Full Show Podcast: 14 July 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 14th of July - if Chris Luxon gets hit by a bus – who's his replacement? This after an article from Audrey Young in the NZ Herald.

Then, coming back from redundancy - tips and tricks from listeners have been there, done that.

And - one to do your head in - are we living in a simulation? 

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:17):
New Zealanders? Welcome to Mantin Tyler Full Show Podcast number one,
six oh four. Monday, the fourteenth of July twenty twenty five,
the birthday of my son. Happy birthday. I don't know
why I boy to say, Nattie definitely won't be listening.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Happy birthday though, Yeah, happy birthday.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yeah, great show today. You challenging for some when we
went into simulation theory, but I make no apologies for
talking about shit that interested me.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah. I thought that was a fascinating chat. I was
out of my death, no doubt about it. But man,
there were some very bright people that called him.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah, there's some bright people. There's also some controversy around
some misunderstanding from our listeners. When we were talking about
what would happen if across the flux and got hit
by a bus. We weren't saying that we wanted that
to happen, or even speculating whether it would. It was
more of just the saying what happens when the Prime
minister goes down and got some great calls on that
and some very soft texts. But it was a great show.

(01:07):
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Leak issues, the big trends and everything in between. Matt
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Speaker 2 (01:26):
Talk said the well, get a to you. Welcome into
today's show, Monday, the fourteenth of July. Fantastic to have
your company as always.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Hey you, Matts, get a Tyler, get everyone, Welcome to
the show. We've got three hours of quality entertainment carefully
cobbled together.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
For you, beautifully said, and that we do after three o'clock.
This is going to be a really interesting conversation. Have
you heard of the simulation theory. It is the idea
that we may be living in an advanced computer simulation.
You've written about this before, Matt Heath and looked into
this at depth. That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
I've interviewed several high level physicists about it as well,
and particle physicists including Professor Brian Cox. Yeah, the Manchurian
about whether we're living in a simulation or not. It
may sound ridiculous to you, but if you accept that
we will one day be able to make simulations indistinguishable
from reality, then how do you know you're not already

(02:19):
in one? If you accept that they can exist, when
they do exist, there'll be many more of them than
the one reality. But we'll talk about that later on.
I thought I was definitely living in a simulation in
the weekend when I made my kids watch Jaws with me,
and then we went long to watch the Star Wars
movie at the theater and there was a trailer for
Jaws coming back to the theaters.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, too much of a coincidence, but that it's going
to be a really interesting chat after three o'clock. After
two o'clock, how did you come back from redundancy? Broadcast
to Melissa chan Green. She faced a public redundancy and
she told her story to the Prosperity Project. It's in
the Herald, but we want to hear from you. If
you have faced redundancy, how did you deal with getting
back into the workforce. A lot of people might have retrained.

(02:59):
Did you take some time off or get straight back
into whatever job you could find?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, did you take your redundancy personally? I've known some
people that have been made redundant and it's really hit
them in the soul because they define themselves as the
person that does that particular job and they can't help
but feel like they've been rejected from it, even if
there's whatever, you know, economic circumstances lead to it. So
you know, and there are people I know that have

(03:23):
been made redundant and then they look back and go,
that was the thing I need it, you know, im
penderm and the obstacle is the way. So that was
the new path. They needed it, and they went on
to much better.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Things exactly looking forward to that after talk clock. But
right now, let's have a chat about the National Party
and any sort of succession plan. Turns out they don't
really have one. But who would take over from Christopher
Luxon if he was no longer able to serve as
Prime Minister. The question was posed by Audrey Young in
The Herald and she mentioned a few names within the
Neighbor Party rankings who possibly could step up, but she

(03:57):
made no definitive conclusion on who that could be.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
It's interesting that there isn't a succession plan we found
out that this morning. Should there be a succession plan
for who the very next person is eight hundred and
eighty ten eight listen to Heather on Breakfast this morning.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Just not a consideration at this point, and not a consideration.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
You can't control the bus, Chris. If the bus gets you,
the bus.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Gets well, I won't. It won't matter because I won't
be here if the bus hits me.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
So he's down to Nicola or bish or Erica or Simeon.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Well again, what you've seen, I think most Zealands will
see is that I've put together an excellent teeth. I've
taken the National Party that was a bit dysfunctional at
one point a few years back. We've got it as
a highly home machine. We've got the right people in
the right places on the right assignment. So you're proud
of all of my minister's in the place.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
Automatically Nichola's number two, she should do it.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
Look, we're just we focused on getting on with the
job of turning New Zealand around heither as you well know.
And it's just not a consideration.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
I think the PM is missing the point there. They're
not saying whether you've got the team in place, or
how you've turned the National Party around. They're talking about
if you get hit by a bus tomorrow, mate, who's
who's Who's the person that steps up and is the
leader of the National Party. A lot of people are
saying Winston Peter's no or David Sima an interim if
the if the prime ministers hit by a bus, then

(05:10):
that person will step up, but the National Party would
get to choose who the prime minister was.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, exactly as.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
The majority member of the coalition.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
And as Audrey did say in her piece, it's not uncommon,
of course, it's not uncommon to speculate on future leaders
and Halen Clark's first term as Prime Minister, when she
was preparing for an intrepid icy expedition, or reporter did
ask her who would take over if she fell down
a crevass, and surprisingly enough she did answer the question.
She did not suggest her deputy at the time, Michael Cullum,
but offered up Education Minister Trevor Mallard.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
This is a very amusing text by someone that a
bit of a soft person, a bit of easily offended
soft persons, says. The tenor of your attack on the
life of Chris Luxen is disgusting. Why don't you drop
dead yourself?

Speaker 2 (05:55):
You prick?

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Whoa says this text for a nine to two tone.
It's a bit of a sensitive person that got offended
that we would even imagine that someone might die. Yeah,
I mean what I would say to that, dear texter,
dear emotionally charged texter. Firstly, I will drop dead at
one point yep, yep. So's my answer to your question,

(06:18):
why don't you drop dead yourself, your pracice.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
I will.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
It might be forty years away, fifty years away, but
I promise you I will drop dead. But secondly, what
I would say is the tent it's not really an
attack on the life of Christopher Luxeen because, as I
was saying before, five prime ministers have dropped dead in office,
and we've only had forty two prime ministers. So John
Balance died in April twenty seven, eighteen ninety three, from cancer.

(06:45):
Richard John Snedden Sidden, a very famous prime minister, dropped
dead in nineteen oh six heart attack. William Macy cancer
in nineteen twenty five.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
This is a very famous one, of course.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Michael Joseph Savage nineteen forty he died from cancer as well,
and Norman Kirk had a cardiac failure in nineteen seventy four.
So that's come one. Just my basic math on that,
that's eleven point nine percent of our prime ministers have
have dropped it in office.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
More than a one in ten chance. That's quite high.
So I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Who could
replace the Prime Minister Christopher Luxon if something God forbid
were to happen to him. Who's in the ranks, who's
in the National Party that impresses you and that potentially
could step up? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call this.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Texas says, might as well be bloody Christopher, Bloody Chippy.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Oh yeah, it's a.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Because they seem to agree on the same on all
the policies. A lot of people say that might as
well be bloody Christopher Chippy.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
I imagine he'd love to be head of the National Party.
You get good numbers, I.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Think Luxe and will be putting that in there his
immediate successor.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Thirty past one.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
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Speaker 2 (08:04):
Be it is sixteen past one and we're talking about
a succession plan for the National Party. A piece written
by Audrey Young and the Hero this Morning asks that
very question. It appears they don't have much of a
succession plan if something were to happen to Christopher Luxon
as Prime Minister and leader in National Party.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
This Texas says Erica Stanford hot and good at a job.
Mark Mitchell good at his job. So Doug doesn't think
Mark Mitchell's hot, but he thinks he's good at his job.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
He's a pretty tasty dish old Mark Mitchell.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
I mean, really, it's God for bad. Christopher Luxon gets
hit by a job and you know what are they
called diplomatic services? Yes, yep, they they'll do everything they
can to stop that happening. Absolutely, But as I said before,
it's happened five times in our history that prime ministers
have gone down. And it's one of those ways to
look at something because you go, it's not political whatever, mean,

(08:55):
it's obviously very political, but it's like, who is the
person that is ready to stand up, not a future leader,
but really right now to go and take over the
reins of the government. Who do you think, who do
you rate? You know, not who's going to you know,
get together a coup and take over? Who the prime

(09:15):
minister could be? Just replacements right now at the road
running and run the country.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Who impresses you in the neighbor list currently oh one
hundred and eighteen eighties a number to call, Peter, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 6 (09:26):
Thank you girls for talking a bit more moderate and
having the piano keyboard skills. But I think it's the
caucus decides and the public decide whether they want which
party they want, But it's the lobbyists that pay for

(09:47):
their policies to go through. And what's the big difference
between that doesn't seem to be much.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Do you think that?

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Do you think, Peter, that they should name the successor
so we know considering that it is a possibility, it's
more possibility. If it's possibility, that we should know who
the person that would be immediately, how the reins would be.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
Well, if you look at the Herald, I can't remember
which political reporter it was when Little was the opposition
leader saying gender Cinder Adn did such a good job
in the by election when Scherer resigned she should be
depintely leader then, wasn't before she's done such a good
job as depintely leader, she should be prime minister. So

(10:29):
that was the media doing the job of who's going
to be the leader of the Labor Party. And is
this the media saying that the current prime minister is
not up to it?

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Well, no, no, it's about I think it's about succession planning.
That is purely what it's about. And that's not an
unusual thing. Is mentioned before, and it was written in
Audrey's piece Peter that Halen Clark was asked about this
during her first term as Prime Minister. She was appearing
to prepairing rather to go for an intrepid icy expedition,
and a reporter asked her what would happen if she
fell down a cravest, and very quickly she said that

(11:03):
it should be Education Minister at the time, Trevor Mallard
that would step into the prime the sterial ship in
the interim, not Michael Cullen. So a few questions to
ask of a party that is currently in government and
you don't have any thoughts about because it is a
refresh National party, right once Christopher Luxon took over and
you've got some quite young, quite new MPs who buy

(11:25):
all accounts, appear pretty competent with the portfolios that they
look after. But it is a refresh national party considering
what happened a few elections ago. They've rebranded, so I
don't think it's it's.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
Too abandoned, but I don't really know about you know,
their vision of where they're going. It just to me.
You know, people are leaving the country, they're cutting back
on housing, doing public private partnerships and I don't really
see any sound vision, and spending a lot more on defense,
which means they're going to take away money from other

(11:57):
areas like health and social initiatives. So really I think
that that all dangerous. The party's in Parliament at the
moment for the vision that we see, and then you've
got other competiting blocks apart from the West with Russia,
China and all those sort of getting together and trying

(12:18):
to avoid the dollar because it could be sanctioned. So
I think the challenges that New Zealand face. You've got
Australians that got about ninety percent of the banking market
with their big bankers and we've got the Federal Reserve
and we borrow money, so to carry on borrowing and
hope and cutting back on people's ability to have an
affordable lifestyle and people are voting with their feet and

(12:39):
leaving and I don't see National and they've tinkered with
the superannerations. Duncan Ghana said, you know that they cut
back for the superanneration years ago when it was agreed
by all parties.

Speaker 7 (12:53):
They backed out of it.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
And Kiwi Save has been attacked twice by National and
it doesn't match up to what Australia is.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Okay, but would you agree, Peter, that we need a
prime minister? We do so if the current prime minister
got hit by a bus, you you would agree that
we would have to replace them with someone even though
you don't think that there's anyone up to the job.

Speaker 6 (13:14):
Absolutely, and so that's the question up to But a
Goldsmith for me is about the only one who's sane.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
But yeah, thank you for your call, Goldsman.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Right, yeah, Peter, yeap.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Peter's sort of and you know, look fair enough, he's
a curse on all their houses. In his opinion that
the Goldsmith's the closest one that he reckons interesting enough.
Audrey Young doesn't rate Goldsmith, but I know some people
have been working with Paul Goldsmith a little bit on
some projects, you know, in his realm, not working on
projects with him, and have been quite impressed with him.

Speaker 8 (13:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
I mean he's one of the MP's in the National
list that is somewhat part of the old Guard right,
and he's been somewhat confident for a long time. So yeah,
I'm surprised Dundrey missed out Old Goldie. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call love to
hear your thoughts on the succession plan for the National Party.
It is twenty two past one.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
This Texas says there's heaps of national heaps of talent.
You got Stanford Mitchell, Willis Bishop in one of them
could step up. Yeah, I think it's some positivity coming
through on the text machine. We like that, love it.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Putting the tough questions to the newspakers the mic hasking Breakfast.

Speaker 9 (14:18):
It looks like Doc is going to do a U
turnover those lizards they initially told mccray's mine in Central Otago. No,
they couldn't expand ten thousand lizards might die. But then
after media attention yesterday, they'd taken another look at the application.
Tama Paultucker is the Conservation Minister and with us is
it going to be a yes.

Speaker 10 (14:33):
Well, that's a matter that Doc and Oceana worked on
at a very productive meeting.

Speaker 11 (14:37):
I expect that.

Speaker 10 (14:38):
They're going to progress that application very swiftly.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
Did you tell Doc to have another look at it?

Speaker 10 (14:42):
I found out about this matter and I've said to
Doc for what has happened here and fished up. There
was a miscommunication.

Speaker 12 (14:48):
They weren't clear.

Speaker 10 (14:49):
About information requirements and they declined it too quickly.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Hither duplusy Ellen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast back tomorrow
at six am with Bailey's real estate on News Talks,
there'd be very good.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Afternoon June twenty five, pass one. We're talking about the
succession plan for the National Party and can you get
your thoughts on one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
This Texas says here that it would be Seymour because
he's a Deputy Pary minister. Yeah, yeah, that absolutely initially,
initially what would happen? Yes, if I think some people
are getting a little bit confused and thinking that we're
somehow wanting good people have said it is certainly are
we're somehow wanting Christopher Luxeon to be hit by a bus.

(15:30):
I've spent a lot of time talking with Christopher Luxeon
on interviewed him a number of times and talked to
him socially. He's a lovely guy. I would be very
upset if he.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Got hit by a bus.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, and anyone that's actually you know, you know a
lot of people have only seen him in the media,
but anyone that spent some time with the man will
know that he's a very generous, friendly person that that
remembers a lot of personal details about a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
So we don't want to be hit by a bus.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
How I mean, it seems ridiculous that we'd even have
to say this, But there's just some people get a
bit emotional.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
They do.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
It's just it's just saying. It's just saying, you say,
what if the prime minister got hit by a bus.
It's very different from I hope the prime to get
hit by the bus firebars. Yeah, it's it's how could
they drop dead? And to be fair, most of the
prime ministers that have died out of the five that
have died in office, two heart attacks and three cancer.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yep, but that's still that's roughly you did the maths.
Eleven percent of those serving as prime minister needed to
have someone to step up in their place because they
could no longer serve through death. Oh eight, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call Love
to hear your thoughts on this. So many texts are
coming through on nine to nine, two full lines.

Speaker 7 (16:37):
Lines.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Seems to be a topic that people are very interested in. Robin,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (16:41):
Hello, how are you well?

Speaker 13 (16:44):
I'm good? But I think this is mischievous word.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
M hmm, in what regard well, I think.

Speaker 13 (16:52):
Christopher Luxem I don't know if any prime minister has
ever had or maybe Simon Budgers. I don't know any
prime minister that's had so much trusting of what he
says and the headline of what's wrong with him and
sort of not smiling photos put in the Herald. So

(17:14):
I think it's caucus. I mean, if I don't like him,
if the National Party don't like him, they'll throw them out.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
They'll actually yes, But Robin, this is that this is
a slightly different question the question is who is ready
in the party to step up if they had to
in case of an emergency.

Speaker 13 (17:29):
Well, I think there's too many there that are ready.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Who are your favorites.

Speaker 13 (17:35):
I really like Erica Stanford, I really like our police minister.
I really like Simon Watts.

Speaker 14 (17:40):
I really like.

Speaker 13 (17:42):
Do I say our police minister?

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I mean Mark Mitchell?

Speaker 14 (17:44):
Yes, yeah, Mark, I mean you so in your.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Opinion, Robin, that's a very competent government that the National
Party has got a lot of talent in there at
the moment.

Speaker 13 (17:55):
Oh. Absolutely. I've listened to them in environmental conferences and
by goodness, do they work hard and are they on
the ball. So for me, there are so many people
in there that actually really have an absolute knowledge. There
have been top of their professions and now they're they're
trying to get our company back on track and having
to listen to Q and A on Sunday. I mean,

(18:19):
Jack had some stone speakers there that are coming back
into New Zealand. So Christopher luxeant only young. Yeah, yes,
it's not going to die. Some would say you're putting
vibes out there.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well, look, we're just going to tell you that.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Well, let's blame it. If we're doing that, it's Audrey
Young's fault. She started with their article who would take
over if lux and fell under a bus? So only
she said fun fell under a bus instead of hit
by a bus. But no, it's good that that you
that you're that you must be feeling pretty good about
the world, Robin. If the government that you support you
also see as being very, very competent, you must feel
like the country is currently in good hands.

Speaker 13 (19:03):
Well, yes, I do think it's in good hands. And
I think what I like is the fact that he's out.
I mean, look at a smiling face. He gets on
like with all the heads of government around the world.
He gets on with so many people, and you see
them out with people. He gets on and he doesn't.
You know, there's some managers that can't employ good staff

(19:26):
because they're a shame that the good staff will actually
show them up. There's other managers that employ good staff
and they let the good staff really do what they're
good at. And I think he's one of those ones
that employs good staff and gives them permission to actually
use their brains, you know, use their brains effectively.

Speaker 8 (19:48):
That's what I like, I.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Think, And as Crystal Luxon said this morning when talking
about the situation, We've got to remember the terrible sort
of position National was internally for Christoph Luxe. And what
do you think about his policies or how running the
country or wherever we're going. You've got to say he
got a very dysfunction party in line. There's there's very

(20:11):
little leaking, there's very little speaking out of out of
turn or getting off topic. You've got to say he's
beaten the party into shape and that's what the National
Party needed before it could even be considered to be
a government. So you've got to give him credit there internally,
don't you.

Speaker 12 (20:30):
Robin Absolutely.

Speaker 13 (20:33):
I mean that's really what I think. And yet he
seems to be this person that they take three words
out of a sentence that he has and turn it
up into something bom or. He seems to be the
person that the news media wants to hate the most.
Am I being biased? There?

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Look a lot of people would agree with that, Robin.
My view on it is that he's the Prime minister,
and the prime minister always gets more heat purely for
the fact that they are the head of the government.
So by nature of that position, you're going to be
in their headline a lot more often, and you're going
to be have quotes taken out of what you say
and put into headlines. That's just the nature of bring

(21:15):
prime minister.

Speaker 13 (21:18):
Yes, but if you look at our last prime minister,
you would I would have to say, is probably one
of the most brilliant orators or public speakers that we
have had in a long time. I mean, Desinda could
get any message across because she had that ability to
capture a crowd. So she didn't get much I don't think. Well,

(21:42):
she did obviously privately, but we didn't have as much distortion.
But maybe that was because of COVID and everything was
locked down. I don't know. Everybody has their own talents,
don't they, and sometimes we forget what their talents are.
And so my perspective, Christopher Luxan has that talent of
being able to allow people to be good at what
they're doing, and he also has the ability to get

(22:06):
on with heads of state right to the world, no
matter what carlor, what nationality, what they are.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for you. Thanks, thank
you so much for your call. Robin really appreciate them.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, no good calls. We've got the headlines coming up,
but thank you very much for giving us a bus.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Love to hear your thoughts about a succession plan for
the National Party if something were to happen to Christopher Luxon, keep.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Laughing at these people. Hey there, this topic is a
very bad taste. The media is continually trying to undermine Luxon.
This is a COVID attempt at doing the same thing. No,
it's I think it's a perfectly reasonable question to ask
who you think is the most competent member of the
covenment government stand up should the unthinkable happen.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
It's a fair question to ask of a party that
is that is governing.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
How softer people? How softer people that they can't hear
the expression what should happen if the primise to get
hit by a bus without crying?

Speaker 2 (23:05):
How weak are people? Grumpy old Monday? Come on people,
it just words your verses twenty seven to two.

Speaker 15 (23:14):
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Speaker 2 (24:29):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and we are talking
about the succession plan for the National Party on the
back of an opinion piece written by Audrey Young in
the New Zealand Herald where she asked the question, what
would happen to or who would step up to take
the leadership role or the prime ministerial ship if something
were to happen to Christopher Lux And so can you
get your thoughts on O one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
The sex is good topic, guys. I support National but
even I can see what you're saying. Obviously he missus
nuance of some questions and maybe misunderstands what he's mean
you say anyway, I'd say Nichola or or Bishop or
Goldsmith would be competent.

Speaker 13 (25:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Look, I think you're economists and what we're saying here,
but thank you so much for you text. We're not
saying that it's not really who should replace him as
the succession plan who you think is really ready to go?
This is good text. Here, Oh boy, here we go.
There's so many texts coming through this very hundreds hundreds.
I just have to support it.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
There was this damn it.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Okay, We'll just go to the phones. I'll try and
find that text again. This is so many coming through. David,
welcome to the show. You think we need to replace
the PM with AI, you.

Speaker 16 (25:33):
Mate, We have the technology now and we could AI
ourselves up, you know, good looking, good looking prime minister
or a beautiful prime minister. It would be you know, unomotive.
It would make good rational decisions and we wouldn't care
what school you went to, what private school you went too,

(25:54):
and what are you wearing Aaron Williams. We don't care.
Let's make good quality decisions because at the moment, you know,
we've you know, we've got a lot of overly emotional
politicians came a lot of flocks and just from their
early lives. So you know that's just THEDAI thing.

Speaker 8 (26:14):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
So do you think do you think that leading with
pure logic would work for a country? Just absolutely, the
most logical answer for every question would would work.

Speaker 16 (26:26):
Well, mate, you know when you look at when you
look at history in the country and you see, look, well,
a logical thing to have done would have been for
the National Party not to have taken away the compulsive
supreation because we would have probably had I don't know.
Somewhere in the vicinity of Akrean were the capital T
dollars in our and our coffers right now, which would

(26:46):
have more than paid for Christians, earthquakes, Gabrielle storm, you know, hurricanes,
you know all of the above. But that was not
a logical decision. That was a stupid decision, and we're
paying for that now.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
It's an interesting it's an interesting idea, David, that there
was the exact right decision that could have been made
at every every every turning point in our history, there
was the right decision to make. And sometimes we've made
good decisions, sometimes we've made bad decisions. But there was
a perfect path that could have been taken that that
clearly hasn't And that's that's a fantastic example. We look

(27:21):
at that and you compare it to the savings situation
they've got in Australia with the system they've got a place,
and you've got to say absolutely that that would have
been a much bad decision. But Rob Maldoon was not keing.

Speaker 16 (27:33):
No, no, and and just you know, look there there's
lots of things that have gone on in this last
few years that have you know, that have caused me
to sort of think, well, why would you make that
decision when it's not logical, it's not it's not a
sensible things and sensibility should prevail. And when it comes
to finances or social the social system that we run

(27:57):
in this country, we need to first off, we need
to be looking at, you know, what's best for the
people that live in this country. And it seems like
there's a lot of decisions made they on you know,
I would say heritage sort of values, which don't always
you know, I mean, look at what you're getting now
you're getting people ringing out going, oh, don't talk about

(28:18):
the prime minister dying. You know, in a modern modern society,
it shows a complete lack of integrity on the behalf
of the leader not to express a suction plan because
you know, our company, it is your jilty, you your
duty to have a succession plan because if you die,

(28:42):
who's going to take over the company? So I people
need to stop acting so bloody emotional about you know,
if you die.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Well, it's like when we're talking about David.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
It's like when we're talking about potential nuclear war the
other day, and you know, how prepared New Zealand was
for it, and so many people were texting and ringing
up and going, you shouldn't talk about it. It's too
too horrible, it's too scary. Stop talking about it. You
should actually talk about the worst case scenarios. That's how
you make decisions. If you only talk about nice stuff,
then you know, you know then, because it's not just

(29:14):
nice stuff that happens. In fact, nice stuff happened, doesn't
doesn't that nice stuff doesn't happen that much. It's mainly
horrible stuff that seems to happen in the world.

Speaker 16 (29:21):
Yeah, well that's right. Look at Gaza mate and you know,
if you want to live in a plastic bubble like
a like a tourist from Japan looking at New Zealand,
then do that. But if you want to live in
the real world, you need to actually get your eyeballs
into what's really going on.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Should and should we do a little experiment here, Peter,
you say that AI takeover. I've just brought up chat GPT.
Although the new GROC is really impressive. I was reading
it over the weekend. It's it's kicking chet GPT's asked
the new release of GROP anyway there's another history. So
let's let's put a question in there.

Speaker 13 (29:52):
What what what?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
What's something that needs to be solved and see what
the logical answer is.

Speaker 16 (29:57):
Yeah, go and do it.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, if you got one. What's something you're worried about?
Oh the what.

Speaker 16 (30:06):
Retirement saving.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Should New Zealand?

Speaker 3 (30:12):
How should New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Solve?

Speaker 16 (30:16):
Improve its retirement.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Improve its retirement savings? Improve it's retirement savings?

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
It's in and AI is thinking, and here we go.
This is this is who's taking over Prime minister. This
is the current succession plan. It's taking a while to
think about it. Actually, maybe this is quite hard.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Is that a good thing?

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Or a set some agents on it? It's online, it's checking.
It's exciting radio for people as we wait for the results.
If you could make some you know, waiting music on
the line music. There's steam coming out of the side

(31:01):
of the monitor.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Is it still going? Is that an issue with our
Wi Fi or AI? Maybe it's our Wi Fi that's
not playing?

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Here we go, Here we go, make can we save
a participation? Near universal lift contribution rates gradually redesign government
incentives so they are progressive in spenditure drive fees even
lower and sharpen default settings. Put as much thought into
decumulation as we do accumulation. So cool on New Zealand, supers,

(31:31):
long run sustainability, closed persistent equity, gaps, double down on
financial capability. It's got a lot of answers here. Keep
tracking and tuning the system.

Speaker 10 (31:41):
Of that.

Speaker 16 (31:43):
Yeah, Love, I think we should call you Prime Minister
raul and GM Willing today, David.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, interesting idea. I need to have a look at
that answer. We'll put that off and we'll go through
the final points.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
It would have been controversial if Christopher Luxean had said
this morning when he was asked who what the succession
plan was, We're just going to check GPTWO, I want
to go down sixteen to two.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Matd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tylor Adams Afternoons
news talks.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
They'd be very good afternoon to you. And we're talking
about the succession plan for the National Party. There appears
to be no succession plan as we speak. The Prime
Minister Christopher Luckxon was asked about it by Hither on
My Costkins Show. This morning, and he didn't give so
much of an answer apart from oft I've built a
good team around me, but non confirmation of who could
step up if something were to happen to them.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
And I've I'm becoming increasedly worried about how soft our
nation is becoming because the amount of texts that are
coming through from people that don't like to hear the
term what if our prime minister got hit by a bus?
They can't handle it. They think it's too horrible.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Boy oh boy.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, there's some soft people out there. Certainly, the sis says,
are you not aware that the things you say manifest
outcomes in real life?

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Your discussion of.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Nuclear war makes war more likely. Your flippant use of
luxe and hit by a bus makes that more likely.
Be careful what you say.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Well, what do you think with some sort of nostrodermis?
I mean, like, I don't think we've got the power
to you know, what comes out of our mouth, it's
not going to change the future.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
So what if I say five times in a row
to offset that? If this kind of magical thinking works,
or say, Christopher Luxem will not get hit by a bus,
Christopher Luxem will not get hit by a bus?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Does that?

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Do you think that offsets the time the other five
times when we've we've used that quite common term of
phrase to you know, describe the worst.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Under that Texas logic. Yeah, that cancels it out. Pete,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (33:39):
Did right?

Speaker 17 (33:39):
We've got to face facts. There is a good topic
you brought up. I reckon it should be discussed.

Speaker 10 (33:44):
If the.

Speaker 17 (33:46):
We all go, we all know that we'll whether they
say might get hit by a train or whatever. So
I think as we as people that vote the that
that person as a prime minister, which of the party
it might be, so we know who's going to fully
his shoes because he could have a medical or have
been to a stroke or whatever. So we're all human

(34:07):
beings in today. We all die where it's whatever event's
going to take place. So I think it's good it
should be a good topic. So that prime minister at
the time is stall and is capable of doing his
job or she whatever, it should be brought up. So
if I die, this person's going to fill my shoes
because right now is because of we have the MMP system,

(34:28):
it's going to be the deputy prime minister. Though it's
David Seymour right now, but he's only got that duty,
that that position because of the negotiations at the time
when they make a coalition. So you know, we don't
really want a prime minister or deputy prime minister that's
going to take over only because he's got in there

(34:49):
because he was sort of got the guy on the
head at the time.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
I mean, I mean that that deputy prime minister would
take over in the short term, but then National being
the you know, the major party in the coalition would
choose who their prime minister was down the track, and
I guess it's almost a thought experiment for the prime
minister to on the spot say who the I think
is the most capable to take over the prime minister

(35:12):
prime ministerial job within your party, because you know, there's
different skills for prime minister. You can be incredibly competent,
but you maybe aren't don't have the skills that a
prime minister needs. They're slightly different than being a minister.
So who did Helen Clark say? She just went straight
for Treva.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Meller, Treven Mallard. Yes, that wasn't even her deputy. No,
So this was her first term as Prime Minister. She
was about to go for an icy expedition and a
reporter asked who she thought would take over if she
fell down a crevass, and straight away she said Education
Minister Trevor Mallard, and she left out her deputy Prime Minister,
Michael Cullens, So poor old Michael would have felt a

(35:48):
bit a bit hurt by that.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Thank you so much for your col pete, But there
you go.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
I mean, it's not unusual, as Audrey said in her piece,
it's not unusual for prime ministers to be asked about
their succession plan. It's happened time and time again with
other prime ministers. And for anybody to suggest that we're
somehow wishing that Christophers and we get hit by her bus.
I mean, people are just you're crazy soft.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Simon Brown would be a good successor if the worst
should happen, Erica Stanford in a heartbeat, she could step
up right up. New Zealand is full of softies. That's
from she didn't actually say. It's a soft part of
the anatomy. That's from that one. That's from cat There.
There was never a succession plan. It's an eternal vote
by the party to elect new PM. Yeah, well, should

(36:38):
there be that's I mean, you know there isn't, but
should there be? Should that be announced that you know?
Like yet we have all kinds of emergency plans contingencies
for things that happen. Should it be if I if
I go down immediately? Yeah, you know it's the VP.
And you know when JAFFK got shot and he got
sworn in, well, Jackie was standing there with with with

(37:00):
JFK's brains on her on her lovely jumper. But it's
a sharing that swearing anything happened.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
It does and most governments do it.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
We're going to take a quick break, but we'll come
back with more of your call shortly eight to two.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Madd Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight. It's
mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
News Talks. It'd be very good afternoon to you. Johnny.
How you doing.

Speaker 17 (37:33):
There?

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, gotcha. We've only got a couple of minutes, Johnny.
You go for it all right?

Speaker 10 (37:38):
Yeah, Look, if if something that happened, there's already going
to be some pre existing order for them to belong
to those international treaties and organizations that there with all
the spying stuff and all the all the safety plans
for Emergian season's already natted out. So it's I think
it's it's a false charge really going on about are

(38:01):
you prepared? I mean, they must make plans and backrooms
with cigar snows in it.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
But shall we should we be told about there, Johnny Oh.

Speaker 10 (38:10):
I think it's I think it's to be expected after
World War Two that we we we shouldn't be asking questions.
You know, Look, there are countries where people don't ask questions,
and they initially deposed the leaders, like in Lithuania and
it they publicly hanged them and all that sort of stuff.
But we don't really demand to know that much because

(38:33):
we don't live in military Johnson's We've bren a monarchy,
that's you know, democratic, So they say, so we've got
a certain amount of trust. And I was just doing
some digging in the garden and I found some Winston
Peter's cards from the last elections and they survived like
being under under the earth for a few years.

Speaker 18 (38:53):
Now.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Why why did you have the cards in the garden?

Speaker 3 (38:56):
So so sort of you've mean, like you know, electioneering cards.

Speaker 10 (39:00):
Yeah, yeah, I had a big banner on my state
housing fence down here in rock and Bay, and UH
with face on it, and had all those and eventually
I couldn't find anything to do with them after they
got in, so I buried them deep in the garden.
It's gold post and I've just found them and they've
survived everything. So it's his special future and his back.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
He's I love that, Johnny metaphoric. Yeah, exactly. Thank you
very much, Johnny and everybody else who phoned and caught
on that, and even the grumpy Texas who got very
angry at that discussion.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
More importantly, lads, what would happen if Heaven forbid both
of you got hit by a bus? Who would take
over the afternoon show? Because it would be shite if
you went there from.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Thank you, Michael. No succession plan yet, We're going to
be here forever.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
That's a smart guy.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Michael's three minutes to two New Sport and weather on
its way. You're listening to Matton Tyler.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
It is Heaven past two.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Do you know what struck me when I was driving
and to work this morning. Well, first of all, how
foggy it was. And secondly, we're now closer to twenty
fifty than we are to the year two thousand. So actually,
because you know, we've passed the middle of it, so
we are closer to twenty fifty than twenty twenty than
then in you know, twenty the year two thousand, huge celebration. Yeah,

(40:30):
that's now a quarter of a century ago.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Far out. That makes me feel very old. That also,
I don't know that that makes me feel I don't know,
I don't like. I don't like that we're closer to
twenty fifty than we are to two thousand. That's how
I feel.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Twenty fifty is a pretty futuristic sounding year, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (40:46):
It is?

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yeah, yeah, and now two thousand. But I said that
to my kids, because I just texted that to my kids,
and they were like, for them, two thousands seems like
ancient history because they were born, you know, deep into
From my perspective, two thousand semi sounds futuristic because it
was always beyond two thousand and party like it's nineteen
ninety nine, and of a vibe when I was a

(41:09):
kid that two thousand was a futuristic year for my
kids and for a lot of people. Two thousand sounds
like ancient history.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
That was a massive year, though, wasn't it just getting
up to New Year's She had the Y two K bug?
Remember the Y two K bug that people were freaking
out about. I remember as a fourteen year old thinking, right,
the world could end tomorrow. That was what mum and
my uncle were saying, because of this Y two K
bug that's going to take out all the computers. So
what a year? Two thousand and we've made it another
twenty five years here, another twenty anyway.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
That's just a ry aside something I was thinking about today.
What have we got in the next hour of the show, Tyler, Well, let's.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Talk about redundancy. So story in the hera today. Melissa
Changreen used to be the co host of the AM
show very public redundancy she faced when she was very good.
She was very good, worked alongside one of our mates,
Ryan Bridge, of course, but her, as in many others
who worked at New Hub twelve months ago, had the
very sad and shocking news that they were all going

(42:01):
to be made redundant when Warner Brothers decided to shut
the operation down. So she's spoken to the Prosperity Project
and you can read a part of what she said
on how she dealt with redundancy. But we want to
check to you if you've gone through that process, how
did you deal with it? If you've been made redundant,
particularly after working somewhere for a long time, did you
have to retrain, did you try and get back into

(42:22):
the workforce asap, or did you take some time to
figure out what next?

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah, how do you take redundancy? I've never been made
redundant in my life. I've never I've never lost a
job in my life. I've always left. I've I've always
left the places I'm working.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
That is surprising, but also good to hear, good to
hear from your point of view.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
What surprising surprising.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Is that I've never you know, I thought you've gone
too far this time.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Matic there's always someone knocking on the door. There's always
someone wanting more, mad Heath. Yeah, yeah, but you know, actually,
or I should actually say, I've always been very very
lucky when I when I chart my career, it's always
been these turning points of absolute lotto winning level luck.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Yeah, but I know really good friends have been made
redundant and that's hit them quite quite hard. It's made
them their job and this happens to a lot of people.
Becomes you know, your job can become your identity in
a way. You are the person that does this, and
if you lose that job, it's taking away part of
that identity, you know, and might be quite hard to

(43:26):
rebuild from that. So any advice from people that have
rebuilt from being made redundant, done other things, or have
eventually turned it into a positive we'd love to hear
from as well. Ie one hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, I have been made redundant once and it was
during the GFC so far, and it was during the GFC.
But I've got to say, and I wasn't in that
job for a hell of a long time, probably about
three years, but I couldn't help but take it personally.
I was a bit younger, and after the GFC, the
company I was working for decided that they needed to
make cuts across the country. But it still felt like

(43:59):
I was one of the unlucky ones and that it
was a personal towards me.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
So no matter how it's described to you economic circumstances
see in that case, did you still take it personally?

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah, yep. It knocked me around for probably three months
while I searched for another job. And luckily, and I'm
so thankful to this person in question, the boss of
a company that I went to go work for, took
a shine to me and took me under his wing
and probably started me on the path that I ended
up here to be frank. But yeah, it was a
massive no to my ego when they decided Tyler, sorry

(44:35):
you got to go. We can't have you anymore. But
can you hear from you on eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty The phones have lit up. If you can't
get through, keep trying.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Matt Lucky, look at yourself. You're doing talkback radio talk
about heading you lows. Well, you don't know how low I.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Was before this. Yeah, and you're listening to this, to
this new low this text.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
It might be low to you, but it's huge heights
for me.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeap is twelve pars too, Begary shortly.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Oh und eighty.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
News Talk said, very good afternoon, Tutor, is fourteen past two,
and we're talking about redundancies. If you've faced that, how
did you deal with it at the time. If you've
been in a position for a long time and it's
the only thing that you've done, did you have to retrain?
Did you take the opportunity to take a bitter time off?
Love to hear from you on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

(45:30):
We've got full boards at the moment. If you can't
get through, keep trying and if you want to send
a text message nine two nine two is that number?
Quick one? Here?

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Hey, guys, got made redundant many years ago. Back then
there were redundancy payments, walked out with sixty k happy
as Larry I was like winning lotto, bought a house
and continued on my mery way.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
There you go, Lynn, Well that's a good news redundancy story.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Craig, you got made redundant about ten years ten days ago.

Speaker 19 (45:57):
Yeah, yeah, So to say, as I sawned your producer
a little bit earlier, it wasn't a huge shop like
I can still of see it coming a few weeks earlier.
Just you can instead of sort of get that sense
sometimes that things aren't quite right. But forty six of
us got made redundant on the sitious of last month,

(46:17):
which was you know, it's a lot of people. Yeah,
and we all work in the same industry, so we're
all hunting for the same jobs, which is pretty obvious.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
How long had you been in that profession, in that particular.

Speaker 19 (46:31):
Job, Craig, So around about two years, so maybe a
little longer than two years, but yeah, a bit of
a shop. But when when you sort of if you've
got your fingers on the pulse a little bit of
what's happening in the economy, you could kind of see
it was going to happen. And also the industry that
I was working in was online industry we're dealing with

(46:57):
I won't name the company itself, but in the in
the tech industry, and a lot of that's been offshore
farm to the Philippines in India. So our opposition, if
you like it, had already made that move, and you
could see it was coming for us as well, because

(47:17):
obviously they can outsource that sort of work, so.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
You could see it.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
You could see it coming, Craig, But how did it
hit you when it actually happened.

Speaker 19 (47:28):
I'm still a huge checking the guard because you obviously
you think you're doing a good job. Everyone's telling you
that you're doing a good job, but there was that
sense of impending boom, you know, and it wasn't a
huge surprise. I don't think to any of us that
it sort of went that way.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
But did you get a playout?

Speaker 19 (47:52):
Not a great deal, not a deal, but thank you
for that. And I can understand from their position too
that it was kind of something that they had to
do if they wanted to remain competitive.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
So you're not taking it personally, No, not at all.

Speaker 19 (48:09):
You can't take it personally because yeah, like as I said,
you could our oppositions companies like there was only four
other opposition companies in New Zealand had already made that
shift to outsource into Philippines and India.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
So yeah, the fact that it's not you, it's the
situation for.

Speaker 19 (48:30):
Another couple of years was actually pretty remarkable.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Right, So how you're facing it philosophically and practically? How
are you facing moving forward?

Speaker 19 (48:40):
Well, it's the old story if you okay, So emotionally
it's a big hit. Financially it's a hit because now
I'm making a position where I'm having to you know, beg,
beg and borrow to try and just keep things afloat
for a few months. So that hurts. It hurts your

(49:01):
your own personal credibility a little bit when you've sort
of end up in that position. I'm in my late fifties,
so it's kind of a you know, you're not at
the most attractive end of being an employee. You know,
not a lot of people want to employ people that
are sort of in their late fifties, which.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Is ridiculous because people in their late fifties are excellent workers,
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah, a lot of knowledge exactly, Yeah, a lot of experience.

Speaker 19 (49:27):
And I feel that that's actually that's what I'm pushing
and what I'm making I think the way I think
last week, maybe twenty odd over twenty job applications that
I replied to, and I'm pushing that experience. It's sort
of you know, yep, you might be able to get
somebody younger basically, but you know, I've got, you know,

(49:49):
over twenty years experience. So you've just got to be
positive and push that and say that I've got two
job interviews this week. So that's not a bad result.
So if you look at twenty odd applications and getting
two to the point where I have two job interviews,
that's a pretty good result, really super positive.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah, did you because you mentioned before you could see
the writing on the wall, did you manage to get
yourself in a better financial position to deal with it?
It was still a massive streets.

Speaker 19 (50:22):
Still a massive stress. Like a couple of weeks before,
I kind of could see the writing on the wall,
so I did start to activate. Okay, let's rewrite the CV,
bring it up, to bring it up to currency, but
not it's not long enough to sort of, I don't know,
put money away for a rainy day if you haven't

(50:43):
been able to. The hours were dropping drastically anyway. Yeah,
so you're already in a financial position where god, you know,
you're just you're already kind of getting hit by the
fact that that that's dropped off. So not a lot
of resources left. And I think a lot of people

(51:05):
have possibly in.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
That position.

Speaker 19 (51:08):
And redundancy. Things have changed a lot, Like I mean,
obviously in the eighties and nineties, if you've been working
for a company for a few years and got made redundance,
you've got massive payouts. Yeah, but that's not what we
deal with currently. So yeah, it was and as I said,
we've sort of been you can see the hours are

(51:29):
winding down, wind winding down. So that was not really
leaving you in a position to you to put anything
away either.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Well, well we'll think of you sharing your story and
good luck out there. And I think are positive for
you is that you're not harboring a lot of resentment.
I think that that can be a problem going forward
when you feel incredibly hard done by, but also you're
angry at the company, and you know, you head out
into the world and in that kind of state. So

(52:00):
it sounds like you've got a pretty good attitude.

Speaker 20 (52:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (52:03):
I don't think you can go around blaming a company
for these things, because you know, it's an incredibly The
business environment today is really hard, So you can't expect
a business to put themselves into hardship to keep staff.
If they have to be current and have to do
certain things, then you've just got to open your eyes

(52:24):
up to that. So it's not a blame game. It's
a yeah, you've just got to look at Okay, I
can't understand why that's happened. Great people I work with
the company was a great company to work for. I
just hope that they feel they made their right decisions
and you're just going to get on with it.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Well, thank you so much for you call. Craig, as
I say, good luck out there. You sound like if
I had a job, I'd probably employ Craig you.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Sounds like an on to it fella.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Absolutely yeah, good philosophy yep. And good luck with those
job interviews as well, Craig. Go at one hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number of call how did you
bounce back from redundancy? Love to hear from you. It
is twenty two past two.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on news Talk SAVY.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Very good afternoon, SHEU. It is twenty four past two,
and we've asked the question, how did you bounce back
from redundancy? If you've face that in your life, I
one hundred and eighty ten eighty C number to call.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
My wife was a lawyer for an insurance company for
ten plus years. She was made redundant and her payout
was well over one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Far do you go?

Speaker 3 (53:28):
She was quite happy?

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Yeah, I bet she was. That is a hell of
a payout. Hey, boys.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
I got made redundant about twenty years ago from an
organization i'd been with for about fourteen years. There was,
of course some bitterness and it was a kick in
the guts at the time, but it was also the
reason I now live in New Zealand. Having moved from
Australia provided the spark for my wife and I had
to move. Cheers John, Yeah, there you go. Well that's
the thing. What's the saying? What did Nietzsche say? A

(53:54):
more farte, which best means love fate? So it is
where you are is where you are. There's not much
you can do about it, right, Yeah, so the past
of the past current, You've just got to love where
you are now. The other saying is the obstacle is
the way so we are now you're made redundant. That
is now the new territory that you tread. So you
have to make your decisions based on where you are now.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
I love that philosophy, love fate, whatever it is, I
love it. I'm here now, this is my opportunity. The
obstacle is the way the obstacle is moving forward from
this position here.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call, Joe. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 21 (54:29):
Hi?

Speaker 18 (54:29):
Good, Thanks guys.

Speaker 22 (54:30):
Yep.

Speaker 18 (54:31):
I just want to say, well, first of all, good
luck to Craig. I thought he sounded a really great attitude.
I was made redundant in two thousand and it wasn't
that big a deal for me because I was becoming
my pleaser was running out for London and I got
more redundant. But I just wanted to share something that
I thought was really interesting. A girlfriend who was also
made redundant at the time. She had found out about

(54:53):
an essay that was written by a Scottish journalist and
it was called the play Ethic. And it's just a
really good tool for instead of defining yourself by the
work ethec like the Protestant work Ethac and defining yourself
as a worker, instead you turn it around and you
define yourself as a player. And then and your life
is play and you live to your work to allow

(55:14):
yourself to play doing these things, and I just think
it's a very positive mindset for people, especially when redundancy
can open doors to know much more satisfying lives.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Yeah, that's an interesting one, isn't it. So you're saying
by defining yourself as a worker, then your identity comes
tied to that job. So as a result, when if
you lose that job, then you're losing part of your identity.
But if you define yourself as the other things in
your life, then that can't be taken away from you.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
I guess.

Speaker 18 (55:43):
Yeah, you're a player, and then extension of being a
player is that you play for companies. You take your
skill set and them, and therefore you see yourself as
more independent and stronger. I just think it's a positive
mindset thing and it might help some people.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Can you can you rise up? Can you be successful
in the company? If you see yourself as a as
a player?

Speaker 18 (56:06):
Does that you think that you're still playing?

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (56:09):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
You mean kind of like a player, like say for expence. Yeah, right,
what you're saying, Yeah, so you play for this team.
That's an interesting Yeah. I'm just trying to get my
head around that. So, yeah, it's so you've been selected
to play, but I mean that there's a lot of
professional sports players. I think I was reading what Stephen
Fleming once said that you never enjoy being a professional

(56:31):
sports men because you're you work really hard to get
selected and then when you're in the team, you're constantly
terrified you get kicked out.

Speaker 10 (56:39):
Yeah yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Just sorry, just to row back, Joe, you you faced
redundancy obviously, and then how long before you picked up
this philosophy?

Speaker 7 (56:51):
Oh it was.

Speaker 18 (56:52):
It was pretty much like.

Speaker 14 (56:53):
The next day or something.

Speaker 18 (56:55):
There's been a few rounds of redundancy. This advertising agency
that it was a big one of the big globally
ones and not expected to be made redundant a couple
of times earlier. I couldn't believe that they hadn't just
gone through all that Australians and New Zealanders. And it
got to a point where I was kind of hoping
to be in the next round, and then I was
in the next round, so it was like really quite good.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Well that's the positive end of redundancy when you're hoping
for it.

Speaker 18 (57:19):
Oh man, I went to Barcelona and Scotland I had.

Speaker 8 (57:24):
And then connected Newseilms.

Speaker 18 (57:25):
But a girlfriend of mine at that agency, she had
she'd found out about this essay that was written by
a Scottish journalist and it's just it's really cool because
instead of defining yourself, you know, you are an individual,
and it just I just think it really helps you
into the feeling like you're in control.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
You know, how quickly were you picked for another team? Joe?

Speaker 8 (57:46):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (57:46):
Pretty quickly.

Speaker 20 (57:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (57:47):
Then I just came back to New Zealand and good
another job and yeah, life went on as it does,
you know.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Yeah, yeah, Joe, thank you very much. Love that philosophy,
and thank you very much for giving us giving us
a buzz.

Speaker 13 (57:59):
You're welcome, thank you.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Oh weight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. I mean
it is, it's actually it was a quote that I
read from yourself, Matt Heath about facing a challenge, and
forgive me, I can't I can't remember the philosopher who
said it, but it was when when something you don't
expect happens to you, you embrace the challenge on moving forward.
That is just save something.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
I think you're referring to. Impeddimentium is where yep, that
sounds right, which is a Latin for the obstacle is
the way? Yes, So basically, so what we get up
in this mindset where we go on, Oh, this is
a disaster, what's happened here?

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Where I've ended up as horrible? What am I going
to do?

Speaker 3 (58:39):
But that's kind of intuitive. What the obstacle, what happens,
what happens to you provides the path. The obstacle is
the way. So you've been made redundant, that is the
path you're on. Now there's nothing you can do about that,
but you can embrace that path. I've been made redundant.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Now I know what I have to do.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
I have to find another job, I have to sort
out my life. I have to move forward. The obstacle
is the way. There's nothing you can do about that,
so you might as well embrace it.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
And I love it because it gives people purpose if
they're faced in that situation. But love to hear from you.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, if you've been
made redundant, how did you bounce back? It is bang
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Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Thank you very much, Raylean, And we're talking about facing redundancy.
If you've been through a redundancy, how did you bounce back,
particularly if you've been in a job for decades or
an extended period of time to face that situation and
then have to look at retraining. Would love to hear
from you on Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
or did you get straight back into whatever job you

(01:00:58):
could find? Nine two ninety two is the text number,
great text hes hees guys, I've got made redundant earlier
this year after being with the company for twenty four years.
No redundancy, but I use my company pension of two
hundred and eighty thousand dollars to pay off my mortgage.
Applied for twenty eight jobs in the first month and
managed to get a few interviews. Ended up being a blessing.
Is now I have a better job with better pay,

(01:01:18):
more flexibility, and a much better work life balance. It
was hell at the time, but sometimes things happen for
a reason. A new job can be exciting and a
new challenge. Love that text. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Call, say Steve, welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Well, hello Kido mates, and what's your story.

Speaker 11 (01:01:38):
So I'm at the latter end of my career but
coming up to my sixties. But I've been made redone
at twelve times wow my career. And as it started,
I was probably twenty and I was working for a
meat works and the clerical team and it was probably
the first big meat works in New Zealand to go under,

(01:02:00):
so the union ford hard and I walked away with
a massive chunk of cash and that took me traveling
for four years. But after that decided that I'd get
into corporate and over that time, you know, restructures happened
all the time, and you end up going through redundancies
quite a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
M yeah, I mean that that's twelve times is a
lot for anybody in their working three here, Steve, and
it sounds like you've got a really positive outlook on that,
so yeah, sorry.

Speaker 10 (01:02:27):
You go.

Speaker 11 (01:02:28):
Some of them I engineered almost myself, because as I
worked through, I got into leadership teams and you do
structural changes and all that sort of stuff, so you
can engineer your way into a redundancy. And that comes with,
you know, whether you want to stay with an organization
that's doing what they're doing. And so I left the
UK with a redundancy and it was great because the
boss and I decided that I would probably wanted to

(01:02:49):
go back to New Zealand anyway. So as part of
that structural change, my job was disestablished, but I walked
away with pounds to bring home to New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
It sounds like you've been writing redundancy to great success, Steve.

Speaker 11 (01:03:04):
My friends do laugh a little bit about the amounts
of times I've been made it and it has been
lucrative in the earlier years. But now you don't have
redundancy clauses like we're used to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Yeah, right, So did any of your run and sees
that you emotionally and you know they all do.

Speaker 11 (01:03:20):
You know, even though you know things are coming, you
can't help but take things personally. So it is it is,
you know guy I said earlier, it's a kick in
the guts.

Speaker 8 (01:03:28):
You do take it.

Speaker 11 (01:03:30):
Even though you can see the writing on the wall.
You know it's around, so it's you know, you've got
to pick so off up. The other thing is I've
made a lot of people redundant again in the in
the leadership roles and you can see the people that
will be the survivors versus the ones that will become
the victims. And that's a big that's a hard thing
to watch as well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
So what is what you know?

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
You've had twelve redundancies, you know, some of them engineered
by yourself or in some of them have led to
travel and such. But what is your strategy? Have you
have you learned some strategies and on the days afterwards,
the weeks afterwards, the months afterwards.

Speaker 11 (01:04:04):
The main thing is keep learning, so as you evolve
in your career, keep learning and also take opportunity. So
I always took opportunities and saw a disestablishment as one
of those things that it's a final point in that organization.

Speaker 12 (01:04:21):
What's next?

Speaker 11 (01:04:22):
So I tried different things and my last redundancy was
probably six years ago. And now I'm a funeral director
running a funeral home. Wow, completely different. But I wanted
to look for purpose. And the good thing about a
funeral home is not it's a business that probably won't
crash and burn too quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
That the bodies might burn, but the industry keeps.

Speaker 11 (01:04:42):
Going and the baby burner is the keeping us busy.
But you know, the point is you keep evolving, you
keep looking for new opportunity, And I've always kind of
had that philosophy. Was it get you down you, Steve?

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Was there any time when you were going for a
new job that they looked at your CV and they
questioned some of these gaps.

Speaker 11 (01:05:02):
Yep all the time?

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
And what do you say?

Speaker 11 (01:05:04):
You know, Well, it's easier to explain a redundancy than
it is to be, you know, to try and explain
that you've resigned from these organizations. So I guess I
had it a little bit easier because of the fact
that they are redundancies, and generally that was around structure
change or strategy change.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Now you said, like you've got a pretty good philosophy, Steve.
Did you develop that over time or were you Are
you just a naturally naturally positive person?

Speaker 11 (01:05:30):
Well, I like to think that I'm naturally positive, but
I think there's a resilience that comes with two or
three redundancies because you have to pick yourself up, you
have to look forward, and you have to you know,
you've got to turn up and sort of not be negative.
And I've watched organizations that have gone through restructures, and
the negativity can be intense and you can get really

(01:05:51):
caught into it. I'm not that person. I'll kind of
get up and get on and try and think about
the ways that I will be better. I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Yeah. I mean, do you do you like that?

Speaker 18 (01:06:03):
No?

Speaker 11 (01:06:04):
You go, Steve, So I like that philosophy the woman
said before about being a player. I think that's exactly
what it's about. You're part of a team and you're
invited to play for a period of time to know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Jobs for life, Yeah, well nowadays, definitely not. I mean,
how many people in twenty twenty five and going back will.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Start their job.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Let's say let's say you're twenty now and you start
your first job. I mean, how many people will there
be any that are still in that same job when
they're sixty five? You know, definitely not the same company.

Speaker 11 (01:06:34):
No, And I kind of say, I hope not, because
I've done great things from being made redundant. And I
think that's because a it's a hard stop and you'd
have to find something new. Yeah, I've had an amazing
opportunity as a result of the hard stop.

Speaker 13 (01:06:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
And I guess in a way it can make you
appreciate just the concept of employment because you know, they
talk about if you're if the opportunity is starving or employment,
then you're not bored at your job. But if you're
looking at a bunch, you're spending all your day scrolling
on Instagram and seeing people that are in a better
position than you, you're bored in the job. But if
you actually concentrating on the other side of it, which

(01:07:10):
is having no money at all, then you love employment.

Speaker 11 (01:07:14):
Yeah, and also take the projects and take the opportunity
to learn. So a lot of people go, I'm all
right because I've got this great job. But yeah, you
know it has changed. Technology changes. I was on telecommunication,
so that changed and evolved all the time. You had
to keep the head or you get left behind.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Yeah, I mean there's there's there's so many jobs now
that seemed so rock solid that and now I don't know,
you know how many TV repair people are there out there?

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:07:41):
Yeah, excepts all ATM technician.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Yeah spot on. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Hey, thank you so much for it for your call, Steve,
really appreciate your insights. You sound like a great New Zealander.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Thank you very much. What a great call. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call love
to hear your stories. If you've gone through redundancy, how
did you bounce back? It is nineteen to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Three your home of afternoon talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
News Talks. There be great to have your company as always,
and we are talking about bouncing back after redundancy. If
that you loved to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Hey, guys, re redundancy best event that ever happened to
me at thirty five, saw corporate life for what it was,
started my own business with passion, risk and bloody hard work,
and attracted the best people. Took me on an brilliant journey,
meant many amazing people along the way. Recently sold the
business twenty five years later, exited with millions of dollars. David, Ah,

(01:08:38):
That rats, that's that's a pendimentium?

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Is weird? Guy? Isn't it making lemonade out of lemons?
That's for sure?

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
I thought you're going to say making love out of
nothing at all?

Speaker 13 (01:08:47):
There is that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Yeah, does that analogy work? I think it does.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
What's that song making love out nothing at all?

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Great lyric?

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
What does that even mean.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Sand Deep. How are you, my friend?

Speaker 6 (01:09:01):
Good mate? How you boys?

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Very good? Now, what's your story? You've faced redundancy yourself?

Speaker 14 (01:09:07):
Yeah, a couple of times. I was actually once some
look I'm not too shamed to name the names. Look Turners.
I was at Turners back in the day. I work
in the risk and compliance space of the finance division.
And risking compliance, as you can imagine, is a roll
intricate to business precision and all that sort of stuff
to regulated down your throat all the time and whatnot.
So you've got to be on your game and to
make sure that the business can operate into the foreseeable future.

(01:09:31):
Diners was purchased by Dorchester, so once they started strengthening
their muscles over their purchase of Turners, they had their
own compliance team, which meant that my well, I was
made redundon that in that space because they had someone
or the entire team actually to replace my role right
equal to that. So what I did then I had

(01:09:52):
sometimes to sit around and so he explain that, and
I completed my second Masters and that Yeah, that was
just me keeping my brain engaged, because my dognant mind
is a very dangerous place.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Boys, I'll tell you that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Yeah, so looking back now, you say that that was
ended up being a positive thing, that redundancy.

Speaker 14 (01:10:13):
It was a positive thing. It was a positive thing
in such a way that, look at first he kept
me out of trouble, keep me focused. Then God the
second masters. But subsequent to that, then when I was
going to job interviews after that, the interesting fact was
that every job you go to, you know how the
if they managers, they hire in their own image or

(01:10:33):
they hire in fear. So what happened was I was
finding a lot of rejections in such a way that
the manager think, oh shit, this blow care is now,
he's going to overtake me. He's going to be coming
from my seatstone. You know, he shouldn't be applying for
this role. He should be applying for my job.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Qualified thing.

Speaker 14 (01:10:51):
That's right, that's right. So maybe it was a little
bit of I don't know, and security from their place
or whatever it was, they saw that, and one dude,
I went and I sat down with them when I
was having an interview, and I said, look, I was
I've been made redundant from my role. Here he goes, no,
hold on, you weren't made redundant. Your role was made redundant.
Use that as part of your dialogue from now on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Ah yeah, I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Yeah, yeah, what he was saying, that's part of the job,
not being your identity.

Speaker 14 (01:11:21):
Correct. Correct, So it's not meat that was made it
was a role that was made redundant.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
Having said that, Sunday, there are occasions then when you,
not you specifically, but where the person is made redundant
and they move heaven and earth to make that person
redundant because they aren't right. Like some people might be
spinning it, and maybe that's a great way to spin
it no matter who you are, but on some occasions
it is actually you being made redundant.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
If you know what I'm saying, I absolutely agree.

Speaker 14 (01:11:48):
I absolutely agree for performance or whatever and just using
your heiding by politics and bureaucracy to get rid of someone,
you know, act a role.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Yeah. What did you do your masters in Sunday, mate.

Speaker 14 (01:11:58):
I've done my Executive NBA.

Speaker 12 (01:12:00):
That was my first masters.

Speaker 14 (01:12:01):
Then I did my I was the youngest graduate in
the country actually with that with the Executive NBA did
that when I was in my mid twenties, and after
that the university tapped me on the shoulder and said, look,
we've got another program going on called a Masters of
Advanced Leadership, and we see you as one of the
boys that's going to be someone you know, very adept
and is on and someone who's going to lead our
leaders in our future. So they kept me on the

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shoulder to do my Master's of Advanced Leadership. And just
as that redundancy notice came across, I said, yeah, well
why not, bugger, let's give it a go and will
be in here.

Speaker 10 (01:12:32):
Got into it.

Speaker 14 (01:12:33):
And have you thrashed that out?

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Yeah? What's out of a thing to do? Masters? But
have you and a little one two of them, have
you managed to use that in your in a new
career standing?

Speaker 21 (01:12:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
I have.

Speaker 7 (01:12:44):
I have rival.

Speaker 14 (01:12:46):
I mean all the teachings that you get, you know,
in the in the classroom, and I'm not, as you
could probably tell, I'm not the greatest guy in the
classroom und the garden sitting in the back seat and
get in a bit of a laugh. But came down
to assignments and when it came time to put you know,
stuff into practice, I got into it. And my writing
and literature and all that sort of stuff was pretty
good and brought a lot of that and a lot

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of the frameworks and teachings and the way that I
like to learn. Like it made me understand that when
the best way that I work is when I get
into something, I have to lose myself, break it and
then try and fix it and then know how it
works on the inside out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Sandy, Yeah, fantastic. I mean, hats off to you to
go and do a master's second Masters. That is certainly
making the best of a bad situation.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Hey, Jents, being your own man slash woman is essential
in one's life. In my opinion, I realized at nineteen
that jobs and bosses could get in the way of
a perfectly good drug habit. Well just kidding. I've had
great highs part in the pun and soul destroying losses
and business, but a very interesting ride, nonetheless, Ross, grateful
dad of Auklann you fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Yeah, well done, Ross, And it's ten minutes to three
back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News
Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
News Talks B. It is eight to three and we
are talking about redundancy how did you bounce back? Have
you faced that?

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
So, welcome to the show. I understand you've bounced back.

Speaker 20 (01:14:16):
Oh yeah, thank you guys. Yes, So I work in
an industry that is a professional industry, and I've been
part of that industry for maybe fifteen twenty years. Anyway,
just before Christmas, oh no, halfway through last year, I
was told I had to go part time, which I
resented at the time but actually turned out to be fantastic.

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And then Christmas there were several of us made redundant.
And I was at the time seventy two. I'm now
seventy three. So I thought, my gosh, where am I
going to go?

Speaker 21 (01:14:51):
I still want to work, I still.

Speaker 20 (01:14:52):
Need to work. And I just thought, oh, well, I'll
always just go cleaning, you know, because I love cleaning anyway,
So I thought, oh, well I'll go. I'll go and
clean houses. That's not a problem.

Speaker 13 (01:15:03):
And so.

Speaker 20 (01:15:05):
In the January I got a phone call from an
ex colleague that I'd worked with, and they I didn't
realize that this is what they were planning, but I'd
heard that I'd been made redundant, and he just said, oh,
would you like to come and have a coffee in
it and you know, have a lunch, and I said yes.
Then in amongst the conversation, he just said, oh, are

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you thinking about keeping, you know, going back to work
if you can. I said, yeah, but who's going to
hire me? You know, like I'm seventy two years old.
Not that people need to know that, but it's it's
a mindset, you know. And so anyway with him, he said, oh,
he said, I've got somebody else to speak with. And
then within two weeks I had another job.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Fantastic, congratulations, thank you.

Speaker 20 (01:15:51):
Being in the same industry but with different people. Now,
I just wanted to say something too. I felt really
inadequate learning new programs, because you know, like you've got
that psyche that says, old dog can't learn, what does it.

Speaker 21 (01:16:07):
Learn new tree?

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Yeah, that's it. It's not true.

Speaker 20 (01:16:10):
And I'm not a I'm not a techno. I am
very practical. But however, I sat there, I have learned
to work on three screens, big screens, so three screens
in front of me. I've learned new programs. I've learned.
But the thing was that that had younger people do
the job that they wanted me to do. But they
didn't know the lingo of the industry, and so with

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my experience of having worked for so long, I knew
exactly what people were saying. I just needed to learn
the programs.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
Oh, good on you, Sue, So do you go. So
it seemed like a bad thing, but it's ended up
being a fantastic thing. Rob, you've got some advice. No
Robbers disappeared.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Oh we just lost Rob. He had some advice for
those being made redundant. We see, we might have run
out of time beginning.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
We may never find out. Maybe that the advice from
Rob was the greatest advice ever. What a tease, And
just as we were going to and we've only got
seconds left in the hour, going to help so many
people when Rob Rob is gonna, Rob's going to save lives.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
We're gonna we'll try and give a Robber call back.
But we might've run out of time. This is a
good text. Good afternoon, guys. My wife is the anti
redundancy queen. She left school when she was seventeen into
a job and now is fifty one on the same job.
The company has been taken over seven or eight times
over the years, and she has always moved up the
ladder and never been made redundant from Jason.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
Here's my advice if you can't get Robs from Mike. Hey, chaps,
we've always said, turn the obstacles into opportunities. It gets
you through cheers.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Yeah, that's good. I mean that goes back to your
you know, obstacles the.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Way, and it goes back to your making love out
of nothing at all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Good advice there, scenario. Thank you very much to everyone
who called and teached on that. Some really good phone calls.
That our new sport and weather is coming up and
after three o'clock this is going to be a great
discussion the simulation theory.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Yeah, are we living in a simulation? Are you living
in a simulation? Are you all living in my simulation?

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
And do you care? Eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
I wonder if Rob's advice was make love had nothing
at all?

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Yeah, good advice there, Right, three minutes to three degrees shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk sebby.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Very good afternoons. You welcome back. Into the program. I
hope you're having a great Monday after noon. We certainly are.
But thank you very much for your company. As always,
this is going to be a great chat.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Yeah, looking forward to your texts and calls on this one.
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. There's gonna be some
people that are going to find this next topic confronting.
There's some people that are going to dismiss it offhand
and say it's a stupid thing to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
There we'll beat.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
There's some people that are going to embrace it and
go deep. The question we're asking this hour is are
we living in a already there's some people just gearing
up to text and what a stupid topic.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
But it's a question that's being asked more and more,
and it's all over the news this weekend, and major
philosophers have been asking this question. And I was asking
the question when I was at the movies and the
weekend I went to see Superman. And just before I
went to Superman in the morning, i'd shown one of
my son's Jaws because he was asking me what I

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thought the greatest movie ever made was, and I said Jaws. Yep,
Jaws the Steven Spielberg classic. It's the absolute perfect movie.
It stands up all.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
These years later.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Fifty years later, it is still just a action pack
visceral movie. Every now and then the Shark look's rubbish.
But anyway, I was talking about that. Just off the bat,
I thought, less, watch Jaws. Then I take him to
Superman and his brother in the afternoon at the movie
theater and they play a trailer for Jaws, and I
was like, we're living in assmination. This is too much
of a coincidence.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
What are the odds that generally though? I mean, I've
been to many many movies in the cinera my life,
and never have I seen a trailer for Jaws. So
that is almost too much of a coincidence.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Yeah, although you could argue it's the movie came out
in nineteen seventy five, so it's the fiftieth year anniversary.
So hence that's why it's on Netflix since we watched it,
and that's why it was a trailer because they bringing
back in the movie theaters. You could you could ask that,
or you could say, we live in a simulation. Now
simulation theory. Shall I put the argument together? I've talked

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extensively Worth Professor Brian Cox. You may know him, the
very famous Manchurian. Manchurian is that someone from Manchester is
a Manchurian.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
I think so, yeah, that works, doesn't it. If you're
from Manchester, your Manchurian.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
There's the Manchurian candidate. But that's a different thing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Yeah, that's very very different. But anyway, very nown physicist.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Yeah, okay, And I had a big discussion with him
and he he says, it's a very good chance that
we're living in a simulation. So I'll put together, I'll
put you forward the argument Okay, yep, why we're living
Why there's a good chance that you're living in a simulation?

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Okay, right at us.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
So it was first postulated by philosopher Nick Bostrom in
two thousand and three in a paper called not surprisingly
are you living in a commuter simulation? So here are
the three tenants of the argument. Ok One, civilizations really
reach a post human stage. Okay, yep, so you ask
these questions, advanced civilizations capable of creating highly realistic simulations

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either go extinct or fail to develop the necessary technology.
Just bear with me with this argument. The second part
post human civilizations really run simulations. Advanced civilizations was the
capability to create simulations choose not to run many or
any simulations of beings with their own consciousness, perhaps due
to ethical, resource or other constraints.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Right, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Third, we are almost certainly living in a simulation if
advanced civilizations do so. If you don't accept the validity
of those first two premises, If advanced civilizations do create
many simulations, the number of simulated realities would vastly outnumber
base realities, making it statistically likely that we are in

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a simulation rather than original reality. Quite compelling that that's
his argument. So I guess the way you'd put it,
if you accept that we will one day be able
to make simulations indistinguishable from realities, which seems likely, then
it's more likely that you live in one of the
simulations of reality than it is that you live in reality.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
It is a fascinating theory. But just to bring you
back to that first question, is that part of the
reason why some of these physicists and the very renowned
physicists say that we haven't discovered life on other planets yet,
that there's a high potential that this advanced civilization has
put us into the simulation and they are controlling that narrative.

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But that is one of the arguments, right, that why
we have not found life on other planets at this point?
Am I correct in that thinking? Say again, there was
one of the theories in this particular simulation that that
why we haven't discovered life on any other planet yet
is because we've already advanced to a situation we're in
the simulation, so that that's controlling the narrative, and that

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is one of the theories behind why this is a
high possibility.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
Right, Okay, I can't quite get my head around in there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Okay, well, we don't have any bearing on it. Well,
I thought that was part of this. What was the
philosopher's name who first came up with this idea, neck Bostrom. Yeah,
I thought that was one of the central tenets of
his argument. But maybe I'm wrong there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
Right, Maybe? So this is a great text. It would
be good if you guys came up with new topics.
You already talked about this once in twenty twenty nine
and also in twenty thirty two.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Oh wow, okayh very clever.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
So I love to speak there is what a load
of shite. But Steve, why why is a load of shite?
You've got to be better than that, Steve. If you
really think that there's no chance that we live in
a simulation, then come up with your argument against the idea. Yeah,
or do you find a defensive for people to think that.
Do you think that it's damaging for society for people
to be so many people now, so many people it's

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blowing up to suggesting that we live in a simulation.
Elon Musk, for example, has talks heavily about how he
thinks we live in a simulation. You can see why
Elon Musk thinks he's living in a simulation because he's
the richest man in the world and gets to do
whatever he wants. He was a big fan of space.
He's probably going to send people to Mars. It would
appear if you're Elon Musk, that you were living in
a simulation, right, yeah, because it's life. What are the

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chances are that you were the richest person in the world.
But do you think it's bad for people to spending
their time thinking they're living in a simulation and somehow
it takes away the stakes of their life, Because when
I first started reading about this, I started telling my
kids about it, and then I thought, I'm not going
to tell them that that because I don't want them
to spend their life thinking they live in a simulation.

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I want to think them they've got one shot to
make things great and that life is very important. You've
got four thousand weeks on this planet.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Make it work, you know, Oh, eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Do you buy into this theory or
have you got some questions love to hear from you?
And I've got to say, just off the from your explanation,
I wouldn't care if it was true that we are
in a simulation. I don't think I would care one
way or the other really, because my life is unfolded
how potentially it was always designed to unfold. But I

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still feel like I'm making decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
This Texas says Wayne asks, so who created the simulation
if we live in simulation? Well, in simulation theory, as
it's outlined by most physicists, is that we we made it.
So we became sufficiently advanced at one point to create
a simulation, and now we all in there, and now
this one that we're currently in is one that's been

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created by humans and as in a computer.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Yeah, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Is this a crazy
idea or do you see some merit in it? Love
to hear from you on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
The text are coming through thick adverst.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
There's some very small my people that don't like to
expand their minds into wider things. Why would anyone listen
to this rubbish? Wow, you sound like an NPC mate.
You sound that text from a non playing character.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
It is fourteen past three, Very good afternoon to you.
We are talking about a hypothesis called the simulation hypothesis.
Now there's a lot of texts coming through and saying
you guys are crazy and you've collectively lost your minds.
But when we say the likes of Professor Bryan Cox,
one of the most renowned physicists alive today, Neil de

(01:26:41):
Grassy Tyson and Elon Musk they.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Neil de Grassy Tyson, I thought it was Neil de
grass Tyson. Why you ding the de Grassy?

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
I thought it was the Grassy? Is it not Neil
de Grassy? I could be wrong. Someone did text me
through me and CuNi and.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Yeah, man Cunian for someone from Manchester. Yeah, no, there
is an imp Professor Brian Chrox about it. But our
boss well came in and he was holding his temples
at a headache.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
He was like, this is too complicated, it's hurting my brain.
So I explained it a little bit. If you accept that,
let's say, for example, a video game, a full immersion
video game where you couldn't was indistinguishable from reality. Yes,
so if you're in it, you don't know that it's
not real. If you accept that that's possible that at once,

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some point in the future humans will well create that,
then how would you know you're not in it? Now
we've got a lot of calls on this stand welcome
to the show. We've got full lines of people that
people that want to go on the on the trip
with us.

Speaker 7 (01:27:42):
Yeah, I'll buy.

Speaker 8 (01:27:46):
What you're supposing. I don't believe there's a simulation. I
think you're living in a reality. But what you're supposing
is that there is a higher reality, which are also
indicates it must be a higher intelligence and possibly more
than were living in four dimensions. You're not. It also

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supposes that there are more than four dimensions. Outside of
this universe, also the physical universe that we experience and
that we live and move and have our being in.
So I don't think it's a good I think I
think there is a higher intelligence. We call them God.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
So you're saying, does not see So so if if
you if you take the view that there's a god,
would that as would he be running a simulation? Would
he just be controlling reality.

Speaker 7 (01:28:42):
Or she?

Speaker 8 (01:28:44):
Well, I think a simulation is indicates something that's not
not reality.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:28:51):
Yeah, So I would not describe I would not describe
a higher dimension as the dimension that we live in
as a simulation. I would call it this is a reality.
You're living real lives, we're having real experiences.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
But stand you could be in a reality. And so say,
for example, you know there's some video games that I've
played before, like Uncharted, and in the video game, you
sit down and you pick up a controller and you
start playing a video game within the video video game,
if you know what I'm saying, So it would all
have to exist in reality in that some person would

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have had to create it. If you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:29:35):
Well, again, I come back to my first My first
point that I think there is a higher intelligence. Yeah,
but I don't think we are a simulation. Okay, I
think we're definitely very much in the reality, but there
is a higher reality.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Well, I mean it's an interesting your point you make
about dimensions, because if you're as we are, three live
in three dimensions, as we do, it would be very
hard for us to even comprehend something operating in four dimensions.

Speaker 8 (01:30:04):
It's like, if we live, we're in four dimensions, height,
with length, and time. I think are the four dimensions.
But I think a lot of theoretical physicists postulate that
there are more than the dimensions four dimensions that we're
living in. So, like I said, I think I think

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we would describe that higher intelligence as God. I mean,
many cultures and many people around the world do believe
that there is a spiritual realm which we sometimes experience,
but we find it very difficult to perceive.

Speaker 13 (01:30:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
But if you wouldn't necessarily for the simulation theory for
it to be a higher intelligence, it could be made
by thousands and thousands of engineers and humans over time.
So when you play a video game, do you think
that it's created by a higher intelligence than you.

Speaker 8 (01:31:02):
Well, no, it's not, you know, because because we are
the maker of the game in which we participate. But
I don't think that that equates to the to the
world that we live in. Something made this world by

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personal belief, something some intelligence designer did make the Denn universe.

Speaker 7 (01:31:31):
We don't perceive him.

Speaker 8 (01:31:34):
With our natural senses, but I think we often see
interactions of that higher dimension, that higher intelligence into our world.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Yeah, but you could you could have stand so love
it because that both things could be true. There could
be a higher intelligence that's created the world, and then
humans are living within the world, and then they get
so advanced at making video games that they make a
simulation that's indistinguishable from reality. And so within that world

(01:32:05):
created by the higher intelligence, you've got some stew but
humans who have created a situation that they've plugged into
a simulation.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Very true. Yeah, stand thank you very much for starting
us off. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the simulation hypothesis.
Do you think we could be living in the simulation
or do you think it is science fiction?

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
Or equally I eight hundred eighteen eighty do you think
this is a stupid discussion and you think this kind
of stuff is just a waste of time.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
Personally, I love a bit of outrageous philosophy, so I'm
going to lean into it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
This has got on a Monday afternoon, but I love.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
Your thoughts on it and look got full line. So
keep trying.

Speaker 20 (01:32:42):
O E.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty if you want to
get through and get your point of view on this topic,
even if it's just a poopo.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
Love this.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk SB.

Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
Boy boy, I don't know if we've ever had as
much feedback on a topic as the deep question, how
are we living in a simulation as many physicists are suggesting.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
Hundreds and hundreds of tigs And I've got to say
not too many people knocking back this idea. A lot
of opinion on whether we are living in that simulation,
but people seem to be loving this conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
Welcome to the show, Steve, and your thoughts on this.

Speaker 22 (01:33:22):
Yeah sorry.

Speaker 23 (01:33:25):
Renee des Cartes considered a variation of this question in
his Thoughts on Identity, and he said, even if I
am living in a simulation, even if I am a
brain in a jar being fed false information, I am

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still me. I think therefore I am so in that sense.
I don't think it really matters whether or not we
are living in a simulation. All we can do is
live our lives as best we can.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
Yeah, that's what Professor Brian Cox said to me when
I was discussing this with him, the great British physicist
particle physicists. He went on and said, yeah, it seems possible,
but what difference would it make? But for me it
would make a difference because and I think that's interesting
with him because he's very interested in astrophysics.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
So for you, Stephen, if you are just a brain
in the jar and the the instincts have been put in,
and you think therefore you are, you have to you
have to have consciousness, so you think for where you are,
where you aren't, you know, that's harder to define, but
you have to exist because you're thinking absolutely, get that,
But wouldn't you prefer that the stars were real when
you're looking out at the stars and they were actual objects,

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and that the people that you love actually existed as
opposed to non playing characters or in a video game.

Speaker 16 (01:34:52):
Well, if they feel real doesn't make a lot of difference.
I mean, I can touch this blanket. Is it simulated?

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Is it the real?

Speaker 10 (01:35:02):
Do it matter?

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
I tend to agree, Stephen. I think if it feels real,
and you know, going back to the a few people
teaching about the matrix, I'll just take the blue belt
and stay in the matrix if it feels real. And
what's the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
I want it to be real, Stephen. I want everything
to be real. I want my kids to be real.
Because my son said this thing to me, and this
is gonna this is going to annoy our management even more.
But my son said to me, but what if you
simulation just started one second ago and no one exists
that you spent all your time with that, you know,

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my lovely mother that passed away a few years ago.

Speaker 23 (01:35:36):
If the similation may the world may or may not
be real, It may or may not be a simulation,
but you certainly are real.

Speaker 11 (01:35:46):
Yeah. I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
The less you can hold onto that, Stephen, I think
therefore I am good on your descartes. I appreciate that.
Ye thank you for your call, Stephen.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Plenty of he's coming through on nine two nine two.
But We're backed up with calls as well, but love
to hear from you. Oh eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty Adam, Hi, guys, it feels down damn real
to me. Yeah, I agree, I agree, Hi guys.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
Interesting topic. What would the difference be between living in
a simulation and living a world and universe created by God?
How could you tell the two apart? She's David, Well, yeah,
you might not be. And that's your point, Tyler, What
does it matter?

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
Yeah, if it feels real.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
If it feels real, it is real.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
And I think I've got free will, so yeah. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Have I lost my chops?
Or do you believe in this theory? It is being
on her pass three jus talks.

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Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Thank you very much, ray Lan. And we're having a
fascinating discussion about this idea called the simulation hypothesis. It
has been discussed at length around the world, particularly by
very renowned physicist, a man that you've spoken to before.

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
Brian Cot Professor Brian Cox. Yeah, and look, I postulated
this this. I discussed this this weekend because with my kids,
because we've been watching Jaws. Then we went to the
Superman movie, and then a trailer for Jaws came up
on the screen, a fifty year old movie, and I said,
this feels like this world has just sorted out for me.
Too many coincidences happening. It's too smooth a path. My

(01:38:23):
life is too good. I feel like I might be
chosen a really good time in history to live. It's
the best time in history ever to live there. True,
there's no plague that we're currently not in any wars
living in New Zealand. Do you think do you ever think, Wow,
I have got it so good. I've got it so good.
There must there's something up. There's something fishing. And I
think that's why Elon Musk thinks he lives in a simulation,

(01:38:44):
because he's backed it up. There's a one on one
billion chance that we're not. Because if you're really Elon Musk,
as I said before, you're the richest man in the world.
You can do whatever you want. You probably do think
his life. Yeah, but I mean, this is the situation here,
isn't it. From the matrix?

Speaker 24 (01:38:58):
This is your last chance after this, there is no
turning back. You take the blue pill. The story ends.
You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you
want to play. You take the red pill, you stay
in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit
hole goes.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
So what do you want?

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
The blue pool or the Red pool? Gareth, Welcome to
the show.

Speaker 12 (01:39:23):
Matt Tyler afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Hey, guys, what's your thoughts?

Speaker 12 (01:39:27):
That's such a deep subject something actually I'm really interested
in artist, So I actually asked AI dropped particularly this
exact question a few weeks ago, and after reading what
I came up with, I came to the conclusion is
definitely real.

Speaker 21 (01:39:47):
Because there's actually a lot of guys that did some
research from us, and they monitored people's brain waves and
they they said, if this is a shared consciousness or
not real, we would have seen similar ranges to reactions
to things, or it'd be some connection on a conscious level,
and they couldn't find anything.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
I've also seen experiments that people have tried to do
and they've gone deep into you know, sub atomic particles
and decided that the level of rendering needed to create this,
if it wasn't real, would be beyond all the energy
in the universe. If you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 21 (01:40:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I mean if you just
look at creation, I mean you just look at how
amazing it is, like the things that had to be right,
the design, building blocks of life.

Speaker 13 (01:40:36):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
Yeah, people get excited about George Lucas and his world
building and Star Wars imagined, the world building, actually build
this world and all its variation.

Speaker 12 (01:40:45):
Yeah, I just think it's pretty real. But definitely other
dimensions around us.

Speaker 7 (01:40:50):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
Would you care, Gareth if you're in a in a simulation.

Speaker 12 (01:40:56):
Not really, because we'd never know.

Speaker 21 (01:40:59):
Yeah, you know, we never know.

Speaker 12 (01:41:00):
And also getting back to what Tyler was saying, the
Fermi paradox, where's everybody so so big? There's so many stars,
you know, he's just think of most of it is
out there.

Speaker 14 (01:41:10):
Where's everybody?

Speaker 21 (01:41:11):
Yeah, that is the point it is, Ma, It is
far to get to, Like we've got stars that are
righteous and a doorstep for us three hundred and between
three like ars.

Speaker 12 (01:41:22):
Away, Yeah, coming towards us before you were even born.

Speaker 18 (01:41:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
I didn't explain that very well before, Gareth, but you're right.
So the Fermi paradox, and I just looked it up.
Was this idea that if it's highly likely or statistically
probable that intelligent life us somewhere. Why haven't we found
it yet? And part of that was because one of
the theories was that we live in a simulation, that
those parameters are controlled.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
If we live in a simulation, then why would anyone
choose to be in a simulation where there aren't aliens? Well,
that sounds like that sounds like choosing the boring simulation
if you were if you're in the shop choosing the
simulation you're going to, You're going to choose the one
where you go, we're all alone in the universe.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Yeah, I want the space travel one six is put.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
Down the hashpag hashpipe lads. Life is life. There is
no God or simulation. Hi, Matt and Tyler. Amazing topic.
If you were living in a simulation, then the dude
who created the Donnie J. Trump character, it is definitely
very much higher power love it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
Yeah, there must be some great writers in the simulation
of it is true. I one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. We're taking more of
your calls shortly, just quickly, though, because while you played
that fantastic Matrix clip and watch pill would you take
and again I think I'll just take the blue pill
and that quote from the villain in that movie Cipher,
and I'll just read it out when he's eating that steak.

(01:42:39):
You know, I know the steak doesn't exist. I know
that when I put it in my mouth, the matrix
is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious.
After nine years. You know what, I realize ignorance is bliss,
and I think ignorance would be bliss.

Speaker 13 (01:42:51):
No, I.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
Want to know. I want to know that people are real.
I want to know that my kids are real. I
want to know that their lives are real, and that
our relationship is real and it's not just created by
something else. I want to know, as I was saying
before my lovely mum that died a few years ago,
I want to know that her life was real and
my men of her are real. I want it to
all be real and true. And I hate the idea

(01:43:13):
of the simulation theory. I hate the idea that humans
got so advanced that maybe there's an apocalypse or whatever,
and we just loaded everything into a computer and now.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
We live at the bottom of a hard drive.

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
It's a compelling argument, and I don't like that when
I interviewed Professor Brian Cox, a reputable physicist.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
He said that there was very.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
Very likely it was true.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
I don't like that. I like it at all. I
want my kids to be real.

Speaker 3 (01:43:35):
I'm going to my son's birthday dinner, yeah, after this,
to give them these presents that I've been wrapping sitting
here where we're well doing this show. I've been wrapping
these presents. Happens to much to Tyler chagrin.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
Well, I mean you were very happy doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
I don't want to be giving them to a simulated son.
I want to be giving them real presents to a
real son.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
Yep an argument one hundred and eighty ten eighty Do
you agree with Matt or is ignorance bless? It's twenty
one to four.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News
Talks before Boys.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
If I live in a simulation, then I've been ripped
off and I want my money back. Hits from Phil.
I think the biggest fear is what happens when we die.
Big differences if we're in a simulation, because that way
we know it's not lights out when we push up daisies.
I mean, that's an interesting point that if as the
Internet is absolutely packed with people talking about simulation theory,
that might be a symbol of the times where people

(01:44:31):
are looking for meaning, because because a lot of people,
religion has rescinded in a lot of people's lives. So
people are looking for these this meaning and this explanation
that to that used to be handed to you in
the Bible.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
Yeah, there'd be a lot of comfort and thinking this
is a simulation and you might have another go.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
And a lot of that answer was in terms of
the afterlife. So a lot of the reason why people
might be postulating simulation theory is that we're living in
a simulation is because at one point you just wake
up and you're like, oh, okay, I'm still alive, and
then I'm going to another simulation.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Yeah. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
Don welcome to the show. Oh okay, thanks.

Speaker 22 (01:45:10):
Well, since you did mention the Bible, I've been watching
this thing. I would use the word scenario, but I
think that because theologians others haven't been reading its original language,
they've overlooked some clues and codes. I think actually the
outline is there. The operator of the simulations left us
with an outline so we can study its past, present,

(01:45:31):
and future by reading it and taking all scientific cosmological, physical, physics, chemistry, archaeology, history.
Funnel it through the outline, and you can explain a
whole lot of stuff, not just about the past, about
the present and the near future.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
So where is where is? Where are?

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
What are these writings you're talking about?

Speaker 22 (01:45:53):
Well, you mentioned the Bible. It's all written down there.
That is the outline provided by the scenario author author.

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
Do you think we're all living in a simulation created
by God?

Speaker 22 (01:46:05):
Well he set it up, of course. It tells you
can want the original language bearer sheet bar. In the beginning,
God created heaven, Earth out of nothing. The the physicists
are saying that the early states of the universe, it
was antimatter and matter. Nothing was divided. The matter and antimatter.
Matter is a hydrogen atom with a proton which is positive,

(01:46:27):
electron which is negative. An anti matters where the protons
negatively electrons positive. That's how they're building all this sort
of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
And when you jump out of the simulation, is that
going through the pearly gates and you're entering.

Speaker 22 (01:46:41):
Well, well, the point is here, depending on whether you
accept the offer in the simulation, Yeah, you end up
in one place or the other.

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
The offer to become heavenly as it were.

Speaker 22 (01:46:54):
So you're well, no, no, no, no, no, doesn't say that.
It actually says that everybody will retain everybody gets a
new body for one place or the other.

Speaker 20 (01:47:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
Yeah, I mean to accept that theory, then you have
to believe in that religion to make it to that step.
Don't you to get.

Speaker 22 (01:47:18):
Religion. It's not a religion, it's information and the outline
text of the operator it's information there. You just have
to read it properly.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
But if I guess, what I'm saying is the C. S.
Lewis idea of that. In the book Mere Christianity, he
says that the idea of being a Christian is that
you become heavenly, so you become what you were meant
to be in line with the universe, and as a result,
you're in a position to ender heaven, if you know
what I mean, which is kind of like playing the game.

Speaker 22 (01:47:50):
But what he says there. Read the series beginning with
the magician's nephew line the witch and a wardrobe voyage
of the drawn treader, and that was his his attempt
as an allegree of the outline.

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
Well, so are all there?

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
According to don there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
Yeah, deep stuff. We asked the deep, Dawn brought us,
brought us deep Andrew, welcome the show, Inury, welkom the show.
We're in a simulation. I'm repeating, we're in a simulation.
Simulation that is.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
I mean, there's no more evidence needed. This is the matrix.
I mean, what the hell happened there? There was a
mess of glitch, wasn't that? I mean, that's tasting us.

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
All these people that are texting you say that it's
a possibility, but where's the evidence.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
They are watching right now and say, hey, we're just
we're just playing. We prank on them. Brendan, welcome to
the show.

Speaker 7 (01:48:47):
Hey, hello, it's great to be on the show. Thanks
very much. I was just wondering about you know, if
it's if it's a simulation, then surely there's a reflection
of the creator's reality in the simulation itself. And if
that's the case, if if the simulation needs to be improved,

(01:49:09):
because you know, we have chaos theory and everything decayed.
How is the simulation that we're in patched or upgraded
with us without us perceiving that? I mean, could it
be that every time our simulation is patched there's an
extinction event?

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
Or yeah, right, I mean I was wondering about.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
Well, well, this is a text to here that says
no new cultural or fashion since two thousand What new
advances has human race made in recent times? I mean,
that might play to your thoughts that there's this big,
this whole theory plays into the dead internet theory and such.
But if you look at what they used to wear
in sitcoms in the seventies, it's very clear that it's

(01:49:52):
the seventies sitcom. You can see the same instantly. Eighties
are the same, nineties are the same. It's very very
clear in errors. But if you go back to two
thousand and five, things look exactly the same as they
do now. And so this is theory that that you
were saying, we're not being upgraded.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
So maybe yeah, there was a writer strike at that time.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
We entered the simulation at COVID times and we haven't
had the whole world shut down, and we just got
load logged up. We're in purgatory, repeating the same culture
over and over again.

Speaker 7 (01:50:29):
Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
Yeah, no, good on you, Brenda, thank you very much.
Oh eight hundred eighty Yeah, thanks mate. One hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Do you
think we are in a simulation? The simulation hypothesis. There's
a lot of very renowned physicists who say it's highly likely.

Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
Yeah, And we were talking about would you take the
red pool or the blue pool? And as Simon points out,
the blue Pillars viager, so yes, I would take it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
God it it's twelve minutes to four, back with more
of your calls very.

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
Shortly, and you're simulating the love life of a younger man.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
Good times, the big.

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
Stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything in between.
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Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
It is nine to four.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
The stix of says, are you in my reality? Or
I am am I in yours? No, I'm in yours,
I'm in your reality.

Speaker 14 (01:51:19):
We're not.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
It's reality. We don't exist. We don't exist.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
Clearly, we're just a voice coming through the earwaves.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
We don't exist. Mike, Welcome to the show. How are
you very good?

Speaker 3 (01:51:30):
Thank you for calling.

Speaker 25 (01:51:32):
Hey, yeah, just be listening on my way home. And
I've always had another another idea on on life as
we call it, and as in mine, as with our
time ins, we actually wake up. I like it a
little bit at the moment. Could be a dream. We
just wake up from the stream when we when we

(01:51:52):
pass on and return back to our other will Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:56):
Do you worry in that scenario that the people that
you love in this world don't exist? That's that's my
concern about that kind of theory.

Speaker 25 (01:52:05):
Well, possibly not be could just be here for an experience?

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
Yeah? Would you?

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
Would you be happy with that outcome? Would be a
bit depressing?

Speaker 25 (01:52:15):
Well, I don't know. You go to sleep at nighttime
and you don't think about the daytime, and you're just
in your dreams. So what's to say that we're not
doing the same thing every time?

Speaker 10 (01:52:27):
This is just a dream.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
I had a dream last night that I was dating
an ex girlfriend and I was thinking, God, I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
Yeah, that's not a dream, that's a nightmare. I'm I
mean this there is comforting. What you're saying Mike. For
a lot of people right there. I think there'd be
many people out there if they're not religious and they
don't believe in the simulation hypothesis. What they arguably would
believe is you get one shot and once you're out,
you're out. That's it. Your consciousness ends. What you're saying
is there might be another shot here, or you you

(01:52:57):
get another role at whatever may come after that.

Speaker 25 (01:53:01):
Yeah, well, that's sort of that's what I'm saying. I mean,
I just read an article this morning of this young
boy a mirror who believes he was one of the
victims in the nine to eleven, you know, over in America,
and he was one of the victims, and that's and
he's come back and in the detail of some of

(01:53:21):
the things he says, is how does he do it
as such a young kid?

Speaker 8 (01:53:26):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:53:27):
Yeah, Well, and sometimes you just see people walking down
the street just talking to themselves and snapping at things
and looking around, and they might be in our real world,
but they're not in their mind, They're in a totally
different world. He thank you so much for you call Mike.
This text says the great news is the human brain
has become so advanced that we think up this crap,

(01:53:50):
yet we are still driven by emotions, violence, and greed,
just like the caveman.

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:53:55):
Yeah, I mean it's a luxury to just sit around
and think we're in a simulation. For most of the
history of humanity, all you're thinking about was whereas where
am I going to get some food to feed my
kids and my missus?

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
Yeah? Very true. Right, great discussion, Thank you very much.
Really enjoyed that. So many texts and vocals on whether
we live in a simulation, and I don't know if
there was a consensus agreement one way or the other.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
Mat Yeah, look, I think that, Yeah, I think the
only consensus is that we could spend all eternity in
a simulation. Discussing whether or in a simulation?

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
Exactly right, great show today, Thank you very much as always.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
Yeah, thank you to all your great New Zealands for
listening to the show. Thanks for your calls and text
We've had a great time chatting. I hope you've had
a good time listening to Matt and Tyler Afternoons podcast
will be out and about now, So if you missed
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Ryan Bridges up next, standing in for Heather. But Tyler,
tell me, my good friend, why am I playing the song?

Speaker 25 (01:55:01):
Or?

Speaker 23 (01:55:01):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
Is this the Smith's There is a Light that never goes?

Speaker 11 (01:55:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Why am I playing it?

Speaker 3 (01:55:08):
Here?

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
A very good There was some discussion about what would
happen if God for the Christopher Luxon never got by
a double giga bus.

Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
Yeah, that's right, that is exactly right. Thank you for
listening everyone, See you tomorrow AVO.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
Until then, give me a taste of kealing.

Speaker 11 (01:55:31):
Love you.

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