Full Show Podcast: 22 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to the Mattin
Tyler Afternoons podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Fantastic show.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Today we went deep into barbecue and Australian meat being
disgusting and overseas pork being gross.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
There was some great meat chat and some great facts
from you actually met Eith. You did ask the question
what is the most eaten animal in the world, and
a lot of people they made a bold choice, but
they were wrong.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
They were wrong.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Find out about that later on or So we had
some breaking news. Barry Soaper injeiced himself into our show.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Garry Soaper came in with some breaking news about Wellington,
had some good shot around that.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
He was great.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Ah, he's an absolute pro. And also something else happened
on the show. I can't remember it right now, but
the year what was it?

Speaker 4 (01:02):
It was well we talked the quarter at Acre Dream
and it turned out that people actually love lifestyle blocks.
But who likes a lifestyle block?

Speaker 3 (01:08):
I mean all that air the life out of you?
Lifestyle even if you've got a.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Ride on mower. I mean like it sounds good.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Do you know some people love them, some people don't.
I talk up apartment living, so let's get stuck into
the pod.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Give them a taste of Kiwi.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Your new home for Insateful and ed to Teening Talk.
It's Mattie and Tyner Adams afternoons on news Talk ZEBBI.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Well today, welcome into the show. Tuesday afternoon. Matt and
Tyler with you until four pm. Great to have your
company as always, Maddy, you're going.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I'm doing very well. Actually well.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
A big thing that I've found out about you over
the past couple of weeks is you're a massive baseball fan.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
You've got to be.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Careful with the American sports because they're very, very addictive.
I saw the Dodgers play in Colorado against the Rockies
and fell in love with baseball. I just went on
to the game on a whim and then started reading
about the Dodgers. And this was many, many years ago,
about eight years ago, maybe even ten years ago, and
I've become completely addicted on the sports.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Certainly watch it here in your phone. What are the
Dodgers doing?

Speaker 2 (02:10):
And unlike other sports, Baseball's played basically every day. They
play you know, they can play one hundred and eighty
two games a year.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
So there's a lot to follow.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
But my beloved Dodgers have made it into the World
Series up against the dirty Yankees.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Starts on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Dodgers defeated the Mets yesterday in Game six, and boy,
oh boy, this is huge. It's huge for baseball. Baseball's
already had some of the biggest ratings this year, but
the the New York LA World Series has been something
they've been wanting for a long time. Two huge population
centers to very very popular teams.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Historic, this is it, It's.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Gonna be, It's gonna be huge.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Starts Saturday at one pm our time, and hype. You
got Shohatani, who was paid seven hundred and fifty million
dollars to pay for play for.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
The Dodgers, how many years? For ten years?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
He is an absolute superstar. Japan Money, Japan is all
in on the Dodgers. You've got Freddie Freeman, fantastic, you
got Mooky Bets. Dodgers don't have any pitching, but that's
not a problem. This is very exciting for me and
not exciting for anyone else. It also apologize for the
last three minutes of punishment.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
I love your passion, mate, I love your passion. But right,
let's get onto the show. After three o'clock we're going
to be talking about camping.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, is it the best Keyi holiday? Camping has proven
more popular than ever, with many Northland campgrounds already already
booked out for the summer. So is classic Keiwi camping
in a campground the best holiday you can have?

Speaker 3 (03:42):
I think it is. I was camping last.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Year up north and I was walking around and I've
met a bunch of people as having a great time,
and I started feeling sorry for billionaires. I had this
thought in my head because I was talking to a
friend who works on souper yachts and she was saying,
the billionaires turn up. They don't really talk to each other,
they'll cancel holidays. They're lonely, they're isolated. But you meet people,

(04:06):
you're not isolated from other families. You can crack it
and touch rugby with strange as your kids run around
meeting people. I feel sorry for rich people and on
their holidays. The communal nature of a camping ground is
just so good.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Always loved it in the camping ground where someone would
start drinking the beers at about sort of three o'clock
in the afternoon, and everyone circles around then them and say,
oh is at that time?

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, let's get into it.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, the first day you don't know people, but then
you know your neighbors, and then you've got your camp
cheer over in the front of their tent, and then
you're having a drink. And the whole thing's just about
eating and playing a bit of sport and then preparing
lunch and then how early you can start drinking.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
It's great stuff.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
That's after three o'clock. After two o'clock, nearly two thousand
tons rather of ossie beef was imported into New Zealand
from July to September this year. That's a lot of
Aussie meat. That is the largest volume since twenty ten
and fourteen years Walworth. They say they back ki wee
beef where they can. But do you care where your
meat comes from?

Speaker 2 (05:02):
One hundred percent, especially with pork or not by pork
that's not from New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
But yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Actually, I'm quite patriotic about it. There's a feeling about
New Zealand produced produce that you know, it's good and
it's clean, and it's and also you know, the money's
going back into your own economy.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yeah, all very good logical arguments. And chatting to people
around the newsroom today, most of them did say that
they will zero went on New Zealand beef in particular. Yeah,
but I call me a bed kiwi and a lot
of people kiwi. I'll go for the price. Really, I
like a good cut, so I want to try and
get the rabbi if I can, or one of that,

(05:41):
maybe a surloin, right, but what about it? Nine times
out of ten, I don't actually know where it comes from.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
I bought a beautiful I fill it. Oh yeah, Kiwi
beef last weekend, cooked it up on the barbecue. It
was just it was beyond brilliant to cost me eighty eight.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Bars and money. And you've got to get the cooking right.
You've got to get the cooking right.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
You go charcoal or classic classic, guess, guess, guess, yes,
all the way right, that's after two o'clock was right.
Now we're going to have a chat about the end
of the quarter acre dream in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, well, I mean I think the quarter aga dream
has been gone a long time. A quarter acre is
one one hundred and that's oney eleven square meters.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
That's a huge section.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
That's huge.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
Developers would love a section like that.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Oh yeah, it's gone.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
But so home ownership is up for the first time
in thirty years, is up to sixty six percent now.
This is because almost half of buyers are open to
compromising on section size. So instead of the classic standalone
house and big backyard, more and more people are living
in townhouses and apartment situations, and I think that's not
such a bad thing. I recently moved into a townhouse

(06:47):
situation from a classic villa situation.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
And I love it.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Do you need a bigger house to be happy? Can
you live life? And in fact, can you have a better
life in an apartment or a townhouse? I'd like to
hear from people on this because I love it. I
like the decisions I had to make. When I first
moved in there, I thought it was a bit upset,
but then I had to make thousands of things than
of decisions to make everything work perfectly, to fit all
the stuff in there. And mine isn't tiny, you know,

(07:13):
it's three storied, it's got three bedrooms, it's not it's
not tiny.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
It's got any how many square meters inside for your place, now,
the smaller one over one hundred, because hundred hundred's cozy,
hundred's cozy.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Definitely over one hundred.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Under three hundred.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, it's three stories, but it's it's smaller than the
other place. But there is just there's something about the tidiness,
the way you can control it.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
It's Marie condo situation that you won everything. You called
it a bento box.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I spent a little bit of japan time in Japan
a couple of years ago, and I love the way
they put their houses together.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
While I was staying in hotels. Everything works perfectly.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
It's tiny space, but you can you can utilize it
in a good way.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
If you've got more property, you just use it. Just
still rubbish everywhere.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
There were three things we were looking at, you know,
the sort of top priorities when we were buying a
house in christ Shots. Number one was water pressure, to
have good water pressure yet, so we tested the shower
when we went ten to these places, and others followed us.
When they saw us turning the shower on, they turned
the shower on as well.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
It's such a smart thing to do because so many
people I know movingto places and they go, oh, the
water PreCure is terrible.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Check it out, check it out. Number two was a bathtub.
I really wanted a bath and number three at that time,
but weird. Number three at that time was a decent
sized section, so down in christ Church we're renting it
out at the moment. It's seven hundred square so that's
you know, that's a good good section for us. But
now if I was to buy it again, I don't

(08:39):
think it would be as much of a consideration because
that was a heck of a lot of land, probably
too much land for us. It just became Admond at
the end of.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
The did you put in gardens in there and live
off your own produce?

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Already had gardens, fruit trees galore, had a greenhouse at
the beck.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
You did you did you run the gardens? You're eating
out of the garden?

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Shout of we ate the fruit. I got a dehydrator.
It's a long story. Actually I tried to dehydrate the fruit.
A fruit didn't go so well.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
It sounds like a long and very interesting story.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
It was nobody wants to nobody wants to hear that story.
But yeah, if I to do our time again, I
think we'd get less land for a cheaper house. Yeah right,
and location, location is important. Yeah, yes, oh, eight hundred
eighty and eighty. I mean we all know. I think
the quarter acre dream has been long gone. That's a
heck of a lot of land. But when you're looking

(09:26):
at property now we're here in the market, Yeah, do
you care about the size of your section or do
you try and go for a smaller section at a
bit of a discount. Love to hear from you. Nine
to niney too is the text number. It is a
quarter past one.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons you
for twenty twenty four used TALKSB.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
News Talks there B. It is seventeen past one, and
we're talking about the the end or the death of
the quarter acre dream, and it's long being dead. When
you look at a quarter acre, which is a thousand
square meters, not many people have that sort of section
unless you're running some sort of arm operation.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Fifty thousand height of Romney on there.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yeah, but a lot of people now we're downsizing and
the size of the section is not a big consideration.
And it was similar with you, Matt. You are downsized
a couple of years ago.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Moved into a townhouse from a villa type situation and
I love.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
It so good.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
You've got I've got my two sons in there with
me as well half the time, and there's plenty of room.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
And you know, you get.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Out into the community, you do more stuff outside of
the house, so I think I think it might be
better in a smaller house. Have you got a lawn,
got a little bit of a nature strip to.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Get around on that?

Speaker 2 (10:43):
I got room for a spar paul outside and a shed.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Do you actually have a mole for that little bit
of nature strip? I've got a gardener, you do, Julian,
how are you made?

Speaker 6 (10:56):
Julian from Causton? As you know, I live in a
lovely old church in in cast which has got well
over an acre of land with it.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
I think your circumstances change through your life. I mean
when we had the earthquakes, we had some extensive repairs
needed in a house and Pepperui and we moved into
a little one bedroom flat to well, the reservations were
done and I absolutely loved it. So I think it's yeah,

(11:27):
things change as you get a bit older, you know,
most probably I'm going backwards and getting a big bit
of land when I'm at my age. But I'm actually
really enjoying it.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I guess it's not quite as much pressure on land
and cast as it might be in Central Look.

Speaker 6 (11:47):
And look, I've got a little animal lawmark that I
just move around the pedictanchine keeps the grass.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Down, yeah, goes or sheep.

Speaker 6 (12:01):
Yeah. A couple of other things though. The I agree
with you, Matt about the baseball. It's absolutely amazing game.
I've only got into it. I've only got into it
in the last year. But you know, all those names
you mentioned, they're look, you know, they're on phenomenal wages
and they earn every single beaning.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Yeah, I was missed.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
I was impressed when Freddy Freeman got they bought them
for four hundred and fifty million.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
I thought that was that was a lot.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
And then I just got Shohtani Japanese Superstars over seven
hundred million.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
That's not a bad way, is it? Not a bad? Mate?
Eighty million? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Right, I had had to break this up. Housing Baba
might a little bit later on.

Speaker 6 (12:40):
Sorry, I tell you one more thing, Yes please, Matt.
You gave them advice about getting to sleep last week.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's right, I did. I think I
got it wrong.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
No, no, look, health reasons. I've got a stona bag.
So I'm up a couple of three times a night,
and I've been using that technique and it is absolutely brilliant.
Here I actually got within ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, because so there thing actually the best way to
do it.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
So the breathing I gave you, I think the best
is actually four seconds breathing hold for seven seconds and
breathe out for eight seconds is even better than what
I said. I got it around the wrong way. I
said nine whatever. But but the breathing to slow your
heart date right down, it works, doesn't it?

Speaker 6 (13:25):
It does, and it's I was pretty amazed, you know
the first time I used it. Its yeah, you know,
it's just great. So that's how I get to sleep.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
There, go on you variety of topics. There, we appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
You call baseball chat breathing chat. Am I going to
get the housing chat now?

Speaker 2 (13:39):
I'll do an hour on baseball but we're talking about
do you need a large property, do you need a backyard,
or can you just be Can you be just as
happy in an apartment or a townhouse.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Some comments here by Auckland A University of Technology construction
professor John Tukey. He agreed tough, tougher economic conditions meant
the way people approach property had changed. Since early twenty tens.
There had been a shift away from the large house
on big properties and towards multi unit and terrace homes.
We've all seen that. Although the aspiration, he went on
to say, to buy property was still strong, more people

(14:11):
now realize they may not end up with the traditional
ki weed dream house. And that is kind of just
a sign of the times, right, is that in any
major city around New Zealand Auckland, Wellington, christ Church, we've
seen these townhouses, We've seen these apartments at time in
big numbers. And if you're a first home buyer, I
think the reality now is that if you want a section,
that's going to be incredibly tough to afford those times.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, but I'm going one step further and saying it's
more fun than a smaller house.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've downsized
and loved it, love to hear from you. It is
twenty two past one.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking
Breakfast to.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Prime Ministers with us Krystoph Luckxon.

Speaker 7 (14:52):
How do you explain a minister of the Crown going
up to a person that he's literally never met in
going why don't you get some wine.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
And f off you lose?

Speaker 5 (15:01):
How does that evolve any? I mean, he got it
very very wrong.

Speaker 7 (15:03):
I mean you can sort of dispute stories on both
sides as to what exactly was said or wasn't head,
but the bottom line is from his perspective, he owns
it completely and that's why you saw him front it
very strongly off.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Can you fathom at that here as well?

Speaker 8 (15:15):
Well?

Speaker 7 (15:15):
I mean again no I can't. I mean that's why
I said to him, it's pretty disappointing. They aren't the
standards or the language or the behavior that I would
expect on my minister. As you hold the position twenty
four to seven, The reality is he caused hurt and
insult and he acknowledges that.

Speaker 9 (15:27):
Back tomorrow at six am, the mic asking breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
It's twenty five past one, so sixty six percent of households.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Own their homes last year. That's an increase, the first
increase in thirty years. And almost half of buyers would
be willing to compromise on the size of this section.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
And that's why there's more people owning.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Their houses, because people are living in apartments and townhouses.
And if you're looking for a house, as the size
of insection section important.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
It used to be for me, and for me I've
got to say not so much anymore. But when hopefully
we eventually have children, maybe it will be. At that
point you have a little bit of room for a tramp.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
I've got a couple of kids upstairs. Yeah, and they're
happy running around our townhouse.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call get a mic geddo guys, how I am very well?
What's your take on this one?

Speaker 10 (16:19):
Very good?

Speaker 11 (16:19):
Hey, I am just putting the finishing touches to a
report looking at subdivision development across Canterbury. So basically, it's
a stock take of every single current subdivision and everything
that's likely to come to the market over the next
three to five years. So currently in Canterbury the average

(16:41):
size of a new residential section is around about four
hundred square meters now. That's down from about four hundred
and fifty square meters two years ago. I'm seeing some
sections as small as two hundred and seventy square meters.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Are the homes getting any small all a mike? Clearly
the sections are, but are the homes. They're still sizable homes.

Speaker 11 (17:12):
These new builts look look, look they are and there's
there's there's two completely different markets here. One you do
have your multi unit developments, where we're seeing anywhere from
six to thirty units on a site, and they can
be as small as here in christ Church, as small

(17:33):
as thirty six square meters without a car park. But
obviously as you sort of move out to the outer
edges of christ Church and certainly in Selwyn and Wymaker AIRI,
we're seeing the average size of a residential dwelling somewhere
between one hundred and sixty and one hundred and eighty

(17:55):
square meters.

Speaker 10 (17:55):
Now.

Speaker 11 (17:55):
Over the last ten years, there's been a definite downward
trend in the in the size of four areas, and
that's driven by a couple of things. Firstly, our household units,
the number of people living in our houses is smaller.
Here in christ Church it's two point seven people per household,

(18:18):
and sell when it's about two point nine. So again
we've sort of seen that two to three bedroom, three
to four bedroom standalone houses are predominant. But again, if
I was to go back, say to the mid twenty twenties,
the medium size of a residential house would have been
two hundred two hundred and ten, so there's a definite

(18:39):
fall off. But the other thing that's driving that is affordability. Obviously,
the cost of land has increased significantly and then by
the time you put a house on it, and whether
you're a mover looking to buy your second or third
house or first home buyers, certainly affordability is a key

(19:01):
driver for that.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Very good.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
It's interesting if you have a small house or a
larger house, it just means that your lifestyle change is Say,
for example, if you live in New York City, then
you have a lot of people you.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Know live there.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
They don't any music kitchens, they don't have they don't
have laundries. They live their lives out and they're going
to eat in Deli's restaurants and you get out of
the house. So when you have a small house, you
just have a different lifestyle. That doesn't mean it's a
worse lifestyle.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
Mike, you'd agree with that.

Speaker 11 (19:28):
Look, well, absolutely, and again look whether it be lifestyle
or your age or whatever. Look, I'm currently in Leiston.
I'm just a driving around, just sort of checking out
some new subdivisions. And look, the further you get out
from christ Church Leiston, which is a good you know,
for forty to fifty minute drive into christ Church Darfield,

(19:50):
what we're seeing is we are seeing larger sections in
these subdivisions and there's still plenty of thousand square meter
let's call them lifestyle lots that are available, but that's
a smaller percentage if I was to lo in Rolliston

(20:10):
or Lincoln. Again, five hundred, four hundred and fifty square
meters is a much more common size. And again, as
I said, you know, as you get into christ Church,
then the predominance of new housing is this multi unit development,
where again we're seeing the average size of these household

(20:30):
units is eighty six square meters, which is two bedrooms.
So look a look, it's partly driven by by price.
It's partly driven by lifestyle and household occupancy. But again,
what we're seeing built in Selwyn and Wymacreri again is

(20:54):
probably seventy to eighty percent single story individual standalone family
houses with the backyard, and that is the predominant style
of housing that I'm seeing built in those and those
are very interesting.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Thank you, Mike. Good to chat.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
So I've got a question for you here, Okay, nine
two nine two. What is the click to the value
of residential property in New Zealand according to core Logic.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
This is all of it.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Ask of question.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
This is this is little properties, big priverties, residential properties
in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
You're going to give us a clue, a little bit,
I'll give you.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I'll give you a full park yay seven hundred billion,
b eight hundred billion see one point six y two trillion.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
It's definitely the last one. Definitely last one.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Nine two nine two is the text number of just
Mike was talking about the lifestyle blocks and lifestyles sections
rather and I anecdotally, you know, I've come across a
lot of people who love that idea of having a
lifestyle section, nothing too big, a couple of acres, maybe
upwards of fives.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Their death style blocks, they make your life miserable. Yeah,
they get there.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
And case in point, my parents when they bought the
the Kiwi fruit orchard that was thirteen acres and they
love that idea being out in the country and they
got contractors into sort out the Kiwi fruit but it
ended up being a massive hassle. They spent all their
free time tend into the party.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, well, I remember we sort of lived in that
kind of situation. You spend a lot of your lot,
you stop going on holidays because you're just working on
your own property. And that's a huge you know, that's
the far end of it. But I say the same
thing about even just your normal I mean quarter acre.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
That's huge these days.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
But there's something about just having like a townhouse and
everything sorted. Everything works. You don't have to do anything
on your property. In the weekend. You're going out seeing
the world, you're experiencing other people, you're socializing, you're having
a fantastic time.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
You've got a couple of our townhouses for sale or something.
You're a massive downhouse convert.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
I'm not into pottering around my garden. I want to
get out and do stuff.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the size
of the section that much of a priority these days.
Love to hear from you headlines on their way.

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Tyler Adams.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we are talking about
our fascination with land size seems to be dwindling. A
lot more people are not putting it at the top
of their priority list. When they're looking for a house.
They don't care about the quarter acre. They don't even
care about seven hundred square meters. They just want a
discount on the home.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
I like the sticks here lifestyle block, you mean life
sentence block, just calling them death style blocks. But when
you get that large piece of land and then you
just have to live for your land that's not productive,
doesn't make you any money, so you're still working for
the land but not getting anything back. So much would
I would prefer to be in a townhouse in town
close to restaurants, can go out and do everything rather

(25:03):
than working all.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
My life on on just some land. Yeah, who cares.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
Dad worked us kids like nothing else to try and
help with the admin. But luckily we had a ride
on Walmart so that they made it fun.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Oh I grew up on it and we've got right
on lawnmarer geez. Anyway, what is the collective value of
residential property in New Zealand? According to core Logic?

Speaker 3 (25:23):
That was my question. I asked it poorly and you.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Guessed it straight away because I didn't put decimal places
on the other ones. So it is I said, seven million,
eight hundred billion or one point six two trillion was clearly.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Going to be that one. Yeah, it was the one
point six clearly. The one that's more specific.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
One point two one point six two trillion dollars is
a collective valley of residential property in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, so we've only got one hundred and twelve billion
in keep we saver.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
It's a lot of wealth and property, Yida.

Speaker 13 (25:50):
Simon, Yeah, hello, I just kind of wanted to make
an interesting point. I spent most of my twenties and
thirties working abroad, specifically in Europe, so we're kind of
used to living in smaller apartments. But I have to
say the difference in the lifestyle there was that everything
was more suited to it. I mean, I didn't need
a car because the public transport infrastructure was so good. Yeah,

(26:12):
if I didn't do a road trip, I'd rent a car.
It was a lot cheaper like that, there was no
point in.

Speaker 14 (26:17):
Having one permanently.

Speaker 13 (26:19):
And the entertainment was a lot more suited to that
style of living as well, Like there was a lot
more people going out to restaurants and bars, so therefore
the prices and restaurants and bars were a lot more
affordable and a lot higher quality and thinking of and
entertainment wise, you had a lot more like theater, a
lot of arts and culture and so on, and so
that kind of suited that smaller apartment style way of life.

(26:42):
And what I've seen in New Zealand since I've kind
of been back from just before COVID is like we've
put up a lot of apartments and townhouses, like you say,
but the infrastructure hasn't really changed accordingly to suit that lifestyle.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, what cities were you living in Europe? Simon?

Speaker 15 (27:00):
Sorry?

Speaker 12 (27:01):
What was that?

Speaker 3 (27:01):
What was the city you were living in Europe quite
a few.

Speaker 13 (27:05):
But the last, like the last five years was in Sweden.
I own Stockholm and a little bit and gotten.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
De Yeah that might and you might be right.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
And my positive chat about townhouses could be because I
live in a restaurant district, so I'm kind of experiencing
that sort of international situation where if you are going
to have a small house, you do want to spend
a lot of your time outside of it, which which
I do. My favorite I've got so many bars and
restaurants around me that.

Speaker 15 (27:31):
That it is like that.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
But you're quite right if you're in deep suburbia and
there's and you're surrounded by townhouses and nowhere to go,
and it's not such a great time, is it.

Speaker 10 (27:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
So i'mon just told they're a bit because we've got
some breaking news.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
This is news talks breaking news.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Well, this is big. The government has confirmed it intends
to appoint to Wellington City Council and observer. The Local
Government Minister Simeon Brown says the government will intervene in
the council. So that is big news.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
So an observer not a commissioner, yes, yep.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
At this stage so there will be plenty more on
that is the afternoon progresses. But yeah, that is significant news.
Right back to the property chap for the time being.
O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. A lot of people texting about lifestyle blocks,
and I've got to say fifty to fifty on whether
it has been worth while for them or whether it
was just too much Edmond and too much.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Work like this text here heat stopping a dick kid.
Most of the country love lifestyle blocks. If you cannot
afford to enjoy one due to your limited budget, stop
giving us the means to afford them. And we love
bringing our kids up out there. Yeah, I mean that's
great if you do. But I think a lot of
people the dream is very different from the reality. And
people think I'm going to go out and we have
this bag bit of land and then no one comes

(28:48):
to visit them, and they're just isolated in the weekend
hanging out with missus, has nothing to do except for
work on the land.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
I loved it as a kid. My parents, on the
other hand, I could see that it was just a
lot of work. But as a kid, I was, you know,
like a kid in a candy store.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah, I didn't like cutting gorse on the weekends.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Yeah, hundred and eighty ten eighty. It is nineteen minutes
to two.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams. Afternoons you
for twenty twenty four you talk SEDB.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
News Talk zed B. So if you didn't catch the
news earlier. Our local government minister Simeon Brown has decided
to place an observer on Wellington City Council following its
decision to reopen its long term plan. That is big news.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Well yeah, okay, so an observer just sitting and watching.
You know what's an observer do? As an observer go
to be able to has got access to to observe.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
You've hit an out of the heads.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
There is there any teeth to an observer or do
they just report back to the government and they make
the decision.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
As I understand it, So the observer to me, I
think is if they're going to intervene, it has to
start with an observer. That is the lowest cost option
for the government and for the council because it means
all the councilors and the mayor at this stage keep
their jobs. The nuclear option is to sack them all
and getting commissioners. So they haven't gone there that far.
But as I understand, the observer, once they're in there

(30:11):
has access to everything, so they open up the books,
they assess how the councilors behave they with one another?

Speaker 3 (30:17):
They sit in a little chair in the council meetings.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yeah, yeah, that sees observer on it like a director
in a movie set. But they can determine so then
they will present back to Samon Brown their findings or
their observations, and then he can decide whether to take
further steps.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
But it is big news.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, it's big news, and you know it's a massive
lack of faith in what's going on. But I think
everyone could see something had to happen.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
If you want to have a chat about that, more
than welcome. O eight hundred eighty ten eighty. How do
you feel about that, particularly if you're in Wellington? Is
that a good move or are you a bit fearful
that the government is coming in hot and taking over
your council? Nine two nine too is the text number,
but we'll stick with property for the time being.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
Get a John.

Speaker 10 (30:59):
Yeah, okay, guys, look.

Speaker 16 (31:01):
I think what you're looking for is obviously budget dependent,
but you know, it's time and life as well. My
first house was two bedroom, had a mezzanine floor as well,
so it had kind of an offless space, something around
about five hundred and that's what we could afford and
it was fine. But you know, when having children, I

(31:21):
had three sons, I bought a bagar place. You know,
still what I considered a small section, which was seven
fifty and that was just around the turn of the
century Christmas ninety nine. But what that has allowed is
the kids, especially when they're young, can play football in
the There was room for the trample and there was

(31:44):
room for a bunch of fruit trees. I've still got
two sons at home, and you know, there's also six
vehicles because both and we've got two. We've got a
van each and our own vehicle each BLUs. There's a
motorcycle and two other cars. And you know, if you're
living that lifestyle and you have kids like that, you
kind of need it. If you can do it, it's

(32:06):
all very well. Having a four bit droom house and
nowhere to park your car, yeah, which I see happening
all over Auckland. I'm reasonably central Auckland, and you know
that they're building places with no or one car park,
well even a single person. Often there's a company vehicle
on a car and I just you know, life would
be difficult like that.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
I think for me, I find it interesting for me
when you talk about the kids and running around. So
I live in a townhouse now, it's three stories. My
kids have never been further away from me in terms
of space because on the third floor, they're on the
third floor. They got there owned bathroom up there. They've
got plenty of space to run around. But yeah, the
parking is a massive issue.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah, that would be a big turn off if I
was looking at just on there, John, if I was
looking at townhouses or apartments and we may be you know,
in the near future up in Auckland, if it said
no car park, I'd be instantly out because that's a
massive thing for a lot of people.

Speaker 14 (33:04):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 16 (33:05):
And you know, like if you want a new build,
they're hard to find if you want to you know,
like you and your wife, you think, wow, that's great
if you're going to be in your house for most
of your lifetime, which I have been. You know, your
kids are going to get cars as well. And you know,
I hear what Matt was saying, his kids them never
further away.

Speaker 8 (33:24):
Same in our house.

Speaker 16 (33:25):
They've got their own bathroom and all that sort of thing.
But it's just that fact that you don't have to
take them up the park is a bull go in
the wawn yeah.

Speaker 14 (33:33):
You know.

Speaker 16 (33:34):
And when they're older, they're big enough to go to
the footy club on their own and that's sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
So I don't know, it just works for us, and
I just you know, well good on you, John, sounds
like you're living the dream. Well done.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
Yeah, and a lot of people would agree with the
John absolutely that having some section or at least parking
is very valuable. O one hundred and eighty ten eighty
will pick this back up very shortly, and we're hoping
they have a chat with Barry Soper, our political correspondent. Obviously,
big news breaking out of Wellington that the Government has
decided to send in an observer. Simeon Brown has said,

(34:06):
and I quote, I have been concerned about the Council's
ability to manage their long term plan amendment and adoption process.
Following their recent decision to rite it's twenty twenty four
to thirty four long term plan. He then went to
say that he has the powers of assistance and intervention
and relation to a local authority, and he's decided to
send in a Crown observer to effectively. I mean it's

(34:28):
a name, isn't it. They will observe, they will open
up the books and they will determine whether more intervention
is necessary. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call? Was this inevitable for Wellington? If you're
in Wellington, love to hear from you. A couple of
teps coming through, bloody brilliant news. The Wellington City Council
are completely dysfunctional, especially the mayor. Need as much help

(34:52):
as we can get to get Wellington back on track.
It is the capital that's from Marla. So keep those
techs coming through and the phone calls on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. It's eleven to two.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Mattie Tyler Adams taking your calls on. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty Ethan Tyler Adams afternoons news TALKSB.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
News talks.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
HEB.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
So now as we know, local government Minister Simeon Brown
has decided to place a Crown observer on Wellington City
Council following its decision to reopen its long term Plan
and studio. Is our senior political correspondent Barry Soaper get
Ape Perry.

Speaker 17 (35:28):
Hello, Lad's how are we today?

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Very good? Thank you better since you have wanted into
the room. What powers does an observer have? Not a
lot of powers.

Speaker 17 (35:37):
Actually as an observer status, so the person appointed will
sit in on the meetings. And clearly the city Council
in Warnington hasn't been going according to plan, in the
long term plan being the operative plan that they should
have been after and Tory Farnal has been an absolute
disaster as mayor. And she was up at Parliament last

(36:01):
week talking to Sammy and Brown came away as she
normally does, chirpy and saying, oh no he never mentioned
anything about intervention. Well, it just goes to show how
closely she reads the situation.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Is that a case with the observer, makes report and
takes it to the government or is the observer reporting
back constantly?

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Is this that mol type situation?

Speaker 18 (36:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (36:22):
No, constantly that Simmy and Brown as the local government minister,
he will get reports, updated reports from the observer and
if they have to take any further intervention then they
will do based on what the observer is taking in
that the issue really hearers that it seems that Tory

(36:44):
Farna and her lot don't understand financing because there is
under three waters away to finance that the government enabled
through legislation since becoming government a year ago. Clearly they
don't know how to do it. So they're going to
be shown how to do it. And if they didn't
do it then rates would be front loaded onto rate

(37:06):
paths to the tune of seven hundred million dollars over
the next ten years. And I'll tell you what, I'm pleased.
I'm not a rate payer in Wellington.

Speaker 9 (37:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
Yeah, I mean this is a big serve, isn't it
to the council saying bark up or we're going to
seek you effectively.

Speaker 14 (37:22):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (37:22):
Absolutely. You saw it happening in Tarrong. And of course
they've just concluded with Marty Drysdale. I think the mayor
and Tarrong are now that they had an election that
he could have come down harder on the council and
called for an early election, but that probably would have
reinforced what is a impossible situation there at the moment.

(37:46):
So he decided the observer is the best way to go,
and I happened to agree with him, but it was inevitable.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
So humiliating for some of the Wellington City Council. But
some of them were keen on this, weren't they.

Speaker 17 (37:58):
Well, if you look at Nikola Young, for example, she's
been on z B constantly telling us that an observer
has to be appointed because they're getting nowhere with Torri Vanu.
And you only have to look at recent interviews with
this mayor to understand that she doesn't understand very much
about what she's talking about most of the time, and

(38:19):
even during the course of an interview we'll have to
correct herself about what she said earlier. And she had
a rush of blood to the head.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
So if the preserver keeps reporting back that things are
dysfunctional and aren't going to improve, do they then bring
in a commissioner?

Speaker 17 (38:34):
Yep, they can do that, and that'll override the council
and make decisions on behalf of what is a democratically
elected council. You're going to get these screamers on the
sidelines now saying this is overturning the democratic process. Well, sorry,
sometimes a democratic process doesn't work the way it should do.
And Wellington, there is no doubt that cycle ways seem

(38:59):
to be more important than waterways, and we've got plenty
of those flowing down the streets in the Capitol.

Speaker 10 (39:04):
At the moment.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
So what happens today? Does the observer going from today
KEO open the doors and say open up your books
because I'm here to make change it.

Speaker 17 (39:12):
No, it's not quite that dramatic, but the minister has
to appoint. No doubt they've got an observer in mind,
so they have to appoint one, and there is due
process to be followed because it is a significant step
and it's not the first time it's been done, and
it probably won't be the last.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
Exciting, As always in.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
The political fa I just say for first times, great
the first time with a Verry Soper breaking news as
a real pleasure, exciting.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
The sting, oh no, they forgot the broken.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Developing news. We'll get that after I go off, we'll
just say, well you've already heard it.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Well we'll end with that, staying yeah, but it's the first.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
I wait one hundred and eighty ten eighty Love to
hear your thoughts on this, particularly if you're in Wellington,
but if you're not in Wellington, love to hear from
you as well.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
I'll wait hundred and eighty ten.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Let's get into it.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
It's Matt Heathan Tyler Adams Afternoons new for twenty twenty
four News Talk said, be.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Good afternoons here, welcome back into the show. Wow Wow Wow.
Big news out of Wellington today, So the government sees
it plans to appoint a Crown observer to Wellington City Council.
Councilors have been eying up potential cuts to their ten
year budget after doing a U turn on selling the
cities thirty four percent shareholding in Wellington Airports. So today
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown says an observer would assist

(40:43):
the council to develop a financially sustainable long term plan
pretty much get your s together. Brown has been given
advice from the Department of Internal Affairs. He says the
council was not utilizing its balance sheet appropriately in order
to maintain critical infrastructure like water.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, so decision to pay for most of its water
investment with rates rather than debt, which was, as Brown said,
would charge Wellington City great Pass by seven hundred million
over the next few years rates going through the roof
and Wellington.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Is it the right move? Eighty you think it's the
right move?

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Yeah, oh one hundred and eighteen eighty. Was this the
right move for the government to put in an observer?

Speaker 15 (41:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Absolutely, I think it was. This is the least dramatic
option the government had to Wintervene is to put in
an observer. And we don't know who that is yet,
but it will be a high profile person to get
in there and just observe, to open up the books,
to look to see where the conflicts are arising, to
see whether they are making sensible financial decisions on behalf

(41:43):
of the people of Wellington. But also remember this is
our this is our capital, this is one of the largest.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Zeal Does that mean obviously having in toto but is
it more in a way humiliating that it's our center
of government, It's it's Wellington, it's our capital that is
having an observer put in on its council.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
To me, it is and we know what happened in
Totong's case and very recently had another election, a democratic election,
and Mahi Drysdale was a new mayor. But in that
case it was deep seated conflict with the councilors that
they could not resolve, so the government felt it had
no choice but to send in commissioners. Hasn't got to
that stage in Wellington yet. But if the observer is

(42:26):
not happy with what they see when they're in the
city council and they open up those books and they
see some rarely unorthodox decisions being made, it's not off
the table.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
But did they know.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
I mean, the observer knows what they're going to find.
The observer's going into report back to the government what
you'd expect to find. It's almost feels a little bit
to me like a shot across the bows.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
Certainly. Yeah, i'd agree with that. Does it make you
nervous though, that the government would come into a city
council and at this stage it's just an observer. But
these people, rightly or wrongly, were democratically elected into that
position and the government's come in and saying you're getting
it wrong.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Well, yeah, I mean it's a big move, isn't it,
Because as you say, they're they're the Council. They've been
voted for by the Wellington people, so asn't a move
that would be taken lightly. But do you agree as
Nicola Willis said that the situation is a shambles in Wellington?
Do you think it was an overreaction or an or
an underreaction? O e one hundred and eighteen.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Eighty nine two ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
It is ten past two, your new home of Afternoon
Talk and even Taylor Adams Afternoon Call.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
Good afternoon, it's twelve past two.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Gay Sparky, what do you think about this move to
insert an observer into the Wellington City Council?

Speaker 14 (43:47):
Oh?

Speaker 19 (43:47):
Good ey, guys, Matt and Tyler, how are you going?

Speaker 20 (43:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (43:50):
I think it's a really good move. My blood starts
boiling actually when I start talking about council affairs and
this current administration. But yeah, I think it's a good
idea because clearly we can't we can't manage our books
and we need someone independent to come in and just
sort of have a second look over things. I mean,

(44:11):
probably need to have a counselor rang in as well,
because I don't know the ender workings of how council works,
but just there's so many things of this current council
that just make me really angry, like all the wasteful,
like all the wasteful spending, the town hall projectors. It's
been going on for like about eight years. I think
it still looks like a bomb site. So I can't

(44:34):
imagine how much that must have cost so far. I know,
the blood the budget has been blown on that three
or four times over. Then you've got, you know, we
really need to spend money on critical infrastructure, like all
the water leaks and all that.

Speaker 21 (44:50):
You know, you've got.

Speaker 19 (44:53):
The library down here, which was earthquake prone and they're
doing a project to strengthen that. They had the option
to demo it and rebuild it for about a third
of the cost, but decided to strengthen it. And you know,
you've got to feel for the rate payers, you know,
first home buyers, you know, the elderly who are paying rates,
and they're just so wasteful with their spending. Here is

(45:16):
an arrogance about it.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
I saw that story Sparky about the water bill average
water bill for Wellington, and that made my eyes water
because that was I think on average six hundred bucks
a month. I mean that alone would make a lot
of people very irate in Wellington. And that doesn't take
into account the increases and rates that you've got over there,
just on the airport sale debarcle, and it was a debarcle.

(45:40):
Where did you sit on that? Were you annoyed that
they just seemed to be all over the shop or
were you happy that they made the right decision in
the end.

Speaker 19 (45:49):
Well, I think I don't know the full details, but
I think it came down to one vote or something
like that. And you know, I reckon they should have
actually borrowed, you know, as in debt to fund a
lot of the infrastructure stuff that we need to do.
It probably would have supported selling some of the shares here,
why not to perhaps cash to pay for that stuff.

(46:10):
But you know, to put it back on right fas
really unfair. I think we had a fifteen or sixteen
percent increase this year. You can't just keep doing that,
you know, like wages are squeezed, cost of living crisis.
So I think we've got quite a low sort of
borrowing relative to the asset based down here as well.
So there's plenty of capacity to borrow, so why not

(46:33):
You know, we should have done it when rates are lower,
but now rates are a bit higher. But yeah, that's
my tay, So.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Sparky, do you think that the problems in Wellington are surmountable,
that with the right leadership then the right decisions could
be made and the right forward you know, you can
move forward in a more sensible situation. Did you think
that the problems are just massive and anyone would mess
them up?

Speaker 19 (46:56):
I think I definitely think it's it can be changed
with a fresh set of people coming in. Yeah, for sure.
You look back at the previous may or two years ago,
justin Lester, I think it was a pretty good guy.
I didn't know it personally, but he came across as
someone that could get things done and generally good guy.
But yeah, the current crop, well, I don't know if

(47:17):
it's just Tory or just some of your mates, but
I don't know. It just seems it seems to be
that they don't really know what they're doing or I
don't know, they don't know how to manage the books.
But I think you can definitely have a fresh set
of people come and do it. I look at what
Christ Church are doing down there with a little bit
of envy. You know, they've got a new stadium going

(47:38):
up down there, and you know, seems to be like
there's a bit of positivity down there and general optimism
and things are getting done. So I sort of look
down there and think maybe these guys should have what
they're down there.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
It's only recently though, to be fierce barking. I say
that as someone who lived in Canterbury for almost fifteen years,
and you're right, there is harmony is not the right word,
but there is some decisions being made. But that christ
Utch was a basket case for a long time, else
fighting with the council several CEOs. So you know, don't
feel too bad about Wellington and luckily you've got an

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observer coming in there.

Speaker 19 (48:16):
I think it's a nationwide thing, like so many councils,
sorry to just bad counselors, and it just seems to
be a nationwide thing that well I.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Think one of the problems is maybe there's an observer
going into Wellington, but as a voting public, we don't
really take any notice of our councils till they come in.
We don't read all the details and a lot of
people don't vote, and they actually have a whole lot
of power and they affect your life in quite quite
major ways. So if we could somehow as a nation

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take more time to think about who we elect, it
might make a big difference.

Speaker 19 (48:50):
Absolutely, We'll got Like, I think, only twenty five percent
of eligible voters actually vote, So people this time around
really need to get off.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
I mean, a good marketing campaign can change everything when
you're only getting twenty five percent of people voting.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
Yeah, great stuff, Thank you very much, Barkie, and I'm
glad for you. You sound that you're happy that and
Observer's coming into sort things out because as you say,
and I think a lot of Wellington residents are feeling
this that things are a bit of a shambles and
so they need to sort themselves out.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Well, I mean, are we getting anyone at all that's
coming through saying this is a bad idea and that
they're all in on the Wellington City Council.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
A couple here's one of them, afternoon guys. I believe
the government has only put an observer in in Wellington
because the council is left leaning and the government is
right leaning. A right government sacking a left council would
cause a massive uproar.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
So Wayne thinks it's all going well in Wellington and
their council is functional.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Interesting.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Well, just to Extender's point there, I think I agree
that an observer is the right move. I don't know
if i'd say the same if they said you're all
sacked and we're putting in commissioners, I would probably have
a different opinion, thinking ooh, that's the nuclear option. And
I don't think they were there at that point. But
if you disagree with me, to love to hear from you.

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O hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. It's nineteen
past two.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on News
TALKSB News Talks.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
He be good afternoon to you. We are talking about
the Crown Observer coming into Wellington City Council. Details are
yet to come about who that observer is, but we
do know the council has made quite quite a drastic
step to put that observer in to have a review
of how the council is operating. They are not happy I.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Always think of how awkward it is for the observer coming.
So it's just hello, Monday morning. Can I yeah, observer,
I'm going to sitting in the corner.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Don't mind me. Just I'll be looking through here. I'll
be farting around there.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
I'll be reporting back to the government on you guys
because you haven't been getting it right.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
They will be treated like royalty when that person comes
through the doors. Yes sir, please sir. Three begs full sir.
They'll do whatever they are. Well, how are you mate?

Speaker 9 (51:09):
Oh yeah, good afternoon. Actually I didn't know that it
just happened. I was going to say I was hoping
it would happen. I'm a Wellingtonian and look, I've seen
an action. I've actually seen an action.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
They hate that.

Speaker 9 (51:23):
There's they hate each other. I've actually seen an actor
and it's embarrassing. And they clearly cannot work together. They
just can't. And you also have a council doing a thing.

Speaker 15 (51:39):
Is that.

Speaker 9 (51:41):
Most from what I can get, most people don't want it,
but they have to accept responsibility to not just the
counsel for the way all this has gone, so that
the people who haven't bothered to vote all these years
and it's a sizeable amount. I mean, it's way under
half that have voted.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
I go back.

Speaker 9 (52:02):
My father fought in the Second World War, yep, and
for one of those reasons he and all the other.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
Service people was to ensure that we all had the
right to vote.

Speaker 18 (52:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (52:15):
Now, and I'm a person that believes if you don't
it's all very well, getting out there every xact day
and going oh look at me, look at me, virtue signing.
I mean, I'm glad they do, but please don't stop.
But these are the principles of what they thought for voting,
the right to vote for your own choice, you know,

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and not have everything enforce on you. So people, you've
got to get off your butts and let's vote people
in that can fix the city. At the moment, we
don't have a council that seems to be able to well,
it doesn't seem to be able to It can't function together.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's true.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Actually, it isn't interesting how much we've spent talking about
democracy and how important democracy is, but then when it
comes to an election, especially local body elections, no one
behind to.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Vote, not on local government. I mean, the idea was
floated around. I don't know if this would help. That
would have like the general election. You've got your Saturday,
so you get all the polling boost lined up and
everybody knows it's on Saturday and you see the flags.
Do you think that would make any difference? Maybe a
little bit of difference, So I wonderful.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
An observer also works as a little bit of an
adult in the room. If the council hates each other
as well said as having an observer in the room
make you pay a little bit better?

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Is the observer going to go back to the government,
go boy oh boy, they.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
I've got some stories for you.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
So seeing in the commissioner because they hate each other.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Hey you Beryl.

Speaker 20 (53:49):
Hello, dear gentlemen, how are you very good?

Speaker 4 (53:52):
Better now that we're chatting.

Speaker 20 (53:53):
With you, I'm so pleased, like having the sun coming
through two men. There'll be a lot of ladies out
there jealous of me. I don't want to make sorry Darling. Okay, now,
I don't want to make light of this Wellington situation

(54:14):
because it affects me as well. But when I hear
anything coming up about the Wellington City Council, I start
thinking of that song. I think brought out by the
animals called Lola and that guy thinking about we live
in the mixed up mad something world. But I've got

(54:36):
me Lola, And I don't know why that song comes down,
but maybe because they are a mixed up crazy lot
that are running running that council. But my main thing
is I don't want them selling the soul a weird gentleman.
You know, it worries me about it because I mean,

(54:56):
it's not like it's not bringing in money. And you
see once that's gone. I mean it reminds me of
the health Department. It doesn't matter how much money any
government throws at it, it still wants more and more.
It's and just we're starting utuitima. It's like a baby
bood with the mother gets the fish and the baby

(55:17):
keeps on wanting to be fed. So I would hate
them to sell the airport shares because that's part of
the silverware. And you know, whatever happens, because you know,
any city will keep on wanting and wanting and wanting.

Speaker 6 (55:37):
And we're not.

Speaker 20 (55:38):
We're just going to lose something that brings in a
bit of money.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
Yeah, and it was making good money the airport.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Thanks so much. We called Bert.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
I think part of the problem is selling the airport shares,
but then not cutting spending was what a lot of
the argument was. Those that were pro selling the shares
want to cut in spending as well. But I think,
you know, if you go back to Laurel Lola girls,
we've boys boar with girls. It's a mixed up, modled up,
shook up world. It's a little bit of a different
issue in there.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
With the ll She was great on the analogy. Thank
you very much, beer all mar great song, Lola Mark.
What do you think about this?

Speaker 18 (56:10):
Oh, guys, it's it's a very good thing that it's occurred.
One Wellington is I put it this way, there's people
in the suburbs, the working class people in the suburbs
are being held ransom by the inner city tofts who
want this, who want their special stuff. There's the line
in the movie Civil War, the Marvel movie, the young

(56:34):
Spider Man character says to Captain America, you're dangerous because
you think you're right. That is the problem with Tory
and Cohen Wellington. They think they're right.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
It is an interesting set up on Wellington, isn't it,
Because Central Wellington is very different from the rest of it.
I mean it's it's the capital of New Zealand, it's
the capital of government. There's people in a very different
employment then the city surrounding your upper hearts and your life.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
It's a unique electorate, isn't it. Wellington's it is.

Speaker 9 (57:07):
It's distorted.

Speaker 18 (57:09):
It's quite distorted due to the fact of the high
level of income, low level of low level cost of
housing relative to income and Wellington and the concentration of
left wing academia in the city. And it creates a look,
it's created a toxic soup or gas role for one
of a better word, where the ingredients aren't aren't meant

(57:31):
to accompany each other. You've got the wrong flavors mixing
together and the result that you get is an edible
pile of rubbish.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
On Loving these analogies from the callers, these are great.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
It's really painting the picture.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
A love a casse role per fan of cast rob
but not a toxic castle.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
You can't ingredients and they just keep it simple, you know,
just stick with the one broth, don't get mixed up
on it. But Mark, I'm going to play devil's advocate
here that you know, whether you like this council or not.
They were voted in and they got those folks meant
Tory got the maural tea and they all got their jobs.

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And just because we don't like the direction that they took,
does that really mean that we can turf them all
out or is that just inevitable that that you have
to wait three years? Yep, we made a mistake. In
three years, we're gonna have to live through it, and
when we get to that time we'll kick them out.

Speaker 18 (58:23):
Well, I think we're lucky in the fact that the
Minister of Local Government is actually our recall election, which
is what he's done here. He's effectively said, look, children,
we're going to put the dolls in the room and
you're going to have to behave one more into city
councilor actually said on another show this is this is
this juvenility you're dealing with here. He said, if they
put an observer on, people will behave in a performative

(58:46):
manner to get attention. Right now, that's Rallingcoln City. You've
got cosplay people on the council who want you. I'm
surprised they're not dressed up as Darth Vada.

Speaker 11 (58:59):
We've got someone or whatever.

Speaker 18 (59:00):
Mary Poppert, That's exactly what's going to happen.

Speaker 22 (59:02):
Though.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
It's like when you're in high school and the teachers
not in the room and it's absolute chaos and you're
throwing things around the roman as soon as the teacher
walks through. Oh sorry, sir, sorry, sir, Ready to learn, sir.
That's exactly what it's going to be. Mark, thank you
very much.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
Here the boyd all right?

Speaker 4 (59:18):
That go well, Trevor will get you in before the headlines.
How are you?

Speaker 6 (59:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (59:23):
Good?

Speaker 14 (59:23):
Here?

Speaker 23 (59:23):
Look, I'm from down here. I'm from the Heart Valley,
which is slightly different. But I've always considered wanting in
my city in that But you know, I just think
or he's just dumb and naive. Really, I mean, I
don't know whether you remember when the coalition government would
have form, she'd come out and says it's dangerous times
for New Zyllaan. This is the person who knows or
should know that they're going to have to greeze up

(59:45):
to that government to get money for their city. And
you know, her and her left wing two Green members,
they had that email floating around on with your sword
of a penis and the head of the Penis was
Christopher Luxon and the two hanging bits were Winston Peters
and David Seymour. That just selled yeah, and that just
tells her fate of being dumb. I mean what she

(01:00:05):
said about her income and struggling to live, I mean
it's just silly. And yeah, you look, I think the
big difference because I read Auckland on the weekend and
Augan's got a much different vibe about it now than
they had twelve months ago. And Tory is two linked
with the Greens. I mean, you're mayor in aucland everything
he says it's about his city. There's no Green link
to it. There's no blue link to it, there's no

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red link to it. It's just he's there just for
her city. But every time Tory talks, it's about the
Green agenda. You know, you know, I was voted in
to put in cycleways, I was voted in to get
rid of cars out of the city. When really, you know,
she stood as an independent, right so she goes to
an independent and some people knew that she was a

(01:00:47):
strong member of the Green Party. I didn't, but some
people might have known. And she's and everything she does
now she leads to the Green Party even though she
stood as an independent. And you know, I think it's
just showing the really was almost a wind by de
Folks is a two guy, so squabbing with Southern Peter
Jackson was sponsoring one of the guys and stuff like that,
and we ended up with Tory. But for me, Tory's

(01:01:10):
just dumb and naive and she doesn't know really how
to act like and be like. And I'll say, you know,
winstim Peters. I'll tell you Winter Peters, Christopher loightsn and
David Seymour.

Speaker 24 (01:01:22):
We'll be laughing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Well, thanks, they'll be very happy. Thank you so much.
We call Trevor.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
I'll tell you what a three man downstairs operation wasn't
in my Bingo car for check today.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Yeah, Bingo, it is twenty eight minutes to three.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
US talks. It'd be headlines with.

Speaker 12 (01:01:40):
Blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble with a blue bubble,
the local government minister says after internal affairs advice, the
government plans to appoint a Crown observer to Wellington Council.
Simeon Brown says they're assessed with developing a financially sustainable
long term plan, which needs revising after the council next
selling its airport shares. Mayor Torifano says she won't resign

(01:02:05):
and will continue to work at pace and work constructively
with the Observer. Wellington City Council is a meeting now
with the mayor. Police have arrested eighteen people in a
major operation targeting organized crime in the North Island, with
search as an eastern bay of plenty Auckland, Waikatur and Wellington.
A fourth helicopter is en route to a scrub fire

(01:02:26):
at Tekapool military camp covering about two hundred hectares. Prime
Minister Chris Luckson's national apology to state care abuse survivors
will be live stream from Parliament on November twelve and
followed by an address from Labour's Chris Hapkins. Complacency is
a disease that can be very dangerous. How one boss

(01:02:47):
turned a huge hotel group around See the story at
enzid Herald Premium. Back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
Thank you very much, Raylean. We're going to wrap this
one up, but just finish on this Teics Ghiddo fellows
South Islander here, but even I can tell you in
quotation marks. The lights are on, but no one's home
with Tory when he's talking on news etc. How's that
for an analogy? Very good? Not worried about the boozine
if you're functional, but Tory's non functional sober from what

(01:03:17):
I can see from Hayden. And one more, who is
the observer?

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I'll just check my notes on this. So this is
just coming through from a text. I'm not sure if
they've got any information on it, but they're saying that
the observer's my cost came good choice on nine two
nine two.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
We'll just check that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
Yes, yeah, we'll confirm that. We'll confirm that doesn't feel
quite yet.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
We'll have to get a couple of bits of confirmation
on that, but from textra on nine two nine two.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
Great chat though, and of course Heather, we'll have plenty
on this after four o'clock and godspeed Wellington. All the
best to you, but we are going to change up
over the next week. While we did float this at
the start of the show, and it is a big story,
nearly two thousand tons of Australian beef was imported into
New Zealand from July to September this year, that's the
largest volume over a three month period since twenty ten

(01:04:03):
and fourteen years. So James Miles, he's the war Worth
manager of meat. He said the spine three to four
months of a type domestic beef market. The retailer has
sold only New Zealand groan, but good on them.

Speaker 15 (01:04:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
He went on to say his domestic beef prices rose
due to tight supplies. Some retailers looked to source products
from Australia, but Miles and Woolwers said its customers have
told the supermarket chain that they prefer New Zealand beef
over imported products and you were one of those customers.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Yeah, one hundred percent patriotic, and it's it's patriotic to
buy New Zealand meat products. Obviously great for our farmers
and New Zealand primary products across sport. In fact, I'd
say buy New Zealand products whenever you can. But also
it feels right because you know it's going to be good.
You know it's going to be great if it's New
Zealand beef. And I definitely wouldn't buy pork that overseas

(01:04:55):
pork in any way, shape or flow.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
I certainly wouldn't do that either. I think for me,
price is king and I know this is going to
make me sound like a bad New Zealand and then
a supporting.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
But I live are about New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
Whenever I can, I will support the farmers. But until
I saw this story, didn't even cross my mind where
my meat comes from?

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Really genuinely.

Speaker 15 (01:05:18):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
Well, maybe I put a bit too much trust in
the supermarket that I go to. It turns out that
I was buying New Zealand beef because I only go
to Woolworths over the past couple of weeks. But generally I.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Don't look at where that meat is coming from.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
See I even because I was excited about Wagu. Yeah,
but you have to check and make sure it's Wago beef,
New Zealand Wago beef. Yeah, even though that's kind of
I don't know if Japanese farmers would be really happy
about the concept of New Zealand Wargo beef.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
But I think you want it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
You want there's something about meat that you want to know.
That's that it's been brought up in the beautiful, lush
green grass of New Zealand. You know, that's why it's
so desired around the world.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
Well, that's a good point that you made, because that
is the reason why you won't buy overseas pork, right,
is because our pork farmers here have to abide by
some pre strict animal wealthy standards for our pigs. That's
a good thing. We like kippie pigs and we want
the pigs to run around as much as possible, But
overseas they don't have to do that. And you're saying
when it comes to New Zealand cows, you well you

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drive past them, maybe not every day, not in Central Aukland.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
They're so happy, smiles on their faces, of their beautiful eyes,
with their lovely eyelashes.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
New Zealand cows very happy.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Another question for you. You go to a barbecue and
there's some massive steaks on the barbecue cooking away. Do
you go over to your mate with the hei knee
and say, hey, where are they steaks from? They Kiwi steaks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
No, but I will turn up with some cheese sizzlers
and then and put them on the barbecue and then
then but then take the steak off.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
I knew you'd be one of those guys, so I
guess that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
The question is do you shop patriotically? Do you owe
New Zealand farmers? Do you owe the country? Do you
think about where it comes from? And do you tend
to go for New Zealand produce if you can?

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
I eight one hundred and eighty T ten eighty is
the number to call a quick message. Here some independent
country butchers name the farm their cuts come from. That's
real place of origin labeling.

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Yeah, so you specifically know exactly where it comes from.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
So this is from heath farm, grass feds.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
We're good to add bigs or cows well looked after,
their happy, delicious, healthy meat, good for the economy, good
for the environment.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Everyone wins.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty do you care
where your meat comes from?

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Love to hear from you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
Nine to ninety two is the text number. It is
nineteen to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Three Matteeth Tyler Adams, with you as your afternoon rolls on.
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons us talk.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
Said, be good afternoon. Do you care what country your
meat comes from? This is on the back of nearly
two thousand tons of ossie beef was imported into New
Zealand from July to September this year. That's the largest
volume in a three month period since twenty ten. And
you always go for the New Zealand beef.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
I think you're a traitor if you buy imported meat.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
I mean, we grow it here, so buy it from here.
I mean there's things we don't grow here. You know,
it's hard to we don't. We don't grow cars here,
so you have to import them.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Yes, but we grow the best meat in the world here,
so so buy it. I mean I bought a whole
beef I fill it the other day. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
It was quite expensive, was eighty bucks, but might have
been the most delicious thing I have ever cooked up
on the barbecue. And someone I was saying before that
I go to the barbecue and put a cheeses laarn
and then take the fancy meat off. I was cedding
Texter because cheeses are made from imported porch.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Now I was kidding. I'm not.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Alan, what do you reckon?

Speaker 25 (01:08:54):
I might be in the minority, but our preference is local,
and if we can't get local, we go regional. And
if we can't go regional, then we'll go New Zealand wide.
But no important products of any kind if we can
avoid it. Vegetables, fruit, the whole dog bollocks. You know,
it's all we eat seasonally anyway, so that makes it

(01:09:18):
a whole lot easier. But the food that we import
into New Zealand is just crack.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Yes, So is that the reason why Ellen?

Speaker 14 (01:09:26):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Is that the reason why you go for it, Allen?
Not patriotism or the good of the economy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Is it the quality of the produce?

Speaker 25 (01:09:35):
Well, I think we have. I mean for some vegetables
like potatoes and potatoes, but we produce it locally, so
that gets to to every time. But some of the
fruit and produce that we produce, as well as all
of our meat and fish, is probably on a power

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not better than anything else in the world, and it's
all free range, and generally you have good organic options
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Yes, well, they might push back on a potato as
a potato and a new potato growing in my sister's
garden around Christmas time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Oh, there's nothing better in the world than a new potato.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
We're going to do a taste here, so I'm going
to get an Assie potato, a Tasmanian potato with one
out of your sister's garden, and we'll see if you
can tell. I will say, for tomato, do you tomatoes
specifically if they are imported tomatoes, won't touch them, won't
touch them because they've been frozen first as well. Who
wants a frozen tomato?

Speaker 15 (01:10:38):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
So, but do you check?

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Because you're saying, Tyler that you hate your country and
you don't check where the foods come from, We'll just
go you go straight to straight to the price.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
Thank you for bringing that up. So when I get
to the fruit and veggie isle, and I've got the
sign there and it sees New Zealand growing tomatoes nice
and easy. When I get to the meat asle, I
don't know if those labels exist. I assume they do.
They do exist, those labels. It says this is New
Zealand meat, but it's usually on the back. And to me, look,
I'm learning a lot during this discussion, but to me,

(01:11:08):
it's just met. I didn't really care or know where
it came from.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Now too, so you overseas pork.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
No, there is where I draw the line.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Why is it? Yeah, because you're saying before you, I
think it's not it's.

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
On the pork farmers that they have to abide by
a wealthy standards that I think are right, but overseas
don't have to make an important here. Uh, Jimmy, what
do you reckon?

Speaker 5 (01:11:29):
Hey?

Speaker 15 (01:11:30):
Good guys. Yeah, I do eat like you know Australian
and you know New Zealand beef as well, but the
taste there is like a taste different if you see
like New Zealand ones are like more flavorful. That's what
I feel, nicow. But my question is that why sometime

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New Zealand beef in New Zealand is expensive. But if
you go to like Australia, so I've been to Melbourne
and then the same in bullies there. They have also
New Zealand like steaks and you know, beef products there,
but those products are cheaper. So why is that why
in New Zealand. New Zealand beef is expensive. But if

(01:12:13):
you got overseas in Melbourne and takes ages to you know,
like you got to take ship man all that stuff
as a why cheaper than New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
Welcome to the convoluted world supply, Jimmy, is that's the
age old question and we've long asked that in New Zealand.
And it's not just meat, right, it's dairy products that
you know, quite often we pay more for a block
of anchor butter and then we see it in Cole's
in the UK for two bucks. But you know that
it starts getting pretty convoluted. And that's why we've got

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this grocery commissioner hopefully to try and figure it all out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
But I get what I get what you mean.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
And when we look at New Zealand beef, we pay
a premium for it. And I would take that because
that is the cost they'll get for it if they
export it. So you've got to be fair to the farmers.
If they're gonna get eighty eight bucks a kilo for
a nice piece of ribbi is Matt paid for? You know,
for that price if they export it, then do you
pay that right? No, Jimmy's thinking on that one. Jimmy,

(01:13:13):
that's probably a big no. He see, No, he wasn't
happy with that price. Have we got time for Simon? No,
it we'll come back to Simon. It is eleven minutes
to three.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Can I just ask you a question here?

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
I found a I found a supermarket receipt from exactly
twenty years ago today? Yep, how much do you think
you paid for six barn eggs twenty years ago?

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
Today?

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
Barney eggs? Is that free range?

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Doesn't say well, Barne eggs, so they're not free range,
they're barn. One of those shimmys around what's free range
and what's not. It's a Barne egg okay.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
So the last time I bought Barne eggs recently, they
were about six bucks. Okay, so a buck a Bucan eggs?
So I reckon? What was it fourteen years ago, twenty
four years.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Ago, twenty years ago, twenty years ago?

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
Two dollars fifty?

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Okay, well we'll see, I'll tell anything, all right, okay mate?

Speaker 22 (01:14:00):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
Then it is eleven minutes to three.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoons you
for twenty twenty four News Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
Said, News Talks. There be good afternoon to you. Simon.
How are you?

Speaker 24 (01:14:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Well, mate, yourself very good?

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
So, oh you're a good man to chat to. You're
in this game?

Speaker 23 (01:14:25):
No I have.

Speaker 22 (01:14:26):
I've been well. My brothers and I grew up on
a farm in kits and then when Dad told the
farm all and how we got into the meat game
instead about twenty four years ago. So yeah, we've been
well and we've been well, and Scott's in the meat
world for almost a quarter of a century.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Are you are you one of the good people from
neat Meat? Yes, tell me tell me more about nat Meat.

Speaker 4 (01:14:48):
So this is the first time I've heard about neat Meats.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
You'd be in ericson then, would you.

Speaker 22 (01:14:53):
Yeah, that's the firstborn.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Oh, welcome to the show, Simon. How are you? Did
you sell mat that rebind neat Meat?

Speaker 22 (01:15:02):
I would have given him a.

Speaker 14 (01:15:06):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Neat Meat did send me a pack a care package
during during lockdown though, and fantastic product.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Fantastic product you guys sell.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
Oh yeah, what was in the what's what? What sort
of you know meat do you put in these packs?
Mixture varies? Yeah, I can't remember. There were some sausages
in there, there was some steak in there was Buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Good anyway, chat, I'm sorry there was I think there
was an eye filler in there. Actually.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
Yeah. So when it comes to New Zealand meat, I mean,
do you think Kiwi's Buy and Large preferred to have
New Zealand meat versus the exported stuff.

Speaker 22 (01:15:40):
Oh yeah, for sure. I think would love to have
everything until the price isn't right and i'd love to
think kwis you know alloyl to their farmers as we are.
The reality is, you know, in the last probably three
or four months, you have seen you've seen a real
shortage in New Zealand meat, which is probably what's led

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to a bit of the beef coming over in the
In the main reason there as there was such a
grass curve so and winter that we have a fraction
of what we buy in summer, and so that's probably
what what what draws let ossy beef over here. And
it is a bit of a mixed bag, that's I mean,

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I see it all the time. And the problem with
that is that you don't know what you're really going
to get until you open the box. Yeah, quality is
an issue.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Well, I mean, you can't hassle someone for buying beef
if the news over imported beef, if the New Zealand
beef isn't available. But I guess what I'm saying is
if you if you have a choice and you're.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
About to buy meat, then I would encourage people.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
For moral reasons, for quality reasons, and for patriotism reasons. Really,
I would say check that it is New Zealand beef,
particularly actually pork. I mean anyone that's buying overseas pork.
I mean that's disgusting.

Speaker 18 (01:16:57):
Yeah, it doesn't either.

Speaker 22 (01:16:58):
I mean, how many part we've got it's the same thing.
I mean, it's all it's all locally producing and head
on hat the Zealand beef pork and land yeah better
than the He's about eighty five percent of the beat
is actually great grain finished and they typically have to
do that because you know, they need to sort of,
you know, harmonize the quality. I suppose you know New Zealand,

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New Zealand, you've also got to know. I mean ideally
you'd like to know where you comes from and in
certain seasons because it's a bit like wine. Really, I
mean you've got I mean, where's the business would sell
probably ten different types of silan, which sounds like overkill,
but I can't hint a bottle store aren't and any
having one option to shady or penan wh or something
like that. It just doesn't happen. So you know, I'd

(01:17:40):
love to see a lot more of his education done
in New Zealand. On meat, I have a real.

Speaker 18 (01:17:44):
Passion for it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Yeah, we'll meet meat. You know, you know the name
of the cow it came from, don't you?

Speaker 9 (01:17:51):
Or the number, not all of the number.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Yeah, it makes it easier. Yeh's Warren.

Speaker 18 (01:17:55):
I don't like get it.

Speaker 22 (01:17:57):
I don't like getting to attached to the bather.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
Don't get to know the cows. Yeah, yeah, that ends
badly so just in terms of the cost per cattle
for you because it's grass feed, right, you look after
your kettle. That's why you get the quality meat. That
must be an expensive process.

Speaker 22 (01:18:13):
Yeah yeah, I mean you get you get farmers that
just do you know some farmers just uh you know,
their farms lend to finishing beef.

Speaker 6 (01:18:21):
Well.

Speaker 22 (01:18:21):
I mean, the average cattle is about two years old
and in that time it can go. It potentially goes
to a bit of hardship and some farms are better
off not finishing in some sort of trade into market.
So you know, again it's two years old. Lot can happen,
and I think breed has a bit to do with that.
We got the sickle beef bred out there now, brand
out there there, and it's phenomenal. It's actually a dairy

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crossed animals, which is it sounds funny, but we've done
our research on that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
And on your side with stuff with rolemos is coming up.
But Neat Meat is the name of the company and
we're going to carry this on after three.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Is it your patriotic duty to buy a new Zealand meat?

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk, it's many
and Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 5 (01:19:10):
On news Talk Sevy.

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
Welcome back to the show. Now just before we carry
on the discussion about Australian meat.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Yeah, well, so I left you hanging because I've got
a pack and save seat from Timaru on the twenty
second of October two thousand and four, three twenty eight
in the afternoon, So this is pretty much exactly twenty
years ago. And I asked how much would you pay
for a six pack of barne eggs back twenty years ago?

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
And I said two dollars fifty and you were far off.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
It was actually three dollars nine. Who bananas? How much
would you pay for a cagy of bananas? Twenty years ago?

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
And Timuru pack and Save at three point thirty?

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
Where are the bananas from are they they they're not
New Zealand bananas?

Speaker 26 (01:19:53):
Are they?

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
No, they're not New Zealand bananas. I don't know the
exact location of They could be Ecuador.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Lot of bananas in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
I'll give you for Aquilo bananas, I'll give you three bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Wow, it was a die ninety five years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Alo, there you go, and a bag of New Zealand
bag tomatoes was three ninety nine back twenty years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
So Nadine was the operator in lane five.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
Get good on you, Nadine from Timmadoo.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
So nearly two thousand tons of Australian beef was imported
into New Zealand from July to September this year, the
largest volume over a three month period since twenty ten.
This was partly due to the low availability of killable
prime cattle through early winter and up to Middlewest, which
drove up prices, causing some retailers to look across the

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Tasman for lower priced beef. I say, you need to check.
But the beef that you're buying in New Zealand and
meat in general and produce across the board is New Zealand.
And I say it's morally better to buy in New
Zealand products because the way we treat them and the
way we grow them. I mean, if you care about climate,
we're the most environmentally friendly farmers in the entire world.

(01:21:04):
It's good for our economy. Buying New Zealand may and
it's the best produce in the entire world. So do you, tyler,
do you check where the food you're buying is from?

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
Before we started this conversation, no, will? I now look
at the labels on.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
On, You're a bad person. Continue.

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
So I went for price and and I really didn't
know my meat that well because I said I go
for sir loin, and apparently sirloin is not a premium
cut of meats. But now I would, now genuinely I would,
because I think I actually agree with you that we've
got to look after our Kiwi farmers. And that's what
beef and lamb the organization has been pushing for How
long that buy New Zealand meat and lamb. It is

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good for the country. Sarah, how are you?

Speaker 8 (01:21:52):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
Hi?

Speaker 14 (01:21:53):
Good thing?

Speaker 15 (01:21:54):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
Now you're a beef farmer from Hawks Bay.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Before we go, before we go into the chat, what's
the best cut.

Speaker 8 (01:22:03):
Look, you know, any clutch will work with the right
recipe and the pre pression.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
What about just fried up on the barbecue, just just
just a straight state situation. Yeah, I feel it, Yeah,
I feel it. Cool, I feel it.

Speaker 14 (01:22:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
And what sort of sauce do you put on it?
But a mushroom sauce or no, just virgin meat?

Speaker 8 (01:22:23):
I think, no, just keep keep it simple, yeah, ye,
really simple.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Smear a bit of oil on its salted are about
fifty degrees on the on the on the temperature gauge boom.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
Fifteen degrees. It's kind of take you seventeen hours. It's
too of meat.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Nah, that on I fill it along the barbecue. You're
only talking about twenty minutes the tailant.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
All right, All right now, Sarah, talk to us about
the realities of raising beef. I mean, clearly, I've got
a wee notes here that you get bugger all per
kilo of meat for that you.

Speaker 8 (01:22:55):
Sell, right, So it's definitely it's a supplanned demand situation.
And the schedule changes at different times of the year,
you know. So we've got two year old bull beef
going into the work next week, and we're looking at
about seven dollars a kilos.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
That does not seem like a lot to me.

Speaker 6 (01:23:18):
No, And when you think that.

Speaker 8 (01:23:20):
That animal live weight could be six hundred kilos on
the hook, it's generally a fifty percent yield far out.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
And so can you talk to us about the supply
situation or the supply chain much without wrecking your relationships,
because I'm just trying to figure out who gets the
most of the money. By the time it gets to
the supermarket shelve or to the butcher, where is all
that cash going? You know, by the time Matt pays
eighty eight bucks a kilo, that's a big fortilo.

Speaker 8 (01:23:55):
Yeah, the supermarkets are taking a big chunk of that.
But you know, we're really happy with our suppliers and
our silverfend funds. We've got a brilliant agent, and you know,
it costs money to be in business. So I don't
you know out of that that the christ per head
we paid, levees, we pay inspecting fees, so you can't

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you see the meat works are taking all the money.
But yeah, everybody clips the ticket along the way least.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
So Sarah, if I served up the same cut of
beef from Australia and the same cut of beef that
you're producing there in Hawk's Bay.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
Would you be able to tell the difference.

Speaker 6 (01:24:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:24:39):
I'd been how good you are cooking it, but exactly
the same. I'm pretty opposed to us importing beef from Australia. Yeah,
it's a very sad situation. And we've just recently traveled
to England and they've got such an amazing campaign to

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support their British farmers. In fact, it's very hard to
find New Zealand lamb over there. But yeah, no we can't.
We've you know, we've got all these high welfare standards.
You know it's our farmers putting all the money back
into the economy. You know, we pay the taxes from
that got to support New Zealand farmers.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
Do you do you when?

Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
Maybe not?

Speaker 26 (01:25:25):
Do you need?

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
But would you want more support from our government if
you could waive a magic wand what would you want
to happen to try and get a bit more support
for you as a beef farmer?

Speaker 8 (01:25:37):
God, I don't know, there's there's so many things you want.
Definitely this is a better government for us after the
last one for six years. We just have to we
just have to see how plays out. But I think
we need to look at the tax brackets.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
M m yeah, what about a marketing campaign from the
government which basically goes New Zealand beef it's morally better,
it's better for the economy, and it's the best in
the world. If you buy Australian meat, you're a bad.

Speaker 15 (01:26:10):
Sarah.

Speaker 8 (01:26:10):
But it's not just Australian meat that's coming into New Zealander.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
The I mean you look at that's specifically what we're
talking about the moment pork. Don't get me started on
buying overseas pork. I mean that is that is a
horror that overseas pork is a horror show.

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 8 (01:26:27):
And it's just squeezed all our pork farmers.

Speaker 6 (01:26:30):
It's a shocker.

Speaker 8 (01:26:31):
But yeah, morally i'd love you know kie we made
campaign yeah remember that from the eighties.

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
Yeah, Well, isn't that what Beef and LAMB the organization
have been doing after And I think they do a
pretty good job. You know, they've got good ambassadors. But
I thought that's what they've been pushing for for the
last twenty years, is that you need to buy New
Zealand meat.

Speaker 15 (01:26:52):
Wow. It's not.

Speaker 8 (01:26:54):
I don't know what's advertising prices these days. Maybe that's
the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Yeah, well, well they were good ads.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
See the bloody water Carrington and amor t ones and
the dark and then you have you had the they
had the information owl's that's right, and then they danced
after the little bit at the end, white T shirts.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
That was good stuff. Bike rider Sarah Omer Sarah, Yeah, yeah,
she was in there, wasn't she.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
Yeah, yep, bring it back. We're gonna put you in
touch with New Zealand Beef and Lamb because that's a
free beef for them. I reckon, Sarah, You're going to
be a great asset to that organization. Just to each
of your last question I got for you is that
part of this article, Willworth said that they only buy
New Zealand beef, so without you know, naming and shaming here.
The other major supermarket chain is food Stuff's aka New World.

(01:27:44):
Surely the if New Will comes to the party then
that solves a lot of problems.

Speaker 8 (01:27:50):
Yeah, because it'll block that market for Australia.

Speaker 26 (01:27:52):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
Yeah, Sarah. Very nice to chat with you. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call
when you are buying meat at the supermarket or your butcher.
I suppose it's less of an issue at the butcher,
but when you're buying your meat, do you always try
to go for Kiwi Born and Brett oh eight one
hundred and eighty ten eight years. Number to call it
is sixteen past three News Talks. He'd be very good

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afternoon to you. Eighteen past three.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
We were just trying to remember New Zealand Beef and
lamb ambassadors.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
To be fair, they've had a lot of very high
profile New Zealand dis ambassadors.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Sarah Olmer, the cyclist, she was not the b mix
of that. Sarah Walker.

Speaker 4 (01:28:27):
Yep, both of another inbssadors.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
Yeah, Stacy Warker is currently one.

Speaker 5 (01:28:30):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
Well are some other ones we had the Evis windows
that we mentioned, Oh yep, yep, both the Sophie Pesco yep,
she was in there. Lisa Carrington.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
Are those that'd still going? What if Dame Lisa Carrington
tells me to do old?

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
I will buy huge fan mark.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
How are you?

Speaker 14 (01:28:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 27 (01:28:48):
Good evening guys, How are you no?

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
Very well? Very good afternoon to you. And you're great
to chat to because you're a butcher.

Speaker 27 (01:28:56):
Yeah, I'm butchered by trade. I've also worked in the
export industry over thirty years now, so I've seen it
all and I know where it all comes from, and
I can sort of understand why there's a shortage. And
I can also understand deeply why a lot of farmers,
especially sheep farmers out there getting out of the business
and now of the game because for a long time
they've been screwed over and pushed around. And yeah, so

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you're talking about the Australian beef. I was a bit
shocked myself, but I saw it coming due to the
simple factors with the.

Speaker 14 (01:29:27):
Weather with head and the.

Speaker 27 (01:29:30):
Lack of prime stock available for the beat companies to
kill with. Basically, I'm still working in the retail trade now,
and there was probably a good couple of weeks there
where there was two primal cuts like Ribbi and Waterhouse
and Philip we just couldn't get. Now, we didn't get
Australian beef in. It just meant that we just had
to run with what they had and become a bit

(01:29:51):
more innovative with other products. But I have seen back
and saves with Australian beef and what grinds my bones
that they're charged in the same price as newsy On
beef and that's just not right. You can always tell
the difference with New Zealand beef and Australian beef. It

(01:30:13):
depends what part of Australia it comes through. If you've
got grain feed beef, it's quite pale and it can
be quite heavily and fat. And if you go to
the southern parts of Australia like Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide,
especially Tasmania, they've got a lot of their weather and
climates very much like New Zealand. I did a bit
of butchering over in Australia and up in Ken's and

(01:30:34):
a lot of our beef and lamb actually come from
Tasmania and the law of part of Australia because it
was grass fed and it was actually pretty top quality stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Yeah, Mark, do you find as a meat retailer that
kiwis ask and care that it comes from New Zealand
and it's not important to me?

Speaker 27 (01:30:53):
Oh, of course they do, like you know, customers, especially
like we've accepted the fat. Most of their fruit and
everything comes from overseas and a lot of the other products.
But when it comes to meat, it's a very personal
thing because you're shopping for quality. The pork industry was
ruined and probably a good thirty plus years ago when
the government opened the floodgates to allow imported pork in.

Speaker 21 (01:31:14):
And my father was a good.

Speaker 27 (01:31:16):
Pork farmer Indoneding along with his neighbor who was three
times as bigger, and there was.

Speaker 21 (01:31:21):
Another two large.

Speaker 27 (01:31:22):
There was four large basically big farms Indonedan that supplied
the local avatar, which that avatar then supplied one hundred
and eighty something brought to shops around the Otago and
Lower Southern region. So that's a lot of pigs that
were New Zealand pork. So basically when they opened the
floodgates allowed the overseas pork and then it killed the

(01:31:44):
pork farmers because it was cheaper. Now, the reason why
we get so much in is because the demand for
pork products, especially small goods and your bacons and all
that further processing outstrips the supply now for fresh pork
and pork cork to actually plan, they got their big

(01:32:06):
owned farms for them to plan the specials. It takes
month in advance just for for those to raise the
packs for certain South Island and North Island fresh. You know,
your food stuff which is your smaller New World, and
your packing staves, and your progressive which is your countdowns,
you know, to actually get the stock and volume and numbers.

(01:32:26):
There's days where we're put in orders for our whole
packs for the whole week and we might be cut
short because they've got to supply you know, other demands
all their overseas market. You know, we do export port,
not a lot, not no one amount of the volume
that we get in. And other that annoys me too
is that the public have got the perception that all

(01:32:47):
the supermarkets and your butcher's buying low grade meat. Now
that's not true. I work for a large export company
as production for the supervisor, and quite often we would
be filling local market orders that would be basically for
all the food stuff. And when you're progressive and it
was the same export quality, lamb is what would be
going in the same bags, samee cartons.

Speaker 4 (01:33:10):
Well thanks for that those insights, Mark, Yeah, good to
chat quick text here. Then we're going to get to
some more messages. Hi, guys. I worked on a farm
a few years ago with cows on it. And asked
the farmer if supplement feed was good and he said,
pasture is king. That is New Zealand. B from Mike.
Keep those coming through. On nineteen ninety two. It is

(01:33:32):
twenty four past three.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
and eighty eighty on News Talks, HEADB.

Speaker 4 (01:33:46):
Talks, head be right together, pullet together, All right talking
met Pete. What's your take on the meat situation?

Speaker 21 (01:33:55):
Yeah, here you go.

Speaker 24 (01:33:56):
Yeah, I reckon that, you know, it is expensive all
I'm born to be on a farm myself and a
dairy farm. They all try to support each other and
that sort of thing.

Speaker 27 (01:34:06):
I want to buy a New.

Speaker 24 (01:34:07):
Zealand project something as well. But when you're buying a
Leader Lamb or something in London or whatever, and a
steer over there than here in New Zealand, there's something wrong.
You know, doesn't go on a container, haven't got all
that costs. But I reckon what should happen is really
is that maybe the farmers, like Sarah said, you know,

(01:34:27):
maybe the farmers should get behind so cut out the supermarkets.

Speaker 9 (01:34:31):
We all know that.

Speaker 24 (01:34:32):
But the supermarkets they cut down their suppliers and we
all know supermarkets be theory. Well, we all know that,
so maybe the farmers should get behind set up in
Abertoia or whatever all freezing works that they supply their
meat to. This meat is solely it's not getting exported,
solely going to old u healand market, so he doesn't

(01:34:53):
go to a supermarket. Set up some butcher shops in
towns in the cities, so it's not going to that
supermarket chaink cut them out. We all know that they
put a hell of a market up.

Speaker 16 (01:35:02):
We all know that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
So you're talking almost like a Fonterra type set up
that you've got a farmer collective with beef farmers who
try and set up their own operation and then hopefully
can make a better money from it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
I mean, they're doing everything they can. They're taking the
best option. But yeah, I mean so many people tried
to cut supermarkets out of the situation. But I guess
what people can do is go to butchers, and maybe
they can if it's something that you care about, you
can go to people that source their meat in a
different way. But most people are still going to buy
their meat from the supermarkets just the way it is.

Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
Pete you're a good man. Thank you very much for
calling through. We'll chet again soon. Now before we get
to the headlines. You've got a bit of effectoid for us,
do you.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
Oh no, Well, I just wanted to I just want
to ask you a question, Tyler. I sometimes have me
with it. Okay, what is the most eaten type of
meat in the world?

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
Well, that's easy, is it?

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
I reckon it is?

Speaker 4 (01:35:59):
Join my answer. Now I'll have a guess check it.
Check them by a long shot.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
Okay, okay, Well I'll tell you in a bit most
eaten meat in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
If you reckon you No. Nine two text it through
the city that thinks it's tricker. It's twenty eight pasts.

Speaker 12 (01:36:13):
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(01:36:37):
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Saving are searching for an eighty three year old Northern

(01:36:59):
man who swims in Farga day harbored daily, but hasn't
been seen since Saturday. The Green Party says it's excited
to welcome you MP Benjamin door Oil, who's stepping into
parliament now. The Speaker has olstered Darlene Taner. Associate Education
Minister David Seymour says the butter chicken being offered and
the new school lunch program is great, even by his

(01:37:20):
own picky standards. Four public sector agencies report increase in
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Find out more at endzt Herald Premium Back to matt
Ethan Tyler Adams, thank.

Speaker 4 (01:37:34):
You very much, Raylean. I hope that butter chicken is
New Zealand chicken.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Just before the news headlines, I asked the question, what's
the most consumed type of meat in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
Tyler said, chicken, and I would say probably eighty percent
of the texts have come through and they're flooded through.
Most people are saying.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Goat, goat, yeah, wow, goat dirt. The old goat comes
in fifth, okay, way down the list.

Speaker 18 (01:37:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Then it's lamb yeah, and then beef at twenty five percent.
Then check in at number two. Humans eat fifty billion
chickens a year. That's about six point twenty five chickens
per human. We really it's a poultry side.

Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
Isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
There's a lot of chops, but the number one most
consumed meat in the world is pork at thirty six percent.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
There you go, yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
A lot of texts have come through for you, Matt,
actually about your barbecue game. They're not they're not that
impressed with your barbecue game. Well, the the I Phillip wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Yeah, the eye Phillip, Yeah, the eye Philip that I
cook on the barbecue takes about twenty five minutes, internal
temperature about fifty to fifty five Senegrade, what's problem with that?

Speaker 4 (01:38:41):
Tennis? What do you reckon?

Speaker 10 (01:38:43):
Can you can you, I can you wash? Can you
do anything practical? Geta from the barbecue?

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
What's wrong with my eye?

Speaker 15 (01:38:52):
Mate?

Speaker 10 (01:38:52):
Last a couple of weeks ago, you were taken on
the order you can eat buffet like a bush. Peak
is a personal challenge. Now now you're taking a piece
of meat that the good veterinarian should have back in
the panic in fifteen minutes. When you're telling me it
takes longer than that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
The cork it you're great, Dennis, Well, hang on what
I'm talking about? A full one and a half kg?

Speaker 10 (01:39:14):
No good on the barbecue, mate. Barbecue meat's got to
have a bit of fat in it, and I love it.
I'm an each shif. I love iceil. It's beautiful steak,
it's got it's got no real flavor in it because
it's got no fat. It's too lean. Scotch philets you
know that your money shot on the on the barbecue entirely.
You see the line is nice too, But Scotch Philip,
that's the one you want.

Speaker 14 (01:39:31):
You've got to have a.

Speaker 10 (01:39:32):
Little bit of fat in your meat on your barbecue,
and you're going to wringer it out when you cook
it properly and you're not. I'm not saying you should
eat it, don't eat it, but you need it to
get some flavor.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
So you're saying, Dennis, is that my my fats going
through the the the grill and the barbecue and going
on to the fire and be wasting.

Speaker 10 (01:39:50):
No, you haven't got any fat in the filip mate's a.

Speaker 5 (01:39:52):
Little bit well.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
Eight kilo. It was a little bit down.

Speaker 10 (01:39:58):
If you if you, if you're paying eighty bucks of
kilo for it too, I've got a bridge I'd like
to talk to you about after this phone.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
Call, to be fair, To be fair, it was fifty
bucks of kilo because it was it was eighty eight
bars top.

Speaker 10 (01:40:09):
Money for it should be about fifty nine dollars sixty
dollars ki. But look, I drive around the country a lot,
and being in each chef, I look at stocking. The
problem with got guys is no stock in the paddicks. Yeah,
and there hasn't been stocking. It's been dwindling over the
last four or five years. We need to address there,
and we need to make it worthwhile the farmers putting

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cows and sheep and pigs and the reds because we've
sort of seed it more your dirty farmers. You're going
to grow that and you want us to buy it
and eat it all.

Speaker 14 (01:40:39):
Yeah, we need to do that much.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
I mean, people are going to eat the meat. And
it's much better if it's produced here in overseas. It's better,
as I said before, morally, it's better for our economy
and it's better flavor. But Dennis, what about my what
do you say about my fifty to fifty five degree
internal temperature of my I filip?

Speaker 3 (01:40:59):
Have I got that right?

Speaker 10 (01:41:00):
Yeah? That's that's Yeah, that's not too bad.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
It's it's sort of medium with kids. They won it.
Ever it goes to bloody the kids break out.

Speaker 10 (01:41:09):
That's that's the thing. I think there's been a train
wreck or something.

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
This is good, Jennis. So the steak on the barbecue
needs a bit of marbling and they're a bit of
fat in there to get you know, that flavor. What
about the old charcoal barbecue? The charcoal barbecue? But I
fill it on a charcoal bill, right.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Won't it.

Speaker 10 (01:41:28):
Yeah, I've got a real preference for charcoal. I prefer it.
But let's be honest, it's not always convenient. I mean
I've got I get in real trouble with the wife
because I'm sitting on the deck at the moment, I've
got two wks four barbecues a smoker.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
Tell me about I love charcole meat, but the last
time and he's a good made of mine, love him,
love him dearly. But he's really just recently got into
his charcoal of meat. And we were sitting there at
ten o'clock at night and saying, mate, where's the so
I'm hungry, I need some meat, and said it needs
another twenty minutes. It just takes too long.

Speaker 5 (01:41:59):
Yeah, uber, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:42:01):
Right, Denni's good to chat mate, Bob.

Speaker 20 (01:42:04):
How are you?

Speaker 28 (01:42:05):
Yeah, I'm good yep.

Speaker 4 (01:42:07):
And oh you want to talk about Aussie potatoes?

Speaker 28 (01:42:10):
Well, and then I'll go onto the pork too.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
Yere on the here now, yep, you're on cool?

Speaker 28 (01:42:17):
Yeah I was then I'm an old fellows that on
my own lost my wife. But anyway, I'm looking I
like my chips. Anyway, I was looking for the I
used to buy Cannabarry chips. I think what is didn't
you know they were Canterbury chips? Anyway, looking through the
supermarket today there were none of them. But I found
this proudly made in pardly made from Tezi potatoes, right, gross.

Speaker 15 (01:42:40):
I didn't buy them.

Speaker 28 (01:42:41):
I found some made in Mada Matter no or something
like Mata matter anyway, so I bought them.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
We don't need to be importing potatoes potatoes, but they
obviously are.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
Yeah. Well that's the thing that's kind of what we're saying.
You should check. You should check where with with where food.

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
Is coming from and where you can get it from
New Zealand, especially potatoa.

Speaker 28 (01:43:06):
Since I rang you, I went chickcause I'm, as I said,
guy on my own and I love my pork. And
as a motor home I travel the country and we
used to go to way Matty and there was a
pork farm down there and it was called Happy Pigs.
I think they subsequently moved down to Dunedin, but I
used to go there and buy their pork. And down

(01:43:26):
the motorhome associated had a park just south or near Roliston,
and as we used to go into the going towards
the South Island and going towards the west coast through
Arthur's Pass, there was this big pig farm and my
wife was bloody and freeze with it because all the
pigs had their little hutches which they were raising the
you know, the sour with their little young piglets running around,

(01:43:48):
and she said, that's the sort of way that we
should have our pigs disappearing now. And I just went
into my fridge and unfortunately I can't buy a large
amount of pork because it will go up before I
can eat it, So I buy the little pre packed things.
You know, Manuca smoke to what of his where it's
I'm from? And you name it. There's not a country

(01:44:10):
in Europe that it is. It's from Canada, says the Brooks.
From Canada, Australia, England, France, Germany, Belgium.

Speaker 4 (01:44:18):
It's been a busy pig, Is it that that piece
of pork?

Speaker 18 (01:44:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
I mean that is right though, isn't it. That's the
confusing part is a lot of the origin labels. They
just say every country under the sun almost and say, well,
where is it from?

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
And we're supposed to be boycotting Canada at the moments.
We're currently in a trade war with them.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
So I don't spark that up even more, mate. You
know it's true Canada eighty it is twenty one to four.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
Have a chat with the Boys on eight hundred and
eighty Taylor Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty four You's
talk said, be.

Speaker 4 (01:44:49):
Good afternoon to you. It is eighteen to fom we're
talking about New Zealand beef versus Ossie beef. This is
on the back of almost or over two thousand tons
of Ozsie beef being imported into the country between July
and September. That's the most beef coming in from offshore
since twenty ten. And Matt, you're pretty hot on this
that we need to be buying New Zealand made products

(01:45:11):
across the board, but specifically beef, lamb, chicken, pork.

Speaker 14 (01:45:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
I just check.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
I always check and make sure it is especially pork jeez.
But yeah, I mean I don't think I wouldn't buy beef.
I definitely wouldn't like not you like you you are
all about the Assi potatoes. I definitely wouldn't buy I
think all produce. If you can, then you buy a
New Zealand made produce because I mean that's what we
do in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
I mean our primary sector is the is the It's
the wonder of the world.

Speaker 4 (01:45:43):
Yeah, but I made the distinction I'll take a Kiwi
spart over an Ossie spart any day of the week.
I'm a South Island man. We do good potatoes down
on the South Island and on the North Island for
that matter. But what I did say is if I
presented you with an Assie potato, let's say, a Tasmanian
potato and a New Zealand potato, I don't reckon.

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
A potato a new potato that's just been pulled out
of my sister's garden at Christmas time in Dunedin.

Speaker 4 (01:46:08):
Yep, yep, with into the mix.

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
Well, then I could definitely taste. We're going to do
some dudio Tasmanian old butler of a potato that's come
over here on a boat.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
Mate.

Speaker 14 (01:46:22):
Here, you guys. Three things. The first thing was that
old three minutes ago talking about his wife being those
things in the captures outside and everything's looking happy in
the world. That's the most overstaffed farm in New Zealand.
That's christ your prisons it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:40):
Oh well, that's that's that's positive. Something to do.

Speaker 14 (01:46:45):
Next week, I said, waited, there's a spuds. One of
the biggest blud growers in Australia is actually in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
Company, who was that was?

Speaker 13 (01:46:54):
That?

Speaker 12 (01:46:54):
Is that?

Speaker 4 (01:46:55):
It's not the billionaire down in South Canterbury. He's a
potato farmer. There was a piece done about him recently.

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
Yeah that guy. Yeah, he's a billionaire.

Speaker 4 (01:47:03):
Have you about this guy?

Speaker 15 (01:47:04):
No, I have not.

Speaker 4 (01:47:05):
And when I say billionaire, that's his property. You know,
he owns a lot of land down in South Canterbury.
But tried and true potato farmer keep kept digging up
the potatoes himself. Obviously he's got a big team, but
he was still there on the tractor in the age
of what eighty nine legend and it just.

Speaker 14 (01:47:18):
Passed about three months ago, four months ago.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
Well that makes it kind of complicated. So if so,
the potatoes have been growing over in Australia, but their
profits in New Zealand, I mean, I think I feel
better about that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
They just importing an Australian potato.

Speaker 14 (01:47:33):
And where his family for about forty years and we've
never made any money out of upon red meat. Well
of you guys were talking earlier on about maybe we
should be looking down in the cooperative way, you know,
like Fontira.

Speaker 5 (01:47:47):
Yeah, that.

Speaker 14 (01:47:50):
Was to ask the people in tim Roos who have
six under them, just lost their jobs. Yeah, one of
the biggest co opperatives of New Zealand which was allowed.

Speaker 6 (01:47:57):
To meet company.

Speaker 4 (01:47:58):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 14 (01:48:01):
But we've always been at the In the sixteen the
early Simblies isided really well the UK, the u K
joined the eu C and they became EU and we
lost we lost their chances. Then well since then we've
been price takers, not price letters. So as far as

(01:48:22):
we just take what you know, the meat supplies, you know,
the sort of arms of the alliance, and all these
people take because what else can you do? You know,
they look nobody else's and and and I agree with
the guys. Buzzy pork ouzzy beef is bloody awful unless

(01:48:42):
you get some of the stuff that comes out of Uhia,
which is not bad but.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Is just crapped some of the best.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
There are some quite good beef being made in Australia,
but it's been made by a guy born born in
New Zealand. Russell Crowe is very actually Russell Crows has
grind some very very high quality beef at the moment,
so he's taken some using the expertise over there.

Speaker 14 (01:49:08):
Got a few wags do with your Japanese breed. The
other thing I was going to say is that my
complaint with my wife last night. We don't have pigs anymore. So,
as you know, said the pork, it was the most
horrible league of pork I've ever seen, I think it was,
and it just had no cast in it whatsoever. Yeah,

(01:49:31):
but you know the chi was talking about this poor
pick farms around an Eden and a reasonably big way,
but they just couldn't compete a lot of Danish pork,
a lot of Canadian pork.

Speaker 4 (01:49:44):
Yeah, it's tough at Christmas time, isn't it. Well, because
a lot of people want to go for the Kiwi Hams, right,
the Kiwi born and bred pork Hams. But they are
pretty tough to get. I mean you would always go
with you'd go to your local butcher and say I
want I want to be on the list for the
New Zealand hands for Christmas time.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
Well, what i'd say is Tylers, I'd say I'd want
a mutton Ham, please, a mutton Ham, A mutton hand.

Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
From down south. We'll know what I'm talking about. A
mutton Ham is a great option. Good more, Actually, hold
that thought. I wanted to hear more about this much,
the arising of people that support me.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
When when I say a mutton ham is a good time, Kevin,
do you know what he's talking about?

Speaker 17 (01:50:25):
Uh?

Speaker 21 (01:50:27):
Come from the North Island.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
You never heard of a mutton hair.

Speaker 21 (01:50:31):
I live in the Southland and I grew up with
mutton on my father's family the North Island, so they're
not muttoners.

Speaker 17 (01:50:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
Yeah, well a mutton ham is a good time. I'm
right now hand for Christmas. Yeah, good man. Now you
do you aunt and pie?

Speaker 4 (01:50:47):
Mutton pie?

Speaker 3 (01:50:48):
Love a mutton pie.

Speaker 4 (01:50:48):
Do you run a butcher's shop yourself or you always
go to butcher's rather than supermarkets myself? Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:50:56):
No, no, where where's the home call?

Speaker 10 (01:50:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:51:00):
We we had a home call for about thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:51:02):
Years and you just supplied yourself, was it? Or family
and friends?

Speaker 21 (01:51:10):
Family, you know the my brother and sister of laws
and stuff, and we all we all going for each other.
We all had a home KOLs going.

Speaker 4 (01:51:17):
Yes, yeah, interesting and well so obviously you you're right
behind just eating kiwied beef because your head it yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
Very locally sourced if you.

Speaker 21 (01:51:26):
Kill it at home, oh definitely, yes, yes, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:51:29):
Interesting and you don't do it anymore, Keiven, you don't
do it anymore.

Speaker 21 (01:51:36):
No, no, no, I'm looking at them. I'm loving a
Wakefield yet on a roofto and Whitfield.

Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
It's a good place, Wakefield. I love Wakefield. I'm a Nelsonian, Sharon.
How are you?

Speaker 29 (01:51:46):
Oh, good afternoon. I'm talking about the important things in life. Potatoes.
They must have been important, those Australian ones recent, well
for wee while now, because for forty five years I've
had the occasional you know, we like French fries or
chips to we made homemade ones. And the potatoes, even

(01:52:06):
the angrier ones, they're just discussed thing.

Speaker 26 (01:52:08):
I said.

Speaker 29 (01:52:09):
They make the chips all limped and I'm crusty awful.

Speaker 26 (01:52:14):
Don't know what they're doing for them.

Speaker 29 (01:52:15):
Yeah, oh yeah, I've tried every way. I've tried buying
them blues from the you know, fruit and vegetable shops.
I've tried, you know, buying ones that are saying there's.

Speaker 21 (01:52:23):
Four chips, and no they're not. There's very really anything
that's worth while.

Speaker 29 (01:52:28):
I don't know what they do to them.

Speaker 21 (01:52:29):
Maybe they picked the earth.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
Maybe if it's a bad laugh, because I had I
had a fantastic tailor last night.

Speaker 4 (01:52:35):
I tell you, keep digging on this one chair, and
I think you've uncovered something here.

Speaker 3 (01:52:39):
Keeping keep digging on those potatoes, keep digging for those and.

Speaker 29 (01:52:43):
The mushin ham is a leg of mushroom cured like
a ham.

Speaker 27 (01:52:46):
If you know what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
Yeah, I know what it is, and and I love
it and I'm a big fan of it. I prefer
it over over a ham ham. What do you call
it again?

Speaker 4 (01:52:55):
All right, Christmas in the South sounds like a good time.
Right after the break, we're going to have a chance
to chatting. Hang Gum. He is beef and lamb ambassador
and a chef. There is going to be an interesting chats.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
We'll get to the bottom of whether Sarah Oma was
a track cyclist or a b mixer or Sarah Walker
or which way around it was, because I got that
wrong before and it fired up the text machine to tell.

Speaker 4 (01:53:17):
You right it is ten minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons you
for twenty twenty four US talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
Be seven and four.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
A lot of love coming in through Muttenham after after
I said it was better than pig Ham Muttenham all
the way.

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
Let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:53:39):
Yeah, right on the phone right now is Cheat and Penguorm.
He is New Zealand Beef and Lamb Ambassador and he'd
chef at one eighty restaurant in Wellington Cheaton.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
Hello, Hi, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
What do you say to people that say that you
shouldn't cock an eye filler on a barbecue because it
doesn't have.

Speaker 3 (01:53:54):
Enough fat on it.

Speaker 26 (01:53:57):
I was actually listening into that conversation, and yeah, like
I said, I don't want to be sort of I
don't want to say not do anyone. They're welcome to
cook as long as it's music. In Beef and Lamb,
you can cook anything on the barbecue.

Speaker 4 (01:54:11):
Answer now, for you, what is the big difference between
New Zealand Beef and lamb versus overseas beef and Lamb?

Speaker 26 (01:54:19):
For you, I guess the New Zealand Beef and Lamb,
the New Zealand grassed beef and Lamb, I guess, is
considered one of the best in the world. And it's
once you sort of I guess have it is. It's
very hard to go back to something else, especially anything
that grain finished or grain fed. The texture, the flavor

(01:54:44):
profile is sort of very very different. The meat is
a lot more leaner, less saturated fat, eye levels of
Omega three fatty acids, great levels of vitamin's, water soluble vitamins.
So there's so many good things about it, but I
guess to put it in short, it's the flavor profile

(01:55:06):
and the mouthfeel that is very very different. And over
the years I've tried a bit of beef and lamb
and and I've had everything everything up in North America, Australian,
Japanese stuff, and nothing can be New Zealand beef and lamb.

Speaker 3 (01:55:25):
You're a good what's what's what do you think? You know,
in your opinion is the best cut of beef?

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
Again, very very subjective as an expert.

Speaker 26 (01:55:40):
For me, something with a bit of fat is really
really good fat as flavor. But then again, ultimately it's
about how you cook it. Like you know, you could
you could use a beautiful piece of like my current
sort of favorite is sort of a Scotch filet, really

(01:56:02):
really nice, but I love the secondary cuts like I
use and have used in the past.

Speaker 24 (01:56:10):
Beef cheek.

Speaker 26 (01:56:13):
It just really depends on what time of the year
we're in. What are some of the applications that we
could do with it with that particular cut of meat
at that time? And yeah, so for me everything is amazing.
It's how you treat it and what purpose it is
going to sell.

Speaker 4 (01:56:33):
Yeah, very good. Nice to check. That is cheat and Pengum.
He is New Zealand Beef and Lamb ambassador. He'd chef
at one eighty restaurant in Wellington. That is asked for today,
I'm feeling more patriotic.

Speaker 3 (01:56:44):
Yeah, that's right. Whatever you do, buy New zeal And produce.

Speaker 4 (01:56:48):
Absolutely, we will see you tomorrow. Have a great risk
of your night.

Speaker 1 (01:56:53):
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