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November 25, 2024 4 mins

One of the questions we’ll be putting to Chris Hipkins, of course, is a question around the capital gains tax, because this is an issue that simply will not die. Labour Party members will vote on whether to formally endorse continuing work on a capital gains or wealth tax at their party conference in Christchurch this weekend. The party's been debating tax policy since losing the election last year, part of a broader truth and reconciliation soul searching. The people loved us so much and then they didn't. How did it all go so wrong? So that's there's been a lot of that.  

Former Labour Party leader, David Cunliffe was on with Mike Hosking this morning and he says he has no insider knowledge, but thinks the conference members will be pushing hard for some sort of wealth tax.  

“CGTs have actually polled really well, and one might, with a wry smile on your case, say that the CGT poll better than the Labour Party, so it's unlikely to be a net vote loser. Most middle ground National voters I know would also support CGT, no so a wealth tax. I mean a wealth tax has got a retrospective element sometimes, because it goes to accumulated wealth and high wealth individuals might vote with their feet, so I think that's a much riskier proposition. I think Labour should be moderate here and just do a sensible, relatively low-rate broad based CGT.” 

Which is what David Parker and Grant Robertson last time wanted when they had a mandate. They had a mandate, they had the popular vote, they were governing alone – they could do pretty much what they wanted and what senior members of the party wanted, senior members of the government wanted was a capital gains tax. So I would argue with David Cunliffe that if there were votes in it, you can bet your bippy that Chris Hipkins would have been chucking it out there. He was desperate to stay in power. He was putting things on the bonfire and offering trinkets and displaying baubles, and you know if capital gains tax had had any votes in it, you can bet he would have put it out there.  

Instead, he brassed off some really senior members of his government by saying it wouldn't happen. It'll be interesting to see where this goes. The text machine went wild after David Cunliffe's interview with Mike. And in news that will surprise no one, the Newstalk ZB audience appears to be overwhelmingly against the idea of a capital gains tax. I don't buy all the criticisms of a capital gains tax, but one of them rings true: I simply do not trust that the Labour government will spend my money wisely when they take it off me, if the last administration is anything to go by. There has to be some sort of understanding, some sort of relationship between the government and taxpayers, some level of trust.  

If the government is coming to us to tax us, they have to say we're going to take money off you, and you might not like it but look at what we can deliver for the whole country for future generations with your contribution. Look at what you can do when we all contribute towards the country, this is what we can deliver. And you accept that. You say okay, I don't particularly like it, but I don't agree with everything you're doing but I can see results. I can see the country is improving, I can see that services are being delivered, that people who are working hard can get ahead, that kids can get an education, that my grandmother can get a hip replacement, I can see that it's moving in the right direction. But to take money off us and be left worse off as a country and as a people than when we started, yeah nah. She's a harder sell there. 

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Kerrywood of Mornings podcast from News
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
We have the leader of the Labor Party, Chris Hipkins,
coming in after ten o'clock, taking your questions. One of
the questions would be putting them to him, of course,
questions around the capital gains tax, because this is an
issue that simply will not die. Labor Party members will
vote on whether to formerly endorse continuing work on a
capital gains or wealth tax at their party conference in

(00:34):
christ Church this weekend. The party's been debating tax policy
since a losing the election last year, part of a
broader truth and reconciliation soul searching. The people loved us
so much and then they didn't. How did it all
go so wrong? So there's been a lot of that
we seemn will ask Chris Hopkins about it. Our former

(00:56):
Labor Party leader David Cunliff with This was on with
Mike Costking this morning and he says he has no
insider knowledge but thinks the conference members will be pushing
hard for some sort of wealth tax.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
CGT's actually hold really well, and one might, with a
wry smile in your case, say CGT poll bit in
the Labor Party, so it's unlikely there'd be a net vote.
Most middle grand national voters I know would also support
a CGT, not so a wealth tax. I mean a

(01:28):
wealth tax has got a retrospective elopment sometimes because it
goes to accumulated wealth and high wealth individuals might vote
with their feet. So I think that's a much risky
of proposition. I think Labor should be moderate here and
just do a sensible, relatively low rate, broad based CGT.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Which is what David Parker and Grant Robertson last time
wanted when they had a mandate to do well well
they did. They had a mandate, they had, you know,
the popular vote. They were governing alone, they could do
pretty much what they wanted, and what senior members of
the party wanted, senior members of the government wanted, was
capital gains tax. So I would argue it's David Cunliff

(02:10):
that if there were votes in it, you can bet
your bippy that Chris Sipkins would have been checking it
out there. He was desperate to stay in power. He
was putting things on the bonfire and offering trinkets and
displaying ball bulls, and you know, if capital gains tax.
Had had any votes in it, you can bet he

(02:30):
would have put it out there. Instead, he brassed off
some really senior members of his government by saying it
wouldn't happen. So it'll be interesting to see where this goes.
The text machine went wild after David Cunliff's interview with
Mike and a news that will surprise no one. The

(02:51):
news talk z'd be audience appears to be overwhelmingly against
the idea of a capital gains tax. I don't buy
all the criticisms of a capital gains tax, but one
of them rings true. I simply do not trust that
the labor government will spend my money wisely when they
take it off me. If the last administration is anything

(03:13):
to go by, there has to be some sort of understanding,
some sort of relationship between the government and taxpayers, some
level of trust. If the government is coming to us,
to tax us, they have to say we're going to
take money off you, and you might not like it,

(03:33):
but look at what we can deliver for the whole country,
for future generations with your contribution. Look at what you
can do when we all contribute towards the country. This
is what we can deliver and you accept that. You say, Okay,
I don't particularly like it, but I don't agree with

(03:56):
everything you're doing. But I can see results. I can
see the country is improving. I can see that services
are being done. Livid that people who are working hard
can get ahead, that kids can get an education, that
my grandmother can get a hip replacement. I can see
that it's moving in the right direction. But to take

(04:19):
money off us and be left worse off as a
country and as a people than when we started, Yeah,
she's a hard to sell.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
There.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
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