Full Show Podcast: 19 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show Podcast number one four nine for Thursday
of the nineteenth of June twenty twenty five. Incredible show today.
There's two podcasts out today, including an extended version of
our interview with the key we undersea adventurer Rob McCallum
and talking about his attempts to stop the Titan Ocean

(00:40):
Gate submersible from going under and killing the people that
it ended up doing. And that's a fantastic chat, so
go and listen to that. There'll be a truncated version
of that interview on this pod, but the full extended
very interesting, I believe version of the podcast is out
as well.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
Absolutely, and had a great discussion about employees ripping off
businesses on the back of a dirty bugger who ripped
off none other than Larnett Castle.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Oh dirty early. I thought one place in New Zealand
was safe. It would have been a castle, Yeah, exactly.
But isn't well. Enjoy the long weekend or whenever you
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Speaker 4 (01:37):
Good afternoon to you. Welcome into today's show. Thursday, that
is technically a Friday for a lot of people out there,
long weekend ahead of us, and it is great to
have your company as always.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Good a Matt get A, Tyler God you great New Zealanders. Yea,
We've put together a pretty special show today. I'm very
excited about the interview that we've got at the end
of the show.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
That is an absolute doozy. So just before we get
to that interview, after three o'clock, sorry, after three thirty,
we're gonna have the New Zealander of the Week. We
usually do that on a Friday, but because it's a
long week Ken, we're going to do that at three
point thirty and also have a chat to Scott bar
It ahead of the Super Rugby Final. But the interview
after three o'clock New Zealander Rob McCallum, this guy is incredible.

(02:18):
He's a pioneer in the world of deep ocean diving.
He's led countless journeys to some of the most inaccessible
and awe inspiring places on Earth, including breaking the record
for the deepest dive challenger deep in the Mariana Trench
that's the lowest point on Earth at almost eleven thousand
meters below sea level. He's worked with the likes of
James Cameron. This guy is absolutely amazing. And he was

(02:39):
involved in the early stages of Oceangate and he is
a key voice in the wildly popular Netflix documentary Titan
the Ocean Gate Submercible Disaster, where he shares his attempts
to warn founder Stockton Rush of the immense danger of
that project before the tragic implosion in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
So this is the guy. He saved a lot of lives,
an absolute New Zealand legend, an adventurer. They call him
the Sir edmun Hillary of going Downwards because he's gone
down eleven thousand meters. An incredible human being, but his
work to talk people out of going into the ocean
Gate Titan submersible saved lives, and you know, he tried

(03:17):
to shut the whole thing down, and if only they'd
listened to him, then there'd be people still alive today
that have died.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Yeah, so here's just a little bit of that interview.
We caught up with him a little bit earlier, but
here's a little bit of that.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
I cannot fathom how anybody got into that vehicle twice.
I mean I was literally sitting beside Dave Lockridge in
the theater when we watched the premiere, and when I
heard that sound, I grabbed him by the knee and
I said, how the hell did they do that? I
don't understand how they kept doing that again and again
and again.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
So we're going to play that full interview after three o'clock.
Really looking forward to that after two o'clock. Typically you
might not think drones in the rual sect to go
hand in hand, but the growing technology was center stage
at this year's Field Days. It's revolutionizing farming and fishing.
One of the exhibitors d JI. They are a well
known drone and technology brand. They say they've got three

(04:10):
hundred thousand of its drones that operate globally treating five
hundred million hectares of farmland around the world. That is
incredible and Agricultural Drone Association President Craig Simpson, he has
been in the drone industry here for five years and
he sees when he first started out there were quite
small drones. But in the past twelve to eighteen months,
drones have become a very effective tool in the adoption

(04:31):
rate not just for farmers but everybody is rapidly increasing.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, drones are replacing a lot of things that aircraft
and helicopter used to do. So if you're using drones
and new and interesting ways, we'd love to hear from
your No. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty if you
are operating a drone and you want to discuss talk
of regulation of drones. There's actually even been in discussions

(04:56):
of bringing in licenses, so if you're running a drone,
you have to have a license to do it. But yeah,
drones are changing everything, and we want to talk about
them up to two o'clock.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
But right now, let's have a chat about this. A
former supervisor Atlantic Castle, he stole nearly ninety thousand dollars
from his employer. He says he did it because he
wanted more money. The defendant worked for Larnet Castle Limited
for more than three years and was mainly involved in
online bookings and reservations before being promoted to a supervisor position.
All the while, he was secretly siphoning rather money for

(05:25):
most of his employments. So that's what we want to
have a chat about. I mean, this is so sad
that this has happened to Larnet Castle.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, this is something we do regularly on this show
as a sort of a public service where we highlight
people that have ripped off companies and stolen money, just
so you can look and hear stories of how people
are doing it so you can look out for it
in your own companies in your own life. So yeah,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty have you been ripped

(05:52):
off by someone in your workplace? What were the signs?
And Yeah, we do this about every three months, so
it's always a great chat.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
It is a good PSA. So eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. How did you
dere with somebody who ripped off you or your business?
And the betrayal afterwards? Nine two ninety two, But really,
keen to hear your views on this. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
I took this one personally because I grew up in
the Tago and Larnett Castle loomed heavily on my childhood,
loomed over it. We would go there. I thought about
a lot. I loved going out to Lannet Castle. It's
such a solid building. If fraud and theft can hit
Larnet Castle, it can hit anywhere exactly.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Love to hear how you've dealt with this situation, if
it's happened to you. It is twelve past one.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 6 (06:46):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
There'd be news talks. There'd be very good afternoon chew.
And we're talking about a former employe, a supervisor, who
ripped off Larnet Castle to the tune of nearly ninety
thousand dollars. He worked for Larnet Castle Limited for more
than three years and was mainly involved in online bookings,
but all the while he was secretly siphoning money off
for most of his employments. So if you'll face this

(07:10):
sort of betrayal, if you've had an employee rip you off,
what happened? How did you deal with it?

Speaker 7 (07:14):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (07:15):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, I think it's important to talk about it so
other people can see the signs and you know, hear
the scams and how they work, because it's a huge
problem in New Zealand's sitting. You're sitting our castles. Nobody
is safe, John, Welcome to the show there.

Speaker 8 (07:31):
Hi.

Speaker 9 (07:32):
Look, our story is quite simple. Had a lady trusted
we're builders, she was putting forward the invoices for us
to pay. We didn't have the texts and balances. She
didn't want to have holidays though, and some of the
bills that she would generate were for herself. And this

(07:53):
went on for a couple of years. So in the
end we happened to find out about it, both Floake
Dolk here. As a result of that, we started using
a firm called the Third Degree. Now, what we do
before we employ somebody, we check out their background and
find out have they done it all before? So, like

(08:13):
I said, now we use this outfit called the third Degree,
And now we know because most of these people have
done it all before.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Did the woman that ripped you off? Do you know
if she had done it before?

Speaker 9 (08:25):
Yes, she had done it twice before, but we'd never
done any vetting. She yeah, And it's very common. They
keep on doing it. They keep on doing it. The
other thing about the outfit that we use now is
they're also scans their social media to also see you.
That way, you can see are they bankrupt, have they

(08:45):
got problems? Have they done it before? Kind of thing?
And that was the hard lesson. If you don't vet people,
you don't know what you're getting.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
So, just to go back a second, how did you
find out? What was the what was the moment or what?

Speaker 7 (09:00):
What?

Speaker 2 (09:00):
What enabled you to find out that you were being scammed?

Speaker 9 (09:03):
John, I happened to see a bill and I thought, no, no,
that doesn't make sense. I didn't do that. So rang
the number, and the firm didn't exist because the women
had created the account herself.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Wow, it's amazing that people do it again. So they
do it and then they get caught, and then they
just can't stop themselves.

Speaker 9 (09:24):
That's the most common way, though I've heard is that
they generate invoices, text and balances aren't there to make
sure that they're all valid. And that's what happens. And
these people just keep on doing it time and time again.
They move on and they do it again, they do
it again. That's what happens.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
What was the feeling you had, John, when you found
out she had been ripping you off?

Speaker 10 (09:47):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (09:47):
You just devastated. And then it changes your whole view
of whether or not you should be trusting people. Devastating
and then financial pressure, the stress, and so I'd have
to say, you don't want to take on somebody in
an office if you've not looked at their background. You
just got to know.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
And so did you have a you know, like a
was this person for one of better words? A friend
of yours said, did you have a warm relationship with
this person that ripped you?

Speaker 11 (10:15):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (10:15):
Yes, trusting couple of years. But then, like I said,
when we got into it, we found out that she
had done it all before. Yeah, And so like I said,
all I can suggest is that you got to check
out their background before.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
What was the name of the company you were talking
about that that helps you do that, John.

Speaker 9 (10:33):
It's called the third degree dot co dot in Z Yeah,
and that way you know what you're getting.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for you call John.
I'm sorry that happened to you.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Such a breach of trust, isn't it? And how much
vetting can you you know, I don't know how much
vetting can you do that? It's a genuine question for
business owners out there. You obviously go through the interview
process and you check them out and see what their
HAS three is. But if there is red flags in there,
are they that hard to find at the time?

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah? Well o iight hundred and eighty ten eighty have
you been ripped off? What were the signs? And what
would suggest to other people that to stop at how
for them going forward? It's the subject we do about
every three months on the show because we see it
as a bit of a service, absolutely because it's horrible.
It's horrible being ripped off. And look this one's come

(11:22):
up today. It's a Lannix Castle.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
I know it's a massive problem in New Zealand and
it appears to be happening on a regular basis. So
really keen to hear from you if this has happened
to you, how did you deal with it, What was
the process involved and what happened afterwards? Eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
And did the person if they were doing your accounts,
did they refuse to take holidays? Yeah, because last time
we talked about this it was one of the one
of the signs they never go on holidays and never
let anyone else look at the box. Then that that
can be a bit of a sign that they don't
want to see anyone to see what they're up to.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Nineteen past one.

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Talk z B.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Good afternoon, it's twenty three pass one. Have you been
ripped off by one of your employees? Trusted employees? We're
asking this question because an employee, Atlantic Castle, stole nearly
ninety thousand dollars during his employment over three years. Antonio
bay is his name, and he was promoted to a
supervisor position, but all along he was secretly siphoning money

(13:04):
off for most of his employments.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Well, there you go. My wife, my ex wife, was
making payments from our business, naming the paye the same
way the wages went out, wages, wages, So when I coded,
thought they were running through the payroll. She was cheating
on me too.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Oh wow, okay, that is salt in the wound.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Doesn't sound like a great person. So when she was
making payments for her business, naming the paye the same
way the wages went out, wages, wages, So when I coded,
thought they were running through the payroll.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Wow, hope you took it to the cleanest texter. I
mean that is, if anything, it's good things. She's not
your role wife anymore.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Paul, welcome to the show.

Speaker 11 (13:45):
Are you great?

Speaker 13 (13:46):
Guys?

Speaker 11 (13:47):
I just suggesting that you can do all of eating
you like before you recruit a staff member. But anyone
that's involved in accounts cables, you have to make sure
that he's a manager or a trusted person, that that

(14:09):
that's every invoice before payment.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Right, And how do you know that that's a trusted person?

Speaker 14 (14:16):
What?

Speaker 1 (14:17):
What?

Speaker 10 (14:18):
Well?

Speaker 11 (14:18):
It would be yourself? I mean the difficulty with a
small business person one man or one lady business or
two people or three is that you you've got to
be everything you've got to be. You've got to do
the work, make the widget, or do whatever the services
you provide. But you also have to be the lawyer,

(14:41):
the accountant, the human resource person. You have to understand contracts,
you have to understand employee relations and the and the
last thing you want is for somebody that you've trusted
inside your camp and ends up creating a fictitious invoice

(15:02):
every so often and making a payment to themselves for
something that doesn't exist. It happens, and it happens over
and over again, and you really just have to dedicate
the time to vetting everything yourself, even if you're.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
To bind though, isn't it It's such a bind though,
isn't it poor? Because you know, you're trying to work
on you know, your company, what your company actually does,
and trying to get new business, and you know, to
not have the accounts sorted out and you having to
go through it. Boy, I mean, that's just another thing
that takes you away from the actual job in a
small company.

Speaker 11 (15:39):
Well, no, that's true, but you could, for instance, of
a nighttime make the payments yourself. So get this trusted
person to forward you a copy of the actual invoys
and the clients information, and you make the payment yourself
or your partner or spouse does that as an administrative

(16:03):
function of the business, you know when they can. And
the other risk really in the last few years and
ever so prominent now, no matter how big diffirmers is
the scammers that will infiltrate your emails and account system
and create an invoice where they replicated except the bank

(16:29):
accounts different. And we're talking lawyers, we're talking large real
estate companies, not not small businesses. But large companies that
are being ripped off by hundreds of thousands of dollars
every year.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
What if you could run a system where you it
is well known that you check randomly, there's a random
checking that you do. You know any good time, you
know you do.

Speaker 11 (16:55):
Yeah, I'm sure with AO, I mean I'm retired and
sold my business now. But with AI, I'm sure that
you could have something set up where there's a mechanism
for checking. But I mean, even the banks get called out,
So I think it's challenging. But when you're a small business,

(17:21):
you can't really trust anyone. You have to have a
process in place for making sure that there's a second
trusted person to sign off on the actual invoices and
make the payment. Have that trusted person actually make the payment.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a good point, and it is a
sad state of affairs. But you know, there are a
lot of business owners, small business owners that would be
across all parts of their business because of that very
reason that the trust. Levels of trust might be there,
but they want to make sure that they are across
the accounting, across the what's happening on the ground with
the employees, just in case anything is going to miss

(18:01):
that they hopefully can catch a red flag.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Just before I just jump ahead of the text machine
that's about to destroy you for saying anything anything. They
come in as soon as you say that, well, my company,
one of my companies has just been ripped off. But
it was from a complex overseas hacking situation that the

(18:26):
bank's trying to work out how it happened. And that's
one thing. You are under attack from scams all the time.
And then and they've taken quite a significant amount of
money from our from our one of our you know,
active accounts, you know, and but that's that's a very
different thing, because that's there are evil people in the
world and they're trying to attack you from the outside.
What I think is so painful about these kinds of

(18:47):
situations is that it's someone that you trust. You may
have a relationship with them, you know, not necessarily sexual,
but you've had a you know, they've come around your
house for dinner, you care about their kids, and you've
talked about their family, and then they are the ones
that rip you off. For me, that's for me, that's
much worse than just some evil, you know, faceless monsters.
On the other side of the world, hacking into our account.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
Yeah, that personal betrayal. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. We've got full lines.
If you can't get through, keep trying, but really keen
to hear your stories and what happened in your situation.
It is twenty nine past one.

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Speaker 13 (20:45):
It is King Arthur, and these are my knights of
the Round Table. Whose castle is this?

Speaker 16 (20:50):
This is the castle of my master, Lui de l'amba.

Speaker 13 (20:53):
Go and tell your master that we have been charged
by God with a sacred quest. If he will give
us food and shelter for the night, he can join
us in our quest for the Holy.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Grail well as Kim.

Speaker 16 (21:06):
But I don't think you'll be very keen.

Speaker 17 (21:08):
He's already good one.

Speaker 12 (21:09):
You see.

Speaker 16 (21:10):
What are you sure he's got one?

Speaker 18 (21:13):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (21:13):
Yes, it's paranassa.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
I told him we already got on.

Speaker 13 (21:18):
Well can we come out and have a look? Of course,
not you are English types.

Speaker 16 (21:23):
Well what are you then? I'm French? What do you
think I have this outrageous accent?

Speaker 6 (21:28):
You're silly king? What are you doing in England? Man?

Speaker 16 (21:32):
Your own business?

Speaker 13 (21:33):
If you will not show us the grail, we shall
take your castle by sauce.

Speaker 16 (21:37):
You don't frightnass English pig dogs, go and boil your
bottom sundry silly person. Ah, blow my nose at you
so called ather king. You and early are silly English.

Speaker 17 (21:51):
Can what a strange person? Now look here, my good man,
don't want to talk to you no more, you empty
headed animal food through water? I start in your gender direction.
You're mother was a humpster and your father smelt of alaberry?

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Whether you go? All right? So holy Grail from not
severy five, because we're talking about a former Larnak Castle
supervisor who has admitted stealing ninety thousand dollars by diverting
online booking payments into his own bank accounts over three years.
And if our only castle can be hit by scams,
then who's safe?

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Yeah? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
call if you have been ripped off in your business.
We're really keen to hear your story, what happened and
what happened afterwards as well. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Call Tony, welcome to the show. You had an employee
ripped you off.

Speaker 8 (22:50):
Yeah, hey, guys didn't actually get any money in the end,
but he was the guy was. I become an employer,
got nine people in on staff, and this guy was
an accounts receivable. So basically creating the invoices and just
created a under a bit of financial pressure and personal

(23:10):
life and just created some dummy invoices to pay an entity.
So a company of his if you like, you know
one one man band is sort of a sole trader
of his own under his own name. So because you
had a call or a few calls back to set
about having sort of that two factor authorization, that's what

(23:33):
packed it up. You know, we picked up these two
these two invoices that worked for work. It's in the
service industry that that simply wasn't done. And the outcome
is that, you know, we've now strengthened all that two
factor authentication. I have to authorize all payments, which is
such a pain in the hours, all wages, everything has
to be has to be checked. So it's just added

(23:54):
another another layer of you know, another task to my role.
But you just feel so violated because you're in a
small team like that. You you like and trust everyone,
but that just has to be removed. And we've now
made some changes just around suppliers and what have you.
You know, we're had close relationships and it's just like,

(24:16):
well we can't we can't trust anyone now. So you've
got to have all these checks and balances in place.
But what really got me was that this guy. You know,
you've got to go through the whole disciplinary process once
you discover the evidence, if you like, and you know,
you can't just say we've caught you stealing. You've got
to and you're immediately fired. You've actually got to go

(24:38):
through the whole process. Here's the evidence, you know, this is,
this is what we suspect. Have you got anything to
say for yourself, and they're allowed to have advocates for them,
and blah blah blah. In the end, we just took
them aside and said, look, you know, we've got this
pretty compelling evidence. You know, you're basically called with your
hand in the tell unless you can prove otherwise. You're
out of here. And that was all off the recording.

(24:59):
So the guy chose to resign. But for the next
two or three days this is we did sort of
a bit of a wind up and the handover of
the of the wrong he was like, it was just
no big deal. He said, you know, we didn't didn't
match him upside or anything like that and lock him
out of the building because we couldn't, you know, realistically
do that. But he wanted to sit at the lunch

(25:20):
table with us and have lunch, and it was just
it was just like a normal carry on, no big deal.
And that was like, I was just astonished.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
So do you think he just didn't feel any guilty.
Was a person that was born without empathy and a
sense of responsibility or what? That seems crazy?

Speaker 8 (25:41):
Yeah, I don't know. I just couldn't understand it. And
like I I refused to shake of hand when as
he left, I just averted my gaze and just you know,
you're out of his son, I want nothing more to
do with you. But it was just like he just
you know, it just wasn't an issue that he had
ripped off his or attempted to rip off a really

(26:04):
close colleagues and we were just all just horrified. So
I don't know, I you knows narcisst or lack empathy
or I don't know how we stacks up like psychologically,
but that was what got me. It was just like,
there's no big deal. And again, one of your callers
earlier on is like, just move on to the next one.
I don't know if you woant or not. And the

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thing was because we got this resignation that it wasn't
a termination, so it won't show on his you know,
on his CV if you like, because that was the
easiest way for us to exit him.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Was that I see what he's saying. Yeah, because I've
seen that happen before, just because you need them out
of the company and you want them to go. So
you know, often people will leave a business with a
really good CV just because the previous company just will
do anything to get get rid of them. So then
the next company reads the CV and go O, this
person's amazing.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Was it was it hard to sorry to jump in there?
Was that hard to not follow it up with the
police or you know, some sense of revenge or utu
on on what this guy did.

Speaker 8 (27:10):
Well, you gotta you gotta kind of balance it out,
do you know, what's the what's the least impact on
the company. So, I mean, he didn't get any money
in the end, but but he definitely tried with two
invoices and we took a lot of advice on it
and like attempted what of that test of the servant,
I guess attempted test. Theft to the servant is kind

(27:30):
of a lot lower down the food chain for something
for the police to investigate. In the end, we just
wanted him gone, you know, we wanted to try and
get to recruit a new staff member and just not
There was no no real damage as such as that
you're losing a staff, but you know you're a sill
of role. We just wanted to get on with the process.

(27:51):
So we just accepted a resignation and gave him the
heat home.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Thanks for you, cool, Tony. This business is where is
this text was interesting? This person here we go got
ripped off ten minutes ago. Bakery in the hut. Little
Bastard's got four pis and more drinks.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
Than just ran on that is due.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Well, well, well that's that's a different type of that's
terrible and what a horrible little bastards as you say, yeah,
but yeah, it slightly more brazen than someone I'm setting
up bank accounts and making falsome voice, so.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
That is a head and run situation. But really keen
to check with you? I wait hundred eighty ten eighty.
If you've been betrayed by one of your employees and
they've ripped you off, love to hear from you, and
also the process involved in whether the police followed it up,
and the lessons that you learned after that happened. Really
keen to have a chat. It is nineteen to two.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Man, we've got a hospice that's been ripped off here.
Who would rip off a hospice?

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons nes talk, sa'd
be very.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Good afternoon to you. Has an employee you ripped you off?
How did you deal with it? The betrayal, the process afterwards?
I wait hundred eighty ten eighty. It is on the
back of a story out of Duned and love Castle
has been ripped off by the tune of nearly ninety
thousand dollars from an employer who was siphoning off cash
for more than three years really can never chat with you.
Text here from Christine Rankin. She says, yet, o, guys,

(29:20):
ours was a hospice shop stealing cash for seven point
five years, No one had a clue, destroyed all the
evidence after a change of audit process, then confessed, but
only to what he wanted to disclose. The actual amount
was huge, absolutely devastating for the organization.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
From Christine, how do you rip off the hospice and
not and look at yourself in the mirror in the morning.
I mean stealing from any company you know as terrible,
right obviously? Yeah, and you know, especially the small companies
where you're working with people and you know them, and
these stories that we're hearing, But going and ripping off
a hospice, is there not some part of these people

(29:59):
that just goes, I am going to help I absolute psychopath.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
They must be. There's no other reason for it.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I would find it very hard to say sleep at night. Yeah, obviously, Rob.
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 10 (30:15):
Ye're gooday, guys, well, thank you yourselves very good?

Speaker 4 (30:18):
And what's your thoughts when it comes to employees ripping
off business owners?

Speaker 11 (30:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (30:23):
Just a couple of quick comments are own a business
management company. We've got about forty people across New Zealand
and we specialize in providing advice to SEME business owners.
And my comment would be that unfortunately, most SMEs in
New Zealand, I'd say over eighty percent have really poor
systems when it comes to this, and having poor systems

(30:47):
creates temptation as simple as that. It's possible to have
processes that it's almost impossible to steal. But if you
have slack systems, you create temptation and people will have
a go and that's life.

Speaker 19 (31:01):
Unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, And I guess you know, people start a company,
you know, they're wanting to get clients, they want to
to get going, and then it just gets overwhelming and
they're working really hard and they never really get around
to putting the systems in place.

Speaker 10 (31:15):
I guess absolutely correct. Start as a one man, two
man band. All of a sudden you've got fifteen staff
and you haven't got the processes that you need, from
purchase orders to duel payment systems.

Speaker 19 (31:30):
There's heaps of software.

Speaker 10 (31:32):
That can help you do this. But you know, guys
start businesses, they're really good plumbers and they stay really
good plumbers, you know, and unfortunately they expose themselves.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
How much time do you think it would take for
a person in this kind of the situation you're talking
about there, like a plumber for example, that's just getting
more employees on how much time out of there their
their they're working week would it take to just put
good systems in place? Could you do it in a day?
Could you? Could you turn it around in a day
just those systems in place if.

Speaker 10 (32:00):
You had if you had a reasonable size business and
you didn't have the systems in place, you would be
silly to try and do that self. Get somebody in
to set them up for you, and then once they're
set up, they don't take much time to maintain. It's
not like you've got to spend a day a week
on your admin. You can do your admin in an
hour a week if you've got your right process or someplace.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
Would you recommend ROB because I take it you do
this for a profession, right you advise companies on these elements?
Would you advise the smaller companies to get somebody into
have an audit once a year just to make sure
it's all, you know, going well. When there's no red
flags popping up.

Speaker 10 (32:38):
You wouldn't need it once a year, but you need
somebody in to do an audit and then set it
up for you so that you don't provide temptation.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, it is interesting that rob. So you know you
might run.

Speaker 10 (32:52):
As I mean, society being what it is. If you
employ ten people, two of them will be thieves if
they can get away with it.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Well that's good.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
It's a depressing that's a pressing idea, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (33:06):
But you and also you could life, I'm afraid.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
But also you could be doing all the right things.
Say you are running accounting software and you're coding it,
and you're you're taking that away to save money from
accounting fees or whatever and having your eye over it.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
But then we had that guy that called him before
and his wife that was ripping off was running wages. Wages.
He was going through and coding that and going that's
just just wages, you know.

Speaker 10 (33:32):
So no, because you can have systems that prevent that,
you know, from purchase orders to guys log their own hours,
so therefore they're creating their own time. So the wages
Clark can't dev eight from what's been recorded on there's lots.
I don't want to go on and on, but you
can prevent you can prevent all of it.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah, Rob really want to. Yeah, Rob, really great to
get your expertise. Thanks for giving us a buzz cheers.
But oh eight hundred.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Maddies Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty.
It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
News TALKSB. We're talking about employees that have ripped you
off in your business A PSA, because it's happening more
and more often. What lessons did you learn? Well, how
did it happen? What was the process involved? Loved eag
your stories on O eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I've just looked up this Topoor hospice trust manager emitting
stealing six thousand dollars from the opshop takings. That is
that is not phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Wow, How horrible of you human being? Do you need
to be to steal from a hospice?

Speaker 2 (34:42):
So it started off taking one hundred weeks, and it
was one hundred and fifty a week, two hundred a week,
two fifty a week, and then have sixty two thousan
six hundred dollars he stole from a hospice. This guy,
I'm not gonna have a go out pronouncing his name
mark Whenuski, Mark, Whenwski.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
You can't go stealing from a hospice. That's as low
as you can get, isn't it. There's plenty of texts
coming through. We'll get to a couple of those shortly. Joe,
you got ripped off?

Speaker 9 (35:07):
Hi, Yes we did.

Speaker 7 (35:09):
Yes.

Speaker 20 (35:10):
So we had an employee worked for us for nearly
ten years. He decided to go out and do his
own thing, which was fine, We're like really encouraging towards that.
I'm you know, go and join the business owner's worldship.
And then it was probably about a month until after

(35:30):
year left, I got a phone call from a client
saying that he needed us to move a machinery that
we've got for him in the past. I was like, yep, sweet,
we can do that. What's the name of the company,
blah blah blah.

Speaker 18 (35:45):
Looked it up.

Speaker 20 (35:45):
I was like, oh, I don't have an invoice for you.
I'll have to rescind it.

Speaker 10 (35:50):
So, oh no.

Speaker 20 (35:51):
I paid this back in April and I was like, oh, okay,
I start, Can you just email me the invoice so
that I can We'll check that I've put it under
the right name or whatever. And he was like, yep, yep, yep.
And I got the invoice and I was like, hang
on a minute, this is not us. Our name had everything,

(36:11):
but the bank account was different, and it was like, well,
what the hell was going on here? And then our
general manager got another one the same day about well, no,
twenty minutes later. It was like, and so what he
was doing was he was making up fake invoices just
through word and had all our details, our gest number,

(36:33):
our name of our company, our address. They had his
bank account number at the bottom. And they were clients
that had near that we had never worked for so
they before, so they had never seen our invoice, the
real invoice going out to them. And so we did
some diving into where he was and what it was doing,

(36:57):
and came out to be just over four hundred thousand.
And by the time you added the wages, because I
paid wages I paid. He used subcontractors, so I played
the some contractors, I played Ferry crossings, I played for hotels.
He was just pocketing it all, absolutely every cent.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
And did you manage to get that money back and
return it to the people that should have had it.

Speaker 20 (37:26):
No, no, it was so we took him, took it
to the place the police arrested him. After they'd done
the investigation and everything like that. He tried to deny
it to the police and they're like, well, that's a
bit stupid because we've got evidence here and this is
your bank account number, and we've been to your bank,

(37:47):
and then went to court. Took nearly probably close to
a year before he was prosecuted. He had to pay
us back seventy thousand upfront, which he said he had saved,
and I was like, yeah, okay, that's actually our money
that you have pocketed, but never mind. And he has
to pay seven hundred dollars a week for an five years,

(38:09):
but he will be around just over one hundred thousand short.
So I don't quite know what happens there. And the
police we were going for jail time because we were okay, whatever,
it would be great to have money, but we want
him in jail. The judge was very lenient and he
got nine months home to tension, but still could go

(38:32):
out and work every day.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Joe, I'm so sorry. That happened to you. What a
devastating thing to have to face.

Speaker 20 (38:40):
The worst part and this is what absolutely throws me
to even think he could do this was my husband
had actually been in a very nasty accident. So he
started when my husband was in an inducing Oh man.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Joe, I'm so sorry to hear that. How devastating.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
That is not a good person.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
Absolute scumbags. New Sport and Weather on its way. You're
listening to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons News Dogs.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
It'd be very good afternoons. You welcome into the program.
Great to have your company. As always, we had such
an outpouring of stories about being ripped off by business
as it was of course on the back of Larnak
Castle and employee rip them off to the tune of
ninety thousand dollars to Lara Castle.

Speaker 19 (39:32):
Tyler.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
I have not, and I'm ashamed to say that it's a.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Very cool place. I mean, I always worry when people
from let's say Scotland or Germany or tourists from the
UK come over here and we go come out and
see our castle and they go, well, Is that a
castle or is that just a pretty flashouse with some
turrets on the side.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
Pretty hard to compete with Europe.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
It's not from the Norman era, you know, it's not.
It's not some of the incredible castles that you see
over there. But it's a very cool building that's got
a fantastic tragic story about it. But this dirty dog
that's stolen eighty six thousand dollars from them. Yeah, just
shows you that anywhere is susceptible to fraud.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Yep, no one is safe. A couple of texts here, guys.
We had a manager running our business unaware to us.
She got customers to deposit money into her own personal
bank account. When she became aware we were investigating this,
she quit. We took it to the police, who said
it was stealing and would give her a warning. She
then had the cheek to go for a personal grievance,
which we are still dealing with and six months later

(40:35):
are still trying to say it was never the business money.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Hey, Tyler and Matt, there is a new Zealand made
software that detects mistakes aras in fraud before instructing your
bank to pay employees and suppliers. The software is all
about prevention. I think New Zealand business leaders believe financial
fraud won't happen to their organization, so taking a preventative
approach is not normal yet the obvious thing to do.
If any of your listeners are interested in knowing more,

(41:00):
here is the website vigilantpay dot com.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
Thanks for that, Ray, Yeah, very good, and thank you
to everybody who texts through as well.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
A couple more we had a security manager and a
log organization who was a retired police officer. He explained
that in today's world, whether we like it or not,
we are faced with a situation where ten percent of
the population are honest and never steal, ten percent of
the population are thieves and steel all the time. The
remaining eighty percent will help themselves if you make it
easy for them. It's a depressing stat Yeah, this is

(41:31):
simply confirming what your recent interview specialists stated. So what
ten percent of the population will never steal? Would you
ever steal?

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Tailand no? Hell no?

Speaker 2 (41:41):
A ten percent of the population are thieves and steel
all the time, and eighty percent are just looking for
an opportunity.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
That is sad, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I don't know about that. That seems that seems pretty depressing.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Ninety percent of my friends and family are thieves. I
don't know. Thank you very much to everybody who phoned
and called on that. One great discussion and a good
PSA because, as we said, it is happening on a
more common basis and some of these employees absolute betrayal,
but they are very tricky with how they try and
get away with it. Right now, let's have a chat

(42:16):
about drones. This is going to be a fascinating chat.
So drones. You might not think drones in the rural
sector go hand in hand, but the technology was center
stage at this year's Field Days where they are revolutionizing farming, fishing, hunting.
The list goes on. So according to exhibitor DJI Agriculture, DGI,
of course is a big drone manufacturer and technology company.

(42:38):
They have over three hundred thousand of its drones operating globally,
treating five hundred million hectares of farmland around the world.
That is incredible and by all accounts, they had a
lot of interest in their exhibit a Field Days.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yes, so are you using drones in your business where
you weren't before? Because we're getting a lot of text
through on nineteen ninety two of interesting ways people are
using drones. So I mean, look, I don't know much
about rural drones, but I did see Clarkson's farm and
he had a drone that had a barking dog on
it and he tried to hurt his sheep with the drone.

(43:13):
But he's useless at farming, so he didn't do a
great job of it. But there's there. They're everywhere now,
aren't they. There's so many different utilities for them. And
it'll just be interested to hear from people that are
in the you know, the chopper industry and in the
you know, the plane industry, whether you're being replaced by
drones or what can you do that drones can't do?

(43:35):
Because if it gets to the point where drones can
you know, sprinkle the fertilizer around, spray the crops, Yeah,
then I mean that takes a whole part out of
the business. I guess there's there's there's a safety advantage
in that, because we do have a terrible problem in
New Zealand with choppers accidents and rural accidents with choppers,
don't we.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Yeah, But the technology is pretty incredible. And certainly you
hear of some vineyards using drones when there's a frost
to warm up the vines, and fishermen are using drones
more and more to take their line out. If you
are a surf custer, you can just instead of flinging
the rod as far as you can go out to
the ocean. They just attached the line to the drone

(44:16):
send it out to see.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Okay, I'm getting a lot of hate for questioning that
stat that said that ten percent of people are honest,
ten percent of people are thieving all the time. At
eighty percent is just looking for the chance. Ex police officer,
that status correct, That status correct. I have also seen
that stat and I can assure you that it's correct.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
So how depressing. Eighty percent of us are potential thief.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
So I'm just looking around here. So is Andrew's thieving
out there? And he's just stuck down.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
He's stuck down. He might have taken some post it
notes in his time. He's a pretty moral character though, Andrew.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah, someone is hosking a thief because my staple keeps
going missing over here. So is Mike costing in the
eighty percent that steals.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
Things highly suspect. Yeah, he'd be a hot contender, I think.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Because when my staple keeps going missing and it keeps
getting replaced with the sort of cream staple here.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Actually, now I remember of it, there was a beautiful
fountain pin that was down there, and I grabbed that
and said, oh, that's a nice pin. I wouldn't mind that,
and started to put it in my bag, and then
you said, that's that's toim beverage pin. You can't have
that pin.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
I say, leave that pin alone, because because that's a
part of dishonesty in the workplace, people just grabbing pins.
But if it's a fountain pin like that, like beverage,
a special fountain pin, you cannot be grabbing that.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
But you told me, and I had to sit there
and say, yeah, you're quite right. I can't be stealing
toon beveridges fountain pin. But one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call if you're utilizing drones
and your business on your farm, or if you're just
an amateur drone operator. Love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
As Texa says, my dad uses a drone to mustross sheep.
It's just as good, if not better than a dog.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
Impressive. I'd love to see that.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
But you know, can it you know? Is it your
best friend?

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Can you pat its head?

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Does it keep your warm at night?

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah? Well so. Edward and Hardy's Roofing use drones to
spray roofs and clean buildings. So are you using a
drone and an eight hundred eighty ten eighty or is
your job under threat from a drone? And what do
you think about calls to licensed drones?

Speaker 4 (46:15):
It is fourteen past two.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams
afternoons call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty used talk.

Speaker 6 (46:25):
Said be.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
It is sixteen past two and we're talking about drone technology.
It was front and center at this year's field Day's DJI,
which is a big drone manufacturer technology company. They say
they've got three hundred thousand of its drones operating globally,
treating five hundred million hectares of farmland around the world,
and they were trying to sell it to our rural
community and farmers. But not just farmers, it's used in fishing,

(46:52):
hunting businesses. We're getting a lot of texts from building
companies and roofing companies that use drones to help the
job go along. So if that is you'd love to
hear from you on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. And
if you're just an amateur drone flyer, what is the
appeal of it? What sort of drone have you got?
What's the spons that you get from people? Really can
to have a chat with you.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, this says, hey, guys, you stated that there is
a big problem with helicopters in the agricultural industry. Please elaborate.
I'm interested in what you base your statement on, well
a basement statement on just news articles this one here,
this tragic accident in the Hawk's Bay with a rural helicopter.
I think you know, I think it's it's well known
that we've had our fair share of rural helicopter accident. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
Absolutely, If you want to send a text, nine two
nine two. But oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call, Nicholas. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 14 (47:46):
Well?

Speaker 6 (47:46):
Too bad?

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Yourself very good? So do you use drone technology here?

Speaker 8 (47:51):
We do.

Speaker 18 (47:51):
So we're a drone operator down in South and using
the new big spray drones. And are also doing a
lotless drones for measuring parstia cover on dairy parts.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Far out and so this is your company is specifically
contracted out to far arms to operate these drones, or
you're a farmer yourself.

Speaker 9 (48:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (48:12):
So we're purely yeah, purely, purely agriculture based. So we
do have a family farm in the south grew up
down here in western Southland. But still the potential for
this technology and how how much it can do and
help efficiently it can do it.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
Basically, so, what.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
What kind of drones are these that you're running, if
they're if they're taking carrying such such big payloads.

Speaker 18 (48:37):
Yeah, so we run the the j I C G
I aggresses, which are the spray drones and the spreading drones.
And our main focus for what we're doing is we
actually focus on weed mapping and spot spraying, so not
necessarily the big blanket jobs, but more focusing on mapping terrain,

(48:57):
finding out all the weeds are, especially gorse and broom,
and then chasing after it with age rone and our
main competition is probably more the hose and real operator Okay, yeah,
just with our efficiency and accessibility to really steep horrible terrain,
which would be pretty pretty tough to get a hot on.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Next step up to, so can you describe what your
drones look like? Their chopper drones right there, they're blade drones.

Speaker 18 (49:27):
Yeah, So the we've got to we've got two different
types of drinks. We've got a quad copter, which is
kind of your standard drone configuration, and then we're our
bigger drones and opticopter. Believes it's got eight motors, so
two on each arm, one upper, one lower, and sixteen
sixteen propellers on it. So it's quite quite a big machine. Yeah,

(49:52):
certainly wouldn't want to question.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
How long can they how long can that stay up
at a time?

Speaker 18 (50:00):
Nicholas, So it seems like you're doing so water. If
you're doing a really high water rate, you might get
three loads out of a battery, or if you're doing
really low water rate smoke, you're one loads. It kind
of ten minutes is usually a good kind of middle ground.

(50:20):
You might be able to extend that a lot longer
if you're taking off with not a full load, or
if you're taking off of really full loads and you're
doing a lot of traveler, you're doing a lot of
dead flying, so you're flying from the loading point to
the job, you're going to really chow up your battery
a lot quicker. So yeah, it takes a bit, takes
a good of management, but we're all about ten minutes usually.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
So you send it out and you identify what needs
to be sprayed using the camera.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
I guess, yeah.

Speaker 18 (50:48):
So a lot of the time with what we do
is we're coming with a little drone which actually maps
the area face. It creates almost like a Google satellite view,
really high quality, and we actually create a proper detailed
spray plant for that area, especially when it comes to
spot spraying individual week, for for your general blankets, spraying

(51:11):
for your crops and whatnot. What what you do is
you fly. You either fly the drone around the outside
of the boundary or the paddict to mark it out,
or simply you dropped. You drop the boundary on the
map on your control with far so then you just
automatic right.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Right, I see right? And what about so so you
know military jones, I guess what's a better word. I'm
trying to think of the word described. You know, you've
got chop the jones and ones that are that that
are more like gliding Jones. Is that is that part
of yeah?

Speaker 18 (51:43):
Fixed wing? Yeah, fox wings.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah, is that a practical thing for for you know,
carrying big loads and spraying large areas or or you know, drop.

Speaker 18 (51:55):
There is Yeah, six wing drones at the moment are
really practical for that unless they're really big, really large.
The problem with that is that if you've got a big,
large fix wing drone for you know, for spraying and
spreading where you need to near a runway, right, yeah,

(52:15):
you know, so we're compared to a quite a drone
where you can pretty much set up right beside the
paddock and be on site, you know, and take austratically. Yeah,
helicopters are probably taken you know when there used to
be aeroplanes and then helicopter's coming to the picture, and
and then helicopters took over from aeroplanes and now yeah,
don't see it too too long before drones are starting

(52:38):
to take a lot of work from the helicopter.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
So so the sort of drone that you're using, would
that be similar similar to some of the drones they
use the Vita culture when there's been a big frost
to you know, to to put some ear pressure over
the vines and and melt that frost.

Speaker 18 (52:55):
I haven't I haven't got too much experience that down
western Southland not really not really the place we grow great,
but yeah, I mean that is I know of cases
where they have been used up in central Target. But
I think you do need quite a lot of quite
a lot of drones to mash the famous set that

(53:17):
a helicopter, wood or a sand would. Yeah, but yeah,
definitely as they get bigger, they definitely will they. Yeah,
they had quite a lot of downdrafts already, got the
blower blow a toddler over the top of things because
the actually because that that's actually part of their that's
how they actually spray paddicts because they need to spread
the chemical out circauin distance, so they have a six

(53:39):
meter swath, and drones actually do that by manipulating the
down force of the ear coming out of the drones,
coming off the propellers to help spread that chemical out
and actually effectively spray the crops.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yes, and how much how much is and how much
you're paying for one of these opticopter drones opt drone?

Speaker 18 (54:01):
Yeah, you're trying, you probably you're looking you're looking at
about we're in the twenty thousand dollars mark just or
the drone, and then once you throw on batteries, and
then you're throwing your three batteries, and then the setup
that you need trailers and mixing tanks for all your
chemicals and fresh water, and then all your qualifications, the
fly the things you're getting well into the hundreds of

(54:24):
thousands to actually get a fully functional set up. Going, Yeah,
there's a lot. There's a lot involved with it. And
I get a lot of farmers that say they are
thinking about buying one, but it's not as simple as
just buying a drone. Where you're going, there's one thing
you're going to do is an aerial chemical applicator certificate

(54:45):
because you are applying chemical areily and that has a
lot of variables. And the last thing you want to
do is take out a multimillion dollar Vinyard road. You
are very safe with the chymical applications. So it's exc
the same as what I how got the pilot would
have to do, you know there is it's not just

(55:05):
as simple as buying a drone against rain.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for you call Nicholas.
It's interesting stuff.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
It's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Certainly looks futuristic when you see them flying around paddocks.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
Yeah, absolutely does. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you use drones and your business, love to hear
from you. It is twenty five past two.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah, and we've got some helicopter fans that are they're fighting, fighting,
fighting the camp of the helicopters against the drones.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
How much Come on through.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk ZB, Very.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
Good afternoon, having having no fascinating chat about drone use
in businesses around New Zealand. It is becoming more and
more common in the rural sector, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
In other sectors as well. I'm looking at this this
video here from Cali Commercial Drone Solutions. So they're just spraying.
So do as I say, do away with that expensive
scaffolding quote along with the nasty moss molden lichen. So
I've got these precision drones just flying up and spraying,
spraying the roofs of buildings.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
A fun job as well, wouldn't it just be that
drone operator?

Speaker 6 (56:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Well, I mean and also you can just you can
just log it out. So you just as Nicholas was
saying before, So you take a shot from above and
then the zone. Then the drone can just track what
it has to do, and then you just press go
and it just goes back and forth and sprays it
as opposed to you know, scaffolding and ladders and people

(56:34):
being up there and sliding around.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Yeah, from a cost point of view, it is hard
for helicopters to keep up. But there's a few texts.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Although this shopper says, one second, here we go. Helicopters
more expensive, but ten times quicker, which works out cheaper.
Took us twenty minutes to wet and forget an entire
building with around one two hundred liters applied from Robbie
forty four. A drone would take days. There you go.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
So the helicopters are still doing a good job. Get
a Graham very goods Now you use drones in your business?

Speaker 19 (57:11):
Yeah, well, primately I've got one with me. I care
all the time I leaving the scene. There's so many
applications in so many different industries, and there's a human race.
We should embrace it, you know, we should be teaching
our kids out of fly drones. We just have to
absolutely embrace the technology because it's there and it is
so beneficial to.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
All that we do. How do you use your drones?
Grind Graham describe the functionality.

Speaker 19 (57:33):
Why personally for sort of the film. But my one
is I run events and I'm always doing help the
seety diagrams, site diagrams and road mapping diagrams, building diagrams
and that stuff is quite hard to acquire. But I've
got I've got a drone in my in my settel.
I pull it out, I put it up, I get
all the photography I need. It's all close and you know,

(57:54):
I'm closed traffic flowing people and everything, and it's just invaluable.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
And the type of drome that you use, Graham, I
imagined it's a bit smaller than Nicholas who called before.

Speaker 19 (58:04):
But yeah, yeah, but I do bidowns as well. I've
had quite a bit of experiences. I do a lot
of or we do a lot of film works, so
we do get the big industrial drones. And actually quite
a few of the pilots that used to work in
the film industry now work in agg because it's so
valuable an egg and you know all the claimers. I'm
sure you're listening to this, but you have to take
it on. You know, like the price of getting a

(58:25):
helicopters the price of a throne, and it does exactly
what you wanted to do, the program and it goes
without business. You know, they're amazing.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
So the former industry was obviously hiring a lot of
helicopters with the gyroscopic amounts for cameras and.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Getting in camera yeah yeah, and getting amotography.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Yeah, and getting incredible, credible shots. So is that industry
taking a bit of a hurt in your experience?

Speaker 18 (58:51):
Oh?

Speaker 19 (58:51):
No, it is growing across the board all that stuff
that's happened. But you know, I think you've just got
to take that helicopter and shrink it down and go,
you know what are all these things we can do
in the close regions that don't require as enormous big helicopter,
you know, an acreage And you know, the thing to
remember about drones is you can you can fly a
drone and a building around people. Yeah, they have FTV drones,

(59:13):
which are you know, the voters are fully encompassed, and
you can you can fly them in a crowd of people.
And then you've got a bigger drones like what I have,
which is you wouldn't want to cruise it into people,
but it could and it wouldn't matter. I get it
sticking trees quite offense manute in certain positions. And then
you go into the film ones, which is the bigger
ones where you know you're unwiding humut of slight case

(59:35):
plugging and apply for fifteen twenty minutes, you know. And
then you get into the big agriculture ones. And actually
that's why're talking drones. You've got to look at what
they do internationally and countries where transport and delivery and
moving people around. Talent they just for this pharmaceuticals with drones,
those six wing drones they stind out and they do

(59:56):
aerial drops with medicine and food supplies and all that.
But this technology is amazing. We've benefited so much.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I mean there must still be a place for helicopters
with the drive Scott's gyroscope amounts in terms of intense
weather conditions. I mean, drones can get blown around a
lot and you won't get a great shot.

Speaker 21 (01:00:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:00:18):
Well, I think on this industry and I think that
that as a population we should learn from the fullest
capacity and benefit what we do. We should reduce. We
can reduce so many things by using smart transport and
smart technology, and drones are definitely fall in that category.

Speaker 22 (01:00:37):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:00:37):
The hard part with drones and who ends up with
them in their hands because they are damaging, they do
cause accidents and reduced over the years. I mean, I
remember people getting lateration from ruders and we obviously can't
find them out the left, and we have real strict guidelines,
healthy threaty guidelines with web drones. But you know they've
become a pretty safe economical product nowadays.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Yeah, thanks so much for your cool Graham.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
It's interesting stuff, very fascinating.

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Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Thank you very much, Raylan, and we're talking about the
increase of using drones and businesses and industries across New Zealand.
It was big at Field Days, but it's not just
the rural sector. It is across the board the utilization
of this technology. And if that is you love to
hear from you on one hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Hayley, Welcome the show. What are you? How are you
operating drones?

Speaker 18 (01:02:53):
So?

Speaker 14 (01:02:54):
I worked for news media and we use drones quite
a bit in our industry just for basically to get
pictures for news stories and things like that. But yeah,
we all all of our operators are certified one oh
one pilots, which is the basic certification, and then there's

(01:03:15):
a one O two which are four more experienced pilots.
But there's also like there's something called Airshare which you
whenever you fly a drone, you should be going onto
Airshare and logging your flight. And then that also tells
you if you're in the airspace of any aerodromes, so airports, helicopters,

(01:03:37):
and you have to call and if you are in
one of those flight paths, a lot of the time
you may not be able to fly there. And then
if you can fly there, there's certain places that you
have to call up and just let them know that
you are going to be flying from their airspace. But

(01:03:57):
there's a lot of people that just buy, go and
buy a drone and then they go and fly it,
and they have no idea what they're doing, and that's
really dangerous because you know, they're actually breaking the CIA regulations.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
So the CIA regulation started a certain weight of drone.

Speaker 14 (01:04:17):
Yeah they do, Yes, they do. I think it's over
eight hundred gram So it's not you know, even the
small drones are actually regulated or should be, you know,
like you should actually know what you're doing when you're
flying them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
How heavy are your drones that you're flying, Hailey.

Speaker 14 (01:04:35):
They're pretty small. They're sort of where the biggest drone
we would fly would be a Phantom for which is
probably a couple of kgs and then but most of
them are quite small. And so like the DJI air
threes and things like that, those drones there. But yeah,
I mean, I just think that you shouldn't just be

(01:04:56):
able to go and buy one some you know, a
Harvey Norman or or a no Leming and just put
it up and fly it, because.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Just so you don't think, you don't think any size
should be just be able to be bought as a
as a toy.

Speaker 14 (01:05:11):
No, no, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
Now fair enough. And so the one oh one drone
certificate that you had to do with certification, what was
involved in that.

Speaker 14 (01:05:21):
So it's basically doing theory and a theory information about
how you should be flying a drone, what a shielded
operation is, which is basically you've got something that's going
to stop the drone from heading anything like you know,
buildings and things like that. And also you do like

(01:05:46):
a theory where you actually fly the drone and you're
examined by an examiner who's just checking out that you're
in full control and you know what you're doing right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Well, thank you so much for your insights there, Haley.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
No, I mean that's a it's a big take, but
no sale of amateur drones. And clearly Haley is in
the business. She's done his certific certification. You know, she
is well qualified to that include.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
As my dad loves flying the remote control aircraft. Would
you have conclude that probably not.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
Yeah, I'd let that slide under the radar because I
don't think that's as dangerous, you know, in terms of
getting in the way of helicopters. Or yeah it is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
I mean people are often flying those remote control planes.
They're very, very cool. My dad's got a huge collection
of them. But and then you just lose connection to
them and they'll just fly off into the distance. And
some of them are you know, some of them are
gas powered, they're not battery powered. And those guys, those
guys can go for a while, so they're remote control.
And I've been with my dad when once just disappeared

(01:06:48):
and it's just going over some pine trees of miles
in the distance, so they could do some stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
There's another plane going, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
There's a remote control plane runway like airport that's out
on the tiree planes just outside DNED.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
That is cool.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Yeah, that is very cool. And when you're out there,
you have to wait before we go out and pull
out onto the runway and take off. It's awful.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
I love that. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to court if you use drones and your business.
Are an amateur flyer, were keen to check to you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Yeah, we're getting a few texts on how drones are
being used in life saving at the beaches, so I'd
love to hear from anyone that knows any details of
how that works.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
Yep, it is eighteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 6 (01:07:32):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
Be It is a quarter to three and we're talking
about the use of drone technology in many types of industries,
rural but also construction and amateur drone operators as well.
Love to hear from you on oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. Now we mentioned before are they used in
life saving or surf life saving situations? And man who

(01:07:55):
got in contact is the former head of water safety
in New Zealand, Daniel Gerard get A, Daniel.

Speaker 10 (01:08:01):
Shure it out.

Speaker 23 (01:08:01):
Good guys, how are you very good?

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Thanks? So how are our drones being used in surf
life saving?

Speaker 23 (01:08:08):
Yeah, there's a number of applications and it's the technology.
Technology is growing quicker and quicker by the day. But
in essence they are either being sent out to drop
a rescue tube or some sort of rescue equipment. One
somebody has identified in trouble. Their aspirations obviously is the
drones grow in size that they may well be able

(01:08:29):
to write out people, but that's probably in the future.
But there's a lot of AI being used around pool safety,
where cameras within indoor pool facilities. I think there's one
down in chrostu Che actually using it now use face
recognition to identify faces that look like they are in
trouble and can alert lifeguards. Now the extension of that

(01:08:51):
is that that can be done by a drone, So
the AI connects directly to the drone and the drone
drops a rescue piece, piece of rescue equipment out to
the panicked person. So these things are being used. Israel
is one country very advanced and it's technology around drones
that's that's currently using both for good and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
What about throwing up a drone so you can have
you know, a good view of the whole area that
people are swimming or surfing in. Is it used in
that way?

Speaker 21 (01:09:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:09:20):
Indeed here in Auckland they send them, so I think
Vessel's Beach have access to some that they send around
to identify how many rock fishermen and fisher women are
out at any point in time and help assess the
conditions so you know, if it's a dodgy day, they
know that there's some people rock fishing, they can send

(01:09:40):
a lifeguard around to perhaps have a chat.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
It's interesting the idea that you would look at someone's
face to see if they're distressed, because when I need
to do a number two, my partner will often say
to me, what's wrong. You look distressed, and I said, well,
I can't be bothered walking up the stairs yet to
get to sort out my business.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
So you are kind of distressed at their point as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
But I guess, I guess it's what screaming and yelling
and your head bopping up and down.

Speaker 23 (01:10:05):
Yeah, there's a number of number of dedicators, and actually
clearly extended periods of time under the water is also
another indicator that perhaps things are not right. So there
is the technology now being used to do that in
control Paul environments and to a limited extent and out
in wider beach.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
Yeah. And the peace of mind for those life savers
as well, Daniel, you know, because I imagine in that
job they all know it that it can be very
difficult to spot someone out in the water who may
be getting into trouble, and there's only so many of them.

Speaker 11 (01:10:34):
They have.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
That bird's eye view, you know, is an incredible safety
aspect that they can utilize.

Speaker 23 (01:10:41):
Yeah, no question at or having another set of eyes
that's on almost twenty four seven whenever the patrols there.
We can Yeah, clearly see some big benefits in utilizing
technology in that way.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Yeah, brilliant. Well, thank you so much for you Cole.
Appreciate that. That's very interesting stuff. Yeah, I'm just watching
a video from keeping Eden Park up a scratch and
of course Eating Park's a very difficult place to deal
with with the high roofs and the different level of things.
So they've got a drone going around blasting the place
with wit and forget.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
Ye, it is a good use of a drone.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
I mean, you know the difference between hanging off things
and ladders and scaffolding that you'd need to do the
whole in park to stop it getting absolutely riddled with lichen.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Yeah, massive timesaver. Yeah yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. We're going to
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Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
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Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
Very good afternoons due it's eight to three and having
a great discussion about drone technology and business and amateur
as well for that matter.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Got a lot of texts coming through on nine two
nine two asking for the rules. Well, you can find
them at aviation dot, GUVT dot n z's just basically
I'll read you some of it. When flying unmanned aircraft,
you need to follow the Part one oh one rules.
If you aren't able to follow the rules outlined below,
you must apply for a Part one oh two certificate
here the rules. Before you fly, aircraft must not exceed

(01:12:10):
twenty five kgs. You must take steps to minimize hazards
to people, probably in other aircraft. Only fly during daylight, right,
give way too, and remain clear of manned aircraft. That
makes sense that it makes sense. You must be able
to see your unmanned aircraft with your own eyes at
all times. Don't use binoculars, a monitor, or smartphones. You
must be able to see it with your eyes. Do

(01:12:31):
not fly behind objects or through fog, fly below one
hundred and twenty meters. Get consent before flying over people
and property. There is a certain airspace where drones must
never be fled and other areas where there are strict conditions.
Check for airspace restrictions in your area before you fly,
then you gain.

Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
It's a lot of rules.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Those are the basics, but if you if you if
you want to read it in detail, as I say,
aviation dot gup dot NZ.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
Yeah, good to get that out there, Steve. You use
drones in your business.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 24 (01:13:03):
We use a well wash drone that's a peather drone.
So I like what you sa with those horticultural drones
where they have the big tanks in the middle of them.
We actually just have a hose that's hooped up to it,
and we pull our hose up where we need and
have the tanks on the ground so we can spray
continuously without having they need to keep coming down landing
and they're filling all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Smart that's interesting. So how much does the hose way?
What's the load on the drone?

Speaker 24 (01:13:31):
I hope about a kg per meter. We generally don't
fly in that high exhpt when we're doing a few
high rise buildings, but the heights we've ever been as
like thirty thirty five meters up there, and that's let's
get to a point where're getting quite high for getting
perspective from how far you are with building. For realistically,

(01:13:52):
you don't want to fly much higher than that. But
our main focus is on roofs or big wall areas,
you know, sort of something like from fifteen hundred to
forty forty fifty thousand square meters sort of thing, so
big commercial type sites where it's it'ficult to get up
on the rose. Our whole whole focus is really on
the on the health and safety side of it as well,

(01:14:13):
getting people off buildings, getting them off from a sailing,
you know, emitting the use of scare folding or e
w p's or whatever sorts of harnessing systems you need,
so they're regretful for you know, for the getting rid
of wallet and just being able to do it from
from the ground, so it's really safe quick.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
They must be pretty powerful drones though, so even with
the hose and you know, when you've got the fluid
in it, that that's that's they must be pretty powerful.
What are they they? Quads? What are they?

Speaker 24 (01:14:48):
Yeah, it's a it's a it's a quad copter eight
motors on it essentially got eight motors on it's on
the double quad. It's a big industrial drone. It's it's
still sits unother fifteen kg weight limit for it.

Speaker 18 (01:15:02):
But for.

Speaker 24 (01:15:05):
For us, we yeah, it's it's it's stable lands. I
mean the software and those machines they hold the stables.
So we we're pumping at the pump about three thousand psi,
so you're looking at you know, three and a half
thousand psi. There's water blasting pressure. So when the pressure
comes on the dry on the drone, it's just a

(01:15:26):
little slack. It holds its ground, so you think it'd
be blown around, but no, it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
And do you map it out before you put it
up and automate the you know, the path of the
drone or is that done visually from the ground.

Speaker 24 (01:15:42):
No, we do that visually. So we always have a
pilot and we have an observer spot or so under
the one oh one you're allowed to use it an
observer as long as they are connected by communication channels.
So sorry, we've got boys, got the drone site brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Well, we're just running out of time, So what's the
name of your company? Before we go, We're going to
go to the.

Speaker 6 (01:16:06):
Ads where it was a hardy.

Speaker 24 (01:16:09):
It was an Hurdy Drone Services, so a subsidiary.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Brilliant. Thank you so much for you call, Steve.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
Brilliant, Thank you Steve. In great discussion coming up after
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stole on your behalf to and use who has had
an outsized effect on our great and beautiful nation over
the previous week. As always, there will be three nominees
but only one winner, So without further ado, the nominees
for Matt and Tyler Afternoons New Zealand of the Week
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Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Number two also gets the Sir Edmund Hillary Going Downwards Award.
He's been deeper than any other human ten thousand meters
under the water. He's been down to the Titanic eighteen
hundred deep sea missions without an incident, and this week
the whole world is talking about this great New Zealander
after his impressive appearance on the Netflix documentary titan the

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Ocean Gate disaster. New Zealand Explorer I'm sure and genius
Rob McCullum for trying your very best to stop that
crazy man stopped and Rush from killing everyone, including himself
and his doom sub You are nominated for New Zealander
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Juve Dan lou Well, New Zealander. Rob McCullum is a
pioneer in the world a deep sea dive, and he's
broken the record for the deepest dive to challenge it
deep in the Marianna's Trench, the lowest point on Earth
at almost eleven thousand meters below sea level with the
likes of James Cameron. He was also a key voice
in the incredibly popular Netflix documentary Titaned the Ocean Gates

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of Mercible Disaster, where he shares his attempts to warn
founder Stockton of the immense danger of that project before
the tragic complosion in twenty twenty three. It is a
great pleasure to welcome Rob McCullum to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Good afternoon, Rob, It's an absolute honor to be talking
to you today.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
Good afternoon now, Rob.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
For listeners who may not know your background, what first
drew you into deep sea expiration? Tell us a little
bit about your ostellar career, and then how did you
come to advise Ocean Gate.

Speaker 5 (01:20:16):
I started with six thousand meta vehicles working on recks
such as the Titanic and the Bismarck. And then more
recently into full ocean depth vehicles which head all the
way down to almost eleven thousand meters as deep as
you can possibly go. My involvement with ocean Gate was
back in their early years when they were using a
couple of classed vehicles a couple of certified vehicles to

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do work in Puget Sound around Seattle, and then it
ended when they decided to go out into deep order
in an experimental craft.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Tell us what it's like to arrive down there at
the Titanic for the first time. That must be quite something.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
It's absolutely it's an incredible experience. One because of the size.
You know, I think that it's not often you get
a chance, unless you're a dock worker to stand or
be located at the bow of a ship and to
look up at the immense size of it. And you know,
Titanic was over eight hundred and eighty feet long. She

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was a big vessel. So the first impression is one
of size. The second is one of grace and beauty.
I mean, we simply don't build ocean liners with that
sort of design charm in them. And she's an incredibly
beautiful lady, even in her old age.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
And how close can you actually get to the Titanic?
You basically can float around right on the deck, can't you.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
You can? I mean, you know there are parts of
the wreck where there are debris, and you know, lifeboat
extinctions and cables and that sort of thing that you
want to maintain a respectful distance, and honestly is you know,
it's good to be sort of twenty to fifteen meters
away because then you can use the lights to illuminate
the greater scene and you get more of an appreciation

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of size and shape when you're a little bit away from.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
It and you've been deeper than anyone else in the world.
What's it like eleven thousand meters down? What are you
seeing down there?

Speaker 5 (01:22:16):
We are seeing life, believe it or not. Even at
thirty five thousand feet or nine hundred meters, we're seeing life.
But we are also seeing things that have never been
seen before, simply because humans haven't had the opportunity to
visit that part of our planet very often. So we're
seeing new forms of life, and we're seeing new kinds

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of bathymetry, you know, which help give us information about
how our planet was formed.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
You're obviously not a man who suffers from claustrophobia.

Speaker 5 (01:22:47):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Is there fear you still have a healthy amount of
fear when you're going down to an extreme depth?

Speaker 5 (01:22:55):
No, because not in the sub I mean, you know,
I have to qualify that by saying that, you know,
everybody suffers from fear. I mean, if you don't suffer
from some degree of fear, you're probably some sort of psychopathe.

Speaker 7 (01:23:09):
That.

Speaker 5 (01:23:09):
But there's a huge Yeah, there's a huge difference in
the way that people manage fear. And you know, people
that are not used to being in frightening situations usually
suffer from a deer response, you know, like a deer
in the headlights and they freeze. But when you see
people who are often in frightening situations, and you could

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include a lot of soldiers at police, firefighters, people that
have to confront a fearful situation develop the knack of
working their way through it, not getting caught in the headlights,
but actually you know, working steadily through a solution to
get themselves out of that fix. But I have to

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say that, you know, the most important part of my
job is actually avoiding the risk that creates those fearful situations.
I'm never fearful in a sub because they have been
prepared by a team of experts, by a team of engineers,
and all of the risk is being mitigated out of them.

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
And we will come back to that rob But working
with the likes of James Cameron and Victor Vescovov, did
they have a similar thirst to you? Could you see
that within those sorts of people that they weren't there
might have been a level of fear, but more excitement
and getting into the unknown and that explorer spirit.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
Yes, absolutely, and they're very similar in a lot of regards.
Jim is an explorer at heart, with a bit of
filmmaking on the side to pay for his habit. You know,
he's very, very accomplished obviously at making movies and he
enjoys it. But in his heart he is an explorer
and he's done a great deal for ocean exploration and

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bringing the feeling of exploring the ocean into people's TV screens.
Victor is a different, similar, bit different. You know. Victor
is an adventurer. He likes to push himself and he
came into ocean exploration almost by accident because he was
looking for his next big thing. He wanted to go
to the Marianas Trench because it was the deepest point

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to the world's ocean, and then he worked out that
no one had been to the deepest point of the
other four oceans, and so that's what formed the Five
Deeps expedition.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Now, speaking of screens and TV, the ocean Gate documentary
on Netflix, you say there was no way of knowing
when Titan was going to fail, but it was a
mathematical certainty that it would fail. You walked away from
the Titan project. What were the specific red flags you
saw that made you not want to be involved at all.

Speaker 5 (01:25:35):
That's a good question, And you know it's interesting because
I was explained to someone the other day. You know,
the sequence of the documentary is quite right. You know,
I left ocean Gate even before they built anything. I
left when Stockton decided that he was going to build
an unclassed vehicle, and then I spent even after I'd left,

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I spent two years sort of trying to turn him
around because I didn't want anyone to get hurt. The
red flags for me was the inability to listen and
the inability to consult outside of the group. So I
think A very important hallmark of leadership is being able
to solicit counterviews and then to consider them and be

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prepared to change your stance or your approach based on
that feedback. And if you're not prepared to do that,
if you're not even prepared to hear account of you,
then you're already beginning to set yourself up for a failure.
So that was the first red flag. The second red
flag was the fired Dave Lockrichs, chief pilot, for blowing

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the whistaw on several safety concerns. And that's a big
red flag. I mean, when you not only are not
prepared to listen to a core member of your staff
point out in a very professional manner where all of
the faults are, but then you go on to fire
that person and then you sue them in court to
keep them quiet. That's a real problem.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
We're talking to the New Zealand deep sea explorer and
expert Rob McCallum now speaking of Stockton Rush, who's CEO.
Some people stood up, but some people didn't. He seems
to have created an almost cult like following at Ocean
Gate that may have led to the disaster. That suggests
charisma and your experience. What kind of person was Stockton Rush?

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Was he charismatic?

Speaker 18 (01:27:24):
Did?

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Did he draw you in it?

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
All?

Speaker 18 (01:27:27):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:27:27):
He is a very He was a very charming guy,
very charismatic. But it didn't take very long to work
out that it was his way or the highway. You know.
He was very tenacious, very single minded that his way
was right and he just wouldn't entertain anything anything different,

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and so it doesn't take long to see through people
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
Rob, we're really loving this chat. We're just going to
play some messages and come back with some more questions
if that's okay. Yeah, sure, we are talking to deep
ocean exploring expert Rob McCullum. Stay tuned back very shortly
here on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
We are joined by New Zealand deep sea diving expert
and explorer Rob McCullum. Rob, thanks again very much for
your time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
The Titans carbon fiber hull has been called a death
trap before the tragic events that led to its implosion.
Can you please explain playing language why carbon fiber behaves
so differently under a deep ocean pressure compared with say
steel or titanium.

Speaker 5 (01:28:41):
Steel and titanium are obviously metals that are of a
known composition, and they are well understood by engineers, and
they will be able to calculate what the safe dive
depth of that submersible would be. So, for instance, when
we built Limiting Factor, which is the submersible we use

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to go to foll ocean depth almost eleven thousand meters,
we were able to calculate even before she made it
off the drawing board exactly how much pressure that hull
would be able to sustain, so that when we got
to the test facility and we tested it to one
point two five times that pressure, she behaved exactly as

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we'd calculated out. Can't do that with carbon fiber. The
reason for that is that carbon fiber is a composite material.
It's made up of essentially string that's held in place
by a resin, and it's not going to be consistent material.
It's going to have a lot of variation in it,
and because of that, it's impossible to say where it's

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when it's going to break.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Obviously, there was a terrible tragedy and horrible that people
lost their lives. But there must be some small satisfaction
wouldn't be the word, but for people like Dave that
were so mistreated for the true story to be out
now for the world to see, especially considering he was
taken to court for trying to call out the situation.

Speaker 5 (01:30:04):
Absolutely. I mean after the premiere, we were interviewed about
you know, do you feel vindicated, And it's like, you know, honestly,
we feel sick because we tried so very hard, him
as inside man, as me an outside man to try
and get Stockton to see the light and stop what
he was doing, and failed. And five people lost their lives,
and one was Stockton, and you know, it's kind of

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he had that coming to him. He was determined to
follow that path. Two others were warned and knew the
risks and took their chances, and the other two were
complete innocents. Yeah, and it's them that I feel the
most sorrow for.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Do you believe that you did everything that you could?
Is there Do you feel that there was nothing more
you could do to stop them?

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:30:48):
I don't think there was anything more. Because we initially
on the formal side of things, we got that information
to Osha you know, the occupational safety and health folks,
and also to the Coast Guard. And those are the
two entities, one state and one federal, that had the
authority to actually put a stop to it, and they didn't,
but they have the legal authority. Neither Dave nor I

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have any authority at all. So then we switched to
the informal approach, and you know, I spent the last
three years sort of sabotage in the operation by making
it clear that anybody that was wanting to go in
Titan should give me a call first. And I think
there's something like three dozen people that we talked out
of going in the vehicle, many of whom are now
in touch and extremely grateful. But the other two, the

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most important, were the investors who called and said is
this a good investment and able to say no, and
here is why. And I think in some ways that
sped up the demise of ocean Gate.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Now this is probably a difficult question to answer, but
what were your first thoughts when you heard that the
ocean Gate disaster had taken place.

Speaker 5 (01:31:52):
I was at sea and it was like three or
four o'clock in the morning, and I got a call
from someone who said, the subs imploded. We've just heard
the signature, so I knew straightaway that it imploded, and
I sort of was confused over the following three or
four days because there was the oxygen count down and
the race against time, and it's like these guys died
in a blink. I mean, what are we doing with

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the search and rescue exercise. I will never understand how
Stockton actually got that first hull through sea trials. I mean,
I honestly, most of my colleagues expected that the sub
would fail in the first sea trial and that would
be the end of the sub. And Stockton and ocean Gate.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
Now and the doc you stated that stocked and saw
an opportunity to restart tourists visits to Titanic or start
them stocked, and fully believed in what he was doing
that it would work. You've been deeper than anyone in
various vessels. Do you think deep sea tourism like ocean
Gate was trying to get going as possible or is
it just too dangerous?

Speaker 5 (01:32:51):
No, it's absolutely possible. I mean, if you look at
the rest of the sub industry over the last fifty years,
there's been tens of millions of people that have been
for a dive and a sub and there's never been
an incident. Ocean Gate was outside of the industry, absolutely
refused any advice from the industry, went out of their
way to work around all the rules that the industry follows,

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and they paid a terrible price. But my most rewarding
dive was in a tourist sub in Hawaii. The people
in front of me were from Kansas. The people behind
me were from Oklahoma. They'd never seen the ocean before,
They'd never been on the ocean before, they most certainly
had never been underneath it. And to hear their commentary

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and to hear their worldview open up in real time
was just amazing. And I certainly hope that tens of
millions of more people get that opportunity.

Speaker 4 (01:33:46):
I'm getting ghostbumpsters hearing you talk about that, Rob, Absolutely
incredible to have that opportunity. Final question from me, Rob,
as you mentioned, you were sitting by David Lockridge at
the premiere, how's David doing? Now?

Speaker 5 (01:33:58):
You know he's good, I mean good compared to where
he was. I mean he used to really swing from
sort of survivors guilt through to blind rage. But at
that sort of leveled to the point where now that
it's coming out, the documentaries are out, but the formal
investigation report will be out probably this month, and that'll

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take a little while for people to digest. But obviously
the federal agencies that are involved with the prosecutions have
already been in touch over the last couple of years,
and then I think you'll see justice being done and
that'll be the final chapter in the ocean Gate story.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Rob After decades of pushing underwater boundaries, are you still
passionate about the deepotion? What are your thoughts about the
balance of ambition to see and do great things and
safety and has this accident tainted at all your feelings
towards the industry.

Speaker 5 (01:34:53):
I mean, we run an expedition company. You know, we've
completed over eighteen hundred expeditions, all of them safe and successful.
You know, I don't introduce myself as an explorer because
people expect someone taller wearing a pith helmet with it
done for tigers or something. But you know, we're in
the We're in the business of full time exploration, and

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you know that comes with an image, but the reality
is that we spend most of our time identifying risks
and mitigating risks before we even leave home, because it
doesn't count as a world first or a world record
unless everybody makes it back alive. So we're not you know,
we are explorers, we are expeditioners, but we are not

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really sort of extreme adventure types who are prepared to
put everything.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
On the line.

Speaker 5 (01:35:41):
And I think that that will continue because the ocean
is there. It covers seventy one percent of our planet
and there are answers in the ocean that will help
us with some of the challenges that we have as
a species in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Well, thank you so much for talking to us.

Speaker 6 (01:35:59):
Rob.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
You know, you're a great New Zealand. It was inspirational
seeing you on the dock, and it's inspirational reading about
everything and you've done and seeing what you've done. So
absolute honor and a privilege to talk to you today.

Speaker 5 (01:36:09):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 6 (01:36:10):
It's matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
What an incredible New Zealander and what a candid interview
that was from Rob McCallum. Now we had a longer
chat with Rob. If you want to find that interview,
you can find that online at iHeartRadio and on our
podcast to search Matt and Tyler's afternoons and you'll find
it right there, and also on news Talk zb dot
co dot n Z. We had a chat with him
for about half an hour and certainly some candid bits

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of information in that interview. Right coming up, it is
the big Super Rugby Final this weekend, Crusaders versus Chiefs
down in christ Church. We're going to catch up with
Crusader Scott Barrett very shortly. It is twenty eight to four.

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Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
There'd be so huge Super Rugby Final this Saturday night
at Apollo Project Stadium in christ dur Crusaders versus the Chiefs.
It's going to be your doozy and joining us now
is Scott Barrett Crusaders Lock Scott, good afternoon to you.

Speaker 7 (01:38:25):
Good afternoon guys.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
How's the team looking ahead of the big clash? Scott?

Speaker 7 (01:38:29):
Yeah, no, it's been a great week so far. We've
just come off the training pitch for our main training
of the week, so yeah, polishing up the preparations and
looking forward to Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
Any word on the head not protocols and how they're
going to run that because that was a bit of
a Fiesco last week, wasn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:38:46):
Yeah, yeah, there was a couple of pings the old
mouthguards and Ethan I think he went off wrongly, got
the numbers wrong. I think, yeah, yeah that my mouth
guard went ping when I sort of quite yeah, the
Blues prop and yeah I ended up going off. But
hopefully yeah, there's nothing too Yeah, no mix ups this week.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Now the Chiefs have beaten you twice this season, can
can they do it again on Saturday?

Speaker 8 (01:39:13):
Well?

Speaker 7 (01:39:13):
Yeah, they have been right on. They obviously finished with
the minor premiership or the finishing on top of the table,
and yeah, we've got to give them that most respect
coming down here. You know, we're quietly confident in playing
our game and you know, sticking up our intensity with before.
You're aware that they embarrassed us the last couple of
times they played us this season.

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
So it's all on the line this week Crusaders. Of course,
scott have never lost a finals game in christ Church?
Is that at the back of you and the boys's mind.

Speaker 7 (01:39:40):
I yuess you get a little bit of confidence from that,
but at the end of the day, it's a one
off game, you know, that's sort of history. That's eighty
minutes of going toe to toe with the chiefs or
quality outfit, and you know it might go eighty five
eighty seven last week and we were getting for a
decent performance and we're certainly up for the challenge.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
So it's sold out, and it sold out really really quickly.
And look, it's coming to the end the stadium. Are
you going to miss the old stadium when it's gone?
Can you move into your new digs.

Speaker 7 (01:40:11):
There's a lot of history there, a lot of fun
memories over the years that I did play there, and
I have played there, and I guess it would be
great to move into a new stadium. I've watched a
few in the stands there and when the Southerly done
pretty daly, Yeah, the breeze comes up from underneath and
it goes straight through you. Yet, sold out pretty quick

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and we're looking forward to having one more game there
in front of our fans.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Now, Scott Barrett, So, of course last year was a
very tough season for you. Did you have a documentary
team or anything following you? Because if you turn this
around and you win after where you were last season
and the turnaround to go from salad dwellers to if
you do win and we're not trying to jinx it,
but that would be an amazing story. Has anyone been

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documenting this to make the Netflix documentary on it?

Speaker 7 (01:40:59):
Not to sure about the long form, but yeah, probably
the instagram that would have you know, you've had a
piece together and make away short form, I guess. But
you know, we certainly have bounced and there was an
attitude shift from day day one this year. So yeah,

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we're hoping to put one more last effort into hopefully
look at trophy.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
So you think that's that's the difference. What is the
difference really, it's such a such a light and dark season,
dark and light season, such a change around. Is the attitude.
There's been some players that have come back. What do
you think has been the big change?

Speaker 7 (01:41:37):
Yeah, there's a clear attitude. You know, when you have
that sort of season, it does sort of change and
you don't really want to go through that again. That's
I guess. The nature of the Crusaders are pretty pretty driven,
and you know the flip side of that is we've
had a good run of.

Speaker 21 (01:41:56):
You know, with.

Speaker 7 (01:41:56):
Injuries and key guys have been playing some regular minutes
and a lot of young guys are really deepping up
and owning their time in the Jersey as well.

Speaker 22 (01:42:05):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
All the best for Saturday night, mate, and look the
whole nation is excited and will be tuning in. It's
going to be a fantastic fixed. Your two incredible teams,
possibly the two best teams in the world at the moment,
going head to head. So I for one can't wait
to tune in.

Speaker 4 (01:42:21):
Yeers, Thanks guys, All the best mate. That is Scott
Barrett Crusader's lock of course ahead of the huge Super
Rugby Final this Saturday night at Apollo Project Stadium. It's
going to be huge, Matten Taylor, So we want to
have a chat to you ahead of that Super Rugby Final.
How are you feeling and your hyped up? Who do
you think is gonna worn Crusaders versus Chiefs. It has

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been a phenomenal Super Rugby campaign and what a story
for the Crusaders after last season. So if you are
going to the game, really can to have a cheat
to you on oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
This is an interesting attitude from Malcolm that's come straight
through in a nine two nine two. It'll be interesting
if the Crusaders can keep their winning streak alive at
the new stadium. Once they have a covered stadium, it'll
probably open up more opportunities for away teams. That's from Malcolm. Yeah,
that's right. You might get soft under the roof.

Speaker 4 (01:43:06):
Our conditioned to that by Team Cold Southerly at Apollo
Project Stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
It certainly is an inviting to Australian teams down there. Yeah, absolutely,
But yeah, what do you think who's going to win
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It's a hugely exciting fixture
of the Chiefs have have have you know, humbled the
Crusaders twice this season?

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
They certainly have and their favorites, the Chiefs, they are.
I just had a look a dollar eighty to the
Chiefs to two dollars to Crusaders, so can teen fans.
How do you feel about that? And if you are
going down on Saturday night give us a buzz oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
Are you Chiefs mana or your Crusaders hard.

Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 4 (01:43:49):
They'd be very good afternoon and we're talking about the
Super Rugby Final Saturday, of course in christ Church at
Apollo Projects Stadium. Who you're backing? What do you think
is gonna happen? It is a big game for both sides,
Crusaders the Chiefs. Chiefs are the favorite currently according to
the tab painted dollar eighty compared to two bucks for
the Crusaders. So if you're going along, love to hear

(01:44:10):
from you on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If
you're watching from home, who you're backing?

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Got a couple of texts here on opposing camps. The
dirty Cantabs can say goodbye to their thirty one to
zero Chiefs by fifteen and that's it for the Crusaders.
They will never win again. Terrible for the game that team.

Speaker 4 (01:44:26):
Wow, those are fighting words.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
It's funny when people say the Crusaders are bad for
the game. I once shared that with Karen Reid and
he said, well, anyone can come down and beat the
Crusaders if they want.

Speaker 4 (01:44:37):
Yes, she's up to the opposing side to win. You
don't come on The.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
Idea that you're bad for the competition because no one
can beat you is an interesting take. This text, on
the other hand, says Chiefs shouldn't even bother turning up
as if mate hand it to the Crusaders right now.
You couldn't get more opposing sides.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
James, Yeah, Hi, James speaking James Hell, I was just
bringing up about the game. I'm going to be unable
to make it, but my son and all his mates
are turning up and they're catching up with a lot
of ex pats. Just wanted to put it out there
for all the Crusaders fans about the cow bells. All
the boys are loading their phones up off YouTube cowbell

(01:45:17):
sounds that it's going to be louder than left they
had bells.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
I mean that's that's a miss step to ban the cowbells.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
Come on, I mean, well they themselves in the foot
on the broad Yeah, you're going to be it's going
to be louder. It's going to be a much louder
on those ten ten thousand phones are playing cow bells
at the same time. It's going to kill the stadium.

Speaker 4 (01:45:43):
Love that, James and yeah, and so they managed they
were lucky lucky enough to get tickets, and you say,
go the Chiefs, how much do you reckon? They win
by twelve points points.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
You're putting twelve points. You're putting your money with your
mouth's there? You are you going to have a flutter
on that, Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
That's why I'm not going. I haven't got any money.

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
You're a good man, Thank you very much, James. I
mean that cowbell thing was, and I'm speaking here as
a can tap, that was a weird decision to make.
How many people we're gonna put cow bells in their bag,
fly down to christ Church and invade Apollo projects with steelbelts.
But it's created a bit of argie bargie between the teams,
which I always like to see. Muzz says via text,

(01:46:29):
sorry dog role talking about Scott Barrett. Of course the
Chiefs are gonna whip Crusaders.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
Butts am, well, this person says the curse of Razor.
He breakdownsd on hallowed Chiefs, Turf and the team. Now
the Crusaders are cursed forever.

Speaker 4 (01:46:49):
I missed those breakdancing days. We need we needed a
bit of that in the look.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
I'm a big fan of Razor, but it was a
lot when he how would you say, was it break danced?
He break danced? Yeah, he broke on on halloaed a
Chiefs turf. Yeah he did, according to this text. So
that started a curse at the last forever. I mean,
the Crusaders did seem cursed last season. But you know
they've had a typically gritty sort of a campaign this year,

(01:47:17):
haven't they.

Speaker 4 (01:47:18):
They certainly have others teach uses. Guys. In the spirit
of fairness, why haven't you interviewed a Chiefs player a
bit like a ban on the cowbows.

Speaker 6 (01:47:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
Well, actually, Texter, I'm gonna because Tyler organized that interview.
I certainly did so, and you're a terrible one eyed
can tap, so that is that is actually rubbish from you.
It was I'm just trying to get a we need
to get a Chiefs We need to talk to a Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (01:47:41):
Supporter under the raider though, didn't I because when I said,
you know, Scott Barrett's going to come on, and you said,
oh yeah, yeah, yep, yep, dog roll it'll be good
to chat and not one party, you said, hang on,
what about a Chiefs player?

Speaker 6 (01:47:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
Yeah, I mean this is slightly on me, but we
need some chiefs maner up in this thing. I'll be
in Topau watching this game. So so in chiefs territory.
Yeah so I'm chief's manner.

Speaker 4 (01:48:03):
You are chiefs maner. But Greg I Reckon is a
Crusaders fan. Greg, get a to you. You're going along
to the game, Get a Greg?

Speaker 22 (01:48:17):
Yeah, yeah, No, Unfortunately I couldn't get a ticket, but
I'll be watched, you know, with my red and black
cap on going for the Crusaders. Naturally, Hey talking about
the cowbell then I thought it was sudding.

Speaker 8 (01:48:26):
I heard about it.

Speaker 22 (01:48:27):
But it's been a binge between Mainbridge Colin Bainbridge and
the Hits the the Cheeks because being Crusader flags a
few years ago when the Crusaders went up there. So
I don't think they're going to stand there and try
and confiscate cow bells before there's always found out of proportion.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
Yeah, so you Reckon if you if you turn up
with the cow bell, you're there won't be any problems
at all.

Speaker 22 (01:48:51):
You got more chance to get your hip flask tadd.

Speaker 8 (01:48:54):
Usia than.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
What about what about a hot fast with some rocket
fueld just balanced in it?

Speaker 22 (01:49:01):
Calvanas try have you ever tried that.

Speaker 4 (01:49:03):
Tyler, what sorry I missed that.

Speaker 22 (01:49:06):
Help Calvanas. It's a freeings Brandy.

Speaker 4 (01:49:09):
Well, it sounds good. I haven't tried that. That seems
like rich, a bit too rich for my blood.

Speaker 22 (01:49:15):
No, no, give it a shot. But you'll be going
for the Crusaders. It'll be tough. They don't They have
faith as any good Crusader fan does, and who wouldn't
want to lose to the chief. That was the purgatory.

Speaker 4 (01:49:25):
How they feeling about Rob Penny and Crusaders Country at
the moment? Greg, There was at one point last season
where the guy was almost run out of town.

Speaker 22 (01:49:32):
Yeah, well, he had big shoes to step into. They
had a lot of injuries and there was a tough time.
And he's done very well this year. And they've had
a few of the players back, and there's a combination
of things and he's done well. And you know, it's
just stiffen to raise his shoes for the record guy
he had that. I defy anyone to be able to

(01:49:53):
do that. You know, follows through it's pretty tough. I
think he's he's done very well this year and I
think people recognize that.

Speaker 4 (01:50:01):
He certainly seems a lot cheaper heading into this Super
Rugby final than he did last season, that's for sure.
He looks like a happy man and that's how a
head coach should be when you're in Crusader country.

Speaker 3 (01:50:11):
Greek.

Speaker 22 (01:50:13):
Yeah, well they should be. Yeah, so we'll see you
and keep our frienders crossed and hopefully set the old
stadium out in the style that would be great.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
Yeah, well, I'd love to hear from a Chiefs fan
coming through. Cowboys are a set up just to wind up,
CEO admitted last night. Really, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:50:30):
I don't know. Old Colin Rainbridge seen pretty seats on
melting those down if you found them at the gates.
This is a massive Chiefs supporter. Guys, Chiefs will win,
it will be close, but Crusaders, in particular the Barrett
brothers will be penalized for their constant offside play and
hands in the ruck. Gardner is a top ref notes.
I have no skin in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Okay, you have no skin in the game. So that's
just well, you know, that's the whole thing about this
this game as well, and what we've seen in the
finals and throughout the whole Super Rugby this year. Fantastic games.
Fantastic action. There's been faster than they were before. But
the head knock rules with no gray area, it becomes
an absolute lottery. So you can be the superior team.

(01:51:12):
But if things go you'll go wrong for you and
there's a bit of an accidental head knock and then
you get yellow cards are handed out. Then it can
go either way.

Speaker 4 (01:51:20):
Yep, exactly. Looking forward to that Super Rugby Final of
course Saturday, Apollo Projects Stadium. It's going to be a doozy.
We've gotta play some messages. But back very shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
This Texas says I have a fake pair of binoculars
that I'm taking in holding one liter of booze.

Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
Good man.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
That man, Well, maybe I shouldn't have said that. Maybe
security be looking at binoculars.

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
Eight to four The big stories, the big issues, the
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Speaker 4 (01:51:49):
It'd be it is five to four.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Thank you to all you great New Zealanders for listening
to the show this week. Thanks so much for all
your calls and text We've had a great time chatting.
Hope you have too. So many great calls this week
but Kira is our caller of the week. She was
being secretive about her old employee, but I think we
got it out of her.

Speaker 20 (01:52:06):
And then it was made even more complicated because, of course,
thanks to Lindon Johnson, the agency is very geographically.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
Is this NASA we're talking about here?

Speaker 21 (01:52:17):
I can neither confirm nor deny, but let's just say
that as a result, there is a headquarters which is
based in one part of the country and an astronaut
base which is set in a different part.

Speaker 20 (01:52:32):
It was it was very, very difficult to put it mildly.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
Well, there you go, pretty sure she worked. Vanessa. The
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Ellen's up next, but right now, Tyler Why am I
playing that song from.

Speaker 4 (01:53:04):
ACD Dirty Deeds by Ecadeca because of that dirty bugger
who ripped off larneck Castle.

Speaker 6 (01:53:09):
How dare he?

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
That's exactly right, well done. Now, wherever you are, whatever
you're doing until next week, have a great long weekend
and give him a taste of Kiwi from us in
cheefs mana love your.

Speaker 22 (01:53:25):
Contract.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
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