Full Show Podcast: 08 August 2025

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Hello, you got New Zealand's and Welcome to matin Tile
Afternoons Full Show Pod number one seven nine for Friday,
the eighth of August. Great show today, Tyler certainly was
New Zealand of the Week controversy. There was boy oh boy,
I can't remember anything that happened, but.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
There was some pushback on New Zealand of the Week.
But well does winner as always working from home? Good
Chad around there, great canon snnon Yeah, really push back
at us?

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Yeah, it was actually started the hour and I thought,
Hang'm gonna am I wrong about everything? Do I need
to just pack up and go home? Yeah? She was brilliant.
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Speaker 1 (01:02):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Talk said the welcome into show. Hope you're doing well.
We're hev you're listening in this country of ours. Always
feel a bit happy on a Friday, YETO met good day, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yes, thank you so much for tuning in. Excited about
today's show. Got the New Zealander of the Week coming
up and a few hours who do you think it
should be? There's a few nominations for Jason Walls in there, Yeah,
a couple for Ethan Stills, people that have left our show.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yep, so get those nominations in as quick as you can.
Nine two ninety two is the ticks number. Also, we
want to have a chat about what is the best
live event to be a spectator at.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, I was thinking about this last night. I was
him seeing and commentating the Savory Grand Slam twenty twenty
five Darts Championship last night with gu Lane and Ben
big Reg Rob been Big Reg Rob is a great
New Zealander. What a fantastic man. He is a champion
And look, it was an awesome event. And I was
sitting there as I looked out to people in their costumes.
Everyone's dancing along to but da da da da da

(01:59):
da da da da da don't sing along with me,
todder Love, And I was just thinking, this is a
this is a very very very exciting sport to watch
and I think people just love it. They get into it.
So I've got me thinking, is darts the best event
to go to?

Speaker 4 (02:15):
That's right up there? Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
You know. You've got the costumes, you've got the dancing,
it's fast paced, it's great. So is it better than league?
It's a better go to Mount Spartan football rock concerts,
ban some of the orchestras. What is the best love event?

Speaker 3 (02:29):
And why that is after three o'clock? After two o'clock?
Is getting a degree still worth it? Or is a
trade the way to financial stability?

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, experts are saying it's a bad idea to go
to UNI, better to go into the trades. How do
you know where your expensive degree is going to go?
How do you know it's that career is not just
going to be wiped out from underneath you five years
from now.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yep, that is going to be a good chat after
two o'clock. But right now, let's have a chat about
working from home. So from next year, Victorians in Australia
will have the legal right to work from home two
days every week. Premiere just Cinerellen says, if you can
do your job from home, we will make it right,
and they've claimed a whole lot of societal benefits. But
we want to hear from you our eight hundred and

(03:14):
eighty ten eighty working from home? Is this madness what
the Australians are doing.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I think that it will destroy their economy and destroy
social cohesion. If you're encouraging people to work from home
two days a week. Yeah, it's not good. It's not good,
you know. But we'd like to hear from you. Have
you been forced back into the office and is it
blowing up in your face and ruin your life? As
you know, when we've talked about this before last year,

(03:41):
people that were being forced back into the office sit
it was going to ruin their lives because that's the
push in New Zealand to get a bit more back
in the office, it seems, whereas in Victoria the push
seems to get you out of the office. But a
wider question can an economy survive with people working from home?
Because you know, it's terrible for hospo, it's terrible for

(04:04):
you know, transport services, you know, it's terrible for a
lot of things, bars after work, all those kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yep, it kills the CBD absolutely oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty loved to hear your thoughts on this. If
you were working from home and if you recently returned
to the office, did it destroy your life where you're
actually found some love again with being around your colleagues,
and if you're still working from home, why do you
still love it? Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
There's been a nomination for New Zealand of the Week. Tyler. Yep,
Tyler's knows it for New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
It's right up there, right up there with a nomination.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
It's definitely in the conversation.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yep. It's ten pasts one.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Zi'd be very good afternoons U thirteen past one. So
we're talking about working from home in Victoria. They're going
to bring in a law next year that everybody who
can work from home is allowed to work from home
two days a week. Can and economy survive with that
many people working from home?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, it's crazy. What reasons have they given there? Tyler?
What do they think it's going to be good?

Speaker 3 (05:08):
So this is from the premiere, just sent to allan.
So the benefits include reduced congestion and boosting accessibility to employment,
including opening jobs up to more women with children.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Do you know what congestion is? It's people going places
to spend money and do stuff.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
That's a productive society.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Everyone always talking about congestion all the time. Drive me quick,
drives me mental. Here's a text, yep, judge mental much?
Two days? It should be many days? As the employee wants.
Why has Australia better at everything that's supposed to be?
Why is Australia better at everything than our idiot country?
Our fascist government is forcing everyone out of their homes

(05:46):
to work. Why I shall be able to work wherever
I want? My work doesn't own me, don't tell me
where and when to work. My employee has threatened to
charge me sick days and holidays for not coming in.
I have threatened to take them to the employment court.
Watch this space, listen. Just because you pay me doesn't
mean you get to decide where I work. I'm working
now as I write this to you, and doing a

(06:06):
hell of a lot more work than you do.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
At as it'd be well with the relationship they got
with their boss. I do not doubt that, but I
would say, if someone's paying you to do a job, yes,
they can dictate where you work.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
Part of the deal.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Say if you were when I used to work at
Real Groovy Records, they would dictate where I stood in
the shop. You're over at that counter, you're out working
in there, you're over at the stock process encounter. They
definitely had the ability to tell me, absolutely to the
meter where it was.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
That's part of the deal. Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Shannon, Welcome the show.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Hey ya, Hi, So you disagree absolutely, I disagree.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
I you disagree with Victoria, you disagree with us? Or
who do you disagree with Victoria?

Speaker 6 (06:49):
With both of you saying that the economy is going
to collapse if we work two days from home and
that there'll be no social cohesions. I've worked remotely one
hundred percent remotely for the past few years, and I've
also worked in our hybrid model wasn't from home as
well as the office, and I think it provides much
better work life balance. And then your point about people

(07:11):
going into the city to spend money. There's no reason
that people then can't be spending that money more on
their local community because you're getting time back in your
day instead of commuting to work, so you've got more
time to see your friends that live locally and go
out into the local restaurants and cafes.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Is that what you're doing. Do you hit out around
your house to get lunch and such, Shannon, yep, I do,
and after work you meet up with friends and such.
I know why I keep saying in.

Speaker 6 (07:40):
Such, I mean, I don't think being in town changes
my ability to be able to meet up with my
friends because my friends live all of the Auckland and
Auckland is not an easy place to get around.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
So true, can you see the part of it? Here's
where I come edit, Shannon, is the ability to be
in a workplace and be around people. We are social animals,
and when we have rules like this, and it might
sound good on but I think for a lot of
people there's a loneliness epidemic happening as we speak, and
that just removes that social connection. So people might not

(08:16):
initially like the idea of going into the office, but
you cannot deny. For a lot of people, they might
be feeling a bit cramp and then they get in
there and have a chat and have that social connection
and it's a boost for a lot of people.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
I think what you're arguing, though, it is saying if
we were going one hundred percent remote, which is not
the argument that we're having. We're saying you get the
best of both worlds where some days you can work
for home and then other days you go into the
office to get that socializing aspect of it. I don't
think we should be relying on work as to be
providing us with all our socializing in our life. I

(08:48):
think we should be encouraged to be spending more time
as family and friends, and working from home does give
you more opportunity to do that.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Do you agree, though, that a lot of people meet
their partners in life and work with the connections for
work in the workplace, And would you agree.

Speaker 6 (09:07):
That you meet your part no three days a week?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, maybe there's maybe there's a good point, so you
you how many how many days you work at home? Though, Senna,
I work at home three days a week, three days
a week, so you're in the office two days yeah, I'm.

Speaker 6 (09:24):
Saying that people. If people want to work in the office,
I don't think officers are going to say no, you're
only allowed to come in to three days a week.
I could go into the office five days a week
if I wanted, and if I need to go in,
I do. But I don't need to go in to
socialize with my workmates. How do you I need to collaborate?

Speaker 2 (09:43):
How do you mainly communicate with your workmates? Shenna, Well,
I mean.

Speaker 6 (09:49):
It depends whatever is required. I mean, if I need
to speak to him in person, I can speak to
him in person. But if I'm at home, it's still
just giving a team's call.

Speaker 7 (09:58):
Yeah, A way as well.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, because it's just interesting because there've been some studies
that say that people that aren't interacting face to face
tend to have more political problems than people that are
actoring reacting face to face, and that sometimes reading an email,
people don't get the nuance and they get offended and
they can have whole political problems that we're never We're
never meant if you could have seen the slight smile

(10:21):
on someone's face, or or were in their proximity when
they made when they came over and tapped you on
the shoulder and said, hey, I'm looking at this. That's
a little bit of a problem rather than text emailing
you and you go, I hate this.

Speaker 6 (10:31):
Present absolutely, but I could still stand a snarky email
sitting next to the person and that could still be
missing truth. Yeah, you know, I think that really goes
down to the person and your ability to judge how
you should be communicating. If you're working from home, you
can still peck up the phone and call someone, or
you can video call them. And I mean, if it

(10:51):
is something that you want to have in person, you
can do that tomorrow when you are back in the office.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Do you don't mind me asking what kind of work
are you in, Shannon.

Speaker 6 (11:00):
I'm in software, software or in my industry. Yeah, and
I've been looking for work, you know, I've recently found
work and tr that I have been looking in the
New Zealand market and what I noticed was that a
lot of New Zealand companies want people five days in
the office, whereas a lot of more international and global
companies are you know, one hundred percent remote or hybrid working.

(11:24):
And I know from my industry people generous if for
a hybrid or remote model. So I think, actually, Kiew company,
I'm going to be starting to struggle to find and
retain talent if they're not going to be flexible.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
That's an interesting point though, because on the flip side
of that, if you can work from home, then your
company can go, well, why am I paying this person
the expensive wages I have to pay in New Zealander?
Why don't I just outsource their job to someone overseas well?

Speaker 6 (11:50):
But you can argue that both ways, right, Like you
can look at a US company. Their dollars much stronger
than an ours, so they could actually be paying a
Kiwi lower wages compared to someone locally in the US.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
But you work for a local company.

Speaker 6 (12:03):
No, my company has based in New Zealand, so they
are a global company, so they have officers in other
countries as well.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Are you working right now, Shannon, No, I'm not got
at this right second. But when you get off this
phone call, you'll get back at it.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
I mean, you make some very fair argument, Shennon, But
you make some good points. Yeah, you do make some
good points. But when I look at what they're doing
in Victoria, that's the idea of legislating it because it
sounds like you've got a good employer and you're a
good employee and you've found that right balance. But it's
volunteer and it's based on negotiation and it works well
for you and your boss when you legislate it. There

(12:40):
is businesses who are then on the back foot when
an employer says to you, it says to them, hey,
the premiere says I can work from home two days
a week and you can't do anything about it. That's
where I start to see some things falling apart. What's
your thoughts on that?

Speaker 6 (12:53):
Well, I would say, why are these companies demanding people
to be in the office five days a week? If
you have you know, it's not going to be a
feasible policy for you know, like mechanics and hospitality workers.
The office work is you know, predominantly what we do
is set on our computers all day. Of course there
is the in person collaboration, but technology is advancing and

(13:18):
it's meant to be making our lives better and I
think being able to work hybridly is making our lives better.
And as we look like a lot of if Australia
is pushing for this right, they generally probably have a
better work life balance than in New Zealand. I mean
we have a thirty forty hour work week, there's a
thirty eight and a half hour.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Work week slack.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
Black or are they just more productive and their kind
that they're given?

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Okay, Shannon, final point with you, and I'm loving your points.
You're making you making a very strong argument here and
look the text machines firing up with responses. But what
about this part of it from a personal perspective as
your career goes forward? Because studies have shown that when
it comes to laying people off, they're much less, much

(14:04):
more likely to lay people off that are working from
home more than people in the office, just because that's
what human beings are like. We get relationships with people,
we like people more, we you know, if we feel
close to them, if we talk to them face to face,
and secondly, we're more These studies show that that we're
more likely to be promoted if if we have a
personal relationship with the boss, if we're seeing them more often.

(14:26):
So does that concern you that you could just be
a stroke of the pen, Because because it's it's much easier.

Speaker 6 (14:32):
To get really opens up. I think that opens up
a much wider social issue, and that having that personal
relation be more likable means that you're more likely to
be promoted or if you're unlikable, more likely to be dismissed.
You know, it does bring into like a lot of
companies do have these boys clubs, and I'm sure I'm

(14:53):
going to be angering a lot of old.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Men ro there's lots of there's plenty of girls clubs
as well out there. I mean, I go into a
lot of workplaces and it's one hundred percent female, a
lot of a lot of people that I deal with,
and so there's there's girls clubs, and you know, there's
there's plenty of possibility for girls clubs.

Speaker 6 (15:08):
What I'm saying, I think that is a different issue
necessarily were that that's still going to happen. I think
people should be promoted or dismiss dates on there.

Speaker 7 (15:19):
But if I ay to do.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Their job, I get there. But if I own a company,
isn't it my you know, a prerogative to surround myself
and the company with people that I like and want
to spend time with.

Speaker 6 (15:31):
Sure, but don't if you have a company, wouldn't you
want to be hiring the best employees. We're going to
make you the most money. Yeah, I want to smile
at you, nique to the water cooler and laugh at
your jokes.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
But what if it's even Stevens. If it's if they've
got two people and you're deciding between them, you go, well,
they're both pretty good, but one of them is fun
to be around, and the other one's always at home
and I don't really know them very well. Which one
are you going to pick them?

Speaker 8 (15:54):
Well?

Speaker 6 (15:55):
Are they always at home or if they still in the.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Office three days a week, Well, under the I suppose
they would be.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, yeah, Well, hey, thank you so much, Shannon, and
you go well out there, and congratulations. It sounds like
you've found a great work life balance for you and
I'm happy for you all.

Speaker 6 (16:12):
Then, thank you and enjoyed our chat.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah, good discussion, Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call Love to hear your thoughts. If you're
working from home? Are you thriving or should people be
expected to work from the office?

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Love your Thoughts? Twenty four past one.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 9 (16:30):
Breakfast the increase yet again of kids leaving school with
literally no qualification. Sixteen percent had nothing. Zavid seems Associate
Education Ministry.

Speaker 10 (16:37):
I think the education systems become less appealing because you
don't have a knowledgeable adult standing at the front telling
you stuff that feels like if you miss out, you're
missing out on something valuable.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
And that's because of the erosion of the curriculum.

Speaker 10 (16:48):
But I think it's also true, while absolutely critical to
run the government education system, well we need alternatives. And
why it's surprise you to know my version of that
as charter school. If you set up a school with
flexible fund and same money and so you guys need
to do something different, then I think you can start
to fix some of these From.

Speaker 9 (17:04):
Right back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast
with News Talk z B very good afternoons.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
You we are talking about working from home.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Victoria is going to legislate that bosses have to allow
their employees, if they can work from home, to work
from home two days a week. If you're in that
situation now working from home?

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Is it that good?

Speaker 11 (17:22):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (17:22):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty And if you're a boss,
how do you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
The sex it says this is what is going to
ruin us. No wonder every second person has mental health issues.
We allow people to not go to school, we allow
people to work from home, and then wonder why everyone
suffers from social anxiety and don't know how to interact
with people. Why not just sit at home all day
with the blinds drawn and only communicate with people via screens.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
That's what I worry about.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Hi, Matt and Tyler, I disagree about working from home. Obviously,
all they are doing is working behind a computer, which
is a great candidate to be replaced by AI. Go
to work and do something useful. Cheers Brian.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Yeah, good text, Thank you very much, cureda Fellers.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
I have people in my team that work from home
on a regular basis. Personally, I cannot stand it. I
feel they are taking the mick. Not present means they
can't be called on to help when things pop up.
Not present means they are not part of the team.
Not present means that those that do turn up take
on more and by default are more productive and valued.
Work from home as a piss take and no one

(18:19):
can tell me these people are generally working as hard
for the good of the team. Okay, workplace dependent, but regardless,
it is a bad model in my opinion, does nothing
for morale or team cohesion. Cheers, Hemmy, Yeah, nice Tex,
thank you very much. Here you go, all right, Steve,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 12 (18:39):
Here you going. Look, I've just come back from Melbourne,
and you know the person who's paying this, she's not
paying the wages. And I look at what has happened
in Melbourne. Melbourne's dead. Like they've done all that World
Economic Forum thing where they put all these bus lanes
and tram lanes and everything. Now you can't get a
car into town, so no one goes into town. A
two bedroom apartment in inner city Melbourne now is we're

(19:01):
three hundred and fifty dollars a week fully furnished. So
I look at what they've done to the inner city Melbourne.
They've actually killed it. What's happened in Melbourne. Everyone's moved
out closer to the coast. So and I'm saying the
same thing. They've done the same thing in Wellington.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Guys.

Speaker 12 (19:15):
I know who ran cashs in Wellington. They're down to
twenty five percent of the turnover they once did the
whole economy survives on getting people into offices. Because for
every twelve people that are working at Croat to third in,
when they're sitting at home, it's like, well, they're not
they're not engaging with anyone else in the shop, they're
not going buying anything. The money doesn't go around the economy.

Speaker 13 (19:38):
And I looked at one.

Speaker 12 (19:39):
Of my own friends as a retailer, and he goes
when everyone started working from home and that sort of stuff.
He says his busiest days were Mondays and Fridays. He said,
before it used to be on the weekends. And so
the whole thing has changed the way people spend money
and interact with people. And it's not good. It's not
good for society and it's not good for the individuals.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Do you think there'd be a situation where villagers grow up,
so the local cafes and the local bars and the
local establishment around where people are living in the suburbs
will start to grow up and replace that CBD business.

Speaker 12 (20:14):
No, because I've got shops as well, And you're not
getting the people into the shops either, because you're just
not getting them out. They're not they're not leaving their
heights and then like they're sitting at home acting like
they're working. You know, like the biggest thing they thought
that that was sold was those clocks that the big
clocks with the secondhand on it, and they put the
mouse on it and they will look like you're doing

(20:36):
clicks on on the mouth. Ye get the mouse alive.
You know, things like that all the earliest guys. And
I look at a lot of these industries like what
people are doing, well, twenty percent of them are not going
to exist in five years time to say I because
they was going to take a lot of them out.
So putting them at home is like this way I
laying them off before they've got to get laid off.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, I mean, it was certainly easier for someone to
you know, emotionally, and that's that's a part of laying
people off, is the emotional part of it, because you know,
most employers, you know, think about their employees and and
you know, if you know their families and you know,
you know them personally and you care about their hopes
and dreams, then that's quite hard to lay them off.

(21:16):
But if you don't, if you don't know anything about them,
they're just someone that comes through on a computer screen,
lives on on the other side of town and doesn't
come in very often. Then much easier just to go
line through their job.

Speaker 12 (21:27):
But they're not spending money in the economy either, because
you know they've got the coffee machine at home. You know,
they're eating at home. You know they're not going Yeah,
like you know, they're all picking up their kids at
three o'clock. You know, like they's running a scheme. And
you look at all these countries now, all these Western
countries so become unprofitable. And the thing is, you look
at it, we've tied ourselves up in so much paperwork

(21:48):
that we actually don't create an you think anymore. We're
not wealth economies anymore. We're consumer economies, but we're not
creative economies.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah. And then and if we're at home, then we're
not even really service consumer economies where order things from
overseas economies. And then that's just a big plug where
all the money just heads out towards TIMO.

Speaker 12 (22:11):
Yeah, I know I see it all the time. Look,
I live in an area and I look at the
courier companies come through, and like there'll be three or
four career companies come through a day and we're on
a street. There's ainly twelve hours.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Part of me, Steve, I look at these things like
working from home, and I don't agree. I don't think
that's a good way to be productive, or to get
the best out of people, or to actually do what's
good for their mental health as well. But part of
me looks at the four day weeks, at the system
that's been implemented. I think there is some structural change
that can be looked at and how we work as society.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
But this, to me isn't it.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
But that's not to say I don't think there's other
things we could do to get us more productive, to
allow us to have a bit more work life balance.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
What would you say to that, Yeah.

Speaker 12 (22:56):
The four day week's good as long as they're doing
the ten nowadays, and I know companies that do it,
and they go, these guys pump up because they've got
a three day weekend and you know that keen to work.
And the other thing is what they all noticed was
a downtime was less because they put more resent and
on the way through, so there was you know, the
smow coos were stretched out more. You know, so they

(23:16):
kept on, they kept onto the grindstone instead of just
oh no, we've got a smoke in fifteen minutes, all least,
just take it easy. Well, the next smoke I was
going to be an hour and a half.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
It's one of those things they do that that those
equations and they can't quite work out what it is.
But jobs take as long as the time you've got.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 (23:35):
But I love the guys who were running certain factories
and they were doing it, and that was like everyone
was so rapped for it because the guys were like, oh, well,
I've got a Friday off. Everyone was off on the Friday,
and they were rapped for it, you know, because the
weekend seemed longer and they had more resk periods and
all they were doing was, you know, an extra two
and a half hours a day.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Well, there you go. Thank you so much for your call, Steve.
We've got I've got a pretty angry text that's pushing
back on that call. So we'll get to that next.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
There is twenty six to two headlines coming up, and
then we'll read out that text.

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It ends it here on premium. Now back to Matt
and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Thank you very much, Wendy. We are talking about working
from home. Next year Victorians in Australia, we'll have the
legal right to work from home two days every week.
So can and economy survive with so many people working
from home?

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Love to hear your.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Thoughts, Yeah, listen to this next here. Listening to you
rich assholes like Steve and Matt telling people where and
when to work makes me sick. Who are you to
force me onto a bus in the morning at night? Well,
no one. I also absolutely no power order Steve to
force you to do anything.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
You can walk, get a bike.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
How's talking about something forcing someone onto a bus.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
No one's putting a gun to your here to get
on that bus now.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
I'm not chasing it down the street with the taser.
In the morning, I work from home and my workload
has tripled as I live on my own with absolutely
no interruptions, don't have to chat idle chat. I start
about half an hour earlier than my start time and
finish up an hour later because I don't have to
rush home. I'm here. My bosses can see exactly what
I'm doing. And how much and totally blown away at

(26:17):
my output. It's a win win for the company and me. Well, congratulations,
that sounds great. But you know a lot of people
saying the idle chit chat isn't the idle chit chat
between you and other human beings the spice of life?
Isn't that a lot? I mean, I'm enjoy my chit
chat with my workmates.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, that's the I mean, that's a big dart of culture, right.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
I mean might not be great for public productivity, but
I love being interrupted by people. And Jetty yeah after
the mental health absolutely, Craig, welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (26:47):
Yeah, hi guys. Oh look, there's so much to and
pack from all that isn't really like There's so many
things I agree and disagree with. So I've worked from
home for the last three years and in a not
a hybrid environment, so it's just been killing working from home.
Now I can agree read with the some of the

(27:11):
things that were raised there about Yeah, it's quite easy
to you know, lay people off if you like, because
you're not dealing with them face to face. I think
that's possibly something that's occurred for me. So I was
with a company for two years and then due to
a few issues, they decided to just keep staff that

(27:32):
came to the office. And I can kind of understand
that I was working with a couple hundred kilometers away
from where the office was and it had only met
those people on one or two limited occasions. So I
think that has a bit of there's a bit of
common sense to that. As for people that are saying

(27:56):
people that are living that are working from home and
not productive, I disagree with that. It is you can
be really productive and the systems that are in place today,
if you're not product and you're not actually performing, that's
pretty evident really quickly. So I appropoo that that idea
a little bit. You can just sit there and click

(28:17):
your mouth if you're I'm.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Thinking about that episode. Do you remember that episode of
The Simpsons where Homer had that drinking chicken and it
was just pressing yes, yes, yes, ended up in a
complete nuclear powerpound mountdown.

Speaker 7 (28:31):
But yeah, yeah, So yeah, I think that realistically that
doesn't happen very much. Maybe in some roles, but none
that I've seen. Normally, you've got to be productive, You're
expected to perform to at least the Saint standards somebody
that's in the office, I have personally given away that.

(28:53):
And I'm starting a new job next week where I'm
going to be back in the office and yes, front
to front, And I made that decision purely based on
my own metal else.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
So the isolation wasn't good for you in the end, Craig, not.

Speaker 7 (29:14):
Really, Like I mean, I didn't did not enjoy what
I was doing. I quite enjoyed what I was doing,
but I just sort of eventually sort of got to
the point where I really miss human contact and getting
out with people, dealing with people face to face. It's
a lot more fun being sort of isolated. So it
wasn't a financial decision or a decision where I kind

(29:39):
of wasn't meeting targets or anything like that. It was
more just a yeah, for my own wellbeing. I think
it's important.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, I think every single study that you ever see
on it says that the more time humans spend with
other humans, the happier they are. And obviously there's outliers
that that that's not the case, but generally speaking, if
you're around other people, you feel better. And even that
politics in the back and forth, I mean, there's there's
been some discussion around unleashing your politics in the workplace

(30:07):
rather than that. So if you're angry at that a
hole at work, then you can come home and feel
more pleasant about your family. There's there's there's lots of
dynamics there. What do you think about the idea? Because
you know, it's been said that one of the reasons
why the Crusader's rugby team is so successful is because
they can live closer to the stadium. And when they

(30:28):
can live closer to where they practice, they can go
out to cafes together, and they can they can have
a community together, so they become more of a coheresive,
cohesive team as opposed to say the Blues, because it's
because the way Aucklands laid out, they all live in
different stubburbs. They come together to practice and then that's
that's it. They're off again. So do you think there's
something and being part of a team and being greater

(30:49):
than the sum of your parts, because because you're working
together in the big, big, big fight together, you know,
shoulder to shoulder.

Speaker 7 (30:58):
Look absolutely, I honestly think that, like I'd worked in
an environment for forty odd years where you're face to
face with you clients, you're face to face with your
team members, you dealt with everything, And I do honestly
think that this online environment of working from home is

(31:20):
really not that great for businesses because you miss that
problem solving capability a lot. It's sort of yes, you
have meetings where you have an online meeting with your
with people in the same field, but it's not the
same as dealing with day to day issues and going, hey,
we could actually resolve that quite quickly by just having

(31:41):
this quick this conversation between X amount of team members.
So yeah, I do think it's I don't think it's
great for businesses. I don't think it's if you're really
that great for anybody totally. There are positions where yes,
obviously just working from home, if you're just punching numbers
probably works great. But a lot of our businesses in

(32:04):
New Zealand we're very driven by forces that come in
and change on a day to day basis.

Speaker 11 (32:11):
So I agree with you.

Speaker 7 (32:13):
I think, yeah, the Crusader's analogy is probably a really
good one.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Well, Craig, thanks so much for your call and good
luck with your with your back into the workplace. We'd
love to hear how that how that turns out, You're
going to be a perfect position to make a comparison.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Love to hear your thoughts. Canon economy survive. With so
many people working home in Victoria, they're obviously going to
bring in a little next year. That makes it mandatory
for bosses.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
To allow people to work from home two days a week.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yeah, I mean that just that that is the posh,
you know what I mean. Maybe there's been Shannon had
a great argument before why she could work home and
it seems to work for her right. But if that
is the the posh from from Victoria, from the government there,
then I think that will have a massive effect. That
that is the vibe they want, That is the that
is the situation that there that they want to go ahead.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
So force businesses to do it. Yees.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
It is a quarter to to.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Have a chat with the lads.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
On eight hundred eighty ten eighty, Matt Heathen Tyler Adams
Afternoons News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Very good afternoon, due it is twelve to two. Having
a great discussion about working from home. This is a
good text Getty guys, great conversation about working from home
versus working from an office. I work for a company
which has offices around the country. They work from home
policy in Auckland in particular, has meant that the office
from Monday to Friday is pretty much deserted except for
a day when it's compulsory for people to come in.

(33:37):
The work culture has been completely decimated. I understand the
benefits of working from home, but I also understand the
importance of work culture. Work culture must come first, otherwise
what is the point of a company.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Companies need to do Tyler, Yes, Matt, they need to
bring back things like the drinks trolley. Oh yes, and
work drinks because at the same time, from you know,
when people have been starting to work home, it's the
same time when companies have started instigating anti work community policies. Yeah,
like shutting down work drinks and making it difficult to

(34:10):
have staff get togethers in the like. Right, bring back
the drinks trolley and you'll have more people coming in
on a Friday.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
We all love a Friday drink, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
One hundred and there used to be before your time, Tyler,
there used to be a drinks trolley at in radio.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
You used to man it, didn't you?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Whenever I could wiel that round about drinkings eating chips,
negative nancies you fellas. I am work from home and
work so hard. I live in a different city from
the company I work for, and I'm thankful they are
progressive thinkers. We have regular camera on teams, meetings, how
to account on work volume, and most of all are trusted.
In my previous role, I sat in traffic over two

(34:46):
hours a day, which would normally be a fifteen minute
trip each way. I walk into my office at home
and only leave to get a coffee, go to the loo,
or grab food to eat at my desk. As for
the idle chit chat, I get plenty of that on
teams with my workmates. Huge companies, so very varied. Benefit
for my company too is that I normally still work
when I'm sick. Stop downing on us with work from home.

(35:09):
As as we don't all slack off, some of us
have discipline. Christina, well, thank you very much for they
takes you sound like the ideal work from Homer.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Absolutely, Mitchell, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 15 (35:20):
Guys, I've got good, good, good good, I've got I've
just been sitting here getting exercised about this whole conversation
and how much oxygen has been wasted around this conversation.
So I've got a couple of I've got a couple
of thoughts. We've become such an entitlement community, human race,
with such an entitlement mentality.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 15 (35:40):
If you're selling your time and your skills to someone
that's paying you for that, I got the bad news
for you. You have got no entitlement. You know, if
you're told to work from if your job is to
work in the in the office, you work from the office.
Where where did where did where did this negotiation come
from that you can work from home. I just don't

(36:03):
understand that. And the hater is going to hate my comments, right,
But at the end of a day, if if I'm
paying you to do that job, if I'm paying you
for your services for your time, you work where I tell.

Speaker 16 (36:16):
You to work.

Speaker 7 (36:17):
You work when I tell you to work, and if.

Speaker 15 (36:19):
You don't like it, go and work somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Which is which is the interesting thing mitchill about this
legislation in Victoria it's not New Zealand, it's in Victoria.
But what what what's the exact wording of it. They're
mandating mandating that if they if workplaces can, then they
have to allow for people to work from home two
days a week.

Speaker 15 (36:37):
Absolutely ridiculous, Absolutely ridiculous. And I think at the end
of the day, you know, and if you start, if
you if you if you apply for a job and
you know what the terms of conditions are when you
when you apply for that job, then you abbide by
the terms of conditions. If you have to work from
the office, you work from the office.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
None of this.

Speaker 15 (36:55):
I want to work from home? Can I work from home?
You know, saving time on the bus and all that
kind of stuff. I think it's just ridiculous. At the
end of a dad, the employee calls the shots. If
you don't like you go work somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Yeah, nicely.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
See Matt did not man the drinks trolley back in
the day. I knew him back then. He mainly followed
around the drinks trolley drinking from it. To justify it.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yeah, truths out. I think we all knew that.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, with this intrumant, there's some truth in that.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
It is eight to two, oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighties. Another call.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
News talks'd be afternoon.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
It is five to two and we have been talking
about working from home. The Victorians have got a mandate
that any employee who can work from home is allowed
to two days a week.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Mitchell is wrong. If a company wants my skill set,
they need to meet my conditions around where, what and
how much. Once we agree, we stick to that contract. Yeah.
I mean that's good, good, you know, good point. It
depends what sort of power relationship you've got with your employee.
If they need you a lot, yeah, then you get
to make some conditions. But if they don't need you

(38:05):
that much and they think you're replaceable, then you probably
don't have the ability to make your working conditions.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yep, suit you exactly. It's a very good point.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
And that was the case, you know, not long after
COVID that employees had the power, and now I believe
that they probably don't.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
It's a tough market out there.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
All my friends that work from home say they're laughing
at their employeer visitors anytime stop when we want. Definitely
don't work as hard, no discipline, it's no brainer. Working
from business premises as far better and more productive.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Yep, and this one and get our guys.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
I have the perfect balance two days in the office
to work from home in one rostered day off. Hands down,
so much more productive at home. I hate the constant
interruptions and boring chit chat. I have a super super
busy job. Everyone his self is this, and I only
want to talk about themselves. It's tiring.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
I smash out two times the work in less time.
Keep up the good work.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Well, it's not happening in New Zealand. No as yet.

Speaker 17 (38:55):
Fet.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
The push here seems to be more towards getting people
back into the office. But in Victoria you're going to
mandate that's your employee must enable you to do two
days a week at home. Hey, just to head up,
heads up, guys, if you're working from home, then your
home is your employee's workplace. Regular h and s audits
need to be done at plants, tests and tag et cetera,
et cetera. Cheers, that's an HR consultant.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Wow, that's a lot of faffing about and a lot
of Edmond. Wow, sheep has got to know that.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Got to sit at your computer with a hard hat
on and am over's vest.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yeah, good luck, right, coming up after two o'clock. Is
getting a degree still worth it? Or is a trade?
The way to go? Love your thoughts. I eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Call talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor
Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
It'd be welcome back into the show.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Great to have your company is always, particularly on a Friday.
This is going to be an interesting discussion getting a
degree versus getting into the trade, which one provides more
financial stability in.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
The long run.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Great story this morning, and it appears, according to the
experts spoken to, that that balance or the equation has
started starting to shift more towards the trade.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, so at least you're getting paid kind of right
from the start. It reminds me of that game, the
Game of life. Do you play the Game of life?

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Yes, not for a long time, but I remember it.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
You had that choice where you're driving, you're going on
in your car and You could go through a degree
and you don't earn money for a while, but when
you come out the other end, you earn a lot
more money. Or you can go straight into work and
you're earning money then, and then you've got to decide
how that's going to work out by the end of
the game of life, right, it's right, Yeah, But it
seems that the university degree, now, if they're making the

(40:39):
game of life, that wouldn't be the guarantee. It wouldn't
be the guarantee that taking that detour for four years
on the game of life is going to end up
with you earning more money by the.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
End exactly one hundred and eighty ten eighty Is a
degree still worth it? Or is getting into a trade
a better way to go?

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah? And the big question, as seems to be across
everything these days, is AI and what jobs AI is
going to remove, because it would seem to me that
right now currently that the trades are less at risk
from AI.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
It feels that way that AI is coming in fast.
We all know that, and as it stands at the moment,
arguably the work that we can do mentally as human species,
AI is fast becoming very good at that, whereas trying
to build a robot to put your house together might
be a bit harder.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Well, twenty two thousand dollars a year, let's say, just
to pull a number out of my butt, twenty two thousand,
it's sa a year for a degree, yep, And university
maybe that takes you four years while someone else is
training and learning a skill that they can maybe start
a business with then and not knowing if the qualification

(41:48):
you're getting at university is just going to be wiped out.
I mean, if you look at say, let's just grab accountancy, law.
Even surgeons say, if you take law, you know we're
always going to probably going to need the upper end
of legal advice. But what about all the entry level
jobs that you get into a law firm that get
you to the top where you finally become a partner. Yeah,

(42:10):
you know a lot of that grunt work that needs
to be done is it can be done by AI.
So you get your degree and you don't even get
into the law firm, potentially.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
Harder to get foot on the door. And places speculating here.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Accountancy be another one, And what about degrees, medical degrees
all the way to becoming a surgeon. You know that's
going to take you a lot of years before you're
a surgeon. And by then are the robots just going
to be doing the surgery? Because we had to top
about this other day, and we say that some experts
are saying that full robotic surgeons will be better than

(42:45):
human controlled robotics surgery within ten years.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
There was a great shat and you're getting backed up
in your thoughts by Victoria and Auckland University Student Association
president lebarn Alli. So he said in this story, I quote,
in my opinion, there's a massive revolution coming in terms
of AI being able to do many things that human
beings can do, and a lot of those things will
be done better than AI. Aides aren't facing the same threat,

(43:09):
he added, with AI unable to do the work that
requires physical dexterity.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yet and yet, but they are saying right now that
getting a degree over your work life is currently earning
you about one point three million dollars more than no qualification,
and a trade is earning you eight hundred thousand more
than no qualification.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
Interesting calculations.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
So is that coming together? I mean, of course, the
thing with the trades right is how long can you work?

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (43:41):
Good point.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
These intellectuals sitting around are not doing the same damage
to their body.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
What's your thoughts? Is getting a degree still worth it?
Or is a trade the way to financial stability? Love
your thoughts? It is eleven past two.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
I've got an anthropology and a philosophy degree and I
use it.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Never your home of afternoon talk, Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons,
call eight hundred eighty news Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
News Talks. Here'd be very good afternoon to you. It
is fourteen past two.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
That's a pretty funny story about was to Peter's very funny.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
I was just saying to Matt, just reading it an
article that Winston Peters was invited on the VIP trip
for the new CRL, but there was a bit of
a standoff with one of the bosses of CRL over
the high Ver's jacket.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
He didn't want to put it on.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
So the boss of the CRL god and no wonder
it's blown out to five point five billion if he's
making someone wear a high vers jacket to ride on
a train.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
So the exchange was I quote from Peters and said,
what do I need to do that? This is not
a safety's own area. Peter's told him, well, it's just
for protection. Brockie, the CEO, replied, no, mate, I'm going
on a train, right, I'm not putting on stuff I
don't need. It's simply The retort was if we have
an incident in the tunnel or something like that, Minister no, No.
I used to be a ton of worker, so why
am I wearing it? He reluctantly ended up putting it on.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Well, Brocky, there you go. That's why it's five point
five billion. He's making people wear hivers vests as if
they're putting them on the train if there's any risk
at all. They're not going to take half the government
on the train if there's any risk.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
How's they're going to preteach you from rockfall? It's a vest.
It's a little little cotton hiver's vest.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Ah. That is that is embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
That is embarrassing Health and Safety gold Man, but a
great story, right, we aren't you?

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Winston sold out and did it would have been it'd
be more impressive. He said, right, just okay, I'm going on.
But then he would have been like, you know, because
he did he worked on the tunnels, didn't he?

Speaker 4 (45:39):
He did?

Speaker 2 (45:40):
You know they lost a man a mile who says.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
What tunnel did he work on? Someone?

Speaker 18 (45:44):
Or no?

Speaker 2 (45:45):
It was the Homer tunnel.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
Nine to nine two? Was that Home and tunnel?

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yeah? But you to be more impressive, he said, Okay,
I'm not going to ride on your silly train.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
Yeah, keep you a little train. I'll go back to
my office. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
How long is it before we all have to wear
safety vests on all public transport? No matter what.

Speaker 7 (46:02):
Right?

Speaker 3 (46:02):
We are talking about degrees versus getting into the trade.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
What is the best way to financial stability?

Speaker 2 (46:08):
As Texas says, the trades are sexist. As a woman,
I do not have the option to be a plumber
or a builder. All very well for you men. Only
trade for me would be a hairdresser, not great pay.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
He can be a yeah, and some lady plumbers out there.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
That's not true. There's lots of different trades. Brett, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 19 (46:27):
I got here, are you going?

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (46:28):
So I'm lucky enough to have done a trade at
a plumber degree in a master's and looking back, I'm
glad I've did.

Speaker 18 (46:35):
All of them.

Speaker 19 (46:36):
But I just to say when it comes to degrees,
there's different types of good degrees. You've got professional degrees
and just sort of general knowledge degrees like our previous
Prime minister or a Bachelor of whatever it was communication,
not really employable anywhere I supposing messian politics. But if
you do a professional degree someone like you know, an architect,
qs engineer, a doctor, you have a professional body belonged

(46:57):
to and you've got some continual learning and you can
and you have a vocation you can go to. Whereas
a general degree such as a Bachelor of Communication, you know,
you don't really have that many options, and maybe they're
not worth it. Maybe you should look at that and
think about being a plumber. A drain layer actually would
be quite.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Good, yes, isn't it, Because in this discussion we're just
going like for like trades versus university. But there's a
whole different, very different. I mean, my degree in philosophy
didn't have a direct path into any kind of unemployment.

Speaker 19 (47:28):
And then and often you end up with a huge,
huge student loan and then with an ovocation to go
into a no career path. And that's that's probably a
little bit silly really, Whereas you know, if you don't
sound like a Bachelor of Aviation or something like that,
at least you have a career path, a huge loan
you come out the other end of it, but you
will have an opportunity to actually find a job. We
are actually employable, Whereas if you come out of at

(47:49):
b COM maybe a BA or something like that, you
don't really have a direction you can go to and
actually actually be employable. You're going to be retrained by
your employer to be usable.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
For it that way.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Yeah, that's right. There's no clinic when I've been able
to hang my degree on the wall and charge people
to do anything. So you're heavily educated, Brett. So, so
tell us about your your your trade and your degree
in everything that you did.

Speaker 19 (48:15):
So I did a trade in horticulture, then when overseas
many years, came back and did a diploma and landscape
design their landscape architecture, and then in a postgrad in
a master's and project management. So I was lucky to
be able to very lucky to have that that that path.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
And whereabouts have you ended up working?

Speaker 19 (48:35):
I'm a consultant project manager now so do projects so so.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
You know, you know the whole thing from the bottom up.

Speaker 18 (48:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (48:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (48:42):
I was also involved in the student union movement many
years ago, and I did always say to people, you know,
choose choose a path that you actually has a has
a vacation out of it.

Speaker 15 (48:50):
Don't and even you know it's.

Speaker 18 (48:53):
Whatever you do.

Speaker 19 (48:54):
Choose a path, that there is a path looking forward,
that there is some sort of work.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
It's a really bit of professional It's really hard to
tell kids that though, because they go to university and
it's almost a stop gap. It's almost like a situation
where they don't have to decide to join the real
world yet, so they'll do I don't know, I'm just
psychology or history or I don't know, me anthropology and philosophy,
just to studies, just because you know, your brain isn't formed,

(49:24):
functioning enough to actually think about the future. You think
you're just going to be able to cruise for the
rest of your life. So yeah, I mean it's hard
to get into that mindset. Obviously you were able to
do it, but for some it's hard to get into
the mindset of doing something for your future when you're
eighteen years old.

Speaker 19 (49:41):
I think a lot of kids don't actually get told that,
and you don't have to, you know, say I'm going
to be a doctor for the rest of my life
or it's a bad example, but and a doctor, you know,
a doctor, take a doctor. Where they start out where
they finish is very different. And a lot of you know,
a lot of study is that you start somewhere and
you don't know where you're going to go with the future,

(50:02):
but you're going to start something. At least have a
goal at the end of it and say, well, look,
I'm going to do, you know, a Bachelor of horticulture
and I want to learn to do genetics on trees
or something, you know, and have a goal where you
want to go. That's that's probably and you're not going
to you may not stay there for your whole career,
but at least you've got some direction. But whereas if

(50:22):
you go to union and you go a Bachelor of
Comms or whatever, and then you're finish and go, oh,
what am I going to do? I'm going to get
a job, get a job and want a dress shop,
or get a job and a plumbing merchant or what
you know, just just I think I've always said, have
a path in front of you, something you want to do.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
It was to record I think stratting to record stores
for me after my anthropology degree.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
That sounds fun.

Speaker 19 (50:43):
It just sounds really really good.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
It sounds hey. So just just a question for you, Bretts.
So because with your career path, obviously you're off the
tools though, and one thing about the trades is if
you stay on the tools, then it does terrible things
to your body and you may struggle to keep working
into your late fifties and sixties. So even if you're
in a trade, would you suggest that you also have

(51:06):
a path to move out the other end in end
of the actual physical side of it.

Speaker 19 (51:11):
You raise a really good question, and there's not There
is a few old builders around, but it really is hard.
You know, if they're talking about raising the retirement age
to say sixty seven, I wouldn't know many builders who
can be sixty seven and working doing on the tools.
But there is other jobs that they can do, but

(51:32):
it's a it's really tough, you know, plumber, electrician, up
and down ladders, climbing and roofs and stuff like that.
It's not it's not a not a not an old
person's job, so you know, that needs to be thought
about as well. So on the trades, the good guys
they set up their own businesses and you move into
you know, having their own companies and having guys.

Speaker 18 (51:53):
Working for them.

Speaker 19 (51:53):
That's that's good, but it's still you know, if beyond
the tools, it's pretty tough.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Yeah, listening to both of you guys, just having a chat.
The one of the benefits of going to university is
not just the degree, is it. It's the networking that
you can do or those relationships that you form and
some of the lessons that you learn in the good
times for the first couple of years. But there is
a benefit to that. And I know a lot of
people that went to university formed great relationships set up businesses.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
So there is that element as well.

Speaker 19 (52:20):
Absolutely, especially it's like a b comm or something like
a bachelor business or that you have that path. You
get that general business business knowledge and that's that's good.
But yeah, yeah, I saw be If you're going to
go and set up your own business, that's that's great.
But how many people do b comms and bas and
don't know what they're doing. They finish and don't do anything.

(52:42):
There's probably a lot more of those than people go
and set up businesses and run their own own stuff.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yeah, thanks so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Brett Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. How do you feel about a degree versus
getting straight into the trade?

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Love to hear your thoughts, Patty from the BCITO. This
is what he said on that. If you look around
the country, how many Sparky's builders and plumbers own their
own businesses.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
That is a very good point, a lot of them.
It is twenty three past two back in the moth.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talks.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
I'd be afternoon twenty five past two, and we have
been discussing degrees versus getting straight into the trade, which
is the pathway to provide better financial stability This dances.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Guys only do a degree if it's required by the
job eg. Medicine, engineering or law. Anything else is a
waste of time to bubba uh with ai is going
to make you redundant.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
There, thank you very much for the head text that
kind of Yeah, Dan lost his way in the inn.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
Maybe that was written by Ai.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Rob.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
How are you matey today? How you doing very good?
And what's your take?

Speaker 21 (53:53):
I think in the short term. Look, so just putting
it out there. Not everyone has the academics to be
able to go out and study and do all the
paperwork involved in getting a degree. I certainly wasn't one
of them. Bit of a class clown on but excellent
on tools. So you kind of have to find your
way in that sense. Not every diploma holder can hang

(54:17):
doors in a house or put a roof on or
connect plumbing, so we all have a natural ability in
an area, so you kind of have to find that way.
So telling people that know, like, oh, there's a trade
better than a diploma, Well, it depends on your actual
personal skill set.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Do you think that? Do you think New Zealand as
a whole, Rob, do you think New Zealand as a
whole Over the last let's say twenty thirty years, has
had this massive push that university is the way people
should go and that's the optimum path if you can
get there.

Speaker 21 (54:52):
Oh, I've been since I left school, you know, I've
just been in the trades. And I'll tell you what,
I've never worked for another trade. Only diploma holders seem
to employ trades. So I would always say that the
short term financial burden of a diploma probably is in

(55:13):
the in the small market, in the small time span.
Is it just a small price to pay for the
more financial gain you're going to get in the future,
you know?

Speaker 17 (55:24):
So do you?

Speaker 2 (55:24):
So you know you and you're an employee of your
employer of other people.

Speaker 21 (55:30):
I am an employee. Yeah, so unless so, there's a
couple of things, you know, like if you've got the
ability and the drive to be like, right, I'm going
to do this trade, I'm going to start my own business,
which I started contracting myself as a carpenter. But it's
hard going, man, Like there's a lot of risk involved

(55:52):
in undertaking your own business or the liability, finding staff,
finding jobs, securing jobs.

Speaker 11 (55:58):
You know.

Speaker 21 (55:58):
The people don't do renovations when there's a financial bit
of like it, well, maybe we won't spend five hundred
thousand dollars in a renno this year.

Speaker 13 (56:05):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 21 (56:06):
So, yeah, it there's that in itself. But I just
kind of feel that long like, in the long run,
like I'm going to be on the tools. Man, I've
got another twenty five years of on the tools to go,
and my body's already saw you know.

Speaker 22 (56:21):
Yeah, so that's got a long way to go.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
And what do you do at that point?

Speaker 3 (56:26):
You know, when if the body breaks down too much
and you just can't do the physical work anymore, rob
do you worry about where you go from there?

Speaker 2 (56:33):
That?

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Do you start looking at at building that skill set
now or or do you wait until your body breaks down?

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (56:41):
No, one hundred percent. As I said, like, I've already
I've already tried to start getting out and starting my
own businesses and stuff like that. But it's actually really
hard to like to get traction and stuff. And obviously
I've got a mortgage and I've got a family and
all that sort of stuff. So it's this financial like
line that you have to you know, like, man, you know,
how much do I want to put myself in debt

(57:03):
to hopefully get the business running?

Speaker 13 (57:07):
You know, so you've.

Speaker 21 (57:10):
Got if you can do it in the short term,
like if you go out straight out from school you
get a diploma and all that sort of stuff. Yes,
you have the rest and all that sort of stuff
of carrying your student loan, but it's a student loan
and you can pay it off nice and slowly and
all that sort of stuff where you can find work
in your jobs. And if you are a talented diplomber holder,
you might start your own firm, or you might segue

(57:30):
up and keep going and going in that sort of thing,
or managing other branch or something, do you know what
I mean? So it all depends on the person whether
you've got the drive to make it more than what
you start as.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Yeah, thank you so much, Rob. Absolutely this Texas is
go to any boat ramp in Auckland on the weekend.
There are tradees enjoying a good work life balance, whilst
the university equals are paying off years of debt. As
an intern earn as you learn as a trade no debt.
Cheers Andy training too.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
Have some nice boats.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
You do see a lot of trades out on the water.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
Nice UITs too.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Four o'clock on a Friday.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
Yeah, it's good life. Yeah. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is another to go. Headlines with Wendy coming.

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Speaker 3 (59:32):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we are talking about
getting a degree versus going straight into the trade. A
lot of experts are saying the calculations are starting to
change lean more towards trade in terms of financial strategy.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Speaking of experts as a person that's tested through that
thinks they're an expert, I'm going to nineteen Yeah, good one. Guys,
push for the dumbing down of the country, more right
wing tradees listening to Joe Rogan all day. We would
hate to have smart people learning things, wouldn't we so
they can lead us in sensible directions. Hand the world
over to the meat heads. Smart plan guys. It's the
idiocracy that you keep talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Wow, what atext? I mean trade? How do you feel
about that? You're a meat head? Apparently? What's wrong with
Joe Rogan? He's all right sometimes trade.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
He's all a bunch of right wing people running around
listening to Joe Roagan. I think, I don't know Reagan.
Joe Rogan's pretty right wing. I think if you think
Joe Rogan's right, when you might have been just listening
to the press rather than listening to Joe Rogan exactly
eighty ten eighties a number to call, Hey, Simon, your
thoughts did well?

Speaker 22 (01:00:33):
Ratheris their last sex. It's an interesting to bake that one.

Speaker 11 (01:00:39):
You know.

Speaker 22 (01:00:39):
I left school just before I turned eighteen and went
into the trade and automotive and that got my qualification.
I was always didn't I was like any most other
sort of eighteen year olds at that time and didn't
really have one hundred percent idea what I wanted to
do with my life. But I was always told that
the trade was was a good start and a good
thing that you could fall back on should things like

(01:01:00):
what's going on at the moment. It was tossy for
economic times and you know, and point him unemployment being
where it is. It's always it's good to have something
to all back on should should employment opportunities not come
your way. But I've could of did that for a
little while and then and then went on and now
I'm studying part time doing my bachelor's business to to

(01:01:21):
sort of I guess upskill and sort of move into
into different areas and that's the kind of stuff, and
now working as just as a people manager. But it's
interesting sort of that first caller was talking around, I
guess two sort of strains of study. I mean, I've
got a couple of friends that did the university degrees.
One's done a geo technical degree and the other's done

(01:01:42):
something to do with microbiology, and one of them is
working as a barrista and the other one can't get
a job. So I mean, it's sort of it's certainly
not not you know, one or the other is certainly
as a last fall of it. Certainly depends on what
kind of person you are and what you look for.
But yeah, I don't know about that last week. Certainly
doesn't really know what's going on in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I don't think sounds a pretty sneaky person. Yeah, sometimes
I'd like to see what these people look like because
the person wearing a bow tie.

Speaker 22 (01:02:20):
I don't really see a lot of society or benefit
coming out of people who go and do the good
sort of really smart degrees and that kind of thing,
but then can't get a job and can't actual the
action of the knowledge of learns at university.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Do you think, though, with university or the trades, a
lot of it does come down to the person. So
you say you do your trades and then you do
Bachelor of Business. So you're always looking for a way
to maximise, right, So you know, you could start off
and maybe you've done a I don't know what's someone
that's coming to theater studies degree, but then you're the
kind of person that then starts a theater and starts

(01:02:55):
a business. You know what I mean? That certain people
can find a pass no matter where they start.

Speaker 22 (01:03:02):
Yeah, well, I guess it just comes down to direction
at the end of the day. I mean it's sort
of I certainly struggle on a personal level. It's, you know,
eighteen and coming to the India schooling life and you've
got to make this big decision about what you want
to do with the rest of your life. And it's
a pretty big decision to go and drop one hundred
thousand dollars on a degree on when you're not one
hundred percent sure that's what you want to do. So
why not go into a trade? You know, it's one

(01:03:24):
of those situations, but it's a skill that you'll have
and you know, being a homeowner and that now myself,
it's one of those situations where well, now I've got
this trade and not necessarily that automotive degree is going
to help much and fixing my house, but it's certainly
maintaining my cars a lot cheaper. And it's one of
those situations that you know, these skills, they don't just
develop that particular skill, but they're working them as industries.

(01:03:46):
They develop you as a person in your sort of
your own sort of I guess life skills as well.
You know that going to university. I'm sure never been
the university myself, so I can't comment on what sort
of life skills that develops other than a heavy drip
bus drinking culture. But it's one of those situations where
going and working in a trade. Look, you've got to
budget from eighteen, you've got a full time wage, you've

(01:04:06):
got to deal with and have the sort of responsibilities.
That's a good teaching opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Yeah, thank you, Simon. Well, to be honest, I did
enjoy the heavy bunch drinking culture when I was at university.
That was the primary focus, to be honest. Yeah, so
I'll be interested actually because a bunch of people are
texting through and saying that it's sexist because women don't
have the opportunity to go into the trades. So I'd
like to hear if you're if you're female, you've been

(01:04:34):
in the trades one hundred eighty ten eighty nine two
nine two. I mean there's all kinds of trades. I
mean people just talk about trades and they go, you know, electrical, building, plumbing,
et cetera. But there's lots of different trades out there.

Speaker 11 (01:04:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Absolutely, If that's you, love to hear from you. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call
back very shortly. It is twenty one to three.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
A fresh take on talk back. It's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty us talk there'd.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
Be eighteen to three.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
So there's been a lot of pushback on a particular
TIGS that was read out by you man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Yeah that's right, are you? Yeah? Good one. Guys push
for the dumbing down of the country more right wing trades,
listened to Joe Rogan. We would hate to have smart
people learning things so they can lead us in sensible directions,
hand the world over to the meat Head's good plan idiocracy.
As you keep saying I do. But when I say, actually,
I'm talking about the Might Judge movie. Yeah, starring Terry Crews.

(01:05:35):
Trades are the new professionals. Plenty make awesome careers of
being a trade Plus, a good trading is just as
useful as a good doctor. You go, Yeah, boys coming through.
What a load of utter rubbish that ladies can't be tradees.
I've worked in engineering for the last twenty years and
the woman I've worked with across the trades are brilliant.
It's not the bloody nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
Fifty nicely said Jennifer, What a load.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Of There goes the same thing, what a load of bs.
Women have just as much opportunity as guys to get trades.
Open your eyes and go and do some research. My
son's school had a career and from what I saw,
girls have equal opportunity where trades are concerned. Yeah, Greg,
wasn't us that's opened eyes. I was reading a text out, Greg,
you have.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
It to the text. Yeah, we're just reading out the
opinion of one person.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
That I was in a number of other textas saying
that that sexist for us to be talking about the
trades when when women can't get into the trades, it
doesn't seem doesn't seem the case, Lisa, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 20 (01:06:31):
Hello, Hi, I really like your show. I keep ringing in.

Speaker 23 (01:06:35):
All the time.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
That's what we like.

Speaker 14 (01:06:39):
Vell.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
That's okay, Well, we always loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
We always love to hear from you, Lisa.

Speaker 20 (01:06:45):
I really liked your comment about you know, doing philosophy
because I did a philosophy degree. Well, I kind of
did two papers, and I got pissed. I was so young.
I went to strict girl still and I went to
UNI and did lots of good sun stuff, and I
went to one lecture, got absolutely passed three lecture and
we have a season. My student phones and came back

(01:07:10):
five years at more mature. Now I've got three degrees.
So what I want to say is that I really
think you're right around maturity. It boils down to your
maturity level, what you're ready to study, you know, having
a bit of life experience. And I think these kids

(01:07:32):
are going to union, they don't really know what they
want to do for them do what some doing something.
My son's doing architecture. He always knew it was going
to be an architect. My daughter is doing nursing. But
you can't pick up a dog poos. So I'm like,
what the heck. So it really just depends on Yeah,
you're the person, maturity levels and what you what you

(01:07:53):
feel your strings do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
You do you agree with what I was saying Lisa
that and it sounds like you had a great time
at university, and so did I, But I don't know
if it was productive. It was fantastic. But looking back now,
and I think this is true of a lot of
young people, it's just you can't decide. You're not quite
ready to go into the workforce, you're not quite ready
to grow up. So it's just it's almost I'll find

(01:08:15):
something to do with the UNI so I don't have
to make a decision for a while. I'll run up
a massive student loan. Sure, but you're so young at
the point you don't even imagine paying anything off you
sign up to the student loan, you don't even think
about it, and it's just a way to not really
join the world yet exactly.

Speaker 20 (01:08:33):
I think you're also if you've been through a strict
parenting or quite a strict school, and then you've studied
for all that all those years, and then you haven't
really had much life experience, and then study UNI and
you don't know how to handle money. You've got no
money sent so yeah, yeah, I think it depends on
the person though, because some people are word like me
and you maybe some people are more mature, but you know, yeah,

(01:08:55):
that's my end, is my take on it. And I
think sometimes you just need to go and do dumb
shit and then you know, figure it all out, and
then when you find that you need to do something,
you'll probably figure it out.

Speaker 16 (01:09:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Well, one of my friends didn't go to university, just
stayed at home with his parents and just had the
whole drinking and partying university life without getting it. He
just wasn't enrolled. He'd come down and meet us for
lunch every day in the court when we'd hang out,
and then he'd go back and he's ended up been
quite successful. He didn't get a degree, so he didn't
do it in the world. He just but he got
all the culture of university without going to a single lecture.

Speaker 20 (01:09:29):
Some people start this is absolutely no qualification at school
or no degree, and they end up becoming multimillionaire. So
I think it depends on the person. I think it
depends on im maturity. I think it depends on so
many factors that yeah, I was just laughing at your
philosophy degree.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Yeah. Well, when I when I wrote a book on
philosophy the audio books right now, it's sort of a
philosophical book. I said that I did a degree and
didn't learn a single thing from for to help me
with this book from my philosophy degree, because at university
doesn't really teach you lessons for life in philosophy. Like
the idea of philosophy is to to stand how to

(01:10:08):
cope with life. It's some guidance for your life, right,
But university philosophy doesn't teach you that. It just you
end up arguing about what with the venus is the north?
The morning Star and the evening Star are the same
thing and just semantics. Yeah, anyway, Lisa, always love your
love to talk to you, and thank you so much
for listening. And I do hope you are addicted to
the show.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Thank you very much. That was a great line from Lisa.
Sometimes you just got to do dumb shit. I could
see that on a bumper, Yeah, bumper sticker. Yeah, I
mean it's quite right, that is true.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Yeah, yeah, And you can come back from a certain
amount of years of doing dumb shit. You just can't
come back from twenty years of doing dumb shit. Matt
and Tyler. Nothing wrong with trades. Listening to Joe Rogan
coming from a university educated female, I work with trades
all the time, smartest people have ever met. They get
what is going on in the real world, and Joe
Rogan might be helping. Haha. That's from Marie.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
Thank you, Marie sixt right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
We think we've got time for Ruben. Actually, before we
get to play some messages. Get a Reuben o, kiddo,
how are you guys doing good? And what's your thought
about universus trade.

Speaker 18 (01:11:12):
We'll start. I'm a two time union dropout, current university student,
twenty four, probably the youngest person ever call up on
news storks they'd me, but I just quickly wanted to
denounce that text that came through. And it's easy for
both sides actually to flog off and say that the others,

(01:11:32):
you know, dumb, brash tradees and you've got, you know,
these fancy elitist university students. The end of the day,
we're all just trying to make something of our lives.
I just want to say that really quickly. But I
have good experience making poor financial decisions with university. I
did half a law degree and dropped out because all

(01:11:55):
I wanted to do at the time was go to
ski trips in the university ski club. I came back
with maturity now doing urban planning at Auckland UNI, and
coming back is a bit older.

Speaker 11 (01:12:07):
I know.

Speaker 18 (01:12:08):
You tell fellow younger students, we're all eighteen nineteen for
the most part. To be honest, if you're not sure
you want to be here right now, don't bother go
out and live your life. Don't make the mistake I did,
wasting time doing something that you didn't really want to
do in the first place.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
It'smart Man.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
So how far through the law degree were you when
you dropped out, Rubin? I was halfway through, so that's
what two years. Yeah, so you've got third year, so
you've got through legal system, so you know the first
year actually, so you're originably focused in the first year
to get into second year.

Speaker 16 (01:12:42):
Yes.

Speaker 18 (01:12:43):
I was a pretty decent student as well. I just
couldn't hack the work ethic at the time was my problem.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Yeah. Yeah, And so would you ever considered like knocking
off the second the final two years of it.

Speaker 18 (01:12:56):
It's funny I think about that every day because I'm
pretty much at the exact same point of my current degree.
What decisions should I make right now? And I think
to myself sometimes, you know, do I I mean every day,
I'm basically at a balancing point. Do I give up
and run away? Do I quit and join my mates
trade company? Do I go back to law? It's all

(01:13:18):
a lot, and to be honest, given like sort of
current economic conditions and the outlook, it's a bit bleak.
It feels all a bit bleak, and it makes you
wonder what's really the point of continuing anything. You're just
getting a happy van and go go live in the
bush somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Sometimes you know, yeah, what sounds like you're a deep thinker, Reuben.
But I got to say, I mean, you know, when
you start a degree like you did with law, it's
hard to see that thirty thousand dollars per year is
real money when it jumps on a student loan. You know,
I've been there, I've got a massive student loan, and
it's very difficult to see that is actual money at
the time.

Speaker 18 (01:13:51):
Absolutely, I think the main thing is I think the
degree itself only costs about eighty ten thousand yet it's
the living cost when you're a broach student and you're
borrowing two hundred and three hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
A week and scheme to be done as well.

Speaker 18 (01:14:06):
Absolutely, my mother absolutely would up into me for wasting
the government's money, is what she was.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
It a good season.

Speaker 18 (01:14:15):
That particular year was great, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
I mean, the thing is, you're just not in that
position in life, when you're that age to make those
kind of decisions. You see a student loan and because
you don't even think about the future, you don't even
think about three weeks from now, well, you think about
what you're going to do on Wednesday night, which a
student go out night, or Thursday or Friday. You know,
the idea that this money that you're borrowing, borrowing is
something you have to pay back. For a lot of people,

(01:14:41):
if you're an idiot eighteen year old like me, I
never thought about it. I didn't even There wasn't even
a second when I was signing student loan stuff that
I thought that I'd be paying it back. I didn't
think about that at all. I thought great money, this
is this is fantastic.

Speaker 18 (01:14:53):
At the time when I first went to UNI, there
was first years free and that was actually that was
low key a blessing because it meant that to what
what about an extra ten k on? But thankfully I
didn't have to pay for that. Obviously I understand that's
not changed last year three if I'm not mistaken, but
which it's probably a better incentive to continue studying. Well

(01:15:14):
many but as you say, most people probably don't even
really think too hard about any of the money that
they're signing up for in the first place.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Yeah, until they're about thirty three and they go, god
damn it now. But Ruben, the thing is, when you're
twenty four, like you are, you start to think, boy,
I'm getting old. I need to make some decisions. And
when you get a bit older, you think I was
twenty four, My whole anything, the whole world was open
to me to make mistakes and do things. So, you know,
enjoy your twenties.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
You sound like a smart guy, and I feel like you,
and it is try to see deep thinker. So I think,
I think you'll make the right decisions and I think
you'll go very well in life.

Speaker 20 (01:15:47):
Buddy, appreciate that.

Speaker 10 (01:15:49):
Well.

Speaker 18 (01:15:49):
One of the reasons I studied and planning was to
get people like you who call the city railing a
city little train to realize what amazing things we can
do with amazing city as well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Look, I don't know if I said it was a
silly lit I think it's a very cool thing. I
think my thing is we needed to build it in
the nineteen fifties. That would be great.

Speaker 18 (01:16:09):
Yes, we can't go back in time, so we have
to do things. Get me started on the trap, great call.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
New Zealander, got a play some messages when we come back.
We'll get to a few more of your stories. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to call
it seven.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
To three, the issues that affect you, and a bit
of fun along the way. Mad Heath and Taylor Adams
afternoons news talks'd be.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
It is four to two three.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
I have to say this is text. So this is
all a bit silly and academic. If you want to
be a lawyer, you need a law degree. Simple. If not,
do something else back is the best option? The trades
or UNI probably depends on the person and the course
and the commitment. But one thing we can all agree
on after this hour. I think around this issue is
that the person who sent this text is a noob. Yeah,

(01:17:00):
good one. Guys, push for the dumbing down of the country,
more right wing trades. Listening to Joe Rogan, we would
hate to have smart people learning things, so you can
lead to us some sensible directions. Hand the world over
to the Meathheads smart plan idiocracy. As you say, I
think we can all join together and hold hands and
agree that that person who sent that text in as

(01:17:21):
a dickhead.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
No of the week, Yeah, absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Coming up after three o'clock, what is the best live
event to be a spectator at? This is going to
be a good chat after you commentated a dance event.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Yeah, that's right. Also the New Zealand of the week?
Who will it be?

Speaker 24 (01:17:36):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
That is coming up very soon. New Sporting Weather on
its way grade have your.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
Company your new home?

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Are instateful and entertaining Talk. It's Mattie and Taylor Adams
afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Sebby Welcome back into the show. It is seven past three.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
It so Friday Session. We put behind the serious chat
about where we work and what are we going to
do with our careers and what's happening with the economy
and have a bit of fun for the last fifty minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Yeah, let's have some fun, happy hour, let's call it there,
because this is going to be a absolutely great discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Actually, I've been having a lot of fun out there
for Ethan Stills going away. Yes, there's a little chips
out there.

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
Well you're into the old what do they call them?

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Cheeseballs.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
I haven't had a cheese ball for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Balls inspected, Yeah nicely.

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
Yeah they were tasty balls.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Great cheese balls out there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Absolutely right, this is going to be a fantastic chat.
What is the best live live event to be expectator at?
This was after you were a commentator for quite a
great event.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
That's right. Yeah. I was in seeing and commentating the
Savory Grand Slam twenty twenty five Darts Championship last night.
It was a fantastic events at the what is it
called that big shed down the bottom of town, massive event.
It was me g Lane, my good buddy, and Ben
big Rig Rob who's a champion darts person, And it

(01:19:02):
got me thinking as the crowd was jumping up and
down and everyone was in costumes, there was dancing on
the stage. I just got me thinking, is darts the
best live entertainment in the world. I mean, it was
a fantastic we run event. I mean, I'm sure you
could ever poorly run darts event. This is the savory
people ran this event phenomenally and you know, we had

(01:19:23):
Brazilian dancers on stage all with us, and it was
it was just great and really great technology. I was
worried I was going to have to count out the numbers,
but the cameras and the computers were counting up the
numbers for me, which was bloody buddy great. But it
got me thinking, is that the best event you can
go to? It's it's easy to follow this skill, there's pace.
But you know what's better is going to the league?

(01:19:46):
Going to league and it mount smart? Is that is
that better? The football, rock, concerts, band, symphony orchestras. I've
got mates that think symphony orchestras are the greatest things
in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
You know for some people that the UFC, Yeah, UFC,
you've been there. I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Being close to the ring at UFC is one of
the most intense things experiences of my life. Just having
someone get their absolute crew feeding out of them a
couple of meters in front of you is quite intense.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
Yeah, and what was the crowd like bowling?

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Screaming, Yeah, yelling right, screaming, but having a good time,
well behaved. Yeah. You know, there's lots and lots of
options out there of events you can go to. But
what is the best event and why? What is the
funnest thing to buy a ticket to and go to?
And why? I went to the Full Metal Orchestra the
other day, the symphony thing. Yep, that was bloody great.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Great things about that from you and others? Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty, what is the best live event?
To be a spectator rat? What have you gone to
that you said? Yep, this is you can't do better
than that. Love to hear your thoughts. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call, But
right now it is ten pas three.

Speaker 25 (01:20:53):
Every Friday on Matt and Tyler afternoons on z B
we name the new Zealander of the Week and honor
that we bestow on your behalf to a newsmaker who's
had an outsized effect on our great and beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
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So, without further ado, the nominees for Matt and Tyler
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young Kewies achieve their best. It was such a cock
up not even its architects are coming out to support it.
Would it kill us to tell the kids the truth,
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(01:22:41):
a dog in our beautiful country, there is a great
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The best of these people will even pick up the
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Speaker 26 (01:22:59):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Take it away, howie, Just don't put them in a
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(01:23:32):
Colin's good point.

Speaker 27 (01:23:33):
If good listen what a goodpool you are on him?

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
Man Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
News talk Zby afternoon it is a quarter past three.
What is the best live event to be a spectator at?
There's some great cools and texts coming through. Oh, eight
hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Hey, guys, I reckon the best live events that either
stand up comedy or boxing. Have a great weekend, some
great comedy on this weekend. Theon. Yeah, I went to
see Mark normand over at the Bruce Mason Center on
the North Shore a couple of weekends ago on Sunday,
my favorite US comic and boy, oh boy, did I
laughed until my ribs were sore.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
That's hard.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
It's hard to be but a poor standard comedian is
probably more painful than nearly anything.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
Can be pretty tough to sit through. Yeah, absolutely sues.
How are you?

Speaker 19 (01:24:28):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:24:28):
Good boys? I wrote in because I was lucky enough
to go to Sirk Sleet in Auckland. It was absolutely
amazing and there was even a guy because of a real
athletes and it was the Michael Jackson thing. So even

(01:24:49):
though I found a lot older, I'm not I knew
all the words, but it was just amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
And what was the dislay theme when you went Michael Jackson?
Oh yeah, sorry you did say that.

Speaker 8 (01:25:04):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's all right, but yes, it was
an amazing thing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
But I would love to go to the dance so
with Sleigh. So you've got Michael Jackson, what was happening?
In it with there's people swinging around on trapezs as well.

Speaker 8 (01:25:20):
Yeah, there was even a guy in a wheelchair and
he was doing amazing sort of athletic feats. They do
they Oh yeah, there's a bit of magic, of course,
and a lot of dancing and music. And the band
I believe that they were Kiwi guys. They were awesome.
It was just the whole place was rocking.

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
Love it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
We can hear the excitement in your voice too. So
you absolutely go again if it Winning Earth it came
to town.

Speaker 8 (01:25:48):
Yes, yes, I would absolutely. It was really good.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
Yeah, I love it, Sir a silayh Test, I got
some good things. I've never been myself, but I'd love
to if it Nicks comes to town.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
When I was when I was in Las Vegas recently,
I saw they had a beatle suit to salet. I
think they've got all coinds, haven't They've got basically every
flavor of suit to slay you can possibly imagine.

Speaker 8 (01:26:11):
Yes, all right, they do.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Okay, I agree with Homer Simpsons who called it suit
suit to so lame.

Speaker 4 (01:26:18):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
You know, Home is right about some things and wrong
about others.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
He's a tough a tough critical at Homer get.

Speaker 27 (01:26:24):
A tim you get a yeah, ap, you're into some
man stuff and you're into cars and each other. You've
got the New Zealand Superstocks Teams champs each cheerheld at
Palms North beginning of February. Yep, barely for money.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Right, and I have not been so when did you say?

Speaker 27 (01:26:43):
It wasn't January beginning of February every year Palms the North.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Oh, how good? And how many times? How many times
have been.

Speaker 27 (01:26:52):
Been for I used to go all the time years ago,
but I haven't been for a few years now. But
you have to be a new early to get tickets.
It sells there pretty quick.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Yeah, and there you go.

Speaker 27 (01:27:03):
So you're in your other speedway events or any class
that's running our championships like a New Zealand title or
a North of South ISLD title on all the classes.
They're also quite good value for money.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Yeah, and what do you think of the whole Western
Spring situation? Just open a can of worms.

Speaker 27 (01:27:24):
Yeah, well, I've never been here because I'm in Wellington,
so I can't can't go. There's too far away. But yes,
it's it's not good. It's good to sort of let
them get their foot in the door. Doesn't that these
counsels are you need raining in anyway?

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Yeah? All right about a bunch of turning left and
smashing into people. I love it. Thank you so much
for your call to them.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Yeah, there's a lot of fans of the old Superstocks
out there in a couple for the off speedway as well.
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number of call.
What is the best live event to be a spectator?

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
App Malca's last Saturday at the Grand AFL.

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
Final, Yeah, that would have been something.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
AFL is quite a sport. When I was in Brisbane,
I went along to an AFL game and I was like,
this makes sense. It's it's you know, if you don't
know the rules, it seems like a bunch of idiots
kicking too many people on the field, kicking around rugby
ball and short shorts and single it's a lot of
running around on a cricket field. Yeah, and it just
feels like it's an invention to use a cricket feel
in off season. But once you start to know the

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rules and you watch it live, it is a fantastic spectacle.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Insane athletes. I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. It is twenty past.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Three Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZVY.

Speaker 4 (01:28:41):
Afternoon twenty two pass three.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
What is the best live evant to be a spectator
at so I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the numbered call.

Speaker 4 (01:28:48):
So many good techs coming.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Through, a lot of support for the Superstocks, The Superstocks,
Team Champs is value for money and the Team Champs
and Parmi Atmosphere is unreal. Look at it on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Okay, well, hey there's a sit to Sali. The next
one is coming in Auckland on October November this year.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
Good time. Susan will be very happy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
So happy you can go back mark what do you
think is the best entertainment the best event you can
go to?

Speaker 6 (01:29:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:29:17):
Gooday, guys, great show mate. About over thirty years ago,
I played three seasons of rugby in Toronto and my
wife and I were very lucky to get the second
night of the after the opening of the Brandy SkyDome
to watch the Blue Jays play. But one of the
guys in the rugby club I played for was Kiwi
and three other Irish guys had season tickets that Rich

(01:29:38):
Stadium to watch the Buffalo Bills play in Buffalo. They
were great fans of the American football and so invariably
if the Irish guys couldn't go, then the kid, the
guy who went all the time would get a few more. Kiwason,
we go down for a night in Buffalo, go out
and watch the Rich Stadium and maybe three years sold
out eighty eight thousand people over here and three years

(01:30:00):
to play one hour game. But it was the entertainment
and the hype and they know the rah rah and
everything was just said test.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Well, they're some of the best fans in the whole NFL,
aren't they? The Bills mafia. They go absolutely crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:30:16):
And then afterwards and that Ski we guys you know,
we're Yeah, you sort of make yourself known where you go.
But the the Towergate party afterwards of the car park
was bloody memorable, mate, you know it was. It was
a great time. It was a great show. Yeah, it
was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Tailgating is just it hasn't it never come came to
New Zealand. I don't think it will ever now, No
one would allow it to happen. But it's one of
the great things around American football. I went to Sofi
Stadium a couple of years ago to see the Rams play.
I'm a big Rams fan, and that was slightly different thing,
but the way it was set up there wasn't talgating anything.
But it was incredible. I mean, that five billion dollar

(01:30:57):
Sofi Stadium. It was just such an epic experience. And yeah,
it's hard to describe the level of hypes. You're just
so hyped with the time the game starts.

Speaker 24 (01:31:07):
It's almost like, yeah, they had or in between eight
when when the teams went off for a break that
the whole field was covered in college brass.

Speaker 11 (01:31:18):
Bands and cheerleaders and oh mate, it was fantastic year.
It was awesome.

Speaker 13 (01:31:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeers, you can hear.

Speaker 4 (01:31:30):
You can hear Mark still visit on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
I mean, you can see why they get so excited
about American football, American sports.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Americans do sports so very well. You know. I'm a
Dodgers fan, been to Dodger Stadium a number of times
and going to see the baseball is absolutely phenomenal. Being
to baseball and number of cities in the States it's
just so great level of hype for the NFL when
you go to those games. Incredible. Never been to an
NBA game, but I mentioned an NBA game would be fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:31:56):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to cool Graham. You went to a fantastic event, Tour
de France.

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
I've said that terribly. Tour de France.

Speaker 13 (01:32:09):
Yeah. I went on a cycle to a second ride
part of the route as well as watch it, which
is pretty unreal. So they closed the roads vehicle about
three days before the peloton comes through, but anyone with
a bike can ride the route up to two hours
before the race comes through. So you go right up
these these coals and there's just spectators everywhere, and they

(01:32:32):
sort of yell and scream at you as if you're
the real deal, even know you're probably a mammal like
me kind of thing. But yeah, it's just a it's
a three week party. It's yeah, the whole country gets
into it, and yeah, what goes on on the on
the side of the road is just incredible. But but
what I find amazing about it is how close you

(01:32:53):
can get to the athletes, like and no other sport.
Could you basically be that close to someone that's competing.
I mean you could walk and push them off their
bikes if you really wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
That woman a few years ago that held up that
sign sign for a grandmother and took a.

Speaker 13 (01:33:08):
Rid yeah, and got manhunted.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
But it was a nice gesture that went so badly wrong.

Speaker 23 (01:33:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:33:19):
Well, I mean, unfortunately a lot of the people that
hold signs up these days are doing it for the camera,
is not the riders, right, a bit of a shame,
and are there to take selfies of themselves. But I
went in twenty sixteen where I think that thing that
sort of thing wasn't wasn't quite as prevalent. But yeah,
it's it's just utter madness because it's like a three

(01:33:40):
week holiday rather than a particular event. But yeah, anyone
that's had had anything to do with cycling it, you've
got to do it as a bucket list.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
Well, it must be amazing, Graham, because you know, when
I watched the toward the France on TV, every village
they go where it was the most beautiful thing you've
ever seen, and you go, God, I'd love to live there. God,
I'd love to visit there. That the shots of it,
I mean, before you even get to the racing, just
how beautiful French countrysiders. So it must be amazing to

(01:34:11):
be going from those places to those places.

Speaker 13 (01:34:14):
Yeah, and the food is incredible as well. But what
all the people don't understand as well as the quality
of the roads, because what happens is you get your
local town or whatever put on the route and the
mayor will go to the EU and say, oh, we
must have some funding for our old you know, there's
it's absolutely like riding on carpet. There's no potholes in
the roads or anything like that, because obviously they don't

(01:34:34):
want the one the rider's coming off because you know,
it's unlike, yeah, it's you know, there's no chip arm
or anything like that. It's just it's absolutely immaculate roads.
And so when you do the sense, you can get
may one hundred kN hour just easily.

Speaker 28 (01:34:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:34:51):
And as I say that, the views and the scenery
are just incredible as well, and it's so warm that
time of year.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
How much hard yaker was it getting up those some
of those climbs, Graham.

Speaker 13 (01:35:03):
You've got to have a bit of experience, But I mean,
we did this one called cold a tormulate told me
about an hour and a half late that the riders
will do that in city five forty minutes. Kind of
thank you, So like you you realize that, you know,
you're not worthy kind of thing when you actually have
to do some of the acents that they.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Do and stuff that they do it fifty k.

Speaker 13 (01:35:28):
Yeah, it's yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Lance Armstrong was incredible. How he could just pound up
those hells without even getting a sweat on it was amazing.

Speaker 13 (01:35:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Unfortunately they were they weren't offering
any PD.

Speaker 28 (01:35:42):
On holiday.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
So see you know when when when you know when
you're watching the Tour de France on the TV and
that's the people are lining the roads. Are they generally
people from the villages in the towns or as a
lot of people like yourself that are following and sitting
up and just following the whole race around.

Speaker 13 (01:35:59):
Yeah, it's a lot of tourists. I mean you'll see
campavans and stuff. So people hire camperans and they'll just drive. Yes,
if you're if you're hiring a campvan, you've got a
part by the roadside for about three days prior to
the race going through and wait there. So they all
just get on the booze for three days. They're they're
all well tanked before the peloton comes through kind of thing,
and then they'll pack up and just drive to the

(01:36:20):
next place and reprints and repeat. But a lot of
people follow it around in their cars and then just
you know, go up and and hang on the roadside
and you talk to lots of people. And also all
the sponsors come through through out, you know, T shirts
and caps and all of that sort of stuff to
people on the road on side of the road and

(01:36:40):
stuff as well before the pelton comes through.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
So yeah, it sounds like such a good time. That
sounds like almost the best time I can imagine.

Speaker 13 (01:36:50):
It's pretty cool, especially if the riding boats.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
Yeah, good on your Graham, Thank you so much for
ringing and for the to the front is a potential
for the best event in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty what is the best
live event you've been a specter at. There's so many
ticks coming through, but'd love to hear from your one
O one hundred and eighty ten eighty afternoon lads. The
best event had to be watching the birth of my children.

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
She is Michael, How was that for you? Pretty good
spectator sport.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Yeah, you can't have seventy thousand people watching maken.

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Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we are talking about
the best live events you've ever seen as a spectator.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Best has to be Aware's home game. Matt Heath would
have no idea because he never uses his ticket. Smiley face,
that'll be one of my friends that we've will got
member's tickets. But I've been out of town the last
few games.

Speaker 4 (01:39:03):
The intention's always there, but you just haven't quite minutes
to make in the last few once.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Yeah, a couple of paid for the tickets and my
friend Casts goes along for free every week and I
can't go.

Speaker 4 (01:39:13):
Yeah, Lucky Cass eight ten eighty is the number to call,
John O.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
What do you think is the greatest event you can attend?

Speaker 16 (01:39:23):
So two I went to the first home game. It
was all back to this Ireland straight after COVID, and
that the atmosphere there was just absolutely electric. It was
the first ever All Backs game that I went to,
and just the whole atmosphere there. Everyone was just so
happy to be there out for what the country had

(01:39:44):
gone through. So for me, that's that's, that's that top
of the list.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Yeah, So that's that's interesting because you know that particular game,
that particular attitude and the fact sport had been taken
away for for so long would have probably led to
a spectacular experience. But a lot of people texting and
saying that the All Blacks experience isn't so great now
that everyone's sitting down and grumpy and just to expecting

(01:40:09):
to win. So have you been to to other All
Blacks fixtures and with a different.

Speaker 16 (01:40:15):
Yeah, So I went to the one of the English
games last year that was like that was pretty good. Obviously,
it still just wasn't as great as the Ireland one.
I mean, Ireland always put a pretty good fight and
to have them play at the Garden was pretty special
from what we've been through. But I mean I remember,
I remember, just like Anne Smith, he scored this real
nice runaway try and everyone just jumped up on their

(01:40:35):
feet and me and it was just electric. Everyone was screaming,
everyone was yelling. I think it was mostly just coming
from me, but just it was it was, It was
so much. It was just so much fun. And I
was into a few Blues games then and a few
NPC games, so but yeah, I don't think anything could
quite stop that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
Yeah, what a time.

Speaker 23 (01:40:56):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
I went to see the All Blacks France for South
Barth Stadium a few weeks ago and that was that
was a great time.

Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
That's a great stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
They absolutely get excited there, get a color. Hello, Now
this is interesting. What is the House of Dancing Water.

Speaker 29 (01:41:13):
House of Dancing Water is a massive show in Macare
that did happened prior to COVID, but was closed down
during COVID and is just three open three months ago.
It is centered at the stage is a fifteen meters
deep pool and during a show there are twenty divers

(01:41:38):
permanently in the pool to give heir two Those that
are throwing and diving fallen as part of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
Wow, I'm watching some of it comes up out of it.
I'm watching some of it on I'm watching some of
it on YouTube right now. It looks absolutely phenomenal. It's huge,
people being lowered into the water on caves, there's boats
going everywhere, there's people.

Speaker 29 (01:42:04):
Gridable and at the end of the show, a diver
dives twenty five meters into the fole. Wow. Yeah, twenty
five meters above. But what I can't get my head
around the staging that comes up and it's all hydraulically driven,
and the hydraulics are sitting in the pole.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
Yeah. Like I'm looking at it some of it now
and there's like it's it's the city growing out of
the back of it.

Speaker 19 (01:42:32):
Wow.

Speaker 16 (01:42:33):
Yes, And there's beautiful just.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
Hundreds and hundred of people being lowered in on cages
round it is phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
Wow.

Speaker 29 (01:42:42):
And there's a splash zone. The two front rows are
what they call the splash zone. So the first time
we saw it, we were in the splash zone and
they provided punt shows and a little souvenir tail and
some of I've discovered that some of the areal artists
try very hard to see what if they can get

(01:43:03):
their section the wetter.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
So how did you do? Did you go Tom? How
purposely for that or were you were just visiting and
came across it.

Speaker 29 (01:43:14):
I don't want to give too much away, Okay, A
family members very instrumental in getting it up and running again. Okay,
well it looks incredible to stay and we saw the
show twice.

Speaker 4 (01:43:29):
Right, how long's the show?

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (01:43:31):
A couple of hours?

Speaker 6 (01:43:32):
Ninety?

Speaker 24 (01:43:34):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:43:34):
Incredible?

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
Of course, So you related to shin ping. Help, she's gone,
she's gone? Care Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
Hello, Hello, how are you?

Speaker 30 (01:43:46):
I thought i'd bring and tell you about our amazing
experience in South Africa Johannesburg at Tullis part watching an
all black test and and we wanted a course which
was even better. But an absolutely amazing, amazing day right
from when we got to the stadium with all the brides,

(01:44:07):
they have all their little bud que set up on
their boots, their car boots, and they're all cooking up
and everyone's all painted.

Speaker 28 (01:44:14):
Up and all the colors and it was so so good.

Speaker 18 (01:44:17):
And then went.

Speaker 30 (01:44:19):
Inside and of course all the what do you call
them cheerleaders and all the amazing food stores, incredible entertainment
on the stage, lots and lots of music and great bands,
and then we got into the stadium itself and I
couldn't believe how steep it was, and we had to
walk miles up.

Speaker 28 (01:44:39):
To the top.

Speaker 30 (01:44:41):
And while we were waiting for the game, we were
entertained by all of these big, early South African men
all walking up really steep steep steps carrying huge big
I don't know what they called schooners or something of
their but they were very skilled at doing it. It
was just it was so good, right from the very

(01:45:02):
word to the to when we won.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
Looks always looks like in fantastic time on the TV
at Ellis Park, it looks like they give it a
hundie and it's more of a festival atmosphere than we
do here.

Speaker 14 (01:45:14):
Totally, oh totally.

Speaker 30 (01:45:16):
It's like it was like an all day event, you know.
I mean all the buses were arriving really early, like
seven thirty in the morning for a game that was
starting in the afternoon.

Speaker 14 (01:45:27):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:45:27):
Was it was huge.

Speaker 30 (01:45:29):
But we all had an amazing time.

Speaker 7 (01:45:31):
So yeah, that was a great experience.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
Yeah, were you there specifically for the All Blacks game
or you're already in South Africa and the opportunity came up, Well,
we were.

Speaker 30 (01:45:39):
We were on a big golf tour actually all through
South Africa, so this was just like a little side
trip which was absolutely amazing, like perfect timing.

Speaker 24 (01:45:47):
Yeah, yeah, we stood of Luxe and it was great.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
Those stadiums that are designed exactly for one sport, so
it's so that, as you say, the really steep stands
and it's you know, it's around the rectangle just makes
such a cool driven experience.

Speaker 30 (01:46:01):
So absolutely, yeah, no, no, it was you have to
be fit. I mean, you know, it was much deeper
than what it looks on TV.

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
It was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
What a great experience. Care thanks so much growing up
and sharing that with us.

Speaker 4 (01:46:15):
How good?

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to cour What is the best live event to be
expectator rat.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
I'll tell you what. Twickenham's pretty awesome as well in
terms of rugby stadium has been there a couple of times,
you lucky bugger steep stands and designed specifically for the
game of rugby.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
Mad would have been cool.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
It is seventeen to four, the big stories, the big issues,
the big trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and
Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
It'd be good afternoon. What is the best live event
you've been a spectator?

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
Rats?

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
Hi, guys went to Lady Garda at Gaga at Dodger
Stadium in La A couple of years ago. Turned out
it was the concert was filmed for her Chromatica ball videos.
What a fantastic sports venue and concert venue that as
that's from Gary. I've got to say, been to Dodger
Stadium in other times and it is so freaking cool.

(01:47:05):
It's the second older stadium, I think in an email.
This is cool, retro futuristic luck. It's got the biggest
car park you've ever seen in your life. And when
you go to a game, this is mariachi bars all
the way around, it's tequila shots on the street. It's
so much fun.

Speaker 4 (01:47:22):
I'm getting goosebumps hearing about that alistair. How are you mate?

Speaker 13 (01:47:27):
How are you a stranger? And all good?

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Yeah, I'm good mate, I'm good. Now you know a
lot about this because you kind of work in the business,
right I have.

Speaker 31 (01:47:34):
Yeah, So what started to use in television and so
inside the ropes access to a lot of very popular events,
the twenty eleven World Cup and the British Oven, the
Bathurst is one of my favorites. When I first went
to Bathurst in Australia, that was unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:47:52):
I bet mate, I bet twenty eleven that would have
been huge for you at the time.

Speaker 13 (01:47:56):
It was heah, it was.

Speaker 31 (01:47:58):
We were very busy because we've we we our teams
broke into groups of four and we sort of did
all the build up games. My four game is at
North Harbor Stadium and then we went to the North
and we were all over the place. And then we
managed to do the same in Australia New Zealand and
I watched that from Becomer three in the halfway line.

(01:48:18):
So yeah, if you've got TV access, you could more
or less get anywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:48:23):
Yeah, and so are you out of Are you out
of the game?

Speaker 18 (01:48:26):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
Alistair, you don't do that anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:48:28):
No, I've moved on.

Speaker 31 (01:48:29):
From outside broadcast onto led screen, so we're still with television.
We do all the digital signs around the All Blacks games,
the banner, the electric banner and the big screens. So yeah,
it's still instill in the industry.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
How do you find going to games when you're working
at them as opposed to being there just as a
speak Tata.

Speaker 16 (01:48:49):
I did a good question.

Speaker 31 (01:48:52):
Sometimes when you do them in and year after year
after year, you couldn't care less winter.

Speaker 4 (01:49:00):
Yeah, alistair good to hear from your mates. Chase, how
are you?

Speaker 17 (01:49:04):
Oh, I'm very good, Thank you. I've got, I've got.
I've been a spectator of a couple a couple of
amazing ones. I'll make it brief for you. The first
one was. The second one of them was when I
went to Thailand. The second time, I went to the
kickboxing and Bangkok there and it was absolutely unbelievable the

(01:49:28):
amount of people there, and there were young guys starting
off about twelve through the seventeen, and there's a guy
running around who's like a bockie and you could put
a bet on who was going.

Speaker 22 (01:49:41):
To win that round.

Speaker 17 (01:49:42):
And it was like a boxing they fought and they
fought inside like a boxing ring, you know, like boxes. Yeah,
so that was it was pretty amazing. A was I
was there for about four or five hours.

Speaker 4 (01:49:59):
Big day.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
I heard a lot of good things about kickboxing and Thailand. Absolutely,
it's one of the things that you should go and
see if you're in Bangkok.

Speaker 17 (01:50:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, well that's where I were. That's where
I were but it was just such an amazing nice
a and and everybody was clapping and chairing.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
And how good.

Speaker 4 (01:50:21):
Jeff, Yeah, love it. Hopefully you made a bit of
money as well, Jeff.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
I commentated a kickboxing fight in Thailand once it was
called one Fight in Bangkok. Yeah, it was that.

Speaker 6 (01:50:32):
It was good.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
Actually it was good. Actually it was good. The person
that won ten thousand dollars had a blinder to describe it.
I'm surprised they came out alive from that night.

Speaker 4 (01:50:44):
Murray, how are you mate, mate? How are you good?
What was the events that was top of the top
of the pops for you?

Speaker 28 (01:50:53):
Well, I was working on the kiriy two cruiseliner and
we're in dock in Tokyo, and I made of mine
as a British boxer, and he got tickets for the
butt of Douglas Mike Tyson fight and Tokyo Dome Wow
nineties wow. And we went along to that and it
was a big day. Jefpanes's ride into it and a massive,

(01:51:15):
massive crowd. We were sort of men and made mine
and kill him.

Speaker 16 (01:51:19):
Madam.

Speaker 28 (01:51:19):
I was sitting in the back roads and we got
usher up to the front from our British brush mate
and we're a ringside. Got two rows back and got
some amazing photos, got some photos of Douglas Tyson sorry,
heading in the canvas with the mouthguard coming out and
all that kind of stuff, and basically the three or
four shots up to the point where he got beaten

(01:51:41):
and knocked out. So it was an amazing day, unreal.

Speaker 3 (01:51:44):
I mean from memory that was it was a massive
upset for Tyson. Wasn't it to be knocked out?

Speaker 20 (01:51:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 28 (01:51:50):
Massive?

Speaker 4 (01:51:51):
Who was an anger dog at the time.

Speaker 28 (01:51:52):
Douglas, Yeah, Doug was something about seventy to one was
the odds on and the warning.

Speaker 4 (01:51:57):
Did you put any money on him?

Speaker 14 (01:51:59):
No?

Speaker 18 (01:52:00):
Not dumb enough.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
That was an awesome experience. So many people are texting
him that the Sevens and Wellington before it was ruined,
I mean Simony sext and of the Seven's and Wellington
was our most fun sporting event in this country that
we that we'd ever put together. And it just got
bigger and bigger, and the whole city was alive. Everywhere
you went. There were people and crazy outfits and heading

(01:52:23):
along to the stadium was an absolute ball and then
completely not destroyed. Do we know we're the names of
the people that destroyed that that Wellington's.

Speaker 4 (01:52:32):
We need to name in shame because what a disaster
that was.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
Absolutely we cannot forgive.

Speaker 4 (01:52:38):
No, we cannot, right.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. There's a few great techs coming through as well.
We'll get to a couple more of those very shortly.
It is eight to four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news
talks that'd be.

Speaker 4 (01:52:59):
News talks there be. It is six to four. Some
great teas that come through.

Speaker 2 (01:53:02):
Octoberfest Olympic efforts by people drinking huge steins and eating
a lot of German sausage. Yeah, like, I'm still bitter.
I was supposed to go to Oktoberfest last year, but
I was portrayed and stabbed in the back by some friends.
But let's not go into that. Let it go, Oh,
let it go. English Premier League game at Old Traffic,
the Ronado Ronaldo era out of body experience. That's from
sidel That is our best. A sporting event that I

(01:53:24):
have spectated was the twenty fifteen Cricket World Cup semi
final against Eden Park was hugging strangers after we won
Origin at Anz Stadium was awesome. Two oh my god.
Yeah that twenty fifteen here, yeah, that's six oh go.

Speaker 4 (01:53:41):
You need to go and hear that. Audio from Matt
was part of it the acc It is incredible audio.
I still think about that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
Carnival and Rio live, Beatles Soup to Solet in Vegas
is phenomenal. So many great, great events people are bringing up.

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
Yep, that was a great hour. Thank you very much
everyone who phoned and text on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
Yeah. Absolutely Now, thanks so much for listening to the
show all week, and thanks for all your calls and texts.
Now we appreciate all the people that call us so much.
We like to celebrate the caller of the Week every Friday.
This week it was a mind being in call from Helene.
She's eighty seven years old and she was calling on
the topic of success later in life.

Speaker 23 (01:54:13):
My therapist suggested that he put me into a light
stage of hypnosis. That's what started the whole thing. The
Oracle Rock is the name of the book. The key
place that I visited, the oracle side of Delphi, and
I've instinctively picked up a rock, I asked the oracle
for help. You know. The focus turned it over and
there was crack war marble on the other side with

(01:54:34):
the letter E that started it. I was the world
graduate skeptic, but I had this sudden conviction that telepathic
dolphins had given me this story, and the story was there.
I'm sort of looking at what I've got and thinking
I really need to get this show on the road.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
There you go, E and telepathic Dolphins. I've been thinking
about in them all week.

Speaker 4 (01:54:55):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to that book. Come on, Elane
get writing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
Well, she's writing a book and she's following up with
a trilogy.

Speaker 4 (01:55:00):
Yeah, good on, Elaine.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
Grateful to that brain.

Speaker 4 (01:55:02):
Newsyllander.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
The Paul Holmes broadcast of the Heather Duplaicy Eleen is
up next. But right now, ty my good buddy, tell
me why I'm playing the song.

Speaker 4 (01:55:11):
Oh fantastic she head home again?

Speaker 3 (01:55:13):
Is that because the Victorians have lost their mind and
they're telling everybody you can work from home whenever you want.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
That's one hundred percent correct. Do you get it right
every time? Thanks for listening everyone. We'll be back on Monday.
Until then, give them a taste of keeping from Us.
Thanks for listening, Matt and Taylor.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
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