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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcoming back to the show the good Pastor Dell. I
don't know if I should do a refresher as far
as this is Pastor Dell from church in Woodbury who
called on the Attorney General with the Connecticut constitution. You
know in your hand Connecticut clergy misconduct. But your letters
(00:20):
to the Attorney General are in vain. It seems like
he's just because of Project Veritas. I don't like them,
so I'm not going to respond.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
That's his excuse, and it's not just to me. Responded
first to Senators Martin and Berthel, who took up the
cause to him. He never bothered to respond to respond
to me. He responded to them saying he just dismissed
the allegations out of hand because Project Veritas hadn't responded
to a subpoena or something that he had issued a
while ago. So it seemed like a bit of a
grudge match. So they know. The senators wrote back, and
(00:53):
I followed up yesterday as well, saying the mother in
question here al virus aid, who's daughter committed suicide supposedly,
you know, allegedly because of the actions of this minister,
or you know, at least he had a hand in that.
She she gave her same testimony and testimony in Washington,
DC at the Federal Trade Commission. So it's not just
(01:14):
Veritas reporting this. And when you know, even if it
were a broken clock right twice a day, and the
allegations are so serious and such a harmed of public safety,
and that's the constitutional issue that the general simply can't
turn a blind eye. This is his job. If you
won't uphold the constitution, then he can't be attorney general.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It is as simple as that. You know. I tried
to watch the clip of the testimony. I was not
able to open it for some reason. I don't know why.
I did not realize that this culminated in suicide. This
is a grieving mother. If that doesn't get someone's attention,
you know, I don't know what will do you mind
(01:53):
my putting you on the spot, just in the sense,
and this is the person who their own life. This
was someone who had sought help from from the the
pastor in heart, from from the church in Hartford who
I believe I read somewhere Pastor Dell is kind of
(02:15):
m I A right now, there's nowhere to be found?
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
To you know, I don't know his whereabouts. I don't
keep tabbing him. I think I've heard that as well, though.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, that's that's that's I mean, that speaks volumes as well.
How old was the girl and what was the mother's testimony?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
From what I heard when I listened to the decimony,
I believe she was in college freshman or sophomore. And
there was difficulties, you know, with adjustment and all sorts
of issues that are normal, but it was exacerbated by
Jenner Sphoria and this pastor and the other person mentioned
in the video who's sort of a life coach, only
(02:55):
exacerbated the situation. And that's what missus said alleges.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Huh and that testimony? No response you sent that. I
read your letter where it said, okay, so Project Veritas notwithstanding,
how about this? Then? This is this does how about.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
The testimony of a mother before a federal.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Body going to traveling to Washington, d C. To talk
about this and that? No response to that one?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Well that was just yesterday. But okay, so look a
look at what happened. What happened yesterday and Yale's walking
unwanding its transition program for for those under nineteen, we
then walking away from this because it's become so toxic.
But you can't. That's no excuse. The people who perpetrated
this for the last decade needs to be held accountable.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah. Absolutely, And again we have Pastor Dell on right
now and I covered that on my show yesterday too.
The I thought nineteen was a strange number and it
seemed very arbitrary to me.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
But well, I guess it takes three or four years
to have to become an adult in this country. Eighteen
you can do some things. It's not until you're twenty
one or twenty five you can even run a car.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I just found the number to be curious.
So this all began and the first time you run,
we were talking about a twelve well, at the very least,
someone posing as a twelve year old to this, to this,
I hesitate to say. It's a pastor, right, he's not
a priest. Can you help me with the distinction between
(04:28):
a pastor and a priest.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Well, a priest is usually usually refers to a Roman
Catholic and a minister or pastor to everyone else. But
we could go that's the rabbit hole.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I'd like to go down that someday with you, perhaps
just to draw the distinction, especially with the fire that
the Catholic Church has been under for so long now.
So this is and I want to get it right.
I mean, this is a pastor. It's not diminishing after
the job description.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Priest is the office. If that makes any sense, it
certainly does. You'll have, yeah, you'll have Roman Catholic priests
who are pastors of congregations. But but Protestants don't generally
use the word priest to describe their minister, so that
we use pastor as shorthand.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Well, and I hope this doesn't feel like I'm going
down that rabbit hole that you just sort of like,
we'll go down to rabbit hole. But I feel as
if it were a priest having a conversation with a
twelve year old, like we could do and your parents
don't need to know, Oh, it would be it would
get national attention.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Sure, And I think there's a you know, there's a
sordid history there. The Catholic Church was its own worst enemy,
but it was also one of the few and loudest
voices against abortion and in favor of traditional marriage and
opposing the sexual agenda of the of the progressives, and
so I think the Catholic Church had to be discredited
and they frankly gave the other side exactly the material
(05:54):
they needed to do that with.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
And again we'rerong with Pastor del right now, that's well said,
and I know you for you, this is about and
rightly so it's about Connecticut clergy. It's about licentious negative slurgy,
you know, it's about the Connecticut Constitution. It's about an
article first, you know, section three and article first.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Second three. Yeah, and that's another thing to stress here.
This isn't about hate speech or protected class of people
like sexual orientation, gender identity. This isn't That's not what
this is about. This is about a constitutional article that's
been in there since eighteen eighteen which says that our
churches cannot we have freedom of religion in this state.
(06:36):
They can you cannot abuse that freedom to to harm
the public. To you know that that's basically you know,
you have to have some resprictions otherwise you'd have cults
running wild, or you'd have examples like this where in
the past priests got away with abuse because of the
separation of church and state, or in this case, you
(06:56):
have ministers advancing an ideology geez I think is satanic
and are hiding it from parents that that is clearly
an abuse of the freedom that is granted to religion
under the Constitution.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
As well said, and you've been very clear about here's
what you know. I'm talking about churches here, and I'm
talking about responsibility here and clergy et cetera, et cetera.
For me, it's it's of course that, but in addition
to that, the secrecy, the parents being kept out of
loops of things, and beyond that. And I don't know
(07:32):
if you want to comment on this, pastor doll and
it certainly it's fine, h if you don't. What's frustrating
to me is the Attorney General seems to be following
a well cleared path by Chris Murphy of National Matters
get my attention more than Connecticut. They're they're too focused
(07:54):
on Trump and illegal immigration, and the Attorney General in
particular here Tong I find very frustrating on this because
he's out doing these really energetic you know, these rallies
were screaming and shouting. This is an issue he needs
to speak to, he needs It's just it's part of
(08:16):
his job, right, Well.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I think I'm playing to his base. But what he
doesn't understand is the face is shifting underneath his feet,
the ground is shifting. And with the fall of the
Johnson Amendment, ministers can are free to speak politically from
the pulpit and to endorse candidates. And I think that
politicians are going to have to start to earn the
Christian vote again in a state, and not just the
Christian vote, but but the vote people of good faith,
(08:41):
like like Missus Sciety who's Muslim. Right, that base that
he's playing to is on its way out. It's losing.
The base that is that is rising, is it wants
investigations like this to go forward.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, I'm sorry about this. I'm sorry about you know.
I already was like, draw the distinction between priest and
uh and what was that that you just said that
the Johnson would now you can to an amendment you
please that?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well, that was the I R s basically saying that
if clergy utter political speech, you know, make political speeches
or or draw the implications of the Gospel and apply
that to how one votes, which is what a pastor
or a preacher, priest should do when he's preaching. You know,
you you you want to, you want to how would
(09:33):
Jesus vote? Right? Well, according to the i r S,
you weren't allowed to make that clear to your congregation
until last week when the I r S changed its rules.
So the muzzle is off now.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I didn't know that. I don't think the separation of
church and state. Yeah, certainly. You know, I grew up
a Catholic UH priest. Father George was a big part
of my life, sitting around u table at a friend's house.
He would come for dinner and if he said who
his choice was for mayor or even president, that's one
(10:06):
thing delivering it as part of your sermon in a
church that that should not be allowed.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, that's it's allowed now because I didn't know them
for a long time.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
How do you feel about that, Pastor, Well.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I think it's a great opportunity for the ministers of
this state to restore something that's been lost, and that
is the voice of the pulpit. Remember this, this colony,
the state of Connecticut founded over nearly for over three
hundred and fifty years ago, going on four hundred years
was the church always had a voice there were election
(10:43):
day sermons. Preachers would preach before the Assembly when it
gathered in Hartford, and they would outline a plan that said, look,
you are God's servants, so you are governed in his name.
There's no legitimacy to the laws you passed if they
are contrary to nature and Nature's God. And the Church
has gone silent for the last one hundred and fifty
(11:04):
years and it's forgotten to call the state and are
elected to account. Now, I'm not necessarily going to get
up in the pulpit and endorse, you know, a person
for president, but I'm certainly going to apply the Gospel
to issues like abortion, marriage, gender identity, vaccine mandids, parental choice,
(11:25):
parental inform informing parents, school choice, education. These are all
gospel issues. The Gospel has something to say about every
one of these. The Bible has something to say about
how children are educated and gives parents the primary responsibility
for that. If these are all just going to be
called political issues and the church threatened with the loss
(11:47):
of its tax exempt status if it speaks about them,
then free speech and freedom of religion has been muzzled.
So I'm not making a beeline here and saying that
need to endorse candidates from the pulpit, but ministers can
certainly go on record with which candidates are aligned with
the Gospel and which ones are not sure.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
And perhaps it's the former altar boy in me, but
it's the you know, it's the from the pulpit and
the equation. That's a who am I to say to you?
But again, I will you know I was an altar boy.
I just find that that would have been so curious.
I think of the powerful sermons well that I stood alone.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I grew up under you grew up under the era
of the Johnson Amendment. We all did. But there was
a time when every you know, Catholic knew who to
vote for based on the machines that ran the cities,
and the cardinal and the bishop had coordinated. So I mean,
there was such a thing in this country as the
Catholic vote. And and you know, we need to recover
(12:45):
that kind of political muscle.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Well said, all right, Well said, before I let you go,
Pastor Doll, I just want to know if there's a
if there even is a call to action we can
do here, if there's something we can get those listening
to this. And I'm to post it. Of course later
I see, Uh, it's getting a lot of traction for
lack of a better word, on X right now, how
(13:08):
should people be writing letters, writing letters to Tom flooding
his office, going to his office.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, I would do that. I would. I would email
the Attorney General's office and say, enforced the constitution, uphold
the constitution. This is not is not a question of
civil rights. And that's how they'll put it. They'll tell
them push it back, And it's not a question of
the of the of the legitimacy of the source, Project Veritas,
it's the other side will always accuse you of what
(13:34):
they're doing. Right, So you know, all of a sudden,
the whistleblower here Project Veritas is the culprit, the bad guy,
not the person who's allegedly committed the crime. So don't
don't fall for that. Go flood the Attorney General's office
with the emails, call him up, say you've got a
constitutional duty to investigate this. You simply cannot ignore the
(13:56):
highest law of the state. And if you just to
do that, then expect your resignation.
Welcoming back to the show the good Pastor Dell. I
don't know if I should do a refresher as far
as this is Pastor Dell from church in Woodbury who
called on the Attorney General with the Connecticut constitution. You
know in your hand Connecticut clergy misconduct. But your letters
(00:20):
to the Attorney General are in vain. It seems like
he's just because of Project Veritas. I don't like them,
so I'm not going to respond.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
That's his excuse, and it's not just to me. Responded
first to Senators Martin and Berthel, who took up the
cause to him. He never bothered to respond to respond
to me. He responded to them saying he just dismissed
the allegations out of hand because Project Veritas hadn't responded
to a subpoena or something that he had issued a
while ago. So it seemed like a bit of a
grudge match. So they know. The senators wrote back, and
(00:53):
I followed up yesterday as well, saying the mother in
question here al virus aid, who's daughter committed suicide supposedly,
you know, allegedly because of the actions of this minister,
or you know, at least he had a hand in that.
She she gave her same testimony and testimony in Washington,
DC at the Federal Trade Commission. So it's not just
(01:14):
Veritas reporting this. And when you know, even if it
were a broken clock right twice a day, and the
allegations are so serious and such a harmed of public safety,
and that's the constitutional issue that the general simply can't
turn a blind eye. This is his job. If you
won't uphold the constitution, then he can't be attorney general.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It is as simple as that. You know. I tried
to watch the clip of the testimony. I was not
able to open it for some reason. I don't know why.
I did not realize that this culminated in suicide. This
is a grieving mother. If that doesn't get someone's attention,
you know, I don't know what will do you mind
(01:53):
my putting you on the spot, just in the sense,
and this is the person who their own life. This
was someone who had sought help from from the the
pastor in heart, from from the church in Hartford who
I believe I read somewhere Pastor Dell is kind of
(02:15):
m I A right now, there's nowhere to be found?
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
To you know, I don't know his whereabouts. I don't
keep tabbing him. I think I've heard that as well, though.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, that's that's that's I mean, that speaks volumes as well.
How old was the girl and what was the mother's testimony?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
From what I heard when I listened to the decimony,
I believe she was in college freshman or sophomore. And
there was difficulties, you know, with adjustment and all sorts
of issues that are normal, but it was exacerbated by
Jenner Sphoria and this pastor and the other person mentioned
in the video who's sort of a life coach, only
(02:55):
exacerbated the situation. And that's what missus said alleges.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Huh and that testimony? No response you sent that. I
read your letter where it said, okay, so Project Veritas notwithstanding,
how about this? Then? This is this does how about.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
The testimony of a mother before a federal.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Body going to traveling to Washington, d C. To talk
about this and that? No response to that one?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Well that was just yesterday. But okay, so look a
look at what happened. What happened yesterday and Yale's walking
unwanding its transition program for for those under nineteen, we
then walking away from this because it's become so toxic.
But you can't. That's no excuse. The people who perpetrated
this for the last decade needs to be held accountable.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah. Absolutely, And again we have Pastor Dell on right
now and I covered that on my show yesterday too.
The I thought nineteen was a strange number and it
seemed very arbitrary to me.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
But well, I guess it takes three or four years
to have to become an adult in this country. Eighteen
you can do some things. It's not until you're twenty
one or twenty five you can even run a car.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I just found the number to be curious.
So this all began and the first time you run,
we were talking about a twelve well, at the very least,
someone posing as a twelve year old to this, to this,
I hesitate to say. It's a pastor, right, he's not
a priest. Can you help me with the distinction between
(04:28):
a pastor and a priest.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Well, a priest is usually usually refers to a Roman
Catholic and a minister or pastor to everyone else. But
we could go that's the rabbit hole.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I'd like to go down that someday with you, perhaps
just to draw the distinction, especially with the fire that
the Catholic Church has been under for so long now.
So this is and I want to get it right.
I mean, this is a pastor. It's not diminishing after
the job description.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Priest is the office. If that makes any sense, it
certainly does. You'll have, yeah, you'll have Roman Catholic priests
who are pastors of congregations. But but Protestants don't generally
use the word priest to describe their minister, so that
we use pastor as shorthand.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Well, and I hope this doesn't feel like I'm going
down that rabbit hole that you just sort of like,
we'll go down to rabbit hole. But I feel as
if it were a priest having a conversation with a
twelve year old, like we could do and your parents
don't need to know, Oh, it would be it would
get national attention.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Sure, And I think there's a you know, there's a
sordid history there. The Catholic Church was its own worst enemy,
but it was also one of the few and loudest
voices against abortion and in favor of traditional marriage and
opposing the sexual agenda of the of the progressives, and
so I think the Catholic Church had to be discredited
and they frankly gave the other side exactly the material
(05:54):
they needed to do that with.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
And again we'rerong with Pastor del right now, that's well said,
and I know you for you, this is about and
rightly so it's about Connecticut clergy. It's about licentious negative slurgy,
you know, it's about the Connecticut Constitution. It's about an
article first, you know, section three and article first.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Second three. Yeah, and that's another thing to stress here.
This isn't about hate speech or protected class of people
like sexual orientation, gender identity. This isn't That's not what
this is about. This is about a constitutional article that's
been in there since eighteen eighteen which says that our
churches cannot we have freedom of religion in this state.
(06:36):
They can you cannot abuse that freedom to to harm
the public. To you know that that's basically you know,
you have to have some resprictions otherwise you'd have cults
running wild, or you'd have examples like this where in
the past priests got away with abuse because of the
separation of church and state, or in this case, you
(06:56):
have ministers advancing an ideology geez I think is satanic
and are hiding it from parents that that is clearly
an abuse of the freedom that is granted to religion
under the Constitution.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
As well said, and you've been very clear about here's
what you know. I'm talking about churches here, and I'm
talking about responsibility here and clergy et cetera, et cetera.
For me, it's it's of course that, but in addition
to that, the secrecy, the parents being kept out of
loops of things, and beyond that. And I don't know
(07:32):
if you want to comment on this, pastor doll and
it certainly it's fine, h if you don't. What's frustrating
to me is the Attorney General seems to be following
a well cleared path by Chris Murphy of National Matters
get my attention more than Connecticut. They're they're too focused
(07:54):
on Trump and illegal immigration, and the Attorney General in
particular here Tong I find very frustrating on this because
he's out doing these really energetic you know, these rallies
were screaming and shouting. This is an issue he needs
to speak to, he needs It's just it's part of
(08:16):
his job, right, Well.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I think I'm playing to his base. But what he
doesn't understand is the face is shifting underneath his feet,
the ground is shifting. And with the fall of the
Johnson Amendment, ministers can are free to speak politically from
the pulpit and to endorse candidates. And I think that
politicians are going to have to start to earn the
Christian vote again in a state, and not just the
Christian vote, but but the vote people of good faith,
(08:41):
like like Missus Sciety who's Muslim. Right, that base that
he's playing to is on its way out. It's losing.
The base that is that is rising, is it wants
investigations like this to go forward.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, I'm sorry about this. I'm sorry about you know.
I already was like, draw the distinction between priest and
uh and what was that that you just said that
the Johnson would now you can to an amendment you
please that?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well, that was the I R s basically saying that
if clergy utter political speech, you know, make political speeches
or or draw the implications of the Gospel and apply
that to how one votes, which is what a pastor
or a preacher, priest should do when he's preaching. You know,
you you you want to, you want to how would
(09:33):
Jesus vote? Right? Well, according to the i r S,
you weren't allowed to make that clear to your congregation
until last week when the I r S changed its rules.
So the muzzle is off now.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I didn't know that. I don't think the separation of
church and state. Yeah, certainly. You know, I grew up
a Catholic UH priest. Father George was a big part
of my life, sitting around u table at a friend's house.
He would come for dinner and if he said who
his choice was for mayor or even president, that's one
(10:06):
thing delivering it as part of your sermon in a
church that that should not be allowed.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, that's it's allowed now because I didn't know them
for a long time.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
How do you feel about that, Pastor, Well.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I think it's a great opportunity for the ministers of
this state to restore something that's been lost, and that
is the voice of the pulpit. Remember this, this colony,
the state of Connecticut founded over nearly for over three
hundred and fifty years ago, going on four hundred years
was the church always had a voice there were election
(10:43):
day sermons. Preachers would preach before the Assembly when it
gathered in Hartford, and they would outline a plan that said, look,
you are God's servants, so you are governed in his name.
There's no legitimacy to the laws you passed if they
are contrary to nature and Nature's God. And the Church
has gone silent for the last one hundred and fifty
(11:04):
years and it's forgotten to call the state and are
elected to account. Now, I'm not necessarily going to get
up in the pulpit and endorse, you know, a person
for president, but I'm certainly going to apply the Gospel
to issues like abortion, marriage, gender identity, vaccine mandids, parental choice,
(11:25):
parental inform informing parents, school choice, education. These are all
gospel issues. The Gospel has something to say about every
one of these. The Bible has something to say about
how children are educated and gives parents the primary responsibility
for that. If these are all just going to be
called political issues and the church threatened with the loss
(11:47):
of its tax exempt status if it speaks about them,
then free speech and freedom of religion has been muzzled.
So I'm not making a beeline here and saying that
need to endorse candidates from the pulpit, but ministers can
certainly go on record with which candidates are aligned with
the Gospel and which ones are not sure.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
And perhaps it's the former altar boy in me, but
it's the you know, it's the from the pulpit and
the equation. That's a who am I to say to you?
But again, I will you know I was an altar boy.
I just find that that would have been so curious.
I think of the powerful sermons well that I stood alone.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I grew up under you grew up under the era
of the Johnson Amendment. We all did. But there was
a time when every you know, Catholic knew who to
vote for based on the machines that ran the cities,
and the cardinal and the bishop had coordinated. So I mean,
there was such a thing in this country as the
Catholic vote. And and you know, we need to recover
(12:45):
that kind of political muscle.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Well said, all right, Well said, before I let you go,
Pastor Doll, I just want to know if there's a
if there even is a call to action we can
do here, if there's something we can get those listening
to this. And I'm to post it. Of course later
I see, Uh, it's getting a lot of traction for
lack of a better word, on X right now, how
(13:08):
should people be writing letters, writing letters to Tom flooding
his office, going to his office.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, I would do that. I would. I would email
the Attorney General's office and say, enforced the constitution, uphold
the constitution. This is not is not a question of
civil rights. And that's how they'll put it. They'll tell
them push it back, And it's not a question of
the of the of the legitimacy of the source, Project Veritas,
it's the other side will always accuse you of what
(13:34):
they're doing. Right, So you know, all of a sudden,
the whistleblower here Project Veritas is the culprit, the bad guy,
not the person who's allegedly committed the crime. So don't
don't fall for that. Go flood the Attorney General's office
with the emails, call him up, say you've got a
constitutional duty to investigate this. You simply cannot ignore the
(13:56):
highest law of the state. And if you just to
do that, then expect your resignation.
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