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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the show, brettpart News International editor Francis Martel,
I'm sorry you got to wait until the base that
driving baseline was done.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
No, No, that's fantastic welcoming me with such a funky baseline.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Well, I'm also aware that you're you're a passenger on
the Soul Train, so.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I figured, great classic show.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that before we
get into these stories, these recent stories of yours involving
South Korea, involving China for Breitbart. But I saw that
you're like showing old episodes of Soul Trained to my kids.
I went through so much of that midnight special was
the show that I showed my kids. I got that
(00:46):
on DVD. At one point, are you going through the thing? Francis,
I don't know their ages right now. Where some of
your old shows they're like love it, and then other
ones they're just not. They're out and you're like, I
don't get it. This is a great show. Oh what
are you missing about this show? Because that happen a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It depends on the kids. So I have two kids,
two girls, six and three almost four, and I feel like,
you know, my kids are half Cuban, half white, and like,
my older one is a lot more Cuban than my.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Younger one's interest.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I was showing them. I was showing them Soul Trains yesterday,
which I love. It's like the most joyous, you know,
show ever. And my older one is like, oh, we're
doing the conga line and the kitchen like she's fall
into it, dancing, and my younger one's just staring at
the screen like, why are these people moving so strangely? Yeah,
(01:40):
completely pzoic, and the other one's like doing her own
Soul Train line in the house. Now.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I got to ask the question, though, what do you
know of Soul training? Soul Train was barely still on
because I'm so much older than you. I'm fifty eight.
I don't I really don't even know how old you are, Francis.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I'm thirty seventy.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, I knew I had.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I'm a millennial.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I mean, Soul Training was was I getting even new episodes?
If I was? I mean, because I'm a child of
the seventies, it felt like it was. I mean, I'm
looking right now. Final episode date has it March two
thousand and six. I don't know what that is an
end of a syndication run. But I'm surprised you even
(02:20):
know of the show. How did you come?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
It's not my culture, right, I was. I'm a millennial.
I grew up with like, you know, when the Killers
in Franz Ferdinand were like just starting. That was really
my when I was getting into music, Bran.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I mean, I was in my thirties playing that on
Top forty radio. Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah. So, but my parents are disco people and they
raised me. You know, we always had to turn table
at home. We always had these old classic disco records
and that was you know, it was all either Hispanic
music or seventies disco, and so I grew up with
a really deep appreciation of that music. And that music
was really important for them culturally. I think because they
(03:00):
got here My mom got here in nineteen seventy my
dad in nineteen seventy three. Not speaking a lick of English,
you can only imagine the trauma. You know, they were
like thirteen and sixteen years old and they lost their country.
They don't even know where they are. Everybody in high
school super racist, and the only place they felt they
could go was to dance, and that music in that
(03:22):
environment was really important to their acclamations in the United States,
so they were really big on it, and I grew
up with it, and I grew up with SoulTrain and
all that stuff. But now I'm passing it down even
though it really wasn't. It's I don't claim it as,
you know, my culture, but it is something that is
important to me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, Well I tried to pass down all the music.
Some sticks, some doesn't. You have to bounce this one
off your parents. The Marilyn mcoo and Billy Davis Junior
show that was like that was on back to back
with Soul Train when I was a kid. Deep Cut Wow,
that Marilyn McCoo and Billy Davis Junior. I loved it.
(04:00):
It was a great job. But that you're you're in
such a great I'm sure you're you're overwhelmed to a degree.
But I loved those ages. I say all the time
and again, four was my favorite age for both of
my kids. They were astonishing human beings at four. Everything
they said, the way they smelled, the way they they
(04:21):
took things in the conversations. I was able to conversations
I had with my four year old daughter were some
of the deepest, most memorable conversations of my life. It's
really something, and I don't think a lot of parents
know you can sit. They think, oh, they're bouncing off
the walls. Nah, it's you.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
They're soaking it all Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
They're soaking it all in.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Maybe I don't want to say that because I feel
like mainstream media, you know, TikTok whatever, it's a constant
bombardment of how terrible parenthood is totally and people getting younger,
all they get is the bad stuff. And I think
it's because it's easy to explain the bad stuff. You know,
you have to sleep up and sometimes you feel like
you aren't even the main person in your life the heart.
(05:05):
The hard stuff to explain is the good stuff. But
it's so beyond like you you will never experience greater
joy than, like you said, just sharing a band that
you like with your kid, or going to the playground
and seeing them, you know, conquer a rock wall like
And you can't explain that to be who don't have kids.
But I think it's really important to put that out
there that there is a reward to parenthood. It's phenomenal.
(05:29):
It is the most fulfilling. You know, you have no
existential feelings at all. Want you have a kid. The
meaning of life is very clear that that is, you know,
that is the best reward you get from having kids
and then just seeing you know, the fun of seeing
who they become. They get every day they're a little
older and they just blossom into new people. Yeah, it's
(05:49):
so much fun.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
There's actually a great line in the film Lost in
Translation with Bill Murray and Scarlet Johansson. I don't know
if you ever saw it, you should.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
One of my favorites. I saw that at probably like
way too influential in age. I think I thought when
I was like sixteen or sixteen.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
More depression because I was. I was in my early thirties.
And but when Bill Murray says Scarlett Joyanson asks him
about parenting, he goes, they're just the most wonderful people
you're ever going to meet. They ask you all of
these questions. And his dialogue in that scene, if you
recall it, where she's telling him she went through her
(06:25):
obligatory photographer phase that all girls go through, which I
thought was pretty pretty interesting as well. What he says
there is great. You just said something really great, though Francis.
Social media is bat I think is really bad news
as far as parenting is concerned. All it does is
put out these powerful memes with the sound of the
ocean beneath it. Don't don't forget you, because if there
(06:49):
is no you, you can't be there for them. You
need your sisters. Don't forget your sisters, your soldiers. It's
all about reclaiming you. While your kids three, there is
no they're going to be three for exactly one year
by the time there, you know. And I think there's
(07:10):
a lot of that, and I think a lot of
I do feel friends moms more than dads fall for that. Like, wow,
it's true. I got to make sure I schedule a
girl's night a weekly. Girls. You're missing great nights. You're
just missing a time in your life you'll never get back.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, And the thing is you can do that, like
no one's taking away girls night from you, or if
you have, you know, a partner and a support system
to help you out with that. I mean, you know,
I haven't had like a real date in you know,
seven years, but I don't really you know, you can
just open a bottle while at home at the end
of the night. It's not like a big deal, and
they make it into this huge deal where you're not
(07:48):
you know, they tell childless people and especially childless women,
you're not allowed to be yourself after you have a kid,
and that is not true. You just have to schedule
it differently. That's really all it is.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, your kids want to meet you, they want to
get to know you. I remember getting into it before
my divorce. Tragically. I had said to my accent, I'm like,
they never they never met you, Like you're a blast
in your in your twenties and very cool and quite
a character, and they're gonna go down being like, oh,
(08:19):
you know, love mom Momy yelled a lot, but they
never saw you, never danced in the living room, shared
your records with them. They don't know you, and you're
worth knowing. And I felt that way, and that was
a big That was an uncomfortable exchange we had that
could bring tears to my eyes if I let it.
But your kids they want to know you. They don't
(08:41):
want to find out about you after you're gone. I
did with my father. I found out exactly who he
was after he was gone. And it's like, ah, I
wish I knew all this stuff when he was here.
What could his finding it out now?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, and they want to know you and your friends.
By the way, like, if you have good friends in
your life, they're gonna want to meet your kids. And
instead of you know, you know you're killing the from
the friend group because you're a mom the child with
people who have nothing else to do, are excited to
come and bring a bunch of toys to your kids.
Hang out with your kids, no embarrassing stories you're killing.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Have you lost some friends like that?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Oh no, No, I keep hearing that I'm going to
lose them, and they keep showing up with toys. Can
make you being excited to have my kids in their life.
So that's another thing I see as propaganda online that
is not reflective of my real life.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I was so excited when friends of mine they did
it much sooner than I did. I was in my
mid thirties by the time I became a dad. I
had friends who did it early twenties, mid twenties. I
was excited to meet each and every one of their
little ones. One of my guys I grew up with
his daughter and I like we became like best friends.
I was taking her to concerts. We were very close.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I did not get that back though they were my friends,
disappeared when I became a father. They're like, well, You're
not gonna be wild and crazy anymore. And I'm like, well,
you should see my living room. I mean, you used
to see me in nightclubs. I'm really the same in
the living room that I was at the nightclub for
better or worse, and it was a sad thing to
(10:16):
to weather, a sad storm to weather. But nonetheless, this
is a podcast perhaps that you and I should do
Francis for real.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, I mean I love the topic. Yeah, it's my
everyday life, and I think it's reflects on what I
do at worse too. I mean I think they compliment
each other. I'm a better writer and a better journalist
because I have kids, and I think I'm a better
mom because I know all this stuff about the world.
So do it all plays together?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Do you ever want to weigh in? Do you weigh in?
Like I see guys like Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk,
you know, people who we are at the same universe,
and they're even the vice president. They're talking about you know,
the death of the family and divorces on the on
the rise. Uh. And but they it's like they don't
(11:09):
know why. And it's like it's I see, I see
why that's happening. But these guys are so how do
I put it, there's such traditionalists. They just think, you know,
man pound chest woman, cook on stove all well, and
it's like, now you're missing what's really going on. And
(11:29):
it is the It is these memes and it is
these influencers who are have a power they shouldn't have.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
And it's working because there are there are I just
see them talking about the death of the traditional family
a lot, but they don't know the reasons why. It
seems to me, yeah, and I mean I don't think that.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
The traditional family is dying. I mean I'm part of
a home school coop where I know people with five
six seven kis that exists in the in the States,
and they're they're super traditional and that works for some people.
It doesn't work for me. I have you know, I
worked too hard to be the journalist that I am
where I feel like if I took that out of
my life, it's exactly what you said about your kids
(12:14):
want to meet you. I want my kids to know
me the journalist. That's a piece of me that's important
to be parenting. But I know people who are stay
at home moms with a son of kids, and that's
you know, that fulfills them. So I'm not going to
knock that decision at all. It's just not for me.
But that's very much alive. The issue is again, it's
a combination of this, like I said, this online propaganda
(12:36):
that is constantly telling childless people that your life is
over if you have a kid. And also, you know,
when we were young, young millennials in school, every day
we were told if you get pregnant, your life is over.
And you know, the point was to prevent in pregnancy.
But somehow they're women who are like thirty five and
they're like, I can't get pregnant because I'll be a
teen mom. Like the mentality is still there. Yeah, And
(12:58):
so that's part of it. Part of it is the
support system too. You know, a lot more I think
is expectant of millennial parents than the generation before. Like
from what I've heard, people used to just kick their
kids out in the streets all day to play, and
that can't that doesn't happen anymore. There's like child's care expectations.
I think millennial fathers are the most involved fathers in
(13:19):
American history. They are there, they are changing diapers, they
are you know, babysitting for their moms, and it's a
big burden. And so maybe that looks like the traditional
family is dying because you know, dad's changing diapers. But
that's not bad. You know, that's actually pretty good. Yeah,
but the problem is it strains the parents and it
scares off the childless people who might want to have kids,
(13:41):
but they think, you know, maybe I'm not built for that,
maybe I can't hack it, and everybody can hack it.
You're never going to be ready to have a kid,
you know, there's no preparation that will make you ready.
You just have to do it. But a lot for
a lot of people, it's understandably scary because all you
hear is the bad stuff.
Welcome to the show, brettpart News International editor Francis Martel,
I'm sorry you got to wait until the base that
driving baseline was done.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
No, No, that's fantastic welcoming me with such a funky baseline.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Well, I'm also aware that you're you're a passenger on
the Soul Train, so.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I figured, great classic show.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that before we
get into these stories, these recent stories of yours involving
South Korea, involving China for Breitbart. But I saw that
you're like showing old episodes of Soul Trained to my kids.
I went through so much of that midnight special was
the show that I showed my kids. I got that
(00:46):
on DVD. At one point, are you going through the thing? Francis,
I don't know their ages right now. Where some of
your old shows they're like love it, and then other
ones they're just not. They're out and you're like, I
don't get it. This is a great show. Oh what
are you missing about this show? Because that happen a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It depends on the kids. So I have two kids,
two girls, six and three almost four, and I feel like,
you know, my kids are half Cuban, half white, and like,
my older one is a lot more Cuban than my.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Younger one's interest.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I was showing them. I was showing them Soul Trains yesterday,
which I love. It's like the most joyous, you know,
show ever. And my older one is like, oh, we're
doing the conga line and the kitchen like she's fall
into it, dancing, and my younger one's just staring at
the screen like, why are these people moving so strangely? Yeah,
(01:40):
completely pzoic, and the other one's like doing her own
Soul Train line in the house. Now.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I got to ask the question, though, what do you
know of Soul training? Soul Train was barely still on
because I'm so much older than you. I'm fifty eight.
I don't I really don't even know how old you are, Francis.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I'm thirty seventy.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, I knew I had.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I'm a millennial.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I mean, Soul Training was was I getting even new episodes?
If I was? I mean, because I'm a child of
the seventies, it felt like it was. I mean, I'm
looking right now. Final episode date has it March two
thousand and six. I don't know what that is an
end of a syndication run. But I'm surprised you even
(02:20):
know of the show. How did you come?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
It's not my culture, right, I was. I'm a millennial.
I grew up with like, you know, when the Killers
in Franz Ferdinand were like just starting. That was really
my when I was getting into music, Bran.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I mean, I was in my thirties playing that on
Top forty radio. Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah. So, but my parents are disco people and they
raised me. You know, we always had to turn table
at home. We always had these old classic disco records
and that was you know, it was all either Hispanic
music or seventies disco, and so I grew up with
a really deep appreciation of that music. And that music
was really important for them culturally. I think because they
(03:00):
got here My mom got here in nineteen seventy my
dad in nineteen seventy three. Not speaking a lick of English,
you can only imagine the trauma. You know, they were
like thirteen and sixteen years old and they lost their country.
They don't even know where they are. Everybody in high
school super racist, and the only place they felt they
could go was to dance, and that music in that
(03:22):
environment was really important to their acclamations in the United States,
so they were really big on it, and I grew
up with it, and I grew up with SoulTrain and
all that stuff. But now I'm passing it down even
though it really wasn't. It's I don't claim it as,
you know, my culture, but it is something that is
important to me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, Well I tried to pass down all the music.
Some sticks, some doesn't. You have to bounce this one
off your parents. The Marilyn mcoo and Billy Davis Junior
show that was like that was on back to back
with Soul Train when I was a kid. Deep Cut Wow,
that Marilyn McCoo and Billy Davis Junior. I loved it.
(04:00):
It was a great job. But that you're you're in
such a great I'm sure you're you're overwhelmed to a degree.
But I loved those ages. I say all the time
and again, four was my favorite age for both of
my kids. They were astonishing human beings at four. Everything
they said, the way they smelled, the way they they
(04:21):
took things in the conversations. I was able to conversations
I had with my four year old daughter were some
of the deepest, most memorable conversations of my life. It's
really something, and I don't think a lot of parents
know you can sit. They think, oh, they're bouncing off
the walls. Nah, it's you.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
They're soaking it all Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
They're soaking it all in.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Maybe I don't want to say that because I feel
like mainstream media, you know, TikTok whatever, it's a constant
bombardment of how terrible parenthood is totally and people getting younger,
all they get is the bad stuff. And I think
it's because it's easy to explain the bad stuff. You know,
you have to sleep up and sometimes you feel like
you aren't even the main person in your life the heart.
(05:05):
The hard stuff to explain is the good stuff. But
it's so beyond like you you will never experience greater
joy than, like you said, just sharing a band that
you like with your kid, or going to the playground
and seeing them, you know, conquer a rock wall like
And you can't explain that to be who don't have kids.
But I think it's really important to put that out
there that there is a reward to parenthood. It's phenomenal.
(05:29):
It is the most fulfilling. You know, you have no
existential feelings at all. Want you have a kid. The
meaning of life is very clear that that is, you know,
that is the best reward you get from having kids
and then just seeing you know, the fun of seeing
who they become. They get every day they're a little
older and they just blossom into new people. Yeah, it's
(05:49):
so much fun.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
There's actually a great line in the film Lost in
Translation with Bill Murray and Scarlet Johansson. I don't know
if you ever saw it, you should.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
One of my favorites. I saw that at probably like
way too influential in age. I think I thought when
I was like sixteen or sixteen.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
More depression because I was. I was in my early thirties.
And but when Bill Murray says Scarlett Joyanson asks him
about parenting, he goes, they're just the most wonderful people
you're ever going to meet. They ask you all of
these questions. And his dialogue in that scene, if you
recall it, where she's telling him she went through her
(06:25):
obligatory photographer phase that all girls go through, which I
thought was pretty pretty interesting as well. What he says
there is great. You just said something really great, though Francis.
Social media is bat I think is really bad news
as far as parenting is concerned. All it does is
put out these powerful memes with the sound of the
ocean beneath it. Don't don't forget you, because if there
(06:49):
is no you, you can't be there for them. You
need your sisters. Don't forget your sisters, your soldiers. It's
all about reclaiming you. While your kids three, there is
no they're going to be three for exactly one year
by the time there, you know. And I think there's
(07:10):
a lot of that, and I think a lot of
I do feel friends moms more than dads fall for that. Like, wow,
it's true. I got to make sure I schedule a
girl's night a weekly. Girls. You're missing great nights. You're
just missing a time in your life you'll never get back.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, And the thing is you can do that, like
no one's taking away girls night from you, or if
you have, you know, a partner and a support system
to help you out with that. I mean, you know,
I haven't had like a real date in you know,
seven years, but I don't really you know, you can
just open a bottle while at home at the end
of the night. It's not like a big deal, and
they make it into this huge deal where you're not
(07:48):
you know, they tell childless people and especially childless women,
you're not allowed to be yourself after you have a kid,
and that is not true. You just have to schedule
it differently. That's really all it is.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, your kids want to meet you, they want to
get to know you. I remember getting into it before
my divorce. Tragically. I had said to my accent, I'm like,
they never they never met you, Like you're a blast
in your in your twenties and very cool and quite
a character, and they're gonna go down being like, oh,
(08:19):
you know, love mom Momy yelled a lot, but they
never saw you, never danced in the living room, shared
your records with them. They don't know you, and you're
worth knowing. And I felt that way, and that was
a big That was an uncomfortable exchange we had that
could bring tears to my eyes if I let it.
But your kids they want to know you. They don't
(08:41):
want to find out about you after you're gone. I
did with my father. I found out exactly who he
was after he was gone. And it's like, ah, I
wish I knew all this stuff when he was here.
What could his finding it out now?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, and they want to know you and your friends.
By the way, like, if you have good friends in
your life, they're gonna want to meet your kids. And
instead of you know, you know you're killing the from
the friend group because you're a mom the child with
people who have nothing else to do, are excited to
come and bring a bunch of toys to your kids.
Hang out with your kids, no embarrassing stories you're killing.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Have you lost some friends like that?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Oh no, No, I keep hearing that I'm going to
lose them, and they keep showing up with toys. Can
make you being excited to have my kids in their life.
So that's another thing I see as propaganda online that
is not reflective of my real life.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I was so excited when friends of mine they did
it much sooner than I did. I was in my
mid thirties by the time I became a dad. I
had friends who did it early twenties, mid twenties. I
was excited to meet each and every one of their
little ones. One of my guys I grew up with
his daughter and I like we became like best friends.
I was taking her to concerts. We were very close.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I did not get that back though they were my friends,
disappeared when I became a father. They're like, well, You're
not gonna be wild and crazy anymore. And I'm like, well,
you should see my living room. I mean, you used
to see me in nightclubs. I'm really the same in
the living room that I was at the nightclub for
better or worse, and it was a sad thing to
(10:16):
to weather, a sad storm to weather. But nonetheless, this
is a podcast perhaps that you and I should do
Francis for real.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, I mean I love the topic. Yeah, it's my
everyday life, and I think it's reflects on what I
do at worse too. I mean I think they compliment
each other. I'm a better writer and a better journalist
because I have kids, and I think I'm a better
mom because I know all this stuff about the world.
So do it all plays together?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Do you ever want to weigh in? Do you weigh in?
Like I see guys like Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk,
you know, people who we are at the same universe,
and they're even the vice president. They're talking about you know,
the death of the family and divorces on the on
the rise. Uh. And but they it's like they don't
(11:09):
know why. And it's like it's I see, I see
why that's happening. But these guys are so how do
I put it, there's such traditionalists. They just think, you know,
man pound chest woman, cook on stove all well, and
it's like, now you're missing what's really going on. And
(11:29):
it is the It is these memes and it is
these influencers who are have a power they shouldn't have.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
And it's working because there are there are I just
see them talking about the death of the traditional family
a lot, but they don't know the reasons why. It
seems to me, yeah, and I mean I don't think that.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
The traditional family is dying. I mean I'm part of
a home school coop where I know people with five
six seven kis that exists in the in the States,
and they're they're super traditional and that works for some people.
It doesn't work for me. I have you know, I
worked too hard to be the journalist that I am
where I feel like if I took that out of
my life, it's exactly what you said about your kids
(12:14):
want to meet you. I want my kids to know
me the journalist. That's a piece of me that's important
to be parenting. But I know people who are stay
at home moms with a son of kids, and that's
you know, that fulfills them. So I'm not going to
knock that decision at all. It's just not for me.
But that's very much alive. The issue is again, it's
a combination of this, like I said, this online propaganda
(12:36):
that is constantly telling childless people that your life is
over if you have a kid. And also, you know,
when we were young, young millennials in school, every day
we were told if you get pregnant, your life is over.
And you know, the point was to prevent in pregnancy.
But somehow they're women who are like thirty five and
they're like, I can't get pregnant because I'll be a
teen mom. Like the mentality is still there. Yeah, And
(12:58):
so that's part of it. Part of it is the
support system too. You know, a lot more I think
is expectant of millennial parents than the generation before. Like
from what I've heard, people used to just kick their
kids out in the streets all day to play, and
that can't that doesn't happen anymore. There's like child's care expectations.
I think millennial fathers are the most involved fathers in
(13:19):
American history. They are there, they are changing diapers, they
are you know, babysitting for their moms, and it's a
big burden. And so maybe that looks like the traditional
family is dying because you know, dad's changing diapers. But
that's not bad. You know, that's actually pretty good. Yeah,
but the problem is it strains the parents and it
scares off the childless people who might want to have kids,
(13:41):
but they think, you know, maybe I'm not built for that,
maybe I can't hack it, and everybody can hack it.
You're never going to be ready to have a kid,
you know, there's no preparation that will make you ready.
You just have to do it. But a lot for
a lot of people, it's understandably scary because all you
hear is the bad stuff.
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