Full Show Podcast: 24 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hell are you great? You see us? Welcome to Matt
and Tyler Full Show podcast for Tuesday, the twenty fourth
of June twenty twenty five. It is podcast one five
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Speaker 3 (00:40):
Who and what a shot was today?

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
We did we What topic did we drop? We dropped
a topic because the landlord tenant chat went so freaking wow.
Hoarders hoarders got to do horders tomorrow. I really want
to talk about hoarders, but we didn't get to hoarders.
So if you hear us introduce hoarders and you're excited
about it, turn off immediately and delete the podcast because
it's not happening.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah. And a lot of pushback against me today being
an elitist monopoly man who is just collecting my riches
from my one rental property.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
He seems a little unfair as us clearly to be
someone that's just treading water and life. Exactly, you've been
turned into the monopoly rich guy.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, exactly. And they had a great hour on phone
calls out of the blue. Why you should answer them?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, I got pretty deep. Actually, I probably ruined the
byre bringing in the Canadian philosopher Marshall McLellan. That was
probably a little bit too deep. But then what are
you going to do?

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Oh we love it when it goes deep.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to talk about what I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Going to talk about exactly. Download subscribe, give us a
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Speaker 1 (01:48):
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Speaker 3 (01:59):
Very good afternoon. Do you welcome into Tuesday show? Hope
you're doing swimmingly wherever you're listening to the country great,
They of your company is always good.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
A man, get a Tyler, everyone, I'm throwing a sock
right now. I've just been throwing a sock out in
the Herald's sports department.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Tell me more.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well, they all got invited to the IF one on
screening last night and I didn't get invited.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
You were very very upset.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Normally I get invited to these movie screenings because I'm
a huge movie fan, and it's interstickted with being a
huge IF one fan. So this would be the perfect one.
I could have gone and they're all happy and joyful
about the going to see the excuse?

Speaker 3 (02:35):
I mean, we had our news man Jordan done. He
got an invite and he's a news he doesn't even
like if one.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I've been dropped off the screening list? Is that from
poor behavior at the screenings?

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Do we need to call about this? Andrew? We got
to follow it too late? This is outrageous, too late
now it was last night. So what are you going
to do?

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Just give it? Give it a bad review, that would
be so juvenile. Just make up a scathing review. The
reviews will be very good.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
I get caught out bitter days.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I guess I'll pay to go and see it on
Thursday night when it comes out. I guess I'll have
to do that.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
I'm so sorry to hear you've got to do that, mate.
Times are tough. You gotta do what you gotta do.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's a tough tough time to be me.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
It certainly is.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, I mean, like thoughts and press off anyone nine
two nine two is the text number if you want
to send your condolences for me being left out of
the f one screening.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, or if you want to say hard enough nine
nine two. We'll take both of those types of messages
right on to today's show, and it is a doozy
if we do say so ourselves. After three o'clock, what
is the etiquette around calling someone out of the blue?
So a big story in the Herald today. It's been
called tallephobia and akin to someone popping in unannounced. It was,

(03:42):
of course normal for our parents to just pick up
the phone and call whoever they needed unannounced. But with
new technology, a call out of the blue is making
people feel stressful or strange.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, So is it rude to just call people out?
Or have we gone completely insane and we've become so
scared of people we can't handle a phone call. What
are we doing? After two, Tyler?

Speaker 3 (04:02):
After two, we're going to talk about hoarders. Nineteen complaints
were made in one year about a home surrounded by
hoarding goods before it caught fire at the weekend in Hastings.
Neighbors and locals they've watched that pole in the grow
over the last few years and we're stunded a lack
of action from council book. We want to talk to
you if you've got a hoarder in your family, or
if you're a hoard.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yourself, Yeah, how did it start and how bad did
it get? Did you manage to help a hoarder? Or
if you are a hoarder or an ex hoarder, we'd
love to know you to explain it. How does it happen.
I can't get my head round it because I'm the
opposite of a hoarder. I'm just constantly trying to clear
everything out. It feels so good to get rid of it,
get rid of everything.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, that is after two o'clock. But right now, let's
have a chat about landlords versus tenants From July the first,
that is a week away today, all rental properties must
comply with these healthy home standards. So a good interview
this morning on herold Now with Ryan Bridge. He was
speaking to the head of Property Federation Met Bull and
Renters United, Zach Thomas. Here's a little bit of what

(05:05):
they had to say.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
I would say, and they're actually numbers to back this
up that eighty five percent of landlords and tenants are
happy with each other.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
It's a pretty good number.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
That's from an NB survey of landlords and of renters.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
So that's a great basis to build on.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
There's a small number where yeah, there's a bit of
disagreement where things don't quite go so well. And you know,
by the same token, you see stories about bad tenants
and bad landlords. It's great media to be honest story
like that.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
So that was Head of the Property Federation, Matt Bull,
And that's not bad stats eighty five percent of landlords
indicate that they're pretty happy with how things are going.
But here's what Renters United Zach Thomas had to say.

Speaker 6 (05:44):
When a tenant gets kicks out, they don't have a
roof over their head. If a landlord gets mucked over
by a bad tenant, they still have a roof over
their head. So there's a massive power and balance there,
especially now we've got no cause of victions, that it's
so important to get written communication. So many tenants live
in fair that they'll be kicked out just for standing
up for their rights at the moment. And if they
have a quick coll with the landlord and they don't

(06:05):
have it in written communication, they are at risk of
being kicked out. The standing up for their rights that
is not equal, That is not fair.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I mean, it's never going to be equal though. Is
it because someone owns the house and someone doesn't own
the house, and the idea that you know, a landlord
will always have a roof over their head. Is this
idea that landlords are rich. It's not. It's often not
the case. It's just people that are working really hard
and are trying to make a foothold for their for
their retirement, you know. It's it's just it's an interesting idea.

(06:36):
Not all landlords are slum lords, you know, running slum.
You know, that's not what they are. They're quite often
just hard working people trying to make a future for
themselves and their families, and they're risking it all. They're
topping up the rent, you're paying rent to live in
their house, and then they're paying extra to cover the mortgage.
So I just think there's a really odd way of

(06:57):
looking at things that is coming into this into the
conversation around around landlords and tenants. I mean, obviously tenants
have rights, but you just the portrayal ofandlords has been
these incredibly wealthy people that are exploiting the people live
in the house. I just think that's unfair.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, I agree, and as you know, I'm in the
position of being both a renter and a landlord. I've
been a landlord for about seven months now, and I've
got to say we did everything right, and I actually
agree with our healthy home standards, even though the process
was rarely punishing, and we want to hear from your
experiences on getting your home up to scratch with the
healthy home standards. Clearly there is some issues with those standards,

(07:36):
but we made sure that we got the right people
in and they had a couple of dogs, which was
important to us because we're dog people, and we bent
over backwards. But now there's a few niggles. And this
is pretty much a brand new home. It's only seven
years old, double glazed all the rest of it. But
now seven months down the track, we're starting to get
some complaints through our property manager. And I look at
that and think, I see where landlords are coming from now,

(07:59):
because we have it feels like bent over backwards to
make sure it's a good relationship, and then you made.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
The house better than it was when you were happy
to live in it.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 7 (08:08):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
We spent thousands getting that house up to scratch, which,
again I think the healthy home standards is the right
thing to do. But some of the niggles coming through
is just things we dealt with when we were living there.
They just a normal house. These are normal niggles that
happen in a property. But as I say, yeah, that
is that is our situation. But I can see it
from both sides. But love to hear your stories on

(08:30):
O E. One hundred and eighty ten eighty that balance
of power. Where does it sit now?

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah? And what about just people that want to live
in a rubbish house and pay much less? You know,
what about their rights? I mean when I first moved
to walk On and I couldn't afford to live in
a flash place, so I lived in a shed. I
lived in a shed out the back of a property
on Areki Street that wouldn't pass anything I was as
a young man. I was quite happy living in that shit.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
The price was right.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
My girlfriend broke up with me after staying one night
in there. She was like, there's like rats the under
the boards. But I was happy there. So what about
the rights from absolute scum moving up from the South
Island that just want live in Squalor for a while
where they get on their feet in a new city.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
It's very good point. If you're a South Island scum
and you're living in a shed. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It is fourteen
past one. Begvery shortly.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Afternoon.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
It is sixteen past one, Hey, just before we go on.
This is something I should have said to a caller
on the show yesterday about this time, but I missed it.
I'm look, I'm new to talk back and sometimes miss
stuff or we don't quite have the words yet to
respond in the moment. So I should have pushed back
on on a claim a caller made, and look, I
don't want to make a big deal about it. But
the claim the caller made this time yesaday was that

(09:55):
big oil in America is run by Jews, and this
is this is the sole basis of the problems in
the Middle East, and this attack on Iran is Look,
I believe this is this is a baseless stereotype, and
it's likely rooted in anti Semitic tropes, so it's not
supported by evidence. If you want to find out who
runs big oil, that is up to you. But it

(10:15):
isn't Jewish people any more than it is anyone else.
And even if it was, that wouldn't be proof of
the kind of conspiracy and a conspiracy to use violence
to further whatever goals group has. So sorry I missed that,
and I hope that clears things up for people that
heard that yesterday and thought I was somehow by being
silent agreeing with the caller.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
All right, nicely said news talk Zebby all right, we
aren't talking about landlords versus tenants? Does the balance feel
right with the current healthy home standards that comes into
effect on July one? That is the deadline. All rental
properties need to comply with those standards by that timeline.
But how do you feel as a lenant? As a tenants?

(10:58):
How do you feel as a landlord?

Speaker 7 (11:00):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Plenty of text coming through, guys, make I mean rental
homes for government only. Investors should invest into businesses to
help the economy and proctivity. Rental empires make housing too
unaffordable for average kiwis Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
I think that is I'd push back on that because
you know, there's a point time in your life when
you can't afford to live in a house, right Yeah,
and landlords will provide that opportunity for you whilst you know,
securing their future, and then a market rate is found.

(11:40):
So I think that is to say that rental houses
should be government only. I mean, I can see some terrible,
terrible situations.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, so straight off the bats, that feels like an
idea that will go sideways very quickly.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
So basically, in this you can own a house, you
have to live in a state house. That doesn't seem
like a great a great system to me.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Does that mean everything subsidized, because as it stands right now,
government rental housing is subsidized, council social housing is subsidized.
That doesn't feel like a system that can stand up
for that long.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, and property developers sometimes get a bad name, but
sometimes they create incredible things in our community that that
make the world a better place. Areas get developed and
communities are started by people investing in a way that
governments would never be able to pull off. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yeah, but thank you for your text. Jeff, what's your
view on on the situation Are you a landlord or
a tenant.

Speaker 8 (12:37):
I'm a tenant and my landlord is fantastic, gives me
everything I need, gets repairs done where we've got insulation
and got a heat pumped. That plastic on the dirt
thing a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
What's that? What's that, Jeff? What's the plastic on the
dirt thing?

Speaker 8 (12:54):
I don't know. There was something about moisturizing about of
the dirt under your house. Oh yeah, there was some
sort of mand that you got to put plastic on
the dirt.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
That was the moisture barrier.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I think is enclosed subflous requiring a ground moisture.

Speaker 8 (13:08):
Yep, that was yeah, yeah, yeah, everything's perfected. And I
had a five meters yard at the time. Last year
he extended it to seven point three. Right, I've got
a dog and so he's made extra space as a
dog and run around in that.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Fun And that was a relationship from the get go, Jeef.
It sounds like you're a very good tenant as well.
It goes both ways, right that you look after his
property and make sure you're doing what needs to be done,
and then he is a landlord looks after you.

Speaker 8 (13:39):
Oh yeah, totally. We've been here since twenty eighteen, and
he helped us out over COVID and Swirl made sure
we had food and supplies and everything.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (13:48):
See, even like me and my wife both lost their
jobs over COVID, I just don't worry about the rent.
That's cool.

Speaker 9 (13:56):
See.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
I think the majority of landlords are good, good people
like that. And this, this sort of characterization of this
evil money grabbing person that doesn't care about the people
in the house, is that as the as the outlier
rather than than the norm. So so you have do
you have a personal relationship with the landlord, so you

(14:17):
know you.

Speaker 8 (14:19):
Know, well, he lives right next to us. Okay, we
can hang out and I help him with the yard.
I help him get help them give it to trees
and some rubbish recently.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah, I don't want this to sound and sensitive, Chief,
so hopefully you don't take it as this. But and
you mentioned you both lost your jobs, and I'm really sorry.

Speaker 10 (14:38):
To hear that.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
But do you enjoy renting or as part of the plan,
hopefully that you'd get into your own home at some stage.

Speaker 8 (14:46):
Well, we own property in the Philippines. My wife's from there, right,
so I don't intend to stand this country for much
longer anyway, So renting is this ideal for me?

Speaker 10 (14:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:57):
And why don't you want to stay in New Zealand?

Speaker 8 (15:00):
I just find the Philippines is a much safer country,
right okay? Yeah, crime wise, community, it's just better.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Jeff. Fascinating to chat with you, but awesome to hear
that so far. Your relationship with your landlord is top notch,
and it sounds like you're in a great, great situation.
What kind of dog have you got, by the.

Speaker 8 (15:20):
Way, he's French bulldog?

Speaker 7 (15:23):
Oh? Nice?

Speaker 3 (15:24):
What's its name?

Speaker 8 (15:25):
It's likely with then those points for han't been French?

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Exactly, mate, exactly. Jeff, you're a good man. Thanks very
much for giving us a buzz. We'll let you get
on with your work day. It sounds like you're in
a digger or something.

Speaker 8 (15:37):
I got reversing the car.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Ah nice, love it, Jeff, Thank you, Thank you very much. Mate. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call,
keen to hear from you. If you're a landlord, do
you still feel like there's that mentality out there that
you're just a big pit of money and tenants will
make massive demands and think that you're some sort of
wealthy individual, some wealthy slum landlord person that can front

(16:01):
up this cash for things that aren't really needed. Well, yeah,
as you say in your personal situation, you know, you're
you're you've you're renting this place out, but you're putting extra.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Money into it.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
We having a top up.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, and then you've got a tenant who is asking
for it to be better than it was when you
were living in this pretty much when was your house.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Built two thousand and sixteen.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
So twoenty and sixteen. They're asking to live better than
anyone in the history of humanity has he ever lived
whilst you're topping up them living in that house. So
so many people that are landlords are in your position you're.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
In and that's the galling thing that you know, And
I don't want to go too far into it, but
we offered, you know, financial assistance for various things. We
were potentially looking at dropping the rent all these other elements,
and still that wasn't enough. And I look at, you know,
some of those gestures that we may and think, why
why do we do that? And I'm going to keep

(16:57):
doing that because I want to be a good landlord.
But I get why it's very hard for a lot
of people out there who are Mum and dan landlords.
They might just have the one house, the one asset,
and you try and be a good land lord and
sometimes it's very difficult. But can you get your stories? Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call back in the mow. It's twenty four past one.

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Speaker 2 (17:59):
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Speaker 3 (18:03):
Good afternoon, it's twenty seven past one and we're talking
about landlords and tenants on the back of an interview
on Herald Now with Ryan Bridge. You spoke to both
the Property Federation he had Matt Bull and Renters United
and the difference of opinion on where the balance of
power lie was pretty evident. Matt Bull said that most
landlords eighty five percent, and they've done research into this,

(18:25):
we're pretty happy with how their healthy home standards has
been implemented and had good relationships with their tenants. But
on the other side of the coin, Renters United said
that the landlords still have a massive power imbalance there
that tenants are at the whim of whatever they decide.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
But that could be selection bias, right. So you know
the famous study where they were studying where bombers were
shot to decide where they put armor on the planes. Yeah,
and actually where to put armor on the planes. That
information while all the planes that were shot in the
bits that make the planes explode didn't come back, right. Yeah,
So if you say eighty five percent of landlords are happy.

(19:04):
Maybe that's because all the ones that couldn't manage it
and happy and it was too much for them are
out of the market. Now.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, it's a very good point problem with surveys. Clint,
you're a landlord.

Speaker 11 (19:16):
Yeah, hi guys, all right for the sound there, good quality.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
You sound bloody great, Clint, fantastic.

Speaker 11 (19:23):
Hey, just wanted to congratulate, congratulate you guys on an
awesome job you've been doing recently. Thank you and particularly
how I'm not sure which one of you, but yourself corrected,
you know when you realize, you know, creating a distinction
around the vomit. And I suppose it's very difficult in
your position to keep things balanced and stair and open.

(19:47):
But did a great job of catching yourself and putting
it right.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
There was Matt who did that and yeah, no, thank
you mate.

Speaker 11 (19:56):
It's entiler right, Yeah, yeah, great job. Lovely day here.
I just wanted to say, like, just real quote, what
a great country we live in or great people we
have here, and yeah, I'd love to see the landlord
tenant relationship be far more happy and mutually beneficial than

(20:20):
it is currently. It's been a real rough ride for
I think probably both sides of that in recent years
and for a long time really. I probably started renting
properties about thirty five years ago. I was only about
twenty years old, and it was pretty easy back then.
There weren't many clauses, regulations, fines, penalties. I think things

(20:45):
are going pretty well apart from there. I'm sure was
some cheeky landlords around providing anadequate accommodation, and no doubt
there's always going to be a few cheeky tenants which
are struggling and able to kind of you do everything
the landlord would like to just look after the rest.

Speaker 12 (21:03):
Yet.

Speaker 11 (21:04):
But I think, you know, I already trust in people's
innate nature, humanity in our core. I think by our
very existence and survival this far, we must be a
bunch of good thoughts to have actually not all destroyed
ourselves by now. And I'd love to see you know,
for me, the cause of the matter is just poorly
written regulations. It really shouldn't be a political football. It

(21:28):
should be based on the kind of basic values of humanity,
you know, like trust, fear, and we've all got to
contribute to a happy outcome. It just can't be one sided.
It needs to be balanced, and the responsibility of that
sits squarely on the Bee hype. I feel I'm not
sure who writes the laws, but whoever did well, I

(21:52):
think they need to rewrite them or get someone else
to do it, because, honestly, I think this is possibly
secondary school level logic, you know, it's really not rocket science.
And the mess that they've made, well, looking at the
current REGs the way, it's never been more punitive and

(22:14):
more complicated and more inefficient, and I fear that we're
going to end up with a lot of homeless people
as a torect result of regulations that were probably written
in good with good intentions, but they didn't think through
or worked through a real world scenarios of how they're
going to affect the markets that market. So you know,

(22:37):
at the moment, you can have someone living in your
house as an investment property, owing you thousands, tens of
thousands of dollars and have no right to remove them,
and well, sure there's a bunch of hoops you have
to jump through, but by the time you jump through
those hoops, it's gone from ten grand to twenty grand.
And that's not okay, and nor is it okay to

(23:00):
provide accommodation we can't breathe that is not safe or sanitary,
structurally sound, affecting, you know, tenants badly. And I don't
think there's many landlords. I can't imagine there being many
at all, like a tiny sliver that are out there going,
I'm going to chat huge rents for absolute shit house'sable language.

(23:24):
I don't think there's a lot of tenants out there
that really expect to live in a great place and
destroyer and think that that's going to work for long either.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Thank you so much for your call, Clint. You seem
like a very balanced and fear human being.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Absolutely, and that's you know, that's what it comes down to,
right As Clint said, if you're a landlord, you make
sure you don't don't provide. In his words, and I'm
saying it again, forgive my language a shit ole, make
sure it's up to scratch, and as a tenant, you
look after the property of your landlord because that quite
often is their biggest asset.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, but I would say it seems to me anyway
that landlords have been portrayed pretty negatively in recent times
in this country. And I just don't think as Clint
says that that is that is necessarily the case.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call love to get your thought on that. Headlines
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Speaker 3 (25:23):
Thank you very much, Wendy. So we're discussing the balance
of power between landlords and tenants. Where does that lie
for you, whether you're a landlord or tenant. On July
the first, that's a week from today, the deadline for
Healthy Homes compliance comes into effect. So we're really keen
to hear from you about how you feel as a landlord.
Do you think the balance is about right? Have you've

(25:44):
got a good relationship with your tenants? And how did
it go trying to get your property up to scratch
with the healthy home standards?

Speaker 2 (25:49):
And how about my hot take? No one's taken me
up on this one, that maybe it's a tenant's right
to choose to live in an absolute pile of crap
because it's cheap.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, what happened to those days? I mean that was
part of past all right?

Speaker 2 (26:02):
There you have the other as someone's texting and Deneding.
With the student flats, you have the situation for a
number of years where you to live in an absolute
pile of crap and it's not cheap.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah. Yeah, very to the right.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
To have the student flat experience. But yeah, as I say,
when I first moved to Auckland, I couldn't afford to
live anything in anything but an absolute at all. Yeah,
and they were great times. But without that, you know,
the compliance that would have been needed to turn the
places that I lived into in various warehouses and sheds

(26:34):
and stuff. Would I mean, I wouldn't have had any
where to live. Yeah, and I wouldn't be able to
make the stronghold in Auckland that I needed to as
a young lad moving up from Dunedin.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Even if it did cost you. You girlfriend, oh eight ten
eighty is another to cool.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
She was going to leave me anyway.

Speaker 7 (26:48):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Welcome to the show. Jackie You there Jack Jack?

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Oh no, he must have muted us. We'll come back
to Jack.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah you Jack, Jack will sort you out. James, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
A mate, who very good you are you a landlord
yourself or you're a tenant?

Speaker 10 (27:13):
And I've been in the place I'm in there for
nineteen years.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
How far away are you from the phone? Just out
interest age? It seems like.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
You're a good man.

Speaker 10 (27:24):
Sorry, I'm cooking at the moment.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
What are you making? What are you cooking? James? Before
we get into it, so we can paint it painted.

Speaker 10 (27:32):
Cooking a chicken curry?

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Nice, nice.

Speaker 10 (27:39):
Chicken, potatoes, pumpkin and I'll probably throw a ten of
apples in there as well.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Apples controversial, Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 10 (27:49):
Half Indian and half Scottish. So I like my carriage all.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Right, okay, like style. So it sounds like a recipe.
You've invented yourself. You're not running off a book there.

Speaker 10 (28:00):
No, no, no, I cooking all all myself. I'm pretty
much a shift that hasn't done the it hasn't gone
to the college. Yeah, yeah, I've We're in commercial kitchens
and for four different restaurants in the time.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
I trust you. I'll give it a great James, I'm
trusting you.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
We'll move on. We'll move on for your chicken and
apple carry to You've got a landlord that you rate.

Speaker 10 (28:26):
Very very highly. Yes, he's he, I see I say
to him. I hardly see it. I might see it
once every two years, and he goes, well, we like
the way that if there's anything wrong you let us
know immediately so it can be fixed. And he says,
you pay the rent, so we just leave you alone.

(28:47):
He drives by. I thank every now and then, just
to make sure the lawns are that are done. Keep
I keep everything done. I treat this house. It's a
one bedroom on its own section with a garage, and
I'm allowed a dog, and I treat it as my
own house. So he's very happy.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
How long have you been there, James, nineteen years?

Speaker 7 (29:09):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Right, and so did your landlord have to make changes
for the healthy home standards before this camp came in.

Speaker 10 (29:15):
Here he's actually putting a fan and he's not here
at the moment, but he's putting a fan in the
bathroom as we speak. And he's done the ground what
do you call it, the ground barrier?

Speaker 11 (29:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, what's that?

Speaker 10 (29:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (29:30):
And he's.

Speaker 10 (29:32):
Underneath the house as well.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
And closed sub floors and ground moisture barrier, all that
kind of stuff.

Speaker 10 (29:38):
Yeah, he's done it all is. It takes him a
while to get there, but I mean he's not made
of money.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you sound like a perfect tenant, James,
really that you're looking after the place. He sorts it
out when he needs to sort out, and then you
don't need to bother each other.

Speaker 11 (29:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (29:54):
Apparently the best tenants are single males forty five over all.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Right, I don't know that figure. Why is that? Just
because I read.

Speaker 10 (30:02):
It somewhere and a few other people have mentioned it
as well. His sister was a property manager and she
mentioned it. She said, you're a great tenant. You're one
of the one that in that range. You're because I'm
sixty one in July, but I've been here twenty years.
So yeah, apparently the best tenants are single males forty

(30:26):
five years and older.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, and some of the best cocks as well, by
the sound of things.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, apple and chicken curry. I'm going to give it
a crack. He seemed like he knew what he was doing.
He was confident.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Just crack a can of apples in.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
There, yeah, JZ grills. Thank you very much, mate. It
is seventeen to two.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Back very shortly, have a chat with.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
The lads on eighty Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons
News talksb news Talks.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
There be it is a quarter to two.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Now, I've brought this up on the show before, and
I always forget the name of it. But you were
saying the step before that eighty five percent of landlords
are happy yes their tenants right now and vice versa.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
According to the Property Federation.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
As we as we the July one final deadline on
the healthy home standards, and I was saying that it's
probably I forgot the statistical bias. I meant survivorship bias.
And so survivorship bias or is the logical eerraror of
concentrating on entities that passed a selection process while overlooking
those that did not. This can lead to incorrect conclusions

(31:28):
because of the incomplete data, right, So survivorship bias has
formed on sampling basis. So the example is if you
have a bomber and you're deciding where you're going to
put the armor, and the only thing that you're using
to decide where to put the armor is the planes
that arrive back at the base, right, That's that's that's
survivorship bias, because where you need to put the armor

(31:51):
is on the engines and the work where they got hit.
They didn't come back to base they So what I'm
saying there is when you say eighty five percent, it's
survivorship bias. A lot of landlords have left the market
because of the healthy home standards. So if you survey now,
you've lost the ones that were incredibly unhappy. Yeah, very

(32:12):
good point. Therefore, survivorship bias. Yes, I hope I've explained that.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, No, nailed that. So that eighty five percent we're
going to take with a big grain of salt because
a lot of those landlords who had enough and were
pissed off with their tennants long gone, sold up and
got out of the market.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Now, Greg, sorry about that detourling and you're waiting there,
But Greg, you don't really agree with their healthy homes regulations.

Speaker 14 (32:32):
Well, it's just most of the regulations. There's far too
much bureaucracy as it is before they started adding all
this stuff. I remember, like twenty years ago, you could
find cheap places. It didn't matter about like whether they
have a heat pump and all this, because if you
didn't like it, you didn't rent it. You know, it's
meant to be a bias market. But by the way

(32:55):
things are looking with all this regulation and stuff, they're
trying to take the power out of the landlord's teams,
and through doing that a lot of landlords are just leaving,
which then it's going to become everything's going to be
you know, and the government teams like they want, you know,
in every renter to be under them or something like that.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yeah, I'm torn on the regulations, Grig that I do
think to get to a minimum standard.

Speaker 14 (33:20):
Enough the people can say no, but you know who
is who is government and all these regulators to say
this is how it has to be. Like when I
was a teenager, I used to rent garages for like
fifty cents dollars a.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Week, you know, and I didn't hold and stuff.

Speaker 14 (33:36):
I just put a booty blanket on.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, and you know what I mean, and try to
do that. As as I say before, Greg, when you're
trying to make your way in the world, you.

Speaker 14 (33:46):
Well, especially if you're trying to save to get hire.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Exactly, you don't want to.

Speaker 14 (33:50):
Waste money on some expensive bloody things like this regulation.
Who do they think they are to tell a landlord
what to do with his property and maybe you maybe
they had nobody will rent it.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
And maybe it's a thing Greg, where you go well, look,
this is a healthy home standard house, and it gets
gets brand it as such. But if you want to
live in a house, that.

Speaker 14 (34:10):
Sounds like Marxism to me. But I will label something
a certain way to put you in a different No.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
No, no, no, you're not understanding what I'm saying.

Speaker 11 (34:17):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
What I'm saying is you could have a healthy home
standard as you sometimes get. You know in businesses, you
say like, this is registered, this has approved, and you
can choose to pay more to live in that house.
But if you're like me and you when we were younger, Greg,
we wanted to get ahead and save money and we
didn't really care what we lived in, and so that
is your choice. You go, look, I just want to
live in a garage. That that's fine.

Speaker 14 (34:38):
But then then you find a girl and she's all like, no,
we're not living in squalors and you have to.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Pay top dollar exactly. That's that's the ballace of Greek.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
That's that's a regulation of its own sort.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
You don't have somebody being.

Speaker 14 (34:53):
Able to live live in a place, you know, garage
or whatever, you know, even a shipping container. Just run
a booty power court out to it.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
You'll be all right, Greg, I used to live in
I used to live in a bank vault, in an
old abandoned bank on Vogel Street and duneed and it
was bloody. It costs me so cool. Yeah, it was
very cool.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
It's cool. The lady's got to love that.

Speaker 14 (35:14):
I loved in an old meat work and it was
designed to be freezing.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
So yeah, oh, I hear what you say.

Speaker 10 (35:20):
Greg.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Let the market decide, and if you want to live
in a bank vault.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
There is an end of the market of young men
who don't give a crap. They just want to save
some money, They want to move to the town they
want to be, to be in the business that they
want to be in, and look, eventually when they try
and find a partner, they have to lift their game hundred.
I could not have heard less when I was first flatting,

(35:44):
when I was eighteen, nineteen twenty, all the way to
twenty five about healthy home standards. I wouldn't have given
an absolute crap about it. I just wanted to get
the cheapest possible rent I could.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
But when your girlfriend said, yeah, I can't do this anymore.
There's rats under your bed and this is a shed,
and don't freezing my butt off, and I'm leaving you.
At that point, you say, hang on, what if we
move to a healthy home, stand at home? Will you
stay with me?

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Her main problem was I was living in a shed
and I had this huge old tube twenty eight and
televison to play video games on. So when we slept,
we had to curl up into the fetal position. Yeah. Yeah,
so that was their main thing that left there wasn't
long enough.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
It has not to two.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Mad Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty eight. It's Mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons News
Dogs B.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
News Dogs B six two two jan. Are you are
a tenant yourself?

Speaker 10 (36:35):
Is that right?

Speaker 8 (36:36):
No?

Speaker 3 (36:36):
I'm a landlord landlord personally yes, ye, land lady, Yes.

Speaker 15 (36:41):
I just wanted to tell you a couple of years ago,
I baught a house and I needed to put a
heat company. So I got the specialist and they told
me exactly what I needed to get and where to
put it. So I did that and they installed it
as to the size and requirements that I needed. Now
I find there's been a new you know, they've looked

(37:03):
at it again and they tell me, I need another
four killer WAPs. So there's another three thousand dollars I've
got to put in. I don't even have, oh I
do have a heat pump at time. I've also got
to change the rain hod in this house to be
exhausting outside at home, I don't even have a raine
hord I open a window. And then I have another

(37:23):
property that's just been sold. It's had two heat pumps
in it, one up and one down. And when I
went to do an inspection, the curtains looked stains like
water stains on them. And I said, that looks like moisture.
You use the heat pumps, and the lady said, no,
they cost money.

Speaker 16 (37:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
And the hate that it falls over right, Yeah, that's right,
you can. I mean, the fact that you've got to
get a second heat pump is crazy. And I've gone
through the Healthy Home standard. I know how nonsensical some
of the stuff was.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
And also the idea that a landlord's tenants are living
better than the landlord is an interesting yes.

Speaker 15 (38:04):
And I said to the house they north, it's got
all windows across the front. It's warm and lovely, and
you know they don't take that into account.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 15 (38:19):
Anyway, that's all I range to say.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Well, thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Jan.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yeah, and Jan's quite right. I mean going through the
healthy home standard is and as I said, it's a
feeling new home. It's double glazed and all the rest
of it. But it is such a massive document and
it's punishing having to I try to do it myself.
You can do it yourself, but all the calculations you've
got to make, and you've got to figure out how
much keller wat's come out of your palette fire and
the heating and the lounge.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Oh, it's just and then Tyler, you did it all.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah, and then your.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Tenants are still angry at you. They want more.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
I paid, I paid a fellow to come around. He
had to dig a hole in the floor to cheek
under the under the house.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
And they want to live like the bloody Sultan of Brunei.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
They certainly do. They.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
We've got so many calls coming through on this and text.
We're going to keep this going for a little bit
after the news.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Yep, keen to hear your stories. If you're a landlord
or tenant, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, where
does the balance of power lie landlords is there's still
a bit of landlord bashing out there and tenants. Have
you got a good relationship with your landlord? It is
three minutes to do newsport and weather on it's way.
You're listening to Matton Tyler. Very good afternoon to you,
aren't you?

Speaker 2 (39:21):
I need you old go a.

Speaker 17 (39:25):
Need.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
It is beautiful days it talking with you all afternoon.
It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons news Dogs.

Speaker 7 (39:36):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Good afternoon, cheer, welcome back into the show. It is
seven past two and having a great discussion about landlords
and tenants. This is on the back of the deadline
for the Healthy Homes compliance that comes into effect on
the first of July, that is exactly a week from today.
And there was a great interview or a panel on
with what Ryan Bridge this morning on Herald Now where

(39:58):
he spoke to both sides of this argument. So here's
a little bit of what the Property Federation said.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
I would say, And they're actually numbers to back this
up that five percent of landlords and tenants.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Are happy with each other.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
It's a pretty good number.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
That's from an NB survey of landlords and of renters.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
So that's a great basis to build on.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
There's a small number where yeah, there's a bit of
disagreement where things don't quite go so well.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
And you know, by the same token, you see.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Stories about bad tenants and bad landlords. It's great media
to be honest story like that.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
And here is what Renters United Zach Thomas said.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
When a tenant gets kicks out, they don't have a
roof over their head. If a landlord gets mucked over
by a bad tenant, they still have a roof over
their head. So there's a massive power and balance there,
especially now we've got no cause of dictions that it's
so important to get written communication. So many tenants live
in fair that they'll be kicked out just for standing
up for their rights at the moment, And if they
have a quick call with the landlord and they don't

(40:57):
have it in written communication, they are at risk of
being kicked out for standing up for their rights. That
is not equal, That is not fair.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
So there you go. Where do you think the balance
sits at the moment with these healthy homes coming online
the compliance deadline first of July? Do you think it's
sitting too far? With the landlords or too far with
the tenants. And as I said before, I pushed back
a little bit on that that the landlord always has
a roof over their head. Sometimes the landlords are risking
everything to try and build a bigger future for themselves,

(41:25):
renting out a house while paying on top of that
for the rent. And then you get texts like this
here had a new home to rent and had to
evict the solo mum with two kids as it took
twenty thousand to repair and replace carpets in kitchen. Never again,
it was costing us more we couldn't afford it than
to the rent received.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Exactly. There's a lot of people down for seen circumstance,
isn't it one hundred percent? And I mentioned last hour
that I am a new landlord, been a landlord for
seven months. But that is not a good financial decision
that has done out of necessity because I've got to
come up here and work with you up here in
Auckland and love it up here. But if I'm being honest,
that is you know we're not making money out of
that rental.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Well, Tyler, you know I've only known you for it
for a year, but you work very, very hard, and
some of the work that you are doing is to
cover the disparity between the rent in the house what
you can charge and how much it costs to run
that house, you know, and then you throw on the
healthy home standards on top of that. So a certain
amount of time you spend working with me is to

(42:24):
arguably pay the rent for the people living in your
house exactly, And so you don't really hear that side
of it. Yeah, all you're hearing is that landlords are
wealthy people twiddling their mustaches and shining their monocles as
they drive past and their rolls Royce Monopoly style and
laugh at the poor people in their houses. Nicely said,
I think the balance is probably somewhere in the more

(42:45):
in the middle than that.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, so we're keen to hear from you on this.
I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you're a
landlord or tenant, where does the balance of power line?

Speaker 2 (42:53):
And also the other other angle that I'd like to
hear people's thoughts on, what about the rights of scummy
nineteen and twenty year old boys like me when I
first moved to Auckland that want to pay nothing for
their rent? They want to live in a dive in
the cheapest place they can get, so can spend the
money they have, the little money they earn on booze
and their dreams yep, on drinking in the weekend and

(43:17):
following their dreams in the week And they don't want
to spend money covering a bloody heat pump who could
care less? Or or a bloody what is that a
under floor congestion sub floor ground moisturizer barrier. We'll sleep
on We'll sleep on dirt under a roof if it
means that we can have more beers on the weekend.

(43:38):
And if you were like me, I had this dream
of getting a stunt TV show on TV and Z
see every single cent I had. I wanted to spend
on buying costumes and cameras to make that happen.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
And I did you did? You made that dream come true?

Speaker 2 (43:52):
But I was living in a shed, yeah, or in
the corner of a warehouse tay five dollars a week, Yeah, matts,
You are a landlord?

Speaker 7 (43:59):
Is that right? O?

Speaker 16 (44:01):
Good? Yeah? How are you doing that?

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Very goods? And what you're feeling about the landlord bashing?
Does it still exist out there?

Speaker 10 (44:08):
Sure?

Speaker 16 (44:09):
Look, I'm in a bit of a unique position. They've
recently just moved my house from long term rental to
a short term rental management company, which which I actually
managed myself. And there's a couple of reasons for that.
My investment property was actually getting a little bit hammered
when it came to what the tenants would be headening
enough to in there. So I found that this tenant

(44:31):
wasn't so bad, but the previous one when they left,
I had a bill for about ten fifteen thousand dollars
of what, you know, a tribunal would kind of attribute
to a crude damage of people living a normal lifestyle.
But I certainly don't, you know, accrue that sort of
damage is my own personal home. But you know, as
a landlord, was just left to fit the bill when

(44:52):
that sort of thing comes along. And this is just
a brand new townhouse. It's you know, got two heat
pump senates, it's only ninety square meters, tight as a drum,
you know. But you just find that tenants don't don't
treat them sometimes with respective properly deserves.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Do you think that's a basic pressure that's always going
to be because in your eyes, that is always going
to be your house, and then they move in and
because they're paying rent, they think, well, this is my
house right now. So yeah, so there's just a different
perspective of looking at that because yeah, I mean, it

(45:28):
is always the house that you've spent good money on
and you've set up what you think is nicely we say,
two heat pumps, and so you feel almost personally set
upon when they don't treat this place that is yours
with respect.

Speaker 16 (45:41):
Well, the thing is, it's a brand new investment property,
right it was bought for the premise of, you know,
building a future actually for my father in law who
had a very messy breakup, which basically meant that an
Auckland's market, he's now unable to buy or borrow due
to his age. So my wife and I helped him
buy this property. So it's a brand new townhouse with

(46:01):
the idea that we're going to rent it out to
it could pay itself or pay the mortgage down until
he was prepared to move into it. So we were
very prepared for tennants to come in and use it
as their own. But you know, there's a I think
there's a little bit of apathy when it comes to
how tennants treat a property because you say that you
know they want to treat it like their own house.
But you know, and I know that from my experience

(46:23):
in my own house, I don't think my toddler's right
on the walls, or I don't let baby food fester
in the carpet for months so that the carpet literally
starts deteriorating and going Maldy.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Yeah, and I'd hope, Matt, clearly that wasn't the case
with some of your tenants, but I'd hope the vast
majority of tenants feel that way, that they understand that
their landlord, no matter their financial position, that is a
big asset for them and they'd look after that to
the best of their ability. But you're right, it's the
whatever it is fifteen percent, twenty percent that appears to

(46:55):
be letting the team down in terms of tenants. In
this cry about the balance of power being out of
whack by by Rents United. I think that is that
is a little bit extreme. And you know, look, they
do they do a fair job promoting tenants rights and responsibilities,
but I think they take the side of the extreme
tenants too often.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, well, Tyler are you just smarting right now because
you've got a tenant in your house, then you've you've
kept it to healthy home standards, you've spent a lot
of money, you're subsidizing the mortgage, and they're complaining about
the house. Yeah, so you're just smarting now.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
I'm incredibly biased, incredibly biased, but Matt, just on the
short term rental, are you finding that with the short
term rental the tenants are a lot more respectful one
hundred percent.

Speaker 16 (47:40):
Look, we run a short term management company, so we're
managing fifty odd properties in Auckland and they're anything from
three and a half million dollars down to one bedroom apartments.
And what we've found is a lot of landlords preparing
to go to this because there's a lot more damage
protection in place. So if you book a short term
mental with us, you're putting down a damage deposit or
you were protected through various different insurance agents and when

(48:04):
you do depart the property, we do a full inspection
and if there's damage, we prepare it for the next guest.
You know, some of these properties are ranging for over
one thousand dollars a night, so when somebody's coming in
paying seven thousand dollars for a week. They expect a
certain level. So it means that the property is kept
to an incredible standard. So when the landloud eventually turns
up and wants they use the property themselves or move
back in, they're moving back into what's essentially a property

(48:25):
that they left in that condition.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
So you're when you say long term versus short term,
you're talking very short term like earbnb type short term
exactly right.

Speaker 16 (48:33):
Yeah, So anything from you know, two nights through the
ninety days.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
And is that is that covered off? Because of course
there's going to be you know, peak times and downtimes
as opposed to having someone locked down in a Tennessee agreement.
You know that whatever money is going to be consistently
coming in and you can sort of budget around that.

Speaker 16 (48:50):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Look, we give all of our
owners appraisal based on a year. It's only real way
to look at it. Yeah, because we get very special events.
I mean last year for cold plays, some of our
properties were selling you know, we had it on a
four night minimum, and some of our properties were clearing
ten or twelve thousand dollars for four nights.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
That is a lot of money Jesus, I love right,
So ed Park, I should have got the hell out
of my house.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
You go back into a SPoD and go back into
one of your garage.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
See that's what about those poor people that live near
Eden Park and want to live in a shed for
a couple of days so they can make some money
off goldplay fans.

Speaker 16 (49:25):
I think the other thing with a healthy homes too, lads,
is you know, unfortunately in society we have to cater
to the lowest denominator. So we've got slung landlords out
there who are trying to stick families with young children,
no doubt, the environments that they're not suited to be in,
and a lot of those families don't have a choice.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 16 (49:45):
Unfortunately we've got to make it difficult for the rest
of us who aren't complete jokers. Yeah, because there are
some people who take take the make Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah, well, I mean that's the problem across of all
of society, isn't it. Yeah that you know, and when
we think of ourselves we think we would never do that,
so we can't really imagine other people doing it. But
there's no doubt, as you say, man, there are there
are slum lords. But the problem is, I guess what
we're bringing up is that certain people like this young
gentleman on a herald now this morning, as kind of

(50:15):
portraying all landlords as being those slum lords, when that's
just not the case. They definitely exist, but I think
that most landlords are actually caring people that are and
they're not necessarily just totally and utterly cashed up, but
they might be trying to, you know, trying to forge
a future for themselves and potentially losing money while they're

(50:36):
doing it. Thank you so much for you call, Matt.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Appreciate that nicely said, and I hope that narrative is
changing because these you say, the renters United guy, it's
very easy to paint landlords as the villains and renters
as the victims, and it's very black and white. But
as you say, it is not like that. There's a
heck of a lot of gray, and there are most landlords,
and for granted, a lot of tenants are very very good.
But that narrative that's been played for the last couple
of years that somehow the landlords are the bad guys

(51:00):
and the tenants of the good guys is just not true.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
The rents United guy has the attitude that landlords are
all cashed up monopoly guys who can just dip into
some magical cash reserve, they end up with a bad tenant.
In reality, a bad tenant can cause the land or
to lose the roof over the heads. Yeah, Dan, you've
said it better than iine. Oh talk me about now
to try and say that that he just said.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Thank you very much, Dan, you're saving us. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It's
eighteen past two.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Wow your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talk.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Zaid be it's twenty one past two.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
The sextas is just taking offense about the text you
read out about the solo mum. That family did twenty
thousand dollars worth of damage which had nothing to do
with her being a solo mum. That is a very
judgmental way to put down in degrade single parents who
find it extremely difficult to be rented a property. Nine
percent of single parent families are working their guts out
to pay rent and bring up their children just the
same as everyone else. Yeah, I think text look would

(51:58):
all agree with solo mums doing it doing it hard,
But I think you've misunderstood what the person was saying.
What they were saying. The text said that he was
gutted that he had to kick out that the solo
mum and until two children sell up because he couldn't
afford the healthy homes changes that needed to be made.
The solo mum did no damage to the home. That
was the point of the text that came in. So

(52:20):
he certainly wasn't degrading the single parents at all. Quite
the opposite. He No, he felt personally very upset that
he had to move them on.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
And I'm sad to hear. I don't know if that's
the case, but single parents finding it harder to get
rentals if you are a single parent, is that true?
And I don't understand why a landlord would look down
upon a single parent.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, I mean is that still going on? Hope if
they can pay the rent, then I don't. I can't
imagine the being a problem with the single parent not
getting a house.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
No, oh, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty if
you are a single parent, is that true? Quick text
here good afternoon, gents. We own a couple of rental
properties and we top the mortgages up each week. We're
lucky enough to have good tenants, but by no means
we are rich. This is our retirement fund. The Labor
government also portrayed landlord as all rich cats. This is

(53:11):
not the case for most property owners in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
The six guys. He just said that the house he
took off the long term rental market cleared twelve k
o afore nights. That is one hundred percent a prime
example of long term tenants being victims of greed. That's
from Greg.

Speaker 11 (53:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
But if you own the house, you can make the
money the best money you want with it. You're not
owed to keep it on any particular market. No, So
I mean what kind of person say, you know, it's
not a charity being a landlord. I mean in your
case it is.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Yeah, it feels like it.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
But you know, if you've bought a property and you
can make more money and short term rental on it, yeah,
then why should you you know?

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Yeah exactly, that's market forces, right, And you asked the question,
how was he clearing and not everybody who goes to
short term accommodation would be clear and the same that
if they had the stability of a long term tenant.
But thankfully in Matt's case, he is, but for a
lot of other people that go that way, it doesn't
quite turn out that they do have a lot of
nights that they don't have people occupied in those those properties. Right,

(54:09):
We've got to pick up some of your calls very shortly.
But if you want to get in on this eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty four lines, but keep trying
if you can't get through. It's twenty four past two.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB twenty six past two,
Get a jack, hi fello.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
It's definitely a big topic in it. I mean, everyone's
got to live.

Speaker 18 (54:37):
In a house, and honestly, the healthy home standard has
made it very very difficult for people to invest in property,
especially older houses, and make some kind of capital gain
at it when you've got to contemplate in.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
Doing all these extra stuff, and a lot of the
times you can't. You can't comply with an old house
because you can't shield the windows good enough, you know,
and everyone talks about, you know, you've got to have
heat pump. Well, I recognate excent of people pumps that
are put in there not even used because it costs
so much much money to run those air conditions that

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you're going to round them.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Is there any Jack, Is there any parts of the
healthy home standards that you agree with?

Speaker 4 (55:25):
A look, I think I think there are some really
bad landlords out there, ye five percent, the really bad
landlords that have had houses that have never done any
for those houses, never done any but miltone, you know.
And really the honest try is is that I think
the healthy home standing is getting beyond the point where

(55:47):
you've got to have a new home to actually rent
a house just about because it's it's got the stage
where you know you have a new home. No wants
to rent new homes either, ycause they you know, you
never have a new you have a new home you
rented out. It's you know, never the same many again
after five years unless you get the real pretendant who
really loves a house. I myself, if I've been in

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the regial industry for years, an investment market and it's
got to the point where it's not worth it That's
why it's so not worth it having rentals above forty
percent of borrowing money. It's just not worth it. With
the rates in mid seventy, healthy home hare standards made
it very, very difficult to make any kind of money
except capitalization.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
What about this? Text to Jack says, oh my god.
The Healthy home regulation stemmed from the coroner's request to
greatly improve rental standards because there were way too many
children getting sick and even dying due to cold, damp,
and moldi living conditions. Some families are sometimes forced to
live an inadequate family. I feel like you guys are
being dense deliberately as usual. No, no, we're not being

(56:53):
deliberately dense. If we are near, if we're deliberately. If
we're being dense, then that's by accident. Text, But what
do you say to that, Jack?

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Well, look what I say is, yes, there are a
lot there are homes out there that don't need to
stand it. But eighty percent, I'm going to be honest
with you, seventy percent of war homes that are owned
to occupy you.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Just lost you, Jack, Sorry, sorry, just pack up, sorry mate,
you we lost you there. So eighty percent that our
owner occupied pack.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
That I reckon, I reckon seventy five to eighty eighty
percent of war homes out there, seventy five percent of
all owner occupied hopes. I'm not up to standard to
liven either.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, Well that's exactly the case with you, Tyler,
wasn't it. So when you wanted to move out of
your house and rent to it, you had to make
it significantly better than it had been when you were
living in it happily. And your house was built in
twenty sixteen. Yeah, so it was pretty, you know, a
fairly fairly new house. But we had to go through
this god awful process. So I had all the plans there,
So I actually had the plans that I could show

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the guy that was coming in for the health the
owned standards.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
He said, Nah, that doesn't matter. I'm going to need
to cut a hole in the floor to double check.
Thinking this is crazy.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
So this text that's that's called us dense rightly or wrongly, Well,
you're kind of missing the point of our argument. We're saying,
whereas the balance thing too far? Because I don't think
there's anyone that is arguing that you should be able
to rent out a house that is making kids sick
and is cold and damp and moldy. No one's saying that,
they're just asking whether. We're asking two questions. One, whether

(58:23):
the healthy homestanders are moved too far. In your case,
you're happy to live in that home was the best
house you'd ever lived in, and you had to spend
thousands and thousands of dollars to make it better for
a client. It was a long way from cold, damp,
moldy people kids dying exactly a situation. So and also
we're asking the other question is you know how you're

(58:44):
feeling as a landlord. Are you still feeling like you're
being portrayed as the monopoly bored, monocle wearing mustache twirling
evil slum lord or do you think that there's that
most people see that most landlords are trying to make
an effort.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number
to call. And also the follow up question from Matt.
We've had a few bites, but we want to hear
from more people. Should there be a second tear rental
situation where if you're a young fella like Matt was,
and he wanted to put some money away for his
dreams of a better future and buy some booze that
you can rent out a tinny little shack. You got

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rats under the bed for thirty five bucks a week.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
What's the problem the healthy young man that cannot be
cannot be damaged? Who just clause New homeston't always meet
the HR standard. It's ridiculous that I can buy and
live in a new home and yet my tenants are
required to live in a higher standard of home than me.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Yeah, that's it. It is twenty eight to three headlines
with Wendy coming up. Then we'll take more of your
phone calls on our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Now back to Masson Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we are talking about
landlords and tenants. On the first of July, that is
a week from today, the deadline for the Healthy Homes
compliance comes into effect. But we are talking about the
balance of power. Where does it lie? Does it ligne
with the landlords, does it lie with the tenants. According
to a panel discussion on the Herald, now, the property
federations say most landlords are pretty happy, but Rents United

(01:01:32):
says that there's a massive power imbalance towards the landlord.
What do you say?

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
The sixth says, to be fair, if you own a
rental house, say in Auckland, and it has a value
of between eight hundred and one point two million, then
have to spend about ten to fifteen k on heat
pump sinsulation, mechanical ventilation. Seems like a small amount to pay.
Kind regards. Boomer mc boomer pemps.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Okay, thanks, yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
What a load of crap boys. These people with mold
and such need to get a mop and a bucket,
a cloth and do some cleaning. Open a window, be
thankful for a roof. Cheers angry Now there was one
that you want to answer to, Tyler?

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Oh yes, where did that go?

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
A go at me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
I really can't understand the pushback from any decent landlord
regarding the healthy Homes compliance. The homes we currently used
as rentals are older homes nineteen sixties to ninety seventies,
to make them more compliant. With Compliant was very easy
process with little cost needed heat pump, insulation upgraded. We
needed extractor fans, sell up a couple of drafts, easy
as what are you winging about, Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Well, deah text, So let me just go through how
much we spent. So bearing in mind, this was a
house that was built in twenty sixteen and double glazed everywhere,
and we thought was efficient with the heating. So it
had a palette fire in the lounge and another heat
pump in the back of the room. So we had
to get another heat pump. This is only for a
house that's one hundred and ten square meters, so not
a huge property. Had to get another heat pump. So

(01:02:57):
we already had a heat pump and a palate fire.
Then we had to spend three hundred bucks to get
a technician. And I had all the documents there on
the when they built the house, what the insulation levels were,
All of that documentation was there, and he said, doesn't matter.
I'm going to have to go through it bit by
bit and charge you three hundred bucks to make sure
you meet all these healthy home standards. Then he couldn't
get under the floor and I said, surely you can

(01:03:18):
just look at this plan. It does have insulation under
the floor and that moisture level as well. He said, no,
I'm going to have to cut a hole in your floor.
So you cut the hole in the floor. That was
another three hundred bucks. We had to replace the shower
and get a new extractor fan because the extractor fan
we had in there didn't meet wasn't up to the
new Healthy home standards, so we had to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Just to reiterate, this is a house built in twenty
sixteen and a nice place that we.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Had lived in for four years and we were very
happy with the place. Had to get their greenhouse removed
in the back because the new tenants had children. It
was a glass greenhouse, so with the health and safety situation,
we had to completely remove all that and make sure
there was no glass in there. And fair enough, we
did all these things, but my point is it cost
us thousands and thousands of bucks to get that up
to scratch. When we were living in this property that

(01:04:03):
was almost brand new for four years with no problems.
We're very happy, best time with it lived in. That
is my point.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
And now after making it better than it ever was
when you were living in it, and you and your
lovely partner were very happy in there. Tyler, your tenants
if you don't mind me sharing, I mean you've shared
it so obviously you don't mind, and now complaining and
wanting further changes.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
They're still niggles.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
So they're trying to live in a house that's better
than anyone in the history of humanity has ever lived
in and claiming massive victimhood because this twenty sixteen built
house that you've taken completely up to healthy home standards,
beyond what anyone could ever accuse of being an unhealthy home.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Yeah, and I think you know, they look at us like,
as you say, the monopoly man with a little monocle
and the mustage and twisting and we're driving around and
rolls royces. Clearly that's not the case.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
No, you've got a humiliating hybrid, but that's not the point.
And some of the work that you do, and you
work very hard. I'm very impressed with you as a
person in termso your you know how conscientious you are.
Some of the hours that you work, quite a lot
of them are subsidizing the rent on that house.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Yeah, most of them. You know how much I get paid. Yeah,
I mean pretty much my whole day.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
You're so far from the monocle and the mustache and
the monopoly board. Tim your thoughts on this.

Speaker 19 (01:05:28):
Gentlemen, they're given them a thought O reckon? This has
got leaps Well, Matt, why do we not have I
mean all the greens can bleak and carry on. We've
got women living with their kids and cars. For God's sake,
we're never going to live in a healthy ear or
afford one. Why can't land or a tear two standard
that they have to sign up for they can't judge
able to say, sixty percent of retail and warehouses and

(01:05:50):
stuff as long as though they have to get a
certificate fitness or sanitary water and the basics fier regress
and old warehouses that whatever.

Speaker 10 (01:05:59):
People could rent them out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Yeah they might.

Speaker 19 (01:06:02):
I hate laws, but maybe they should have a cap
so people can't take advantage. You might find it takes
pressure off the market and you get a whole people
on benefits and stuff to be housed.

Speaker 10 (01:06:10):
Yeah, so that's got no time to get their healthy home.

Speaker 19 (01:06:13):
At six hundred and seven hundred dollars for their two children.
Never in a million years, they wouldn't even be able
to start, but they might be able to pay two
hundred and eighty dollars to live in a commercial warehouse
off of space or something tidally.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Yeah, and maybe it's not even you know, families are
kind of a different thing. But the circumstance I was
talking before. You know, a twenty year old moving to
a big city, hasn't got any money, wants to make
his way in the big city, and also wants to
drink heavily, wants to just sleep in the shed, and
he's not going to get sick. But you know, and
also sorry you go, tim so, but just.

Speaker 19 (01:06:46):
But I mean, there are thousands of beneficiaries who cannot
afford Look at look at the dumps they had them
in a napier. Whether all the hotels were going to
use this, they wound up doing his standards. One bed
of their families are six and seven living them. Give
them the opportunity to sign up for a second tear property.
They know what they getting there has to be stipulated
what they getted, and I'm not allowed to be gouged

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for it. And they might find some of that. He
comes out of the actual retail market as well. Maybe
when they get life kids on the better track for
making them for tier one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Yeah, thank you for your call, Tim. Yeah, so sort of,
you know. And it's not taking it down to the
whole place being full of mold. No, but it's not
quite the a A plus plus plus situation here with
their healthy homes, you know, just just for that, just
for that absolute piece of crap that's moved up to
Dunedin to Auckland and wants to live like a scumbag
for for a few years now, Tyler, people are questioning Tyler,

(01:07:38):
sounds like you've got the wrong healthy homes inspector. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Yeah, well maybe, but.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Tyler, you're the rat on the on the running wheel,
working hard to pay into the system.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Yes, spot on text. So that's exactly what I am.
That's what I feel like anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Maybe rubbish to start with, even if it was build
in twenty sixteen. Have you got a dud, Tyler, boy,
there's a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Of not as much a pushback.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
There's not a lot of sympathy coming through shapers lads.
God quit whining. It's all text deductible. It's cost only
until the subsequent tax years cheers MICUs Marcus, boy, you
got absolute zero sympathy.

Speaker 20 (01:08:13):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
I thought I made a good case, but no, all
you got.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
As a tiny little violin shoved up your nose.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Oh had one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call if you want to give me a
bit of a serve. You're more than welcome at nineteen
ninety two is Dix.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
What do you think about this saying that's come through
it's a tenants home, but the landlord's house beautiful?

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Did you write that yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Andrews sent it through from studio.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
But he's good an, he's a fresh take.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
On talk back, it's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.
Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty news
Talk b.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
It is fourteen to three.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
I'm starting to worry that your healthy homes and speactor
was some kind of practical joke or someone impersonating healthy
game inspeact. That this person's saying the glasshouse in the
back guard should absolutely not have been a problem, and
the extractor fan was fine.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
I didn't ask for ID actually or any sort of
identification of this fellow. Maybe it was just off the street,
but we paid them well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
This Texas says we have a staff house that does
not meet the standards. It has a very good fire
which keeps the house very warm. We supplied unlimited firewood.
In twelve months, the house is going to be pulled
down as it's not worth revamping. There will be a
house available on the farm in twelve months. The house
I live in on the farmers not up to standard,
but I own it, so I really don't care. Craig,

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Welcome to the show.

Speaker 21 (01:09:30):
Good, how are you guys. We've just advertised for a tenant.

Speaker 20 (01:09:33):
We've just got a tenant brandsman, can you little two
bedroom house, beautiful little house and it's fully furnished, brand
new beds, dining room, table, everything, and it's brand spanking new.
And we've just put a couple in it that were
living in their car. And honestly, she's probably three can
sort of a six pack. He's done quite a bit

(01:09:55):
of jail. But she was honest when she boned us.
The first thing she said was, no one looks at
us as I've got bad debt, we're homeless, and we
said come and have a chat. And so we've given
them a go they've been with us six weeks now
that we do weekly inspections the first week. Even if

(01:10:19):
it's a brand new home that meets all the coves,
and these people aren't taught what to do, the house
will be full of mold with it within one winter,
you know. Just the rubbish was piling up after a
week and all that kind of thing. And so we
went in and we said, well, this ain't going to happen. Oh,
cut shorts. Six weeks down the track, the house is spotless.

(01:10:43):
She's out of bed every morning. The curtains are open,
the windows that are open, the dishes are done. She's
learned how to use the washing machine. She's learned that
you've got to put a chicken in a baking dish
or whatever, and you don't just put it in the
oven with and nothing.

Speaker 9 (01:11:00):
You know, these people have to learn how to live.

Speaker 21 (01:11:05):
My wife doesn't work, and she's appeared to spend time.
But the change in six weeks and these people and
house brow they are, it's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Yeah, that's great. You sound like great people. Cray good
good on you. But that is a good point. And
just I know we're punishing you tighter around your house.
But it's a condensation issue, right, And no matter what
you do in a colder climate like christ Church, not
super cold, but colder than in some climates, no matter
what you do, if you're not opening windows, no, there's

(01:11:36):
no matter, You're going to get some condensation, right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
And that's the difference with the anlords, right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
And it's not the end of the bloody world if
you get a bit of condensation on your window, is it?
You have to still if you're living in a house,
still make steps to live in a house and do
what it takes to live in a house.

Speaker 10 (01:11:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:11:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
You can't just expect there's to be a bubble of
pure comfort at all times without doing the basics that
everyone has to do exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
And as a caller mentioned, you know, eighty to ninety
percent of owner occupied homes wouldn't meet their healthy home standard.
But that's exactly what they do because it's their home
and they want to look after it so that they
make sure it's well ventilated, They make sure that the
windows are open. All that stuff is I would have
thought quite normal behavior, but I think sometimes are not
necessarily in my case, but sometimes there are tenants who

(01:12:21):
don't do any of those things, and they think it's
the landlord's problem. And that's where it falls apart, right,
Is that that that personal responsibility to look after your
rental is just non existent sometimes?

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Yeah, Lardi Da, why don't you polish your monocle and
drive your Rolls Royce around the monopoly board and twitterle
your mustache, you slum lord.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
I do need new tires on that Rolls Royce.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
This Texas is healthy home standard. Is the minimum standard
your muppets? Yeah, I know that's the minimum standard right now.
But we're just that's what we're debating. Is it too?
Is it too? Two? What's the word two?

Speaker 11 (01:12:55):
Ron?

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Egregious?

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Yeah, egregious?

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Good, Yeah, I think there's another word. I'm looking forward.
I'm fairing to get there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
It's so tilted towards the tenant, that is what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Na, eight hundred eighty ten. Plenty of techs coming through
as well. We'll get to some of those. It is
ten to three.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news
talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
It is seven to three, just super quick. Matt has
received an apology after something he said on the show
a little bit earlier. We're going to tell you what
that apology is after three o'clock, so stay tuned for that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
And thank you, Jake. Stringent was the word I was
looking for. I was search aground for the word. I
was just asking the question, are the healthy home standards
too stringent?

Speaker 7 (01:13:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Thank you, that was the word. Sometimes just don't have
the words when I need.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
The text machine, Mike, you used to be a rental
property manager, Greig.

Speaker 22 (01:13:50):
Yeah, fifteen years ago. So Andrew asked me to be quick,
so I'll be quick. So yeah, Basically, a good tenant
is like got absolute gold. The rent comes in regularly,
no problems, no damage, everything runs smoothly, that's no issue,
and very little work for the landlord or the property manager.
So are things we used to do to make sure

(01:14:11):
this happened. And that was at the application side of things,
when they first applied. And so first thing we'd pay
I think it was twenty five dollars for a back then,
it was a Veta advantage credit check. They provide their
driver's license and we've got a credit check. And so
if you had ten applications and seven of them full
of defaults and had huge bills that they hadn't paid.

(01:14:34):
No applications straight in the bin. If they had a
clear credit history, right would proceed and then we'd do
a landlord check, so we'd get them to full out
the form ring the land previous landlord. Yep, good as gold.
Also an employer check, so we'd make sure they had
a job so they actually had an income to pay rent.
You're okay, take that off. And then a tendency tribunal

(01:14:56):
check online which costs nothing and you can see if
there are any historic tendency tribunal decisions against them or
anything like that. So once you had that all sorted in,
they roll and usually no problems. So that's how it
used to work for us. And like I said, when
they've got gold tenants, it is gold. But yeah, I'm

(01:15:18):
going yeah, I think the healthy homes thing's really good. Obviously,
if you want good sentence and you want to keep them,
you have to make sure they're comfortable at all times.
I mean, you know, if they want if they're asking
you for thermal curtains in the bedroom, yeah, I mean
that's up to the landlord. If you want to spend
extra money to keep them long term, that's fine. But

(01:15:39):
the other thing I want from a tenant's point of view,
I wanted to mention is that sometimes a landlord or
a property manager in the application form for a rental property,
there's a bottom at the end of the of the
agreement form is extra conditions. And if you're a tenant,
one thing to look out for if the landlord or
property manager says, please clean the carpets and get them
shampooed at the end of the tendency, well, an actual fact,

(01:16:02):
you're not allowed to do that because everything's contained within
the Residential Tenancies Act. So you can put all the
clause you like, so put thinks from INGOs in the
front lawn at if it's not in the Residential Tenancys Act,
a landlord can't even though the tenants signs that contract,
the landlord can't endorse those extra conditions.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
So yeah, Mike nicely said, mate, we're out of time,
my friend, but that is a good place to leave it.
Thank you very much. Actually, I will say, we've just
got an email Matt from Cape Town on this particular subject.
I'll read that out after the news, which is coming
up very soon.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Tyler, you're a typical example of right right wing victimhood.
How much rent do you charge and also how much
income text do you claim back? Rentals are a business
and need to meet the laws full stop. Stop being
such an entitled little baby.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
If I want to be entitled, I'll be entitled.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
News is next, You're on you Home are instal and
Entertaining Talk. It's Matty and Taylor Adams afternoons on news
Talk set.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Very good afternoon, g You welcome back into the program
at is six past three and it was a great
discussion over the last two hours about landlords versus tenants.
Where does the balance of power lie? Now I mentioned
We've just got an email from Cape Town and I'll
read it out. It's a short one. Get agents. Hello
from Cape Town. I saved a fortune living in an
ext funeral funeral home for two years. I slept like

(01:17:31):
a baby. There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. The two tears you want.
You want to have this healthy home standard, but you
also want just the the young man trying to make
it in the world, that who wants to spend all
his money on beers and just slum it while he
spends his money on drinking and dreams. Yeah, it's that now,
and he doesn't care whether it's drafty or just wrap
himself up in an old rug.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Sleep two rentals. It's going to happen now. We also
mentioned there was something that you said today and last
hour you did receive an apology for what you said.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Oh look, I tell you I threw a bit of
a tante in the in the office because I was
walking through my good friends at Herod's Sport and that
all been invited to the IF One movie premiere last night,
and they all cock of the hoop and they were
talking up the movie and saying how good it was,
and I was saying, why.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
What about Little Old Maddie.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Yeah, a little Old Maddie, big if One fan, big
movie fan, always talking about movies on Little Old Maddie
and Little Old Tyler's bloody radio show on z You'd be.
Where was my invite? Yeah? And then then I got
an email saying sorry, we didn't invite you, and they
sent me free tickets. So the world is a good place,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
All you're going to do is throw a tan t
and yeah, things will happen.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
If you just throw a little baby strip publicly and
you get whatever you want. That's the lesson.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
That is the lesson, Ken say no.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
So I'm hugely excited. I'm very excited about this if
one movie. But they yeah, the reviews are good. Yeah,
review is really good. When I first saw it, I
was like, how can this be good? I was excited
about it, but you know, and you'll be beautifully shot as well.
But I was saying, how they going to make it
work as a story? But differences bloody.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
Great, great reviews. Yeah, fantastic. So look forward to that, mate,
and the one that they've invited you to that looks
like a fantastic movie as well.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, now I've got to invite to the
bloody premiere of Jurassic World rebirths in there you go,
so good things come to the little babies that throw
strops on the on the radio and in the office.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Yeah, exactly. All is what right in the world? Right,
let's have a chat about this. This is going to be
a great discussion. What is the etiquette around calling someone
out of the blue? Does your stomach drop when the
phone rings unexpectedly? So as we know of course, modern
communication has changed drastically even since our parents' time, and
while it might be normal for our parents to have

(01:19:39):
just picked up the phone to call someone out of
the blue, these days, for some people they say it
can feel stressful or strange. They've got a phobia about
phone calls.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
I think that's true. I think a lot of millennials
in younger do they ask why are you calling? Because
you know, I mean, you'd argue they could just not answer,
but that they're just not used to a call. And
so is it is it polite to call? Is it
okay just to ring someone? Or is it or is rude?
Is that rude now in current etiquette?

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty, we want you
to call. Please don't text touff for this one. But
is it a lost art the old having a chat
on the phone?

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
It seems to be.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
I mean, would you ever.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Call just someone one of your friends just for a chat.
So you might text and say do you want to
meet up for a beer? But would you just call
a mate?

Speaker 23 (01:20:26):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Just calling you have a chat?

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
See?

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
I will yeah, just down of the blue? Asked gen
X as well. I'll often be driving home and I'll
ring up my mate's spooge and just want to chat
about the world about Hey, how are you mate, what's
going on? How was work today?

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
You know, it does make it easier in the Auckland traffic,
I've got to say, because I get real bored just
sitting there and think who can I call and just
have ever?

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Yantu?

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
So I haven't spoken to?

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Is that you using your friends to keep you entertaining
your driving?

Speaker 22 (01:20:49):
Hot?

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
That's exactly what You just ring the missus on the
way home just for a chat.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Yeah quite often actually, yeah, yeah, I just want to
see what's for tea, how's a day? And how's the
dog going? But really good to hear from you on this.
Is it just a generational thing? And what does it
say about And I know gen z get a lot
of stick and millennials actually you give me a lot
of stick for being a millennial. But what does it
say about that generation that they're frightened to pick up
the phone? What is to be scared about of talking

(01:21:14):
to a loved one? Is it sad that we're even
having this conversation? Well, arguably, but does it just make
you sad that that whole part of it because things disappear,
right and the ability. You know, people say that letter
writing has disappeared. Everyone used to be an amazing letter writer.
And you hear from just every single you read. You
can find them in museums. I've seen them, these incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Letters from people that were at World War One, and
it seemed everyone could just write the most eloquent letter
home because you're constantly writing letters to people, and now
their art is completely gone, right, and now people just
write the most low energy, low effort texts to each other.
Yea complete bastardization of the language. No flowery, beautiful descriptions

(01:21:58):
of where they are right. Miss those days, and now
the ability to have a great conversation on the phone
is being lost because people think it's rude to bring
someone up.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Caller ide was a massive mistake. I actually think I
think this is more of a New Zealand problem that
it is an international problem, because I think Kiwi's buy
and large they want to try and avoid conflict. Or
if there's a situation where are sitting at home and
you're relaxed and you're enjoying yourself, then you get a
call from a mate out of the blue and there's
a potential that they're going to invite you down to
the pub. Hopefully, for most of us, we think fantastic,

(01:22:30):
haven't seen you? For ages love to head down, have
a beer and have a catch up, but I reckon.
For a lot of people who don't want to do that,
the kiwi thing is to just avoid the phone call,
just don't answer, not to even answer and say, hey,
look I'm actually really comfortable. I've got one norsewear socks on,
I'm watching Clarkson's farm. I'm not going to come down key.
We just don't do that. They just avoid it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
This text is trying to prove me wrong that we've
lost the art of flowery speech because of text messages.
How are thou, Matt, my beautiful lovely man? Are you
having a bountiful and beautiful day?

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
So it makes you feel good, though, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
See? So maybe the art hasn't been lost. And this
stick says, how can you be an F one fan
and be excited about a fake IF one movie when
there is actual real IF one on just about every weekend,
whether there wasn't, wasn't last weekend was there, but there
was this weekend? Very excited, very excited about the Austrian Grundpeki.
It's not even based on the career of a real
if One driver, not interested at all, not going to

(01:23:22):
bother with at all. Well, I mean, it's a narrative
film that will be shot incredibly well and you know
a bunch of the stars of if One are in
the movie. Yeah, that's a very.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Gavin, Come on, Gavin eighty eight percent on rodin Tomatoes, Gavin,
it's a good movie.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
That's a very wet blanket of a text there, Gavin.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call love to hear from you. Do you
avoid actually speaking on the phone or is it a
generational thing? Really keen to get your views on this.
It is thirteen past three, very good afternoon to you.
We're talking about the etiquette around calling someone out of
the blue. It appears a grown number of people hate
being called out of the blue. They see it as

(01:24:01):
a kin to just popping around unannounced. So doctor Naomi Smith,
she's a digital sociologist. That's a job that didn't exists
not that long ago, and she said it all feels
very pressing the demand of a phone call. You have
to deal with it right then and there and give
it your attention in the moment, in the same way
you would if someone popped over un and out. She says,
people increasingly like to have communic communication on their own

(01:24:25):
terms and in their own time, with a bit of
heads up. Right, Okay, I don't know if I can
abide by that angle that akin to somebody popping around.
I mean, who doesn't like a pop around as well?
But the very fact that we've lost what is essentially
a life skill to be able to talk to somebody
on the phone if you're not expecting a phone call.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Yeah, well does it matter though? I guess the question
is do you take the phone call? Because you can
always not take the phone call. But if you're scared
to have a phone call with someone, I think a
lot of people are scared to have the phone call around,
you know, asking someone out on a date, or even
ringing breaking up with someone yep, or telling your boss

(01:25:06):
that you're sick. Yes, And a lot of that stuff
is because maybe you don't want the pushback in real time,
because a conversation is a verbal conversation is a real
time back and forth.

Speaker 11 (01:25:18):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Whereas some people prefer to if they're soft and weak
and don't have the courage of their convictions, or are
maybe lying. They don't. They don't want to be pushed back.
They want to be able to a period of time
to think of their response. Yeah so, and I think
that just grows over time. People get scared of actually
having a conversation with people.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
Yeah, I mean the sick one. If you're a boss,
would you accept a text from one of your employees
to say, sorry, Boss, I'm sick today, I can't come in.
I wouldn't If I was a boss, I would absolutely
ring them back and say, how sick are you? What
have you got? I need to have a chat with you.
How long do you think you'll be out? I mean
the amount of people that would accept a text, I
imagine would be quite high. And you've got to push
back at that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Guys myself and one of my trades a gen X
and text everything during workday. He prefers I don't call.
That is generally my habit with people. I really cold call,
and that's urgent often a text first, acting younger than
I am. That's from from Mike. Yeah, yeah, because my
dad's like this so what a great New Zealander he is.
But he's not young's he's but he will never just

(01:26:25):
ring me out of the blue. He'll text me and
say are you and you know, obviously he's been through
the whole landline. He's been through everything. I remember when
he was a you know, when he first met my mum.
They wrote letters to each other every day because one
was from up in Auckland, one was an in Bicago. Whatever.
But he still doesn't think that you should just ring up.
He's like text, he goes available for a call and

(01:26:47):
I say, yes, yeah, you know he will and evenness
just just ring But I wouldn't mind. I'll just ring
him off the bat.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
That is very polite. My old man does does the
opposite that He'll give me a ring out of the
blue and I'll miss it and then give him a
call a minute later and he doesn't answer. What is
that about people that do that? Uh, Matt and Tyler?
Do you ring before and visiting a maid or do
you just turn up? I'm from the age prior to
cell phones. Simply you just turn up. Everyone knew the

(01:27:16):
weekend was sorted at seven pm at the local bar
Friday night, big Dave. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. I
mean as a child, I remember having to try and
wring my mate on the old landline. If they weren't home,
I'd just jump on my bike and just hid round anyway,
because what else did you do? There was no way
to get a hold of your mate apart from the landline.
If nobody picks up, then you just ride your bike

(01:27:36):
to the house and see who's home.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Yeah. Wow. What about the situation back in the day
with landlines. If you liked a girl from school or
a girl that you'd met around about when you were
at school when you're a teenager, yep, yet to ring
their house? And then you know my girlfriend at the
time of the girl I wanted to date head She
was Catholic girl, she had like six brothers. That was

(01:28:00):
ringing that house one line. You basically got the third
degree from people that hand you round and you finally, well,
you'd ring up and say hello and who's this and
it would be hello, mister Smith, can I speak to
your daughter please? And he'd be like, what about I
was going to ask her out to the movies?

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
No, No, speak to her brother? Yes, Hi, Lisa's brother
can I speak to Lisa. How terrifying.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Yeah, I mean nowadays it's like just a text even that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
Yeah, Phil, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 22 (01:28:34):
Oh goody?

Speaker 11 (01:28:35):
Sorry about that. You just caught me making a coffee.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
Oh enjoy your coffee mate. Now how are you?

Speaker 24 (01:28:41):
Yeah, I'm okay.

Speaker 10 (01:28:42):
Thanks?

Speaker 24 (01:28:43):
Yeah, how are you?

Speaker 11 (01:28:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
Good good? You don't mind calls out of the blue.

Speaker 24 (01:28:46):
Film, No, No, I was sort of coming at it
from a wee bit of a different angle too, which
I'll a rhetoric or which I'll expand on the bullaky James,
they know, like expand. Yeah, No, I don't mind when
if I make calls up or a family member just

(01:29:07):
calls up the blue to say get a here you're
doing just to have a check on you, or a chat,
you know, and you have a bit of a natter.

Speaker 11 (01:29:13):
About stuff, you know, sport.

Speaker 24 (01:29:16):
Whatever, things you've been watching, movies, just the general thing
in life, politics or economics whatever, or the same as
the same as if someone just pops around out of
the blue, you know, just to decide to visit you
and drop it and say get a I can sort
of under I mean maybe if you get get caught
doing something a bit embarrassing and let's say, not go

(01:29:38):
into it too far. But yeah, maybe that kind of
aspect of it that expect gob it might be a bit,
you know, that aspect. Maybe that's what people were sort
of thinking of. I don't know, but in general, but
in general, I don't mind, because the other thing what
I was going to say too, for me was coming
from it looking at it with a slightly different lens

(01:29:59):
at the moment too. With my life situation is I
sort of struggle with depression and mental health, you know,
and so and quite often when I'm not feeling great
about myself, you know, we're just life in genuine I'm
thinking about things and stuff, and that I quite withdraw,
and I go within myself and get quite withdraw, withdraw

(01:30:22):
into myself. And and even though you know I might
quite I might think, oh, I quite like to ring
my sow and sow and see how they're getting on.
I have a conversation, but because of your mood and
you stay in mind and that sort of thing, you
don't you just sit there, you know. So that can
be quite nice when someone does just ring out of

(01:30:42):
the blue and you end up having a chat and
you feel a bit better, you know after that, So
def to that aspect of it too, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I wonderful. You know, for guys in
particular as well, we're not fantastic chatters at the at
the beast of times, or some of us are actually,
But for guys, you know, just just calling a mate
out of the blue might be something that is, you know,
it's more of a challenge I think for females.

Speaker 24 (01:31:12):
So are you saying run that by him again, Tyler
were angry?

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
Yeah, it was. It was a very convoluted way of
asking the question.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
I'm confused as well.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
For everybody's confused. But for fellas, I generally think, you know,
fellas have a reputation of of you know, not being
as great on the communication side of things. So calling
a mate out of the blue or something you haven't
chatted to for a long time, my gut feeler is
that's harder for fellers than it is for women.

Speaker 24 (01:31:40):
Yeah, yeah, I do think, Yeah, I think that's true.
I think there's degree in truth and that where guys
do find it a bit harder, and for whatever reason,
females do sort of find it a bit easier to
call each other up, and that yeah, I think you Yeah,
I think I think you're right there as well. There's
definitely that aspect for males, I think as well.

Speaker 7 (01:32:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
So yeah, Phil, you're a good man. You're a good man.
And if you ever want to give us a call
out of the blue, you know where we are.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
Well.

Speaker 24 (01:32:08):
I was going to say too, Tyler, Sorry, Matt, I
was a good eighty year as well.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Mate, get a Phil.

Speaker 24 (01:32:15):
But I met one of your colleagues on the weekend.
Oh he's one of your colleagues on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
Piney, Oh, Piney. He's a great man, isn't he. He was
down there for the rugger.

Speaker 25 (01:32:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:32:27):
Yeah, he was down the rock pool And I ring
in regularly to this show too, you know, because I
love him sports and that, and I just sort of
chicularly said tomorrow I might pop down. So he said,
come on down, and so I didn't. Yeah, it was good,
He's Yeah, it was good to have a chat to him,
see him, put a name to see, be aout to
see a face, you know, put a name to the face,
so to sort of speak.

Speaker 4 (01:32:47):
Yea, and yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:32:48):
I felt very small though.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Oh he's a tall man. He's a big unit.

Speaker 24 (01:32:52):
Yeah, I'm about five foot eight and he's about six six.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Foot five before he must be up there. He must
be up there in the six foot five category.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Yeah. Yeah, he's a towering man, that's for sure. But
what a good bugger, Phil. Thank you very much. I'd
love to have a chat to you on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty answering the phone A phone call
out of the blue? Is it a kin to just
popping around unannounced? If you want to send a text
nine two ninety two, you're more than welcome to this.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
Texas says. I've been with my husband for thirty six
years and still remember the sound of my mother in
law's voice when I telephoned him for the first time
and she answered super scary, Jen. But you just had
to because otherwise you weren't going to be able to
reach out.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
Yeah, there was no choice. Then you don't get a
girlfriend or boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
Yeah, that's right, you had to like slip them a
note or something. I want to talk talking just a
second about this. Are you familiar with the philosopher Marshall mclullin. No,
and the media is the message I know? I think
this is this pertains to technology. It's a very interesting
thing that I'll bring up in a second. Well, I
think it's interesting, it might be really boring.

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
Who knows this will be God, it is twenty six
past three, but keen on your views. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
Good afternoon to you. It's been called telephone bia and
it is a fear of answering an unexpected phone call.
If that's you, why you're so afraid to pick up
the phone and is it a generational thing?

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
And if that's you Tyler, you're in the wrong business.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Yeah, absolutely, Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
a number of call. We're not going to give out
the text number because we want phone calls. Get a
kushler Ah.

Speaker 12 (01:34:31):
Hi, it's nice to talk to you again, and well
antimatter of course, but I sort of tend to just
pick up the phone of the phone rings. The thing
is too, is that a lot of people have changed
their numbers now which we live on on just cell
phone instead of land line and land nine made it
easier for you to communicate with people, because I remember

(01:34:51):
bringing up quite a few people at the time of
the youth cracks to see your soul, all right, and
they were nicely accepted and everything. And I do tend
to bring up my good friends at least twice a week,
but I do give them time to just have time
for themselves and not too much with me either. You
know that they have your own lives apart from me,
and I like to have my own lives apart from

(01:35:12):
them sometimes too, you know, and less I was particularly
attached or something I would be, you know, perhaps wanting
more to do with somebody, But of course I just
sort of feel that it's nice to keep them touch
and to keep the lines of communication open.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Do did you ever get a call from a friend
you see who it is, you can't be bothered talking
with them right now and not answer Cushler.

Speaker 12 (01:35:33):
I have done that. I have done that. That's done
when you're trying to disconnect with people. It's a part
from something when you've had a lot to do with them,
you know, because sometimes some things can get a bit
toxic and overdone over. You know, people overbring you. You know,
it becomes a number of times a day and it
just becomes bombarding in the engineer.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Yeah, well, I mean I think a lot of times,
a lot of people now just think if someone's actually
calling instead of texting, it's an emergency, so you would
probably answer because yeah, I mean, if something really really
bad's happening, then you're not going to text going how
I've fallen to drain and you come and get me. Exactly.

Speaker 12 (01:36:11):
I know you wouldn't either. It wouldn't be able to
do it, really, would you, because sometimes it's just even
for a short time, like in the case like theirs, question,
ring up and just let people know you remember you're
thinking of them and you're you know, I want to
sort of see if they're all right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Yeah, well it means a lot more, doesn't that actually
ring up and say how are you feeling? How are you?
How are you dealing with everything? Rather than you're right mate?
Yeah in the text?

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Well just okay, question mate. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
I think there's just personality types, aren't they that there?
I mean, my older bro love him to death, but
he's always a caller, never a texter, so he'll never
text and always calls, and you know it's going to
be a long conversation because he's quite often a lot
to catch up with, and that's where I run into
problems because sometimes I don't have an hour to check
to my older Brian. I know that makes me sound
like a bad brother, but you know sometimes it's it's

(01:36:59):
we're all busy here, so you've got to pick those
moments well when like when I'm stuck in traffic, that's
a that's a time to call Dilla, my big bro.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I often read my dad when I'm
driving home, probably when I'm driving home tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
Good use of time efficient, Yeah, and he.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
Can entertain me while I'm on their own. So I
was stalk before about the Canadian philosopher Marshall mclull and
he came up with the saying the global village and
the media is the message. And his claim with any
technology was it's a fantastic I really enjoy his philosophy,
but he said, with every new piece of technology, you've
asked the questions, what does the medium enhance, what does

(01:37:33):
the medium make obsolete? What does the medium retrieve that
had previously been made obsolete? And when pushed to extreme,
what does the medium tend toward or.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
Reverse into oh good questions.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
So I'll answer those questions as best I can. Because
he died before the smartphones. So while we've been talking,
I've been trying to answer those questions with the smartphone
and we'll see how we go.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
Yeah, it is twenty eight to four headlines with Wendy Keminut.

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Now back to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Thank you very much, Wendy. Now before the headlines, Matte,
you mentioned a great philosopher that you're a big fan.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
Of, Marshall McLellan.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
Yes, So there were four questions he asked when any
new technology came to the fore did he call it
the t tread? Yeah, yeah, right, the tea tread. So
the four questions I'm going to ask you when we're
talking about the phone technology, because that's the discussion we're having.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
Yeah, So I think it plays into this we're going
so you've got a phone, so you get the iPhone
and ironically it has moved people away from talking. So
you've got a phone that has stopped people phoning people,
which is quite an unforeseen circumstance for a piece of technology. Yeah.
So when the least a smartphone, the iPhone was invented,

(01:40:06):
you know, the cell phone at first happ talking more,
and then text came in and people were texting more
and talking, and then you've got the the move up
to the smartphone, and it's making talking much less likely,
which is so flipping of what you'd expect.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
Absolutely, so this is good. So let's put those questions
to you. So he asked, what does the medium enhance?

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Well, obviously it extends our ability to communicate and access
information and to be entertained, and communication speed and convenience,
all those things, and you know, all the information that's
really available to us. So it's I mean, it's everything
that the iPhone smartphone enhances.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
Right, yep. So those are good things. But while what
does the medium make obsolete?

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
Well that's always the second part of it, wasn't it.
Landlines pretty much completely obsolete. Now, physical cameras took a
real some personal computing has done there. Yeah, and you
know calendars.

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
Yes, yeah, personal assistance sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
And I guess you could ask for a lot of people.
I mean, I wear a watch, but it got rid
of watches. So just those are a few things I
can think of.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
Ye, what does the medium retrieve that has been obsolete earlier?

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
Well, that's an interesting way. So if you say physical
cameras have been obsolete, the cameras like cameras and photo
taking got massively enhanced by by smartphones, didn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Yeah, we take all photos and we've ever taken before,
that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
Yeah. And and you know, like you could argue the
equivalent of radio with podcasts been massively enhanced, isn't it?
And music, I mean retrieved listening to music?

Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
Yep, very true. And the final one was what does
the medium tend towards and push into?

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
Wow, okay, this is the interesting one. So it's led
to I guess social isolation, hasn't it. That's the odd thing.
So because people are reduced, reduced face to face interaction,
I guess you could argue with decline in real world
experiences and people have become you become over reliant on

(01:42:08):
the device. I guess yeah, I mean those are the
things so push to extreme it does exact opposite what
you'd think it would.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
And that's the crux, right that if you've got a
generation or it might not just be a generational thing,
but a whole bunch of people that are scared and
stressed to talk to somebody on the phone. That to
me is not a good place to be as a
human being. That we want so communicating.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
So push to the extreme. You have the ultimate communication
device that is making people communicate in a way less Yeah,
in a more natural way.

Speaker 3 (01:42:40):
Great, Yeah, great discussion, great questions.

Speaker 7 (01:42:42):
Media.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
The messages I guess are Marshall McClellan's most famous pot.

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call if you're frightened to pick up the
phone out of the blue. Love to hear from you.
Surely you're pretty young and you do most of your
communication by text?

Speaker 26 (01:43:00):
Is that right?

Speaker 25 (01:43:01):
I'm not a text by voice message. Voice message is
quite common. I mean, I'm a busy but it's it's
it's on messenger and you just push the microphone. You're
a cording message. It's the problem I think with that though,
that you're not just sending a simple checks you know,
you could be rambling while you're driving, and all of
a sudden you're like, oh my gosh, I've leave someone

(01:43:22):
a five minute voice message. It also means that they don't,
you know, while we're all working. You can stop and
listen to it when you get to it, and then
you just leave a voice message and they get back
to you when you get back to you know. So
it doesn't really hold any of us up, which is great.
So it works for me, my friends and family.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
So that's on the that's on the I'm i'm you know,
in the message function, so instead of sending a text,
you're just pressing. You press the little microphone down towards
a little message.

Speaker 25 (01:43:48):
I mean, I use it on the Facebook messenger apps,
but you can use it on text message as well.
I find it really convenient for me my children. Other opposite,
my children's video calls every single time, right the video
call their friends and their video call and sit and
don't talk to each other for hours on the in

(01:44:09):
and play games. I'm like, why are you on video
call when you're playing the game. They just said how
they communicate? Now everyone's on video call.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
Do you think that they go and see each other
less because of that because I've sort of got this theory.
When I was a kid, I had to force myself
out of my room to go and see my friends.
Otherwise I wouldn't have a communication. You might try and
wring your friend, but someone in the house might have
been on the internet, so you couldn't get through to
the house, so you actually had to spend time with them.
But now, yeah, as you say, they could just set
up a FaceTime call and they kind of way kind

(01:44:42):
of with their friends, but kind of not with their friends.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
Just leave it there in the background for hours at
a time pretty.

Speaker 25 (01:44:47):
Much unless my kids are you know, at sport, they
don't really go out very much school at the school,
and then the rest of the time it's you know,
they'll FaceTime. So yeah, I mean for me, I remember
sitting on the phone box in the hallway for hours
on the end with the phone long card, which funny enough,
is still there in my parents' house. So yeah, I

(01:45:08):
mean I used to go out. I was quite social,
whereas now I find I don't go out and I'm
a lot more antisocial.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
I grew up with I grew up with three sisters.
Surely the chances of getting on the phone or anyone
ringing through that was zero.

Speaker 7 (01:45:25):
Zero.

Speaker 25 (01:45:26):
I had of us, five of us girls, so it
was always a battle for the phone. So yeah, but no,
I mean, I think definitely we come from an anxious generation.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Do you think that's part of it? Do you think
that thing that you know, what were the topic of
this conversation is younger generations find it quite stressful to
make or receive actual phone calls. Do you think that
that that's part of the you know, and it's making
them more anxious because they become more and more fearful
of face to face interactions just because they don't they

(01:46:01):
take the easier option as we may.

Speaker 25 (01:46:04):
You're very comfortable with their behaviors and this safety behaviors
as well. I guess you know, my children are not
anti social. They're quite social kid, especially at sport and
things like that. But they're not one single out to
them all with their friends or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
It's a hard thing, isn't it. Surely that it's easier
than it's ever been, and not just for younger generations,
for everybody to avoid face to face interactions and to
communicate via text or as you say, just hold the
video call there for hours at a time. But that
to me is quite a sad thing or certainly a
concerning thing going forward, that you don't want to avoid

(01:46:41):
awkward moments. You want to embrace those awkward moments. That's
what makes you better at those interactions.

Speaker 25 (01:46:47):
Yeah, I mean I push myself to go out. I
go out on the weekend. I've I helped look after
rugby team, and that's like one thing that I do
that makes me get out of house. It's pretty much
only social interactions that I have. Everything's very convenient on
phone and it's on voice message, you know, and it
has made it very hard. So yeah, I mean, I

(01:47:10):
think it's it's one thing. I mean, I know someone
said before something about dropping into people's houses, and I'm like,
that's my worst nightmare, someone just dropping in on me randomly.
Absolutely hate it. Actually, Like my own mother's only been
to my house twice this year. Like I'm like, I'll
come to you, but then I can get away.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
But that's that's a lost art because people used to
have to run their house at all times. You see
it on old movies where you had to have stuff
ready to entertain people at all times. You couldn't, you know,
Now if someone's coming around, there's a mad rush to
clean up the house. You bring stuff and to feed
them and stuff. But people used to have to have
food in the pantry, biscuits ready to go, yeah, biscuits

(01:47:50):
and drink.

Speaker 25 (01:47:52):
Yeah yeah, which is my worst nightmare. I love, you know,
I love entertaining that it's got to be my terms
when I know people are coming, so you need to
get your things done and get organized and you know, yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:48:05):
But it's one of my worst things.

Speaker 16 (01:48:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:48:08):
Sorry, but I'm quite happy to go to other people's places,
I feel because I don't want to besier or I
need to go. I can go ye, and they like,
get out of my house.

Speaker 3 (01:48:18):
I've got to go out just quickly on that cheerly.
If you're driving around and you're near a friend's place,
you think, oh, I'm like just pop in. Would you
just go and knock on the door or would you
flick a message first?

Speaker 25 (01:48:28):
Oh no, I always flick a message first. And I
also have great friends that it's cool come in the
dog's away, so you know, it's it's good like that.
I always call first, but mainly because most of my
friends and family call first.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
Call first, or text first cheerly.

Speaker 25 (01:48:46):
Yeah, yeah, cool.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
Voice message, voice message thank.

Speaker 25 (01:48:51):
You usually if I'm close, so I'm cool because i'd
get a straight answer like faster.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
Yeah, surely you've been fantastic to chet to thank you
very much. O. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Just got to play some messages,
but back with more of your thoughts very shortly. It's
fourteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
They'd be afternoon. We're running a bit late, Adam. How
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 10 (01:49:21):
Good guys, how are you good?

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
Do you like a call out of the blue?

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
I do these days.

Speaker 26 (01:49:28):
Actually, I'm a convert. I'm twenty nine, and i'm relatively
I'm two and a half years into a sales career
and I was a historic leave it ring and get
in touch with them later over Texas. But I'm a
big believer of the brain is a muscle, and like any.

Speaker 10 (01:49:49):
Muscle, if you don't use it, you lose it.

Speaker 26 (01:49:52):
And in my career I can have some phone calls
out of the blue where I can have some very challenging,
difficult conversations that I need to be ready to have
on the spot. And two years ago, holy hell, it
would scare the crap out of me. And now it's
just second nature. Yeah, And I think to your point earlier,

(01:50:17):
we've got these phones in our pockets, and the least
used that is the phone. And back in the day
when you needed to know something quick or it needed
to ask a friend to question, pre cell phone and
pre the age of email, you were forced to call
someone and were forced to have a bit of chit

(01:50:39):
chat in and amongst that quick question you needed to
ask them and you got good at talking to your
mates and talking to people. And with the advent of
text and email, you've got a quick question, quick answer,
happy days, and you don't have all of those common,
commonplace conversations that you used to have. And therefore we've
lost that muscle in our brain.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
How did you take it to a deeper level, isn't
it Adam?

Speaker 26 (01:51:05):
Yeah, Yeah, I would say so, And I think people
should probably look at it like that, there's a muscle
in my brain that I need to work. Like going
for a run. You go for a run, you run longer,
you're able to run longer. Yeah, and getting a phone
cause almost were on the couch at six o'clock in
the evening from a friend. That's almost like asking for

(01:51:25):
you to go for a run when that muscle in
your brain has not been worked.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
Yeah. And also and also if you're scared of things, Adam,
like maybe you're a bit socially anxious, then by not
doing them, you just strengthen that fear until it can
become a full blown social fear. You're proving the primitive
part of your brain right when you're saying, I was scared,
I didn't do it. I'm still alive. And so it goes.
It adds the fear every time you don't and so

(01:51:50):
you know, you become.

Speaker 18 (01:51:51):
You're validating it.

Speaker 26 (01:51:52):
You're validating it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, now nicely see it, Adam. And
I think that's what it comes down to, that we
need a bit of discomfort in our lives. That's what
makes us grow and get better at these life skills.
And that's what it is. Right, communicating with people talking
on the phone even out of the blue.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
Well, you know, every study that you can possibly find
fines face to face time spent with other humans is
the thing that makes us happier than anything else. Yeah,
can be stressful, can be political or whatever. But the
more isolated we are, the more troubles we seem to have. Yeah,
Motion and Lily a great discussion.

Speaker 3 (01:52:24):
It is eight minutes to four. Back very shortly here
on New Stalks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons Ustalk
z EDB coming up at fourth. It's Heather Duplessy, Alan Drive, GTS.

Speaker 17 (01:52:43):
And some nurses will be able to diagnose and treat
ADHD patients from next year.

Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
So will this mean the end of huge wait times
to get treatment?

Speaker 17 (01:52:50):
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as is Gamble paid off. Plus, We're going to discuss
why christ School students want the name of Roliston ad
to be changed.

Speaker 1 (01:52:59):
We'll ask you the questions, getting the information you need.
Heather Duplessy Allan Drive with One New Zealand next on Newstalks.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
EDB five to four.

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
Thank you to all your great New Zealanders for listening
to the show. Thanks so much for all your calls
and texts. We had a great time chatting. I hope
you have too. The Mat and Tile Afternoons podcast will
be out and about now, so if you missed our
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and what smartphones are doing to us socially, listen and
follow our pod wherever you get your pods. The Sir
Paul Holmes Broadcaster of the Year here the Dupless see

(01:53:32):
Allan will be up next, but right now, Tyler, good buddy,
tell me why am I playing this song by Blondie?

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
But call me baby, even if it's out of the blue.
Don't be anxious, don't be scared, Just pake up the phone.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
And talk to me exactly. Oh God, that was an
easy one. Great where you are, whatever you are doing
until tomorrow? Are O give my taste of keepy from us?

Speaker 23 (01:53:51):
Love yours, Matt Tyler.

Speaker 1 (01:54:24):
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