June 13, 2024 • 14 mins
Judith Collins is one of the busiest Ministers in Government.
She is Attorney General, Minister of Defence, Minister for Digitising Government, Minister Responsible for the GCSB and the NZSIS, Minister of Science, Innovation and Technology, and Minister for Space.
During her 22 years in Parliament she’s championed reform of New Zealand’s justice system, she’s been the National Party leader, and last year was made King’s Counsel.
Judith Collins joined Simon Barnett & James Daniels for Six and a Song.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Simon Barnett and James Daniels Afternoons
podcast from Newstalks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
News Talks EDB Well. Judith Collins is one of the
busiest ministers in government. She is Attorney General, Minister of Defense,
Minister for Digitizing, Government, Minister responsible for the GCSB and
the n said SIS, Minister for Science, Innovation and Technology,
and Minister for Space. During her twenty two years in parliament,
she's championed reform of New Zealand's justice system. She's been
(00:35):
National Party Leader and last year was made k C
King's Council. It is a pleasure to welcome Minister Judith
Collins on for six and a song. Hello Minister.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Oh hi, Sharon, my hat.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What a resume. That's like? When do you actually.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Sleep really well when I get to bed?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, that's an exhaustive list I have to say. By
the way, can we call you Judith or do you
prefer minister.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Or do you actually I pres Judith?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Right, Well, thank you for that. We'll carry on on.
That makes you very young. Great, we all need a
bit of that.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Good Judith. This is James. You can call me James.
Thank you. Hey, Look, you started off as a lawyer,
you qualified as a lawyer, and then you had many,
many years as a lawyer. But what made you go
into politics?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Well, primarily because I've been involved in the politics legal
profession with the Law Society for years, over a decade,
and I guess also an opportunity came up and somebody
who was an MP told me I should not do
it and then I should wait my turn. So that
was just like guaranteed red rag to a ball. Just
(01:45):
now I have a go, I'll have a go anyway,
Still there, still there?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Hey, you used to be a bit of a labor
supporter in some respects, didn't you back in the day.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yes, when I was a child, I like to tell
people and I grew up. But now until I went
to business. So I was about twenty six and got
into my first business and I got to deal with
a very nasty end of unions and I decided to Actually, no,
I didn't support that anymore. So yeah, I was never, thankfull,
never a member of the Labor Party, although they occasionally
(02:17):
claimed I was or I wasn't, but my mother was,
and because as a child I influenced her. It just
goes to show. Don't always listen to your kids.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
That's a lovely, lovely story. Do you find sometimes, like,
you know, going back a bit, you were called Crusher
Collins and you've always been seen as I don't know,
maybe New Zealand's answer to Margaret Thatcher, you know, quite
an iron fist. Is that a fair representation of you?
Or do things get distorted with your game?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I think things do get distorted because it's all about
clickbait and headlines and things, and it's easy to put
labels on people. But you know, the fact is that
I've always been a very busy person and always interested
in things, And yes, I do tend to come to
decisions and I don't tend to dwell on things. So
(03:06):
that's sometimes can be a bit frightening for some people
who are making decisions really hard. Sometimes, you know, the
worst thing you can do is to not make a decision.
Procrastination is not for the system that it believes to
good outcomes. So at least if you make a decision,
then you can live with it and get on with it.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Hey, Judith, We do get into the personal side of
things on six and a Song, as well as the
business and politics, but so your husband is more and
how did you two meet?
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I at a party in the time on the tway
and so he was a police officer and started part
time at university and I was a university student. So
he was just a very attractive young man and still
is a very attractive Youngish man.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Ah, that is a lovely story too. I mean, how
does he cope with your life? When we read out
in that introduction your portfolios, that is even for a
twenty year old, that's a hell of a lot of work.
I mean, do you have time for romance.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Or our getting personal now? I think I think the
point is that we've value our time together. And I
think too is you know, we don't have a Sun
is now thirty one, so he's not a baby open
to run around after him. And in fact, you know,
(04:28):
my husband's very aware that what I do is not
is not my entire life. I have to have some downtime,
although I don't get much of it. But look, we
have a great time together and I think you know,
we've been together now for over forty years, so it
seems to work.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Privilege on.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Do you do your own grocery shopping.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Mostly, although he also does some so we've worked out.
I see it as got opportunities to get out and
do stuff myself. But also I like to see the
prices and I like to do normal stuff. I think,
you know, being quite high profile and people knowing you
can you can tents think oh get it brought into
me everyone's talk. I just think it's really important for
(05:11):
us to as MP's to be out doing normal stuff
because actually otherwise we start to think that we walk
on water and we really don't, and we really do
need to be very connected to people. Were script sent.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So as an MP, who do you get on best
within Parliament?
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Well, I just completely love the Prime Minister. Obviously, I
guess you get on with lots of people. I find
it's but that.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Sounds genuine to me. You genuinely obviously really get on
well with Crystoma lex And as a person.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, and I find a very decent person to deal
with is my experience of him. And you know, I
like dealing with people who have high standards and who
set goals and then get on do them and work hard.
It's one thing I cannot abide of people who are
lazy and expect everyone else to do the work. For them,
(06:05):
and he doesn't is a really hard worker.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Who to get on with. On the other side of
the aisle, I give.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
It really well. People were surprised to get on really
well with lots of pup across the r Like if
I was, I mean Clarry swaw Brick, would would I
think she would speak well of me person I think it.
Polertics are terrible, but you know, as a human being,
I like as a human being, there are people in
the labor place who I get on well with. Helen
(06:32):
White's nice, very nice. There's lots of people that did
a RUSS. I get them really well with what way
if I've been on slip in with these with people,
I tend to get on well with them because we
know each other in a slightly less ed the serial way.
It's true, I mean lots of them. Actually, I just
think Parliament's tough environment. There's no need, no need though
(06:55):
to be mean.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, good on you. Hey, Look, Judith, A lot has
been made, of course of the rise of AI artificial intelligence.
You're at the forefront of that with your technology and spaceport.
For those I suppose do you stay on a per level.
I feel a wee bit twitchy about some of the
innovations with AI. Do you think that we have a
reason to be fearful of it?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Figure something we should fare with AI is not understanding
We're already using it. So I don't know if you
say Google nets or some other variation of that, that's
a AI. If you use banking apps is quite a
bit at AI, and that if you almost all sorts
of things that we find handing Uber, all those sorts
(07:37):
of things very much dependent on AI, because all AI
really is is data plus software. And so I think
the point is that we need to understand is that
the bad actors in the world are using AI. It's
really important for us to look at how we can
produce better services for people so that they can actually
(07:59):
enjoy their lives of it more. And so things like
where was the last time you bought a physical net
or even try to unfold one that's right and find
your way somewhere, you know, just don't have that now,
do we. And it's because actually we've got AI in
that form.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Hey, Judith, you've been in politics for over twenty years. Now,
what do you consider your biggest win in politics?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Well, the Bible was pretty good, Yeah, someone said to
the other day as your huge compliment. They said something
learn something like a phoenix rising out of the ashes,
and I think I said, yeah, I think I should
renamed myself Poenicia. But yeah, the Bible was good. But
you know it's those thought every day little things that
(08:42):
you do that actually make a difference. So someone was
saying to me this morning that a few years back
I brought a son into Parliament and I had a
word to the son and said talked about what the
nursery and boy wants to do, and I said, you
can get on to do anything you like, and talked
from about some things and and opportunities in life and
where I came from, where I was then, And he
(09:05):
told me this morning of Sunsday really really well in
myf and he saw talks about that I was able
to inspire him. But like that, actually, I have to say,
that really rocks my boat. It was fantastic. You're excited
by it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, that's very rewarding News Talks. He'd be our guest
on six and the song is Minister Judith Collins. Judith,
thanks again so much for being generous with your time.
So these are rapid fire kind of questions, we'll just
fire met you. First thing that comes to mind is.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
You've got a special place, no doubt. So what is
that one place you never get tired of going home?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
And I poffer around and I do things like bake.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Oh what's you go to baking?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Well you can do with bananas, because running at home
is normally some bananas are but past used by Dack,
so they go into it. But I love doing things
like that, and it's just like the calm stuff I
like doing.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Are you a gardener?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Not as much as I should have looked out the
Vega garden this morning and thought, oh yeah, I haven't
got time to it today.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I've got a lovely mental image of you and you
catching with other mits. For some reason, What's what's one
of the nicest compliments you've ever received in your life?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I guess just that I've helped somebody. That's really great.
I mean, I always love what people say things like
you're younger than you do on TV, and I take
that as an absolute one. I say thank you so
much when I talk about how TV also added that
you and stuff and I rave on I just lot hate.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I think we all want to yes, absolutely. And you know,
as you mentioned, you've got a very high profile. You're
on the television news all the time and images of
course billboards. Would you ever consider plastic surgery? Not that
you need it? No, no, no, I'm just saying it's
a genuine question.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I reckon, that's a great idea. Do you think I
should get some No?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
No, it wasn't something you need it.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I just say dig that whole simon going, hey, judus,
what's something that you thought was important when you were young?
But it's you got older you realize.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
That it isn't being popular?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Oh true?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Just don't. I mean I've never was popular as a child.
I'm not sure I'm deceentily that popular now. The point
is that just get on with your life and don't
worry about that somebody else might not like you, or
you won't be probably in the crowd. I was never
part of the in the crowd, never have been, never
will be. And that's fine.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I love that that confidence. If you had the power
to change one thing in your world, what.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Would it be?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Well nexturally egotistically child like to be taller, twenty seven
years old, topa your model, but not so I think
one thing I'd changed my world. I let people know
that nobody should ever set feelings for them, that everyone
has the right to aspire to any think they want
to be if they're prepared to work for it, and
(12:00):
they take those opportunities. I just think I get very
grumpy with people who say things like I can't do
such and such, or somebody my child can't do that,
because that's not what we do. You know, just stop
limiting other people. Get on that them have their lives.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I read some years ago now, I mean it would
have to be going back five six, seven years and
the listener, I think it was a story on you,
and I really loved the story. I got a real
insight as to who you were as a person. You
spoke exceptionally fondly of your dad and I think he
may have passed away, and you just said what a
major influence he was in your life. Can you tell
us very.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Quickly about your na my dad used to My dad
was the World War two veteran. Before that, he was
growing up on a farm in the king Country in
the days the Great Depression, and he never had the
chance to education pass Brimar School. But he used to
say to me. Never let anybody tell you you can't
do something, or that they're better than you. You just
(12:54):
get on and do what you want to do. That
was a great inspiration for a kid, and I guess
I always wanted to fulfill that. Just do the best
I can. Those people, don't limit the children, let them
do it.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Wants to lovely nice. Final question, Judith, if you could
invite any one person still alive for dinner, who would
that be?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yeah, I've got to say that the list of those
people are shrinking. I would say possibly Angela Merkle. I've
once in a field and danced and Poland in two
thousand and nine, and I thought, what a nice person
she came across as but also intelligence. I'd quite like
(13:37):
to find out a little bit more about some of
the decisions she'd made through the years, and you know
how she maintained her her sense of self and obviously
her humility, which was obvious to anyone who messages a
really nice person.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
What a thoughtful answer. That's great. And finally, Judith, we
get to ask you which song you would like to
choose and why this one?
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Please well Lovely Day by Bill Withers. I just thought
of loved it. The fact that really really positive. You
can't listen to it without smiling and being really grateful
for life.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
What a great choice, Minister Judith Collins. Thank you again.
We've loved chatting with you all the very best.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Thanks a great day.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Judith Collins. This is her song Lovely Day and News Talks.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
News Talks EDB Well. Judith Collins is one of the
busiest ministers in government. She is Attorney General, Minister of Defense,
Minister for Digitizing, Government, Minister responsible for the GCSB and
the n said SIS, Minister for Science, Innovation and Technology,
and Minister for Space. During her twenty two years in parliament,
she's championed reform of New Zealand's justice system. She's been
(00:35):
National Party Leader and last year was made k C
King's Council. It is a pleasure to welcome Minister Judith
Collins on for six and a song. Hello Minister.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Oh hi, Sharon, my hat.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What a resume. That's like? When do you actually.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Sleep really well when I get to bed?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, that's an exhaustive list I have to say. By
the way, can we call you Judith or do you
prefer minister.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Or do you actually I pres Judith?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Right, Well, thank you for that. We'll carry on on.
That makes you very young. Great, we all need a
bit of that.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Good Judith. This is James. You can call me James.
Thank you. Hey, Look, you started off as a lawyer,
you qualified as a lawyer, and then you had many,
many years as a lawyer. But what made you go
into politics?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Well, primarily because I've been involved in the politics legal
profession with the Law Society for years, over a decade,
and I guess also an opportunity came up and somebody
who was an MP told me I should not do
it and then I should wait my turn. So that
was just like guaranteed red rag to a ball. Just
(01:45):
now I have a go, I'll have a go anyway,
Still there, still there?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Hey, you used to be a bit of a labor
supporter in some respects, didn't you back in the day.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yes, when I was a child, I like to tell
people and I grew up. But now until I went
to business. So I was about twenty six and got
into my first business and I got to deal with
a very nasty end of unions and I decided to Actually, no,
I didn't support that anymore. So yeah, I was never, thankfull,
never a member of the Labor Party, although they occasionally
(02:17):
claimed I was or I wasn't, but my mother was,
and because as a child I influenced her. It just
goes to show. Don't always listen to your kids.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
That's a lovely, lovely story. Do you find sometimes, like,
you know, going back a bit, you were called Crusher
Collins and you've always been seen as I don't know,
maybe New Zealand's answer to Margaret Thatcher, you know, quite
an iron fist. Is that a fair representation of you?
Or do things get distorted with your game?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I think things do get distorted because it's all about
clickbait and headlines and things, and it's easy to put
labels on people. But you know, the fact is that
I've always been a very busy person and always interested
in things, And yes, I do tend to come to
decisions and I don't tend to dwell on things. So
(03:06):
that's sometimes can be a bit frightening for some people
who are making decisions really hard. Sometimes, you know, the
worst thing you can do is to not make a decision.
Procrastination is not for the system that it believes to
good outcomes. So at least if you make a decision,
then you can live with it and get on with it.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Hey, Judith, We do get into the personal side of
things on six and a Song, as well as the
business and politics, but so your husband is more and
how did you two meet?
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I at a party in the time on the tway
and so he was a police officer and started part
time at university and I was a university student. So
he was just a very attractive young man and still
is a very attractive Youngish man.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Ah, that is a lovely story too. I mean, how
does he cope with your life? When we read out
in that introduction your portfolios, that is even for a
twenty year old, that's a hell of a lot of work.
I mean, do you have time for romance.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Or our getting personal now? I think I think the
point is that we've value our time together. And I
think too is you know, we don't have a Sun
is now thirty one, so he's not a baby open
to run around after him. And in fact, you know,
(04:28):
my husband's very aware that what I do is not
is not my entire life. I have to have some downtime,
although I don't get much of it. But look, we
have a great time together and I think you know,
we've been together now for over forty years, so it
seems to work.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Privilege on.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Do you do your own grocery shopping.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Mostly, although he also does some so we've worked out.
I see it as got opportunities to get out and
do stuff myself. But also I like to see the
prices and I like to do normal stuff. I think,
you know, being quite high profile and people knowing you
can you can tents think oh get it brought into
me everyone's talk. I just think it's really important for
(05:11):
us to as MP's to be out doing normal stuff
because actually otherwise we start to think that we walk
on water and we really don't, and we really do
need to be very connected to people. Were script sent.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So as an MP, who do you get on best
within Parliament?
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Well, I just completely love the Prime Minister. Obviously, I
guess you get on with lots of people. I find
it's but that.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Sounds genuine to me. You genuinely obviously really get on
well with Crystoma lex And as a person.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, and I find a very decent person to deal
with is my experience of him. And you know, I
like dealing with people who have high standards and who
set goals and then get on do them and work hard.
It's one thing I cannot abide of people who are
lazy and expect everyone else to do the work. For them,
(06:05):
and he doesn't is a really hard worker.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Who to get on with. On the other side of
the aisle, I give.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
It really well. People were surprised to get on really
well with lots of pup across the r Like if
I was, I mean Clarry swaw Brick, would would I
think she would speak well of me person I think it.
Polertics are terrible, but you know, as a human being,
I like as a human being, there are people in
the labor place who I get on well with. Helen
(06:32):
White's nice, very nice. There's lots of people that did
a RUSS. I get them really well with what way
if I've been on slip in with these with people,
I tend to get on well with them because we
know each other in a slightly less ed the serial way.
It's true, I mean lots of them. Actually, I just
think Parliament's tough environment. There's no need, no need though
(06:55):
to be mean.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, good on you. Hey, Look, Judith, A lot has
been made, of course of the rise of AI artificial intelligence.
You're at the forefront of that with your technology and spaceport.
For those I suppose do you stay on a per level.
I feel a wee bit twitchy about some of the
innovations with AI. Do you think that we have a
reason to be fearful of it?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Figure something we should fare with AI is not understanding
We're already using it. So I don't know if you
say Google nets or some other variation of that, that's
a AI. If you use banking apps is quite a
bit at AI, and that if you almost all sorts
of things that we find handing Uber, all those sorts
(07:37):
of things very much dependent on AI, because all AI
really is is data plus software. And so I think
the point is that we need to understand is that
the bad actors in the world are using AI. It's
really important for us to look at how we can
produce better services for people so that they can actually
(07:59):
enjoy their lives of it more. And so things like
where was the last time you bought a physical net
or even try to unfold one that's right and find
your way somewhere, you know, just don't have that now,
do we. And it's because actually we've got AI in
that form.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Hey, Judith, you've been in politics for over twenty years. Now,
what do you consider your biggest win in politics?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Well, the Bible was pretty good, Yeah, someone said to
the other day as your huge compliment. They said something
learn something like a phoenix rising out of the ashes,
and I think I said, yeah, I think I should
renamed myself Poenicia. But yeah, the Bible was good. But
you know it's those thought every day little things that
(08:42):
you do that actually make a difference. So someone was
saying to me this morning that a few years back
I brought a son into Parliament and I had a
word to the son and said talked about what the
nursery and boy wants to do, and I said, you
can get on to do anything you like, and talked
from about some things and and opportunities in life and
where I came from, where I was then, And he
(09:05):
told me this morning of Sunsday really really well in
myf and he saw talks about that I was able
to inspire him. But like that, actually, I have to say,
that really rocks my boat. It was fantastic. You're excited
by it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, that's very rewarding News Talks. He'd be our guest
on six and the song is Minister Judith Collins. Judith,
thanks again so much for being generous with your time.
So these are rapid fire kind of questions, we'll just
fire met you. First thing that comes to mind is.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
You've got a special place, no doubt. So what is
that one place you never get tired of going home?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
And I poffer around and I do things like bake.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Oh what's you go to baking?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Well you can do with bananas, because running at home
is normally some bananas are but past used by Dack,
so they go into it. But I love doing things
like that, and it's just like the calm stuff I
like doing.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Are you a gardener?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Not as much as I should have looked out the
Vega garden this morning and thought, oh yeah, I haven't
got time to it today.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I've got a lovely mental image of you and you
catching with other mits. For some reason, What's what's one
of the nicest compliments you've ever received in your life?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I guess just that I've helped somebody. That's really great.
I mean, I always love what people say things like
you're younger than you do on TV, and I take
that as an absolute one. I say thank you so
much when I talk about how TV also added that
you and stuff and I rave on I just lot hate.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I think we all want to yes, absolutely. And you know,
as you mentioned, you've got a very high profile. You're
on the television news all the time and images of
course billboards. Would you ever consider plastic surgery? Not that
you need it? No, no, no, I'm just saying it's
a genuine question.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I reckon, that's a great idea. Do you think I
should get some No?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
No, it wasn't something you need it.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I just say dig that whole simon going, hey, judus,
what's something that you thought was important when you were young?
But it's you got older you realize.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
That it isn't being popular?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Oh true?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Just don't. I mean I've never was popular as a child.
I'm not sure I'm deceentily that popular now. The point
is that just get on with your life and don't
worry about that somebody else might not like you, or
you won't be probably in the crowd. I was never
part of the in the crowd, never have been, never
will be. And that's fine.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I love that that confidence. If you had the power
to change one thing in your world, what.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Would it be?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Well nexturally egotistically child like to be taller, twenty seven
years old, topa your model, but not so I think
one thing I'd changed my world. I let people know
that nobody should ever set feelings for them, that everyone
has the right to aspire to any think they want
to be if they're prepared to work for it, and
(12:00):
they take those opportunities. I just think I get very
grumpy with people who say things like I can't do
such and such, or somebody my child can't do that,
because that's not what we do. You know, just stop
limiting other people. Get on that them have their lives.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I read some years ago now, I mean it would
have to be going back five six, seven years and
the listener, I think it was a story on you,
and I really loved the story. I got a real
insight as to who you were as a person. You
spoke exceptionally fondly of your dad and I think he
may have passed away, and you just said what a
major influence he was in your life. Can you tell
us very.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Quickly about your na my dad used to My dad
was the World War two veteran. Before that, he was
growing up on a farm in the king Country in
the days the Great Depression, and he never had the
chance to education pass Brimar School. But he used to
say to me. Never let anybody tell you you can't
do something, or that they're better than you. You just
(12:54):
get on and do what you want to do. That
was a great inspiration for a kid, and I guess
I always wanted to fulfill that. Just do the best
I can. Those people, don't limit the children, let them
do it.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Wants to lovely nice. Final question, Judith, if you could
invite any one person still alive for dinner, who would
that be?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yeah, I've got to say that the list of those
people are shrinking. I would say possibly Angela Merkle. I've
once in a field and danced and Poland in two
thousand and nine, and I thought, what a nice person
she came across as but also intelligence. I'd quite like
(13:37):
to find out a little bit more about some of
the decisions she'd made through the years, and you know
how she maintained her her sense of self and obviously
her humility, which was obvious to anyone who messages a
really nice person.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
What a thoughtful answer. That's great. And finally, Judith, we
get to ask you which song you would like to
choose and why this one?
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Please well Lovely Day by Bill Withers. I just thought
of loved it. The fact that really really positive. You
can't listen to it without smiling and being really grateful
for life.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
What a great choice, Minister Judith Collins. Thank you again.
We've loved chatting with you all the very best.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Thanks a great day.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Judith Collins. This is her song Lovely Day and News Talks.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
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