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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bright bart News International editor Francis Martell, I got to
come up with a better wet friend of the Project,
project regular, my bestie from Jersey, my soulmate in another life.
There's got to be a better way to introduce you
to the show. And I appreciate you coming on, especially
to talk about something so serious. But you know the
(00:21):
tone I strike You're familiar by now. I don't know
if you've noticed on my I don't know if you
ever scour my Twitter, my ex like I scrutinize yours, Francis,
but I'm a fan. You may have noticed in the
last month two months, I have done a lot of
(00:41):
coverage of what's going on in Iran and how much
the Iranian people they want a regime change. They got
an uprising, they know it comes from within. I've had
some amazing conversations with people from NCRI, NCRI Alternative Rajavi.
I believe who's seeking to rise to power there, and
(01:05):
I think it's lost on a lot of people. That's
why I wanted to have you on. Tell me if
I'm wrong. Like the Iranian people that I'm hearing from
him that I've had on, do they represent all Iranians
know they couldn't possibly, but it feels like they represent
a lot of them. They want a regime change. They
don't hate Israel. They live in fear every day, They've
(01:25):
lived this way for close to half a century, and
they're not even necessarily down on Trump's mood. They don't
want a nuclear Iran. They don't hate Americans like I
believed as a an eighth grader who watched the hostage crisis,
I remember thinking, who are these people? Why do they
hate us? They don't the regime does. Trump did what
(01:47):
he had to do. But how do we go about
if we even can helping with a regime change there?
I don't think we can, and that's the only way
we get any Iran gets anywhere is a regime change.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
There's a lot to unpackt there. First of all, thank
you so much for having me back. I love hearing
show best. See that you are and to come back
on something this serious. There is zero evidence that there
is any substantial support for the Iranian regime from the
Iranian people. That is one hundred percent true. I think
(02:20):
the problem that groups like NCRII have is the problem
that almost every dissident group outside of a country has,
which is that there's you know, they do have support internally,
but they don't really have any political leverage on the inside.
They their major role internationally is to remind people that
(02:41):
the Iranian people don't like this and to encourage countries
to distance themselves from the Iranian regime, to not funded,
to not help it survive. But outside of that, if
there is a collapse of the regime, it's very difficult
to get an organization that you know, is deeply or
organized and structured in placed, like you know, Germany, to
(03:04):
actually like implant itself in. And then that's a problem
that every government has that's not unique to Iran. You know,
I'm Cuban. I've been watching this and Cuba has the
exact same problem where no one supports the regime, but
there's no structured opposition that could just come in and
build our government if that regime collapses, and that's by designs.
Every dictatorship does this where they just crush the opposition,
(03:28):
so that there's always a fear of if you do
topple this regime, what fills that vacuum. And in the
Middle East, that's especially terrifying because we've seen time and
time again that if you do rapidly destroy a regime
from the outside without any plan, the vacuum immediately gets
filled with just Jihattis and terrorists and all sorts of rogues,
(03:51):
and you have a serious problem. So that, I think
is the big problem that we have in Iran now
is that, of course no one wants this regime. Of
course everyone wants us to go away. It's run by
this like eighty something year old who like no one
even knows if he's fully there in the head, and
he wants nukes, and the leadership is just completely out
(04:13):
of touch with the people that you know, it's not
even legal to dance in some ways like in Iran,
like this simple dancing in the street. If you show
your hair incorrectly in Iran as a woman, you can
get beat to death. That's happened to many young women.
So we all want it gone. But the regime has
very efficiently erased any organized dissidence internally, so if you
(04:39):
topple them, there's nobody there that takes the place.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Well, what about this Miriam Rajavi, who's ready to go
and a much better option, obviously, I think it goes
without saying, then baby Sha, I don't even know what
to make a baby sha sounds like a sounds like
a bad rap artist from the nineties.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Well, yeah, you know, as an American, I laugh at
all pretenders to any throne. I just monarchy is not
my thing. And especially if you're somebody who's you know,
your claim to running a country is that your dad
ran it and then failed.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah yeah, yeah, But like you said, they don't have
a say. They don't. They don't have fair elections. They don't,
which is why I find this Mariam Rajavi who's got
a ten point plan. I can help it. Sometimes, Francis
and I feel badly about this. I get these huge
(05:38):
dms from people in Iran. I could read excerpts from
some to you or share some with you, and there's
a hopefulness, but also like this feeling of futility, like yeah,
there's this disciplan and yes, this viable option, and we
want to like right here. Thank you Vinnie Penn for
spotlighting the fight for a democratic Iran. Internal change, not
(06:00):
top down action, could bring peace with Israel, halt nukes,
where Javi's got a ten point plan that offers hope,
backed by sixty percent regime change odds, and I continue
to read the letter, but there's this feeling of never
going to happen, Like don't I don't see it happen,
and I don't see a way that the United States
(06:21):
can help it to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well, yeah, and this is someone that you know, ra
Javi has a lot of support internationally from the diaspora,
but internally, you know, she's not there, She hasn't been there,
and I think a lot of Iranians inside the country
would be resistant to having someone flop in from the
outside and just be like I'm present and noun and
I'm running everything.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
What do you mean she's not there? But you mean
that quite literally.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, yeah, Like she's clearly present in the struggle. But
these figures that are international, and this goes for the
Shah pretender also, you know, they're not in the trenches,
and there's going to be a lot of resistance to that. Again,
this is not unique. We were on every country where
the dictatorship has this problem, or you have advocates that
are outside the country that are more well known internationally,
(07:10):
but you're going to have resistance from the people. You know,
the people being freed from Evan prison hopefully in the
near future. That are political prisoners who have actually been
there to someone who is leading, you know, a movement
outside and is doing advocacy and is going to UN events.
And it looks very cushy. If you're living in Iran, you.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Know, that's interesting. What do you make of of all things?
One article I caught of yours is Hamas condemned Trump
jew Trump that's brutal. When Hamas is saying, yow, brutal aggression,
I didn't know what to make of that.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Well, you know, I was thinking of the This is
kind of you know, I don't know if the audience
will get the reference. But the Tim Robinson sketch where
he's dressed in a hot dog costume asking we're all
looking who did this? And it's like, clearly the guy
in the hot dog costume did this. Hamas is the
guy in the hotok costume. Without October seventh, we wouldn't
be here today. So the audacity for HAMAS, which is
(08:12):
an Iran backed proxy group, to come out and say,
you know, this horrible thing the United States is doing,
we condemn it. How could they even possibly have gotten here? Well,
we got here because you ran into a music festival
and massacred everybody and has abducted people and killed babies.
Like without October seventh, we wouldn't be where we are
today with Iran, and Iran has bankrolled Hamas to the
(08:35):
tune of one hundred million dollars a year, And so
it's all hypocrisy, and it's all trying to obscure the
original triggering event of the current crisis in the Middle East,
which was October seventh, and starting on October eighth, they
started trying to erase it. You know, you saw people
like Aridwana and Turkey coming out and saying Hamas is
(08:55):
not a terrorist organization. He said that like on October twentieth,
twenty twenty three or something like that. So the Hamas
whining is essentially a way too obscure. How did we
get here in the first place, which is one hundred
percent the fault of this Iranian axis of resistance quote unquote,
which is just a bunch of terrorists that regularly target
(09:17):
civilians and families.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
All right, so first of all, you made a reference
to I think you should leave the funniest show on television,
and then you just moved on. That guy's the funniest
dude on the planet right now. Did you see the
movie Friendship he did with Paul Rudd too. He's just
the game changer that got caught up. Yeah, I know
you got.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I find that show tremendously off putting, but it actually
does help me understand like Middle East politics in some
ways all applicable.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I'm sorry you can't bring Tim Robbinson up and expect
me to maintain anything.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
But you appreciate it more than conversation was too serious.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
We really turned the corner on that one. Not now
it's it's beyond besting. I might be crushing. Now, let
me ask you this, and again it's Breitbart News International
editor Francis Martell, just point blank, do you think Trump
did the right thing? And do you think he did
it the right way? Do you support what Trump did?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yes, yes, one hundred percent, because I support zero boots
on the ground, zero American infantry. But I don't support
isolationism and cowardice. And the alternative to what we did
was to let Iran continue with nuclear development. You know,
God knows how safe those facilities or you know, we
don't want never mind nuking Israel, which is obviously the
(10:41):
Ranian goal, but you know, some sort of Chernobyl situation.
There's so many things that could have gone so wrong
if we didn't act. And again that's there's a big
difference between targeted strikes on something that is clearly very
dangerous and boots on the ground. I'm not one of
those like we gotta go in there and just like
(11:01):
you know, do the son on Hussein thing, but we
got to do something. You can't just let something like
that fester.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah. And when Trump comes out and just matter of
factly says in that way that he does, it was
one hundred percent success. It is so successful it was
you know, admittedly does that all the time, but to
me it does appear to have been successful. Our boys
are and girls are back home. Would you say, yeah, man,
(11:29):
it was successful. We took them out.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah. And he has a good track record on this.
This is something that the Vice president brought up when
you know, he was criticized for supporting this stuff. I
still am traumatized from the fallout on Twitter when President
Trump bombed bshar Lasad, the Syrian I think he targeted
like Syrian air bases and took out some fighter jets,
(11:53):
and that was while Chijinking was at mar A Lago,
Like Kijinking was having a chocolate cake next to Trump,
and Trump just bombed us and every all of the
usual suspects on the isolation is right. We're saying we're
going to get into a war. We're gonna be in
Syria for twenty years, you know, no war for oil,
Bush's Hitler, all this stuff, and nothing happens. He conducted
(12:16):
the targeted air strikes, they succeeded, and he got out
of the way and Assad is gone. So I think he's, like,
you know, like Van said, earned some trust on this.
We haven't seen any in anything in Trump's track record
that is like the sort of Lindsey Graham, John McCain,
you know, we have to be there forever kind of
thought process. He's very like in and out, we're gonna
(12:38):
have targeted missions that make Americans say, for the solely
MONI strike same thing. He killed the most important person
in the Iranian military. He got out and he's done,
and so that's, you know, that's the pattern. He might
change that pattern in the future, but there's no evidence
in his past record that that Trump's looking for like
a long term war here.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
No, which is why I don't understand some on the left. Oh,
he's war hunger. He goes out of his way to
say it's the last thing he wants
Bright bart News International editor Francis Martell, I got to
come up with a better wet friend of the Project,
project regular, my bestie from Jersey, my soulmate in another life.
There's got to be a better way to introduce you
to the show. And I appreciate you coming on, especially
to talk about something so serious. But you know the
(00:21):
tone I strike You're familiar by now. I don't know
if you've noticed on my I don't know if you
ever scour my Twitter, my ex like I scrutinize yours, Francis,
but I'm a fan. You may have noticed in the
last month two months, I have done a lot of
(00:41):
coverage of what's going on in Iran and how much
the Iranian people they want a regime change. They got
an uprising, they know it comes from within. I've had
some amazing conversations with people from NCRI, NCRI Alternative Rajavi.
I believe who's seeking to rise to power there, and
(01:05):
I think it's lost on a lot of people. That's
why I wanted to have you on. Tell me if
I'm wrong. Like the Iranian people that I'm hearing from
him that I've had on, do they represent all Iranians
know they couldn't possibly, but it feels like they represent
a lot of them. They want a regime change. They
don't hate Israel. They live in fear every day, They've
(01:25):
lived this way for close to half a century, and
they're not even necessarily down on Trump's mood. They don't
want a nuclear Iran. They don't hate Americans like I
believed as a an eighth grader who watched the hostage crisis,
I remember thinking, who are these people? Why do they
hate us? They don't the regime does. Trump did what
(01:47):
he had to do. But how do we go about
if we even can helping with a regime change there?
I don't think we can, and that's the only way
we get any Iran gets anywhere is a regime change.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
There's a lot to unpackt there. First of all, thank
you so much for having me back. I love hearing
show best. See that you are and to come back
on something this serious. There is zero evidence that there
is any substantial support for the Iranian regime from the
Iranian people. That is one hundred percent true. I think
(02:20):
the problem that groups like NCRII have is the problem
that almost every dissident group outside of a country has,
which is that there's you know, they do have support internally,
but they don't really have any political leverage on the inside.
They their major role internationally is to remind people that
(02:41):
the Iranian people don't like this and to encourage countries
to distance themselves from the Iranian regime, to not funded,
to not help it survive. But outside of that, if
there is a collapse of the regime, it's very difficult
to get an organization that you know, is deeply or
organized and structured in placed, like you know, Germany, to
(03:04):
actually like implant itself in. And then that's a problem
that every government has that's not unique to Iran. You know,
I'm Cuban. I've been watching this and Cuba has the
exact same problem where no one supports the regime, but
there's no structured opposition that could just come in and
build our government if that regime collapses, and that's by designs.
Every dictatorship does this where they just crush the opposition,
(03:28):
so that there's always a fear of if you do
topple this regime, what fills that vacuum. And in the
Middle East, that's especially terrifying because we've seen time and
time again that if you do rapidly destroy a regime
from the outside without any plan, the vacuum immediately gets
filled with just Jihattis and terrorists and all sorts of rogues,
(03:51):
and you have a serious problem. So that, I think
is the big problem that we have in Iran now
is that, of course no one wants this regime. Of
course everyone wants us to go away. It's run by
this like eighty something year old who like no one
even knows if he's fully there in the head, and
he wants nukes, and the leadership is just completely out
(04:13):
of touch with the people that you know, it's not
even legal to dance in some ways like in Iran,
like this simple dancing in the street. If you show
your hair incorrectly in Iran as a woman, you can
get beat to death. That's happened to many young women.
So we all want it gone. But the regime has
very efficiently erased any organized dissidence internally, so if you
(04:39):
topple them, there's nobody there that takes the place.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Well, what about this Miriam Rajavi, who's ready to go
and a much better option, obviously, I think it goes
without saying, then baby Sha, I don't even know what
to make a baby sha sounds like a sounds like
a bad rap artist from the nineties.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Well, yeah, you know, as an American, I laugh at
all pretenders to any throne. I just monarchy is not
my thing. And especially if you're somebody who's you know,
your claim to running a country is that your dad
ran it and then failed.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah yeah, yeah, But like you said, they don't have
a say. They don't. They don't have fair elections. They don't,
which is why I find this Mariam Rajavi who's got
a ten point plan. I can help it. Sometimes, Francis
and I feel badly about this. I get these huge
(05:38):
dms from people in Iran. I could read excerpts from
some to you or share some with you, and there's
a hopefulness, but also like this feeling of futility, like yeah,
there's this disciplan and yes, this viable option, and we
want to like right here. Thank you Vinnie Penn for
spotlighting the fight for a democratic Iran. Internal change, not
(06:00):
top down action, could bring peace with Israel, halt nukes,
where Javi's got a ten point plan that offers hope,
backed by sixty percent regime change odds, and I continue
to read the letter, but there's this feeling of never
going to happen, Like don't I don't see it happen,
and I don't see a way that the United States
(06:21):
can help it to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well, yeah, and this is someone that you know, ra
Javi has a lot of support internationally from the diaspora,
but internally, you know, she's not there, She hasn't been there,
and I think a lot of Iranians inside the country
would be resistant to having someone flop in from the
outside and just be like I'm present and noun and
I'm running everything.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
What do you mean she's not there? But you mean
that quite literally.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, yeah, Like she's clearly present in the struggle. But
these figures that are international, and this goes for the
Shah pretender also, you know, they're not in the trenches,
and there's going to be a lot of resistance to that. Again,
this is not unique. We were on every country where
the dictatorship has this problem, or you have advocates that
are outside the country that are more well known internationally,
(07:10):
but you're going to have resistance from the people. You know,
the people being freed from Evan prison hopefully in the
near future. That are political prisoners who have actually been
there to someone who is leading, you know, a movement
outside and is doing advocacy and is going to UN events.
And it looks very cushy. If you're living in Iran, you.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Know, that's interesting. What do you make of of all things?
One article I caught of yours is Hamas condemned Trump
jew Trump that's brutal. When Hamas is saying, yow, brutal aggression,
I didn't know what to make of that.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Well, you know, I was thinking of the This is
kind of you know, I don't know if the audience
will get the reference. But the Tim Robinson sketch where
he's dressed in a hot dog costume asking we're all
looking who did this? And it's like, clearly the guy
in the hot dog costume did this. Hamas is the
guy in the hotok costume. Without October seventh, we wouldn't
be here today. So the audacity for HAMAS, which is
(08:12):
an Iran backed proxy group, to come out and say,
you know, this horrible thing the United States is doing,
we condemn it. How could they even possibly have gotten here? Well,
we got here because you ran into a music festival
and massacred everybody and has abducted people and killed babies.
Like without October seventh, we wouldn't be where we are
today with Iran, and Iran has bankrolled Hamas to the
(08:35):
tune of one hundred million dollars a year, And so
it's all hypocrisy, and it's all trying to obscure the
original triggering event of the current crisis in the Middle East,
which was October seventh, and starting on October eighth, they
started trying to erase it. You know, you saw people
like Aridwana and Turkey coming out and saying Hamas is
(08:55):
not a terrorist organization. He said that like on October twentieth,
twenty twenty three or something like that. So the Hamas
whining is essentially a way too obscure. How did we
get here in the first place, which is one hundred
percent the fault of this Iranian axis of resistance quote unquote,
which is just a bunch of terrorists that regularly target
(09:17):
civilians and families.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
All right, so first of all, you made a reference
to I think you should leave the funniest show on television,
and then you just moved on. That guy's the funniest
dude on the planet right now. Did you see the
movie Friendship he did with Paul Rudd too. He's just
the game changer that got caught up. Yeah, I know
you got.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I find that show tremendously off putting, but it actually
does help me understand like Middle East politics in some
ways all applicable.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I'm sorry you can't bring Tim Robbinson up and expect
me to maintain anything.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
But you appreciate it more than conversation was too serious.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
We really turned the corner on that one. Not now
it's it's beyond besting. I might be crushing. Now, let
me ask you this, and again it's Breitbart News International
editor Francis Martell, just point blank, do you think Trump
did the right thing? And do you think he did
it the right way? Do you support what Trump did?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yes, yes, one hundred percent, because I support zero boots
on the ground, zero American infantry. But I don't support
isolationism and cowardice. And the alternative to what we did
was to let Iran continue with nuclear development. You know,
God knows how safe those facilities or you know, we
don't want never mind nuking Israel, which is obviously the
(10:41):
Ranian goal, but you know, some sort of Chernobyl situation.
There's so many things that could have gone so wrong
if we didn't act. And again that's there's a big
difference between targeted strikes on something that is clearly very
dangerous and boots on the ground. I'm not one of
those like we gotta go in there and just like
(11:01):
you know, do the son on Hussein thing, but we
got to do something. You can't just let something like
that fester.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah. And when Trump comes out and just matter of
factly says in that way that he does, it was
one hundred percent success. It is so successful it was
you know, admittedly does that all the time, but to
me it does appear to have been successful. Our boys
are and girls are back home. Would you say, yeah, man,
(11:29):
it was successful. We took them out.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah. And he has a good track record on this.
This is something that the Vice president brought up when
you know, he was criticized for supporting this stuff. I
still am traumatized from the fallout on Twitter when President
Trump bombed bshar Lasad, the Syrian I think he targeted
like Syrian air bases and took out some fighter jets,
(11:53):
and that was while Chijinking was at mar A Lago,
Like Kijinking was having a chocolate cake next to Trump,
and Trump just bombed us and every all of the
usual suspects on the isolation is right. We're saying we're
going to get into a war. We're gonna be in
Syria for twenty years, you know, no war for oil,
Bush's Hitler, all this stuff, and nothing happens. He conducted
(12:16):
the targeted air strikes, they succeeded, and he got out
of the way and Assad is gone. So I think he's, like,
you know, like Van said, earned some trust on this.
We haven't seen any in anything in Trump's track record
that is like the sort of Lindsey Graham, John McCain,
you know, we have to be there forever kind of
thought process. He's very like in and out, we're gonna
(12:38):
have targeted missions that make Americans say, for the solely
MONI strike same thing. He killed the most important person
in the Iranian military. He got out and he's done,
and so that's, you know, that's the pattern. He might
change that pattern in the future, but there's no evidence
in his past record that that Trump's looking for like
a long term war here.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
No, which is why I don't understand some on the left. Oh,
he's war hunger. He goes out of his way to
say it's the last thing he wants
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