Full Show Podcast: 23 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show Podcast Number Get this one, Betty who.
Some moments like these that you realize, you know. I
remember we did our first show and I was like, wow,
that's quite intimidating doing a show news talks here, but
I've never done that before. And all of a sudden,
We're up to one hundred and fifty of the buggers.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, it just feels like yesterday we had a hundie.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, whoo whoo. So when do we next celebrate five hundy?
Five hundred is the next I was going to say,
two ndy, how are we going to celebrate one fundy?

Speaker 3 (00:47):
We're gonna bring some champagne? And what are you drinking?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
M what's too late now to bring some champagne? And
it's happening right now.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
We've met yea, we should think about these things.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Two hundred, we'll have a big celebration. We'll have a
free giveaway of something to fine listeners. Great chat. We
went we went heavy with Iran. Iran. I don't know,
want to call it Iran. It's funny that because it's
got it starts with an ib. Words that start with
an eye. You don't normally just say aye yeah, but
for some reason, I say Iran, it's Iran.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
I stumbled on that a lot. I had to create
myself every time Iran.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Luckily we've got text machine. I'm nine two to abuse
a little living shit out of us if we get
anything wrong. So that was That was a great chat,
a deep chat. I'm not sure if we got any
with it, but it's good to hear how people are
feeling about that whole situation. Then we put the boot
into regional councils and then a fantastic chat at the
end that I thought was some real deep insights. It

(01:37):
was like the confessions of Uber Eats drivers. Yeah. When
I was younger, there used to be things called the
Confessions of a plumber, Confessions of a window cleaner, movies.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, Confessions of the taxi drivers. That was a great show.
There was a show on Telly, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, So that we get the confessions of Uber Eats
delivery people.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
You're scandalous to.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
End the show. So, Tyler, you've got some stuff you
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Speaker 3 (02:17):
The very good afternoon to you. Welcome and to Monday show.
Great to have your company has always hope you had
a fantastic long weekend.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Get a Mets, get a Tyler, get everyone thinks so
much for tuning into our show. I'm excited about the
next three hours of radio. We've got some good staff
after a long weekend. And I'll tell you what. I
scented my entire weekend around two sporting events that didn't
go my way, and I'm quite emotional about it. You are,
and I bet heavily. I made the most reprehensible bit

(02:49):
on two yellow cards in the final, one for each team.
I was playing good odds and I thought there were
deffinitely yet two yellow cards, but there wasn't one.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
I can't read out some of the ticks that Met
was sending through on Saturday night, but you did talk
about Rob Penny, and I think in a complimentary fashion
at you or.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
You've got to say it's redemption time for the Easter
Islander Head, haven't you. You got to say he was down
and out. He was under more pressure than probably any
super rugby coach has ever been in in the history
of the game last year. Yeah, huge amount of pressure,
just because you'd had this incredible legacy of the Crusaders
and then it fell off the cliff. So people were
pointing fingers out him. Tell you what he is, redeemed.

(03:32):
He has a risen as a and he'll be very
popular in the cafes and bars around christ Chitch going forward, won't.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
He Absolutely, he won't have to buy a drink for
a long long time. But you did say, I quote,
I'm pleased for the Easter Island Head, So that one
was nice of you.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
It was nice of you, But I was an emotional
state and got on you for not reading out some
of the other messages I was sending you because you were,
as you know, a good friend from the region who's very,
very supportive of the Crusaders. You were my focal point
for abuse and look, I want to just apologize for that.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, yeah, when I said will Jordan for a knighthood
that you really lost the plot at that point. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I was sitting a room in Topoor with a huge
amount of chiefs Marnark going on and things got emotional.
Les's just then, you know, it takes a big man
like me to admit I was wrong to send those
things to you.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Well done, mate, well done. Yeah, yeah, that's all we
ask on the show. Hey. The other thing over the weekend,
which was great for you and for me, is the
interview that we did with Rob McCullum. It was based
on the Netflix documentary wildly popular. It's number one on Netflix,
Titan the Ocean Gate Disaster, and this guy, Rob McCullum
was a big part of trying to warn people away

(04:42):
from that particular sub Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
So you can find our podcasts of that wherever you
get your podcast I Heeart Radio, Apple, wherever it is.
Just have a you might scroll down a little bit.
There's a couple of other ones in there, for the
Matt and Tyler Afternoons on ZV podcast. But that went global.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
It did.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Our podcast blew up because strangely, no one had taken
the time to talk to the man and it became
the number one story on the Herald. It was huge
on Reddit globally. So you know, we've been in business
for about six months the show Tyler, so it's good
to see our first viral sensation.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
More of that, But as Mets and Matt says, you
can go find that interview wherever you play your podcast,
but just google Matt and Tyler Afternoons and Rob McCullum.
It is there and well worth a listen if we do,
I say so ourselves. On to today's show after three
o'clock popping to the supermarket for milk and bread. It's
becoming a thing of the past for some shoppers who
are dialing up same day delivery online to get essentials delivered.

(05:34):
So these are the likes of Uberrette, door Dash and
now milk Run that is becoming increasingly popular.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
It's laziness.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
That is laziness.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
It's shocking laziness. And I say that as someone who
is living under a sea of punishing brown paper bags
from being lazy and ordering in the groceries. Although I
was driving back from Topoor and the groceries arrived very early,
so they were sitting on our doorstep for about two
and a half hours. And I've got to say, people

(06:02):
of Mountain and are honest. Yeah, people, there was free
feed just sitting there waiting for anyone that wanted it
in brown paper be out.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Well done. Any meat in those bags but a chicken
that was sitting there for two and a half hours.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's good. It's just seasoned up.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Just roll the dice on that prawns.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
It'll be good.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, exact, good to go for another couple of weeks exactly.
That is after three o'clock, after two o'clock, What is
the point of regional government? That was the question posed
by Regional Development Minister No least Shane Jones to a
room full of local government figures. He wants to get
rid of them. There are sixteen across New Zealand. They're
primarily responsible for managing environmental and public transport matters within
their region. But is it time to get rid of them?

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Do we have too many councils? I mean I think
you'd say yes, wouldn't you? And do we just need
to get rid of them and just have the local councils?
There's just another layer of cost and complexity and resulting
in expensive and slow decision making. Is that what's going
on with those regional councils or are they just amazing
layers of government between local and central that we absolutely need.

(07:00):
They're certainly not helping rates come down.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
No, no, they're certainly not. That is after two o'clock.
Really looking forward to that discussion. But right now, let's
chat about the biggest story in the world. Right now.
US says that there strikes devastated Iran's nuclear program and
now there's global oil spike fears after potentially the shipping
channel may be shut. So, of course, as we know,

(07:24):
those strikes happened over the weekend. They were carried out
by b two stouth bombers, a top ad to Iran's
top supreme leader Kamene, he has worn that even if
the sites are destroyed, the game is not over, for
they are and rich uranium stockpile and nuclear knowledge. Our
Prime Minister Christoph Luxen has described the strikes as very worrying.
So that's the question we want to put to you.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, how are you feeling about the Iran situation? Are
you concerned? Are you terrified?

Speaker 5 (07:51):
It?

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Simply a lot of people I'm talking to that are
terrified or do you think these attacks on Iran's nuclear
capabilities will stabilize the region in some ways because there's
not a lot of friends of Iran in the area,
you know, there's not a lot of commond animation nation
coming from the other big players in the Middle East

(08:12):
on this situation. So potentially, if they have successfully destroyed
Iran's nuclear capabilities, and that's a big if, is this
a good thing?

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:22):
I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. And there's been a lot of questions
about that nuclear program and the enriched uranium. The International
Assessors did say that that enrich the uranium up to
sixty percent. For typical standard nuclear fission reactors you need
three to five percent. So questions around how enriched the

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uranium stockpiles were, and of course one of the nuclear
sites that was three hundred meters underground with their centifuges,
big questions about why you need to hide a particular
site like that. So, really, Keen David chat with you.
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Do you feel a
little bit safer after what happened over the weekend or.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Are you terrified and you think this is the beginning
of worse and worse things to come.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Ye to get your views. It is fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
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Speaker 3 (09:20):
Be sixteen past one. So the US has moved to
strike at Iran's Neutulla complexes. Three sites were destroyed, according
to the US. But the wider question we've put to
you is how are you feeling with what happened over
the weekend. It is a slight escalation and the tensions
in that area with the US stepping in with those strikes.

(09:40):
Are you worried about what may happen in that region
or do you feel a bit safer that the US
has stepped into this?

Speaker 2 (09:47):
This Texas says Iran are warmongering scumbags. This Southern Texas
says ninety percent of the uranium was enriched, sixty percent
days away from ninety percent weapons grade. Matt and Tyler
are more relieved at where we are now considering where
we would have been had Harris and Waltz had won
the election. That's from Glenn Dallas. Welcome to show your

(10:09):
thoughts on this.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
Now, Matt, I know you're a bit of philosopher, So
what do you think of these statements? For phrases, pensive
strikes are okay? Now Putin would agree with that. Peace
three strengths. It's about said this morning, we bring peace
through strengths. Putin would agree with that. The end justifies

(10:34):
the means. Putin would agree with that.

Speaker 7 (10:38):
Might is right.

Speaker 6 (10:39):
Putin would agree with that. So I can't see this
is this is the way to go?

Speaker 2 (10:47):
So do you think the world would be okay? So
if Iran has nuclear weapons and it has just just
I'm saying, if Iran, how would you feel when I'm
not saying they have or haven't. Would you be happy
with the world in which Iran has a nuclear capable ability?

Speaker 6 (11:11):
No, I'm not happy with Israel, Harry than either or
anyone you know. But where's the truth. It's just like
Iraq all over again.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
It's like old Yeah, where's the truth? Well, I just
asked the question, Dallas, and I was looking at that
over the weekend, like a lot of people were. That
they've managed to get to this is according to international assesses,
sixty percent enriched uranium. You need three to five percent
for typical fission reactors. So then you've got to ask
the question, why are you're getting to sixty percent? And

(11:42):
we know that getting from sixty percent to ninety percent
is a lot easier than getting from zero to sixty
And why would you bury centrifuge's three hundred meters below
ground and a fortified bunker. So there are big questions
that the world needed to ask, and clearly the US
was asking and Donald Trump in particular, along with his advisors,
determined that they were attempting to move towards weapons grade uranium.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
So how come their their own security came out and
said there's no nuclear threat in Iran? How come the
American security came out?

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Well that was in March, though, so things can change
from March to now.

Speaker 8 (12:25):
I mean, look to.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
The say, guys, if I went walk into a pub
and you look at me the wrong way, does that
mean I can come and punch you in the faith?

Speaker 9 (12:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:34):
I guess My problem with Iran is Iran is that
they see things differently. So the whole idea of a
nuclear deterrent DALLAS doesn't really work with them because they
are seeing this in a much more I guess you'd
say religious way, So I think it's possible. But they're

(12:55):
willing to just blow people up because they believe that
that is the right thing to do for their religious beliefs.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
And America is the religious, got maga religious thing going on,
as well as as Israel's got this sort of religious
Lionist thing going on. So all three countries are kind
of religious.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, But if you look at what Iran has done
since the Islamic Revolution, and you know the Iran Iraq War,
I mean there was eight years of absolute horror. What
they've done in a Lebanon backing Hisbilla, that what they've
done in Syria with Hassad, Yemen with the Houthi rebels
backing Hamas, and Palestine, what they've done in Afghanistan. You've

(13:42):
got You've got to say that they have been very,
very aggressive in the world in that area almost you
might call them imperial in the area and when wanting
to spread their beliefs. So I believe them having a
nuclear weapon, I think there's there's there's a very high possibility.
It's judging by what they've said in the past that

(14:03):
they would use it. And whatever you think about different
countries in the area. If they have to have a
nuclear weapon, and you take into account what they've done
in the region, then that's going to be a proliferation
of weapons right through the Middle East because none of
the other countries that aren't they're not friends of Iran,
Saudi Arabia would want nuclear weapons. Don't you think it

(14:27):
would just escalate the situation in that area.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
Look, they are nasty buns, that's that's for sure, but
that's not the actual people who are exactly.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
So.

Speaker 6 (14:40):
One last thing, Matt which is the only country which
has ever used nuclear bonds?

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, yeah, sometimes I think about that and it just
blows myo like it's phenomenal having in Japan And yeah,
I mean absolutely that that is a terrifying thing that
that happened. And I don't think we really run our
minds across that as much as we should. Thank you
so much for you call, Dallas. I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, very interesting it undred and eighty ten eighty. Really
keen to get your views. Are you worried about what
has happened in the Middle East with the US and
their targeted stripes over the weekend or do you feel
more safe? Really keen to have a chat with you
on O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's twenty
two past one.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, and further to what Dallas said before, I mean,
you know how much you can trust Poles out of Iran,
but you know, well into the mid seventies of people
there are very anti their regime regime that they're under.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, beg very shortly. It is twenty two
past one.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Breakfast christa luxe as whether as we run, how worried
are you?

Speaker 10 (15:41):
It is worrying. We We really need to see diplomacy
and dialogue take place because our political solution is what's needed.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
They're not more military action. Do you support what the
Americans did?

Speaker 10 (15:50):
Well, again, we are What we want to see in
the Middle East is not Iran with a nuclear weapon.
We don't want to see Israel occupying Gaza. We don't
want to see how mass holding onto hostages and all
of those cases. The chances to sort of get on
and get into proper negotiations to get the region calmed
down and stable. Otherwise you're going to have endless military
action and constant conflict. So you've got to be able
to get round a table have a sensible conversation.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
a Vita News Talk.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Z B.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Very good afternoons. We are talking about tensions in the
Middle East, US with their targeted strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities.
So some news just to hand. According to NBC, run
delivered a message to Trump at the G seven summit
last week, threatening to unleash sleeper cell terrorists if the
US at tanked. I ran. The first satellite images of

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Iran's four to zero nuclear enrichment sites show the extensive
damage caused by America's bunker buster bombs. But NBC reported
that Iran sent a communicator Trump in the days before
Sunday shop strikes on its nuclear facilities, threatening to activate
sleeper sal terror groups.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Wonder how they seem to communicator Trump then someone slip
them a little note or something.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, I mean I need to read.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Well, he gapped it, didn't he? He certainly get it at home. Yeah,
So you know, there's a lot of speculation about why
he went home. So that's an interesting move from Idan.
If it is true, it's at an element to thee
because they knew that, you know, what was happening with Israel,
and that Israel would enjoy America backing them up. Yeah,
So to try and push the hand like that, I mean,

(17:29):
you know, it's really it's really hard to It's a
dangerous experience.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Absolutely it is. Wait one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is he number to call love to hear your thoughts
on this.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Guys. Don't forget that Iran is mates with Russia, and
Russia has plenty of nuclear bombs. Maybe they have them
one in their hands and they are crazy enough to
punch one into New York. I mean there is there
is that fear there.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (17:50):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
And this one said the US has been aggressive too
towards multiple countries when it really has nothing to do
with them. Yeah, okay, Tom, welcome to the.

Speaker 12 (17:58):
Show, Haughnon gents, Yeah, not too worried. We've been here
before a couple of times on different fronts. The Israeli's
top the nuclear power plants or what they were trying
to build in nineteen eighty one, and that stopped them
in their tracks for a wee while. And I think

(18:18):
though there's centrifuge systems have played around with them, put
bugs in the system, so they weren't They didn't realize
it for four years, but it was not doing what
it was supposed to be doing. And last time Trump
was in, he he kept them in their cage. Solomony
was got rid of, and taur A Bora with the

(18:43):
followers that were in the hills there. He sent a
few missiles their way that stopped them. And also, I
think now you will get the Israelis stop jumping up
and down and they don't have a problem because that's
been eliminated, so they should pull their heads back. And
so it's yeah, I think it'll come locked down. Plus
then you don't have these these guys holding US, holding

(19:05):
US CNORENSOM anymore any longer.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
So do you believe Tom that Iran's UK capabilities to
strike other countries have been destroyed in these attacks.

Speaker 12 (19:17):
Well, if they haven't been destroyed, they've been severely damaged.
I mean, they just it was like a surgical operation,
keyhole surgery. That when they call it the massive ordnance penetrator,
And Trump didn't make that up. That's that's in the military,
the military industrial complex, that's what they call them. They
just had a little hole where it went in, and

(19:38):
I mean you can sell the concrete spewed out. So
if they want another go step up to it and
be smart about it. But I'd say that this should
have curtailed them. I would say it certainly would have.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, so did you think do you think ultimately the
battle in that area is between Israel and Iran and
everything else that is happening there is just proxy wars.

Speaker 12 (20:06):
Yeah, hoodies have been supported by the Iranians. They they've
been supplying them weapons. Those guys have now they got
bombed up pretty pretty massively there in the last couple
of months. They've stopped their Shenanigans.

Speaker 13 (20:22):
You know.

Speaker 12 (20:22):
I mean, well Joe Biden was in, he took his
eye off that and he four years later. So I
mean Trump's been here before. As I say, Solomony was
jumping up and down causing problems, and he eliminated him,
and they were going to get retribution and nothing. I mean,
people should be quite impressed by the clattal damage. I mean,

(20:46):
those things went down like a keyhole surgery only got
those guys on the base. When they dropped the one
on Solomoney, it got him in his motorcade and a
couple other people. I mean, you cannot ask for more
niceties if you can call it nice than that.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
There are you worried about it? Because we talk about
layers of proxy war and who's fighting what and who's
standing beside behind people. But if you if you take
about another a couple another layer, So this isn't so
much Iran Israel. This is China and Russia and to
a lesser extent, North Korea up against the Western Bloc

(21:23):
and you know Israel and everything from the Western Bloc.
So if you if you take it back another layer
of onions for one of a better term, does that
concern you? Look?

Speaker 12 (21:33):
I mean look you look you look at you look
at Russia at the moment. It's got a hands tied
it's got itself tied up well in Ukraine. So they're
not going to bother you, are they? The Chinese slap
more tariffs on them if they've become silly. I mean,
you've got ways and means you can counter it through
financial Look I don't mean to be so, but what

(21:57):
do you do? Run run scared from a bully? Or
do you confront it? They'll always like he's saying they
will get sleeper cells out. We're all going to be scared.
That's what they want us to be. And if you're soft,
you will. But sometimes the you'll put your big boy
pens on.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Tom.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
What do you say to people that would say that
it is the US and Israel that are being the bullies?

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Ah?

Speaker 12 (22:24):
Okay, So the US, they haven't been marvelous than weapons
of mass destruction. I won't ever forgive Bush for that.
And Tony Blair that was disgraceful what they did going
into the into the lands where they did, and that
was an absolute fabrication. As I say, I go back
to Trump's last term and that's all I can base
it off. And it was pretty There was no wars started,

(22:48):
there was they were pulling out and I look at
the guy that was there between him in this last
in this term, a fair bit kicked off with and
that's been soft. As for Israel, they get on my nerves,
they really do. But this should this should settle them down,
because now that's been taken out, the Americans can say,

(23:10):
now you get back in your box and behave yourselves.
There's no need for any more.

Speaker 7 (23:14):
With that's three.

Speaker 12 (23:16):
So have we Have we seen the reigning of I
don't know that, no one. They're only talking about this.
Have we seen the missiles been rained down on Tarviv
and Tehran? Now, I think that stopped almost in the
last couple of days since this went down. Yeah, am
I treatd and saying that I believe?

Speaker 3 (23:32):
So, I mean following the US strike story more closely
than the Israel versus Iran.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Well, but the big problem with that is the disparity
in cost of protecting Israel and the cost of firing
those ballistics in there. Not very different costs. But a
think he muster for you call Tom? Yeah, so you
agree with Tom? Or do you disagree with Tom?

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (23:53):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
A headlines with Wendy coming up, it is twenty seven
to two.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Hus talks.

Speaker 14 (24:01):
There'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. There's no trouble
with a blue bubble. Iran's foreign minister is meeting Russia's
press in the wake of US strikes on three Iranian
nuclear sites. Iran his promised retribution, but the US says
not acting would have been dangerous. In New Zealand says
it's not yet facing flight interruptions, but will contact affected

(24:22):
customers if the conflict causes global cancelations. All Blacks and
Blues winger Caleb Clark has been discharged without conviction for
dangerous driving the fleeing police at speed on his motorbike
last year. It came minutes after he was named in
this year's first all Black squad. The Prime Minister says
New Zealand's a natural link between major economic powerhouses, with

(24:43):
two twice weekly flights announced from China to South America
via Auckland. An Auckland murder trials been called off the
day it was scheduled to begin, with accused Lorenzo Tangeda
pleading guilty to killing security guard Ramadeep Singh. In December
twenty twenty three, the former fishing company director has been
jailed for sixteen months for illegal fishing by his company,

(25:07):
obstructing fishery officer, and acc scrutinized over slow payouts after
landmark court ruling. Seymore at enz Herold Premium. Now back
to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we're talking about the
US targeted strikes over the weekend on Iran's nuclear facilities.
Do you feel safer in the world after what happened
in the weekend, or do you think it could escalate
those tensions in the Middle East. Oh, one hundred and
eighteen eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
We know the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp
said not so long ago, we will fight them on
a global level, plans to order to say, boy boy,
I've lost this. Oh that's right, we will break America
and we will cleanse the palate the planet. And of
course the Supreme Leader has said a number of times

(25:56):
death to America, So their side is pretty clear how
they feel about what's going on here. Russia and China
won't get involved. Russia doesn't have the capacity, and China
is quite happy to sit on the sidelines and watch
the idiots destroy themselves. But that's part of the wider
thing that could happen. So if America is completely distracted
dealing with a convolute ass situation in the Middle East,

(26:17):
is that when China goes all right, let's have a
go at Taiwan. Yeah, I mean, this whole thing can
spread out globally in a terrifying manner exactly.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
And speaking about the Supreme Leader, Kamane. It was five
years ago that he did say Israel, and this is
a direct quote, was a cancerous tumor to be destroyed.
So whether Iran or the Supreme Leader or that regime
is an organization and a government you want with nuclear weapons, well,
I'd love to hear from you. On Oh one hundred
and eighteen.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Eighty, Tony says, I'm absolutely no Trump fan, but totally
agree with what he said. A small escalation now has
prevented a much bigger one later. If Iran had a nuke,
they would use it. And I think there's something in
that because the mutually assured destruction thing doesn't really apply
to a regime that glorifies martyrdom because from one perspective,

(27:09):
they welcome death in the service of faith. So if
someone that thinks like that outside of the normal, like
for example, Putin attacking Ukraine, right, he still wants to
live a life, He still wants to be alive, He
still wants to live in his palace and hang out
with his girlfriend. Yeah, that's what Putin wants to do.

(27:31):
But it's a bit different for the regime that that
currently runs Iran. I mean, martyrdom is a real thing
for them.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
That's the scary part, right is I think a lot
of that regime they answer to God, not the human race,
and that's what makes it terrifying for a lot of
people out there on analysts if they ever were to
get weapons gray uranium.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Welcome to the show, Roger.

Speaker 15 (27:54):
Good afternoon, Martin Tyler. How are you guys doing?

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Very good? Roger, thanks for calling.

Speaker 15 (28:00):
All right, now, I'm going to give you a different
spend God on this whole episode of America and Iran.
You ready, yep?

Speaker 10 (28:09):
All right?

Speaker 15 (28:10):
The nuclear story is all garbage. The real reason is
Iran is not selling oil in dollars, and Iran is
also selling oil at a very cheap price, almost thirty
percent cheaper than the market price. American oil companies are
not able to complete compete with Iran. Oil can be

(28:32):
sold only for another twenty five to thirty years, and
after that no one will buy oil as the world
will move towards hydrogen powered vehicles. So at the moment,
American Jewish oil companies want to make maximum money selling
oil which is being spoilt by Iran. That is why

(28:54):
they are instigating Israel to attack Iran. In fact, one
of the first things Israel did was to attack Iran's
oil exporting terminal, which itself makes it clear that their
aim is to stop the export of oil.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well, Roger, that could be strategic though often when countries
tech other countries, they attack the means of making money,
and Iran makes a lot of not nearly all its
money by selling oil to China.

Speaker 15 (29:25):
Basically true that, But the new clear story is just
an excuse because when America invaded Iraq, they said that
Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons of mass destruction which can
destroy the world. The real reason was Saddam Hussein refused
to sell oil in dollars. They murdered him. Only when

(29:46):
oil is sold in dollars, America can steal money.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
But do you think it's possible. Do you think it's possible, Roger?
It is possible to be wrong at one point, and
people are wrong all the time. It's a very very
different government in America right now, and it's different people
that are saying you. So it's possible to be wrong
wrong about the mass weaves of mess destruction with Iraq,
and we all exceed that was wrong and that was
an absolute catastrophe and as a previous caller I think

(30:12):
was Dallas, was saying, no one's ever going to forgive
Bush for that. But it's possible for them to be
wrong about the weapons of mass destruction, but right, And
it would appear that they have more evidence of what's
of the uranium enrichment than they ever had about weapons
of mass destruction. So they've got a lot more evidence
international events on Iran than they ever did with Iraq.

Speaker 15 (30:34):
Yes, but if they can overthrow the Iranian regime and
keep a puppet regime there or destroy the oil exporting infrastructure,
then Jewish American oil companies can make money.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Do you think do you think the people? What do
you think the people of Iran want? Because it would
appear that the people are not happy with the regime
in Iran, so the population of Iran are victims in
the situation of the regime.

Speaker 15 (31:03):
Agree with you, I agree, But the biggest buyers of
oil in the international market are China and India. Both
are now buying most of their oil from Russia and Iran,
which is what American oil companies want to stop. They
cannot do anything to Russia, so they are attacking Iran.
And how America steals money by forcing countries to use

(31:25):
the dollar. Imagine, India has to buy oil from Saudi
Arabia for Rupees one hundred. India can buy oil only
in American dollars. So first India has to buy dollars
from America to give it to Saudi Arabia. Earlier, this
was the rule. Now they're planning to change it. The
dollar is at a highly inflated price, more than twenty

(31:48):
actual Valueia India.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yes, yep, carry on, just finish it off.

Speaker 15 (31:54):
So India gets just one dollar one dollar and eighteen
cents for the rupees one hundred. Now when India is
one dollar eighteen to Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia does not
get the entire money. The Saudi Arabian rear is worth
less than thirty percent of the dollar value. So America
again keeps more than seventy percent of that one dollar

(32:16):
eighteen amount and gives a small amount around thirty nine
cents to Saudi Arabia. Also when Saudia.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Roger thank you very much for your comments. Really appreciate it,
and I'm sure there are some people that agree with you.
But bringing it back to the question over enriched uranium again,
The question a lot of analysts are asking is why
did they need to enrich it to sixty percent perhaps more?
But that is from international analysts who recorded that when
they went into Iran, and certainly having a centrifuges underground

(32:49):
and a fortified bunker would leave many to ask why.
But keen but thank you very much for your views
and keen on your views on this. So one hundred
and eighteen eighty is the number. Call. It is a
quarter to two bag. Very shortly listening to Matton Tyler.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams
afternoons call News Talks.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
We are talking about the US strategic strikes on Iran's
nuclear facilities. Can get your views, Nick, Good afternoon.

Speaker 16 (33:20):
And good afternoon to you. Look, nothing seems the truth
seems to be lost in a good story. I mean
Iranian or Iran has been Russia. Both of them have
been fighting proxy wars for the last few years. I
mean the Russians had the Wagner Group, now they've set
up something else. The Iranians they've been operating through the

(33:43):
Hooties and Yeman, through Hezbollah, Who's and so they go.
I mean the Iranians have been in spite of their
talking about their sovereignty being reached if you want to,
they themselves have been sending drones to Russia to fight
against the sovereignty of the Ukraine, but nobody says any

(34:05):
thing about that. They have they have been supplied missiles
to the who is Yemen and the Gaza people had
said they couldn't put together a string quartet little alone
by the missiles that are needed to attack Israel. So
where are they getting this equipment from? Where they're getting

(34:26):
it from? Either Russia or alternatively Iran, Those peace loving
nations have been fighting it out, and I think, to
be honest, the Americans and the Israelis have just about
had enough of them. And don't wonder they're having a
go with them.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Do you think neck then that the real situation in
the Middle East, as Israel versus Iran and what's currently
happening in Gaza is just a stop gap. I mean, horrible,
horrible situation that's happening there. But the fight should have
always been between Israel and Iran, and that's what's happening now.

Speaker 16 (35:06):
Correct The why why why do we keep going along?
And the public cheems to go along some gud to
working about the price of oil and dollars and everything else.
But the truth of us is there's been troubles between
the Muslims of your wondering the Christians since the days
of the Crusades.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah, I think if you coolnick, yep. And look, that's
what a lot of people go back to. It as
a very complicated situation with the proxy wars. But to
narrow it back down to Israel versus Iran is that
you know the situation and then you've got the superpowers
back in those two nations.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Well, you've got to say that Iran hasn't shown any
sympathy at all for the poor people in Palestine, have they.
They've been quite happy to use them in their battle
against Israel. And when I say the Iranians, not the people,
because you know over seventy percent of the people of
Iran do not support their government. Yep. So it's the
regime that took over in nineteen seventy nine, and they've

(36:03):
done some terrible things. Got to say, Iran, Iraq, War, Lebanon, Yemen,
what they've done in Palestine, Afghanistan, it's.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
The human human rights breaches in their own country absolutely
before we.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Even get into you know, the laws that they that
they subject their people to.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
It is nine to two oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Will take a few
more calls shortly.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.
Afternoons NEWSTALKSB News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
It is six to two plenty of texts coming through
on this discussion.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
This sextasies exactly, and the US has never bombed them.
I'm not sure what the exactly was related to, but
the US has never bombed them for their lack of
humanity or care of their people in Iran. It's only
now they bomb them because of Israel. There is more
behind the scenes. We will never hear. Trump doesn't care
about a pressed woman in Iran. We're kidding us our
as if we think that he does. That's instare right.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
And this one is from the other side of the coin. Afternoon, guys.
I agree with your previous caller Tom to a certain extent,
but people are very short memories too. Or three years ago,
thousands of people died and are still dying because they
stood up for themselves, democracy and for women's rights. In Iran.
This is a country whose main and very vocal objective
is to destroy the country of Israel and its population.

(37:21):
I firmly believe that if they had a nuclear weapon,
it would certainly have been used upon Israel. They are
a death cult where to die is to be a martyr.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah. I mean what they did to their population just
a couple of years ago. I think it was fifteen
hundred people of members of their population were murdered for
protesting in Iran just a couple of years ago. And
those are the official Iranian numbers from the government, so
likely to be a lot more than that. Mike says,
this now looks like an unholy jihad. The Jewish Israelis,

(37:52):
the Muslim Iranians in the Christian US ll share the
scriptures of the Old Testament of the Bible. What a
huge mess. Yeah, It's funny how things just play out
again and again again again over history. Good afternoon, lads.
All I can say is that thank God Trump wasn't
the president during the Cuban missile crisis, I wouldn't be
sent you this text for a start, And could you
imagine Trump hitting on poor Marilyn Monroe?

Speaker 3 (38:13):
I can, yep, absolutely, I can definitely a couple more
to wrap this up. Good afternoon, guys. The day I
turned twenty two or nineteen ninety three, I was shipped
to the golf. All these years later, we still can't
get along. Luckily, now I will be too old to go,
but at least I came back. Real people dyeing these things.

(38:35):
It's not just numbers, too much anger and a few
causing innocent people to end. Birth rates of falling almost worldwide.
Let's help humanity grow quicker, shall we.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Oh that's a nice message, isn't.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
That it is?

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah? I mean that's right. In all this chat, would
you forget that real people die and real people suffer
in these events? Yeah, even surgical strikes kill people.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Absolutely good discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who
phoned in text on that. We will watch that story
as it continues to develop. And of course, our great
men and women of the Defense Force, some of them
are on route and who leaves to pick up our
citizens who are stranded in Iran and Israel. But thank
you very much for that discussion. Really interesting after two o'clock,

(39:16):
let's have a chat about regional councils. The Regional Development
Minister Shane Jones says, get rid of them is he writes,
oh weight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
It seems like a bit of a dichotomy and importance globally,
but yeah, yeah, regional councils. Yeah, let's get rid of them.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Let's get rid of the keen on your view. It's
three two two talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen,
Taylor Adams afternoons news talks. They'd be very good afternoons
to you. Welcome back into the show, seven past. Too
great to have your company as always.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, let's lower the temperature just a little bit.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yes, from quite.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
An intense discussion in the last hour.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Certainly was but a great discussion and thank you everybody
who called up really enjoyed that. And this will be
maybe there'll be a little bit of tension out there
on this discussion.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Speaking of lowering the temperture of it. Did I tell
you Tyler, tell you about my mid winter solstice bloody
jumping lake topor you did?

Speaker 3 (40:12):
You did? You're a mad dog man. I mean, that
is crazy town. Jumping into lake topor at this time
of the year. You were the only one in there
in your undies. Everyone was laughing at you, but you
felt good.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
There was I saw a various groups that did it,
but when I when I jumped in, it was I
was the only one. Pulled up screeched a holt in
the car. Tracy goes, get out. I run across some undies,
jump in the water and do a bit of a
paddle around for three minutes and then jump back out.
Felt great. You got to do that. Do it next year.
Come down with me next year to Topur and jump

(40:43):
in the water with me in your undies. See, I
know you're.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Into this cold water nonsense. You do it in the shower.
You crank it to as cold as it can get.
Your love, your ice paths. Just look. I try and
give a lot of things to go in this life,
but that's just something I could never get into. I
gave it a try. I last about ten seconds and
thinking this is nasty. It just feel pain. It's like
little daggers.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yes, but from pain we gain pleasure, such as the
way our brains are made.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Very true.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, the ventral palladium at the part of the brain
that tilts, which was if we have too much pleasure,
it creates pain. If we have too much pain, it
creates pleasure. That's the way it works, Tyler. That's where
you go for a run. That's a runners high. So
if you want to feel good about life, you can
have some beers, but then you'll have a terrible hangovers.
Or if you're like me, you jump into the icy
cold waters of Lake Topol and you come out feeling

(41:29):
like reborn and amazing.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
I'll stick with my warm showers anyway. Thanks, go way.
Let's get onto the regional council Another about jumping into lakes,
and let's talk about regional councils. So that the Regional
Development Minister Shane Jones, he said at the end of
last week, what is the point of regional government? He
asked that question to a bunch of local government members
who were sitting in that particular meeting. He said, after

(41:53):
changes to the RIMA, I don't see the point of
having regional councils. But here's a little bit of what
he said on this topic. He's been hot on this
for a long time.

Speaker 9 (42:03):
Recently, we cannot have a system of regional local government
in New Zealand that refuses to rapidly allocate resource consents
to drive growth, effect better outcomes for employment and local
government and regional government dot. Stop giving into these threats
coming from these hitherto unknown hapoos hapoo leadership. Join with

(42:25):
the rest of New Zealand and bolster our economy. Stop
pursuing your narrow, self serving interests.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
So there you go. And that's Jane Jones. And you
know he often has lofty rhetoric. He's a great speaker,
isn't he. But you don't necessarily think that this is
this would be a mainstream idea for the coalition government.
But then you're here Christopher lux Lux on Hosking this morning,
and he had this to say on this issue.

Speaker 10 (42:49):
You've got a lot of farmers and folk that having
to present lots of different information and lots of different ways,
and so I think that will naturally be explored as
part of the RMA laws. There's a lot of councils
doing some really dumb things and that is actually just
adding costs. And there's a lot of it's vanity projects
and nice to do stuff, not must do stuff. You know,
we want them. Folks on them must do things, and
we want them any really good value to rate payers.

(43:12):
So you know, looked we've already floated out there. We're
very interested in rate caps arm so we actually can
kept the amount of rate increases.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
There is actually some.

Speaker 10 (43:20):
Appetite from the local communities now for district councils to
start to think about how they might work together. You've
actually even got some local mayas advocating for amalgamation, you know.
And part of what's happening is as they work together
on their regional city deals, you know, we don't want
to deal with each individual council. We want to do
with groups subregions of New Zealand. And then you start

(43:40):
to logically say, well, why do we have different councils.
Why wouldn't we just work together permanently.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
So that's got to.

Speaker 10 (43:46):
Be a bottom up driven thing.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
So I think a lot of New Zealanders wouldn't really
know the difference between a regional council and their local
city council. No, and you might ask yourself, and I'd
love to hear on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
do you think that we need them or do we
just need city councils and central government.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
So you're talking about almost amalgamating or getting rid of
some of these councils. Would you amalgamate, you'd have to
amalgamate some of their powers into say, for example, Environment Canterbury,
which is the regional council, amalgamate that into the christ
Church City Council, or just allow government to undertake those powers.
When I see my rates bill and christ Church and
my rates payer in christ Church, of course there's two

(44:29):
thousand bucks a year I pay to Environment Canterbury. And
granted they run the buses and the public transport. God
knows why a regional council sorts out the public transport
for the likes of christ Church. Never could work that out.
But then they deal with pollution. They've got people that
go around with little readers to find out if you're
lighting a fire, because these fires parts of christ Churche.

(44:51):
Little men that drive around just figuring out they've got
wee heat senses and saying has that guy got their
fire on? And I just don't know whether I like
paying that much money to a regional council that I
hardly ever see from unless I jump on a bus.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Well, you've got two sets of consent rules arguably, and
amongst bunch for the things, you've got two rates bills,
and you've got two long term plans. Yeah, potentially crossing
long term plans. Perhaps the government just needs to do
everything that the regional councils do and the city councils
just focus in on what they need to do to

(45:27):
make their city succeed. I think more I personally think
local is better and this is a slightly different issue,
but I think the super city is crazy. Where we
are in Auckland. I think the needs of the North
Shore are so very, very different from the needs of
Central Auckland and the needs of West Auckland. In the
needs of South Auckland, they're just so wildly different before

(45:49):
you start looking at a wider Auckland area.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
I mean a lot of people would agree with that.
And there's been some discussion about amalgamation at Wellington, certainly
discussion about amalgamation in christ Church. I do get the idea,
and I'm looking at christ Church here, We've got this
beautiful new stadium that's going to be built next year.
You've got a beautiful new metro sports facility, a beautiful
new library. I mean all those anchor projects. So the
argument for a lot of people within christ Church was

(46:16):
the Salwyn District Council and the Wymarket Edy District Council.
Those residents are taking advantage of all these beautiful anchor
projects that only the people of christ Church are paying for.
But when you talk about amalgamation in Auckland, certainly hasn't
panned out how everybody thought it was going to pan out?

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Well, yeah, no, I would just say that they should
be seen as different cities. It's complicated, isn't it. But
you know, you just got to ask yourself, what does
the regional councils do? Yeah, that couldn't be done if
everyone was covered by their own council.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty are less councils better
for the country when we look at the regional councils,
as Shane Jones and the Prime Minister, right, Shane Jones
says quite straight up that he wants to do away
with regional councils. The Prime Minister is open to looking
at that. But what do you say, Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
And don't get me starated on unitary authorities.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
It is fourteen to two.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
What's that.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Your home of afternoon talk? Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call,
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Very good afternoon to you. We're talking about regional councils
around New Zealand. There's sixteen of them. Shane Jones, the
Regional Development Minister, he would quite like to see them
gone and instead those powers be transferred to central government.
What do you say our eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty The Prime Minister, speaking to Mike Costking, was somewhat
warm on that idea as well, certainly looking deeper into

(47:39):
the role of regional council but what do you say
the text numbers nine two ninety two plenty coming through, Hey.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Guys, a big fat nose e merging regional councils into
city and district councils. The bigger is the bigger these
councils get, the more expensive and untouchable. They can't become
if in thieves and will only get worse if we
give them more reasons to tax us. It will not
be an improvement. I reckon we had more accountability with
the old borough councils. There you go from Craig, thank
you so much. This Texas says no central government, just councils.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Yeah wow, because that is a bold move.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Well, if that was the situation, we'd just be we'd
be like the United States of America and the individual states,
individual states.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah, that'd be interesting, that would be very interesting. Oh
one hundred and eighteen eighty C number to call, David.
You reckon councils have made themselves unaffordable.

Speaker 17 (48:28):
Hi, David here absolutely. I live on the Company Coast
and the Council of just out of hand. They give
rate payers money to private businesses. There's one business that
had a handout of seven hundred thousand dollars and then

(48:49):
the same business was given a a loan, an unsecured
loan of eight hundred thousand dollars. That's a huge amount
of money from rate payers money. The council are not
supposed to be collecting rates to give to private business.
Since it is just one small issue with the council,

(49:14):
they've got out of hands and they need to be
reeled in. Their employment. The number of people they employ
has gone up by a huge port. Their wages have
gone up a huge percent. It's ridiculous, it's unaffordable. When
I did on a submission to the long term plan,

(49:35):
my first question of them.

Speaker 9 (49:37):
Is what.

Speaker 17 (49:38):
Research have you've done the affordability on mental anguish that
these huge ride increases are on the course to the
right players. They have done nothing.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Do you think that Do you think that the existence
of both regional and city councils adds to that rights problem?

Speaker 17 (50:00):
Absolutely, you've got more and more people being employed and
the productivity and you can read the long term plan
at the company district council is that their productivity and
has gone down. This is their marking themselves.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Do you think if you didn't have the regional councils though,
it would be two urban focused because that's what would
that tends to happen, that that people would just be
way too focused on the cities and and you know,
if you're on the outskirts, you'd be totally forgotten.

Speaker 17 (50:39):
I can understand that as being a risk, but I'm
sure it could be mitigated in one fashion or another.
At the end of the day, our rates are unaffordable.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
I'm paying six six.

Speaker 17 (50:55):
Hundred dollars a year for a small house. When I
first bought the house three years ago, it was just
around four thousand dollars. This is the sort of increases
these council councils are putting on rate players. And the
councils and the mayor do not represent the rate payers.

(51:17):
They represent themselves.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
So what do you think is the biggest the biggest
cost that that councils could cut back on, and what
they could cut back on that would keep rates down.

Speaker 17 (51:30):
Sure, now this won't be very popular that the amount
of money they give to maori and also give them
grants to paint the maris. I wish I could have
a grant to paint my my marai my house. It's

(51:51):
out of control.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
And what percentage do you think that is of expenditure, David.

Speaker 17 (51:59):
Well, I'm sorry, I'm driving at the moment and I
don't have those exact figures in my head, but I
certainly can get them to you. We've done a lot
of investigation about where our rates are going and information
in the long term.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Part I think of you called David, Yeah, I mean
certainly when it comes to regional council and this is
my own view, But why they handle public transport. I've
got no idea, but that is a big cost and
I don't have my breakdown. But as I mentioned a
little bit earlier, I pay five hundred bucks a quarter,
so that's two grand a year on top of what
I'm already paying counsel. And he's right about the cost

(52:41):
going up. And I know we all talk about that,
but it is massive pressure when and my rates haven't
gone up with the average across christ Hug has gone
up a lot more than that for various reasons, the
property value has gone up, et cetera, etc. But when
it's gone from about six hundred bucks per quarter to
over one thousand in the space of five years, that

(53:01):
starts to hurt.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
And you think extra bureaucracy is a big part of that.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you one thing that and this
will be controvert, but part of my rates go to
the rebuilding of christ Church Cathedral and I don't agree
with that. I think there is money there from other
sources without having the rates payers fronts up. And I think, look,
it's not much, it's about ten bucks a quarter, but
still the very fact that they're lumping that on rate payers,
I don't think is fare well.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Hang on a minute. There's always going to be things
you disagree with, right, yep, you're never going to be
agree with absolutely everything they do. You take topor I
love boom boom yeap boom Boom's a great stead.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
It's a great dinosaur.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
I love that dinosaur.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Some people don't want their rates going there.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
It's a very good point.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
West Coast four councils for a population of thirty five thousand.
This is an example of cost replication, replication, delays, and
inefficiency with circa two thousand, sorry circa I was going
to read that as two hundred and fifty thous three
hundred staff, and there'll be a lot of people to
be lost. There'll be a lot for the West Coast.

Speaker 8 (54:00):
No.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Two hundred and fifty to three hundred staff plus consultants.
We must be better. Yeah, And this Texas says we
are a tiny little country. All we need is central government.
We don't need these councils. I mean five million people.
I would say there's a lot of difference between Stuart
Island and you know, Matticana. That's what I would say.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty love to get your
thoughts on this. Is it time to scrap regional councils
or do they serve a purpose? It is twenty four
past two.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Matt Heathan Tayler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Very good afternoon. We're talking about regional councils. Is it
time to ditch to them? The Regional Development Minister Shane
Jones certainly says yes, and our Prime Minister was open
to the idea of looking at the role of regional
councils and whether some of their roles and responsibilities can
be transferred elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Yeah, the sexer says this is this is a real
go at me which I enjoy.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
You do acshally Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Boom boom sucks. Oh what Matt, Can we get a
day when you don't go on about boom boom and
top or it's dunedin cheese rolls, this topo that we
all know that you live in Auckland and drive a
saab man of the people, my ass, Take your boom
boom and your cheese rolls and wash them down with
a liberal chardonnay on your multimillion dollar upland deck.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Yeah, that is someone that's actually met you. I've got
your number, mate, that is. I mean, I can't argue
with anything they are apart from Boom Boom.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
I don't think you can go like, look, I get
counsel over spending, I absolutely get it. But I don't
think you can go past Boom Boom, which is a
dinosaur statue, a piece of art in top War and
not feel joyed. And they see the kids around it.
It's like a bubble blow up dinosaur.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
I question boom Boom, But then when I saw a
picture of us, thought, yeah, no, fair enough. Boom Boom
is amazing. Go google Boom Boom.

Speaker 12 (55:54):
And to war.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Boom Boom's the best of us. Yeah, exactly, Barbara, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 18 (55:59):
Oh thank you hello. You know, I reckon they should
get rid of regional councils, but I also think that
they should keep a closer eye on the main councils.
I'm in the Palmas North City council area and I've
got my own home and everything, and you know, they
just spend money like water. They just they put the
rates up and then they put the parking up. They

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put everything up. They can take more money off everybody.
I'm actually a pensioner, so you know, I don't complain
about that. I'm doing quite nicely. I've an owned house
and the car and everything. But I think they do,
you know, they don't think of the people much. They
spend a lot of money on rubbish and statues and
all that sort of thing, where you know, you've got

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to spend the money on the things that are important,
like the roads and the rubbish and all that sort of.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Stuff, so that the castle should.

Speaker 18 (56:48):
Be closely looked at, very closely looked at. Because I
have heard a few rumors lately that going on in
the Palmers North City Council that it really makes my
stomach churn.

Speaker 7 (56:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Right, So you think it's that a lot of money
has been spent on nice to haves when they need
to just work on the basics and sort out the
basic problems.

Speaker 18 (57:07):
Barbara, Yeah, differently, that that would be my e And
I don't think the regional councils that you know, from
what I see in my rates, I don't think they
do very much. I think they could combine it then
and just send over to this city council. What they
don't do yeah, and a lot of people have done.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
A lot of peop would agree with that, Barbara. Can
I run you through some things that that councils pay
for and see if you think it's good value for money?

Speaker 18 (57:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Sure, all right, cooking classes, how to add libraries? You're
into that? No, no, okay, not a council responsibility. A
statue of boom boom and topor.

Speaker 18 (57:45):
I don't know, I probably, I don't know. If I
love you, I might have a different view.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
But anti statue when you started off, Barbara, but boom boom,
I'd say.

Speaker 18 (57:55):
No to the statues. But you know, it sounds like
from the last guy said that people getting a lot
of joy out of it. But I can't see why
you get joy out of a dem statue when you're
anyone something else does.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
That's a pretty cute statue, Barbara. Some statues so so
the kids love it. The kids love it?

Speaker 18 (58:11):
Yeah, yeah, your status are enough for me anyway.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Yeah, but I hear what you're saying, Barbara. Yourecon sewerage,
roading the basics, make sure the infrastructures aren't to scratched,
and then you can have your nice to heads.

Speaker 18 (58:22):
Yes, yeah, yeah, because they Actually the parking here is disgusting.
Every Wednesday, me and my ex army mates we all
meet for a morning tea and last week we all
got a seventy dollars ticket.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Yeah, that's mine.

Speaker 18 (58:35):
Was for being three and three or four inches over
the line. And it wasn't even a parking ticket. Was
three inches over the line and on the on the
side where it was over there was nobody allowed to
park there anyway.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Yeah, look, you know it cost.

Speaker 18 (58:48):
Me seventy dollars.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah, you've started on parking or parking or parking charges
of theft. If you ask me afternoon, are you're talking
about scrapping regional councils or local councils. You're asking about
regional councils, but you and your callers reference the role
of local councils. Both have important roles, but a robust
democracy means functionality should constantly be locked at. Yeah. I
mean we are blurring the lines because our original question

(59:11):
was around Shane Jones calls to essentially get rid of
regional councils. But when you're talking about councils, there's all
getting blurred between between the two. You know, we're happy
to talk about councils in general, But we're really the
primary question we're asking is do regional councils just you know,
are they two cents of consent rules, two rates bills?

Speaker 13 (59:34):
You know?

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Is it just extra bureaucracy and cost and you know
it does? It does? Are they really doing enough? Are
they just adding to inefficiencies in slowing progress and making
it harder to make decisions that make our rates bills
come down?

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Yeah, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Are they actually value
for money regional councils? And should they go? As Shane
Jones is indicated, he'd like to see eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call headlines with Wendy
coming up.

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Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Thank you very much. Wenny. Now, just before we go
back to our discussion about regional councils, there's been a
call from Shane Jones to get rid of them. You
might recall about two weeks ago we were having a
great discussion about the good old Sunday Roast and we
had a call from a woman called Kathy. She's lovely,
but her oven was not working. So and Kathy is

(01:01:44):
on the line right now. Kathy.

Speaker 13 (01:01:46):
Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Tyler, good afternoon, Matt. I just
want to say I can't thank you enough for how
you helped me. You are just wonderful. And my oven's working,
and that company called Axel, the lovely man that came
out to fix it was just superb And I'm just
bringing up to say thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Oh bless you. Kathy. What have you cooked in the
oven since you've got it?

Speaker 13 (01:02:11):
I'm only so bad like something out of the freezer,
you know. I've frozen out of the supermarket just to
see how it goes and everything. So I'm going to
get more adventurous. But just having that lovely piping hot
meal come out of the oven was just wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
We're so chugh to hear that, Kethy. And I will
say as well, because it was Chris from Exel who
got in touch with us when you heard your story.
And good people, very good people. With Excell.

Speaker 13 (01:02:38):
It was Chris that came out here.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
He's the owner, he's the big che Oh my gosh.

Speaker 13 (01:02:48):
He's coming back again because he didn't have a replacement
one of the elements just time. You know, it's not
imperative or anything like that. So he's coming back on Thursday.
He's going to put that other element back in for me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Well, feel a good story we've got to say about
Exel and Chris. He asked us not to credit them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
No, no, when I when I when we said we
were going to them, a bit of a shouted. He said,
please don't do that, Please don't do that. I'm just
oh Kathy's story. I want to help her out and
it's an easy Joe. He was very humble. It's an
easy job for me, no stress. But thought, nah, none
of that. If you're a good bugger like Exeal Appliance,
Servicene and Parts in Auckland, you deserve a shout out
Chris as the owner, as what.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
We've betrayed his trust. Yeah, sorry by sharing that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
You might be embarrassed if you're listening, Chris, but go
and check them out if you've got any problem with
your appliances. Exeal appliance service in in parts in Auckland.
They're in Mount Wellington. Chris as a owner, his wife
works in the back office. Good good, New Zealanders.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
And that makes us very happy. Kathy. Yes, you can
cook up your macaroni cheese exactly. Hey, Matt and Tyler.
The caller complaining about the cost of painting, but I
has been misinformed. The cost of painting but I comes
from a contested fund that also gives grants to paint
country halls which are owned by country hall trusts. That's
from Reuben Ah. Thank you for your text, Ruben.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Good to clarify that plenty of texts coming through on
regional councils should we do away with them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Working in a small company, people are held accountable because
there's no way to hide. And some of those small
companies have grown to become big companies and the people
hide and productivity goes down as well as profit, so
then they start cutting staff to become smaller and more profitable.
Too many people are in council for their own benefit,
very sad and selfish on their part, and those that
are there for the good of the people normally get

(01:04:30):
run out of town and bullied and they leave.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Okay, Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
That sounds like a person that's against the extra.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Layer of regional councils certainly does. And this one loves
regional councils. Well, you can see the merit and some
of the things they do, get a guys. Regional councils
monitor rivers, flooding and build stop banks with the local
councils bother with that. They monitor farm discharge into rivers
for nitrates and phosphates, etc. What city council would bother
with that. They do a lot of jobs that other
councils couldn't be bothered with or would do poorly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
The six there's time to als attack around council expenditure
rather than argue over non essential essential expenditure, which invariably
becomes a clash of class and cold. Fix a budget.
Final essential assets and services take priority and must be
fully funded. Any discretionary funds remaining a limitless ceiling presentee
presently can be allocated to arts, beautification, et cetera. But

(01:05:21):
not all within a fixed budget. Not but all within
a fixed budget, not exceptions. No argument. That's from Pete,
So he's basically, I mean it might be hard to
decide when everything's fixed him and how long is a
how long's a piece of strength? You know, everything's fixed,
everything works done. Yep, now let's put up a statue.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Exactly Wayne, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
Good? Thank you? It was really really company to hear
the dead lady in here over and it was nice
after I listen everything's happened during the day to see
a bit of a bit of what happened was the
company that looked after here. And she was very very plete.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Yea, we're chuugh for it. Everyone needs an oven And
that sounded like that macaroni cheese was d piping, not
so which.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Up for it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
My story is probably little bit different from the regionals
I used to be on.

Speaker 8 (01:06:16):
I was on the first.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
White Tackeri City Council that started in nineteen eighty nine,
and I was elected on that first one that went through,
and we went through for years. We had Tim Shadbot
for a while as a corbentary, and then of course
by Bob Harvey, and then of course then along came
the supersity and everyone was thinking, oh my gosh. And

(01:06:40):
I think a lot of the cales loaded up there
dead onto the Auckland council and it was just become
crazy and everyone's saying supersity, what supercity. It's not a supersity.
It's all a load of garbage and things weren't going well.
And of course, if you had a treeover of fence
used to in the old days, used to be able
to sort of go and get the parks guy. Hey

(01:07:00):
can just get a guy with a chainsawn it and
just trip that a couple of branches, whatever it is.
And it was fine. And at the moment now with Auckland,
you've got to you've got to go into a triple
get and you've got to get health and safety and
all sorts of stuff putting out canes and stuff to
trim a branch.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
What do you say to the idea that, you know,
the people that are making those decisions should be driving
the streets every day that they make those decisions on.
Because that's the argument, isn't it that if you are
on the north shore of you know, of the super city,
or if you're out in wait Tackley, your council offices
should be in that area and you drive the place

(01:07:37):
that and so you basically sit in your own filth.
You have to live in the decisions you make.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
Yeah, I think at the same time you're aware a
lot of those things because it's not the same as
it is now. Things were done more less by somebody
or can you go and do this, or can you
go and do that? Or other than they have to
go through all the paperwork and that we get today.
It's said, really, but do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
You think anything got better with the super city?

Speaker 7 (01:08:07):
Wayne?

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Sorry, do you think anything got better with the super city?

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
No? No, not far from it. Far from it. Rubbish
and doing things and getting somebody. Look, in the old days,
council or community board member like I was, you could
get somebody you can from the public. They could actually
ring you up or send your name. Ar Wayne, I've
got this blah blah blah, and you could just go

(01:08:34):
and see somebody and it got initiated straight away eventually.
Now you just hasn't got that close constence, because I'm
afraid councilors and the board members are on another level.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Yeah, that's good point.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
So you'd say city councils just councils, No regional councils, Wayne, Yes,
or unitary whatever is.

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
I was really good in the old days, were used
to worry about the White Tackers and they're not. I'm
a done whether I'm talking about the wrong thing, but I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
No nopot on no love talking to you. And you've
got to say, Bob Harvey, what a great New Zealander.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Certainly, Yeah, see he's still he's still commenting on a
few things, isn't he. Bob Harvey was a fantastic met
for White Taki.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
He's eighty four years old, but I saw him speaking
in intermediate a couple of years ago and you can
tell the story of his life was very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Absolute legend. Can you get your views on oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty regional councils? Should we do
away with them as Shane Jones wants or do they
actually have a part to play? Love your thoughts. It's
sixteen to two, Part.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Three, The Issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons
new Stalk zbb.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
You stalk be very good point you've just.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Made in the air break there, Tyler, Well, GEZ the
gst on rates, Yeah, that is that is scummy behavior
feels criminal, doesn't it? So you're paying rates for what
you know, you're already paying huge amount of tax that
we pay for central government and then you're paying rates
and then they grab fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Percent triple dippy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
So here we go talk about to talk about this
as well. It's the same point.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
Yeah, you've just stolen the thunder.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
You too, No, you add to the thunder because it's
a revelation to me. I had never thought about that before. Rod.

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
No, well, you know it's not on. Let's put it
this way. The rate payers throughout the country could get
a seventeen and a half percent. I think the GST
is at the moment, doesn't I would have.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
To double check those numbers, but I did look this
up on the GST and it would be no surprise
to you, Rod, that local government New Zealand, and they
represent a lot of the councils. Obviously they would like
to see that GST return to them. And infor metrics
calculated that would be one point one billion. So one
point one billion is quite nice. But I imagine you
don't want councils to get that money back. You would

(01:10:55):
prefer the rate payers to get that money back.

Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
Well, there's two alternatives. Either they just eliminate GST on
rates because rates is attacked. Let's face it, So what
why are we paying a tax on another tax?

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:11:12):
I mean put it this way, if you were suddenly
asked to pay GST on your income tax, how would
you feel?

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Yes, it's well, yeah, I mean the same argument can
be made for you know, your your fuel tax and
the excise tax. They put that all in before they
then add GST on top of it, so what have you?

Speaker 5 (01:11:32):
Because the other alternative is that a certain proportion of GST,
when it's generated in a certain area, it gets returned
to that area. Now, yeah, the percent or ten percent
goes back to the local government and they can use
that to improve their infrastructure. And I mean that becomes

(01:11:53):
very important for areas that have very small ratepayer bases
because they you know, they're having to provide things for
tourism and they can't actually afford it. It all comes
back onto the ratepayer, and if they were to get
some of that GST back, that would help ease the
burden on the local ratepayers.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Yeah. It's a lot of money for the government to
lose though, wasn't it one point one billion dollars in GST?
So that was what was collected in twenty twenty two.
According to for Metrics.

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
That another way to get it. I'd find another way
to get it, wouldn't they cool?

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
So returning GST on rates to councils would cost one
point one billion. It's funny how they put it like that,
because it's currently costing ratepayers one point one billion. So
you're paying for something to happen in your town, but
that money's disappearing. Yeah, so that's is.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
That triple de that's probably almost quad deping at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Well, you should at least and look, I'm not sure
if this is happening. I don't think it is, judging
by the outrage and getting on the text machine, but
councils should at least be able to claim or the
GST they pay the government back. Yeah, so whenever they,
you know, they buy goods and services, they should be
able to get the GSD back on.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Otherwise, you dirty central government?

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
What do you say that eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call? It is ten three?

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
This Texas says, get rid of authorities altogether, let people
fend for themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Mats chime.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
It is seven to three, Jason says.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
When you think about it, though, we pay income tax
and then all of the other taxes on top of
that as well. I would love to see either income
tax and no GST or high a GST with no
income tax. Yeah. Right now, we pay an insane amount
of tax, and then there's people lining up to tell
you that your scum. The biggest taxpayers are scum and
should pay more.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Yeah, if they can slip through a tax.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
It's one thing that as much tax, but it's another
thing to be paying a whole heapertax and people still
abusing you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
For it exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Simon, Welcome to the show, Simon Wolf. How are you?

Speaker 7 (01:13:55):
Yeah, hi guy, Yeah, you might know. I've had experience
in both areas of local government in the regional council
now in nine years on the city council, and local
government is a mess. It needs review, it needs reform,
but also central government need to treat it more seriously

(01:14:16):
as a vehicle that that can be more effective and
more efficient. And you know, Wellington's a really good example.
You know, we on the regional council, we have the environment,
we have transport, but you know where where where we're
sort of interlinked with a rural a big rural area

(01:14:38):
to the north of us, in an urban area in
within Wellington, but there's a lot of cross subsidization there.
There's it just needs to be streamlined more. Part of
the big problem with cost is government compliance and party politics.
Each time a government puts out a national policy statement,

(01:15:02):
generally a council will have to to move and change.
But there's nothing, no remuw generation to help that happen.
So you have to employ, don't you you you you
really You've got new new lines that you've you've got
to sort out. So it's it's interesting, but certainly from

(01:15:26):
my experience, it's not getting any better. It's getting worse.
One of the things that I should just let you
guys know is that there are there are three or
four different types of council. People are getting confused district council.
You've got a district council, you've got a city council,
and you've you've got a regional council. And then in

(01:15:47):
Auckland you've got a unitary and I think with Wellington
we should be looking to have a phased amalgamation, you know,
the two huts together, Wellington and PORI Ruh together to
start off with maybe a carpety and horror FORU and
the wire wrapper or all to phase this amalgam.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Yeah, Simon, we've we're hot against the news, but we've
got more questions for you. So we'd love to bring
you back after the news and throw this. Yeah, you'll
be all right with that perfect you just told.

Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
Yep, and I'm not scared at all.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
You're a good man. We can see that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Otherwise, we're gonna have to get you to speak really
fast and some key points.

Speaker 7 (01:16:28):
Yeah, I'm happy to wait.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
We're already confusing types of councils, so we need to
we need to ask you some questions.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Right, We're going to come back with with counselor at
Simon will very shortly New Sport and Weather on its way.
Great TV you company. If you've got a question about
regional council, you can tix it through nine to nine too,
and we'll put that to Simon and about five minutes time,
New Sport and Weather on its way. You're listening to
matt and Tyler. Very good afternoon to.

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You your new home for insateful and entertaining talk. It's
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Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
Sebby, Good afternoon, Gi, you welcome back into the program.
Seven a past three. Now before the news, we've got
a call from Simon Wolf. He has been a city
councilor and is now a regional councilor in Wellington, so
he is a very good person to chat to when
it comes to this discussion about regional councils and their worths. Simon,
thanks for hanging on.

Speaker 7 (01:17:30):
Thanks Matton, tylerne pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Now now Simon, as you pointed out, we've all got
tangled up and tripped up and everyone's talking about different things.
The being infused and we should have probably sorted this
out right at the start of last hour, but just
so we are all talking about the same thing, can
you briefly explain the key differences between regional councils and
city or district councils and unitary councils.

Speaker 7 (01:17:55):
Well, probably the best example is Wellington with it having
a city council which handles the the urban requirement of
it should be the pipes and the roads and the
parks and the libraries, but it does get into other things.
Whereas the regional council is the region of four hundred

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and fifty thousand going up to Wrapper and across to
Otaki and down back to Wellington, and it's urban and rural,
but it handles really only the public transport offering the
trains in the in the buses, and also the environment
which is a very very technical area. In fact, both
are technical areas.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
So we've got little council, we've got other little councils
underneath that major regional council as well, not under but
you know in the same district.

Speaker 7 (01:18:45):
Yeah, within the within our district. You know, we've got
some carpety obviously the two huts and also.

Speaker 11 (01:18:54):
The three.

Speaker 7 (01:18:57):
Councils in in the wrap, so you know, like it's
a hotchpotch and each have their different prerequisites and it's
it's really really hard to align the ball fairly.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Do community boards play any part with regional councils? What
they bring to the table at the community level, does
that have any bearing at the regional council levering.

Speaker 7 (01:19:20):
No, No, regional council well, our regional council certainly doesn't
have community boards, but we do align ourselves with some
of the community boards that are more rurally aligned, you know,
like I go along to Macro Ohario Community Board from
time to time when they have difficulties with the farming

(01:19:44):
or the environmental sort of side. But there again is
an anomaly because we actually should have more involvement with
those communities. Shane Shane Jones and his little speech last week,
he knew exactly what he was doing, serving up some

(01:20:04):
publicity about regional councils, and I think he was more
it was more with and more. It was more talking
about not just the regional councils, but the district and
the city councils that were in the regions. And Shame's
really good at this. I just hope that he drives
some some review and reform because it's really really important.

(01:20:27):
It is costing us, it's costing everyone, and you know,
there's it's in a way part of the problem is parochialism.
Some of and some of your call has talked about,
you know, we're only five million and we've got all
these little councils. We would be much more effective efficient
and especially from a rate paying perspective, if some of

(01:20:53):
the councils were merged and were amalgamated, and particularly you
look at the issues with water. You know, the great
at Wellington Regional Council and the City councils all have
part interests. You know, there's a lot of duplication and
triplication going on and it's really full, it's really full hearty.

(01:21:16):
It's not practical or pragmatic. But I think you're probably
the biggest issue within councils generally. And I've experienced both
both the good and the bad of this is where
councils either have a good culture or a bad culture.
And you know, like coming from the Wellington City Council

(01:21:37):
to the Regional Council, I would just never go back.

Speaker 13 (01:21:41):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:21:41):
The Regional Council has great leadership all the way through.
It's structured really really well. The counselors have expertise and
if I was to say anything, you know, like I'm
on a steep learning curve in my first term. But

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there isn't the party politics that you got in the
Wellington City Council. And we've been able to make decisions
and have robust conversations. There's creative creative tension quite a
lot of the time, but we work together to try
and create solutions. We're not perfect and the model of

(01:22:22):
of of councils is just terrible.

Speaker 17 (01:22:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
So would you suggest, would you suggest just regional councils then,
so less councils, just regional councils.

Speaker 7 (01:22:32):
Well, I wouldn't call them regional councils. There would be
some some other turn that you know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Well, if there was only then they could just be
called councils.

Speaker 7 (01:22:42):
Yeah, I think. I think so with with community boards
feeding in, I think that's really really important because you've
got to have the engagement and the feedback.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
This might this might seem like a silly question, but
if there's you say, this duplication, so who has the
final say? So if there's if there's if you've got
the city Council and the regional council disagree on something
in a duplicated area, who who has the authority?

Speaker 7 (01:23:14):
Well they just fight it out. And you know that's
what's happening at the moment with Wellington City and the
Regional Council. In relation to the regional Council has the buses,
and the city council is the road enabling authority and
says where you can put bus stops and what you
can where you can put yellow that it's absolutely a

(01:23:39):
terrible situation that occurs. And with that you have your
political views that influence what goes on there. And you
can have the most reasonable, pragmatic officials or even on
one side, elected people, and on the other you might
have ideology and it's gonna just stalemates and you get

(01:24:05):
all this conflict that who pays the rpe Well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
Even outside of the even outside of the elected councilor's simon,
would you agree that at the city council or the
council level staff members sometimes it's the tail wagging the
dog where it appears regional council, you as an elected
member have more say.

Speaker 7 (01:24:26):
Yeah, I haven't found that at regional council. I certainly
found it in the city council. Of my nine years,
I certainly found that there were areas there that people
perats protected. You know, they've ren fenced themselves, and it
wouldn't have mattered what sort of votes went through that

(01:24:46):
if there had been changed, it would have been really
really slow. If any whereas the situation that I found
on the regional council, that that does not happen. Fortunately,
we have a two really strong leaders politically and operationally,
and I think they're both really pragmatic people focused, they

(01:25:07):
have empathy, and they have technical expertise as well, and
they lead us really well. And you know we're not
we're not faultless. You know that we're certainly not. And
the other thing is that you know you're having to
jump through hoops and change direction all the time. You
know that the continuity and consistency largely because of government

(01:25:33):
and the national policy statements, You're you're always on edge,
and it doesn't matter what council you're on. You have
to to refocus and reprioritize all the time, and something
is going to get left behind. And that that is why,
that's the big reason why I believe that that councils

(01:25:54):
are wieldly and that central government doesn't take local government
seriously enough to be able to have them both work
the right way.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Now, if we think that regional would be better than having,
you know, like larger councils, why don't we just take
it right to the top and just have central government.
There's only five million of us, So why don't the
decision making all get done by central government? I don't know,
you could empower electorate MPs or some form of I
don't know, an MP for each each part of the

(01:26:26):
country or whatever. Why why don't we just expand it
out that central government makes all the decisions.

Speaker 7 (01:26:31):
Because I think that you know, central government, they couldn't
cop you know, I believe that the workload of a
city councilor in particular, and regional councilors in metros in
particular is huge. You know, it's a really really big workload.

(01:26:55):
I'm not it's not just being too disparaging of MPs,
but I'm not sure that that within what they have
to handle currently, and to have that added on would
be a good thing. Let alone, you do want the
democratic process, that there is the need to have localism represented.

(01:27:21):
I think, you know, count the less layers the better.
Mat and Tyler. Really there are too many layers. But
I don't think canning councils is the right right way.
It's scanning some of the it's condensing stuff so that
it takes away some of the conflict and the costs.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
Simon great to get your expertise, Thank you very much,
and good to break that down, and good luck going
forward with your regional council role. I was going to
say it was a bit like Turkey voting for Christmas.
But I think to Simon's point, he would prefer regional
council to become just the council and you take party
politics and in fighting away from it, and he's found

(01:28:03):
regional councils far nicer, less toxic environment than the city council.

Speaker 10 (01:28:07):
World.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Well, how about this one idea which will people that?
Well before I was saying they, I don't think the
super city works because I think people on the North
Shore and people and we stalk them have very different needs. Right,
but let's just for argument's sake. Four councils, Okay, South Island, yeah,
Lower North Island, Central North Island, Upper North Island.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
One for the South Islands.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Well population wise, right, so you know three quarters of
the population live in the North Island, so you have
just one South Island council and three North Island councils.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
I don't like it. You know, the numbers stack up
for you population wise, but no, no Southland, at least.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Your dirty cantabs would forget about the headquarters would be
in christ Church, and you guys would completely forget about
dned and in Vicargol and Nelson, wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
You In that case, I'm actually down for that a
great idea, Simon, thank you very much for giving us
a bars in your expertise. That was great. Right, We're
going to play some messages and when we come back,
we want to have a chat about the likes of
Uber each, door Dash and Milk Run. Have we become
too lazy? We'll find out very soon. It is nineteen
past three, very good afternoon tune twenty one past three,

(01:29:21):
So let's have a chat about this. Milk and bread
to the door supermarkets are adapting. Is the small order
deliveries takeoff, so popp into the supermarket for milk or
bread or your whole grocery run for that matter. Is
becoming a thing of the past as shoppers are dialing
up the same day delivery online to get essentials delivered.
So these are apps that we have been using for

(01:29:42):
some time, like Uber Eats, for example, door Dash and
a new contender that I believe either launched this year
or late last year, Milk run. It is now so
strong that some local supermarkets are having to grow their
office hours to accommodate these out of office orders that
they're getting through their websites.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
How lazy are people and disorganized? That's the problem, isn't it.
And when I say people, I mean me because you know,
I'm ordering my my groceries rather than going in and look,
it doesn't help that my favorite supermarket burned down the
other day to say, I mean, I'll give you that
one because I used to enjoy going to that supermarket.
But is it just lazy? You know, we've got this

(01:30:22):
sort of obesity epidemic in this country. We're getting fatter
and fatter, and yet we're doing less and less. So
if you can't even leave your house to go browsing,
I mean, our ancestors used to have to hunt down
a wally mammoth with a spear all day. It would
take them, yeah, and then bring home dinner. Now we
can't even be bothered walking around with a trolley to

(01:30:42):
just pick things off shelves. Now we've become so pathetic
that we sit at home, including me, and just press
some buttons. It's just moving our little fingers and like
if you're me. Sometimes I'm sitting downstairs and I'll just
order something because I can't be bothered going upstairs to
check if we've got it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
In the French, you lazy bugger.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
I sit there and I go Tracy, if we got onions,
She's like, go up and have a look. I'll get
them just in case. Then you pile them on the
onions that you've got the last three weeks in a row,
one of them are sprouting.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
So you advocating for a step counter next to what
if you're buying your bananas. Unless you can prove that
you've done a thousand steps to earn those bananas, you're
not getting them.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
I just believe if we did all the chores, the
very basic chores that we used to do, then we
would probably be fine. We'd probably be healthy, we probably
wouldn't need to go to the gym. Yeah, but we're
just finding ways to do less and less. There's a
study that said that found that just remote controls and
that laziness of sitting there and not even moving at all,
just to change channels with remote control. Back in the day,

(01:31:39):
you know, and back in the day when I was
a kid, my dad had control of the dial or
the buttons on the TV. But even is right, Yeah,
even its getting up complaining about the rubbish that was on,
walking over and pressing the button and then walking back
down was enough to stop and going into a sedentary state.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
Yeah, yeah, Oh e one hundred and eighty ten to eighty.
Have we got too lazy? Certainly we are time for
I mean, the only reason I'd actually go into the
supermarket to do the weekly shopping is I'm not organized
enough to actually get online and the order. So I
don't know what that makes meat just poor planning, but
you're kind of for me. I just walk around like
a zombie, trying to find various different items. I walk

(01:32:18):
up and down the aisles. I don't know where my
spices are. I've got to ask people. It's just such
a punishing operation. Even though I go to a beautiful
supermarket New World in lanaev It's lovely. It's got the
pineapple machine. I really enjoy there. But the rest of it,
it is, that's a hard chore to do at the
end of a workday, when you're tired and you're going
to push around a trolley trying to find items. It's horrible.

(01:32:39):
It's like it's like hide and seek.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Tell you to your buddy, great great great great great
great great great great great great ga great great great
great great great great great great whatever. I'm too shagged
to go and kill a wooly memoth tonight. Yeah, well
good luck mate, everyone's starved.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Yeah, I wouldn't be here, so thank you, great great,
great great great whatever. Oh eight one hundred and eighty
tonight is the number of coop? Are we getting too lazy?
Do we need to push back at some of these apps?

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Yeah? Do we need to re I mean, it does
seem crazy that we're saying. Do we need to push
back to the point where we just go and pick
up the food that we eat? Or please come and sell,
sell the dream and sell the absolute dream. Maybe because
you've ordered in the food, you get to go and
play golf or something, or go to the gym. Maybe
it's not a laziness thing. And I'd like to hear

(01:33:22):
from people that want to sell the dream of actually
going to the supermarket as well. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty twenty five past three.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call, oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on used talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
Twenty eight past three. Are we becoming so lazy that
we can't even go in grocery shop? It appears we are.
The popularity of apps such as Zuberreaches, door Dash, and
now milk Run is so strong some local supermarkets are
having to accommodate the growing number of orders outside their
traditional hours.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Tyler, we used to hunt and gather. We used to
We used to browse the ground looking for food. Now
we order in our food and we sit in front
of the TV and just spend hours browsing through streamers
to decide what to watch. Yeah, this text says people
at a discusting too lazy to get their food, just
sit at home, order and don't even cook. Just plug.
Why don't you just plug into a stomach pump, fill

(01:34:15):
yourself up until you explode, your losers, that's pretty Oh,
when are we talking about? So that sounds like the
far end of the spectrum of what we're talking about here.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
And when you say we used to hunt, hunt, certainly
I never have never hunted in my life, but our
great great great grand ancestors did. And now we can't
even be bothered getting off the couch to go down
to the New World to get some bananas. We just
order them online and get them delivered straight to the door.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Michelle says, hey, guys, nice to get the Willy Mammoth
supplied and frozen meal form too, when the alternative is
standing overwhelmed and supermarket thinking, but what the heck am
I going to buy and cook? Yeah that's for Michelle. Yeah,
good call. Yeah, I mean, and you know, I mean
that's the other part of the situation. If I go
to the supermarket, I'm spending a whole lot more than
you know, the dry ordering online that doesn't have the

(01:35:01):
same visceral effect on you. Yeah, especially the booze section.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
And I guarantee you if our ancestors could tap some
rocks together and then instantly there's a nice day there
for the whole tribe. They would have done that. They
wouldn't have ran all day if they could just go
people book Oh look it's a member, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
But then they would end up useless and lazy and
weak and overweight, like well, yeah, it's good boy. Hey guys,
this is lovely text from Christine. I love this. Hey guys,
Howby and I do the shopping on a Saturday morning
and always have breakfast in a cafe first, so relaxed
by the time we do it. See, that's that's nice.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
That's going back to basics.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
That's that's beautiful. Jonathan. Welcome to the show, Jonathan, Judge Judge. Hi, Hey,
how's it going mate? So you deliver some of these
these items, do you? Jonathan?

Speaker 8 (01:35:44):
Yeah? I do over each and deliver eas what's across
both platforms yep.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
And and how you're finding the workload at the moment.
You're getting more jobs.

Speaker 8 (01:35:59):
Well through low and Lolington at the moment obviously the
down there, like you can, amount of tips are pretty
low as well because you get earned by job and tips.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:36:15):
Yeah, Milk Run is actually delivered.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
By over eats okay.

Speaker 8 (01:36:23):
And also deliver easy as well.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Oh. I thought, I mean you're the man in the
no but I always thought milk run was a was
a war Worth situation. But it's well, it's not. It's
run by purely Uber Eats.

Speaker 8 (01:36:37):
Well, so it's wall worse, but the delivery drivers uh
overeats and deliver easy.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
I gotcha.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
Hey, Jonathan, I've just got a quick question before we
get onto the subject. Why if you're an uber person,
do you you like do you choose to do eat
over transporting people? You know that the Uber eats rather
than just the Uber taxi type style of thing. Why
do you make that decision?

Speaker 8 (01:37:02):
Because I don't really want to get sack like you.
I don't really trust people to like jumping the car,
right all right. I have a day job as well,
so yeah, night job, So I just want to kick
myself safe.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
Yeah, and any can you make decent money delivering these
these these that Uber eats in delivering the milk run
and such?

Speaker 8 (01:37:27):
Absolutely? Yeah, So I made, uh, if I was working
a four days, about four hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
Oh yeah, it's not too bad.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
But you've got gas expenses and such that you have
to deal with us on top of that, you know,
taking away from that profit.

Speaker 8 (01:37:43):
Like I used Henry as a great tax app and
mileage as well, so it's very easy to playing for things.

Speaker 13 (01:37:52):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
So as your as your fuel I mean go going
into the weeds here, but as your as your guess
text adactable.

Speaker 8 (01:38:00):
The mileagers, Yeah, mileage yea.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Do you do you ever get And this happened to
me over the weekend. Jonathan and I'm not going to
get this guy into trouble because how is anybody going
to find out? But I was in an uber and
it was a text uber and the guy did me
a solid that he went to I needed something for
the dairy, so he kind of you know, went in
a different direction, and I said, I'm going to give you,
you know, twenty bucks for the for the hassle of
doing that, and he asked for the cash rather than

(01:38:26):
doing it on the app. Do you get that a
little bit? I mean, obviously you can't because Uber would
would be grumpy with you. But do you think a
lot of people are doing that to avoid the the
uber text?

Speaker 8 (01:38:38):
So I doesn't everyone over eight that was delivered easy?
It does so like you can't tip customers or drivers.
I mean can't tip drivers on deliver Easy. Customers know that,
so they'll.

Speaker 4 (01:38:54):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
Yeah, that's fair enough to And you enjoy it obviously, Jonathan.

Speaker 8 (01:39:00):
No, I love it. It's so good and like just exercise,
like exercise winding lot of stairs.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
So you get the order and then you go into
this supermarket and there's you pick it up and it's
all it's all packed up for you and then you
deliver it. That that's how it works, is there or
is there like our lockers that you pick it up from,
Just so I'm just interested.

Speaker 8 (01:39:25):
There's three there's three types of orders. So there's one
that you had to go to the counter, second one
there's the lock of ones or the third one it's
like on a rail, but you have to show staff
like the name on the order to collect it, so
you can't just go and get it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:44):
They do.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Watch that now, Jonathan. One final question for you. I
had a friend, right, lazy, lazy friend who got his
Uber Eats delivery to deliver it to his room. So
he said, here's that. The phone call came through. He said,
here's the here's the key to you know, here's the
coat of the door downstairs, come up on the third
room upstairs, and the I delivered it right to him

(01:40:09):
in bed. I mean, would you do that? Was that
disrespectful to ask for that?

Speaker 8 (01:40:14):
Uh? Like honesly's kind of annoying, but like, yeah, honestly,
I've gotten so many codes to heaps of buildings in Wellington.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
They hell is rolled with people.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Laziness can't even go to the bottom of the stairs.

Speaker 8 (01:40:34):
Yeah, So like there's so many I don't know, apartment
buildings that I've been to, and I'm like, wow, like
if you're neighboring you that you're giving me the code, like.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
Because you can't be bother coming down the elevator and exactly,
and what's the closest you've picked up and order from
and delivered it to a house? Because look, I'm not
going to name names. One of my kids ordered subway
for about one hundred and fifty meters up the.

Speaker 8 (01:40:58):
Yeah, honestly, Like just today I had a KFC pick
up and it was like two halses down. I'm like,
you couldn't done on it yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
It's twenty steps and you would have been there.

Speaker 8 (01:41:13):
Yeah, but you pay a ten dollar delivery set.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
Yeah. So are you horrified by the laziness of some people, Jonathan.

Speaker 8 (01:41:22):
Some bones? Yeah, but like I feel for older people,
some like older customers, like it's just easier for them, Yeah,
having to give an effort to car.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
I mean that must be great, great for some people
having this option. It must be for people, for the
people that are incapacitated and can't do it, this must
be a game changer for them. And I love that
part of it. Hey, thank you so much for you call. Jonathan.
Really appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
Yeah, really keen to hear from you if you're an
Uber driver or a door desh driver or milk runt
driver as well. I e one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
Sorry for punishing you the minute of your.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
Job, but I mean I didn't realize that existed. Like
your mate, so you tucked up in bed? Did you
just say to the Uber driver, come on and on third,
third door from the right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
Don't don't turn the light on, you know, just come
in and hand it to me and be what's heaven?
I won't even sit up, Yeah it is.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
Twenty three to four.

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Speaker 3 (01:43:34):
Thank you very much. Whndy and we're talking about these
apps like Uber each straw dash l. I've been around
for some time, but milk run is becoming incredibly popular.
A lot of supermarkets having to accommodate the growing number
of orders outside their traditional hours keeping workers had to
deal with it. Are we becoming so lazy that we
can't even pick up our own grocery?

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
Yeah, that's right. As I was saying before, we used
to have to hunt down our dinner with spears and
rocks and then skin it and cock it. And now
we don't even get at bed. We just go. We
can't even be bothered pushing a trolley round market to
get our food. It's lazy. And when I say us,
I mean me too. It's about the division of Labous's cam.

(01:44:15):
I'm not spending the time hunting that my ancestors it,
but I'm spending way more time than them doing something
in spreadsheets. It's a very good point. Apparently what I
do in spreadsheets is worth something, and I get paid
for that, and I pay people to do my hunting
for me.

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
Well said, well, good points, Yeah, very well said.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
I mean, that was the big change, wasn't it. The diversification.
You know, at one point we're all fishing, and then
there was someone fishing, and then there was a fishmonger,
and then there was someone else that was chipping away
making weapons, and that led to civilization. But you've got
to say, we are becoming increasingly obese and lazy, and
as someone pointed out before, you know, well, we'll do

(01:44:56):
weird things like go for a run or go to
the gym, but then not go to the supermarket, if
you know what I mean. So we'll do our we
we'll compartmentalize our activities.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
Softly, softly, though, if you do, you give me a
spear and say you can only eat what you kill
old staff, No doubt about it. I'm not I'm not
getting anything with a spear. Plenty of texts coming through
on nine to nine to two.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
Guys used to get the soufi to pack out groceries
and we'd pick it up. They're so understaff now that
you'd wait ten minutes for them to get it to
the pickup spot, almost defeating the purpose. Now pay the
monthly fee for unlimited deliveries. It's the only way to
go there, You.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
Go, Layson, you're another Uber delivery driver here.

Speaker 11 (01:45:37):
I am. How you doing guys? First time caller?

Speaker 3 (01:45:39):
Oh, welcome in. Nice to have you. And so as
an Uber delivery driver, I take it. Do you do
the milk runs and the door dashes as well?

Speaker 11 (01:45:48):
I don't. I only specifically do Uber eats right, and
only I only do uber eats because I find that
there's more jobs available. But things have changed since that.
I've been doing it full time for about eighteen months now,
but things have certainly changed the door dash a little
bit since that. I specialize in just doing food and

(01:46:10):
distilling her breats. And I do agree that we do
we have become lazy. I mean, you're right, maybe ten steps,
maybe not even twenty steps for a delivery. But and
you can. I mean I treat it as a full
time job so I can make enough coin to survive.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Is it rewarding work or is it punishing or both?

Speaker 13 (01:46:39):
I mean.

Speaker 11 (01:46:41):
A tough question. Tough question, Yeah, you could, you're right,
But I come from a hospitality background, so I enjoy
interacting with people and picking up your food and dropping
it after them, and the.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
People generally friendly when you're hand it over.

Speaker 11 (01:47:02):
Yes, generally. Yes. I mean there's there's you know, dealing
with that all the time. There's there's no no human interaction. Yeah,
but you might get you might get to a job.
And Matt, I need your ID for this alcohol delivery.
Oh what do you need that for? Well, it's the

(01:47:23):
same as being in a pub. Right, think you look
if I think, if I think you look under twenty five,
I'm going to ask you for I D but we
still have to scan it and we still have to play.

Speaker 4 (01:47:32):
By all the rules.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
Yeah, right, I didn't actually understand. I don't actually know that. Yeah,
potentially because I don't look under twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
No, have you? Have you ever? Sorry? Ego late? Sorry
you finished that?

Speaker 14 (01:47:44):
No?

Speaker 11 (01:47:45):
No, sor right, I was. I was just going to say,
it's it's just all part of it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
Yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:49):
Don't have to give specific examples here. But have you
ever found yourself in a in a situation you know,
you're knock on the door, You're there to deliver food,
and the door opens and you and you see something
yet you didn't want to see.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
I think you've been watching some short movies online, Tyler
can't can't say.

Speaker 11 (01:48:10):
I have, but you often get that. You often what
happens is you'll get to a delivery point and you
I send a message to the customer to say hey,
I've arrived, and they've got a certain amount of time
to get back to you. Otherwise you can cancel the
order on them. But it's a different thing. But often
you'll get there and you'll set the timer off. The

(01:48:33):
next minute you'll get a phone call or a message saying,
can you just leave it at the door?

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
I'm just in the tower, right, yep, yep. I mean
you could get that a lot.

Speaker 11 (01:48:43):
Yeah, yeah, but look, I enjoy it. I enjoy driveling
around the city. I work in christ Church, so and
I go anywhere from probably Lincoln to to Ingua.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
Oh jeez, that's a that's a big drive between those two.

Speaker 11 (01:49:00):
Yeah. I mean, you know, you get sent certain areas
and you can pick up along the way and say
no and say yes and so yeah, do you feel.

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
Sorry you go?

Speaker 4 (01:49:11):
I just enjoyed that.

Speaker 11 (01:49:12):
I just enjoy it, that's all. I also think what's
going on in the city.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
I always think about the pressure you'd be under though,
when it comes to like you know, you lose your
way or the foods because you know it's perishable, it's
only got so long before it's it becomes.

Speaker 11 (01:49:27):
That certainly falls upon you. Yeah, if you want to
order something from from from town going to the airport,
you know, and that's a twenty minute drive in the
middle of peak out traffic.

Speaker 4 (01:49:40):
That's that's your problem.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
Isn't it. I mean, if people are too lazy to
go and get their food for themselves or make their
own food that I mentioned, they're not really that. I'm
going to be checking exactly how far their food's going
and probably going to be a complaining type person. Anyway, Hey,
thank you so much for your call, Layton. I love
those insights.

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
Yeap, oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. We have time for a few
more phone calls on this.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
I agreed, we've got so lazy. Some people on eastcooters
look like they really could do with a walk. I mean, yeah,
I mean people are getting East scooters for five hundred meters.
You know, I'd question those people's yeah, right right to
keep their citizenship. It is third eight or four.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
They'd be afternoon. We've got a Tyler on the phone,
can I Tyler?

Speaker 15 (01:50:35):
How are we guys?

Speaker 3 (01:50:36):
How are we very good?

Speaker 9 (01:50:37):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
We've only got a minute and a half. My friend,
what's your thoughts about these delivery apps there?

Speaker 11 (01:50:44):
There?

Speaker 19 (01:50:46):
I used to be a delivery driver for Delivery Easy.
I was doing it full time. I do believe we
are getting a little bit lazy as the past couple
of people have said about you know, just being a
couple of hundred meters from the shop. You know, if
if they're going to do it, you know, it's all

(01:51:06):
right for you know, the like the elderly and the
and the you know, disabled and stuff like that. But
the big thing is, I reckon the delivery delivery companies
should set like a minimum delivery distance, you know, that

(01:51:28):
way because for some people actually doing this job is
not actually very profitable. But that's just depending on like
the k drive and stuff like that. But I reckon
if face yet a minimum distance for an order to
be ordered, not only is it more profitable a little

(01:51:48):
bit for the drivers, but it's also getting you out
of the house as well, because if you're too close,
you can't order it. Yeah, the egg and order from
some way further away that which is going to be
more affordable for the driver to drive and make money.
But if you don't want to pay to get it delivered,
then you just go out of the house and get
it yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
Makes a lot of sense ye, Tyler, thank you very
much for your phone call.

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
The sixer says, only do online shopping, so I'm not
tempted to add luxuries and it's cheaper overall. This person
says here that it's lazy and the best thing you
can do is put in the effort to make food
for your family and loved ones. Much more meaningful that way.

Speaker 3 (01:52:27):
Yeah, nice place to leave, right, got to play some messages,
but back very shortly eight two four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Used
talks be coming up at four It's Heather Duplessy Allen Drive.

Speaker 20 (01:52:45):
Surprise Attack and I run the question now is will
Donald Trump push for regime change as well? How do
kere we feel about Cook Island is continuing to have
access to our passports health system in New Zealand Super
We've got some exclusive following on that, plus Who's inn
and Who's out? Rugby editor Elliot Smith from the All
Black Squad announcement.

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
Asking the questions getting the information you need. Heather Duplessy
Allen Drive with on New Zealand, next on Newstorg.

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
Zebby That is almost us for today.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
Thank you so much to all your great New Zealanders
for listening to the show. Thanks so much for your
calls and text. We've had a great time chatting. Hope
you have too. The met Entile Afternoons podcast will be
out and about now, so if you missed our chats
or want to relive our heavy chat on how people
are feeling about the Iran situation, or our lighter chats
on regional councils and the ordering in of food, listen
and follow our pod wherever you get your pods. The

(01:53:35):
Sir Paul Holmes Broadcaster of the Year Heather Duplessy Ellen
is up next with all things Iran crisis. But right now, Tyler,
good buddy, Why am I playing this song?

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
I believe the song is called the Lazy Song? Is
this because we're all a bunch of lazy buggers that
can't even go to the grocery store like yourself, Matt Eathan,
pick up your groceries like our ancestors.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
Exactly, not that long ago, Yeah, exactly, well done. Now,
wherever you are and whatever you're doing until tomorrow afternoon,
give them a taste of kiwi and have a great time.
It's quite a good tun this love it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:18):
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