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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, I would just say, dim the lights, draw the curtain,
fade to black, little bit, and that's that's that's how
that's all she wrote.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Even even that's all, folks.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Wow, before the program is over, we're hoping to get
to the bottom of what went wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
The wild seemed to.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Be for every for every for every step they take.
Now you don't take a step in hockey before, before
every before you put one skate in front of you,
they take two steps back. The Wolves begin their season
here on Wednesday. The Alcus is down to one final game,
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and of course NFL wacky and wild as always, with
all those topics to get to, I'm not sure where
to begin today, So let's.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Spin the wheel of topic commons golf games. Oh that's
a bright spot. What did you shoot to shot an
eighty one? Where did we play a trail? Where'd you
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hit it on one? Right off the gun? How far
from the game? I had one oh four to the pin.
I hit it a little long, the wind was at
my back.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I should have hit a I should have hit the
forty five degree instead of the pitching one. Then what
a three buttons? But it's all good, Yeah, it's all good.
I on my two days off. It was just awful.
I played as bad and you know.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
It's it's it's.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I mean. I on my final round at Mystic Lake
Friday afternoon, at the medals of a Misstic Lake, I
had more shanks than I had combined, more shanks. So
then I I took a long, hard look at myself.
I went to the range Saturday morning, got up early,
got up, got out of bed right, a comb across
my head, and I.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I'm now incorporating. I think I told you tend Toby.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I have this where I've always been a guy that
as I'm getting ready, as I addressed the ball and
I'm making my move away from the ball with the
club pulling the club away.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'm a swearer and I've worked on.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Just making the turn my upper Torso I decided to
bring that into all of my clubs, not just the driver,
and within twenty minutes I had it figured out. Today
it ain'ty one's nothing to write home about. That was
with a double in a triple though. So again I
played four holes or sixteen holes and forever hit the
ball really, really well. So I think it might be
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it's a new beginning for me. It's only the beginning.
Matter fact, we would have probably been better off playing
only the beginning and gone over my round shot by shot.
But that's the synopsis of and you asked, not me.
That's what the Wheeler topic land on that. So what
am I supposed to do? That's that's where it ended up.
I still think one should get a better chance to
win with Once than we do with McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Wow, that was a game that was right there, tenn
to be. It was there for the taking.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
There might be moral victories in in in in house basketball,
right third grade.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, there are no moral.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Victories in the National Football League. But I thought we
were going to pull the fat out of the fire.
I thought we were going to win that football game.
And red zone issues tend to be a big plays
and turnovers. We turned the ball over a couple of times,
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won for a tuddy the other way, and well they
had some big plays on the other side of the ball.
I mean, we had not given up, if I had
my numbers right.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You know, when you read.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Recaps of the game, there's so much information it's hard
for me to even keep track. But I think I
saw that we'd only given up, Like we being the Vikings.
Pretty soon it's gonna be they. It keeps up like that,
I'll abandon shift. I but as the as Dido sing
saying song, it's white flag. You and I have not
given up yet. We're not going to raise our arms
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and surrender. There will be no white flag above our door.
I think we'd given up only three passes of twenty
air yards or more all season long, and.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
We gave up.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I mean, their quarterback Jalen Hurts, did he have a
perfect cube Q be ready?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yesterday wasn't a perfect It wasn't like one fifty three
point eight. It's just like, how do you do that?
I thought we were being situation. I thought we were bflow.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I thought we were aggressive without being reckless, and we
couldn't let.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Him go anywhere. Yeah, and I'm not blaming him.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I'm just saying I just go back to all the
things that the people tell me that you know, it's
all B flow, And when he's in charge, it doesn't
matter who the players are. And when we have O'Connell
as the head coach, does matter who our quarterback is,
And it does matter, it really does. It's it's the
players that play in the coaches that coach and as
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a matter of fact, I think the Fisher ref factory
west Side on it was either Saturday or Sunday. They
did a big uh spread on uh uh.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Zay roj.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And he got burned a couple of times, big time,
especially that last That last one was that was the killer.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
That was the that was the one that I sted
for him.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And we we stopped the running game, you know we
we bark Barkley has not had a good year compared
to last year. Last year he ran ran for over
two thousand yard. We held him to forty eight.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
But the red zone failures were bad.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
There was wentz through the interception for the Tuddy that
that that that went the other way. That was a
bad throw, the Hawkinson catch, and I know Hawkinson complained
about it, and I guess on the letter.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Of the law, Tennaby, I don't know what you thought.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I I think it isn't incompletion though I've never understood
that rule. I to me, I've always said that you
and I have talked about this. If to me, if
the ball touches the ground, it all should be incomplete.
But that's not the rule. But it did look like
one he it touched, he rolled back over and bobbled
it a bit, and I guess I mean, Hankinson contends,
and he says the referees on the field insisted it
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was a catch, but it's because they're going by what
they saw with the naked.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Eye with a certain camera angle, and so that was bad.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And then that one when uh.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
The center snapped it over went sh We just we
were one for was it one for five or one
for six in the redst We had to Yeah, we
had to settle for figures and just wasn't enough, and
a game that was right there to be had slips away,
and we went from an opportunity to be right near
the top of the NFC North, we're at rock bottom ring.
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We're sitting at the bottom. Despite the fact that we are.
We three and three, three three and three, a five
hundred record still isn't too terribly bad. But we'll try
to get to the to the bottom and tell you
what wins wrong and so many other topics as we'll
peek at the purple other side of the break Head
coach will not address the media today. Generally, he does
his day after the game. Newscomers on a Monday. I
think he's going to do it out of tool for
short week. It's a short week, that's I guess that's
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why he's doing it on tomorrow instead. That'll be at
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Yeah, there were. There were so many key plays. Maybe
you have a couple in mind two that stand out
well for the the The pick six was bad, but
I don't even know if that was the most egregious
mistake by Wentz, the one that that.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I thought was. I still don't understand what he was thinking.
And this would be Wentz.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
It's third quarter, second and eight from the Philadelphia nine,
and Wentz throws in complete and he's called for intentional grounding.
I don't know where he was. I mean, it was
so obvious he was gonna you just take the sack there.
But I don't know how he doesn't see C. J.
Hamm wide open out in the flat. Well.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Not only that, as Pete mentioned on the broadcast Pete
versus the Interior Decorator, when you get towards the end z,
they will never call intentionally grounding if you throw it
out the back of the end zone right exactly. So
like all you have to do is, once you realize
you don't know what you're gonna do here, you don't
have to just chuck to the ground. You just throw
it out the back of the end zone and we
don't lose any yardage.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
So he's got Hamm wide open on the left side
and he just pushes it forward.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And then of course now.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
We it's now you lose down distance and yardage.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
It and a play.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
It was just it was just a killer because on
the very next play, now it's third and eighteen from
the Philadelphia nineteen, we complete a short pass to Hawkinson,
but he can't break a tackle.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
There's no yard after a catch.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I will contend the Hawkinson trade with Detroit was the
second worst trade this franchise has ever made.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
The worst was, well, what they gave up for him.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
They gave up a second and a third round pick
number fifty five and seventy three, and he's good, but
he's and then the Lions went and drafted Laporta, who
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Porta is a significant upgrade over Hawkinson.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I would say the herschel Walker trade was the worst.
I can't think of a worse trade. Then then then
then than the Hawk, would you?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, how about Randy Moss or the Raiders? Yeah, I
guess that would be number.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Especially when we turned that seven over our picking to
Troy Williamson.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Okay, you're right, maybe that was the worst, second worst,
But I I that that that I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
He had a couple just mind meltdowns. Right, how about
the the wonder way through the backward pass towards the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, that turned into like a seven eight hour loss.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Even his second interception, throwing the ball thirty forty yards down,
you know, across the body a little bit while you're
on the run.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Right, Despite all of that, someone said, pretty sure Hawk
was traded for a fourth and a fifth round pick.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
No, he wasn't. He was traded for a second and
a third. There's definitely a second, and then there may
have been like a pick swappers and was the second
and the third? And I am the.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I'm the host of I worked for the worst all
sports radio stations in the country. I think I wouldn't
remember the trade second and the third one.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well, the Viking sent a second round pick and a
third round pick to Detroit. We got Hawkinson a fourth
throne pick and a conditional pick in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Pick number fifty fifty five and seventy three Detroit Cup
for Hawkinson. Think what you could get at fifty five
and seventy three. And again, I like Hawkinson and he's
a good player.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
But man, anyway, well crazy's history drafting. I think I
read the TA Well, yeah, yeah, you're probably.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Right despite all you know. And Wentz made some plays too,
I mean, he's I know.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You know. I got a lot of pushback.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Last week when I suggested even if McCarthy's ready to play,
I keep going with with with Wentz until Wentz completely
melts down to the Vikings. As long as Wentz continues
to play relatively well in the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Win football games, I would keep playing Wentz.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
There were much of the pushback I got, we're from
fans were already giving up on the season, and maybe
you give up on it now at three and three,
sitting in the last place in the NFC North.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I would not give up yet.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
It's not like we have been completely outclassed in We're
not the New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Okay, that game was there to be had yesterday.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
But despite all, Wentz made some really good plays too.
But really where I think the biggest play of the game,
and they usually are the ones that you know, even
though a play in the first quarter and a play
in the fourth quarner can have as much effect on
a game. It's third and nine for Philadelphia. They're on
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their own forty four. This is late in the fourth quarter,
right buck thirty five to go in the game. We
get a stop, we're down six, we can get the
ball back. We got one and I don't remember what
wasn't it our guy Rogers?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And who who made the the Aj Brown?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Was it Aj Brown who made the catch? Forty five
yard completion? How does that happen at that stage? Right there?
And again, as we talked about I mentioned earlier, I
think it was Saturday or Sunday. There was a big
spread on how much how good Rogers has been and
what a great acquisition he was, wasn't He's a good
player and thinks, you know, guys get burned.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
They was burned a couple of times in that game.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
That was twice and that was the second one, and
that he bit on an inside move and he was
wide and that was game.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
You know, you could if you come up with a
stop there.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
That's not to suggest that we win the game for sure,
but that we still had an opportunity with the minute
forty five minute thirty five to go in the game.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
It was almost like the Eagles had the scouting report
on him. Yeah, yeah, maybe they'd they'd seen him. They'd
they'd seen him, and and and and that was that
was that.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So yeah, I mean there were there were plays and
turnovers in the inability to do anything in in the
red zone, and I and I realized, I mean again,
it seemed like the Eagles were we were right for
the taking, right because they had lost two games in
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a row.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Hurts had not played well in those two games.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
If I if if if if if I'm if I'm correct,
I don't think he was. I mean, Philadelph wasn't very
good at all. Obviously they lost two games in a row.
But Hurts was really good yesterday. I and you know,
even when we did apply pressure, he was able to
find a way to to make it a place to
get a perfect quarterback, right. I mean, I just I
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expect more from the defense. I guess you know, I
don't know it was. It's a disappointing loss, for sure. McCarthy.
Everybody he insists on a short week he won't start
this week. I don't know how people feel about that. Again,
I know Wenz had his problems and he would look
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at he was a large part of the reason that
they lost.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
But I think there were the defense just they gave
up too many big plays. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I it's disappointing, to say the least. Let's let's pause.
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Speaker 2 (17:15):
A couple thirteen fourteen past Common Man.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Program doing a little reminiscing in regards to the Vikings
loss yesterday to.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Was at the final we lose to the Philadelphia Eagles
at defending Big Game World Champions, fourth quarter, six thirty
five remaining right, Mike is put together a pretty good drive.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
They started their own twenty eight and I'm looking at.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
The the play by play provided by soon to be
Big Game World Champion Minnesota Vikings Media Department. Wentz completes
to Addison for seven yards. He completes another pass to
Addison for fourteen in the first down, incomplete to Jefferson,
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incomplete to Feeland, and then Wentz scrambles for a first
down ten.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
He did a couple of those. He found an opening.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
He scrambles up the middle to the Philadelphia thirty five
for sixteen yards, then a couple of incompletions to Jefferson
and Hawkinson. Then he scrambles left tackle to Philadelphia twenty
three for twelve yards. We runs for back to back
first downs, incomplete deep right to Jefferson, short pass to
Addison to the Philadelphia fifteen for eight. Then it's the
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completion to Hockinson for a tutty replay official they call
it back. Then the Vikings there's two fifty eight to
go Tennebee fourth and two Philadelphia fifteen. Wentz completes to
Addison to the Philadelphia ten five yards.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
They get a.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
First down, but then once again they fail in the
red zone. They Wentz is sacked, loses eight yards, short
completion to Hockinson to the Philadelphia eleven for seven, and
then incomplete to Naylor, and then the Vikings have to
kick the field going for the two minute warning. And
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you know, hindsight's always twenty twenty. But you wonder if
once it all went wrong, should they have kicked the
They needed another score and they needed to score twice.
They were down nine, they had all three timeouts and
the two minute warning. Should they have kicked the figure
After the Hockinson play was called back and then tried
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to stop Philadelphia. It's easy to second gas. At the time,
I didn't mind them. You might not get any closer
for the touchdown, right, so you go four it on
fourth down, you get the first down. So that was
all good, but then you can't capitalize on it. They
were just so they were just so miserable in them
in the red zone.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It was just awful, right, Yeah, So it is easy
to look back afterwards, but even at the time, I
was like, it's just kick the field goal here, get
the one possession.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I think what happened after that was.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Kind of worst case scenario, and that not only did
you not score then half, you didn't score a touchdown.
After that point, you wasted a minute off the clock.
If they would have taken the field goal at that time,
I think they still had two fifty, which gives yourself
a chance that a Philadelphia gets a first down, you
still have a chance from a timeouts and two point
conversion and time standpoint to still you really reduce your
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you eliminate your margin for air on the second part
of that. After you waste that minute off the clock
and you get on the wrong side of the two
min a warning.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
So do you think See, I'm always you needed a
touddy and a field goal. And so if you're that
close and you decide to go for it, they did
pick up the first down.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, so that's why I can't really. I know there
are other people.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
That think that that was a bad decision. They want
to throw the blame on O'Connell, and look, I know
O'Connell apologist, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I want to get it as soon as I can.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
But like you say, the worst case happened where they
burned off a whole minute off the clock and they
and then they.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Once you decide to go for it and you have
a fresh four new set of downs, you just got
to be good.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You have to throw the ball the end zone.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, you can't be dinking and duncan and taking time
off the clock.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yes, that's exactly right, and so.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
It you know, but to your point that you know
a lot of the discussion has been on the Hawkinson
end of the catch. You gotta make that throw. I
mean he is wide opening the end zone. It's not
a precise dime you need to throw. You got to
make the throw. You missed the throw and I don't
know what Hawkinson is watching. Even a lot of people
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just reaction on social media. I'm like, are you guys
watching the same rep I am, because it was pretty
clear he caught it originally hits the ground after he
rolls over. You can see that ball bobbles around. He
didn't have possession of it. So to me, that was
an easy overturn and I'm surprised others don't see it
that way.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, I well, I think part of that is they're
viewing it with purple colored glasses. That's what it is.
It's it's look to me, I said this in the
opening segment. I think if at any time, if any
part of the ball touches the ground, didn't that used.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
To be incomplete or has that always been?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I always thought if the ball touched the ground, and
even if it just nicked it, to me, that's incomplete.
But because it's not, because if you cradle you get it.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Because so by the letter of the law, well, I
don't know how you would define like you would never
be able to make a diving catch. Ever, then in
the history of the NFL, because it's going to touch
the ball, the ground's gonna touch the ball. The ball's
gonna touch the ground at some point on your way down.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Well, no way not if you get your hands under it.
You could still make a diving catch without the ball
touching the ground, can't you.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I have no problem with like I know.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I mean, we've gone through a lot with this type
of play over the last fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I think your guy Megatron had one and again.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
He caught it and he used it like to brace
himself in the in the end zone is what he did.
He caught it and as he was coming down, he
put it on the ground. I just think of any
if the ball touches the ground anytimes, you're being complete
pass and you eliminate any controversts. But because the rule
is the way it is, see, and that's where even
though he juggled it, see, I think the rule should
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have been that should have been a catch.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
But by the rule it's not.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Because of exactly what you said, he did not retain possession.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
But he even though it touched the.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Ground and then he bobbled it when he came to rest,
he still had the football.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
In his hands. To me, that's a catch.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I've never liked the rule of what what's determined to
catch or what's not? I think the NFL has it
all wrong, and I guess I must be in the
vast minority because I just think it's I think that
should I think it if it touches the ground should
be incomplete. But because if it touches the ground and
you retain possession, and he had when he finally he
bobbled it, but when he came to rest, he had.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
It, did he not?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
How would you define then the way you like it?
If you have your ball under the hand right when
you're you're diving for catch, and your ball's under it,
but even like the nose of the football is hanging
outside of your hand and that part touches the ground.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, incomplete this way, it's it's it's it's it's at
that post.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
To me, if you've caught the ball and the ball
isn't moving around after you hit the ground, it.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Should be a catch. Okay, Yeah, I guess, I guess.
I guess you're right. I guess, and I get it.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Like there's a lot of gray area with this rule,
which is what all the consternation comes from. But to me,
on this one, I think it was pretty clear. After
he hit the ground, that ball bobbled around, and he
didn't have full possession of at that point. So after
it touches the ground and then you don't have possession
of it, before you regain possession, that's where it gets open.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, I guess, I guess that that that is the
way it's described.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
And but if you hit the if you catch it,
ball hits the ground and it never moves from your
hands or even it stays in your possion whole time,
that should be a.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Catch to me.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But that was not the case in yesterday's it was not.
You're absolutely I think they got the right call. I
think I think they they got it right.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
And so yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I I don't know how many times Once was sacked.
But the line is still a little leaky, right, I
don't know. We had an eel back Darris Saws there?
Did Jackson play? I don't even recall. Yeah, he played,
he played, I don't know. It was the center that
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got the most issues, the one.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
That we'd heard. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, No.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I think the penalty against him was a bad call.
That it was not a holding call.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
That was a terrible call.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Ye see that bad snap now they got Lucky Riker
to save his bacon. On that one, he had to
kick a fifty nine yard field goal all of a sudden,
but he had he had a sack that killed the drive.
He had that long the bad snap that killed the drive.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Does Dallas Turner does he affect a game in any way,
shape or form other than negatively?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Did he do anyth you're.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Talking about bad trades earlier right now, the amount of
draft picks they traded to go up and get him,
that don't look good.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
No, And uh, he's a non factor. Yeah, he's been
a non factor for sure, a non factor.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And I don't know, I you know, it's you know,
I'm I'm getting I'm getting a text messages again on
the branch on Bryant came and text on people saying
it's over. Season's over, and it's like, well, have you
been watching the league?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
They're really full.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
It's it's it's actually someone. I mean, we're going to
do the NFL round up later.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I watched Denver put up thirty three. I watched that game.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
We had both TV's going deuce and I had both
TV's going so I had the Packer Cardinal game on
and then I was going on CBS. They had Chargers Colts.
We didn't need Danny Dimes. That guy can play football, man,
he's really good. He's who would have thought, Yeah, we
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should have offered him the contract.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I guess that's what we should have done.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Anyways, all the quarterbacks we've passed on and this offseason
involved done well. Yeah Danny Dimes Now technically technically he
I think turned down us.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Well that's because I think he knew he was not
going to be the starting quarterback. That I was like, no,
we're going with our handpick. Guy McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Donald's been good and we'll see him again tonight. Yeah,
and Aaron Rodgers has been good.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
But that that that Broncos Giants game, I don't suppose
you saw any of it. It was crazy. It's just
it was absolutely insane. I couldn't live I mean, that
was some National footballer you gray was like the most
points in the fourth quarter by any team in NFL
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history that had no points going into the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
They scored thirty three points in the quarter. Uh, most
of it in the last five and a half minutes. Yeah,
there was six and a half minutes to go.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I think when they started the come back, the dark
guy made the one bad throw. He threw the interception
that was that was critic Had he not done that,
who knows what happens. Of course, at the place kicker
for the Giants doesn't miss two extra points, that's that
that that game could have been totally different as well.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
But that was insane.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
So you look at the way the only team that
seems like it's writing there I do. It goes back
that it's just hard to beat Kansas City. It seems
like they're coming on. Yeah, I think they're coming on.
But I don't look at anybody in the in the NFC.
I mean, Rams are pretty good, but I don't think
Lions might be the best team. I don't know Tampa.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Tonight will be. Yeah, I a top ten. Yeah. I
think the.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Problem with again, if you're a Lions fan and I am,
and your secondary is beat up again, just like go
what you know their defense was was was decimated last year.
Their secondary is is in in in shambles now. And
then the branch clown gets the pass so he's out
on a suspension on an injury.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
He suspends.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
They need him, he's he's one of their better defensive
players he's out, and with the way Mayfield has been playing,
I I.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I think Detroit could be in trouble tonight. I think
Tampa Bay is going to go to six and one.
They're five, you know, I think they're going to go
to six and one. I think I think Tampa looks
really good.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
So but yeah, I if you're the vite, you don't
give up on the season yet, that'd be that'd be
that'd be foolish.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
But there are people that think the season is I
get it.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
You know, it's that you've been a fan of the
Purple for for your entire life.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
And yeah, I mean we know the history.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
You know, the lack of success in big games and
NFC Championship games the last six times.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
It's it's you're always you're expecting the worst, right, But.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I don't know, Chargers aren't he They're okay.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
The entire league is a bunch of okay teams, right,
I mean the Chargers of the first three weeks. I
remember watching Herbert against Kansas City Week one, going, this
is a new justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Well, you and I were saying that finally we you know,
big things have been predicted for the Chargers every year
for the past three, four or five years, and now
you and I've always doubted it. This was the year
after the start to their season with them. Maybe this
is the year that they put it all together. They
they they were they were rolled by by by the
Colts yesterday.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I just don't think they're that well.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
And if you want to talk about elite teams in
the National Football League, I guess we all had preconceived
notions of what the Indianapolis Colts are going to be.
So I think we've all been late to the party
and wanting to annoint them one of the top teams.
But at this point, you know, the teams are beating
and how and even when they've had a poor schedule,
they're just absolutely steamrolling some teams. Their offense can't be stopped.
(31:30):
At some point we have to go out, Maybe the
Indianapolis Colts are one of the best teams in football.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I think maybe they are. I think maybe that here's
one right here. This text message says Chargers Ravens kiddies.
All lost is three and six. The season's over. What
happened to tough Love? Well, nothing happened. What is he
talking about? Tough I don't know what the tough love right,
this is the tough love covenant. But I don't think
the season's over. That has nothing to do with being
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declaring the season over at this time. That nothing to
do with tough love. I don't even know what he's
with the point he's trying to make. Do I think
the Vikings are gonna win the big game? No, but
you don't give up on the season. It's the craziness.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
There are those they weren't that far off, And every
NFL team can say this, they were not so far
beyond the Philadelphia Eagles yesterday or they couldn't win that.
They could have easily won that game. In fact, you
could argue a tight moments they were the better team
in that game that it seemed like they shot themselves
in the foot more often than Philadelphia stopped them. They
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could move the ball at will yesterday.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Absolutely, Yeah, it's here. Here's another. We're not going to
the big game with Wentz. They need to put the
kid in the final.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
What we've got they keeps everybody keeps saying, we've got
to put the kid in the final. What we've got, No,
we don't. There's no rush to put him in to
find out what we got. If the Vikings lose the
next three and go three and six, then put the
kid in because it is over. But at this point
it's not they can They can be. The Vikings still
(33:02):
have enough talent. They can beat the Chargers, the Ravens
and the Kid. They can beat all three of Listeners.
They could lose to all three as well. I get it.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I still think that that's and I know they don't
want to admit it. I still think McCarthy it's a
soft bench is what they call it, like, it's not
a full out.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Hey, we're benching him.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I still think he's gonna let him sit down, right
because right now the argument is, well, once he's one
hundred percent healthy, then.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Then I guess we'll talk.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, there are quarterbacks in this league that are playing
not on Carson Wentz isn't a hundred percent healthy. He's
got to beat up shoulder Pat Mahomes. And I get it,
this is Mahomes compared to to JJ McCarthy. But Pat
Mahomes has played through ankle sprains before. Right, if if
they really thought, hey, McCarthy can play right now. If
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he needed to play, they had him as the emergency quarterback. Yeah,
I think it's partially Hey, let's let's get once to look.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
And I was all for that.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
I would have even wants a look against Philadelphia didn't
look great. I didn't think it was awful, but he
had some really really bad moments in that game.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
And you take a.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Game by game with Wentz and if you want to
move on to McCarthy this week, I would be fine
with that, but I'm not. I'm not in the moat
of well, we've got to take a look at what
we got. Well, there's plenty of time to do that,
and I think that's the point you want to agree.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
If they announced today, McCarthy was starting to say, okay, great,
play them.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yes, but I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
This one says I'd rather see the kid because I
think he gives us a better chance to win football games.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I believe that's all fine and good. I quite right.
It might be right.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
From what I've seen, and it's only been two games.
I would say no, I think he would have been
lost yesterday, but maybe not.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
You know, he did at that one great quarter.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I think people put a lot into that one quarter
or two against Was that the Bears for the fault
because it was a Bears right. We had the one
great quarter, the fourth quarter where he threw three touchdown passes.
I think a lot of people with a lot of
stock on that, maybe they should.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I still think if the Vikings believed that JJ McCarthy
gave them the better, it gave them the best chance
to win that even at I with an ankle, that's
not one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
He's out there in the fields.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I absolutely with you there, and so I think that's
what they what they think.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
It is.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
It's I mean it is You're seeing all over the
league young quarterbacks playing well. Uh who's the kid for
San fran mac Jones?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
That is his name? Is it Mac? He's playing pretty well.
That's the quarterback whister? Yeah, yeah, that is. Drake May
looks fantastic. Drake May looks great. The dark kid, he
looks great, looks really good too.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
There's There's a lot of you how about bow knicks
for for Denver. He was brilliant yesterday in that fourth quarter.
There's a lot of good young quarterbacks, so I understand that.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
But even bo Nix is like four years older than J. J. McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I understand that people are anxious to see what we
have in McCarthy, and there are those that they look
at the makeup of this. My only argument to it
because if you want to, if you if you want
to consider this tough love, you could say, maybe the
Vikings defense isn't as good as I thought they would
be when they acquired those two inside guys.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
M hard Grave And was it Jonathan wa Jonathan, Yeah,
it was his name? Is that right, Jonathan Waite? Jonathan Allen?
Isn't it Jonathan? Sorry, Jonathan jo.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Because yesterday the defense had just as much to do
with that loss is going one for six in the
red zone.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I mean, I don't know. They didn't get them, they
they they let they let them.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
They didn't get enough pressure on Hurts and they didn't
cover and so and all I've been told by you know,
I will go back to Donnatel.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
He was an awful defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Now we got Flora's there, We were supposed to sign
him to a lifetime deal because and I'm not blaming
it at all on Flora's. I'm the reason I always
push back on that quarterback Whisper and the Flora stuff
is because people want to believe that these guys are
They're Lombardi like and they're both really good coaches.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
You can't deny it. But I don't think because so much.
They can only do so much. He can't go out.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
There and and and and cover the receivers. He can't
apply a pass rush, and the quarterback can't throw the
ball for for the quarterback. So even did you see
you did? How did you watch any of the Packer game?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I watched parts of it yesterday. Jakobe Brissett looked pretty
good yesterday. Did you see before? Yeah? I mean.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
It's like, but I don't know. We we just can't
seem to find our quarterback. And I think that people
are anxious to see McCarthy. They see the success of
other kids around the league. They see the bow Nixeses
of the world, they see the the uh J Jaylen
Janiels all they see these guys and they think that
(38:18):
Will Williams, Yeah, let's see our guy. And there'll be
plenty of times.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
It's because J. J. McCarthy brings hope. They like, they
like buying that hope. That's exactly let's take a break,
come back. Remember, no coach today, He'll do his day
after the game. Newest conference two days after the game.
Did you say it was one fifteen? Schedule for tomorrow fifteen,
So we start at once the PJ. Fleck Show. Speaking
of that, we'll talk over football. I we'll talk about
it next.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
That's a tailor to UH to two weekends. As bad
as they looked last week, even if they beat.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Perdue, they looked awful.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
They were really good against Nebraska, but plenty more to
get to here on the Common Man Program.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
As a matter of fact, Tenem, you have a tease. Correct.
We got quite the predictament tonight.
Well, I would just say, dim the lights, draw the curtain,
fade to black, little bit, and that's that's that's how
that's all she wrote.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Even even that's all, folks.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Wow, before the program is over, we're hoping to get
to the bottom of what went wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
The wild seemed to.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Be for every for every for every step they take.
Now you don't take a step in hockey before, before
every before you put one skate in front of you,
they take two steps back. The Wolves begin their season
here on Wednesday. The Alcus is down to one final game,
(00:41):
and of course NFL wacky and wild as always, with
all those topics to get to, I'm not sure where
to begin today, So let's.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Spin the wheel of topic commons golf games. Oh that's
a bright spot. What did you shoot to shot an
eighty one? Where did we play a trail? Where'd you
(01:08):
hit it on one? Right off the gun? How far
from the game? I had one oh four to the pin.
I hit it a little long, the wind was at
my back.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I should have hit a I should have hit the
forty five degree instead of the pitching one. Then what
a three buttons? But it's all good, Yeah, it's all good.
I on my two days off. It was just awful.
I played as bad and you know.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
It's it's it's.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I mean. I on my final round at Mystic Lake
Friday afternoon, at the medals of a Misstic Lake, I
had more shanks than I had combined, more shanks. So
then I I took a long, hard look at myself.
I went to the range Saturday morning, got up early,
got up, got out of bed right, a comb across
my head, and I.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I'm now incorporating. I think I told you tend Toby.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I have this where I've always been a guy that
as I'm getting ready, as I addressed the ball and
I'm making my move away from the ball with the
club pulling the club away.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'm a swearer and I've worked on.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Just making the turn my upper Torso I decided to
bring that into all of my clubs, not just the driver,
and within twenty minutes I had it figured out. Today
it ain'ty one's nothing to write home about. That was
with a double in a triple though. So again I
played four holes or sixteen holes and forever hit the
ball really, really well. So I think it might be
(02:38):
it's a new beginning for me. It's only the beginning.
Matter fact, we would have probably been better off playing
only the beginning and gone over my round shot by shot.
But that's the synopsis of and you asked, not me.
That's what the Wheeler topic land on that. So what
am I supposed to do? That's that's where it ended up.
I still think one should get a better chance to
win with Once than we do with McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Wow, that was a game that was right there, tenn
to be. It was there for the taking.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
There might be moral victories in in in in house basketball,
right third grade.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, there are no moral.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Victories in the National Football League. But I thought we
were going to pull the fat out of the fire.
I thought we were going to win that football game.
And red zone issues tend to be a big plays
and turnovers. We turned the ball over a couple of times,
(03:37):
won for a tuddy the other way, and well they
had some big plays on the other side of the ball.
I mean, we had not given up, if I had
my numbers right.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You know, when you read.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Recaps of the game, there's so much information it's hard
for me to even keep track. But I think I
saw that we'd only given up, Like we being the Vikings.
Pretty soon it's gonna be they. It keeps up like that,
I'll abandon shift. I but as the as Dido sing
saying song, it's white flag. You and I have not
given up yet. We're not going to raise our arms
(04:09):
and surrender. There will be no white flag above our door.
I think we'd given up only three passes of twenty
air yards or more all season long, and.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
We gave up.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I mean, their quarterback Jalen Hurts, did he have a
perfect cube Q be ready?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yesterday wasn't a perfect It wasn't like one fifty three
point eight. It's just like, how do you do that?
I thought we were being situation. I thought we were bflow.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I thought we were aggressive without being reckless, and we
couldn't let.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Him go anywhere. Yeah, and I'm not blaming him.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I'm just saying I just go back to all the
things that the people tell me that you know, it's
all B flow, And when he's in charge, it doesn't
matter who the players are. And when we have O'Connell
as the head coach, does matter who our quarterback is,
And it does matter, it really does. It's it's the
players that play in the coaches that coach and as
(05:10):
a matter of fact, I think the Fisher ref factory
west Side on it was either Saturday or Sunday. They
did a big uh spread on uh uh.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Zay roj.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And he got burned a couple of times, big time,
especially that last That last one was that was the killer.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
That was the that was the one that I sted
for him.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And we we stopped the running game, you know we
we bark Barkley has not had a good year compared
to last year. Last year he ran ran for over
two thousand yard. We held him to forty eight.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
But the red zone failures were bad.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
There was wentz through the interception for the Tuddy that
that that that went the other way. That was a
bad throw, the Hawkinson catch, and I know Hawkinson complained
about it, and I guess on the letter.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Of the law, Tennaby, I don't know what you thought.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I I think it isn't incompletion though I've never understood
that rule. I to me, I've always said that you
and I have talked about this. If to me, if
the ball touches the ground, it all should be incomplete.
But that's not the rule. But it did look like
one he it touched, he rolled back over and bobbled
it a bit, and I guess I mean, Hankinson contends,
and he says the referees on the field insisted it
(06:23):
was a catch, but it's because they're going by what
they saw with the naked.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Eye with a certain camera angle, and so that was bad.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And then that one when uh.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
The center snapped it over went sh We just we
were one for was it one for five or one
for six in the redst We had to Yeah, we
had to settle for figures and just wasn't enough, and
a game that was right there to be had slips away,
and we went from an opportunity to be right near
the top of the NFC North, we're at rock bottom ring.
(06:59):
We're sitting at the bottom. Despite the fact that we are.
We three and three, three three and three, a five
hundred record still isn't too terribly bad. But we'll try
to get to the to the bottom and tell you
what wins wrong and so many other topics as we'll
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his day after the game. Newscomers on a Monday. I
think he's going to do it out of tool for
short week. It's a short week, that's I guess that's
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Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, there were. There were so many key plays. Maybe
you have a couple in mind two that stand out
well for the the The pick six was bad, but
I don't even know if that was the most egregious
mistake by Wentz, the one that that.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I thought was. I still don't understand what he was thinking.
And this would be Wentz.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
It's third quarter, second and eight from the Philadelphia nine,
and Wentz throws in complete and he's called for intentional grounding.
I don't know where he was. I mean, it was
so obvious he was gonna you just take the sack there.
But I don't know how he doesn't see C. J.
Hamm wide open out in the flat. Well.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Not only that, as Pete mentioned on the broadcast Pete
versus the Interior Decorator, when you get towards the end z,
they will never call intentionally grounding if you throw it
out the back of the end zone right exactly. So
like all you have to do is, once you realize
you don't know what you're gonna do here, you don't
have to just chuck to the ground. You just throw
it out the back of the end zone and we
don't lose any yardage.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
So he's got Hamm wide open on the left side
and he just pushes it forward.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And then of course now.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
We it's now you lose down distance and yardage.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
It and a play.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
It was just it was just a killer because on
the very next play, now it's third and eighteen from
the Philadelphia nineteen, we complete a short pass to Hawkinson,
but he can't break a tackle.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
There's no yard after a catch.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I will contend the Hawkinson trade with Detroit was the
second worst trade this franchise has ever made.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
The worst was, well, what they gave up for him.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
They gave up a second and a third round pick
number fifty five and seventy three, and he's good, but
he's and then the Lions went and drafted Laporta, who
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Porta is a significant upgrade over Hawkinson.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I would say the herschel Walker trade was the worst.
I can't think of a worse trade. Then then then
then than the Hawk, would you?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, how about Randy Moss or the Raiders? Yeah, I
guess that would be number.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Especially when we turned that seven over our picking to
Troy Williamson.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Okay, you're right, maybe that was the worst, second worst,
But I I that that that I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
He had a couple just mind meltdowns. Right, how about
the the wonder way through the backward pass towards the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, that turned into like a seven eight hour loss.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Even his second interception, throwing the ball thirty forty yards down,
you know, across the body a little bit while you're
on the run.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Right, Despite all of that, someone said, pretty sure Hawk
was traded for a fourth and a fifth round pick.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
No, he wasn't. He was traded for a second and
a third. There's definitely a second, and then there may
have been like a pick swappers and was the second
and the third? And I am the.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I'm the host of I worked for the worst all
sports radio stations in the country. I think I wouldn't
remember the trade second and the third one.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well, the Viking sent a second round pick and a
third round pick to Detroit. We got Hawkinson a fourth
throne pick and a conditional pick in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Pick number fifty fifty five and seventy three Detroit Cup
for Hawkinson. Think what you could get at fifty five
and seventy three. And again, I like Hawkinson and he's
a good player.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
But man, anyway, well crazy's history drafting. I think I
read the TA Well, yeah, yeah, you're probably.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Right despite all you know. And Wentz made some plays too,
I mean, he's I know.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You know. I got a lot of pushback.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Last week when I suggested even if McCarthy's ready to play,
I keep going with with with Wentz until Wentz completely
melts down to the Vikings. As long as Wentz continues
to play relatively well in the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Win football games, I would keep playing Wentz.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
There were much of the pushback I got, we're from
fans were already giving up on the season, and maybe
you give up on it now at three and three,
sitting in the last place in the NFC North.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I would not give up yet.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
It's not like we have been completely outclassed in We're
not the New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Okay, that game was there to be had yesterday.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
But despite all, Wentz made some really good plays too.
But really where I think the biggest play of the game,
and they usually are the ones that you know, even
though a play in the first quarter and a play
in the fourth quarner can have as much effect on
a game. It's third and nine for Philadelphia. They're on
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their own forty four. This is late in the fourth quarter,
right buck thirty five to go in the game. We
get a stop, we're down six, we can get the
ball back. We got one and I don't remember what
wasn't it our guy Rogers?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And who who made the the Aj Brown?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Was it Aj Brown who made the catch? Forty five
yard completion? How does that happen at that stage? Right there?
And again, as we talked about I mentioned earlier, I
think it was Saturday or Sunday. There was a big
spread on how much how good Rogers has been and
what a great acquisition he was, wasn't He's a good
player and thinks, you know, guys get burned.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
They was burned a couple of times in that game.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
That was twice and that was the second one, and
that he bit on an inside move and he was
wide and that was game.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
You know, you could if you come up with a
stop there.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
That's not to suggest that we win the game for sure,
but that we still had an opportunity with the minute
forty five minute thirty five to go in the game.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
It was almost like the Eagles had the scouting report
on him. Yeah, yeah, maybe they'd they'd seen him. They'd
they'd seen him, and and and and that was that
was that.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So yeah, I mean there were there were plays and
turnovers in the inability to do anything in in the
red zone, and I and I realized, I mean again,
it seemed like the Eagles were we were right for
the taking, right because they had lost two games in
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a row.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Hurts had not played well in those two games.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
If I if if if if if I'm if I'm correct,
I don't think he was. I mean, Philadelph wasn't very
good at all. Obviously they lost two games in a row.
But Hurts was really good yesterday. I and you know,
even when we did apply pressure, he was able to
find a way to to make it a place to
get a perfect quarterback, right. I mean, I just I
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expect more from the defense. I guess you know, I
don't know it was. It's a disappointing loss, for sure. McCarthy.
Everybody he insists on a short week he won't start
this week. I don't know how people feel about that. Again,
I know Wenz had his problems and he would look
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at he was a large part of the reason that
they lost.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
But I think there were the defense just they gave
up too many big plays. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I it's disappointing, to say the least. Let's let's pause.
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Speaker 2 (17:15):
A couple thirteen fourteen past Common Man.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Program doing a little reminiscing in regards to the Vikings
loss yesterday to.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Was at the final we lose to the Philadelphia Eagles
at defending Big Game World Champions, fourth quarter, six thirty
five remaining right, Mike is put together a pretty good drive.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
They started their own twenty eight and I'm looking at.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
The the play by play provided by soon to be
Big Game World Champion Minnesota Vikings Media Department. Wentz completes
to Addison for seven yards. He completes another pass to
Addison for fourteen in the first down, incomplete to Jefferson,
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incomplete to Feeland, and then Wentz scrambles for a first
down ten.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
He did a couple of those. He found an opening.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
He scrambles up the middle to the Philadelphia thirty five
for sixteen yards, then a couple of incompletions to Jefferson
and Hawkinson. Then he scrambles left tackle to Philadelphia twenty
three for twelve yards. We runs for back to back
first downs, incomplete deep right to Jefferson, short pass to
Addison to the Philadelphia fifteen for eight. Then it's the
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completion to Hockinson for a tutty replay official they call
it back. Then the Vikings there's two fifty eight to
go Tennebee fourth and two Philadelphia fifteen. Wentz completes to
Addison to the Philadelphia ten five yards.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
They get a.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
First down, but then once again they fail in the
red zone. They Wentz is sacked, loses eight yards, short
completion to Hockinson to the Philadelphia eleven for seven, and
then incomplete to Naylor, and then the Vikings have to
kick the field going for the two minute warning. And
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you know, hindsight's always twenty twenty. But you wonder if
once it all went wrong, should they have kicked the
They needed another score and they needed to score twice.
They were down nine, they had all three timeouts and
the two minute warning. Should they have kicked the figure
After the Hockinson play was called back and then tried
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to stop Philadelphia. It's easy to second gas. At the time,
I didn't mind them. You might not get any closer
for the touchdown, right, so you go four it on
fourth down, you get the first down. So that was
all good, but then you can't capitalize on it. They
were just so they were just so miserable in them
in the red zone.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It was just awful, right, Yeah, So it is easy
to look back afterwards, but even at the time, I
was like, it's just kick the field goal here, get
the one possession.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I think what happened after that was.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Kind of worst case scenario, and that not only did
you not score then half, you didn't score a touchdown.
After that point, you wasted a minute off the clock.
If they would have taken the field goal at that time,
I think they still had two fifty, which gives yourself
a chance that a Philadelphia gets a first down, you
still have a chance from a timeouts and two point
conversion and time standpoint to still you really reduce your
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you eliminate your margin for air on the second part
of that. After you waste that minute off the clock
and you get on the wrong side of the two
min a warning.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
So do you think See, I'm always you needed a
touddy and a field goal. And so if you're that
close and you decide to go for it, they did
pick up the first down.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, so that's why I can't really. I know there
are other people.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
That think that that was a bad decision. They want
to throw the blame on O'Connell, and look, I know
O'Connell apologist, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I want to get it as soon as I can.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
But like you say, the worst case happened where they
burned off a whole minute off the clock and they
and then they.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Once you decide to go for it and you have
a fresh four new set of downs, you just got
to be good.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You have to throw the ball the end zone.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, you can't be dinking and duncan and taking time
off the clock.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yes, that's exactly right, and so.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
It you know, but to your point that you know
a lot of the discussion has been on the Hawkinson
end of the catch. You gotta make that throw. I
mean he is wide opening the end zone. It's not
a precise dime you need to throw. You got to
make the throw. You missed the throw and I don't
know what Hawkinson is watching. Even a lot of people
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just reaction on social media. I'm like, are you guys
watching the same rep I am, because it was pretty
clear he caught it originally hits the ground after he
rolls over. You can see that ball bobbles around. He
didn't have possession of it. So to me, that was
an easy overturn and I'm surprised others don't see it
that way.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, I well, I think part of that is they're
viewing it with purple colored glasses. That's what it is.
It's it's look to me, I said this in the
opening segment. I think if at any time, if any
part of the ball touches the ground, didn't that used.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
To be incomplete or has that always been?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I always thought if the ball touched the ground, and
even if it just nicked it, to me, that's incomplete.
But because it's not, because if you cradle you get it.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Because so by the letter of the law, well, I
don't know how you would define like you would never
be able to make a diving catch. Ever, then in
the history of the NFL, because it's going to touch
the ball, the ground's gonna touch the ball. The ball's
gonna touch the ground at some point on your way down.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Well, no way not if you get your hands under it.
You could still make a diving catch without the ball
touching the ground, can't you.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I have no problem with like I know.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I mean, we've gone through a lot with this type
of play over the last fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I think your guy Megatron had one and again.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
He caught it and he used it like to brace
himself in the in the end zone is what he did.
He caught it and as he was coming down, he
put it on the ground. I just think of any
if the ball touches the ground anytimes, you're being complete
pass and you eliminate any controversts. But because the rule
is the way it is, see, and that's where even
though he juggled it, see, I think the rule should
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have been that should have been a catch.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
But by the rule it's not.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Because of exactly what you said, he did not retain possession.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
But he even though it touched the.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Ground and then he bobbled it when he came to rest,
he still had the football.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
In his hands. To me, that's a catch.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I've never liked the rule of what what's determined to
catch or what's not? I think the NFL has it
all wrong, and I guess I must be in the
vast minority because I just think it's I think that
should I think it if it touches the ground should
be incomplete. But because if it touches the ground and
you retain possession, and he had when he finally he
bobbled it, but when he came to rest, he had.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
It, did he not?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
How would you define then the way you like it?
If you have your ball under the hand right when
you're you're diving for catch, and your ball's under it,
but even like the nose of the football is hanging
outside of your hand and that part touches the ground.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, incomplete this way, it's it's it's it's it's at
that post.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
To me, if you've caught the ball and the ball
isn't moving around after you hit the ground, it.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Should be a catch. Okay, Yeah, I guess, I guess.
I guess you're right. I guess, and I get it.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Like there's a lot of gray area with this rule,
which is what all the consternation comes from. But to me,
on this one, I think it was pretty clear. After
he hit the ground, that ball bobbled around, and he
didn't have full possession of at that point. So after
it touches the ground and then you don't have possession
of it, before you regain possession, that's where it gets open.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, I guess, I guess that that that is the
way it's described.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
And but if you hit the if you catch it,
ball hits the ground and it never moves from your
hands or even it stays in your possion whole time,
that should be a.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Catch to me.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But that was not the case in yesterday's it was not.
You're absolutely I think they got the right call. I
think I think they they got it right.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
And so yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I I don't know how many times Once was sacked.
But the line is still a little leaky, right, I
don't know. We had an eel back Darris Saws there?
Did Jackson play? I don't even recall. Yeah, he played,
he played, I don't know. It was the center that
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got the most issues, the one.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
That we'd heard. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, No.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I think the penalty against him was a bad call.
That it was not a holding call.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
That was a terrible call.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Ye see that bad snap now they got Lucky Riker
to save his bacon. On that one, he had to
kick a fifty nine yard field goal all of a sudden,
but he had he had a sack that killed the drive.
He had that long the bad snap that killed the drive.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Does Dallas Turner does he affect a game in any way,
shape or form other than negatively?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Did he do anyth you're.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Talking about bad trades earlier right now, the amount of
draft picks they traded to go up and get him,
that don't look good.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
No, And uh, he's a non factor. Yeah, he's been
a non factor for sure, a non factor.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And I don't know, I you know, it's you know,
I'm I'm getting I'm getting a text messages again on
the branch on Bryant came and text on people saying
it's over. Season's over, and it's like, well, have you
been watching the league?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
They're really full.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
It's it's it's actually someone. I mean, we're going to
do the NFL round up later.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I watched Denver put up thirty three. I watched that game.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
We had both TV's going deuce and I had both
TV's going so I had the Packer Cardinal game on
and then I was going on CBS. They had Chargers Colts.
We didn't need Danny Dimes. That guy can play football, man,
he's really good. He's who would have thought, Yeah, we
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should have offered him the contract.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I guess that's what we should have done.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Anyways, all the quarterbacks we've passed on and this offseason
involved done well. Yeah Danny Dimes Now technically technically he
I think turned down us.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Well that's because I think he knew he was not
going to be the starting quarterback. That I was like, no,
we're going with our handpick. Guy McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Donald's been good and we'll see him again tonight. Yeah,
and Aaron Rodgers has been good.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
But that that that Broncos Giants game, I don't suppose
you saw any of it. It was crazy. It's just
it was absolutely insane. I couldn't live I mean, that
was some National footballer you gray was like the most
points in the fourth quarter by any team in NFL
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history that had no points going into the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
They scored thirty three points in the quarter. Uh, most
of it in the last five and a half minutes. Yeah,
there was six and a half minutes to go.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I think when they started the come back, the dark
guy made the one bad throw. He threw the interception
that was that was critic Had he not done that,
who knows what happens. Of course, at the place kicker
for the Giants doesn't miss two extra points, that's that
that that game could have been totally different as well.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
But that was insane.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
So you look at the way the only team that
seems like it's writing there I do. It goes back
that it's just hard to beat Kansas City. It seems
like they're coming on. Yeah, I think they're coming on.
But I don't look at anybody in the in the NFC.
I mean, Rams are pretty good, but I don't think
Lions might be the best team. I don't know Tampa.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Tonight will be. Yeah, I a top ten. Yeah. I
think the.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Problem with again, if you're a Lions fan and I am,
and your secondary is beat up again, just like go
what you know their defense was was was decimated last year.
Their secondary is is in in in shambles now. And
then the branch clown gets the pass so he's out
on a suspension on an injury.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
He suspends.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
They need him, he's he's one of their better defensive
players he's out, and with the way Mayfield has been playing,
I I.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I think Detroit could be in trouble tonight. I think
Tampa Bay is going to go to six and one.
They're five, you know, I think they're going to go
to six and one. I think I think Tampa looks
really good.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
So but yeah, I if you're the vite, you don't
give up on the season yet, that'd be that'd be
that'd be foolish.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
But there are people that think the season is I
get it.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
You know, it's that you've been a fan of the
Purple for for your entire life.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
And yeah, I mean we know the history.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
You know, the lack of success in big games and
NFC Championship games the last six times.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
It's it's you're always you're expecting the worst, right, But.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I don't know, Chargers aren't he They're okay.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
The entire league is a bunch of okay teams, right,
I mean the Chargers of the first three weeks. I
remember watching Herbert against Kansas City Week one, going, this
is a new justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Well, you and I were saying that finally we you know,
big things have been predicted for the Chargers every year
for the past three, four or five years, and now
you and I've always doubted it. This was the year
after the start to their season with them. Maybe this
is the year that they put it all together. They
they they were they were rolled by by by the
Colts yesterday.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I just don't think they're that well.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
And if you want to talk about elite teams in
the National Football League, I guess we all had preconceived
notions of what the Indianapolis Colts are going to be.
So I think we've all been late to the party
and wanting to annoint them one of the top teams.
But at this point, you know, the teams are beating
and how and even when they've had a poor schedule,
they're just absolutely steamrolling some teams. Their offense can't be stopped.
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At some point we have to go out, Maybe the
Indianapolis Colts are one of the best teams in football.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I think maybe they are. I think maybe that here's
one right here. This text message says Chargers Ravens kiddies.
All lost is three and six. The season's over. What
happened to tough Love? Well, nothing happened. What is he
talking about? Tough I don't know what the tough love right,
this is the tough love covenant. But I don't think
the season's over. That has nothing to do with being
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declaring the season over at this time. That nothing to
do with tough love. I don't even know what he's
with the point he's trying to make. Do I think
the Vikings are gonna win the big game? No, but
you don't give up on the season. It's the craziness.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
There are those they weren't that far off, And every
NFL team can say this, they were not so far
beyond the Philadelphia Eagles yesterday or they couldn't win that.
They could have easily won that game. In fact, you
could argue a tight moments they were the better team
in that game that it seemed like they shot themselves
in the foot more often than Philadelphia stopped them. They
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could move the ball at will yesterday.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Absolutely, Yeah, it's here. Here's another. We're not going to
the big game with Wentz. They need to put the
kid in the final.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
What we've got they keeps everybody keeps saying, we've got
to put the kid in the final. What we've got, No,
we don't. There's no rush to put him in to
find out what we got. If the Vikings lose the
next three and go three and six, then put the
kid in because it is over. But at this point
it's not they can They can be. The Vikings still
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have enough talent. They can beat the Chargers, the Ravens
and the Kid. They can beat all three of Listeners.
They could lose to all three as well. I get it.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I still think that that's and I know they don't
want to admit it. I still think McCarthy it's a
soft bench is what they call it, like, it's not
a full out.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Hey, we're benching him.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I still think he's gonna let him sit down, right
because right now the argument is, well, once he's one
hundred percent healthy, then.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Then I guess we'll talk.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, there are quarterbacks in this league that are playing
not on Carson Wentz isn't a hundred percent healthy. He's
got to beat up shoulder Pat Mahomes. And I get it,
this is Mahomes compared to to JJ McCarthy. But Pat
Mahomes has played through ankle sprains before. Right, if if
they really thought, hey, McCarthy can play right now. If
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he needed to play, they had him as the emergency quarterback. Yeah,
I think it's partially Hey, let's let's get once to look.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
And I was all for that.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
I would have even wants a look against Philadelphia didn't
look great. I didn't think it was awful, but he
had some really really bad moments in that game.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
And you take a.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Game by game with Wentz and if you want to
move on to McCarthy this week, I would be fine
with that, but I'm not. I'm not in the moat
of well, we've got to take a look at what
we got. Well, there's plenty of time to do that,
and I think that's the point you want to agree.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
If they announced today, McCarthy was starting to say, okay, great,
play them.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yes, but I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
This one says I'd rather see the kid because I
think he gives us a better chance to win football games.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I believe that's all fine and good. I quite right.
It might be right.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
From what I've seen, and it's only been two games.
I would say no, I think he would have been
lost yesterday, but maybe not.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
You know, he did at that one great quarter.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I think people put a lot into that one quarter
or two against Was that the Bears for the fault
because it was a Bears right. We had the one
great quarter, the fourth quarter where he threw three touchdown passes.
I think a lot of people with a lot of
stock on that, maybe they should.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I still think if the Vikings believed that JJ McCarthy
gave them the better, it gave them the best chance
to win that even at I with an ankle, that's
not one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
He's out there in the fields.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I absolutely with you there, and so I think that's
what they what they think.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
It is.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
It's I mean it is You're seeing all over the
league young quarterbacks playing well. Uh who's the kid for
San fran mac Jones?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
That is his name? Is it Mac? He's playing pretty well.
That's the quarterback whister? Yeah, yeah, that is. Drake May
looks fantastic. Drake May looks great. The dark kid, he
looks great, looks really good too.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
There's There's a lot of you how about bow knicks
for for Denver. He was brilliant yesterday in that fourth quarter.
There's a lot of good young quarterbacks, so I understand that.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
But even bo Nix is like four years older than J. J. McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I understand that people are anxious to see what we
have in McCarthy, and there are those that they look
at the makeup of this. My only argument to it
because if you want to, if you if you want
to consider this tough love, you could say, maybe the
Vikings defense isn't as good as I thought they would
be when they acquired those two inside guys.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
M hard Grave And was it Jonathan wa Jonathan, Yeah,
it was his name? Is that right, Jonathan Waite? Jonathan Allen?
Isn't it Jonathan? Sorry, Jonathan jo.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Because yesterday the defense had just as much to do
with that loss is going one for six in the
red zone.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I mean, I don't know. They didn't get them, they
they they let they let them.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
They didn't get enough pressure on Hurts and they didn't
cover and so and all I've been told by you know,
I will go back to Donnatel.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
He was an awful defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Now we got Flora's there, We were supposed to sign
him to a lifetime deal because and I'm not blaming
it at all on Flora's. I'm the reason I always
push back on that quarterback Whisper and the Flora stuff
is because people want to believe that these guys are
They're Lombardi like and they're both really good coaches.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
You can't deny it. But I don't think because so much.
They can only do so much. He can't go out.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
There and and and and cover the receivers. He can't
apply a pass rush, and the quarterback can't throw the
ball for for the quarterback. So even did you see
you did? How did you watch any of the Packer game?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I watched parts of it yesterday. Jakobe Brissett looked pretty
good yesterday. Did you see before? Yeah? I mean.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
It's like, but I don't know. We we just can't
seem to find our quarterback. And I think that people
are anxious to see McCarthy. They see the success of
other kids around the league. They see the bow Nixeses
of the world, they see the the uh J Jaylen
Janiels all they see these guys and they think that
(38:18):
Will Williams, Yeah, let's see our guy. And there'll be
plenty of times.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
It's because J. J. McCarthy brings hope. They like, they
like buying that hope. That's exactly let's take a break,
come back. Remember, no coach today, He'll do his day
after the game. Newest conference two days after the game.
Did you say it was one fifteen? Schedule for tomorrow fifteen,
So we start at once the PJ. Fleck Show. Speaking
of that, we'll talk over football. I we'll talk about
it next.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
That's a tailor to UH to two weekends. As bad
as they looked last week, even if they beat.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Perdue, they looked awful.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
They were really good against Nebraska, but plenty more to
get to here on the Common Man Program.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
As a matter of fact, Tenem, you have a tease. Correct.
We got quite the predictament tonight.
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