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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Vikings fans is a Purple Friday, and that means we're
taking your talkbacks for tickets all day. He's the talkback
feature in the iHeartRadio. Right now and tell us who
you think will be the difference maker for the Bikings
this Sunday for your shot at a pair of tickets
to the showdown with the Commanders. Get the full details
now at KIFN dot com. Keeper Contesting. We're smack dab
in the middle of a slug fest.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
It's a Peer six er, it's a Donnie Rooks, it's.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Any other boxing references I've got.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
We're inside the confines of the fore ring posts. Actually
now we're inside the confines of orda hide man?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Where to hide? Yeah? Well I got you know what?
Where did I hear this?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
More? Maybe it was you said? But and I talk
about it all the time. You know, you play hockey,
you played football. You don't playbox. No, it's boxing, it's different.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Where are we at? We got a good game?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Right?

Speaker 4 (00:54):
We do?

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yes? Common and Nordo lead Mike Grimm and Caleb forty
five to thirty. As always, you can watch program password
right now at KFE dot com. Slash Watch. We have
some new cameras, some like some high definition stuff going on,
and they're mobile now they can move so I don't
have to adjust them anymore. So it looks looks spectacular.
A job do a healthy and the rest of the crew.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
There are four k D N I h X three.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
You know who does with the h X two s right?

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Like the three?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Correct?

Speaker 5 (01:28):
Yes, just made more sense for for our application applications.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Caleb, did you get any advice from your cornerman during
the break here? Or what?

Speaker 4 (01:34):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:34):
What's the what's the keep swinging man?

Speaker 4 (01:38):
There?

Speaker 1 (01:38):
You go? Don't play scared?

Speaker 4 (01:41):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Let's get that iPad over to Common and.

Speaker 6 (01:44):
You don't play program.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
That's right, yeah, Common and Caleb, you two take a
look at the iPad please. The password is brush. All right, Caleb,
you got the other shot at the first swing here
because you're down nine points? What do you want to

(02:06):
do here? You want to go first or second?

Speaker 6 (02:08):
Uh? I go first? All right?

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Caleb and Grimmer for the lead this one for ten
sweep broom Common and Nordo for nine comb brush? Oh
hell all Nordo's correct answers today. He's been like surprised

(02:35):
he got it correct.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, I just I don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
I'm not feeling it today, but I'm feeling you well
if that makes sense, like you're picking me.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
It's working out well.

Speaker 6 (02:44):
All right?

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Fifty four to thirty six. That's an eighteen point lead
for Common and Nordo, Grim and Nordo. Take a look
at that iPad. The password is hook all right, Grim,
eighteen point deficits. So the options on you. What do
you want to do here? You want to go first

(03:06):
or second?

Speaker 6 (03:07):
We'll go first, all.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Right, Grim and Caleb for ten fishing lure Nordo and
Common for nine left right, Grim and Caleb for eight

(03:34):
snag stuck Nordo in Common for seven fish hook. There
we go. Left hook, Yeah, a little boxing.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
It's the best I could do about after night.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Worst hook you've ever received, Caleb. Can you think of
it off the top of your head?

Speaker 6 (04:01):
Uh No, I can't, man, I probably can't remember it
because I.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Got the best hook you through.

Speaker 6 (04:07):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (04:08):
I don't get hit with hooks. I throw the hooks
at the best hook you through. Best left hook I
threw would have had to be a left hook to
the body against the guy in the It was a
It was a kind of a tune up fight. I
think it was before I fought the Gale. I fought
in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and I hit this guy with a
left hook to the body.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
And he like jumped up in the air and throw
on the ground. That was the end of the fight.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
All right, sixty one thirty six Common and Nordo with
the lead. Common and Caleb take a look at the iPad.
The password is metal. All right, Caleb, you're backed up
against the ropes here. You're down twenty five points. You

(04:54):
gotta start to throw some haymakers again. You got the
option you want to go first or second?

Speaker 6 (04:59):
Going for man, I ain't ain't duckan noah ducan o'han.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Caleb and Grim for ten.

Speaker 6 (05:10):
I look at the sing again. I forgot.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
I was gonna say the word, yeah, don't do that.
Oh you got it all right? Caleb and Grim for
ten Heavy Fat, Common and Nordo for nine steal Sturdy,

(05:37):
Caleb and Grim for eight gear Anchor, Common and Nordo
for seven Music Bar, Caleb and Grim for six Aluminum,

(06:07):
Common and Nordo for five Clad. All right, last one medals?
What do we last? One? Caleb and Grim for four
Metal answer so heavy he says heavy I'm wearing then,

(06:33):
when that's why with music.

Speaker 7 (06:36):
Guitar that the best metal?

Speaker 3 (06:40):
You're just naming metals?

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yes, tell me. When you said that, I'm like, okay,
that's hell me. Please get that clip together for social
media so you can play that one later. What are
you doing is name in metals? Maybe that's the answer.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Grimming and Caleb got four on that, so at least
you got some points. It's now sixty one to forty.
Grimmer and Nordo. Take a look at the iPad. Please,
the password is track. All right, Grimmer down twenty one.
You still got the option you want to go first

(07:17):
or second. We'll go first, all right, Grim and Caleb
for ten Nordic Breeze, Nordo and Common for nine race.

(07:39):
Oh I know it.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
I can't believe.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Grim and Caleb for eight Railroad track past second day.
I'm glad it didn't get back to you.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
So I was going to say bussele lope it.

Speaker 6 (08:00):
That was gonna be an exclude.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
All right, two in a row here for Grimmer and Caleb.
They're making an interesting it's sixty wonder we're coming.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Round.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Common and Caleb take a look at the iPad. The
password is pocket, all right. Caleb down thirteen. You can
make this a one possession game. Options on you want
to go first or second? M I'll go first, all right.

(08:34):
Caleb and Grim for ten.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
Hot cold.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Common and Nordo for nine pants. Caleb and and Grim
for eight rocket Common and Nordo for seven.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Front.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
I got absolutely nothing off these clues.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Caleb and Grim for six water Common and Nordo for
five corner pocket pants pocket. All right. We're slowly getting

(09:49):
the finish line here. Grim used Nordic track.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
It's like an exercise machine, and the athlete didn't get it.
And then I couldn't get the fact I couldn't get.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Hot popp.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
Just man, man, man, I still wasn't there.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Sixty six to forty eight Common, Nordo. You are fourteen
points away from a win. Grim and Nordo. Take a
look at the iPad. The password is pasta. All right,
Grim are down eighteen. Options on you. Do you want

(10:25):
to go first or second? We'll go first, all right,
Grim and Caleb for ten spaghetti noodle, Nordo and Common
for nine noodle pasta. All right, here's where we're at.

(10:51):
Common and Nordo, you're at seventy five points, so any
correct answer that is five or more, you are victorious.
Grim and Caleb you're still thirty two points out. You're
at forty eight, so it's seventy five or forty eight.

Speaker 6 (11:03):
Boom boom boom.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Common and Caleb take a look at the iPad. The
password is seat. You're gonna have the option for a while.
You're gonna have the option the rest of the way.
Calebs is in the championship roun the you gonna win
four rounds in a row here, Caleb, Yeah, options, all right,

(11:26):
you're gonna go first, Caleb and Grim for ten.

Speaker 6 (11:31):
Care seat.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
Wow, boom, Okay, you can start.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
That's dope. That's round nine right there, babe.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
That's where you've hit him and he staggers back.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
Yeah, so this is where it kind of fixes the race.
You're interesting in dramatic and otherwise have money on Caleb.

Speaker 6 (11:50):
We're talking about those judges.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, seventy five fifty eight, Common and Nordo with the lead.
Grim and Nordo take a look at the ipen. The
password is land hy Grim. You can make this interesting here,
you get this one. You got the option you want
to go first or second.

Speaker 6 (12:13):
Well, we gotta go first, can't. Can't let them win
it here on the first try.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
All right, that's not the right way to play the game.
But go ahead, Grim and Caleb for ten.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
You don't want to do it?

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Property Texas Nordo and Common for nine and the win
acreage homestead.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Why would I say that?

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Grim and Caleb for eight, House home Nordo in Common
for seven and the win yard Land. I went, that's
a knock. I was in between training where property or

(13:03):
a plane trying to land.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
I was ca a basker this before.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
I think.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, other than winning the World Championship, which was obviously
you fought very well, do you have a fight that
you say was your best fight technically started? Because I
always thought, and I've seen almost all your fights, when
you fought Donnovan George at the at the Convention Center,
I thought you stopped him in the sixth round. It
seemed like nothing went wrong.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
For you with that.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:30):
I was on fire that night. I h we.

Speaker 7 (13:32):
Had an awesome game plan and everything worked, and he
was I think he was like a again, like an
eight to one underdog, and he.

Speaker 6 (13:38):
Was supposed to have a world title fight next. Yeah, yeah,
I was eight.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
To one underdog and and yeah, I knocked him out.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
I thought you fought perfect fight.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
I mean its close to perfect as you can get that.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
And Michael Walker, I think you called the Michael Walker fight.

Speaker 7 (13:50):
That was my first fight, after first or second.

Speaker 6 (13:52):
Fight, after I fought jer Main Taylor.

Speaker 7 (13:54):
I was just brimming with confidence after doing well against
the world champion and I I beat him up pretty bad.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
Was that fuel for you when you were that when
that eight to one dog or forty to one dogs
and that was part of what motivated Yeah.

Speaker 7 (14:09):
Yeah, I'm a crazy person like most like most good fighters,
and uh, well like you.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
And like you said after the Tailor fight, is when
this guy was a world champ at one, yeah, unified,
and so he was a heavy underdog and he went
told and told him, knocked him down and lost the fight.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
But that was when you said I belong here.

Speaker 6 (14:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that was my.

Speaker 7 (14:28):
First fight, first fight on TV, and I had all
my fights were in Minnesota for the most part, and
fighting the guy that I used to play with on
Knockout Kings. But uh, that's gonna be a moment intimidating
at the at the way and I'm like, uh after that,
and then snapped out of in the fight and almost
knocked him out. But yeah, even though I lost, it
gave me a ton of confidence and and uh cool.

Speaker 6 (14:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Now hopefully next time you come back for a program
pass where you'll have a ton of confidence.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (14:55):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Man, you learned from your losses.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
I guess he was stuck with a bad part.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah no, you said so, you said, Hey, Nordal, thanks
for coming in, bringing you to and camp as always.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Thanks appreciate that, which like a short break come back.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
And so I saw another program password Dark Starmer Warlour
next to the Famine.

Speaker 8 (15:21):
If you're a woman and you have four hundred and
twenty eight dollars, go buy yourself a pair of four
hundred and twenty eight dollars jeans and then go down
here to the cowboy restaurant W Teth on a Friday night,
PLoP those suckers up there on the stool, and the
wolves are come howling at.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Your doll mom.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
I'm telling you, the more money you spend on clothes,
the better you look.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Are you going out to tip the light being dangle.

Speaker 9 (15:51):
And have a couple like, if you pitch and play defense,
you put your team in a position to win the
baseball game. I don't know if we should talk about
this longer, because I don't know how long Abbit can
hold his breath.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Honest tears. I am killing.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
He's still an interepreticity.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
The five iron might as well be a pitch for it.
Oh it's a plus. No, no, no, you're not getting
not this easy.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
I don't care stock I'm Dark Star Memorial Hour. Here's
our first.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
We have two today.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
This one says common. Unfortunately I have a Dark Star memorial.
She was my sponsor in the NA program. Her name
is Jesse, and she was forty four and cancer beat her.
Dark O LA have a tough time with her. I'm
crying ready this because I also have two kinds of
cancer and went through so much. Her cancer was very bad,
mind not as bad, and I'm working my way through it.

(16:52):
Hers was a lot more serious, and now she's gone.
I've been listening to you since you started at kfan
Am eleven thirty Rest in peace, Jesse and Dark And
then this one is I was ready to note just
like this a couple of years ago, when we said
goodbye to our first dog, Bell. It was nice to

(17:13):
hear it right on the radio, and I unfortunately look
forward to hearing another one. I unfortunately have to aok
forward another one. Now.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Opie joined my wife and I ten.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Years ago from a local rescue, and he and I
were instantly bonded. He brought so much joy to our family,
and so our family grow and now have two great kids.
He loved to run in the yard and even more
to chase whatever small prey made dare enter his territory.
He did his best to keep bunnies at bay, almost
as well as meat sauce, and did a fair job
on squirrels too. Dark Knight find him sitting with statue

(17:43):
like focus, staring at a fat squirrel up in the
tree somewhere in the Great Beyond. If the dark Man
would give him a tummy rub and an ear scratch,
I'd sure appreciate it, and so would Opie. Our whole
family will miss Opie gone, never forgotten. He was one
hundred percent pure bread. Good boy, Thanks me boy, and
b su Guy, And those are our dark Star memorials.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Do we want to.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Straddle the forty the forty one?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Whatever you want to do.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Let's go ahead, don't just straddle it.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (18:16):
I received a.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Text message during program Password because we.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
How do you say, at tennabe you can watch your
text messages. Abbott did come in here.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, he was bitter. I texted him. I said, hey,
can you set me up on hip cricket again?

Speaker 1 (18:35):
He goes, no.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
What did I say to him at that point? Always?
I said I'm desperate and he goes, well, learn how
to agree. Well, you don't have to come down on me.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
And then he came down here. I don't think he's
happy about it, but he did come down here, so
I appreciate that. I'll figure it out. One of these things.
This one says, so you know how you can watch
program Password on all our social chance we have cameras
and they somebody said, I like how the break times
are posted on the wall first day on the job,

(19:08):
because we have break times posted on the wall.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
And here's my response. They're not for this show.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
We're the only ones who actually listens to it.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
That's why they're posted. Because the other three shows refuse
to follow the break times. They just don't. And you know,
I guess it's sort of like the Wolves just lazy, Yeah,
stupid or bold. No, the Wolves lazy and they're bored
and stuff like that and just but they still win, right,
and they probably make the playoffskin the other shows do

(19:38):
just fine, but they don't break.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
We always break.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
A matter of fact, We're the only show, right, We're
the only show I'm aware of.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Unless the other ones do this.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I don't listen to the radio a lot, certainly not
sixty three thousand minutes a year like one of our
one of our listeners.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Oh that's nothing. We had people posting on social media
one hundred and ten thousands.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Holy but if you like, that's listening all day long.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
If you start to break that down over three hundred
and sixty five days, that's like six hours a day.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
So that's because this person was three hours a day.
We figured, yeah, it was three hours, so you're right,
that double that would be it's crazy. And if they're
not listening on the weekends, they're listening. I love those
people so very much.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Gosh, yes, so you might hear us. I think we're
the only show.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I don't listen to the radio enough where we you know,
all the shows, I think bumping back in auto at
commercial break with music. We bump out of a segment
with music to go into the break, so.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
That keeps you on time.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
It keeps me on time. It's like I got a
break here, so so that's why.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
So yes, we do have those up there.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
It's it's it seems like those guys as far as
clock management, it's their first day on the job, and yeah,
I'm calling them out on it, and it's like.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Start breaking on times. It's not that hard to do.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
But I guess what happens is they think what they
have to say is so imported.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
I just can't stop talking.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
You know.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
People have to hear what I have to say.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Just go to a break and then pick up you
and I are thrilled to have to go to break
and I can get my lunch ready, run out of
the restroom, go bother salespeople who will go raid some
candy dishes.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
It's it's it's what I do. You just passed along
a story to me.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
From the athletic Ken Rosenthal, who's a national baseball writer
very plugged in, does.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
TV the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
He writes all those fans waiting for their teams to
acquire one of the Minnesota Twins stars.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Probably can forget it the Twins.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
The Twins do not anticipate moving center field or Bybrant
Buxton or right handers Joe Ryan and Pablo Lopez. According
to the league sources briefed on their plans, Minnesota's goals
to keep those players, build around them, and compete in
twenty twenty six. They also said they were I need
to sell the team. So I take this with a

(22:04):
grain of salt. But apparently, according to Rosenthal, league sources
have been briefed on their plans. And I don't know
who those league sources are. They other general managers who've inquired,
you know, Hey.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I'm assuming it's coming from the Twins. That could be
from the Twins, but it just.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Says league sources.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
So I'm just I'm just assuming that if he didn't
mention it, and the possibilities could be directly from the Twins,
could be other general managers have called and said, hey,
wondering if you'd like to part ways, and Byron Buckstenter
or Lopez or Ryan and said, no, we're not.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
We're we're keeping them. But you're right, it probably came
from the Twins, but we don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
It's not impossible to compete in twenty twenty six, I
guess even after the fire sale. Those are three pretty
good cornerstones. I mean, if Buxton, you know, there's a
lot of ifs. If Buxton can stay healthy again like
he did last year and play like he did last year,
that's a nice piece to have in center field.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Those two at the top of your rotation.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
If Lopez can get healthy, because didn't he spend a
couple of stints. Didn't they shut him down at the
end of the year. I know we missed some time
during year and then I thought they shut him down again,
But he definitely had an injury issue, and I think
he'd been relatively healthy with us.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
I don't remember him in his years here or ever.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Having be shut down.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
But when he is on, and he's usually is, He's
a quality pitcher, there is no question. And so is
Joe Ryan.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
So those are three nice pieces, foundational pieces.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
We have a handful of other guys that have shown
promise but no consistency.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
We're talking about the.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Brooks Lee kid, the Royce Lewis, and there's one or
two others I think tenaby that I can't recall their
names right now. That have shown flashes, but never have
done it game after game, week after week, month or
even year after year. I know we're alleged loaded with prospects,
but you know how those are prospects.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
It takes a while.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
I mean, are are they going to bring those prospects
up and they're gonna be able to play at a
at a really high level in twenty twenty six? That's
this upcoming year, folks. When they say compete twenty twenty six,
that's next year. I find that hard to believe. Stranger
things have happened. Look, we all remember ninety one Worse
to first in nineteen ninety they were the worst team

(24:24):
in Major League Baseball, or at least in the American League.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
I don't reorca off as all of baseball.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
They had a terrible record, and then they went on
and won the World Serious, so things can't happen. But
they had a pretty strong nucleus in ninety one, as
you remember. We all know the names Led my guy
with Puckett and Herbic and many others.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Right, So.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
I don't know what to think.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
I feel regardless of what they do, like it's a
hopeless situation. Yeah, yeah, Like from a pr standpoint, this
is the right move for them because I think they
know as much as you want to save money like that,
that money ain't coming back in. If you get rid
of those stars and the fan base is then they
might turn on you forever. Right And now if you
keep them, well, you're still not going to go out

(25:08):
and spend money to supplement the roster.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
Right.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Those guys are good quality players, but it's not enough
to get you to the playoffs win a couple of rounds.
You still need others to join them. And they're not
going to go out and spend to go get those guys.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
So I don't think they are. Yeah, it'd be shocking
if they did. I mean, because they've just not done that.
I mean they've spent money before, never you know, you know,
top of the heat money, but they've they their payrolls
pushed a little bit. But yeah, it's it's on track
right now. I think if the season started today, they're
probably under one hundred million.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, they're at ninety five right now.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
You're right about the fan base would be even more discouraged,
more bitter, angry.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
But if you have a master plan, I'm not even
saying it's gonna work.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
But if you had a master plan where we'll get
more prospects for these because we're we're being realistic.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
It ain't happened in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
We need to get some prospects, build it up, and
hopefully be ready twenty seven to twenty eight, twenty nine.
If you really felt that way, sometimes you just got
to say, I know we're going to get You got
to do what you feel deep down is right for
the franchise long term.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Even in the short term you get a lot of pushback,
in a lot of anger.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
I do wonder how much maybe Byron Bucksen had plays
in this right, because this is kind of a little
bit of a heel turn here, because it went from
Byron bucks this summer's like I want to be here forever,
blah blah blah, blah blah, and then it went to reportedly,
if they sell more big pieces, he's gone, right, and
then last week it was Byron bucks is willing to

(26:43):
move a wave as no trade clause, which to me
means they were shopping one or the other two. And
I do wonder if the twins go if we sell
one of these two, we're now getting rid of all
of them, and we just pr wise, you can't take
the hit of getting rid of all three because if
the other two are gone, or one of them's gone,
then Buckston wants to go, and you can't lose all
of them. Well, the only so I wonder if to

(27:05):
get player pressure right, Well, part of the point I was.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Trying to make though a little bit of pushback, and
then I think your theory spot on.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
But what I was also saying, if as a franchise, you.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Think getting rid of all three to a crew really
high end what's considered high end young talent, you know, prospects,
then if you believe that's really the way to go,
you can't worry about what the fan base says.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
You have to do it.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
But that's easier said than done, too, because of tickets toms.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
The fan base can see through it that they're not
doing that for winning purposes. They're doing it to cut salary, right, and.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
That's because of what they've done to themselves.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Even if that wasn't fair, even if they were saying,
you know, we've decided to keep the team and we're
going to build the thing up so we're ready.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
In twenty seven to twenty eight, twenty nine. But you're right.
The fan base wouldn't believe it.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
They're going, No, you're not.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
You're just doing it to save money, because that's what
you've done, because you're you tell those yeah, and that's what.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
You've always done.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
So even if you even if you were planning to
try to go to strip it to the brass tacks
or whatever and the studs and then build a backup,
most people wouldn't believe it that they know you're just
doing that, not because you have some grand master plan.
You're just doing it to save money and hope people
still show up. So, but that's the word from Ken Rowsenthal.
He's pretty plugged, and he says league source like you say,

(28:22):
could be coming from the Twins directly, but.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
It's it's going to be difficult for that franch.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I mean, I'll do what I always do every twin
season tend to be it starts in March, right late March,
usually that first week in March or whatever. Then we
you know, you run through not a lot to weather's
just starting to change here, A lot of afternoon games.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
I get off the grumm at three, go home, I
turn it out.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
I watch a little bit and watched baseball in a while,
and you watch the first few games of the season
or a few innings of it.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
So I'll do that.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
But then more than likely the team will struggle in
the standings at the ballpark, and then I'll be out,
and so a lot of other people.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
And then do we still know how you watch them?

Speaker 6 (29:04):
I still do.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
I just know that I have direct TV, and so
I get it there. I don't know, but I know
that other people have trouble finding the team on TV.
So yeah, with that familiar Yeah, and that's I don't
know what they pay the month for that, but.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah. So well, maybe cooler heads prevailed because I think
and maybe maybe it's fan pushback that's making me could
very well be. I just think the PR hit would
have been traumatic, Yeah, and they wouldn't have been able
to recover. I mean, your attendance would have gone as

(29:41):
bad as it was last year, would have gotten even worse.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Would it really even make a difference at this point,
I think with a lot of fans it doesn't even
make a difference. I think they're so worn out and
beat up, but that they're just like, well, I know
there is I don't know how many of that is.
I don't know what percentage of the fan basers, but
I know from the text messages I get and reading
some of the message boards, there are some fans that
are so far gone it wouldn't matter what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Sure, they're just done. But yeah, but I also think
there's a good chunk of the fan base that's always
been pro Twins, pro pole as. I think they're starting
to turn in which they hadn't turned for a long time.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
I think you're right. I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
But if they would have traded them all because they
felt that was the right thing to do to compete
several years down the road, then you have to do that.
Apparently they don't feel that way, because if it sounds
like they're not going to trade them.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I don't know how you build around three guys.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
It's really difficult to You look at some of the
other teams in the league, and I know, I look,
I get it.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
There's there's.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
There's no salary cap and no floor and I understand that,
and so and you know, until I'm I'm not even
just blue in the face, I've I've stopped breathing when
it comes to talking about that Paula's have enough wealth,
blah blah blah, and I know this debt and all that,
but they got the money if they really wanted, if
they want to do investing ball players, they can, but
they don't want to do it. A lot of other

(31:12):
teams don't either. A lot of other teams won't dig
into their own pockets. So it is harder to part
to h to compete against the larger market teams.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
But you can do it.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
And as we have always said all along, and it's
over the In all the times I've watched the Twins
since I was a little kid until now, there have
been certain seasons or two or three seasons.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
One you go, this team's pretty good. They got a
nice lot of it.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Like we've always said, we'll go out and fortified the
line up with there's one or two guys, go with
the trade deadline or going into the season, go bye, gosh,
we're gonna get We're gonna re sign Sonny Gray for
crying out lone. We're gonna go with three big pit
time pitchers. But they've never done that, and I think
that's what annoys teams fans more than.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Anything, because the ones. They'd even agree that.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Were media market team.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
All they want to see is you every once in
a while when it does look like the team is
really close and can go toe to toe, maybe another
piece or two.

Speaker 6 (32:09):
You've got the.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Money, you can do it, and they've just never won. Well,
that's why they got turned on, because they they finally
won a playoff series and then cut payrolext.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
That's exactly where it happened. That's where it really got bad.
And for those of us that have known, they've been
doing that for years, it's out in the open. Now,
it's out in the open.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
It's just you know, the cake.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Well, I'll take our final break. A one more segment
to go before we turnover to Big Ticket.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
JG here on the.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
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Speaker 1 (32:47):
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Speaker 2 (33:01):
I think I know the answer to this question already
tend me, but I'm gonna ask you anyways, do you
watch the Big Ten Championship? Number One Ohio, the number
one the against number two Indiana tomorrow night.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Well, I yes, no, we got the two hockey tournaments
going on this weekend, said a little, a little busy if.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
You had it all the time, if you had no
hockey tournament, you were at home with the roaring fire,
would you watch it?

Speaker 1 (33:26):
If there were other things on right?

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Like?

Speaker 1 (33:29):
I think probably the Wild play that night. I'd rather
watch the Wild but sure, but you really wouldn't. I'm
not like it's not It's not DVR television for me.
I gotta record it so I can watch it later.
It's must see TV. It's not appointment TV for me.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
It's must sy for me.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
I'm not a big college football guy in general.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
I never was either intil my boys both went to
college in both our football fans. So I've watched a
lot of Nebraska foot I watched almost every Nebraska game
in the past four years.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
I know Sad really.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Watched almost all of the football games for the The
other added part to this is I just like the
Indiana story.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Sure, I mean that.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
That's been a basketball school forever. I don't ever remember
I remember nineteen. I'm told I don't remember it. I
just know that in nineteen sixty seven, I think Indiana
went to the Rose Bowl because they shared the Big
Ten title with the Minnesota Golden Golvers, and the Govers
were the most recent team to play in the Rose
Bowl from between the two of them, and so then

(34:39):
Indiana got to go. So they've not been any good.
The signetty guy googled me that whole thing. I think
it's interesting and I am curious to see how good
Indiana is. There have been some that says, well, you know,
they haven't really played anybody, but you know, really, who
is Ohio State played? You know, I mean they played
other good teams in the Big Ten. I guess Ohio
State started. These started out with Tech just to start

(35:00):
the season.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
But I'm saying, and they're saying about Indiana, who have
they played? Yeah, and they win an Oregon? Yeah that
was Yeah, they did win an Oregon. That's a big
win there. But I still think people, you know, you
look at the Big Ten, there's four or five good, good,
good teams. I mean USC is ranked, but you look
at the Oregon. Penn State certainly wasn't the team that

(35:20):
they were supposed to be. So I will certainly.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Tune in for that game Vikings on Sunday. I know
you'll be wrapped attention there. You work every game covered.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
I like to be taking that game off, but oh
you are.

Speaker 6 (35:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Last weekends I've had. Yeah, we had two hockey tournaments
last week and two hockey tourmans this weekend.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
So Zach, Zach, I will be filling in form.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Why don't you start scheduling hockey tournaments in early September
right until the end of December.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
I'd like, I'd like that.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Why don't you start doing that?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
For me, it's it's beyond wins and losses, because once
you're out of the playoff picture, what's the difference, right, I.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Mean, it's better to win than lose. It'd be nice
to see one for me.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
I think, like, and I think I don't know if
you'd agree with this if you feel the same way
for me, it's most a like to see a little
bit of progress from the quarterback. Well that's for me,
that's it more, that's that's that's the cure. Yeah, that's
the curiosity I think, Jeff j Justiniferson more than four yards, right,
that's the curiosity factor that brings me to the game.

(36:26):
It's like, is this kid, and especially now we know
they're going to simplify it. They basically told him we
were wrong about trying to drill all these mechanics into
your head. Why don't you just go out and play?
And I'm curious to see if that will make a difference.
I'm not so sure it will, because if you'll remember,

(36:46):
the kid came out.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
With the I'm nine.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
You know, he basically like you, is Spider Man, you know,
he just he has it, he has an alter ego.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Then it was it's close, the quirk's about to pop
off bottle, and then that didn't either.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
So he talks a good game. He's got confidence.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Apparently sounds like he's got plenty of it, at least
outwardly publicly he does.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
I don't know how he feels deep down inside.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
But here's another here's another time where I'm saying, well, no, now,
this time, this is what it's been doing. I've been overthinking.
This has been the problem. I'm an overthinker. I hope
he's right. I'd love to see him just just spin
it and throw it all around the grid iron, have
a good game.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
But I'm not so sure. I'm curious to see what
the play calling will look like, right because I think
the play calling shows how much confidence the coach has
in the quarterback. Because back when Max Brozmer started against Seattle,
screen passesn't him. They had the training wheels on him,
like we're gonna run the ball in first down, we're
gonna run the ball in second down, and then we're
gonna throw a little wide receiver screen pass, easy pass
to complete, and they were trying to piece their way

(37:51):
to move in the change.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Here's my guesses they won't do that with McCarthy though.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
I think they because they I think also not that
he's about to leave the team or demand a trade,
but McCarthy's.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Probably you talk about you know, we talked about the Finch,
talk about the Wolves.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
They seem like they're bored. I think he's probably get
to the point where he's getting bored.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
He's running pass panners, not catching anything he has and
had nearly the targets or the receptions or the productivity
he's used to. So I think you have to take
that into consideration a little bit too. It's like when
we got to get these wide outs, and well, let's
start let's get and as we know, that's the kind
of offense the coach likes. He loves throwing the ball
vertically down the field, and that's what you want this

(38:31):
kid to eventually do. And so if you're telling him
to just go out and play football, don't worry about
the mechanics, just go and have fun.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
I think you do do that.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
I would hope it's not a bland I mean, I
don't think he has to very first play the game throw,
you know, try try to throw a you know, forty
yard passed down field.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
But I hope they don't just screen pass.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
And let him throw.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Let them play and have something ultimately at the end
of your memory. We got to push back from listeners
of when we're having the discussion of Carson Wentz versus
JJ McCarthy, and they said, you got to play JJ,
because you got to know what you got right right?
Well you you and I were like, well, you're still
in a position to win games and get to the playoffs.
You got to play what gives you the best chance
to win now it is you got to know what
you got. You we got to see what we got,

(39:13):
and you have five weeks. JJ McCarthy's playing for his
job next year. I know Rosen said, Oh, you'd be
fine with JJ McCarthy starting to see the next year
if he keeps playing the next five weeks like he
did previously, they're going and getting somebody out well, for sure. Absolutely,
So So to your point, you kind of got to
see him in Koc's offensive to know what you got.
If you're trying to dumb it down for him, are
you really going to see what you got?

Speaker 2 (39:33):
And I think I don't know, and maybe I'm wrong
on this, but I think one aspect that a lot
of people don't consider his ownership.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
What do the wils think about all this?

Speaker 2 (39:47):
They spent a lot of money, They love the club,
their fans first, they've said, so. I think somebody sent
me an email that said the Vikings have as many
playoff wins in the past fifteen years as the New
York Jets.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
So just it had like two back to back years
the championship camp. So there's not.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
And so when you've been to own the team, I
think that Wilson owned it for print their twenty years,
you know, something like twenty years, and your organization cut,
you know, your front office and your coaching staffs. This
is what we're gonna do. We're gonna let Sam Darnold go.
And you know, I don't know what the Wilson thing.
They might have went, well, he was pretty good. Why
are we getting rid of him? Because we need money

(40:33):
for the interior, the offensive defensive line, and we think
we can McCarthy's answer, We're gonna coach him.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
U We're gonna be ready to go.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
And they go, okay, story franchise, National Football League.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
And then they see what happened this year. You know,
they can't be happy.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
But how much they have influence on what they want
the team to do and push the team in certain directions,
I don't know, But they can't be real pleased with
what happened here coming off of last year season. And
then you go a different way with the quarterback that
played really well and blah blah blah. But yeah, I
hope he wings it around and play as well.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Make it more fun for all of us.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Thanks for having me, tennemy, Yeah you as well. It
was really a lot of fun today too. We we laugh,
we cry, best of times, worst of times.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
That whole thing we're bout Monday at twelve noon. Don't
know what the montage will have for us, but we'll
find out.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Uh, maybe it'll be living on a prayer.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah, I think maybe it will.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Enjoy your weekend. Thanks for listening, stick around, big take
of JG. They're up next right here on the fan.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Got good night folks, Good night missus Calabash.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
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