Full Show Podcast: 05 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you great New Zealander, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show Podcast number one seven six for the
fifth of August twenty twenty five. Some beautiful stories about
miracles coming into this world via the birthing passage.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's nicely said, yeah, very very correct.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Later in the show. Yeah, and then a cold chat
was good too, and yeah there's something in the oh
your sick days. Yeah, it's a good, really good show today.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
It was a good show today.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Listen out for the I think it was Craig who
basically dived across a room and caught the baby coming
out of his wife like he was taking a catch
in the slips hell.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Of a story, a bad story. And also Matt made
a bit of an emission on something that happens in
the birthing suitet.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh, yeah, which probably shouldn't have probably shouldn't showed that.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
It was controversial and a lot of people teached it
on that. But you'll you'll know when you hear it.
It's coming up, So download, subscribe and give us a
review and give.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
A love you bye.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
The big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news
Talk said the.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Very good Afternoons You welcome into the show sex pass one,
so good, so good to have your company as always
good A man.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Good A Tyler, Is it all right if I addressed
the elephant in the room?

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Please?

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
The elephant in the room is the giant Z you
have on your nose, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
So it's a stonker. It is an absolute. It's gone
down a little bit though, hasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Uh, it's so rid it's I mean, you look like
Rudolph the Red Nose rein deer mate.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
I always looked like Rudolph, to be fair, but he
see as a thirty nine year old man I read.
I woke up this morning and saw the mess of
ZiT and thought, what do I do? You just got
to own these things.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, I say, I think you've been playing with it.
That's the problem though, because you keep putting your two
fingers together and you just got to leave it alone.
Everyone knows that, yeah, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
So I see the steers, I feel the steers out
there in the newsroom because you're already mentioned it once
and mentioned it again and people I see the sympathy
in their eyes and say, oh, you poor bastard.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
But there sympathy should be for me because you know
all the people listening around the countries, they don't have
to see it.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, you whipped out that little bellic lava and said
could you please put that on? I said no, it's
not that sort of show mate, So you know, maybe
next time.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
All right, it's going to get its own area code.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Ah, this is so good. It's so good.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Can we get a band aid in him?

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Andrew? Andrew here with I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Take you to HHR over that.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
It's like being back at secondary school, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
It's going to explode. It's going to erupt all over
the room.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Well if it does, hopefully it goes all over you, mate.
That's all I can say today show, it is a
doozy for you. After three o'clock, we want to talk
about babies. This is a beautiful story. So British and
Iron Irish rather Lions midfielder Bundy archy. He is still
yet to meet his new daughter, but the daughter was
born in the back of the car while he was

(03:24):
preparing for a first test. So we let it slip
in a recent interview and here's the quote. So he
got a call from his wife and ten minutes later
she video calls me and I was like, oh, beep,
what is going on? Then I saw a baby in
the video call. Wow.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I mean, story that is crazy. The miracle of your
child's birth is at such a significant moment in your life,
and for it to happen at a car a new
miles away. But you know, the real hero here is
obviously the mother. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Absolutely, And I think Bundy's mother was there as well
for emotional support because Bundy couldn't be there.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I mean, I assume Bundy's mother is the better person
to be there than Bundy. But I mean his wife
might be asking where Bundy was at that point. Both. Yeah.
I mean, you know, sometimes the baby just comes. So
we want to discuss how you dealt with interesting births.
You know what happened with the miracle of your children
popping into the world.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
You know that is going to be a great chat.
After three o'clock. After two o'clock, let's have a chat
about sick notes. So the e two union. They want
to get rid of sick notes. They say it's unfair
for workers who are sick to be made to go
down to their GP and pay sixty bucks and get
a medical certificate.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, I mean, is it unfaired? It does seem a
bit strange when you're sick. If you're really sick, then
leaving bed to go and get a medical stuff, especially
in Auckland where it's so hard to get into a doctor,
seems like a massive pain in the ass. I would
expect my employer to just believe me that I'm sick.
I've never been asked for a sick note if I've
been sick, because I never take sick days hardly ever. Yeah,
I never take the pets, I guess. But my thought

(04:54):
on that would be like if you if you're an
employer and you're asking for a sick note, shouldn't you
just be looking to get rid of that employee because
you don't trust them. Yeah, So if you think they're
lying to you to the point where they need to
go to a doctor, then you need to be looking
to a way to get rid of them.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I actually agree with the union get rid of them,
but it is arguably about trust. Right, Yeah, there's going
to be a good chat after two o'clock and after actually,
right now it is one o'clock. The country's big four
power companies, as we now know, they've signed an agreement
to set up this coal stockpilot Huntley Power Station. It's
to get us through winter because a lot of the
renewables they're just not reliable at the moment. I'm seeing

(05:32):
those ticks coming through as well. Mate, I love you
our dear listeners. There's a couple coming through about the
old ZiT.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Matt. You're the biggest pillock I've ever heard on radio.
Maybe you need to grow up and leave Tyler alone.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Get Sandy.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Sandy, you don't have to sit there and look at it.
I thought it was Red Nose Day today, you tell them, said,
I thought I was about to donate some money to
Red Nose Day when you walked in.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
You should do that anyway. Actually it's a great cause.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
I thought it was Christmas. I thought Rudolph had turned up.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Tyler buys some Tooey's b Barm from health shop. It
works really good, Thank you, Darryl. I'll try that Toe's
b bum.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, I'm the victim here. Having to steer at it. Anyway,
Sorry to interrupt you, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Anyway, let's have a chat about coal and bring back
up there's that at another time. So the country's big
four power companies, as we know, they are stockpiling this
Indonesian coal, six hundred thousand tons of it. And the
reason they're doing that is because they're not so sure
that our electricity network is going to make it through winter.
We've got low hydro dams at the moment, the wind

(06:26):
turbines aren't working as well as they should be. But
the big question here is why are we importing six
hundred thousand tons of Indonesian coal when we've got a
truckload of it's sitting under mountains on the west coast
and in Wakato.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah. I need someone to explain this to me because
I feel like I'm going crazy here. If we have
coal to if we need to burn coal, then it's
been our own coal, right And people say, look, it's
a different type of coal. But I'm sure we've got
that coal and we've got the ability to get it.
I Mean, sometimes I feel in New Zealand that we've

(07:00):
got this mindset where if it's over there because we
had the woman on the news saying in the fires
and Canterbury were caused by us burning coal in New Zealand.
I feel like we are we need electricity, and we're
all happy to use electricity, and we're all happy to
use stuff that's been pulled out of the ground. Everyone's complaining.
I mean, the woman that was on the news was
probably bringing from an iPhone full of stuff that was

(07:22):
pulled out of the ground, true, and then brought here.
So I feel like sometimes we're happy, but we just
don't want it to be here. We want to look good.
We want to be at the front of the class
and with our arms folded, you know, and so the
rest of the walk can go good on you whilst
still you know, still burning, you know, still using as
much electricity as everyone else. And secondary point, we already
are head of the class because of all of our

(07:44):
hydro we do. Maybe we can burn a little bit
of coal, we're still doing better than everyone else because
we've got what fifty six to sixty percent of our
electricity's hydro. Maybe we need to show off about that
a little bit more globally.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
We should be proud of that. So keen to get
your views. O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
a number to call. Should we be utilizing our own
coal network a little bit more and stop importing this
Indonesian coal to keep our tricity going?

Speaker 2 (08:09):
And why exactly is our energy situation so dire that
we're having to stock pile cole because we're worried about
the whole thing breaking down in the middle of winter?

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah? Secondary question, are we ever going to have enough
renewables to keep it going without coal? I hope we do.
I can see the logic of using our own coal
in the interim, but I hope genuinely that we don't
have to use coal forever. But what do you say
this business is?

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Leave Tyler alone? Matt, You're just a bully. Shame on you. Well,
maybe I am. Or maybe the heat being generated from
that z on Tyler's nose making it that red could
be used to generate enough power to get us through
the winter.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
You U should be lucky, mate, it's cold, it's winter.
You should be enjoying that heat coming off my nose.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
That's the only thing that comes off your nose. If
it explodes on me, I'm taking you to hr it's.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Going to happen. It is a quarter past one or
one hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to call.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Very good afternoon du sixteen pass one. We are importing
coal for our grid security, but should we be utilizing
our own that we've got right here in New Zealand?
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call if you want to send a tection.
More than welcome nine to nine two plenty of texts
coming through, guys. This is just like the butter conversation.

(09:32):
Who wants to sell coal at a reduced price in
New Zealand? Is it really the situation? I know that
we do have some high quality coal, but if it's
a situation that we can't afford to have it here
to keep our electricity grid going.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Well, there's a bunch of people that are texting through
and saying we can get better price for the coal
that we dig out of the ground here, then we
can overseas. But we have closed a bunch of coal mines,
haven't we.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
We certainly have. Now let's go over to Garth. We'll
just click them on that side. Get a get a Garth,
Get a Garth.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
How are you get good?

Speaker 5 (10:09):
Good?

Speaker 6 (10:10):
Something we've got to consider as the carbon tax paid
on each ton of coal. Now, my understanding is that
under the Paris Climb to a cord and a guide to protocols,
all that that Indonesia is a developing nation, doesn't well,

(10:31):
we don't pay carbon tax on coal that we import
from them, but if we burn our own coal we do.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Okay, I mean that makes very little sense, doesn't it.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
It makes little sense. But talk to the Green Party
about that. But yeah, so that's something to check out.
Now that was my understanding. I don't know if that's
the absolute current situation, but that was the situation. So
as a developed nation, we would pay tax on using
our own coal. So we've sold it all off to

(11:05):
the likes of Bathroost Mining and and yeah, we really
don't have a coal industry now.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Still, yeah, if I was being generous to that ideology,
do you think part of that was to make ourselves
look better on the international stage that were clean and green,
and arguably that's better for marketing. Some of our products.
Maybe that was their thinking behind it. It makes no
logical sense when you're looking at you know, the climate
target stuf've got. But perhaps that was someonear thinking around it.

(11:33):
That it's a bit of trickery. We all know it's trickery,
but it was to make ourselves look greener than we are.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
Probably, I don't know. There could also have been a
threshold that if we use our own coal, we'd go
beyond that threshold. I don't know, but yeah, you know,
maybe some other callers will know the exact details on that,
but there's likely to be something like that that we'd
reach a trigger point that if we use our own coal,

(12:00):
which is buddy stupid like to say, it really is.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
You know, I mean.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
And the other thing was stockpiling the coal is it
can cost and stockpiling coal because you can't just sit
it in a heat or it we'll catch fire, but
it'll start to oxidize and catch fire. So at all
the big coal mines and that they have to keep
moving the coal all the time and let the heat
out of the heaps.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
All right, Yeah, well that's not good either, is that
the coal from Wisport is not the right type of coal,
says this text. It burns so hot it would burn
out the internals of the fires. I only know we
bit about it as my son works at Bathist Mining
and Wisport and their coal is sought after overseas because
of how hot it burns used for steel making. It's
interesting we're in putting coal, but it's poor equality. Give
Bathist a coal, yeah, we should. But the interesting thing

(12:45):
about that, so we can't pull that kind of coal
out of the ground. So the kind of coal we
are pulling out of the ground is burning so hot
that it's used for steel manufacturing. But we just don't
have any coal that could run the Huntly power plant.
And if the low quality, and if that's the case,
then why have we built a power plant that can't

(13:07):
use our own coal?

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty. There's a number of call.
It's a good question.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
There may be all be an answer to this question.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Love to hear from you. If you're in the industry. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty is the number to call.
Why aren't we utilizing more of our own call to
keep our electricity network going? Love to hear from you.
It is twenty one past one.

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Speaker 3 (15:09):
You get voted off first round? I reckon. It's twenty
four pas one and we're talking about the coal situation
in this country. As we now know, there is going
to be six hundred thousand tons of important Indonesian coal
stockpiled to keep our Electricity network stable. Why aren't we
using our own?

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Hey, guys, the reason Huntley power Station was built and
Huntley was because it sits beside and on top of
huge coal reams that are just lying on the ground
waiting to be used by the power station. Supplementary question,
what pink Floyd album cover looks exactly like the Hunterly
power station? Is that? What that annoyment? I'll look it up, Andrew,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 11 (15:45):
Gooday, Well, actually, don't look it up. It's the Bettersy
power station in London which got fortune. He's not too
like Huntly, by the way.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
But what's the album though? Album book? Floyd album was.

Speaker 11 (15:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, Look, I recall just on
the back of the coal I recall about twenty years
ago when I was down the Southland.

Speaker 12 (16:06):
Animal a couple of scientists and.

Speaker 11 (16:09):
I think they were animals, but I think I think
they were Geo's, and these guys were talking about the
coal stocks available in Southland and Southland alone. Now they
both agreed that there was good stocks of very good
the high quality coal Ohio coal you'd be familiar with

(16:29):
if you're in the south Old and it gets used
a lot we're used to it, and boilers and hospitals
and schools and public buildings and all sorts of things.
But the one point that they couldn't agree on was
how much there was now. One of these blokes said, look, there,
there's enough to power New Zealand's power needs, the whole
country's power needs for the coal and we've gotten Southland
for the next thousand years. And the other fellow, another scientist,

(16:51):
said listen, old chap no, you're completely wrong on that.
It's not a thousand years, it's two thousand years.

Speaker 5 (16:59):
Now.

Speaker 11 (17:00):
The point is we've got absolutely vast, vast resources here
in Southland, and Huntley is another caller has about and said,
that's why the Huntley power station was built there. It's
sitting on top of a coal mine that there's tens
of thousands of truck movements from Auckland Port of Auckland
down to down the Huntley with filthy Indonesian coal. We've

(17:23):
got gas resources. I'm here in North Otago. We've got
gas resources offshore here in the Otargo basin that we're
first explored and looked at and drilled for on an
exploratory basis in the sixties and then again in the
two thousands, and believe you me, there is absolutely tons

(17:46):
millions of gas underwater under the surface anyway under the
sea floor at it say, just sitting out there, just waiting,
and the company's to drill for they know it's there,
they pugged it and they're just sitting on it. I'm
with Shane James. We need to drill, baby drill, and
dig baby dig if we want to keep our nurses, doctors,

(18:08):
our hospitals, are our roading, our schools going. If we
want to keep that going, we've got to get money
into this country. And the only way we're going to
do that, and we can't rely on agriculture purely, even
though that is that they're planting of this country. But
we've got to make some serious money just so a
Scandinavian country's head.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I mean, the irony is that the iron Our guess
is the drop off in natural gas has led to
more coal usage, I'm assuming, and coal is definitely worse
in terms of carbon output than than natural gas. Would
you be just happy for us to burn fossil fuels
forever or would you hope that one day we found

(18:52):
a solution for a more sustainable solution.

Speaker 11 (18:56):
So one day there will be solutions out there. I
have no doubt. You know, we're a country that's got
some of the brightest and best young minds around that
we seem to export them along with their our raw
logs and our best produce. They take off overseas because
it's not the money. But it will be there one day.
There will be other sources. Whether it's a safer form

(19:20):
of nuclear fission, I don't know. I'm not a boffin,
but but it will be there. But in the meantime,
we've got to keep the keep the lights on, keep
the factories going, keep the industry going, and just keep
this country running.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, I mean it's pretty We're pretty good though already.
You've got to say with the amount of hydropower that
that we produce here in New Zealand, I mean that's
right up there in terms of the world.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
Absolutely, we are fift.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Then we've got our geo thermal energy generation as well,
so we're doing things pretty good.

Speaker 11 (19:56):
We're doing things outstanding. They will and you throw that
into the mix, and that's something you know, we're very
We're down here at North Otago, we've got the hydra
lakes and the Hydra Canal. It's just a narrow way.
But but the irony of that on the flip side
is that you try to dig another you try to
build another dam, put in another hydro power now, and

(20:17):
the very people who were lauding our clean green hydro
power will do everything in their power to stop it.
Has happened with dam projects in the North Island and
the Southland north West coastam.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
I was just thinking, now someone will be able to
tell me on e one hundred and eighty, teen eighty
or nineteen ninety, what are the rivers that would be
potential damning rivers to put another hydro electric power plant on.
I wonder which ones are considered considered Well, the.

Speaker 11 (20:50):
White Techi is one which has already been dammed in
a number of places, you know, up on the Ohal
to our projects and right up through there and back again.
In the early two thousands, there was a project deck
Worth Canal system that we're going to I can't remember
how many dams it was going to be. It was

(21:11):
going to divert a portion of the river and then
reintroduced that feared downstream having gone through. I think it
was five or six five or six different hydro power dams.
On the way back.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
There was another one as well, I think Andrew on
the West coast you might know more about it than
I do, but Griffin Creek, and I believe it was
held up in the environment caught by the Federation of
Mountain Clubs. But that was effectively, you know, quite a
powerful river and creek that they wanted to utilize. It
doesn't get used by too many people apart from kenyoneers,
you know, people who want to hike through there, So

(21:46):
that was another potential that I think has been shut
down there.

Speaker 11 (21:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. And look, you know, I mean
I'm an old tramper and I was like, oh the
climber as well. So you know, I'm well aware of
the value of our of our scenic resource and their
natural resource. But if anybody in this world can do it,
can do it cleanly, its us.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, thanks so much for you coll Andrew. I appreciate it.
We did originally have coal near Huntley when it was
owned by the State Coal Corp Field Court, but now
that it's been sold to a private enterprise, the imported
coal is decidedly cheaper. So is that the case that
it's just cheaper to import coal from Indonesia than it
is to pull it out of the ground here in
New Zealand. I mean that you know, obviously the coal

(22:31):
that we are pulling out of the ground now is
the wrong kind of coal, a lot of them, because
we're not importing all the coal to the Hunting Power station,
aren't we. No, No, some of it's coming out of
the ground. But that would be a terrible state of
affairs if it's cheaper to pull it out of the
ground in Indonesia and ship it and truck it.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Absolutely. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to coll love to hear your thoughts on this,
and coming up very shortly, we are going to have
a chat to Patrick Phelps. He's a manager of minerals
New Zealand based on the West Coast, also a counselor.
He knows a lot about coal, so we've got some
questions we're going to put to him. It is twenty
eight to.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
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Speaker 3 (24:22):
Thank you very much, Scarlett. Now we are talking about
the use of New Zealand coal to keep our electricity
network stable. Joining us now is Patrick Phelps. He is
someone who knows a fair bit about coal. He's the
manager of Mineral's West Coast, a group representing the mining
industry on the West Coast, and he joins us now. Patrick,
Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Good afternoon to you all. Patrick. How shaky is agred?
Why do we need to have this huge coal stockpile
in Huntley?

Speaker 14 (24:50):
Well, as a lot of people take a point of
national pride, and you alluded to it before, we've got
quite a substantial hydro fleet around the country. We've got Jeffermore,
we've got wind. But even over the last ten years,
as we've become ever more renewable, and looking at the
figures for the previous day generated anywhere between eighty to

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eighty eight percent of our electricity from renewables, there's a
balance there of anywhere between ten and twenty percent that's
not available from renewables, and you've got to fill that gap.
Just as each of us needs one percent of the
oxygen that we breathe, we need every percentage of electricity
that we generate and use and when that's not renewables,
it has to be some combination of natural gas and coal.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
And why Indonesian coal do we not dig this kind
of coal up in New Zealand?

Speaker 5 (25:37):
Hello?

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Hello, can you hear me? Are you there?

Speaker 3 (25:41):
We've just lost connection there, so hopefully Patrick, if you
hear us, we're just going to come back to you
very shortly. Andrew's just going to sort that out. We
might have to get Patrick on the phone there. Yeah,
have you got us there? Patrick? No, what we're going
to do, We're going to take it yep. We're going
to take a quick break and we're going to come
back with Patrick on the phone because we've got plenty
more questions for you. If you're still listening, Patrick, it

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is twenty two past one.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Back in a month, the issues that affect you and
a bit of fun along the way. Madd Heath and
Taylor Adams Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
They'd be very good afternoon. Hopefully we've sort of the
phones out and back with us as Patrick Phelps. He
is the manager of Mineral's West Coast Patrick, we've got you.

Speaker 14 (26:20):
There, Yeah, good afternoon. Sorry I lost you there.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
Before.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there. Apologies, it could
have been our fault. We don't know. But so I
think I was asking you the question, if we go back,
why Indonesian col do we not dig this kind of
coal up in New Zealand.

Speaker 14 (26:36):
Yeah, there's this is a question I get a lot,
So I guess first things first is to just get
some sense of scale. New Zealand's coal industry as it
is today produces anywhere between two and three million tons
of coal per year. You know, at the highest I
think New Zealand' production has ever been. We might have
produced about five million tons a year back when there

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was more abundant, low cost coal and ydo as well
as some other factors. So if you sort of work
off that figure of anywhere between two to three million
now and our peak production never having been five million
tons a year, Indonesia exports, not produces, exports more than
five hundred million tons of coal internationally every single year.

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And that's formal coal for use in electricity generation or
possibly direct heat in some boilers. But you know, half
a billion tons of coal each year. And so that's
one bit of the context. Another bit of context is
that in New Zealand, the demand for that coal is largely,

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not exclusively, but largely in the electricity sector, where some
years Genesis Energy may find that there's enough demand to
justify burning two to three hundred thousand tons of coal
a year. Other years, if the lake levels are low,
or potentially gas levels gas productions low, it might burn
more than a million tons of years the coal a year.
So that volatility is quite substantial for a New Zealand

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industry that already had a lot of customers. And you know,
some of the coal that we produce isn't new for
generating electricity. It's used for making steel, and so it's
exported to steel producers, and so that volatility is a
big factor. And then you just have to come to
the conclusion that well, as far as Genesis is concerned,
for the cost that they're willing to pay and the
price that produces out of Indonesia can supply it, it's

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clearly just quite competitive for them to get it off.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Shot, right, And you mentioned natural gas there, how does
that factor into this whole unstability in the power system
in New Zealand.

Speaker 14 (28:37):
Yeah, So of the two fossil fuels that we've got
and more ways than one. Natural gas has generally been preferable,
in part because people like to say less emissions intensive,
it's a transition fuel or whatever. It certainly seems to
be more palatable for some people than what coal does.
But if you go back to sort of twenty seventeen,
twenty eighteen, New Zealand was producing close to two hundred

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head dules of gas each, yeah, somewhere about one hundred
and eighty two, one hundred and ninety. Now as of
this year, we're down to producing one hundred and six
peda duels. Now, a petatile is just a unit of energy,
It works out to about twenty eight liters of petrol.
But if you just accept the fact that our gas
production has pretty much halved over the last seven years
and over the next five years, we're going to be

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down to about sixty six pedidule. So our gas production
is down and on a tradictory to continue falling. And
so if you've got a need for fossil fuels to
firm up the grid, coal is the most logical choice.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
So as that as that gas production decreases, we're going
to have an increase in coal importing.

Speaker 14 (29:42):
That would be my guess. Yes, I mean there has
been talk of liquified natural gas imports into New Zealand.
How cost effective or likely that is, I'm not sure.
But in the meantime, I mean, coals are pretty simple fuel.
You can use it and abuse it to your hearts. Contend,
you can cut it around on a truck, you can
leave it in the rain. It's you know, you don't
have to keep it in bottles like gas. It's not

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like electricity that has to run down lines. So yeah,
it's a solid, transportable fuel. It's easy to store, just
in a large pile of up to six hundred thousand tons. Obviously,
as so as these electricity companies are concerned.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
So are there policy hurdles that have been put in
the way of coal producers and mining companies or is
it more the facts that the market value that they
can get from opening up a new coal mine just
asn't what it used to be.

Speaker 14 (30:27):
I would say it's definitely a bit of both. I mean,
I heard one of your callers say earlier. Once in
the good old days, all of these coal mines were
owned and operated by the state up to a point
where solid energy went broke n to the government's management
and then had to be sold off for you know,
in its various parts. And so there were coal mines
running in the White Kettow like Hunt the Underground and
the likes, And as far as I can recall, when

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solid energy was broken up into parts and sold off,
there were about three or four coal mining companies that
bought what were going concerns, and then there were other
so called assets that were not taken on because presumably
they weren't viable, and I imagine that was the case
for Hunt the Underground. But yeah, this I mean, it's
hard to do anything in this country, as anyone who

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ever tries to do anything knows, whether that's building a house,
whether that's trying to set up a hydro scheme on
the west coast of the South Island, and mining is
no exception. But I think all of those renewables are
under the same under the same constraints. You know, there
was an attempt to sol the farm down in the
mckensey country a year or two ago, and that got
stuck in the consenting process as well. But yeah, certainly

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there are a lot of regulatory hurdles to more coal production.
In this country than otherwise. Otherwise might be the case
because you know, a boggy paddock with a few tussocks
growing and it can be conto it to wetland and
so that can make it quite difficult if you want
to get up to get the coal that's underneath it.
So yeah, I'd say that there's a whole heap of
different factors at play, but coal production in this country

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could be higher than otherwise.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
As we're talking to Patrick Felts, Minerals West Coast Manager,
what do you say to people like the lady that
we've all just heard on the news was saying every
ton of coal that has burnt leads to the crazy
weather and events like the Cannaburary wildfires that we're experiencing.

Speaker 14 (32:14):
Yeah, I mean every unit of fossil into the atmosphere.
You know, if we're measured in tons of carbon dioxide
and contributes to climate change cold no exception. Nor are
our diesel and petrol, you know, petrol that we use
for transport, more of the jet engines that bring international
travelers here. I mean, I think it's still upwards of

(32:36):
eighty or ninety percent of all of the world's energy
comes from fossil fuel, the balance coming from renewables and nuclear.
So yeah, coal makes a contribution. But what I would
say to that as well is that in New Zealand,
of all of our fossil fuels, you know, oil, transport,
gas and coal, because we don't use as much of
that as we use of other fuels, it's the minority

(32:56):
of our carbon dioxide emissions. But ultimately Genesis is using coal.
But they have revenue, they have got the ability to
borrow money. If they thought the best bet was to
just go build a Holy p solar farms or go
and build the Hoholelyap of wind farms, that's what they'd
be doing. There's clearly a demand in the market to
keep a fossil fuel plant going in our electricity generation portfolio.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
So what would you like to see happen, you know,
in the short, medium and long term in terms of
coal usage and New Zealand and just power generation in
New Zealand in general, I'd.

Speaker 14 (33:33):
Get rid of all of the other energy sources and
just use coal for everything. Go back to steam train steam.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
What a time.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Growing up in Toned and I do miss the smell
of coal that you still when I was walking back
from Footy Pregoe.

Speaker 14 (33:48):
No, I was just going to say that the I
think in the name, we've got to make it easy
to do a lot of things in New Zealand, including
electricity generation I still have on the West coast has
boondom mazed here and in my lifetime I've seen two
attempts at reasonably large hydro projects that would have you know,
they wouldn't have gone rid of all fossil fuels, but
they would have shifted the needle in terms of our supply.
I've both got held up in that process, and the

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same is true for pretty much every other renewable asset
that you could attempt to build. So I think making
it easy to do everything is quite important. I think
repealing the oil and Gas band was I think quite
a good move because it gives us more options. But
if there's more gas out there, it's going to take
a while to be found and come online. In the meantime,

(34:30):
I think making it easy to produce coal in this country,
but still just being willing to live with the fact that,
just like anything else, we can't produce enough of or
produce cheaply enough. In New Zealand, we're probably going to
have to live with important. Bear in mind, we export
goods all over the world. We import things.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
We don't need.

Speaker 14 (34:45):
We live in a we live in a global economy,
and I think that that's a good thing. We've actually,
funnily enough got a trade surplus with Indonesia because they
can send a lot of our meat and dairy products
which are produced with coal in a slightly conflated way.
And I do think it's some stage in New Zealand. Look,
maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but I do think
it's some stage being open minded to some form of

(35:06):
nuclear generation in New Zealand and something that I think
people should consider because after hydro, it's the world's largest
source of lower mission's energy.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
All right, so let's get some nuclear power going. Let's
find a riveted van basically yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 14 (35:18):
Yeah, and just steam trains and steamship. So I thank
if you didn't last.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Love, Patrick, really good to catch up. Go well and
we'll talk again.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
So bring back the traction engines on our farms.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
That is Patrick Phelps, the Manager of Minerals West Coast.
It is ten to.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Two, Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons NEWSTALKSB News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
It is eight to two and we have been talking
about coal use in New Zealand. There's six hundred thousand
tons imported into Huntley to make sure that electricity network
remains stable over winter. What do you say our one
hundred eighty ten eighty so number to call some good
techs coming through this one? Guys? What about geo thermal energy?
The lemonox plants is a prime example in topoor harnessing.

(36:07):
This just needs the spark smarts from Harry and GFIM
was a big part of it.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
I think, Yeah, I think GEOFIM was a big part
of our whole operation, isn't it eighteen fifteen to eighteen percent?
I believe that's a big margin. Yeah, A bit of
it's coming through. Craig, welcome to the shape often.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
How the game very well?

Speaker 15 (36:25):
Okay, Hey, I've done a bit of work hardly over
the years with doing computit netwits and stuff. I find
it's quite funny how you've got Huntley worst and Huntly
East mine sort of within six or k's from the
power station and we used to years ago watch big
trains coming from near going across the bridge bringing colon.
But the other thing I find people tend to forget
sometimes is next to the Hunting power station is actually

(36:46):
a massive guests turbone plane, which I was a part
of commissioning back probably two thousand and eight, two thousand
and nine. It's a massive plant. They're going to build
another one next to it. They head all the engineers
come from Japan or Mistubishi engineers came across and set
it up and we're involved with that. But that's a
massive plant. But IM guessing with the guests shortage, they're
not they wouldn't be running that either. But so County's
not only coal, is also a massive guest tur right.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
That is interesting and I imagine that is the case
that with the ban on on guess exploration, that's obviously
had an impact.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (37:17):
Well, they also did install a whole of cooling towers
what many years ago to the power station because during summer,
the water coming out of the power station it was
too hot to go into the river, and I always thought,
what do they do? What they did down in Telpo
and used the farm and the next to it, and
mess grew a whole lot of MESSI of prawn farms.
You know, you use the hot water and great prawns,
and you got more income for the local community to go.
And yeah, I don't know, it was a stupid idea,

(37:37):
I thought, but you might usual those of this, you know,
the hot water for making grown prawns, I.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Reckon, Yeah, who doesn't like prawns exactly? I don't know
they grew in the hot water. I mean that was
just you know, that's a weird interesting.

Speaker 15 (37:51):
To down too. Yeah, there's providence they use the GMT.
Water's out heat it up. But yeah, I thought if
you brought it in the wayhead and there's probably you've
got distributors, you've got staff, you got all kinds of people.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
And that's the kind of thinking this country needs, Graig.
If you've got hot water grow rawns.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
Exactly, that's the one.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Yeah, that's deep, mate, Thank you very much. Great cool.
A couple of texts to wrap this up, guys. Contentious
it may be. But if tay Point was closed down
and the workers, many of which were only part time,
were placed on the doll Although many would find alternative employment,
the electricity then fed to the national grid, we would
need no extra generation. Is t y Smelter was an

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enormous use of electricity, Plus its owned by an Australian
company and profits go offshore from Pear.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
It's incredibly hard to ship that electricity out of there.
The infrastructure you have to build around that. It's quite
complicated because I've always thought that just shove it back
in the grid. Yeah, but it doesn't that easy. Unfortunate
for some reason, this Texas is I think most agree
that burning Indonesian coal isn't great, but no one wants
to be cold either, do they. We need a good
economy and that involves a lot of cheap energy. A

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bad economy means more hardships for the poor, the rich
and poor alike. So what can we do? Hydro is great,
but no one wants to damn another river, so no
one is even and no one is even talking about nuclear,
and solar and wind are a long way from filling
the gap. So Indonesian cole it is that's our future
for now. Sucks, but we haven't been smart enough to
sort anything out, So suck it up.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Kiwis what a great dex I think that sums it
up very nicely. Thank you very much, and thank you
to everyone who called in. Techs really enjoyed that discussion.
But that is we will leave it because after two
o'clock we want to have a chat about sick notes.
The union, your two union says, get rid of them
because it's too arduous for people to go down to
the doctor to get a sick note. But what do

(39:43):
you say, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Is it insulting being us to produce a sick note?
And if you don't trust someone as an employee to
be truthful about being sick, why are you employing them?
Get rid of them?

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. This is going to
be a great chat. Use and sport and weather is
coming up very shortly. You're listening to Matt and Tyler.
Hope you having a great afternoon. We will see you
after the.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
News talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor
Adams Afternoons News Dogs.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
It'd be good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the
program six past to hope you have been a great
Tuesday afternoon. So let's have a chat about sick notes.
Employers can legally ask you for a medical certificate if
you need to take sick leave. We do know that,
but even for one day. A two Union national secretary
Rachel Macintosh says, while it was legal for employers to

(40:45):
ask for a sick note, they urged employers to waive
the requirement because, according to them, it causes hardship to
workers who either can't get to a GP appointment or
have to pay a high consultation.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
You should take a sick day for that z it
on your nose, mate.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
I'd like to do I need a medical certificate. I
might have to. I don't know a GP will look
at me.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Could you have a pimple on your nose so bad
that you have to take a day off work? Because
you must be close with that.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
The bosses are listening. Bosses, you want to come in
and just check out the zet and see if I
need a day off.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Well, Produce Andrews brought me a plaster so you can
cover that up so I don't have to look at it.
But anyway, I've derailed all I can think of. It's
kind of like then Austin Powers the Moley Mole mole
mole situation. I'm trying to concentrate on the show, but
that massive volcano on your nose is distracting me.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
It's a beauty if everyone says, just just pop it.
I tried that and it's made it worse.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, I mean it's disgusting. The whole thing you need,
you need, you don't need it. I'll write you a
sick note if you go home and start tending to
that thing.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Mate. This is what happens when you become an adult.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Well, when you're come an adult, you're supposed to stop having zets.
What are you thirty eight?

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Well, I'll blame it anyway. Anyway, I'm not going to
blame it on anybody.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
So my thing with these sick note things, if you
have to ask for a sick note to prove a
work or a sick how can you trust your employees?
So you're basically saying, when you ask for a sick
note from an employee, I think you're a liar and
that you're trying to scam me. That's basically what you're saying.
So if you're an employee E and you're being asked
for a sick note, then wouldn't you feel I've never

(42:17):
been asked for a sick note. I'd be insulted. I'd
say I told you I'm sick. I'm not lying to you.
You want you want me to go to a to
get a note? To say, I'm not lying to you.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
If you're too sick to come into work, you're too
sick to get down to the GP, really, because most
people it should be.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, and what's what's the other part of that is that?
I mean, if it was that we need you to
go to see a doctor so you can get the
treatment so you get back to work quicker potentially. But
I don't think that's what it is. I think you're
asking for a sick note because you think that they're
lying to you. And so from both sides, A from
the employer's side, why are you employing someone that's a liar,

(42:53):
Because you every employer employee has to be trusted in
some aspect of their job. And if you're an employee e,
then what does it say from your boss if he's
he or she's telling you you're a liar and telling
you to go and get a sick note.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
So with that in minds fun enough, you're actually with
the union here get rid of the medical certificates.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Why is that funnily enough?

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Well, because it's a different argument from you. I mean
the medical The union says that it costs too much
to go get a medical certificate. You're saying there's no
need for it. Either you trust your worker or you
don't trust your worker.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
The test saying stop hassling has nose. Matt, you're a bully.
Well you don't have to look at the giant growth
on his nose.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
I mean, it's just a scratch, Matt, It's just a scratch.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah. So what do you think about this? Sick notes?
I mean, as you. You're the same as me, aren't you. Tyler.
You've never been asked for a sick note from.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Never, and I probably would be insulted. It was one day.
But here's the here's the kicker.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
If our boss Will, if I had been away from
doing the show for three days and our boss Will said, okay,
provide a sick note, I'd like I'd take that quite.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Personally for three days. See, I was going to say
if I'm sick for let's say five days, and Will
came and said, we need you to go down to
your GP and get a sick note. I'll probably say
fair after five days, But maybe that says more about
me as an employee rather than the system we've got
at the moment.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Well, this textas says on nineteen nine two, New Zealan
employers can legally request a medical certificate certificate for sick
leave even a single day. However, if the sick leave
is for less than three consecutive days, the employer is
generally responsible for the cost of attaining the certificate. If
the absence is three or more days, the employee typically
covers the cost employer pays, so no financial hardship.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Well, that completely destroys their union's argument. I'll wait one
hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you were a boss,
how often would you ask an employee for a medical
certificate a note from the doctor to say I cannot
come into work because I am too sick. I would
assume that there'd be many many employees out there that
would never ask for a medical certificate.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah, so this text says, guys regarding sick notes, if
you're dealing with five hundred and sixty staff like my
plant is, you don't have time to know everyone individually,
so you have to treat them all the same. Well,
that's an interesting point. Yeah, So so you don't have
a relationship, so it's not personal to say I think
they're lying. We just have this one blanket rule that
if you're away, then you provide a sick note.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Yeah, I mean it's an interesting point. I eight one
hundred eighty ten eighty love to hear from you. And
if you're a worker, do you feel a bit insulted
when your boss has asked you for a medical certificate?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah? And let's say there's five people in your workplace
and you know all of them, all your employees. If
you're asking them for a sick note, aren't you just
saying that you don't trust them?

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Yeah. Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Can you get thoughts on this? It
is eleven past two.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.

Speaker 8 (45:52):
Said, be.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Afternoon, It is a quarter past two, and we're talking
about sick notes. The union wants to get rid of
them altogether. Their argument is that it is a cost
on the employee, but as a boss, what do you say,
do you ever ask your employees for a medical certificate?

Speaker 2 (46:07):
I'm getting a bit of pushback here on my opinion
that asking for a sick note. I'd be offended if
my boss asked me for a sick note, because I'm
a very honest person. But also that if you think
your employees a liar to the point you have to
ask for a sick note, why you employing them? This
Texas says, I have a small team of ten and

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require all staff to have a sick note after three
days to avoid views of discrimination if I only ask
certain staff. In addition for the staff's own health, if
they are still unwell after three days, we want to
make sure they are okay and get the help they need.
That's a good point. If you have been sick for
three days, maybe you need to go to the doctor.
But this person says, guys, if I call my GP today,

(46:48):
the earliest point would be in two weeks time. What
do I do in that case? By the time he
saw me, I would be well again. Yeah. I mean
I had to book a doctor for one of my kids,
and I went to the medical center and it was
literally two and a half weeks before I could get
an appointment with their doctor. Yeah, so what are you
doing to these situations?

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Exactly? It means the medical certificate is kind of nonsense.
I went one hundred and eighty.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
T you can do things such as video call, video
calls with the doctor and audio calls with the doctor.
You can that is that good enough for you or employee?

Speaker 3 (47:19):
You'd think so? Yeah, and look to that Texter who
says it's about looking after staff. Absolutely get that argument.
But again, I've never been asked for a medical medical certificate.
If I was, I would certainly provide my boss with one.
But like you're say, Matt, I just feel that relationship
between boss and employee that straight away would say to me,

(47:41):
the boss thinks I'm taking the mick here. Yeah, the
boss doesn't think I'm sick. The boss thinks simon. And
I can imagine that's the kind of thing that would
make me really angry.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
And I was sick. So I'm at home feeling terrible
and bad, and the boss is you talk to the
boss on the phone. And I know it's different if
you've got five hundred employees, but if you've got a
relationship with your boss, you call them up and you say, hey, mate,
I'm sick, and they say, great, get a sick note.
I'm going to go, buddy, I'm out. I quit. Hey, guys,

(48:09):
listen to you while I am off sick today. The
issue with getting a sick note as there's such a
doctor shortage by the time you get an appointment, you
won't be sick anymore, and then taking up a spot
for someone who really needs to see the doctor. Cheers
on your funny chat. Oh, thank you very much, thanks
for your text. I mean that's the other element, right
as I think. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but
most keyways, I think when they get KROC, they want

(48:31):
to get back to work as soon as possible, right,
most of us want to do that. So the idea
of having to do go down to the GP and
request a medical sort of certificate, most of us are thinking,
I'm going to be right in twenty four hours, I'm
going to kick this thing and get back to work.
So all this running around and paying sixty bucks for
a medical certificate, I don't need to do it. Lisa,
Welcome to the show. You get asked by your employee

(48:53):
for medical for a medical certificate is that true? Is
that correct?

Speaker 16 (48:56):
So that is correct? Yes, So every time I'm sick,
I get an email, you know, just making sure that
I'm looking after myself. And that's fine, but anything anything
more than three days I have to go and get

(49:16):
a medical certificate. But it's I mean, I work for
a large New Zealand organization and there's thousands of us,
and I feel as though it's more they ask for
it to deter us from going sick.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Right, That's how I feel.

Speaker 16 (49:35):
That's how it makes me feel.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Do you think that that email you get if you
work for a large organization is in some ways just automatic,
automatically checking on you and then automatically see see if
you need it.

Speaker 8 (49:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (49:50):
Yeah, I just feel like they're checking their boxes. They're
making sure they're saying all the right things, you know,
make sure you look after yourself if you need anything,
that type of thing. But you know, I don't feel
like it's genuine. It's just a yeah, it's they don't
really I feel. I mean, the way it makes me
feel that they don't really care. They just want to

(50:11):
make sure that I am legitimately sick and they want
to make sure that I'm going to get back to.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Work, Lisa, would you, Lisa, would you ever take the pass?
Would you ever take a sick day when you're not sick?

Speaker 14 (50:25):
No?

Speaker 16 (50:25):
I mean, look, there are days when you're just not
feeling you know, it could be a mental health day
off type thing.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
But no, no, no, no, But I don't.

Speaker 16 (50:37):
I genuinely don't because I genuinely think about the people
that have to replace me if I can't go to work.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Yeah, you know what I mean?

Speaker 16 (50:46):
Because Okay, I'm a flight attendant, so it'll tell you
who I work for. But and so if I call
him sick, I feel sorry for the poor bugger that
has to take over my my flight.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
If your flight attendants aren't you aren't you on? Because
I know a couple of flight attendants and you know,
if we're going out for a drink, they're like, I
have to wait to find out that I'm not in
line to cover for someone if they don't come through,
If you know what I mean. That is that how
it works? Or are they just not wanting to drink
with me?

Speaker 16 (51:19):
It could be that, but yeah, yeah, I mean, we
have we have blocks of you know, if we're if
we are on standby, we're on stand by blocks.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
It could be yeah, yeah, yeah, so you.

Speaker 16 (51:32):
Could be on standby from two in the morning to
two in the afternoon, so after two in the afternoon
they're good to go.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
I mean listening to what you're saying, Lisa, and to me,
I think yet the nail on the head. It sometimes
just feels a bit patronizing when I hear people ask
for medical certificates. It's like when you're at school and
you've got to get a note from your parents. That's
kind of what it feels like. It's like being treated
as a child when you're an adult. You are crook,
you're not making it up. Just treat me as an adult.

(52:01):
But I understand for a big company having automated just
they tick that off on the old HR.

Speaker 16 (52:08):
Yeah, I feel and I just I kind of feel like, look,
I have sick days for a reason, and and the
one titled to those sick days, and should I have
to provide a medical certificate? Maybe perhaps after I've run
out of my sick days, But you know, I mean,
we're also in the type of job where we get

(52:30):
sick all the time. You know, we're in out of
the country.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Basically a little Petri dish of people breathing.

Speaker 16 (52:36):
Literally in a Petrie dish, you know, And so you're
in and out of different time.

Speaker 15 (52:42):
Zones, different.

Speaker 16 (52:44):
With us, you know, with our temperature, so you know,
we're more susceptible to getting sick.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
And get a chance of your circuits because of your
job that you are.

Speaker 16 (52:55):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
When you have when you say, and I mentioned being
a in the job that you are, you know, you
have to be on and you have to deal with
a lot of people. And also there's a safety element
to what you're doing as well, so so you and
there's also the other part of you not contributing to
the Petri dish of making everyone else on the plane sick.

(53:18):
So I imagine your threshold for a day off would
be slightly different than say mine, when I just have
to come in here and talk to Mike and steer
at a giant z that on the other side of
the studio, you know, I imagine, you know, there's actually
lives at stake with your job potentially, I.

Speaker 16 (53:34):
Mean, there's a responsibility and if you are sick and
you take the day off because you don't want to spread.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
Your gyms around, you know, kind of it.

Speaker 16 (53:44):
Is quite patronizing to be asked for it when you're
trying to do the right thing.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
And also you would have to be trusted in so
many ways to do your job by your employee employer.
They're asking you to do things. They have to trust
that you don't just whip the door open in the
middle of you know, there's a lot of things that
you could do.

Speaker 16 (54:02):
Yeah, and yeah, there's I mean, look, and there's a
bigger picture to it. I mean, if there was, if
there was a pattern of sickness, I can I can
understand that. But I'm that sort of person. I probably
won't take a sick day.

Speaker 8 (54:15):
You know.

Speaker 16 (54:15):
It might be every bird or fourth month out of
the year that I'll take a sick you know. Or
and if i'm really just you know, I've caught something
and I'm out for a good week or two.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
But other than that, Yeah, if you took a mental
health day, Lisa, would you say that it was a
mental health day?

Speaker 16 (54:34):
No?

Speaker 2 (54:36):
No, So you're not honest and trustworthy.

Speaker 16 (54:42):
No, because because it's the way they that I am managed.
If I had a manager that said, hey, look, you know,
but I don't and and and we and I feel
as I get penalized that.

Speaker 15 (54:58):
You know, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Don't there's anything wrong with that.

Speaker 5 (55:02):
I don't know both ways, you know what I mean, day.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
From there every now and again. But you know, I
never had to use that.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
But you need a skins more than that.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Yeah, my nose explodes. But yeah, I can see because
there's a taboo that if you are not if whatever's
going on and you need a mental health day to
get back to zen and get back to some normality,
you're not going to be of any use to your
place of work. But the truth of the matter is
that it is very difficult to say to a lot
of bosses, actually, my my, I'm not in a good

(55:32):
head space at the moment. So it's far easier to
just say I've got the flu, I'm sick, And.

Speaker 16 (55:38):
To be fair, like, you know, I don't actually want
to share that with them. I mean, I don't have
to share with them what it is.

Speaker 15 (55:45):
But even to.

Speaker 16 (55:46):
Say I'm having a mental health day, I just it's
just something. Well, my particular person that manages me, I
don't feel comfortable enough to tell that person because of
the way just their management style.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
It just don't Yeah, you know, that's part of the
trust thing as well as if you're sick, you're sick
for whatever reason, even even it's feeling but mentally sick.
I don't think you need to really tell people the
exact details. You know, you don't need to ring up
and go I've got it coming out of both ends
on day one. You know that's kind of private information.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
If you share that, But no one's going to be
asking for a medical certificate that to say, Okay, feel better.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Hey, thank you so much for you call Lisa.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Thanks guys, thank you. Yeah, what a great call. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
I you've recently been asked for a medical certificate? Does
it make you feel a bit like a child? You
feel a bit patronized when you were asked for that?
And if you're an employer, how often do you ask
your employees for that medical stificate?

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Are you obsensibly saying I don't believe you by asking
for a medical certificate?

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Twenty five past two.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Matt Heathan Tayler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talks.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
EDB, News Talks EDB having a great chat about sick
notes and plenty of texts coming through on nine two ninety.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Two afternoons It and Co. It was basically spread by
people on airplanes, mainly. It took one to start Andy, Yeah,
z it and Co. That's good name for the show.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
We'll run that up the flag both to see what
the bosses say.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Hey, guys, I pulled a dish on a sickie when
I was an apprentice. My boss then asked me for
a medical stiff for it, because I'm guessing he knew.
I just went to the doctor, told him I ate
a bad head ham sandwich and have had bad guts since.
He wrote me a note to my boss, and instead
of having one day off, I had three. Don't worry,
I'm a proper adult now, Cheers Chris. I mean that's

(57:41):
the thing as well. I mean you can go to
a doctor and describe symptoms and that what are the
doctor going to say, you don't have a cold.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Yeah. I don't think there's ever been an occasion where
a GP is said no, I'm not going to give
you a sick note. Of course they would. It doesn't
really matter what you say.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Yeah, absolutely so. Is it just the pain in the
ass of going.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Yeah, you have to go along, and if it's only
for one day that you've got off, then it does
actually cost you, whatever it is sixty bucks to go
see that, GP.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Hannah, your thoughts on sick days and sick notes and.

Speaker 17 (58:11):
Such, so, no thoughts on any of that. What I
wanted to share was that I'm pretty sure the way
the law is written is that your employer has to
pay for the sick note if they're asking for it
if it's been less than three days.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Yeah, right, I got that wrong way.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Sorry, Yeah, so you discribed what did you say before?

Speaker 3 (58:29):
What I said wrongly that if you're only sick for
a day and the employer asks you for a medical certificate,
that you pay. But it's the other way around, Hannah,
that they will pay if they ask you for one day.
If it's longer than three days, then potentially the employee pays.

Speaker 8 (58:44):
Potentially.

Speaker 17 (58:45):
I just know that, I think, and I think if
the employee were to say, look, i'd love to, but
I can't afford the sixty bucks right now, that if
the employer would afforce the issue, they would need to
stump up the cash for you to do that. GP.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Visit Hannah, are you an employee er or employee.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
I'm actually both no Ah, good person to check to
you then.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
And that and that and that you're in a management role.

Speaker 17 (59:06):
I mean, what was the no I employ people myself
and then I'm also an employee of a company.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Ah okay, right, So you're in a unique position to
sit on both sides of this.

Speaker 9 (59:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Absolutely, And I think would you ask for a when
you ask for a doctor certificate? Have you asked for
doctor stificate?

Speaker 17 (59:23):
I haven't had to. I think if you've got someone
that's got a pattern of being sick and you've got
questions about whether or not the being truthful, that's a
different conversation that you need to have. I think if
you're getting to the point where you have to force
someone to get a doctor to confirm, it's really easy
to get a doctor to confirm and be there's probably
something more going on or underlying.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
And what about the reverse situation? Have you have you
been asked?

Speaker 5 (59:51):
So?

Speaker 17 (59:52):
I think if I was away, I have provided a
medical certificate before, but it was because I was going
to I knew I was going to be away for
more than three days, and I wanted them to be
able to plan, so I organized that as soon as
I knew I was going to be off for a
little while. It was a few years ago now, and
they would they were good about I think.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yeah, but what did the part of you just go?
I've said I'm sick, so I just why don't you
believe me? What do I need to go to It's
like being a kid having to go to an adult
to prove that you're telling the truth.

Speaker 10 (01:00:22):
I think a.

Speaker 17 (01:00:23):
Fairness, don't like I know that that's what the law
says that after three days you're supposed to provide a certificate.
And Amarle followers.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
On your Hannah. Yeah, and to Hannah's point, thank you
very much for you phone call. Hannah, great to chat.
But to your point, it's about care, right, It is
about if you've got an employer that's coming from a
place of care and they front up the money. That's
very different to what maybe a lot of people deal with.
Is this. It's almost an accusation that are you really sick?
And I don't believe you should provide a medical certificate?

(01:00:56):
Oh she's gone, she's gone, enough of me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
It's just a great question. It's such a good question.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
You too, right, Oh a hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Now I get eyezoned out in that question as well.
I'm sure he asked.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Was a great question. I love to hear your thoughts
about medical certificates those full lines. If you can't get through,
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Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Thank you very much, Gallut. We're talking about sick notes.
Does asking for a sick note mean that you do
not entrust your employee? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
To call unintended consequences of increasing sickness days from five
to ten, says the text. I've had employees who tap
the entire sick days every year and not a day more.
That's suspicious. That is suspicious because you know it's you're
not owed them. Other than and have had three days
and fifteen years. Others haven't had three days and fifteen years,

(01:03:12):
never asked for a note, really had to lose bad staff,
which then costs everybody more unintended consequences with performance punishment
for those picking up the slack.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Yeah, anyone that uses their full allocation of sick days. Yeah,
definitely asked for a medical certificate.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
If let's say three years in a row, someone uses
exactly their amount. Yeah, either they're coming to school to school,
either they're coming to school with an illness and they're
sick more than than ten days a year, yeah, or
they're taking the piss taking the piss.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
One hundred eighty ten eighties a number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
But you've got a few staff.

Speaker 18 (01:03:54):
Yeah, mine, I've got about sixty. And you tend to
get a feeling for those who are basing the sick
days and those who are reliable. Are a couple of
lads who both took a day off on the same day.
Unfortunately for them, they were dumb enough to upload their
golf scores onto the golfing website, so we knew what
they'd actually been doing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Smart man, You did you go to the golfing site
because you were suspicious or is.

Speaker 18 (01:04:21):
That just one of my other boys who's a keen
golfer noticed it and shaded it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Yeah, And there's a lot of people that will post
pictures of them at the beach on their Facebook pages
as wells.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
And what did the boys say when you when you
hit them up and said nice day on the links fellas?

Speaker 18 (01:04:41):
Yeah, they were very very contrived, and uh, they're working
hard to win my trust back, so I'll give them
that much.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
So speaking of trust, when you ask for a sick note,
I mean, do you ask for sick notes and a
medical certificate? How's that received?

Speaker 18 (01:05:00):
They take it on board. Athough most of the time
we pay for it anyway, because if it's longer than
three days, we fund it the doctors if they can
into one. But honestly, I really only do it when
it's guys I know who are taken the puss and
you know who it was. You see the patterns.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Yeah, So a lot of people saying here that whenever
they go to the doctor, the doctor will just give
them a sick note, you know.

Speaker 18 (01:05:26):
Yeah, you can find your way, so anyone can get
a sick note for whatever. You just make it up
and the doctor a good one. So it's it's really
creating a nuisance factor. Yeah, you're seeing a missions to the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Guys, you know, is it a way of saying, but
it's kind of a way of saying I'm questioning whether
you are actually sick without actually directly saying it. You
made I'm sorry. After three days you have to get
a sick note. It's kind of a way of saying
you're not come to work.

Speaker 18 (01:05:50):
Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent, Yeah, one hundred percent, and
start for saying, look, I'm stressed. I actually could do
with the mentor day off to start up. Find about it.
You'll probably give it to me after the good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Yeah. If if one of your employees had a the
side of a small planet, would you think that was
a good enough reason to stand home.

Speaker 18 (01:06:09):
Oh? Mate, it'll be good enough for everyone else.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
That would work well for me, Bert, to be honest,
Thanks for you called Bert instantly. I think Burt's changed
my mind on the medical certificate. It's a great tool
for employers.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Judith, you're sick of the bs from workers.

Speaker 9 (01:06:24):
Oh absolutely, I am, without a doubt. So it got
worse when they increased it from five to ten days,
and all of a sudden, now it's just another ten
days you and you'll leave. So yeah, and it's and

(01:06:47):
they feel they're entitled. I mean, I've worked for companies
on sixty five and I've been an employee for three
quarters of that time. And you know, I was a

(01:07:08):
team I used to get up on a Monday morning
and think, oh God, it don't want to I just
call them stick, you know. And so I've been on
the other side of it and I know what's going on,
and basically you don't. Yeah, I think the whole problem
is the increase of five to ten days.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
You and yet do you notice, just to go back
to your point there about them the Mondays? Do you
notice as an employee that there's a lot of sick
days on Fridays and Mondays because.

Speaker 9 (01:07:44):
We have we have workers that have different different days
And definitely it's not necessarily a Monday. For an example,
they depending on when their weekend falls, their weekend could
be on a Thursday or Friday, and so they'll take

(01:08:08):
a Saturday off. Yeah, so yeah, definitely a yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Well, without giving too much well, you can give as
much detail as you want, Judith, but but what sort
of industry you're in and what sort of age age
brackets we're talking about here on the workers that are taking.

Speaker 9 (01:08:25):
Them service in the industry and the age bracket are
between twenty and thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Yeah, and has it got so you mentioned it got
worse since they increased the sick days, but was clearly
absolutely yea, but clearly before that they were still utilizing
their their five days per year anywhere.

Speaker 9 (01:08:45):
Yeah, they were, but only five days a year. Now
they're using ten days a year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Do you do you because a lot of people are
texting here saying that that their mothers or parents and
that they have to use their sick days for their
for their children, do you have more leniency on that?

Speaker 9 (01:09:04):
That's what I'm absolutely fine with that I have.

Speaker 12 (01:09:08):
I have.

Speaker 9 (01:09:11):
Children with grandchildren. I have grandchildren and they both they
both work, so they when their kids are sick, they
definitely need to take time off for that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
It is an interesting one, Judith. I mean, instantly I'm
thinking about those without children, But if they're taking the
mick and they're not sick, that's very different. I get it.
You've got to look after your family and if someone
in the family's sick, I understand that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
So what you're saying, Tyler is, as a person that
doesn't have children, you don't want to cover for someone
that's taking a sick day for their kids.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
I think there'd be a feeling out there.

Speaker 9 (01:09:47):
Absolutely No, No, I'm not saying that at all. I
think I think people that go to work and have
to either put their kids in daycare and they can't
get their kids in daycare because they're sick, they need
to take that sickly. And you're entitled to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
But what about the workers who don't have children that
pick up the slack? Judith, you know that. I'm just
saying that because I know the feeling is out there.
Sometimes maybe not resentment is a little bit too strong,
But I know there's a lot of people who feel
that way that hey, just because I don't have kids,
I've got to pick up the slack because their child's crop.

Speaker 9 (01:10:22):
Yeah, but I mean at the end of the day,
when you look at your employment contract, it's it's about
you having a number of six days, and it's not
it's not a given, it's not an entitlement. I mean
your annually in your days and leaves are your sick

(01:10:44):
leave is given to you as as a as a.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Life it's a trust.

Speaker 9 (01:10:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's a freeb I mean I had I
had an accident recently where I was crushed under a
farm vehicle. Jeez, and you know what, Yeah, it was
pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
What kind of farm vehicle was it? Judah?

Speaker 9 (01:11:11):
A cyber side? What a Yamaha rhino? Yeah, yeah, a
cyber side. And my injuries were pretty severe and I
went on acc for two weeks because I just felt
really guilty about taking any more time off. Yeah, you know,

(01:11:34):
and and the guilt's gone. That's the problem that gold
has gone. Everybody thinks that this is their entitlement. Well, actually, sickly,
it was not an entitlement.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Yeah, it's a gift. Yeah, I see what we're saying. Yeah,
I mean it's it's it's it's mercy, it's a it's
a lure to try and help people that really need it.
But if you're always taking it and you think, oh,
that's extra holidays, and that's not great. So how did this?
What happened with the I'm just curious? So were you
driving in it? Old on you?

Speaker 9 (01:12:09):
Yeah? I rolled it?

Speaker 8 (01:12:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Wow?

Speaker 9 (01:12:12):
Yeah, full noise yeah yeah no, no, no, no. I
was storing about three k an hour and my husband
was opening a gate but it caught a log in
the paddock and it just rolled over and my head
got caught I've got almin sorry titanium eye sock it.
Oh and I'm good and it was two and a

(01:12:36):
half years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Okay, well, oh yeah, I'm glad.

Speaker 9 (01:12:39):
You feel thank you to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Yeah, I'm glad you survived that one, Judith, And thank
you so much for for ringing us.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
Yeah, thank you very much. Jud have a great afternoon.
And eighty ten eighty is the number.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
To call this Texas says is it and Matt I
recently had to have two working weeks off. I only
had four days six leave left in my calendar year,
so lost six days pace. Still had to get a
doctor's certificate and fork out for it. A week after
coming back. I checked in every day too. That sucked. Yes,
is done?

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Yeah, absolutely, that's the word for it. It is fourteen
to three.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Beg very surely, mad Heath Taylor Adams with you as
your afternoon rolls on mad Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
They'd be eleven to three.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Peter, sorry, beg your pardon cough, then maybe I'm sick, Peter,
welcome the show. You're an employee.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
Yeah, well, until very recently I was an employer and
an employee and I'm talking about only a matter of
a couple of weeks. And I called because I thought
you have views on requesting its medical certificate with single
days and sickly were a bit simplistic. So I have
a couple of cases that I experienced. So I had

(01:13:53):
a staff member who was always sacked on Fridays on Mondays,
and I found out that that staff member was actually
more likely hangover than sick. So I asked for a
medical certificate. And you know, the last couple of callers
have actually changed probably the tone of the whole conversation
a bit. But asking from medical certificate is really a

(01:14:15):
way of trying to discourage people from calling him CROC
when they're not. And I had another staff member who
used up all their sick leaf, and my organization had
a sickly bank which you could go to with your
manager's support if you used up all your sick leaf,

(01:14:38):
and this staff member I knew was taking the mickey,
so I didn't support this person using the sickly bank.
So the ruling was, no, you'll have to take annual
EVE when you CROC. I always applied to very much
a personal Each staff member was different, so the rules
were different from person to person. Some people think that's unfair,

(01:14:58):
but everyone's different. For instance, I had female employees who
had terrible menstrual cycles, and I fully understood that they
were unable to come to work. I was quite heavy
with that, but they could take a day sickly that
that was no issue.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
When you say that, you know, so each employees different.
If someone is taking sick days and you're and you're suspicious,
and you're asking for a medical certificate, that's got to
be career limiting for them, right. So at the same
time as you're asking for the certificate, you're logging in
your mind that this person is dishonest.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
Yes, yeah, they can not trust really yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Yeah, so they're unlikely to be higher honors.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
Well, they could get them, but there is something wrong
with the stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:15:48):
Men.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
But who is constantly taking sick leave when you know
they're not sick? I mean, you know general, you know,
genuinely when someone is sick. You know, if I thought
someone was genuinely sick, I would touch base with them
just to say that they're okay, because I cared about
my staff. And you know, I mean often when someone's
sick is a build up, so and you know they're
not well, or they come back to work and you

(01:16:11):
know they're not one hundred percent, but they've come back
to work. Yeah. But like some of your previous callers
and said, we would pay if we asked for a
medical certificate, we would pay for their doctor's visit to
get their medical certificates. But I've been asked for medical certificates.
And the only time I actually have ever beat off
work sick was following surgeries, and we would I was

(01:16:33):
asked for a medical certificate to cover my employer in
terms of my rehabilitation and the clearest to come back
to work.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
I see, right, So you're not questioning you just as
a sort of an administration issue. I mean you know
that that's I mean that obviously, Yeah, that's obviously fine.
You know that's not someone saying that you're dishonest. But hey,
that's another thing, Peter, that you bring up that that
a lot of people that are texting and don't understand
is most employers actually care about their staff and and

(01:17:02):
you actually if they you, if you were really sick,
then they would, you know, want to help in any
way they can. It's a rare employer that's just an
absolute a whole that will force some of the work
when they're sick. You know, I I don't know if
I like.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
The discussion with one of the previous callers, and you
hope it might be unfair, but the rules are different
for different people. That's the way it is. And if
they've got children, use to rules are different.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Yep, enough children.

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
And if someone hasn't got children, and fields that have
put out about it, well there's a solution.

Speaker 5 (01:17:37):
Have a kid.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
I mean you have the same rules apply on Christmas Day.
So we're in a shift work organization. We work seven
days a week, and you know people with children got
setting ours off on Christmas Day and people that children didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
So yeah, you sound like a good boss, Peter, Thank
you very much. So we've got to play some messages,
but appreciate your call. It is seven to three.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Tyler thinks it's unfair that women get to take time
off with their mental cycles and he doesn't have them.
He's just let me saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
The issues that affect you you and a bit of
fun along the way. Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons us talk,
sa'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
Four to three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Just to clarify It says this text. When a medical
certificate is required one three or more consecutive calendar days
of sickness. The count includes weekends, even if not scheduled
work days. If you're sick for three plus consecutive calendar days,
your employee may require proof and you must pay for
the certificate yourself. Two fewer than three consecutive days of sickness,
the employer may still request proof, but must reimburse you

(01:18:39):
for reasonable costs. The g GP visit telehealth pharmacy consultant.
If they advise you early of this requirement. There you go.
So that clarifies that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
That sorts that one out. And what a great conversation.
Thank you to everybody who phoned and text on that one.
Really enjoyed that. Right coming up after three o'clock. How
did your little miracle come into this world? Fantastic story
by Bundy Aki about his but how his baby came
into this world. It was born in the back of
a car. But will take him more very shortly. News

(01:19:07):
Sporting Weather on its way.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Tyler's nose might be about to give birth.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Your new home for insateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Sebby afternoon it is six past three. Just before we
get to our next topic, something glorious just happened. So
Matt has been having a good old laugh about the
big old pimple on my nose all afternoon, and we've
all had a bit of a giggle, haven't we. But
just as we went to stand up and go to
the loo and go get.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
A cup of coffee, I think we need to share this.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Yes, we absolutely do. So Matt stands up and he
walks towards the door. It is I do you know.
I just just have a wee look behind and he's
got a big old fragile sticker right on his butt cheek.
I mean not the bare ass obviously, but so you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
I feel like it's just some kind of camera at
play here. So someone has stuck a fragile sticker on
my butt and not walking past. So I've been walking
around all day and people have been laughing at me
for having the sticker on my butt.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
I know who it was, as well, you do as
well done to that person.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
I was visiting Radio Hurdeki before and there was fragile
stickers on the postage going out. So Kate Britain from
Radio Headache has slapped a fragile sticker on my buck
and I've walked around all day. I think that's I'm
taking that teach.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Out, Kate. I owe you a wine. This is a glorious,
glorious moment. Well done, and yeah, mate, say that all
is right in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
That's how humanly I did. I feel about that the
whole day. I'll be walking around and no one said
anything till you said anything. Yes, yes, just why is
it embarrassing? Who cares if you got a fragile sticker
on your But it's not even true, my but doesn't
even fragile.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
It's pretty rock solid, pretty rock solid.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Pretty good good. I still think it's less embarrassing than
the facial traffic cone that you're running.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
I don't know, nine two nine two What do you reckon?

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Wayne Brown would hate you with that road cone on
your nose?

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
Oh eight hundred road cone?

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
This is the skinner's crying for out.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
This is gonna be a great chat. So this was
a lovely story. A should be British and Irish Lions
midfielder Bundy Archie. He is excited to meet his new daughter,
who was born in the back of a car where
he was preparing for a test. So Kie let it
slipper in an interview recently that he was preparing for
the opening Test against Australia when his wife message to
say they were on the way to hospital. He's a

(01:21:28):
little bit of what he see.

Speaker 19 (01:21:29):
I want to enjoy my break, enjoy my family time.
I have a newborn child which I haven't met yet,
a girl girl. So he was born in Brisbe when
we were plagued, and you've been in the prison.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
So I hadn't I met her.

Speaker 19 (01:21:42):
And then's an So I'm looking forward to go and
meet with my newborn child. And I knew were like
overdrew and list has caused me. And she's like, oh
he bought her, had birthen but goes to the hospital,
book in contract with the affair enough and goes to
the hospital.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
So we're getting really forty to you meeting. She afoored
me from the way to the hospital. So fine.

Speaker 19 (01:21:57):
Five minutes later she she's a photo her water broth.
I was like, okay, cool man, all right, he almost
did something. Thirty to forty minutes away from the hospital.
I was like he'll be all right. Month's driving Taman's
leadership video and I was like, I won't.

Speaker 8 (01:22:12):
The video.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Of course she had to look out on the way to.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
So she had.

Speaker 19 (01:22:17):
They both have strong and healthy so happy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Well, thank goodness that the baby is healthy. That must
have been quite an experience. Yeah, so you know, we're interested, really,
you know, we want to discuss how the interesting way
your little miracles came into the world out there, because
they when they sometimes when they need to come, they
just come. You know, sometimes they refuse to pop out.

(01:22:43):
Then sometimes they just come. But it's sort of wide
a question here because his his wife here was over
Jew as he said, as he said, it was a
good day. I was in the team hotel. I knew
we were over Jew. The missus calls me, She's like,
my water hasn't broken, but I'm going to hospital. I'm
feeling contractions. So from from the father's point of view,
if the if the mother is over Jew, is that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
When you go away work, it's very brave thing to do.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Or are you expected to stay around, you know, to
support I mean his mother was there, so you know,
maybe to trust his mother. But I was around for
both my children being born.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Were they early or late?

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
I think they were both. One was about on time
and one was just a couple of weeks, about a
week late. Yeah, they's yeah, But yeah, I mean are
you supposed to be around? Are you? You know, because
more and more, you know, international sports, professional sports, people
will will take time off, won't they.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
But back back in the day, if an All Black,
for example, took time off for their maternity leave, people
used to scoff and go wheezy commitment to the team.
But yeah, I mean, if you're I know, I think
once you're over to you you've got to stick around,
don't You got to be there. It's the support person.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
I know a lot of it's not that you're very.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Necessarily very popular at the time, but.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
You've got to be there. I know a lot of
fathers to be there actually take a week off around
about the dude time because they don't want to miss it.
Probably there's a bit of pressure from the mum that
she's going through a bit of stuff at that moment,
and gives the hard word and said, don't you be
going to work. I need you around in case something goes,
you know, the water breaks and the baby's coming but

(01:24:25):
for Aki to just fly the coop. Yeah, man, it's
a hell of a thing for him to do. And
he's still yet to come home to see, says beautiful
wee daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Same mothers eight hundred and eighty ten eighty people that
have been mothers, people that have bought the little miracle
into the world. Did you expect your husband to be around?
Did you? Or was your husband not around? Did that
cause problems?

Speaker 11 (01:24:49):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
Did your husband go on a work trip?

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Love to hear from you? Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
What are the obligations for a father in twenty twenty five?

Speaker 5 (01:24:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is then
able to call the phone lines have let up. If
you want to send a teacher, more than welcome. Nine
to nine to two. Was the father there for the
birth of your and if he wasn't, or if you weren't,
what happened?

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Because I can imagine Tyler when my kids were being born. Gosh,
I'd want to be there because it was such a
nerve wracking time that I don't think I could have
handled being in another city at that point. I don't
know if I could have handled being away on a
work trip.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
Was number too easier?

Speaker 18 (01:25:27):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
You kind of been there, done that. I know the
drill here.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Yeah, I think so. Actually there was there was some
poor behavior for me around number one that I might share.
Oh this is good.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
It's thirteen past three on us dog zibby. It is
a call to a past three and we are talking about
Bundy Archie, the British and Irish Lions midfielder. He was
preparing for the opening test against Australia when his wife
messages say they were on the way to hospital her
water had broke, and to quote, ten minutes later he said,
she video calls me and I was like, oh beep,
what's going on? And I saw a baby on the

(01:25:58):
video call. So she had it on in the car
on the way to hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
But controversially, she was well over duemm and he was away.
Is that a Is it an obligation for the man
to be there for the birth? This text he does
not think so. A man is not only not necessary
at birth, but a hindrance. In the old days, he
would be at a pub waiting for a call where
he can't do any damage. Wow damage. The mother and

(01:26:22):
her mother are the correct people to be there, not
a man for a start. A woman doesn't want her
man to see her in that state. Get out of
the birthing suite. Men, it's a woman's domain.

Speaker 20 (01:26:32):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Oh w eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. How do
you feel about that? Ladies and men? It's just for ladies,
the old birthing suite.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Did that text come through on a time machine from
the nintey fifties?

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
It's a hell of a bold statement.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Joey, welcome to the show. Hello, Hello, how are you good?

Speaker 14 (01:26:51):
Thank you good good?

Speaker 21 (01:26:54):
Yeah. My father was away on a rugby tour when
my middle brother was born, and he was Graham was
five and a half months old before my father even
saw him.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Wow. So what sort of eraror was this? Joy? Joe? Sorry?

Speaker 22 (01:27:10):
Fifty three fifty four?

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
All right? So it was what what? What kind of
rugby player was he?

Speaker 21 (01:27:18):
It was on an all black tour, six months long tour?

Speaker 5 (01:27:22):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Wow? What was your father's name?

Speaker 21 (01:27:26):
Snow White?

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
White? All right, we're looking that up as we speak, Joe.
And so I mean, what.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Was that was? Going away on a rugby rugby tour
on a boat? Pretty much, wasn't it?

Speaker 21 (01:27:41):
I think they left. This was well before my time.
But they left on a was it the flying boat
or something?

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Oh yeah, talk to.

Speaker 21 (01:27:52):
Them about a week I think.

Speaker 12 (01:27:54):
To get Yeah, yeah, they.

Speaker 21 (01:27:58):
Stopped what's on lots of stops along the way. But
but yeah, there was sort of no no video calling.
Don't even know, you know, I think he may have
found out about my brother's first by telegram or something.
I don't think there were phone calls.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
So how how how pregnant was your mum when he
started this, you know, skipping and hopping across the world
to get to the tour on tour two weeks.

Speaker 21 (01:28:27):
Off giving birth?

Speaker 14 (01:28:28):
So wow?

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
And yeah yeah, and so was she okay with that?
And did she have the support she needed back back
here in New Zealand?

Speaker 21 (01:28:39):
Wow, I guess so. I think from from what I've heard,
she moved back with her parents. Was my oldest brother.
They had to let out their house because they didn't
get they got for all money or they got no
money on the tours. So but you know, it was

(01:28:59):
something he always said that the friendship he made over
his rugby time were probably going to be a lot
more long standing than you know in the later years
because of how they went through it all for the guys.
Now that's their career.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Yeah, just from the top of my head, just trying
to remember Hallard Leo snow White Leo. Yeah, Hallard Leo.
That's right, just thoughts in my head. He played one
hundred and ninety five games for Auckland. I'm just off
the top of my head. Prop. Wasn't he a strong scrummager?

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
Yes, it's good memory, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
He went on to serve as a coach and administrator.
He was the president of the Auckland Rugby Football Union
for a while.

Speaker 21 (01:29:41):
Wasn't he in the New Zealand Union?

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
In the New Zealand Union yet, I've just googled it.

Speaker 21 (01:29:47):
Of course, lots of things about my father through Google.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
That how cool, How cool that that he was your
father and he was an all black in that era.
That is that is so awesome. You'd be very proud
and so just so your mum was how did your
mum take this, that that he was away?

Speaker 21 (01:30:05):
She probably didn't have much of a choice, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Yeah, that's different times he did.

Speaker 21 (01:30:11):
Yeah, very different times.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
I imagine for your dad it must have been hard
to be away with no ability to phone, no video call,
just a telegram. That must have been tough for him
at the time.

Speaker 21 (01:30:23):
Oh, probably not.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Yeah, good cool.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
It was a totally different era with totally different expectations.
Weren't there a.

Speaker 21 (01:30:32):
Very different era?

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Yeah? Yeah, very different. So in twenty twenty five, do
you think do you think that things have changed? Do
you think that a father in this day and age
should be around, should should cancel whatever they're doing, if
they're if there, if their partner is overdue or ready
to go.

Speaker 13 (01:30:52):
Oh yeah, I.

Speaker 21 (01:30:56):
My husband was there when I had our daughter and
when she recently had heard maybe her partner was there,
So yeah, I think it's the important.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Yeah, hey, here's a tear.

Speaker 21 (01:31:08):
But then that was baby number five.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it was. It wasn't it was maybe
number five. Hey, Joe, this is a text that's come
through here. Snow White coached US front rowers in Auckland
in the late nineties. He was a lovely and caring man.
There you go. Yeah, yeah, so it's a lot of
respect for your dad out there. So hey, thank you

(01:31:33):
so much for your call, Joe, and thanks for sharing
that story.

Speaker 21 (01:31:36):
Okay, all right, have.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
A good afternoon. What a great New Zealander snow White.
A lot of text about snow White in his playing days.
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Is it important for the father to be in the birthing? Sweet?
Was that the case for you? Love to hear from you?
And if the dad didn't make it, we'd love to
hear the story. I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
All right, getting a lot of heat for not knowing
who snow White was. I knew all those details about
snow on you. I mean, how many people out there
and you he paid one hundred and nety five games
for Auckland, right, factly that's pure memory. Yeah, well done.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
It is twenty two past three.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
Very good afternoon. She It is twenty four past three,
and we've asked the question, is it important if the
father's in the birthing?

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Sweet?

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
This is on the back of a lovely story. Actually,
Bundy ARKI he lets slip during an interview that he
missed the birth of his fifth child because it was
preparing for the opening test against Australia got a video
call from his wife saying the water's broken, I'm on
my way to hospital and she didn't quite make it.
She gave birth to the baby in the car. So
love to hear your stories on eight hundred and eighty

(01:32:44):
ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Hey, and more stuff on Snowwhite. Hey. They still have
a junior boys Junius seven tournament at the North Cote
Rugby Club called the snow White Trophy, won by East
Coast Bass this year too.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
God love it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
This person says, Hey, anyone that knows rugby would know
who snow White is. I thought that was pretty interesting,
considering like commentate rugby. Yeah, well, you know my jobs.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
You had some good facts and figures about snow White.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
My rugby history is very a Targo focused JD. Welcome
to the show. How are you very good? Thank you
your thoughts on this.

Speaker 8 (01:33:18):
I was just just having a week listen. And I
remember two or three years ago when Robbie Williams was
on the Graham Norton Show and he I don't think
he'd gone to the first one, but he felt that
he needed to be with her for the second birth
of the second child, and Graham Norton had said to him,

(01:33:40):
or how did you find that? Are you glad that
you did that? And he said, well, if I'm going
to be completely honest, it was almost like having my
favorite local pub burnt down? How toul mess you found it?
Because being down that end and I just thought it

(01:34:01):
was COMICALE was just pretty much you know, you know,
are your favorite pub? Oh, it was just like having
that favorite pub boo down.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
So what do you think about that? Because because someone
someone texted through here before this text, I bet it before.
A man is not necessary at the birth, but a hindrance.
In the old days, he would be at the pub
waiting for a call where he can't do any damage.
The mother and her mother are the correct people there,
not a man for a start. A woman doesn't want
her man to see her in that state. I mean
my uncle.

Speaker 8 (01:34:35):
Archie, he's one hundred now. I used to play cricket,
and yes, that's what they did back in those days.
They just went to the pub and waited for the
waited for the news. I do have one of the stories,
and that's my sister. She's actually had seven children. I
was taking her in the middle of the night to
give birth to her last child, the nurse didn't even

(01:34:56):
have a chance to get her on the bed and
get her gloves on, and this week girl just straight away.
So yeah, you really can't judge it, but men are definitely.

Speaker 16 (01:35:06):
Supposed to be there these days.

Speaker 8 (01:35:08):
Yeah, but maybe don't look down that daub said.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
Hold hands and look your partner in the eye. Maybe,
But what about you want to don't you want to
see that very first second that you that your child
enters the world?

Speaker 8 (01:35:23):
You know, Yeah, they pretty much when you got first,
they pretty much sort of get the baby over the top,
and then the man does thing. I just don't recommend
that he's standing at that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
End watching the pub burned out Robin Williams.

Speaker 8 (01:35:39):
But because yeah, I just don't think and you manage that,
I see that it's not necessaios.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Okay, Jody, thank you for your call. Appreciate that great call.
Only catching up with topic now. But years, for years,
you weren't allowed to go into where the mother were
due to have her baby. Even looking through the window.
You'd get in trouble, they'd tell you off.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
Yeah, I mean, how would you feel that if it
was a situation that you had to just go down
to the pub and wait for the news that we
cool to say you've got another baby.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Boy's I can't imagine it. I can't imagine it because
you're quite worried. I mean, you kind of think you
can help now, because now as a father, you go
to the what do they call the pre natal classes
or whatever, yep, and so you've learned a bunch and
you think you're going to be part of it. You

(01:36:30):
think you could be helpful. I mean, in my case,
I did just stuck on the nitrous and and sort
of basically get in the way. But you know, you think,
you know, you think you're being supportive.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
He allowed the nitrous I got.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
Told off by the by the midwife for that one.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
He who dares wins. I suppose it is twenty nine
bars three beg very shortly, oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighties a number.

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Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
Thank you, Scarlett, and we are talking about men or
the father being in the birth in Sweet. It's on
the back of what was a fairly lovely story from
Bundy Arki, the British and Irons Irish Lions midfielder he was.
He heard about the news of his daughter being born
when he was preparing for the opening Test against Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
I think that's important that the father is in the
birthing sweet when the mother is giving birth, says this text. However,
in some circumstances, I think it's okay if they are not.
Bundy was playing for the British and Irish Lions, which
is the highest honor that you can have as a
rugby player from Ireland. If he was my husband, I
would be telling him absolutely, go ahead and you'll see
your baby when you get back. This Texas says, hey, boys,

(01:38:48):
eight kids with my wife was therefore of them, wouldn't
miss it for the world. In this text to Linda, says,
was lucky enough to have a cesarean so barely had
to be there. Myself happy with that outcome.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
That's a great text, Dean.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (01:39:03):
Good enough to know. Yes, so more stories. A little
bit funny. My wife and I were in a ring
whether we were going to have a home birth or not.
The mid wife was there, my wife was having contractions,
and the decision was made to have a home birth.
After the midwife said, whatever you do, the decision is now.

(01:39:26):
We're walking towards the bedroom and my wife doubled over
with a massive contraction, and my daughter came flying at
a broom and I dived down.

Speaker 14 (01:39:37):
And caught it just before she hit the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:39:41):
Wow, Yes, even now that moment, I can remember the
absolute overwhelmedness of it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
All good reactions.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, wow. Because of course, boy, it can
be very very different from from that. And so you
what happened then you grabbed it?

Speaker 5 (01:40:01):
Well, then I kept held of Grace as her names,
and my wife, the midwife help my wife laid down,
and then I sat down and handed the scissors to
my mother and law allowed her to cut the cord
because I was shaking.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Wow, unexpected. And I mean Graces Grace must love the story.
She must have heard it a whole night.

Speaker 5 (01:40:27):
Yeah, she gets a little bit embarrassed when we tell
tell it in front of her friends.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
But yeah, it's a better outcome than you know, because
you you had quick hands. But it was. It's a
better outcome than twelve hours of pushing for you, for
your wife.

Speaker 4 (01:40:44):
That's for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:40:45):
That's for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:40:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:40:46):
Wow, she's been in a hurry ever since too.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
And is that the only child? Is Grace your only child.

Speaker 5 (01:40:52):
Dean, No, we have a son who's a couple of
years older as well.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
And was his birthless dramatic?

Speaker 5 (01:41:00):
Yeah it was. It was in the hospital and the
maternity ward. And yeah, the first time becoming a parent
because obviously a moment you never forget, but it doesn't
have the humor.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
Yeah yeah, And so you would have been keeping your
eyes on your wife the whole time for the second one.

Speaker 5 (01:41:18):
Oh yeah, yeah it was. It was fun. Yeah, that's
all I can say. In the end, it was a
lot of fun, a very overwhelming experience. But in the end,
I wouldn't I wouldn't change it for anything.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
It's a lovely story, Dean. So with the home birth,
obviously yet to make that decision pretty quick for the
first time, you must have been bricking yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:41:41):
Well yeah, yeah, it was a case of I didn't
actually want to make that decision. I wanted that to
be my wife's decision. But the way it was all happening.
She was breathing heavy and what not every now and then,
and I just thought, no, I have to make a decision.
So I made the decision. I will have it here

(01:42:03):
and yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
There you go. Good on your dean with a great story. Yeah,
and congratulations and catching little grace. Diane, welcome to show.
You've had two boys.

Speaker 10 (01:42:14):
I've had two boys fifteen months apart, and.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
That was dad there.

Speaker 10 (01:42:22):
Yes, yes, And I think you know, the statement that
was made earlier I think is a bit archaic for
these days. I think that you know, it takes two
to have a child, and I think the man has

(01:42:42):
a right to be there, and they are helpful, and
I think most women take comfort from the father being there.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Would you say at childbirth and you say, have the
man has the right to be there? But do you
think that the woman has the right to call the
shots and ask for what she wants? You know?

Speaker 10 (01:43:07):
I think it's here just yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
So the last time they said get out, get out,
get out, get out, then I think, as the man,
you would have to I mean, that didn't happen with
my two sons, but I imagine if it had, I would
have been there. Okay, I get it.

Speaker 10 (01:43:21):
Yeah, yeah, except you know, the actual birds. I think
is something special that that's the only opportunity for a man,
you know, to experience and and I think it also
helps for them to know what a woman actually goes through.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 10 (01:43:44):
To bring a life into this world. And it's a
special occasion.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
Yeah, I mean absolutely. And from a from a father's perspective,
you're so worried that you want to know the second everything's.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
Okay, So absolutely so.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
You don't want to be as as this Texas is
went across the road and the pub, like the old.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
Days, waiting for the phone call sounds awful.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
Yeah, you know, but the cliche was, wasn't it was
that pacing that the father pacing around the pub waiting
for a phone call, gets the phone call, hangs up,
and then lights a cigar.

Speaker 10 (01:44:22):
Yeah yeah, but I think a lot of women these
days would like their husband to be there, and I
think most men these days want to be part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
Yeah. Well, thank you so much for you called Dane.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
Great call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call, love to hear your thoughts. Were you
as the father in the birthing sweet and as the
woman giving birth was the father there? And if he wasn't,
what was the story? I eighte hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
It's a bit different with Bundy says this text. That
was a one hundred thousand pound work trip. You got
to equate that into it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
It goes a long way for a new baby. Yeah, yeah,
all right, it is twenty one to four getting through school.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
Have a chat with the lads on eighty and Tyler
Adams afternoons used.

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
Talk said it is eighteen to four.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
Hi, guys, my wife took her sweet bloody time giving
birth to our son at home. So I did the
right thing and fell asleep in my chair with all
the excitement at two in the morning. Was the right
thing to do, as I just get in her way
whenever I'm near her. Anyway, we got there in the end,
proud of both of us.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
Not get on your wasels, Steve, Jesus is I won
with that one out, Steve, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
There you go, very good. Thank you.

Speaker 12 (01:45:42):
Okay, So on our first son, my wife friend into
taber and the after Nana and I was a bit
panicky and said, right, we've got to go to hospital,
which we made it there and we had our midwife.
We were sharing with another woman that was giving birth
at the same time and there so this third giving

(01:46:03):
birth in the other room was a bit of a
bogain and had some bogan mates with her snack. Some
mat de send the woodstocks into the room. So they
got drowned at by the midwife the first time for that,
and then she came back to us and then she
went back there and they've done your trick, Matt. They
were on the night dress.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
That's disgusting.

Speaker 12 (01:46:26):
So she gave them another bollocking. And then the third
time when she went back, they built the birthing pool
and they were all sitting in the birthing pool like
a sparkle, drinking their woodstocks. It's a bit fast, So
that that was My wife felt that we had cried
wolves the first time, and you know, because when she

(01:46:47):
was in labor for such a long time. So the
second time, on the second son, the waters broke a
four in the morning and I said, right, let's go,
and she said no, no, no, you just go back
to sleep and I'll wake you when we need to
go to hospital. So she woke me at six and
said right up in the shower and we'll head down there.

(01:47:07):
I got out of the shower said we're not going
to make it. The heads out and I can't stop pushing.
So we delivered them ourselves, no midwife, nothing on the
toilet floor.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
Wow, you must have been freaking out.

Speaker 12 (01:47:25):
I was white with their Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
Bet did you kind of have an intend about what
to do or no? You just had to go with
it and try.

Speaker 12 (01:47:34):
There was just hope, mate, and I just hoped that
everything that would come out good, and luckily it was.
It was a good berth, and we sat on the
toilet floor and waited for fifteen minutes till the midwife
turned up.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
So you would have been in the position. So you
were on your own. But did you got on the
phone to the midwife or you didn't even have time
for that?

Speaker 12 (01:47:57):
Oh? No, I was on the phone, fled out to it. Yeah,
I probably wrung her.

Speaker 4 (01:48:01):
About twive times?

Speaker 14 (01:48:02):
Where are you?

Speaker 12 (01:48:02):
Where are you?

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
And did she talk? Did she talk you through what
to do or was there anything for you to do?
Or it just it just sort of happened.

Speaker 12 (01:48:12):
Oh, it was like a slip fielder.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
It's it's funny how different they are, you know, some
of them just take forever to come out.

Speaker 12 (01:48:22):
I'll tell you what. I just got out of the shower.
I was clean by the time the midwas ended up,
or was not very clean at all. And the minute
she turned up, I went out on the deck, poured
myself a good stuff burban and hit about four cigarettes
on the truck.

Speaker 3 (01:48:39):
Yeah that's the way.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
Well, good on you, Steve. It sounded like you stood
up at a difficult time and and did did the
best you possibly could. So that's pretty good. And I'm
sure your your your child loves that story.

Speaker 12 (01:48:52):
There was nowhere to hide, ma, Dad.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
Yeah, I mean, but you didn't run away? Yeah, can
You'd be a terrible person if you ran away.

Speaker 3 (01:49:02):
You can't run away.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
I can't deal with this. But as interesting to think that,
you know, for the vast majority of human the time
we've been humans, that no one knew what to do
when you were giving birth, you know what I mean.
There were no midwives or hospitals.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
Yeah, you just had to for the best. You just
had to get it done exactly. I think we've got
time for kieren. Get a Karen.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
There, you got a Karen.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
Welcome to the show, Thank you, thank you, So tell
us story.

Speaker 5 (01:49:36):
Father of three.

Speaker 22 (01:49:37):
So I've been to all birds the first one. So
all three babies came I think six days early, all
three of them. So we went went prepared for that.
For the first one, I was at the pub all flooon,
my last last night out being responsible. Lovely wife walked
up to the pub to pick me up and that

(01:49:59):
was all good. Went home, carried on, went to sleep
and wake up about two in the morning and she
was a labor on the couch the bedroom. I was
still pretty rather and.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
That would say be out fast though, so.

Speaker 22 (01:50:15):
I got it at the hospital and then just got
yet at the whole time for drinking all your cold water.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
So essentially you've woken up two o'clock with your hangover
kicking and you've got a lot to deal with.

Speaker 22 (01:50:27):
Yes, it was not expecting that.

Speaker 5 (01:50:29):
Yeah, so number two.

Speaker 22 (01:50:31):
Number two was a lot easier, and I was sober
for that one, which was good. Yeah, number three, I
knew exactly what was happenings. I certainly was. She was
labor on my phone ordering ties.

Speaker 13 (01:50:42):
Great.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
Oh, we see you're just getting better and better at it.
You're a proby You're a convisional. Yeah, thanks to you,
Carl Kieran.

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
I was sort of in a certain sort of similar
situation where because we've been waiting for the baby to
be born for a while, it was quite stressful, and
so I thought I'd have a few whiskeys on the
couch watching TV, just because I thought this thing's not coming. Yeah,
just a decompress and then and then then it came
the next you know, and I was like, I can't drive,
I can't you know. It was an absolute cock up.

(01:51:12):
I couldn't drive so we had to tax it. Yeah, yeah,
oh too.

Speaker 5 (01:51:15):
Go.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
So my advice there is staff, the booze around the
window you're getting to the hospital. Plan does not work.

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
Go sober from seven months on.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
Well, you know, if you're a really good dad, surely
you should be sober when I wasn't. But you should
probably be sober the whole time if they have to
be sober.

Speaker 3 (01:51:35):
Right, it's quite stressful. Whiskey sound bloody good? Actually right?
It is twelve to four back very shortly with more
of your texts, the.

Speaker 1 (01:51:43):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons, Used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
B News Talks the B It is nine to four, Jasmine.
You've got a rather dramatic story, but a beautiful story.
How are you?

Speaker 23 (01:52:01):
I thank you. We had our first baby girl eleven
months ago.

Speaker 5 (01:52:08):
Congratulation, Thank you.

Speaker 23 (01:52:10):
And I ended up kind of very long story short,
had to be rushed to see that after burst, and
so I was without her for about five hours and
she was with her dad, and you just never know
what's going to happen. And who would you rather, you know,
your baby spend that time less than they're dad, because

(01:52:31):
that bonding, that bonding time to start with.

Speaker 2 (01:52:35):
That must have been tough for you, though, So you've
got this. How quickly were you rushed away?

Speaker 23 (01:52:42):
About half an hour? Maybe no, probably probably a bit
clicker than that you saw were so.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
You got to meet your baby girl and spend some time.
But it must have been hard to be pulled away.

Speaker 23 (01:52:54):
Yeah, so they did, you know, we got to do
a bit of skin to skin and cut the cord
and although of feed and then yeah, then I had
to go. So it was tough, but I knew that
she was face because she was going.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
To heart and that's what that's what the dad should
be there for a backup?

Speaker 23 (01:53:12):
Yeah, because you know who would she have gone to?

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
Yeah, and how did he manage? How did he manage
that situation?

Speaker 23 (01:53:21):
He was a bit stressed. We had really amazing My
midwife was just I can't say enough about her. She
set him up, and really good nurses on the ward
who came in and checked on. I disposed of them
until I got back, and yes, settled him and then
helped them. So, yeah, he got a real kid start.

Speaker 3 (01:53:48):
In the background.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
Yeah, what's her name?

Speaker 14 (01:53:51):
Harp?

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
What a lovely name.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
Hello, Harper, very cute. Hey, thank you, thank you so
much for your call. I was in a similar position actually,
where I ended up having to look after the baby
because mum it was still under a general anesthetic and
I'd never held a baby before in my life hardly,
And I just said the stupidest thing to the to

(01:54:14):
the midwife, I said, so, does it just keep breathing
or do I have to do anything? Like I had
no idea what you did with this thing. And then
I was like and then they gave me a bottle
and I was just put it in his mouth and
he drank it, and I was like, thank.

Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
God, what a great what a beautiful moment though, right,
that is all we've got time for today. Thank you
to everybody who text and phoned on that one. Some
lovely stories there, and I think it's fair to say
if you are the dad and you can be there,
be there.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
Yeah, but we're not. We're not judging Bundy.

Speaker 3 (01:54:44):
No, you know he was making a good coin, maybe
number five year. His mum was there to help along
a well.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Are you saying baby number five isn't as important as
baby number one? They're all special miracles.

Speaker 3 (01:54:56):
It's easier, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
You definitely get less freaked out after the first one.
The first one is very challenging. Yeah, but yes, thank
you so much for listening to the show today and
thanks for all your and texts. The full show podcast
will be out in about an hour or so. So
if you missed our chats on a huge pile of
coal and Huntley or what else did we talk about today.

Speaker 3 (01:55:21):
It's about sick notes.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
Sick notes, then then listen to our podcast where we
get your podcasts now Tyley Tyly, Yes, my new nickname
for you, Tyley. Why am I playing this song?

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
This is a bit of Stevie wonder Oh isn't she lovely?

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
Isn't she lovely? Isn't she wonderful? Isn't she precious? Less
than one minute old? I never thought through love we'd
be making one as lovely as she? But isn't she lovely?
Made from love?

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
What a beautiful song and a beautiful message.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
One of those beautiful songs about a newborn baby you
could ever hope to hear.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
Yeah, absolutely love it. Hey, And just a reminder tomorrow
on the show after three point thirty, Gareth Abdenor is
back with us, taking your calls and questions. And you
got a problem with the boss if you're worried about
sick notes, is the man to chat to? That is tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
Yeah, that's right. The Paul Holmes Broadcast over the year,
Heather Dooper, see Ellen is up next. Thanks for those
things I said. And Tyler, get some Dallas and tea
for that thing on your nose, John to squeeze it
for me. I don't want you turning up with a
road cone on your face a NiCl certificate. All right,
see you tomorrow afternoon.

Speaker 20 (01:56:29):
Till then, everyone give me a taste.

Speaker 1 (01:57:31):
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