Kerre Woodham: Can pine forestry and livestock farming really coexist in this country?

This is one that has been discussed before and will no doubt be discussed again. Can pine forestry and livestock farming coexist in this country, or does one have to make way for the other?  

For the last decade, there have been major concerns about productive farmland, not only being converted into subdivisions, but being converted into forests. These concerns were ramped up in recent times with the previous administration’s One Billion Trees project.  

The area of land planted in trees is actually down from where it was two decades ago. New Zealand has about 12.1 million hectares in farmland. Another 1.7 million is in forestry, down from 2 million hectares in 2002, but reaching the 1 billion trees target by 2028 will require the planting of an estimated 43,000 hectares per year.  

Of course there's a distinction to make between the different sorts of forestry – plantation forestry is different from carbon forestry.   

Plantation trees will eventually be harvested. Carbon trees will never be harvested because the owners make enough through carbon credits alone. So what happens when a farmer sells their land for carbon farming or turns it over to plantation farming?   

It really does take a village to maintain a farm, to keep a farm alive. Dairy farms, beef farms, sheep farms require people and those living in rural communities are worried that as the trees advance the sharemilkers jobs will go, shearing jobs will go, along with the shepherds and the truck drivers and the families. The vets will go, the mechanics, the retailers, the schools. They'll become ghost towns filled with trees.  

Beef and Lamb NZ's sheep numbers fell 4.3% in the year to June. There was a 2.8 percent decrease in beef cattle numbers. And the lamb crop for spring 2025 is expected to fall nearly 5 percent.  

Now part of that is farmers reacting to the low prices they get for their stock. Some parts of the country it's drought, but the primary driver, according to Beef and Lamb, is land use change, as a result of the conversion of livestock farms to forestry.  

The Ministry for Primary Industries Todd McClay says the government is concerned in regards to excessive conversion of food-producing land to forest, however, he says it's also important that farmers retain choice over what they do with their land.  

Imagine you've slogged your guts out all your life, you and your husband, you and your wife. You have worked every hour God sent from sunup to sundown. Finally, after 40 years, the kids don't want the farm. They have gone off to university or they've gone overseas and they're living their best lives. The kids don't want to get into the farm. What do you?  

Imagine if the government said no, you cannot sell it to a nice fat cat overseas buyer who's going to put it all in trees because we need that land for you to produce food. No, you keep producing food until you collapse in the field. I mean, no government's going to do that. 

Farmers have every right to do what they wish with their land. I mean it really is under threat, that kind of productive land is under threat as we heard the other day from alternative energy sources, from subdivisions, from plantation forestry, from carbon forestry.  

It's like watching different armies advancing towards these poor farmers standing there going, bloody hell, what am I going to do? I'm not getting enough on the international market for my product. I love farming. I don't want to sit there and watch pine trees growing, that's not my life’s dream but what am I to do? What can we do? What makes it worth a farmer's while to keep their land in livestock?  

For those of you who have stock, who have beef, who have lamb, who have dairy, do you sometimes look

Episode Transcript

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This is one that has been discussed before and will
no doubt be discussed again. Can pine forestry and livestock
farming coexist in this country or does one have to
make way for the other. For the bast decade, there
have been major concerns about productive farmland not only being

(00:32):
converted into subdivisions, but being converted into forests. These concerns
were ramped up in recent times with the previous administration's
one Billion Trees project. The area of land planted in
trees is actually down from where it was two decades ago.
New Zealand has about twelve point one million hectares in farmland.

(00:54):
Another one point seven million is in forestry, down from
two million hectares in two thousand and two, but reaching
the one billion trees target by twenty twenty eight will
require planting of an estimated forty three thousand hectares per year.
Of course, there's a distinction to make between the different

(01:15):
sorts of forestry plantation forestry is different from carbon forestry.
Plantation trees will eventually be harvested. Carbon trees will never
be harvested because their owners make enough through carbon credits alone.
So what happens when a farmer sells their land for

(01:38):
carbon farming, carbon forestry farming, or turns it over to
plantation farming. It really does take a village to maintain
a farm. To keep a farm alive, Dairy farms, beef farms,
sheep farms require people, and those living in rural communities

(02:03):
are worried. That is, the trees advance, the sheer milker's
jobs will go. Sharing jobs will go along with the shepherds,
and the truck drivers and the families. The vets will go,
the mechanics, the retailers, the schools will become ghost towns
filled with trees. Beef and Lamb and Z says sheep
numbers fell four point three percent in the yet June.

(02:25):
There was a two point eight percent decrease in beef
cattle numbers, and the lamb crop for spring twenty twenty
five is expected to fall nearly five percent. Now, part
of that is farmers reacting to the low prices they
get for their stock. Some parts of the country it's drought,
but the primary driver, according to Beef and Lamb is

(02:46):
land use change as a result of the conversion of
livestock farms to forestry. The Ministry for Primary Industries, Todd maclay,
says the government is concerned in regards to excessive conversion
of food producing land to forest However, he says it's
also important that farmers return paying choice over what they

(03:07):
do with their land. Imagine you've slogged your guts out
all your life, you and your husband, you and your wife.
You have worked every hour God sent from the sun
up to sundown. Finally, after forty years, the kids don't
want the farm. They've gone off to university, or they've
gone overseas and they're living their best lives. The kids

(03:28):
don't want to get into the farm. What do you do.
Imagine if the government said, no, you cannot sell it
to a nice fat cat overseas. By who's going to
put it all in trees? Because we need that land
for you to produce food. No, you keep producing food
until you collapse in the field. I mean, no government's

(03:48):
going to do that. Farmers have every right to do
what they wish with their land. But how do we
I mean, it really is under threat. That kind of
productive land is under threat from it as we heard
the other day from alternative energy sources, from subdivisions, from

(04:11):
plantation forestry, from carbon forestry. All of it's like watching
different armies advancing towards these poor farmers who standing there
going bloody hell? What am I gonna do? I'm not
getting enough on the international market for my product. I
love farming. I don't want to sit there and watch
pine trees growing. That's not my life's dream. But what

(04:35):
am I to do? What can we do? What makes
it worth a farm as well to keep their land
in livestock. For those of you who have stock, who
have beef, who have lamb, who have dairy, do you
sometimes look at the trees and think, oh, imagine, wouldn't

(04:59):
have to do a bloody thing? I could sit on
the porch my thoughts. Never have to go out because
a lambs are using trouble birthing a lamb, or never
have to go up because it's raining and wet and
cold and the baby lambs are going to die unless
they get some shelter. Never have to get up early again,

(05:22):
Just acres and acres of pine trees. Does anyone do
any farmers think bliss? And when it comes to the
rural communities, How are you going, How are you surviving?
Do you see yourself as under threat or are you
regaining lost ground.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
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