Full Show Podcast: 08 May 2025

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Hello you great, you see us. Welcome to mattin Tyler
Afternoons podcast number one hundred and twenty fourth Thursday, the
eighth of May. We pivot on the show. You'll hear
us tease what we're going to do, but we pivot
to whether it's cool or not to be taking pictures
of Mark A Lundy. And it's actually a really interesting
chat that that sort of sits well in the gray area,

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and of course, as you can imagine, it goes deep
into whether people think people think he's guilty or not.
He's definitely been found guilty in the court of law,
but some people have questions. So that was fantastic. And look,
I love the in depth look into how the new
Pope is being selected as well. So I think it
was a really interesting show. I think you're going to
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Absolutely. Yeah. The Pope chat Peter Linemen Lineum Professor Peter Linham,
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in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well, good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show. Great
to have your company as always on this Thursday afternoon,
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Thanks for tuning. I've got a great show for you today.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
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Speaker 3 (03:08):
Look if we're getting that, that's a great panel.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Looking forward to getting down there.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Absolutely, that'll be fantastic. Right on too. Today's show after
three o'clock going into the family business. So we saw
a story about Ronaldo's son. He has just joined Portugal's
under fifteen squad, following his very famous dad into the
world of professional soccer. It was a nice story and
we're sure Ronaldo's very proud of his boy, but we

(03:32):
want to take that a bit wider. Did you follow
your parents into that same career or indeed take over
the family business.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah. Are you a nepo baby? Yeah, it's the question,
or did you refuse to be a nepo baby? And
that's an unfair way to put it, but you know,
did you go into your dad's plumbing business? Did you
take over the family farm? Are you in a position
where you'd love your kids to take over but they
just won't And that is a tragedy. You know, there's

(04:00):
generations of people that work in running a business and
then gets to this current age and the kids. Gartner, Nah,
I don't want to do it. I'm going on my oe.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yep, it happens, and we want to hear from you.
That is after three o'clock. After two o'clock, the conclave
to find the next pope is underway. They didn't find
a pope today. It was black smoke out in the chimney.
But they'll be back into it tomorrow. But we want
to have a chat ahead of the new pope being elected?
What do you want out in new pope?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, Catholics, what do you want out of the pope? Everyone?
What do you want out of the new pape? How
important is the pope? In twenty twenty five where does
the pope sit in terms of world leaders in this
current age? And what are the smoke signals mean? Yeah,
we've there are a lot of questions about the conclave.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
We certainly do.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
And is it true that a woman purportedly attempted to
become a pope in eighteen fifty five? And think I
think the story is that Pope Joan she's snuck in
there eight fifty five and now they check.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's a great story.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I don't know. We'll we'll get to the bottom of that.
Because we're also going to have a chat to Peter Lynon.
He is a renowned religious experts, So we're going to
have a chat to them about that process after two o'clock.
Because right now, let's have a chat about a government
bill which would allow doc to issue permits for killing
protected wildlife when building roads or other infrastructure it's needed.
After some could fuffle with the Mount Messenger bypass project.

(05:23):
This was a six k new road in Tartanaki. It
involved two bridges in a two hundred and thirty five
meter tunnel, but like most infrastructure, the project encroached on
the territory of protected kiwi and bats and skinks, and
for years Dock issued permits that basically said construction companies
needed to try and capture and move the protected species,
but if they accidentally killed a skink or a kiwi

(05:46):
during that project, they would not be prosecuted. But that
was changed after a successful court challenge, so the Minister
now wants to try and revert it back.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
And the new lord would still require ecological offsets to
protect wildlife overall. But the question is how much do
we care about small bats and skinks and even kiwis.
Should we be more human first in our thinking a
road makes it better for the humans, shouldn't we just
go for it. I love a kiwi as much as
the next person, you know. I get very patriotic when

(06:16):
I see a kiwi. At the bottom of the Gondlers
and Queenstown we have to see some Keywis. Is a
fantastic set up there. It's infra red so they don't
know you're there, and you watch them running around and
they look like people whose pants are too long and
they're falling down at the back, and they're very very good.
I love a kiwi, but as a key we enough
to stop something that makes our country more productive, As
a more productive country will mean less suffering for actual humans.

(06:38):
Should we just be more human first in all our
decisions because moving on a few keywis doesn't matter. And maybe,
and I mean a wider question is what kind of
key we sticks around when a bunch of people turn
up with diggers. Yeah, I think the keys would be
out of there.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, if it knew what was good for it, it would
run for the hills once they saw the developers moving in.
But it is a fair question that this has long
been a battle for a lot of developers, not just
for roads, but for private infrastructure as well. And as
you mentioned, Matt, there are still parts of that law
that require them to try and do their best to
remove those species elsewhere or protect them at test they can,

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because this comes down to the accidental killing of some
of these skinks and bats and on the odd occasion kiwi.
And to try and build any sort of infrastructure in
New Zealand, there's always that risk, always that little bit
of a risk that you're going to take out what
is a protected specie and a lot of people freak
out over that. Should we be really freaking out that much?

(07:37):
Over over that situation when it means a new road
that is going to boost productivity in this case for
the likes of Tartanuki.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, is the bettering The lives of tens of thousands
of humans are worth the loss of the life of
one or.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Two kiwis love to hear from you on this one.
O eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you're in the game as well, Really ten
to get your thoughts on it. If you've had a
development stop because of this particular bill, give us a buds. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is twelve past one.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
The big stories, big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 3 (08:14):
That'd be very good afternoon to you. We're talking about
major infrastructure projects in New Zealand. There was a court
challenge to a project in Tartanaki, the Mount Messenger Bypass.
As it stood, the status quo was that the NZTA
would issue permits to developers that they would make the
best efforts to remove protected wildlife that encroached on where

(08:38):
the development was happening. But if they accidentally killed a
kiwi or a protected gecko, skank, long tailed bat, they
wouldn't be prosecuted. That was challenging the court, And now
developers can if they do that.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, And I'm just asking the question, should we be
more human focused in this discussion? It seems crazy in
some ways that you would even consider stopping a project
because it's going to kill some animals that aren't humans. Yeah,
isn't that kind of crazy? This text would not agree
with me. Nope, nope, Not a single kiwi should be displaced,

(09:09):
let alone killed for a motorway. Why are we still
building roads so people can burn fossil fuels anyway? Actually
pretty disgusted the government would not move roads for our fauna.
This is crazy.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Wow, I mean, so to go on that rationale from
that texter, you'd spend another couple of billion dollars to
have the road in an area which is going to
be incredibly hard to build. Yeah, for the sake of
a handful of kiwi. Well, it's a hell of an
argument to make.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Well, there's a lot of people that are anti road altogether.
They just think they should be road at all. I'm
reading Steven Joyce's book At the Moment, it's fantastic read actually,
and Jesus talks about you know, when you're trying to
do infrastructure in New Zealand, and that was a week
while ago. But there are some people whose response to
you wanting to build roads as no roads.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah. Well, the more I look into this, you know,
the argument to me is the Wildlife Protection Act is
pretty full on in terms of putting wildlife as the priority.
And we're very proud of our native wildlife here in
New Zealand and our fauna and florna love them. But

(10:15):
do we put that do we go to extreme in
favor of wildlife over progress for our society? And that
is back to your argument humans over.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Because I mean, I love a kiwi, but if it
stops our country more productive as a more productive country
will mean less suffering for actual humans. Simon your thoughts on.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
This, yeah, well, basically I'm on in two camps because
we can't decimate the animals and it comes down to
human nature and we all work for accountants in a
spreadsheet and not to sacrifice animals purely for profit.

Speaker 6 (10:56):
We've got to have a look at is there a
better way we can be doing this, and what's proportionate.
So if you're doing say one hundred million dollar project,
and to save so species in that area is going
to add another forty million on it, then that's out
of proportion. But it's going to cost a one point

(11:17):
five million out of that one hundred dollars million dollar project,
and that's quite proportionate. We've got to make those reasonable efforts.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
But would you think that potentially that one point five
million dollars could do a lot if it's coming out
of the public purse to help humans? Because there are
siddinly areas where one point five million would do a lot.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
It kurt, But the ninety eight point five million is
doing a hell of a lot to help human So
there in lies the argument. You've got to make some effort.
You can't just run the bulldozer through and think screw it.
But the Greenees can't demand that we dedicate a third
of the budget towards purely conservationianism.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Simon, do you think there's a hierarchy of animals that
need to be saved? Would you put the keiwi because
it's so important to us as a nation above say
a gecko. Are those kind of considerations important to you.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Well, this is where they have to have a study,
and they're like figures that I threw out there, say
one point five million. I say the first three hundred
thousand of it is dedicated to a study of how
many numbers of these animals do we have in the country.
We're down to our last kiwi.

Speaker 6 (12:32):
Then you can't kill the last kwa in the country.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
You know, Yeah, we're we're down to our last twenty.
It's proportionate. It's about a legacy.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, well I guess, I guess. But something what they're
not saying is actually killing them. It's being not liable
for accidentally killing them. And the lords still require ecological
offsets to protect the wildlife overall, so it might involve
moving the kiwis rather than killing them. And we're just
talking about kiwis because as an example, of course, yeah, of.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
Course they can't give one hundred percent guarantee.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
If they're running a border four days and through some land.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
But let's take it the terminus reasonable steps.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
So if you got someone with a bulldozer coming out
and stomp it on top of the keywi, and he's
on video, then on their head be it.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, it's not a good look.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
If there's someone going around kicking kiwis like football's, then
you know we're going to come after them. But if
they've made reasonable steps to have a bit of a
look and do everything you know reasonable and potentially rehouse
the kiwis where they can, then you're okay with it.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
Yeah, all thinking about how does that? What's the optics
on the six o'clock news when that story comes out
and you get some doo gooder, they get a video
footageure a picture of the dead kiwi on the floor.
It doesn't relate any part of the story that shows
the three million dollars in the thirty five other kiwis

(13:57):
that they saved. They've basically shown an obscure view on
the news.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
You know, Yeah, thank you for you call Simon. I
guess it depends what government's in currently whether that would
make it on the six o'clock news or not.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yes, very true, but yeah, when it came to the key,
it wouldn't be a good look. But that's where why
it's an emotional argument that if it were some sort
of obscure worm, would we really care as much? You know,
it's an emotional argument. The Keywi is a cute, fluffy
battler in life, and we love it. It's our national icon.
You know, we backed the keyw But I remember those

(14:27):
snails on the West coast when they wanted to build
that mine. And some people freaked out over the snails,
but most New Zealanders say, wow, do we need them?

Speaker 2 (14:35):
You think it's panda thinking, don't you. Basically you know
the world wwf as We was putting pictures of pandas
up and people want to help save pandas because they're cute,
but they couldn't give a crap about the naked mole rat.

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Speaker 3 (16:33):
Very good afternoon to you, and we're asking the question
humans versus wildlife on the back of a bill that
the Minister for Conservation wants to push through that would
mean developers wouldn't be prosecuted if they accidentally kill it
the protected wildlife like keiwe we've used Kiwi as an example,
but like Kiwi longtail, bat, skinks. The list goes on.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
The Cody snail.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yep, the Cody snail.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Interesting beast, the Cody snail. It's accountable and also I
think it can change sex as I will.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
But anyway, you know a lot about the Cody snail.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah, I do. That's by the by the giant Cody
snail is quite something. I've got a question right on it. Look,
I'll postulate this question in just a minute, but first
let's go to Mia. How are you your thoughts on this.

Speaker 9 (17:20):
I'm probably on the side that I think everything should
be done to protect the environment where our animals and
flora exists, because until they go go one, we may
not know what they actually did to help our environment.

(17:40):
But just as a side thought, in the UK with motorways,
do you know they build subway tunnels under the motorway
so badges and hedgehops and things can move from field
to field without roofs have been run over.

Speaker 10 (17:58):
So there's a thought.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
It's pretty cute.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
That is very cute.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
It's a cute I know.

Speaker 9 (18:04):
How long it would take the code of snail to
go under a.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Tunnel sweeteat little window so people can watch them just
go about their daily business.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
It's convincing a snail to use the tunnel and not
go on the road. It's the problem.

Speaker 9 (18:17):
Maybe it's accidental year then no, But I think we
should do everything we can to.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
I guess you got ask the question though with snails
are they just idiots? Though? Because I came home from
in the middle of the night once and I was
walking down my driveway and the dark, so I not
wait anyone up and it was crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch,
and I was walking. I was like, what am I
standing on? So I've got my phone out and turned
down and it's hor horrible when you realize that. You go,
I've been crunching snails all and I'm like, you idiot snails.

(18:47):
Why are there two hundred snails decided to be in
my driveway when I'm coming home late after a few
drinks or my mates.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
It's not like they can get out of the way fast.
You know, You've got to give them a lot of
time to try and try and run away.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
But my question there if you take it to a
small economy of my family. If I decided then to
build a tunnel under that driveway and there's a result
I couldn't pay to feed my kids, then then I'm
going to choose the kids over the snails every day.
And I guess that's what I'm saying when it comes
to infrastructure in New Zealand, We've got to choose the
humans over the snails every time.

Speaker 9 (19:20):
Well yeah, sometimes just quickly.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Mia mentioned in the UK and you would have seen
this Clarkson's farm where Jeremy wanted to do some He
wanted to take out some of the animals on his
farm because there was a high risk that they would
give his cattle tuberculosis. But then, of course they were
protected species in the UK, and anything that he tried

(19:48):
to do, even if it was accidental, he would be
heavily prosecuted. So he was bugging. He pretty much just
had to fence that off. They were groundhogs, weren't they.
I think it was groundhogs.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
I thought they were badges.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Maybe they're badges. Yeah, I think there was a few species.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Great show season fours out very.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Soon, But doesn't that go too far that so because
there's some badges there, there's a possibility you lose use
your whole herd because they get to berculosis. But you
can't do anything.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, badges are pretty cool though, I've got to say,
but they're much bigger than I thought badges.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, sizable animal.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
The six says it's bloody ludicrous what they have and
are spending trying to find a find and save a
few gecko et cetera. At Mount Messenger, Like Shane Jones said,
shall we ban the wild pegs and birds from eating them? Too.
The keys aren't going to hang around once they hear
a bulldoz of rumbling through. That's from Roscoe. Yeah yeah,
I mean we're using key as an example, and they
have been used in this particular situation as well. I mean,

(20:41):
there are some kiwis in the area, but I mean,
what kind of kiwi doesn't run off? Yeah, I mean,
good luck trying to find a kiwi. I spent most
of my life hoping to see a kiwi and then
I've only ever seen I've heard them. I've heard them
in the white takarties, but I've never seen one in
the wild. I've seen them in captivity. Yeah, but a
keyw is going to boost, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (20:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, they don't hang around and that circumstance. Oh wait
one hundred and eighty ten eighty love to hear your
thoughts on this one. Humans over wildlife when it comes
to infrastructure and progress, where do you sit on it? It
is bang on hup us one.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
And here's my question. There's two buttons. The red button
kills a human New Zealander you've never met.

Speaker 12 (21:19):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
The blue button kills every tarka hay that still lives.
Oh far out the final Tarka Hay in this country?
What button do you press? The red button kills New
Zealander you've never met, just going route their business. The
blue button kills every single Tarka Hay. Which button do
you press?

Speaker 3 (21:38):
That's a tough one. I really like.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
I think it gets to the root of the question.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Here can I find any information out about this human
just just just a few sort of bullet points about
what they do? You don't know them, nothing, no age, nothing, No.
That's a tough one. It's not overthink about that. Over
the headlines.

Speaker 13 (21:57):
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twenty twenty four. You can see the full analysis at
endsid Premium. Now back to Matteith and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Thank you very much, ray Lean, and we're talking about
protected wildlife versus development and progress. Where do you sit
on it? And it's not quite their black and white.
The situation as it stands is the Minister of Conservation
wants to return to the status quo where developers, if
they accidentally killed and protective species wouldn't be prosecuted, but
they had to make every effort to try and move

(23:32):
those species on.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
And the question we're asking is should we be human
first in our thinking? More human first? If a road
makes it better for humans, shouldn't we just go for it? Now?
I asked the hypothetical the thought experiment two buttons. Red
button kills in New Zealander. Yep, you've never met. Blue
button kills all five hundred of the remaining taka hay

(23:56):
in the country. What button do you press? And the
responses on nine two nine two concern me. I've got
to say, let's read them out. Kill the human, Smash
the red button hard, that's the one that kills human.
Kill the human, keep the taker hay. If it's a
New Zealander, the person is probably a loser. Kill them. Well,
you could argue that the tacker Haes and New Zealander
as well. Blue every day one for blue. That's one

(24:19):
for blue. Red for sure. That's liz one death through
an entire species. This is a no brainer. Mash the
red button. There's some anti human feeling out there. Red
button without question or hesitation. Can I press it multiple times?
Assignment anti and you have a one person in your family?

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Doc, Yeah, you're going.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
This is a crass and irresponsible questions. Is the person? Yeah,
well we'll concede that. Can I only press the red
button once? Kill the human? So that's that's interesting response.
This is a new low talking about buttons that kill.
People thought this was an adult show, not a seven
year old show. Well you're wrong. It's a show for

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seven year olds. Yeah, you're absolutely wrong.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
You're seven and you're listening. This is a show for
you as well as everybody else.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
I wonder if that red and tied to that texture
might change my opinion opinion on it.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty, love to hear
your thoughts on it.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
What I don't understand about this? Okay, So I'm going
to quote the neuroscience Aberget Nuski. You know him, Nuskar,
Aberget Nuskar. He's a familiar, He's a philosopher. And I'm
pretty sure I'm getting this right. He said, among eight
point seven million species, only one has become smart enough
to ponder the meaning of life, so that one human

(25:37):
can ponder the meaning of life. Those five hundred Tarka
Hay can't write yep, taker Hey, can't paint the Sistine Chapel, right,
I can't write poetry, yep, you know.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
But the beautiful looking birds and I'm sure they do something,
you know, like all.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Right, Scott, your thoughts on this? Not necessarily the thought experiment,
but they're wider question about infrastructure and and our wildlife.

Speaker 8 (26:03):
There's a there's a couple of things I'll take on
this one. Obviously, sweep the wherever you're going to take
out bush, for example, if there is to be native
birds or snails, whatever it might be, give it a
sweep first, you know, before obviously everyone turns up. You
have your minders turn up, and you know, while the

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boys are doing their work, to penalize them while they're
working for hitting something or whatever it might be is
you know, that's not on They're just doing their job
at the end of the day. And if a minder
or the sweepers didn't see it the first time, then
so be it. You know, it's just a colatteral damage
if you like. We cannot stop progress. If we do

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our country as a nation, we'll go backwards. We will
not be able to keep up with the rest of
the world. And we want tourists to come to this country.
We want about to get them around the country safely
and effectively, and also ourselves and also commerce. Now we
need to build more roads, for example, to attach ourselves
to the National Highway running down the middle of the country.

(27:07):
It needs to be four lane and go over to Todonger.
I believe that State hi Wan also needs to be
moved off off Desert Road and down State HIWII four
which has far less closures, and we'll have less less
impact on the country for freight and transport if we
went over that way and had a four lane and
that ran all the way down to Wellington. Now also in.

Speaker 14 (27:29):
That chat, you know, you say, oh you count can we.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Afford all this well?

Speaker 8 (27:34):
I believe the shared model that National have come up
with is actually a feasible one where we have the
overseas companies come in and invest obviously, or you toll it.
That's another discussion to be had on top of this one,
but they're all sort of intolinked.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
I believe the country.

Speaker 8 (27:50):
Needs to look forward and it needs to move fast,
and to do this we need a model that works
for everyone. And if those little snails happen to be
in the way while the excavator is going through, that's unlucky.
But if they got swept first, then fair enough will
move them. They'll build new homes, but trust me, they'll adapt.

(28:14):
And I believe the way that roads are built now
with the way that they construct them and also have
you know take care of Fishy Mountain Messenger. The work
that's been done to look after the environment in that
area is really really quite amazing. The crane sorry if
you like, the flying fox bringing all the machinery into

(28:36):
the bush, you know, so they have less impact on
the environment is really quite amazing. Guys, have a bit
of a look on the NSTA website and the flyover.
It's pretty impressive stuff. And that road will save well
one will save lives for putting that new road in.
It's extremely hard for the trucks to get up and
around and through the tunnel. We have to stop to

(28:58):
let them go right round through the tunnel because they
take both sides of the road. It's extremely dangerous. So
it needs to happen. We need to move for what
is a country. And if some snails get in the way,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Well what about so how far up though, like you know,
snails maybe, but doesn't matter what particular species it is.
If it's displacing, let's just say all the tarka Hae
and New zealandks I've been using it as example, live
in that area and they all have to be displaced.
Is there is there a level that you would that
you would balance it on.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
I'm sure there are other places that they could like.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, well, I mean that the law. The law would
still require ecological offsets to protect the wildlife overall. But
I guess the thing is, and even if we have
these these models where with foreign investment coming and there's
still we still have to pay back the debt on it.
And so when you spend more for a piece of infrastructure,
and you accept this infrastructure will increase productivity and therefore

(29:55):
more money coming in. But also if you spend more
on the infrastructure, that money has to come from somewhere,
and we only have a limit amount of money. So
you could argue that directly by taking into account overly
tak into account the needs of a kiwi. You're you
might not have that money even if it's twenty million
dollars that you could spend with farmac or you could

(30:18):
spend on surgery, because we don't we are borrowing money
right now exactly. So it is a it is a
real humans versus wildlife situation going on. Would you agree,
Scott absolutely?

Speaker 5 (30:31):
And you raise very good points there. You scratch ahead
at some.

Speaker 8 (30:34):
Of the things the government spend money on when you think,
well that was just why did we do that? You know,
feasibility studies are a great one. But yeah, I believe
you're right.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
I think you can't go silly on it.

Speaker 8 (30:46):
I believe you you really do need to just go
in there, give it a sweep. Okay, Yet we've got
seven you know, kiwi and some bat Okay, we're going
to relocate those. Let's do that, move them on and
then just get into it right. And if mind if
a guy standing there, you know, with a high design
and a helmet sees a kiwi there, Scott work moved
the kiwi and finding her home for it.

Speaker 15 (31:06):
If it gets run over, that's a shame.

Speaker 16 (31:09):
You know.

Speaker 8 (31:10):
Oh man, you watch tex machines go nuts. But you
know what I mean, we cannot keep stopping because you're
dead right. It's just going to cost a fortune and
you're going to You're not going.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
To do it.

Speaker 17 (31:21):
You're not going to complete it's spend too much money
on snails.

Speaker 8 (31:24):
About that one of the South Iowand guys where they
went and pulled the snails out and then they put
them in the chiller and then had it too cold
and killed them all.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, that was I hadn't look on. Some of the
stands are doing well now that they're okay a new home,
but yeah, those ones and the Freds was not a
good look.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Well.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
One of the great cock ups of all time is
what island was that? Someone will tell me where they
were trying to cull the pool kick or to you know,
make it easier for the taker Hay to live. And
they went over there and got confused because tacker Hay
and Porkicko looked very similar. Basically, take looks like a fatter,
poor kicko and they shot twenty five and there's only

(32:00):
five hundred. Hey, but Scott, this is an interesting question.
So you talk about infrastructure, But I was down in
Littleton for the sale GP when tire day was held
up because someone record they'd seen a Hect's dolphin in
the area. What about when it comes to something like recreation.
I mean, you could argue that the SALGP was bringing
a lot of money into Littleton and they're never going

(32:22):
back there again. But what about that when it becomes
more of a sporting fixture than an ongoing infrastructure situation.

Speaker 8 (32:31):
Yeah, that's an interesting one you raise, and that's probably
a whole another topic, isn't it, because it becomes more
of a you know, we would like to have versus
with the country needs situation. I mean, that's no disrespect
to the little littleton businesses, because you know they would
have loved it, especially after COVID and everything. That would
have been a really good cash injection. So it's an
interesting one, you raise. It didn't need a balancing point.

(32:54):
I think versus that sort of situation, I would have
thought you could have almost put like a nesting down
like they have in the Gold Coast to keep the
sharks away from you swimming, you know, so you know,
that would have probably been a better option. I just
think they probably needed to investigate how they could have
done that better. You know.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Their point was that it never hit any wildlife either,
and they don't think it was even a thing that
would happen. But anyway, there was interesting balances between what
the wildlife is, how much damage it does, and what
the particular themes, well, what the particular thing you're wanting
to do. But yeah, hey, thank you so much for
you call, Scott. I really appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Now, thank you very much, Scott. Now after a play
some messages I just want to run through. There was
an algorithm that the Department of Conservation put together in
twenty eighteen. So they put together a priority list of
one hundred and fifty species that were going to try
and save. These were endangered species. And I want to
run through some of those species and you can tell
me whether they put that on the list or not. Okay,

(33:52):
how far are the less on priorities they put it?

Speaker 2 (33:55):
This person says, people say there's other place for takahe
to go, but the territorial boo kick ors. You see
them continue to stay around building sites and roads. They
get killed by crossing the roads. Not advocating for them,
just stating a fact for people. Scott, Yeah, I mean
there's annoying things about animals like that you're trying to
save them. I mean, God, anyone that's been involved in
trying to refloat a whale. Yeah, you know, I'm trying

(34:16):
to save you. Mate.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
They don't do themselves any favor.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
And then you're beaching again.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yeah, come on, mate, we're trying to help you, help
us survive for goodness sake, it help help us, help you,
Tucker Exactly. It is fourteen to two.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Said, be very good afternoon to you. So you found
that story. But the accidental shooting of protected tarker.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Ha, Yeah, this was back in twenty fifteen. Critically engaged
in taker hair shot in case of mistaken identity, members
of the doorst deer Stalker's Association have shot four critically
engaged tacker hair while carrying out a cul of pul
kick or on Motutapu Island and the Hodaki Golf The
Deaf set forth the Contpartment of Conversation Conservation to put

(35:02):
an immediate holt to coloring operations near the threatened species.
Look in the dear Stalker's Association's defense that were going
over there to kill the pul kick or to help
the Tarka hay. They look so similar, very similar coloring,
very similar coloringavage. The Tarka hay is a lot fatter.
The island is a protected pest three a haven for

(35:22):
indagered bird species, and twenty of the critically indangered birds
were relocated to the island. So that boy, that would
have been a what a cock up so you go
tobarrassing and you've killed one percent of the entire population
of targai.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yeah, trying to save them, but from fifty meters away,
you're right, I mean it's pretty hard to tell the difference. Hey, now,
I mentioned quickly before. So in twenty seventeen, the Department
of Conservation had to figure out what indagered species to
save because there's only so much to go around. Okay,
So they had an algorithm and they tried to figure
out what species they were going to try and save

(35:56):
based on a raft of criteria. So I'm going to
run through some of those species for you and you
tell me whether you think they saved them or not.
The Chatham oyster catcher, only found in the Chatham Islands,
only around three hundred birds remained. Made it or didn't
make it? Make it that made it?

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, three hundred.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Coupe's grass moth one of New Zealand's roughly fourteen hundred
endemic moth species. It is only found in sand dunes
in a spit in Canterbury. Made it or made it?

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Didn't make it?

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Being on now, it didn't like the Kupe's moth.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
When I was growing up, my sister told me that
moths bite you. She was lying, but it freaked me
out and made me run down the hall terrified as
a child. So I've never liked moths.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah, okay, that's fair enough. Then Hamilton's frog and endemic
frog once widespread, but now most of the global population
are done for and only a few hundred frogs remain
in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, they're global. Then her kires one, rocky outcrog on
an island and cook straight. So did they keep the frog?

Speaker 3 (36:49):
What do you reckon? Would you keep the Hamilton's frog?

Speaker 11 (36:51):
Nah?

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Let someone else sort it out overseas?

Speaker 3 (36:53):
All right, you don't think it, but should have made it. Yeah,
it didn't make it. They don't make it. Didn't care
about the Hamilton's frog, but there so you got to
make choices about what you actually care about. Well, you
can't save everything.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, well we do that with humans, don't we look
at farmac? Very true, Tony, welcome to are your thoughts
on this?

Speaker 11 (37:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (37:10):
Well I have to start by saying that I love roads.
I want more roads. I can't get up and down
the country to see gigs without roads, and the better
they are, the faster I can go. So having said that,
I did a quick google and key we are endangered.
So on the one hand, we've got dock and forest

(37:32):
and bird spending shiploads what's considerable amounts of money allow
that to save them and to breed them in captivity.
And then on the other hand, we've got these other books.
They're going to potentially just bowl a whole lot. I
kind of like the Corner a few back who said,
you know, get people into sweep the area of first

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and I think that's forest.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
And bird that's all part of it. So that's definitely
going to happen. And basically this law is trying to
protect people to say if you accidentally kill them, So
they're not going to just bowl through. They're going to
get people to go in there and require ecological offsets
to protect the wildlife overall. So they will do that, Tony.
There's no one, no one suggesting that they don't go
through and try and try and do their best to

(38:16):
move anything on that they can.

Speaker 18 (38:19):
Yeah, but you know that old story. How do you
know politician's lying is mouth's moving.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
So how many key we do you think there are
in New Zealand? How many key in total do you think,
Tony just.

Speaker 18 (38:31):
To guess, oh, I guess five hundred, six hundred. I
don't really know.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
There are currently sixty.

Speaker 18 (38:42):
Are going to tell me soth sixty.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Eight thousand kiwis we have in New Zealand.

Speaker 18 (38:45):
Okay, Well, anyway, I still don't want to lose any
of them. But having said that, I want to keep
my roads and I'm meant to so I'm not one
of these let's build no more roads and what not.
That green aspect that's stopped me at all. But I
do want to Well, I can't balance the fact that

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we've got to go departments speeding money to save and
breed them and then we're going to It just doesn't
make sense.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yeah, yeah, well, thank if you called Tony yep, very good.
I mean that's almost brought us full circles. Tony likes Rhodes,
but he likes Kiwi as well, and that's the tough
choice sometimes.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Sixty eight thousand Kiwi. That's that's pretty good. That is
a lot. Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
A couple couple women go astray the end of the world. Uh,
seven to one, seven to two, I should say back
very shortly here on NEWSTALKSB.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty Tight. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons
News TALKSB, News.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Talk zed B.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Welcome back into the program and we have been chatting
about our protected wildlife over roads and a very very
good discussion. So thank you to everybody who phoned and
text a couple of texts to see us up to
the news.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
As David Anaer said, if you want to save an animal,
start eating it and make it taste it will never
die out. Bring a KFK do you think so?

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Dave and Edinburgh say that I'd give it a try
if there was enough.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
I'll tell you what. Sheep are becoming endangered in their
country at the.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Moment they are.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Numbers are dropping fast, yeah, but they're not on demic,
are they No?

Speaker 3 (40:23):
They taste good, right, Thank you very much, New Sport
and weather coming up. Great to have your company as
always listening to Matt and Tyler. Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Talking with you all. Afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams Afternoons Used Talks.

Speaker 11 (40:48):
It be.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Afternoon to you. Welcome back. Into the show seven past
to just before we move on. I am shocked, shocked
at the number of texts coming through advocating for the
farm in you Kiwi, hundreds of texts. Outrageous.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Oh well, give them a taste of Kiwi.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
That's why they pay you the big bucks. Mate, are
very good. Right, let's have a chat about the Pope.
The conclave is underway as we speak, very mysterious, very cool.
As we learnt a little bit earlier today, they haven't
elected a new pope yet. Black smoke means no pope
and white smoke means pope. Yeah, white, white smoke means pope.
That isn't easy.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah, black smoke, no Pope, white smoke Pope. Yeah, so
still black smoke. So they're in the Sistine Chapel right now.
The conclave voting.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Only have one per day. I believe one voting session
per day. It took two days to elect Pope Francis
last time they had to do this thirteen years ago.
But we want to take the conversation a little bit
wider than who you think the next Pope is going
to be. I don't actually know any of the names
that are up for contention. We will go through that
as the hour continues. But what do you want to

(41:54):
see in the Pope and how important is the pope
and modern times?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah? How as where does the Pope sit in terms
of world leaders in twenty twenty five? If you're Catholic,
what do you want to see from this new pope?
If you're not Catholic, what do you want to see
from this new pope? Because the Pope Hope, it does
have a huge influence on the world.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
I mean last time accounted, there was over a billion
Catholics in the world. Yeah, and the Pope speaks to
us directly to them.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Huge influence. Yeah, absolutely, I'm gonna say I quite like
Pope Francis. I thought Pope Francis was a good pope.
Initially he was controversial, where as many of the popes are,
But I thought he was a very good pope. Yeah,
but it will be interesting to see which way they go.
I mean they went for someone who was considered a
little bit more liberal with Pope Francis the one the
pope before him, Pope Benedict, certainly wasn't liberal. He was

(42:40):
very conservative.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah, I'm more of a pope pious. The ninth the
longest papacy. He defined the immaculate conception and people infallibility.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
That's a good legacy. How long was he pope for?
If he was the longest pope, how long was he
there for?

Speaker 2 (42:54):
He was there for a while. Yeah, I guess you
got to say Saint Peter was the most legit pope,
wasn't he the first one? Because he actually used to
power around with Jesus himself the og. Yes, it's hard
to beat the og. It's hard to be better than
Saint Peter. But you know, it is twenty twenty five
and things have changed, and there's been you know, various
controversies in the Catholic Church and various rubbing up against

(43:15):
different different ideas of the day. So, yeah, where do
you want to see the pope go?

Speaker 3 (43:21):
And how do you feel about the pope in twenty
twenty five? Love to hear your thoughts on our eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty and coming up, we're going
to have a chat worth Professor Peter Linham. He is
a professor of religious history and very knowledgeable about the
process with the conclave and what it takes to select
a new pope. And we'll ask him of course, on
his thoughts about how the pope is viewed in modern times.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
This person says the pope has absolutely no influence on
the world anymore. I don't think that's true. It's at
least had the influence enough for us to be talking
about it. And as a Catholic, I want a more
conservative pope. There's this one I found Francis was too liberal.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
I've got a statue of Benedict at my house, do
you Yeah, just a little one? Okay, Yeah, where do
you put that? That is in the kitchen with the
whiskey glasses. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call keen to hear your thoughts about the
new Pope. It is ten past two, coming up. We're
gonna have a chat with Professor Peter Linum. You listen
to Matt and Tyler Good Afternoon.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons
call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Said so, the secret conclave is underway to elect a
new pope. Professor Peter Linham has written and lectured extensively
on religious history. Here is a wealth of knowledge when
it comes to the process behind the conclave and the
election of a new pope, and he joins us now,
Professor Lyon in good afternoon, Good afternoon to you.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
So we go right back to the very basics. Who
can be pope? Who is actually eligible for the job?

Speaker 16 (44:58):
So the popes are drawn from the cardinals of the church,
and the cardinals the office was created as a specific
way to create a kind of an elite cabinet for
the church, and originally there weren't very many of them.
Now of course we've got one hundred and thirty five,
but it was originally actually local Italian cardinals who fulfill

(45:24):
these roles.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
And so it can only be from one of them.
It can't be I don't know, just someone that's been
baptized in New Zealand. It has to be a part
of that group of cardinals.

Speaker 16 (45:35):
Yes, that is a restriction, mind you. Ironically, the cardinals
don't have to be ordained. They actually technically could include
a lay person, maybe even a woman, though there's absolutely
no signs of that happening.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Well is that true?

Speaker 19 (45:52):
Though?

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Just to jump ahead that there is the Pope Jones
story true that a woman snuck in there eighty eighty
five five, and now they check to make sure it's
a man A great.

Speaker 16 (46:04):
Thought, but all despite the Conclave movie, etc. No, I
think that's a bit about that.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
So what is the basic process of selecting the new
pope from these cardinals?

Speaker 16 (46:17):
So this is a really historical thing. It's evolved in
the process because there were times they didn't always select
the popes this way, and in fact it's only been
in the nineteenth century that it got tightened down to
this kind of secret process. And apparently in twenty thirteen
somebody did manage to disguise themselves as a cardinal and

(46:39):
sneak into the election, but it got kicked out by
the Swiss guards, so it's not quite effectively. The cardinals
are locked up in the Systeine Chapel and they have
a small piece of paper on which they can write
the name of one of their number than they think

(47:00):
should be pope, and then there will be discussion and
they pause the meals. Meanwhile, there's a total blackout because
they do not want cardinals talking on their cell phones
to the media.

Speaker 20 (47:13):
Or to you or me.

Speaker 16 (47:15):
And they keep doing that four times a day until
they have a.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Pope wow and I guess this is a pretty broad question,
but what are they looking.

Speaker 16 (47:26):
For so effectively? They're looking at someone who can manage
the global church and who can run the Vatican efficiently.
I mean it is technically the pope is a monarch,
is kind of king of the church, and it was
designed in the days when they had monarchs, and hence

(47:47):
all the grandeur of the ceremony involved in it. But
if you can't effectively keep the wheels of the Vatican turning,
keep raising money to pay for the central apparatus of
the church, then the whole thing will collapse. And that's
effectively why Benedict resign in twenty twelve, because he just

(48:11):
proved incapable, maybe incompetent at running the Vatican Bank, and
then all the sexual abuse scandals. He just couldn't handle
it anymore. So you've got to be able to do that.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
That was the first time in six hundred years that
a pope had stepped down, Am I right.

Speaker 16 (48:29):
Yes, that's right, there's been a few presidents. Francis also
is the first pope for six hundred years to choose
a new name, because normally they're drawn from a small
cluster of names of previous popes, right, and this will
be so interesting to watch. But whatever the new pope chooses,

(48:50):
because that's the major clue we'll get of what his
focus is.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
So, Pope Francis has he appointed many of the cardinals
that will select his successor. And by looking at at
some of these cardinals, it is a very diverse group,
isn't it. There are some countries there that have car
and as for the first time sales, Sudan, Papua New Guinea.

Speaker 16 (49:12):
And Tonga and Tonga don't forget to.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Talk right, tongue and black would be good.

Speaker 16 (49:17):
So, yeah, this is a really interesting question because yes,
he selected almost well well o behalf. I think two
thirds of the cardinals are new. They don't know each
other particularly well. And so looking at the people he selected,
because two things had been born in mind. He presumably

(49:40):
wanted the things that he cared about to be reflected
in the cardinals, but he also had a big thing
about representation of the worldwide church. After all, he was
from South America. So the only thing to bear in
mind is you can't assume that they all think like Francis,
because we already know that the cardinals from Africa were

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really unhappy when he proposed a process of informal blessings
of same sex marriage of same sex relateationships. They said,
we're not going to do this in Africa, And these
were the cardinal's head selected.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
How important is the pope in twenty twenty five, Where
does it sit in terms of world leaders as a position?

Speaker 16 (50:22):
Well, the pope of the last fifty years had turned
into global figures, and that's a really striking aspect of
the ways in which the papacy works. They really are
spectacularly public in traveling all around the world, and because
of that, I think we can assume these are really

(50:45):
important figures, although they've got no formal power. Remember one
point four billion Catholics, that's a huge proportion the largest
religious group in the world.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah, that's incredible. But I mean in different times they
have had different influence. I'm just actually listening to a
historical broadcast at the moment on ten six see Sex,
and a lot of it's about Pope Alexander and sanctioning
William the Conqueror's invasion of England. I even think he
provided a papal banner for William the Conqueror to attack.

Speaker 16 (51:22):
Yes, yes, so the pope in the days when church
and state were handed in glove. Yes, indeed he authorized
the Norman conquest of England and made it very difficult
for Harold and that sort of thing you are unlikely
to see.

Speaker 14 (51:38):
Up today happily.

Speaker 16 (51:41):
But I don't think you still can completely discount the
potential influence. For example, the popes made some previous Pope
made some very strong remarks about Palestine Israel situation, and
that's made American Catholics feel very uncomfortable. And I was
most intrigued that apparently one of the right wing capitalist

(52:05):
groups in the States has been taking theotential influential cardinals
out for lunch in Rome over the last week and
a half to make sure that they get somebody who's
not too not too socialist.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
So someone a bit more benedict like going forward. Well,
incredibly interesting.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Yeah, So gut field, Peter, I know it's very hard
to determin it because it is a secret conclave, but
I believe, I understand stand. It took two days to
select Pope Francis last time. What's your gut field this time?
Do you think it will be fast or maybe sometime?

Speaker 16 (52:41):
I think it will all be done by Friday, right
Friday night, I think, I think, I mean, it may
take one more vote than it took with Francis, but
people pretty quickly get realistic. They hear the results of
the votes, so.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
It's not a sacred ballot ballot, it's you hear, well,
you don't know who who all right, right, but you
see which way it's going.

Speaker 16 (53:03):
Yeah, you see which way it's going. And so quite clearly,
conversation will have gone on over and they'll come back
when they start again tonight, and there'll be an elimination
of various the marginal candidates and they'll throw their votes
behind other people, and so there'll be a lot of

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conversations gone overnight. I'd be surprised if it goes beyond
five ballots.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
And do you is it a kind of thing where
you know front runners you have names. Obviously when they
become the pope they get a new name, but names
that are at the top of the top of contention.

Speaker 16 (53:41):
There's a lot of names being thrown around as being
top names. But most key watchers say this is probably
one of the most open elections that there have been
for ages because of all these new cardinals and there
clearly will be people from the South who want another
person out of the kind of Italian European domination of

(54:05):
the past thousand years. But it's it's a hope can't
speak Italian. There will be at a serious disadvantage, and
so that might put the pressure and I'm sure the
Italians are angling to get another at least another European back.
So I find it very very difficult to read lettle

(54:28):
Own the conservative versus liberals that's going on.

Speaker 17 (54:33):
I'm sure very.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yeah, I'd like to see a pope Pious. I'd like
that name to come back and to use.

Speaker 16 (54:40):
Rink Oh well, yes, but you certainly want one. His politics,
his no runting of the twelfth rubious relationships with me
with Anazi Germany.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I was, I was pissed, the ninth the longest pope
running pope. But yeah, the shock. Okay, so not another pis.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Peter. It's been lovely chatting with you. Thank you very
much for your expertise and time, and hopefully we'll catch
up maybe next week if there is an election of
our new pope.

Speaker 16 (55:19):
Indeed, yes, very good, thank you.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
That is Professor Peter Lynham. He is a religious expert
and scholar of religious history, but keen to get your
views on the new pope while the secret conclave is underway.
What do you want to see out of your new pope? Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can also take nine
to ninety two. And where does the pope sit for
you in modern times? The influence obviously of the Catholic

(55:43):
Church and many Catholic people in the world one point
four billions. Peter said, where does that influence it for you? Really?
Can you get your thoughts on this one?

Speaker 2 (55:52):
This textas says, the Catholic religion is a cult and
this pope thing just proves it. You guys should not
be talking about it.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Ah, you go twenty four past two, matd Heathen Tyler
Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty on
you talk, said, good afternoon, twenty six past two, and
we're talking about the election of the new Pope. The
conclave is underway. No pope early today, but as of tomorrow,

(56:18):
I believe it will be four votes per day until
you see that white smoke and they elect a new pope.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Did you call it the pope? Our pope? This Texas says,
why do you say our pope? He's not our pope.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
And it's a good point, as I mentioned that what
were here, here's the piece is the pope. Yeah, there's
only one pope.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
There's only only one pope. Yeah, you know, there's a
few Buddha, but there's only one pope exactly.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
So in that case, he is our pope. And I'll
guess say I'm not religious, but I still think he
is our pope.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
This is an interesting question from Tammy. Hi, guys, does
the pope always have to be old? I know that
you have to be under eighty to vote for the pope,
but the pope does tend to I mean, you know,
if they threw a guy in in his fifties and
you might get a you know, it might get a
lot longer run out of him.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Yeah, I mean, when was the last time we had
a young pope? So to speak? Fifty would be considered
a young pope. Wasn't there a TV show called The
Young Pope?

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Matt and Tyler Unknown by most, there's a genuine prophecy.
Is this such a thing? Declaring that the Catholic Church
in Rome will be nuclear bomb. Russia will drop a
nuke down the chimney of the Vatican. Dennis, Well, that's
an interesting take. Yeah, as a Catholic, I'm hoping for
the incumbent Pope to have the same widespread acceptance of
the vulnerable, the homoseexual community, etc. Whether or not he's

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important to the world these days is irrelevant. If you
are a Catholic. The Pope will always be the most
important figure head for the Catholic here on earth. And
and there's one point four billion Catholics, so you know,
there's a lot of people texting through saying the Pope
is irrelevant. The Pope has nothing to do with anything,
but anyone that is the leader of a church of
one point four billion members as an important person on

(57:52):
the planet. There's no way you can you can deny
that one point four billion people.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
And to have a figure like the Pope that commands,
you know, the presidents and world leaders come to the Pope,
not the other way around. That is incredible influence that
they or they often try and get the Pope's influence
because it's so incredibly important.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
After the eggs Benedict experience, nice part. I hope they
go for someone outside their usual sphere. Well, they did,
with Francis, didn't they He was outside of their usual.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Sphere, very liberal Argantinian yep.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
And now they're looking to go back into this theere.
I think yeah. I mean Francis used to be a
bouncer at clubs and stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
When you told me that instead get out. But you're
quite right. This is a nice one from Matthew. Guys,
there's a TV show on this pope contest. Let's call
it Pope Idol. Someone can call Simon cow and get
those people pretenders singing and dancing, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
I'm not sure how that would work.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
I would watch, would you Pope Idol?

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Though?

Speaker 3 (58:57):
I mean if there were cameras inside that conclave watching
it all unfold, of course I would. I'm so fascinated
with what's going on in that system when it.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Comes to you know what I say before about a
younger Pope. John Paul the Second was fifty eight when
he was elected, so that's twenty six years as pope. Well, oh,
eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty. What do you want
from the new pope if you're if you're Catholic, what
do you think about the pope in general and how
important he is in the world and it will be
a he.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Yeah, and how will the new pope do you think
measure up with Francis? Your thoughts on Francis as well
as a very liberal pope. Would you like to see
someone just as liberal or is it time to go
back to someone more conservative like Pope Benedict. Wow?

Speaker 2 (59:38):
This Texas says we need to go back to the
youngest ever Benedict the Ninth was eighteen years old.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
But he was elected in ten thirty two. AD.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
It's a long runway. If you're eighteen, you can get
a lot done. It is bang on harpass. But keen
to get your thoughts on the new pope as the
election is under way. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is a number to call.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
More likely to be a virgin if you're eight.

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Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Thank you very much, Raylan, and we're talking about the
election of the new Pope. It's currently underway. The conclave
is sitting for as long as it takes into a
new pope is elected. One hundred and thirty three cardinals
in that meeting.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Including our one, right, yes, so is it John Due?

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
It is Cardinal John Due.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
So if there's one hundred and thirty three voting on it,
then and then we've got a zero point seven to
five percent of a chance of the Pope being New Zealand.
Of course we don't really have that because his name
probably won't be banditing about at the at the top
of the of the contenders, but arguably a zero point
seven five percent chance of the Pope being Kiwi. How

(01:01:58):
good would that be?

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Yeah, it's better than zero. Yeah, a New Zealand Pope.
I think we'd all love that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Yeah. Well, and then all these people telling us to
stop referring to the Pope is our pope, then we'd
have then then we'd be in and good Steve when
we were doing that, Uh, learn your thoughts on this.

Speaker 10 (01:02:13):
Oh hi, I still got the influence of the pope,
and it was Pope Francis at the time. But we're
a few years ago. We're in Palermo in Sicily, and
that whole area that most of slicely Sicily is very
mafia based, and there was a priest there who was
very anti the hold that they had on the city

(01:02:35):
and the rest of Palmo and probably Sicily.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
That the mafia hold, that the mafia had the mafia.

Speaker 10 (01:02:42):
Yes, I mean there's size all over the place. It's
it's you know, stop the mafia and things. That's really
was very odd, and that this priest was very outspoken
and very much against them and standing up to them,
which was pretty unusual and dangerous. And eventually he was
assassinated by the Marfia.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Wow, what.

Speaker 8 (01:03:04):
Was this.

Speaker 21 (01:03:07):
Three years ago?

Speaker 10 (01:03:08):
Not that long ago? And we were about to going
to the into the city of Pinemo, and they said,
I look, perdvise you to do not to go because
Pope Paracess was coming over and he was there to
calm everybody down and to stop the retaliation because they
riscared there'd be a whole war between the Catholic Church

(01:03:29):
and the and the people and the mafia. Wow, we
wanted them regardless. And there was just hundreds of thousands
of people there and the Pope came out and they
were absolutely crazy. Whatever he said and whatever which he
was speaking at it did. People settled down and there
actually was as far as when we were there for

(01:03:49):
a few weeks in Sicily and reading and hearings bits
and pieces there was, there was no retaliation, and his
influence had little things that didn't stop. Mafia didn't rest
on them, but it certainly had an influence on the
people there not to retaliate.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
So it was known that the mafia had assassinated this car.

Speaker 10 (01:04:09):
Yes, absolutely, absolutely, that's right. I mean they were. They're
not shy about it. They have so much control and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
So much control it's not and that's not being a
good Catholic killing the cardinal, is it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Certainly not? No?

Speaker 10 (01:04:23):
Well no no, but I don't think you're going to
go around killing people. That doesn't make you good anything,
does it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
No? No, But but you know what I mean, because
because mafioso tend to you know, one thing that they
have is their Catholic faith. So it is interesting that
that would be thrown out the window eforts happens to
be going up against your business interests.

Speaker 10 (01:04:45):
As it were, exactly, But it was just seeing the
way he was calm, he was measured. He went in
and I'm not Catholics, so you know, it's a litle
bit of a mystery, but he was calm, he was
and just well, everyone together that we're ready to go
out and fight back. And they, you know, don't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Wow, that is an incredible story. Did you know what
happened in the end of that? Did the mafia have
to say sorry or come to the table or say
we got this role I had And it wouldn't have
worked out well for them, as you say, if the
Pope wasn't there and the people revolted against the mafia,
they would have come out second best.

Speaker 10 (01:05:23):
They most certainly would have done. And from the hotel
that was telling us, he said, yeah, that's exactly what
would happened, and they didn't want that, so bringing the
pope and it was very short notice because it was
like a couple of days after after the priest had
been killed.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
How close did you get to Pope Francis? Was he
was there a lot a lot of security around us?

Speaker 10 (01:05:46):
Oh yeah, no, no chance of getting anywhere near him.
And we were just being in the square because we
were around the area and when he was here and
we kind of could well the taller people could could
see it in your area.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
So you okay, how cool experience.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Thank you for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Yeah, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call your thoughts on who the next pope
should be, and what the next pope should be in
terms of liberal versus conservative. Pope Francis was clearly a
controversial figure, very liberal in terms of popees as a time.
Would you like to see a return to someone like
Pope Benedict was very very conservative? Love to hear your

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thoughts and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Look, Tyler, I love a fun fact, as you know,
I love a punishing fun facts. So my question is
for you, what does the word mavia mean? What does
it derive from? Mafiosa nine too?

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
If you think you know it is twenty one to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Three Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon
rolls on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News talksa'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the program.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
So the answer to Mike Curly question, what does mafia mean?
Originally it's derived from the word the Sicilian objective adjective mafioso,
which roughly translates to swagger, oh, boldness or bravado.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
They certainly are there afia? Yeah, well I say that
based on the Sopranos. So what do I know? You
know that's a fictional retelling.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
A better gang name than the Mongol mob.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
That certainly is uh Patricia. Now we'll go, oh yeah, Richard,
how are you?

Speaker 15 (01:07:26):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (01:07:27):
Thank you guys for taking a call. I really enjoy
your programs, and I'm sometimes out driving I have to
pull on the road and listen to you, Richard, Professor Lame.
I really enjoy him when particularly he's on television. There's
just a few historical facts, only three I'll mentioned for you.
Did you know there's been one English Pope, Nicholas Breakspeare,

(01:07:48):
who became Pope Adrian. I forget the number in about
eleven hundred and something, right, Pope Nicholas is a scholar here,
Nicholas Breakspeare. He was an Oxford student, and he became
Pope Adrian. I forget which number right, hour.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
So teen sixty six when William the Conqueror came in
supported my potract can They changed up the church in
England a lot to make it more aligned with the.

Speaker 20 (01:08:12):
Vatican di And the other thing is the Pope was
very much a temporal ruler up till nineteen twenty nine,
ruling the center of Italy as the Papal States, and
of course Mussolini signed the latter and treaty with the papacy,
in which the pope gave up all the temporal powers
of those states, and the one square mile of the
Vatican became a country, and the pope had to leave

(01:08:35):
the Quirinali Palace and live in the Vatican. And so
that's just one of the historical things of it. And
at one stage in history there was a sort of
schism and there were two popes, one living in Avignon
and one in Rome. Wow, how did they the Middle Ages?

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
How did they get sorted out?

Speaker 20 (01:08:53):
I can't remember quite you take one, must read more
about it. But the latter, and of course the papacy
to this day sends diplomats around the world. The papal
nuncios are credited to all the countries, so you'll get
somebody of the think of an archbishop or something stationed
in New Zealand. There'd be one in Australia, one in America,

(01:09:14):
one in Canada, and certainly the people nuncia in the
United Kingdom. So they still have quite a power with
their diplomacy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call, Richard,
appreciate that. What's kind of interesting about the Catholic Church.
I was reading this interesting theory that the Roman Empire
never died, it just transitioned into the Catholic Church. I
mean it all comes out of Rome. And you know
when around Rome changed from its gods to the Roman

(01:09:43):
gods to Christianity then moved through and in ancient Rome
they had you know, religious leaders called Pompeius that became
the popes. So the Roman Empire just just pivoted, like
all good businesses, into becoming the Catholic Church.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
That is a hell of a transition, though, wasn't it
to go from the Roman gods to say, hey, by
the way, Zeus, he's not the man anything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
There was Augustus, Wasn't It was Augustus someone or No.
Nine two nine two who decided to you know, it's
bigger than changing from pounds into decimal currency, isn't it. Here, Yeah,
who are changing the whole religion and all your temples
will now become cathedrals.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Yeah. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call love to you your thoughts ahead of the
election of the new pope. The conclave is underway, so
can you get your thoughts? So if you've got a
favorite pope, you're more to welcome to let us know
on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, But what
do you want from the new pope before they are
elected or he is elected, because it is going to
be a man.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
I'm an idiot. It was Constantine.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Of course, it was Constant Constantine. Hack it up, mate,
get in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Augustus did give us the month of August.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Okay, it is fourteen two three.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk SIBB.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
News Talks. He be welcome back into the show, and
we've been talking about the next pope as the election
is underway right right now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Okay, I've got it right now. Augustus was the emperor
when Christ was born. Okay, And you've got Constantine was
the first Christian emperor. And then it was Theodosis who
in thirteen eighty converted the entire Roman Empire to Christianity. Okay, okay,
so there's three.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Yeah, you put that to be. It is confirmed.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Just in case those people that were just it was
just irking them and they knew they couldn't think about
anything else, so that was worked out. We've done it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Okay, that is it. Patricia, You want to have a
chat about the word mafia.

Speaker 11 (01:11:49):
Well, I think everybody said what I was going to
say anyway, But basically it came from the Sicilian word
something like mappy us, which meant fearless and weren't afraid
of anybody or anything, which is exactly what they are.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
So yeah, that's quite a good name, really, yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:12:07):
Yeah, so that's face for it. And then the other thing,
of course, was Henry the eighth wasn't the pope wouldn't
allow him to get married because he was already divorced,
so he broke away from the Catholic Church and formed
the Anglicans.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
Right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Yeah, he was like, if I can't do that, I'll
start my own to it. Bold move.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
It was a bold move and six wives. I mean,
come on, Henry Patrician. Patricia, you've got a beautiful accceing.
Do you are you watching with great interests who the
next pope will be?

Speaker 11 (01:12:37):
Not really no, no, not really a little bit of
an interest, but not a huge I really have had
interest probably when John the twenty third was you know,
that was when I was a schoolgirl, so had a bitshop,
you know, educated with the nuns in Ireland, so it
was kind of your dinner breakfast, dinner and lunch or whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:13:02):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:13:02):
So but no, I don't have a huge interest now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Oh well, thank you so much for you call Patricia.
What a lovely accent adds credence to my my my
definition of the word marking.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
You know what you're talking about a couple of taxsa
on nineteen nine two. But Lea's got a Nico your
preference for the new.

Speaker 22 (01:13:21):
Tell me, I've got a lovely accent to please.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
You do beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Where's your accent from? Nico? H. I'm an African, yep,
I thought.

Speaker 22 (01:13:31):
So, I'm a Catholic, and I personally would like the
next folk to be Indonesian because Iland, Indonesia is the
third biggest Catholic congregation outside of the Vatican and Arome,
of course, so I would like the Indonesians to have
a ves focused on around.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Oh yeah, but I've.

Speaker 22 (01:13:54):
Also got an interesting fact for you guys that the
Catholic Church is the oldest running institution in the world
and also the biggest provider of education outside of any
government anywhere in the world. Yeah, it's really amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
That is amazing, That is incredible. So you're watching with
great interest. Nko, it's fair to.

Speaker 22 (01:14:16):
Say, oh yeah, definitely, definitely. I will be honest with you, guys.
I was not a big fan of both frances For me,
the most favorite pope was fo Jon Pauver sick of
the published one. I just love him to promone mm and.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
What didn't you like about Pote Francis? Do you think
he was a little bit too liberal? He pushed things
a little bit too far.

Speaker 22 (01:14:40):
No, no, yeah, but as well, especially when he was
in America, that they should not get people out of
a country that's illegal. And at the same time, the
Vatican is most probably one of the most protected places
in the world, and then he tells other people like
America not to protect their borders. That put me a
little bit offside with him, but it's just in honesty.

(01:15:03):
He was a very, very humble man. Was probably the
humblest folks in many, many years.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Yeah, Nico, thanks very much for giving us a buzz.
Really nice to chat and again, beautiful accents. Thank you
very much. Uh, Nick, can you hear me.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
Talk to us about what you want? What do you
want to see in the new pope.

Speaker 23 (01:15:25):
Yeah, well, I mean the Pope frances was a great man.
But I mean I'm osboard upper Catholic, but I then
became a Christian and I'm no longer a Catholic, and
so I'm a Christian. But and there are some great
people in the Catholic Church. But I'm you know, Francis there.

(01:15:50):
He gave same text couples the Blessing, which is completely
anti biblical. Jesus loves the people but hates the sin
of homosexuality and gayness and all that. And he and also,
you know, I'm going to look at some of the
other Christian leaders. I mean, yes, he's the papers are

(01:16:14):
very much just a political leader of the Catholic Church.
But I look at some of the now. Well, a
couple three years ago, a guy go, I name you
probably haven't heard of, Rain hard Bonky, a German guy died.
Now I know a guy who worked alongside of him
in his crusades and his crusades. He had a passion

(01:16:35):
for the African continent. And if you just people just
google his name and what he did. What was the
name Ryan hard Bonky? And it does nothing to him
to have well than through seven figures at a crusade,
huge crusades and over a million, sometimes up to two

(01:16:58):
million will make decisions for Christ? Was he people know
much about him? Not a lot. Gerty Graham is another
very good man and he passed away a few years
years ago and also currently alive. Is what's her name?
It just swoops me in our Joyce Meyer. Joyce Meyer

(01:17:20):
doing fantastic ministries all around the world, and people are
coming to Christ left right in the center. Ultimately, that's
our job to do as Christians, is to bring people
to Christ. Now, my question is a pope Francis. Yes,
he's a political figure and he went around and did that.
He's very well protected and all of that. But what

(01:17:41):
did he do in that era? I'm not criticizing him,
don't get me wrong. So you know, does the church
need a pope?

Speaker 18 (01:17:50):
I mean?

Speaker 23 (01:17:51):
And unfortunately the church? Yes, I was brought upper Catholic
I told you that. And you know the priest is
the number one. I mean, I know some Catholic priests
have good relationships with them as friends, which is great.
I don't call them father, that's not scriptural. And because
we've only got one far souther and heaven and so

(01:18:11):
so if you follow on a mean, you know, it's
a very much a political thing and a lot of
Catholics they revert these people in these positions and they
go ballistic over them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
I mean, sorry, Nick, We're going to have to let
you go, but I think we got you at your point.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
When political figurehead the pope, and they're not down on
the ground usually converting people to Jesus, but they are
responsible for asking their cardinals in church leaders to do
that on the ground.

Speaker 21 (01:18:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Sorry, and that cat to cut you off because the
news is coming in fast and we can't stop it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
No, we cannot as much as we'd like to sometimes.
But thank you very much to everyone who phone and
text on that discussion. Really enjoyable and we'll be watching
over the next couple of days as the conclave looks
to elect the new Pope. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
I'll just light the white smoke yep of Raylen Ramsey's
News beautifully said.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Your new home for instul and entertaining talk. He It's
Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sebby.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
Now we we're going to chat about going into the
family business or following in the footsteps of your parents
when it comes to a career, And we may get
to that tomorrow because here's what we want to have
a chat about over the next hour. Mark Lundy, he
has been released from prison after serving more than twenty
three years for murder. He maintains his innocence and plans

(01:19:42):
to continue fighting to clear his name. His release has
included strict conditions and a suppression order on his living arrangements.
But the question we want to put to you is,
so we cannot say where Lundy is going to be
living now that he has been released from prison, But
does it really matter in terms of protecting his privacy

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and protecting those out of of where he will be
trying to reintegrate into society. How much does that really
matter in the case of Mark Lundy?

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Oh, what do you mean?

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Well, if that is to protect his own privacy and
his own ability to reintegrate into society, I can understand
part of that. But would anyone in New Zealand really
have too much of an issue with Mark Lundy being
in their community.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Well, it's interesting because there's the first photos of Mark
Lundy have been taken. There's a suppression of order of
where he is. But people are taking photographs of them
and post them somewhere. So what are you saying? Should
he be left alone? So is it wrong to take
photos of him imprint them? Has he done his time

(01:20:53):
and he should just be left let be?

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
Well that's a little bit of a fantasy, isn't it.
I mean, he is a very well known person in
New Zealand and there will be many people out there
in the community if they see Mark LUNDI many people
know what he looks like. They will be taking photos
and they will be telling their family and friends that
I would say.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
I would say that most people would know in New
Zealand what Mark Lundy looks like. He's got that very
distinctive beard that he grew in prison. Actually, I think
it's a bit different now than it was for a while.
He's had a few looks, as you'd expect. He's been
prison for a very very long time. And we all remember,
you know, the shot of him at the funeral in
two thousand with the blue blockers, and you know it's

(01:21:38):
sort of with his arms around a couple of support people.
So people would know who would. But yeah, I mean,
what do you think about this? Should should you? He's famous, right,
and so if you saw him, you'd be like, that's
Mark Lunday, that's Mark Lunday. Should you take a picture
of him? Should you go up and talk to him?

Speaker 8 (01:21:55):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Absolutely? What I would do all of the above. What
would be the problem with that? Do you think that
would be impinging on Mark Lundy's right? Well, look if
I went up to and if I saw him on
the street and said, hey, it's Mark Lundy, I'm going
to go up and say hello, and he told me
to bugger off, then I would bugger off whatever he
was up for a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Of a chat.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Then what is wrong with that?

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Well, well he's paroled, right and with a bunch of conditions.
But do that makes him just a member of society?
So do you just go up and take pictures of
people that you're interested in? I mean, I don't know.
I was on a plane with a famous person recently
and a bunch of people just taking pictures of them. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:22:33):
I mean it's very different because he's not he's a
famous person, but he's not a famous person that makes
money from being a famous person. If you know what
I mean. So a celebrity has skin in the game
because their faces are out there. They're whatever they're doing,
they're in movies, they're whatever they're doing. They're making money
from their image. So taking a picture of them, they're
kind of already in the in the game, if you do,

(01:22:54):
know what I mean. But Mark Lundey is just a dude.
And I don't know, like from a news perspective, because
just looking at this picture, do we really need to
see this picture of Mark Lundy in his car in
a car? I don't know, I mean, And I'm looking
at in the Herald. Now the Herald spotted a bespecta
called Lundy wearing an oversized hoodie, track pants and jendles

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going for a drive with one of his supporters today.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
But it's incredibly newsworthy, though, wasn't it. A lot of
people would be interested in that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
I am interested in it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Yeah, So it's a very fascinating case.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
I'm hugely interested in the whole case. Yeah, And I
am as interested to see the picture and I'm interested
to where he is. But should I be, you know?
And I also think the whole it's quite interesting his
parole terms as well well. I'd love to hear your
thoughts on this O way one hundred and eighty ten eighty,
whether you think he should just be let be? As
this textas says, why would you? Oh, the text machine
just blew up a thousand texts came through just when

(01:23:47):
I was trying to read that one out and dropped
it to the bottom of the page. But I think
it's basically, why the hell would you want to take
a picture of Lundy? Yeah, leave him alone.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
Love to hear your thoughts on this one. I eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It
is twelve past three. A whole bunch of texts have
come through. We'll get to some of those very shortly
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
I've got a question. His release conditions included a ban
on using social media, including dating sites, and you know,
as I said before on the show, I don't know
how many people would swipe right on Lundy to start with,
but as also a ban on looking at pornography, and
he has to hand as digital device is in with
passwords so that people can look at it. Why would
a person that's been paroled there's been no sexual nature

(01:24:28):
in anything he's been involved in.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
It's a great question.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Why is pornography part of the parole terms?

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
If you know, loves to hear from you. Nine two
nine two is the text number, and one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. It is twelve past three. Very good
afternoon to you. It is fourteen past three, and we're
talking about the release of Mark Lundy. He has been
released from prison after serving more than twenty three years
for murder. He has maintained his innocence all along, and
he does plan to continue fighting to clear his name.

(01:24:55):
But his release has included strict conditions and a suppression
order on his living arrangements.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
And I said before, it's strange that there's a ban
on him looking at any pornograph. He's not allowed on
dating sites, and I said, there's no sexual actu or anything.
But I guess back then in two thousand, nineteen ninety nine,
he was with a prostitute, wasn't he in the motel room,
which at that point was illegal? So maybe that's why.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Taken into a consideration, or is that just a general
term of being paroled?

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
But you, yeah, I'd like to know that are you
generally not allowed to look at a pornography on parole.
It's an interesting one. I mean, you could argue that,
I don't know, complicated pornography. He might calm people down
and stop them doing things.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
Yeah, but genuine question, I mean, does that mean he
can't go down and get a magazine? I suppose it does.
I mean it's just a strange part of those conditions.
But if you have been paroled, I'd love to hear
from you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
I mean, Lundy rocking into a dairy to trow and
buy an adult magazine, it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
Would be a good lot.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
I've questioned the need to take photos of Lundy, and
I believe maybe just leave him alone and take don't
take a snap. Tyler is very keen to take as
many snaps as he can of Lundy. But if I
saw Lundy in a dairy buying a.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Stick man yep, an adult make yeah, I'll probably take
the truth. There you go and you come across eventually.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Craig, welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
Are you're good? And your thoughts on you know, taking
photos of Mark Lundy the RISSI orders about about where
he may be.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
Yeah, look give him his face now, he's done his crime,
done his time. I believe personally that that's innocent. He
brought up an interesting point earlier on the image of
a lot of New Zealanders have of Mark Lundy is
standing there distraught being held up. My supporters and a

(01:26:49):
lot of Kiwi's thought that perhaps he was putting it on.
But what they don't realize is what he was actually
watching was thehears leaving with his wife and children in it.
Thinking that counter fore he is innocent. His actions were
justified one hundred percent. That to me, that wasn't fake,
that that was her, That was you and hurt. You

(01:27:09):
could just see it in the man you just reading alone.
And what the Lundy Hundi. What were the findings on that?

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Yeah, I mean there's lots of things like fibers in
bloodstain with the police say that the offenders entered Lundy's
house with were sent to the Institute of Environmental Science
and Research but never tested. There were I mean, I
don't want to relitigate this, but there were there were
fibers here, fibers found that were never tested at the

(01:27:39):
time twenty one years found and twined and Christine Lundy's
fingers when her body was discovered were also never tested.
There is there's there's a lot of questions. There's a
lot of questions around this case. And I know Mike Smith,
Mike White has written written a lot about it, and
can you imagine how horrific that is? So, this horrible
thing's happened, and people made a huge judgment on him

(01:27:59):
because he was with the prostitute and in a motel
a long way from his family. But can you imagine
that situation if it is I don't know who knows.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
But things have happened.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
But if he is innocent, imagine that. So not only
you spend all that time in prison, but even now
you're not allowed to to to visit the graves of
of you know, your your wife and your child loved ones.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Yeah, exactly, That's that's horrible. It's another sentence on its own.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Yeah, I mean, and so people and then you've got
people snapping up and running up and taking pictures of
you because you're a novelty interesting. Yeah, I know. But
then then again, he has been found guilty in our
in our courts, and we've got to have some trust
in our courts.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
I'd love to go up and if I saw him,
you know, like part of me would love to go
shake your hand say make you innocent. I believe you're
innocent and having carry on with my life, led on
with his life. But at the same time space man
who needs us space?

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
So yeah, all.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Right, interesting point, Thank you very much. One hundred and
eighty teen eighty is the number to call. Plenty of
texts coming through. I mean that is part of our
justice system that there are many people who are convicted
of some Heenis crimes. They do their time, they are
released down into the community. And unfortunately for someone like
Mark Lundy, this case is incredibly famous. A lot of

(01:29:21):
people know of this case. It has some scandalous details.
So whether that entitles him to privacy now he has
reintegrated into society, love to hear your thoughts. Eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. Is it time to leave him alone?
Or do we as a country have a right to
know where he may be living and would you have
a problem if he was living in your neighborhoods Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

(01:29:43):
It is nineteen past three.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news talk.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Z'd be very good afternoon to you. We're talking about
Mark Lundy's release from prison. He has served as time
and he has been released today and he is reintegrating
into society. But there are some of course, release conditions
attached to it, and a suppression order about where he
will be living. But keen to hear your views about
whether he should be left alone in the community and
would you have a problem if he was on your

(01:30:14):
street or in your community or your next door neighbor.
Oh eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
The sex says, every time you go on about him,
you're maintaining his innocence. You act like that means something.
He's been found guilty twice. There is no questions at all.
I don't know. I'm saying, I don't know the answer
to the question whether he's in a sort or not.
He's definitely guilty in the eyes of the law. He's
definitely been found guilty. But that's not necessarily the truth,
and there are undoubtedly questions about it, but that's not

(01:30:41):
really what we're talking about. No, we're talking about should
should he be let be or should he should photographs
be taken of him where he.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
Is Yeah, he has served his time, and under our
justice system, you are convicted for a period of time,
even for the most heinous of crimes, and after that
period of time there is no other option but to
be released. And that is a situation here, and he
now has to try and reintegrate into society as best
he can. The question we've got is does it help
or hinder if he has read recognized in the street

(01:31:09):
of people take photos of them. Would you have a
problem if he lived in your particular neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
So this Texas says, regardless of whether he is guilty,
he has served the sentence required of him. He should
therefore be allowed to get on with his life.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Yeah. Absolutely. Now we'll go to the phones here, We've
got Jill.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
Hello, Jill, good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
How are you very good? And what's your view on this?

Speaker 12 (01:31:34):
I think that Mark should be left alone. I would
welcome them to my community. Of course, I've never believed
he was guilty, but that's not for me to say. However,
he has twenty three years in prison. I can't imagine

(01:31:54):
what that would have been like if you're innocent. And
a look at what happened to Arthur around Thomas. So
there have been missed courages, oh, miss carriages of justice.
So I just wish him are the best and hope

(01:32:19):
that New Zealand will embrace him back into where every lives.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Now, Jill, you happen to think that he is an
assenting You've followed the case obviously for quite some time,
and you would and you say that you would welcome
him into your neighborhood. But if you happen to think
that he was guilty, would you still welcome him into
your neighborhood.

Speaker 12 (01:32:45):
Yes, everyone deserves a second chance. If I thought he
was well, you see, I don't think he was guilty.
So that's a very hard question really to answer.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Yeah, I mean yeah, if something that wasn't true was true,
how would you feel as as kind of a difficult
question to answer, isn't it? As an Jill? But thank
you so much for your call. I appreciate that, Jill.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
Yeap plenty of texts coming through on this guys. I
would not be happy to have him in my neighborhood.
Wish he hadn't been paroled. I feel there is a
difference between the fact he has been found guilty of
two murders and has not been cleared by a legal
misjustice he has committed murder until he is found to
have not.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
Gen says, just tuned into the run radio Lundy is
no longer national news. Leave the guy in peace. Shame
on you, regards, Jen. You have just tuned in because
we're saying that he is in the national news and
there is a photograph of him that has been published.
So quite wrong there, Jen, He is in the national news.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of people texting
through saying that he should still be in prison. But
unfortunately with our justice system, well maybe not unfortunately, but
it is just the way it operates that if you
are convicted for a certain period of time and you
serve your time, you are a release back out into
the community. That is how it works.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Yeah. This person said, I'm really disgusted and disappointed in
you guys that you think he's done his time. And
it's not a that's not a matter of whether we
think it or not. He has done his time and
has been paroled, so he's still got his parole time.
So it's not a matter of whether we think that's
the case or not. It is the case. Yeah, And
you know, he could have been probably would have been

(01:34:30):
out earlier, almost definitely would have been out earlier if
he had said he was guilty. But he's always maintained
his innocence, which creates an interesting catch twenty two. That's
sort of well known, isn't it that if you maintain
your innocence, then you were seen to in some way
not have rehabilitated yourself, which is a catch twenty two

(01:34:51):
if you actually are innocent. And I'm not saying lundy is,
I don't know. I have, you know, no particular insights
into that. I mean, I've read problems with the case
that have I initially, like I think most of New
Zealand initially just went that guy did it. And the
idea in my head that I would ever question it
would have been outrageous to me all those years ago.

(01:35:14):
But then you know, reading a lot of what Mike
Mike White has written, and you know there are questions.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
Yep, he's a very good investigative reporter, Mike White. I mean,
it is similar to the Scott Watson case. And again
no opinion on whether he is guilty or innocent, but
he will serve his time and he will be paroled.
At the end of that time, and again another case
that is infamous. But by the very nature that he
has always claimed he has been innocent, he has not
been paroled. He has had to serve out his time,

(01:35:42):
and that is the way the justice system works.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
This six, says guys as part of his parole conditions,
might suggest it's illegal to take unsolicited photos of him
given the non disclosure of his whereabouts. I mean, in
this picture that is in the Herald, you can't see
where he is. You can just see him in the car.
But it would definitely be illegal to take a photo
of him with the sign with a street sign and

(01:36:07):
shot or a welcome to wherever it is. I just
think there's something kind of weird about taking pictures of them.
You know, that's just something. But it is newsworthy and
I'm interested in it, and so it is news, if
you know what I'm saying. So at the same time,
I think it's odd to take a picture of him,
it is it is newsworthy in a way.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
And they're going to end up on social media, right
Eventually someone's going to take a picture of him and
expose where he is living. Chris, you reckon leave him
alone as well.

Speaker 17 (01:36:35):
Well, I mean, look, you know I live in times
and look, Mark Lundy is not as worth as some
of them that are walking around here. We have sexual
offenders walking around the streets and people on bail or
parole or you know whatever serious crime done. Look, Mark
Lundy's least the problem worry that we have to worry about,

(01:36:56):
and he's welcome like anybody else to be in the neighborhoods.
We can't prove he did it or didn't. I think
people have speculating that he did, but they weren't there
when that happened. That he's the only one that knows
what happened. And yeah, I think it's illegal to take

(01:37:18):
photos of somebody under the current law without permission. Apparently
it's a Privacy Act breach unless you say you're going
to take a photo of that person in there, all.

Speaker 22 (01:37:29):
Right with it?

Speaker 17 (01:37:30):
I thought that was the law. But Mark Lundy, I
don't see anything high risk of him. He hasn't done
sexual offending.

Speaker 18 (01:37:39):
He has't.

Speaker 17 (01:37:39):
He's not a risk to children. Maybe how well I'm
saying that in an opinion because you know, well we
can't prove that he did it. And even though he
did face the time and he's done it. I think
people should just kind of like, you know, think about
the rest of the criminals or people who are out

(01:38:02):
there on the street that maybe he's not as high
priority as the ones that are out there who are
wondering around the more serious problems in their background on
what they are do you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
Know yea, yeah, so.

Speaker 17 (01:38:16):
That's what I was asking.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Yeah, well, good on you, Chris. I appreciate that your call.
It is generally unlawful. This is from the police dot
gut dot NZ. It is generally unlawful to take photos
of people in public places. Sorry, It is generally lawful
to take photographs of people in public places without their consent. However,
you must not film or take photos of people if
they are in a place where they can expect privacy,

(01:38:38):
such as a public changing area or a toilet. Yeah,
so you can. I mean you're allowed to take You're
abut to go up and snap people on the street. Yeah,
I mean it's a weird thing to do.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
But to h eight hundred and eighteen eighty is the
number to call headlines with Ray Lean coming up.

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Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we have asked the
question is it time to leave Mark Lundy alone? He
has been released from prison after serving more than twenty
three years for murder. He has maintained his innocence and
he plans to continue fighting to clear his name. But
as release conditions include strict are strict conditions rather and
a suppression order on his living arrangements. But there has

(01:40:33):
been a photo snapped of him already in a car
as he has been released from prison. But so we've
asked the question, does he deserve the right to be
left alone in the community? Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Yeah, and interesting, you can take a photo of him. Yeah,
you can take a photo of anyone out in public.
You can if you want. But should you is the question?
You can? But should you?

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
Yeah? Yep, need to get your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
Absolutely impossible to enforce the law where you couldn't take
photos of people in public because you could be taking
a photo when someone just happens to be in the
back of the shot for example. And look, I've taken
pictures of people before by pretending to take a selfie,
but I'm actually taking a picture of them because I
think they've got an interesting hair doal or something.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
So it's a complimentary photo. You've seen something that is
kind of a I like the look of that person
and just a week.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Normally I think they look ridiculous, and I send a
picture to a friend. But I'm not a good person, so.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
And and sorry, what's your thoughts on this?

Speaker 21 (01:41:31):
Ah? Hi, guys, I like becoming with a different point
of view here. I am a auntie of a young
man who was killed and a hate horrible crime. Yeah,
and you know, it's really hard on the family thinking
this person will ever come out of jail because he

(01:41:53):
could have a life which my nephew will never ever get. So,
you know, it's really difficult to think this guy still
pleads with absolute innocence. Everything was on CCTV and there
was no doubt whatsoever happened. So I find it really
hard when what we had to go through in court

(01:42:14):
to prove the intent and prove that he was guilty.
I do find it incredibly hard when people say that
they're innocent, because the process is just intolerable. It's you know,
the guy that was guilty didn't have to prove anything.
He didn't have to prove innocence, but we had to
prove all of the reasons, the intent, etc. But if

(01:42:37):
this guy Mark he's been let out, you know, I
feel for the family. I'm sorry. I don't feel anything
towards him not having photos taken of him. He potentially,
I guess, took two lives. But I feel for the
family knowing that he's out. It must hurt them a
lot because that poor little girl never had a chance

(01:42:59):
at life. My nephew would never get married and have children,
but his killer could come out and have a life
for another.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
Forty fifty years now, and Gie the situation you're as terrible.
And it sounds like you know, with the CCTV footage,
and I don't know any details of the case, but
it sounds like that is you know, you guys are
absolutely sure, But would you agree that it is possible
for someone to be wrongly convicted and sent to prison?

Speaker 21 (01:43:27):
Like I say, I do find it hard just because
what we went through in court.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
Yeah, I get that, and.

Speaker 21 (01:43:32):
What we had to prove that you could actually be
arrested and all that investigation happen, and the years and
the time it takes for them not to be guilty,
But I'm sure, of course it must happen, but I
just know to experience what we went through. Man, Yeah,
you don't get chosen to you know, you don't get

(01:43:53):
accused of something unless there's a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
Well, that sometimes happens, and I'm absolutely not saying that
it is the case in your case, because it sounds
definitely not the case in your case. But there are
times when people get accused unfairly, and there definitely has
been cases where people have gone away, and the legal
system is definitely weighted in the idea that it's better
to let and let someone guilty go than put someone

(01:44:22):
innocent in prison, so you know, they beyond reasonable doubt,
and there's a there's a high bar to convict someone,
which is hard obviously in your case, because it seems
like there wasn't any reasonable doubt, you know, if there's
CCTV footage and such. But yeah, I mean it's horrible.

(01:44:42):
It's a horrible situation and it's hard to talk to
you about it because I can only imagine how you feel.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
And were you brought into the parole process, was were
your thoughts and feelings taken into account?

Speaker 21 (01:44:57):
No, the family statements. I'm trying to think of the
word that goes towards the decision weren't allowed to be read,
the hurt statement. It's kind of thing. So no, so
he got given life without parole because that was the
minimum sentence he could get. But our feelings and what

(01:45:19):
we've been through were taken into consideration at all. The
interesting thing is the judge did say that this person
did have to show that had been rehabilitated, etc. And
the judge, you know, highly doubted that that could happen
due to the actions of this person themselves. So very

(01:45:39):
different too, obviously your scenario. But I thought i'd just
ring from the family.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
Yeah, no, absolutely, Hey, and I'm really really appreciate that,
and once again sorry for all you've been through that
that must be. I can't even imagine how rough that is.
So thank you so much for your call. Really appreciate it.

Speaker 21 (01:45:55):
Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:45:55):
Thanks, and oh, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call if you want to send
a text message more than welcome. Nine to two nine
two is that number? It is twenty to four back
for surely here on News Talks, theb.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
Come a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Mart Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 17 (01:46:13):
Sa'd be very.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
Good afternoon to you, seventeen to four, and we've asked
the question, should Mark Lundy be left alone? Now he
has been released from prison and is reintegrating into the community. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
This Texas says, he's done his time, seems like he's
going to be somewhat financially dependent from the system, independent
from the system. Leave him be, Whereas this text disagrees.
I hope Mark Lundy has no peace. He's a convicted
murderer that should have been given an actual life long sentence.
We're too lenient in New Zealand and have very short
memories and sentences. And this Texas says, is twenty three

(01:46:46):
years enough for what he did. Yeah, well, there's those
the two sides of the of the conversation. Yeah, but
we're really asking the question should he be let be?
Should should people go up and tell it take photos them?
Tyler thinks yes, Tyler would run up and take a
photo with him.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
Hey, I'm going to requalify that and say I wouldn't
take a but you're more than welcome to take a
photo of Mark Lunday if you see a mountain about right.
I've never taken a photo with anyone. I mean, we'd
had a chat about this with the Robbi Williams situation.
I've never come up to any celebrity and said hello
or asked for a photograph. But if you want to
do that, then that is part of a free society.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
Yeah, I mean the photo we're talking about is in
the Herald, and so arguably it's newsworthy to take a
photo of him, although you absolutely can't say where he is. Yeah,
that's suppressed. So it's arguably newsworthy. But if you're just
a person, what are you taking the photo for? Just
so you can tell your mates that you took the photo.
I mean, what about someone that goes up and gets

(01:47:44):
a selfie with him? Would you support that?

Speaker 3 (01:47:46):
Well, if Mark Lundy said that was okay, I suppose yeah, yeah,
I mean, I mean he's incredibly famous.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Well, as someone keeps pointing out, he's infamous, famous, infamous. Yeah,
depending on the way you look at a lot. Okay,
let's put it a different way. Nearly everyone in New
Zealand would recognize him if he walked into a room,
absolutely right, And that's for a lot of people enough
for them to want to take a photo because it's
an interesting enough situation that someone that they've seen their

(01:48:14):
face in the media a lot happens to be in
the area they are in. Exactly, it's interesting enough for
them to take a photograph so they can go to
their friends and look, I'm pretending to be holy in there.
I probably would think that's pretty interesting, and I might
even take a secret photo different sure with my friends.
But should I Does that make it? Or is there
something wrong with us?

Speaker 3 (01:48:35):
Is a number to call Tilly? How are you?

Speaker 15 (01:48:38):
Yeah, thank you very much for toucial opportunity. Yeah, to
me my own personal opinion, yeah, it's serious time. But
I before that, I'll feel sorry for this burious caller
or what she said. Yeah, but to me, I understand

(01:48:58):
that we all different opinion my one. If you come
into my community, I will make a time. Just try
to know him. Uh, even I might ask him for
a cup of tea or coffee or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:49:17):
She won.

Speaker 15 (01:49:18):
The thing is she's done his time, and not only
ted he called bus the role boat as its pretty hard,
so he must be do something in there to go
past all the papers. Yeah, that's that's how my feeling
about it. I mean to take photo, not now. I

(01:49:40):
can't see why I had to go take photo because
to me, the case is not finished. He still one
to put the clear slag. So I will take a
photo of him if he clear snag, like after Alan
Thomas and all those kind of things, before Bowler and

(01:50:01):
all these kind of people. But not now. Yeah, my opinion, well,
he done his time. I'll say hello to him and
try to know him. Man, go for him. It's just
a human being like me.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
Well, I think if you're cool too, he yeah, thank
you very much, and like a very magnanimous person. Absolutely,
If you guys think it's okay to take a picture
with a convictim murderer, you should you need to get
another career. Well, I think we're probably well, we didn't
say that. In fact, I said it would be weird
to do that, so it's an odd text. But also
I think we are in the career of people that

(01:50:34):
do take pictures. We're in love it or lumpet. You
and me are in the media.

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
Tyler, yep, one hundred percent. And I can guarantee you know,
there was the picture that we're talking about that is
in the Herald, that will get a lot of clicks
over the next twenty four hours. People are interested in
that it is newsworthy.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
Is it right?

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
There is the question that we're asking you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
I certainly wouldn't feel under threat if Lundy moved into
my neighborhood. It's not like he's a crazy loon out
randomly attacking joggers.

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
Keep those texts on nine two.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
You know too, he said he's been paroled, so they
must know something. But you know, to play devil's advocate,
there definitely have people that have been paroled and recently
that have gone on you know, the pro board as
definitely doesn't get it right one hundred percent of the
time for sure, tragically very true.

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
Ross, what's your thoughts on on this?

Speaker 19 (01:51:21):
Yeah, the guys, I can't remember the case years ago,
so my opinion on where is your fu or not irrelevance?
I wasn't done as well and the evidence presented, so
I don't know, but my viewers had been prought back
into the public eye because.

Speaker 3 (01:51:42):
Oh Ross, last year we might come back to Ross.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
We had the worst phone quality ever and then it
disappeared completely. So we'll try and get Ross back on.

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
Yep, let's go to Chris. In the meantime, Hey you Chris,
Hi Tyler, how are you very good? We got met
here as well.

Speaker 24 (01:51:58):
Hi mate. Well, I actually grew up in Palmi, did
not know anyone personally, but I was aware of who
that person is and we had it on talk back
down here in Willington, Wellington today and here I really
don't want to say what thoughts I have. I feel
in some ways the process has happened and he's been

(01:52:20):
allowed out. But like your earlier caller when she was
talking about was it her family member, from my point
of view, I think we're forgetting the biggest factor aside
from that man, there is a family. After all these years,
they're still grieving for their daughter, their sister, their auntie,

(01:52:42):
their niece, and their grandchild. That's the best I can say.
They've they've had a living here. They go in a
living hell, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
Absolutely? Absolutely?

Speaker 24 (01:52:56):
And so I don't want to I don't want to
waste any energy on that man. Sorry. You know, the
process has happened, you know, I due process with you
want to acknowl that or not, but those those are
the people that are my thoughts today. Okay, Christine and
Amber's family not well.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
Good on you, Chris, Thanks, thank you for your cool
thanks for sharing that.

Speaker 3 (01:53:19):
Yeah, thank you very much. And a lot of people
would feel the same as you. Chris.

Speaker 23 (01:53:23):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number of core.
I think we've got Ross pick but we'll have a
chat to him after the break. It is ten to four, the.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
Big stories, the big issues, to the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
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Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
Be very good afternoon to you, Ross. We've got you back.

Speaker 14 (01:53:44):
Sorry about that, guys, that's not sure how much you
But I say my opinion knows not whether he's guilty
or not. I can't actually remember the case. Really, I
wasn't one of the twelve with the even unpresented to
say where you're guilty or not. He's Damer's time. But
what I was trying to my point was I wasn't
brought to the mead as the attention that he was
getting released today and he was released in the middle

(01:54:06):
of the night, taken to wherever integrate them too the public,
how many people they actually know people will past me. Now,
I wouldn't know them. Just someone else got pass on
the street and it was like, I don't know how
many other people will be the same.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
I find him. Maybe I've looked into the case too much, Ross,
but I find them quite distinctive.

Speaker 3 (01:54:26):
Yeah, I would recognize them. But as a good point,
I mean, we're both in the media. We follow the
news very close to cases.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
When he was last out, when you know the case
was being looked at again, he was hanging around in
Auckland and a friend of mine was jogging and ran
past them and then he called me and said, I
just ran past Mark Lundy. Yeah, so some people there.

Speaker 14 (01:54:46):
Were people out there that will definitely recognize them. But
how many people if they didn't know that he was
released today and the photo wasn't release of how he
is now, would actually know it was him.

Speaker 5 (01:54:56):
But there is people that well.

Speaker 14 (01:54:58):
But there's probably a lot of people there.

Speaker 24 (01:55:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:55:01):
And so with all that said, Ross, you reckon leave
them alone?

Speaker 14 (01:55:04):
Yeah, I think leave him alone. He's done the time
that the system found them guilty of in the time,
and the prole war was not that easy to get out.
As the previous call that said I've been through, not personally,
but I have family members that have been through the system,
and yeah, it's not an easy thing to get out.
So it's obviously jumped through the hopes he said to

(01:55:27):
done the time that's been presented to him. Whether it's
guilty or not, it's not my opinion. Yeah, so I
think shouldn't leave him alone now. Yeah, but I do
feel sorry for the family involved with with the BOFE
and the kids and stuff obviously, But whether it's home
or not, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:55:44):
My opinions I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
Yes, Well, thank you so much for you call. Russ.
Really appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a really
complicated thing, certainly it is, and one of those things
that sits solidly in the gray area.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
Yeah, but appreciate your thoughts. And there'll be more to
come on this particular story with Heather Deplee Ellen coming up,
but that is us for another day.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
Yeah, thank you all greatness is for listening to us
with a great time. The Met and Tile Afternoons podcast
will be out in about an hour if you missed
our excellent chats on whether our native fauna are more
important than humans. The Pope selection process and whether we
should leave Mark Lundy alone or not. The fabulous here
the Duplesland is up after the news. That's all from

(01:56:26):
us until tomorrow. Wherever you are, whatever you're doing for
the rest of the day, give him a taste of kicking.

Speaker 3 (01:56:31):
See it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:05):
Mathan Tyler Adams. For more from newstalkseet B listen live
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