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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Excuse me. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
When America opened the floodgates and let all us Italians in,
they need just to build their cities and did their
subways and to make them richer. The Connedies and the Rockefellers,
they need a worker bees. And there we were. But
some of us didn't want to swarm around their hive
and lose who we were. We wanted to stay Italian
and preserve the things that meant something to us, honor
and family and loyalty, and some of us wanted a
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piece of the action.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
The Vinie Pan Project Talk Jersey with Brett part News
International editor Francis Martel, who I feel like has been
like many women, has been dodging me for months. I feel,
I feel, I mean, when was that? Yeah, you took
some time though, did I don't mean to get personal,
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but did you go on a big, big vacation somewhere
in there or something?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I guess I missed you last month because I always
take I take a vacation after Labor Day. People from
New Jersey know that the beach is very expensive Memorial
Day of Labor Day, So on Labor Day, I always
just believe for a week yeah, spend the time at
the shore, and I guess you know, we always do
first Mondays or first whenever we remember. So I wasn't
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around for that, and I'm sorry and I missed you.
I was not trying to dodge you.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah. Well, no, you know you wouldn't be the first.
You will know, doubt, no doubt, not be the last.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
But you welcome me with with one of the most
important political speeches of all time. Yeah, I think so
Tony Soprano talking about you know, working class populism and
cultural heritage. Great moving.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but
I stand by every word that you I love that character.
I take a lot of hits for that. My daughter
is puzzled that I see him as a loving, complicated
Uh there's self loathing. She's like dad, he's a villain.
He's the bad guy. I just don't view Tony Soprano
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that way, and I don't think that was David Chase's
intention with that character.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, I think there's a big gender difference here because
I think every man can see Tony Soprano and think
if I had made two or three more bad mistakes
in my life, I could have been him, and so
there's a lot more sympathy there. And I think for women,
we think, if we had made a couple of more
mistakes in our life alive, we could be married to him,
and so we hate him.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
That's a really interesting viewpoint. The other thing I've noticed
with women, with young women in particular, is they fall
in love with Christopher and Tony, and Tony's treatment of
Christopher like it bothers. So if you know the series
and you know how it ends, or like he's horrible,
you know it's his cousin and look what he did
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to him. And they're very defensive of Christopher and they
just think he's a vile character. I saw him as
flawed and trying to understand. One of the most moving
scenes in that series for me, and I don't know
how well you remember it was and he realizes that Junior,
you know, it might not be the greatest uncle in
the world. And he just sits there and he goes,
I mean, don't you love me? I thought that was
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that man. Maybe I got to give it up to Gandolfini,
but it really moved me the way he there was
this disbelief, like don't. Don't you love me? He just
wanted to be loved. And when I say that, my
daughter goes, she goes nuts. He's like Tony Soprano did
not She's like dad. He had sex with the one
legged cleaning woman from the Ukraine. Oh, it's a big
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thing in my house, Francis. It's a big thing in
my house.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I mean, I can't wait for my kids to be
old enough to watch it with them because I'm curious.
I think the thing is moving to watch at the time,
but the problem is not. Uh, you know, it's really
hard for me to sympathize with Tony because he passes
that down, all of that thing that he has about
juniors lack of love for him, he passes that down,
particularly the aging right because metal is Yeah, I mean,
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I think Aj thinks his dad hates him because he's
a loser, and you know, he is a loser, like
he shouldn't be. It's good that his parents aren't telling
him that his life is okay, but there's no love
there either, and.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
So you know, yeah, I mean I don't see like
when he grabs AJ's face and he goes, uh, you
make me want to cry because I really know the
show Friends, that's not loving me that He's like, I
don't want this for you. You're you're a good person. I
don't want you to follow in my in my footsteps,
they're not footsteps worth following in. I saw love there.
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That's interesting there you say that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And also, kids don't ever listen to what you say.
They just mimic what you do. So it doesn't matter
how much Tony says my life is terrible, He's not
a valid source of any advice or anything because AJ
just looks at what his dad does and what his
mom does, and he's just gonna imitate that. And that's
what every kid does in every family.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
You know, I think as intelligent as you're wildly intelligent.
Love reading your work for thank you, But I don't
think you watched TV well. I think you missed the
point a lot of I don't think if were we together,
either Lost or Sopranos would have ended our relationship. I
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would not have been able to watch these shows with you.
I think you're missing huge points.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
But I do want to understand by the fact that
this is largely a gender divide, because male villain characters
are way more sympathetic to men than women because they're
always the touch of vulnerability in men that they're always
afraid that they could be that. Yeah, and they just
don't do that to women.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yea, by all means. At this point, and the introduced
the audience to Francis Martel, the feminist.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
This is the Oh, I'm completely a feminist. I self
describe that way, A little F feminist, not a big F.
You know, not we should have men playing women's sports feminists.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
But yes, I know you navigate the line. Well, you
never get it. But after all this antagonism, and I
want to ask you for a favor. I've this was
the episode where I want to ask you, the visit
where I wanted to ask you for a favor. I
see that the New Jersey the governor's race. I don't know.
I don't get it. This pork roll like ugliness. You know,
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I've never I've wanted to try a Jersey pork roll.
I've never had one. I remember the first interview that
I saw decades ago with John bon Jovi, the unofficial
ambassador of Sayreville, New Jersey, talking about a New Jersey
pork roll, and I was intrigued. Is there a way
you can get lung to me.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I'm gonna absolutely try. I mean, we have it all
over the place here. The question is to ship it
so it's not broughten by the time it's in Connecticut.
But yes, you should try. Pork roll. Well, we call
it Saylorham where I'm from, and it's a huge civil
war in the state. But I'm leaning into all allow
pork role. It's delicious, is the breakfast meat. It's flat,
it's perfectly sandwich shaped. You fry it, you eat it
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with eggs and cheese and salt, pepper, ketchup on a
kaiser roll. It's the best.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That sounds like living. I don't know it sounds. It
sounded to me at one point anyway, very much like
Connecticut's ongoing lobster roll controversy. Like there's two ways that
you could get isn't there two ways you could have
a pork roll like and one involves like mustard and
it's cold as opposed to the way you just yeah,
(07:31):
I could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
There could be something weird down in South Jersey. South
Jersey's weird. We love you South Jersey, but you're you're
the strange cousin for sure, it's very possible. I've never
seen that. I've always seen tailor Ham in either a
sandwich and egg, egg and cheese sandwich or as a
size to a breakfast plate with like eggs and home five.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah. Yeah, I just remember the interview where bon Jovi
was talking about when they would finally get home the
tour bus and they would pull up to this place
and we do all have pork rolls, you know, and
the interviewer said, what's a pork roll? And he's like,
what's a port Like, no one.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Gets it, No one the Jersey understands. They're like, it's
a breakfast meet. You could just have sauces. And it's like, no, no,
it's different.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, I better. And what's going on there now? So
one of the candidates there, Mikey Sheryl has said I
think they're gross, and now everybody's up in arms.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah. Well, I think she was trying to say she's
a Democrat, but I'll be fair to her. He's trying
to say that the phrase pork roll is gross because
they asked her if she said pork roll or Taylor Ham,
but she said pork roll. I think it's gross, and
you just can't say that in New Jersey. And she
doesn't understand the depth of spiritual violence that you commit
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if you say that this breakfast meat is gross because
she's not from here, she's from Virginia. He doesn't understand
the state. Her entire attitude is, you know, let me
talk to the manager, lady from from the south. And
it's a very off putting vibe to most people in
New Jersey. And so even though New Jersey is New
Jersey not a blue state, but it has these super
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powerful Democrat political machines that get the vote out for
the Democrats, and it has a very lazy Republican Party,
which is changing now, thank god. But because of that,
it looks like a very blue state. So she's been
coasting off of the political machines to get votes out
for her in places like Essex and Hudson County. But
she is not a very likable character in New Jersey.
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She does not fit the bill. Meanwhile, Jack Cinarelli was
at a deli making fresh mozzarella, you know, on Sunday.
Alities he is New Jersey, and he is actually putting
in the fight going to the blue areas, which is
something I really haven't seen from the Republicans here in
a long time.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, and he marched in the Hispanic state Parade of
New Jersey picking up an endorsement even from Democrats I
read anyway, for some reason, this New Jersey race is
making that Why is it making national headlines? What's at stake?
Care that it's making these national headlines? And how do
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you feel? As like, how long has this mighty ryl
how long has she called New Jersey home? I've always
had a pet peeve, for lack of a better way
of putting it, I want someone, particularly you know, when
you're mayors, maybe even more so than governors, but be
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a lifer, you know, I want you to know the place,
the intricacies, what the problem, the long standing problems have been,
never mind the new ones. The transplant running has always
kind of rubbed me the wrong way. It's a silly
way to look at it, probably because somebody could, I mean,
you know, move somewhere and call it home, live there
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for ten years, see some things that they deem, you know,
eating change. But I like a lifer. I lean towards
the lifer.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, I'm completely with you on this. And New Jersey
has a massive problem with carpetbagging. You know, Phil Murphy
is from Massachusetts. John Corzim is from Massachusetts. So Chris
Christy is a lifer, which is why he was so belligerent.
And you know, the rest of the country was like,
how did you vote this guy in?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
But you know, the Democrats keep sending these people into
our state, who are you know, basically liberal elite. You know,
Mikey Cheryl represents Montclair. Montclair is basically not New Jersey
in the sense that most of the people that live
there are like Stephen Colbert, and these New York liberals
got priced out of New Jersey. Yeah, Montclair has been
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colonized by New Yorkers, And so that's her understanding of
New Jersey, which is not really the culture. You know,
it's not Sayerville, it's not Old Bridge, it's not New York.
It's not Union City, certainly, although she she also marched
in the Hispanic parade, but you know who cares that
she was here. She and she was chaperoned by Union
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City Mayor Brian Stack, who is the most powerful Democrat
in the state. But as I explained in the White
Art article, she essentially won the primary for the governor's race,
because there was this really deep personal and very bitter
feud within the Democrats between Stack, who run is essentially
the most powerful Democrat in Hodson County, and the Mayor
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of Jersey City, Stephen Phullop, who was running for governor.
Stephen Phullop is a very unlikable guy, also a Goldman
Sax guy. He gentrified Jersey City terribly, if you know.
He brought in all the rich New Yorkers and then
the real Jersey people had to move out. He's not
very well liked, and he was out there saying really
mean personal things about Brian Stack and trying to take
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down the Hudson County Democratic organization. There's really bitter civil
war going in there, and it was, you know, Pyrick
like everybody lost. And then Mikey sh was the last
woman's standing. So the Democrats in New Jersey, the really
smart ones like Brian Stack, they ended up backing her,
not because they have any particular faith in her political abilities,
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but because they hated Stephen full Of so much. They
hate Stephen pull Of so much that full Of just
announced he's just moving to New York City now. He
endorsed the mom Nannie government grocery store plan. And now
he's just leaving the state. So that's how much they
hated him. So to me, that says that the smart
people in New Jersey never wanted Cheryl to be the
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one to run against Chitarelly, but they're stuck with her.
And now she's out there saying that poor role is
gross and that's you know, that's not going to go
well for her.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, that's like somebody running in Connecticut and being like,
pizza is overrated. It's just not going away for it.
You know, I loved your line right there. Montclair has
been colonized by New York. It's really interesting. Connecticut's got
a you know, there was a New York exodus a
couple of years back that took apped up a lot
of property here in Connecticut, jacked up rents as a result.
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But then you wrap that up with somebody moving to
New York because they liked what did you say, Because
they liked mom Donnie's what grocery.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
So the mayor of Jersey City announced this morning he
confirmed the report that he's moving to New York City
to help with New York City administrative stuff, and a
few months ago. He came out and he said, people
are gonna laugh about Mom Donnie making government supermarkets, but
I think it's a good idea. And it turns out
he was angling for a job in New York because
everyone in New Jersey hates him so much that won
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his term as mayor ends he's not gonna have a job,
so he's essentially been run out of the state. And
this was who was running against Mikey Cheryl, and that's
why she won.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, Oh that's what. And I wanted to get your
take too. The clock is taking Aaron, but I know
you could be succinct if you need to be. But
I'd love to even talk to you again about Mom
Donnie and how dangerous. I really do think he is
just even the latest his life, latest move, And I
know it was a Deblasio notion from years ago, scrapping
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the Talented and Gifted program for kids in favor of equity.
I think that's just so misguided and it's insulting. It's
as if to say, well, there couldn't. He says it
benefits only the white and Asian, as if there are
no brown or black children who were deemed some of
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the greatest artists of the nineties in New York went
to the were snapped up as children and put in
the Talented and Gifted program. I don't know how this
guy's getting away with half of his sound bites.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I agree, and it's because he is a really good
actor and a millennial cringe guy. And there's a lot
of people, unfortunately my age, who missed millennial cringe like,
they still think Hamilton is good. They still think Johnson
were is smart. And he's playing into those people. And
then he's saying crazy stuff. But he's making as making
fun of the Bachelor, and everyone's like, oh, he's so
cute and not listening to a working game and he's
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a hardened communist and like that's you know that people
are voting for the aesthetic and for the appeal of
nostalgia for being young ten years So that's.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
What that's what do you think he's gonna He's going
to run away with it though, Francis, I.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Mean, I don't see how Clomo, after murdering all those people,
was responsible for some deests. Please do not sue me,
but you all know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
And I love that Curtis is in the mix. But
I don't think he's got a shot in hell either.
I mean, I think my mom Donnie walks away with us,
and that makes New York in a few years very
quickly a very scary place to me. And I don't
know how he's pulling it off, but he is.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah. You know, the only good thing is, you know
when usually when someone this bad wins, in the next cycle,
people will turn it around. New York will find a charismatic,
you know, Conservati leader that will come back where we'll
find another Giuliani because that's how the cycle goes. So
you know, this one's a rough one. But hopefully people
will learn from the mistake of electing this guy if
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it turns out that what we all expect to happen
does happen.
Excuse me. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
When America opened the floodgates and let all us Italians in,
they need just to build their cities and did their
subways and to make them richer. The Connedies and the Rockefellers,
they need a worker bees. And there we were. But
some of us didn't want to swarm around their hive
and lose who we were. We wanted to stay Italian
and preserve the things that meant something to us, honor
and family and loyalty, and some of us wanted a
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piece of the action.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
The Vinie Pan Project Talk Jersey with Brett part News
International editor Francis Martel, who I feel like has been
like many women, has been dodging me for months. I feel,
I feel, I mean, when was that? Yeah, you took
some time though, did I don't mean to get personal,
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but did you go on a big, big vacation somewhere
in there or something?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I guess I missed you last month because I always
take I take a vacation after Labor Day. People from
New Jersey know that the beach is very expensive Memorial
Day of Labor Day, So on Labor Day, I always
just believe for a week yeah, spend the time at
the shore, and I guess you know, we always do
first Mondays or first whenever we remember. So I wasn't
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around for that, and I'm sorry and I missed you.
I was not trying to dodge you.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah. Well, no, you know you wouldn't be the first.
You will know, doubt, no doubt, not be the last.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
But you welcome me with with one of the most
important political speeches of all time. Yeah, I think so
Tony Soprano talking about you know, working class populism and
cultural heritage. Great moving.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but
I stand by every word that you I love that character.
I take a lot of hits for that. My daughter
is puzzled that I see him as a loving, complicated
Uh there's self loathing. She's like dad, he's a villain.
He's the bad guy. I just don't view Tony Soprano
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that way, and I don't think that was David Chase's
intention with that character.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, I think there's a big gender difference here because
I think every man can see Tony Soprano and think
if I had made two or three more bad mistakes
in my life, I could have been him, and so
there's a lot more sympathy there. And I think for women,
we think, if we had made a couple of more
mistakes in our life alive, we could be married to him,
and so we hate him.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
That's a really interesting viewpoint. The other thing I've noticed
with women, with young women in particular, is they fall
in love with Christopher and Tony, and Tony's treatment of
Christopher like it bothers. So if you know the series
and you know how it ends, or like he's horrible,
you know it's his cousin and look what he did
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to him. And they're very defensive of Christopher and they
just think he's a vile character. I saw him as
flawed and trying to understand. One of the most moving
scenes in that series for me, and I don't know
how well you remember it was and he realizes that Junior,
you know, it might not be the greatest uncle in
the world. And he just sits there and he goes,
I mean, don't you love me? I thought that was
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that man. Maybe I got to give it up to Gandolfini,
but it really moved me the way he there was
this disbelief, like don't. Don't you love me? He just
wanted to be loved. And when I say that, my
daughter goes, she goes nuts. He's like Tony Soprano did
not She's like dad. He had sex with the one
legged cleaning woman from the Ukraine. Oh, it's a big
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thing in my house, Francis. It's a big thing in
my house.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I mean, I can't wait for my kids to be
old enough to watch it with them because I'm curious.
I think the thing is moving to watch at the time,
but the problem is not. Uh, you know, it's really
hard for me to sympathize with Tony because he passes
that down, all of that thing that he has about
juniors lack of love for him, he passes that down,
particularly the aging right because metal is Yeah, I mean,
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I think Aj thinks his dad hates him because he's
a loser, and you know, he is a loser, like
he shouldn't be. It's good that his parents aren't telling
him that his life is okay, but there's no love
there either, and.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
So you know, yeah, I mean I don't see like
when he grabs AJ's face and he goes, uh, you
make me want to cry because I really know the
show Friends, that's not loving me that He's like, I
don't want this for you. You're you're a good person. I
don't want you to follow in my in my footsteps,
they're not footsteps worth following in. I saw love there.
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That's interesting there you say that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And also, kids don't ever listen to what you say.
They just mimic what you do. So it doesn't matter
how much Tony says my life is terrible, He's not
a valid source of any advice or anything because AJ
just looks at what his dad does and what his
mom does, and he's just gonna imitate that. And that's
what every kid does in every family.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
You know, I think as intelligent as you're wildly intelligent.
Love reading your work for thank you, But I don't
think you watched TV well. I think you missed the
point a lot of I don't think if were we together,
either Lost or Sopranos would have ended our relationship. I
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would not have been able to watch these shows with you.
I think you're missing huge points.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
But I do want to understand by the fact that
this is largely a gender divide, because male villain characters
are way more sympathetic to men than women because they're
always the touch of vulnerability in men that they're always
afraid that they could be that. Yeah, and they just
don't do that to women.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yea, by all means. At this point, and the introduced
the audience to Francis Martel, the feminist.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
This is the Oh, I'm completely a feminist. I self
describe that way, A little F feminist, not a big F.
You know, not we should have men playing women's sports feminists.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
But yes, I know you navigate the line. Well, you
never get it. But after all this antagonism, and I
want to ask you for a favor. I've this was
the episode where I want to ask you, the visit
where I wanted to ask you for a favor. I
see that the New Jersey the governor's race. I don't know.
I don't get it. This pork roll like ugliness. You know,
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I've never I've wanted to try a Jersey pork roll.
I've never had one. I remember the first interview that
I saw decades ago with John bon Jovi, the unofficial
ambassador of Sayreville, New Jersey, talking about a New Jersey
pork roll, and I was intrigued. Is there a way
you can get lung to me.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I'm gonna absolutely try. I mean, we have it all
over the place here. The question is to ship it
so it's not broughten by the time it's in Connecticut.
But yes, you should try. Pork roll. Well, we call
it Saylorham where I'm from, and it's a huge civil
war in the state. But I'm leaning into all allow
pork role. It's delicious, is the breakfast meat. It's flat,
it's perfectly sandwich shaped. You fry it, you eat it
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with eggs and cheese and salt, pepper, ketchup on a
kaiser roll. It's the best.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That sounds like living. I don't know it sounds. It
sounded to me at one point anyway, very much like
Connecticut's ongoing lobster roll controversy. Like there's two ways that
you could get isn't there two ways you could have
a pork roll like and one involves like mustard and
it's cold as opposed to the way you just yeah,
(07:31):
I could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
There could be something weird down in South Jersey. South
Jersey's weird. We love you South Jersey, but you're you're
the strange cousin for sure, it's very possible. I've never
seen that. I've always seen tailor Ham in either a
sandwich and egg, egg and cheese sandwich or as a
size to a breakfast plate with like eggs and home five.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah. Yeah, I just remember the interview where bon Jovi
was talking about when they would finally get home the
tour bus and they would pull up to this place
and we do all have pork rolls, you know, and
the interviewer said, what's a pork roll? And he's like,
what's a port Like, no one.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Gets it, No one the Jersey understands. They're like, it's
a breakfast meet. You could just have sauces. And it's like, no, no,
it's different.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, I better. And what's going on there now? So
one of the candidates there, Mikey Sheryl has said I
think they're gross, and now everybody's up in arms.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah. Well, I think she was trying to say she's
a Democrat, but I'll be fair to her. He's trying
to say that the phrase pork roll is gross because
they asked her if she said pork roll or Taylor Ham,
but she said pork roll. I think it's gross, and
you just can't say that in New Jersey. And she
doesn't understand the depth of spiritual violence that you commit
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if you say that this breakfast meat is gross because
she's not from here, she's from Virginia. He doesn't understand
the state. Her entire attitude is, you know, let me
talk to the manager, lady from from the south. And
it's a very off putting vibe to most people in
New Jersey. And so even though New Jersey is New
Jersey not a blue state, but it has these super
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powerful Democrat political machines that get the vote out for
the Democrats, and it has a very lazy Republican Party,
which is changing now, thank god. But because of that,
it looks like a very blue state. So she's been
coasting off of the political machines to get votes out
for her in places like Essex and Hudson County. But
she is not a very likable character in New Jersey.
(09:32):
She does not fit the bill. Meanwhile, Jack Cinarelli was
at a deli making fresh mozzarella, you know, on Sunday.
Alities he is New Jersey, and he is actually putting
in the fight going to the blue areas, which is
something I really haven't seen from the Republicans here in
a long time.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, and he marched in the Hispanic state Parade of
New Jersey picking up an endorsement even from Democrats I
read anyway, for some reason, this New Jersey race is
making that Why is it making national headlines? What's at stake?
Care that it's making these national headlines? And how do
(10:10):
you feel? As like, how long has this mighty ryl
how long has she called New Jersey home? I've always
had a pet peeve, for lack of a better way
of putting it, I want someone, particularly you know, when
you're mayors, maybe even more so than governors, but be
(10:33):
a lifer, you know, I want you to know the place,
the intricacies, what the problem, the long standing problems have been,
never mind the new ones. The transplant running has always
kind of rubbed me the wrong way. It's a silly
way to look at it, probably because somebody could, I mean,
you know, move somewhere and call it home, live there
(10:54):
for ten years, see some things that they deem, you know,
eating change. But I like a lifer. I lean towards
the lifer.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, I'm completely with you on this. And New Jersey
has a massive problem with carpetbagging. You know, Phil Murphy
is from Massachusetts. John Corzim is from Massachusetts. So Chris
Christy is a lifer, which is why he was so belligerent.
And you know, the rest of the country was like,
how did you vote this guy in?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
But you know, the Democrats keep sending these people into
our state, who are you know, basically liberal elite. You know,
Mikey Cheryl represents Montclair. Montclair is basically not New Jersey
in the sense that most of the people that live
there are like Stephen Colbert, and these New York liberals
got priced out of New Jersey. Yeah, Montclair has been
(11:47):
colonized by New Yorkers, And so that's her understanding of
New Jersey, which is not really the culture. You know,
it's not Sayerville, it's not Old Bridge, it's not New York.
It's not Union City, certainly, although she she also marched
in the Hispanic parade, but you know who cares that
she was here. She and she was chaperoned by Union
(12:08):
City Mayor Brian Stack, who is the most powerful Democrat
in the state. But as I explained in the White
Art article, she essentially won the primary for the governor's race,
because there was this really deep personal and very bitter
feud within the Democrats between Stack, who run is essentially
the most powerful Democrat in Hodson County, and the Mayor
(12:29):
of Jersey City, Stephen Phullop, who was running for governor.
Stephen Phullop is a very unlikable guy, also a Goldman
Sax guy. He gentrified Jersey City terribly, if you know.
He brought in all the rich New Yorkers and then
the real Jersey people had to move out. He's not
very well liked, and he was out there saying really
mean personal things about Brian Stack and trying to take
(12:51):
down the Hudson County Democratic organization. There's really bitter civil
war going in there, and it was, you know, Pyrick
like everybody lost. And then Mikey sh was the last
woman's standing. So the Democrats in New Jersey, the really
smart ones like Brian Stack, they ended up backing her,
not because they have any particular faith in her political abilities,
(13:12):
but because they hated Stephen full Of so much. They
hate Stephen pull Of so much that full Of just
announced he's just moving to New York City now. He
endorsed the mom Nannie government grocery store plan. And now
he's just leaving the state. So that's how much they
hated him. So to me, that says that the smart
people in New Jersey never wanted Cheryl to be the
(13:33):
one to run against Chitarelly, but they're stuck with her.
And now she's out there saying that poor role is
gross and that's you know, that's not going to go
well for her.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, that's like somebody running in Connecticut and being like,
pizza is overrated. It's just not going away for it.
You know, I loved your line right there. Montclair has
been colonized by New York. It's really interesting. Connecticut's got
a you know, there was a New York exodus a
couple of years back that took apped up a lot
of property here in Connecticut, jacked up rents as a result.
(14:05):
But then you wrap that up with somebody moving to
New York because they liked what did you say, Because
they liked mom Donnie's what grocery.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
So the mayor of Jersey City announced this morning he
confirmed the report that he's moving to New York City
to help with New York City administrative stuff, and a
few months ago. He came out and he said, people
are gonna laugh about Mom Donnie making government supermarkets, but
I think it's a good idea. And it turns out
he was angling for a job in New York because
everyone in New Jersey hates him so much that won
(14:34):
his term as mayor ends he's not gonna have a job,
so he's essentially been run out of the state. And
this was who was running against Mikey Cheryl, and that's
why she won.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, Oh that's what. And I wanted to get your
take too. The clock is taking Aaron, but I know
you could be succinct if you need to be. But
I'd love to even talk to you again about Mom
Donnie and how dangerous. I really do think he is
just even the latest his life, latest move, And I
know it was a Deblasio notion from years ago, scrapping
(15:04):
the Talented and Gifted program for kids in favor of equity.
I think that's just so misguided and it's insulting. It's
as if to say, well, there couldn't. He says it
benefits only the white and Asian, as if there are
no brown or black children who were deemed some of
(15:26):
the greatest artists of the nineties in New York went
to the were snapped up as children and put in
the Talented and Gifted program. I don't know how this
guy's getting away with half of his sound bites.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I agree, and it's because he is a really good
actor and a millennial cringe guy. And there's a lot
of people, unfortunately my age, who missed millennial cringe like,
they still think Hamilton is good. They still think Johnson
were is smart. And he's playing into those people. And
then he's saying crazy stuff. But he's making as making
fun of the Bachelor, and everyone's like, oh, he's so
cute and not listening to a working game and he's
(16:05):
a hardened communist and like that's you know that people
are voting for the aesthetic and for the appeal of
nostalgia for being young ten years So that's.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
What that's what do you think he's gonna He's going
to run away with it though, Francis, I.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Mean, I don't see how Clomo, after murdering all those people,
was responsible for some deests. Please do not sue me,
but you all know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
And I love that Curtis is in the mix. But
I don't think he's got a shot in hell either.
I mean, I think my mom Donnie walks away with us,
and that makes New York in a few years very
quickly a very scary place to me. And I don't
know how he's pulling it off, but he is.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah. You know, the only good thing is, you know
when usually when someone this bad wins, in the next cycle,
people will turn it around. New York will find a charismatic,
you know, Conservati leader that will come back where we'll
find another Giuliani because that's how the cycle goes. So
you know, this one's a rough one. But hopefully people
will learn from the mistake of electing this guy if
(17:11):
it turns out that what we all expect to happen
does happen.
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