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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mark Shaw, I am here appreciate you coming on today
talk about the new book Abuse of Power and doing
something very compelling here connecting Bobby Kennedy's assassination with the
murder of JFK and Dorothy Killgollan. If I'm understanding correctly
(00:21):
and getting into the mafia aspects as far as Sarran
Seran is concerned, ambitious.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
To say the lead said, well said, thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
And you know a lot of people when when the
mob gets brought up, as it pertains to Kennedy, a
lot of people go to the time honor. Do you know,
they think Sinatra, they think the ties that he had,
they think Chicago. They don't they don't necessarily go to
the to the whole sorrans around. I don't think they
ever have before. What made you? What did you discover
(00:56):
that made you go to the till you're going to
here for Abuse of Power?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Excellent question. You know, I'm a historian. I'm a former
criminal defense lawyer and a historian and author obviously, but
I always look for clues that don't make sense with
regard to things, and I've written books about the JFK
assassination and Dorothy Kilgowan and all of that. But I
was always suspicious about Robert Kennedy's death. It just didn't
(01:21):
make sense to me, just as it didn't make sense
to me that Oswald alone could have killed Kennedy. How
could Sir Han have done this on his own? So
what I did, first of all, you know, it's amazing.
I'm sure this happens to you at times. Some evidence
came across to me when we had the JFK assassination
records the first of the year, and while looking through
(01:42):
those and everything, I found a secret FBI file that
dealt with a mafio so named Carlos Mussel. Now I
don't like people just talking about the mob doing things.
If you're going to be accurate for the public and
the readers, you want a true crime murder mystery that's
really going to peg who it was. So I found
a confession by Carlos Marcello, a mafia don who had
(02:05):
the strongest motive to have eliminated JFK. And we could
talk about that another time, but in this document said
Marcello told a fellow prisoner at a Texarcanada, Texas prison
where he was Yeah, I had the blankety blank killed.
I'm glad I did. I'm sorry I couldn't have done
it myself. And so, you know, not using any bad
(02:30):
language on the radio, but basically, all these years people
have talked about, you know, the CIA, the Russians, the Cubans, LBJ,
and just the mob in general. But here's a confession,
and basically it's very credible. It was audio taped, and
so I'm being able to present that in the new
book so people can look at that in the context
(02:51):
of the JFK and Dorothy Kilgallen murders in sixty three
sixty five and then Robert Kennedy's death in nineteen sixty eight,
which really shows that Sir Hans Sir Han could not
possibly have been accountable for Robert Kennedy's death.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
And it's amazing how this actually while you're on you know,
on new ground, and as I said before going to
New Tills, it's amazing how much the world still has
questions still. Look. I saw something else just during my
week off about Marilyn Monroe's murder probe, which you wrote
(03:26):
about that I think already and that's included in the
abuse of power, where somebody out there is they've got proof.
They say it was a murder, which that's what you say.
The Lee Harvey Oswa, I never felt like he could
could have act acted alone. Marilyn Monroe accidentally o ding
(03:48):
or intentionally. I never bought either of those. Who knows why.
It was before I was even born, but I was
born in sixty seven, but I never bought it. Why
do you think is it the Kennedy's. Is it just
at the end of the day, our own fascination with
our own royal family, the Kennedys, that makes us still
or is it all the stuff we feel is if
(04:08):
they've gotten away with and maybe continued.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
To well, you know, it's interesting and your listeners may
be wondering, why are we messing with all this? It
was sixty some years ago or whatever. But one of
the lessons we learn is that people did not ask
the right questions back then. There's a new book that's
come out about Maryland's death, and so many of these
authors don't do their research. They speculate in all of that.
(04:31):
But the main thing I'd impress upon people is you
have to ask questions. Because the new evidence in my
book is well known by this task force on the
declassification of secrets that was convened by the President. I've
given all of my evidence to them, and if you
want to look at why my evidence is so important,
they are hiding it from the public. They're covering it up.
(04:52):
And this is what happened sixty years ago. So we're
still in that mode in terms of the government government.
It's the same thing. This task force was supposed to
look into Jeffrey Epstein's death and they haven't done so.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So I'm saying to your audience, you know, don't take
for granted what the government tells you. Ask questions, because
these are three two crime murder mysteries, Dorothy, JFK and
RFK that were never mysteries at all if people would
have actually done their homework and questioned the authorities back then.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting too to hear you say,
especially as appertains to back in the sixties, nobody asked
the right questions. You know. JFK. I can't say as
much about Bobby, but JFK look at the shadows he
lurked in with celebrities with you know, he was running
(05:46):
with the rat pack, his affair with Marilyn Monroe, and.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
He good good.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
He was able to keep a lot quiet. There's no
way he didn't have law enforcement on his side too,
to make sure that they kept reporters from asking certain questions.
You know, he's remembered so fondly, and I think it's
due to just such a grim ending to a life
strang horrific good point. Yeah, I remember my late mother,
(06:14):
you know, the way she would talk about is Left
America and Acoma understandably, but it also I think protects
his legacy. He was a dirty guy. He was a
guy with dirty hands.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah. Just think about if the Internet would have been
available back then. You know, all of this would have
been screaming on the Internet and all of that. But
what but what happens with regard to this is when
the when the government decides that we should not know
about the truth here, I mean with JFK. Yeah, he
got by with a lot of things, but I think
(06:47):
it was his personality and charisma and everything that overshadowed
a lot of the of the dirty stuff that happened
back then. But you know, the main concern of mine
is justice, you know, and and especially with Sir Hans
her Hahn, because I've been able to connect Sir hansor
Han with this Carlos Marcelo, who, as I said, had
the strongest murder, strongest motive to have killed JF or
(07:11):
RFK because he could not let RFK become president in
nineteen sixty eight. And so I'm going to do my
best now to file motions in the courts to get
that conviction set aside, because Sir Hans or Hahn has
been in prison for sixty some years, he's eighty one
years old, and that cell door should open tomorrow again.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
The book is abuse of power. Somebody who's doing this,
writing these kind of books for the right reasons, Historian.
I can't wait to read it myself, and you are right.
For me, it's Marilyn more than it is JFK and
as far as fascination, lingering, and it's argicly because I
just feels like she was done so wrong. And you're
(07:51):
exactly right to say, imagine today, in this day and age,
with social media et cetera, et cetera, we'd never let
it lie. We're a free Brittany society. Now, imagine how
protective we would have been of Norma Jean I highly
encourage you to check out Mark Shaw's new book, Abusive Power.
Mister Shaw, thanks again for your time
Mark Shaw, I am here appreciate you coming on today
talk about the new book Abuse of Power and doing
something very compelling here connecting Bobby Kennedy's assassination with the
murder of JFK and Dorothy Killgollan. If I'm understanding correctly
(00:21):
and getting into the mafia aspects as far as Sarran
Seran is concerned, ambitious.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
To say the lead said, well said, thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
And you know a lot of people when when the
mob gets brought up, as it pertains to Kennedy, a
lot of people go to the time honor. Do you know,
they think Sinatra, they think the ties that he had,
they think Chicago. They don't they don't necessarily go to
the to the whole sorrans around. I don't think they
ever have before. What made you? What did you discover
(00:56):
that made you go to the till you're going to
here for Abuse of Power?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Excellent question. You know, I'm a historian. I'm a former
criminal defense lawyer and a historian and author obviously, but
I always look for clues that don't make sense with
regard to things, and I've written books about the JFK
assassination and Dorothy Kilgowan and all of that. But I
was always suspicious about Robert Kennedy's death. It just didn't
(01:21):
make sense to me, just as it didn't make sense
to me that Oswald alone could have killed Kennedy. How
could Sir Han have done this on his own? So
what I did, first of all, you know, it's amazing.
I'm sure this happens to you at times. Some evidence
came across to me when we had the JFK assassination
records the first of the year, and while looking through
(01:42):
those and everything, I found a secret FBI file that
dealt with a mafio so named Carlos Mussel. Now I
don't like people just talking about the mob doing things.
If you're going to be accurate for the public and
the readers, you want a true crime murder mystery that's
really going to peg who it was. So I found
a confession by Carlos Marcello, a mafia don who had
(02:05):
the strongest motive to have eliminated JFK. And we could
talk about that another time, but in this document said
Marcello told a fellow prisoner at a Texarcanada, Texas prison
where he was Yeah, I had the blankety blank killed.
I'm glad I did. I'm sorry I couldn't have done
it myself. And so, you know, not using any bad
(02:30):
language on the radio, but basically, all these years people
have talked about, you know, the CIA, the Russians, the Cubans, LBJ,
and just the mob in general. But here's a confession,
and basically it's very credible. It was audio taped, and
so I'm being able to present that in the new
book so people can look at that in the context
(02:51):
of the JFK and Dorothy Kilgallen murders in sixty three
sixty five and then Robert Kennedy's death in nineteen sixty eight,
which really shows that Sir Hans Sir Han could not
possibly have been accountable for Robert Kennedy's death.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
And it's amazing how this actually while you're on you know,
on new ground, and as I said before going to
New Tills, it's amazing how much the world still has
questions still. Look. I saw something else just during my
week off about Marilyn Monroe's murder probe, which you wrote
(03:26):
about that I think already and that's included in the
abuse of power, where somebody out there is they've got proof.
They say it was a murder, which that's what you say.
The Lee Harvey Oswa, I never felt like he could
could have act acted alone. Marilyn Monroe accidentally o ding
(03:48):
or intentionally. I never bought either of those. Who knows why.
It was before I was even born, but I was
born in sixty seven, but I never bought it. Why
do you think is it the Kennedy's. Is it just
at the end of the day, our own fascination with
our own royal family, the Kennedys, that makes us still
or is it all the stuff we feel is if
(04:08):
they've gotten away with and maybe continued.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
To well, you know, it's interesting and your listeners may
be wondering, why are we messing with all this? It
was sixty some years ago or whatever. But one of
the lessons we learn is that people did not ask
the right questions back then. There's a new book that's
come out about Maryland's death, and so many of these
authors don't do their research. They speculate in all of that.
(04:31):
But the main thing I'd impress upon people is you
have to ask questions. Because the new evidence in my
book is well known by this task force on the
declassification of secrets that was convened by the President. I've
given all of my evidence to them, and if you
want to look at why my evidence is so important,
they are hiding it from the public. They're covering it up.
(04:52):
And this is what happened sixty years ago. So we're
still in that mode in terms of the government government.
It's the same thing. This task force was supposed to
look into Jeffrey Epstein's death and they haven't done so.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So I'm saying to your audience, you know, don't take
for granted what the government tells you. Ask questions, because
these are three two crime murder mysteries, Dorothy, JFK and
RFK that were never mysteries at all if people would
have actually done their homework and questioned the authorities back then.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting too to hear you say,
especially as appertains to back in the sixties, nobody asked
the right questions. You know. JFK. I can't say as
much about Bobby, but JFK look at the shadows he
lurked in with celebrities with you know, he was running
(05:46):
with the rat pack, his affair with Marilyn Monroe, and.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
He good good.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
He was able to keep a lot quiet. There's no
way he didn't have law enforcement on his side too,
to make sure that they kept reporters from asking certain questions.
You know, he's remembered so fondly, and I think it's
due to just such a grim ending to a life
strang horrific good point. Yeah, I remember my late mother,
(06:14):
you know, the way she would talk about is Left
America and Acoma understandably, but it also I think protects
his legacy. He was a dirty guy. He was a
guy with dirty hands.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah. Just think about if the Internet would have been
available back then. You know, all of this would have
been screaming on the Internet and all of that. But
what but what happens with regard to this is when
the when the government decides that we should not know
about the truth here, I mean with JFK. Yeah, he
got by with a lot of things, but I think
(06:47):
it was his personality and charisma and everything that overshadowed
a lot of the of the dirty stuff that happened
back then. But you know, the main concern of mine
is justice, you know, and and especially with Sir Hans
her Hahn, because I've been able to connect Sir hansor
Han with this Carlos Marcelo, who, as I said, had
the strongest murder, strongest motive to have killed JF or
(07:11):
RFK because he could not let RFK become president in
nineteen sixty eight. And so I'm going to do my
best now to file motions in the courts to get
that conviction set aside, because Sir Hans or Hahn has
been in prison for sixty some years, he's eighty one
years old, and that cell door should open tomorrow again.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
The book is abuse of power. Somebody who's doing this,
writing these kind of books for the right reasons, Historian.
I can't wait to read it myself, and you are right.
For me, it's Marilyn more than it is JFK and
as far as fascination, lingering, and it's argicly because I
just feels like she was done so wrong. And you're
(07:51):
exactly right to say, imagine today, in this day and age,
with social media et cetera, et cetera, we'd never let
it lie. We're a free Brittany society. Now, imagine how
protective we would have been of Norma Jean I highly
encourage you to check out Mark Shaw's new book, Abusive Power.
Mister Shaw, thanks again for your time
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