Full Show Podcast: 07 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello, are you great New Zealanders? Just Tyler here for
the Matt and Tyler podcast intro. Matt has had to
escape because he is meeting his partners Tracy's dad for
the first time, so he wants to make a good impression.
We might talk about that on the show tomorrow, but
today was a great day. We had two hours of
election discussion. The first hour was about the authenticity of

(00:38):
politicians on the back of the different styles, with Trump
who loves to weave as he says it, and Carmela
who's got a very straight down the line style and
very scripted. Then we had to chat about celebrity endorsements.
Have they harmed hindered Harris's campaign? A lot of people
argue they have. What is the worth of celebrity endorsements?
Then we chatted about jet Skis. I started off really

(01:02):
hating jet Skis. I think I think I started to
change my mind towards the end. Maddy loves the old
jet Skis motorcycles of the sea motorcycles. Someone takes it
and that's a great name for them motorcycles going forward.
But that was Thursday afternoon, great show, good discussion. We
will do it all again tomorrow. You've seen busy. That's

(01:23):
what Maddie sees, isn't it. You've seen busy. You have
them atasta keiwe bless, bless, bless alrighty.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Then talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty
twenty four News Talk said, be a very.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show. Thursday. America
has a new president and his name is Donald J. Trump.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, and I've got a lot of yawns going today
because i stat up very very very late watching the coverage.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Did you get on the whiskeys as well?

Speaker 5 (01:53):
I did not get on the whiskys. No, I would
never do that. I was on the tequilas.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Very goods right onto the show because we are going
to be chatting about the US election over the first
couple of hours. But after three o'clock we do want
to talk about jet skis. Some can soon In the
Bay of Plenty, locals want to ban jet skis from
one of the local harbors. They say it's unsafe. It's
a matter of time before someone gets hurt or killed.
The wildlife don't like it, and it's just not great.

(02:19):
It's an annoyance.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
According to you.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
WHOA, Yeah, I think jit ski is a very very
good time. And if you're out on the water, no
matter what craft you're on or in any way you're
out in the water, you have to behave responsibility. That's
one hundred percent. But jet skis are an opportunity for
people that may not have millions and millions of dollars
to get out there and experience BEWI full watery areas.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
And so I'm a huge fan of jet ski. I've
had a lot of great times on a jet ski.
I've had a lot of great times with my kids
on jet skis.

Speaker 6 (02:53):
And I have.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Never caused no problem to done.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
No one done done done, No one done, no, no
one does, no no harm.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Well, you're a good member of society, matt Eth.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Okay, Then if I say to you all good, go
hard on your jit ski, your motorbike of the sea,
but five hundred meters away from beach police because it's
a big ocean. You know, that's a highway. All to
yourself out there.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
I'm not going to support someone cutting a track at
one hundred kilometers in now through swimmers, and I don't
think anyone is going to support that.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Can I say situation I had in the molbough sounds?
Maybe's parents, my partner, They are lucky enough to have
a batch there. It is a quiet little bay, but
jet ski has come there because it is quiet, and
they kind of think they have the bait of themselves.
I was on a kayak and again this keeps happening
to me. Happened with the motorbikes on the beaches, now
it happens with the jet skis. I was on the
kayak and they thought I was a bit of fun.

(03:42):
We'll just run rings around this kayaker. I mean, absolute knobs.
And what am I going to do on a kayak?
I can't chase them down on a kayak, can I?

Speaker 7 (03:49):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (03:50):
Poor you?

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Someone in a watery vessel went round you a couple
of times.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Are you all right?

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, well tuck me over on my kayak.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
I think we have this conversation over and over again, Tyler.
What you're describing as a dickhead problem?

Speaker 5 (04:03):
Yeah, which is which?

Speaker 2 (04:04):
So what do we do about dickheads. Well, I'm all
for banning dickheads. That is what it comes down to, right,
that's after three o'clock. After two o'clock we want to
have a chat. I mean it is related to the election,
but more in relation to what we spend on the
military here in New Zealand. And we know Donald Trump.
President Trump now is very big on allies paying their way.

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He doesn't like it that there's a lot of NATO members.
We're not part of NATO, but there are a lot
of members that don't pay the mandatory two percent of
the GDP in terms of military spend. So he's going
to come down hard on that. There is some nervousness
across the ditch with the Orchist deal. They think that
will still go ahead, but there's a possibility he will
ask for some more money from Australia. So then it
raises the question about our own military spend and where

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do we sit in our place in the world in
terms of those strategic partnerships. Has the time finally come
that we need to make a decision about how much
we spend on our military.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
I believe we spend zero point nine percent of our
GDP yeah, nothing.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
Which is one of the lowest in the world.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
And if you're looking at someone like Trump who has
that opinion about everyone helping out. And look, we live
in an uncertain world. We don't know what's going to
happen in the future. You may say, hey, look there's
no one threatening our borders right now, but we all
are talking about how crazy things are getting. So it's
not it's not unforseeable. It's not unlikely that some security

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risk will happen to our country. And then we have
to put up our hands to Australia and America and.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
Allies to help.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
And if we don't put any money into what the
scene is our fair share or contribute to our defense,
are we in a position where America goes, Nah, you didn't,
you didn't, You didn't put enough in, You didn't do
enough yourself.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
We're not going to help.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, quite possibly, that's going to be a good chat
after two o'clock. But right now, so I want to.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
Compare Trump's acceptance speech with Carmala's, with Trump's acceptance speech
with Kamala's concession speech, and see if you notice a difference.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
Here's Kamala.

Speaker 8 (06:02):
There's an adage and historian once called a law of
history true of every society across the ages. The adage
is only when it is dark enough can you see
the stars.

Speaker 9 (06:24):
I know many.

Speaker 8 (06:24):
People feel like we are entering a dark time, but
for the benefit of us all I hope that is
not the case. But here's the thing, America. If it is,
let us fill the sky with the light of a brilliant,
brilliant billion.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Of stars, the light the light of.

Speaker 8 (06:51):
Optimism, of faith, of truth and service.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
Okay, there you go. There's Kamala's concision speech.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Now exhibit number one.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
Exhibit number one now compere in contrast with Trump's acceptance
speech last night.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
And I'm looking to screen.

Speaker 10 (07:17):
I'm seeing this crazy thing that's going around and coming down.
It looks like, I said, a crash into the gantry.
And I said, oh no, And I said, do me,
if you might hold him for a couple of them.
I want to see this. I thought it was a
space age movie or something. I put the phone down,
but I didn't pick it up for forty five minutes.
And he was holding But this spaceship came down and

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I saw those engines firing, and it looked like it
was over. It was going to smash, and then I
saw the fire pour out from the left side, and
I put it straight and it came down so gently,
and then it wrapped those arms around it and it
held it and just like you hold your baby at night,
your little baby.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
And it was a beautiful thing to see.

Speaker 10 (08:01):
And I called Elan. I said, Elan, was that you?

Speaker 3 (08:06):
He said, yes, it was. He said, who else can
do that? Can Russia do it?

Speaker 11 (08:11):
No?

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Can China do it?

Speaker 12 (08:12):
No?

Speaker 10 (08:14):
Can the United States do it? Other than you know,
nobody can do that. I said, that's why I love you.
He line in that scure.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
So the yeah, comparing contrast. So this is my take
on that Trumps is a rolling shamozzle. He calls it
the weave how he speaks on stage, and even if
he has some untruth in the mix to some, he's
more on to others, and judging by the election result,
to a lot of Americans, he comes across more real

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than the organized, scripted approach that the likes of Kamla
go for. She's talking about billions of stars shining light.
But what if you think of Trump? Has he changed
the way politicians need to communicate with the public and
he said, you've got this era of scripted, slick, high
oratory orchestrated, tally prompted politicians. Would you prefer to hear

(09:02):
a well written speech with information, but always you get
the emotional persuasion intermixed or the lucy goosey rambling performance
that reveals all about the candidate warts and or what
resonates more. Because what Karmela was reading out there, I imagine.

(09:24):
I don't know for sure, but it seems likely that
was written by a scriptwriter. Yep, beautiful words, reasonably well delivered. Yeah,
Trump a bunch of crazy words and sayings and love
and baby and rocket and maybe he wrung elon, maybe
he didn't. Maybe the story was true, maybe it wasn't.
But too many people what he says is more authentic.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Oh, he's definitely authentic.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
So what do we what do we want from our politicians?
What do you prefer? What works for you? One hundred
and eighty ten eighty and.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
What do you prefer of those two styles? Well, maybe
that that's at the extreme end right, and we getting
a few techts at a k coming through saying we
selected parts of that speech, of course we did to
make the points, but very unique in different styles. But
to your point, I think the age of the very
polush for very slick scripted speech just doesn't hit the

(10:18):
way it wis.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Well.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
We did select parts of that speech, We selected the
end of hers, but her whole speech was like that.
Apart from the bit at the start which she said
good afternoon five times in a row, the rest of
it was straight off the teleprompter. But if you watch
Trump's acceptance speech, he seemed to just go on stage
and just look around, say some staff repeats in some

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of his key points from different speeches, bring people up randomly,
try to bring people up that weren't even there. It
was very, very off the cuff. What works better for you,
because arguably the scripted speech gives the information that the
candidate wants you to get in a more orderly fashion.

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But there's no doubt there's an emotional manipulation in.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
It as well.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
But the other one, and why Trump absolutely dominates the
news cycle, is because in his rambly to our speech,
he'll reveal a lot about himself. Was and all yeah,
And for a lot of Americans, those mistakes and the
moments of brilliancy brings in the moments of absolute stupidity
brings something that they held onto and saw him as

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more of a human somehow. They saw a billionaire who's
growing up with a father who was very successful, as
more down to earth than Carmela.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, because he speaks from the heart, and he speaks
his own truth, and he completely, as you say, goes
off the cuff, and some.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
Of his own truth isn't true.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, strangely do you think to a lesser extent. But
if we look at Barack Obama, and he was long
talented as being an incredible orator, and I think he was,
and he had a lot of scripted speeches that he did,
but I think he still had that ability to go
off the cuff from time to time and show who
he really was. He was skillful in that area. And

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I think in a different way, Donald Trump is very
skillful in speaking and communicating to people.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Yeah, and don't get me wrong, I love some of
the great speeches of all time. Of course, the JFK's
address at Rice University.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
We choose to go to the moon. We choose to
go to the moon, and.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
We choose to go on this decade not because it's easy,
but because it's hard. That was a script that was
written by scriptwriter. Yeah, fantastic speech, But would that work
as well now or in the way media runs now
and the amount we see of our politicians do we
do we want our politicians to just be a little
bit loosey goosey out there on when they're on stage.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yep. Oh, eight hundred and eighty. Teen eighty is a
number to call. It is eighteen past one.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt heat and Tyler Adams Afternoons you
for twenty twenty four US Talk said, be good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
It's twenty past one.

Speaker 13 (13:02):
Hey, Angela, I'm driving, and I have to say I
hadn't heard any of I haven't heard any of Camela's
speech apart from the little snippet that you gave. But
I did sit up and listen to Trump's speech, and
I don't think.

Speaker 6 (13:20):
That anything he says is lucy goosey at all.

Speaker 13 (13:22):
In fact, I think it's quite profound. And I think
that his analogy there, or his talk about Elon and
the rocket going out of control and coming down and
finally landing safely, was an analogy to actually how his
campaign and how his last few years has been where

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he's had, you know, every sort of thing flung at him.
Yet he's come back and a lot of people are
too sort of proud to admit that they are Trump
supporters and were sort of frowned upon for being Trump supporters.
But at the end of the day, they like what

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the man has to say and they appreciate what he's
been through in order to get to where he has.
So in contrast, whenever camel astpects it's highly stripped it
and Trump, yes, he goes off on a few tangents,
but generally well thought out and he's speaking from the heart.

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He's not speaking a speech that someone else has prepared
for him, and he sounds sincere, unlike the opposition there. So, yeah,
that's my take on it.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yeah, Angela, when I said Lucy Goosey, I wasn't saying
that in terms of questioning. I'm really talking about the
style and I'm saying Trump's to me seems more off
the cuff.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
That's what I mean by Lucy Goosey.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
I think he's saying what he means to say, and
I think he's saying what he's thinking. But he you know,
if you watch that whole speech as I did. He's
calling for some people on stage that aren't on stage.
He called over jd Vance at a point where he
feels like it.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
Fits.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
It wasn't orchestrated. When Jade Vance was going to speak.
Jady Van seemed quite surprised when he was called up
and had to speak off the calf, and Trump had
said earlier in the day that he hadn't prepared speech.
That's what I mean by Lucy Goosey. I think I'm
sort of saying the same thing as you are.

Speaker 13 (15:29):
Yeah, I agree with that. I mean I watched on
I think it was gb News or BBC last night,
someone saying, oh, he just seemed flat. He seemed a
bit like Biden vibes getting too old. And then of
course you've got to remember he's been on the campaign
trail constantly. He's done rally after rally.

Speaker 14 (15:50):
It was two in the morning.

Speaker 15 (15:52):
I mean, you know, the guy would.

Speaker 13 (15:54):
Be shattered and as anyone would be, regardless of their age,
and to be coming out like that after that campaign
and you know he doesn't stop. So yeah, I think
we do it. But I'm probably just sort of saying that.
I think you know he resonates with the public and

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they've spoken.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
Think if you call angela.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yeah, and of all the Democratic attacks, democratic Party attacks
that didn't work as the one that was saying that
Trump was running out of energy because he just kept
doing podcast he kept doing appearances, and he definitely injected,
whatever you think of him, a lot of energy and
an incredible amount of energy for a man his age
into the campaign.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah. Absolutely, Oh, eight hundred and eightyighteen eighty. Love to
hear your thoughts on this one. It's twenty four past one.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Digging into the issues that affect you. The Mike Hosking.

Speaker 16 (16:46):
Breakfast oils down because he's going to drill, baby, drill.
Europe are wetting their pants with nervousness. God knows what
they're feeling like in the Ukraine. So a lot to
play for New York got me as well. They hate him,
they indict him, but wasnow we don't we'll vote for him.
How does that work?

Speaker 5 (17:02):
But it tells us that there's real shifts happening within
the country.

Speaker 16 (17:06):
Throughout the country, the lack of planning post Biden was astonishing.
Back tomorrow at six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's real estate.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Newstalk ZB very good afternoons. You we're talking about authenticity
when it comes to politicians on the back of the
US election. We have got two contrasting styles and delivering
a speech. And we heard the concession speech from Kamala
Harris this morning. We heard the victory speech from Donald
Trump last night. Very different styles.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
And if you can see through your political allegiances and
just ask yourself, what kind of delivery do you prefer.
Do you prefer delivery highly scripted and orchestrated or do
you prefer.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
All over the shop and rambling and just what comes
to mind?

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Because that seems to me in terms of out when
they were stumping, the choices that the two campaigns took.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
And what side do you fit on?

Speaker 5 (18:02):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
I mean I love some of the great speeches of
all time. I mean Winston Churchill, fantastic speeches. Back in
the tay was quoting Winston Churchill was yesterday. I was
just talking about, you know, a couple of Winston Churchill
speeches yesterday and I loved A. JFK's speech at Rice University.
We will guilt the moon, We will guilt the moon
in this decade, not because it's easy, not because it's hard.

(18:23):
I quote that speech to my kids all the time.
We do things not because we do things, not because
they're easy, not because they're hard. So a fantastic speech
that's well written, love it, and those can echo through history.
But I'm just asking not really what I prefer, but
what you think works more in the current media landscape.

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And I would argue talking for two hours where you
reveal a lot about yourself, warts and all, and judging
by the American election result, may be a more successful
technique now if you can pull it off.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
And I think when you talk about trust, and trust
is probably the number one most important thing when you're
looking at a politician, right, can I trust that person
to do what they say they're going to do? And
with Trump's style and being authentic and saying what's on
his head, what's on his mind, whatever it is, clearly
the American people, most of them looked at that and
said I can trust that guy more than the other candidate.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
And people are quite capable of telling lies in scripted
speeches that they're reading off a teleprompter. I mean, we
saw lies from both sides in the selection Rideka, how
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 17 (19:34):
I'm good, Thank you. A very interesting topic, and I've
been following the American election as well. I've been supporting
Kamala Harris. You know what, to most of us, these
beautiful speeches, and of course they're inspiring, they're motivating. We
caught from these speeches to our children, and I feel

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personally intellectual and beautiful speech is amazing. You know, it's
sort of you give a good reaction to it. But
I feel the population of America is so huge and
obviously caters to more than percent of that people who
relate with him, and I feel the Democrats could have

(20:16):
also kind of made use of that, played a little
bit of politics, and got their language to be a
more common man language, you know, which everybody understands, and
not totally scripted and sort of talking off the cup
like he does. I'm not a Trump fan, but honestly,
I mean the results says that for itself, isn't doesn't it?

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Then there are people who are wanting honesty.

Speaker 14 (20:41):
They are like.

Speaker 17 (20:42):
Stick off maybe you know, all the purple passages and
all those kind of things which most of them maybe
don't be understand and once the honesty as to what
are they're going to do next for the economy, what's
going to happen in my little community. Yeah, I feel
for Kamla Harrison. I'm a big supporter, But to be

(21:02):
very honest, I think they missed that point. They kind
of they could have approached it a bit differently in
this in the states. I don't know whichever Pennsylvania and
all these deciding states she could they could have flipped
it a bit differently.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yeah, It's been described as truth lying, where some of
the facts might not be right, but the character of
the person and what they stand for is revealed over
the rolling shimozzle of the speech over time. So I
think people in America very much know what Trump is,
whether they like it or not. They know what he

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is and what he stands for. Kamala, they know what
the Democratic Party stands for, and they know what the
speech writers working with the Democratic Party.

Speaker 18 (21:51):
The.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Message they want her to get across. And I think
in the end that was a huge difference and Trump
speaking to a huge amount of every day Americans in
a way that they that they felt was authentic, even
if some of it they will accept was not true.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Do you agree with that?

Speaker 17 (22:17):
I mean, yeah do I mean? I just want to
add to that is that, you know, I come from India,
the biggest democracy in the world, they say, and in
that so huge, and the intellectual level of like you know,
in the two tier three tiered villagers is different, and
so when the politicians go there, they talk very differently
compared to what they would talk in the city or

(22:37):
to the young people or the youth. So you know,
you know what I mean. So it has to be
considered as to who's your audience, Like we we tell
you know, like I'm teacher too, so you're writing for
an audience. So yeah, I think they could have kept
that in mind. Maybe that would have made a difference.
But Trump is surely yeah, he's he's like, you know,
getting his message.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Across ridicuare thank you very much. We got the headlines
hot on our tail. But we'll pick this back up
after that. It is twenty eight minutes to two.

Speaker 18 (23:08):
News talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's
no trouble with a blue bubble. Kamala Harris has issued
a special message to young people, telling them not to
give up hope in her speech conceding Donald Trump's overwhelming
presidential victory, She's promised Trump a peaceful transfer of power.
Prime Minister Chris Lukson says he's congratulated Trump and looks

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forward to working with him and advancing both our country's interests.
The murder trial of King jun Chau continues, with him
now conducting his own defense. His cross examinations have been lengthy,
with witnesses expressing confusion over his questions. Demonstrators are descending
on the beehive protesting today's introduction of acts controversial Treaty

(23:52):
Principles Bill. PSA members have rejected a collective agreement offer
for Defense Force staff which didn't lift civilian worker pay,
sparking more industrial action. Crowded Kiwii households are getting more
common with twenty twenty three cents his data showing conditions
were cramped in more than one hundred thousand households all

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six point two percent. Reserve Bank says Trump presidency will
be marginally infleationary. Find out more at end, said Herald Premium.
Now back to Matteith and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty four minutes
to two we're.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Talking about the contrasting styles between Trump and Carmela text
here of nine two nine two. Hi, guys, our lives
are just so scripted these days, aren't they. There is
just so much we aren't allowed to say or should
only say. So when someone gives doesn't give a crap
about that, it's refreshing and we all love it and
miss it takes us back to when you could just
be yourself. Sadly not the way things are anymore. Cheers,

(24:50):
Mike Mark. Sorry, and this business, says Tyler. I promised
to vote for you every Friday in the topical tune
if you do this one thing whenever Matt attempts an
American accent, just poking with the piece of office equipment,
nothing serious, just to compass or staple in the file
between the ribs, to stop him doing his American accents.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Deal deal, Henry, I'll take it. We'll do that, not
because they're easy, but because they're hard.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
Rights in this Dicky Love a good JFK speech.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Fantastic, David, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 19 (25:23):
Yes, hello, Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 17 (25:24):
I'm well.

Speaker 19 (25:25):
Are you well?

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I hope, yeah, very well, yes, absolutely.

Speaker 19 (25:29):
You look I willn't to make two points. You had
lots of calls I try and be breathed. I wanted
to make two points about just weaving, right, which about weaving.
But firstly, wouldn't it be great if a politician came
out onto the lecter and with no telly prompters and

(25:50):
no notes right there, you know, virtually naked as it were,
and spoke from the heart and didn't look down a
telling prompter or something that wouldn't make me great, would
make me better than what we got at the moment,
but put me too much score, I would think in
the telly prompted days. But look comparing the two styles,

(26:15):
angel he first called it stall. Half my points matters
that it's called calls it weaving for a good reason,
and apart from the fact that he's a very clever orator,
the word weaving makes is when you take little strands
of cotton, little thread, and you make something out of it, right,

(26:36):
you make a code or a blanket. That's weaving. We
could have called it wandering, but it's weaving, and it's
really clever because and again Angela's point is going to
make about the Elon's rocket coming back. That's a very
powerful image that puts into people's minds, and he intersperses
it very clever. He was, okay, you're for three hours.

(26:59):
He and he talks in a hard stuff and he
goes off the half an hour weaving. But it's when
he weaves sees that his best because he's fun in this.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Relate to him, Yeah, David, And as a person that
will start talking for a while and then forget what
I'm talking about and then at the end remember and
desperately trying to bring it back around together to make
a point and make it all make sense. I like
that Trump's come up with a word for that, the weave.
He may have a plan to his weave, but I'm

(27:29):
now claiming when I lose my way in any kind
of chat, that it's a weave.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
We love a good weave. Here on the afternoons, David,
we lost ye.

Speaker 19 (27:37):
Yes, yes, no, I was still here. Yes, it's clever.
He always comes back to the main point, and that's
when you're just not off. And while it's like a
bomb going off, he comes straight backwards. We're going to
close the border, and Matt is where Matt comes in

(27:59):
with his Trump. I just very quickly find you talked
about Matt. You did Josky's speech about the moon right,
quite a good imitation. I just wanted to put into
the mix. You know, it was great. It wasn't as
good as your Trump one of the star I just
wanted to may I just finally put into the mix.

(28:22):
One of the best speeches, talking of Kennedy's was when
Bobby Kennedy, before he got shot got Bobby Kennedy made
his eulogy at the funeral of Jay's k and I
don't know if he remember the words, but uh, and
it's a bit of sexism. And he said some men

(28:43):
think about doing something and say I can't. He he
jove K saw things that had never been and said
why not? And that was that was That was some
speech and hence the moon manly came that sort of
this was strike that off. But look Trump is and

(29:04):
again two seconds last week you talked about do you remember, Yeah,
all the towns of words that have been spoken. I
talked back last night and this morning about why he
won and how he won. America is a bold, grassy country. Yeah,
Trump is a bold, brassed guy. And what Talmler and

(29:28):
a lot of other people don't have he's got a
little bit of mongorel.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Of them right, absolutely, yep, nicely said David.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Yeah, And after the break, I'd like to come back
to how that famous speech by JFK at Rice University
about going to the moon, how it got a little
nod to New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
All good teas. It is eighteen minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams is taking your calls on Heath
and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
They'd be very good afternoon to you. It is sixteen
minutes to two. Before the break, you've met in this
very famous speech.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
Yeah, we're talking about.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
The difference between highority or tree scripted politicians and politicians
speaking on the stump, off the cuff. And I brought
up how JFK and my favorite political speech of all time,
the address at Rice University from JFK arguing that we
should go to the moon. He said, I won't do

(30:28):
the American speech because it's called the American accent, because
it's caused a lot.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Of a lot of people are on the st Actually
it's kind of fifty to fifty. But why some say
the moon, Why choose this as our goal. Okay, and
they may well ask why climb the highest mountain as
Hillary did? Why thirty five years ago fly the Atlantic?
Why does Rice play Texas? That was talking about the universities.
Why I choose to go to the moon. We choose

(30:51):
to go to the moon. We choose to go to
the moon in this decade. And we do the other
things not because they're easy, but because they are hard.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
There you go, he referenced. He referenced the climbing of
Mount Everest by a New Zealander.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Oh we love that, don't we.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
There's a reason to go to the moon.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Susan, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 18 (31:09):
Dead?

Speaker 15 (31:09):
How are you? I've just been doing the Trump dance
at my local supermarket.

Speaker 20 (31:16):
You're a great Okay?

Speaker 21 (31:17):
Trump? Trump?

Speaker 22 (31:18):
Trump?

Speaker 14 (31:18):
What b So?

Speaker 5 (31:20):
How do people recognize the Trump dance when you were
doing it?

Speaker 15 (31:24):
I think so people are still so embarrassed to get
into it. I did it with my seventy year old
girlfriend from Korea. It was so fun I couldn't hold out.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
I think the Trump dancers the Trump dance is an
example of how the Dems didn't get what Trump was doing,
because they tried to use the Trump dance to humiliate him,
and they didn't realize why keep doing it.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
But even though.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
It's fiercely uncool, the Trump dance, it was in its
way like iconic, and it drew the people in the
everyday people in those kind of weird things he did.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
People loved it.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
It was real.

Speaker 15 (32:00):
Look, the Democrats forgot where they came from. I grew
up in Hawaii and my al says her Democrats forever
till my uncle, who just passed away at age ninety something,
said I do not recognize this party, you know. And look,
the Americans were good at We're generous people and we

(32:22):
love to dream. And it's just like, mate, it's a
time now where old men can dream dreams again. And look,
I ask any woman who goes out on any date,
you know when you're being lied to? Yeah, you know,
you just know authenticity. I mean, okay, Obama was a
great orchard, but he believed what he was saying. To

(32:44):
believe what he was saying. Yeah, Harris, whoever gave her
the big donations. And honestly, you can't Trump.

Speaker 18 (32:53):
Have a fact too.

Speaker 15 (32:54):
You do not see one fact because and everyone's all like, really,
what have you done? The last three and a half years,
no one was gonna trust her and then yeah, and
her running mate was worse mate sou's an.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
My producer Andrews was and Maia, did you go to
school with Barack Obama?

Speaker 15 (33:12):
He was five years older than me. We went to
the same school and the same school also produced Piero
Midiar who started eBay, as well as Case who started AOL.
And I want to tell everyone this, and in New
Zealand it is so important. Looks the best thing about
Trump winning is we all know anyone can do it now.
I mean, education is so important. Yeah, Obama doesn't surprise

(33:38):
me with his oratory. We hadastic We had fantastic teachers.
You know, I know he Zealand has a chauncy problem.
And you know, guys go to school. You know, parents
encourage your kid's grandparents go to school, be patient and
go to school.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
I've driven past that high school of yours, and I
know I have because I was taking a tour in
Hawaii on the way to pil Harber and they said
that's the school Obama went to high school.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Yeah, yeah, it looked like a school.

Speaker 18 (34:09):
And.

Speaker 15 (34:12):
I mean it was like the best school and everything.
And my parents worked hard looks I had used Christmas
presents swing up growing up, even though dad was a
medical doctor, but money was saved to pay for our
education to attend that school.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah, you know, just quickly, Susan. Did you mention Obama
there and authenticity and we remember that? Yes, we can,
and there was a massive movement behind that. Did you
believe when he said that that he was being authentic?

Speaker 23 (34:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (34:42):
You believed what he was saying. You know, you can tell.
I mean, just ask yourself, Ai and people know when
they're lying to especially they figured it out during lockdown.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Would you say the same, sorry to jump in there,
would you say the same about Bernie Sanders when he
made a run and the primaries didn't quite get there,
lost out to Biden. But would you think Bernie, whether
you like them or low than he was authentic?

Speaker 15 (35:07):
Yeah he believes but he yeah totally and Bernie he will.
They kicked him out. I mean really Hillary Barney should
you know, beat Hillary, but they kicked him out for
Hillary and Biden. Yeah, it was Biden's time, I guess

(35:28):
you know Biden. Did you see Jill wearing that red
pants suit yesterday? She was totally trawing Chamela you know,
and anyone for me. The decision was made when President
Trump got shot in Pennsylvania. And it's so ironic how
that state or he was shot, delivered him the wins.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
And when you talk about what if you think about
Obama and what he did when he used to use
the high Ara tree, he would often reference Abraham Lincoln.
And you know, a long time before Obama was ever
running to be president or office, he studied Abraham Lincoln
at Harvard University as part of his doctorate, So you
know that Obama really did care about Abraham Lincoln and

(36:14):
what he believed.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Yeah, Abraham Lincoln, of course being a Republican.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Absolutely, Susan. You're fantastic, Thank you very much. It is
nine minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Back in a moment, Matteeth, Tyler Adams taking your calls
on eight.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Madeth and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Afternoons news talks, they'd be seven to two Dallas, our
old friend. How are you.

Speaker 24 (36:36):
Hi, guys.

Speaker 25 (36:37):
It's really good discussions afternoon talking of authenticity. I think
in Karma his speeches, you know, you could tell she
was really sincere and authentic when she's talking about her
upbringing and also that abortion and issues surrounding women who

(36:57):
have died or bled out waiting for medical health and
that kind of thing. That those parts of her speech
were really authentic, I thought.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Yeah, I feel that people saw her as been a
mouthpiece for the Democratic Party. I absolutely believe she was
authentic about that stuff. But did you see do you
think people saw that Dallas? That a lot of her
talking points because they had to rustle the campaign up
so quickly, and they rolled Biden. When they did that,

(37:32):
it felt like the machine got behind her and she
was given talking points from the established Democratic Party that
they thought win the election. So some of it she
seemed legitimate on it. But when she started to bring
in God, which she suddenly found God at one point,
and when she was talking about immigration that seemed to

(37:54):
be a huge u tune on what she'd said before.
Do you think that tested credibility?

Speaker 19 (38:01):
Yeah? Yeah, it's hard to say that.

Speaker 25 (38:03):
Like a concession speech is the most difficult speech, isn't it?
In this morning? Like would you preferred if she came
out and said that Joe Biden that Barstard really stipped
me up?

Speaker 2 (38:14):
And yeah, I would of Dallas though, But you're right
to your point when she went off script, and she
got emotional, she got passionate. That was the best of ours.
But the fact the point is she didn't do that enough.
If she backed herself more and stopped listening to her
advisors and went off script in a similar way to Trump.

Speaker 5 (38:31):
Trump would have been Biden screwed me. I never had
a chance. It wasn't my fault.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
I would have far prefer that, because it's real Dallas.

Speaker 25 (38:38):
Yeah, and when you saw her interact, you know, just
with one or two people, you know, away from the cameras,
she was great. She's really great, just one to one
and that's her. You know, she's laughing and joking and
really good, good fun to be around. So yeah, we
didn't see that, did we. We didn't see that from
the stage.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
In her defense, I think it was almost possible to
run for and against the administration you're in, and no
one's really been in that position before because you've never
they've never rolled a in modern that I know. I mean,
I'm not exactly sure that the Grover situation way back
in the day. But she had to run against Biden
and for Biden at the same time. It's a very

(39:20):
difficult needle to thread.

Speaker 23 (39:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (39:23):
God, But at the end of the day, do you
really think these speeches move a needle that much?

Speaker 5 (39:30):
It's so hard to say, hasn't it.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
And you know, in the end, was it just inflation
in the border and Trump repeating that that won on
the election?

Speaker 5 (39:39):
You don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
It's going to be analyzed for a long time, as
they always are. Dallas, thank you very much. We're going
to pick this back up after two o'clock. Oh eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. Just a reminder.
After three is o'clock as well. We want to talk
about jet Skis. It's kicking off in the Bay of Plenty.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
You had him. I love them.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
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Speaker 1 (40:01):
You, your new ho for Instateful and enter Teening Talk.
It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Sebby, Good afternoon to you, seven past two. Great to
have your company, and we are going to carry on
the US election discussion. We're gonna transition slightly.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Yeah, Well, it's the biggest story in the world at
the moment, and it will be for probably to the
end of today, but well after three we're going.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
To talk about jet skis, but.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Looking forward to that.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
But it's hard to move away from the election right now.
It's such a shiny object. We were talking about the
scripted nature of Karmala compared to Trump, who seems to
be a little bit more off the cuff. Another thing
that this election might have brought into question is the
value of the celebrity endorsement. There's no doubt that Carmala
had more big names in her corner. From George Clooney,

(40:57):
he had Mark Hamill was out there.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
Big time, Oprah.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
There were so many celebrities on her side. Bruce Springsteen
has always his hal Yeah, Taylor Swift. But it didn't
seem to shift the dial, and you might question whether
it was actually a negative impact on her campaign because
these incredibly wealthy actors and musicians don't necessarily live in

(41:24):
the world that the everyday American does. Well, they definitely
don't live in the world, but they don't seem to
be as in touch. And I just want to play
some audio to you, so I'm a huge Marvel fan,
and I loved all the Avengers movies. Particularly more recently
Marvel movies have gone off the boil. But for the
longest time, there were ten years of fantastic Marvel movies.

(41:46):
And I think Scarlett Johanson's an incredible actress. Robert Downey
Junior is a genius, Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo, Paul Betney,
they are incredible actors. And the Marvel universes is fantastic.
But they got together to support Karmela and they assembled
as the Avengers on a zoom call and they released this.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
And we want to ask the question, oh my.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
God again again, Oh my God, get with the I.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
Was on that station for fourteen years. He can't blame me.
I've been here for a month.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
I'll help you out. Oh eight hundred eighty and eight.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Oh wait, hundred eighty ten eighty. Do you think this
kind of celebrity endorsement has any worth anymore?

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Hire you guys high Avengers.

Speaker 26 (42:32):
Been on the car?

Speaker 10 (42:33):
Oh well, I think you mean assemblingn that's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
No, that that was funny, Starlette.

Speaker 13 (42:40):
It is our pleasure to come together and to get
the vote out this election.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Yeah, help we be a service.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
How about we start with what our voting plans are
going to be, who we're going to bring to the
polls with us, that sort of thing.

Speaker 16 (42:52):
Just I think Kamala Harris needs a catch fresh.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Oh yes, definitely a catch free is how about this?

Speaker 5 (42:59):
I'm just off the top of my head.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
I can do this all day. Shut up. I hate it? Okay,
I mean it's original bunk.

Speaker 5 (43:07):
What about something punchier?

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Oh boom, you're looking for this iron Man too?

Speaker 5 (43:11):
Everybody loved it?

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Okay again, I think we're just trying to get out
the folk forever.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Yeah, I don't think that helped it all?

Speaker 2 (43:21):
No, no, but do you?

Speaker 4 (43:24):
And is the opinion of actors and musicians that you
may love.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
Does that shift the dial for you at all?

Speaker 4 (43:32):
I'm trying to think of New Zealand's I know Sam
Neil is definitely.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
One of our greatest actors, one of our great.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
Actors, absolute genius.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
He's heavily left leaning, But does his opinion affect the
way you would vote? I'm just looking at celebrities that
came out for Karmela, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, you got Katie Perry,
Harrison Ford, I freaking love Harrison Ford. I think he's
one of the greatest actors of all time. Indiana Jones
Hahn solo, he is phenomenal. But do we care his

(44:03):
opinion on the politics? Taylor Swift undoubtedly talented mus position.
Do we care what she thinks? Jennifer Lopias, It's interesting.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
Cardi B.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Carmela's campaigns were heavily based around bringing big names to rallies. Yeah,
she had Eminem, a huge Eminem fan. She had so
many stars, the Foo Fighters, Lebron, James, Arnold, Schwarznigger, you know,
so many people came out for her, and you know Trump,

(44:35):
Trump Head, Hulk Hogan.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, yeah, for me, I couldn't give two hoots what
those people say about who someone should vote for. I mean,
if they were to come into the New Zealand election
and say we think you should go a particular way,
if they're a Hollywood actor, I don't give two hoots
what you think, because you're so outside my reference and reality.
You're a multi multi millionaire living in a mansion with

(44:58):
private plans and private jets, and you're going to sit
there on your throne and tell me what's what I mean?
I couldn't give two hoots what those people think. And
the actors and I respected them acting chops. But these
are just people who are in the entertainment industry. Why
do they have so much more political knowledge than everybody else?

Speaker 4 (45:16):
What about tak What if he came out an incredible
movie director, boy is a fantastic movie.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Very successful director. I would not listen to him when
it comes to vote for. I can make that decision myself,
and I will listen to to who I respect in
the political realm, but I will do most of my
own research into the policies that politicians are presenting. I'm
not going to listen to an actor about who to
vote for. They are too okay.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
But you're a guy that's involved in news and you're
across the issues. But you're not a everyday person that
only thinks, is mainly working and enjoys movies, watch a
bunch of Netflix, listen to music. You're a very different
type of person, someone that is not as engaged in politics.

(46:03):
They might hear that supports a particular and go, oh, yeah,
I'm in let's go what.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I'm okay with When they come out and said make
sure you go and vote I've got no problem with that.
It's when they tried to spin it to say, go
ahead and vote and vote for Harris because of this,
this and this reason, and if you don't vote for Harris,
you're a bad person. I cannot stand.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
There's never been a person that says come out and
vote that doesn't have an agenda for who they want
you to vote for us.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
That's for sure.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty celebrity endorsements. Do
they do more harm than good these days? Reagan? How
are you you know?

Speaker 27 (46:40):
I'm pretty good, mate.

Speaker 28 (46:41):
I'm just singing.

Speaker 29 (46:44):
I'm just singing.

Speaker 15 (46:47):
He was on.

Speaker 20 (46:49):
He was on the old.

Speaker 18 (46:53):
Can I hear you?

Speaker 11 (46:53):
Ris?

Speaker 21 (46:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (46:54):
Yeah, I got your left nicely.

Speaker 23 (46:58):
So every morning I listen to Don.

Speaker 20 (47:04):
It's been a long time.

Speaker 23 (47:05):
And and then I went to school of a partner.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
What was his name, Jeremy Wells.

Speaker 29 (47:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's class.

Speaker 28 (47:16):
You got the.

Speaker 19 (47:16):
Class, Joey.

Speaker 28 (47:22):
But Trump getting in.

Speaker 20 (47:25):
To me, it's not that.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Very much. Reagan. Really appreciate your phone call there.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
Got a bit blue there, But I thank you so
much for your call there. But yeah, I mean it
might be a little bit different and not me. I
certainly wouldn't suggest that anyone listens to my opinion or say,
as a celebrity. Although I have been on some shows
as a celebrity, like reality TV shows, and when I've
got the call would you like to be one of
the celebrity guests, I've gone felt humiliated someone had ever

(47:56):
called me that, because obviously I'm not. But it might
be a little bit different the type of celebrity you're
talking about. For example, Joe Rogan's endorsement of Trump may
have had more of an impact than say, Taylor Swift's
endorsement of Karmela, because people have listened to hundreds and
hundreds of hours of Joe Rogan broadcasting and arguing his

(48:19):
political political opinions. He'd operated in that realm for much
a longer period of time. And I mean you could
argue Bruce Springsteen's maybe his endorsement of Karmala had more
worth than Taylor Swift's because he sung about working class
people and the plight of Americans. You know, maybe it's

(48:42):
not just as simple as Taylor's. You know, as celebrities
don't help politicians as the particular celebrity that you whip out,
like Cardi b for example, they whipped her out, and
she's had a pretty here. She said a lot of
hairy things over the years, and she's done a few
quite terrible things in her time. So maybe that's not
the best celebrity endorsement endorsement to bring out.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
But Ricky Gervais, for example, and he's been hot on this,
and perhaps to your point, I'm a big fan of
Ricky Devas, and perhaps because he's come out and said,
don't listen to people like me. What do I know.
I'm just a comedian and I've done some successful TV shows,
but I am not important in terms of political knowledge,
so don't listen to me. Maybe I took that on

(49:26):
board because I respect the guy.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
So his endorsement of not taking the endorsements of celebrities was.

Speaker 5 (49:33):
The only endorsement that you care about.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, they got to me, ye nicely, pot Oh eight
one hundred eighty ten eighty. How do you feel about
celebrity endorsements in twenty twenty four, it is sixteen past two.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
You're new home of Afternoon Talkton Taylor Adams Afternoon Call,
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Speaker 2 (49:53):
Said the nineteen past two we're.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
Talking about celebrity political endorsements. They didn't seem to help
Carmela even though she really leant on them. What's your
thoughts on this, Marcus, Oh yeah.

Speaker 22 (50:07):
I'm just anyway pick up for the back of the show.
That was awesome.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
He's still got the scheme.

Speaker 7 (50:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (50:17):
Anyways, I just wish three people would shut up Paddy Gower,
Helen Clark and Ashley Bloomfield. I mean, Paddy Sakewood is
now on stuff, so he's like, you know, but but.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
I guess i'd say I'd say to that though, Marcus,
you wouldn't necessarily call them celebrities in the same way
as Taylor Swift is a celebrity in that Paddy gow
with your Greatham or not, is a he's in the
world of news. Ashley Bloomfield was, you know, he was
in the position that he was in. And Helen Clark
was once the prime Prime Minister. So you could argue

(50:54):
that whether your Greatham or not, they bring some kind
of knowledge in the area that they're talking about.

Speaker 22 (51:04):
That's Helen Clark, Yes, because she was Prime minister.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
It should be be talking to the converted, wouldn't she
really People who listened to Helen Clark, they would primarily
be labor supporters anyway.

Speaker 22 (51:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (51:17):
As far as US celebrities, I mean that's all. That's
all globalization. Let's get a bit more high brow these celebrities.
But all they have to do is release, you know,
record a song and if it sells worldwide, that's another
you know, ten million in the bank.

Speaker 19 (51:35):
And that's all.

Speaker 22 (51:37):
That's all it's about. I mean, Hollywood and Washington have
been in bed since what the nineteen twenties. Then you
had McCarthyism, and then let's just let's make a mega jump.
He did his back in jail or as in jail,
and he's probably like a CIO spy, you know, likes files.

(51:58):
Nothing's going to come out, but you know they come
in and do the political thing for me, or will
find all those ipstin videos have got at the FBI's vault.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
I wasn't happy with the pictures that she had with
p didd He but to just turn it around the
other way, Marcus if a, because I'm a big Bruce
Prings Springsteen fan, I don't think who he it doesn't
work back the other way.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
And I'm a huge Avengers fan, like just I will
not not.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Like an artist because of their political views in the
same way as I won't have an artist affect my
political views.

Speaker 22 (52:35):
Oh no, no, yeah, I mean I'm into all sorts
of metals, and some of them are bit woke, like
Napalm Deaf.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
He's very woke.

Speaker 22 (52:42):
And I went to his gig and it was an
awesome gig. Well he spoiled it by being woke, but
I still had a good time. A great guy anyway,
whatever his name is.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
Yeah, dea guy that's enough for most people.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
That no fair enough to Marcus. Thank you very much
for giving us a buzz. It is twenty two past.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
Two, Yeah, and we'll play coming up next to that
Ricky Gervass audio from the Bath where he put his
thoughts across about celebrity endorsements.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
That's coming up very surely. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Love your thoughts
on this one back in a.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Mow Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons, call oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
News Talks EDB. It is twenty four past two before
we play that Ricky de Base audio. Ray how are you.

Speaker 9 (53:30):
I'm good, Taylor.

Speaker 23 (53:30):
How are you home?

Speaker 22 (53:31):
Matte?

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah? Mate, Now you didn't see Matt down at the
Empire yesterday.

Speaker 9 (53:35):
It doesn't like keeps the layout. I thought it comes fine, mate,
because I was looking quite the spite wearing Omega hat
and a in the American flag T shirt.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
I had a big look around for you down there
at that that election event, that the American consul election event.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
I couldn't see.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
I was in and out pretty quickly because I actually
definitely want to say, how had it pan out?

Speaker 5 (53:56):
Was it a good, good afternoon?

Speaker 9 (53:59):
It was really good. I thought it was quite interesting.
Probably the crowd was I would have said, more Harris
than Trump. Made it like a little pseudo fi And
I think who said of the crowd voted for Paris,
which kind of I guess because lately maybe the way
that that they were leaning. I thought it was quite interesting.
I think I was just having a very general chat

(54:20):
to a reporter from the Gerald who will remain nameless,
and we were just talking generally about how do you
think we're win and he said he he genuinely believed
that Harris won all the swing states, and and you know,
I think at the time, and in retrospect, it's just
I just think it's crazy that someone would genuinely think

(54:41):
that was going to happen.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (54:44):
Yeah, I think they did not work for Harris because
I don't think they were targeting the people who needed
to be targeted, who were the working class Americans. You know,
you had Taylor's works. Okay, so you get a fee
more cat cat ladies coming along to vote for it,
I get it, But I just don't think they were

(55:05):
in aspective way to get lots of fighters on. I
think what worked really well for Trump and jad Bars
was almost getting the endorsement without getting the endorsement. So
what I mean is by doing the podcast with Doe Rogan,
or doing the podcast with.

Speaker 6 (55:19):
The Bonds, doing the podcast with and.

Speaker 9 (55:22):
Desholtz, we're okay people, just a chance to see how
normal both those people were. Jad Bars and Trumps were
normal people with normal desires, normal thoughts, and normal aspirations
for themselves and for Americas.

Speaker 22 (55:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (55:38):
I always said to people, just taking everything you see
on the media as truth about Trump, you're missing out
on a whole different part of him. It's very hard
to watch those podcasts and not come away thinking Okay,
he gets it and he's a pretty normal person, and
I think that's why those endorsements were a lot more valuable.

(55:59):
I thought it was interesting when Trump did the acceptance
speech that he brought on Dana White, Like, how what
a problem for Dana White. So the CEO of the
UFC to be invited up by Donald Trump to do
to speak when he was accepting that he had become
a forty sound prisons.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
So do you think the classic at least called the
mainstream celebrities, Hollywood celebrities, do you think they've been a
bit tainted? Their credibility is not what it once was.

Speaker 9 (56:27):
Yeah, I think they would agree. They probably all lean
politically to the Democrats, and that's probably a reason why
they would may not be believed or valued by the
mainstream public. And if the thing is, all the podcasts
like Rogan p A vonn Andrew Schultz, they're all having
conversations with these guys. They're not trying to got your moments,

(56:50):
and they're not certainly not saying we think you should
vote for Donald Trump. We're just saying they're just I
feel they're just they have a conversation with the ways
of Donald trust Trump and Daily barn to just and I.

Speaker 6 (57:05):
Think that st up as much more better to get
us and informed about.

Speaker 5 (57:16):
Yeah, yeah, thanks for that. Ray. Just looking at some
celebrity endorsements for Trump.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
Here we go, Caitlyn Jenna, right, Caitlyn Jenna was in there,
Jake Paul supporting Trump, Buzz, Aldron went to the Moon
Buzz he came out for for for Trump. You got
doctor Phil Trump side Tony Hinchcliffe, which caused a few
problems for Trump after his Puerto Rico stand up at
the Medicine Square Garden.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
Event.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
Mel Gibson, he was in the Trump camp, so a
fantastic actor. He's also Brett fav was in there, the
football player. Yeah, so there were there were some on
the Trump side as well.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Got a couple.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
Yeah, but I do feel that KRMLA sort of leaned
on them a little bit more, and she sort of
had that little bit of a problem when she had
Beyonce out for that rally in Texas and then Beyonce
didn't perform. Yeah, people all but just point about that,
because that's the thing. If you bring out a musician
and they don't perform and they just speak, then you're

(58:16):
not really getting what that person is great at.

Speaker 17 (58:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah, Now we mentioned before Ricky Devas and he's he
doesn't hold as punches when it comes to celebrities. He
certainly seems to not like celebrity culture. When he's hosted
the Oscars of the Golden Globes, he lays into them.
And this was a week clip from him that went
global during the election.

Speaker 12 (58:36):
Hi, guys, d here, Well, there's some beauty influencer as
a celebrity. I am in all about starf like science
and politics. So trust me when I tell you if
you vote for if you don't vote the right way,
it's like a hate crime.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
It makes me sad and angry and I'll leave the country.
And you don't want that.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Very good. He's a clever guy, isn't he.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Yeah, that's some decent sarcasm there.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
You got to say, yeah, eight hundred at eighty ten
eighty celebrity endorsements, do they do more harm than good?
Love to hear from you? It is bang on hapas.

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Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Thank you very much, Rayleane. It's twenty sixty three.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
We're talking about celebrity endorsements, and there's been thrown out
there by a few commentators political commentators that the celebrity
endorsement is dead because it is perceived that it may
not have helped Krmler at all, in fact, may have
hindered her campaign. This text on nine two ninety two disagrees.
These people have been very successful. It's not just creative.

(01:01:00):
To be successful as a musician or actor, you have
to deal with people. You have to organize your business.
I think people at George Clooney and Oprah are worth
listening to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Fair enough to there you go, Tom, what's your thoughts
on this?

Speaker 30 (01:01:13):
Yeah, I'd say it's a bit of who would have
put it nice for a Yeah, it's it's.

Speaker 20 (01:01:20):
Got to be.

Speaker 30 (01:01:22):
It's got to be. I mean, she got a billion
dollars to throw around like confetti, and she picked up
these guys. I think she had to even pay them
to turn up. When you have to do that, then
are they there for the right reasons?

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
M Yeah, but you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
Certain wouldn't You wouldn't have to pay Oprah to turn
up though, because she's with billions of dollars herself, Karmela No, no, yeah, no,
Oprah though, I'm Oprah came out and supported car.

Speaker 30 (01:01:51):
Yeah she was rapid for Yeah, No, she was all
into it. But a lot of the others, I mean,
they had to had to spend a small fortune to
get them to come on on stage, and I don't
think they were authentic when they were up there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
But let's talk about George Clooney and as you mentioned,
their Oprah and Taylor's worst. Now, I don't know one
hundred percent, but I'm sure those guys weren't paid by
the by the Harris campaign to say that they're going
to vote Harris. They just did that because they thought
that was the right thing to do in their sort
of group of fans. But for you, that's just a

(01:02:24):
waste of time. I mean, that's that speaking to the
converted already, and you don't think it moves the dial.

Speaker 30 (01:02:32):
No, I mean the faith in Hollywood have lately, p Diddyon,
what have you, And that's who those guys have. You know,
they've got egg on their face a fair bit and
I think that's I think Trump was a master's stroke.
And if you haven't good Trump with his campaign managers
that was There was the other two people that he
brought out on his acceptance speech, and they were quite

(01:02:55):
They were very not what you would have thought. One
was a lady of I would say about sixty years
of age, looked like she was from out of accounts,
very very down to earth. And the guy spoke and
they were the campaign managers. And I think and Trump
thanked his family, but he gave a lot of kudos

(01:03:16):
to those two people there. And they were in their
sixties or fifties, sixties. I thought they'd be young, young
people and they knew where to hat and I would
have said, they knew you to stay well clear of celebrities.
And I think this whole world is built on it
and people are starting to see through it. It's a
bit shallow.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
What about the likes of Lebron James though, I mean
a very focused individual.

Speaker 5 (01:03:42):
He's hugely successful at his sport. Do you would muster?

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
He has shown how hard you can work at something,
so does someone like him? Does his endorsement mean mean
anything to you at all?

Speaker 30 (01:03:58):
Yes, you're so you're going to get one or so
out of that mob. So yes, I've got a cutos
to that guy, for sure. But they were just signing
them out there like confetti, and it was like nauseating,
it really did. Where where you look at you look
at Trump's lot, they were there for the cause, truly,

(01:04:19):
and they were people of of some some magnitude. I
mean elin where as you say with the rocket as
he weaved around it, or as the rocket weave back
towards base. Yeah, Trump's got that down to fight art.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
Yeah, which, whatever way you think about it, which every
way you lean politically in Hollywood, you risk a lot
more if you endorse Trump than if you endorse Karmela.

Speaker 7 (01:04:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
Absolutely, you can become and it's been showing, a pariah
in Hollywood if you go the wrong way. I mean California,
Hollywood is incredibly left leaning place. So you could argue
someone that is in Hollywood that supports Trump as sacrificing
a lot more to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Certainly, can you think of any celebrities or or powerhouses
of industry that have changed your mind on who you're
going to vote for?

Speaker 18 (01:05:13):
Me?

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
I just can't imagine that happening. But I think I'm
quite different because we're not really asking about us. We're
asking about how it affects the election. And people across
you know that don't follow the news cycle because I do.
I have to for my job. But a lot of
people just get up in the morning, they've got to
work all day, they're tired at night. They maybe want

(01:05:35):
to be entertained. They don't read everything that we have
to read for our job. So I guess they're banking
a little bit on that. When you bring out a
celebrity endorsement, you bring out someone that you know you love.
Eminem for example, hugely, hugely successful recording artists. When he
comes out for Kamela, you know, their campaign is hoping

(01:05:57):
that people that don't follow politics in every second but
respect this artist, then go, well, if he likes her
then and I like him, and I like what he's
had to say over the years, then maybe she's got something.
But so for me, no, it would never affect my
opinion of all But equally, on the other side, it

(01:06:18):
wouldn't affect my opinion of their work either. No, because
I'm not going to not think Robert Downey Jr. Is
genius If he happened to support something that I don't support.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Yeah, but there's certainly been people John Stuart for example, Yeah,
very very successful show host, very successful, what you could
call him a comedian, very smart guy. He would I
don't think he endorsed anybody straight out endorsed either side.
Clearly he would lean more towards the harrisidemissively. But some
of the things he talks about, because it's not a
straight up endorsement, but he's talking about things that I

(01:06:51):
wouldn't have thought of before. Why that shifts the dial.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Comedy is a different thing because comedy can cut through
and make observations that point out the ridiculousness of the situation.
You played Ricky Jervais before. He's using comedy to make
a point, and comedy can be sharper than any argument.
But also with John Stewart, and he talked about back
in the day when he was first doing the Daily Show,
how he was just ripping Fox News and he's ripping

(01:07:17):
the Republicans, And what was an interesting change for him
was that the Democrats had changed to such a point
where whilst he was still ripping Trump side more, he
was finding a lot of comedy in the Democrats' side,
and for example, he absolutely ripped the left for their
comments and the way they portrayed the rally at Madison

(01:07:38):
Square Garden. He absolutely ripped them on that one. So yeah,
I mean comedy and John Stuart's very smart guy, so
I think, yeah, it's not that his endorsement isn't isn't
as decisive as if he makes an observation that makes
someone seem ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Absolutely. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a
number to call. It's nineteen to three in your new.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Home of afternoon torm Taylor Adams afternoon call, Oh, eight
hundred eighty gen eighty news talks'd.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Be good afternoon at sixteen to three.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
We're still focused on the US election, as a lot
of people will be, because it's a big, shiny object,
is what everyone is talking about with we're looking at
sort of a side angle on it. I guess you'd
say in celebrity endorsements, because it has been suggested that
Carmela's failure in the election is the death of celebrity

(01:08:35):
endorsements because the campaign leaned heavily on them. Your thoughts
on this, Trevor.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Hey, God, how are you, Yeah, very good.

Speaker 14 (01:08:43):
Yeah, no, I got some thoughts on the election. But
before I go, I just want to tell you about
one in New Zealand clibrity endorsement just almost as rong
as inducing, but you know, it just actually staggers me really,
that somebody voting in an election would be swayed by
a celebrity. I mean, I just cannot get my head
around that, especially the stupid Democrats. I mean I remember

(01:09:06):
clearly in twenty sixteen they you know, seeing in all
those channels they were making a big point and laughing
at Trump because nobody would you sing for them before
from and you know they had all the other people
in twenty sixteen and it made no difference.

Speaker 11 (01:09:22):
What's going through what's going through Lebron's mind?

Speaker 14 (01:09:27):
What does he think because he says support Kamala, people
are going to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
I think, Trevor, I think, Trevor, sorry to cut you
off there, but I think what they think is they
believe really passionately, A lot of them believe really passionately,
rightly or wrongly, in a candidate, and they feel that
they have influence, that they have a following, that people,
they have an audience, and they feel compelled to try

(01:09:52):
and try and bring that audience to the to the
candidate that they support. So I think it's it's sort
of comes for them. They feel like they can't stay silent.

Speaker 14 (01:10:05):
Oh well, good on the moon. If they feel that way,
would I just some of them learned the left. I mean,
you know, if it worked for them yesterday Kamala got
should all vote for herself? Didn't?

Speaker 17 (01:10:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:10:16):
I mean you know, I mean, if you've got a
lot of oats, yes, But what do I want to
talk about? In New Zealand? Something very similar?

Speaker 20 (01:10:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 14 (01:10:21):
Have you seen that Dean Carter at advertising his new perfume?

Speaker 5 (01:10:27):
I have heard about it?

Speaker 11 (01:10:28):
Yes, is that vomit inducing Daniels telling us about all
of cedar wood that's in it and the three eighteen
circles represent the eighteen years he toured.

Speaker 14 (01:10:38):
Through rugby and he wants you to enjoy it. Do
people actually buy that the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Man's going to make a living? I'm not going to.

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
Well, I mean that's a whole different issue.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
You know, X players making a bit of money off
off a product that they tie themselves to.

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
I haven't.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
I haven't tried the DC ten yet. But I've heard
reasonable things about it. Is there any celebrity out there,
Trevor that that whose opinion you really respect?

Speaker 14 (01:11:06):
But what for voting for a political I mean you
might listen to them about I don't think no, because
I've got my thoughts on I mean maybe younger people might.
But you know, when you get to middle age and
you've lived life, you know some of those celebrities haven't lived.
They're living in a fault. I mean, we know, or
anybody who's lived life know that those people from Hollywood
live in an absolutely false world. You know, why would

(01:11:30):
you put any credence on what they say?

Speaker 12 (01:11:32):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
I think the thing with actors particularly is an interesting
one because musicians, you might hear what they say in
their words and their lyrics that they write themselves, if
they write their own music. But an actor is famous
for reading someone else's words. Yeah, so it's prec I
think the celebrity endorsements from the actors are probably the

(01:11:53):
weakest of all.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Franco, what's your thoughts?

Speaker 31 (01:11:58):
I I'm just going to get this out there. I
think you have to be pretty empty minded to vote
for a political candidate based on celebrities. I mean, look,
most of the celebrities endorsing Kamala. You might say that
they aren't being paid, but I mean yet again, they're
not being paid, but they're also tied with an association

(01:12:20):
with you know, P Diddy, and that gets to the
point where it's like, you know, I feel like they
actually have no choice. I think that's kind of obvious
here because they've got a lot of dirt on them, right,
So what do you think the scenario is with that
they've got a lot of dirt on them, they have
no choice but to endorse the agenda that's going You know,

(01:12:40):
that is the agenda. It's clearly always been. You know,
Trump's the convicted, fallon and Kamala, you know, all these celebrities.
They're trying to get the target audience of young people.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
And yeah, and I think that was a big part
of it, getting the young people and maybe people that
aren't across politics as much as maybe you are or
I am, but they are across the stars that they love.
And I think that celebrit endorsements would definitely be will
more likely be focused towards young people than then people

(01:13:14):
that have been been around the block a few times.

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
When it comes to.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
The idea that there's a list that will be released
and that the Democratic Party would have gone to them
and said, if you don't support us, we're going to
release the names. I think that that would might be
a strip step too far and becoming a little bit conspiratorial,
which you know, in some conspiracies have definitely come true,
that's true. Just because it's conspiracy doesn't mean it's true.

(01:13:39):
But I can imagine a possibility where people worry that
for certain candid candidate gets that gets into power than
their particular power in their life, and whatever business or
you know, creative will therein will be under threat for

(01:14:00):
whatever reason.

Speaker 17 (01:14:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
What I really don't like just to bring back to
the celebrity endorsements and whether they are not they're associated
with something nefarious, but it's the pontificating and it's the
arrogance and the smugness that comes from some of them.
And read a story today on the hero It about
Christina Applegate was a very successful actor for a long time.
She's had her problems, but she came out and love
me basically tweeted, how dare you? How could you do this? America?

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
So what right does she have to accuse half of
America of being idiots. I don't like about it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:29):
Well, I'd say she's got absolutely every right to say
whatever she.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
Wants, whether people listen to her or not. As the issue,
so does she have credibility? Do you hear her say that? Absolutely?
Go for your life, ye talk, say whatever you want.
It's got The question for voters and people you know
that are making a decision in anything is does that
person have any credibility because they were and married with children.

(01:14:53):
She was fantastic in that show, and she's been great
and a bunch of other things, and command a big
fan of hers. But would I listen to her opinion
on a number of things? If my car was broken
down on the side of the road and Chris app
pulled up, I would ask if she knew if she
was a mechanic before I'd ask her advice on how to.

Speaker 5 (01:15:14):
Fix my car.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Yeuh yeah, nicely, said O eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. It is ninety three.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Four, you've talk said, be good afternoon, go text her
at nine two niney two, God's sake, never heard so
much trouble.

Speaker 5 (01:15:33):
The celebrities are actually very educated too. Boys. Bring back
those other guys.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Mea, how are you?

Speaker 18 (01:15:40):
Ah?

Speaker 8 (01:15:40):
Hi?

Speaker 26 (01:15:40):
Sorry, something came on with the head. This is hilarious.
So I'm a huge Prince fan. And when I saw
Harris take the Minnesota guy Tim into Paisley Park, and
so I belonged to a lot of you know, Prince
fan clubs, a kind of Prince pages, everybody just everybody

(01:16:02):
fell for it. Everybody just basically says, you've got our votes,
and it's like, how long have you been listening to Prince?
And these of some hardcore Prince fans you know that
know every bootleg and they just completely fell for it
that you know, took her into Pacey Park talking about
Prince and I'm like, you know, this was not what
he was about, and it happened. And so now I'm here,

(01:16:25):
I'm off for those pages.

Speaker 5 (01:16:27):
I'll tell you what. Though, I'm a huge Prince fan.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
I went to see him at a center a number
of years ago when he was just doing that piano tour,
and that was one of the greatest things I've ever
seen in my life. I could not believe I was
in such a small theater with Prince just down there
on a piano singing. I actually I shed tears. It

(01:16:50):
was such a beautiful experience. And I've been to see
him a few times. I went to see him at
Wembley in London and went over to Sydney to see
him as well. I absolutely love Prince, and yeah, to
be that close to what is just one of the
greatest geniuses of our time, I couldn't believe it. And

(01:17:10):
he died not so long after that. But yeah, I
mean that guy. I don't know about his thoughts on politics,
but he is a once and a generation genius.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
If you asked me, yeah mea thank you very much.
Great call, Nico. We've got thirty seconds really quickly.

Speaker 32 (01:17:27):
In Sleps must just realized that when they endorsed somebody
and tried to influence their followers, at the same time
they also estranging a group of their followers.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 32 (01:17:40):
And then, and I also don't know why selepskink that
they can swade into politics. Of course, all that they
do is very scripts and smile, but I've definitely not
learned politicians.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Yep, nicely said. I mean that's why Taylor Sworft held
off for so long Wright, as there was well an
argument there that she was concerned she'd put off some
of her fans. Yeah, and she held off right to
the last minute. But it didn't seem to make much difference.

Speaker 19 (01:18:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
And if you did it happen to support Trump as
an actor, he would be really risking your career, that's
for sure, because the left wing nature of Hollywood.

Speaker 5 (01:18:12):
But up next, we're going to move away from the
American election.

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
We're going to pry ourselves off, and Tyler's going to
put the boot in on jet Skis.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
The Welser is back for another banning season. No more
jet skis a bit more nuance than that. That's coming
up by way one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is
the number to call. Nine two ninety two is the text.
It is three minutes to three New Sport and weather
on its way. Very good afternoon to.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
You, talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons New for twenty twenty
four News Talk.

Speaker 18 (01:18:45):
Said, be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Good afternoon, seven past three, and it's been a good
couple of hours about political chat on the back of
the UIs election.

Speaker 5 (01:18:54):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
But now we're going to pry ourselves away from the
big shiny object that we all stayed up Well I did,
you did sat up late watching last night and talk
about something down to earth, well out at sea, something
that you passionately care about.

Speaker 5 (01:19:09):
Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
I'm going to get so much abuse for this, and
that's fine for it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:15):
You be you, Tyler, don't don't sense yourself because of
the abuse that you're definitely in and the text machine
and e eighty don't just because you're going to get crapped.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
I'm ready for it. You be you, I am ready
for it. So we're going to talk about jet skis beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
Just the way you are.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Thank yous. We're talking about jet skis.

Speaker 14 (01:19:33):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
I'll just set this up with why this is a
topic today. So a group of residents say jet ski
is on or Hiwa Harbor that's in the eastern Bay
of Plenty. The jet skis will be arrisked to safety,
a menace to wildlife and a bad fit for the
culture in that particular harbor. So the residents have come
out strongly against a new navigational safety by law both

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that are hearing earlier this year and more recently at
a meeting with council stuff, and they say strongly that
jet skis do not belong in this particular harbor. With
eighty percent this is a direct quote, with eighty percent
of the harbor being exposed at low tide, it is
just not suitable for jet skis. Jet Skis are made
for speeding, not tottering along at five knots. And when

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it comes to jet skis, I've got to say, and
I've seen the ticks come through, they are serenity killers.
And you're in a beautiful, quiet bay. And this happens
to me every year. Maybe my partner who family is
lucky enough to have a beautiful batch in the Molborough Sounds.
It's a it's called Ocean Bay.

Speaker 5 (01:20:31):
Oh, Ocean Bay.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
That is one of the most beautiful spots, not just
in New Zealand, but yeah, but in the entire world.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Gorgeous, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
Oh my goodness, that area absolutely breathtakingly beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Quiet, serene, beautiful. But then the jet skis come along
every summer and you hear them coming from a mile away.
It's like something got of mad Max. You just hear
the h here they come take cover, and that just
does my head. And and if they were decent, responsible
jet skiers, I wouldn't have so much of a problem

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with that. But there's none of this going five knots
with the two hundred meters of the beach, none of that.
They get right up to it. Do dowies? Can you
do dowies on jet ski? Suppose you can?

Speaker 5 (01:21:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
Yeah, you can do all kinds of things, all kinds
of really fun stuff on a jet ski.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
So here's here's my take on it. Jet skis are okay,
but they have to have dedicated bays where they are
for jet skis only, and you can do what you
want in that particular bay if there's no swimmers around,
if there's no families around, But at any other beach,
just be a bit more courteous.

Speaker 5 (01:21:36):
Buddy jet skis.

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
Once again, this is what you always do, Tyler, love
you to bits, but what you do is you don't
like something, so you want to ban it. And just
because some people behave badly and you told me the
story off here.

Speaker 5 (01:21:49):
When you're out in a kayak and then some jet
skis just circle you for a joke.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
They bullied me straight up.

Speaker 5 (01:21:57):
But this is once again the dickhead problem.

Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
Yeah, just because there's people that behave badly, you can't
ban everything everyone that does that activity. People are keeping
to five knots when they're within fifty meters of people, and.

Speaker 5 (01:22:14):
Then that's fine. It's just going.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
But you know, I spend a lot of time at
beaches and up north at a batch and I see
the jet skis zipping across the horizon. I go, boy,
that looks like fun. And then later on that day
I'm on the jet ski zipping across the horizon. I'm
very considerate. I would never ever because I'm terrified of
hitting a swimmerp so I would never ever speed anywhere

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near swimmers. And I am also considerate of the noise.
I don't own a jit ski, but I know I
have friends that own j ski and boy, boy, I'll
tell you what, it is very fun and very fun
for your kids. But like anything, I'm a considerate human being,
so I'm not going to be zipping around and making
it miserable for people. But the idea that because some

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people are badly behaved, we have to get rid of
the whole thing in some kind of jet ski apartheid
where only people have to go to this bay and
that bay.

Speaker 5 (01:23:13):
I'm not for it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
What about five hundred meters away from the beach, Surely
you can't have a problem with that. The ocean.

Speaker 5 (01:23:21):
To stop people from launching the course.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
They can launch, but if they want to hone, they've
got to go out five hundred meters And I know
there are some laws that exist around that. But you
mentioned the dickhead ratio, and to me, it's all about
the dickhead ratio. I would argue the dickhead ratio is
higher for jet ski users than it is for boat users.

Speaker 5 (01:23:39):
I would probably agree with you in that one.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Yeah, yeah, because you're you're a reasonable, courteous human being
and you're a good man, so you're a good jit skier.
And friends of mine have jit skis and they jit ski,
but they're not the kids about it.

Speaker 17 (01:23:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
Well, but I also throw the elitist thing back at
you as well, because not everyone can afford a big,
beautiful launch that they go out in, and the jit
ski opens up the fantastic bays and harbors to people
that don't have a whole lot.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Heap of money exactly have those, but ones where people
swim and kids are on the beach, well some of
them jet ski base. I mean, no problem with it,
Just give them a bay.

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
Jet Skis are controlled by the same rules at all
power driven vessels are the speed, right of way, noise
keeping distance, all those all those rules applied to jet
skis just as they do to any other any other
vessel that's out on the water. I mean, it might
just be even though they're not that new, we're talking
twenty or so years they've been about. Is it just

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that it's the shining new thing, you know, the new
thing that comes out. Everyone wants a band because they
look at it and go, that's annoying. That didn't used
to be there when I was a cat.

Speaker 17 (01:24:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Well, what about this specific situation the good people at
or he Were Harbor. When they say that eighty percent
of the harbor has been exposed to a low tide,
there is wildlife there that is at risk of the
jet skis, do they make a fair point that for
that particular harbor, jet skis might not be a good idea.

Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
I don't know that harbor, so I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
But what kind of wildlife can't handle a jeki at
five five knots dot ors.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Again, it goes back to the titles. You've got your problems.

Speaker 5 (01:25:12):
I don't like dotals. I have no time for dotterals.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
I'll protect a lot of wildlife, but I don't like
a dottoral, and I won't protect a dottoral.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Good ticks here, Matt. What is louder a jit ski
or Tyler's whiny Craig? I don't know. I an whine
pretty loud of Craig. Eight hundreds ten eighty is and
other to call? Nineteen nine two is the Dick's number.
It's thirteen pasts three. What do you feel about jit skis?
Very good afternoon to you? It is sixteen pass three.

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Listen to that sounds doesn't that? Just scream serenity? It's beautiful,
and I stay at the beach.

Speaker 5 (01:25:44):
I think there's a lot of Texas are pointing out Tyler.
You're talking about the old jit skis, the one that
John Bank's got in trouble.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
For for zipping up and down on the north shore.
That's what you're talking about. He was speeding around. The
old jit Skis used to be really really noisy. But
as with everything, as they have been around for a while.
Technology has got better and jit skis are quite quiet now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
They kind of sound like that though, don't they, Even
the new fan dangle modern ones.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
That sounds like someone doing some extreme jet skiing there
doing jumps and such.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Yeah. Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. How do you feel about jet skis?
There's a problem in the eastern Bay of Plenty. A
group of locals don't want jet skis at or he
were harbor anymore. They say it's a danger to beach goers,
it's a danger to wildlife. Do we need some more
rules around jet ski use? What do you say if
you are a jet ski own? I love to hear

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from you. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty get
a patrina.

Speaker 21 (01:26:37):
Hi, I'm not a jet you no, I'm a boat though.
But we used to go will we still go up
to Pookahenas, which is just out of south of Tarino, yep.
And there's a big history there and he hasn't been
there for the last couple of years, but he used
to come up. There was a policeman would be out
on a police jets.

Speaker 20 (01:26:56):
Oh wow, it was brilliant with something.

Speaker 21 (01:26:59):
Everyone's out over the bar out in the ocean and
they're having a ball on the jet skis that's coming
over the bar. The best thing that's watching them that
come holding in like not doing.

Speaker 9 (01:27:10):
The He could hear the siren of the police coming
along and everyone wants.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Here get behind that policeman on a jit Ski going
after the Dicky j I.

Speaker 5 (01:27:23):
Love that And what a great detail to have to
be the jit Ski cops. That would be boy, oh boy,
that would be the one you want you put your
hand up for.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Did he have flashing lights?

Speaker 21 (01:27:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:27:34):
He did.

Speaker 21 (01:27:34):
He had a piece up the back and like a
blue light that would go around he was. He had
a life jacket that had police and everything. You couldn't mistatum.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
Did he call did he ever call jit Ski policeman uniform?

Speaker 21 (01:27:48):
He could have did?

Speaker 10 (01:27:48):
Like the j Ski was it?

Speaker 21 (01:27:50):
Because then it was blue lights? It was it told
the whole thing.

Speaker 7 (01:27:56):
It was brilliant.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
That's the best thing over here. I love the idea
of jit Ski cops. More jet Ski cops on the beat.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
I can endure that. Thank you very much, Patrina Michael,
how are you?

Speaker 17 (01:28:10):
Oh good? Thanks?

Speaker 23 (01:28:11):
Guys, Look I'm probably about's become deeply unpopular and they
need to leave New Zealand. We actually need boat licenses here.
It's not just jetsks that are the problems. I've written
Jetsk for thirty years, I've raised them. I've got my
Jetsk license in Sydney, and the process in Sydney, I
think is actually a really good example. There are certain

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spots you can't take jet skis and unfortunately, like for example,
Sydney Harvey you can't take a jet ski anymore, but
you can go into Botany Bay. Yeah, and what it
does it kind of isolates it. Now, Look the reason
that happened is there's lots of yachts. You've got fairies,
and unfortunately it's the classic the minorities spoil it for
the majority. But look the benefit of having a license

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is I can't say I use Maritai Beach quite a bit.
And look, you know it's the idiots, typically the young.
You can go and buy these things and look they're
not that expensive. But you've got something that can go
zero to hundred and five seconds and you know it
can do one hundred k and hour and if you
don't know how to use it, I mean again, would

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you put someone in a car that could do that?
The answers, of course you wouldn't. So that's what we're
kind of doing. We're putting I hate say, kids, you
can jump on a jet ski by yourself at sixteen,
and it'd be like putting someone in a ferrari.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
Oh yeah, I got to say, Michael, you know, I've
played around on friends jet ski is quite a bit
and I am blowing by the speed that a jit
ski can go, Like I've been terrified by how fast
I've gone on a j ski.

Speaker 23 (01:29:44):
Yeah, And so look, the benefit of licensing is it
makes you appreciate the rules down. Look, you've got to
have an enforcement aspect to it as well. You can't
stop I mean, let's face it, you don't stop people
being idiots on roads. But what it does is it
creates a barrier to stop that yahoo effects. And more
importantly is the owner of the jet ski. In Australia,
for example, you get fined if you put someone on

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your jet ski that's not licensed, right, both parties. It's
the owner of the jet skis, but it's also the idiot.

Speaker 20 (01:30:11):
On the jet ski.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
And when you talk about a license, are you talking
about a license for the jet ski or a license
for the rider.

Speaker 23 (01:30:20):
It's actually so okay. So again I'm going to use
the New South Wales example because I think that's probably
the best one. So what happens in New South Wales
is you go and do your boat license, so everyone
who goes on the water that's in charge of editing
over I think five kilometers. Now you've got to have
a boat license. But if you then want to ride
a jet ski, you've actually got to go into an
actual jet ski course which normally straight after your boat license,

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and they're teaching you things like you know, a lot
of the jet skis don't have breaks on them, for example,
So it's where you get to use your own jet ski,
but it's under supervision, and then they give you a
jet ski license.

Speaker 4 (01:30:55):
If you rent a jet ski in New Zealand, I've
never done it before. They because you can just rent
them at beaches and stuff. Yeh, do they give you
a do they? They don't have any liability for the
way people behave on them.

Speaker 5 (01:31:09):
Is that what you're saying, Well.

Speaker 23 (01:31:11):
Because of acc there is no liability directly on provide.

Speaker 5 (01:31:16):
Now look course to the people.

Speaker 23 (01:31:18):
I know a few of the guys renting jet skis, Yeah,
and looks really good. They'll give you instruction, but they
can't stop you being an idiot. Whereas again in Sydney,
if you want to hire a jet ski you've got
to you've got to have a jet ski license.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Yeah. And how long have they had that in place
for in Australia.

Speaker 23 (01:31:33):
Ah, Look, I got mine before COVID, so it's got
to be at least ten years.

Speaker 27 (01:31:37):
I would say.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Was it controversial when it got broadened?

Speaker 23 (01:31:41):
Ah, looked like everything it's controversial. But the thing is
that it's stopped that Yahoo effect. And at the end
of the day, look, people, if you don't know what
you're doing on these things, a bit like a motorbike,
you will probably unfortunate. Jet ski you will probably be okay,
but you'll probably kill someone else. Yeah, and I mean
we're talking about swimmers and water people being towed behind,

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because again you can just jump on the jet ski
without knowing any of the voting rules, for example, under
five nots within two hundred meters. And so I'll give
you exact if you go down to Mariati Beach probably
now because it's the next day, you will find guys
doing one hundred and ten k an hour right next
to swimmers within fifty meters of the beach, and it's

(01:32:26):
a recipe of the disaster. I'm genuinely surprised we have
had more fatalities in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
And so with a license, what does it take to
sit the license? Is it to say you go out
for a practical test in the license?

Speaker 23 (01:32:38):
Yeah, so the boat course again i'll use you South Wales.
So you've got to do a theoretical and I think
you can only get like four or five wrongs. So
again it's a bit like doing your l plates, which
my dad has just done. But then they also do
a practical where again you're out in a boat with
an instructor and there's normally a group of you and
they're testing you going through like it's a practical as well.

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Then if you want to then go and do your
jet ski part, then it's another probably hour and a
half and this is where again you're actually on a
jet skin. They're showing you different things how to do
certain things. Again, I think it's actually a really good
way to approach it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:14):
But if you did that with jet skis in New Zealand.
Then you'd have to do that with boats as well,
and that would be pretty limiting, wouldn't it for people.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Like I think they do that in Aussie with boats
as well, don't they, Michael, Yeah, they do so.

Speaker 23 (01:33:26):
Victoria and New South Wales in Queensland definitely have it.
I don't know about the other states, but that's what
I'm saying here, that you'd be crazy not to do,
like your entry course, which is a boat master here. Yeah.
But again the reason I say having licensing here is
because again I've often been on heading out towaihiki, you've

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got some boat coming out at you from Starvard not
giving you, you know, in your you're not they're not
giving you right up money, which of course they're so.
I mean like, the boaties, with all due respect, are
not much better than the yahoo's on jet skee's. Now,
unfortunately jet skis you tend to see and notice more
than bonies. But there's a lot of boaties out there
that don't know the rules.

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
Yeah, well, that's definitely true.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Good all, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I thought
that sounds pretty logical. How would you feel about mandating
licenses for not just jet skis, but boat users as
well as Michael said against it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
Why, I just think that the I can totally see
the point of it, but I just think getting out
of the water is a really beautiful thing and it's
something that kiwi's is very important to us. And I
just think you would then start licensing boati's and that
really limits who can get out on a boat, because

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you might only be going out on a boat, and
you might be very sensible, but you're only on holiday
a couple of weeks a year, so you're just out
and about and going out for a little fish innocently,
and you need to get a license to do it.
That seems too much to me.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
But maybe not a practical Most boat owners I know
have gone through the day Skipper's course, and from memory,
if someone's done it recently, loved to hear from you
on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I believe
it's only a couple of hours that you go down,
you answer questions to make sure you know how to
operate a boat, know the rules, and boom you get
your license. But can you hear from you? Nine two
nine two is the text number. It's twenty six past three.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty eighty on Youth Talk zby Good afternoon.

Speaker 33 (01:35:25):
Chris, Get on, man, it's not so much rules and so.
But I just wanted to mention that the one and
only time I went on a jet ski, I burnt myself,
the worst I've ever burnt myself.

Speaker 7 (01:35:41):
It was funny. It was we were in fig and
we thought, oh, let's get a jet ski and it
was one of those ones where you sit on and
it has like sells on the side of it. Will
you put your feet right? And well, I didn't realize
was that there was a pool of water on each
of the sells. And we went to different islands and

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the sun was always on the left hand side and
that was fine, and then it was one of the
hottest stays in the area at the time. And then
on my back the sun was on the right hand's side,
which meant that it was the same foot and I
got my foot hurt at that worked out in the
morning and my foot had swollen into about six times

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a size because the water had magnified. The sun oh cheaper,
and I couldn't even walk.

Speaker 13 (01:36:31):
The whole.

Speaker 34 (01:36:33):
The whole holiday was wasted basically because I couldn't walk
for two days and the whole top end of my
skin on my left foot just basically came off.

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
Horrible, So that that's an interesting jit ski.

Speaker 7 (01:36:50):
And then I had to go to a hospital and
TG just to try and work. I had to deal
with it because it was hurting. I couldn't so I
couldn't walk. It was very vaiful, and the hospital just said, well,
there's not much we can do with it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
Cream clearly.

Speaker 5 (01:37:08):
I once was.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
I was on a cruise ship and I fell asleep
on the deck and my ankles got so sunburned that
they swelled up to the point that I had cankeles
and I had.

Speaker 5 (01:37:19):
To get this is humilidding story this year, actually.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
But this is on a Sunbard though, wasn't It was
this on a Sunbard on a cruise ship. Yeah, yeah,
but you're on the sun beard and the pool area
of the cruise ship sun deck, sun deck.

Speaker 20 (01:37:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:31):
It wasn't in a sun bed no. No, yeah, yeah,
I see we're saying no, yeah.

Speaker 31 (01:37:35):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:37:35):
I was just lying by the pool there and on
the on the deck and got such a terrible sunburn
cankles and had to be wheeled around a wheelchair. That's humiliating.
They my ankles got bigger than my thighs. I didn't
even know that could happen from sunburn, that that your
ankles could swell up, and that was It was humiliating

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because people were saying, what happened?

Speaker 5 (01:38:00):
Why? Why are you in this wheelchair? And it was sunburn?

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
Thank you for sharing candles storry cankles on the cruise ship.
I had hundred eighty. Now before we get to the headlines,
you got a wee teas.

Speaker 5 (01:38:12):
Oh yeah, I've got a question for you. Yeah, how
big do you think the global jet ski market is?
Billions and dollars? Well? Is it billions?

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Definitely billions?

Speaker 5 (01:38:24):
You think it's definitely billions?

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Yeah, worldwide?

Speaker 5 (01:38:26):
Yeah, easy, entire jet ski market.

Speaker 4 (01:38:28):
You know, you may be thinking a higher number because
we live in a very in a country with a
lot of coast and we're a very sea going country.
But yeah, what do you think it is? Nine two
nine two the total total value of the jet ski
market in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
I'm going to throw out ten billion, but that's still glue.
It's a lot of dosh. Oh one hundred eighty ten
eighty it's twenty nine to four.

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Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Thank you very much, ray Lean. It is twenty five
to four.

Speaker 4 (01:40:11):
I asked the very exciting question before the break, because
we're talking about jet jet skis. What's the total value
of the jetski market and.

Speaker 5 (01:40:19):
Industry in the entire world?

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
Yep, someone got it right, but I think that person
got it right probably googled it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
I love the sticks, though someone gives nine hundred and
seventy two million. Very specific. And why aren't jet skis
called botorcycles?

Speaker 22 (01:40:33):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
If they could go back, because I think jet ski
is a terrible name for a jet ski. It's not
really a jet ski, it's not really a ski. They
need to change it to botorcyclescycles. We need to go
back in time and find the person that if I
got into a time machine, I go back in time
and suggest motorcycles back then it as the total value.
Thank you for all your text on nine two nine
two three point one eight eight billion new Zealand dollars

(01:40:59):
globally spent on jet.

Speaker 5 (01:41:01):
Skis a year.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
It's a lot of jet ski.

Speaker 5 (01:41:04):
That's in twenty twenty three. Yeah, that is a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:41:06):
Maybe that was a lot of money spend on jet skis,
you know, coming out of the pandemic. Yeah, but yeah,
that's a lot of money even spend on the jitski market.

Speaker 30 (01:41:14):
Isn't that?

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
It's a good facts Idie Giday, how are you good?

Speaker 5 (01:41:18):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Now we were talking about licenses for boat and jitski
users as well. Are you a big note to that idea?

Speaker 20 (01:41:25):
Definitely, definitely what that Australian guy failed to say. Like
I lived in Australia for fifteen years and the licensing
came out about eleven years ago in Australia, being licensed
stop accidents that happened over there. Like as I said,
if you're going to get idiots, idiots whether you've got
a license or not, will be idiots. Yeah, you know,

(01:41:47):
it was just well I suppose me personally, it's just
a revenue collection of setting the licenses and as I
want to use for saying earlier on, it restricts people
that just want to get out on the water on
the weekend relax that are doing nothing wrong. You know,
they're getting funnis for them. I listened to it earlier

(01:42:07):
on out people not wanting jet skis here or not
wanting jet skis there. You know, it's not going to
stop it. It doesn't matter whether you're license or you're
not licensed.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
Are you a boater yourself eating?

Speaker 14 (01:42:22):
Pardon?

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
Are you a boaty?

Speaker 26 (01:42:24):
Yes?

Speaker 20 (01:42:24):
I am, definitely you would have.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
Done did you do your day skippers or no?

Speaker 20 (01:42:28):
Yes I did. I did that through through the coast
guard and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
Yeah, so you're a responsible boaty. But I mean license
might be a little bat two extreme. But if you've
got if you if it was compulsory to do your
day skippers, would you be more in favor of that?

Speaker 20 (01:42:45):
Definitely, definitely, And more so like for emergencies in that
out out in the open seat, Yeah, you know, like
like we go up to the Coromander or locked and
launch a boat up there and and we stay out
for two or three days.

Speaker 15 (01:43:02):
You know.

Speaker 20 (01:43:02):
But there's just normal recreational fishermen that just go out
for the day. And but as I say, mate, you know,
like it's like on the roads, you get idiots, they
lose their license, doesn't stop them from driving, doesn't stop
them from being idiots.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:43:21):
Well, one thing I would say about boating, which is
incredibly terrifying. And you know, I've been out on a
number of boats with people that are really quite experienced,
and when when conditions change, it can be so terrifying
out there. I think education into boating is such an
important thing. Yeah, boy boy, there is little more terrifying

(01:43:43):
out there than the ocean when it turns on you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Oh here kire recently over summer, and I mentioned before,
got some friends who are boat. He's got the boat
and the mulbra sounds and you go past the heads
into cook straight and ordinarily, you know, ten years ago,
maybe we were a little bit more reckless than we
should have been. But we went out there and the
waves and the swell was huge coming at us from
all directions. And thankfully we're wise enough now to say,

(01:44:07):
because we had a crab pot out there, cray pot, rather,
we made the decision to go back. But ten years
ago we might have thought, no, we're got to get
that craypot, let's go, and it would have been trouble.

Speaker 5 (01:44:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:44:17):
Hey, So before I was talking about my cankels. You
know how I got sun burnt. Someone else was talking
about getting some burnt on a jet ski. I was
talking about how I got cankels and I was sunburnt
on a cruise ship. Have you got photos of that?
I have, Actually, I'd love them. And I got a
text from someone, a very cruel text in nine two
nine two, saying Matt talks about himself too much. No
one cares about his.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Cank Oh, I care about your candles?

Speaker 5 (01:44:39):
Would he please shut up?

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
And look?

Speaker 4 (01:44:42):
I will shut up about my kenkeles very soon, because
I do appreciate your feedback. But I thought this was
a really good text that someone sent through on nine two,
nine two. I just caught the part about ankles swelling
up due to sunburnt Matt's cankeles. I tried ringing but
couldn't get through. My dad's ankles used to swell up
from sunburn and he passed away from melanoma. Please please
do mul that mull mole maps. Not trying to be scary,

(01:45:02):
but growing up, we'd say that the sun poisoned dad
and he didn't know about melanoma. Very good text there, Yeah, boy,
oh boy, you don't want to get cankles, and yeah,
mole maps are important in fact getting I'm getting a
mole checked next week.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
Actually, yeah, very good. Oh on one hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to cool or squeeze Andrew and
before break it to Andrew.

Speaker 24 (01:45:23):
Yeah, good, guys. The message for a few people about
your conversations. It's always a hot topic.

Speaker 17 (01:45:29):
Good.

Speaker 24 (01:45:29):
I've been fishing off skis for about seventeen years and
it sort of gives you a different perspective about there
are practical uses for them as well, and not everybody
is obviously the hone or the petrol head that just
wanted to show off at the beach. Yeah, you guys
are right though. If there's some form of licensing or
more education to teach people about responsible writing, it would

(01:45:53):
be really great for the industry. Like the fishing perspective
off Seedos and other jetskey manufacturers. That's like the majority
of the market now of what the use of skis
are for a New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (01:46:08):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 4 (01:46:10):
And I agree with you on the fishing on jet skis.
I've been involved in some a couple of situations where
you're out fishing and you go out with a couple
of mates and you strap yourself together. You strap three
when you get to your fishing spot to strap these
jetsy together and great day.

Speaker 5 (01:46:27):
It's a great time.

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
And then you pick another another zone and your you
zip off and meet up there again.

Speaker 5 (01:46:32):
That is a really good day.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
I think Matt Watson was pretty big on the old
jet ski fishing, wasn't he.

Speaker 24 (01:46:38):
He's definitely had a guard that's done some pretty amazing catches.
Often if one of you guys haven't actually done it,
I'll quite happily get you out there on a fish
pro and show you what it's all about, because it
is another way to look at the whole sport as
an industry and everybody can just do there a little
bit and just rather than one perfection sort of ruining

(01:47:01):
for everyone else. It is a bit of a shame.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
You're changing my mind.

Speaker 5 (01:47:05):
Andrew writ is number down. He'll take care Tyler, and
you change your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
I'm dead, king John, how are you good thing?

Speaker 28 (01:47:14):
I am a keen proponent, and I don't work for Coastguard,
but I'm a very keen proponent that every boat he
should be a member of Coastguard and should do a
minimum amount of learning. I got a larger boat and
I did my boat masters. All that turned me into
was a bit of a pain in the posterior because

(01:47:36):
no one enforces the rules that are out there, and
you can know that there are flags and things that.

Speaker 29 (01:47:43):
You should have up.

Speaker 28 (01:47:44):
When a larger boat is at anger, it should have
a black ball hanging off the front to let someone
coming near that you've got to chain, or a rope
out in the front of your boat. I've never seen
one yet. A yacht that is either sails up or
sails down but is under power is considered a power boat,
and it should be carrying an upside down black triangle

(01:48:04):
to let you know that it is under power and
to be treated as a motivate. But no one never
does it. You've never seen it. No, it doesn't exist.
And even now you go out on the harbor. I
was sitting at a coffee this morning watching the white
matar and fairies full of full as fairies are ripping
up and down the passage there. They are a high

(01:48:28):
speed boat and they're meant to have a flashing orange
light and they don't bother. So it really is a
bit of a sham that the rules that exist are
not enforced. But I'd even go as far as saying
I'm in favor of licensing because at least it brings
it some degree of responsibility. And the other aspect, which

(01:48:48):
I'll finish on, how many people do we hear who
think they can go out over a bar, the most
dangerous things that you can have, and yet you get
four or five big blokes and an open tinny, hopefully
with light jackets. I'm going out through the manek our heads.
I wouldn't touch it in the decent side, but people

(01:49:10):
don't know the dangers.

Speaker 5 (01:49:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean one hundred percent. People need to
enjoy the ocean, but they need to fear it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
Yeah. And so with that in mind, John, I mean,
can you get that from a day skipper's course? If
we don't go licensing but compulsory, you've got to go
do that training. And I get your point, whether it's
you know, we can't have police on the water all
the time checking everybody's that they've got their day skipper's course,
But is that some way to go to try and
get some respect for the ocean?

Speaker 20 (01:49:39):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
Nicely.

Speaker 28 (01:49:42):
Sorry, You go to an education, any form of education,
and any discipline. Why do you think people go to
motorbike school? Any form of that has got to be beneficial.
And I'm also listening to your previous guy about three
ago who said that people ripped through areas at ridiculous

(01:50:02):
speeds when it is a two hundred meter and ask
anyone how far is two hundred meters when you're at sea,
and it'll probably be fifteen meters. You go out there,
you're fishing, and these high speed boats will go past
you within fifty meters and your rock and roll and
get chopped up and they don't give a toss. Yeah,
it's all part of what should be encourriage. And I

(01:50:25):
got pulled up by the boat master what do you
call him? The habermaster, and he reckons I was speeding
inside the twelve knot zone, which I told him I wasn't,
and he got all nasty and I said, well, I
don't care. I cut back to twelve knots when I
hit that speed.

Speaker 29 (01:50:42):
Oh well that's not the place you dumped the cut
bag earlier.

Speaker 28 (01:50:44):
I'll let you off on this occasion. He wasn't even
very nice about it. But where are rules and we
should follow them?

Speaker 19 (01:50:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:50:52):
I think so much for your call.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
There John, plenty of teams coming through, and I know
that you didn't want to talk about your cankels.

Speaker 5 (01:50:58):
An no, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 (01:50:59):
I would talk about my kenkels all day. There was
just a couple of textas that said they didn't want
to hear about my kinkles. And then I talk about
myself too much. I'll talk about myself all day.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
Every time he's coming through, I want to hear more
about the cankeles, love eddies, cankel stories. Keep them coming.

Speaker 4 (01:51:14):
White man like pork sausage, can't stand the heats as
this person, I think that is accurate. I look ever
since I got the candles and look, slip slap, slap,
sun wise boy, do I rub a lot of lotion
on those handles? Now what I'm out and about in
the summer?

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
David, how are you?

Speaker 14 (01:51:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:51:33):
Good?

Speaker 20 (01:51:34):
Thanks fellas.

Speaker 27 (01:51:34):
Good.

Speaker 29 (01:51:35):
Look, I've just returned over from back from Australia, and
I believe listening to you show that you've got to
be registered over in Australia. Well, I'll tell you what
going we're on one of the furies are how many
boats went past us with nobody wearing life jackets? So

(01:51:56):
at least over here, everybody has to wear a life jacket.
Over there, it was a freaking shoke. No life jackets on.
There were shame kids on the boat rollo.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
So it doesn't make much sense, doesn't Yeah, it really doesn't.

Speaker 29 (01:52:15):
A lot of time, it's a lot of time. I've
gone out and I go from one time there and
there's a boat master but it's the same tag and
he is policing it, and you know it does equals up.
I just have to make sure that everybody's not their
life checkets on. But as to your previous caller, I

(01:52:37):
got pulled over in the York from Harbor for the
half Master because I had a bell rider and the
guy tries to say, you can't bear right it's a
bell rider.

Speaker 6 (01:52:50):
By the.

Speaker 29 (01:52:51):
Yeah, I just couldn't believe. Under the Sydney half Bridge
there was both flying passes almost like they were almost
on the ground and no last tickets of.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Unbelievable, just just on the life jackets is a manta
sorry to wear them in New Zealand or you just
have to have them on the vessel.

Speaker 19 (01:53:12):
Well, it depends, no, no, no, no, you've got to
wear them.

Speaker 29 (01:53:17):
I'm pretty sure boats under.

Speaker 9 (01:53:22):
Whatever their feet.

Speaker 29 (01:53:24):
Well, mate, no, maybe you have.

Speaker 25 (01:53:26):
To wear them if you had pulled up.

Speaker 29 (01:53:31):
Or even around here. I'm pyre.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
Yeah, we'll look into that. I mean, look, I agree,
if you're on the boat and you're fanging along, a
life jacket's an absolutely good idea if you're a diver,
I mean, divers would argue that the wetsuit would still
point and connect as a life jacket. But I'm right,
life jacket.

Speaker 5 (01:53:48):
But my dad was shout out to me. If he's listening,
I'm sure he isn't.

Speaker 4 (01:53:51):
But if he is, boy or boy, was he hardcore
on the life jackets. Now, we would have to put
our life jackets on as we got out of the car,
so so we'd be we'd be you know, wheeling, you know,
wheeling the trailer sailor down into the water with all
our life jackets on. And as a kid, I found
it hugely embarrassing.

Speaker 5 (01:54:11):
I see other friends down putting the yachts in the water,
and we'd all have our life jackets on.

Speaker 4 (01:54:16):
But I respect it now, Yeah, because all he wanted
to do was make sure we had their life jackets
on and not have to think about it. But yeah, boy,
oh boy, he really, really really enforced the lie life
jacket rules.

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
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Speaker 27 (01:55:14):
You said before about licensing, there's a barrier to actually
get people in boating. Well, I don't think it's true
if you actually use commute based training for your training
and your licensing, and that's accessible when you're giving people
excess not only your knowledge but also the actual you know,
putting a pub exam and so could it actually make

(01:55:37):
it a lot successible and you can actually get that
knowledge across.

Speaker 5 (01:55:40):
Yeah, well brilliant. Thank you for that. That's a great suggestion.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
Yeah, I love it. A great way to finish off
change my mind about gets Kisara, you love them? Yeah, yeah,
I'm okay with a bittern from time to time.

Speaker 5 (01:55:49):
What about my canicles? Do you care about them?

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
I love your canicles. I want to see the photos.
Where you want to see the photos? Bring them in tomorrow, please, Hey,
thank you very much for today. Great show tomorrow.

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It's been a lot of fun. Hey, and give a
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