Full Show Podcast: 02 April 2025

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I've just been out for a coffee with my good
buddy and we were talking about white Lotus. The TV
show watched on Neon, so the finale is out on Monday,
four pm, New Zealand Time. The penultimate episode, I watched
a couple of days ago, and everything's coming together. It
started off a bit slow, but it's all coming together
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(03:24):
I'm not going to do any spoilers.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
It was a tense watch though, the penultimate I've got
to say loved it.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, very tense. And I've just read this article last
night in The Atlantic by a great writer called Helen Lewis,
and she writes about the show. Mike White is not
just the writer of The White Loatus, he is also
it's created director and executive producer. It's a great article,
and I'm surprised that he doesn't do the catering and
animal handling too. This unusual level of control makes the

(03:52):
White Lotus the poll opposite of, say, the Marvel films,
which feel like they're written by one committee, edited by another,
and marketed by a third. She goes on to say,
and what has White Loatus done with this unusual level
of creative control. He has made the first great work
of art in the postwoke era. He treats his characters
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(04:15):
and he insists on plot points that would unnerve a
sensitive view to viewer. It's interesting, isn't it. So you know,
you don't know by because for the longest time, Hollywood
has been making shows where the group that someone's from
will decide how they behave. So's that's not a surprise, right,
it's not a surprise. But that's not what Mike White does.

(04:36):
It's an incredible show and it's kind of the the
I guess the trap that Chloe Schwarbrook's fallen into when
she's made assumptions about a large group of people and said,
because they are this group of people, this is what
they believe. And in you know, watching one News last night,
there was someone from that community pushing back and saying,

(04:57):
this isn't what we all believe. And you know, that's
a problem in politics, but in writing it's a bigger
It's a huge problem in writing because there's no surprises.
If you assign cliche opinions to everyone that in a script,
then there's no surprises how they're going to behave. Yeah,
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(05:18):
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White Lotus is so, so very good.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, brilliant writing and so unpredictable. But that so that
was in the Atlantic, was it?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
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Yep, absolutely so looking forward to that. On to today's
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Speaker 2 (06:51):
No more dumb dodoo. Very good. Yeah, thank you. We're
going to talk to Mikey Havocks. It's just been revealed
a big secret at the end of Cookie Bear's life
that Mikey Havoc was Cookie Beer all along. You might
have it from television and radio, a great New Zealander. Yeah,
he was the Cookie Bear. Old have out of anybody

(07:13):
to be the Cookie Monster. I wouldn't think Mikey Evock
really no, I think I think I think it's perfect.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, perfect, what makes sense now, But looking forward to
even to chat to Mikey Havock after three o'clock. Then
we want to have a chat about the greatest our
New Zealand icons of all time, the Griffin's Cookie Bear
would certainly be up there after two o'clock. Keywis are
not earning enough, apparently and feeling unfulfilled in their job,
which is leading to feeling of career regret. That is
according to a survey by sick.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, And I just want to answer the ask the
question on eight hundred and eighteen eighty do we expect
too much? Have we all been sold the lie that
we're all special and we're going to follow our dreams
and our mission in life is to reach the perfect
job that's in line perfectly with us When very few
people manage to do that, isn't the proper no one,

(08:01):
I guess proper is not the word. But isn't a
heroic life a life where you work hard and you
provide for your family and you do some stuff in
the community, and that's the life that should be celebrated.
Have we been sort of sold the impossible goal of
reaching the job that's completely in line with what our

(08:22):
soul is?

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Good question?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Because I don't know. I mean, I think if you
work hard and your job, that your job doesn't have
to define you. You work hard, you make some money,
you bring it home, you feed your kids, you put
a roof over them, and then then you know, maybe
you help out at the local club. Boom, great life.
You should be celebrated for that life. That's fantastic. And

(08:45):
I just wonder with people's dissatisfaction with their jobs is
because they believe that they should be doing something special.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
We're going to get deep into that after two o'clock,
but right now, let's have a chat about this napier
B and B owner. His name is Mario Schmidt. He's
the owner of the Bluff Hill Lighthouse BMB and napier
and he started to turn away American guests who vote
Republican because he's got a problem with Donald Trump and
what happened with some of his policies in the Ukraine.

(09:11):
So he has canceled the booking of every American guest
who has booked a bed with him since February and
has told them to blame Donald Trump for that. He
told The New Zealand Hero of the counselation email he
had sent to one would be guessed, in which he
says the BnB had changed its guest policy since the
Ukraine President Vladimir's Lenskin Trump's disastrous meeting in the White

(09:34):
House in February. He went on to say that he
now asks every American guest to come in to prove
that they vote Democrat or else they're not going to
be able to stay with him.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, so if you can prove you're a Democrat, you
can stay there. Otherwise you can't. And he's saying that
he's doing this to fight fascism, which seems a little
bit ironic when you're demanding people's political beliefs before you
let them under the roof of your house. I mean,
it seems to me. And I don't know this guy,
but it seems to me that he is deep in
a rabbit hole. I would be surprised if he wasn't

(10:07):
spending a lot of time line YEP and social media.
But is this just symptomatic of us all being too
obsessed with American politics?

Speaker 3 (10:17):
You know?

Speaker 2 (10:17):
I mean the first question is it right to do this?
Is it right to ask people for their political beliefs
before you let them come and stay at your place?
It doesn't seem very right to me. But yeah, the
second question is are we too focused on American politics?
And is like, is there nothing to sort out in
our own community that you have to focus this much
on American politics. Yeah, you know, do you know someone
who is too focused on American politics or do you

(10:39):
think it's healthy to focus on and ban people who
disagree with you from your business in life?

Speaker 4 (10:45):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (10:45):
One hundred eighty ten eighty is that I'm going to call?
And I mentioned a little bit earlier we had some
friends who have come back from Canada and they are
surprised how obsessed New Zealanders are with American politics. Obviously,
that is a big question to ask people on that
side of the world about the tariffs and how you're
feeling with everything going on. But when we caught up
with them, they said, nobody really cares. Yes, we keep

(11:07):
up with the day to day politics, but it is
not as crazy as it is here. We are not
obsessed with it. We're not freaking out about it. But somehow,
in some reason, Kiwi's by and large, freak out about
things that are not impacting them the way that they
are impecked in others.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well, we're talking about getting havoc on the show the
other side of the Havocan Newsboys show. I was talking
to and he was recently ever in the States and
he was telling me that, as far as he could tell,
New Zealanders care more about American politics than Americans do.
We see the news where there's people burning down tesselas
and there's people yelling and screaming, But that's the news cycle,

(11:44):
the day to day of Americans. There's an argument that
they don't. They're not as stressed out about it as
much as we are. But you know, my naive should
we should we be running around and banning people we
disagree with and freaking out about American politics over our
own local body politics?

Speaker 4 (12:02):
You know?

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call love to hear your thoughts on this one. It
is steam past one, the.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
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Speaker 3 (12:18):
Be good afternoon, And there's eighteen past one, and we're
talking about this gentleman down in Bluff Murrio. Schmidt is
his name. He's the owner of the Bluff Hill Lighthouse. Oh,
not down in Bluff, excuse me. He's a napier, but
he owns the Bluff Hill Lighthouse B and B, and
he is turning away American guests who vote Republican due
to Donald Trump's stance on Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
He's requiring them to prove that they are Democrats before
they came in, which is interesting as this Texas says,
what about the Dems that voted for Trump? So many
people voted for Trump, that there are a lot of
Dems that were unhappy with the Democratic Party and did
vote for Trump. And you know, independence Independence broke for
Trump heavily in the in the American election as well.
So I'm just looking at the Bluff Hill Lighthouse and

(13:00):
I say, the people that aren't getting to go are
missing out. It's very very cool. It's I don't know
how you'd exactly describe it, lots of paneling, it's the
bathrooms are very very cool. It's so nicely dicked out.
And obviously he's a huge fan of lighthouses because it's

(13:20):
keeping that theme. And I think he's actually been in
the past, he's been looking he loves lighthouses, and this
guy has been looking for specific pipe parts for lfehouses lighthouses,
So he's down a lighthouse rabbit hole. But I would
say it sounds like he's also down an American politics
rabbit hole as well. Yeah, and I just think if

(13:41):
you're doing that, my personal opinion is that you have
lost your way a little bit. But just looking at
some of the reviews, eight point seven this person gives
it after over seventy five reviews seventy four reviews on
the site, it's at eight point seven.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
The location was spectacular, and Mario was super helpful and informative.
The quickness of the accommodation, the quirkiness of the accommodation
adds to the whole experience. So the reviews are spectacular
for the Bluff Hill Lighthouse be BnB. Yeah, but you're
not allowed in there unless you can prove if you're an American,
unless you can prove that you didn't vote Republican.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, and again, how does he prove that you didn't
vote for Donald Trump? But he goes on to say
that if they can prove they are a Democrat, he
will honor the booking. If they don't, then the Republicans
get their money back.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
of cool people.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Are supporting him. Good on him standing up for his principles,
even though he must be surely moving money that's from
losing money. That's from Tony. Oh my god, I love
this guy. Give him a medal. What a hero. I'm
going to do the same thing. You have to admit
it's a better way to protest than burning down a
Tesla dealership. Well, I would say it's a much better
way than burning down a Tesla dealership. And the people

(14:57):
that even consider violence against Tesla's or you know, vandalism
against Tesla's or anything like that have absolutely lost their
freaking minds.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, that is quite a serious crime, whereas saying that
someone can't come into EBMB because they vote Republican not
a crime, just a bit weird.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Sharon, you run a B and B and you've got
two schools of thought on this. Sharon, Hello, Hello.

Speaker 6 (15:28):
To me, Hello, I don't ever ask my guests that question.
I don't think politics nor religion as any of my business.
But that's me. He has his own business, so it's
up to him how he would like to run it,
so I don't have any problem with that. I'm wondering
if he puts it on his advertising about that, you know,
because not everybody you know, like he was listed on Airbnb.

(15:52):
I think you'll find it's going to probably get into
a bit of trouble because you're not actually allowed to discriminate.
So you know, he's a little bit careful there in
that in that regard. But you know, like I said,
if he wants to do that, it's his business, fine,
and he's letting people know, so that's okay. But I
would never do it.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, I mean, is it okay? Though it does seem
a little bit, I don't know. So would you think
it was okay? Say if I opened an Airbnb and
I said no members, no, you had to prove that
you didn't vote for that, you were a member of
the National Party before you're allowed to stay there.

Speaker 6 (16:31):
Well, I mean, yes, it never would be interesting. I mean,
if you want to do that, and I said, it's
entirely up to you, but I would never.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
Never.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
I just I wouldn't do it. It's just not me.
I mean I've had host in two thousand and nine.
It never cut crops up. I mean, how do you
just well, you know, I mean depends how he's asking,
if he's asking them over the phone, whatever, and then
had to prove it. That's different. But I mean some
Canadian people could be taken for Americans, you know, you know,

(17:04):
it could be a bit done.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
I mean, and the question so proving that they're a
Democrat is quite interesting. So how do you do that?
You I mean, obviously you can't. You can't show which
way you voted. I mean, you're going to you know,
you don't have that slip. But you know what, you
have to show that you're a member of the Democratic
Party because you know, very few people are actually members
of the parties. You know, you could be you could you.

Speaker 6 (17:27):
Do, a card caring member of that party, and you
have to show that, I mean, how do you define that?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
It seems very wrong to me. I've got to say, Sharon,
and I think it's not I think for his you know,
mental health as well. It seems that he's maybe way
too invested in something that he doesn't necessarily need to
be invested in, because what you know, maybe you know,
maybe he would meet a Republican and maybe there's just

(17:52):
just a chance that they have something to say that
he doesn't fully understand that they could explain something. Because
you know, when you when you know, when you ban people,
you're you're also banning your chance to listen to their
point of view.

Speaker 6 (18:06):
So yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
But anyway, Sharon, can you want to plug your ear
bit your your B and B cool?

Speaker 6 (18:16):
If you would like me to, it would be lovely.
We are called Ready Yeah, kind of reviews eco lodge.
We're an off the grid eco lodge, just looking the
house and just north of Open City.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
And everyone of all political persuasions welcome.

Speaker 6 (18:33):
Yes, we enjoy the chat.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Good news.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
That's actually good point before you go share. And I
guess in the B and B you do chat to
people more than a hotel or a motel, so you
are going to have to experience the people's personalities. Is
that correct?

Speaker 7 (18:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (18:50):
Well, the hours of our mind are dwelling on our properties,
but they're not actually in our house, right Still, greet
them and chat to them and all that sort of thing,
and we have some great conversations and we've met some
fabulous people, and we just love meeting people. That's why
I'm in the business I'm in.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Would you talk about politics, Sharon, if someone did come
from America and you know, as we're talking about, yeah,
there is quite an obsession with American politics, would you
raise that as as a topic.

Speaker 6 (19:19):
And why in this statement? I would never raise it.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, and why why wouldn't you raise it?

Speaker 6 (19:25):
Because it can get a bit well, I guess it
depends kind of how you talk about it, but I
can get a bit sort of difficult, shall we say?

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, Well, well I think I think it's also massively impolite. Yeah,
so someone sits down, you know, you meet someone that
you're you know, showing them around. You go, by the way,
did you vote for Trump? A very bizarre thing to do,
but that's essentially what this guy's doing. Yeah, exactly, And
as you say, it's as business, but you know, it
doesn't doesn't sit well with me. Hey, but thank you

(19:54):
so much for your call, Sharon, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, thank you very much. I mean, just on that point,
you know, what was the rule that you when you
sit down at a dinner table in polite conversation, you
don't talk politics, you don't talk religion. And I think
there was one more in there, but it seems I
I think that's gone a little bit out the window now.
I think a lot of people are eager to talk
about politics that might be somewhat controversial, that might get

(20:17):
a little bit tense, and that is what that is
what plays into the obsession a little bit. It is
dramatic and people want to know what side you may
be on't. I don't buy into that. I think you
know the whole tribal nature of politics. Now it does
my heading, but that seems to be, you know what
a lot of people want to want to play into.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
I mean, what percentage of your life should be politics
is the question. So this guy is saying that all
New Zealand accommodation businesses must start to resist the Trump
and Musk regime. Doing nothing is no longer an option.
We must raise awareness of the breakdown of democracy in
the US. So obviously politics is more than say five percent.

(20:57):
For this guy, the politics is hugely important. And he
thinks he's sitting there at the Bluff Hill Lighthouse and
he's at there on the front lines of fighting again
against the Republican Party on the other side of the world.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
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Speaker 3 (22:01):
Good afternoon, and we are discussing this B and B
owner in NAPER who is excluding or refuse to allow
Americans who voted for Donald Trump or Republicans to say
it is BMB.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Mary says on nine two nine two, which is why
hotels are so much better. I can't believe the parsimonianous
nature of this person. He will go broke if he's
not careful. I mean, as someone else pointed out, you
know how many people, how many Americans are trying to
book at the Bluff Hill Lighthouse. He did send a
letter into the Hawks Bay today detailing a letter I

(22:37):
believe that outlined why his letter to turning down someone.
I'll actually look into that prove it. But yeah, and just.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
On the cost thing, he said his latest stance head
cost him two bookings roughly five hundred bucks worth a business,
but it would not have much of a financial impact
for him. He's retired, he says, so I do not
rely on the income from the B and B anymore.
I host people for reasons beyond just making money, so
it doesn't really have much of an financial impact on him.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
I mean, I worry about him, That's kind of my point.
And worry about him and extension, worry about everyone that
is too embroiled in American politics, spending too much time online,
as I assume he is by his talking points, which
are talking points that are bashed out on social media
to people. You know, as you read down, it appears
to me that he's in a bubble that's hitting one

(23:27):
side of the equation. And when that happens, you start
to repeat these things over and over again.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, I mean, so I worry about his health, mental health,
just worrying so much about something that's so far away
from you. Sure you might want to. I mean, what
percentage of your time should you spend worry about American politics.
I'm going to say three percent of your time maximum,
that's an absolute maximum.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
That sounds a good ratio, actually, but.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I'm worried that New Zealand as a country is spending
I'm going to say fifty percent of their time worrying
about it.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah. I mean, we're in a job where we have
to be across some things that happen in American politics,
how it relates to our own life here and in
politics in New Zealand. But this time around, actually after
the first presidency of Donald Trump, then I started to
remove myself off some of the social media platforms because
I realized I was getting far too deep and it

(24:20):
was not doing good things for mine.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Play overall health, You're getting played by the algorithm. Yeah,
but I see that happening now. I see that happening
with friends who are deep into these videos on TikTok
and Instagram that are clearly, let's not muck around it,
it's propaganda. It is propaganda that they have been fared
And I look at how anxious they are about that.
Some of it, some of it's propaganda, and some of

(24:43):
it is just that the algorithms and social media magnify
the most extreme views, so you start seeing them all
the time. And if you start taking on the most
extreme views, then I don't think it's good for you. Guys.
I have friends in Rotrul with an airbnb. They are
staunched labor supporters. They won't welcome clients to their BnB
unless they are left supporters, either local or foreign tourists. Wow,

(25:05):
so what are they going? Aw do you vote for?
And someone says national? No, No, not for you, No,
they're going to person comes up? Who'd you vote for? Labour?
Getting there?

Speaker 3 (25:17):
I'm going to go bankrupt as well, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Do they not stop for a second to think that
that's a very weird way to behave.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call headlines with Wendy and then we'll take a
few more of your phone calls. It is twenty six to.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Two eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 10 (25:36):
Youth talk said the headlines, Well it's blue bubble taxis
it's no trouble with a blue Bubble Health. New Zealand
and police have apologized over a child being taken to
a mental health facility and drugged, mistaken for a distressed
woman in her twenties. Both organizations have been reviewing the
mistake and are improving processes. Thirteen people have been injured,

(25:56):
at least too seriously after a crash between a car
and a van at Mutterpoo and South Taranaki. A man's
been in court today accused of injuring police officers by
ramming vehicles and lower Hut last night with a child
in the car. The PSA is accusing the Minister of
hidden agenda and reforming the public service, saying reinforcing merit

(26:17):
based appointments as a nonsense because they have been for
more than one hundred years. Eden Park is about to
reveal more on its widely publicized upgrade, endorsed by the
city Council as a preferable way to building a new stadium.
A second person's been poisoned by toxic algae in lake
Hood near Ashburton while jet skiing. A warning about an

(26:39):
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Ethical Investing lost its shine? Find out more at enzid
Herald Premium. Now back to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we're talking about the
actions of a BMB owner in Napier. He has decided
to refuse service to any American who votes Republican unless
they can prove that they vote a Democrat. He says,
you can't stay here. So we've asked the question, are
we just getting a little obsessed with American politics in

(27:10):
New Zealand, because it seems like quite a strange stance
to make for someone running a B and B in Napier.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Is everything sorted out in Napier? Is absolutely everything sorted
out around the Bluff Hill Lighthouse that he can now
be so focused on this and people are saying, you know,
why are you picking on this guy? Well, he smit
sent hawks Bay today the cancelation email that he had
sent to one would be yest in which he says

(27:37):
that B and B had changed its guest policy since
Ukraine President Vladimir Zelenski and Trump's disastrous meeting in the
White House in February, and so he is active about it.
He thinks that all New Zealand accommodation businesses must start
to resist the Trump and musk Grajames. So he's not
shrinking away from it. He's courted publicity on this, and
you were discussing it. I think it's an interesting thing

(27:59):
to discuss, not just his particular point of view and
what he's doing with his business, but also as across
the entire country. Are we spending too much of our
time and and and getting too stressed about a country
that isn't even our own country? And have we not
got enough things to sort out here? And is it

(28:20):
good for your mental health to be that owned by
the social media algorithms, you know, the big American social
media companies that are playing you for engagement, because what
I'm reading here from him seems to be a lot
of the talking points that have blasted out on social media.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yep, one hundred percent, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call Greg. How are you okay?

Speaker 11 (28:44):
Boys?

Speaker 2 (28:44):
How are you very good?

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Your thoughts?

Speaker 12 (28:46):
I personally think the guys an idiot. So it was me,
what's today sinking of April Greek? Yep, yep, Tiff when
all those Americans come to start my place?

Speaker 2 (28:59):
So you're gonna what do you have a place.

Speaker 12 (29:05):
I'm just saying today because today's the day they go on. Sorry, guys,
is a twenty five turf. You're welcome to come far, far,
far better protest the canceling their.

Speaker 6 (29:23):
Decision.

Speaker 13 (29:24):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
So do you think that you don't think there's a
problematic to everyone from one country with the same brush,
because not everyone voted for the you know, the people
that voted for Trump wanted the tariffs because he was
quite clear that he was going to do that, and
that was you know, he won the popular vote. So
but but had to win the popular vote in America,
there's still tens and tens of millions of people that

(29:46):
voted against him. So would you still tariff for them?

Speaker 12 (29:48):
Greg, I'm just making the point that I think he's
approached what he's doing the wrong way. I would have
done it differently.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah, that would be a better business strategy. Yeah, no
doubt about that.

Speaker 12 (29:59):
I don't want to get into the politics of American
I'm going I'm going the Neque speaking. I don't want
to be stopped.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Whereabout you going? Greg?

Speaker 12 (30:09):
Are we going to Phoenix?

Speaker 9 (30:10):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Phoenix?

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Nice?

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Wow? What's aa to Arizona?

Speaker 14 (30:15):
Our son lives here.

Speaker 12 (30:16):
He's getting married to an American lady.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Oh, fantastically, And what does your son do in Arizona?

Speaker 12 (30:21):
Uh, we didn't do anything for quite a while because
when you go there, you get a visa change and
it takes a long top to a year to get
to work.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Yeah, and at that.

Speaker 12 (30:32):
Time, he wasn't allowed to work, and he wasn't allowed
to leave, and he's still not allowed to leave until
he gets his green card, which is they're still working on.
He's now got a job working for a crowd making
cars for cars, So I don't know how.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
That will go.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Now, Greg, are you're going to walk around that that
wedding and ask everyone which way they voted.

Speaker 12 (30:53):
They're not allowed to get married yet either. Unfortunately, he's
going to get married in American companies. And that's not
why we're going this film. We just haven't seen him
for eighteen months. So someone can leave the opus of
the son.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, and to take do you care? Do you care
which way his partner is voting? Head voted.

Speaker 12 (31:13):
I know which they vote, but I'm not going to say.
I think my son is what you call it red neck,
And well he's to get some way, I see to
organize a few things for us to do because he
has a three day weekend. It's a much to my
wife's the line. He's going to take us to the

(31:35):
gun range.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
That will be fun.

Speaker 12 (31:37):
Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna and we're going to head up
to the Brian Kenyon from there and just have a
bit of a holiday and hang out with him as partner,
who's it's been in New Film quite a few times,
and to meet the family, so it'll be quite good.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Well, all the best to you and your family. Greg.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah, have you been to Arizona? I have actually been
to arizonall place i'd to go.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, just just crossing over because you know, I haven't
spent a lot of time in Arizona.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
It looks beautiful. Yeah, Greg, thank you very much. One
hundred and eighty ten eighty is them to call. Are
we getting a bit obsessed about American politics? Is that
good for us to be so deep into what is
going on in the US if it doesn't affect us
that much on the day to day. Love to hear
your thoughts. So one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. It is seventeen to two beat.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
A fresh take on took Back, Matt and Taylor Afternoons
have your say on eight hundred eighty eight US Talks B.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
It is fourteen to two. I remembered what I was
trying to say before. It was the Hoover Dam. Hoover Dam.
You asked me if I'd ever been to Arizona. Yeah,
and I have, but only on one side of the
Hoover Dam, because the Hoover Dam goes between Nevada and
Arizona across the Colorado River, so one end of Nevada.
I you know, I was in Las Vegas for a while,
went over to one end. One end. They've got a

(32:53):
different colored cop outfits. You've got the brown ones on
the on the Arizona's side. But Hoover Dam's.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Very very cool.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Which cops look cooler?

Speaker 2 (33:04):
I'm going to say the Nevada cops look cooler, right, Yeah,
I don't like a cop onen a brown uniform. Fair enough,
It doesn't.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Argy they got beije got like visit the cops in.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
The Vata side had they had sort of Yeah, they
know they sort of saw this gray sort of at
that point a few years ago. Yeah, yeah, I think
the Nevada cops have called the uniforms go there, I
said it.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Yeah, fair enough. It's about time you said it as well.
There's some great teach coming through.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Hey there, I've been listening to your discussion and I'm
enjoying it. I wanted to share my personal story as
it really resonates. I recently lost a lifelong friend over
thirty years, someone I met while working as any in
the USA. Over the decades, we've stayed close, meeting up
regularly and sharing countless weekends together, especially when I traveled
to the US for business. She's always been open about
her political views, a proud Democrat, and I've always respected

(33:49):
that even when staying in her home. However, things shifted dramatically.
I was actually in the US during the twenty sixteen
election when Trump won, and over time I began to
see a change in her, particularly on social media, where
her posts became increasingly intense and angry. One day, I
reached out privately, gently suggesting that maybe it's okay to
step back from the political storm and focus on enjoying
life a little bit more. Sadly, she responded by blocking

(34:12):
and unfriending me. Thirty years of friendship gone really saddens
me to see how politics can divide people so deeply.
Even more recently, during an uber ride in the US,
I was asked whether I support Trump or I was
a Republican. I responded that I was from New Zealand
and didn't get involved in US politics. The driver went
on to say he'd use weapons against Trump. That moment
really shook me. I'd love the chance to visit the

(34:34):
man's airbb here in New Zealand and try to understand
where all this hatred is coming from, how someone could
feel that way about someone with different beliefs. For the record,
I support Trump, Elon and anyone who stands for personal freedom.
I don't believe we should attack or hate others just
because we disagree. That to me, is the real problem.
Thanks for the conversation, Lisa.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Great text.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Wow, Yeah, very sad, well written. John, Welcome to the show.
You are a dual New Zealand and US citizen, so
you know you've you've got skin in both games.

Speaker 9 (35:05):
I live in the two best countries on the planet.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah, you know it would.

Speaker 9 (35:10):
Be interesting if I went to this gentleman's Airbnb, whether
he'd let me in as a key with you or
as an American. So I feel sad for him. I
think you guys are on the money with regard to
mental health. The ability to have a conversation has disappeared
as extremely tribal, extremely tribal. Now it's very very sad,
and it's more about what divides us than what unites us.

(35:35):
And you can't have that conversation about hey, let's agree
to disagree on what divides us, but what brings us together.
And I have to say, being a conservative and a
person who voted for Donald Trump, you can't have a conversation.
They're not interested. They want to bring your tesla's, they
want to take you down, they want to defriend you.
Lisa's text is exactly what I've experienced. And it's so sad,

(36:00):
very very sad. And this guy God blessened, But you
know he's opened up a can of worms for himself
because the discrimination, Like does he stop his least from coming?
Does he stop Russians from coming? I mean, where does
he stop? He just singles out Republicans. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
I think what he wants to do is he's seeing
this is he thinks, as he said, all New Zealand
accommodation business must start to resist Trump and Musk gragime.
So it's a political thing for him, As he says,
Trump is a disgusting human being, which reflects on all Americans.
Now I blame not Musk and Trump for it.

Speaker 9 (36:35):
What he doesn't understand is that America voted for Donald Trump,
against all the impeachments, against all the law fear, against
the assassination attempts. And not only did America vote for him,
and I'm one of those votes, but the gen zs
and the Millennials in their droves left the Democrat Party
and voted for Conservatives. The black men, their vote increased

(36:57):
exponentially date voted for Donald Trump. Hispanics in their droves
voted for Donald Trump. So his argument is flawed. The
freedom to choose who you vote for in America has
been decided in twenty twenty four and he can't accept that.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, And I mean, if he believes that the logic
of his arguments against Trump and against Republicans a sound,
wouldn't he want to debate that with Republicans, you know,
meet them and share it with him them the logic
that will change their mind. WoT wouldn't that be? You know,

(37:34):
because then maybe if you're so right and you've got
these strong arguments that are so right, couldn't you then
just change one at a time that comes into your
earbnb if that's what you want to.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Do, Definitely, and that it's the saddest part about it,
isn't it. It's that we've lost that ability to debate
fairly and reasonably. And just because someone disagrees with you
doesn't mean that they hate you or your you know,
demonized for your beliefs. It's just it is a sad
place to be.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, as Christopher Hitchsons once says, when you silence people,
you lose your ability to hear them. And so if
you never talk to people from the other side, then
you'll you are, you know, a not having the ability
to sharpen your own arguments, but B you're not and
you know, even engaging the possibility that you might be

(38:18):
wrong about some or all of what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Exactly. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It is eight to.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Two Matties Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty Matt and Tyler Afternoons News Talks, B.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
News Talks. There be it is six to two, Helen,
how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 11 (38:40):
Hi?

Speaker 15 (38:41):
I haven't spoken to you guys before, but I just
wanted to say quickly because I know I'm pushed for time.
But I just think, what a stupid will we live in?
Because with people like that guy, he's got a right
to choose whatever you want to choose. But I liked
the previous text message before the last call before me

(39:02):
both of that. Those some are the right to freedom
and choice. And you know there's too much tribalism going
on and too much stupidness and too much division. Yeahviding
dividing people from each other, whatever race you are, whatever

(39:22):
beliefs you have, dividing each other just because you might
vote as a Republican even if you're not an American.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, think if you call. Helen Ian says politics is
a war over digital platforms. A strategist, behavioral scientist, it
is telling when individuals regurgitate media or propaganda rhetoric, yet
when questioned on their understanding of right or left motivations,
have little or no understanding of the action being taken.
As a centrist, critical thinker, main character virtue signaling over

(39:54):
Airbnb or any other platform is laughable. That's from Ian
and a text with so many texts coming through that
this one's despaired. But someone's saying you are taking only
examples of the most extremist anti trumpers on the show,
and I don't think we are. We're just talking about
one particular guy who's definitely extremely anti Trump to the

(40:14):
point where he is making people prove the Democrats before
he'll let them stay in his airbnb.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Absolutely, and I think after that hour some good advice
is maybe just take a bit of a step back
from the American politics. Have you getting a bit deep
into it? Good for your mental health, Just get outside
and smell some grass.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
But I will say the Bluff Hill Lighthouse BnB looks good, beautiful.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Absolutely, that is very very cool.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
So people that aren't allowed to go are missing out.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Right coming up after two o'clock, kiwis are not in
in enough and feeling unfulfilled in their job. This is
according to a survey by seekh. So we want to
have a chat about that being unfulfilled or career regret
as they've called it, But we want to have a
chat about finding the perfect job doesn't exist, And have
we got our philosophy a little bit wrong?

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, are you really that special?

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (41:05):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Wait hundred I am oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
the number to call. We will see you after Newsport
and Weather, which is.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Next talking with you all afternoon It's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams afternoons us Talks.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
It'd be good afternoon. Welcome back into the show. Seven
past two now, just a reminder after three point thirty
as part of our Ask the Expert series that we
do every Wednesday, today we have Gareth abdenaor on the
program Employment Lawyer Expert. He's brilliant and he'll be taking
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(41:43):
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Speaker 3 (44:00):
Absolutely, and we can see the phone lines have lit up.
Now not now, people, not now, Just wait for that
queueticle cul your jets. Yeah, you will know when it happens. People,
because right now now, we want to have a chat
about a survey that seekh has just completed. Kiwis are
not earning enough apparently and feeling unfulfilled in their job,
which is leading to a lot of us regretting our

(44:20):
career choices. So seek released its new Longer Working Life Report,
and it found more than half fifty four percent of
kiwis regret their career choice, with the top reasons including
not earning enough at fifty percent, changing interest at thirty
six percent, and unfulfilling work at twenty four percent.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, so I've got a theory in this, and I
might be wrong. I'd love to hear from you on
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. But I think that
as a nation, and I think a lot of people
that I talk to have got chronic dissatisfaction syndrome. I
don't know if it's a real syndrome, but wherever they are,
they are unsatisfied. Because wherever you go, there you are,
as the saying goes. So people are in their jobs,

(44:57):
they're unsatisfied, They'll go to another job and they'll be
unsatisfied there. I mean, do we expect too much from
our employment? Is that how we divine define our whole life.
Have we all been sold the lie that we are
that we need to find that perfect, perfect vocation that's
exactly in line with our soul? You know, because I
would argue, if you can pay for a roof over

(45:18):
your head and feed your kids, or help some people out,
feed your partner, or feed yourself, then isn't that the dream.
Aren't you a hero if you managed to just support
your family and then maybe help out in the community
a little bit and just be a great person to
the people around you. Do we? I mean, look, I
tell you what I think. My ideas on this came

(45:42):
from the Chuck Pollyanac novel Fight Club, that was then
made into a movie starring Edward Norton and Brad pat
So just listen to this audio.

Speaker 16 (45:52):
God damn in an entire generation, pomping gas, wedding TVs,
slaves with white Carlos advertising has his teasing cars and clothes,
working charts we hate so we can buy shit. We
don't need the middle children of history man, no purpose
or please, we have no great award, no great depression.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
Our great award is a spiritual ward. How great depression?

Speaker 2 (46:21):
It's our lives.

Speaker 16 (46:22):
We've been raised on television to believe that one day
we'd all be millionaires in movie gods and rock stars.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
But we won't.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
We're slowly learn about of fact. We're very very pissed off.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
It's a great line.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
We all been raised to believe that we are going
to do something special, that we're going to be famous,
that we are going to make a huge difference. And
is that why people are are satisfied with? So many
people in New Zealand are dissatisfied because we have unrealistic expectations.
If you were living through the Great Depression, for example,

(46:58):
then you would be very happy to have any job
at all and you would be really really stoked to
be there because it was giving you an ability to
support your family to eat.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Basically, yeah, yeah, but that's very easy for you to say,
Matt because hearing that we monologue from Brad Pitt. Great line.
But you've somewhat been a rock star. At least you
are in a band and you too it up and
down the country and you played that part.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Couple of top twenty hits.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
You you know, you've been a broadcaster and you've got
a certain amount of fame in your life. You are
in a privileged position to say, hey, just enjoy your
job for what it is, as long as you're earning
money and feeding your family. Too good.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
I have started to feature film. You can see it
Amazon right now. It's called The Devil Dimeton.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
You've been a film star.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
I mean it was a star the right word. I
wasn't a movie that didn't do that well. But anyway,
that's by the bike. No, I get that, but I
would say that none of that stuff brings you the
satisfaction that you think it would. I mean, we can
see now Bibe's Bieber is going through absolute misery. He's
got all the wealth and all the fame and all
the being special that you could possibly want, and he's

(48:00):
miss absolutely miserable. And many how many biographies of rock
stars and movie stars do you read where they are
a huge hole in their heart and they try to
fill it with drugs and fame and cheap sex. But
the bit in the book where they finally find happiness
or some level of contentedness is when they have the

(48:22):
normal life, the life where they drive their kids to
school and they have a family. I mean, the thing
that made David Bowie the most happy in his life
was driving his kid to school in a station wagon
and dropping them off. He said near the end of
his life that was the bit. Just being normal is
what made him happy. So we keep being told that
what will make us happy is fame and you know,

(48:46):
all and wealth and all this kind of stuff. But
it doesn't seem to play it out that way. It
does it.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Celebrities are very by and large, per capita, celebrities are
very miserable people. And again to your point, it was
Jim Carrey, I think you said I wish everybody could
be rich, famous, and a superstar. To realize it's not
the answer, because clearly it's not for those people. They
achieve all of those things in a stall just as miserable,
not more miserable.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
So when you sort of boil all that stuff we've
been saying down, is the reason why more than half
of kiwis regret their career choice, according to the survey,
is because we have been sold this idea of what
we should achieve and where we should be that just
isn't attainable for most people and wouldn't make them happier
even if they even if they got it. So we're

(49:31):
chasing something that we can never get when the normal
stable life and a job where you paid a decent
wage if you can get it is and provide for
the people you need to provide for and do a
little bit o a little bit of other stuff in
the community. Isn't that really the goal? And aren't those
people that do that the real heroes? And shouldn't they

(49:52):
celebrate themselves from being where they are and what they've done,
even if it wasn't the dream that they had when
they were teenagers?

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that I'm going
to call if you were in a job that you
wouldn't necessarily says your dream job, love to hear from you.
And for those that don't attach their self worth to
them job, I think that's a big part of it.
That if you don't make your job your whole life
and that is an avenue for you to put food
on the table. And as you say, then you go
out out in society and you spend time with your

(50:20):
family and friends and do nice things out there.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
That is a good life. This person is texted Heath
aspiring to mediocrity. You are a loser. Thanks, Thanks, don't
you know I'm saying, be exceptional in your life. Wherever
you're working, be exceptional. But don't think that going somewhere
else is going to make you happy, because wherever you go,
there you are, as the saying goes. But anyway, and
this person says, I want a full apology for that

(50:43):
movie The Devil did me too. Cheers, Yeah, I apologize, Yeah,
thank you. I appreciate it right.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Good to get that out. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is a number to call. It is sixteen
PUS two.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Wow, your new home of afternoon Talk Matt and Taylor afternoons.
Call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talk.

Speaker 17 (51:00):
Zaid, be.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Good afternoon. It is nineteen past two, and we're talking
about the survey which found fifty four percent of kei
We's regretted their career choice.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Is it as this text that Tony says, comparison and
happiness won't be found in the same street. That's from Tony,
which is the same thing as I end up saying
on the show nearly every day for some reason, maybe
because I'm a bit basic, but you know, comparison is
the thief of joy. So if you're sitting in your job,
always comparing yourself to something else rather than actually just

(51:32):
knuckling down, being grateful and kicking ass where you are.
Then maybe you will always be dissatisfied if you're always
looking for something else, somewhere else to find your happiness
rather than finding it where you are and achieving and
being you know, happeople for what. Yeah, it's tough.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
A lot to be said for gratitude. I know that
sounds neft to some people.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
But if it's a tough concept to explain because there
are holes in it, Ruben, welcome to the show. Your thoughts.

Speaker 18 (51:59):
Oh, Matt, I was just I don't know if I've
got this right, but I think maybe from my perspective,
I've got a business now that i'd started when I
was twenty seven, but prior to that, I'm a joiner,
So I worked at about eight different joinery companies. In
the realm of joinery, you got cabinet making, timber, joinery, stairs,

(52:21):
all that, and it's kind of went from different places
and learn different things to then start a business. And
I kind of think that it's a good way to
go is to work at different places and pick up
different things and I'd sort of encourage most people to
maybe do that. I don't know if that's what you're

(52:41):
talking about, being stuck in the same career, but that
was sort of my experience of that.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Is that being dissatisfied where you are or being on
a path to self improvement, which are kind of different things,
if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 18 (52:55):
I think some of it was. I mean, I started
in two thousand and seven or two thousand and eight,
so it's like a global financial crisis, I think. So
the first company I was at when under so I
had to go somewhere else, and then from there I
was sort of got a bit bored with how they
did things and wanted to do something else. I thought

(53:16):
I knew best at some places, I'd go somewhere else.
But yeah, yeah, how.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Did it feel, Ruben? How does it feel, Ruben to
have your own business?

Speaker 17 (53:28):
Now?

Speaker 18 (53:31):
Oh, it's pretty stressful, iges. We're in Wellington, so we
kind of got hard by the government workers a little bit,
you know, losing their jobs and stuff. But yeah, it's
not too bad. Good throwarding bought a house, able to
do my own renos.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
How did how did you get into joinery? Was that
something that you you always wanted to do.

Speaker 18 (53:53):
A uh, well, my uncle is a joiner by trade,
and I kind of just got into it a little
bit of woodworking at school and that and it kind
of just happened.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
But you know, people wouldn't say that joinery is a
glamorous profession if you're not you know what I mean,
People going you know, dreamers going through school don't necessarily go,
I want to be a joiner. And you've managed to
be a joiner and work hard, and you've got your
own company now, and have you got you know, got
a partner and kids or a family.

Speaker 18 (54:27):
I got to get on the land, youly, So congrats.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
And so yeah. So I guess what I'm trying to say.
I'm probably not describing it very well, But that is
the journey, what you're talking about. I think that's a
heroic journey in life. It doesn't involve fame or and
it doesn't involve you know, being unduly you're not unduly wealthy,
but you have bought a house and you have managed

(54:52):
to you know, you're sitting yourself in a position to
provide for your family and working hard. I think I
guess what I'm trying to say, is that's that's the
type of life that we should celebrate more than you know,
the sort of you know, vacuous Instagram life or a
perceived idea of being special. Would you agree with that, Ruben.

Speaker 14 (55:14):
Yeah, yeah, there's that.

Speaker 18 (55:15):
But then definitely that. And then the other sort of
perspective I had on it was, I guess, trudging along
at a job you just kind of do to get
a paycheck every day. There's more out there you don't
need to do that.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yeah, but I guess I guess with this survey, I
keep saying, I guess. I don't know. That's a new
thing I've started doing. I'm trying to work on that.
You know, I'm always, despite what people are texting through
a huge on self improvement. But more than half of
people regret their career choices. So more than half can't
be I mean when you think about so more than

(55:49):
half can't be right, and that they're wrong, if you
know what I'm saying, because that is just the economy
we are in, and that is the opportunities that are
available to them. So higher than zero percentage of those
people I believe have chronic dissatisfaction syndrome and they'll be
dissatisfied wherever they are, because I think the hero's journey

(56:09):
is what you're doing, Ruben.

Speaker 18 (56:12):
Yeah, social media, it's young people that are looking and
seeing someone's doing something better than them. They're going to
get jealous and all that. I've got one question. I
don't know if car up one question. Have you got
rid of all your Brown Sabers albums yet?

Speaker 14 (56:27):
Nyls?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
No, I've got a couple of those fighting around. Yeah,
send me address listener, Ruben cood Man to text me
and I'll and I'll send you a copy of that
special Brown Sabbath album on brown vinyl. It's it's keeping
over the unsold copies are keeping my bed off the
ground at the moment.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
She had a couple in here the other day, Rubens.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
The Australian Our Australian record company sent back about ten
boxes that didn't sell very well in Australia. So I've
got a few.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
You're doing a favor.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
It's either you or the recycling, Ruben, So send me
a text with your with your details.

Speaker 18 (57:05):
Vinyls are big now, Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Yeah, all right, okay, Well, I hope I hope that
helps your satisfaction in life. Listening to my Punishing album
from two thousand and four. Cheers, Ruben, Cheers, Ruben.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
You didn't let them answer that one oh one hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. I'd love
to hear from you on this one. But just your
point about, you know, for those people, and I really
take my head off to them that if they do
a job that they're not particularly enamored with, but there
is that satisfaction that they've got a job and they
are earning enough to be able to live the life
they want to live outside of that job, so that

(57:35):
they are there at nine o'clock, say it's nine o'clock
to five, They are there at nine, they do a
good job, then they leave bang on five. So the
job is there to provide an income, but it has
not attached this self worth or who they are as
a person.

Speaker 13 (57:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
I take my head off to those people.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Yeah, And there's absolutely reasons why you should be dissatisfified
with your job. And there are jobs that are dissatisfying,
and if you are, I'm not saying you shouldn't look
for another job, but for over half of people to
be dissatisfied and have regret for their careers. Seems like
there's at least some kind of dissatisfaction syndrome and there gooday, guys,
is this text. I think social media has really ruined

(58:10):
it for young people and their aspirations. On absolutely fake lives,
which just shows you the good bits you're missing the
in between bits. The journey. That's that's the journey, not
just the goals. Cheers from Carl. Yep, Yeah, that's what
I'm saying. So you know, it might not be the
most glamorous thing, but the job, the career that Reuben
has taken and worked away and got his own business
and it's providing his family. I think that's the I

(58:32):
think that's the that's the hero's hero's journey. Yeah, oh
Waite hundred eighty ten eighty Am I am I wrong? Yep.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
It is twenty six past two, bag very shortly here
on News TALKSB.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Good afternoon. We're talking about job dissatisfaction. Apparently more than
half fifty four percent of key Wes regret their career choice.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
I'm getting a lot of heat here as like I
suggesting that I said that completely miss something when I
was staying this text. Yeah, a good joiner doing fab
kitchens exterture in Hants's life, I was an artistic and
creative to do well. So it's not a base job.
As talking on the radio, more elevated cheers up. I
never said that. I said the exact opposite. I said,
that is a great life that you're leading. If you

(59:20):
get very very good at a trade and then you
start a business and you can or you know, you
work hard and you can support your family, then that
is a great business.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
That is what you said, the exact opposite.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Yeah, what I said, I one hundred and eighty ten
eighties and I'm going to call get.

Speaker 19 (59:35):
A John good.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
How are you guys your dream jobs?

Speaker 5 (59:39):
Talk to us? Well, my dissatisfaction was my previous job
as a butcher.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Right, And why didn't you like being a butcher?

Speaker 5 (59:48):
Oh? Well, it's a dead end job. You're only ever
going to earn twenty eight, fifty or thirty dollars an
hour as a butcher. But I gave that job away
two years ago and started my own business. I spoke
to Kerry about this a little while ago when she
was asking the similar questions, and yeah, I'd never look
back at butchering again, never pick up a knife and

(01:00:09):
a butchery again.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
I mean, that's a great story, John. So what is
your business? What are you doing now?

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
Well, now, my partner and I started a business called
Hedges and More in the Hawks Say, where we trim
people's hedges and mow lawns and do garden maintenance.

Speaker 20 (01:00:23):
Love that, absolutely love it couldn't couldn't be happiest. Like
I get up in the morning and I look at
the calendar, my diary of what's got to be done,
and it's like, yay, I'm doing a hedge, a hedge today.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
Great stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
I love that. And so what is it about? What
is it about the job that you're doing now? Is
it that you're out in the sunshine, you're outdoors? It
is you know, there's something satisfying about doing menial labor
if you will. Is that what you love about it?

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
All of that, plus when you look at a hedge
and it's like unkept by the time we finish, it's
brought back into some sort of tame dynamic and yeah,
just looking beautiful against you know, they just I'm looking amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
And I've read a bit. I've read a bit that
when the there's a direct relationship between the work you
do and the money you get paid, as opposed to say,
there's some jobs where it seems to be eery feury.
You're part of a company around you know, not exactly,
but you you you you fasten the hedge and you
get paid. So there's a direct direct relationship between your

(01:01:30):
work and the money that comes in. Is that satisfying.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
It's amazing, It really is that. And being my own boss,
you know, we drive around Hastings and have a lot
north and some of the jobs that we've done and
we sort of yep, I did that hedge or or well,
or we'll say that hedge needs a trim. Phones. Yeah,
we take the four and after photos of the jobs
that we do, with the permission of the owner of

(01:01:55):
the property, of course, and then we'll put them onto Facebook,
on our on our Facebook page, and our phones are
full of hedge porn, so many hedges that we've done
that we think, yep, we'll make that one. We'll make
the most of that one at some stage and we'll
update our Facebook page. But that's it's a great job.

(01:02:17):
We've got great clients, we've got a great lifestyle now
and being your own boss, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
That's just well, yeah, this is this is exactly what
I'm talking about, James. And I'm so glad you called
in because this is the point I'm trying to make.
There was the study out of the UK a few
years ago and they found out that it came back
to fifty eight percent of kids I either wanted to
be famous or an assistant to a famous person. And
there we go, James, before you fire up again, just

(01:02:47):
give us.

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
The leading warm up.

Speaker 14 (01:02:49):
I'm living it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Warm up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Give us the name of your business and how people
can see you on Facebook and such.

Speaker 19 (01:02:54):
James, Okay, well we're called Hedges and More Hedges and
More based in based in Hastings and Havelock, and you
can see us on Facebook or on our Google reviews.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Good on you, James. I just toick five five stars
out of five. That's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Hitges and more. Good on you, John, You're living the dream.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Yeah. I mean I love that he got the huge
from and going during that chat. That's a man who's dedicated. Yeah,
he wants to get on with doing what he loves,
which is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Kind of not that it's kind of sort of a
little bit interesting around the point I was trying to
make that, you know, social media is making us believe
that we need to be special. But you know, James
has got this fantastic job. He's loving it, he's doing
very well. But he's also putting the shots on on
social media. I think that's a better way to do it. Yeah, exactly,

(01:03:42):
rather than looking at social media and going those people
have a better life than me. He's going off and
doing his life and he's putting up the shots of
his hedges that he cuts that he's proud of and
growing more business and cleverly bringing through eight hundred eighty
ten eighty mentioning his business, and then we're talking about
heges and more, Yeah and more.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
John's got it sorted.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
He takes all the Bob More Hastings for straight man.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
coll love to hear from you on this. It is
on the bed a survey that shows half of us
fifty four percent regret their career choice, but love to
hear from you if you do have a job that
wouldn't necessarily be considered your dream job, but you love it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Yeah, did James' wife just let rip? No, no, that
he was was starting at what he was.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Warming up the hedge trum. Yeah, come on, come on,
come on, you're better above board.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
You're better than.

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So we're talking about this study that found that over
half of New Zealand's regret their career choice, so dissatisfied
with their job. Someone here keep I think people keep misunderstanding.
Say they're saying you're celebrating mediocrity. Mediocrity does not bring happiness.
But social media OnlyFans girls are really happy. They're making

(01:06:48):
millions of dollars, looking glamorous and living off male weakness,
flying around the world to great locations. So social media
has embraced good looks and society is embracing it. That's
from Rob. I don't know. I don't know if the
only fans girls are as happy as you think they are. Yeah,
I don't know. I think living and riding that that

(01:07:09):
kind of life. It's not for me. And when I
say it's not for me, no one would pay for it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Anything you tried and it didn't quite work.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
No one wanted it with it's in a bikinis by
Infinity Pool. No one wanted to pay your price.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
People out of the market, no subscribers by asking for anybody, Jerry,
your thoughts on this topic.

Speaker 14 (01:07:30):
Yeah, how you're going lads. I went from a relatively well,
very high paid job in the finance sector for ten
odd years to working for the police, earning less than
half of what I did, and by far the best
move I've ever made. It's just phenomenal money money wise,
obviously far less lucrative, but in terms of job satisfaction, yeah,

(01:07:54):
just complete, complete, different, complete, different, killer fish.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Yeah, and what what was the catalyst for the change? Jerry?

Speaker 14 (01:08:04):
My type of role was just dealing with lots of
really well people who were probably a little bit self entitled,
and I just got thick of it and the pressures
that come from the finance sector and your pressure to perform,
and you just weren't really making a difference. It wasn't
doing anything for me, I guess emotionally. Mentally it was

(01:08:26):
just yeah, it was just it was a job for
the sake of the money, and the money just wasn't
worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
And so what is the role that you're doing now?
Can you say?

Speaker 14 (01:08:37):
I work in financial crime, but I've moved there because
it affords me a little bit more time you know,
it's eight till five Monday to Friday, versus the shift
work that a lot of police do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Okay, I was going to say, you're not working, and
you're not you're not committing financial crime. You're working and
combating it.

Speaker 14 (01:08:54):
Working. Yeah, yeah, meeting financial crime. Yeah, quite the opposite.
So yeah, I did. I did six or seven years
of that shift work and now moving to a nine
to five job as Yeah, has been a game changer.
But like I said, the money, there's nothing. It's the
job satisfaction. It's the ability to be able to sort
of affect change and make a change in other people's

(01:09:15):
life that has made a massive difference and has completely
changed my way of thinking around. I guess how society
and how society lives certainly made me way more grateful
for what I've got compared to a lot of others.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Yeah. So I wonder how many people, when they say,
you know that they regret their career choices and dissatisfied
with the jobs they've got, you know, over fifty percent
in New Zealand. I wonder how many of those people
are going like you that I would be more satisfied
if I was doing something I guess more honorable or
something that helped society more, or do you think that

(01:09:53):
these people are mainly dissatisfied because they've seen someone on
Instagram that's richer than them.

Speaker 14 (01:09:59):
It's really hard. Once you get into a position where
you're earning decent money and you start living a lifestyle,
you kind of get attuned to that. I think it's
really hard to go back and not earn as much
because you've become attuned to that kind of lifestyle. And
so for a lot of people, it's just it becomes
out of reach. You can no longer sort of track

(01:10:20):
yourself in a position where you're financially just not able
to do that anymore. So Yeah, I don't know if
that answers your question. But from my perspective, I was
relatively lucky because I'd had ten years in the financial there.
I was moderately well set up financially. But yeah, the
job set affection is just yeah, like they game change it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Yeah, what you're talking about the aguria is the hedonic
treadmill where you get luxuries and then luxuries become standard,
you become used to them. You don't enjoy the luxury
anymore because that's just your life, say, for example, heated
bathroom floors, that that becomes the standard for you in
any less than that is then painful. But you actually
never needed the heated bathroom floors, and they never actually

(01:11:04):
make your happiness but happy because by the time you've
got it, your aspirations have moved on. As this Texas
says here, it will buying a house make me happy?

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
No, for a little while, and then no, no, then no.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
If you're happy, then you will be able to enjoy
your house. If you find out how to make yourself happy,
then you will enjoy the house. But just buying the
house and moving into it, that's not going to make
you happy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
It's not going to solve you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
It would just be the same sad set moving into
a house.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It is sixteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
Matt and Taylor afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
It'd be good afternoon. We're talking about what appears to
be quite a unsatisfied population when it comes to their
career choices. You're laughing about these bloody heated.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
I'm just giving an example of you get luxuries, you
get used to them, and then they mean nothing. And
someone texts it, and I just realized I was responding
to it. I might turn off my heated flows on
my bathroom tonight. I've never turned them off before. I
will let you know if this makes me happy. And
I was wondering with the most pathetic texts ever. I
was saying, what flaws have you got, because I'm struggling
with mine at the moment. The time is not working,

(01:12:15):
so my heated flaws are on full heat in the
middle of the night, and then in the morning they're off,
so the timing's out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
What happens, what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
It's making me miserable about.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
The heated bathroom tiles.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
And this humidity.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
And ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
I studied to become a teacher, says as text. Before
I even finished my study, I realized that I was
going to be very unsatisfied with the extreme lack of
work life balance. It made me realize what I wanted
was a job where it had where it had set hours,
managed to find a part time job, work to live.
Guys don't live to work. Yeah, yes, well, that's see,
That's what I'm saying. There's nothing wrong with being dissatisfied
with your job and looking for something else and finding

(01:12:58):
a thing. My thing is that people are dissatisfied because
they're comparing themselves to other people and feeling like they're
not earning it. That's why they're doing They're not living
the glamorous Instagram life. And I think higher than zero
percentage of the half of New Zealanders that are unsatisfied
with their jobs are people looking at that as opposed
to just finding a great work life balance where they

(01:13:19):
are proud of what they do. They work hard, and
they provide for the family and they're a good member
of community, which I think is a heroic way to live.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Carrie, good afternoon to you.

Speaker 7 (01:13:29):
Hey, how you go?

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
And Guy, very good? You love your job?

Speaker 5 (01:13:33):
Oh I do?

Speaker 7 (01:13:34):
I do. I had a job where I was working
for a real rogue and I work for them for
four years and I was so stressed. I was speering
every morning before going to work, and so I decided
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Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
It's been a fantastic discussion and a lot of people
coming through that are very happy with their jobs. So
you know, the fifty one percent or so of New
Zealanders that aren't haven't been ringing this show. Great topic.
The best job I ever had was the best pay
The best paid job was my last one and the
most unhappy and broking I had ever been. And I
wasn't alone in that thought. So if anyone out there
has a part time job we can work from home,

(01:18:44):
I'll take it. That's from Donna. Yeah, well we'll send
them through to your Donna.

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Love that one and this one career as a preschool
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techs coming through today.

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There seems to be more people whose glass is half
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Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
Yeah, it's great discussion. Coming up after three o'clock, Griffin's
Cookie Bear is being put out to pass. She's been
retired cent away.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
He's going to be no more, and we will reveal
next the identity of Cookie Bear. What well known New
Zealander was inside Cookie Bear?

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Who could have been oh one hundred and eighty ten
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Your new homes are instateful and entertaining. Talk It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk sebbe.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Good afternoon, welcome back into the show. It is seven
pass three. Great to have your company as always.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
So tragic news.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
The Cookie Bear is going to be no more, Tyler, Yeah,
very very sad news. So the golden days of Griffin's
treasured Cookie Bear mascot are over after a fifty seven
year run with the company.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Dump did do well. In just a few moments, we
are going to announce the secret identity of the Cookie Bear.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Who will it be.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
It's been under an nda for a long time, but
we'll be able to announce that very very soon. Yep.
Stand by and people that have been listening throughout the
day already know. But anyway, it has just tuned in.
It's going to be huge.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Yeah, yeah, no spoilers, but that is coming up in
very very soon, but after three point thirty Tyler Gareth
abdenaor He is an employment, workplace and information expert and
director of abdenaor employment law is part of our ass
the Expert series that we do every Wednesday at three
point thirty, he will be joining us once again. He's
brilliant and he is here to answer all of your

(01:20:53):
questions and niggles and issues and concerns at your place
of work or if you're the boss, if you've got
problems with your employees, he is the man to chat to.
So get an early one hundred and eighty ten eighty
or nine two nine to if you've preferred to text
your question, but right now, yes. So, as we mentioned,
a sad day in New Zealand, very very sad day
in New Zealand, the Griffins Cookie Beer has been put

(01:21:15):
out to pasture an absolute icon in New Zealand. Well,
it turns out star of television radio Rock and Roll,
a New Zealand icon himself, Mikey Havoc had a massive
part to play in the story of Griffin's Cookie Beer,
and he joins us on the line. Now, Mikey, good afternoon, after.

Speaker 11 (01:21:35):
Then Matt and Tyler and good afternoons with Mikey.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
When were you cookie Beer?

Speaker 19 (01:21:42):
Well, as you.

Speaker 11 (01:21:43):
Imagine Matt's this is a turn. It's quite a tremolous
state for me. Last night, I turned into Martins show,
I'm I'm by no means suggesting that you said, be
a hard up a commun talk about this last night.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
He runs a good show.

Speaker 11 (01:21:56):
And I am, and I am and and so I
called and I revealed a secret and I held on
to for so many many years, And unfortunately I feel
it's a very catartic. I feel a bitter because of it.
But but yes, many many years ago. We'll just I
kind of find this weird that that Griffins and have
announced us now because it's sort of been first for ages,

(01:22:18):
isn't it. But but I was I was the last voice.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Of Cookie Bear Wow. And look, we always try to man.

Speaker 11 (01:22:24):
I wasn't in any suit, but I was a voice.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
As a voice Mentile afternoons always tries to run twenty
four hours behind Marcus Slash. We're happy with that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
He's hard to keep up with.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
You've got to give us the dump your dumpty doo, mikey.

Speaker 11 (01:22:39):
Ok, Well, why didn't I tell you the story that
I told I told on there again? Well, I mean,
I mean it was quite a big contract, you know,
and I as you as you as you alluded to
earlier on Matt, I do have to sign an NDA
to say that I wasn't a guy. So I guess,
I guess maybe perhaps I've maybe got a reputation for

(01:23:02):
being rascals and they didn't want that to rub up
on Cookie Bear character. That's something terrible happened. We'll just
I mean a little bit insulting, but a little bit
sort of funny as well. So I went for the job,
the job and the job, and this is a contract.
It wasn't just a one off voice job, Matt. This
is a contract, Tyler, what's a contract? And we and

(01:23:23):
so I'm going in the studio with like and the
voice studio was just in there by myself and then
the and the engineer. When the engineers from and the
voice studio, there's like about eight people. There's the engineer
and people from the company, people from the ad agencies.
It was quite a big deal and I was really
hoping to get the gig. So I go in there

(01:23:44):
and they give me the script that I go and
somehow I'm there. I'd say, off you go, Mic, and
I'm like, were And then I wait and no, no, no, Harley.

Speaker 12 (01:24:00):
You've dropped the gun.

Speaker 11 (01:24:01):
Then I wait because for a good couple of minutes,
which was an eternity trying to figure out whether I
had this job. I said, think I'm not going to
get this, and they don't like it. I'm trying to
forget what I did wrong. And then they got there
here and they go through the intercom and they go, Mikey,
can you hear it from that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
News talks it'd be so sorry. We've got rumlins in
the system. We're in the middle of a fascinating chair
in the.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Middle of the gripping story from Mikey, have it? An
unprofessional situation happened with the ads just got slammed. So
Mikey have it. Welcome back to Welcome back to Welcome
back to the show.

Speaker 11 (01:24:38):
You know, you know right, you know my radio my
radio persona that you know, it would be very retrofust
to complained about being interruptors.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
So when we left you, when we left you, Michael,
when we left you, you were you were auditioning for
the cookie beer job. You delivered your your dump doo dooo,
and then there'd been a huge way.

Speaker 11 (01:25:02):
And what's what's the next experience That taught me that
the usually that's not a good thing. But then I
hear that the intercom comes and go, you can hear
me in there, yep, And so they go, do you
think the dumpy do sounds a big game? He's a
he's a cartoon. He's a cartoon beer that lives in

(01:25:24):
lowly Land. Right, So, and so I got I got
the gig, But I.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Well, where did the dumpty doo come from? Who was
the first dumpty do?

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
And what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
What does a dumpty do? That's a very strange thing.

Speaker 11 (01:25:47):
Who was the first person to dumpty do it?

Speaker 22 (01:25:48):
Does that?

Speaker 11 (01:25:49):
You're asking?

Speaker 17 (01:25:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Well, yeah, I mean why does a beer suddenly go
dumpty doo? It's an odd thing for a beer to say,
but it makes perfect sense because we're doing the day.

Speaker 11 (01:25:59):
These kids are different bags than that because they were
to imagination, they were a lot roadblocks. And Andrew Tayden
big boy.

Speaker 14 (01:26:05):
Now memory.

Speaker 11 (01:26:09):
We're talking last night about how you seeing a card
from Cookie Beer on your birthday?

Speaker 23 (01:26:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Sure, Now, Mikey, cookie Beer isn't the only iconic role
that you played in terms of New Zealand products. Is
it true that you were part of the Popsicle.

Speaker 11 (01:26:25):
Band, No no, I sung the I sung the theme
to the popscall when they doesn't do yourself for flavor,
I have some fun fever the beat for the pub
School three.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
You still got it?

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
So that doesn't think that doesn't that doesn't count as
being part of the popsicle band. You just sing I was,
I don't had a number one, I might have a
numb one.

Speaker 11 (01:26:53):
I've never said a final possible band.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Oh well, thank you so much for talking to us.
Sorry for blasting ads in your face mid mid story,
but it's a great story. And congratulations on being the
the the cookie Beer because that that did a lot
for It was very poured into a lot of New Zealanders.

Speaker 11 (01:27:10):
I think it's said that the same though you mean
this is mender. They have no faith and there's ever
been a thing anymore.

Speaker 12 (01:27:16):
Suppose well, you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Know, if they if they want your back of you,
you up up for it. If this publicity around.

Speaker 14 (01:27:23):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
Mikey Evic, thank you very much, a great story. I
went one hundred eighty ten eighty is and number to call.
So because Griffin's Cookie Beer clearly was the ultimate New
Zealand icon, we want to hear from you about other
New Zealand icons as well. I mean, the Cookie Bear
is certainly up there. And just reading this article blows
my mind that the Cookie Bears club membership right, and

(01:27:51):
that was a big thing, grew to one hundred and
sixty two thousand. That was nearly one in four Kiwi
children under the age of twelve at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Is there anything more iconic than the Cookie Bear? Is
the punishing orange electric I mean election guy more iconic?

Speaker 5 (01:28:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
The giraffe on the longest drinking town?

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Is that in New Zealand? Only thing that draft?

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
I'm sure it is.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Yeah, Okay, that's what one hundred eighty ten eighty nine
two nine two. Is cookie Beer the most iconic New
Zealand brand mascot?

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
You'd love to hear from you? It is eighteen past three.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk ZB Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
So, on the back of the Griffin's Cookie Beer being
put out to pasture, we've asked the question, what is
the greatest New Zealand promotional icon of all time? There's
some great sedestions coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Frosty Boy, Frosty boy, the tricks, he brings a pack
with joy. I think that's how it goes. Someone suggestion
that the good Night Kiwi's got to be in the
max absolutely huge.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty love to hear your
thoughts get a clear Gooday.

Speaker 24 (01:29:01):
So I'm wondering about the trade Meet Kiwi. I feel
like that's pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Iconic, certainly up there.

Speaker 24 (01:29:07):
Yeah, and maybe the four Square guy.

Speaker 23 (01:29:11):
I don't know what you call him.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Yeah, as the four Square guy, I got a name,
let's find out.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
I love the four.

Speaker 24 (01:29:16):
Square guys, but the four Square guy, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
Did he ever have a voice? Was there anyone that
voiced the four Square Guy? Or he was just like
this cartoon character that popped up? I showing my aid, Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 11 (01:29:29):
You go, I'm showing a But I think he did speak.

Speaker 24 (01:29:34):
I think that there was like a little catchphrase that
he used to say, and then he'd lean against the
fourth Square and.

Speaker 17 (01:29:40):
Fold his arms.

Speaker 24 (01:29:41):
Yes, but maybe I'm remembering role.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Does the Trade Me Kiwi ever make any noise or
appear anywhere as a mascot? Or is it just you
only see it as the little picture at the top
of the Trade Me site?

Speaker 24 (01:29:53):
I think you only see that.

Speaker 9 (01:29:54):
At the top of the picture at the trade be signed,
but they do animated like you have seen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Him, like you know, yeah walking, but he doesn't say
have ever seen Has anyone seen the trade Me Kiwi
and the good Night Kiwi in the same room at
the same time? Are they different? Are they different?

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
Keywis suspicious? Now clear? I've found out the four Square
Guy actually does have a name. I'll give you the
last part, so it's as last part as Charlie, but
there's a part in front of that. Any guesses. Oh,

(01:30:29):
it's an alliteration. Charlie pretty close. Cheeky Charlie apparently is
his name is Cheeky Charlie the four Square Guy.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
Created in the nineteen fifties.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
So there you go.

Speaker 11 (01:30:42):
Yeah, okay, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
There's my pack, my love think if you call clear
the Polar the Polar Pop Beer Bawl a pop bowler
on the Polar Pop. I live in the Ball's Ball
a pop ball ap there's a punishing radio.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
Great yeah, great memory for jingles. Yeah, the Milky bar
Kad was that New Zealand only, but that was huge.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Cheers and Dale they were you can't you don't go
past cheers and Dale.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
Now we're going to try and find that jingle. That
is a great jingle to play. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call Maria. How are you?
Oh sorry, we just lost to there, Maria. Yeah, got
you now? How are you sorry?

Speaker 24 (01:31:26):
I'm on this I'm on the Southern Motorway. That's probably
why I just ringing out with a fun fat Way
back in the day, when I was a sales rep
in Runnington, I worked for Griffin's Eater At the time,
I used to have to dress up as a cookie
bear to do promotions in store.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Did you did you have a good dumpty doo?

Speaker 24 (01:31:44):
I didn't have to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
It's a lot of pressure.

Speaker 24 (01:31:47):
Pretty it was pretty smelly.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
If I saw the cookie beer, i'd want to hear
the dumpy doo.

Speaker 5 (01:31:59):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 24 (01:31:59):
I would have probably sounded a bit lame coming out
of a woman, a deep, deep voice, and but I
was just pretty smelly. You really didn't want to get that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
Was there only one costume?

Speaker 12 (01:32:10):
Was there?

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
That was the costume for the whole company?

Speaker 7 (01:32:13):
No?

Speaker 24 (01:32:13):
No, I think there was one out here out in
North Island, Lower North Island and South Island, but you
certainly didn't want to draw that store.

Speaker 17 (01:32:20):
I reckon.

Speaker 24 (01:32:22):
Another good icon't know was good night Kiwi.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Oh yea absolutely we're hearing a lot from that. I
mean the good night kry Key used to make me
so unhappy when I was a kid, though, because TV
was over and then it would have that ad with
the snowball, you know when when the problem with the
thing with problems is that they get bigger and bigger,
and then the snowball would roll down the hill. Yeah,
I'd go into a deep depression before I went to
bed every night.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
From those two things, I just thought, like you, I
thought he was a bit of a nark that I
was hoping my parents wouldn't see the good night Kiwi
so I could stay up and just going shut up Kiwi.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Think if you call Maria appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Thank you very much. The Briscoes Lady, the.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Briscos lady, Tammy Wells, I believe your name is where
she's been doing that for a very long time. I
don't know if Michael Hill has a lot of people
suggesting Michael Hi. I don't know if he was a
mascot or just a human being that owned. Michael hill Gillis,
Michael help Gillen.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
He was great in those TVs though used to have tooth,
wasn't it the way that he gave the grin and
one of.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
His teeth sparkled Michael hell Guller very good.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Eighty is the number to call? What is the greatest
New Zealand icon of all time? On the back of
Griffin's Cookie Beer being retired, Bob, how you doing?

Speaker 13 (01:33:33):
Hello?

Speaker 11 (01:33:34):
Is that me?

Speaker 5 (01:33:35):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (01:33:37):
Oh it is?

Speaker 14 (01:33:38):
Hey the goods, it's the toy world.

Speaker 17 (01:33:40):
There is the world bere I actually sung there, wrote
the original for that. I was advertising, Oh yeah, I did.
And I played on the good night Kiwi scene the original.
Did you in the studio? Then?

Speaker 13 (01:33:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:33:56):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Where was that? Where was that recorded? So that's not
a piece of library Music's an incredible piece of music.

Speaker 17 (01:34:01):
No Mascot studios, Wow and Auckland years ago. Yeah, I
used to manage the studio with them, And what did
you play in it? I just played the bass on that,
you know, it's very simple, and I managed to get
a total of six dollars sessioncy for that. It was
great and it was great right intoerpetuity. So that that's

(01:34:22):
the only rule to we ever got.

Speaker 12 (01:34:26):
And how did you?

Speaker 19 (01:34:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
So the voice of Toby the Toy World. Be it
Toby was his name, wasn't it?

Speaker 11 (01:34:33):
No?

Speaker 17 (01:34:33):
I know, I don't know what. I don't know what
the name was.

Speaker 13 (01:34:40):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
We're just playing a little bit of that, now, Bob,
that would that's going to bring back some memories for you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Great base work, Bob, there was you on the base
of that.

Speaker 7 (01:34:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:34:54):
I was a session based for the New Zealand. Many
records and many jingles and blah blah blah. The other
one I did was a Milky Back Kid. I did
a revised version of the English version. They were wanted
to update it to.

Speaker 11 (01:35:11):
My son.

Speaker 17 (01:35:11):
Ended up being It's some lookie back.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
Did you know what was her name? Mary Grinley? Murray Grinley?
Did you marry?

Speaker 17 (01:35:21):
Grinley did very well and I did a lot of
him and Bruce Lynch, and we're the main writers. There's
only about five jingle writers in Auckland in those days,
and we did a hell of a lot of work.

(01:35:42):
But then when technology changed and you know, you guys
started making them yourself at the radio station like that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:35:51):
But now I've I've done so many you'd recognize. You know,
he's one of my favorites. I won't sing the whole thing.
I'll sing a bit of it. Where did you go
to get go and causey go and get stuff? There's
the fence and the roof, Bern is going to be
get out in the stone.

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
Help you.

Speaker 5 (01:36:11):
When that worked?

Speaker 17 (01:36:12):
To do them stone for you?

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
That's good?

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Were you involved in all with go for Gerard and
your roof is looking good?

Speaker 7 (01:36:23):
No?

Speaker 17 (01:36:23):
The guy that did that that he recorded it at
where I was managing the studio. No, yes, that was
the guy out of that band, the Rumor. Wow, Shatee Smith.
It's a funny business.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
Yeah, fantastic. So good to talk to you, Bob. I
could talk to you for hours about all all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
I mean did everything, Bob, didn't he?

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
I mean playing the bass on the good Night Kiwi song.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
Yeah, that's huge.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
That is huge. That is huge.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
I don't know if anyone can top that, to be honest, right,
I think that is where we'll leave it because coming
up very shortly. Gareth Abdenor He is an employment work
place an information expert and director of Abdenall Employment Lord.
He joins us once a month on our Ask the
Expert series to answer all the burning questions you've got.
If you've got a problem in your place of work,

(01:37:17):
if you're a boss who's got some issues with your employees,
he is the man to chat to.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Yeah, one day we'll get back to that topic of
New Zealand's greatest icon. Yeah and jingle because just so
many texts coming through and so many calls coming through.
But we've only got half an hour for it. But
we'll do it again another day because I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
Yeah, we're going to bring their best.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
Just about to start seeing the honeypuff song and meod
me man the time here looking for the honey honey
bee honey puffsy yars and you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Missed your calling. Yeah, yeah, right, coming up very shortly,
Gareth Abden. Or get on the phones now because it's
always very popular. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call, nine two ninety two. If
you want to send a text message, it is twenty
nine past three.

Speaker 4 (01:38:00):
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Speedy changes will include getting EDS to medically review unidentified patients.
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dead and roseneath on Monday and have referred the case
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(01:38:45):
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(01:39:08):
said Harold Premium. Now back to Matt and Tayler.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
Thank you very much. Wendy, so he joins us once
a month as part of our ask the Expert series
to answer all your burning questions. Gareth Abdenoor. He's an employment,
workplace and information expert and director of Abdena Employment Law.
He's brilliant and he joins us.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
Once again, it's not Egbert the Expert, the very eggy blow. No,
we've moved on from those icons of New Zealand advertising.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
Yeah almost, Gareth, I'm good, thank you. Well, just while
we're on there, before we move on to employment, the
greatest New Zealand icon in your eyes, Gareth.

Speaker 22 (01:39:42):
It's got to be the peanut butter.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
Good Ah, the put But.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
What a great jangle that was.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
We take the fritchest peanuts in the world and put
them in.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
So we'll start off with some Textwait hundred eighty ten eighty.
If you've got a question around employment, lord, give us
a ring right now. Hey, guys, I have a question
for Gareth. I have a staff member who has taken
sick leave to head to a foreign country for IVF treatment,
will be gone for three months, and I'm just wondering
what our legal standpoint is having to hold her job
open on a medical certificate from another country. That's from Simon.

Speaker 22 (01:40:20):
Goodness man, that's that's definitely a strange one. Well, the
Holidays Act provides for a certain amount of sick leave,
and that's not three months. The maximum amount that you
can have at any one time is twenty days. So yeah,

(01:40:42):
I think this person is going to be exceeding their
sick leave, and unless they've obtained an agreement from their employer,
they're going to be on shaky ground as to whether
there will be a job for them to come back to.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
Is IVF technically being sick? So if you get a
because you know, I'm good on you for doing it,
but that's something you've opted to do. It's not something
that's befallen you, if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 22 (01:41:08):
I think it's a gray area. I'm not sure that's
what the sickle entitlement was designed for, although I'm sure
you could make an argument to that effect. I think
in this case it's more the length of time that
the person's going to be away. That's clearly an issue
and could certainly have a negative impact on the business.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
Very interesting artistics to see is him, Gareth, Is it
okay for your employer to make comments around personal appearance
to an employee such as you look drunk, or you
smell or you look fanter?

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
Are you drunk?

Speaker 22 (01:41:41):
Well, yeah, I guess the question is does this person
look drunk and have they been drinking at work? It's
a bit of a fine line. Certainly, if one of
your workers appears to be intoxicated, I definitely think you
can raise that with them, and in fact, under health
and safety obligations, you're a bliged to raise that with them.

(01:42:04):
Saying you look battered, well, that's maybe getting into awkward territory,
and it really depends on the circumstances.

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
What was the other one, Tyle, Well, it said you
smell and quotation it's not today anyway. I mean around
that personal appearance and if someone does have a bad
body odor is that, I mean that must be a
tricky path to navigate if you're an employer.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
It is.

Speaker 22 (01:42:33):
It's an incredibly difficult one, and in fact it's one
that's actually come up reasonably often because employers want to
deal with this in the most sensitive way possible, certainly
all of the ones that I've spoken to. But how
do you raise it with someone? It's incredibly awkward. But
what do you do if someone's personal hygiene body odor

(01:42:55):
is having an impact on their colleagues, on customers. It's
something that you are entitled to raise, but you need
to do so sensitively.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
It is an interesting one, isn't it from you know,
slightly off topic. But if you do stink, don't you
want someone to have a quiet word with you. I
worked with a guy for a while who really stunk,
and no one said anything. People just moved away from him,
and then he felt really isolated and he eventually.

Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
Left the job.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
And I always wondered if because he was actually a
really nice guy, but he just really really stunk, And
if someone had just had a word to him, a
manager or something, and said, look, mate, you stink, and people,
I mean you'd say nicer than that, you wouldn't go
you stink. You might go, hey, your odor is becoming
a problem. Have you noticed that people are moving away
from you? But he just ended up thinking everyone hated

(01:43:43):
him and they left. So there you go.

Speaker 22 (01:43:46):
Yeah, that's certainly not ideal, was I think. I think
people are terrified of having these difficult conversations. Back in
the day, I think maybe we were a bit more robust.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Yeah, I mean, obviously someone walks in you don't want.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
To get Oh you stink, you know, but be subtle
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
But taking someone aside you might actually be be helping them.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Absolutely, it's not the New Zealand way unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (01:44:12):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you've got a question for Gareth. Now is
your opportunity. It's always a very popular segment, so get
in now and if you want to stay anonymous on phone,
we can certainly do that. But oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is
twenty two to four.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
Mattie Tyler Adams taking your calls on oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty Matten Tyler Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:44:36):
It'd be good afternoon, and we are joined once again
by Gareth Abdenor, an employment, workplace and information expert and
director of Abdenall Employment Law. He's taking your questions on
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 21 (01:44:49):
Phil Your question for Gareth, Hi, Gareth, Yeah, I'm just
calling about the sick leave kind of similar to the
question before, and if the employer is the maybe cause
of becoming sick, how does that factor.

Speaker 17 (01:45:07):
Him If the time is longer than the allowed.

Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
Sick leave that the employee has.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
What did he cough on you?

Speaker 4 (01:45:16):
Possibly?

Speaker 22 (01:45:18):
Okay, okay, Yeah, that's a great question for It really
comes down to the circumstances of the particular case. If
it's a workplace injury that might be relevant in these
days or in the COVID days when people were picking

(01:45:38):
up COVID from people, that may be relevant. But it's
unlikely that you're going to need three months or for
getting COVID, So it really depends.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
I think.

Speaker 22 (01:45:51):
You would have to prove that the illness or sickness
or reason that you need to be away is as
a result of the workplace. Often people argue this, but
then you know, you raise a personal grievance. So I
don't think that's simply going to allow you to be
away for an extended period of time.

Speaker 17 (01:46:14):
Right, So, like if there's a doctor's note or an
incident reports that show that's the case.

Speaker 22 (01:46:22):
Yeah, a lot of people get doctors notes that simply
repeat what the patient has told them, So that doesn't
necessarily mean that that is the cause. I see that
all the time. So yeah, I don't think that's going

(01:46:43):
to qualify you for extended time away.

Speaker 17 (01:46:47):
I guess there's a personal agreement to the mix, so
we'll see how it plays out.

Speaker 22 (01:46:52):
Yeah, yeah, and that's most likely the case in a
situation like that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
Well, thank if you call Phil, Welcome to the show. Taylor,
your question for Gareth?

Speaker 23 (01:47:02):
Okay, Gareth, we it's about ours that I work.

Speaker 13 (01:47:08):
We were.

Speaker 23 (01:47:12):
Our wages Wednesday Wednesday, So on Friday we were told
not to come into work because one of the key
persons that of the team was sick, so we didn't
work that day. But then we were asked to come
in on Sunday, and so we came into work in

(01:47:35):
the presumption that there was going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:47:39):
Over time.

Speaker 23 (01:47:41):
We then asked our shift supervisor if we're going to
get paid for the day that we had off on Friday,
because it's not our fault. He said yes. Whether we're
going to be paid on Sunday, he said yes. But
lo and behold when the wages our paships came around,
they've used the Sunday to justify paying the forty hours

(01:48:04):
that were missing because we were off on Friday and
not paid us for the Sunday that we worked as
extra hours of on top of the forty hours that
we we do. So I'm really confused why that was
done and if there is room for us to take
this further to the tribunal or someone to advise us on.

Speaker 22 (01:48:28):
Yeah, that's a great question, and long time listeners of
this segment will know. The first step is have a
look at your employment agreement that all set out your
normal hours of work, and it will also or should
set out when you can be asked or required to
work additional hours. In this case, it would be quite

(01:48:50):
surprising that if you are told not to come to
work and it's not your fault, that the company would
be permitted not to pay you for that day. And so, certainly,
from what you've told me, it sounds like you've got
a good argument to get paid for the Friday and
the Sunday, and you should be able to raise that

(01:49:13):
with the company without having to take it to the tribunal.
The costs of taking a case all the way to
a hearing and the authority for one day's pay may
not be cost effective, but you should be able to
negotiate this with the company.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
Yeah, good luck, Taylor. Now I've got a text question
here for you, Garrison. Now, this person has harassed us
the last couple of times you've been on. So we're
going to ask it now. They keep texting the same
question and the questions because I know you love these holiday.

Speaker 22 (01:49:44):
Questions about the holidays acts.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
Yeah, so here it is. So why aren't most public
holidays just a day off for people who work on
a Monday.

Speaker 22 (01:49:54):
That's something you're going to have to raise with Parliament. Unfortunately,
that's not really something I have any influence over.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
Yeah, there ego text and now leave us alone.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
Please, I know who that as is, Great New Zealand.
At that text Ya, he's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:50:07):
Undred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
And how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 25 (01:50:13):
Oh Pierre, I'm very good.

Speaker 5 (01:50:14):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
Now gathers standing by for your question.

Speaker 25 (01:50:18):
All right. So, as health professionals are, for example, living
in a small area such as say christ Church, and
they are wanting to go from one clinic to another. However,
in the contract that they may have, it restraints their
ability to trade within a five k radius. So if

(01:50:39):
that was to be enforced by the employer, would they
need to pay them a certain period of time before
that restraint of trade is finished? Or is it unreasonable
to be putting things like that within contracts, you know,
when we have people who may bounce to clinics that

(01:51:02):
are quite close.

Speaker 22 (01:51:04):
Well, just the first thing I have to say is
I'm slightly offended that you think christ Church is a
small place. As a proud christ Church resident, well, I
think it's the best city in New Zealand.

Speaker 24 (01:51:16):
But I do agree.

Speaker 22 (01:51:23):
The factor the factors that get taken into account. Does
the restraint go any further than is needed to protect
the employer's interests? Now, to pick up on some of
your weirding, you see some people bounce from clinic to clinic.
In situations like that, there may be an interest that

(01:51:48):
is being infringed upon, and so the fact that it's
a smaller city like Christchurch isn't really the determining factor. So,
you know, could that be enforced Potentially, Yes, it could,
depending on the information that the employee has access to

(01:52:09):
and whether they can use that to unfairly compete with
their previous employer. People always grew up about restraints and
some people think they're totally unenforceable and they get a
really unpleasant surprise when they get an injunction against them.
Other people think that restraints that are on the face

(01:52:32):
of it, really unreasonable are enforceable and that doesn't stack
up either, So it really depends.

Speaker 25 (01:52:39):
And what about in regards to contractors.

Speaker 22 (01:52:43):
Yeah, with the contractor, it all depends on what the
parties have agreed to in the contract. And if you
agree to it in the contract and it's not it
doesn't breach any anti competitive laws or anything like that,
then you know, if you've agreed to it, you bound
to it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:03):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
Hopefully that helps.

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
Thank you, Luck, and thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
I've got one for you. Get arth on a text
which I find quite interesting. So I'm going to pick
this one out of the thousands coming through. Gareth. I
work for a Brethren company and have recently left. They
sent me a large severance payment. If I never talked
about them and sent me an agreement, is this on
the level? Have you heard of this before?

Speaker 22 (01:53:26):
Well? If I had heard about it before and I
had taken the payment and signed the agreement, I wouldn't
be able.

Speaker 12 (01:53:32):
To tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:35):
That says a lot serious.

Speaker 22 (01:53:37):
Seriously, if you accept a payment to enter into what's
often called a non disclosure agreement or a confidentiality agreement,
well then I think that's likely to be enforceable. You've
you've taken the payment, You've agreed to something you know,

(01:53:57):
you could choose not to agree, and then you could
you could talk about what you want to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
As does that include legal activities? Can you sign an
NDA that covers off crimes not not not saying that
in this case at all. I don't know anything about that.
I don't know a lot about Brethren. I'm not saying that.
But just generally, if someone if someone's been committing some
crimes and then that you're leaving, and they're worried that

(01:54:25):
you might mention that and you sign up a big
NDA that you won't talk about it, does the nd A,
you know, supersede you're you know, you're right to go
to the police.

Speaker 22 (01:54:37):
That's a great question, Matt, and I suspect that that
would be breaching all sorts of legal obligations. But I
don't think you're going to look very good if you
accept the payment saying that you're not going to talk
about it, and then you go to the police. The
best course of action in that case would be, if

(01:54:59):
you think crimes are being committed, go to the police
or the or the relevant authorities.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
And would you have to give the money back when
you did that well, and then that's a moral dilemma
of huge tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
Exactly final one here and it was from a caller
we just didn't have time for. But Jim wanted to
ask about compassionate leave sick parents in Australia. Just the
rules around taking compassionate leave. How much time can you
get and what are the rules around employees giving that
compassionate leave to you.

Speaker 22 (01:55:33):
Yeah, that's another great question. As far as I'm aware,
there is no provision for compassionate leave in the Holidays Act.
You can get sick leave if you are caring for
someone that you look after, so that could potentially be

(01:55:54):
in effect here. It's more likely that this is going
to be some sort of discretionary leave that the employer
might agree to. Definitely tricky situation and not one that
should be dealt with slightly.

Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
Yeah, very good, Gareth, Thank you again so much. We've
had choco bloc phones and so many texts, but we'll
hold them all next time you're with us in about
a month's sime.

Speaker 22 (01:56:20):
Fantastic, Thanks guys.

Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
That is Gareth abdenall employment, workplace and information expert and
director of abdenor Law Employment Law. You can check them
out Abdenorlaw dot n Z. Fantastic right. Oh, eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is number to call. We're
going to wrap all this up very shortly. It is
seven to four.

Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt and Taylor Afternoons Used Talk ZEDB,
Newstalk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (01:56:49):
Here's an interesting text. Hello, current practicing member of Brethren.
The person who says they were given hush money is
obviously either not telling the whole story or the company
concerned is not Brethren, because that sort of behavior is
strongly condemned within the Brethren ethos. If they were doing
something illegal, a report them. Okay, thank we get that
text there, all right? I guess what can I say?

Speaker 12 (01:57:09):
R O P.

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
Cookie Beer Do said said he is see you tomorrow
afternoon for another edition. I've met un Tiler afternoons on ZB.
Until then, give him a taste of Kiwi from me.

Speaker 3 (01:57:21):
Catch you then.

Speaker 4 (01:57:30):
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Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
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