Full Show Podcast: 01 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello are you Great New Zealanders? And welcome to the
Mattin Tyler Afternoons on z B podcast. I think that's
the name of the thing. Huge show today, Tyler Massive.
We went deep into the American election for the first time.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
We certainly did spicy waters to be traversing, but.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
It was a good chat.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, reasonably balanced, but there was a bit of spice
in there.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, definitely a bit of spice there. And then we
went into the mongrel with Liam Lawson, the Great New Zealander.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, he's taking the gloves off a little bit.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, giving the bird at three hundred and fifty kilometers
an hour.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
We like that.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Do you need mongrel to succeed? Then we went into
the hot tissue, the hot issue that every key we
are talking about right now, fake lawns.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
And I don't know if I'm converted. I mean, there
was some good pictures there about the benefits of fake lawn,
synthetic lawn, artificial derth.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Good pictures. Good pictures are sometimes real grass and sometimes
they're dropping face lawns. Like they are in the domain
when you're playing Last Man Stands Cricket. But of course,
because it's a Friday, we also announced the Matt and
Tyler Afternoons New Zealand of the Week and that will
shock you to your core when you get to that
in a couple of hours.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Controversial.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Also the topical tune so very very happy with the
show was one of the best we've ever done. And
that's a month. Have we been doing this for a month?

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:32):
Month?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Now?

Speaker 6 (01:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Oh my goodness. Shall we celebrate with a beer as
we always do on a Friday, Say, let's go down
to the pub and a.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Shot it together.

Speaker 7 (01:40):
Who your new home for insightful and entertaining talk?

Speaker 1 (01:45):
It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons on news Talk
Sebby good Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
You happy Friday. You're listening to Matt and Tyler with
you until four pm. What's going on, Matt, I've.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Just got a problem. It's trying to stop a leak
in multiple places at the moment because I've just got
myself an Apple Watch. I've got my phone here, and
i got my laptop here, and they're all communicating with
me and making noises, and it's very unproficient all to
have noise come on during a broadcast. Yeah, how old
are you?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
You sound like my dad? How do I switch this
thing off? Why is it beeping at me?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
No, dude, get out, I'm the most I am so
technologically advanced you are. I just don't know how to
turn down my watch. Okay, I'm not an old man
that doesn't know how to use things.

Speaker 8 (02:27):
How do you get?

Speaker 2 (02:28):
How do you? But having said that, nine two nine two,
how do you make your Apple watch stop beeping when
you're trying to do a radio show? I just pressed
that and now it's recording this and sending a text
message to my partner. I didn't mean to do that.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Fantastic all the way right onto the show today because
it's Friday. That means at the end of the show
each Friday we have topical tune.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, that's right. I was going to write the eddmin
up about this or just sort it out. But anyway,
Best of five calls on eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, you've stuffed it up again? Okay, you no? So
originally we had first of three, but we're changing it
now to the first of five.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
I'm dealing with my Apple watch here, I haven't got
time for the topical tune.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Right, So here are the rules. We each peck a
song related to a topic of the week. The more tenuous,
the better, I say. And I think I've got to
bang it today. But the first person to get five
votes via phone calls only, we don't take dicks, takes
it out.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
You know you've got it wrong. It's the first of three,
best of five.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
You said you want to figure it out before we
get to that. After the three point is.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
We both play a song based on a topic and
people vote on our weight one hundred eighty ten eighty right.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
That is after three thirty, and it's going to be
tight as a drama by the time we get to
that shield. We are professionals here. We are also after
three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, that's right. It's the New Zealand of the Week.
Every week we announce the Matt and Tyler ZBI afternoons
New Zealand of the Week. Who will it be?

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yeah again, I know I always say this, but more
big nominations this week, controversial packs.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
I've got to say, I don't know from the envelope.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Who is going to Yeah, that is after three o'clock.
And also we want to have a chat about fake grass.
It is a rising in popularity in New Zealand. A
lot of people go for the fake grass option.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
And I understand why you find it offensive.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
I find it very, very strange. There's nothing to me
like the feel of real grass on berefoot, you know,
I mean this look, it looks nice. But how long
does it look nice for? Maximum a year? And in
particularly you've got a pet, then it starts to stink
like urine and it starts to look a bit manky.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, but it's a bit different now. It's more of
a weave.

Speaker 9 (04:40):
Now.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
If you spend money on really quality fake grass, it
works pretty much like real grass, except for always looks green.
There's no weeds in it, there's no thistles, and you
don't have to mow it. It looks amazing. I was
around at a friend's house who's had this whole lawn
done fake and I was complimenting him over a beer. Boy,
your lawn's good, and he says to me, he says,

(05:01):
he says, he says, Meddy, that's not a real lawn.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
You can't have strong lawn, game of its faith. It
doesn't work like that. You have to paste aknly mow.
But anyway, that's the chat after three o'clock as well
after two o'clock. And this is going to be a
good discussion. This is on the back of Liam Lawson,
so he has reiterated his hardline approach to wanting to
succeed in Formula one after coming under fire at last
weekend's Mexican Grand Prix. But he said, I quote, I

(05:26):
am not here to make friends. That's a bit of
a turnaround for Liam, who has long projected himself as
a nice guy image. And he is a nice guy,
no doubt about it, and we're very proud of him
here in New Zealand. He has reached the upper upper
levels of one of the most competitive sports in the world.
So he is an amazing talent. But do you need

(05:47):
to have a little bit of mongrel, a little bit
of I don't care about my competitors. I am not
here to make friends, as he says, I am here
to win. Is that crucial to being in that upper
level of not just sport but business life in general.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Absolutely, you need a bit of mongrel and you can
be both. You can be a nice guy, and you
can play hard and in sport and wherever you are,
you can be robust. You can have robust conversations. I mean,
flipping people off at three hundred kilometers an hour is
probably not your average office workers go to reaction. But
I think you need a bit of mongrel. I think

(06:23):
you can go through a career and just be the
nice guy and get walked all over. So being a
hard man but a good man, or a hard woman
but a good woman.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
A little bit of mongrel. That's going to be a
good chat after two o'clock.

Speaker 10 (06:37):
But right now we do want to.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
This is our question. It's coming to the pointy end
of the election in America. Do we care too much
about American politics in New Zealand. I know I do.
I follow it closely, but I'm not proud of myself.
I think it's junk food. It's addictive. I can watch
YouTube clips for hours, I can read hours and hours
about the US presidential election. But I don't think it's

(07:09):
good for me, and I don't think it's good for
New Zealand. There's so much hype and none of us
can muster up enough energy to work out who we're
voting for in city councils we go to vote to go.
I've never heard of that person. I never heard of
that person. I don't know anything about it, but I
know so much about the smallest little counties in the
American presidential election. Are we consuming thousands of hours of

(07:32):
American politics for no good game? What do we get
out of it?

Speaker 3 (07:36):
What is the appeal? Because it's everywhere at the moment
we do over New Zealand media, there are the live
blogs starting to roll. It's five days away the UAR selection.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
But every journalist that's managed to put a case together
is over there eating hot dogs and pretending like it's
important to New Zealand. But it's just a shiny, glittery thing,
isn't it. It doesn't really mean anything for us, and
we certainly back here can't influence it in any way,
shape or form. What we think about it makes absolutely
no difference.

Speaker 11 (08:04):
Is it.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
I mean it's exciting, though, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (08:06):
To me?

Speaker 3 (08:07):
It is a spectacle? I put akin to sport. Yeah,
and a lot of people say politics is sports. Sometimes
there is an entertainment value to it, and no doubt
about it. If you were into this sort of thing,
and we are that this is entertaining, particularly when one
candidate in particular is involved. He is an entertaining person

(08:28):
to come into this. He's very controversial and a lot
of people have mixed feelings about Donald Trump, but he
does bring a showmanship element to it.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
I'm not denying that at all, but I'm saying it's
junk food the whole of it. It's so exciting, both
sides just throwing out talking points that are not true.
It's just that it's the winning the day. It's the
ever never ending cycle. The twenty four hour news cycles
come down to about thirty seconds. I mean, he got
that there was an assassination attempt. That feels like it

(08:56):
was twenty years ago. That's how fast things are moving through.
So I don't know, I don't know. I don't think
it's good for us to be too focused on the
American election.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Did we care this much about this than we did
to the last four years. I'm trying to cast my
mind back. I mean, that was a heck of a
long time ago. Considering what's happened in those four years,
I think we did. This was probably more of a
slow burn, right, it's ramping up now in New Zealand's
media and headlines, and people are talking about it out
there in the newsroom and on the street as well.
Friends I chat to, it comes up in conversation, why

(09:28):
are we so invested in the UIs eliction?

Speaker 8 (09:29):
Tyler?

Speaker 2 (09:29):
How much did you care about the christ Church City
council elections? The local body elections? How much did you
care about those? Those are the ones that really affect
your life day to day and you didn't care about
them because you're too busy on YouTube. Following the new
cycle of the American election, you are the problem.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
I voted. I was one of the fifteen percent actually
filled in my weed ballot and then we posted it,
I mean the post for the local council election.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
And did you know anyone on the list? Did you vote?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Did I know my local representative for my community board?

Speaker 9 (10:02):
No?

Speaker 2 (10:02):
I did not. You did everyone you vote for? Was
everyone that you voted for someone that you knew something about?
Was it just an interesting name?

Speaker 3 (10:11):
I had one hundred and eighty ten out our answer
that one very shortly nine two nine two. Are you
invested in the US election? Is it just a spectacle?
Is it entertainment? Or do you gen we believe this
is a major world event and we should get love
to hear from you. On eight hundred eighty ten eighty
It is a quarter past one.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Back in a mo.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Take it away, Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Extremely a Cato.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 7 (10:53):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Afternoons You for twenty twenty four US Talk said, be
good afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Where we are talking about the US election. It's five
days away. We'll start to get the results Wednesday afternoon
next Wednesday. But we are incredibly invested in it. Well,
that is the impression that I'm give much more than
other countries around the world.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
New Zealand is so invested in this election. People are
talking about it constantly. It's everywhere. I was talking to
a mate who's over in the US and he's just
been in New Zealand and he said, the election is
bigger here than it is over there. He's just walking
around working over there, and people aren't really talking about
it in the same way that people are talking about
it here, which is odd because we have absolutely no
impact on it. Yeah, Dallas, your thoughts Are you into it?

(11:38):
Are you excited about it. Is it something we should
be spending our time on.

Speaker 12 (11:42):
Yes, totally. I've got a question for you, lads, which
would be better for you for peace in America? A
Trump win or Trump lost?

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Well, that's not really the question we were asking. That's
taking it down a different path. We're asking because we
we have no effect on it. I'm really asking the question,
are we just spinning our wheels and not concentrating on
what's in New Zealand? And I know i am because
I'm incredibly focused on it because it's a big, shiny object.
But I'm saying it's younk food for us we're in
New Zealand.

Speaker 12 (12:11):
Yeah, but it's going to affect New Zealand in two ways.
One is trade. If Trump wents and puts huge tariffs
on our goods, it's going to really affect New Zealand
and a lot of other countries too because he's an isolationist.
And it's got to also affect world peace in ways

(12:32):
we can't really predict. But if Paris wins, it would
be kind of business as usual. But Trump's unpredictable in
terms of world events, world peace, and alliances. So yeah,
it's going to.

Speaker 9 (12:46):
Affect the world.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah, but if it is a good, Dallas to follow
it to the extent to pick it up our Matt's
points that say, fifteen years ago, there was no way
we followed the US election to the degree that we
follow it now. And you could argue, because we've got
a twenty four our new cycle now, technology plays a part.
I get all that, but part of it is you've

(13:07):
got to admit it's a spectacle and whether that's a
healthy thing to be so invested. And I get there
are big elements of play there, but that's been the
case for the last fifty years in America.

Speaker 12 (13:18):
Well, Tyle, I find it just so much more interesting
than our New Zealand politics at the moment.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
So do I Dallas. And also, of course your name
is Dallas, so you might be naturally drawn to American events.
But I think it definitely is. But my question is
is that good? Is that good for us? I feel
like I consume so much of it starts to stress
me out, and I'm spinning wheels on something that I
have absolutely no effect on, whether it's whatever, the result is,

(13:51):
I have no effect on it at all. So for
me to live in anxiety around an election. It seems
to me to be a bit of a waste of
my time.

Speaker 12 (14:01):
Have you got Trumps arrangement syndrome? I think we all
have to a certain degree because it's such a huge
figure that and he's affected everyone in some ways, hasn't he?

Speaker 3 (14:12):
So, Dallas, on Wednesday, next Wednesday, two pm, when the
numbers start coming through, you'll be by a tally or
listening to the radio hopefully and being invested.

Speaker 12 (14:22):
What won't we won't get the result on Wednesday? You
know it's going to be like.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Well, I mean last one it took what he long?
Did that take? That took about six weeks? Didn't it
to get the final result?

Speaker 13 (14:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, Dallas, You're a good man, always good to chat.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
I mean, I seriously feel dirty if because I get
drawn to YouTube. I'm sitting there watching it in more
and more political pundits coming through from both sides, completely
opposite opinions, alternate realities that are happening over there in
the States, and I'm sitting there. I can sit there
for two hours watching this stuff, and afterwards, I just
feel dirty. I feel like I've just been consuming junk

(15:00):
food and I just wish I was a better person
that could concentrate on local body elections in New Zealand.
I wish I could be more excited about what was
happening here.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Can you remember after the last election so four years
ago and we know that Biden God and he won
that election, and how fast we just kind of forgot
about us politics. It wasn't a thing. It just kind
of that the headlines were there no.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
More we had we had a bit of stuff on
back here.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah yeah, we technically, yeah, yeah, there was a lot
going on there. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you're invested in the US election, why should we
be loved to hear from U? Nine two ninety two
is the text number twenty three past one.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Mold of the big names are on the Mike Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 14 (15:40):
Boris Johnson. I had the best time with him yesterday.
I hooked up with them yesterday morning. I just at
the very beginning, I said, look, look, Boris, can you
can you like give us just thirty seconds on the
UK budget?

Speaker 15 (15:51):
You know, business is being how had I just got
a message from a children's bothing business. It's being hammered
by these cats. Is on employment it will crush enterprise
and it's it's a totally the wrong way for the country.

Speaker 14 (16:04):
Back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
May These Realers, State News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
It's twenty five past one, Blair, how are you good?

Speaker 9 (16:13):
Hey, guys? How you doing very good.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
On a Friday? Hope you are too.

Speaker 9 (16:18):
It's a Friday, so you know you can't complain. Now
you've chosen a polarizing subject this afternoon. There's going to
be opinions that are going to accept upset, a lot
of people gone. You know, a lot of z B
listeners are right leaning. But I think we should be

(16:41):
worried about what happens in the US elections because down
the line it will have an impact here.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (16:48):
I mean, you know, the city count the Christiet City
Council is not going to have a global effect, whereas
the US political elections will. If he just destabilizes any
of these regions. You know what's going on in the
Middle East and lots of stuff that pushes our fuel
prices up, and you know, he's licking the bums of

(17:13):
tyrants and he's let's be honest, there are single celled organisms,
organisms out there with more intelligence and more more charisma
than the tangent.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
But I get this is not really what I want.
To take a more philosophical approach to this. Blair, and
you say that you're worried about it. Worrying doesn't help anything.
It doesn't change anything. What will be will be. As
far as New Zealand's concerned in the American election, we
don't have any impact on it at all. And that's
really what I'm saying. We can worry about it, whatever
side we come from won't make any difference. My point

(17:50):
is that it's junk food. Consuming it over and over
again is bad for you. And whilst New Zealand politics
might be not as exciting, it's the same as broccoli
being better for you than eating a burger. It's I
just think that personally myself, the amount of time I
spend watching the American elections, and I'm not judging anyone

(18:11):
that does, That's what I'm saying. I'm judging myself. The
worry and the concern and the amount of energy and
time I spend on it. I don't think is personally
good for me, and I don't think it moves my
world forward. It doesn't help me be a better father.
It doesn't help me be a better talk about post
or whatever else I have to do in my life.

(18:33):
I think what b will be concentrating what's in front
of your face.

Speaker 9 (18:37):
I agree with that because a lot of what you've
just said is very true. However, you are a more
educated person. You have a better understanding of how the
US political system works, and the're not going to affects
from that. So it hasn't all been negative. You've you've
learned and you've gained knowledge as you've been watching this stuff.

(18:59):
But yes, I mean I'm quite a consumer of it.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
It's just funny, isn't it, Blair, that when we look
at Oh sorry you Caryll Carol.

Speaker 9 (19:08):
No, no, no, It's just all I was going to
say is I'm just shaking my head every time the
guy speaks. It's just absolute Hey, Blair.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
When do you do you watch? Do you get your
American politics on YouTube?

Speaker 9 (19:24):
I get a lot of it from YouTube?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yes, because I find that's where I find myself losing
significant chunks of my life. The way the YouTube algorithm works.
It just keeps spewing the stuff at me, and I'm
just munching. I'm just the lollies and my.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
We love it.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
And then then I then I finally like pull myself,
peel myself off the couch and go to bed and
then lie in the dark and go what have I
done with my evening? What's wrong with me?

Speaker 16 (19:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (19:54):
Well, I mean you should. You've got to land a multitask, mate.
I'll have it sitting going on the bench while I'm
cooking dinner or something, or doing the dishes or whatever.
It's not my sole focus. I'm not I'm not, you know,
tied to my couch, glued to it. I can do
other things at the same time.

Speaker 17 (20:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, I'd keeel myself off the couch like Homer Simpson.
I don't even notice I've been sweating there. I didn't
even notice that my my palms have got sweaty. As
I'm sitting there. My partner's going, what are you doing? Come?
Come and play scrabble. Well, you would never say.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
That a nice game of monopoly. Just to cut you down.
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty as a
number to call it bang on one point thirty.

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Speaker 3 (21:54):
Thank you very much. Rayleen. It's twenty seven to term.
We're talking about the US election and are we to
invest it? Why is it so much of a big
thing in New Zealand and the is it bigger here
than it is in the likes of Germany or France
or the UK in terms of how we talk about it,
what we see online.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah. And I don't think this is this is my
fault because I haven't really explained myself free well. I
think people misunderstanding my point. My point is I'm saying
it doesn't help us, and it doesn't make me feel good,
and I feel like it's a waste of time, and
I feel like I'm eating junk food when I follow
the American election and people are saying, well, bad things
could happen from both sides depending on what your political

(22:32):
views are. But can I do something incredibly pretentious? Yeah,
I'll give you a pass pretentious. This probably might be
a word beginning with W more than pretentious. But I
was going to read what I because I want to
accentuate my point here, and so I want to read
something from my book, A Lifeless Punishing okay, okay, ye
worry gets confused with preparation. Will worrying make you feel

(22:55):
like you're preparing for the future, You might not be.
Preparation is this human superpower that created civilization. Worrying is
mostly just a spinning of mental wills. We've succeeded as
a species because of our ability to resist the immediate
award in favor of working, designing, saving, and building. You
can sit inside worrying about the state of your house,
or you can make a plan to paint it, which
is what I'm currently doing. It's a big job, especially

(23:18):
the preparation, but now that I'm doing it, I'm much
less worried about future leaks. You can spend time worrying
that someone younger or seemingly better than you might get
your job, or you could do your job really well.
So my point in that in the chapter and Worry
is that worry isn't doing anything. YEA worrying sitting on
the couch watching YouTube clips about the American election, whichever

(23:39):
way you tend and being stressed out about what's going
to happen in the future is not doing anything at
all except for damaging you. It's not something you're working
on or something you're building to. We don't even get
to vote in that election, so we don't have any
say in at all, so worrying about it I don't
personally think is a productive way to spend your life.

(24:02):
If you're watching it purely like sport, and you enjoy
it under that level, and you're just enjoying the spectacle
and the ups and downs, but you're not stressing out
and worrying about it, then go for your life. I'm
not going to choose people's entertainment. I'll watch a horror
movie and get stressed out about it.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Nicely see it. You've also reminded me I need to
paint my house.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Ray mind you need to buy my book today.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
Matt get A Taylor, how are you going?

Speaker 19 (24:24):
You're good?

Speaker 4 (24:25):
Hey, Matt?

Speaker 20 (24:26):
I completely agree with you. I don't eat takeaways very often,
but when I do, I want the KFC double down
I one of the most unhealthy things. Yes, now I
am intrigued and I love the US politics. I feel
so sorry for my wife though. Last weekend I made
a sit through the Trump rally and the JD. Varnes

(24:48):
podcast with CEO von and the Trump Podcast worth Joe Rogan.
We had a weekend, the whole weekend of just watching
Trump stuff. My wife has got almost no interest in this,
but she'll, you know, she'll go along with it for
a little while with me. But here two days last weekend,

(25:09):
I've now got to give her probably a rest until
after the elections.

Speaker 17 (25:15):
And it's kind of.

Speaker 20 (25:16):
Hard to say why it's so interesting, but for me
it's because it's because it's such a polarriving thing. People
have very strong opinions either way on both Trump and Harris,
and I am just loving watching it all play out.
I think the real obvious thing for American voters, and
I think this is just speaking truth, is everyone knows

(25:37):
their track record of Trump. They can see how Trump
was when he was four years in president, and you
can you can draw your conclusions from that about whether
the world was more or less stable, what his position
was on things, how he reacted to crisis and chaos.
You've also got Harris, who's been who's the incumbent, basically
who's been in government with Biden's the last four years,

(25:58):
so you can also see how the Democrats and the
Democratic Party have reacted to situations, what they have or
maybe have not done globally. So it's a very you know,
it's very a very clear map I think for Americans
who are voting about based on how the person they supported,
those what has been while I've been in power.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, Now, Ray, my question for you, So you waterboard
your water boarded your wife for the want of a
bit of a word worth all that American politics over
the weekend. And look, I did a bit of it
the same, along with so much sport. But do you
think obviously it doesn't sound like she enjoyed it that much,
but do you think that was a good usage of
your time? Do you think it made you feel better

(26:42):
about the world? Do you think it was a productive
thing for you to do?

Speaker 20 (26:45):
Ray, No, it was it was really unproductive. That I
enjoyed it. I enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
And like I mean, if you if you loved it
and you enjoyed it, then that is no, that is
no problem at all. I'm never going to question well,
within reason, I'm going to question so people enjoying some stuff.

Speaker 20 (27:03):
But and whether whether my wife loved it or enjoyed it, well,
that's like that's that wasn't the question you asked me.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
She's not a convert obviously to us politics. Yeah, but
you'll keep trying, Ray.

Speaker 21 (27:16):
Yeah, I will.

Speaker 20 (27:16):
I will and say that's like I just love it.
I love watching a playout. Like I'm going to an
event next Wednesday with the Chamber of Commerce from America
at a pub in town, so I'm really looking forward
to that.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
I might be out there one that's the Empire just
down downstairs.

Speaker 20 (27:38):
I'll be there, Will there, you've been there.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
You come come along. We'll ever be here, all right.

Speaker 20 (27:43):
I haven't mean, I haven't mean I haven't met me.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
I see like a really if you see a really
good looking guy about six foot two buff, that's me.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
We're actually on air at that time, but Matt will
be down there in some capacity, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
But Ray was very close to where we are, so
I'll be nipping down.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
In bats all right, right too, So mate, thank you
very much. It is twenty to two. You're listening to
Matt and Tyler. Good afternoon to you, the.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
US that affect you, and a bit of fun along
the way Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons you for
twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
You talk very good afternoon, Stan.

Speaker 22 (28:18):
How are you on good thanks, Tyler. I think this
election is hugely consequential for the world, no doubt, for
America and for the world, no doubt. I think it
was Eisenhower who said that one of the biggest things
to fear for America was the industrial military complex. Trump's

(28:40):
outside of the establishment. He's not a politician, as you
can see from some of the loose things he says
with his mouth. But quite quite honestly, I think he's
fast preparative to the current regime. That's some power now.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
But aside from that stand and that look, there will
be a lot of differing views on the particular candidates
running this time. But for you, as as a New
Zealand citizen, you do you enjoy watching or do you
are you genuinely invested because you think it is hugely
important to us and the rest of the world.

Speaker 22 (29:18):
Yeah, the latter, the latter, I mean, I feel the
suge consequence. You can just see the disaster and what's
happening in Roughia, Ukraine, that's a totally disaster.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Do you think that you can have Sorry to interrupt
you this Stan, but do you think you can have
an impact on that or do you think it's not important.
Do you think you just want to be across it
because you think it's important, even though it's not really
something that we can have any impact on here in
New Zealand.

Speaker 22 (29:50):
Honestly, we don't vote. Actually, the security of the relic
system for overseas voters so likes that you could actually
vote it's a New Zealand citizen.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Well again, Stan, we're not going to take it to
those sort of allegations. We're just got to stick to
the point here. But you think it is hugely important,
but just check this at you. So the Australian election, right,
and we follow that to some extent, but not to
the same extent that we're following the US election. We're
not running a running, rolling coverage.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
A week before.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
You'd argue to New Zealand, not to the world, but
to New Zealand, that would be a more important election
than the US election.

Speaker 22 (30:28):
Yeah, but the Studia doesn't have a world and pair
worldwide and pair. You know, America America is keeping China
out of Taiwan. I mean, America, like it or not,
is still pretty much the world policeman. Not that they
always get things right, but quite honestly, They're a restraining
force on some of the crazy regimes around around the world.

(30:51):
North Korea. I mean, remember when Trump went to North
Korea against all advice and spoke to a little rocket
man when he was firing rockets over Japan. And after
Trump went, you know, with firing rocket stops now Stan.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
There's no doubt that it has significant for the world,
and there's no doubt it's literally and exciting and important.
But do you wish like me? Kind of? I mean,
and I'm heavily invested in the election, so I'm not
judging anyone for being that way. I just wish I
was the type of person that could be as invested
in local bolo. And that sounds ridiculous, sounds ridiculous to
even say it because the difference is so large, But

(31:28):
I wish stand that I could be the kind of
person that knew all the counselors I was voting for,
knew everything that affected my neighborhood and my community, and
yet my focus is on something that's happening ten five
hundred kilometers away. Do you wish? So you go, no,
you go stand.

Speaker 22 (31:46):
I mean, I've got a reasonably good handle on I mean,
I lived in the Walton leagues, and I've got a
pretty good handle on local politics as well. I guess
I'm reasonly aware of what's happened with locally and nations.
I guess there's a lot of people who see the
prs of the American election and all the blazing rights

(32:11):
in the media. That's that's all around us. What you
don't often see with local local politics. But I am
kind of quite aware of what's happening locally, like in
the Wellington region as well. But I think the consequences
of getting it wrong in America is hugely more consequential

(32:37):
than if we get the wrong local politicians.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Well, thank you very much for you for your call
the stand, and I admire you for being across your
local body elections. I'm going to try my best. I'm
actually going to try and focus on it. And it
is like eating gruel when there's.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
It is boring, but arguably to feature your life broccoli,
BROCCOLI's growl.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
But my partner's really trying to make me broccoli.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
And you feel so much better when you do the
right thing.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
And someone has made a good point here, guys. There
are a number of us living in New Zealand that
vote in the US or Australian elections, And that's true,
and people that do vote in the US elections, then
they do have an effect. They do have an opportunity
to make a difference that I certainly don't.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Absolutely, Rods, how are you?

Speaker 23 (33:25):
I'm good, Matt and Tyler. Yeah, First and foremost, I
must apologize. I don't know what came over me, but
I said a text the other day saying.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Oh, this is bloody boring, and.

Speaker 23 (33:35):
Then I realized what I do that for, because it's
been bloody good.

Speaker 17 (33:39):
Oh, you guys are great.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
You're always welcome here, Rod, don't. I mean, we get
a lot of around the day, mate.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
If we are boring, if we are getting boring, we
do want you to keep us honest.

Speaker 23 (33:51):
Tyler is the sort of he's now now he's in
there with.

Speaker 7 (33:55):
The z B crew, he's the renegade.

Speaker 23 (33:59):
I can see it falling into that good cop, bad
cop sort of.

Speaker 22 (34:04):
But anyway, regarding the interest, you.

Speaker 23 (34:08):
Know, with American politics and what's going to happen, I
don't think you'd feel any shame or badness about it.
I mean, it's the first time in history, really that
we can solve this stuff so closely, and I think
we take it for granted a lot of the time now,
you know, with the communication around the world, and I
just think simply a simple answer is whatever happens in

(34:32):
the United States is going to affect the rest of
the globe. And that's how it is, whether you like
it or not.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Well, right, I've got a question for you. The other night,
I spent three hours watching YouTube clips in the American
election when my kids are upstairs. Wouldn't it have been
better if I'd peeled myself off that couch, got my
kids and said, let's go walk the dog, Let's play
a board game, let's play guitar, Let's spend some time
together with my family that are there. That's what I
should be doing as a parent, and sorting out what's

(35:00):
closest to me, and that's where my energy should be focused.
And after that my community around me, and then after
that local body elections, then New Zealand as and that
my focus on the American elections is should be down
the list of the things that I spent my time
worrying about. I wish I was that person. I want
to be that person.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Right, this is free therapy for Matt.

Speaker 23 (35:21):
I think I think Mad needs to realize that.

Speaker 24 (35:24):
I think he's brought up a bloody good point which
you could use for you know, slice of the show
sometime in the future. Is this, you know, lack of
interest in local body stuff. And I've only just taken
you know, an interest in the last two years, and
I've forced myself really because it's really thats and it's.

Speaker 23 (35:47):
Something that I think we really need to connect with.
Maybe there's not the drama or the you know, the
apocalyptic sort of angle to it.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yeah, but then we vote people in the then right,
we vote people in into local body politics and we go,
why is this muppet doing that? I've never heard of him.
And then you check the numbers of people that voted
for them, you go that, well, that's the problem because
I've never heard of them. And I didn't focus on
what was happening around me because I was looking at
the shiny object on the other side of the world.

Speaker 23 (36:20):
Well, I reckon, it's a big issue these days, especially
these days, you know, when you look at the difference.
So I reckon it's worthwhile some afternoon just seeing what
other people saying. Dan bringing up the bloody awareness of
the importance of it. Yeah, look, ratio, guys, I've turned.
I've finally realized it's damn good. But watch your for that.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Matt, you're a wise man. Rod, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Thanks to you, cool mate.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call love to hear from you. It is nine
minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
Matath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
NEWSTALKSB News TALKSB seven minutes to two A Josh, thank you.
Oh sorry, the right, that's right with the customer.

Speaker 25 (37:14):
Hey, guys, yeah, no, this whole I'm quite philosophical about
what's going on over there. And you know it's it's
funny because we hear everyone say, well, I'm going to
do this, and someone else is I'm going to do that. Realistically,
I mean, what's going to change?

Speaker 6 (37:30):
Right?

Speaker 25 (37:30):
Like we vote? We vote changed, don't we and you
know you he's not going to like, as an example,
draining the swamp. It's a concept that one could achieve
if you'd hung around for twenty years first before you
become president. But if you don't know the landscape. How
can you drain a swamp?

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Yeah, but going back to in this fair point, Josh,
but going back to the idea that this is a
spectacle and it might be akin to sport. If you're
into politics, then this is the World Series of Politics,
right if you admit that you enjoy it from an
entertainment aspect, is there any thing wrong with it?

Speaker 25 (38:11):
I mean, I'm a little bit more serious, Like, I'm
not an idiot who's going to sit in front of
CNN and maybec or Fox for three hours. I just
can't put up with that sort of psychological barrage of gaslighting.
You know, it's just gaslighting. It's like I should be
in fair therefore I need to vote for this person.
It's just a ridiculous going on. But what I have

(38:33):
looked at is, did you guys see the Jordan Peterson
podcast the psychoanalysis of Donald Trump?

Speaker 2 (38:39):
No, no, no, check that out.

Speaker 25 (38:42):
At first I thought I was optimistic. I said, oh, yes,
this will be good, and then I thought, well, the
problem is is Jordan does have a political bias towards
Trump anyway, So it's like, how genuine is that psychoanalysis
going to be? It's actually pretty good. It's actually pretty good.
But as he progressed through the podcast, ends up talking

(39:03):
about a fantasy dream team, Republican dream team, and I
was like, oh my, you just scooed the whole thing
by just focusing on your own bias.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
There.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
He's an interesting foul a. Jordan Peterson.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Yeah, good luck finding anyone without a bias to listen
to a comment on Someone has made a really good
point on nine two ninety two, and I was talking
about I'm sitting there on the couch watching YouTube about
the American politics, where meanwhile my kids are upstairs, and
I should be being a dad and hanging out with
my kids and walking the dog, etc. And doing something wholesome.
Someone said, Matt Spark. It was Matt, watch the election

(39:37):
next week after work with your kids and make it
fun and engage and get some popcorn going. They'll be
watching history play it and play out in real time.
I could be a great parent and a political junkie
at the same.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Time point and it means a genius.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
And then maybe I could have a little bit of
local body politics. I could read some council notes on
the side as well, and then I'll be the well rounded,
perfect human being that I want to be.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Haha, good luck getting your kids to watch Parliament TV.
I mean now Bory. But anyway, good jet. We're going
to change it up very shortly. We want to talk
about Liam Lawson and him getting a little bit of
mongrel in him as a nice guy. Is that what
you need to get a hit at the elite level?
That's coming up very shortly. Oh, eight, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two
ninety two is the text number. You're listening to Matt

(40:23):
and Tyler. Very good afternoon to.

Speaker 7 (40:24):
You talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty
twenty four News Talk.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Zibby, welcome back into the show. Six pass too great
to have your company. Really enjoyed that last hour. But
we've got another topic on the table and this will
be a doozy as well, considering the number of texts
we've already got. Do you need a little bit of mongrel?
Need to be a little bit aggressive, a little bit
of a bad guy to get a hit at the
elite level, whether it's in sport, business life. This is

(40:57):
on the back of Liam Lawson, and he is the
ultimate nice guy, and I think genuinely he is. See wow,
he's a young guy who is achieving great things.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Hugely proud of him. But I don't know if he's
the ALTI A nice guy.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Well that is the image that he portrays. He's a
good looking kid. He's been nice and he got a
bit of a taling off after he flipped the bird
to Sergio Perez at the Mexico Grand Prix.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
That's one of my life goals to be safely flip
the bird at someone at three hundred and fifty kilometers
an hour.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Not many people get to do that. Well, you could
jump on an airplane and do it, but it doesn't
have the same effect. That doesn't that's true. But he
so he's due to race this weekend and he came
out and he did somewhat apologize for flipping the bird
to Sergio, but he went on to say that I
am just focused on having the best possible race each
time I get in the card direct quote. Honestly, that's

(41:50):
all I'm trying to do at the moment. Maybe I'm aggressive,
but I'm here for one reason. Obviously. My goal is
to not go out and make enemies of everybody. I'm
not trying to cause any issues or anything like that.
But at the same time, I am not here to
make friends. I am here to win.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, so we want to talk about that, We want
to talk about being well, we want to talk about mongrel.
If you want to succeed in everything, you can't always
be trying to make friends or can.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
You Well a competitive world and everything's got to be
everything's competitive. I suppose if you have an ambition and
you want to get to the top of whatever field
you're in, whether it's sports, business, whatever, can you have
a little bit of mongrel and still get on with
people around you?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
I would put it the other way. Can you succeed
without a little bit of mongrel? I think everyone needs
a little bit of mongrel if they're going to succeed.
I wouldn't say in every aspect of your life you
want to be competiti if you don't want to compete
with your kids. I don't think you want to compete
with your kids. Well, you know you can in a
running race, that's sure.

Speaker 26 (42:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, you give them one backyard cricket, you've got to
send it.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah, smack that first six.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah, you got to you got to come off the
back fence at pace. Yeah and drop it in short
on your kids. Absolutely, one hundred percent. But I think
mongrels are really important and he's just saying the absolute truth.
I mean the idea that you're a nice guy in
sport completely you have to do everything you can to
win within the rules of the game and sometimes in

(43:20):
the It might be controversial to say, but everyone's favorite
New Zealand rugby player, Richie mccaugh nice guy. But he
did everything within the rules and arguably in the gray
areas to win. He definitely had mongy and that's one
of the great things about rugby is you get to
show your moong rule by knocking people on their backs.

(43:43):
That's one of the great things about that sport.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
But to Richie McCaw, we New Zealanders thought he was
a nice guy and he is a nice guy. But
England didn't think it was a nice guy. Australia didn't
think he was a nice guy. South Africa they might
have been a little bit more friendly to the style
of I think they respect him.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
They respect him. I think they respect him as a
person and as a player and I think there's very
few of those people that he played again that wouldn't
want to have a beer with them after a game.
And you know, when they all retire, there's no one
better buddies than international players that really went hard at
each other when they were playing. But I'd say that's

(44:23):
even even in business, right because right now we've got
this thing where you're not supposed to really fire up
and yell at people, but I think you can. I
think it's all right to fire up and sometimes get
a bit heated, and that doesn't mean you're not a
nice guy, but you've got it. You're fighting your corner. Yeah,
I think I think mongrels are really really important thing.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Did you respect that and bosses that you've had, because
you've been in this game or the media game for
a long time and you've had great success in the
media game. Thanks mate, did you but in those early
days when you had bosses who were they had that
aggressive streak in them and clearly they were successful, but
people around them might not have liked them. Did you
respect how they went about that?

Speaker 2 (45:04):
If they need song as someone's fear, if you do
something and you've done something wrong and someone fires up
at you a little bit within reason, then of course
that's okay. But if someone's just firing up all over
the shop because they're not having a good day and
it's random, then it's got to be focused. You've got
to be swimming in the same direction. And if you
let someone down, then you can expect to get a

(45:26):
little bit of a Southerly for it, can't.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
You nicely said, I'll take it to the extreme Michael
Jordan and a lot of people would have seen that
documentary of The Last Dance, no doubt about it. Michael
Jordan was an ahole to his teammates.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
And fantastic documentary and there's that moment actually, and I
can't remember the exact words, but they asked him, do
you think you were an ambition and your demands of
your teammates meant that you ended up not really being
the friends with them that you could have been. Because
he needed to fire himself up in a certain way,
and at that moment in the documentary, he sort of
tears up a little bit, doesn't he, And he gets

(45:57):
the cameras to be turned off because he's thinking, at
that point, I did miss out on friendships because I
was so focused on what I felt was important. I
mean that might be at the far end of it
Grand Dalton, but you cannot argue with Michael Jordan's results.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Yeah, he's a winner. Grant Dalton very similar and again
he's one. Again he is a winner, but he is
despised by doing what he feels he needs to do
to win, I think much. I think it's.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Slightly different in sport because you have to do whatever
you can to win for not just yourself but your
team and for your country or your supporters. But in
any kind of working environment, I think to a certain extent,
it's a very complex one because you are there kind
of to make friends, because a workplace is better and

(46:49):
that's a great place to socialize, and so many people
meet their partners at work, work, and and it's a
whole nother life that's outside. I mean, a great workplace,
you very work, really hard. Everyone's giving one hundred percent.
People are aggressive where they need to be, but they
end up being great friends and going out for a
beer on a Friday night afterwards. Absolutely, you have to

(47:13):
have mongrel otherwise you're going to get stamped upon, You're
going to get you're going to get walked upon. You're
going to be walked.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Over just quickly before we get to the calls. Let's
take it to say film Marlon Brando, right, h incredible actor,
had some big problems in his life, but he was
despised on the film set, but he got the job
done and he won Oscars celebrated as he.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Kind of got the job done accidentally sometimes like an
Apocalypse now when he turned up about one hundred kg's
overweight and they had to change the whole the whole
script to deal with the fact he hadn't done his
job properly and cut down the size of his role.
But it actually ended up being brilliant. But I think
that was slightly dumb luck that situation there. France at
Ford Cobbler did a real quite a clever save on
that one. But that's kind of letting people down. I mean,

(48:02):
if you're working hard and you're doing the right thing,
and you're swimming in the same direction with people and
someone someone lets you down, then a little bit. I
don't think there's anything wrong with firing up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Yeah, all right, let's get into this. So eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It
is fourteen pass two.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Your new home of afternoon Torth Tyler Adams Afternoon Call.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk said.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Be seventeen pass two.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Just sort of another great example of mongrel that's just
happened recently, the Near Tea winning the Constellation Cup. Yep,
when key we mungled up, that's when we started beating
the Aussies.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah, David, what's your take on this one?

Speaker 17 (48:44):
Oh, guys, I just started laughing at the useful word
a bit of mongrel. We have the mongol mob, don't we.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
That's probably too much mongrel there, there's there's way too much.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
You say that success though, I need to look for
a different word.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
What what's a different word for it?

Speaker 17 (49:02):
But really that really is my point that I believe
that at a mongol is essential. It's not just okay,
it's essential because a few and evolutionary terms. Look back
a few hundred thousand years when we were in the
end of souls, right living in cave sending us our
wife who was the you know he's going to producer now,

(49:26):
is if a tiger came in, if he didn't have
a bit of mongrel, the whole would be wiped out.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
It's a good point. The guy that negotiated with the
sabertooth tiger did not last very long. The guy that
was a nice guy to the fanged beast did not
last long.

Speaker 27 (49:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (49:44):
And I just thinking back, just very quickly that at
the A side a few years ago. This is the
true story. At a roundabout and Blenham, I got cut
off by a guy on a motorbike and I flipped
the bird of him. A few seconds later realized that, yeah,
this was to go on his helmet, right, wrong guy.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Yeah, Yeah, I mean that's a bit more extreme than flipping.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
To flipped someone off in Los Angeles and the person
turned up and pulled a gun on him, and he's
moved back to New Zealand and since then he's never
flipped anyone off ever. Again, cheaper studio, wasn't wasn't packing Talma?

Speaker 3 (50:22):
How are you mate?

Speaker 4 (50:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (50:24):
Good things?

Speaker 21 (50:24):
Fuller's Yeah, I think I may you want to speak
about Liam Lawson, but I think every competitive environment is
very different. Obviously, you've got a mixture of rules, laws,
social mores about what's successible and not acceptable, and obviously
it depends on whether you're working as part of a

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team or whether you're a set of different individual competing
for a goal. But yeah, I think that all determines
about what's suitable in which situation. But when it comes
to Liam Lawson, yeah, look, I don't think you did
anything wrong. It probably shouldn't have flipped finger, But I
think to add a bit context for the situation, he

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already had a whole bunch of people out there wanting
him to fail. Daniel Riccardo very large fan base, very
feral fan.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Base, and they were in Mexico any time.

Speaker 21 (51:22):
Yeah. Yeah, so he's not so den Ricardo being the
Australian but Chico bred as a Mexican. He's obviously competing
for his seat at Red Bull, so obviously a whole
lot of that Latin speaking audience weren't that keen on
him anyway. But I think for Liam, I think the

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main thing he's probably learned is from our last guy
they had to go Formula one, Brendan Hartley. Brendan came
in really good driver, he had his chance. He finally
got a car that was going to be competitive with
his direct rival Pierre Gasley. I think it was at
the time, and Red Bull Brendan had the fast car

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red Bull rang and said than on the conference to Ghastlie,
he's got the faster car, let him pass. Gasly directly
refuse that order to let heart be pass. Hartley never
got passed. He didn't finish up on the points, and
I think that was either his last or sicking to
last drive. Even though Gazzly was doing the wrong thing,

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he ultimately showed he was the driver with the more mongrels.
And that's why that's why it's still driving in Formula
one today.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah, I guess, yeah, a way you could show mongrel
as if someone steps on you and is unfair to you,
portrays you that they know there will be consequences.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Yeah, and that's standing up for yourself, right, Tomma. That's
that's different, whether that's in the sporting world or life
in general.

Speaker 21 (52:54):
Yeah, so what's Formula one? Like Checko Pareza has come
out and a lot of fans of Ricardo and Pereza
come out saying odd, you know, it's about humbleness, it's
about learning your place, it's about respecting these guys that
have been there and done that before. That's not what
forming about. It's been about results.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
It's about him keeping his seat, and it's about his chance.
And the other thing I'd say about that is, can
you imagine the amount of adrenaline that's going through your system?
I mean, it's very easy for me to not flip
someone off driving at fifty kilometers an hour to work,
although I should be driving at thirty from the speed
limits in Auckland around them at the moment.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
But safe.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
But no, I will always drive it fifty. I'm going
never drive at thirty. There's the most ridiculous thing that's
ever happened that. Don't get me started around.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
That's for another day.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I'll show Mongrel there just no but to finish my
point tiler point. The amount of adrenaline that's going through
your system when you're driving at those kind of speeds.
I mean they say that when you're on a plane.
People always ask why on international flights or when you
watch a movie you'll cry when you wouldn't normally cry.
It's because somewhere in your mind the amigdler, you know,
the migdala, the primitive parts of your brain. They know

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that you're traveling eight hundred and fifty kilometers an hour,
so you've got a heightened sense, every things heightened. Yeah,
even though you may feel like you can't parts of
your body, you're going. You're going eight fifty. So you'll
cry in a movie when you normally wouldn't, and then
you tell someone your land. I just watched the Best Movie.
It was very affecting. You watch it on the ground
and you couch and it's really, really, really lame. So

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the amount of adrenaline that Lawson's dealing with at that time,
I do. I am not surprised that he flipped someone off. Yeah,
because the emotions, and you know, you succeed if you
can keep those emotions and check to the point where
you can focus on what you're doing. Of course.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Yeah. But when I look at the and again, I'm
going to bring back to Michael Jordan because I can't
agree with his philosophy, even though he was a winner.
To me, relationships are the key to life that nobody
gets anywhere in life without people around them. There's no
such thing to me as a self made man. It
just does not exist. You need people around you to
help you, so you have to be a team player,
and how you get on with people that help you

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is essential. He had players in his team that was
helping him get those championships, win the game, but he
did not care about those people, and those people despise
Michael Jordan.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
I just can't understand that philosophy.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Well, as the saying goes, if you put one human
in the jungle, they'll get eaten really quickly. You put
fifteen in there, and they're the apex predator. We are
designed to work together, but we do need leaders, and
we do need to stick up for ourselves in the
social group, and we need to do what's best to
it for us at the same time as doing what's

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best for us around and that takes a bit of mongrel.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call love to hear from you. It is twenty four past.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Two Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Good afternoon to you. We're talking about having a little
bit of mongrel. Are we still going to use that word? Yeah,
we'll use that word, a little bit of mongrel to
get ahead in life. This is on the back of
Liam Lawson, and I think Liam is a bit more
nuanced than this, but he's taken the gloves off a
little bit. He has been the ultimate nice guy and
wanted to present that image, and I think genuinely he is,
and we're very proud of him. But he got a

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lot of stick for flicking the bird at Sugio Perez.
He's now come out and said he's not there to
make friends exactly.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
He's got to do what he's got to do to
keep his seat and one of the most competitive things
you can possibly do in the world. It's got a
great text here on nine two ninety two. Gents, one
word mana. Mana is word you're looking for. Maybe it's
not mangre or it's marna, you know, prestige, authority, control, power,
influenced status, charisma.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
That is a good word for it. Actually, that encapitulates
a lot of.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Although would you say flipping someone off at three hundred
and fifty kilometers an hour is mana? I think just yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
But mana is quite confidence, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah? Because you can be a really really strong and
powerful leader or you know, a troop or soldier on
a cause and you're not necessarily being aggressive in the
same way, but you might just lay down the perfect
you know, Maximus Discimus Meridius speech. Yeah, you know, you
might just lay down an incredible speech that has such

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great mana that everyone follows behind you. Let's and you
get there and then and then you make that sale.

Speaker 13 (57:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
A couple of ideas for replacement among all chutzpa, chutzpa, Gusto.
I like Gusto, but a gusto, mate, Yeah, I haven't.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
I have not heard the word gusto for a very
long time. I think that's the word my dad used
to I think my dad used toy Gusto and struth
a lot.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
I want to bring back stru Yeah, bring that back.

Speaker 28 (57:37):
Get a Neil, Hey, guys, Yeah, A couple more words
I guess come to mind.

Speaker 20 (57:44):
For me.

Speaker 28 (57:44):
It's self confidence and arrogant. I've got three names, but
you've already spoken about Michael Jordan's the other two that
comes to mind for me Runnie O. Sullivan and Kelly Slater. Ye,
with the arrogance and the self confidence. And he'd go
out there and just he'd wipe the table with these
players and he'd speak about it, says, no, they's nothing

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to me.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Yeah, yeah, very true. But he got results. I mean well,
we know who he is and he was very successful.

Speaker 28 (58:14):
Yeah, of course, Kelly Slater totally focused, you know, seven
times world champion. And in interviews with him as well,
the same thing came, you know, very self confident, bordering
on arrogant because that was focus on winning those world championships.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
What was Ronnie O'Sullivan the snooker player?

Speaker 28 (58:31):
Yeah, mate, yeah, hey, can.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
You remember something because this has been eating me up inside.
When I was a kid, I used to watch a
snooker player because the snooky used to be on the
TV and my dad loved it. He played with a snooker.
But who was the guy that had the massive glasses
that were they were like upside upside down glasses and
they sort of took up his whole face.

Speaker 28 (58:51):
Yeah, that was the irishman who'd be And of course
the name is going to escape.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
It's been escaping me.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Dennis Taylor.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Dennis Taylor, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 13 (59:01):
But on the most of the.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Kelly Slater is a good one because Kelly to a
lot of people. If you see Kelly's later and a
lot of people would know what he looks like, even
if they don't know he's a world class surfer. Probably
the best surfer of all time. But he would come
across and interviews as a very laid back guy, very
nice guy, friendly to those around him, but hid that
ultra competitiveness. No, we're not hit it. Clearly everyone could

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tell when he got on the water he was uber competitive,
but he didn't make that part of his personality when
he was doing interviews, did he.

Speaker 28 (59:33):
No, he's well, you know, the line is beware of
wolf and sheep's clothing. So yeah, yeah, I've got a
question when he jumped in the water.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Absolutely, Neil, I've got a question for you in terms
of mongrel. Did did Richard Low have too much mongrel?
Former all back?

Speaker 28 (59:51):
Yeah, he was just a clown.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Score a try. The elbow arrives about three minutes after.

Speaker 28 (01:00:00):
The mists clouded over, and I think Paul will appeart
for that. And if you remember that, what happened with
Paul was that that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
The elbow elbow after the try, like about thirty seconds
after the try. Yeah, yeah, so I guess that's the thing, read, mister,
is the thing. There's a difference between mongrel and letting
red miss take over, because when you let the anger
take over, then you make terrible decisions. Yeah, so there
is a bit of a difference.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Yeah, got on your kneel, but on the you know,
on the confidence thing, and when you're someone like Liam
or you're you're someone who's running a very successful business,
there comes a point where you've got to back yourself
and a lot of people would call that arrogance, but
you you know, you come to the point and everyone
who's successful in business, I think at one point in
time would have done that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
They said what Liam Lawson said, Well, we're not here
to make friends. We're here to get the job done.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
And go further than that. I don't care what you say.
We're doing what I want to do. And if you
don't like that, there's the door.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
But what about people like Steve Jobs, for example? I
read that fantastic or a biography on his very successful,
very flawed individual and let's be honest, a bit of
a dick, but very successful.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Says the man with three Apple products.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Yeah, exactly. That's a very good point.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
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Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
Thank you, ray Lean. It is twenty five to three.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
We're talking about mongrels. Somehow we also ended up talking
about Dennis Taylor, the North Northern Irish professional snooker player
who won the World Snooker Champion at nineteen eighty five.
People that remember him, I remember him from TV when
I was a kid, but massive glasses that went halfway
up as forehead. This text of nine two ninety two said, Hi, guys,
I once played Dennis Taylor and we went for dinner. Afterwards.

(01:02:56):
I played a few shots in his glasses. The guy
was seriously shortsighted.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
That's why I love talkbaut fantastic Luke. How are you
get a Luke? I might have lost loc Wali come.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Back and looked a bit more mongrel on the phone.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Yeah, yeah, you'll come back to Luke get a Johnny.

Speaker 26 (01:03:15):
Oh yes, I'm quite interested in this because I go
to quite a few meetings with that agency ording a Tamadiki,
and quite often I have to bring up the mongrels
to hold fast and stand up for my rights. It's
to do with rhetoric that people run a narrative, and

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sometimes people get stuck on continuing narratives to win their cases.
So it's important to be able to hold grounds and
hold fast without actually giving your power away or flipping
the bird or throwing the chain across the room, which
is unfortunately what they're expecting and hoping often so that

(01:03:56):
they can just have a gotcha moment and say, hey,
you know, see that guy is a problem.

Speaker 29 (01:04:02):
So buying into narratives and dynamics is what often leads
to these these issues. Whether you're in a sports team,
you're in social work, or whether you're John McEnroe in
the crowds are giving you the finger.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Yeah, because because when anger takes over from mongrel, then
that's when problems. You don't make great decisions when you're angry.
Just to punish you with some more philosophy, as Marcus
Aurelia said in Meditations, how much more damaged anger does
than the things that cause it. So when Mongrel goes
over to anger and the red mist comes down, that's
when you make bad decisions and things get worse.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Well, what about that that very great movie Dodgeball Patches
o'hula han.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
The final gat you gotta get angry.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
And they came through. But no, it's a few point
you made, Johnny, that there's a difference there between seeing
that red mist and having that focus and competitive nature
and zeroing in. I mean, your brain almost becomes a
calculator for someone like Liam Lawson, right, is that he's
not angry. He is super focused.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
He was angry when he'd foot the bird though, I
would say.

Speaker 29 (01:05:04):
Yeah, and we've also got our DNA to answer to
as well, because our parents' behavior and idiosyncrasies also passed
on to us.

Speaker 12 (01:05:14):
It's it's it's just.

Speaker 29 (01:05:15):
A fact the life that we have to compensate for
our own our own problems and try and make up for.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Good, cool, Johnny, thanks for that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Yep, nice one. Luke Well, I think we got your
back mate.

Speaker 13 (01:05:28):
Yeah, can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:05:31):
Yeah, Tyler, Matt, Hey, Matt, thanks so much for bringing
in Vestibule over for on Hold Fridays. I'm really appreciative. Yeah,
that call, it just said exactly what I was thinking, Like,
you've got to be like monge or so to use
the term, if you if you're doing it to yourself

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that's fine, and if you do that enough, you'll set
a great example for people to follow you and you
won't let that that red miss come over. So if
you if you're hard on yourself, if you've got temperance
to train, like Richie mccare, you train hard. He knew
the rule so well, but he pushed himself. He was
mungrel on himself to get to that stage. Yeah, and

(01:06:12):
we looked up to him, but he didn't go around
flipping the bow or dropping the elbow after a tri score.
And that's why we go so much respect.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
I think, well, that's there's a text through on nine
two nine two here. So does Lisa Carrington, Dame Lisa Carrington,
Great New Zealander. I love her. Does she have mongol
or is she just quietly confident? Because when you see
her racing that concentration, her head is straighter than everyone else's.
Every movement, it's per perfect. You'd never see a sports

(01:06:41):
person with more focus than Dame Lisa Carrington.

Speaker 13 (01:06:43):
In the boat and she's only being a mongol to herself,
really pushing that, pushing yourself and that's that's where you
get to respect them. And people followed it eventually yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Might flip someone off with a paddle though, because you're you.

Speaker 13 (01:06:56):
Know that's never gonna work.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
She would have time to though. I mean, she's winning
by that that margin that she could pull up with
ten seconds of spear and start flipping the bird. But
she's not that sort of person.

Speaker 13 (01:07:06):
She's got enough time to stand up in her break
a pell and haven't start doings.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Make it come to you and have a ginger biscuit.
I mean, she's that good. Luke, you're a good man.
Thank you very much. Oh e one hundred and eighty
ten eighty quick texts akaday, Guys, I'm listening to you
on iHeart so sorry if I'm repeating, but I think
when it comes to being a winner, an elite athlete
or a successful businessman, you need that mongrel in you,

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the mental ability to fight through all the ball that
goes with the negative. Liam has held himself together so
well in all these years leading up to this moment,
leaving home at an early age to face the big leagues.
He has got it. Yeah good text.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think we're really focusing on the
other part of, you know, of his statement, which was
that I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to
do a job, because I think going forward he'll probably
flip less people off because that was probably letting his
emotions take over. As cool as I thought it was
because it was three hundred and fifty kilometers an hour. Yeah,
I thought that was a cool thing to do. Though

(01:08:08):
I'm against road rage out on the streets, but I
thought it was a cool thing to do. But in
terms of mongrel, that's not really mongrel unless you're using
it to get inside someone's head. That's probably letting the
red mistake over a little bit. Yeah, and going forward,
I imagine he would be saying to himself, no, keep
concentrating on just what I've got to do. And that's

(01:08:29):
really what he means about that, I'm not here to
make friends.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Well, the flip side of that would be Nick Kurrios, Right,
that's good tennis player arguably. I mean that the one
with the most potential that hasn't won anythink of none.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Arguably or not.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
Yeah, so he is a bad boy that hasn't really
achieved much in the world of you know, not at
the elite level. Let them we red mis get to him. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
This is a great text. Michael Jones, the nicest guy
off the field, a man of faith who gave to
others on the field through his tackling. Yeah, the best
in my opinion, Ice Man, A lot of mone are there?

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Oh here YEA nine two ninety two is the text number.
It is eighteen minutes three.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Matt Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on Matt
Adams Afternoons us talk.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Said, be very good afternoon. It is sixteen minutes to three.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
We're talking about mongrel. We're talking about mongrel and sport
and in the workplace until you need it. We've got
a text on nineteen nineteen that says you are conflating
good character with arrogance, and maybe we are because mongrel,
if it's random and it's churlish or it's vengeful, is
not really what we're talking about. It's about focus, man.

(01:09:41):
It's probably a pretty good word for it. And I
would say that Liam Lawson was Yeah, as I was
saying before, he was he wasn't living up to what
he'd want to be with the flipping people off. As
much as I thought it was cool, you know, yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:09:56):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Is a purpose and resolve and dedication and you know,
sticking up for yourself and the people around you, you know,
holding your holding your corner, that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
But the whether you call it arrogance or you call it,
you know, a Macavelian streak, none of us think that
that's good character. That's that's the complete opposite of good character.
But that if people are so inclined to turn on
people close to them, to be a bit Macaveelian, a
bit manipulative, they can get ahead, but it's not a

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good way to get.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
I've seen that in companies that have worked for where
people have been saying things to your face and being successful,
but operating games in the background, running strategies working against you,
not towards the same cause. Because you can get ahead
and you can get in front of someone as long
as you're better than them and you work harder than
them and you're straight up, that's great. But we don't

(01:10:54):
like this the caniver. No, we don't like the sneak.
I'm trying to think of the name of the lion
and the lion king Scar, Scar do the old Scar Chris.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
How are you mates?

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
I was just thinking about sportsmans that could be like that.
And my two ones I thought of was that would
the lethal on that would be Michael Schumacher yep. And
Stephen Henry.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Yeah. Yeah, well Schumacher, I mean, I might have been
a little bit young. Clearly, you know when I when
he was doing his thing, he was the greatest, if
one driver of all time. And people might argue with that,
and it's a very sad end to what's happened to
Michael Schumacher. But at the time, my you know, looking
back and again I was I was, I was young then,
but I remember that he was a polite German. That

(01:11:53):
was kind of my my impression of Michael Schumacher. But
clearly he had that mangrel in him, and perhaps he
is kind of you know, Liam Lawson is perhaps a
little bit like Michael Schumacher. Nice guy, but when he's
in that car, he changes into go mode.

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
Yeah, I'm gonna win, I'm gonna win, I'm going to win.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Scuffia yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Off the field, I read an interview with Stephen Henry
though the snooker players, a snooker player, and he said
that people used to get under his skin. People could
say stuff to him and they could, they could take
him off off off his game a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
Chris, Yeah, I agree, kind of.

Speaker 5 (01:12:33):
He was a litha in his time. He was lethal,
the best of the best.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Lethal. I love that word lethal when it comes to snoker.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Lethal on the snooker table. I mean, that's that's I mean,
the margins and snooker are phenomenal. You have to keep
your call in that game because we're talking millimeters of
millimeters making differences. And yeah, I mean in terms of
levels of school skill and a sport snooker and levels
of intelligence required to play that game. Yeah, I mean
it's hard to compare any other sport to that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
I'm gonna have to score myself up on snooker.

Speaker 30 (01:13:04):
Jimmy boy, how are you, Matey Maddie Chyler. Some guys
look Lisa Carrington, she'll bring it out that mongrel when
she's ready, and it's like a lot and wee Liam Law,
some lovely kid.

Speaker 18 (01:13:21):
Mate.

Speaker 30 (01:13:21):
He'll do what things when he need to do it.
You know, you've got a mongrel like bloody Keith Murdoch, mate,
he was born a mongrel. Hit had Richard Lower Breakfast mate.

Speaker 7 (01:13:34):
That guy, remember him?

Speaker 30 (01:13:36):
And then you got the likes of Mike Tyson. You know,
there's a time and a place to use that kind
of and it can be bad, you know. I mean
I heard you talk about Jones and he was such
the most loveliest rugby guy you could ever meet. Met
him once or twice, the most handsome, lovely guy. And

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yet but I wouldn't melt in his mouth. But when
he's there to do a job, you're there to do it,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
To me talking about Michael Jones, I had a friend
that's he was walking down K Road and he saw
a fight and he saw someone being beaten up on
K Road and then he saw someone running towards the
fight to sort it out. And he recognized who it
was from the way he run where he ran because
he'd watched him play so much, And it was Michael Jones.
Had gotten out of his car and run across the

(01:14:26):
road and put his hands between the two of them
and he broke up a fight, and he was I've
just seen the most amazing thing. Michael Jones has just
come and sorted out a problem. Yeah that had nothing
to do with him. That's what a great man he.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Was, and the sweetest way possible. But just on Mike Tyson. Jimmy,
I mean, I get to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Too much Mongreland and Mike Tyson has I've listened to
a lot of interviews with him, and he can't even
imagine the guy that he was at that point because
he was basically treated like a dog to make him
rabbit exactly and turn him into a killing machine. And
that obviously, you know, he ended up in prison and
he had had a lot of problems, and now you
know he's preparing for this fight that's coming up, and

(01:15:06):
that Mongrel's coming back a little bit. You see him
and press conferences and talking. He's starting to talk like
he did before.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
I feel some pigeons that he calmed down a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
We found a lot of weed and some you know,
some cactus. But yeah, it's almost like the demons coming
back into him a little bit, which is kind of
a little bit terrifying to see.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Yeah, Jimmy, thank you very much. Mates. It is nine
minutes to three back for sure that you're listening to
Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 7 (01:15:35):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons You for twenty twenty
four you talk ZB News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
We're going to finish with James get James Hi.

Speaker 6 (01:15:48):
Yeah, talking about mongol sports back in the days when
I'll watching probably when I have my eyes side, I
mean VA supercars, it was definitely a lot of amongom occasionally.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Yeah, absolutely a specific driver you can think of.

Speaker 6 (01:16:06):
Well, there's a couple of incidents where drives got him
to punch up with each other. Yeah, And the one
I most remember is I think it was Tony Perkins.
He got into an incident with one guy one race
and they ended up going into the wall. And when
the guy came round again and the next time round,

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Perkins boys his helmet the guys he.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Went to us exactly. Yeah, that's that's some Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
We've got Darcy Wattergraph here. He knows all about mongrel
and sport. But I think as people have been texting through,
you might be looking at grit or mana or X factor,
determination focus, maybe a better words and mongrel. What do
you think in sport, Darcy? Is it is mongrel. The
key is a.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Fine line between mongrel and out.

Speaker 19 (01:16:53):
Mount violence, and no one wants that. If you can
stand on that line, if you can tippy toe on
that line. So people are very aware that you would
almost do anything. If you are aware that you will
push the boundaries, They're going to keep very focused on you,
aren't they. So I think that's where the mongol comes
into it, because if you start degrading yourself by putting

(01:17:14):
a boot in and putting the slipperund doing what they
used to do in rugby union back in the day,
in rugby league, well it's tim camera, it's not's going
to happen. But when we were talking motorsport before, it's
the same thing. Liam Lawson came out and I've been
talking about this the last couple of days. It's lovely
to hear him say this. He's getting all sorts of
grief for one hundred and twenty eight million Mexicans don't
particularly like. The whole population of.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Spain think he's horrible as well.

Speaker 19 (01:17:37):
But as he pointed out, because I'm not here to
make friends, I don't want to make enemies, but I'm
not here to make friends.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
I'm here to win, and that's it.

Speaker 19 (01:17:44):
And some of the best riders, the best drivers in history,
have been swined. They will do anything to win. Michael Schumacher,
one of my favorite. Don't read auto bigaries or biographies
on Schoemacher. He'll be so depressed. And you had the
Senner and Prist fights, Mate, they were absolutely ruthless, because
that's what separates the winners from everybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
We'll speaking of winners, the all Blacks, the the English.
Who has more mongrel? That's a good question.

Speaker 19 (01:18:17):
Because old Marla's not playing, is he? So there's there's
no there's no mongrel bear. I don't think mongrel even
comes into it and rugby these days, there there are
some process on the all black side that have got
the ability maybe to get a bit tuwey for one
of a better phrase. But I think when it comes
if you equating the mongrel with out and out strength

(01:18:39):
and drive, I think you've got to look at some
of the all blacks there and what they can. But
I'm an all black fan. I'm not going to turn
around and go.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
John England get in there and get them.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
But yeah's a.

Speaker 19 (01:18:49):
Fine line, Guy's a fine line.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
And we're broadcasting live on news Talks there b Darce
Elliot Smith with the call.

Speaker 19 (01:18:55):
Our Voice of Rugby. I remember when he rolled into
the studio back in the days.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
At Radio Sport.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Young fella at a gannery. He's got good.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
Chat, Darcy, Thank you very much mate. Minutes to three
after three o'clock it's New Zealander of the Week. Time
we'll catch a.

Speaker 7 (01:19:13):
Suit talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons New for twenty twenty
four News Talk Zaibbi.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Happy Friday afternoon, three o'clock, almost at the end of
the working week for most. Hopefully that you thank you
very much for your company has always met in Tyler
with you. Very shortly and about half an hour's time,
we are going to do topical tunes and hopefully you
know the drill why now where? That's where me and Matt,
or Matt and I each pick a song of our
choosing related to what we think is the theme of

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the week news wise.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Yeah, getting thirsty. Hey, can I just say something just
a little bit off topic?

Speaker 9 (01:19:51):
He geez.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Is there any moment in your life that makes you
more proud than when your kid is going to their
school ball in the final year of their school There's
something about that moment. I've never been there before. You're
a proud dad now, I'm a proud dad. I was
just talking to my son. I'm on the phone before
about heading off towards all. You know those pictures, the
glass of bubbles, you know, stand on.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
The first event, the verse black tigh event.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Me having the bubbles or the pictures are taken with
your with your kids all dressed up nicely and behaving
like adults.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Hopefully has he got a limo limo taking him to
the ball? Maybe not that American tacky Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Going on the limo? No, no getting dropped off in
the imagine.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Yeah, that's nice. Now, very shortly we're going to have
a chat about fake grass. It's rising in popularity in
New Zealand. And this is off the back of a
post I saw on Reddit about fake grass popularity in
New Zealand, and I'll read some of it here said
why is fake grass so popular here in New Zealand?
The stuff leeches micro plastics and looks ugly, last about

(01:20:57):
a year, then starts to fall apart and get moldy.
I don't get it. And the comments underneath tend to
agree with this poster fake grass. They can't understand the popularity,
and I agree, I don't understand why so many people
are going for fake grass over real grass.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Well, it depends what fake grass you get are getting.
If you're getting budget fake grass that you just pull
off a roll at a at a hardware store, that's
one thing. But if you're getting a professional grass installer
to come in and install, install it grass and stall that,
then you can get fantastic fake grass that you'd be
hard pressed to tell the difference. The only way you're

(01:21:33):
going to tell the difference is that it looks so
beautifully green and free from thistles and weas. I don't
run fake grass because I find mowing the lawns meditative
and it makes me feel powerful to do at.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Least feel like a man mowing the grass.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
To do at least one thing handy that I can
easily pull off. But I've been around friends houses with
fake grass and it looks phenomenal and lasts and lasts
and lasts.

Speaker 26 (01:22:02):
Look.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
I get that the technology has come a long way
in terms of synthetic grass. I still just can't understand
the idea of having plastic grass because it is plastic, right, Well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Yeah, I mean, there's there's different types of what it's
made out of, you know, let's not get into the
weeds of it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Because yeah, but if you care about what your lawn
looks like, then surely having real is the ultimate.

Speaker 31 (01:22:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
That's I see these guys on Facebook and their lawns
look immaculate because they spend thousands of dollars making sure
that they've got the right nutrients that they mowor the
right length that they get the lines in.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Therel I decided to make the greatest lawn of all time.
I made it a goal, and I dug the lawn up,
and then I killed everything, and then I dug it
up again and killed everything so you don't have anything
going through, so even under the ground, there's no possible
weeds that come through. And then I laid the grass
down and I grew the most beautiful lawn to the

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point where the person that mows our lawns ops have
just revealed something. I like the idea that I make
my lawns. But at this point, the person that was
bowing the lawns said, that is the best goddamn lawn
I've ever seen, changes goddamn lawn I've ever seen. But
then the weeds started coming through, and within a year,
my best lawn in the entire world was horrific. It

(01:23:24):
was a It was one of the most just disappointing
things in the world. How that amazing lawn that I'd
spent so much time plowing over and turning into this
amazing thing. You know, I deployed some serious chemicals onto
that lawn to kill everything.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Bit you didn't and it looked good because it was real.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
But then nature will find a way, and then the
thistles come through, and the and the weirdest, the weirdest
possible kinds of plants you wouldn't even know what they
were start coming through. So I can totally see the
attraction to a fake lawn.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
Right if you've got a fake lawn, synthetic grass, love
to hear from from you, oh eight hundred and eighty
teen eighty, try and convince me why it is such
a good idea, because I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
And just quick question, when is the Matt and Tyler
Afternoons New Zealander of the Week being announced?

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
Wow, funny you mentioned that because it is eleven past three.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
News Talk said, be every Friday on Matt and Tyler Afternoons,
we name the new Zealander of the week, an honor
that we bestow on your behalf to a newsmaker who
has had an outsized effect on our great and beautiful
nation over the past seven days. As always, there'll be
three nominees, but only one winner. And remember, like the

(01:24:38):
Time magazine Person of the Year, the New Zealander of
the Week isn't always an agent of good. So without
further messing around, the nominees for Matt and Tyler Afternoons
New Zealander of the Week are Nominee one also receives
the Pointless Social Media own Goal Award. She compared King
Charles Pants to Lady Parts with a social media repost,

(01:24:58):
and all she got was two likes and a whole
heap of trouble. Laborist MP Jenny Anderson, delete the apps
from your phone. You have been nominated for New Zealander
of the Week.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
How I Jenny pack it up?

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Nomine two also gets the Irony Award. He mentioned that
sometimes people who are down seek comfort in a drink
and everyone freaked out and is still putting the boot
in on his very own gun boot day forgetting a
charity kicking. When you're using kicks for charity, Mike King,
you are nominated for New Zealander of the Week, but
there can be only one Matton Tyler Afternoons New Zealand

(01:25:32):
of the Week, and the winner also receives the six
sixty Don't Forget your Roots Award. You can take the
driver out of New Zealand, but you can't take flipping
off other drivers out of the Kiwi. For staying true
to your hastings and pookakoy roots and rightfully showing a
three hundred kilometer an our middle finger to an unreasonable driver,
you Lim Lawson, Ah the Matt and Tyler Afternoons New

(01:25:56):
Zealander of the Week away, Ali Morrison. Congratulations with liamb
you are the best of us.

Speaker 32 (01:26:05):
Give him a taste kereweed. God bless and God speed.
You're gonna take the key this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Boy, very good afternoon to you. We're talking about the
rise and popularity of synthetic grass fake grass. It has
become a big thing in New Zealand and Matt you
mentioned before the technology has improved quite drastically in terms
of the old plastic turf that we remember. I still

(01:26:43):
don't get it. I still don't understand why it's so popular,
Why so many people are going for the synthetic grass
over real change my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Yeah, Well, someone just said, look, surely there's something more important.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
Who's that's that? That's a that's a fake grass guy,
And I've got your quote ready.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Poor Matt to Winness ringing me during my show. It's
the number professional broadcast would have had had some of
his devices off. I thought I did. But anyway, someone said,
surely there's something more important and interesting in the world
to talk about than fake grass.

Speaker 24 (01:27:14):
Wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
It's the most important topic in the entire world. Nothing
comes close right now in New Zealand than fake grass.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
Exactly, Warren, Are you someone who has purchased some fake grass,
some synthetic grass?

Speaker 31 (01:27:28):
Yeah, well that was the first thing, Tyler. I was
just going to correct you on calling it fake grass.
Is a bit of an anomaly, really, Yeah, we're talking
about synthetic turf and not so much purchase, but we've
installed plenty of it. So we've been in the construction,
landscape and ground screw alternative foundation game for a long time.
And I can put you a lawn down with real grass.

(01:27:51):
I can put you a lawn down with synthetic turf.
It's all about the circumstances in the right place, and
there are plenty of places that you will never ever
grow normal grass. It'll be full of weeds, moss, moisture,
crap for Africa, mate, And that's when you need some
good quali the synthetic turfs. And so there's plenty of
rubbish on the market. We've only ever purchased and installed

(01:28:14):
good quality brand and it will last well longer than
your lawnmow.

Speaker 9 (01:28:19):
Well, that's for.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Sure, Warren. Is there a hybrid option.

Speaker 31 (01:28:25):
A hybrid option of the grass fake and no particularly yeah, no, no,
not particularly. You can have some in your front lawn
and different in your back. But honestly, synthetic turfs like
there is such a high quality variety. We only use
the Tigers brand because we've never had troubles with it.
You can you can get stuff there that that you

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can have like little dead looking bits in it that
can be luscious green. You can have a bucketload of
different colors. We put you an orange or a blue
one and if you wanted to So, yeah's it sounds
to me like you've kind of never been outside a
lot tyler the.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
Way you're talking about it.

Speaker 31 (01:29:05):
So's a very good quality products that are absolutely fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Okay, quick couple of questions for your Warren. So say
I've got ten square meters in my lawn at the
moment that i want some synthetic grass on. I've got
a dog who's got a very weak bladder loves to
urinates on this, this synthetic lawn. What product is going
to put up with that sort of abuse for more
than a year.

Speaker 31 (01:29:33):
Yeah, again, good quality synthetic turf. Now what you'll notice
if your dog is actually real and it does do
that to you, you'll actually notice that we are heap
of dead patches on your grass lawn that you've got
to keep manufacturing and bringing back to life. Yep, and
so yep, clearly. Yeah, I mean we live in Auckland.
We get enough rain and so you never get too
much of a smell problem hanging around. But it does

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not deteriorate or kill your synthetic turf.

Speaker 4 (01:29:58):
Warre.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
I've got a question here from Anna. She says, guys,
apologies for the dumb question. What about when you dog
wheeze on the lawn or worse?

Speaker 31 (01:30:08):
Yeah, well, again, no problems. I mean, because you're picking
up your doggie doos no matter where you go, or
you should be. So you do it out there, kick
a bit of water on it with a hose at all. Great,
so everything drains through. It's not like it sits there
and pools or anything. So fantastic product in our world.
And again we just assess where it needs to go,

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whether you're better with the real grass. If you know
where space make, we'll put you a rye grass lawn
in or some tall fescue and you look after it.

Speaker 7 (01:30:39):
And it's great.

Speaker 31 (01:30:40):
You've got places that you need synthetic to earth. It's
the best thing because you'll never grow grass there properly
and no maintenance, easy care.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
What style is the big seller worm? What's what's the
one that people go for the most?

Speaker 31 (01:30:53):
Yeah, it's interesting, Actually there's a It's the one that
looks kind of the most sort of luscious green. It's
not my favorite, to be honest. I like the one
that looks a little more sort of total authentic. There's
a few little brown bits in it, and it looks
more like a genuine lawn. And from honestly, from ten
meters away, you couldn't tell it from real grass, real

(01:31:15):
manicured grass. But a lot of people like there's the
one called end that the Tiger dev brand has got
one called Envy, and it's just a super luscious green
and people most people tend to like that.

Speaker 25 (01:31:28):
That just that that absolute.

Speaker 31 (01:31:31):
Picture green look. I kind of liked the two little
brown spicks a little bit more.

Speaker 25 (01:31:36):
But there's a variety of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
But what about the smell of fresh cut grass. You know,
the feel of grass in your hands and on your feet,
the grass stains with the kids in the backyard cricket.
You can't get that stuff was synthetic.

Speaker 31 (01:31:50):
No, And that's again what I'm saying, the right right
product for the right situation. If you would prefer to
go to the beach on the weekend and knock it
out and mow your lawn and drag the grass inside
and had that smell everywhere, then you'll put a synthetic
tear flowing down. I'm a grass fan. I love it.
I love mowing, and I love lay a pristine and

(01:32:10):
sewing and watch and grow a real grass lawn. But
there's places that that it's just completely inappropriate or it's
just a personal choice because people don't want to hassle.
I mean, you can get your property into the place
where you don't own the lawn mower and you don't
pay a lawnmower person to come and do your lawn.
That's definitely a spray and walk away deal.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
So now, Warren, I, because you're an expert on this,
So I was saying, before I dug up my lawn,
I did everything with it, turned it over and then
killed everything, and then left it, then turned it over again,
and then followed the exact instructions and planted the lawn.
And it was the most amazing thing ever, and even
got that stuff that was supposed to kill the weeds

(01:32:52):
but not the grass. But before I even knew it, it
was the most ugly lawn I'd ever seen in my life.
And it was worse than when I started. What did
I do wrong there, Warren?

Speaker 31 (01:33:01):
You didn't put down an two floor and there.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
You're a good man warrant. Sorry, you came serious.

Speaker 31 (01:33:09):
And this is what I would do, Like if I
was putting my own grass down, which I've done plenty
on plenty of our properties over the years, I will
literally spray out an area for twelve months because you
get different grasses and different weeds that seed at different seasons,
you'll get summer grasses, winter grasses, flat grasses. So you've
got to go through a whole twelve months of spraying

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that out to try and do your best. And then
you will put a really tall fence up so that
no birds ever flew over your lawn and crapped on it.
And you would put a wall up to stop any
seeds blowing in from the neighbor's place.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
Yeah. So, and you're saying, Tyler, you know the synthetic nature,
it's not natural. But when I was trying to grow
a great lawn on the amount of chemicals I deployed
to try and make it a great lawn, surely we're
not good for the environment.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
I'm getting closer to understanding the popularity. Go one hundred
and eighty ten eighty. Thank you very much, Warren, very
good salesperson. Warren nineteen nine ten is the text number.
It's twenty four past three.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call on youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Good afternoon, twenty six past three. We're talking about fake
grass or synthetic grass. Mike, are you a fan or no?

Speaker 11 (01:34:23):
Yeah, I'm a total fan. We've got two properties and
we've got synthetic grass and both of them. One of
our properties is a bench place, and the quality of
the soil and betside places is normally pretty low. We
looked down, but he did he did what you guys

(01:34:44):
did you know? He was preparing his lawn and moment
and all the sort of chemicals are to it and forever.
It looked terrible all the time. And we're got to
that and no, we're not doing that. Let's get some
synthetic to if we went to this company, never know,
they had a whole selection of different products that and

(01:35:07):
we've got this sort of with a sort of fleck
of brown in it. It looks exactly sort of like
the grass in the area. But instead's great for the dogs.
I mean one was talking about the dogs were on it.
You never see anything that they do all this stuff.
Never have a problem with that.

Speaker 12 (01:35:27):
We just like it.

Speaker 11 (01:35:28):
And you know, I want to go to the beach
and go fishing or go swimming, or I don't want
to be mown my lawns. It's perfect for it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
How big are you lawns, Mike? How big are your
synthetic lawns.

Speaker 11 (01:35:42):
At the beach. They're pretty big. I've also got a
little town house in Auckland and we actually have a
pretty small area and we'll put turf in there as well.
Since they get turf in there and you know, then
we don't have to worry about, you know, getting motor
mars and I having to you know, most people on
orkand that have got ten twenty square meters of land.

(01:36:04):
I mean, who wants to have a lawn mower for that?

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
And was it expensive?

Speaker 11 (01:36:11):
And use it for ten seconds and it's all done?

Speaker 8 (01:36:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Exactly was it expensive?

Speaker 9 (01:36:16):
Mi?

Speaker 11 (01:36:19):
Look, it wasn't. I would say it wasn't cheap. But
if I think about the amount of time I'm absolutely
hopeless in the garden. So if I think about the
amount of time that I would have spent turning into
a lawn, trying to get it to look perfect and
trying to maintain it in perfect position, I think, you know,
synthetic turf is as a bargain really on that basis so.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
Genuine question, Mike. Is our property down in christ it's
fairly close to the beach and as you say, the soil,
it was quite hard to get a good lawn there,
so I kind of gave up. It was an okay lawn,
but it didn't look that slightly. But it's about I
mean taking the house out of the equation. We're talking
about three hundred and fifty square meters. That to me
seems very expensive to put down artificial lawn.

Speaker 11 (01:37:04):
Well again, we would have done probably hard after that,
probably close to that. Once it's down, you never have
to really look after it again, right, so, you know,
and it looks you know, we've got quality synthetic grass.
It's not rubbishy stuff. There's some rubbishy stuff out there,
you know, the local tennis courts, and now it's they've

(01:37:27):
put the cheapest of the cheap stuff. And I see,
you know, it's taken about five years and it needs
to be totally replaced. Our place we've had five years.
It still looks like what it looks like women's stall.
It looks beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:37:42):
Yeah, thanks very much. No, you made a good call. Yeah,
thank you. We're going to get to the headlines. It
is twenty nine past three.

Speaker 7 (01:37:53):
You talk, there'd be headlines with blue bubble tax is.

Speaker 18 (01:37:56):
It's no trouble with the blue bubble. The Public Service
Association's accusing the government of ignoring evidence and cuts to
the Mardi Crown Relations Office. It says forty percent of
roles are being slashed, which it says amounts to a
breach of tatility Alwai Tangi obligations. The Ministry of Health
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can find out at inzen Heral Premium. Back now to
matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
Thank you very much, Raylen. And we're talking about artificial
turf or lawns. Can I Deborah, how are you?

Speaker 27 (01:39:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:39:20):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Are you a fan of the artificial turf?

Speaker 33 (01:39:23):
I am now. I got a little puppy seven years
ago and came art sell a tray with the artificial
turf on top, and I taught my little dog o
to We were on.

Speaker 28 (01:39:34):
The grass and poodle on the grass.

Speaker 33 (01:39:36):
And we never have any accidents anywhere. And you can
wash it out, it's perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
Oh, so you can pack that lawn up and wash
it out, or your hoes get down.

Speaker 24 (01:39:43):
Where it is.

Speaker 33 (01:39:44):
Hey, you can pack it up and hope it out.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
As a dog fan and a dog lover, Deborah, can
I ask you what type of dog you got there?

Speaker 28 (01:39:52):
I've got a whisty pose.

Speaker 33 (01:39:53):
So she's a cross between a West Thailand terrier and
a sweet poodle.

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
Oh lovely.

Speaker 33 (01:39:58):
Got the terrier naughtiness and the poodle intelligence and know
how to get away with it.

Speaker 28 (01:40:02):
Name copezz.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
Dog Bears.

Speaker 34 (01:40:08):
You're good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
The top is listening.

Speaker 33 (01:40:11):
Yeah, she's listening.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
Official lawn having a world of its time.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
Good doggy Topaz, you're a good dog.

Speaker 33 (01:40:18):
Yeah, you've got them on a couple of places and
like I here at the back, or if I take
her away to a stranger's house, take it with me
and have no worries. It's just going to peel or
poodle on someone's on someone's carpet.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
So hang on. This is a portable this is a
portable patch of lawn. You're taking it wherever you go. Yeah, yeah, oh,
well you've got a situation very well.

Speaker 33 (01:40:40):
Yeah, it's got like a little drainage train then a
capture try.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
But you're running a wider real lawn.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
Are you.

Speaker 33 (01:40:47):
Ah, yeah, we are. We are real lawn wider.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
But yeah, but Topez isn't interested, not interested in soiling
the real lawn.

Speaker 33 (01:40:58):
No, she'd just go on the on the artificial grass
and loves it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
Loves it artificial.

Speaker 33 (01:41:04):
Yeah, loves it artificial and you can wash it out
so there's no smelly ey.

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
Technology is getting good in Topez as a well trained dog,
lovely to check. Thank you very much. Hey you hamish.

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
Oh yeah, I just had to turn my lawna off good.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Man real lawn. So you're mowing an artificial lawn or
a real lawn.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
Well, I'm a lawn contractor. I've been my lawns all day.
Oh yes, So I don't want you guys pushing the
artifice get out of business.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
Yeah, good man, but.

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
No, I look after my lawn at home. It's apart
from the dog and the wife, and my lawn's my baby.
So you know, it's an ongoing it's an ongoing process.
You can't just sort of leave a lawn and walk
away from it and expect it to stay stay healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
Matt, Hey, I've got a question for you, Hamish. What's
the name of your business and are you looking for
for more clients?

Speaker 4 (01:42:01):
So I own a gym's mowing franchise and lower hut
and always looking for clients.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Okay, So is there a particular number people can ring
for you.

Speaker 4 (01:42:14):
To?

Speaker 29 (01:42:14):
One?

Speaker 4 (01:42:15):
Triple nine eight, one zero straight to me?

Speaker 3 (01:42:18):
Very good and real lawn all the way. So your
lawn at home, Hamish, must be amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:42:25):
Yeah, it's It's been straggling a little bit through winter,
so I'm just getting ready for a bit of a
renovation on it in the next week or two.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
Can you be bothered mowing your lawn when you get
home from mowing other people's lawns?

Speaker 7 (01:42:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
I do it because I I've got feelings for my lawn.
You know, I've invested money into it, so it's part.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
Of the family.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
Yeah, you're in a relationship with your lawn.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
What's the number one lawn tip? Do you get a
bit of air rating in there?

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
I do on my lawn for an aerating that a garifying.

Speaker 3 (01:43:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
Probably the biggest thing people do wrong is cut too short.
They want it cut once a month, and can you
cut it short?

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
What's what's your favorite type of lawn?

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
I love a good right myself, right Yeah, yeah, nice
color and that good tone.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
Yeah, but just just with the artificial stuff, I would
say from what I've seen, I'd do some gardening, gets
some property development. From what I've seen with the artificial stuff,
it does get weeds, so it's not again, it's not
just walk away from it. They do need looked after,
and they get hot because it's plastic, right, so they

(01:43:44):
get you can't lie on like you would a real lawn.

Speaker 23 (01:43:50):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Yeah, what do your thoughts on ccou you.

Speaker 4 (01:43:55):
If you buy the beach, it's great, but if you've
if you've got a footpath or anything else like the
house or you rug, then it could cause you some problems.

Speaker 3 (01:44:05):
And you know your grass aamers give them a buzz,
Josh mate, Hello, Hello, Now you want to talk about
artificial lawn or real lawn? Yeah, good man. What do
you like about real lawns?

Speaker 27 (01:44:19):
The cool partners that you get plant actual stuff instead
of senstive grass is just for decorations, yep. And real
grass you get to let your You can let your
dogs yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
They can't eat it, just like my.

Speaker 27 (01:44:35):
Dog used to eat grass and then pist it out.

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
Dogs love a bit of good grass.

Speaker 27 (01:44:41):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:44:41):
Certain.

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
What's what's the name of your dog, Josh, Andy, Indie.

Speaker 20 (01:44:47):
And do.

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
And what kind of dog is Indie?

Speaker 27 (01:44:51):
It is a black labrador?

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
Black labrador. Yeah, our labs love grass. They just love
to eat full stop, don't they.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
Indiana Jones, that was the name of the dog. That
wasn't Indiana Jones's real name. Do you know that? No?

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
It came out in the third Indiana Jones movie.

Speaker 3 (01:45:05):
And Josh, do you play a bit of backyard cricket
in the on the on the real lawn?

Speaker 27 (01:45:10):
I wish I don't own a crooked set, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
I do play.

Speaker 27 (01:45:14):
Basketball down at the park and there is real grass
at that place too or not?

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
Good man, Josh, thank you very much. Right, good chat.
I don't know if I'm convinced completely on the artificial grass.
Warren was very good, I've got to say, and and
a few others promoting it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
It depends where you are, Tyler, depends on the circumstances,
depends what your needs are, your goals in life are,
how much time you've got, what's important to you? Yeah, yeah,
I think there's I think we can we've got where
we can allow people to have the lawns that work
best for them without judging.

Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
Very diplomatically said right, it is time for topical tune,
so you know the drill, and if you don't, me
and Matt or Matt and I each pick a song
that we tied to what we believe was the theme
of the week or the story of the week. So
it is first to three votes, that is, who takes
it out? You took it out last week. I think
it was a down trap, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
It was a down last week? So I think it's
two to one, two to one at the moment to
me at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:46:13):
Yes, So the winner from last week goes first for
their pitch, so okay, take it away.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
All right, there, here's my topical tune. You may not
have noticed that the American president elections are on Carmela
versus Trump. I was hoping to hold off on the
song to announce it, but it started. America is the
most powerful nation in the world economically and militarily, arguably
culturally with the amount of focus we have on them,

(01:46:39):
so we have to We have two people that are
trying to rule the world. Hence my topical tune. And
what a tune it is. And it's been spoiled, but
here it is Tears. Everyone wants, everybody wants to rule
the world. What a song?

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
Yeah, right, but slow for a Friday, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
No? This is the driving This is a song that
was designed by Tears for fears. They went back and
record another song because it was perfect for radio. With
that driving Don is here it again. It's the ultimate
vehicle listening song. And it's so topical because the American
elections are on that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
You go, all right, So that's Matt's choice, my choice today.
Just before we play there just a small pitch, not
a massive pitch though, but one of the big stories
this week was more than eighty thousand students miss more
than three weeks of school in term two this year.
In the day that a lot of people hate in
the week is Monday. So here's my pick today.

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
It's a great tun Tyler Boomtown Rats. I mean it's
good when it gets the chorus. It's a bit.

Speaker 35 (01:47:48):
This is around a bit at the start, but the
d down.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
Ah, Come on, people, you know what you need to do.
Oh eight one hundred and eighty eighty. Yeah, yeah, keep playing, Andrew,
keep playing it. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Nine the text. Even though
we don't take texts, we still like to see them.
This one Tyler. I few are lose to this song.

(01:48:13):
Then you were dead to me from us give us
a buds first of three takes it out. It is
eighteen minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
Have a chat with the boys on eight hundred eighty
and Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty four News
Talk said be.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
Whoo here where we go? My favorite part of the week,
Tom very You're very thirsty was dog situation with the
topical tune.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
Because and we get competitive with this.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
I do and there's a beer for award, who wins?

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
You're real nervous?

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Okay, here's my song, best of three calls on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. The American elections are on.
Someone's trying to rule the world. So here we go
tears for fear that fears everyone wants. Everybody wants to
rule the world.

Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
Right, very good, Une, very good. And the big story
this week I think was about truancy. Still a big problem.
But nobody likes Monday. So here's my tune.

Speaker 2 (01:49:12):
Oka on the relevance to the topic and also the
quality of the change.

Speaker 3 (01:49:19):
First of three takes that med you Happy Friday.

Speaker 25 (01:49:24):
E Friday.

Speaker 9 (01:49:26):
You're the man.

Speaker 31 (01:49:27):
You're losing tips off the own man.

Speaker 13 (01:49:29):
I'm gonna go.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
It's gonna go to Meddy May, thank you May Meddy
or Meddy. That's one to me.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
Just three, let's go to Kevin. How you doing, I'm
doing very well.

Speaker 7 (01:49:41):
How are you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
You good?

Speaker 36 (01:49:43):
God?

Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
What do you got well?

Speaker 37 (01:49:45):
For the Matt and Tyler Afternoon Club, I've got to
go with I've got to go with Tyler. Yeah, it's
just the you know, you do realize that's actually a story.
The soul songs actually a story about a shooting in
a school in America, don't you?

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
I have heard that it doesn't for that topic at all?
Does just does a song for the.

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
Topic, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
One apiece, sit in the topical tune.

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
All right, let's go Greg, How you doing his names?
What do you reckon?

Speaker 9 (01:50:16):
Matt?

Speaker 33 (01:50:17):
Matte mate?

Speaker 4 (01:50:19):
To get away from things that you have no influence over?
Unfortunately none of us like Monday.

Speaker 6 (01:50:28):
So Tylie you're the man.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
Yeah, beauty, i'steah right. Two to me one to Matt's
O eight one hundred and eighty and eighty. If you
can't get through, keep trying, get a mic. Okay, phellows
Happy Friday. What are you thinking, mag man?

Speaker 28 (01:50:49):
I think Joe Biden still wants to rule the world.

Speaker 3 (01:50:54):
Yeah, very good. So you're picking man with Maddy? A
nice one, all two apiece? All right, it all comes
down to the next caller.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
I don't know if Joe Biden is ruling anything at
the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
James, Mate, it all comes down to you, buddy. No
apprecia wakes you a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:51:13):
Appreciate It's gonna be everybody's everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
Wants James, thank you so much, like you, James, I
still do You're all right?

Speaker 35 (01:51:25):
Way to finish the week with an absolute banger, that
driving baseline unreal, designed to be listening to while you well,
you're in your car.

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
All right, well done, take it away.

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
It's so topical, it's a listen so good congratulations me.

Speaker 7 (01:51:49):
Well.

Speaker 8 (01:52:02):
We will, man, it's.

Speaker 16 (01:52:29):
My sign, it's my only help me to the sun,
help me make the.

Speaker 34 (01:52:44):
Reading last.

Speaker 36 (01:53:03):
Start so godly a spade so soundly?

Speaker 34 (01:53:16):
Too bad was the sad.

Speaker 29 (01:54:47):
Jo that.

Speaker 34 (01:54:52):
Fad body.

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
ShW wow from songs from the Big Cheer Everybody Wants
to Rule the World Tears for.

Speaker 3 (01:55:34):
Fears losers here, So well done, mate, well done. I
mean it does annoy me that you're up, but well done. Yeah,
good tune and on a really good movie. Actually, just
before that, we Afectoid Ready Player, one great great movie.

Speaker 22 (01:55:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
I watched a documentary on the song just the other day.
And Tears for Fears hadn't had a hit in the States,
and the record company really wanted them to, so they
and they wanted a song that could be played in
drive time radio, so they wrote that song from that basis.
They just had the line everybody wants to rule the world,
and they work the lyrics back from that and they
just came up with the dun't just purely for radio.

(01:56:08):
So that's how that's how calculated they were with that
song that they came up with an absolute banger And
thank you for your votes on one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. What a great win and just what a
great way for me to win. To end the week,
I'm feeling amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:56:21):
Well, all done mate, We'll do it all again next Friday.
It is seven minutes to four Back in the moth.

Speaker 1 (01:56:28):
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That the cure, the new album's out today, fantastic, This
is a fragile thing. Yeah, have a great weekend everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:56:56):
We will see you again next week. Have a great
rest of your weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
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Speaker 10 (01:57:08):
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