HR. 3 - Tom's Favorite Dad

Tom Pelissero joins the show to talk about the NFL, the J.J. McCarthy situation and the big debate between Rich Eisen and Paul Allen

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
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blowing snow, looks twenty one tonight.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
It will be, did you? I mean not today, but
it will be. We're you going for the celsius thing?
I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
I was guessing by looking at the window, and I
don't have my glasses on it.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Are you okay? Definitely wouldn't be ninety four celsius. That'd
be tough. If it was, that would be very tough.
It'd be tough. Yeah, there'd be a tough day around here,
real tough part.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Least sunning the next couple of days. Snow on Saturday, lovely?
How much like a lot a lot.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
O people? One to two inches possible at this moment,
but you know they.

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Never really show four hockey.

Speaker 6 (00:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
I just jumped.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
The wind is dying down because I hate flying when
the wind is blowing.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh you know, you guys fly out.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
I don't know yet, but I didn't say any Saturday morning.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Good Yeah? How long is that flight? Oh yeah, almost four? Yeah,
it's a it's a four hour swim. Five to ten
miles an hour.

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Speaker 1 (01:02):
Thanks Paul Douglas.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Here's Paul Allen. He hates turbulence, he really does.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
He does. Have you not seen Wicked yet?

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This?

Speaker 7 (01:10):
I have it.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I haven't yet.

Speaker 8 (01:11):
I was gonna say that my girls have seen it,
and I just realized that you said west Wind or something.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
What they say.

Speaker 8 (01:18):
They all thought it was good. Yeah, and they all
kind of said it like that.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
They all liked it.

Speaker 8 (01:24):
They all said it was good, but none of them
seemed to be blown away by it like they all
were with the first one.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah, I've I've gotten much the same from almost about.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I talked to. Yeah, but you know, yeah whatever, Yeah, right,
I'll dig it. Yeah, it make my crab. Yeah, and
you love the crowd. It's good for you baby. Well
you know he's just talking to the plows. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Oh it's good. Yeah, please throw some salt the big
look plowski.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Oh Tony relaxed, my god.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Take a deep breath to.

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Speaker 8 (02:06):
All right, let's just keep hammering and we'll talk to
Tom Pelisaro about it.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
In a segment or so. But yeah, it sounds like Brosmer.

Speaker 8 (02:12):
Starting on Sunday, Diana Rossini is reporting that JJ McCarthy
will not play Sunday against the Seahawks, and saus you
were saying this off here, that man, at some point
we might have to do a post mortem and go
back and look at everything, Diana Rossini said off air.
Ye sorry off in the off season, because she did
get kind of laughed at. Alex Lewis was in that
boat too. Remember Alex Lewis, our guy got thrown the

(02:33):
under the bus a bunch for throwing darts and being
wrong in this and guessing it's like, well, I wonder
if we go back if they were right almost always.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I think they were pretty close.

Speaker 6 (02:44):
I think, yeah, Alex concerned with PA and was like,
I'm not making these things up. Diana is not making
these things up for you know, clicks on New York
Times dot com, which the Athletic.

Speaker 8 (02:57):
What are some of the things you're talking about that
she was right about. I think Parthy related.

Speaker 6 (03:00):
I think, yeah, the bit about how like there's people
in the building who don't think he's quite ready. That's
why they flirted with Aaron Rodgers. Uh, there were. I
think there was a couple other things even as we
got towards the season, that he was struggling and no
one believed her, and it was I think they've all
just been ripped for that, and.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
They might have all been right.

Speaker 8 (03:22):
Hm, well the world may never I'm not good with math.

Speaker 6 (03:30):
Sure, what do you think the odds are he starts
week one next season?

Speaker 1 (03:43):
A lot of people have been asking me that. Yeah, see,
it's good.

Speaker 8 (03:46):
This is what it feels like to stall. Great me, Yeah,
great question. A lot of people have been asking me
about that. A lot of people are talking about that.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (03:57):
Man, that's that's hard to say because there's a lot
of games left to be played.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, but how many of them will he play?

Speaker 8 (04:03):
That's what I'm thinking is like, if he plays zero
the rest of the way, that number is going to
be really low. It's almost like he has to get
back out there at some point and show some kind
of life or they're going to have to do something.
I don't want to keep bringing up Mac Jones's name,
but they're gonna have to do something like that. Well, so,
because they can't come back unless Brosmer lights to place
up as well. But man, if McCarthy has no games

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the rest of the year where he shows life.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Chances.

Speaker 8 (04:29):
He starts week one, maybe like twenty percent. So Seafert
was on last night with Brero Hawk.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Did you hear it?

Speaker 3 (04:35):
I didn't get a chance now.

Speaker 6 (04:36):
So he said that you know the name is you
just said card. The name that keeps getting brought up
is mac Jones, And he brought this up and I
didn't know it.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Mac Jones is under He is one more year.

Speaker 6 (04:46):
With San Francisco, so they'd have to trade for him,
which is maybe a good thing that they don't have
to outbid his services and then pay a ton for
him for what might be a backup quarterback. But he
is under contract for one more year with the forty nine.

Speaker 8 (05:00):
As long as Perty is healthy, there's no reason for
mac Jones to stay there. It's it's a lot like
what Sam Darnald did here or even Sam Donald did
under party, which is just get there, have Shanahan or
koc show you how it's done, and then you get
the hell out of here and you start your career
over somewhere else when they pay a bunch of money.
So I don't think mac Jones wants to be a
backup anymore. He's proven he can he can sling it still. Yeah,

(05:21):
now he's get back out there.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
Shanahan's system, you know, And we've had that debate about Purty.
Perty's fine good, but like mac Jones filled in just
as well, right, so like is it the system?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
So who knows?

Speaker 8 (05:33):
Do you hear Commedy that they break down the party bit? No,
Somons commons leaning very heavily into the whole quarterback whisper.
I think with koc Yeah that that you know, he
gets a lot of credit for transforming whatever quarterbacks like
Donald and Common went through this whole bit where Donald
was asked about it when he got to Seattle, like,

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you know, how did you turn this whole thing around.
The person he gives the most credit to is Brock
Purty for like rewiring how he preps, how he analyzes
the game. Like he he can't say enough good things
about Rock Party, and.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
He was in San Francisco with him before exactly.

Speaker 6 (06:12):
Under Party, because that was you go back to the
super Bowl when Pellisero, who's kind of I think he's
plugged in a little bit, like the Vikings are going
to go after Sam Darnold and he was one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
So I mean, obviously Chaos knows what he's doing. But again,
you know, when you want to talk about quarterback whispers,
Shanahan obviously can pump him out.

Speaker 8 (06:32):
Soh yeah, he knows what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
So I don't know.

Speaker 8 (06:36):
I'm if you would have told me a year ago
that the Vikings starting quarterback was going to be Mac Jones,
I would have been like, oh God, what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (06:43):
He looked pretty good. It's Mac tonight.

Speaker 8 (06:45):
He looks pretty good. So we'll see. That's but that's
in the off season. We maybe Brozmur just lights it
up these six games and.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Our starting quarterback next year. Who knows.

Speaker 8 (06:54):
Again, what a cool story that would be if a
freaking Gopher is the savior.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Of the Minnesota Vikings for the next decade.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
And just you know, I get to ken when I'm
when I'm listening to or reading a book, I get
kind of obsessed with the subject. Like if I'm listening
to a book on Queen, I can't stop listening to
Queen music. I'm listening to the book about Billy Bean
and the Oakland Ages. You know, what's the movie Moneyball?
Money And listening I had no idea how much the

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book was about Billy Bean the player. So stay with
me for a second. So Billy Bean was drafted the
same year as Darryl Strawberry, and there were people who
debated who was the better player, right, and Billy had
every physical attribute you can think of. Looked at when
he made contacted with the ball, he was he would

(07:43):
kill it. There was He played this one game just
out of high school, like an all star game where
there were there was no fence, and people kept backing
up farther and he kept hitting it over their head
no matter how far back they went. It was so
just had all but he had no idea how to fail.
So if he struck out, it ruined him. If he
hit the ball on the first pitch, he was great.

(08:05):
If he struck out on the first at bat, he
was done for the game. Not just done for the game.
Hitting the baseball bat against the wall so hard it
bent the bat like that kind of overreaction. Mentally, he
couldn't fail. That's just something happened to him when he
was a kid, and he wasn't allowed to fail.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
Right.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
My point is, Billy Bean is in the Texas Rookie
league with Darryl Strawberry and if I wish I had to
remember the name because it's a name that's very famous.
But the guy was drafted in the thirteenth round. Billy
Bean's drafted.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
In the first round.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Okay, and their roommates and this other kid's like, yeah,
I'm gonna make the team.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I'm gonna do great. And they're watching.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Somebody pitching warming up one day and the other player
says to Billy Bean, he says, who's that out there
on the mound? Who's the fat body on the mound?
And Billy goes, are you that's Steve Carlton. He's one
of the greatest pitchers of all time. And the guy's like, yeah, cool, whatever,
and Billy said, I realized quickly I had physical tools,
but I did not have the mental ability to play

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this game.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
And I could not do it.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Just watching this guy who believed he was great enough
to go up and hit Steve Carlton even though.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
He'd never faced him before. I didn't have that.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
And the reason what I'm trying to say is I
was listening to this portion of the book yesterday thinking
about where JJ McCarthy is right now, and there if
it's possible to take somebody who is lost. It looks like,
I don't know. I've never met the young man. I've
never shaken his hand, I've seen him alive, I've never
met him. I wonder if it's possible to take somebody
who appears to be so mentally beaten down and just

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give them a minute and say, take a deep breath.
Football is not whether or not your son's going to
wake up tomorrow. Football is a game, because it seems
to me like that's kind of what he needs right now.
And it didn't seem like anybody was able to do
that to Billy Bean. And by the way, that's what
led him to being the general manager he was, because
he started saying, it's not just about whether you have

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the physical tools, It's about whether or not you love
the game and can play it. And that's why they
oak were able to do what they did. I know
it's a long story.

Speaker 8 (10:02):
My positible, But the question, the question that you bring
up they also can't be answered, is is somebody that
has having having a hard time really in their mental stability.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Is a benching even worse than a break like is.

Speaker 8 (10:17):
A benching the ultimate like you know, mind breaker, Like
is JJ strong enough to come back from a quote
benching to get the break that he needs or is
that I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
I mean, there's only one way to find out, and.

Speaker 8 (10:32):
This one again is whether it's a quote soft benching
or not because of the concussion.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
We'll never know that.

Speaker 8 (10:38):
But if Brozemer plays for a week or two or
three and then and then he gets back in there,
who knows if that's a good.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Thing or a bad thing. Time will tell. Yeah, no idea,
what are you gonna say, Marco, he's got a concussion.
I mean, yeah, you can call that a small bench. Well,
they don't know, you know, I mean that's what people
are supposed to.

Speaker 9 (10:54):
But here's the thing, Like, so I'm fine again with
the mental health as you guys know, with that battle
with the concussions.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Every day, and yeah, like are you kidding me?

Speaker 9 (11:02):
Like, take care of this kid's brain, even if it's
there's a question of the concussion. If he is our guy,
you got to protect him too, Like, you got to
make sure he's healthy. You don't want to throw him
out there if he is dealing with some kind of
help like mental with the concussion. Obviously, with the maybe
the crack and the confidence or maybe there's the wavering

(11:22):
and the confidence that we're seeing right now that you know,
you can't do that to the poor guy too well.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
And also on the whole, like people talking about the
soft benching thing, now that they have independent well observers
that like make those calls on concussion protocol, yeah, can
they even do that? I mean obviously back in the
day they could if it's team doctors you can see,
you know whatever, But like now with an independent body
that judges that, can you even do that?

Speaker 8 (11:49):
So the truth soft benching was the ankle, right if
you want to have the conspiracy theory that they benched
him because he didn't really have a terrible ankle injury,
it's just we got to get Carson Wentz in there
and give you a break. Like you said, this one
probably has some different hurdles, right guys.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
It just.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
But we're not disagreeing, we're not disagreeing.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
But Mark, honestly, well not just that, but I mean,
here's the quint as somebody who's had a bunch of them.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Obviously, Yeah, no.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
As somebody's had a bunch of them, Mark, Like, is it?
I'm sorry I'm not saying he's doing this, but I'm
asking you the question because it's it's a question people
are asking. Is it possible to say, oh, I don't
feel great and people, you know what I mean, like
and and not be a concussion. Do you know what
I mean, like it's not well?

Speaker 9 (12:33):
I mean, well, yeah, I mean I guess there's always
that possibility, because you know, with a concussion or if
any injury, if you know it well enough, you could
certainly able to fake it. But at the same time,
if it's a concussion, it's very obvious to the medical
you know, the medical team that see these see them
every single day, they're going to pick up on the

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body language of something that's just not quite right, or
even the coaching staff everybody around them, because even you know,
and they used to have the minor and major concussions
and all that crazy stuff too. And even when I
had those minor concussions, it was obvious that it was
a little off. And every time I've had a teammate
that that's battling some kind of concussion, you can tell.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
There you go, they're a That's what I'm asking, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 9 (13:20):
Yeah, it's it's it's it's blatantly obvious if you're dealing
with take a deep breath on that one hundred percent, like,
slow down, let them, let them, I.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Don't get healthy. Good Yeah, worst case scenario.

Speaker 9 (13:35):
You need the rest of his life here, people, not
just for his career.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Two, pull your hands up. No, I don't think you
need your brain your whole life used mind, you are
a freak of nature. Most people like to have their
brain working. Just you have wanted he went, but saw.

Speaker 8 (13:57):
What he really realized at the end is that he
always had a brain, and the tin men realized he
always had a heart, that the lion always had courage.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Spoiler what else did the tin man have? You wish?
Metal privates? You've seen the whole movie, right.

Speaker 8 (14:14):
Of course, Yeah, you get the bit, right, I think so,
I think so. You know she was just dreaming, right, No,
I got that when she woke up, right, I understand
you got tossed her on in a tornado. She probably
had a slight concussion. Yeah, so what do you do?

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You put her in the bed and put Brozmer in
the game. Yeah, it's no big deal. So sure we'll
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Speaker 3 (16:33):
Hi, Tom, hey man.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
How are you? I'm good man? There you are. I
love it.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
I love it because you just at this point you
don't even expect to really be on they call you.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, you expect it to not happen.

Speaker 7 (16:50):
I hear myself on a second delay. You know it's
that button. It's now on the left right there there
is you know how to find it?

Speaker 1 (17:01):
I do I find the button? Thank you that we're good?
Can you hear me? Okay now you're good? Yeah, okay, great, good,
good good.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Thank you to bell Bank for bringing us Tom Peliso,
Hey Tom, hell of a game for.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Us last week.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
I was there.

Speaker 6 (17:17):
Yeah, you like the plague.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
Oh you're you're allowed in places I'm not.

Speaker 7 (17:24):
During the actual game, I am banned from the field
about fifteen minutes before kickoff, up in the warmth of
the press box. Though it was pretty nice day weatherwise
for mid November in Green Bay. I would say this
and listen. I know how the game ends. I know
if you look at the stat line, what it looks
like up until the punt fiasco. I thought the Viking's

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might winning that game. It's it's competitive, and I'm sure
we'll talk more about JJ McCarthy, but like early on,
you know, he was accurate with the football.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
He got the ball to Justin Jefferson. They're running it.
Jordan Mason looked really good in that game.

Speaker 7 (17:59):
Obviously here and Owns gets going a little bit and
then it just kind of slowed down and the punt
which comes. All again, it's still a competitive game. It
just it flipped so much in that game. Then he
got injuries. He got two offensive linemen you know, are
not able to finish in that game. JJ's trying to
make things happen down the field, you know, throwing the

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ball into Harm's way, which again he wasn't doing in
the early going. But then you know you're behind a
couple of touchdowns, you're trying just to come up with something.
It just you know, the game got sideways at that point.
I actually thought Brian Flores his game plan was pretty good.
I mean, they blitzed the crap out of Jordan Love,
and it makes sense because you know, from an analytic perspective,
if you look at Love, the one thing that he's

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struggled with this season is when he's got interior pressure,
when the defensive tackles get in his face.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
In this case, when the blitzer's getting his face. I mean,
they were.

Speaker 7 (18:49):
Coming from all angles. They were sending slot blitzes, they
were sending cross dogs. You know, they really made life difficult.
But you know, Jordan Love makes the one throw. I
think it was on third down. He's kind of backped
en and I believe it was Blake Cashman in his
face and he just kind of floats it to the
receiver and you just go, all right, if he's if
Jordan Loves completing those types of passes, this is going
to be a tough day, you know, and then in

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that second half, obviously once they get the lead and
you can turn loose Michaeh Parsons, I mean, you know,
Ryan Kelly kind of gets tripped on that play. But
when he's getting run over like that and Darisa us
struggling against him, it's just, you know, there's always so
much you can do.

Speaker 8 (19:27):
All right, Tom, Let's ask you the unanswerable question, but
it's what everybody's talking about. Is this truly the next
six games for JJ McCarthy somehow, some way, if he
gets back in there healthy quickly, is this him playing
for his Vikings career?

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Like? How quickly could this be over here in Minnesota
for Jj?

Speaker 7 (19:44):
Listen when the team is struggling and fall in below
expectations and he got a young quarterback. You know, there's
always gonna be evaluations and I'm sure that you know
in the big picture when the Vikings go back through
even the way this past offseason went, you know, and
I always make clear on this, like they did try
to maintain to retain Sam Donald, they did try to
retain Daniel Jones. You know, could they have tried harder

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for lack of a better term. Could they have made
a multi year offer to Sam Donald, Could they have
brought in Aaron Rodgers? I mean all that stuff, you know,
hindsight's twenty twenty. But the focus was, you know, making
sure that the JJ McCarthy had the best opportunity once
he was ready. You didn't want to have a situation
where you had somebody in front of him that you
couldn't pull off the field. If he signed Aaron Rodgers,

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you're not benching him after a few games and things
aren't going right, or just because you want to see
JJ McCarthy, it's just not happening. Daniel Jones was the
one that they thought was coming back. Then it turned
out he just believed he had a better opportunity in Indianapolis.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
He ends up leaving.

Speaker 7 (20:40):
You know, what you could not have necessarily predicted was
that JJ McCarthy had lost all those reps as a rookie,
would also lose this many reps, you know, in his
second year and missing six weeks with a high ankle sprain.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
He's got a lot going on in his in his
life right now.

Speaker 7 (20:55):
I think that it's probably an oversimplification to say, you know,
these next six games are going to make or break
JJ's career. And listen, this week, I mean, it's not
gonna be six games, because this week I'd be shocked
if he plays.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
He's in the concussion protocol.

Speaker 7 (21:09):
You know, it's a weird week where thanksgivings a little
bit shorter, so the timeframe is even a little bit
more compressed.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
I think we.

Speaker 7 (21:14):
See Max Brosmer start against the Seahawks, which is going
to be another side story that's going to be fascinating
to watch play out. But you know, you've seen a
bunch of things with McCarthy this year. You've seen some
mechanical things that just don't look right. You've seen just
kind of the waves that he rides within games where
you know, I think, again, I think it's too small

(21:35):
to sample size to say he's a streaky quarterback. We've
seen him, you know, make big time throws and play
like he did in Detroit, play like he did especially
the first half against Baltimore. But putting together four quarters
just has been a battle for him. Both times against Chicago,
first three quarters are not good, the fourth quarter is good.
You know, what do you actually have here? You're not
going to know that in six starts, and I get it.

(21:56):
There's plenty of people who already want to say, just
pull the plug, it's over. He can't do it. It's
six starts. There's a reason that they believed in the guy.
I was in the locker room this past Friday and
talking with players, you know, as a guy people like
JJ McCarthy. They believe in JJ McCarthy. The results are
not there right now on the field. This is gonna

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be a big off season for him one way or another,
regardless of what else the Vikings do at the quarterback position.
It's a big off season for him to you know, mentally, physically, emotionally,
just kind of you know, settle everything down, probably work
drill down on his mechanics, you know, maybe try to
adjust certain things that you know, when you watch there's
there's various things about his game that just look kind

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of unorthodox or the things that they can you know,
potentially smooth out, you know, all that stuff that they're
going to be talking about in January. I think it's
fair to say that, you know, the room is going
to look a little bit different. But the first step
into determiny what exactly that room is going to look
like in twenty twenty six really begins this week where
Max Brosmer, who they thought enough of to keep on
the fifty three man roster to have as the number

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two after Carson Wentz'.

Speaker 5 (22:59):
Season was over.

Speaker 7 (23:01):
There's a lot of things that they like about Max
Brozmer in terms of just you know, how you know
quick his feet is, He's accurate with the football, the
work ethic, the leadership traits, all that stuff's there. It's
kind of an all arm thrower at times, not like
a great deal of shoulder rotation, but standstall in the
pocket was really productive. You know, look at the back
half of last season with the Gophers. I believe they

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went six and two and he threw like sixteen touchdowns
versus two interceptions. He's going up against a really good
defense this week in Seattle. It's not going to be
an easy task out of the gate. But I will
just say this. I'm not being in the prediction business,
but don't be shocked if Max Brozmer goes out there
and plays pretty good football on Sunday.

Speaker 6 (23:40):
Tom, did you think maybe early on, when they saw
some of these flaws in McCarthy's mechanics, that they thought
maybe they could fix him on the fly, or they
didn't think they would be that bad in like an
in game scenario. Do you know what I'm saying, Like,
did they think that this would kind of progress as
it went and then it got worse as it went.

Speaker 7 (24:00):
Well, there's so many different things, sauce. When you're talking
about a young quarterback, you're trying to integrate him into
the offense.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
You know, get him going.

Speaker 7 (24:10):
I mean, just go down the list pre snap, which
JJ McCarthy's really really good pre snap, like he gets
him in the right looks.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
I understand he misses some throws.

Speaker 7 (24:16):
There are times he gets frantic in the pocket when
things break down, he throws things off bounce play pre snap.
From everything that I've been told, like, he's done a
really good job getting them in the right place post
snap when things start moving. We've seen him wri when
he plays in rhythm, you know it can be good.
There's other games like out of the Gate against Chicago
where he's just he's not hitting anything, and there's a

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bunch of different things that go with that.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
My point is, there's only so much time in the day, and.

Speaker 7 (24:43):
If you're talking about trying to get a quarterback who
missed all those reps last year, and then integrate him
into the offense. And what you don't want to do
is break the guy down mechanically and start from zero.
And so there was a growth process that maybe his
first off season coming off of twenty twenty four would
have been that time to go back and really hone
in on some of those mechanics. Twenty twenty four to

(25:04):
twenty five was about a rehab phase and then just
reintegrating him and getting him up to speed and trying
to play at game speed.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
You're not going to reteach the guy how to throw
a football. And I don't think that it's.

Speaker 7 (25:12):
You know, a teared out operation by any stretch. But
you know, are there things that you would like to
see him do a little bit different.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
From mechanic perspective, you know everything.

Speaker 7 (25:21):
I'm not an expert in that area, but everything I've
been told is, yeah, there are things that they would
like him to do differently here. So I think that
the entire timeline gets slowed down just by virtue of
how much time the guy missed. I mean, is rookie season.
It's one thing, if all right, you know, to take
the Packers right, Jordan Love sat for three years. But
Jordan Love was getting all those reps in practice. He

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was healthy, he was running the scout team when you
know Aaron Rodgers needed a day off. He was the
one taking those first team remps. JJ didn't have any
of that. And I'm not making excuses for the guy, Okay,
I'm really not. It's just the reality is there's there's
no way to make up for all those physical reps
that he had missed.

Speaker 5 (25:59):
His rookie season is essentially a wash.

Speaker 7 (26:01):
Year two was about get him ready mentally, all those
things to come up playing quarterback, to go out and
play good football. Well, you know he didn't have Justin
Jefferson for the Bolca camp because of a ham straight
you know was connecting with Jordan Adison that didn't have
Addison out of the gate. Then he's miss as a
practice in week two because his baby's born, and then
he gets hurt in week two and missus six weeks.

(26:22):
It's just it's all these things are circumstantial. I don't
think the book is written on on JJ McCarthy. But
you know, somebody yesterday I was talking to compared not
within the building, but somebody compared him to Anthony Richardson,
and I think that there's a comp there. You know,
JJ had played more football than Anthony Richardson has in
terms of starting games. But JJ Elson wasn't throwing the

(26:43):
football a ton. He was throwing the football like eighteen
times a game at Michigan. And then he get into
the NFL with Anthony Richardson were there were flashes, especially
in his rookie season, where you're like, oh man, this dude,
this big fiscal athlete. You know, this could be the
Colts guide. You just got to they got to hone
them and they get them, got to get him the work. Well,
Richardson gets hurt three times as a rookie, he gets
hurt again last year, he gets hurt in the off season.

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He isn't able to beat out Daniel Jones, even though
it wasn't even a clear cut Daniel Jones won that job.
And now we're sitting here going for three years into
Anthony Richardson, like what is he? And you know, in
fairness to JJ McCarthy, I think that we're at that
stage it's like what is he? We've seen some good
The stats are really bad on the whole he's the
least efficient quarterback in the NFL. But you know, it's

(27:27):
kind of a you know, if you were grading him
on the old elementary draft scale, just like Anthony Richardson
or Trey Lance in San Francisco is a similar type
of a case too. I give these guys an incomplete
you know, what are they going to be down the line?
And are we going to find out with JJ in
the Vikings uniform. I can't answer those questions. I do
think that we see him play again this season. I
do think that, you know, this is something where they're

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going to take a hard look at all aspects of
the quarterback position in this offseason and figure out what's
the right way to approach this moving forward.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
A couple final points for Tom Pello Cerol thanks to
Bell Bank.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
Tom.

Speaker 8 (27:58):
I think Sam Donald left on good terms. Everybody loves Sam.
Sounds like everybody in the building is loved by Sam
as well. So it's not really a revenge game. So
do you think this game means a little bit more
to Sam or is it just another week at the office.

Speaker 7 (28:12):
Well, I think that Sam Donald is grateful to you know,
what Minnesota did for him. Frankly, I mean he always
knew coming in, you know, he was probably if JJ
doesn't get hurt, Sam's probably the starter at the beginning
of the season. The fact that JJ got hurt, quite frankly,
may have been the best thing that could have ever
happened to Sam Donald because he didn't have that constant

(28:33):
threat if he had a bad game or a bad series,
it wasn't up but they gonna put JJ in. He
was able, maybe for the first time since his rookie
year with the Jets, to just go, Okay, I'm the guy,
and I'm gonna be able to go out and play free.
And when I throw an interception, you know, I know
that the coach is going to continue to call pass plats.
And Kevin O'Connell, you know, really made that an emphasis.
Hey you throw a pick, I'm coming right back to you.

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You're gonna go out there and do it again.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
You know.

Speaker 7 (28:56):
The way it ended wasn't how anybody wanted. You know,
In terms of the Detroit game, Donald was terrible in
that game. He missed a bunch of throws. You know,
it is what it is. And then in the Rams
game he didn't play great, but the whole team wasn't
good enough, and the fact that they didn't then just
go and say, hey, we're going to pay you know,
Seattle got him for I think it was three years
and one hundred million. You know, hey, we're not going
to pay that because of what happened against the Lions

(29:17):
of the Rams. It was more that type of commitment
means we're keeping JJ off the field for another year
or two, and they just weren't at that at that
phase at that time. Now, when they find out Daniel
Jones is going to Indy, could they pivoted and gone
back and tried to save.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
It with Donald? You know, who knows.

Speaker 7 (29:32):
But for Sam he got to actually go and really
be the dude and not have that person behind him
by going on to the Seahawks. So, you know, certainly
anytime you're playing your old team, I imagine there's some
type of an emotional impact of it. But for Sam Donald,
I mean, he's in an unbelievable spot. Now He's got
Jackson Smith and Jigba who is a bad man and

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is on pace for a two thousand yard receiving season
and is a focal point in that offense. He's got
other weapons in the passing game, the run. Game's kind
of been up and down, but you know you've got
talent there with Kenneth Walker and Zach Charboney. Defensively, Mike
McDonald is as good as any coordinator. They got a
bunch of guys who aren't household names, but they're really tough.
I mean, in a really treacherous NFC West, the Seahawks

(30:16):
can go toe to toe with anybody. He's in a
fantastic spot. And now it's quite likely Max Brosmer who's
got to walk in there and try to.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
Go up against that Seahawks team this week?

Speaker 1 (30:26):
All right.

Speaker 8 (30:27):
Most importantly, there's a bracket on a website called the
sixty four dot com. It is the sixty four biggest
and best sports talk radio shows and podcasts in the country,
The Power Tip Morning Show. Moving on to round three,
we're squaring up against the common Man, Dan Cole fun bracket.
On the other side of the bracket though, Tom Pelosero

(30:47):
nine to noon, Paul Allen in round one, beat Colin Coward,
in round two, beat Dan Patrick, and in round three
squares off against a little show called the Rich Eisen Show.
Oh boy, your thought pa versus your guy Rich Eisen.

Speaker 7 (31:04):
This is a this is a classic, all right, Which
your kids do you like here?

Speaker 5 (31:08):
In this case? Which of my dads do I like? Here? Boy?

Speaker 7 (31:13):
I mean, so this is this is everybody, This is national,
this is local. This is like a mission, man.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
I mean, he's slaying the giants. Man. He took on
Colin Coward and Dan Patrick so far. Look at Pa go.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
No, I'm not surprised.

Speaker 7 (31:27):
I mean, Pa, as you remember Corey, he was He
was very big for the rat Pack back in the day.
Gave me my first opportunity to host a weekly show,
Vikings Uncensored at Joe Censor's Bar and Grill, where various
Vikings players would show up in various states of enjoyment
of their Monday evenings to do that show at like
six pm.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
And Rich has.

Speaker 7 (31:49):
Been you know, he's done a great deal for my
career at this stage. So I think our connections breaking up, Corey.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
I gotta go. I think I think I yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Fair enough, Tommy, you're the best, dude, Thanks man, Happy Thanksgiving, buddy,
there he goes, Yeah, that was the best. He's the best.

Speaker 9 (32:11):
I can listen there and listen to what listen to
that man talk football he's.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Uh, he's kind of connected. You know what he's saying.
Little yep, I'm connected to solar panels. Now it's time for.

Speaker 8 (32:29):
Thanks to my friends at Wolf River Electric and wolfrever
Electric dot com. Go solar and get solar panels. Put
on with Wolf Electric. That person, thank you, You're welcome, sauce.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Blame your dad or maybe blame your mom.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (32:48):
According to a new study, being super impatient might be genetic. No,
believe you, yep, might be Which one of your parents
is more impatient?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Neither? Oh? Neither?

Speaker 4 (33:00):
No?

Speaker 5 (33:01):
Well, I mean they raised you.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
They had to be patient and yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah, you either emulate or your rebel.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, I wonder neither of them are My family? Is
my brother? Isn't?

Speaker 8 (33:11):
Are you the most impatient person that you know? Who's
in the who's in the ballpark? Friends, family, whatever, coworkers,
Who's who's the next.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Closest person that you can think of?

Speaker 6 (33:24):
Nobody is as impatient as I am. I can't think
of anybody who here is the most impatient person outside
of you? Probably common that's probably.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
I seen him. I've seen that, not even on golf.
I've just seen him at restaurants. Really he gives.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Zach, are you looking at your camera right now?

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah? I don't know what's going on. What is going on?
That is ugly? Something? Look like you have your head's
on fire. Yeah, we we're having here going through your
It looks like you're going through an MRI I or
an X ray or something.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, yeah, you look like your head's the sun.

Speaker 8 (34:07):
I wouldn't say you look ugly. You just look impatient.
I am impatient, you know for beauty. Oh, just keep waiting.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Why do I look so like that? I don't know.
I don't know. Chris, your worst nightmare? O?

Speaker 9 (34:22):
What?

Speaker 5 (34:24):
Well?

Speaker 8 (34:24):
Here, let's let's see if you can nail it. You
have like three or four things that you said are
the worst things that you can think of, things that
you constantly worry about. Go ahead, see if you can
get it.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Dead body.

Speaker 9 (34:37):
Uh hm like Dolly Parton passed.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
This is in your top three or four? Uh? Being
like a buried alive nailed it so serious.

Speaker 8 (34:51):
A woman's body showed up at a crematorium in Thailand,
but it turned.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Out she was still alive. Put your hand down, she was, Paul.
I'm not I'm not calling on you.

Speaker 8 (35:03):
What they realized she wasn't dead when they heard a
faint knocking sound from inside the coffin.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
That's just terrible.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
At least they found out then, that's terrible.

Speaker 8 (35:15):
Can you imagine if she didn't have the strength or
power to knock on the commons later and she gets
burned alive, Paul, your hand is still up.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
I don't understand her eye would hawk? Would hawk? What
rescue her? I would hope so.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
She'd say, put me back in the cast. That's terrifying, terrifying.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
That's the top two or three for everyone on Earth.

Speaker 7 (35:44):
Lord.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
Hey, can I give you some real quick Have you
seen her news out of Hong Kong. No, as we speak,
there's a giant, giant fire that has spread from building
the building in a bunch of skyscrapers. Not to bring
the shirt down my punches, but it's I can use
thirteen dead at least right now. People are still trapped
in the towers and most of the people who live
there are sixty five and older. Oh, and the pictures

(36:08):
are incredible. Literally, the fire is spreading from building to
building to building, and they can't reach the people at
the top of the of the buildings.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, it's terrible. Pictures are oh hideous. So there you go.
Now go back to your jokey jokes. Bring it on back.
Do you want to see how pro I am at this? Yeah? Please?
What do you think the record is for the longest

(36:36):
robot walk?

Speaker 8 (36:39):
A robot in China broke the record for the longest
journey walked by a humanoid robot.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
How far did this robot walk? What a fun transition? Interesting?

Speaker 5 (36:48):
I'm ten miles?

Speaker 1 (36:50):
No, no, I best, not very far. I best like
one hundred and thirty yards. I'm gonna go to the opposite.
I'm gonna go like twenty miles. They fall, they pretty easy.
I'm just saying they've got the.

Speaker 8 (37:02):
Balance yet, we'll see sixty six miles, son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Never mind sixty miles. I doubt, I doubt take that.
I wanted to say one hundred. I get so, I
get you scared me.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
I don't know. I like to believe they ain't getting
there yet.

Speaker 8 (37:17):
You guys know those trail cams right, Oh yeah, I
got a bunch of them on patrol cams. So some
guy in Mississippi stole a trail cam. Yeah, but accidentally
or unwittingly recorded himself for two days, and other people
also got arrested after the trail cam caught footage of
various drug activities.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Oh that's fantastic, exactly.

Speaker 9 (37:38):
Yeah, like the nice ones that I have, Like all
the pictures have to go right to your phone and
videos right here phone right.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
That's called the ring cam. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 8 (37:46):
That's pretty cool. We've done this in the past. But
let's see if Sauce's.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Memory retained this.

Speaker 8 (37:54):
I think I'm going to say yes before I even
asked the question.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
You are not vague.

Speaker 8 (37:59):
I think Sauce remember the answer to this trivia question,
quich you're lying?

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Saw some Christopher Columbus made his way over here.

Speaker 8 (38:07):
Yeah, he wrote in his journal in fourteen ninety three
that he saw three mermaids, but he said, quote, they
are not so beautiful as they are said to be.
Do you remember what Christopher Columbus thought were mermaids?

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Dolphins?

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Why do I ever believe in you?

Speaker 3 (38:30):
No?

Speaker 1 (38:30):
I don't know. Oh I should know that I've been
called a manatee. Oh by you, Christopher Allen. You're gonna say,
Christopher Allen Columbus, don't listen to all I said. You
had man tes That's.

Speaker 6 (38:44):
Why I'm sitting with my arms crossed this shirt. I'm
talking to you because I have boobs.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yeah, I love them, big floppy gluppies.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
What its my toe?

Speaker 4 (38:59):
I did kiss your toe? Yeah, I got athlete's lips
right now.

Speaker 8 (39:04):
New in theaters today Zootopia too. It's getting ridiculously good reviews.
The first one was fantastic. It was Zootopia two, out
in theaters today. Let's stack this with other news, Chris,
this is right in your wheelhouse, like it. AMC is
announcing that on December first, that's this Monday, they are

(39:25):
going to sell AMC popcorn passes Brilliant. So it's thirty
bucks a year, but then it gets you fifty percent
off a large popcorn every day of the week, plus
or free roof full per day. So if you go
to the theaters a lot, you have to do the
math and realize if I spend thirty dollars, am I
going to save enough money throughout the year. But if

(39:46):
you go a lot thirty bucks a year, fifty percent
off large popcorns, that's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
That's a pretty good deal. That's a large popcorn, probably right, probably.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Probably one between eight and twelve dollars.

Speaker 8 (40:01):
Okay, so you're saving four to six dollars a shot,
so you're gonna have to go to about five to
six movies to break Eats nothing. It says it costs
twenty nine to ninety nine a year, and you do
not have to get it on Monday.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
It'll be available as an ongoing thing.

Speaker 8 (40:19):
If you buy one, the discount is effective right away
and good through next year.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
That's sweet. That's interesting. Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
I'm in.

Speaker 8 (40:29):
You know, the running joke now with Stranger Things has
been it's been gone for so long that everybody forgot
what the hell is going on. I'm definitely in that camp.
I need to refresh your big time.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (40:37):
This is going to be the most important, like recap
two minute Netflix video that I've ever watched.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
So there's like a whole.

Speaker 8 (40:44):
List of things here, even in our prep service, ten
things you probably forgot about that are key to this
final season, and I read through them. I won't do
it because it's they're filled with spoilers as well. I
think I remembered about two of the ten. That's how
little I remember. Because it's been so long, I remember
none of them.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 8 (41:02):
But season five starts today. The first four episodes I
believe are available right now. Then there's more on Christmas Day,
I think, and then the finale is New Year's Eve. Wow,
and again the new and the finale is the one
that's in theaters.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 9 (41:17):
Well, I can say the one thing that's noticeable for
me obviously it's been so long, like Gianna and eleven,
like that was like her older ego forever.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
McCarthy is nine and Gianna is eleven.

Speaker 9 (41:28):
Great, but it has been a lot of it, Like
she's not doesn't seem to be as excited about as
she was, you know, back in the day.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
But we'll see once it actually comes out.

Speaker 8 (41:38):
And all the other jokes about how all the Stranger
Things kids now are like forty seven years old. Have
you seen some of their press junkets to promote this.
The one kid legitimately has a full beard. I'm not joking.
Everybody else looks like they're in their late twenties. I
think they're probably mostly in their early twenties, but they
all look like adults. It's kind of freaky. So I

(41:59):
don't know how they're going to make them all look
like kids. For this final season because it's set in
eighty seven. I think, yeah, it's supposed to be I
think eighteen months after the last season. I have no
idea how they're going to make them look young because
none of them look young.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
You It's like the movie Grease. Half of them were
in their thirties when they filmed that, and the one
guy has a full five o'clock shadow throughout the movie.

Speaker 8 (42:21):
The final season is saved by the Bell Slater was
her grandfather.

Speaker 6 (42:26):
The one lady who's the real uh, the real loose
lady that heart likes, Lady lady in Grease?

Speaker 1 (42:34):
What's her name?

Speaker 5 (42:35):
Rizzo?

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah? Rizzo. She was like thirty four when they filmed that.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah, she was perfect, perfect aged.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yeah, I like her. She's mean Rizzo? Would you have still?
Is she dead?

Speaker 5 (42:49):
All right?

Speaker 8 (42:49):
I have no idea what the science is behind this,
But there's this new Japanese style floor futon that is
getting trendy because some experts are saying you should be.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Sleep being lower to the floor.

Speaker 8 (43:02):
I don't understand the logic there, but they're saying, if
you're four feet off the ground and you're in one
of those cloudy fluffy beds, you should be lower to
the floor for health reasons. I don't get it. I'm
just reporting the news.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Interesting.

Speaker 8 (43:15):
Interesting, So get one of those Japanese style floor futons.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Apparently no last one.

Speaker 8 (43:22):
A new study found that if you do a social
media detox, because they had three hundred young adults try this,
where you avoid social media for an entire week, they
found you actually spend more time on your phone. You
just find other apps and things to use that aren't
social media. So those kids detached from social media, but

(43:44):
we're on their phone more, Well, that weird.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
That's weird. I would bet I would.

Speaker 8 (43:50):
I would suggest again going on big like adventures. Internationally,
best feeling in the world is to be off your
phone for about a week straight on. It feels awesome.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
I love it. Then you come back and you.

Speaker 8 (44:02):
Jump right back in the cesspool and you go, oh god,
this again.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Want to throw your phone away? Yeah? All right, guys,
we made it. We did it. We turned twenty four
on Friday. We're gonna make a huge.

Speaker 8 (44:13):
Deal about it because every other show in the station
hates it.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yep, we just right till next year.

Speaker 8 (44:18):
So Thanksgiving tomorrow, everybody, have an awesome Thanksgiving we're back
seven to nine on Friday and Black Friday. We are
live at Mall of America Parish. You'll be there, Oh, Marnie,
you'll be there. I will Comaro might swing by.

Speaker 6 (44:32):
Tommy, you might have a couple of might might be thereby.

Speaker 8 (44:37):
Hell yeah, the whole band might be there. Yeah, hot
ass Rain he might be there. No, he passed away.
Is he coming to your house arm for Thanksgiving?

Speaker 6 (44:46):
No?

Speaker 8 (44:47):
He said he's like having dinner with the Lizard people
or something.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
I didn't know what that meant. Nine to noon is next.
See you Black Friday, seven.

Speaker 6 (44:55):
To nine.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
On it for day you too, ab A Dabba. Can't
wait to have some turkey with you. So grateful, Thanks everybody,