Full Show Podcast: 07 May 2025

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Hello are you great New Sealisen? Welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show Podcast number one nineteen for Wednesday, the
seventh of May twenty twenty five. Fantastic show. Today. Finally
got round to the topic that we've been meaning to
get round to for three days. How does it go?

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Though?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Because it was Tyler's pit topic he really wanted us
to discuss it. Yep, it was on work, drisk codes,
three strikes and he's out didn't work two days in
a row. Well, actually the other topics worked so well,
we didn't get to it. So how does it go?

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Yeah? Did I head a home run or just embarrass
my whole family lineage?

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah? Find out and as a result, never get to
put forward any content again. Well, well find out?

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Speaker 6 (01:20):
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Speaker 4 (01:23):
Good afternoon to you. Welcome and to the show on
this Wednesday afternoon. Hope you were doing swimmingly wherever you're
listening in the country day, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
I'm not doing swimmingly. I'm doing fantastically, Tyler. Thanks for
tuning in all your great New Zealanders. We've got a
great three hours of entertainment coming up for you.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Absolutely. I've got a question for you. Okay, how good
are you at backing a trailer?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I am pretty good at backing a trailer, but for
some reason, I'm terrible at backing a boat trailer without
the boat on it right. I need to be able
to see some part of the trailer to be able
to back it.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
That is a big thing with backing.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
But the reason I asked you that in driving into
work today and there was a truckee trying to back
into a work site on a public road, so they
had to stop the traffic while he was trying to
back in. Looked like pipes or something he was to
get into this work site. But oh man, the poor
guy just could not crack it. He looked like a
young guy in the driver's seat and the first attempt

(02:17):
was awful. He was all over the shop, all over
the shop. His mates as colleagues were laughing at him.
There was some frustration from the motorists, and then he
tried again and again and again, to the point where
the site manager came in and yelled at him. It
wasn't in English, obviously, the site manager was screaming at
him in a foreign language. And then the motorists started

(02:39):
tooting at this guy, and I was just thinking, oh man,
this is horrible.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I've always sort of good television show would be a
group of commentators, you know, dressed up in the Richie beno.
So it's sitting on a desk in front of and
you know, maybe they're traveling around. They hear someone trying
to park. They sit up the desk and they commentate
on people trying to park. There's a park just outside
here that is on a corner, so when you park,

(03:03):
you're trying to parallel park, but at the same time
you've got the apex of the corner. And boy, I
mean it is a challenge.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
That is a massive challenge.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Me and a few mates from downstairs, we've spent long
times over lunch, just commentating on people trying to park,
and they can feel it. They can feel that the pressure. Yeah,
they can feel the pressure hitting them. Hey, I've got
a question for you just before we go on. Are
you supposed to wait for someone to parallel park or
is the person that's parallel parking supposed to not start

(03:35):
parallel parking until the people have gone past.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Good question, because I always assert my right to do
the parallel park before I let people pass. But am
I right to do that? If you know what I'm saying.
If it's in a situation where the car behind you
narrow street or whatever, they have to wait, they can't
go past, you know, or it's coming up to a
corner or something. Wait, I think if you drive the
friendly way, you let the person parallel park, don't you,

(03:59):
because they're doing the more complicated thing than you, which
is just driving around the corner.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Well, I always try and time that parallel parking so
I don't have anyone behind me, and I've got to
do it fast. I've got one shot at it, and
if I screw it up there and that's done, I've
got to carry on and find another park. That's how
I usually roll with it.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Ah, right, Yeah, I've got automatic parallel parking on my cart.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
Do you just press a button and it does it
for you.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
I would never do that, though, that's I've got it.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
You'd have to hand in your making.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I've got it. And when I first bought it, I
did it to show the kids how cool it was. Yeah,
but then after that, come on, if you can't parallel park,
you shouldn't be driven exactly.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
Get out of the car.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
That leads us to our show today after three o'clock
dress codes at work, Starbucks has freaked out about a
bunch of its younger employees in the States which changing
their dress code rather slightly. I've got to say they
want to look more professional, but the younger workers are
saying this impacks our freedom to express ourselves.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Are we really going to do this topic today, Tyler.
We've tried to do it for two days in a row.
Are we really going to get to it?

Speaker 5 (04:57):
I'm always an optimist.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Okay, if we don't really, if the other two topics
blow up so much like they have in the last
two days and we don't get to this topic on
dress codes at work, yep, I want to jettison it.
I want to start on this show and you're out.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Okay, story doesn't get through three days in a row,
it's out, it's gone. That is a promise on the
afternoons from this day forth, because strike.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
We must know that it's not as important as some
of the other stories have been doing. Okay, what else
you got?

Speaker 4 (05:19):
I've also forgotten I've done it again, Gareth Abden or
how could I forget Gareth Abden? Or right at the
end of the show, ask the experts series, as we
always do on a Wednesday. He is phenomenal. He's an
employment lawyer and he's taking your questions. You've got a
problem at work. He is the man to chat to.
That's after three point thirty.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Oh, Matt, Yes, you have to let people pass before parking.
I went to court and as old dude hit the
front of my car while parallel parking. My fault.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Oh okay, there we go.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
You have to let people pass well before parking. That's interesting, Okay.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Good to go. Yeah, not after two o'clock.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I've been in the wrong for a very long time.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah, it's a good thing you didn't get into a
prank after two o'clock. The number of key we was
living with their parents into adulthood is on the rise,
and twenty twenty three yet this more than two hundred
thousand adult children living with their parents. That is a
thirty four percent increase on twenty thirteen numbers. Former TVNS
sports is into Haley Holt very famously one of them.
She had a story in the paper a couple of
days ago saying she had to move back in with

(06:14):
the parents on the farm and walk With shame.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah no, hang on, but it doesn't She's she lived
in walk With Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
No, sorry, she's renting out the house and Walkworth and
she's gone to her parents somewhere.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Is it unfear me for me to say shame?

Speaker 5 (06:29):
I mean it seems like a beautiful farm.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Of course, of course it is unfair to say that.
But there is there any shame in moving back in
with your parents. Personally, I would love my kids to
move back, and my eldest kids just moved out and
I miss him. So if he's listening, which she definitely
won't be, I say, move back anytime and have kids sooner,
move in with your wife and kids. I'll just I'll
get a bigger and bigger house to fit everyone. I

(06:53):
think living with your whole family's fantastic idea.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
It's a great financial strategy if you're a child.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Although I think it could potentially limit their chances of
developing properly.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
Yeah, there is always that as well.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
That's after two o'clock, because right now, let's have a
chat about this proposed social media band for under sixteens.
National MP Catherine Weed with the Becking and Christopher Luxe
and yesterday put forward to members bill which would try
and follow Australia's lead on cracking down on perceived social
media harm. But the big question is, well, one, how
do you feel about this? Do you think a bill
like this will is needed in New Zealand to try

(07:24):
and ban under sixtems from using social media? But will
it work? Well?

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, so I think a lot of people would agree
with what Catherine we had said. She said, as a
mother of four children, I feel very strongly that families
and parents should be better supported when it comes to
overseeing their children's online exposure. I think we'd all agree
with that. And Krystall Bluckson said, we have restrictions to
keep our children safe from the physical world, but we
don't have the equivalent restrictions in the virtual world, and
we should. And there's been studies that seem to suggest

(07:50):
that social media is pretty punishing on kids' mental health.
And you know, we'd prefer that they are out, I
don't know, build and tree hearts, playing sport, you know,
socializing face to face. Although to be fair, when I
was a lot of my socializing face to face involve
throwing rocks at things. Yep, so I wasn't necessarily all
wholesome back in the old days.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
But it's fun, very fun.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
But is it even practical? That's the thing? What do
you think about this? Is this the realm of the
government to stop just ban people from social media under
the age of sixteen? And what does that mean to
those people that have created groups and have connections on
social media that struggle to have them outside and what
is it? How does the even the identification work because

(08:35):
you know, in the Australian model, the social media platforms
because legislation has been passed in Australia, the Online Safety Amendment,
and social media platforms must take reasonable steps to prevent
under sixteens from assessing their services. But the law does
not specify exact methods. Platforms are expected to implement some
form of age insurance. What if that becomes I mean,

(08:57):
in Australia said it has to not be government id
because you don't want everyone in the country to have
to suddenly prove who they are online, do we?

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Well, that's it, and that was part of this bill
that there would have to be enforced age verification.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
So how do you do that?

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Do you use something like the real me platform government
platform that is used in some of the other government organizations.
There's a whole lot of fishwalks here or I mean,
to play Devil's advocate if they were to introduce this
sort of law, regardless of whether it would work or
and the fishaloks involved, would that send a message to

(09:32):
parents in New Zealand society as a whole that it's
not going to stop many sixteen year olds under sixteen
year olds from using social media. But the message is
there that clearly they think there's a lot of harm
involved in using social media before that age. Yeah, but I.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Mean part of me just thinks that that's really the
job of the parent, doesn't it. So you're going to
get a situation where what every single person that's on
social media now, like you Tyler, who's well over sixteen, yep,
has to go and prove that there their age before
they can go into their social media accounts.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah. As it stands, we're still yet to get the
final detail.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Everyone has to do that. Yeah, I mean surely it's
parents need to take charge in this, and maybe the
way to do it instead of legislating it is to
educate parents and give them, you know, tell them how
to do it.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yeah, give them the tools to be able to do
it effectively.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
But like some parents might want their kids on social
media under sixteen, Yeah, so you know, maybe they do.
Maybe they think it's better for them because I mean,
when you screw right into those studies, they're not as
conclusive if people might think they are. So, I don't know.
I think there's a lot of complexities complexities on this.
But eight hundred and eighty ten eighty do you think
kids under sixteen should be banned from social media in

(10:45):
New Zealand or do you think this is an overreach?

Speaker 7 (10:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Love to hear from you. It is sixteen past one.
You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Good Afternoon, The.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Big Stories, The big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 4 (11:06):
News Talks THEREB we're talking about the proposed social media
band for under sixteens.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Is this true? This is on the slightly different topic
to day Lad's. The easiest way to back a trailer
is to grab the steering wheel at the bottom. If
you want the trailer to go right, move your hand
to the right. It takes away the opposite steering thing.
Some brains just can't get it. Cheers greeg.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
I'm just trying to picture that as I'm driving along,
trying to back a trailer so right at the bottom
of the steering wheel and then shimming it to the.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Rise because you're looking over your shoulder, of course, and.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
Would the trailer go right? Yes it would, Yeah, it would.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
The biggest pressure is at the boat ramp and you've
got about five other dudes pulling up at pace and
watching you and judging you exactly. That's the most pressure
that you'll ever face in your life.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Well, just back to the truckie who had to hold
up traffic in the morning. That's why where I think
he went wrong. I imagine he was quite a good backup,
but as soon as people started watching him and the
pressure came on, he just folded like a house of cards.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Poor guy. Yeah, but I will say that that truck
he's especially truckies, and you get your trailer as well.
There's a there's an enzied post trucky that that pastor
park near my house regularly, and I see him and
I watch him in or out my window. He's so good.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
Some of them are pretty good.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
It's a superpower.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
He's so good. It's such a tight corner and there's
a lot of traffic coming through and he's got to
get it right through this garage and into the warehouse.
And I feel like going out and just applauding her,
asking for his autograph.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Well like this stick. So guys, try being a female
backing up at the boat ramp. Now that is pressure.
Oh yeah, well, well is it?

Speaker 6 (12:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (12:41):
I don't know. Does it really matter. I mean, if
you're cocking it up, you're cocking it up. Doesn't really
matter what the ginger is. You're going to get addles
from everybody.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
When I'm laughing at someone for cocking it up. I
don't care what you endo.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
That right, let's get back to this proposing massively. We're
going to bring that back another day. I think the
old becking a trailer's skill. But back to social media
ban under sixteen. It's been proposed, as you will have seen,
National heads proposed that Catherine Webb has put it in
the biscuit turn and it's got the back in of
the Prime Minister. But they intend to follow Australia's lead

(13:12):
with the social media band that they have implemented over there.
But fair to say Australia's implementation of that bill has
not gone smoothly.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, that's right. So what would actually the verification methods be? Biometrics,
would be facial recognition, ID verification, biological analysis. I don't know,
I'm just thinking of a few things here. You definitely
don't want people to have to put their passport or
ID into the system, do you.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
I just wouldn't because as we talked about in the
air break that it would be it wouldn't be retrospective, right,
it wouldn't be grandfathered in, So everybody would have to
go and use this identity verification for social media, not
a social media I just wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Tell you who you don't want it. You don't want
to give your passport and ID details too, TikTok no,
because that'll go straight to the Chinese Communist Party.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah, that's right, nanny state.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
People can't make decisions for themselves, so government tell us
what a disgrace is this texture on this muz is.
Here's a random idea, how about parents take responsibility for
their kids the year go? And here's an opposing idea. Guys,
social media is toxic for people's health and in the
future will be reviewed as the smoking of our generation.

(14:26):
My kid's thirteen to eleven a band from social media,
and having a law will legitimize my approach. I mean,
that's what the likes of Jonathan Heyde said that the
problem with these bands is, you know, parental bands, and
this is just have the other side of what I
was saying before. But the parental bands is that the kids,
your kids become outliers and so they are absolutely racked

(14:48):
with FOMO and a result, hatred for you because everyone
else is communicating on Snapchat and everyone else's and they're isolated.
So if you could run a band that and those circumstances,
at least you're the people that are running the band.
It would be everyone, so no one's missing out because
it's pretty harsh now if you ban your kids completely
from so media. Although I will say my kids went

(15:10):
to Corfy Intermediate in Auckland and that intermediate had a
band on social media when they were there, both inside
and outside of the school. And as a result, I
believe that my kids have a healthier experience with social
media than other kids because they didn't have any access
to it at all until they are about fourteen, and

(15:31):
so they're just not obsessed with it in the same
way other kids. That's which is that's a sampler too.
I might just be the kind of awesome parent that
has gives them more fun things to do than social media.
I don't know, unlikely, but with them I can see
some worth in the and that intermediate doing it. It
made global news and then it's been pulled back now

(15:53):
because it's pretty full on from an intermediate. So you
can't what kids can't do outside of school.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
If you said what I'm saying, I mean, is there
an element to what happens with the Amish kids sometimes?
Is they not allowed any of this technology and then
they get a year to go out. I believe when
they are eighteen to go and experience the world and
do all of those things that they shouldn't be doing
as in the Amish community, and a lot of them
freak out, they lose their minds when they go into
this world with all of these.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
What's it called it called registrangth or something.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
Any fascinating documentary about it.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
But there is that that if kids aren't allowed to
experience technology that exists in our society, and the horse
has bolted. I think when it comes to social media,
it is there and it is a big part of
most of our lives, then that could be problematic when
they get access to it at sixteen and absolutely go crazy.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Wit hundred and eighty ten eighty would you support a
bill to ban social media for people under sixteen years old?

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Speaker 5 (17:32):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
We're talking about the proposed social media band for under
sixteens that has been pushed by a national To check
further about this, we're joined by Eric Crampton. He is
part of the New Zealand Initiative, the Chief Economist, and
he wrote about this very topic at the end of
last year. Eric, Very good afternoon to you and.

Speaker 11 (17:50):
To you Eric.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Is social media problem to under sixteens in New Zealand?
Do we have solid evidence of this?

Speaker 12 (17:58):
The evidence is pretty mixed. So there was a great
piece summarizing the lit in the Chronicle of Higher Education
late last year. There have been strong proponents of the
idea that social is harmful for kids, predominantly Jonathan Hite.
The evidence is a little more mixed than he has
put up. I consider it sufficient as a parent to
be keeping an eye on things, but I don't think

(18:18):
that it rises to the level of justifying a band.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Is there any good in social media for kids under
sustain I guess that's the other side of it, because
we hear the problems. But is it creating any good
in the community.

Speaker 12 (18:31):
Of course, my children talk to their friends on there
when they also go out to meet with them. They
do plenty of the actual in person interaction, but they
coordinate those through social media accounts. If you consider what'sapp
to be social media, and the legislation could allow that,
and it also lets them talk to their grandparents, you
can also there are other opportunities that come up. It's

(18:53):
a speech platform, right, so every speech platform there is
has some mix of good stuff and bad stuff. There
will be communities of kids that can connect with each
other online in ways that might be more difficult face
to face because they're, say from ament minority group or
have a particular interest that isn't really prevalent in their
own school, they can find others that are like minded

(19:15):
and chat that way, and that can be beneficial.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
You wrote about the illusion of explanatory depth in this article,
and it's a very good article people can see on
the New Zealand Initiative website. But can you explain that
to us and our listeners when it comes to something
like this bill there is it sounds good and theory
sounds good on paper, but there's a lot of fishooks
when you kind of map it all out.

Speaker 12 (19:39):
Sure, So what I was there thinking about was there's
this phenomenon where if people are asked to whether they
understand something, they'll often say, oh, yeah, sure, I understand it.
But then if they're asked, okay, now tell me in
detail how this thing works, things often fall apart and
then they reassess whether they really understood it. So in
this case, I suppose that you thought that the evidence

(20:00):
rose to the level that the government really should consider this.
In that case you need to think about, all right,
how could they actually implement in practice. Now, what I've
come to in thinking about it more since I wrote
that article is that any system that you come to
that puts the obligation on platforms. To keep kids off
of the platforms is going to have to fail in

(20:23):
one of three ways, and you have to pick which
one you're most comfortable with. So you could set up
a system that's pretty easy for kids to work around,
you could set up a system that is really inconvenient
for adult users or users who are over the age limit.
And you could set up a system that means the
effective end of online privacy. So a lot of people

(20:45):
get real value out of having accounts on Twitter or
elsewhere that aren't really linked to their real name because
they're not able, they're not in a job that allows
them to speak freely. They have a pseudonym. Some people
know who they are, most don't. There is some value
in that. It is hard to design a system, or
at least I've seen no way of designing a system

(21:06):
that avoids at least one of those three problems. And
I worry that the legislation that's been proposed in New
Zealand seems to have a mix of all three happening
at the same time. So the obligation will be on
a platform provider to avoid giving accounts to people who
are under the age of sixteen. They can rely on

(21:28):
government identification as a way of verifying, and if a
kid puts up a fake ID, then that's a good
defense for the platform, So they are not liable for
a two million dollar fine. So what does that mean
in practice? Potentially, then if I'm fifteen and I have
a sixteen year old classmate, my sixteen year old classmate
can verify my account for me using their ID. There's

(21:51):
no prohibition on that. On the there'll be no penalty
for the kid having done that. The platform will have
every reason to store identification indefinitely in case they're ever
challenged on it. So it's the end of online privacy
because all of those could be subpoenaid. And if you
want to tighten things up so it's harder for kids

(22:14):
to use a friend's ID, you're going to require something
that frequently makes them double check their ID. So just
reverification to make to make it hard for kids to
find the same friend again to get it done again.
And that'd be burdensome for adults if it winds up
going that way. When people discover that, shock horror, kids

(22:34):
have gotten around the system.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, yeah, I mean kids are incredibly smart, and I
guess the other thing is if they're successfully running a
you know, so they actually do manage to put these
systems in place, the main social media ones, the one
we know, the marquee ones, there's a bunch of underground
social media and completely unregulated places that they could end up.

(22:57):
Do you think that that is a concern that the
unforeseen circumstance would be. I'm just picking fore chain out
of you know, out of thineasire that that kids end
up in the dark recesses because that's the only place
they're allowed to be.

Speaker 12 (23:10):
That's another real risk that the better you are at
keeping kids off of a platform that they want to
be on because that's where they're able to talk with
their friends, the more reason they have to find another
place where they can talk with their friends, whether that's
in a rollblocks chat group or voice chat in a
video game, or a weird foreign site that isn't subject

(23:34):
to New Zealand regulation because New Zealand can issue all
the directors at once, but if somebody's based it oversees
it and aren't in a jurisdiction that really cares what
New Zealand thinks, then there's not much to be done
about it.

Speaker 13 (23:48):
So that is yes a risk.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Yeah, doctor Crampton, thank you very much for your thoughts
and expertise. Really appreciate it and very interesting, Really appreciate
your time.

Speaker 12 (23:58):
No problem at all, thank you.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
That is doctor Eric Crampton, a chief economist and part
of the New Zealand initiative.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
If it comes down to Pierre, if we go through
this and say it's too complicated and maybe it looks
like the Australians are finding out a lot of fo shocks,
as you say, Tyler, when they're looking into this and
we find out that it is very difficult. How as
a parent if the responsibility goes back to the parents,
how as a parent do you actually keep your kids
if you think they should be off social media under sixteen?
How do you actually achieve that? One hundred and eighteen.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Eighty yep, it is twenty six to two.

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Speaker 4 (25:43):
Thank you very much, Raylen And we're talking about this
proposed social media band for under sixteens for parents listing
out there. If you've tried to control the social media
use of your children, how do you achieve that? And
I was just thinking it must be incredibly difficult as
apparent to try and keep up with all the different
Internet communities that children are a part of these days,

(26:04):
like Discord. For example, I was massively late to the
party with Discord, and I still don't really understand it.
Taligram's another one, and I'm sure there are half a
dozen other ones out there I've never heard of. But
that is where kids are operating.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, I mean my kids are all about Discord. And
you know, as this texta points out, where does the
social media end and where does it begin? For example,
in Australia where they've brought this band in, it doesn't
start to December tweeny twenty five. But they've they've removed
YouTube from it because they believe that YouTube is educational
because you can watch educational videos on YouTube. But there's
educational stuff on Instagram as well. Facebook absolutely stuff. If

(26:43):
you're getting any information from TikTok, especially political information, you're
absolute more on But there is arguably still information on there.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Yeah, but they're the very fact that they've had to
go back and say, okay, yeah, we got it wrong
on YouTube. YouTube's okay. You know this particular.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
WhatsApp's okay because parents text them and there's sports, sports
teams chats where kids need to be included so they
know where're you know where they're playing. This weekend, Steve says,
I hate this key attitude that kids will be kids,
kids need protection and banning. It is a great idea
and it can and can easily be achieved. Parents achieve
it by growing a spine, stop drinking at the part

(27:22):
and actually spend more time with your kids. China can
successfully control kids through their draconian banning, and we can
do the same. Bring on the draconian band. Since Steve,
there's a few people that are saying this sixteen how
about a complete social media band for this country? What
good has it ever done for anyone? Seriously shut it down.
That that's extreme attitude that you would completely get rid

(27:44):
of social media in New Zealand. But that's that's that's
for all North Korea stuff, right.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
That's very, very fascist, and you get accused of a
bit of fascist quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Good luck starting your boutique candle making company and getting
it out out to the people. Peter, welcome to the show.

Speaker 14 (28:01):
Hey guys.

Speaker 11 (28:02):
With my dollar.

Speaker 15 (28:04):
When I first built the phone, I had a contract
with her because I owned the phone. Therefore I could
do whenever she looked at over the course of whatever period,
and I'd randomly back up the phone. She wasn't allowed
to change passwords or the numbers, and I went through
her social media, and that all changed when she saved

(28:27):
up for her own phone. But she worked fine for me,
and then there was nothing to hide because.

Speaker 16 (28:33):
She knew I was more what she was looking at.

Speaker 15 (28:37):
And we discussed certain websites and certain things that she
was looking at, and that's when I had any made
issues so far, and it seemed to work.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
So what even for you, sorry to jump in there, Peter,
At what age did she get her own phone? Save
up for her own phone?

Speaker 15 (28:56):
So he and her and her mother and I divorced,
so it was a lot easier for both of us
to have her own phone. So she was like twelve
at that time, right, and so it's just a lot
easier me contacting her directly than going to a mother
or whenever she was at a mother's house. So those
were the wolves, both her and her mother and I

(29:19):
had that she wasn't allowing to change passwords. You could
ask for the phone at any time, and she had
to hand it over without complaining, and they kind of
gone away from her trying to hide things from us.
You know, we went to her snapchat and and I
what's up and all the other little sites and their
roadblocks and all that sort of thing. And you saw

(29:41):
the comments real time, and you know, and the sites
what she's looking up on YouTube, and you know that
the history had been wiped. You know, there was in
half history. So you can't go into that, but you
can kind of sit down and discuss what the why
did you clear your history? What was on your history

(30:03):
that you cleared.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Do you think there's something though in parroting where you
leave kids do things and make their own mistakes and
take risks, and they're taking the risks and the parent
giving them the opportunity and the leeway to go out
and take risks is actually good for building their independence
and making them competent as they become grow into adulthood.

Speaker 15 (30:27):
Peter, I think one hundred percent. So, And you know,
they have to find their own way without unfortunately us
we can guide them, but there needs to be on
the back of that, there needs to be a consequence
of a step out side of the area that you believers, right,
and I think there needs to be a discussion along

(30:50):
with it. And you know, I'm not a perfect parent,
and I don't claim to me, but you know, you're
just I used to turn the life there at every night. Yeah,
and you know that was my thing. I don't do
that much anymore. But I just think that it's it's
not up to brown in social media. I think it's

(31:12):
really appearance for people that you know, if you're going
to dollar a thousand dollars phone, you own that phone.

Speaker 14 (31:20):
They don't.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
We'd love to carry on, but the phone line is
is just breaking up a little bit. I thanks very
much for your Your phone.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Isn't really working very well. It's easy, says Albert. People
under sixteen can only use stupid phones. This bright here
idea was sent from a smartphone. That's Albert very good. Yeah, no,
that would be like an interesting idea that you don't
bone ban social media. But kids are only allowed a
smartphone when they're sixteen, so they have to walk around
on a flip phone.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
Good luck with that.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
I can see some I'm just trying to think of
the problems there.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Snake is only entertaining for so long, you know, they
think of it.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah, it's not about so if you think that you
need to get hold of them for whatever reason, I'll
just think about that. So what you have police for
skiing kids and seeing what kind of phone they were
in the opening up and going that's.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
Noki three three ten, Yep, that's all right, you're three now.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
This is an iPhone for yeah, a motor roll zone.
Yeah it is quarter to two, beefy.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Surely the big stories, the big issues, the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons
news talks, they'd.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
Be thirteen to one. Chris, Welcome to the show. What's
your thoughts?

Speaker 11 (32:33):
Good afternoon. I may recognize friend as a computer expert
and twenty five years in the investigative space to do
with technology in twenty years before that. In regards to
standing investigations, I'm a firm believer that technology is an unaghbler,
not the reason. So I've been involved with doing investigations
around schools and there's simple things like girls a boy

(32:58):
saying show us your boobies, and the girls take a
photograph using whatever platform, and then seeing to them we've
got in school bullying using phones we got people who
are having been international, they have a plan to engage
sixteen years in below because what they want to do
is they want to get via details to then scam

(33:19):
and to have identity fit. So a solution is not
just legislation, it's in a neighbor because we have failed
as parental or adults or whatever we want to use
to demonstrate to today's use the consequences of what they do.
And it's because we haven't given that example. And you've

(33:40):
had called us that talk about people going to the
pub or doing whatever they're doing. The challenge there is
the kids aren't learning the consequences if I take a
photo of me, or I look at this, or the
data that's going to steal off my phone. All of
that is real. For those of the people that are
out there that don't believe data has been stolen by
your phone by going to a gaming app, data is

(34:00):
being stolen by sitting in the park on a public
Wi Fi, they are delusional. It's all real.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
So what would you say? What would you say? What
would be the best way? How could we get that
message through the kids? Does that need to be something
that's just through because it's all new ground for us, now,
isn't it. I mean it's not very old. Well, so
it turned out, so do we need to There's a
lot of stuff we drill into kids in terms of
danger and stranger dangers one that springs to mind. So
do we just need from an early age to go look?

(34:29):
Phones are an incredibly powerful tool, but you need to
know that your information is being mined and these are
the things to look out for.

Speaker 11 (34:39):
Yes, I agree with you. It's an education thing in showing,
but it's an education by all levels. So I mentioned
that I've done using schools, and there's couple of reports
out there that I've written. One school that I went
to is we found that they were putting things like
the reproduction cycle of a frog as the search term
and Google. Guess what sort of results they got. Yeah,
as soon as they saw that word sex or reproduction,

(35:02):
that was a problem. So what that interview did is
they joined other international schools by having what they call
the whitelist or the blacklist. So this is schools globally
when they get hit with a with a URL or
we've addressed that is something that's not nice, they reach
just that URL with a central database so therefore subscriptions,

(35:24):
if anybody then went to that, it would then instantly
be blocked.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
Yeah, that is fascinating and scary as well.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah what I mean that sounds like a potential possibility
when you're in school, but as all those that you
need that kind of software at home as well and
on the phone and elsewhere.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
Yeah, thank you very much, Chris. It is ten to two.
Will be back very shortly and we're gonna have a
chat to David Seymour about his thoughts on this. You're
listening to Matt and Tyler Good Afternoon.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons
News Talks the Afternoon.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Well, the eight Party is not convinced a ban on
social media for under sixteen will work or is the
right way to go act Party leader David Seymour joins
us on the show. David Good Afternoon, Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
So you've said for every problem there is a solution
that is simple, neat and wrong. Do you see this
in this potential social media band from under sixteenth?

Speaker 17 (36:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (36:25):
I do. It's one of those times when I think
we just need to take a step back. Yes, social
media is a real problem. There's a lot of bullying
online that being online brings up the worst in people
when they interact with each other. There's grotesque content, be
it sexual or violent or whatever. And there's also I
think an incentive for social media companies to make their

(36:47):
algorithms addictive. And there's a lot of literature you read
Jonathan Hate You, Johann Hari, the people who really think
about this stuff to say it's disturbing the way that
kid's minds evolve. All of that's true, but just putting
together a band slap dash in the middle of a
week of Parliament and saying this is your solution, it's
hard to believe that a solution that's simple can actually

(37:08):
solve a problem this complex. And here's just one reason
why you're not actually banning kids from the Internet. You're
banning kids from social media companies. And there's still a
million other places on the Internet that can have those
three problems that I described. And actually, you know, if anything,
while social media companies are banned in some ways at
least a relatively controlled environment compared with where they can

(37:31):
end up in the dark web.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
How important is online anonymity for free speech because anything
that involves prove your age could risk that anonymity.

Speaker 18 (37:44):
Well, that's another thing. I mean, if you look at
this ban and actual facts, it's really a requirement on
adults to prove their identity before logging in. And you
think about, you know, how we're trying to reduce bureaucracy.
It doesn't seem very sensible. But look, here's what I say.
We shouldn't say it's all too hard to wash our
hands of it. We should use the parliament we're paying for, say, look,

(38:04):
you know, take it to a select committee. Have the
social media company come and put their side of the story.

Speaker 17 (38:09):
Have people like.

Speaker 18 (38:10):
Jonathan hs and Johann Hari World Exports, zoom in, or
maybe even come here. Hear from your local school principle
about what works, look at some of the technologies that
some parents are using to monitor and control their own
kids social media use. By the end of that process,
we might find that together as a country, we can
have a much smarter solution to this problem than slapping

(38:32):
on a band. And if it means we're six months
behind Australia, who are already having lots of trouble with
their approach then, so yet I would rather judge when
we finish with a good result rather than when we
start off on the road to getting a bad one.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Do you think it's realistic to just say, look, parents,
you sort it out your kids. If you think it's
a problem, then spend resources on solving the problem.

Speaker 7 (38:56):
No, I don't.

Speaker 18 (38:57):
I think our society all together, business, parents and the
government all have a role to play, just like I
say that they all have a role to play when
it comes to school of attendance. So the community owns
these problems because we get the impacts when they go wrong. However,
I also believe that we've got to start being a

(39:18):
little bit realistic about the fact that the government alone
cannot do the job of business and community just by
slapping on a band. If solving our problems was that simple,
we wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
Have any David, thank you very much for your time,
really appreciate it. That is at Party leader David seymore
so the social media ban. The proposal is in the
biscuit tin, and if it gets pulled out of that
biscuit tin, I'm sure we'll chat more about that.

Speaker 5 (39:42):
But thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Everyone who called and text on that topic are really
good discussion.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
It is three minutes to two.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Great to have your company has always new sport and
weather on its way. We'll catch you back here after that.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
afternoons news talks.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
They'd be very good afternoons here. Welcome back into the show.
Great to have your company as always. Lead's chat about
adult children living at home. The number of kiwi's living
with their parents into adulthood is on the rise. So
in the twenty twenty three census, more than two hundredenty
twenty to thirty four year olds reported living with their parents.
That was a thirty four percent increase on twenty thirteen. Jesus, well, yeah,

(40:28):
I mean some people may say that. Traditionally, if you're
thirty four and still living with your parents, then people
may say, hey, what have you done well?

Speaker 2 (40:36):
So two hundred thousand people twenty to thirty four, As
you say, so, that's a thirty four percent rise since
twenty thirteen. Now I don't actually mean loser. And in
this article talks about TV present to Haley Holt, she's
among those people she's moved in with the parents due
to financial pressures. Looks like she's moved in with her partner,
so that's more than one. Sounds like they've got a

(40:58):
place big enough for that.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
Yeah, lovely farm that her parents own, or his parents.
But it is increasingly common, and I've got to say
it is a financial strategy if your parents feel okay
with it, because if you can go and live with
the parents, it's happy families. It's like a nineteen fifties
TV sitcom and you don't have to pay rent. Then

(41:23):
that to win win, isn't it. I mean you were
saying before you would love your children to come back
at some stage and live with you. I would.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
But would you and your partner go and moving with
your parents if things go out? If I get my
way and you get fired from the show and you
don't have a job, would you move back in with
would you move in with her parents?

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Well, my mum would love it for about a month
before she'd say right time to move on, Tyler. You know,
it's been nice even year here, and I say that
with a lot of love. Mum just loves her own
house and fair enough.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
But yeah, Mave's parents.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
I think they would be okay with probably about the
same level of time, about a month to two. They've
just both happily retired and are very much enjoying the
retirement lifestyle. And I think for Maye's dad, Pete Pete.
If I'm wrong, give us a teach nineteen nine two,
but I think he's enjoying having the kids out of
the house.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
I think it's important for kids going out into the world,
so twenty to thirty four, you know, you just say
at the lower end of that, in your twenties, it's
important that kids know that they've got a backstop. If
you're a parent and you're lucky enough to give them
a safety net that if things go wrong they can
always come home, then they're going to maybe take the
risks that they need in life to achieve a lot.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
That is a very good point.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
So I think that's a good thing to do to
your parents, to your kids, say look, you can stay here.
I mean, you know, if they're saving up for a
house as well. I mean a whole lot of people
do that, a lot of people moving with their parents
when they're doing a renovation. And I know people that
have ended up in terrible situations living with their parents,
and it takes a while to get over the situation.

(42:54):
But personally, despite what I was saying before, I love
the idea of my kids coming back to live with me.
I mean, my eldest has just moved out, and I
don't know how I feel about it, But if he
wanted to move back in because he needed to, I'd
be like, hell yeah. In fact, I've said to him,
that room is sitting up there for you.

Speaker 11 (43:11):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I'm not going to turn it into an extra officer
or a spare room. That room is waiting for you
whenever you want, you know, get someone pregnant, come home,
move the whole family in there.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
So it's a beautiful thing and that, you know, that's
nice that he's got that in case he does get
someone pregnant. But I mean, I could see you as
it's all almost like a Yellowstone situation. You've talked about
buying a nice bit of farmland down in Cambridge, and
then you've got generations of heaths just living in the
same little plot of land.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
I mean, the fact that this seems weird is a
very change into modern humanity. I mean, I think for
all of history, we've lived as family groups and it
kind of makes absolute sense. I mean the other way
as parents moving in with kids. Yeah, I mean e
one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Are your parents that
have moved back in with your kids or you kids
that have moved back in your parents. We want to
hear both sides of that, but it seems to make

(43:58):
a lot of sense to me that the grandparents look
after the kids while the parents are out working.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Yeah, and a point I didn't raise before with maarents.
So a couple of her sisters lived with Maid's parents
for some time because they were making the shift over
to Australia. So that's fair enough. They were there for
a couple of months. But one thing her mum really
can't handle very well is her first grandchild lives in Australia.

(44:24):
So I'm sure she would dearly love the older daughter
and her husband to be and the child to live
with them because she deeply misses spending time with the
grandchild over in Australia. So can you hear from you
on this one? I had one hundred eighty ten eighty.
They used to call it boomerang kids where they go
away for a bit, then they come back and live
for a period of time, then go away and come back.

(44:44):
Are you into the boomerang children? If they are your children?
Do you love it when they come back? Is there
kind of a time period when you want them to
go out and go and live by themselves again?

Speaker 5 (44:54):
On eighty ten eighty and.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
I want to hear stories of it going wrong. Yeah,
I really want to hear stories of it going wrong.
The Stexa says, I agree with Matt. Anyone over twenty
one living with their parents is a total loser. How lame? Yeah,
but you see text. I was joking and you're serious,
So that makes you a bad person.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
He treat you there.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
It is eleven past two.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Your home of afternoon talk Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty you talk, said.

Speaker 7 (45:23):
Be.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
Good afternoon. We're talking about adult children moving back and
with the appearance. If that's you, we want to hear
from you. Oh, eight hundred and eighty t and eighty.
And if you're a parent who has been in the
situation where your adult children have come home, did you
love it?

Speaker 5 (45:37):
Did you hate it?

Speaker 2 (45:38):
I just had a moment and I've got an Apple
Watch as well. But you know when I was going up,
the future was people answering phone calls on their phone
and Heather Duplessy Allen was just in the studio with us.
We're having a bit of a gossip about some stuff,
and then a phone call comes through and she just
answers it on her phone.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
It was like the Jetsums, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
It was like the Osborne Book of the Future. People
might remember that gen X's remember the Osborne Book of
the Future. But it just felt so cool that you
just answered it was quite a b on a very
smooth Yeah, it was very cool. You were out at eighteen,
but you're back at twenty eight.

Speaker 19 (46:12):
Yeah, get a guys, I was you use the term
boomerang before? I'm like, if you threw a boomerang and
then it broke on return because since I've moved back
in at twenty eight, I realized my parents have avocados.

Speaker 7 (46:23):
Have you heard of avocados? If it had them in
a decade, it's amazing, great thing.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
Yeah, I remember those things.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah, yeah, how many avocados have They got a lot
of avocados.

Speaker 19 (46:33):
Oh well, she'll pick them up on the side of
the road, you know, when she sees them on sale.
But even I'm not affording that. I'm a financially irresponsible
person in my late twenties as well. I've kind of
spended all my money the last decade funding a hobby
of mine.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
What's it? What's the hobby, Sean?

Speaker 4 (46:49):
The hobby is.

Speaker 19 (46:51):
Working towards a sub pass stand up comedy show that's
in the New Zealand Comedy Festival the next four.

Speaker 7 (46:56):
Nights, and no one's buying tickets.

Speaker 19 (46:57):
So I'll be honest with you, I am calling your
show to subtly promote this comedy show tonight at the
Q Theater.

Speaker 7 (47:02):
Seller this is brilliant.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Yeah, but you are living at home with your parents.
That it's true as well.

Speaker 7 (47:09):
Oh that part is absolutely true. But okay they's been embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Well then then it fits and that's fine. Just quickly
before we can continue plug the show.

Speaker 19 (47:18):
Oh yeah, nine point thirty tonight tomorrow night Friday Saturday
at the cellar Q Theater in Auckland.

Speaker 7 (47:24):
It's called Digital I My a DJ Sir shorn Hill
comedy on.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Google Company and is a good Are you good to?

Speaker 17 (47:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (47:30):
It's mostly about me eating my parents avocados. To be honest,
you've got most of the content right there, Matt, So
you it's not worth you coming probably or anyone listening now,
But tell your friends.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
A lot of avocado. That's good, so, Sean, a lot
of avocado.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
So you wouldn't be able to follow your dream of comedy,
of becoming a comedy comedian if you didn't move in
with your parents. And do you think it's realistic? Do
you think stand up comedy is going to one day
get you out of your parents' house?

Speaker 7 (47:56):
Oh? That is yet to be seen.

Speaker 19 (47:59):
I definitely think I couldn't pursue it without the help
of my parents and being able to move back into
my childhood bedroom.

Speaker 7 (48:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
And do they keep your bedroom the same as it
was when you were a child, when you were eighteen?

Speaker 20 (48:11):
Oh?

Speaker 19 (48:11):
I know it's now also a gym slash offers that
brings in there that I don't want to ask too
much about.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
If I'm honest with you're a good strategy.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
But I think that's a good thing, right if you
can if parents are a launching pad. So if are
you working another job at all or are you just
full time stand up comedy?

Speaker 19 (48:29):
Sean, I do work another job as well as well
as doing stand up just to pay the bells?

Speaker 2 (48:36):
How much? How much work is being a stand up
comedian in terms of hours? So if you're running a
full time nine to five Monday to Friday job, are
you still capable of being a stand up comedian or
is it just the workload of being a stand up comedian?
It's too large to do both things and you know,
pay your own way out in the world and be
a stand up comedian.

Speaker 19 (48:56):
Oh, the workload is definitely not too large. You can
give a couple of spots a week. I'm sure you
through stand up, didn't you.

Speaker 21 (49:02):
Matt.

Speaker 7 (49:02):
You do open my quite as much as you can.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
I still do, and look I make more money from
them than I do from this job. But but but
you've got to write the stuff, right, Yeah, you've got
to write this stuff. So it's not just see this
is this is the thing I think with bands as well.
So bands, you know, you go, oh, you're getting paid
this much for your hour long set or hour and
a half seat or whatever for a band. Nah, you've

(49:26):
got to practice, You've got to write the songs. There's
a lot that goes into it, Sean, you know, it's not.
It's not just getting up there and improvising, is it.
You've got to carefully put together, carefully structure you set.
It's it's a it's a labor, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (49:42):
Exactly?

Speaker 19 (49:42):
You've got to take time out of your day in
the middle of the afternoon to call news Talk ZB
under the guise of being on their show to promote
your comedy, shown that people will buy Attackers. There's a
lot of work that goes into it outside.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
A lot of hard work.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
And Sean, we've got a bunch of calls backed up here.
But I'm making you work for this plake, you see,
because because I want to teach you a lesson about
hard work. And we could have just let you have
that plague and get it out there to the world.
But but we've made you work hard. We need something too, Sean.
We've absolutely pushed you about your life.

Speaker 7 (50:13):
Yeah, one appreciate My parents will love it as well.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
Yeah. One more question for you, Sean. Have you've got
a partner?

Speaker 19 (50:18):
You got a wife, not a wife, but I do
have a partner. I'm waiting for her to drop the knee, right, Okay,
get no, fair enough?

Speaker 2 (50:25):
And is she in there? With your parents.

Speaker 19 (50:28):
No, she's not, but she'll swing pass on occasion, sneaking
through the back door.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
Really, and so no sleepovers, she doesn't take advantage of
their avocado situation.

Speaker 7 (50:36):
Oh yep, just sleepover. But she's gone before breakfast, you know,
just to polite.

Speaker 19 (50:40):
Yeah, polite and exactly I'm not paying ramp but neither
she so.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
And final question, Sean, because you've really earned your plague
here and we'll give you another plug at the end,
but you've really earned it, Sean. Final question, how does
it feel when your parents go Sean do the dishes?
Or Sean tied to your room as a twenty eight
year old as opposed to a you know when you
were twelve.

Speaker 7 (51:04):
Well, i'll tell you what. It's immediate flashbacks.

Speaker 19 (51:06):
It's more depressing being to stop watching cartoons and eating
corn flakes and do my chores as an almost thirty
year old than it was that I was fourteen.

Speaker 7 (51:14):
That would hurt, But ye know that the conversation kind
of repeats itself.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Still, Yeah, yeah, so you're throwing ten TI's occasionally.

Speaker 7 (51:23):
I try not to. I'm human.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
All right, Okay, we'll let you go and one will
plug for your show. This Sean.

Speaker 19 (51:29):
Thank you guys. It's called did you Know I'm a DJ?
Shaorn Hill Comedy on Google. It's in Auckland the next
four nights. Thanks guys, the b Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Sean.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Let's try and get Sean out of his parents' computer knock.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
It sounds like he needs it, you know, and he's
got to buy it. And avocados at the stage show.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
You cool, Yeah, very bad. But you know, despite the
comedy and the you know, and and he's joking around,
he has gone back in his parents with his parents
to follow his dreams and some some sometimes that's what
it takes.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
And it sounds like a very nice life for Sewan. Cornflakes,
cartoons and avocados. I mean, maybe I'll move back in
with my mum. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is number to call if you've had the kids move
back in with you. How are you finding it? Love
to hear from you. It's twenty one past two.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons, call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
Good afternoon, twenty three pass two. We're talking about adult
children moving back home with mum and dad.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
It is on the rise.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
According to the twenty twenty three Census, more than two
hundred twenty to thirty four year olds reported living with
their parents. That is a thirty four percent increase from
twenty thirty.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Why is this is this? Is this a stunning rebuke
of our economy when that many people can't make it
in the world on their own, or is it a
stunning rebuke of people not making good decisions in their life?
Or is it just awesome and multi generational living is
the way it should always be? It Certing was that
way for a long time. This Texter disagrees. My son

(53:01):
asked to move home. He's twenty seven. He wanted to
return and study, wanted to leave his job. My husband
and I decided, no, tough love, you trained for your
first career, stick with it. My husband was in the
same job for forty four years, just lazy, not going
to enable him. And we have five rooms in the
house and just me and my husband living there.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Ooh, that is that's a harsh lisson to say, sorry,
four spare rooms.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Yeah, no room for their son because he wants to
retrain for another career. That's not like he wants to
come home and just on a drinking capacity. He wants
to come home and retrain for another career. But no,
tough love, you train for your first career. Stick with it,
my husband. But see that's the thing. People aren't in

(53:44):
jobs for the same job for forty four years anymore.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Well, no handouts for their boy, you know. The parents
are said, well, you know, once you got out of
at eighteen, you're on your own son.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
So I don't know. I'd be interesting to know how
old these parents are and whether their twenty seven year
old son continues to ring them and stay in their lives.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
There is that as well.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call len you this afternoon.

Speaker 22 (54:10):
Good thanks.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Now you have had a son who has moved back home,
or indeed it was a situation where you built him
a tiny home on your property.

Speaker 22 (54:21):
Yes, he separated sadly, and so he had nowhere to
go because he had two big dogs, and of course
nobody will rent anybody with.

Speaker 6 (54:36):
Dog.

Speaker 22 (54:37):
And he pretty much gave everything through his each partner
because of his little boy. And so we built him
a tiny house here. And yeah, he's sheep were really well.

Speaker 11 (54:58):
It was.

Speaker 22 (55:00):
Very hard from fresh start. But yeah, he's now uh
back on his feet and doing really really well.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Now did you say that you actually built a place
for him to live in your on your property?

Speaker 22 (55:21):
Yes, he has page respect since ye.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Can you describe the proper the the the tiny house
you described it on the property that you bought him?
Has have got rooms and ship bathrooms.

Speaker 22 (55:34):
And kitchens pass come home?

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Yeah, and he have.

Speaker 22 (55:45):
We have quite a big properly and I'm unable to
work any longer because I have a license. You must
well say ill us. So yeah, to have him come
well has been wonderful because we get to have our

(56:06):
little grandson in the holiday. Oh well, yeah, and he
is very good. He doesn't he's not one to tell
us how all of our lives. And one thing that
other guy needs to realize is that the adults and
you have to keep your tongue firmly between your teeth.

(56:29):
I believe, I mean adults. So you can't just be
telling them, you know, pick up you.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
So you don't go over there. You don't go over
to the tiny house and tell him to do the dishes.

Speaker 22 (56:47):
No, no, he wrings the cups and over here to
come comes from there, has a cup of tea with
me on a Saturday morning.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
And that's a great part of it, Lynn, because you know,
obviously for him, he would have potentially liked things to
turn out a better and it sounds like he's had
a little bit of bad luck. But from a fair
many perspective, you are getting to spend time with him
that you otherwise wouldn't have got to spend with them
and your grandson.

Speaker 22 (57:15):
Yeah, last week I had a bit of a house
year and so I plannicked to weep it and so
I sent my message and my wishes.

Speaker 20 (57:30):
For my.

Speaker 22 (57:33):
And the poor guy must think, oh god, she's made Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
Sorry you go, just sorry, just jump my question. That muster,
obviously on the back of a separation, would have been
quite a tough time for him. I imagine that would
have helped. Have you guys around and you know, building
this this this tiny home for him, that would have
helped with us bouncing back on his feet.

Speaker 22 (58:00):
Yeah, and you also had he was lucky enough Stal
Spots let him set up what do you call it, another.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
I like another branch.

Speaker 22 (58:17):
Yeah, of the company that he worked for down on Wellington.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Well, thank you so much for you call on or
learn all the best for the future. I really appreciate
you your time.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Can you hear your thoughts on this and your stories?
If you've had the kids come back home in adulthood
to live with you, really, can you hear from you
on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and vice versa.
If you've gone to live back home with the parents,
out of it go.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Pauline says that couple who won't let their son come
home so he can retrain it would all come back
to bite them in the ass when they get older
and need his help with every day living. How miserly
of them. I can't believe parents would do that, but
they think the tough love. He's trained for one course, Pauline,
and now he wants to train for another. They needs

(59:02):
to stay in the first course.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
These are no nonsense people. They've said, hey, you've spent
all that money or been trained up on what you're doing.
No turning back, you do that or nothing, Pauline. They've
only got four spare rooms in their house, tight quarters.
There's no way their twenty seven year old son can
come home. It has banged on to thirty oh one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the numberical.

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Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Thank you, Rayleen. And we're talking about adult children moving
back home. It is becoming increasingly common. In twenty twenty three,
it was estimated more than twenty twenty to thirty four
year olds lived at home with their appearance.

Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
That was an.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Increase of thirty four percent from twenty thirteen. And there
is you know a lot of the reasons put down
to that from these adult children that have gone back home,
saying it is expensive to live in the world at
the moment, and by moving in with mum and dad,
one they enjoy it, but also it helps with the costs.
But I think a big part of it is it
is quite often a nice life living at home with
mum and dad as and you get beautiful food. Sometimes

(01:01:14):
they help with the laundry.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
The responsibilities are less. I've got another theory on this
as well, is because I'm an awesome dad and my
kids love me. We've got the same interests, We're into
similar things. Yeah, and look, my dad was awesome, but
we're very different. By the time I moved out, you know,
he was a big fan of listening to Perry Como records. Yep,
his favorite songs. My old man's a dustman. He wears
a dustman's hat, and I write a song. I wanted

(01:01:38):
to listen to Metallica. But but me and my sons,
I think there's a less of a generational divide. I
think and parents have become more casual, and so the
kids moving into the house, they kind of their lives
aren't quite as different, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
Yeah, the interests are a bit more aligned than they
used to be thirty years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Yeah, Like I'll head up to my kids round and
play PlayStation with them. Yeah, we'll share the same records.
You know, my sons are listening to the Strokes, and
I love the band of Strokes. You know, there's there's
similarities that they're Also, it's easy to go and play
golf with my son if he's at home, if he
ever moves back, because we can just leave from the
one place.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
You lovely go.

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
I imagine your children Lovely Girl as well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Absolutely this textas is my story. Daughter and her husband
moved in late twenty so he could retrain enjoyed the company.
He became Apprentice of the Year in his new career
now forty owns a big successful business. Always grateful for
our support and giving our greed kids a great life.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
You see, beautiful, that's a great text.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
See that is this winning, isn't it?

Speaker 17 (01:02:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
That is that is how it's done. John O. Welcome
to the show. You've moved in and out several times.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
Hey guy, are you very good? And you got sear
me a ka yeah, got you loud and clear. So
you living with your folks at the moment, Johnny.

Speaker 16 (01:02:57):
So I'm actually living with my girlfriend's parents at the
moment in Auckland. But from about the age of I
think sixteen, when I first doubt, all the way through
to twenty four, I moved in and out with my
parents purely because of the living environments that I was
getting put into and just the cost of everything sort

(01:03:18):
of going up. And you know, my parents just they
always always, always always said, look, come back if you
need to. There's always going to be a room. Therefore
you will help out room you need to. Of course,
you strow to pay rent and help out a around
the house. But having that sort of lifeline and having
that sort of spare room, that really helped me to
sort of get back to my bearings and get back
to my droundings and really set me back up and

(01:03:40):
put me back where I needed to be.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
But then you currently they see you up back where
you need to be, but now you're living with your expearents.

Speaker 9 (01:03:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:03:49):
So my partner and I were doing long distance for
three years, and what we said was we sort of
I was living in a small town for my whole
life twenty four years, and you know, we had this
spread opportunity and she had just finished her degree in Wellington,
so we had the great opportunity to sort of move
up to Auckland was her parents. And I just said, look,
I mean it's it's pretty much a no brainers still

(01:04:12):
the sort of the same. It's having money, and it's
living with really really nice people and are just super
lucky to sort of get another opportunity like this, and
I've sort of make the most of it while we
sort of can and save up for as you know,
just save as much money as we sort of can.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
At the same time, is there any tensions in the house.

Speaker 16 (01:04:30):
No, No, like we will get along really really well.
Like I'm as a pan of golf and we my
father and law was a plan of golf as well,
and we all sort of mingle around. You know, we
do do our own things, but it's the it's just
I guess, sharing the sharing the whole environment and making
sure that everyone's comfortable with what everyone's doing, and especially
just sharing the load and you know, taking taking there

(01:04:51):
of everyone and making sure everything.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Comes so you feel comfortable because you know, you're still
staying at someone's house. So yeah, you know, if you're
sitting in the lounge watching sport when someone else comes
and you know, they get the rights to what's actually on.
You know what I mean, You don't get, you don't
have you're not the complete master of your own domain

(01:05:13):
as it were.

Speaker 16 (01:05:14):
Johnno, Yeah, well, like I have, we sort of have
our own sort of area of the house, but we
all sort of share every room equally as Myra. But
like we all get we all get together and we
all watch movies, we all have together. We all share
the stories of the day, and we all came out
on the weekends and we go to you know, we
do a lot of stuff together. And that's really what
sort of makes us quite a good little unit is

(01:05:36):
because we can share all this time together and we
can talk about all this sort of thing, but there's
no hostage. There's no sort of like, oh, you know,
one persons in the room, I have to be out
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Yeah, it might.

Speaker 16 (01:05:46):
It's been a little bit uncomfortable at the start, trying
to see where everyone needs to be and trying to
follow and follow and respect everyone's sort of routines and
stuff like that. But but now like now that I've
filled in over the last six months, it's just fantastic.
I don't regret the move, and I definitely don't regret
good situation.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
That's the whole situation. How do I put this? So
you move in and you're with someone's daughter and you're
you're in a relationship. Young man, John, how how was
how was the vibes around that kind of activity while
you're in your partner's parents house? If you know what

(01:06:22):
I'm saying, John, Well.

Speaker 16 (01:06:25):
Look it's I guess that's just sort of something that
everyone doesn't really talk about. Probably what we've been We've
been dating at tennis for three years and that hasn't
been any discussing whatsoever. And we used to spend weekends
and awful, we used to spend weekends the way to
give in knowing all about it. It's just one of
those things that is going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
It doesn't come on, it doesn't. It doesn't come up
at the dinner table.

Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
You don't need to clear the air on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Hey, yeah, John, and how old are you again? Sorry?

Speaker 16 (01:06:53):
I just turned twenty five, So you're twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
I mean that's young that, you know. How do you
think about thirty and then forty still living with parents?

Speaker 16 (01:07:04):
I would definitely probably hold off on you know, I
would even start looking at get my own place to out. Really,
I've wanted a house I was younger house for me,
just spend it. It's my own space, and it's I'm
in charge of that sort of zone really at the
end of the day. But you've got to make you
just you just have to make the most of the opportunities.
Why you can't and while they're in front of you really,
But of course I'll be looking before you getting out

(01:07:26):
around about thirty. Who knows what is just going to
hold with his talks of us going overseas in the
next three years, and hey, we could get somewhere out
the sea, but for right now, it's just as what
it is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
Yeah, do you have to change your lifestyle a little bit?

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
John?

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
I imagine in that situation as a twenty five year old,
you might be wanting to go out until the wee
hours of the morning and then crawling back to your
girlfriend's parents place. So you might have to change that
behavior a little bit.

Speaker 16 (01:07:49):
Look, there has been some changes, but it's all really
for the good at the end of the day. And
I'm really open to what everyone needs to do. So,
I mean, I'm a mechanic, So I get out on
the first one of Believe in the morning. I started
seven thirty in the morning, and then I needed to
get home around it up for us about six thirty
because I go to the gym, up the work, finishing
up four and then have it for all the terrible traffic.

(01:08:09):
It's just pretty much a nightmare. But everyone's sort of
comes home around about five o'clock, seven o'clock, and then
we all sort of just blowsy onto our own thing wherever. Result.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Oh good on you, John, great, great, And I think
continue the policy of not bringing up the amorous activities
that you're experiencing with the daughter at the dinner table.

Speaker 10 (01:08:27):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
I think, just keep that one to yourself and then
they're smart.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
Yeah, unless someone else raises it, don't say anything, John,
It's a good strategy. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Yeah, it is nineteen to two.
Back for you.

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
Surely you listening to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons,
News dogs'v News Dogs.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
He'd be it is sixteen to three and we're talking
about adult children moving back with their parents.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Afternoon Matt and Tyler. I've lived with my in laws
three times over a twenty year period. The first time
with no kids for a year, second with three for
eighteen months, Third with four kids for two years, all
while we were selling then building houses. It was great
and really good for the kids, but any longer than
eighteen months, the wife was wanting to kill her mother. Wow,
that's one thing, moving in with parents with four kids,

(01:09:20):
but you know parents, and look, my kids even had
kids yet. But I imagine i'd want to I mean
lots of as much time as I possibly could with
my grandkids. Yeah, they when they come along. But it's
definitely something that's happening, isn't it.

Speaker 17 (01:09:35):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
More than two hundred thousand people aged twenty to thirty
four lived with their parents in twenty twenty three, or
thirty four percent rise since twenty and thirteen, according to
this article in The Herald, and Hailey Holt has moved
back in with her parents due to financial concerns.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
Crazy times, Haley, hold of all people. But as you say,
you know Telly alfter, Telly none other. As you say,
the Eastern philosophy of families, kind of living in the
same house or the same piece of land, is something
that we don't embrace here in New Zealand, the and
other western countries.

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
That is a beautiful part of it right there.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
As I hope you'll be a grandparent one day, maybe
one day soon, that that beautiful thing of it's a
wind for the child that has the baby because then
you can babysit, and a good thing for you because
you're spending time with a freendchimes.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
You say Eastern, But my peasant ancestors growing in Ireland, yep,
they probably had all the family in one room and
the pigs and the sheep. Yeah, had night and the chickens.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
It was tough times back there. There wasn't it, Paul,
You want your kids to come back.

Speaker 7 (01:10:39):
No.

Speaker 21 (01:10:40):
I experienced them coming back to girls coming back. One
was twenty three and one was twenty five. But the
funny thing was we had a big family home and
I kind of me and my wife sold it because
she was sick of cleaning the double storied house and
nobody helped. And so we saw them. I said, right,
we'll get a small place so they can't move back. Well,

(01:11:06):
how wrong was I? The younger one came back. The
younger one came back, and she did come back a
bit broken from our relationship, so we were there to
help her. But she slept on the couch for three
months while I not youther. Liked Lynn a sleepout out
the back for her, and once I'd not get together,

(01:11:26):
she could move into that. And really it was just amazing, Matt.
I absolutely embrace what you want to do with your kids.
It was a fantastic time. Their mates came around, the
parties were in our place. We were able to were
able to kind of you know, there were young adults
experiencing life like we did when we were there their age,

(01:11:47):
and it was just fun. It was to be involved
with their lives. I just looked back on an absolute fond.
They were with us for about three years until one
the younger one picked up her life and got a
new boyfriend and went off and did her oe.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
It was was it an interesting situation because you'd had
them living at home and that sort of a parenting situation.
You're disciplining them, you're you're you know, setting them up
to be adults. But when they come back as adults,
is that they're more like friends? Would that be be
accurate to say you're not doing you're not doing the
parenting side of it anymore.

Speaker 21 (01:12:23):
No, that's right, they're they're friends there, they're friends, and
then we get to know their friends and and we
had a nice comment come back to us. The younger
one said, you know, all their mates loved coming around
to our place because we're so as you say, friends,
and we were friendly and we had this open kind
of policy. We didn't you know, they were young adults

(01:12:44):
with their own ideas, you know, and thoughts and how
they do things, and we never stepped in and say, oh,
you should do it.

Speaker 14 (01:12:50):
Like this.

Speaker 21 (01:12:50):
So you know, we weren't overpowering parents. We just we
had that open home policy. And I mean it was
you know, my father, two daughters.

Speaker 15 (01:13:00):
You know these men are coming home.

Speaker 21 (01:13:02):
You know I didn't say an.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Yeah, yeah. I mean you have to repress some natural
instincts to you know, really lay into them, make them
feel small. Hey, thank you so much for your call, Paul.
You sound like a great dude.

Speaker 21 (01:13:20):
YEA, love you love your show. I just love that
ben to you give mister Hoskin a Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
We've let him be for the last wee while we
need to get stuck back.

Speaker 21 (01:13:33):
I think I think if you come laugh at yourself,
and I think he can so I think I'm sure
he doesn't mind.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Good on your Paul, Thanks for you, Thanks for your call.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
You're a good man.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Okay, I'm gonnaver read this text out. Hey, lads, girlfriend's
dad heard us doing some of the things that you
were talking about. Matt, he was not happy. He put
a hole in the jib, letting us know that he
could hear what was going on. He then made me
repair the patch.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
That is some bonding, Ollie. That is a hell of
a situation to be and I mean, I suppose for you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
That's an awkward situation.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty, ten eighty If you.

Speaker 5 (01:14:11):
Like Ollie love to hear your stories as well. It
is ten to three.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons New
Stalk Z.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
EDB New Stalks EDB, and we're talking about adult kids
coming back home to live with their parents, our.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
And new experiences. Move back in with your dad at
twenty five and now in law's at thirty three.

Speaker 10 (01:14:36):
Good, Hey, guys, how are you doing? That's right?

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
How's it going good?

Speaker 10 (01:14:40):
Thank you? Yeah, both of those experiences were for different reasons.
I guess one just newly married and didn't know where
we wanted to live and decided to move in with
my dad for a few weeks after our honeymoon and
ended up saying for seven months because it all went
really smoothly and it was obviously a good way to
save money and just kind of take it easy for it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Imagine it's smoother when you move back into your home
with your dad than it is moving into the home
of your partner.

Speaker 10 (01:15:08):
That it's right, Yeah, say that probably took more of
a toll on my wife, I guess, getting to get
used to living with my dad than it was for me.
As you say, it was really much natural to me
other than having my wife there. So yeah, she did
very well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Yeah. I always think of the movie Meet the Parents
and how the daughter and that you know, Robert and
Hero's daughter is just so terrible and setting up her
not looking after her. The ben still a character. Yeah,
gay lord, they don't. She doesn't help them through that
situation at all. There's all the things that they do

(01:15:44):
in this family, and and and there's a way that
you can ease them in, or you can just revert
to how you behave in your family and leave leave
that person hanging out. Do you know what I'm saying, Aaron,
you live that you can leave your partner hanging out
to dry unless you help them through that situation with
the family.

Speaker 10 (01:16:03):
I do, and I think my wife would probably agree.
I did a little bit more of that. But on
the other side, it's the hand where my wife was
probably taking the female role of the household and trying
to keep us both in line a bit more with
my mum not being around. But I think I'm very
grateful as I came back a little bit later on
that my in laws were nothing like Meet the Fockers.

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
And along with.

Speaker 10 (01:16:26):
My father and land mother in law. So complication with
that one was the fact that we were moving back
in a couple months before having our firstborn baby, so
I bought a big dynamic change to the whole household
being empty nestors almost themselves now having a newborn in
the house. But yeah, again it didn't wasn't initially planned

(01:16:49):
for very long, but lasted eighteen months. And yeah, fantastic
experience to share that kind of newborn stage with the
first time grandparents and they have the flexibility of.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
A lot of bit.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Yeah, great for them to get that connection so early
on with the grandchild. One of the things because quite
awkward when you're round it. And this has been my
experiences when partners of mine have been quite short with
their parents and they'll have an argument and they'll go
back and forth, and you're there and it's outside of
social norms. But within a family, it's sometimes fine to

(01:17:23):
talk quite nastily and full on with your parents and
back and forth and you're just sitting there, absolutely don't
know where to put your hands, where to lock, what
what to do?

Speaker 10 (01:17:36):
Well, we just had to make sure that the grandparents
of the previous generation didn't try and introduce smacking.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
And yeah, exactly, especially straight after birth. Aaron. So you
are now in there with your in laws at thirty
three and what's the plan? Have you got pains?

Speaker 10 (01:17:59):
We've now got another newborn. So we moved out a
little while ago with the byself throughout the last eight
months yep, and returned to Auckland and nearby part with
a little bit of healthy distance. I think beneficial both
to my wife having another newborn to have her own nest,
but also to the grandparents now with this remed bunches
toddler and a newborn might.

Speaker 11 (01:18:18):
Be too much.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Oh good on you, Aaron, and good luck with that
rambunctious toddler.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
Great col Just on the being in a situation where
the family dynamics are a bit of an argument with
your partner at their parents' place, very difficult on whose
side you take, because if you take your partner's side,
then you're in trouble with the in laws. But if
you take the law's side, you're in trouble with your partner.

Speaker 5 (01:18:40):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
It's a tightrope. It's a tyrope to talk that one. Right,
a couple of texts to the news.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Thank you, Matt and Tyler. Matt says he will be
with us for life. In fact, he loves a rather
quirky old house so much he wants to buy the
other children out when we go, which we have given
him a blessing to do.

Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
There you go, nice, fantastic, right, great discussion, Thank you
very much. New Sport and weather on its way.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Great you company, you're on you home stateful and enter
Teening Talk. It's Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Sebby afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show. Sex
past three Now, just before we move on, Ray was
hanging on and we didn't have a time to get
to but he's ticked through.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Yeah, this is an interesting situation. We're talking about people
moving back in with their parents or parents moving back
in with the kids. I'm forty seven, have a place
with mum, spend two nights a week with her, resk
the time with my wife. It's great and gives my
wife a break from me. Mum likes the company looks
after our dog always says yummy, home foot coot, home
cooked food. I feel slow, so lucky. It's a great situation, Ray,

(01:19:47):
that is very interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:19:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
So it's spent two nights a week with mum for
the food and the company, and it gives you a
break from your wife.

Speaker 5 (01:19:54):
It's lovely, isn't it. That is that's a fine strategy.

Speaker 17 (01:19:57):
Ray?

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Is there lovely for rad? I mean, I wonder what
has wife goes. He's such a mummy's boy. He has
to go home for the fule of nights. Ye, he
needs a couple of nights with his mummy. Yeah no,
but I'm sure it is wonderful situation. Ray seems happy
with it, and Ray's mum's happy with it. So who
are you to judge? Rum Springer was the word we
were looking for. So that is when amish they reach

(01:20:18):
a certain age and they have a Is it a
couple of years?

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
Well, I thought it was a year. But the documentary
I was thinking of about rum Springer and thank you
to that text was called Devil's Playground where they leave four.
I thought it was a year and they can do
whatever they want to do in society.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
So it's around sixteen. Yeah, so Rumspringer is also spelled
as a writer pressage during adolescence where they leave I
believe it's for two years, is it? And then most
of them come back. I had a friend who lived
in Rochester, New York, and he said that the rum
Springer kids were out of control at bars. Yeah, because

(01:20:57):
they hadn't experienced much in life, so they'd go absolutely crazy.
They'd try everything, and then they go, screw the real world,
I'm going home.

Speaker 5 (01:21:05):
There's something nice about that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
There's a length of run Springer, veryous, depending on individual
circumstances and community norms, but can be between six months
and two years. So you haven't experienced anything in the
world and are much you're smart. They go, well, you know,
they'll need to see the world otherwise they've always wondered
about it. They go out and they're not prepared for it,
so it all blows up in their face and they
come back and they go, yeah, I'll be armiss for
the rest of my life.

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
This is wicked, so hell of a strategy, though, returned
to the Armiss Parador or the ride and the deep
End anyway, that's not what we're talking about. No, And
just to remind also Gareth abden Or. He's an employment
law specialist and director of Abdenaor Employment Law. He'll be
joining us in twenty five minutes. So if you've got
a question, a problem, an issue in your job, he
is the.

Speaker 5 (01:21:45):
Man to chet too.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
And if you're the boss and you've got a problem
with your workers, he's a good man to chet too too.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Yeah, I've only got a problem with my worker on
the other side of the desk that I might bring up.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
No, Gareth won't hit you with it, okay, So Tyler, Yes,
this is a good moment. This is a great moment.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
This is a big moment for you. It is so
I might have to bring this up with Gareth. But
there's been a topic that you've wanted to speak about
on the show for the last two days and we
haven't got to it because there are other topics that
I've brought have been so successful and popular. I've got
so many calls and text on them that we haven't
got to your one little topic that you really wanted
to do. And you're very excited about it, and you

(01:22:20):
keep putting it in because we have three topics that
all go out of day and you keep putting it
in and saying I want to talk about this boss
to me, and I keep saying, well, okay, you know,
because I do want to support you and I want
to give you opportunities to succeed. But if this topic
doesn't work today.

Speaker 5 (01:22:37):
Well this is going to be a home run.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Then that's three strikes and you're out and no more
topics from you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
I let those other strikes fe you through. I just
love living life on the ED. So this is going
to be an absolute home run. Leed's chats about dress codes.
So this says after Starbucks has sparked fury fury among gen.

Speaker 5 (01:22:55):
Z workers with the new change.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
So they're changing the uniform and it's fair to say
the change isn't massive. So the new change is a
black dress shoot or a tidy black T shirt and
then black, beige or blue shorts. But the gen Z
workers have absolutely freaked out, saying it and pings on

(01:23:18):
our right to freedom and to express ourselves. But to
take it a bit wider than that, dress codes in
the workplace, how important are they in a place like Starbucks?

Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
Critical?

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
Absolutely critical if you walk into a Starbucks, and arguably
if you walk into a Starbucks, then you're not doing
well at life if that's where you go for your coffee.
But you who's snooty? Wow, Okay, I'm coming in hot
on this one. But you want to see it's like
going to a McDonald's or any sort of franchise. You
want to see them in a uniform. There is something

(01:23:51):
nice about that. It presents a sense of professionalism, that
they are going to look after you, that they're going
to deliver what you order. There's a there's a conformity
to it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
So if people were in a Starbucks, you went into
a Starbucks and they weren't wearing the same polosume and
hat or whatever it says Starbucks what you'd feel uncomfortable
and you wouldn't enjoy the coffee as much if you
went into, say a subway, the same thing. Does it
really matter if people they're tidy, they're tidy.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
Well, maybe this is an extreme version of this, but
one of the employers, employees at Starbucks over in the
US that freaked out. A video went viral and this
barista is wearing a bandanna. Nothing' wrong with the bandanna,
but also a party hat on top of that. And
generally here's the quote, I don't understand how the dress
code is in good faith or letting us express ourselves.

Speaker 5 (01:24:39):
That is someone taking the absolute.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Well I would say to that person is I don't
think that work is a place where you nearly really
need to express yourself. But say, let's just say tidy
dress right for example.

Speaker 5 (01:24:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
So when you first tried to bring up this topic,
Tyler Yep on Monday, I believe it was. I was
saying that in the weekend, I'd been into the Flying
Out Record store on pitt Street and Auckland and the
guy behind the counter was dressed in cabin and tat's
dressed in a sort of basically a single it and yeah,
a lot of piercings. It looked good. And he was

(01:25:15):
dressed absolutely appropriately for a record store, yep. And he
was playing some horrific New Zealand punk music. And I
said to my son that was in the store with me,
boy a boy that's not going to help sales. And
then someone walked up and said what's this and bought it?
So I was wrong there, but I bought three records
and that was perfect, right.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
Yeah, he had the image for the place. Yeah, but
if you turn up to mechanics. Yeah, and he's wearing
a tuxedo. You're just going to turn around again and say, well,
what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
I disagree. If I went to a mechanics where everyone
wore a tuxedo, would be I'd go there all the time.
That fantastic I did. But say, for example, it was
an expensive Italian restaurant and everyone's dressed crap, then maybe
you'd question it, right because you think I'll we's something nice.
So I think it's just appropriate, right? But yeah, was it? Yeah?
Was it Edith Head that said you can have anything

(01:26:06):
you want in life if you dress for Yeah? Was
that Edith here? She was the costume designer one, And I.

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
Think that's that's the gist of it. I mean close
Maketh the man is the other one, right, Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Yeah, So you may dress whatever however you want in
a workplace, but that may not necessarily get you where
you want to go in the workplace. If you know
what I'm saying, you should probably if you're if you're
trying to get ahead in a law firm and you're
turning up in a speedo every day, then you're probably
not going to get very far.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
If you know what I'm saying, No, at least it's
casual Friday, and you might get away with that. But
like you, for example, when you first started here, Matte,
you turned up in flip flops and sometimes a singlet
and your head the shorts. And now look at you.
You are resplendent in a nice Marino V cut T shirt,
long sleeve T shirt that's on a T shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Mate, this is a this is a this is a
jumper like a juicy.

Speaker 4 (01:26:54):
Yet you've got some tidy jeans on, so that's arguable.
I mean, I mean jeans, jeans is taken or leave it,
and some tidy shoes. So you've changed, You've conformed.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
But Tyler, what you must understand is that that's the
change of seasons. It's not is not tend I'm not
moving towards formality. A change of seasons and what we're
doing here as an audio medium, so it doesn't really
matter what I wear.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
So in some ofer you're a bogan and an autumn
If if if an employer has a dress code uniform,
freaking wear it or get a job somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Yeah, I mean I would agree with that. I mean,
if there is a dress code, if you go to
get a job and they say, when you work at
Starbucks you wear this, then you wear that? Right, Yeah,
I mean that's that's that would seem fine. I mean
as I say, I mean, is it really? Do you
really need to show you flair at work?

Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
E one hundred eighty ten eighty? How important are dress
codes at your place of work? Glove to hear from you?
And if you want to send a teaching more than
welcome nine to two, nine and two like this one
from Craig Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
It's simple.

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
I pay your wages, you wear what I want you
to wear. Well, I don't know if you quite pay
my wages, but depending on what you want me to wear, Craig.

Speaker 5 (01:27:57):
I'll give it a go.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Yeah, what what does Craig want you to wear?

Speaker 23 (01:27:59):
Quarter?

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
Part three, Good afternoon. We're talking about dress codes at work?
Are they important? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty on
the back of Starbucks who made some minor change to
their uniform, but the younger workers have freaked out a bit.

Speaker 5 (01:28:11):
Mike, what do you what do you think?

Speaker 14 (01:28:14):
Yeah, Hi guys, Yeah, I think uniformity and the dress
code looks tidy professional. And then also when your boss
and the company you work for provided uniforms. Well that's
you know, it's free clothing unless we're in tearing your
own stuff and good, it's good. Can you envisage the

(01:28:35):
boss when you're working for I worked for a couple
of construction companies. You can envisage the boss sitting in
his office air condition and he's looking up, I need
new unifms, and so he's looking at the the closes,
he's looking at the logos and signatas and decides, well,
without thinking, I think the best thing here and what

(01:28:59):
looks the very best black shirts? Black shirts and black
t shirts. So you work in the middle of summer,
your in construction, you're outside and you're wearing black shirts
and you're sweating your guts out the sun's bending down
and heat wondering why productivity is dropped.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Yeah, that does make a lot of sense, does it.
I mean, did you feedback on that?

Speaker 14 (01:29:24):
No? No, I never wanted to offend my boss, but yeah, no,
when you're working outside in the middle of summer, in
the heat of the sun, black shirts are just the worst.
I mean, you want to go sky blue or light
green or I don't know, white, yess wore dirty. But yeah,
I always always got frustrated with that, and looking back,

(01:29:44):
I think it's funny. But yeah, no, yeah, I've always
thought that, Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
When and I don't know when it came in, I
think it was, you know, in the last of five
six years, the increase in health and safety and seeing
poor buggers like yourself and others who were decked out
in what looks like the most horrendous ppe gear but
it's full body and it looks incredibly hot and you're
out there in the middle of the summer having to
do this job sweat buckets.

Speaker 14 (01:30:09):
Yeah, that's right, and over and over in Queensland, the
council workers clearing motorway berms and mowing lawns and stuff.
By law they have to wear the long pants and
the long shirts and thirty five degree heat and it's
just a health and safety thing and those guys are suffering,
I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (01:30:29):
Yeah, terrible, it's terrible, Mike, Thank you very much and
all the beasts with that. Hopefully you get your boss
to change that.

Speaker 5 (01:30:37):
Thank you very much. O.

Speaker 4 (01:30:37):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
I'm a trade and I have all my guys dicked
out in the same outfits. It just looks very very professional. Yeah,
I like that.

Speaker 5 (01:30:46):
Well that's a good point.

Speaker 4 (01:30:46):
So trading turns up to your house, say you need
some plumbing done, and he turns up and he's got
a nice college shirt and it says the name of
the business on the shirt, versus some guy that just
turns up in a single. Who are you gonna go
with again the second time?

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:31:01):
Well the guy with the college shirt and you know,
I like that. Yeah, Ilice, it's a good lot.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
We should get there for the Matt and Tyler afternoons,
so you don't have to decide what you wear every day.
You just have the polo with the little embroidered patch
on it saying your name, so I don't forget what
your name is. And ZIBB on the other side, we
can just extend it to everybody. Was at BurgerKing recently
served by the biggest woman I've ever met who clothes
ruined the food for me.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
Okay, well, sorry, sorry to go to McDonald's next time's.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
There's a couple of issues that you're conflating there.

Speaker 4 (01:31:32):
Yeah, yeah, oh, here we go, Tyler. I'm not sure
there is an actual topic. Let's go back to talk
about the army. Yeah maybe one day, Ben, maybe one
day eighty Yeah, another course.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
As we were saying, for this was the topic that
Tyler wanted to talk about, the three strikes. If it
doesn't work, he's out for forgetting another topic across the line.
But so you know, if you think it's a good topic,
we'd like to hear from you as well. On nine
two nine two.

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
Yeah, they come. Fantastic topic. And it is twenty two
past three. Back in a month, Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Heathen Tayler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty on us talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
Afternoon, twenty four past three. We're talking about dress codes
at work? Are they imported in O eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
So Matt says the text you can wear chanels, et
cetera at work because no one can see you, But
what about all your workmates in the office by your
reckoning as long as the public can't see you, like
ninety percent of workforce, go for it. We are what
you want from Roscoe. Roscoe. And then he came back
and said, and while I was texting you, a cow
just shat all down my back, Roscoe.

Speaker 5 (01:32:35):
Sorry about the second part, Roscoe.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
I mean that's what happens. I mean that that is
absolutely true, isn't it? Because the way when when I lock,
the way I address may be offensive to the office workers.
I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
But that was done on purpose though, wasn't it When
you nationally came in here, you just kick the door down.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Now I want to make a statement.

Speaker 4 (01:32:54):
Yeah, I'm coming in and I don't care what you think.

Speaker 5 (01:32:56):
Well, then you changed.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Darcy wears a you know, matching pink outfit. Sometimes he'll
be in like a pink singleton hat.

Speaker 4 (01:33:02):
And in a throng yeah, and some jandles, sometimes a mullet, yeah,
sometimes not.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
Sometimes I wear a three piece suit to work as well. Yeah,
depending how I feel it.

Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
Yeah, those are weird days.

Speaker 4 (01:33:13):
Peter.

Speaker 13 (01:33:14):
You're a pilot, Yeah, so I can remember in New
Zealand the pilot strike and I was only about twentieth time.
I was buying people from Christa's Talkland and the people
had the smallest plane, cheapest plane, had sometimes the best uniform.
But when I was working with in Singapore, they had

(01:33:35):
one of the Limpool sevens in those days, going from
Los Angeles and their captain was ill, and they had
another captain going back home from holiday, and he took
over Musty Bear. And when he got back to Singapore,
the company gave him an extra two days holidays.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Why did they give him the two days holiday because
he worked?

Speaker 4 (01:33:59):
Oh right, yeah, a pilot and a pilot of Rusty.
I know, I don't that I need to see the
cap I need to see the smart dress to know
that I'm in good.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
I want to see the stripes, don't you.

Speaker 13 (01:34:10):
That's all I told him the summer. You just want
the songs and you know sure.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
Yeah, because if he rocks on board with a Hawaiian
shirt and then walks into the cock.

Speaker 5 (01:34:20):
But I'm thinking, what's going on here? This is not
good Peter. That's a good story. Thank you very much, mate.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
Okay, have a good afternoon. A couple of texts here.
The only uniform you need for the Mett and Tyler
show is a couple of blouses.

Speaker 5 (01:34:36):
Well, yeah, good too.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Oh yeah, a couple of big girls blousers fresh show.
Yeah yeah, I'd like that.

Speaker 5 (01:34:41):
Yeah, nothing wrong with quite comfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
So like that. My father always said, don't dress the
job you have, but for the job you want.

Speaker 5 (01:34:49):
Yeah, that's good advice.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Yeah right, okay, so.

Speaker 5 (01:34:54):
What are you projecting?

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
Well, I actually think that's a bit unfair. I think
I've dressed. I think I actually dress pretty nicely.

Speaker 5 (01:35:00):
Yeah, dress very smartly.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
This is a loath. This was a three hundred and
fifty dollars Marino jump on the four hundred and fifty bucks. Yeah,
that's that's the real deal, mate, I'm messing around. So
you know, just if you knew a little bit more
about you know, quality garment tree, then you wouldn't be
questioning what I'm wearing?

Speaker 4 (01:35:17):
Three fifty was that? How much has that come off?
Shrik the sheep himself or something? There's a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
It was with that shirt there? What's that is that?

Speaker 5 (01:35:25):
This is one from Connor.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
This would be worth approximately fifty five dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:35:31):
Yeah you can tell, can't you?

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
And it looks every one of those fifty five dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
Hey, guys, it's good if retail or service workers. We're
a uniform so that customers know who is staff if
they need assistance. Regards from Tracy is a great point.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Yeah. I mean I've got a bunch of Bunnings gear
and that I've been given over the years. And I
was in a Bunnings once just wearing my Bunnings T
shirt you were, and someone came up asked me, and
I forgot what I was wearing, and they asked me
for the aisle for something. I was like, oh, I
don't know, and I tried to answer, but I didn't
but didn't know. And then I thought, oh, right, I'm
wearing the Bunnings T shirts that it appears that I work here,

(01:36:06):
but I'm just wearing it because it's a fashionable T shirt.

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
Right, Very good chat, Thank you very much, and thank
you to everybody who takes through to say. It was
a fantastic topic, and Tyler, you need to take the
lead more often.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
You've just reviewed, You're reviewed it as a very good topic,
you know what, Tyler. I think it was a good topic. Yeah,
I think it was a good topic and I'm glad
we got to it after three days.

Speaker 4 (01:36:25):
Nothing wrong with a bunt, you know, get a few
strikes and then take a bunt and take a walk. Congratulations,
Good on you very much. It is twenty eight past three.
Gareth Abnor Abdnor coming up, and so now is your
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Speaker 4 (01:38:10):
Thank you, Raylen. Gareth Abdenaw is an employment workplace information
expert and director of abdenaor Employment Law. He joins us
once a month on ask the expert to answer your questions.
If you've got a problem in your workplace, or you're
the boss and you've got some issues with your employees,
here is the man to chat to. Gareth. Hello to you,
been a long time.

Speaker 23 (01:38:30):
Good day guys, It's great to be back.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've got
a question for Gareth, let's start with a text here.
I've been told I cannot smoke outside my workplace. It's
my lunch break. How can they tell me where and
where not to smoke? I get not smoking in the
bathroom and office, but outside. How much control do they
have on me?

Speaker 23 (01:38:51):
Well, that's a tricky one. And it's been a long
time since I've been asked a question about smoking. I've
thought everybody fake these days. Yeah, the the anti smoking
legislation sets out the requirements and powers. However, there is
also the ability for employers to give a reasonable instruction. Now,

(01:39:15):
one thing that occurs to me is it's really not
a great lock for the company or the business to
have the staff standing on the footpath directly outside smoking,
especially if they're blowing that secondhand smoke into customers' faces.
So it will really come down to what the business
is and exactly where this person is standing. But maybe

(01:39:39):
they should try and kick the s eggs.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
Yeah, good advice.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
So does your workplace own you on your because you're
not often for lunch breaks? You get half now, but
that's a period of time where you're not getting paid.
So do they own your behavior during that half hour?
If you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 23 (01:39:57):
Yeah, yeah, totally. And I guess it depends if you
can be identified as a staff member. If you if
you go across the road to the FOD court and
you're still wearing your uniform and you pick up a
ruckers growing a, you're going to you're going to be
in trouble.

Speaker 4 (01:40:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:40:17):
But if you're if you're dressed dressed in mufty and
no one knows where you work, and it's far more
difficult for an employer to be able to control you.

Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
Do they have to provide a space for smokers or vapors?
Is that part of legislation or that's just out of
the goodness of their heart. If they're a good worker,
they'll provide you a space.

Speaker 5 (01:40:36):
You can do that in your break.

Speaker 23 (01:40:38):
That is such a good question, Tyler. You know, it's
been so long since someone's asked me about smoking. I
do vaguely recall that a lot of businesses when this
first came in, had designated smoking spaces, but gosh, I
didn't even know that was really a thing anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:40:56):
You have to be money bags to smoke these days.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
And my take out a mortgage to the pack and
my previous job, we set up a bit of some
smoking bait. We put up a fake sign in front
of on a window saying smoking area, just to see
if there were any smokers.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
Of them.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
It was like the moths to a flame. There was
only three or four smokers within half an hour. Hey, Gareth, Hi, Gareth,
I have an employee who has requested a meeting regarding
two letters of concern which have been issued to them
in the last month. They've requested to bring to support
people with them. Is this normal to have two? Or
can I request they just bring one? I will only

(01:41:34):
have one support person with me myself.

Speaker 23 (01:41:38):
I've never been asked that question before. I don't know
why you would want to bring two support people when
if I was the employer in that case, I'd be
I'd be asking why and who these people are. There's
a lot of confusion out there between the difference. You know,
a support person is not a representative, and sometimes people

(01:42:02):
get confused on that, and so, yes, of course you
can bring a support person to a formal meeting, but
this sounds like they just want to have a chat. Well,
why do they need a support person? And who are
these support people? You know, I can see situations where
if you bring your work colleagues along that could really

(01:42:22):
create some issues. So yeah, when in doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
Ask Yeah, So the requested a meeting regarding two letters
of concern which had been issued to them. Yeah, so
it's a they are summoning the meeting, They're organizing the
meeting and then bringing to support people.

Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
Really weird. Isn't it spread as part of the meeting
and they just bring in some mates along the feet.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
It sounds it sounds a little bit like intimidation. Welcome
to the So, Sandra, you've got a question for Gareth?

Speaker 4 (01:42:53):
Yes, I do five.

Speaker 9 (01:42:55):
That's kind of two Christians. I was on sick leave
maybe three weeks ago and I messaged into my boss.
That was fine, But later in the day she sends
me a long text message asking me if I can
work extra hours going forward permanently, And it felt a
bit like harassment because there were probably three tecks that
day about several different things. And now I'm on acc

(01:43:19):
leave and whilst I've only been on it for a
week that she has messaged me through outlook my performance
review and that's up coming, and to look at the
documents regarding that, and I'm like, can I just be
left alone to be on leave or do I have
to respond to all.

Speaker 11 (01:43:37):
Of these requests?

Speaker 9 (01:43:39):
What is fare?

Speaker 11 (01:43:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:43:42):
And you know, when you're unwell, you want to be
focusing on your recovery, not not work stuff. While it's
not prohibited for an employer to contact an employee while
they're on sick leave, they need to act reasonably, and
it certainly doesn't sound like these things are urgent and

(01:44:03):
couldn't wait. There's nothing wrong with you asking your employee
to wait until you are fitting back to work, but
as always, I highly recommend that you do that in
a polite and professional way. If they don't listen to that,
then they may be giving you grounds for a grievance.

Speaker 9 (01:44:26):
Yes, that's fair enough. I just haven't responded to the
emails about.

Speaker 11 (01:44:30):
The format reviewers.

Speaker 9 (01:44:31):
That's say, Well, I'm not even a potage. But when
you're on sick leave and you're still getting pets, which
happens quite regularly I am on sick labor, I'll still
get texts from the manager, and I just.

Speaker 22 (01:44:42):
Think it's a little bit of a boundary violation.

Speaker 11 (01:44:45):
Really.

Speaker 9 (01:44:46):
It seems about strange.

Speaker 23 (01:44:48):
Yeah, And unfortunately, in this day and age, you know,
people are kind of expected to be available all of
the time, and that's not strictly legal. It would be
very difficult for your employer to take action against you
if you just ignored those messages unless it was something
urgent and really warranted and immediate response. I would certainly

(01:45:10):
advise an employer that it's not likely to be appropriate
to start renegotiating hours and things like that while someone's
on sick leave unless there's a really urgent reason. But
you know, people often forget good faith. There's a mutual obligation,
and you know, if you're not happy about this, raise

(01:45:31):
it in a constructive way and see how they respond.

Speaker 16 (01:45:36):
Okay, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:37):
Or the best Sandra, Hopefully that works out for you.
I mean, that is an interesting scenario. Text here, Gareth.
It says, Hi, I have an employee who's been on
ACC for over eight months. Now, can we simply let
them go with no repercussions?

Speaker 23 (01:45:54):
Anonymous No, I'm pretty straightforward answer there. Certainly, after someone's
been away from work on ACC for eight months, I
would definitely be engaging with them starting a formal comment
consultation process. But you can't just let them go. That
would be very high risk and almost inevitably lead to

(01:46:17):
a claim. But it would be very reasonable to start
consulting with them over when they're likely to be fit
to return to work, if there's going to be any
restrictions on them when they come back. Often employers leave
it far too long. One fish hook to keep in
mind for employers is that while someone's way on acc

(01:46:39):
they continue to accrue holiday pay entitlements. So the longer
you leave it, if they do end up going, you're
you're going to have to pay them more. So get
onto it, consult with them and get the information you
need to make a decision.

Speaker 5 (01:46:55):
Very good.

Speaker 4 (01:46:55):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you've got a question for Garethe's brilliant. He's
the man you need to chat to and you can
do so, but you've got to be fast. So oh
eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number to call.
We'll have to take a quick break and back more
of your questions for Gareth.

Speaker 5 (01:47:10):
It is nineteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:47:13):
Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.

Speaker 4 (01:47:20):
Said, be good afternoon. We are joined once again by
Gareth Abdenoor. He is an employment workplace an information expert
and the director of abdenaor Employment Law. He is brilliant.
If you've got an issue at work, he is the
man to chat to. And if you run a company
and you've got some questions about some behavior that your
employees are doing, he is the man you need to
chat to. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

(01:47:41):
the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
There's some confusing about the ACC question. Before I thought
if you had someone this, Texas says. I thought, if
you had someone on ACC in that position was vital
to your business, then you could make them redundant after
consulting them.

Speaker 23 (01:47:56):
Yeah, and the key part there matter is you have
to consult with them. You can't just you can't just
make someone redundant. And even if they're not a vital
part of your business, if you consult with them, and
it's not reasonable to keep that position open, especially in
situations where it's not clear if they are actually going

(01:48:18):
to be fit to return to work, then you might
be able to terminate due to medical incapacity or medical retirement.
So the texture is correct, but you have to go
through that consultation process.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
Hi, Gareth, there's a perception amongst my team that every
twelve months, almost today, they're entitled to a pay review.
Is this just a perception or is this an actual
legal obligation? Thanks very much, Mike.

Speaker 23 (01:48:43):
It really depends on what's in the employment agreement. Traditionally,
there was a clause that said, every twelve months, we
will give you a performance review and a pay review.
That's becoming a lot less common and certainly it's not
something I would recommend because you don't want to be
held to that cycle. It is good to have regular reviews,

(01:49:05):
but no, there's no requirement to give some one an
annual pay review unless it's in the employment agreement.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Very good, Mark, You have a contract question for Gareth.

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
Yeah, I just found o that if I resigned that
I have to I cannot work for some similar type
of company for six months they are read out of
it for another.

Speaker 23 (01:49:30):
Yeah, it really depends on what your job is and
the industry. That's a restraint of trade provision. Now for
that to be enforceable, it needs to be reasonable, and
that comes down to the particular circumstances of your case.
If you work in an industry where you have a
lot of contact with suppliers and customers, and you competing

(01:49:59):
within that six month period would be considered unfair competition,
then you may be stuck with that. Certainly something that
would be worth taking it vice on, Bob, because you
don't want to be twiddling your thumbs for six months,
that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
I can so like if it in the same because
there's only seven few companies that do what I do,
so I just want to fare around.

Speaker 19 (01:50:24):
It or not.

Speaker 23 (01:50:26):
Well, you know, depending on the advice you get and
your particular circumstances, it might not even be enforceable. Alternatively,
you might be able to negotiate something with your employer.
I've dealt with situations where people have agreed that they
won't go after certain clients or they they won't unfairly compete.

(01:50:47):
In situations like that, you may be able to come
up with another arrangement. But the first step is you
should get advice and find out if that restraint is
actually enforceable or not, because if it's not, then you
might be worrying about something that's not even a problem.

Speaker 16 (01:51:04):
So how do I find out who I can't hand.

Speaker 11 (01:51:08):
Yep?

Speaker 23 (01:51:08):
If you you could just contact the Law Society and
find someone who is an employment specialist and they'll be
able to help you.

Speaker 5 (01:51:19):
Good luck with that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:20):
Mark six months gare Gareth for a restrainted trade seems
quite high. Is at the upper limit? Can it be
more than six months? Or is that enthrined in legislation?

Speaker 23 (01:51:30):
Generally, the rule of thumb that we work on as
three months is likely considered a reasonable period, but in
some cases six months has been found to be reasonable,
and even twelve months. Right, But you're right, six months
is getting up there, and there needs to be particular
reasons why at such a long period.

Speaker 5 (01:51:52):
Yeah, very good.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
Gareth Ebnow is an employment, workplace and information expert and
director of Abnomore Employment Law. Oh wait, one hundred eighty
ten eighty if you've got a question for him, Richie,
you've got a question about benefits for union members.

Speaker 17 (01:52:07):
Yeah, well, I'm not an union member, but I wanted
to know if you're working in a workplace with an
union in it and they say it's up to you
whether you want to join or not, then they when
you don't join and they make rules or stuff for
you not to get such of money. Is that a

(01:52:28):
former bully.

Speaker 23 (01:52:31):
Yeah, it's it's quite unlikely that that would be considered bullying.
There are special rules that prevent benefits that the union
has negotiated from being passed on to non union members,
because otherwise why would anyone join the union, And that

(01:52:52):
situation may be perfectly acceptable. You know, of course, you
have the ability to try and negotiate better terms with
your employer if you're not a union member.

Speaker 5 (01:53:06):
Hopefully that helps, Bridgie.

Speaker 17 (01:53:08):
Yeah, but what's true stuff like equal pay for people?
How can it be equal pay if you're not in
an union.

Speaker 23 (01:53:19):
Yeah, that's a that's a complicated question and not something
that I can answer over the radio.

Speaker 4 (01:53:25):
Yeah, Richie, all the best, mates. Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you've
got a question for Gareth. Here is an employment Workplace
in Information expert and is taking your calls now is
your opportunity It is ten two four back for surely
Here on NEWSTALKSB.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 4 (01:53:51):
We're joined by Gareth Abdenor Employment Workplace and Information Expert
Taking your cause is also the director of Abdenor Employment Law.
Kevin Hello, met and Tyler hair game Mate. We've got
Gareth here standing by as well.

Speaker 24 (01:54:04):
Yep, I'm on the I'm I'm on the I'm on
the one minute pressure point. So yeah, how are you young, Garrett?

Speaker 23 (01:54:09):
I'm good, I'm good. How can I help?

Speaker 24 (01:54:12):
Hey, So I've got a scenario. So I've been farming
on this farm here for three years now and the
farm had sold in November last year. Through the time
of here, I've occurred a lot of annual leave, and
as of Christmas, I was irried about fifty one days
of legoing. Now, so I'm getting to a point where
I'm on the last day tomorrow because I'm seeing the
rest of May out with annual but I'm still coming

(01:54:33):
out with about twenty five days of annual now. Because
I'm on over seventy K bracket of tax, is there
going to be a secondary tax or just normal tax
on that annual leave to be paid out?

Speaker 11 (01:54:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:54:46):
My understanding is that when you owe that amount and
you're on that tax bracket, you're likely going to take
a big hit in tax payment on that payment, but
when it comes time to do your annual return, you're
likely to get some of that back. I want to

(01:55:07):
make it very clear though that I'm not an accountant
and I'm not a taxi expert, but usually when you
get those big final pay payouts, you do end up
paying more tax than you otherwise would, but you can
get it back later.

Speaker 5 (01:55:20):
Yeah, brilliant.

Speaker 4 (01:55:21):
Kevin all the best and Gareth thank you very much.
As always, another brilliant session and some fascinating questions, so
we will get you back in about a month's time.

Speaker 23 (01:55:30):
Fantastic, Thanks guys.

Speaker 4 (01:55:32):
That is Gareth Abdenor. He is an employment, workplace and
information expert director of Abdenor Employment Law. You can check
out his website Abdenorlaw dot Nz. And just a reminder,
the content of the segment is general in nature and
is not legal advice. Any information discussed here is not
intended to be a substitute for obtaining specific professional advice
and shouldn't be relied upon as such.

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