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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ashley Fon. She's the founder and CEO of We Are One.
I received an email from ms Fon on Monday telling
me her story, and she just recently returned from the
United Nations Advocacy Summit in DC, representing Survivor Voices from Connecticut,
(00:21):
honored as a twenty twenty five Department of Justice Survivor
Voices Award nominee with support from local law enforcement and
community partners, and doing a lot of speaking engagements. I
have to ask you, actually, did you just reach out
on Monday happenstance or was it? Did you? What was
(00:44):
the reason for the Monday? Then? I think I know,
but what was the reason?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Okay? So a great friend and old and old friend
from Branford, Ken Engelman from Community Volunteers United, he reached
out to me because I had been posting some of
the Advocacy Summit media and he reached out to me.
It's like, why don't you talk to Jinny parn send
him an email? And that is exactly what I did.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Oh, that's great. You didn't mention his name. Yeah, he's
a great guy and very charitable. I assumed it was
due to a clip that I posted.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
About then I saw that.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, about trafficing, you know, because it is. It's something
I've been talking about long before I came back and
started this show in twenty ten. I think I was
talking about it in Casey one on one and how
Americans like to convince themselves. I think less so now.
(01:41):
But sex trafficking, Oh yeah, man, that's very real issue
in Europe. And it's like, no, that's a very real issue.
Right And when I say right here, I've been right here,
even in Connecticut. We're finally kind of getting there. But
back then, everybody just thought that was it, that was
a European problem, and it's just a true.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Well, I want to say thank you for bringing awareness
to that, I thought so. I a little bit of
background me. I studied media at Fairfield View, and that
is kind of how I escaped from my fan I
don't want to say escape, but I learned to live
away from my my trafficking family. I was born into
a trafficking family from me right out of New Haven.
(02:19):
I'm from over near Exit eight. I'm from I'm from
Way Boston Street. Yeah, so I'm from like New Haven.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Where the root.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Is Rude eighty gang exactly the exiting gang. I grew
up in the dash house, in the house that had
kind of the the labor traffic family that displaced labor
traffic family that kind of was run for crime. And honestly,
what's been going on forever if you really think about it,
(02:53):
we haven't had a big organized crime bus. And I'm
not saying anything that law enforcement does a great job.
You know what it is policy, policy, lack of media awareness.
We have big organized crime busts in other states, but
can you think of one big organized crime bust in
New Haven?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
No? No, wow. I read the message read I literally
read the message on the area. This is years ago
at this point where when the police, the NHPD and
I'm with our boys and girls in blue, I am,
but they they announced it was kind of tragic and
it's a bit maybe too much of a sidebarb because
(03:32):
I want to get to your story because it sounds
like I have a story and your work. But they
announced we're not doing any more any more busts. They
actually announced this is about close to ten years ago.
We're not doing any more busts as far as prostitution
rings are concerned, because we're bringing too much shame on
women who otherwise don't have a choice. They're like mothers
(03:54):
in the community. And I thought, so, you're just not
going to stop prosly, what a weird salution that.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
And and I work directly with the distance, okay, And
I also collaborate directly with law enforcement, state, local, federal, and.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I realized that they're I realized really quickly that that's
coming down from the top. They're being told that, and like, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Absolutely, And it took me along time, Like it took
me lots of hard work and meetings with detectives and
like really getting my foot in the door for you know,
law enforcements to trust me to say enough to like
like an old school journalist to say, like Ashley, don't
use my name, but this is policy. Like like, some
(04:40):
detectives have told me that they have submitted arrest warrant
for say the Asian massac follows the sex trafficking site
throughout the state, and they've been told someone at the
courthouse don't submit it again. And it's written on there
like don't we were told not to submit again?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
And what universe is that is that helping the justice
system and the visdom it's like being told. And similarly
with the specifically with the Asian sex trafficking, it's not
a case by case basis where they have to call
the prosecutor or New Haven. And when a detective told
me that, I go, no wonder, no law enforcement agent
(05:24):
ty can handle an investigation of Asian sex trafficking. And
let's be honest, it's Chinese organized crime duff what that is? Yeah,
so obviously, like how are they going to investigate when
they've got to call the prosecutor for direction every side?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, well, let's be really let's be really honest, Ashley,
because it sounds like you are twenty four to seven.
What if they do continue with the Asian sex trafficking
and start taking down We're communities are going to fall.
They're going to be fathers are going to be dentists
(06:02):
and school teachers and people.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
That's already happenings.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Names are going to come up. We're married men with families,
community minded, and they shy away in their real offices.
You know how it goes. Are going to be like
that's so and so. He's a big roller, he's a
big donor, he's key in town. We got to keep
this quiet, and that's wrong. We're corroded.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
We're corrosing exactly. But if you think historically of any
anybody that's reported abuse, Okay, let's talk about like the
Pdaty case. Okay, the first thing that's going to happen is,
oh but he's a father. Oh but he's a businessman.
Oh that's the first That is our go through. That
is the inculturation is to perfect the accused abuser, not
(06:45):
to protect the victim. And let me tell you, when
law enforcement has enough evidence typically, let me say, I
dealt with false arrests and everything, but typically a good
law enforcement agency, when they have enough information just in
a rest warrant to get signed by a prosecutor and
a judge, and it's especially with tech trafficking, there's usually
(07:09):
enough evidence to convict and then it just comes down
to how much money do you have to make it
go away?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah? Well, when then when you talked about, there's usually
enough to convict that ultimately, you know, it lands in
the lap of a judge, and a whole lot of
judges names are on those lists too. Let's just be honest.
I mean, that's it honest. But actually, let me ask
you this and again morom is actually fun. I encourage
you to look into we are one h is the
(07:37):
I want to get the website right too, is it?
We are one I NCS dot.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Com, I NCS dot com. We are one incs plural inks?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, okay. I just wanted to make sure I got
the website right.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Update our website often because I have I have actually
a University of Albany pre losting that does my website.
I have a great networ antionwide network.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
You seem to, yeah, you seem to, I'm pretty underground.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
But our Instagram page. I would go to our Instagram page.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I see you on Instagram. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah. Instagram is where and I do the media there
and and it gets updated. More websites are kind of
old school, which I appreciate, But the Instagram is really
where where we ask our followers to follow along to
get educated. All of our information is easily vetted, so
anything we share on there you can trust is in
(08:31):
real time information that's going to keep you informed in
the moment.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I want to make sure I'd stay on top of that.
But not to pick at a scab here. But you
do do so many speaking engagements. You say, I'm a
you wrote to me, I'm a survivor of familial human trafficking.
You've already mentioned that on the show earlier. Tell me
your story. What do you what type of labor, sex
(08:56):
and the family mom and dad, and like, what's the story.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, so I'm gonna start with full and I'm going
to start with I did not know. This is the
most A lot of people are amazed by this. I
did not know that I was, by definition a classic
case of child sex and labor trafficking until last year.
(09:21):
I had no idea. I had absolutely no idea until
I was invited. And that is like two years into
my nonprofit working with victims. I'm walking around the street
looking for it, like I love a survivor to go
on camera and start talking. And so I got invited
to this event. It was a Grace Farms Foundation event,
which is an organization that fights the slaves for the
(09:43):
modern day slavery within the supply chain. They're out of
New Canaan. They hosted this event that was basically a
blueprint of all of the law enforcement agencies I would
need to work with, the witness protection contacts, FBI contact
and it was it was like it was called a symposium,
survivor focused symposium, And I walked out of there with
(10:06):
like connections to state police, connections to the US Department
of Labor, like all the connections I needed. But I
was cratching my head. I'm like, oh my god, I
am by definition a child labor traffic victim. And then
I got a victim's advocate later that year to learn
that my body and my medical records proved that I'm
(10:31):
a survivor of baby sexual abuse, like very very young
child sexual abuse. So yeah, my baby, and that's that's
where the pedophile that's where then all the family secrets
that kind of were swept under the rug. And so
I'm going to give you a little It's kind of
hard to follow, but I'll start with my father was
(10:54):
a South Vietnamese general, So shout out to all the
veterans because they've they've had my back for a while.
My father fought alongside the Americans, and he was imprisoned
for eight years and then he he came here. He
married the first woman he met out of New Haven.
(11:17):
I think because he suffered from some PTSD. He had
lost his wife and two kids in Vietnam. So he
just wanted to start over. So he married my mother,
who Native American raised by an alcoholic carpenter. Carpenter that
worked for the concrete business. Sorry laying out there. He
(11:41):
worked for the concrete business in New Haven. We're listening
with that old school you were my grandfather. My grandfather
was awesome, but he was a bad alcoholic. His brother
was a pedophile who molested all of the girls, all
of his daughters, which caused severe mental health issues. He
(12:04):
ran his kids for crime. He beat his own wife,
my grandma, my best friend. He beat his own wife.
But he made up for that later in life.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
But that was the And.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I'd like to take a moment so that people know,
like I'm not when I talk about that old school
that was. You're from the area, so you know that
was life back then. If you lived in that area.
There were things that you were ran to do. But
then but then things changed and people got educations. And
(12:37):
so I get a lot of backlash from from some
Italian saying, oh, you're walking around saying organized crime. I go,
did I ever say Italian? Did I ever say I
say organized crime when I talk about organized crime? Now
I'm talking about Carpel and China and Russia. I'm not
talking about because I went to Fairfield. You I know,
(12:57):
the next generation. I am the next generation. So yeah,
my father married my mom who had that history of
being molested by her uncle and the problem with dad,
especially since my mom and her siblings were run Have
you ever heard of this saying west Haven Gypsy's and Deans.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I mean, not necessarily the west Haven end of the equation,
but I mean I get what you mean.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, like like rummage through your house, feel your stuff,
but help you look for it for a week. That
type of manipulation.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you put it that way, sure,
very well, yeah, very well. That describes the majority of
my friends growing up.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Here, and they think it's funny. It's just yeah, So
that is what I come from, and I didn't so
imagine I grew up in a trailer park. I started
in New Haven and then I grew up in a
trailer park in Branford, overn Ivyrford.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah. Well I moved out there about ten years ago.
I'm there now. Yes, But you're saying, so you weren't
a seven, eight nine year old girl, you have no
memory of what memory.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Of sexual abuse, no memory, no memory of it. But
do you want to know how? I know my mother
should have known, And.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yes, I absolutely do. I think our listeners need to
know how to because it's it's it's about recognizing signs
and identifying actual red flags, not the ones memes tell
us are red flags exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
And the red flags were so prominent they were, they
were screen like. I couldn't have been more of a
child screaming. My body was screaming, get me to a doctor.
So we'll start with at five years old. I put
all the little kids in the trailer park in a
in a little you know those like Disher Price or
(14:56):
little tight houses, those little plastic houses.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, the tight houses you Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I instructed all the kids to take the clothes off
because I want to see all the different parts. That's
the kids do when they are abused. And I'm not
talking about the regular playing doctor kids do that. I'm
talking about I instructed everyone to do it. I so
whomever had been abusing me was grooming me to be
a recruiter because I was a leader, you see. So
(15:26):
what did the kids do? What are kids going to
do when when inappropriate acts like that?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
What they're going to tell the mom right, Well, you'd
like to think so. It's very important, especially to a
lot of parents in my generation. I feel like, and
I'm fifty eight years old. They think these are conversations
you have with kids when they're twelve thirteen. No, my daughter,
it's a big joke with hers. I was saying stuff
to her at three. Jen X thinks, oh, yeah, you
(15:53):
have that conversation going into middle school. No, you have
that conversation before school even starts.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It's
Ashley Fon. She's the founder and CEO of We Are One.
I received an email from ms Fon on Monday telling
me her story, and she just recently returned from the
United Nations Advocacy Summit in DC, representing Survivor Voices from Connecticut,
(00:21):
honored as a twenty twenty five Department of Justice Survivor
Voices Award nominee with support from local law enforcement and
community partners, and doing a lot of speaking engagements. I
have to ask you, actually, did you just reach out
on Monday happenstance or was it? Did you? What was
(00:44):
the reason for the Monday? Then? I think I know,
but what was the reason?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Okay? So a great friend and old and old friend
from Branford, Ken Engelman from Community Volunteers United, he reached
out to me because I had been posting some of
the Advocacy Summit media and he reached out to me.
It's like, why don't you talk to Jinny parn send
him an email? And that is exactly what I did.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Oh, that's great. You didn't mention his name. Yeah, he's
a great guy and very charitable. I assumed it was
due to a clip that I posted.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
About then I saw that.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, about trafficing, you know, because it is. It's something
I've been talking about long before I came back and
started this show in twenty ten. I think I was
talking about it in Casey one on one and how
Americans like to convince themselves. I think less so now.
(01:41):
But sex trafficking, Oh yeah, man, that's very real issue
in Europe. And it's like, no, that's a very real issue.
Right And when I say right here, I've been right here,
even in Connecticut. We're finally kind of getting there. But
back then, everybody just thought that was it, that was
a European problem, and it's just a true.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Well, I want to say thank you for bringing awareness
to that, I thought so. I a little bit of
background me. I studied media at Fairfield View, and that
is kind of how I escaped from my fan I
don't want to say escape, but I learned to live
away from my my trafficking family. I was born into
a trafficking family from me right out of New Haven.
(02:19):
I'm from over near Exit eight. I'm from I'm from
Way Boston Street. Yeah, so I'm from like New Haven.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Where the root.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Is Rude eighty gang exactly the exiting gang. I grew
up in the dash house, in the house that had
kind of the the labor traffic family that displaced labor
traffic family that kind of was run for crime. And honestly,
what's been going on forever if you really think about it,
(02:53):
we haven't had a big organized crime bus. And I'm
not saying anything that law enforcement does a great job.
You know what it is policy, policy, lack of media awareness.
We have big organized crime busts in other states, but
can you think of one big organized crime bust in
New Haven?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
No? No, wow. I read the message read I literally
read the message on the area. This is years ago
at this point where when the police, the NHPD and
I'm with our boys and girls in blue, I am,
but they they announced it was kind of tragic and
it's a bit maybe too much of a sidebarb because
(03:32):
I want to get to your story because it sounds
like I have a story and your work. But they
announced we're not doing any more any more busts. They
actually announced this is about close to ten years ago.
We're not doing any more busts as far as prostitution
rings are concerned, because we're bringing too much shame on
women who otherwise don't have a choice. They're like mothers
(03:54):
in the community. And I thought, so, you're just not
going to stop prosly, what a weird salution that.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
And and I work directly with the distance, okay, And
I also collaborate directly with law enforcement, state, local, federal, and.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I realized that they're I realized really quickly that that's
coming down from the top. They're being told that, and like, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Absolutely, And it took me along time, Like it took
me lots of hard work and meetings with detectives and
like really getting my foot in the door for you know,
law enforcements to trust me to say enough to like
like an old school journalist to say, like Ashley, don't
use my name, but this is policy. Like like, some
(04:40):
detectives have told me that they have submitted arrest warrant
for say the Asian massac follows the sex trafficking site
throughout the state, and they've been told someone at the
courthouse don't submit it again. And it's written on there
like don't we were told not to submit again?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
And what universe is that is that helping the justice
system and the visdom it's like being told. And similarly
with the specifically with the Asian sex trafficking, it's not
a case by case basis where they have to call
the prosecutor or New Haven. And when a detective told
me that, I go, no wonder, no law enforcement agent
(05:24):
ty can handle an investigation of Asian sex trafficking. And
let's be honest, it's Chinese organized crime duff what that is? Yeah,
so obviously, like how are they going to investigate when
they've got to call the prosecutor for direction every side?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, well, let's be really let's be really honest, Ashley,
because it sounds like you are twenty four to seven.
What if they do continue with the Asian sex trafficking
and start taking down We're communities are going to fall.
They're going to be fathers are going to be dentists
(06:02):
and school teachers and people.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
That's already happenings.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Names are going to come up. We're married men with families,
community minded, and they shy away in their real offices.
You know how it goes. Are going to be like
that's so and so. He's a big roller, he's a
big donor, he's key in town. We got to keep
this quiet, and that's wrong. We're corroded.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
We're corrosing exactly. But if you think historically of any
anybody that's reported abuse, Okay, let's talk about like the
Pdaty case. Okay, the first thing that's going to happen is,
oh but he's a father. Oh but he's a businessman.
Oh that's the first That is our go through. That
is the inculturation is to perfect the accused abuser, not
(06:45):
to protect the victim. And let me tell you, when
law enforcement has enough evidence typically, let me say, I
dealt with false arrests and everything, but typically a good
law enforcement agency, when they have enough information just in
a rest warrant to get signed by a prosecutor and
a judge, and it's especially with tech trafficking, there's usually
(07:09):
enough evidence to convict and then it just comes down
to how much money do you have to make it
go away?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah? Well, when then when you talked about, there's usually
enough to convict that ultimately, you know, it lands in
the lap of a judge, and a whole lot of
judges names are on those lists too. Let's just be honest.
I mean, that's it honest. But actually, let me ask
you this and again morom is actually fun. I encourage
you to look into we are one h is the
(07:37):
I want to get the website right too, is it?
We are one I NCS dot.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Com, I NCS dot com. We are one incs plural inks?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, okay. I just wanted to make sure I got
the website right.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Update our website often because I have I have actually
a University of Albany pre losting that does my website.
I have a great networ antionwide network.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
You seem to, yeah, you seem to, I'm pretty underground.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
But our Instagram page. I would go to our Instagram page.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I see you on Instagram. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah. Instagram is where and I do the media there
and and it gets updated. More websites are kind of
old school, which I appreciate, But the Instagram is really
where where we ask our followers to follow along to
get educated. All of our information is easily vetted, so
anything we share on there you can trust is in
(08:31):
real time information that's going to keep you informed in
the moment.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I want to make sure I'd stay on top of that.
But not to pick at a scab here. But you
do do so many speaking engagements. You say, I'm a
you wrote to me, I'm a survivor of familial human trafficking.
You've already mentioned that on the show earlier. Tell me
your story. What do you what type of labor, sex
(08:56):
and the family mom and dad, and like, what's the story.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, so I'm gonna start with full and I'm going
to start with I did not know. This is the
most A lot of people are amazed by this. I
did not know that I was, by definition a classic
case of child sex and labor trafficking until last year.
(09:21):
I had no idea. I had absolutely no idea until
I was invited. And that is like two years into
my nonprofit working with victims. I'm walking around the street
looking for it, like I love a survivor to go
on camera and start talking. And so I got invited
to this event. It was a Grace Farms Foundation event,
which is an organization that fights the slaves for the
(09:43):
modern day slavery within the supply chain. They're out of
New Canaan. They hosted this event that was basically a
blueprint of all of the law enforcement agencies I would
need to work with, the witness protection contacts, FBI contact
and it was it was like it was called a symposium,
survivor focused symposium, And I walked out of there with
(10:06):
like connections to state police, connections to the US Department
of Labor, like all the connections I needed. But I
was cratching my head. I'm like, oh my god, I
am by definition a child labor traffic victim. And then
I got a victim's advocate later that year to learn
that my body and my medical records proved that I'm
(10:31):
a survivor of baby sexual abuse, like very very young
child sexual abuse. So yeah, my baby, and that's that's
where the pedophile that's where then all the family secrets
that kind of were swept under the rug. And so
I'm going to give you a little It's kind of
hard to follow, but I'll start with my father was
(10:54):
a South Vietnamese general, So shout out to all the
veterans because they've they've had my back for a while.
My father fought alongside the Americans, and he was imprisoned
for eight years and then he he came here. He
married the first woman he met out of New Haven.
(11:17):
I think because he suffered from some PTSD. He had
lost his wife and two kids in Vietnam. So he
just wanted to start over. So he married my mother,
who Native American raised by an alcoholic carpenter. Carpenter that
worked for the concrete business. Sorry laying out there. He
(11:41):
worked for the concrete business in New Haven. We're listening
with that old school you were my grandfather. My grandfather
was awesome, but he was a bad alcoholic. His brother
was a pedophile who molested all of the girls, all
of his daughters, which caused severe mental health issues. He
(12:04):
ran his kids for crime. He beat his own wife,
my grandma, my best friend. He beat his own wife.
But he made up for that later in life.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
But that was the And.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I'd like to take a moment so that people know,
like I'm not when I talk about that old school
that was. You're from the area, so you know that
was life back then. If you lived in that area.
There were things that you were ran to do. But
then but then things changed and people got educations. And
(12:37):
so I get a lot of backlash from from some
Italian saying, oh, you're walking around saying organized crime. I go,
did I ever say Italian? Did I ever say I
say organized crime when I talk about organized crime? Now
I'm talking about Carpel and China and Russia. I'm not
talking about because I went to Fairfield. You I know,
(12:57):
the next generation. I am the next generation. So yeah,
my father married my mom who had that history of
being molested by her uncle and the problem with dad,
especially since my mom and her siblings were run Have
you ever heard of this saying west Haven Gypsy's and Deans.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I mean, not necessarily the west Haven end of the equation,
but I mean I get what you mean.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, like like rummage through your house, feel your stuff,
but help you look for it for a week. That
type of manipulation.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you put it that way, sure,
very well, yeah, very well. That describes the majority of
my friends growing up.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Here, and they think it's funny. It's just yeah, So
that is what I come from, and I didn't so
imagine I grew up in a trailer park. I started
in New Haven and then I grew up in a
trailer park in Branford, overn Ivyrford.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah. Well I moved out there about ten years ago.
I'm there now. Yes, But you're saying, so you weren't
a seven, eight nine year old girl, you have no
memory of what memory.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Of sexual abuse, no memory, no memory of it. But
do you want to know how? I know my mother
should have known, And.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yes, I absolutely do. I think our listeners need to
know how to because it's it's it's about recognizing signs
and identifying actual red flags, not the ones memes tell
us are red flags exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
And the red flags were so prominent they were, they
were screen like. I couldn't have been more of a
child screaming. My body was screaming, get me to a doctor.
So we'll start with at five years old. I put
all the little kids in the trailer park in a
in a little you know those like Disher Price or
(14:56):
little tight houses, those little plastic houses.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, the tight houses you Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I instructed all the kids to take the clothes off
because I want to see all the different parts. That's
the kids do when they are abused. And I'm not
talking about the regular playing doctor kids do that. I'm
talking about I instructed everyone to do it. I so
whomever had been abusing me was grooming me to be
a recruiter because I was a leader, you see. So
(15:26):
what did the kids do? What are kids going to
do when when inappropriate acts like that?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
What they're going to tell the mom right, Well, you'd
like to think so. It's very important, especially to a
lot of parents in my generation. I feel like, and
I'm fifty eight years old. They think these are conversations
you have with kids when they're twelve thirteen. No, my daughter,
it's a big joke with hers. I was saying stuff
to her at three. Jen X thinks, oh, yeah, you
(15:53):
have that conversation going into middle school. No, you have
that conversation before school even starts.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It's
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