Full Show Podcast: 18 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News
Talk said.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
The very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Monday's show
after what we hope was a fantastic weekend for you.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
So much sport going on.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Weather was a bit effee in some parts of the country,
but I hope you had a great break and welcome
into today's show.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Awesome to have your company. Airs always good.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
A Matte good Ay, Tyler, how are you? How is everyone?
Thanks for tuning in. Hey, I just wanted to do
a bit of a shout out MC the twenty twenty
five Aukland Rugby Referees Association Awards night. How good at
Eden Park on Saturday night and it was just an
absolutely fantastic evening. Those those refs that get out there

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every weekend are absolute backbones, a beast of us. And
you know, rugby just wouldn't work. And if you think about,
you know, the inactivity of kids these days, and the
and the social isolation, digital addiction, all that kind of stuff.
Rugby Union is a great sport to get them out.
You know, it's a sport that has people of every
size in it. You know that you can find your

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place and it gives people a great purpose. But that
just doesn't work because rugby union is also an incredibly
complex sport, So it just does not work unless there's
these skilled, talented referees going out there and officiating the games.
So fantastic people what they do. But also what I
noticed is that the community of those referees, they're just

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really fun, good people. They know how to party, and
I was just thinking, you know, people that were looking
to become referees because we do need them. The other
side of it, you know, they're going out there officiating
and that side of it. There's one side of the
other side of it as the community that you joined

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by being one of these referees. So I was just
so impressed by all those guys and girls, and it
was really it was a fantastic time.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Sounded like an awesome night. Absolutely unity referees.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
The MC was wanting, but.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
I did hear that it was mixed response.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
No, I hear you did very well, mate, And it
was a fantastic night and they freaking loved you. Wow,
and a couple of beersies doesn't help, doesn't help. Well,
it does help for you as an MC.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
But yeah, well one of my Epstein list jokes didn't
go down so well. But you know, but for the.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Rest of the rest of it was all very good
to get ninety percent across the line.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
It was a fantastic night.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Love it right on to today's show after three o'clock.
An interesting story in the Herald today about a primary
age school girl called Brie So she had her heart
set on going to private school the Troublers, though her
Hawk's Bay Bay separated parents could not agree on which
school she could go to. Her dad wanted her to
go to a local state school where he had family ties.

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Her mum disagreed and thought private school would be better
for their daughter. So that is now going through the
court to determine which school Bree will go to. But
it raises the big question over the merits of private
versus public, Which is better for your child?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, I mean you've got to pay for private, so
how much better is it than in public? And you know,
is it worth it? I sent my kids to public
school and went to a fantastic school. So why do
you want your kids to be schooled with? You know,
don't you want your kids to be in a microcosm
of New Zealand? You know, that's what I always thought.

(04:45):
You want them to go to school and then the
lessons of the real world. I mean, they're going to
have to work with everyone in the world, aren't they
going forward to point you hope? So what do your
kids need to be brought up with the elites?

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, great question, that's going to be the discussion after
three o'clock. After two o'clock, how can you know who
you are if you don't know where you came from?
That was the question posed by New Zealand hero reporter
Rachel Mayers. He embarked on a journey to find the
other half of her DNA.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
It's a beautiful, beautiful rate.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, absolutely, an amazing story. And look, we would love
to share some stories of donor conceived children. So have
you had one? Are you one having children? It's seriously
I mean, for me, having children has been the defining
thing of my life, being a dad. It's the most
important thing in the world. And so if you can't
have children, you know, you can't for whatever reason, getting

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the swimmers donated is a great option. It can be
a beautiful thing. But also there are other stories out there,
the horror stories. So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
and nine two nine two, and we'll talk to Rachel
one week.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
We will so looking forward to that after two o'clock.
But right now, let's have a chat about importing vehicles
from Japan. Hundreds of vehicles with clocked odometers have been
imported from that country into ours in recent years. This
was a thing by police and customs, so it was
details of an alleged crime syndicate they had members here
and in Japan. It's been released by a recent civil

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course case. But hundreds and hundreds of those vehicles were
brought into the country with DODGYO dometers, So this is
going to be interesting. I know there are a lot
of people who go direct to manufacturers and secondhand car
dealers in Japan just to import directly from that country
into ours. It's incredibly cheap, but a bit of a

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roll of the dice. But admin a lot of admin,
a lot of admins, so you can pick up a vehicle.
As I understand it. We're keen to hear from you, oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. But you can pick
up a vehicle for ten percent of the cost that
you'd get it for in New Zealand. But then you've
got to go through a hell of a process that
you've got to get the vin sorted, you've got to
get it on the ship, You've got to do all
that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I just thought that rolling back the adometer was a
thing of the past. I didn't think it was possible anyway.
I just thought that was over. You know, I've bought
secondhand cars, and I just thought, I assume this is right,
because that's sort of an old seventies, eighties, even nineties thing.
You don't you can't roll back dometers in the two thousands.
But what happens if you find that? I mean, how
can you be sure of the case?

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (07:15):
And what happens if you find out that it's been
rolled back?

Speaker 3 (07:19):
And yeah, what can you do about it?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
And how do you roll them back?

Speaker 5 (07:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (07:22):
Oh, there's no judgment here. I mean it was back
in the day. You see a movie, it's either you
go into reverse like fires Builler.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
That's always annoyed me because that's not going to work.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Yeah, or you chuck the drill into reverse. There was
some somewhere that you could chuck in and I'm going
by TV shows here. You just chuck the old drill
into the back of the dashboard and then hit reverse
on the drill and it starts winding it back right.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, but going in reverse is surely not going to
do it because people go and reverse all the time.
So cars have sorted that out. Very very great movie, though,
First Bill is a day off and terrible when Cam's
car goes out the Dad's car goes out the back
of the garage showroom. Hey, y, before we continue, I'd
be remissive I didn't announce who the Orkley Auckland Rugby

(08:06):
Referee Association Supreme ref of the Year was. Yes, please
who the winner was?

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Do you want a drum?

Speaker 6 (08:12):
Roll?

Speaker 2 (08:12):
YEP? It was Maui mcgeelee.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Nice good man.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah he's a good man.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, fantastic right?

Speaker 7 (08:21):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call?
How easy is it to wind the old odometer back?
And how do you know if you import a car
from Japan that it hasn't been tampered with?

Speaker 5 (08:32):
Really?

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Can you hear?

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Your thoughts. Yeah, my car is about to rock around
fifty thousand k, so I wouldn't mind whipping that back
to about five before a.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
So chuck and reverse it. It's fourteen pas one.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 8 (08:50):
It'd be.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Very good afternoon. It is sixteen past one. So we're
talking about tampered odometers. There was a big police sting
and they discovered hundreds of important imported cars rather from
Japan were found to have have their odometer tampered with.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
How easy is it?

Speaker 7 (09:07):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (09:07):
This six is whining cars back. It's easy to do
on most as it now is now electronic and a
good bent tech person can do it, plus as the
computer to match. All right, wow, Henry disagrees with that.
Welcome to the show, Henry.

Speaker 9 (09:22):
Well, it's probably right, but you've got to be fairly
good auto electrician. Maybe you should interview an auto electrician.
A very example. I bring in things like Tesla and
this and Leaf and all late model stuff. You can't
do it impossible, so.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Why can't you do it with a late model Tesla
is there software two ironclad, but it's.

Speaker 9 (09:44):
Recorded on the main computer. The mileage. You know, you
can't do it. I mean you can give Tesla a
ring impossible, right, the same as the same as a
distant leaf or most electronic dashboard. And you know you're
talking about winding the clock back with a scowl. Yes,
that's an analog speed of that. You can dial it back.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
You know.

Speaker 9 (10:07):
Analog is the earlier technology that you can take the
dashboard and you can it's like a clock inside, right.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
They don't have that on a Tesla. Imagine they just
have like an analog cock there you go out the
back of the screw and.

Speaker 9 (10:20):
They are all digital modern digital speed.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Of Tesla's a digital.

Speaker 9 (10:26):
You've got over a fairly clever auto electrician to do it.
So I think your phone board is a ring. One
of the well known auto electrician in Auckland and they
will explain it better.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Okay, Well, thank you for advice, Henry. That's like a
referral from a doctor. I think you need to go
somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah, go straight to testa entry.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
But yeah on the maze. So I thought Tesla's just
had basically an alarm clock then and you go in
there and you can just get a screw up.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
That's what I thought. I thought that screen was just
you know.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
I had no idea. I had no idea that was digital. Hey, Sam,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (11:01):
Thanks for having me, guys.

Speaker 7 (11:04):
And I just wanted to want to.

Speaker 10 (11:06):
Shed some light on the tool which you can buy
off TEMU and pretty much it's an OBD boll which
can be used to correct your odometer, whether that be
winding the kilometers back or whining them forward. And it's
easy to do this videos on it. It takes five minutes.

(11:28):
People overseas, I guess already know about this. Quite a
few New Zealanders know about this, and I have heard
of quite a few stories people taking their newly purchased
secondhand vehicles in for a service into Toyota or or
or the likes of Toyota or Ford or whoever whoever
you're going to, and they read the vehicle computer which

(11:52):
tells you the true kilometers of the vehicle, whether it
be from the transmission or the or the engine computer.
But you can definitely easily wind them back with a
tool that's under one thousand dollars. And there's there's plenty
of videos on the Internet telling you how to do it.
I'm just looking on Google now countless countless videos. There's

(12:18):
forums on them. Yeah, so it's easy to do.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Does it leave any leave any mark as any way
to tell that the doctor has been wound back? Sam?

Speaker 10 (12:31):
Not visually. I think that's when the when the dealerships
plug their tools into them and they can see like
the transmission computer and that sort of thing that that
that will tell you the true case of the vehicle.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
M I mean, it is fascinating. I imagine, Well, you've
looked into it a lot more than I have.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Sam.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
But if it is found by somebody you know, a mechanic,
or indeed it's it's figured out by n Z t A,
the penalties would be rather high.

Speaker 10 (13:05):
Well, you'd hope. So it's it's misleading information, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
My understanding is that in New Zealand, tamping with a
vehicle's a doometer, including winding it back, as a criminal offense.
The maximum penalty for the offense is fifteen thousand dollars.
Seem fifteen thousand dollars, I mean, you could have made
fifteen thousand dollars on the sale if you wind it
back like this. Pausin said, My twenty twenty one GL
sixty three Mercedes was wound back sixty thousand kilometers. The

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completely digital display had a fault and the unit was replaced.
When of the shot with thirty k on the clock
and came out with ninety k's as a new unit
was calibrated.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
So is there any way to find out, Sam that
if you're buying a secondhand car and you suspect that
they've used one of these devices to wind it back,
is there any way to figure that out?

Speaker 10 (13:51):
I guess you could plug a scanner into it again
and go through the transmission computer. I don't know too
much about it, but I'm guessing that you would be
able to find a way to read the true kilometers
of the vehicles.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yeah, fascinating, Sam, Thank you very much for giving us
a bar. A lot of teachs coming through on nine
two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, a lot of big fans of Ferris Bueller coming through.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Great movie.

Speaker 11 (14:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah. Even as a child, that annoyed me because I
thought that that's not gonna work just putting it in reverse.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
We all believed it at the time, though, didn't we Well,
I just said I didn't. Oh right, okay, so you did?

Speaker 11 (14:28):
Yeah to go?

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call love to hear your thoughts on this. How easy
is it to temple with an odometer and importing cars
from Japan? If you've done it, we'd love to chat
with you as well.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's twenty two past one and if you were in
all an auto electrician, then we'd love to hear from you.
IO hundred and eighty ten eighty to get the truth
of all this.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
The time ministers with us pend on heart, would you
appear publicly at the COVID inquiry? If coll Yeah, I was.

Speaker 12 (15:00):
I mean, I think New Zealanders have gone through a
huge amount of suffering. Those former ministers should show up.
But I'll be honest with you. I get what they're
trying to do. You know, if you're Hopkins, you're trying
to politically get slight the country and say you had
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Speaker 7 (15:10):
Do with that record.

Speaker 12 (15:10):
Well you did, so I think they should show But
Grant Robinson says it's a show trial, is it?

Speaker 2 (15:14):
I disagree.

Speaker 12 (15:15):
I think it's something called accountability, and I think showing
up and actually giving the justification for way you took
the actions you did at ultimately I think made the
cost of living worse. You know, hipkinsz Averala making a
case they want to lead the country again. I think
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Speaker 2 (15:27):
At least show up. Back tomorrow at six am the
Mike Husking Breakfast with Mayley's Real Estate News Talks.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
There'd be very good afternoon to you. Twenty five past one.
We're talking about tampering with odometers, a big sting in
recent years by police discovered one hundred and thirty three
used vehicles imported from Japan in twenty twenty had understated
odometer readings and other false information.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
I have understated the penalty for odometer tampering in New Zealand. Okay, yeakay,
So I've just looked up the Motor Vehicle Sales Act
from two thousand and three. A person convicted not of
an offense under any of the provisions listed in sub
section two is liable in the case of an individual
individual to a fine not exceeding fifty thousand. In the

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case of a company, a fine not exceeding two hundred
thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Who now we're talking, so I.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Don't know where I got fifteen thousand dollars right.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
There was no talk about getting a tasering as well.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
On that legislation, a tasering and a feathering.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Oh eight hundred.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
So it's a risky business that involved in it, certainly is.
But I mean, I guess I'd be interested to know
how hard it is to spot that it's been that
a vehicle's been tampered. Mike, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (16:43):
Yes, good, the way to tell it if it's start again.
Most cars these days don't have a service log because
they're easy to play with.

Speaker 7 (16:56):
So every time a car.

Speaker 13 (16:58):
From a major franchise and see these Ben's BMW et
cetera as service, it's loaded on the company's website, so
it goes back to BMW. The cars actually plugged them
to B and W and they can download anything they
like out of it, so they know what the mileage is.
So if you could have been number and you could
approach a friendly BMW place, they can look up and

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see what car when that car was last serviced in
Japan and tell you what the reading was, right, right,
and in fact probably to probably toy out it can
do the same thing because every time I take my
tooda and they lag at the service department, lag it
and nine percent of the time they plug it in
and download or upload. They know the factory, so the
factory know exactly what it's done.

Speaker 7 (17:43):
Did you go in the court out?

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Could you go in and pay for that service?

Speaker 7 (17:46):
Mike, I don't know.

Speaker 13 (17:48):
I don't know if it's available. I know you can
do it because I know people that have done it,
especially on expensive cars, and they have the service history
and they'll say that the one, one example, a car
gave from Singapore and when they checked on it, at
last service it had done was one hundred thousand k's
and when the guy bought it was sixty. So some
were between Singapore and here it drop forty thousand caves.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
It's amazings are logged in.

Speaker 11 (18:15):
It.

Speaker 13 (18:16):
Yeah, so every every European can't probably every major Japanese
car is logged in because of their own warranty purpose
they're up to five years. They want to know. You know,
you've got to have it serviced every twelve months or
every fifteen thousand k's, so to keep that warranty alive.
That's got to be logged with Toyota in Japan. So
when my wheels fill off my Rare four and it's

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done X number of k's, they can go and have
a look at my services street. There's no hiding and
then Toyota will then use that to decide that the
car is covered by a warranty or isn't covered by warranty.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Right, so that might be.

Speaker 13 (18:50):
It's all logged, even my even my Mercury outboard has logged.
Every service is logged back to Mercury in USA.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
There's no carry on no no, so you finished MIC
and then you go.

Speaker 13 (19:04):
No, So it's across the board pretty much now to
stop fraud, that's why they don't have you go tack
your car, and they're not interested in looking at your
little service book. Looks it's already locked and the only
information I look at is what's what's locked. Whereas in
the old age you could just get a new service
book and make up some numbers and get a stamp
and off you go.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Well, considering the large penalties that you get for tampering,
it might be worth if you're buying a car second
hand car, go Hey, just by the way, I know
a guy that works at you Mercedes, will BMW or Toyota,
so I will be going in to get this checked out.

Speaker 13 (19:40):
So you know, because if you took it in for
a service, they've got to know what it is. If
I take my BMW and no matter where it comes from,
it's got to connected to BMWAG and they've got something
they have to do and so they hook them up
and that gives them that difference straight away. So mainly
that car even if the guy's claiming has done forty ka,

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so you've done eighty or ninety and the time to
go away, and or it hasn't been serviced in accordance
with the it just stopped like the makees.

Speaker 7 (20:09):
It just stops all the arguments.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
So that's good to know. Yeah, that's good to know
as a buyer, Mike.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
But for dealers, if they're importing, do you not you
can't figure it that out information out into what gets
here in New Zealand.

Speaker 13 (20:21):
No, no, no. But if you're a dealer, which I
used to be, if you're a dealer and you get
off at a car that's done ten thousand k's arguably
and that's a grade five car, then sor I'm gettinghimself confused.

Speaker 7 (20:36):
You have to suspect why.

Speaker 13 (20:39):
Is that car at the auction going through at five
grand cheap and any other one that's been sold lately,
And it's because there's a suspicion about it. So you know,
I know people used to buy cars out of Singapore.
They knew they were all clocked, they just didn't care.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
To look right.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Fascinating Mike. Thank you, yeah, thank you very much for
giving us a much. I really appreciate your expertees. Oh
eight hundred and eighty eighty is the number to call.
Love to you your thoughts about this.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Hi, Matt, I too was annoyed when I was ten
or so years old watching Forrest Builder's Day Off and
saying that's never going to work with the putting it
up on stocks at Cam's house up in that beautiful
show garage after they'd stolen the carf borrowed the car
for the whole whole day. I was also annoyed that
they wrecked such a beautiful car, a two fifty California Ferrari,

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for a movie. Luckily, my eagle eyed car nut brother
had already noted that it was a replica because it
had British Smith's brand gaugees and not the correct Italian brand.
Cheers Andrew, Well, that is an e called eye.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Brother could spot him.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, because it just fires out the back. Absolutely beautiful
car that got put through its paces by the valet.
Someone else is asking who played the valet in that movie?

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Great quiestion.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, but Fairest Buller's Day Off. What a love story
to Chicago and just such a great, great, great movie.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Absolutely, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you're a mechanic, if you're a dealer,
if you've imported from Japan before. In terms of a vehicle.
Loved to hear from you, it is twenty eight two.

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Speaker 4 (23:25):
Thank you very much, Wendy. It's twenty five to two.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
So we're talking about rolling dometers up back and when
you do that, people immediately think about their fantastic John
Hughes movie Forest Bueller's day off. And you can't mention
Forres Bueller's day off without playing this quote here, one
of the greatest quotes from a movie of all time.

Speaker 7 (23:45):
Yep, I said it before, and I'll see it again.
Life moves pretty fast.

Speaker 15 (23:52):
You don't stop and look around once in a while,
you could miss it.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
A movie that's so good. I get Goosey's listening to that.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look
around once in a while, you could miss it. That's
advice for life.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Absolutely. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. How easy is it to wind back
an odometer? We're talking about this because there was a
big police sting where they found one hundred and thirty
three cars in New Zealand that were imported from Japan
that had their odometer tampered with.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Back in the nineties, says Jem I wound the clock
back on a Diesel Toyota station Wagon for my student
brother who had gone one hundred and fifty thousand kilometers
over the runs. No, fifteen thousand kilometers over the run. Sorry,
I found when I pulled the dash out there was
an extra clip to reset the number roll they were
designed to be wound back.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
That seems very easy.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
My brother in law just paid, has made one hundred
and fifty dollars to correct his digital speedometer by ten
thousand k. Apparently easily done with the right device.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
One hundred and fifty bucks. That is cheap.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
And look at Coller has rang and said that Section
two to eight of the Crimes Act applies, so you
are liable to imprisonment of up to seven years if
you roll the domin to back.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
It's a good nudge in prison. Seven years.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, I'm sure no one's ever got seven years with that.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
No, but as you mentioned before, fifty k for an individual,
two hundred thousand bucks for an organization, as it should
be if you're caught demporary with an odo. Barry, how
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 8 (25:25):
Good things?

Speaker 7 (25:26):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeck you? If you don't mind me asking, Barry, how
old are you?

Speaker 5 (25:31):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (25:32):
Sixty plus?

Speaker 2 (25:33):
All right? Because I've got a son called Barry, you see,
and I always like to I always like to know
how you know how close an age they are to
my fifteen year old son called Barry.

Speaker 8 (25:43):
I've got a wee bit of experience.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, it's a strong name Barry.

Speaker 7 (25:46):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
That's why I called my son Barry. Anyway, you're crumb,
Oh yeah, well he was a great New Zealand way
absolutely yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Now talk to us about Windy Beck the odometer Barry.

Speaker 8 (25:59):
Well, my understanding is that you basically can't do it.
You can change the display in the car quite easily
using a fifteen dollars OMDB reading device from Timu or
Ali Baba or wherever, but that doesn't change the central computer.

(26:20):
So as soon as you go to do anything serious
at a dealership, reputable or otherwise, they can see that Hello,
the computers reading this in the display saying.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Right.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
So very difficult to do in most instances. But you've
got a car with a bit of an interesting history
as well.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Bearing that's correct, yes, tell us more. What is the history?

Speaker 8 (26:49):
Well, brought from Turner's guaranteed title of course and all
the rest of it, but ends it new middle of
last century, middle of last decade, but driven around for
forty thousand k's without a war off or regio because

(27:10):
of course they expire after six months. So I had
to go through revinning the vehicle, which is you think
being in z new and it was a reputable dealership
in zid New one of the big brands. You would
think it would be a rubberstamp exercise, but no, they

(27:32):
have to rip the seats out, you know, they have
to tear it apart basically. So three days later they
did that, revned it and what have you. But the
thought had occurred that obviously that was a prime candidate,
having done forty thousand k's warranted and unred o with
no history over that period to clock. Yeah, I mean

(27:56):
I investigated and you can't do it. You can change
the display in the car, but you can't change the
engine computer. It's ROIM read only memory.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Right, and so you might be able to so you
might be able to fool the person that's buying the car,
But if there's an investigation done, then it will be revealed.

Speaker 7 (28:21):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, well bough, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
And event, of course, is a vehicle identification number in
case you didn't.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Know, thank you.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
I didn't know that, but I have heard. It's a
massive process. You never want to go through a vent
because something will get picked up.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Mate's got a twenty eighteen Colorado and a twenty twenty
one Highluks fifty dollars for ten thousand kilometers off from
a mate.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
That's it's a good deal one hundred.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Most new cars actually communicate directly with the manufacturer dealerships
and send regular data. We get called regularly from BMW
telling us our car needs X y Z from its
regular data transfers.

Speaker 8 (28:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Interesting.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is nineteen to two. Back very surely.
But love to hear your stories.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
You're home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons
call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
Say'd be for a good afternoon cheer. We're talking about
tampering with odometers. A big police sting discovered one hundred
and thirty three vehicles had been had been imported into
the country in twenty twenty that had suspicious odometers. They
were reported from Japan. But love to hear from you
if you're in the industry, if you're a mechanic, an
electrical mechanic, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Good text here, Hi, Matt and Tyler.

(29:37):
Winding backspeedos has huge implications for rucks when rucks were introduced.
For trucks, it was required fitting Habad's omitter I think
is how you say it that could not be tampered with.
Can't imagine fitting a Hubbard dome to every car in
New Zealand from gym.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Thanks for that, Jim. When I was seventeen, many decades ago,
says this text. I would use my dad's car now,
and then I knew he would check the trip meter,
so I thought I was onto it, so reset it
had to do two hundred kilometers that night with all
the boys to get it back just over from when
I left. Didn't realize you also checked the Your doometer
was busted the next day. Where the heck had you been?

(30:16):
Did you go last night? Chairs from Glenbrook? Oh, that's
a bit of it. It's a bit like the old well,
you know, topping up the vodka with water in the
Drenks cabinet, putting a bit of tea and the whiskey.
I hope it's never discovered and it's going, you see,
how are you going to push it with your rocket fuel?
When it comes to you know, in your dad's expense

(30:37):
of Scott is now seventy five percent Earl gray. Yeah,
you're liable to get in trouble. That's that. That's the
car equivalent.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Exactly eight hundred eighty is the number to call George.
How are you.

Speaker 6 (30:52):
God, I've got four points here very quickly, if I
may go for it. One is when you're driving a
car and you push the accelerator, The accelerator pedal hangs
most vehicles or all day today, hang down from the
top and your foot sits on the floor. So when
you push the accelerator, your shoe actually rubs against the

(31:15):
accelerator as you push it in and out. That means
the accelerator pedal slightly gets worn continually. If you buy
a car, have a look at it and see how
worn that pedal is, because if it's a low miles
high worn pedal, you've got a problem. The other thing
is the thing is your your right hand shoe ends

(31:36):
up getting worn as a result. And if you look
at your right hand shoe sole, usually it gets worn
out way faster than your left hand shoe.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
You might be onto something they're just having and we
look at the shoes.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
So if the guy's saying it right, if there's twenty
thousand on the dometer, and the guy's got a hole
in the front of.

Speaker 6 (31:53):
His worn out accelerator pedal problem.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
And a hole on the shoe, then you've got a
problem shoe.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
The second thing is if you're buying a car second
hand and your suspect about the speed dough ask them
for the speed will note it from your advertisement and
also the registration plate, take it to your local garage
and ask them to check it up on the warrant
fitness system to see what the speedo should be for
the time of year. You know, every six months. It's

(32:21):
been noted on the warr and a fitness sheep, so
they'll soon tell you if it's right or wrong. If
someone is winding their speedo back and running it like that,
they have got no idea about the actual miles the
motor's done, and they are actually wearing the motor out
if they're not servicing it correctly as a result. The
third thing is if you do have a vehicle that's

(32:43):
been imported, by the time it gets for sale, it's
been through the end of TA then number and all
the rest of its certification checks, you will probably have
no way to find out if it's been previously wound
back possibly at the country that it came from, and
so your chances are very low. You just take the

(33:03):
gamble that you like the vehicle looks pretty. They've done
a repaint on it. Whis I looked at one vehicle
I had was an import. They totally repainted the vehicle
and everything. There was no way you could work out
how old the car actually was.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
And that's the danger, right George, that if you individuals
are looking to import just a vehicle for themselves, and
it might be a lot cheaper from Japan than you're
going to go through that ADMIN. The warror is once
against to the country you go through the vin process.
Oh boom, we found out this car was dropped in
water at some stage, or it's been in a heavy
collision or had its OWO round back.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
If you're buying a car from a country that's had
floods recently, you could well be getting a flood dangers
written off vehicle that's been redone up in that country
and now being sold in the Zealand.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
Interesting, You're electronic data of your speedo is being recorded
by your computer management system. And my guess is if
you've tried wine in the spiedo back. That change in
the speeder will also be logged in there is the
new setting because it doesn't delete the logs, it stays
there as part of the computer. Now, one of the

(34:09):
issues is people change their computers from one vehicle to
another because they buy a secondhand one and they discover
it doesn't work because all the settings of in numbers
and everything for that computer says it's this car, but
your other computers in your present car says no, I'm
not on this one. So the whole thing grinds to
a whole So you can't just swap computers out.

Speaker 7 (34:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:31):
Right, So I'm not sure about these guys that fiddle
the speeder on a digital system because there's going to
be things in there record the fact that it's been fiddled,
and your insurance has just gone out the window.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yeah yeah, I mean it seems like there's a lot
of risk involved in doing that sort of thing. But George,
thank you very much, really appreciate you giving us a buzz.

Speaker 6 (34:53):
You're welcome.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Go Well, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. It is eleven to two.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
My dad just takes it through. Is that why I
struggle to get a buzz on from when you're about
fourteen onwards in regards to me from his liquor cabinet
and replacing it with tea water. Yeah, there's gin. That
was some good El Gray as gin took an absolute
pounding vodka everything. Actually, yeah, boy boy had a bad
night on a Southern comfort.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Though victimless crime. It is ten to two. Back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Taylor Adams
Afternoons news Talk.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Said me, very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
It is eight to two and we're talking about winding
the odometer back. There was a big police sting found
a whole bunch of cars in the country that it
had exactly that done.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
How easy has it been?

Speaker 2 (35:48):
You had a lot of trouble for doing that, Jamie.
You welcome for the show.

Speaker 16 (35:53):
Yeah, Ka, guys, So.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Tell us your story. You were in the industry in
the nineties.

Speaker 7 (35:57):
Is that right?

Speaker 17 (35:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (35:59):
While I was in the tyre industry, fellas and and
I think speed out flicking was probably a little bit
more rife back in the day. But I've got a
great story that actually didn't work out in favor of
the dealer. I happened to be doing some work for
a dealer, doing some tires, and I came across a

(36:20):
vehicle that was in the yard and I was looking
at it and I thought, wow, this thing's incredible. And
on a tire there's a date code which is when
it was manufactured, at the date and the year it
was manufactured. And I looked at all the tires on
the vehicle and it was a four wheel drive, so
I'd had the spear on the back and that was
exactly the same, and all five had the same date code.

(36:42):
And I said to the dealer, I says, man, this
thing's like brand new. I mean the tires had only
just had the knobs run off them. And he said,
what do you mean And I said, well, look, these
tires are like brand new. And he says you're joking
and I said no, no, no, this thing must be
just about you. And he says, seeze, you've just cost
me cost me twenty grand And I said why is that?

(37:04):
And I says, well, when I bought it in Japan,
it had fourteen thousand k's on the clock. We figured
that they've done one hundred and fourteen thousand k's, so
we had them, had them flick it back to sixty.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Back fine, and.

Speaker 16 (37:22):
It turned out that this actually was almost brand new.
This actually only done fourteen thousand kilometers. So one way
to check if you are buying a vehicle that's not
that old. There's a four digit date code on the tires,
and if the tires matched the year of the vehicle,
all five of them, then chances are the mileage is
pretty accurate. Obviously that's not going to work of a

(37:43):
tad new tires put on, but that's just a I
thought that's a great week story.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, it's a fantastic way to thank you so much
for sharing, Jamie.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
Nine ninety two is the text number a couple of
texts here.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
The so called KM sticker on windscreen is often lies.
The importers are bloody smart, trust me.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
In this one, guys, I had a Ford Curier two
thousand and it's all I had to do was crawl
underneath on my back and not unplug it. But Jimmy,
the odometer plugs slightly and it wounds it back. That's
from Robbo Easy as.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Someone was saying that what you do is you just
find a complete dash and everything from a car with
a lower reading the dominator, and just replace a domitter
and just replace the whole whole thing.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah, makes sense. Just rip it out and get a
brand new one. A get a guys.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Years ago, I was trying to sell my old Commodore.
I had done three hundred and twenty thousand k's and
neck it couldn't move it, and Mate told me to
wind the clock back to sixty thousand k's. He asked
me a few weeks later how I was getting on
selling it selling it? I asked, why would I want
to sell it? It's only done sixty thousands.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
So while rolling back the domitters is getting harder and
harder as the cars talk to their manufacturers. That we've
seem but obviously you shouldn't do it anyway, right, because
it's fraud and a moral and also you will get
a mass of fine and end up in prison. And
one thing is sure for sure, we've learning this hour.
Don't do what Cam from your Spieler's day off did
and put your dad's vintage Ferrari on stocks and shove

(39:12):
it into reverse. That that was never gonna work. I
can't wait.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
You'll look on the bastard space.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Horrific to watch. But apparently it was a replica.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Yeah, I didn't know he had it in in cam.
Fantastic movie and what a great chat. Thank you very much.
Coming up after two o'clock where you donor conceived a
great story in the Herald Today we are going to
have a chat to the author Rachel Mayer. But keen
to hear your stories as well. Oh eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty nine to nine too. It is
the text number new Sporting Weather coming up. You're listening
to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
afternoons news talks.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
It'd be very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show.
It is seven pass two. This is going to be
a really interesting hour. How can you I know if
you are who you are, rather if you don't know
where you came from? That was the question that spoon
New Zealand Herald reporter Rachel Mayer to embark on a
journey to find the other half of her DNA. It's
on the Herald now you can give it a read.

(40:20):
It is a lovely story but fascinating her trying to
track down her biological farmer, a father who was a
spoon diner.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yes, so are you in a similar situation? Have you
been involved in this? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
would love to shar some stories of donor conceived children.
Have you had one? Are you one? And look, as
I said before, having children is an amazing thing, you know,
as I was saying, for me, being a dad has
been the most important thing in my life. Not everyone

(40:50):
wants to be a parent, but for me, it's been incredible.
I've defined myself as a dad first for everything else.
So if you want that and can't have it, then
this is obviously a great option. It can be a
beautiful thing to find out. And this story is really, really,
really amazing, and I encourage you to read the article
in the Herald. But there are also some problems with

(41:13):
it as well, and potential potential horror stories. Yeah, oh,
one hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
If you have been donor conceived and you went through
that journey yourself, or indeed, if you were a SPOM
donor and somebody contacted you, we'd love to hear your
stories on Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If
your text through nine two ninety two his.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Text he just came through. Thank God for modern science,
families being able to have kids that would be able
to this stoner situation is a beautiful thing. A friend
of mine had cancer, got blasted and couldn't have kids
because of it. He survived, then their donu option came up.
He now has three amazing children and is the best,
most grateful father you could imagine. Shout out to Eddie

(41:56):
if he's listening. He's a big fan of your show.
It's chocky here. If he's listening, he'll know who I
am proud of you.

Speaker 7 (42:02):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah, that's a lovely story.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call,
and coming up we are going to have a chat
to Rachel Mayer who told her story in the Herold.
That is coming up, but we're keen to hear your
stories as well. It is ten past two.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Wow your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams
Afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
So, how can you know who you are? If you
don't know where you came from.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
That was the question that this year spurned Herald reporter
Rachel Mayer to embark on a journey to find the
other half of her at DNA. Her story is up
on the Herald right now. The headline is my donor
and me What it was like meeting my sperm donor
after years of wondering. It's a great read. And Rachel
joins us in the studio right now. Hi, Rachel, Hey guys.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Now, Rachel, can you take us back to when you
were eight years old and first learned you were donor conceived?
How did that hit you as a child.

Speaker 18 (42:54):
Well, it is recommended eight years old is like the bear,
the earliest age you should be telling kids, because before
then they don't really have any sense of people coming
from anywhere, you know what I mean. Man, you're only
just saying to be like, where do babies come from?
And things like that, and you're only just starting to
get a sense of self, And so they recommend it
before you start kind of building up any kind of

(43:16):
wider sense of self about who you are. That's when
you explain it then. And so it wasn't exactly earth shattering.
I write and my piece that we were told and
when my parents said, you know, go to McDonald's, and
they distracted us with tapping meals and we went on
our merry way. And it wasn't until I was about
a liven when I started looking at my friend's parents
and being out and being really curious at putting together

(43:38):
the different parts of them that made them up, and
feeling quite sad I couldn't do the same. And I
was also obsessed with show Missing Pieces with David Lomas,
fantastic show, and I would picture myself like going through
it with David Lomas and finding my sperm donor with
Prance across the field together and race this big hug
with the big music and all of that.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
So you talk about wondering and worrying about who your
donor might be as you got older from a what
were your concerns and fears.

Speaker 18 (44:10):
Well, it's really the basis of why I decided to
share the story, because when you research anything to do
with donor linking, there's very few positive stories. They're kind
of considered boring. It's always Oh, I found out my
sperm Dina was a crazed scientist fathered five hundred children
like all the documentary said or the other horror story.
One that I really was really anxious about was the

(44:33):
ones of marrying your half brother.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Or sis sister. These stories.

Speaker 18 (44:36):
Yes, So in twenty nineteen I reached out to tell
your associates to ask, you know, do I have any
half siblings floating around out there? And I found out
that I had a half sister born in the same
year as me, two thousand and a half brother born
in two thousand and one, wow, to two separate families.
And from then on I just didn't date anyone for.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
That was my work around.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
This must be must have been a complex part. How
did you decide what to say in the first letter?
And how did you address Well, we'll find out soon
his name is Wayne, But how did you address Wayne
in the first letter?

Speaker 18 (45:10):
What do you say? Donut to who? Maybe my father?
Are you out there?

Speaker 8 (45:15):
Like?

Speaker 18 (45:15):
It was just a you know, speaking to the void.
So I just said, cured her. I have had these
three pieces of paper on you. It says zero identifiable.
I hope that's still the case. I just kept my
information really really brief. I am a journalist, and that
can be quite a controversial job. Who knows, And I
don't know who this man was. We sre half you know,
I have it half as DNA, but he's a perfect stranger.

(45:37):
He could have changed a lot since he donated who knows,
And so it was just really really brief, just like
please reply if you want.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
To, not just like please yeah, And then you got
a response back from Wayne.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
How did you feel when you got that letter back?

Speaker 18 (45:53):
Did not expect to be as emotional as I did,
and I think I didn't. I put a lot of
my fears just to the back of my brain when
I started the process, and when I opened it up,
it was immediately clear that he was just the loveliest,
kindest guy. I think one of the words was like
something I dreamed of had finally signed to Beer Fruit.
He was just so excited that I reached out to him.
And coincidentally, just the week I had sent my letter,

(46:17):
he had moved recently to Tims from living in the
from other part of White Coat of Ages, and he
had reached out to Fertility Associates to reupdate his information
from then and he got a call back. So he
was expecting it but to be like, oh, something was
ented wrong, but it was actually that that had my letter,
and he was just beyond shocked. He told me later
like he was crying when I got his letter.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
I cried, like very emotional. Was gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
So you first saw what he look like in a photo?
Was that correct?

Speaker 19 (46:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
And did did you immediately recognize parts of yourself and him?

Speaker 18 (46:48):
It was nuts. I can't explain the experience to a
single other person. You have to go through yourself. I
had found out his first his full name through an email,
and I wanted to wait to see him in person,
but I two sleepless nights later, I just could not wait,
and so I researched a photo and I was actually
at my desk and I lipped back a sort of
I saw him because my eyes were staring back at

(47:10):
me the exact same color I have. My eyes are
slightly different shapes, which I just thought was like some
you know, something not genetic. But he has that exact
same thing, the same smile. It was absolutely insane.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
And your parents went on to meet Wayne as well.
What was that meeting? Like, I mean, you told that
beautiful story about how your mum reacted, but that must
have been quite full on for them as well.

Speaker 18 (47:33):
Yeah, So we went and we met him at Mission
Bay with my older brother and my twin sister who obviously.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
So was this the first meeting with them? Yeah, they
came to the first meeting.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Yeah, so I met them.

Speaker 18 (47:43):
I met with him, Me and my siblings met with
him independently for like half an hour just beside the fountain,
and then we met up with my parents at the
at a restaurant nearby. And I did that just because I, again,
he was a stranger to me. I'd emailed him, I
texted him and things, but I just wanted to include
my entire family in that. And you just never know
when you're entering into this. You don't know what the

(48:05):
other people's expectations are. I didn't know it time if
he thought he was going to take a fatherly role
in my life, and so I kind of wanted to
bring my dad there to be like I already have
a dad, but ended up being not a worrit or.
He doesn't want to take that kind of role. He
just wanted to meet me, and you know, see what
we came out to be.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah, So talk us through how you feel now compared
to how you did before meeting Wayne.

Speaker 18 (48:31):
I kind of waited until I didn't feel like I
was going to be a kind of missing part of
myself to do it, because I didn't want to go
out and look for him with some kind of ulterior
motive or anything like that. But after the fact, I
definitely feel like I know myself better. It's it's there's
a lot of talking Maldi principles about knowing who you
are and your fucker papa, and I think that's kind

(48:52):
of what I've discovered and what's really really important for
me to go on now and live my life as
an adult. I'm almost twenty five, and I feel like
I definitely, for the first time, truly know who I
am and what makes me me.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Fantastic. And I guess finally, Rachel, would you recommend this
to other donor children, and if so, what advice would
you give them?

Speaker 5 (49:13):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (49:13):
Man, I wouldn't trade this experience in the world. I'd
recommend it a thousand, a thousand times over. I'm hoping
that now I get to meet my two half siblings.
I might have a dream that they're going to see
my video and email, like I think I might.

Speaker 14 (49:24):
Be related to you.

Speaker 18 (49:25):
All the advice to just go out into it without expectation.
Do not listen to the horror stories. They're much much
more rare than people would like you to believe. Like,
this is what I wanted to do when sharing my story.
Hopefully people can see that very often. It's a very positive,
very cool experience.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
And it didn't affect adversely your relationship with your parents
that you grew up with.

Speaker 18 (49:48):
No, No, I mean I was always, as you can imagine,
was anxious that my dad might react in a certain way.
But he has been the most incredible figure and just
proven what kind of dad he is and proven that
it doesn't take biology to make you a dad. It
takes a lot more than that, and he's only been
incredibly happy and incredibly supportive of us.

Speaker 7 (50:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Yeah, beautiful story. And you didn't even need David Lomax
in the end.

Speaker 18 (50:11):
No, no, although you know, if he wants.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
To or Mission Bays are pretty missing pieces placed to
they're definitely inspired.

Speaker 19 (50:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Really nice to chat with you Rachel and all the best. Oh,
thank you guys, Madam Taylor.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
What a phenomenal story that is from Rachel and really
appreciate her coming in studio to have a chat with us,
but keen to get your stories. I eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. You've heard Rachel's and there'd be a lot
of people out there who were donor conceived or indeed
were a sperm donor themselves.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Yeah, this Texas says you've got to tell kids before
they start getting on Tinder. New Zealand is too small,
so easy to end up with a half sister or something. Yep,
should be lord to tell them before they're sixteen. Man.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Yeah, well that was one of the elements that caused
Rachel to to try and track down her biological father
because she was in the dating game at the time. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've managed to track
down your biological parents, love to hear your stories. And
on the flip side, if you were a sperm donor,
did you get a letter, did you get a phone
call from someone who suspected they were one of your children?

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yeah, and there's this city similar stories. Just an adoption,
isn't there? Flattered with the Lass in Hamilton in nineteen
eighty six, she was adopted, She found her birth mama
and they both worked together at farmers in Hamilton.

Speaker 7 (51:25):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
Yeah, that is a great story. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Love to hear yours.
It is twenty one past.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Two Matt Heathan Tyler Adams. Afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
News Talks EDB. It is excuse me, it is twenty
three pasts two. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. And we are talking about
sperm donor story. So a great story in the Hero
written by Rachel Mayer. She tranked down her biological father
as she was a She was a donation conceived or
donor conceived. I believe is the word, and so I

(52:02):
love to hear your stories. Nineteen nine two is the
text number.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Guy, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (52:07):
Here you go. Back in the nineties, I went through
a process with some people that were friends of a
friend of mine, and they couldn't have any more children,
and they dearly wanted another one, and so I put
my hand up. Cut the long story shorts. We became
friends before the child was born, and I was always

(52:31):
in the background his uncle Guy, and in fact it
wasn't even uncle Guy, and it was this guy and
It was always part of the well, not the agreement,
but they always wanted the child to know that before
she was ten, that she was you know, she wasn't

(52:51):
from the father as she knew it for what happens
in the future moving forward, which is kind of kind
of lucky because her father as he was ditched the
Australia and which left to without a dad so to speak,

(53:11):
and he had very little to do with her, if anything.
Some years and her and I became like daughter, and
I'm talking about after she's seventeen now, and she purchased
a kit for me because she had already done one,
and I did that and the results came back and

(53:33):
it said that this person as she is forty nine
nine percent DNA match with you. We're suggesting this girl
as your daughter, which is which is kind of cool
because if she did that and then found out that
her dad was and her dad, if she was never
told the truth about things, it would have all come out.

(53:54):
So hey, I know you go, yeah, that was that
was a battle. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
So how old was she was she when she was
told guy?

Speaker 7 (54:04):
She was just before ten, yeah and seven.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Now, how does she react to being told that that
uncle Guy was actually her you know, biological dabt.

Speaker 7 (54:18):
Well, I think because who and she knew him skipped out. Yeah,
she was actually quite toughed, to be honest. And you know,
we do Christmases together and birthdays and she always comes
for Father's Day. She was about an hour and a
half from me.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (54:35):
And you know, so we we have quite a bit
to do. We talk regularly and we'll keep in touch.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Do you have any other kids?

Speaker 11 (54:41):
Go?

Speaker 7 (54:42):
I do. I was never going to have any it
was it was always my fan. I had three god
children at the time. I was quite happy to keep
it that way. And even a partner I had had
different ideas. So anyway, fast the best thing that ever
happened to me. I didn't realize that, but it certainly
is the best thing that ever happened to me. I
love having kids.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Yeah, and sorry, and so that do do your other
kids have a relationhip chip with this young lady?

Speaker 7 (55:12):
Yeah? Yeah, nothing, but not that they hang out together
or anything, but you know at Christmas and that we
all hang out and yeah, and and of course she
takes the mickey out of them. My younger boy's just
gone seven, come up to seventeen and he's just got
his license and stuff, and and yes he likes to
take the mickey out of him and so on the air,

(55:32):
it's they're like brother and sister, but just brought up differently.
I suppose.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Yeah, that's lovely.

Speaker 7 (55:37):
Guy.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Was it when you were a sperm downer and you
said you helped out your dear friends? There was it
always a part of you that wanted your daughter to
know that you were the biological father or you were
happy to leave that in the in the hands of
the other parents.

Speaker 7 (55:54):
Yeah, I was. I mean they were up front right
at the start. They said that they wanted her to know.
If I didn't want to know that it was me,
that was fine, but they needed to know that he
wasn't the real dad, just in case you find those
situations where there's a hospital going on and you need
the blood and they go this your father. And if

(56:14):
a child finds out after ten, they can actually get
quite angry what the fertility associates were saying, because they
do a big test on you to make sure that
you know what you're doing and you're sure that you're
doing is the right thing and stuff, so you know,
but yeah, when a kid finds out that fifteen sixteen,
and their hormones all over the place, and they can

(56:35):
actually get quite angry if if they're not told around
that eight nine, ten mark all thereabouts.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Makes sense, Now, guy, what was it like to see
your daughter as uncle guy for the first time, you know,
when she was just just a baby. To look on
here and know that she was your biological daughter but
you were going to be just uncle guy for a while.

Speaker 7 (56:59):
It was really cool. No attachment, seriously, I mean that,
I'm very, very practical, and I know what the agreement
was that we went into and stuff, and that's the
baby and stuff. But it was really neat. They actually
made me the Godfather's kind of But yeah, but I

(57:21):
I certainly, But because I didn't want to have children,
it was kind of cool that I'd be able to
see what I would have turned a child of mind
would have turned out like yeah, and that was that
was probably the exciting part of it, is that, yeah,
I won't have any kids, but at least I get
to see one that that sort of looks like me
because it was half me. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
And what about your relationship with the mother, did that
always stay on good terms?

Speaker 7 (57:48):
Oh? Yes, yes, yes, yeah, you know, we're still reguling.
In fact, they have Christmas Is together and stuff and yeah, yeah,
all very nice. Yeah she's got and stuff.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Yeah, well that's cool. And was there any ever expectation
of once she knew that you were dad? Has there
ever been an expectation of finance support or anything like that.

Speaker 7 (58:10):
No, nothing's ever been put on me. I mean she
was I was with a woman that didn't really like
the idea of her being in the background. So between
the ages of about teen and seventeen, I saw very
little of her. But since my wife and I split up,

(58:32):
I see all the time. So from seventeen until now
when she's twenty seven, Yes, I see her like a
dad would with a child that's left home.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
And that seems complicated for me, you know. I mean,
if you don't mind me asking, what was the problem
with you? You know, you've done a nice thing. Some people
needed a donor. You were the donor. You've got this kid.

Speaker 7 (59:00):
It's quite simple. She's a bit of a narcissist and
she likes I had no friends. I had so many friends.
I had three god children, to my to my the
when we're talking about twenty four, I never got to
see any of them because my wife wouldn't really allow it. Right,
It's not what she said, it's the consequences of what
happened when you suggested doing something right. Wow, it it

(59:25):
took me about six seven years to actually get a spine,
if you want to put another term.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Yeah, right, I mean massively complicated. But so good that
you've got this relationship with with this daughter and that
part of it has turned out so well. Yes, it
really is, really is and fantastic for her that you're
such a fantastic guy and that you could step in
when her when her father was found wanting and ran off.

(59:52):
I mean that's that's you know, for her, that that's
that's you know, a bonus, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (59:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (59:58):
It is because she hit two other sisters too, and
both of them are now dead, which is really hard
for her. So families getting less.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Wow. Yeah, tragic.

Speaker 7 (01:00:09):
It's a real, real shame. That's me. She's a strong
girl and I love it, love it a bit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Oh man, God, thank you so much for sharing that
story with us. It's an incredible Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:00:21):
But just to take my head off to her mother,
Her mother's done all the work. She's an awesome girl
who's at twenty seven owns two houses, but that's her
mother's been who brought her up. You know, I'm pleased
to have been there in the last ten years or so.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
Yeah, thanks so much for giving us about and it
sounds like you're all very good people involved in that situation.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you were donor conceived. Love to hear your story,
if you were a sperm donor yourself or a donor
egg donor. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It is twenty eight to three.

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Now back to Mass and Tyler.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we are talking about
being a donor conceived baby or being a sperm donor.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Yeah, and so many texts coming through us, you know,
celebrating a guy who rang up before Guy What an
awesome guy? Yes, guy, what an awesome guy? One if
that's intentional, But guy was an awesome guy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
He was a good dude. Absolutely, that was a.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Really good chat. Also this text here, Tyler, you muppet,
It's David Lomas, not Dovid Lomax.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Where did I get Lomax from?

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
There was a company called Lomax. David Lomax. He should
change his name to David Lomax.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
That sounds good that she is a cool name. But yeah,
he makes great, he makes great.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
He's a good man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
David's making the mothers that called investigations David Lomas low mass.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Investigations with Lomax.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
I'm doubling David Lomas investigates.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Okay, I'm watching that one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
David Lomax investigate.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Thank you. That's a bit of title, but thank you
very much for the text.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Yah Landa, welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Hi, very good. Now what's your story?

Speaker 11 (01:03:15):
My story is not chechnically a spirmed down it as
what you guys are talking about. But my mom and
my dad were newly immigrants to New Zealand. But they
learned a couple when they came to New Zealand. So
I guess they jaked up purely out of loneliness and
our friendships, and then one thing lead to another and
I came along. But it was done for like I

(01:03:37):
don't know how long. It was a very brief moment
and he only saw me the once when I was
about two years old, and then that was the last time.
And we reunited so to speak, when I was thirty
years old, so it's like twenty eight years where he
didn't know me and just the one off of us

(01:03:58):
that when when I was two years old. So yeah,
and we you know, I found out, you know, he's
a themed just my mom. He got married and had
four children, so the eldest daughter she wrote to me,
and that was a shock hour of the blue. And

(01:04:20):
then I think it's probably within six months. I wrote
to my letters to my dad, telling him basically about
my life and yeah, and then we meet at the
end of nineteen ninety nine and yeah, that was the
day before Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Wow, beautiful. And have you stayed in contact for the
last twenty six years since then?

Speaker 11 (01:04:44):
Yeah, yeah, we stayed in contact. Obviously. It was a
bit awkward at at the beginning, you know, not so
much was to my dad, but being introduced to my
other siblings because you know, they were told about me,
So there was about I think they're either sixteen or eighteen,
so yeah, it was yeah, all the adjustment, you know,

(01:05:06):
to have one brother, to have four each childlings. Yeah, yeah,
it was. It's, you know, really awesome now that at
least I know my identity who my dad is. And
my mom would say, you look you look like your father.
And it's really weird, like we see the wink thing,

(01:05:28):
you know, where we wink when we talk. He likes
carrot cake. I love carrot cake. He doesn't like cook carrots.
I don't like cook carrots, but we both like raw carrots. Figure.
You know, it's in the DNA for sure. And I
look so much like him. And you know, when I

(01:05:50):
saw him, I was like, are we quiet? You see,
I'm very outspoken by this. We did quiet and I
was like, oh my goodness, you ah my dad. We
look so I'm just a female version of my dad.
You know. Yeah, But it's been good, you know, you know,
it's very skin to know each other. What's the simbling.

(01:06:11):
It's been trial and error, but you know it's awesome.
It's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
So do you do you know the reason? If you
don't mind me asking land Landa, why you between two
and thirty that twenty eight years where you didn't have
a relationship do you know why that was why he
only saw you when you two.

Speaker 11 (01:06:31):
I think I don't know exactly why they lost contact.

Speaker 8 (01:06:34):
I don't know that, but.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
He was aware you existed.

Speaker 11 (01:06:39):
He was aware they existed. Yeah, you know, he you know,
Mum told him, you know, I'm having your baby. And
he saw me when I was two. That's what I've
been told. He saw me when I was two, and
then and he took photos and I gave Himum a
copy and he obviously kept the copy. And then the

(01:07:00):
next twenty eight years went by, and you know, it's
always in the back room because he you know, over
the years, time to get married. I sort of I
don't want to make the first step because I thought
this is going to be difficult. Do I make the
first step? Because she's got four siblings, I didn't know
whether they knew about me or not. And then of

(01:07:22):
course I got the letter from my sister and I
was blind away, and you know, it's just not these
feelings that I never thought I had. And then I
think about six months later, I thought I have to
write to my dad, and I mean, she's made the opening,
and you know, I wrote to my dad and sent

(01:07:42):
some photos over the now like school photos and ball
photos and you know and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Yeah, actually sorry, no, no, no, you continue, sorry, I.

Speaker 11 (01:07:56):
Say we actually got very similar handwriting to make it
more ironic.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Did you harbor any resentment towards them for not being
being around, you know, seeing you at two and they're
not not not being in your life?

Speaker 11 (01:08:12):
No? I didn't really because I didn't know any better. Yeah,
if that made sense, I didn't know any better. And
the real yeah, I just didn't know any better. I
never had a dad in my life though, I didn't
know any better, so I didn't know what it was
like to have a dad. So and a real neuronic
thing about it was ten minutes away from.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Me, wow, really just down the road, Like yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:08:39):
It's basically they're off ten fifteen minutes by car, which
was really scary because I could have seen him a
million or one time and not even know about it.
You know, I would have Yeah, And it's the real
scary thing is you know I could have bumped into
him and we all have both looked at each other.
But yeah, it never happened. But yeah, it's a small

(01:09:03):
word on it. And when it comes to like, you know,
he's knowing your Dad's only fifteen minutes way. You've never
mixed a guy, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Well what a fantastic story. Yeah, Landon, I'm glad that's
all worked out for you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Very cool. Oh eight.

Speaker 4 (01:09:16):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you're a sperm donor, if you're a donor
conceived baby, or you've got an adoption story. Really can
never check with you. Nineteen nine too, is a text number.
It is seventeen to three.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Or if you're David Lomax, the x kei We rugby
league player, would like to hear from you as.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Well, good man, the issues.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
Very good afternoon, Juit. It is fourteen to two three.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
This text has just come through. Its interesting. Hi guys,
I was a test you baby, I had a womb
with a view from Jason.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Well done.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Thanks for your contribution, Jason.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
It's very good.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
We appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
That's the sort of text we love around here. Thank
you very much. Joe.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Lee,
how are you this afternoon.

Speaker 15 (01:10:03):
Good, thank you, How are.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
You very good? So what's your story?

Speaker 15 (01:10:07):
Well, in nineteen seventy two, I was adopted out, and
so I wasn't spirm donut or anything. But obviously, when
you're talking about this as push buttons, I guess a
few people were getting their buttons pushed from this one.
But my adopted parents were the best people, right, And

(01:10:28):
I never really thought about trying to find out. I
didn't care I would. I just decided that that was
I didn't need to know. But as I got older,
my adopted mother was pushing for me to find out
because I was always wondering what countries I was from,
you know, where's my bloodline go? And in the end

(01:10:51):
I searched for her and found her at the bottom
of the South Island and went and met up. And
she was a nice, nice woman, but she was very
judgmental of the family that I was adopted into.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Well odd yeah, Well.

Speaker 15 (01:11:19):
They were Roman Catholics, and the reason she adopted me
out was because basically she was as soon as she
got pregnant, she was taken from that town.

Speaker 7 (01:11:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Yeah, that was a rough time, wasn't it. That kind
of thing.

Speaker 15 (01:11:32):
Yeah, And then she had to get rid of the baby,
so I was adopted out. And basically she said, oh, look,
I wanted you in a religion, in a Roman Catholic family.
That's what I told him. They had to do. You know,
I don't think you get a choice on that. But
I was like, well, because my dods apparents they don't

(01:11:54):
believe the atheist No, they don't believe in God, and
I have different beliefs to them as well. But I
was like, why would you in this situation, why would
you be bringing that up, you know? And then and
then I asked about my father and she gave me
his name. She'll see you'll never find him, you know.
So she was really quite I know, it just didn't

(01:12:17):
click right. And then when I went back up north
and she never got in touch with me again. And
then one day I was moving christ Church and I
got hold of her again. So, look, I'm moving to
christ Church and I hear that you've moved here from
my grandmother, and why don't we catch up, you know,

(01:12:40):
have a chat. And she was like, oh, no, I
don't think I can. Actually I don't think I want to.
And I was like, oh, okay, well and I'm not
going to be hard on her for it.

Speaker 7 (01:12:51):
I was like, okay, well that's what you want, that's
what you want.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Do you think that there might have been because the
emotions going through her head, because even though it's not
her fault what happened, and it was, it was, you know,
it was the times, she is probably dealing with a
little bit of guilt, and sometimes guilt can manifest in
and interesting ways. Did you see what I mean ly.

Speaker 15 (01:13:15):
Yeah, yeah, I understand.

Speaker 7 (01:13:16):
Now.

Speaker 15 (01:13:18):
She had a son and my half brother, and she
said to me, I don't really like you that you've
got I've got tatoos, right, And she didn't like that,
and she was like, I don't want any bad influences
on my son. Wow, well you know, I'm not going
to push anything on him. And I met him and
he's great. He's a great kid. He was in the

(01:13:39):
army at the time, and she I don't think she
hadn't even worry about And he was on my Facebook
for a while and then he just took himself off.
This pid always said hay birthday or at that time,
but I never really heard from him either. And I
was like, Okay, I don't know what to do there.
The bonus thing was I found out my background was

(01:14:01):
Scottish Irish and on my father's side was Irish Scottish.
Because I and she gave me the name of my father,
I decided I will hold go and find him. And
the only thing she knew about him is that he'd
come from Australia and he was back in the day
they used to go to the different pubs and be

(01:14:24):
waiters at the different pubs because you know, the government
owned the pubs back then.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Yeah, looking at the cargo now.

Speaker 15 (01:14:32):
Yeah, so so, and he was a firefighter and chrostier.
So I went and I actually went up to the
fire department and said, who's the oldest firefighter here? And
they said, well, well this guy, yeah, he's in charge
of everything now.

Speaker 7 (01:14:49):
He lives though.

Speaker 15 (01:14:50):
There was a house that the fire department had in
christ Church, so he's over there now. And I was okay,
so off my wind around and knocked on the door
and then I said who I was and who I
was looking for, and he was like, wow, you're the
sick in person to come here looking for that person,
because apparently he had a daughter in christ Church as well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Oh wow, my half.

Speaker 15 (01:15:16):
Sister somewhere if he is my father, and so he
gave me his number and I wrung him and he
basically he was like, I don't know, I can't remember,
you know. I was like, well, you know, I can't
remember everything too, you know, I kind of get that.
But were you in that area at the time. He's like, yeah,

(01:15:36):
I was, but you know, they wasn't that keen. But
what I did find out was that he was Irish
Scottish and that he had three children in Australia. So
but that was as far as it went. Like I
gave him my number and my address and he never
got back to me. So I don't know. I yeah,

(01:15:57):
I guess my adopted mother would say that I'm still
I'm still not all right with everything, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:16:03):
Yeah, so what do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Yeah? But I mean, but you're your adopted peers are
fantastic and you have that family support with them.

Speaker 15 (01:16:13):
Oh, you know, they are the best people ever, you know.
But the problem is I never felt connected to anyone
else in their family. All my cousins and all the
aunties and uncles, everybody was involved with our family. I
couldn't connect to them as family. And so my.

Speaker 7 (01:16:33):
Doctor mum and dad.

Speaker 15 (01:16:34):
Definitely my mom and dad. I didn't we weren't. I
guess we didn't spend a lot of time with them
either because we went up north, but I couldn't connect
to any of them.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
So yeah, Lee, thank you very much for giving us
a buzz. A hell of a thing you've gone through,
but appreciate your candor. It is seven to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Three, the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
He'd be news talks, there'd be. It is four to three.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
He's a text from Marcus that was very cool from Lee.
Just incredible. What an amazing human being, one amazing story.
You just felt everything that you've been going through. I
hope you find peace with all of this. From Marcus. Yeah,
great story from Lee, what a great guy. We just
had a word to off here because we had to
cut them off of the ads. They came in like
a freight train and knocked Lee off when we were

(01:17:23):
really enjoying a story. But what a lovely chat.

Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
Yeah, absolute great human being. We're going to carry this
on after three o'clock because so many people want to
have a chat about these stories and love to hear yours.
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you
were a sperm donor, we're really keen to have a
chat with you. If one of your children did get
in touch, and on the opposite side of the equation,
if you were a donor conceived, love to hear your
story and adoption as well. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

(01:17:47):
eighty is the number to call. Weve got new sport
and weather coming up. Great to have your company as always.
Hope you having a great afternoon. You're listening to matt
and Tyler. Stay right here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
We will be back very shortly with more of your stories.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Yeah, your new homes are insateful and entertaining.

Speaker 10 (01:18:24):
Talk.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
It's Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sedby News.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Talk s Edby.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
Welcome back into the pro into the program. It's seven
past three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Just seconds ago, Tyler Adams on the other side of
the desk there from me said these headphones I'm wearing
aren't my normal headphones. I feel discombobulated. Yeah, and I
ran out of time because we had to go on
here to say does that mean because I've got my
current headphones that work on I'm combobulated.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
I suppose it does.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
If you're discombobulated, I must be combobulated. But no one
ever says combobulated.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
It's a good point. Nine two nine two. I've never
thought about that. It's a great word, discombobulated. I'm fair,
you combobulated.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
I'm feeling very combobulated.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
You look very combobulated, I've got to say. But nine
to nine two, if you know. And we have been
talking about sperm donors, so this was a great story
in the Herald.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
You can give it a read.

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
The headline is my donor and me what it was
like meeting my sperm donor after years of wondering. It
was written by Rachel Mayer, and we had a chat
with her earlier this hour.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Beginning.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
So many stories, adoptions stories and stories of being a
donor conceived child. Oh one hundred and eighty teen eighty
is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Hi, guys, not a donor story. But I'm sixty years
old and found out about a week ago that I
have a cousin I had never heard about before. I
had grown up knowing my cousin as an only child.
But it seems that before my aunt was married, she
fell pregnant. It's I need to him fell pregnant instead
of got pregnant. Her boyfriend at the time said he
was unable to marry her and she was sent to
a Catholic hospital where as soon as the baby was

(01:19:51):
born she was taken away. From what my cousin that
I grew up with has told me, her newly found
sister decided to do a DNA test and after years
of searching, this led to my aunt. Needless to say,
they had a very happy reunion recently. How good Karen. Hi, guys.
We're currently trying to find our half brother who would
have been adopted in Christchitch about fifty five years ago,

(01:20:12):
and mum died thirty five years ago, and we found
out last December that she had a baby boy when
she was sixteen. Because we're not one of the adopted parties,
we've had to apply through the court to get the
adoption records. These were submitted in February this year and
we are still waiting to hear back. It's really frustrating.
The court isn't returning our calls or our emails. I've

(01:20:33):
been trying to talk to someone for months. Hopefully we
hear something soon. I hope you do as well as
thank you for your text.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
Yeah, keep us updated with that. One oh e one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Love to hear your stories.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Matt and Tyler. Great subject matter and well presented by yourselves.
Top listening. Thanks rober See. I don't normally read out
the positive ones, but I started reading that and so on.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
You you're a top man.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
You feel a bit slimy, you know, we get a
lot of positive texts, but you feel a bit slimy
reading them. Ountain But that was nice.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
Thank you, roberthew Zealander. Hi you Joey. Hello, how are
you very good? We're keen to hear your story.

Speaker 19 (01:21:06):
My story goes back to two down eighteen. I've both
in the genealogy terms my father's brick wall and discovered
he jumps up in New Zealand and changed his name completely,
leaving a family in the UK. May last year, I
made contact with his granddaughter, my niece, and I have

(01:21:30):
just returned last Thursday by meeting her for the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Wow, how cool, very.

Speaker 19 (01:21:36):
Emotional, very emotional. Wow did we had known each other
for the whole of our lives. My two children and
her had the same grandfather, but he is my father.
He had two families twenty years apart, one in the
UK and one on New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
And did he keep any contact up with the other
family when he started this new family.

Speaker 16 (01:22:02):
No.

Speaker 19 (01:22:04):
Only And we talked about this last week in the UK.
We hope he was watching and saw what I had
discovered through DNA. Man, it was as pleased as we were,
and as emotional as we were over it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
Obviously, how nervous were you joy making that trip over
to the UK. That must have been something on that
flight thinking about meeting meeting this family of yours.

Speaker 19 (01:22:32):
It was even more nervous that night. The morning I
sat here in May last year and made a cold
call to someone.

Speaker 11 (01:22:40):
Who didn't know I existed.

Speaker 9 (01:22:43):
Them.

Speaker 19 (01:22:43):
Was told by her hold her husband she thought she'd
been scammed. The family thought it was a scam. I
sent her the information and she rang me twelve hours
later to say I've actually got family in New Zealand.
She's only she was only child.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Did you notice any sort of similar, you know, traits?

Speaker 19 (01:23:05):
I had a photo of her almost immediately after intact.
Everyone said the apple hadn't fallen fast from the tree.
My daughter and my son actually met her in September
last year because he was in UK and she went
to meet him as he came to on the train
from Paris, and he came back and said, Mum, you
have to go. My answer to that was at my age,

(01:23:27):
and I admit to being over eighty, I said, not
on my own. I've only ever been to Australia before,
and my daughter and her husband decided that we would go.
So I've just got home. As I say, at home,
I'm still unpacking and trying to get my head around

(01:23:49):
what I found and what I saw. But we were
it was just you'd have thought we'd known each other.
And on their farm they had actually put up a
New Zealand flag.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
It's beautiful to welcome you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Yes, oh wow. And when you say that your your
father jumped ship, what do you mean by that? Did
he actually jump to it?

Speaker 19 (01:24:12):
It was quite common back in the thirties. My husband's father,
my late husband's father, also jumped ship in New Zealand
and changed his name slightly. My father jump ship in
nineteen thirty one and changed his name completely. So of
course I would. I could never find anything out about
him until DNA came along.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Well, and do you And what does that make you
think about your father?

Speaker 19 (01:24:40):
Now that you know that, my younger brother and I
still say he was a good father to us. He
never harmed us. He was there all our lives and
quite frankly, I think we're all the whole family has
actually got the God's back. Those in u K and
the one here, we're like, how did this happen?

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
What did they think it happened to him?

Speaker 19 (01:25:05):
They understood that he had gone to see and to
be drowned at sea. But when we went through the
box in the UK last week, among all the stuff
that my niece had of her mother's that she had
not been through, we found that they had been legally
separated in nineteen twenty seven. He came to New Zealand,

(01:25:26):
I've discovered six times on the same ship that was
in forwards as a writer on the ship, and finally
decided he was going to stay here.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Well, from your perspective, that was a fantastic thing, because
if you wouldn't exist't I wouldn't be here.

Speaker 19 (01:25:42):
Yeah, yeah, but it's been a yeah, I can tell
you now the last two weeks have been extremely emotional
for everybody. I bet but to the next to be
greeted and welcomed and just part of the family. I
kept being told with part of the family. In fact,
I've been home since Thursday and I've really had two

(01:26:04):
phone calls.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Oh wow, wow, Yeah, because I was just going to
ask you if you're going to stay in contact. The
sounds that you definitely have no.

Speaker 19 (01:26:09):
No, no, They're asked telling me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
To come back.

Speaker 19 (01:26:13):
I'll have to win love.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
Joy, What a wonderful story, and it sounds like you
never gave up, and what a journey and how long
it took you to track down what had happened. And
you know, there's a lot of talk about those DNA companies,
but man, it obviously came through for you and your family.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Incredible, all right, even if they do sell the information
down the line.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Yeah, there is that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Hey, just on that other topic we were talking about, discombobulated.
You know there is no I've just been looking this up.
There's no such thing as combobulated. So discombobulated was a
word that was made up in eighteen thirty five, and
it was the fashion of the time in humorous columns
to make up words that sounded Latin that were completely

(01:26:57):
made up, so there was never combobulated. Someone said discombobulated,
and it was kind of like when you comb something,
you even something out, you know, like you're bringing order
to it. So discombobulated was just as completely made up
word for a joke, and it was first printed in
eighteen thirty five.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
I love that because it sounds so a high brow
saying discombobulated, But it turns out it which is a
nonsense word.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Now we'll get to the bottom of gruntled and disgruntled, right,
we'll do that next.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
But oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
Love to hear your stories if you're adopted or you're
a sperm donor or donor conceived. Really can never chat
with your sixteen past three.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
US talk said be it is eighteen past three, all.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Right, so you know we've got a side topic going
here with this fantastic main topic. But so gruntled is
actually a word, so discombobulated. There's no combobulated because discombobulated
was a word that was made up in eighteen thirty
five for a joke. Good research, but gruntled does exist,
So you can be gruntled. Gruntled means please, satisfied, and contented,
and you can be disgruntled.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
That that blows my mind, to be.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Honest, according to dictionary dot com, and it told means
you're happy. Yeah, okay, there we go. I'm hugely gruntled.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
You were usually gruntled.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
And I'm also whelmed?

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
Is welder word though? I saw that texts coming through overwhelmed, underwhelmed?
Can you just be whelmed? Is that somewhere right in
the middle.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
You're just neither happy nor sad, You're just whelmed your
room temperature.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Yeah, I'm just whelmed.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
I'm pretty whelmed most of the time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
I'm gruntled. I'm wound, I'm combobulated. Let's get on with
the show.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
Having a great chat about adoption stories or if you
were donor conceived and what kicked off this story was
a great article in The Herald by Rachel Mayer who
has just gone and met her a biological father after
discovering she was donor conceived.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
Hey, guys, when you're talking about this whole sperm donor thing,
can you go through the actual process of getting the sperm.
Now I think we'll actually skip that one. Thanks Texter.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
You can look it up if you just google it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
I don't think we'll drill right into that little part
of the story.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
No, No, you can find that information out easier.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
I'm sure you can look that up online. Vanessa, Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Hi, we are well. Hope you are too, Yes, yes,
I'm good.

Speaker 17 (01:29:14):
I haven't wrung room anytimes. A little bit nervous. But
I was adopted as a wee baby into a wonderful
family and you know, a happy life and all. But
I didn't wonder who I was and where I was from.
So I met my booth mother when I was about
forty and who she knew? Who my father was, my

(01:29:38):
birth father, but she'd never tell me. And there was
another lady, did you, And and because she wouldn't tell me,
they wouldn't tell me. So I've never been able to
find out who my father is. I know that he
was a sailor from Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
So you still haven't found out, Vanissa, No, No, what
what evidues have you tried? What have you tried? Avenues
outside of you know, asking family members, have you tried dnatists?
Or researcher anything like that.

Speaker 17 (01:30:10):
I don't even give a name. So I don't want
to waste money. I'm not a welder person. But if
I did a DNAGS, would it give me some sort
of idea or would it be just the poke.

Speaker 6 (01:30:24):
Of the dark?

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
Good question, and there'd be a lot of people listening
visa Vanessa that would would know, Oh, e one hundred
and eighteen eighty if you've gone through that route and
can give some more information to Vanessa. But why did
your birth mother ever say why she didn't want to
give you that information?

Speaker 17 (01:30:40):
Well, it was quite sensitive. She said that she was
loo because she was young. She said it was that
I'm not a credential thing, right, Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, And
I think that might be partly why you want me
to know. But the money was there and the money

(01:31:04):
is now, I would not be the same.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Yeah, you can understand, obviously you at your mother's point
of view and on that. That's yeah, that's that's rough.

Speaker 17 (01:31:15):
Yeah, yeah, I do, and I respect that, but it's
still said for me, you know, and I had a son,
you know, I mean, look the health issues and stuff
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
Well, if there's if there's more information that comes through
with people that have gone down that route. Vanessa, we
will certainly give you a buzz back, but look over
the over the last ninety minutes since we've been having
this conversation, it seems that the emergence of these companies
like ancestry dot Com and DNA and others has helped
people with that, you know, getting a bit more information

(01:31:49):
and digging down a bit further.

Speaker 17 (01:31:51):
Yeah, because I don't like true, I mean especially for
especially for my son. I mean they're living in Australia now,
and as he's part of Australian that's part of his
heritage as well. Yeah, you know he's got he's he's
got his Marty sir, and he's sort of English side,
but and as you hear, and I've got her Australian

(01:32:15):
side of that word bomb.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
Yeah, thank you so much for you call for Vanessa,
and good luck with that. And so I might be wrong,
so people can help me there. But I understand when
you do these ancestry sites, it will help you build
a family tree together, but it doesn't like pop up
with matches and give you names like I think there's
a bit more to it than that. Someone might be
able to explain it because I can't quite get my

(01:32:39):
head around it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
Yeah, I don't know either because I haven't done an
ancestry dot com. But if you know, I eight hundred
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
My sister did our DNA and she found out there
where basically mostly Irish and a bit of Scottish.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Right, good times? That makes sense now, oh one hundred
eighty ten eightys.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
There were absolutely no surprises of that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:59):
It is twenty four past three. I love your thoughts,
though I WATEE hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
Ethan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty on used talk ZV.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
So back to that DNA thing and looking for relations
high team, Yes, DNA will reveal relationships if the others
have done DNA as well. We're just doing it and
have uncovered previous unknowns. So they have to have put
their DNA up and said that they want to be found, gotcha,
And they have to be out there, so you can't.

(01:33:35):
It's just not going to give a list of people
that you are related to so you can go and
knock on their doors, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
Yeah, interesting Siah, How are you this afternoon? Hi, am good,
Thank you, very nice to chat with you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
So what's your story?

Speaker 20 (01:33:47):
Well, I fixed it in because I'm a sperm donor
baby and I, after talking to a friend, decided to
do ancestry dot com. So I thought it'd be interesting,
just you know, not knowing fifty percent of my genetics
where sort of my base genetics were from in the world,

(01:34:09):
and so I was quite surprised when I logged on
after I did the test to find that there was
a fifty parental match and that I had accidentally identified
my stirm Downer, who was a very lovely man who
offered to meet with me and ask any questions that
I had. I in the end decided not to meet him.

(01:34:34):
But it was a bit of a shock for me
because I'd been working in a reproductive sciences lab and
I knew from the work in that lab that for
people born during my or conceived during the period I was,
there was almost, you know, next to no chance that
you would be able to track that person down. But obviously,

(01:34:58):
with the advent of websites like ancestry dot com, that's
really turned everything on its head. And I think it's
something are really important for sperm donors, for you know,
potential parents, and for you know, sperm donor babies to know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
Now, you know, if you don't mind me asking Sarah,
why did you decide not to you know, contact your
your sperm donor.

Speaker 20 (01:35:28):
We did have contact, so we sort of talked back
and forth, and I asked kind of what was his motivation,
which was, you know, him and his wife's gone through
a syst reproductive technologies themselves and they wanted to pay
it forward for another couple. I just in the end
decided not to meet face.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
To face, right, And do you feel a connection at all?
You know that's popped up on your research and you
talked to did you feel any kind of connection or
was this just something you wanted to leave because it
didn't really matter and your big scheme of how your
life's running.

Speaker 20 (01:36:06):
Well, I think that was the reason why I decided
not to meet him in the end, was that my
father who raised me and loved me, he's my father.
This is a very very kind man who has given
me the most incredible gift in the world, But in
the end he's not my father.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Yeah, well that's that's really beautiful and fantastic that you
have a father that you feel like that about.

Speaker 4 (01:36:33):
You know, did you, Sarah, did you think that might
be a possibility when you went on to the ancestry
dot com and put in those details.

Speaker 20 (01:36:42):
Was that you mentioned in the realm of possibility? But
it wasn't something that had that I'd really, I think
had fully kind of crossed my mind that it would happen.
I'd kind of gone and with the assumption that most
spermed owners probably didn't want to be identified, this lovely

(01:37:07):
man had actually his DNA NS two ancestry dot com
on the off chance that there ever was a child
like me who had questions and he was willing to
put himself out there and answer them, which I think
is a really beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
Well, so that was his motivation for putting it out there.
Just if any of the people wanted to try and
find them, and do you know if you were the
only one that contacted them for so far so far?

Speaker 5 (01:37:36):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
Do you know what he looks like, Sarah?

Speaker 10 (01:37:39):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Does he look like you a little bit?

Speaker 11 (01:37:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
All right? And and was he keen to meet you
and continue sort of contact or does he just wanted
you to meet me?

Speaker 20 (01:37:52):
But he very much left it in the ball in
my court. It was up to me, which I really appreciated.
He was very respectful about that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Well, he sounds like a good man. And your your
actual father then, the one that brought you up, sounds
like a very good man as well. So you're the
lucky person, Sarah.

Speaker 20 (01:38:12):
I very much am.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
Yeah, sorry you finished.

Speaker 20 (01:38:15):
Definitely something for people to be aware about with these
sister reproductive technologies, because in a very short space of time,
the game has completely changed. And obviously, you know, I
was conceived in the eighties. I don't think anyone back

(01:38:36):
then could have realized the technology available in the twenty twenties.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Yeah. Absolutely, it's become incredibly complex and you know, and
so navigating it as you have, Sarah not easy. But
it sounds like you've found, you know, the path that
works best for you, and that that's great.

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
Thank you, Thanks very much for giving us a call, Sarah,
what a lovely story. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. We've got full boards
at the moment, but if you can't get through, keep trying.
It is twenty eight to four.

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Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we are talking about
spoom Donus stories and adoption stories as well.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
Oh one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
Call High Team. Yes, DNA will reveal relationships if the
others have done DNA as well. We are just doing
it and have uncovered previously unknown says Ronnie Eric. Welcome
to the show. What's your story?

Speaker 5 (01:40:57):
Well, yeah, We've got lots of stories about adoption because
I am adopted. You know, I probably I meet my
first mother, oh probably studio more years ago now, and
I still have a massively good relationship with her beef
mom that brought me up. She's passed away. We still

(01:41:21):
have a great relationship, and you know, I found a
lot of stuff. I was a musician and my dad
turned out to be a manager of VARs Air Records
in Australia and that's why I was into music. And
my sister's a blues musician. My uncle was a musician.
In fact, you're doing the same thing as me. At
the same time when we met there was a DJ

(01:41:43):
kariok Op writer and bands and stuff like that. So
it's right for the family. But I've got a that's
when I'm saying, it's not just an adoption story. It's
people don't realize that your DNA has so much information
in it, and I've learned this through my story.

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
To blow you go way, yeah, you carry on.

Speaker 4 (01:42:06):
Well, I was just going to say, you know, hearing
these stories worries and it is hard for me to
comprehend that I've got biological parents that I've always known.
But I can understand that side of things that if
I didn't know my lineage, that would be something that
would just claw away at me until I managed to
find out some of that information. So I can understand
that part of it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:26):
Yeah, it's even deeper than that, because you've got to like,
for thousands of years until you were born, people were
having reducing so that information was getting passed.

Speaker 15 (01:42:36):
Along right till the day you were born.

Speaker 5 (01:42:38):
Parts of everybody else's DNA and information and experiences in
their lives is memories those memories, even though you can't
remember them, there's parts of their information that lay in
your DNA. And I learned that as a child.

Speaker 15 (01:42:52):
I knew I wanted to be a musician. I was
into music.

Speaker 5 (01:42:54):
I was all parts of I mean, I'm definitely my
mom's my mom that brought me up. I'm her son
and on her personality, but there's so much of me
that's also my birth family personality on both sides. And
here's a crazy, crazy thing. So my mum basically conceived

(01:43:15):
me up towering Away, way up down end the country.
I was adopted into a small town called Harwa that
turned out to be the lineage of my father's side.
Lots of the people there. Even more bizarre, when I
met my grandfather, he's telling me this story because he
used to be a butcher. His first job was a butcher,

(01:43:35):
and he was a butcher for much of his life.
And he was telling me the story about this first
job he had in this butcher shop in Hardware. He
didn't he live in Harder. I think he was living
up Towering Away and he's telling the story and it's
my story, and I'm sitting there going, hang on a minute,
that's my story, how can it be your story? It
turned out he was worked in as a butcher in

(01:43:56):
the same butcher shop that I started out as a butcher,
and and I found out also remember him giving me
saveloys is a little kid when my mom used to
go to that butcher shop when you give away Sabollodes,
I didn't know.

Speaker 15 (01:44:11):
He was my grandfather.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
It's crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:44:14):
When we had a reunion on that side, we found
out that there were people in my life though I
grew up in that town, who were involved when was
a nurse looking after my mum from my mum was
sick quite a bit in the hospital. There was other
people that had become boyfriends of one next door neighbor
that were related to me.

Speaker 15 (01:44:34):
It was bizarre.

Speaker 5 (01:44:36):
You know, crazy stuff, crazy crazy stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
Now just go back to a previous point, Eric, if
I quickly, you know because you've experienced this firsthand, you know,
with the parents brought you up and meeting biological relatives.
What do you think the nature versus nurtures split is
how much do you think it is in your DNA
and how much do you think the way you behave

(01:44:59):
comes from the people that bring you up.

Speaker 5 (01:45:02):
I think the way you behave comes mainly from the
people who bring you up, so you will have their morals,
you'll have a lot of their personalities. You like a computer, right,
so someone built a computer and you know, then someone
brought that computer and they put the programs on that
computer that.

Speaker 15 (01:45:21):
That made the computer do whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:45:23):
You wanted it to do. So think of it like that.
But the computer itself, it's still DNA or that computer
or that human being. All that information that was put
into that to start with, to make that to get
to that point, it's still there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
Well, it's almost like a hardware thing. There's there's the
capabilities of the computer that come through your DNA, and
then there's this software that's put on top of it.
But whatever the software it is, it can't make you.
Doesn't give you more ram than you had, you know
what I mean, doesn't It doesn't give you more hard people.

Speaker 5 (01:45:50):
But what I want to say to people that a
bit worried about or feel that I kind of feel.
Sometimes people say, oh, I don't want to meet my
parents because I feel like, you know my parents and
my parents and I'll be letting them down. I want
to say to them and from me to to them,
is you're never letting your parents. Your parents will always
be your parents. And yes, it's a hard decision to

(01:46:13):
make to find out your lineage, go and meet meet
people who do have your DNA, but it doesn't lessen
the relationship at all. To the parent that you will
always love your mum and your dad that brought you up.
You'll they'll always be your mum and dad. Nothing changes there. Yeah,
nothing changes there. It's just good to know who you are.

(01:46:33):
On the other side of things, on my mom's side,
they're talking about DNA. My uncle did a DNA test there.
My uncle that I met by way, who was a
musician as well, crazy a He did a DNA test
and that went and found all the relations right back
to the first person that came over here on the boat.
He turned out to be New Zealand's first person that

(01:46:56):
made a record in New Zealand. He was an opera singer.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
How cool.

Speaker 7 (01:47:00):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:47:00):
Yeah, And so we went and founders Grave and just
crazy stuff like that. It's unbelievable. And I had a
half brother pop up again two years ago. Who a
lady did a DNA test trying to find her lineage.
Turned out her lineage wasn't what she thought. It was
turned out that she was related to this guy who
was a half brother who had been trying to find
out who his father and mother were.

Speaker 15 (01:47:22):
Because my father passed away, I never.

Speaker 5 (01:47:24):
Got to meet him, and through that lineage they found
me who I didn't have a DNA test.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
Unreal.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
Yeah, well, what a fantastic I've got. Sorry you got
I've got four.

Speaker 5 (01:47:37):
I got three brothers and one one sister now and
I was an lonely child.

Speaker 7 (01:47:43):
Eric.

Speaker 4 (01:47:43):
It's been amazing to chat to you. What an incredible
story and well stories you've got. But thank you very
much for sharing a lovely sentiment to other people who
will be listening out there if they are thinking about,
you know, trying to get into contact with biological parents.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
I think that was beautifully said. Thanks very much.

Speaker 4 (01:48:00):
Oh eight hundred and eighty, teen eighty is the number
to call. It's seventeen to.

Speaker 1 (01:48:03):
Four, Mattie Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
It'd be very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (01:48:12):
It is fourteen to four and having a great discussion
about adoption stories and finding missing relatives and if you
were donor conceived O eight one hundred and eighty teen
eight years and number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
And why are we doing that, Tyler?

Speaker 4 (01:48:25):
Well, we are doing that because there is a fantastic
story on the Herald. You can read right now. It's
written by reporter Rachel Mayer on her journey on tracking
down she was donor conceived, tracking down her biological father.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
It's a great read.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
Yeah, we had a great chat with her earlier in
the show. Sharon, Welcome to the show. Good ah, So
you've done a bit of DNA test searching.

Speaker 11 (01:48:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:48:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:48:48):
I come from a family with a standard mum and dad.
Mum and dad used to used to get a lot
of foster children. So there was four children that they
had of their own needs to foster other children as well.
I was one of the four. They ended up adopting
a brother. After three children, they adopted one and then

(01:49:11):
they had my sister and he he stayed with us.
He's still I'm still very close to him. He's my
I don't see him as anything different to any of
my other siblings. Were very close. But we discovered that
dad was adopted as well, and I think that adoption
into our family of Mum and Dad. Adopting this child

(01:49:34):
was their way of giving back. But Dad didn't really
know his lineage. He didn't know at that stage his
mother or his father. And when I was married, left home,
got married, had my first child, we discovered who his
mother was and it was a lady that we knew
all our lives. And that was only because the law
was changed towards the best officate. So my mother wrote

(01:49:56):
away and got dad's best dificate, so that was lovely.
Dad found out that he knew his mother all his life,
but he didn't know she was his mother.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
All right, So what was the and what's sorry, I'm
a step what circle? Did he know her.

Speaker 21 (01:50:11):
Or she was a friend of the family.

Speaker 7 (01:50:13):
She lived in christ Church.

Speaker 21 (01:50:15):
We used to visit because we come from down south. No,
she knew, yes, but Dad didn't know when he used
to visit her, and we didn't know she was our
grandmother when we visited. We didn't find out until she
had died, so that was very sad. But anyway, so
he then knew who his mother was, and she was
very much like him. She was very much like my sister,

(01:50:37):
so we could see the resemblance. But we still didn't
know who his father was and unlikely to find out.
No one would tell us. A lot of people knew
that no one would say anything. And so when Dad
was about eighty five, Dad since passed away earlier this year,
I did a DNA test. Everybody used to joke because

(01:50:57):
I looked so different to the others, and I had
I was probably more like my job brother, a little
bit more literate and just interested in those sort of
academic type things then my other siblings. And so I
used to joke with dadiel want a DNA test and
find out if I'm adopted, and he would just laugh.

(01:51:19):
And so I did this DNA test and it turned
up quite a bit of stuff, a lot of stuff
that we knew, like relatives. It's going to bring up
stuff that you know, like people that you already know
you related to. If they've done a DNA test, you'll
get a score and it'll tell you what your score
is to that person. So each score is different depending

(01:51:39):
on where they are in your lineage. And so a
lot of the names that pop up on ancestry, you'll say, oh, yeah,
that's that person, you know that one. And then you'll
get some that you don't know, so I ended up
through the DNA test. I spoke to a distant cousin
of mine who had done a family tree. I didn't
know she was a cousin and she had done a

(01:52:01):
family tree on dead's side, and she said to me
that told me a lot about what had gone on
dead's side. She said, I think you're father's father is
this person. And his name was Herbert Williams. And it
sort of didn't really mean anything to me at the time,
and I wrote it all down and I told Dad
the name of his father and he was very bright eyed,

(01:52:23):
and we said it. Didn't really do much about it
for a couple of years, and I sort of went
through ancestry a lot, and I'd get different links that
would come up, but nothing sort of really meant anything.
And then one day, because I work at home, an
email come up and said I've got a new link
and it was someone who was a surname of Williams.
And I thought, well, there's no Williams is in my

(01:52:45):
mother's side that I'm aware of, So I thought, oh,
might go and have a look, And so I just
messaged her on the portal and just said, look, I
see your surname's Williams. My aunt. See, my grandfather's name
is Williams. Are you related to Herbert Williams? And she said,
I'll get my uncle to give you a ring. She
was in Perth. And that's the interesting thing. You can
be talking to people around the world you don't know

(01:53:06):
where they are. And so her uncle rang me, and
he was down in our town, down Queenstown, and they
rang me that night and he was a lovely man.
And he turned out to be my father's brother.

Speaker 3 (01:53:21):
Ah, your uncle, and yeah, so he.

Speaker 21 (01:53:24):
Was my aunt, my uncle, yes, her uncle and my uncle,
and her father is my uncle. And he's only about
he's only about six years older than me. And the
one that rang me is older. But the youngest of
all the brothers was only about six years younger than me,
and he lives. So this we found three brothers. So

(01:53:47):
the second one, the youngest one, lives about a cave
from where my dad lived, and another one lived in Alexandra.
And then dad found out that he had a sister
in tar so she came over and met him and
they all spent time with him before he passed. And
the youngest one, John was a pallbearer at his funeral.

Speaker 17 (01:54:08):
Wow.

Speaker 21 (01:54:09):
Family, and it was just it was just an awesome
thing and we're so pleased we didn't leave it any later,
you know. It was just it was the right time.

Speaker 7 (01:54:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
What a fantastic story.

Speaker 4 (01:54:22):
Yeah, that's I mean, that's pretty incredible. At eighty five
and managed to track down his brothers and sisters. That
is a beautiful, beautiful story. Ohight hundred eighty ten eighties
and number to call when we come back. There's a
text here. It's a lovely text.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
We'll read that.

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
Out very shortly, but it's some pretty incredible to wait
for this. It is eight minutes two four the.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used dogsb.

Speaker 4 (01:54:52):
News dogs there be it is five to four text
here to wrap this up, and it's beautiful. Hi, guys,
My husband and I have an egg donor baby after
twenty years fertility treatment. A relative was the donor. Our
child is now eleven years old and we have been
open since the beginning, no secrets approach, and this is
their story and identity. She has an egg mum and
a tummy mum. We the donors live very separate lives,

(01:55:14):
but texts text each other every now and again and
a few catch ups throughout the year.

Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
We are so lucky. Our child is very loved.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
Yeah, what a great topic and you can read the
article in the Herald.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
Absolutely and thank you. We've had full lines for the
last two hours.

Speaker 4 (01:55:27):
To thank you to everyone who called and texts and
sorry we couldn't get to everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Yeah, look, thank you so much for listening for the
whole show. A man, it was a deep chat, some
of the great stories. So you thanks that. The full
Matt and Tyler Affternows podcast will be out in about
an hour. So if you missed our chats, follow our
pod and you know, listen wherever you get your pods.
The powerful Heather duplicy Ellen is up next. But right now, Tyler,

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my good buddy, why exactly am I playing this song?

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
I got no idea. Why are you playing this absolute banger?

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
Tyler?

Speaker 7 (01:56:00):
You idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
It's a big part of one of my favorite movies,
Forrest Bueller's Day Off Ah, and we were talking about
rolling thedometer back on cars like Cam did at the
end of the movie. I was there nineteen sixty one
Ferrari two fifty GT California Spider.

Speaker 3 (01:56:14):
What a tune, What a movie? What an hour check.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
It's also duff Man's theme song. All Right, thanks for listening,
and until tomorrow afternoon, give him a.

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
Taste to keep you from us.

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
Oh, get the car.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
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