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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mister Kilpatrick, Well, it's good to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I appreciate it. Appreciate it to you earlier.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Oh, taking the temperature of the show. I hope I
was due.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I mean, you gotta take the temperature of the show.
You know, you're they learned nothing by walking around to
Earth fifty four years. You need a little temperature check.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yeah, well, you know what, and especially a guy in
your position, what you've been through the last few months,
if not the last many years, you don't know what
might be a set up, right you listen. It could
be some smart ass who's going to, uh, you know,
challenge you on the decision you made. You know, it
was only what a month or so ago that you
(00:40):
decided to shift your perspective. That's the way they say
it as far as Trump is concerned.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Actually it was January of this year. January this year. Well, well,
let me take you back. I shifted my perspective while
I was in prison, you know, after meeting the Lord
Jesus Christ in twenty fourteen. It kind of messed up
my whole political understanding because everything was challenged with that word.
(01:08):
I was pro choice. I really didn't have, you know,
I was the Democratic leader of the Michigan House of Representatives,
and so I stood up and kind of espoused the
same kind of warmed over democratic expositions that Kamala Harris
was saying. And so it was it was crazy to
hear him back, you know, ten, fifteen, twenty thirty years later.
(01:32):
But yeah, it changed over time. I knew I wasn't
a Democrat. I knew I wasn't a Republican. And then
Inn Walston, you know Donald Trump, and you say, Okay,
what he's saying, it's kind of a myriad of the
issues that I care about and also the positions that I.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Have on Yeah, and your prison term was commuted by
Trump as well. So do you do you take hits
for that? Like, well, so this is your your thank
you to him. I know some people are thinking you're
looking to get an appointment now too, that he's back
where he belongs in my opinion, which is the White House.
(02:10):
And if so, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Well, you know, I don't think you could be more
appreciative of a person for giving you and your family
the type of gift that God used Donald Trump to
give us. And I just, you know, I'm immensely thankful
to him. And I've been asked the question, if Joe
Biden would have did that, would you have supported him?
(02:35):
And the answer, quite frankly, is no. You know, I
believe that Biden's nineteen ninety four crime Bill was the
most abusive and vindictive piece of legislation to come out
of the House Representative since Jim Crow. I really do,
and having a being in a sale with three lifers
(02:56):
over the eight years I was there, nearly eight years,
it would have been a dereliction of my duty to
really tell their stories and try to figure out how
to provide freedom for those people who are still trapped
behind those bars for non violent offensives. And I tell
everybody I just it would be no way I could
do that. That'll be turning my back on everything I
believe in. With Donald Trump, you know, he never asked
(03:17):
me for my support. He never asked me to help them.
He never asked for anything, and I've never asked him
for a dollar, a dime or something in return. I
think that it's been one of those things that you know,
both people were moved from their hearts to help me.
I never met Donald Trump. I never had a conversation
with him. I didn't know anybody in the room when
(03:38):
he was making this decision, and so for me, it
was the kind of thing that that was. You know,
I think it's beautiful. Actually I was praying that it's
hard to be turned towards me, and it was so
Now looking at this race, I saw the two candidates
saw and at that time it was Biden and Donald Trump,
(03:58):
and it was a no brainer for me. He did
a great deal of work on criminal justice reform, his
engagement ideas for urban communities that had access to capital
that was big for our community here. And I worked
for him. I worked for him in Detroit, I worked
for him around Michigan or Philadelphia and even in Georgia.
And so it was just an incredible process to be
(04:19):
involved in and I loved it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And again we're I'm with ex Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.
But to say, you know, he never asked me for anything.
He didn't seek an endorsement this and that. One of
the most frustrating things about Trump to me is but
I mean, it's just who he is. He could talk
for twenty five minutes, say the same thing over and
over for twenty five minutes. He'll never tell anyone that
(04:42):
he did this. He'll never use it as a story
as weaponry. He'll get hit with racism claims, and to
which my response would be, you know, I just got
this guy out of jail. There was that boxer who
he exonerated, the African American boxer, that huge story. Sylvester,
he never brings it up. It drives me crazy because he,
(05:05):
you know, is he entertaining. He is, But when someone
calls you racist, He's got a million things he could
say to prove that he most certainly is not, but
he never says them. He's loaded with stories that he
could be telling to prove to the naysayers. I'm not
a hateful guy. But he could never be bothered with
doing it. I'd be singing it from the roof.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I went down and finally got a chance to meet him.
For two and a half years, I was trying to
get me and my sons down to meet him, and
they wanted to meet him. Say thank you. I was
trying to figure it out, and just by having Stance
meet a friend of his and Detroit who owns a
restaurant here, and he said, do you want to meet Trump?
And I said absolutely. Been trying for two and a
half years. He figured it out. I went down to Florida.
(05:47):
I met him at the golf club in the morning
and we just hung out. He'd be asking questions about
me and I mean, and different things. He's very intuitive,
so he wants to know about things. You know about it.
So we talked politics, We talk He asked me to stay,
so I stayed that evening. I went over to the
Tomorrow i Ago and had a great dinner over there
with a whole lot of people he had to gathering there,
(06:07):
and it was it was amazing. But I was with
him from eleven in the morning to eleven at night,
and nothing in that was racist, nothing in that was
was mean. Of course, as a matter of fact, I mean,
he could have been a comedian. The guy's timing is amazing.
But at the same time, what I saw was that
what you said, it was a guy there who right
(06:31):
off the back. Now, this is my first engagement, you know,
the only the only way I know Donald Trump is
through to me. I don't I don't really know at
this point, And a guy walked up to me, and
he was there and we got to talking and just
and he helped his dad have life saving cancer surgery.
His father still here. Donald Trump has never mentioned it,
He's never asked their family for anything. He was just
(06:52):
happy to do it. But they are just he was
This guy was crying telling me that, and I was
just like, Wow, this guy's though. It's a real dude.
But over the time going around the country and going
to the rallies and meeting people, I've heard dozens of
stories like that, And so I think that what happens
when the media all has a position on someone, You
(07:12):
never get to hear about who the person really is.
You get to hear about the caricature that they want
you to see and create in their minds, in your minds,
because that's who they want to kill. And is unfortunate
for our country that there's so much power and so
much money and lights and glamor and production put behind that,
and not enough put behind who these people really are
(07:33):
that we're talking about leading our country.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
That's well said. And again, you served as mayor of
Detroit from two thousand and two to two thousand and eight.
I mean Detroit one of our most crime free cities
in BC United States of ours? Are you still is that? Still?
Where do you call home.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, it'll be home over the next couple of months.
I've been in Georgia for about three almost war years,
and my family were all moving back to Detroit. Yeah,
but you know, Detroit. It just so everybody knows Detroit,
you know. Yeah, we lost over a million people over
thirty years. All the plants here, you know, they had shuttered.
You know, all whole cities were plant you know, we
(08:17):
talking about three, four, five, six thousand men and women
working in the place. But you know, when I was there,
we had the largest movement of building that we've had
in more than fifty years. More housing, more streets, redesigned downtown,
build five hotels. Detroit hadn't built a hotel since nineteen
eighty nine. When I came in office. We built five
and five years a riverfront that the city was talking
(08:39):
about thirty years building. We built it in five We
hosted the Super Bowl, Major League based for our Star Game,
G twelve, Summit's Final four, and so we started to
reintroduce Detroit to the world. I think people would come
to Detroit now to be a place that they you know,
because of the prime and because of the press. For
two or three decades, they would recognize it. So Detroit
(09:02):
is coming back on the map. The mayor now is
doing a good job. But we continue to need a
president who understands that we're still strong in the manufacturing industry.
And when tariffs are not right, when our focus is
out not America and it's other countries Detroit and Ohio
and Pennsylvania, we lose. And that's why people, you know,
(09:24):
they voted with their positions in this last elections, and
all of those states voted Trump because he said America first.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
The drain the swamp thing comes up again, which is
something that really resonated with me back in twenty sixteen,
the promise of draining the swamp, which is something I'm
starting to believe is impossible. I don't know that it's possible.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I think when you talk about the swamping government, a
lot of people really don't understand who've been outside of government.
I even think a lot of people were very successful
don understanding government. That you have elected officials that come
in and they you know, they're there four eight, ten years,
they're gone. You have deureacracy that people work in for
(10:07):
twenty thirty forty years and entrenched in all of those
departments that you hear about Justice Department, helping, Human Services, Interior,
you know, Energy. Their people been working in those places,
running those things for four presidents, five presidents, and so
in order to quote unquote drain the swamps, you have
to learn in those bureaucratic structure. There's some dynamic employees
(10:31):
and people who work very hard and they love America.
But there are also some people who have a job
and they get politically motivated they try to destroy. If
they're Republican, they don't like Barack Obama, they're a Democrat,
they don't like Trump. It's just all of this kind
of stuff happens in there, and it hurts America because
they're not moving towards building what we're trying to build
(10:51):
within the construct of whatever department they're in, and that's
where most of the swampy stuff is. You know, the
big headlines come from the elected official, but in those bureaucracies,
it's hard to move policy. That's why when President Trump
got off the first time, the first thing he started
to do is change a lot of the regulation stuff,
because if you change that, then it gets the power
(11:13):
out of the bureaucracy and into the places that it
needs to get and so he has the right ideas.
You know, as a businessman, he understands how to do
business and how to make it easier for people to
do business with us. But he also understands how to
use our strength to maximize our opportunities to make money
for the companies here. And that's that's how he drained
the swamp. You know, he definitely wanted to get rid
(11:35):
of people, but the other way is to change the
rules by which they operate. And I think nobody has
had the tenacity and the courage to do that because
those places have been so entrenched for so long. He's
the right man for the job right now.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting Dary's saying, you know, people
who have been in there for decades, like you know,
side of the aisle. Notwithstanding, look at Mitch McConnell. I
mean he actually, you know, I don't even know what
to make of it. He's they're all afforded the opportunity
to retire this guy. Three times I think in the
(12:10):
past year he stood frozen on live television. You see
someone come up alongside him, a you okay, everything okay,
gonna be good. It's that's tough to watch. I don't
want to be a smart ass. It's tough to watch.
I'd love to see Trump plugging term limits. I'd love
to start talking about term limits. It seems like that
that never even gets brought up. Never mind drain the swamp.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, it won't go anywhere, it.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Just won't.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
We had term limits here in Michigan six years you
can do another legislature two three terms in the House
and at first and two terms in the Senate. So
six in the House and six in the Senate. It
was actually recently changed to twelve and twelve because the
institutional memory is lost. So there's an argument that can
be made that, yeah, you probably need term limits, but
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what's the right because that just when when you get
too short of a time, the interest groups they run
the legislature. And what you see happening in America, well,
the type of policy that's coming out of these state
houses and coming out of some of these places around
the country and their county governments is because of time limits.
So they're run by the NEA, and they're run by
(13:20):
Planned Parenthood, and they're run by and so you have
this crazy legislative process where now you don't have the
Republicans and the Democrats working together and trying to bring
the best policy forward. You just have an interest group.
So yeah, just just make let it be you know,
a great idea to have a three or four year
old change their sex if they want to. Yeah, that'd
(13:41):
be a good idea. Let's do it and just run it.
And this becomes a law in California, and even Michigan
has a similar law. Where all of these grown up
legislators were sitting there and they end up passing this
stuff out because the interest groups were so strong. So
it's important that we yes, you know, you don't want
a person freezing on television, you don't. You kind of
(14:03):
feel sorry for that guy, But then you're also like, whoa,
but he won't leave now because the Senate picked up
seats and he was in charge and they now are
in the majority. So it's always it's like he was successful,
even though we know that that was a much broader campaign.
But they don't want to leave. This is you know,
most of the people leave from those jobs, they die
(14:23):
soon after. They don't really know what life is without it,
so they don't leave, and his people keep sending them
back and so what is the right number? And how
do we have that discussion in America? And that's a
tough place to be, but I know the American people
are just tired of it.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Oh yeah, tired of all sorts of things. And again
wrong with Kwame Kilpatrick. What is next for you? What
would you like to be next for you?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well, we launched the ministry in Georgia back in January
twenty two. The Lord moved me to just teach his word.
I don't think i'd have went through the hell I
went through if I knew Jesus back then. So I
got a chance to know him and prison big six
foot four Vietnam Vet asked me that I have a
personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. I told him no.
(15:07):
He said, finally some honesty in this place. He discipled
me in and that's what I want to do. And
we just launched a ministry and worship here in Michigan
and we're about to move forward with that. Other than that,
I would like to engage the political system in a
different way with men and women and talk to them
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about character and integrity and you know, be to them
what I needed when I was thirty one, and I
took the office of mayor of the City of Detroit.
How we allow our business political acumen to rise, but
also at the same veracity our character integrity, so we
don't have all of these problems in government that we're
doing we have now, And that's one of the things
that I would like to be a friend the government.
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And I'm not looking for an appointment to the Grove administration,
but I would support them in any way that they
needed me to do. Because now he's the president of
the United States. Again, he's forty five and forty seven.
So however we can make this country great, I want
to be involved in that as well.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Fantastic stuff. Quite a story, Kwame Killpatrick. I appreciate you
taking the time to come on. Let's stay in touch me.
Maybe have you on a quasi regular basis, if you're
so inclined.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That'll be cool. Yeah, that'd be cool. I like it.
I like the project anytime.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, well, I appreciate that. I'm glad you caught something.
This show's been all over the road today, so I'm
glad whatever you caught was okay as far as you're concerned.
Earlier this morning, there was a lot of nonsense this morning.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
But I like the honesty and I like your moxy.
Let's say I love, I love what you're doing. Keep
it up.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Oh that means a lot to me. Kwame Killpatrick, thanks again.
We'll talk soon.
Mister Kilpatrick, Well, it's good to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I appreciate it. Appreciate it to you earlier.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Oh, taking the temperature of the show. I hope I
was due.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I mean, you gotta take the temperature of the show.
You know, you're they learned nothing by walking around to
Earth fifty four years. You need a little temperature check.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yeah, well, you know what, and especially a guy in
your position, what you've been through the last few months,
if not the last many years, you don't know what
might be a set up, right you listen. It could
be some smart ass who's going to, uh, you know,
challenge you on the decision you made. You know, it
was only what a month or so ago that you
(00:40):
decided to shift your perspective. That's the way they say
it as far as Trump is concerned.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Actually it was January of this year. January this year. Well, well,
let me take you back. I shifted my perspective while
I was in prison, you know, after meeting the Lord
Jesus Christ in twenty fourteen. It kind of messed up
my whole political understanding because everything was challenged with that word.
(01:08):
I was pro choice. I really didn't have, you know,
I was the Democratic leader of the Michigan House of Representatives,
and so I stood up and kind of espoused the
same kind of warmed over democratic expositions that Kamala Harris
was saying. And so it was it was crazy to
hear him back, you know, ten, fifteen, twenty thirty years later.
(01:32):
But yeah, it changed over time. I knew I wasn't
a Democrat. I knew I wasn't a Republican. And then
Inn Walston, you know Donald Trump, and you say, Okay,
what he's saying, it's kind of a myriad of the
issues that I care about and also the positions that I.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Have on Yeah, and your prison term was commuted by
Trump as well. So do you do you take hits
for that? Like, well, so this is your your thank
you to him. I know some people are thinking you're
looking to get an appointment now too, that he's back
where he belongs in my opinion, which is the White House.
(02:10):
And if so, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Well, you know, I don't think you could be more
appreciative of a person for giving you and your family
the type of gift that God used Donald Trump to
give us. And I just, you know, I'm immensely thankful
to him. And I've been asked the question, if Joe
Biden would have did that, would you have supported him?
(02:35):
And the answer, quite frankly, is no. You know, I
believe that Biden's nineteen ninety four crime Bill was the
most abusive and vindictive piece of legislation to come out
of the House Representative since Jim Crow. I really do,
and having a being in a sale with three lifers
(02:56):
over the eight years I was there, nearly eight years,
it would have been a dereliction of my duty to
really tell their stories and try to figure out how
to provide freedom for those people who are still trapped
behind those bars for non violent offensives. And I tell
everybody I just it would be no way I could
do that. That'll be turning my back on everything I
believe in. With Donald Trump, you know, he never asked
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me for my support. He never asked me to help them.
He never asked for anything, and I've never asked him
for a dollar, a dime or something in return. I
think that it's been one of those things that you know,
both people were moved from their hearts to help me.
I never met Donald Trump. I never had a conversation
with him. I didn't know anybody in the room when
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he was making this decision, and so for me, it
was the kind of thing that that was. You know,
I think it's beautiful. Actually I was praying that it's
hard to be turned towards me, and it was so
Now looking at this race, I saw the two candidates
saw and at that time it was Biden and Donald Trump,
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and it was a no brainer for me. He did
a great deal of work on criminal justice reform, his
engagement ideas for urban communities that had access to capital
that was big for our community here. And I worked
for him. I worked for him in Detroit, I worked
for him around Michigan or Philadelphia and even in Georgia.
And so it was just an incredible process to be
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involved in and I loved it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And again we're I'm with ex Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.
But to say, you know, he never asked me for anything.
He didn't seek an endorsement this and that. One of
the most frustrating things about Trump to me is but
I mean, it's just who he is. He could talk
for twenty five minutes, say the same thing over and
over for twenty five minutes. He'll never tell anyone that
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he did this. He'll never use it as a story
as weaponry. He'll get hit with racism claims, and to
which my response would be, you know, I just got
this guy out of jail. There was that boxer who
he exonerated, the African American boxer, that huge story. Sylvester,
he never brings it up. It drives me crazy because he,
(05:05):
you know, is he entertaining. He is, But when someone
calls you racist, He's got a million things he could
say to prove that he most certainly is not, but
he never says them. He's loaded with stories that he
could be telling to prove to the naysayers. I'm not
a hateful guy. But he could never be bothered with
doing it. I'd be singing it from the roof.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I went down and finally got a chance to meet him.
For two and a half years, I was trying to
get me and my sons down to meet him, and
they wanted to meet him. Say thank you. I was
trying to figure it out, and just by having Stance
meet a friend of his and Detroit who owns a
restaurant here, and he said, do you want to meet Trump?
And I said absolutely. Been trying for two and a
half years. He figured it out. I went down to Florida.
(05:47):
I met him at the golf club in the morning
and we just hung out. He'd be asking questions about
me and I mean, and different things. He's very intuitive,
so he wants to know about things. You know about it.
So we talked politics, We talk He asked me to stay,
so I stayed that evening. I went over to the
Tomorrow i Ago and had a great dinner over there
with a whole lot of people he had to gathering there,
(06:07):
and it was it was amazing. But I was with
him from eleven in the morning to eleven at night,
and nothing in that was racist, nothing in that was
was mean. Of course, as a matter of fact, I mean,
he could have been a comedian. The guy's timing is amazing.
But at the same time, what I saw was that
what you said, it was a guy there who right
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off the back. Now, this is my first engagement, you know,
the only the only way I know Donald Trump is
through to me. I don't I don't really know at
this point, And a guy walked up to me, and
he was there and we got to talking and just
and he helped his dad have life saving cancer surgery.
His father still here. Donald Trump has never mentioned it,
He's never asked their family for anything. He was just
(06:52):
happy to do it. But they are just he was
This guy was crying telling me that, and I was
just like, Wow, this guy's though. It's a real dude.
But over the time going around the country and going
to the rallies and meeting people, I've heard dozens of
stories like that, And so I think that what happens
when the media all has a position on someone, You
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never get to hear about who the person really is.
You get to hear about the caricature that they want
you to see and create in their minds, in your minds,
because that's who they want to kill. And is unfortunate
for our country that there's so much power and so
much money and lights and glamor and production put behind that,
and not enough put behind who these people really are
(07:33):
that we're talking about leading our country.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
That's well said. And again, you served as mayor of
Detroit from two thousand and two to two thousand and eight.
I mean Detroit one of our most crime free cities
in BC United States of ours? Are you still is that? Still?
Where do you call home.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, it'll be home over the next couple of months.
I've been in Georgia for about three almost war years,
and my family were all moving back to Detroit. Yeah,
but you know, Detroit. It just so everybody knows Detroit,
you know. Yeah, we lost over a million people over
thirty years. All the plants here, you know, they had shuttered.
You know, all whole cities were plant you know, we
(08:17):
talking about three, four, five, six thousand men and women
working in the place. But you know, when I was there,
we had the largest movement of building that we've had
in more than fifty years. More housing, more streets, redesigned downtown,
build five hotels. Detroit hadn't built a hotel since nineteen
eighty nine. When I came in office. We built five
and five years a riverfront that the city was talking
(08:39):
about thirty years building. We built it in five We
hosted the Super Bowl, Major League based for our Star Game,
G twelve, Summit's Final four, and so we started to
reintroduce Detroit to the world. I think people would come
to Detroit now to be a place that they you know,
because of the prime and because of the press. For
two or three decades, they would recognize it. So Detroit
(09:02):
is coming back on the map. The mayor now is
doing a good job. But we continue to need a
president who understands that we're still strong in the manufacturing industry.
And when tariffs are not right, when our focus is
out not America and it's other countries Detroit and Ohio
and Pennsylvania, we lose. And that's why people, you know,
(09:24):
they voted with their positions in this last elections, and
all of those states voted Trump because he said America first.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
The drain the swamp thing comes up again, which is
something that really resonated with me back in twenty sixteen,
the promise of draining the swamp, which is something I'm
starting to believe is impossible. I don't know that it's possible.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I think when you talk about the swamping government, a
lot of people really don't understand who've been outside of government.
I even think a lot of people were very successful
don understanding government. That you have elected officials that come
in and they you know, they're there four eight, ten years,
they're gone. You have deureacracy that people work in for
(10:07):
twenty thirty forty years and entrenched in all of those
departments that you hear about Justice Department, helping, Human Services, Interior,
you know, Energy. Their people been working in those places,
running those things for four presidents, five presidents, and so
in order to quote unquote drain the swamps, you have
to learn in those bureaucratic structure. There's some dynamic employees
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and people who work very hard and they love America.
But there are also some people who have a job
and they get politically motivated they try to destroy. If
they're Republican, they don't like Barack Obama, they're a Democrat,
they don't like Trump. It's just all of this kind
of stuff happens in there, and it hurts America because
they're not moving towards building what we're trying to build
(10:51):
within the construct of whatever department they're in, and that's
where most of the swampy stuff is. You know, the
big headlines come from the elected official, but in those bureaucracies,
it's hard to move policy. That's why when President Trump
got off the first time, the first thing he started
to do is change a lot of the regulation stuff,
because if you change that, then it gets the power
(11:13):
out of the bureaucracy and into the places that it
needs to get and so he has the right ideas.
You know, as a businessman, he understands how to do
business and how to make it easier for people to
do business with us. But he also understands how to
use our strength to maximize our opportunities to make money
for the companies here. And that's that's how he drained
the swamp. You know, he definitely wanted to get rid
(11:35):
of people, but the other way is to change the
rules by which they operate. And I think nobody has
had the tenacity and the courage to do that because
those places have been so entrenched for so long. He's
the right man for the job right now.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting Dary's saying, you know, people
who have been in there for decades, like you know,
side of the aisle. Notwithstanding, look at Mitch McConnell. I
mean he actually, you know, I don't even know what
to make of it. He's they're all afforded the opportunity
to retire this guy. Three times I think in the
(12:10):
past year he stood frozen on live television. You see
someone come up alongside him, a you okay, everything okay,
gonna be good. It's that's tough to watch. I don't
want to be a smart ass. It's tough to watch.
I'd love to see Trump plugging term limits. I'd love
to start talking about term limits. It seems like that
that never even gets brought up. Never mind drain the swamp.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, it won't go anywhere, it.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Just won't.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
We had term limits here in Michigan six years you
can do another legislature two three terms in the House
and at first and two terms in the Senate. So
six in the House and six in the Senate. It
was actually recently changed to twelve and twelve because the
institutional memory is lost. So there's an argument that can
be made that, yeah, you probably need term limits, but
(12:59):
what's the right because that just when when you get
too short of a time, the interest groups they run
the legislature. And what you see happening in America, well,
the type of policy that's coming out of these state
houses and coming out of some of these places around
the country and their county governments is because of time limits.
So they're run by the NEA, and they're run by
(13:20):
Planned Parenthood, and they're run by and so you have
this crazy legislative process where now you don't have the
Republicans and the Democrats working together and trying to bring
the best policy forward. You just have an interest group.
So yeah, just just make let it be you know,
a great idea to have a three or four year
old change their sex if they want to. Yeah, that'd
(13:41):
be a good idea. Let's do it and just run it.
And this becomes a law in California, and even Michigan
has a similar law. Where all of these grown up
legislators were sitting there and they end up passing this
stuff out because the interest groups were so strong. So
it's important that we yes, you know, you don't want
a person freezing on television, you don't. You kind of
(14:03):
feel sorry for that guy, But then you're also like, whoa,
but he won't leave now because the Senate picked up
seats and he was in charge and they now are
in the majority. So it's always it's like he was successful,
even though we know that that was a much broader campaign.
But they don't want to leave. This is you know,
most of the people leave from those jobs, they die
(14:23):
soon after. They don't really know what life is without it,
so they don't leave, and his people keep sending them
back and so what is the right number? And how
do we have that discussion in America? And that's a
tough place to be, but I know the American people
are just tired of it.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Oh yeah, tired of all sorts of things. And again
wrong with Kwame Kilpatrick. What is next for you? What
would you like to be next for you?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well, we launched the ministry in Georgia back in January
twenty two. The Lord moved me to just teach his word.
I don't think i'd have went through the hell I
went through if I knew Jesus back then. So I
got a chance to know him and prison big six
foot four Vietnam Vet asked me that I have a
personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. I told him no.
(15:07):
He said, finally some honesty in this place. He discipled
me in and that's what I want to do. And
we just launched a ministry and worship here in Michigan
and we're about to move forward with that. Other than that,
I would like to engage the political system in a
different way with men and women and talk to them
(15:27):
about character and integrity and you know, be to them
what I needed when I was thirty one, and I
took the office of mayor of the City of Detroit.
How we allow our business political acumen to rise, but
also at the same veracity our character integrity, so we
don't have all of these problems in government that we're
doing we have now, And that's one of the things
that I would like to be a friend the government.
(15:49):
And I'm not looking for an appointment to the Grove administration,
but I would support them in any way that they
needed me to do. Because now he's the president of
the United States. Again, he's forty five and forty seven.
So however we can make this country great, I want
to be involved in that as well.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Fantastic stuff. Quite a story, Kwame Killpatrick. I appreciate you
taking the time to come on. Let's stay in touch me.
Maybe have you on a quasi regular basis, if you're
so inclined.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That'll be cool. Yeah, that'd be cool. I like it.
I like the project anytime.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, well, I appreciate that. I'm glad you caught something.
This show's been all over the road today, so I'm
glad whatever you caught was okay as far as you're concerned.
Earlier this morning, there was a lot of nonsense this morning.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
But I like the honesty and I like your moxy.
Let's say I love, I love what you're doing. Keep
it up.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Oh that means a lot to me. Kwame Killpatrick, thanks again.
We'll talk soon.
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