Full Show Podcast: 19 August 2025

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Hello, are you great New Zealanders And welcome to Matt
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Speaker 3 (00:35):
Than If anything, I'm increasing.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I felt a little bit like that today. You have
your good days and your bad days. But we had
that was a rambunctious as you would expect, a rambunctious
chat about Trump and his treatment by New Zealand media.
Rambunctious from both sides.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
It's a great word. Rambunctious.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, it was. You know, the two sides could not
be further apart. There's no one coming down the middle.
Nothing that one. Yeah, and then building consents yea ye,
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Speaker 1 (01:34):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 3 (01:45):
Very very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Tuesday show.
Hope you're having a good day where Evey you're listening,
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Speaker 2 (01:52):
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Speaker 3 (01:52):
Good everyone, massive show for you today, as we always
have after three o'clock. This is going to be interesting.
Kids are chores? That was part of the chat on
the Gills Interrupted podcast. What chores should kids be doing?
And what did you do as a kid and did
you get paid for them?

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Thee ies have to do a lot of tours, I
tell you. Yeah, fencing around the farm, you know, dealing
with lamb's balls.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
That's a big one. That's a big one. Mowing an
acre of lawn.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, mowing the lawns, all kinds of things.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
And did you get paid for it.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
The only reason why I really love cricket and playing
you know, you know, love cricket. But one of the
main reasons I do, apart from playing it at school
and stuff, was having my dad made me paint the
roof of our house over a summer and we're listening
to the planket shield for the whole summer on a
little am radio and that's what made me.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Love cricket, love it. So there was a benefit there.
You've got a passion for cricket while painting the roof.
But that is going to be a fascinating jet after
three o'clock. Looking forward to that a bit of fun
after two o'clock. The Coalition is scrapping the building consens
regime to ease the liability load on local councils. So
Building and Construction Minister Chris Bink he made the announcement
today and said the regime currently is sluggish and holding
the building sector back. That is a fair criticism right

(03:05):
now he sees councils a hesidant to sign off on
building consents and inspections because they could be held liable
for all defects, leaving ratepayers to foot the bill.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, well, I mean, does anyone think that the system
is working efficiently right now? That would be my question.
And but you know, as everything it's difficult. You know,
who's going to take the liability?

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, and we are going to chat to the Building Federation,
the head of the Building Federation on that after two
o'clock as well. But right now, let's have a chat
about media coverage when it comes to Donald Trump. So
things appear to be shaping up in talks to bring
an end to the bloody, expensive and lengthy Ukraine Russian conflict.
The President of the US, Donald Trump, has been organizing

(03:48):
the talks, first with Vladimir Putin and Alaska, and he's
recently been meeting with the Europeans and the Ukrainian President
Vladimir Zelensky in the White House. But the coverage has
been extensive.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Well, it's interesting because yesterday after Trump's meeting with Putin,
all we heard over the last couple of days is
that Putin absolutely played Trump. That was what was played
over New Zealand media. That was the main story we
kept hearing. And then, as it turns out, today we've
got Zelenski agreeing to a three way summit. Putin and

(04:24):
Zelenski and Trump? So did he get played by Putin?
That's what we heard yesterday that that was the reaction
we got from from in New Zealand. So my question
really is do you think New Zealand media is fair
on Trump? And what do you do you think would
take for him to get some good headlines. I was
talking to a friend, as I was saying before us

(04:45):
to you, Tyler, I was talking to a friend who
was quite steemed, and they were just admitting that they
hate Trump so much that they don't want them to
have any success, including brokering a piece deal.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah, and a lot of people would feel the same.
Wine brings truth, as I say, so, nothing like a
few beers to let the truth come out.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, but I listened to I was watching a Herald
now yesterday I believe it was, and some Bridges was
on the show and this is what he had to
say about what's happening in Ukraine.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
I think actually Trump and fairness to him, because I
think in New Zealand media we're often not entirely feared
of the guy.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Don't be wrong.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
I'm not saying that's I'm not saying that he's the
second coming or anything. He's got a lot of issues,
but I think he has got better on Ukraine. It
doesn't seem to be a warmonger. He hates death and
kind of all of that stuff. So look, give him
the benefit of doubt for having these meetings.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Let's have some hope on this. And that seems to
be something that we're definitely hearing a lot, even from
people that don't like Trump, that he Bill Meyer, for example,
the long time you know, signed up a Democrat political
commentator in the United States. He does not like Trump,
no at all, and no one has been more critical

(05:57):
of Trump, but he has said the guy really doesn't
like death and war. He really doesn't like that. So
you know, that is something that seems to be bubbling up.
But would you would you give him that much? Would
would you give Trump that much? Oh? Eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty?

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Really? Can you hear from you on this one? How
do you feel about the New Zealand media coverage when
it comes to the likes of Donald Trump? Is it fear?
Is it being neutral? And do you think he will
get credit if he is successful in achieving or broker
in some sort of peace deal. Love to get your
thoughts on this one. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
This text just came through. Hey guys, Trump is a
narcissist and a buffoon. Okay, there you go, There you go.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
That is one side of the equation.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Even if Trump does broke a piece deal between Russia
and the Ukraine, it does not take away the multitude
of other inexcusable things he has done, including breaking the law.
He will always be a narcissistic, bankrupt, lying predator. Yeah, okay,
what's not bankrupt?

Speaker 6 (06:52):
Now?

Speaker 3 (06:52):
He's getting richer and richard exactly. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. This is going
to be an interesting hour. The phones are already let up.
If you can't get through, keep trying. It is twelve
past one.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
The big stories, the big issues, the trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons US talks.

Speaker 7 (07:13):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Very good afternoon to you. Is the New Zealand media
coverage of Donald Trump. Fear or unfair. The text machine
has absolutely exploded, as as the phone lines. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you can't get through,
keep trying.

Speaker 7 (07:27):
This.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Texasays, Trump's a nod but I think he's doing a
good job. If you're not a left harded wokester in
comparison to any other president of late, don't forget there's
a full born. Every day in New Zealand is full
of them. Believe everything the left skewed media tell you.
There you go, okay, which is why I haven't watched
mainstream media since COVID nineteen. This trick says this. Texas says,

(07:51):
how much are the fascists paying you to shill for Trump?
He is scum and you guys are complicit even asking
if the media is fear on him? Why ask?

Speaker 3 (07:59):
It's always with a fascist, isn't it. Who are these fascists?

Speaker 8 (08:02):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Leave it, yeah, leave it? Oh eight hundred, Well we
can say right now asking the question, is the New
Zealand media fear on Trump? And look, let's be clear,
the media isn't really a thing. It's not that the
media doesn't get together and you know they're not all connected.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
No, there's not a collective conspiracy. There's not a chairman
of the board of media to say you're going to
talk about this and that.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
I know Tyler and the media. And that's about it.
But I can't say right now that the Trump administration
is not paying us any money to ask the.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Christian certainly not oh one hundred ten eighty number to
call Dallas, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah, Hi, guys, I don't about you that I have
a fantasy that Trump should have arrested Poosa on the
Red carpet and flowing them straight to the Hague.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Wouldn't there be something he didn't he did, didn't he
flew a stealth bomber over his head on the red carpet?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
That was quite a that's got a full on move.

Speaker 6 (08:58):
Yeah, that's that's a chance list.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
That would that would be big news. That would be
big news. Just suddenly puts the handcuffs on pute.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
We got we got guys, go back on.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
The air Force one stay to the Hague. Yeah, And
but I think Trump hasn't got any runs on the board.
Come on, let's be honest. You know, he's promised, he
hasn't done anything, and he hasn't achieved anything. So if
he does, I'll be the first to say.

Speaker 6 (09:27):
Good on you. Nobel prize, how many do you want?
You know?

Speaker 4 (09:31):
But tell he achieved anything. And it's interesting that even
while he's talking to these guys and the White House
from Europe and Vilenski Peter is bombing the hell out
of Ukraine. It's just like giving the middle finger the Trump.
Don't you see it that way?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
So, Dallas, do you mean that Trump hasn't achieved anything
when it comes to Ukraine or he hasn't achieved anything
at all in his you know, current presidency.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Well, we're talking about peace, We're talking about peace in Israel, Gaza, nothing.
And you said he's worried about people dying or how
about SI two thousand and Garthert you know.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah, but in terms of the coverage, because in my eyes, Dallas,
the very fact that he's broken these meetings and he's
got as far as he had and I think, no doubt,
whatever you may think about Donald Trump, no doubt he
generally seems to care about bringing an end to this conflict.
You see what he writes on Twitter, and you see
what he says to the media and what he says

(10:32):
in these meetings. And then when you look at the
former US president Joe Biden and his dealings with Vladimir
Putin or trying to bring an end to this conflict,
very very different and again taking politics out of it completely.
I think Donald Trump has got further along than Joe
Biden ever did.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Yeah, but it was the achieved. I mean, do you
think Putin is just playing him along for time? Stalling
for time? Do you think he's serious?

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Don't know?

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Well, well, he's going to sit down with the three
of them, so they're you know, it's looking like there's
going to be a direct Putin's Lensky meeting, which hasn't
happened before. So do you feel like, you know, you
know statescraft. Do you think because some people think that
Trump shouldn't be talking to Putin? But what do you
think about that? Because of course famously JFK had the

(11:24):
red phone on his desk and thank goodness, around the
bay of pigs. But do you think that these big
leaders should be getting around the table and talking. Do
you think that's a positive step towards peace?

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Yes, talking is Winston says, jaws better than war, right,
So it's talking is good. That's why the u N
is good, even though it's ineffectual, but it at least
gets people talking. And so yeah, talking is always good,
but it has to be backed up by sanctions. I mean,
Trump keeps promising sanctions on.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
Putin, but.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
He doesn't do it. As I said, Taco, you know,
his chicken's out. So if he can't keep.

Speaker 6 (12:03):
His word on those, then I don't think.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
He's going to get respectful on these these bully boy
leaders you know who and Pusin?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
You know So, what do you think motive Trump's motives are?
Do you think that he has honorable motives for trying
to brok of this Ukraine deal downs?

Speaker 4 (12:22):
You mean, bringing the President of Norway saying how about
my Nobel Peace Prize?

Speaker 6 (12:27):
Loving on his own behalf? Do you think that's noble?

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Is that I haven't I haven't seen that. Has that
been confirmed?

Speaker 6 (12:35):
Well, who knows what's confirmed.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
But that's why that's the whole elephant in the room.
With all these discussions, there's so much floating around, so
much floating around.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
You know Trump, I mean, Trump is really hard to read,
isn't he? No one can read them?

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Do you give him any do you give him any
credit for the Azerbaijan Many and Peace agreement that there
was signed earlier this month?

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, and he's done, He's done something with Pakistan.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
The Congo Rwanda piece agreement. He's on top of that.
He he he's you know, he claims some stuff around
India and Pakistan and Egypt and Ethiopia.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
And I'll be the first if he can achieve a
major piece here in Russia or Gaza.

Speaker 6 (13:23):
Yes, give him an over price. I'll be a first
to say.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Of all, but that as it stands, he's got no runs,
no real runs on the board.

Speaker 6 (13:31):
Yeah, in terms of big conflicts.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Well, thank you so much for your callallis yeah, good
call it us start off, us off. Oh one hundred
and eighteen eighty is the number of call boys New.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Zealand media, almost without exceptions, suffering from chronic Trump derangent
syndrome TDS. The guy is a clown, but man does
he get stuff done. Most of what we hear and
read in New Zealand is straight from CNN slash Democratic
Party propaganda.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Cheers Mike, Yeah, there's a lot of truth to that.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It's twenty one past one.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking.

Speaker 9 (14:04):
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net profits up forty one Mike Booch is the contact CEO,
and we like successful companies. So your net profits up
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I know why that is because it can't afford my power.

Speaker 10 (14:17):
Oh look no, look the profits are and we can
reconcile it back.

Speaker 11 (14:21):
It's due to those projects that.

Speaker 10 (14:22):
We've worked very hard on building.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
They're innovative, the GFRM or the bay fload they got.

Speaker 12 (14:27):
To the country.

Speaker 9 (14:28):
The electricity authority announced some sort of investigation of what's
going on your things tense.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Spat investigation was prompted by the stress and the gas market,
and gas are fine.

Speaker 11 (14:37):
We understand that.

Speaker 9 (14:38):
Back tomorrow at six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
Rain Drover Newstalk.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Z B, very good afternoon to you. Twenty four pass
one is the coverage that Donald Trump gets in New Zealand.
YI the media Fear or run Fear eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
The sext says that woman is right, you are fascist.
This is a BS conversation. Stop it say you're sexist
or something. Why did you the text? I read it.
I didn't say who it was you said this woman
is right for color you fascist?

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Why have you assume it.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Was a it was a woman, and why would you
stop having a conversation. It's very interesting. Hey, guys, Trump's
supported here. I don't get why the world expects Trump
to solve the problems that EU, Ukraine and Israel could
have sort of themselves, but haven't. Media has Trump derangement syndrome.
That's from Benny. Trump needs peace as Jim. China owns

(15:30):
America and Zizingping and Putin are now pals. Incidentally, China
is funded by the Vatican.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Wow, China's funded by the Vatican.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I'll need to see I'll need to see the tax
returns on that one. Yeah, Putin is yanking Trump's Shane
just to get some positive publicity. Peutin will drag this
out for as long as possible. Trump should have said
to him, get the problem. What a joke?

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Okay, teach coming through on nine two nine two, Mary,
what's your take on this?

Speaker 13 (15:56):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Hello?

Speaker 7 (15:58):
Ray?

Speaker 13 (15:58):
My take, well, the original question, you know, the media.
I decided, instead of hearing somebody theon on it, I
would actually listen to the raw material. So I sat
through two hours of a debate between Trump and Kamilla Harris,
and I remember Trump talking about World War three and

(16:21):
being concerned about nuclear weaponry and certain people in the world.
And I have a visual memory of him standing with
one fort in North Korea and one for in South
Korea after, you know, negotiating some peace with kings, and so,
you know, I do see that he wants peace. I

(16:44):
have seen actual footage of people saying that they have
nominated him for a Nobel Peace Prize. I think war
does come down to leaders, and if he can bring
leaders together, if he can bring Prutin and Zolensky together
in a room, there's there's a better way to come

(17:05):
to an end than you know, twenty thousand soldiers dying
every week, or worse, mutilators and and fathers and sons.
I think if you can get Putin and Zolynski in
a room together, there's there's that's a better way to
solve things. So and I do give them credit for that.

(17:28):
I also feel that some of our news does come
from the Democrats and or from CNN, rather than from
SPOT or from the Republicans, and I think it would
be a little bit more balanced if we did have
a bit more from them. Because I've been listening to
Marco Rubio and Mark Russia and some of these Now

(17:50):
Mark Russa is from NATO and Mark Rubio is like
secretary of State, and these guys are right there in
the room with Trump. They know exactly what's going on,
and they're very articulate. They're very good at explaining what
is actually going on here. So I think that's good.

(18:13):
The other things I agree with about Trunk is he's
against WoT and I don't think woke is a blessing.

Speaker 14 (18:21):
She is.

Speaker 13 (18:23):
He's actually against abortion. So he cares for all life,
even the smallest. And I think there's a saying that
people who care for life care for all life, and
I think he is showing that something else that There's
quite a few things that.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Mary, Do you see Do you see? What about his character?
So a lot of people would say, you know, he's
he's juvenile, and his insults of other people. There has
been certain accusations of sexual impropriety and stuff. What about
all that? How does that stuff sit with you? Mary?

Speaker 7 (18:56):
Well?

Speaker 13 (18:57):
I do see him as human. It's very easy still
on the sidelines and want everybody to speak perfect and
absolutely no one knows, but I just get come credit
for I don't like. Another thing I don't like is
men and women's sports, especially sports like boxing. I think
men have drinks that women don't have. So those are

(19:20):
the things that I would give him a text for that.
I think he's going in a good direction with I
absolutely don't think he's perfect, but I don't think anybody is.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call. Mary. Am
I juvenile because I always laugh at NATO chief the
NATO chief name. What's his name? Well, it's Mark Rutter,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Sorry, it's an unfortunate last name. Hell of a guy, though, I.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Need to grow up. Thanks for you call, Mary. Shall
we go to Vanessa? Welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (19:51):
Hi there, how are you.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Now? Are you living in the US at the moment? Vanessa?

Speaker 13 (19:59):
Correct?

Speaker 7 (20:00):
And I'm just over here visiting family. Arrived on Friday.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Well, great to chat with you. So tell us about
the coverage in the US versus what we get here
in New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (20:13):
Well, I definitely the media is shocking over in the US.
It's pretty biased. And I'm talking about probably folks as
well as CNN. They're both. I mean, most Americans are
kind of set up with the media over there, and
they tend to do, like myself, my own research or

(20:35):
watch something that's live. So you actually getting and watch
the full story, like your previous call with the debate,
she sat there and watched the full two hours. They
get a real good deal as to what's going on,
as opposed to snippets that it can be twisted and
tuned into somebody else's agenda.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, it's interesting you say that because a lot of
people are texting through and saying that they I haven't
listened to it, but they said that Trump's long form
interview with Joe Rogan on his podcast changed their opinion
of Trump. Did you listen to that?

Speaker 7 (21:14):
I did not listen to that, But you're absolutely right.
In fact, a lot of the younger generation over there
listens to that, and that's where I think he scored
some more votes actually from the current They listened to
that and thought he's not this bad. Okay, might say

(21:34):
a few things that is outside the political box to say,
as you should behave as a president or a politician,
but they actually realized who he was as a person
and that he has the American peoples at heart burst,

(21:55):
as opposed to his own agenda.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Do you think we've lost that ability Vanessa, that if
you're stridently pro or anti Trump, many people have lost
that ability. He'd actually sit down and hear why, for
lack of a better word, that the enemy feels and
thinks about a situation that they can jump into that
sort of media to see what the other side is saying,
and perhaps you know that's where you can find some

(22:19):
middle ground sometimes.

Speaker 7 (22:20):
That's right. Well, I totally agree with that. I think
people just hold on to this supposed hate, which a
lot of it's been created around a man that they
didn't want to see get into power. So I think
I think you're exactly right there, and you just have

(22:43):
to be been a key way where we over here.
I think vote on what a politician or a party
can do for their country. When I went to America,
I mean I couldn't vote at the point when Obama
was our first was on the scene that I would
have voted for him. But this then I was there

(23:07):
came a dual citizens and this time and the time
before I did vote for Trump just simply purely because
of what he said he could do.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
What do you think, what do you say to people
that say convicted fallon. They bring up sexual misconduct, allegations,
fraud and business misconduct. There's like the incitement and insurrection accusations.
Some people say he's racist, he has devisive rhetoric, aggressive
immigration policies. Some people say, you know all those things.

Speaker 7 (23:41):
I could be on hill afternoon after giving, But what
was the first one you said was about? What was
the first thing you brought up with? I could just
I could counteract everything.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Because do you think that's part of the situation we're
in right now? Everything is thrown out there, not necessarily evidence,
and then if you go further, you'll find something, and
you go further, you find something out and then what
happens was you just spending so much of your brain
power trying to cut through to find any kind of truth,
if there's any truth there.

Speaker 7 (24:15):
I mean, well, well, what I was going to tell
you with regards to what they keep saying is a
convicted felon, you have to look at where he was
taken to court and convicted, and that was in New York,
And you have to then look at the case as
to what they were bringing against them. Now everyone seems

(24:36):
to assume it's about voting and board or whatever. That's
not the case. It's that they will after him, saying
that he overinflated the value of his propertence in order
to lend against it. And if you actually look into
the real figures of that that the pepper that they

(24:58):
say he overinflated of Narrago property, there's no way you
could buy that property for what they're saying. So he actually,
in my opinion coming from a legal background, if you
look at the fact, is actually wrong done by there
because the woman there was she ran on the fact

(25:22):
that she would go after Trump and put them behind
that where.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
You go, thank you, Vanessa. Yeah, I mean finding the
truth is difficult. You'd basically have to give up your
job and just study full time, and then you can
go down so many rabbit holes you'd go completely mental.
Trump is Twitter personified. People want to be entertained in
this era, and Trump gives both entertainment and statements much

(25:47):
like social media. Maybe Trump says more about the people
today than anything else.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
That is deep. Oh one hundred eighty is the number
to call. We've got the headlines with Wendy coming up.
Then we want to get your view. Is the new
Zealand media fear or unfear on Donald Trump.

Speaker 15 (26:04):
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Now I'm back to Matton Tyler.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Thank you very much, Wendy, And we've asked the question
as New Zealand media fear or unfear on its coverage
of Donald Trump. IY waighte hundred and eighteen eighty number to.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Call Trumps an idiot, But personally I think he's doing
more for peace than Biden ever did. But he's still
an idiot, So I can live with that because I
am as well.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Hopefully summed up. Aren't we all?

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Very balanced? Text there? Thank you, muz Sam just stand sorry, sorry,
stan Stan, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Then, how are you going?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Very good?

Speaker 7 (27:47):
Now?

Speaker 12 (27:47):
New Zealand gets it's a lot of its media from overseas,
sources from AP, from CNN, et cetera, et cetera, and
there's a definite bias against Trump. There was a definite
bias from the time he announced that he was going
to run two thousand and fifteen was and that when
he came down the at Trump Towns and from that

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point on they were gunning. Certain elements in American the
elite and American political and business were gunning to take
him down. We had the whole Russia collusion class, which
has been totally debunked. I mean, Trump coined the phrase
for fake news and law fare, and quite honestly, they've

(28:34):
both been used against him. He's been maligned, lied about.
I'm not saying he's the most He's not a saint
for sure, But what really gets me is the amount
of falsehoods, an absolute misinformation and disinformation that has put
out about him through the media, and people just lap

(28:57):
it up did ritual that some people have on such
an emotive level. It's almost like rational thinking has gone out.
People don't analyze him and what he is doing in
government on a rational level, just you know, pure emotion,
and it's almost hate takes over. And I mean I

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see it on social media. You know, whenever Trump comes up,
it's people change. They they you know, they transform into
into a real a supper of tds.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
We've all seen that stand. So who do you go
for two for information? You mentioned AP and CNN, and
I think it's fair to argue on the other side
of the coin that that Fox would have its own
way of angling a story. So who do you actually
go to for for the most unbiased information.

Speaker 12 (29:51):
Well, I think someone when you previous quarters took that
going to the source. I mean, like if you talk
about the law fear that that trumping through, you know,
first of his rape case. I mean, if you look
at from all different sources in the American papers, in
American news sources, and you read the details of that case.

(30:13):
I mean, how in New York, how they changed the
law in New York solely for the purpose of trying
to take down Trump. I mean, it's the craziness of
the attempts to put a ball and chain around his
leg and prevent him from from running the first time,
from running the second time, to the point where there

(30:35):
were two assassinations attempts on his life that we know of.
It's just it's absolutely crazy. The element that hate him
do so from a totally unhinged place.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah, I mean you would have to say stand. I
mean in that one, because it's coming through and the
text message a lot. You know, we're talking about that
twenty twenty three case. He was the jury found abuse.
That's what they found. So people that are saying that
they found rapers. They're moving it up up from what
they actually actually found out. But you know, you talk

(31:10):
about the sort of Russia collusion thing, and you know,
Director of National Intelligence Tolsi Gabbett has released those accusations
that President Obama and his national security team were orchestrating
a conspiracy. You know, that comes out and it doesn't
get a lot of coverage. But did you think it

(31:32):
was did you think it was also quite convenient that
that was when things were blowing up about the Epstein list,
that suddenly this big accusation came out, or do you
think that that was a coincidence that that Tulsi was
getting this together and they just sort of came out
about the same time.

Speaker 12 (31:46):
Well, it couldn't have come out much sooner, because I mean, look,
the previous by the FBI, we're hiding all sorts of
documents away from the new administration, and the accusation is
that documents have been screwed as well. I don't think
it was it came out as some form of distraction,

(32:08):
because what if it was, it hasn't really worked because
people still want for release of EPSTEM documents. But I
mean that story has been way under reported. I meant
it accounts to treason. If you look what Clapper, Brandon, Comey,
Sally Yates, and Obama himself and Hillary Clinton, what they

(32:31):
all schemes and what they tried to do announced to treason. Now,
when this first broke, I was listening to our New
Zealand media and there was a whisper of it, and
it's still hardly been a whisper of it. And yet
I mean, this is it is huge news if this
has proven to be true, and all the evidence that's
coming out is just seems to be building and is

(32:53):
confirming that, yes, they actually conspired and planted false evidence.
I mean, the whole Russia collusion thing, which is part
of that conspiracy to take them down, has been proven
and totally debunked. And yet the people who I mean
it was done with Obama's knowledge, Hillary Clinton fundered that

(33:13):
the still Dossian which was which was what the FBI used.
Now you had FBI agents or person howse said this
information is unreliable, and yet Cony overwruled them, senior FBI
overwhelmed them, and they still pushed it out there. So
you know, the lies that have been told about Trump.

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It just astounds me, and how the media turn a
blind eye to the truth when it's when it comes
out and accentuate the lies and the falses that told
told about the man and I as a person who
I like to see truth in facts, it just really
grinds me.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
And I was, I think you stand, We've just got
to go to the air break. But I think we
got your point there. I mean, will be really awkward
if what Tulcy Gabbitt has accusing here comes to pass,
because people did spend a lot of time talking about
a Russian collision.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
They did avoided people months and.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
A lot of talking heads on a bunch of cable
networks and a whole a lot of colomnaches. That's it
was murky edit much to Marsenbach.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
It is fourteen to two oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call back in a moment.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Matt Heathan Taylor Adams afternoons news.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Talks, they'd be for a good afternoon to you. We
are talking about the media coverage in New Zealand of
Donald Trump. This is a good text isn't the way
Trump is perceived because of his politics from the get
go was about character assassination from his opponents. Unfortunately, that
trend is only grown after he lost. The spillover cost
of that type of politics has been enormous to the
world where politics has become so divisive.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, if you dished out, you've got to take it
the six that says, I don't care if the guy
that got the woman's sex wrong or not. This was
before that someone said the text and said it was
more a woman, but it wasn't. I don't know if
it was or not. He was right, You were shilling
for that piece of shit Trump. Why would you ask
about media bias? Leave it alone, Jesus Christ. He has scum.
The media points that he is scum. Where is the bias?

(35:27):
Even if he broke a peace dealer will only be
for him and his scummy goals.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Well, okay, thank you very much for that text. I
think we've got Paul on the line. Get a Paul,
how are you?

Speaker 16 (35:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (35:40):
Okay, guys, that last text explained so much how somebody
has such hatred for somebody. It's definitely media generated. I mean,
Trump's taken less drugs than JFK. He's less obnoxious than
Lyndon Johnson. He's cheating on his wife, less than Clinton,
he started less worse than Bush. And I mean Obama

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drone so many people in Afghanistan.

Speaker 18 (36:03):
It's not funny. Where's the perspective?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, I do think it's the amount of text for
getting why are you even asking the question? Because it
doesn't seem like a very it's not a very controversial
question to ask. And you know, someone Bridges said it
yesterday on here Now, and so all we've done is
ask the question. You know, is New Zealand media fear
on Trump? It just seems crazy that so many people say,

(36:28):
don't even ask that question.

Speaker 19 (36:30):
No, it's mad.

Speaker 18 (36:32):
He's not our leader, and yet he's on the news
every night. It's I mean, I might be a bit
of a political.

Speaker 17 (36:38):
Tragic, but he shouldn't be dominating our media as he is.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
I wonder how much that affects our productivity, Paul. The
amount of time that people are spending thinking about Trump,
whether for him or against him or whatever. How much
time that we could be spending focusing on our businesses,
focusing on our families, focusing on getting this country again,
and we're all just the news is leading with Trump.

(37:01):
Trump gets considered on this text machine no matter what
we're talking about. I was going to make the Heath rule.
If someone says Trump into something that we're talking about,
that there's nothing to do with Trump. We we move on.
But everything we talk about Trump comes through. He's He's
so in everyone's head, Paul.

Speaker 17 (37:18):
Yeah, he is, and he's an out He's an outsider
to the system, which I think is why our politicians
like Eden Bridges, you know, apologizing for giving the guy
faint praise. He's he's like an outlaw and you're not
supposed to like him. We're all supposed to be against him.

Speaker 18 (37:34):
But I think he's shaking up the system and I
think that's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call, Paul,
appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Thank you very much for your call. It is eight
minutes to two. Back very shortly here on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Madd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty. It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
News DOGSB, News Talks EDB. It is six minutes to two.
So many texts have come flooding in on this conversation. Guys,
Trump deserves a medal.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Question.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
He's only doing what everyone's thinking. Don't listen to the
propaganda that's from Madea.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
The Sex says we were a couple of centimeters away
from freedom. Oooh okay. This six says I hate Trump,
but you should absolutely ask if there is a bias.
I think there is a bias. Even though I hate Trump,
I enjoy hearing the negative coverage, but I don't think
that's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
And this one, guys, I don't rely on mainstream media.
You can go on TikTok and watch live videos of
people protesting, people who voted for him but now regret it.
People dismiss TikTok, but it's people showing what's happening in
real time. Personally, I just like.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Them fake news. Why to Trump believers think Trump news
outlet's aren't fake news as well? He only cares about himself.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
And this one afternoon, guys, your previous caller was right
on the money. Media biased is rife within New Zealand,
and they have a massive Trump arrangement syndrome that needs
to change. And it's part of the lack of trust
and media these days.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Okay, what don't I tell you what? This text machine nearly.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Exploded started smoking there at one point we had to
get some anti call in in there bit far out.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah. And so the thing is people are living in
different realities, completely different realities. The certainly it goes one
text saying something completely one way, yeah, flick it around
and completely the other way. Absolutely have absolute courage and
their convictions, no doubt that they're right. But the complete
one eighty on it is right after it one hundred cential.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
There right nicely said thank you to everybody who phoned
and text on that. We got thousands and thousands of
text on that, so thank you very much. But coming
up after two o'clock, we want to have a chat
about building consent. So the coalition government is scrapping the
building consense regime. The Minister in charge, Chris Pink says
it's sluggish and holding the building sector back. So what
do you say, is this a better way to do it?

(40:02):
Are you worried about liability as a homeowner if you're
in the building construction industry.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
And how does Trump influence this hard to win through
Trump into this discussion.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Matt he's law come on through nineteen NINETI it is
a text number, but oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the phone number? Really keen to hear from you?
And the Building Industry Federation head is coming up straight
after news which is.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Next talking with you all afternoon? It's Matt Heathen, Taylor
Adams Afternoons US talks.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
It be very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show.
Seven pass too. So the government is scramping the building
consents regime to ease the liability load on local councils.
So Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says, right now,
councils are hesitant to sign off on building consents and
inspections because they could be held liable for all defects,

(40:54):
leaving ratepayers to foot the bill. He was on with
Mike Hoskin this morning. Here's a little bit of what
he said. That things need to be sped up.

Speaker 20 (41:02):
I mean a number of people have talked about it
for many years. The Law Commission's written a couple of
very long and wear their reports. I'm not sure how
many peple of reason, but things to me and no brainer,
including because they do it over the other side of
the casement are we just think your posts to get
on and do it.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
So clearly there has been a lot of push to
speed things up on the consenting side of things. There
are sixty seven different consenting organizations within New Zealand, so
a lot of push for consolidation. But if you're in
this sector, how do you feel about this? This will
change some liability in what the council's face when they
issue these consents, but arguably we'll speed things up. So

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if you're in the industry, love to hear from you
on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Yeah, also
if you've.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Got concerns about it as well. But is there anyone
out there that thinks that the system is working efficiently
now and that it is creating productive outcomes as things
are set up now? Yeah, because it just seems to
me it's almost a running joke. You know, someone says
they're going to do something and then the next thing

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you know, they go, oh God, the consenting process. It's
almost enough to stop people even starting. Yeah, So that
doesn't that's not it. That's that's not working, is it?

Speaker 7 (42:16):
No?

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Or is it?

Speaker 6 (42:17):
You know?

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Really ten to get your thoughts on this. If you're
a builder, if you're in the industry, if you work
with the Council or formerly with the Council, really caen
to hear from you on the consenting process. Is this
kind of change things? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Coming up next, though,
we are going to catch up with the chief executive
for the Building Industry Federation, Julian Lees. He is a
man that knows a lot about this, so we've got

(42:39):
plenty of questions for him. If you've got a question
for Julian Lees about what this all means. Nineteen ninety
two is the text number. It is nine past.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Two your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams.
Afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk,
sai'd be.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
It is eleven past two. So the building con Sense
regime is getting an overhaul. It's been called the most
significant change in a generation. To discuss further, we are
joined by Julian Leese. He's the chief executive of the
New Zealand Building Industry Federation and he's on the line now. Julian,
Very good afternoon.

Speaker 21 (43:18):
I'm matt Hi Taylor.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Now, Julian, explain this proposal to me like I am
an absolute idiot.

Speaker 21 (43:26):
Well, look what it means is every time a builder
becomes insolvent and we've seen a lot of that, particularly
in hard times, and they're leaving the homeowner with an
incomplete building, there's now going to be not just a
council as the last man's standing, but potentially it'll be

(43:47):
a builder who's got some insurance. So ultimately it's going
to lead to faster it's the resolution of these sorts
of things. But also it's going to mean that our councils,
who are so risk averse will be much much more
open and less likely to say no to things, particularly
things like new building products, which we're saying to see
as well. So it is a big change. But of

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course the devil's always in the detail.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
So as the cautiousness of counsels. Is that because of
the liability primarily because I just always put that down
to being officious.

Speaker 21 (44:23):
Well yeah, look, possibly you say it's a bit of both,
but no, look it is they are risk averse because
if they get something wrong or you know, something doesn't
go the way it should. They are the ones that
they get sue. The are the ones that have got
the deep pockets. Now, of course, all that gets passed
on to ratepayers us. So what we want to do

(44:43):
is do something I get similar to what is in
New South Wales and Victoria, where you know, you've got
you've got statutory warrantees, you've got mandatary insurance if you're
building anything over twenty k of value in the presidential space,
and it's just a better system for allowing you know,
homeowners some compensation and to get their buildings complete.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
So people are already screaming leaky homes, leaky homes. Is
that kind of massive cock up likely under a system like.

Speaker 21 (45:17):
This, none of it's done promptly because I mean, look
leaky homes and we're still you know, seeing the tail
end of it. But that that was also about you know,
poor design. Uh, you know, it's about a whole bunch
of issues. I think I think this means we've got
to have criteria around eligibility. So in other words, you know,

(45:39):
we've got to have builders that have got the qualifications,
the experience and the financial standing, plus the insurance. So
we've we've got to have those things in place if
we If we do, then then it means that we've
got you know, the homeowner has got a recourse, you know,
they've got some guarantee that that thing things will get

(46:00):
done if if the bill fall falls over. So I
don't think we're I don't think we're there yet. But
there are other risks, the other risks that if we
move from that join several ability that we currently have
to proportion that it could be that we simply just
don't have enough builders who you know, meet the alibisy
criteria or have the financial backing be ensured.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Because that's what I was wondering. Kind of smaller business
like you know, just a small crew running a couple
of people, businessmen, or a solo builder. Will they be
able to cover the insurance levies?

Speaker 21 (46:36):
Possibly not, because you know, most of our builders are
three to five you know crew, small companies. They operate
on very slim margins. They operate on quickly now in
these tough amount of times on you know, hand to
mouth basically so cash flows type too. You know, insurers

(46:59):
will will come to them and say, well, we won't
look at your books. We won't see what your cash
flows like. They don't ensure people if they think.

Speaker 18 (47:07):
The risk is too great.

Speaker 21 (47:08):
So that's the issue. And I guess this is also
why Australia has some state backing of their insurance schemes
all our sales.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Yeah, because our economy couldn't handle all those little operations
going out of business, could they could?

Speaker 10 (47:25):
We No, and no, no.

Speaker 21 (47:27):
Look and the other thing. No one's talked about this yet,
but New Zealand doesn't have any functioning building warranty insurance market.
You know. We had a I think it's called Stanford
Insurance back in tween nineteen that did do that, but
they taught out because there just wasn't simply the market
for it. So we need to get you know, we
need to realize that if this is going to work,

(47:48):
we need to get that building warranty insurance market up
and running again, and we need to have, you know,
something sufficient so builders can can get that level of cover.
As we're talking about, you know, not making counsels the
last man's standing.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
So just speaking of warranties, you said before statutory warranties
are used in Australia. Does what's a statutory warranty.

Speaker 21 (48:13):
So what that means is a New Zealand we have
the Building Acts in Australia Act. But I think you
so well. Else it's got the Home Building Act and
it's got the Domestic Building Act something like that. What
that means for our Building Act we would then have
an implied warranty builds into that Act. So that means
So what that means is any work undertaken by any
builder in New Zealand would have to would impliedly be

(48:36):
saying this work will be done to a certain standard
and using certain materials, and there's an implied warranty to
back that up. So you know, and again this is
what Australia's done. And again that's the last sort of
insurance backstop if you like, in case we've got home

(48:58):
owners that actually are dealing with the builder that doesn't
have insurance.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Great, We're chading to Building Industry Federation Chief Executive Julian
Lee's Julian the sixty seven build consent authorities. So you've
talked about the consolidation of those authorities, hopefully into one
unit to get some consistency. But what does that look like?
Does that mean that gets absorbed into central government or
how does that operate if it's just one authority dealing

(49:23):
with those sides of the consents.

Speaker 21 (49:26):
Yeah, well, look at the moment, so you're quite right.
We've got sixty seven BCA's councils. Auckland Council for all
of New Zealand does about forty six percent of world
building consents. And we know which is no surprise because
we're the biggest city in the country and this is
where most of the building work happens. So it kind

(49:48):
of makes sense if there's some sort of consolidation where
some of those smaller councils that may only do a
few hundred or you know, a couple of consents, they
probably don't need to be doing that. It'll be much
more efficient if there's one organization, which could be a
new organization that's formed or simply open councilor designed to

(50:10):
take that on, or a private organization that's set up
to do all of that. And they already talking now
about I think I think, I think mister pank has
said the expectation is that councils should be doing eighty
percent of consents within three days, which is significantly faster
than the currents that have ten to twenty days.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
So how much cheaper will building be under a setup
like this?

Speaker 21 (50:35):
Potentially thousands of dollars will come off the cost of
a new build. And so that's a really good question
because the whole focus has been for these reforms and
by this government to make housing more affordable. You know,
Kiwis do pay a lot for their homes and more
than we do our cousins do over the ditch. So

(50:57):
you know, we we can knock thousands off through this
process and through speedier consenting and in addition to bringing
down the cost of building materials, and then we're on
our way to you getting better, more affordable housing.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
What would a government insurance system worker would be for
the insurance to actually come into to the market, would
it need some kind of government back up?

Speaker 6 (51:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (51:24):
Look, I think because we don't currently have that, as
I said earlier, that functioning building warranty insurance market, the
government probably is going to have to do something to
incentivize or to create a market initially where builders can
be covered and where homeowners have that sort of surety. Yeah,

(51:45):
And because you know, that's just the size of our market.
You know the fact that we're also just in a
tough economic time, you know, insurance are looking at nehaland
overall in general and going more. You know, do we
want to really be ensuring anything at the moment.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Certainly is yeah, Julian, thank you very much for having
a chat with us. Really interesting. So the last one,
so out of ten, what do you think about this policy?
How's it going to work?

Speaker 21 (52:14):
Look, I would say in terms of the intent, it's
it's an eight, but it's always a case of waiting
and seeing. But I hope it's backed up by buy
some good thought around the insurance side of things.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Yeah, really good to chat with you. Thank you very
much for your time.

Speaker 21 (52:31):
Thanks Madam Tyler.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
That is Julian Lee's chief executive for the New Zealand
Building Industry Federation. But can you get your views? Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you're currently building, how
do you feel about this? Is it going to make
it easier to get through that consenting process? And if
you're in the trade a lot of techs coming through
from builders, got to say a bit of worries out
there about how this is going to work.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Yeah, And we'd also like to hear from someone who
loves the current system and doesn't think it needs to change.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Very good afternoon. It is tween ty four past two,
So we're talking about the policy and now today by
Building in Construction Minister Chris Pink, it will see an
overhaul of the building consents regime. He says, right now,
councils are hesitant to sign off on building consents and
inspections because they could be held liable for all defects,
leaving rappayers to foot the bill. So how do you
feel about that if you're currently happy with the consenting

(53:26):
system I eight hundred eighty ten eighty or do you
think this is the right way forward? It will certainly
speed things up, but are there some fish hooks? Really
can never check with you? I eight hundred eighty ten eighties.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
So number to call, Ben, welcome to the show, Thank
you today.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
What's your thoughts?

Speaker 22 (53:42):
Well, I worked for a built in insurance brokers who
one of the things that we do is provide these
warranties to the building industry, so sort of being really
closely involved with it for decades now and been through
I think probably three or four iterations of the government
looking at this. I guess the thought I have is

(54:04):
that they're saying this is going to save money. You know,
it's going to reduce the time the process takes and
save money. And I always remember having a meeting with
Auckland Council many years ago when again when this process
was being looked at by the government, and they said,
even if we had a reduced liability of proportionate liability,

(54:28):
we still have a like a duty to our rate
payers to make sure that we conduct this process rigorously,
so it wouldn't actually save them any any time or
cost just because they're liabilities less. So I'm not sure
that there's going to be a saving out of this process.
And then and then you add a mandatory warranty, which
I think is a good idea, but you're adding the

(54:49):
cost of a mandatory warranty. I'm not sure you're saving
that much in the consenting side of things. So I'm
just not sure that you know, the kind of the
saving the government is talking about is really going to eventuate.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Do you think the system works Okay? Now, because as
I was saying before, I've never talked to anyone that's
looking at starting a project with out them starting to
talk about how punishing the consents are going to be.

Speaker 7 (55:14):
Well.

Speaker 22 (55:14):
I was talking to one of our clients this morning
who's had some applications and for longer than twelve months.
It's just it certainly isn't working well. But I'm not
sure that introducing private certifiers as one of the options
is going to improve the outcomes overall for customers. I mean,
it might speed the process up, but you know, what,

(55:35):
are you letting through a system that's been sped up,
as would be the concern. I mean, I think the
idea of merging the council BCA sort of authority or
their processes into something where they can get some cost
efficiencies and can some consistency make sense rather than these
little sort of isolated pockets of this council's doing it

(55:57):
this way and other council's doing it another way, and
they've got some officers, and they've got some officers. It
sort of makes sense to me that they can speed
things up and improve efficiency by grouping everybody together and
having some consistency. But I'm not sure that introducing private
certifiers or moving to proportionate liability is actually going to
solve the problem.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
There's a lot of houses in New Zealand, and there's
been periods of fast growth in New Zealand. So was
there a time when the system was right and people
could get their house built and consented in orderly fashion
and be confident that their house was up to scratch,
Because you know, I live in a house that was
built in nineteen thirty and it's sweet ass lovely house.

Speaker 22 (56:40):
Yeah, until you take them until you take the cleaning
off and have a look at the bones of it
and realized that.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Actually did that. I actually spent four months every day
just working on replacing a lot of stuff recently. So
that's a good point. You know, I probably replaced fifty
percent of the weather boards just the start of last year.
But yeah, I get what you say.

Speaker 22 (56:59):
Yeah, and I think definitely. I was up north in
Northland and the Bay of Islands just recently, and the
build it up there more happy with the process, Maybe
because it's smaller council and or maybe it's the you know,
the inspectors kind of a bit more pragmatic, or they
haven't had exposure to some of the issues that the

(57:19):
sort of the leaky home councils have the biggest count
you know, but the bay of plenties in the Aucklands
who have had that massive exposure, you know, a lot
more risk risk adverson And that's I don't know. Yeah,
I'm sure down to the fact that I was the
last last man standing in the room for.

Speaker 6 (57:35):
A lot of that.

Speaker 22 (57:35):
But yeah, it's a it's a tough problem to solve,
but you can certainly look at those sort of regional
areas and they're doing it well. And I think that
probably does hark back to that sort of previous regime
where they're a bit more pragmatic. They didn't feel the
weight of multi billion dollars sort of lawsuits for failing
apartment buildings.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Yeah, so on that, How does consolidation help with with efficiencies? Ben,
That's what I can't get my head around. That you've
got individual councils and authorities that deal with the consents
in their local region. That to me feels like it's
should be a more efficient way to do it, that
they are focused in on the local by laws and
the local regulations there. Why would have in a one

(58:17):
stop shop be a better way to do it.

Speaker 22 (58:21):
Well, I think you've got there's a duplication of functions
and processes across those councils, no doubt. But you've also
got some that will be busy at some times and
others they won't be. So they're already there is already
a sort of a process for them to share resource. Well,
I'm not sure if that's formal or informal, but let's
say you've got i don't know, one hundred one hundred

(58:43):
sort of people processing in Auckland and you've got one
hundred in christ Church with christ Church is really going off,
you know, then they're going to be super busy and
there's going to be a backlog. Meanwhile, there's you know,
thirty people twiddling their thumbs in the Auckland one. So
you know, if you had, if you had them combined,
you could you know, those people could be shared across
both those regions when you've got those regional sort of

(59:04):
peaks and troughs.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yeah, so someone that's worked in the insurance or works
in that that area of this, what sort of sized
levees could you see going to a small business, you know,
small builder operations, and if this went through.

Speaker 22 (59:18):
Yeah, well, I mean that that's the concern. The the
what is what are the I mean this this levee
that you're talking about. I'm not sort of one hundred
percent across the detail because I don't think the government
is actually super across the detail of how it's going
to work. But if the if the builders are having
to buy master build warranty or a you know, a

(59:40):
kind of a built in warranty or a Certified Builders warranty,
and that's you know, that's a that's a couple of
grand on the house and there's probably fifty percent of
houses in New Zealand that will have those At the moment,
I'm not sure you're going to save a couple of
grand in the consenting process. So and builders already pay
a levy when they as licensed building practitioners, So is

(01:00:01):
it going to be now a levy on building companies?
And that's what they do in Australia, you know, they
license the actual building companies themselves and they have to
go through a process to make sure they're you know,
financially solvent and you know, appropriate to build houses over there.
So I don't know what the answer is in terms
of what the cost of the levee. But is the
government going to have to operate a fund to sort of,

(01:00:23):
you know, like an EQC type thing or an ACC
type fund if a big builder does tip over, especially
if there's no sort of commercial market for warranties or insurance,
but hopefully there will be. It's just we've we've talked
to insurers in New Zealand and insurers overseas, and you know,
when they're taking on the risk of a building having

(01:00:45):
issues for ten years, that's a long time to be
sitting on that risk. And you know a lot of
insurers aren't super keen to to sit on a risk
that might eventuate in nine or ten years after they've
collected the premium.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Yeah, being really good to get your expertise. Thanks very
much for giving us a buzz. Love to hear from you.
Oh wait, hundred eighty ten eighty Are you a builder?
You're worried about what the levee could be once this
policy comes into effect?

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
This tax, it says, I'm in the current system now,
and I can tell you whatever the details of this
new idea, it can't suck as bad as what I'm
going through.

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Now Mack to Mashon Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Thank you very much, Wendy, And we're talking about the
changes to the consenting regime construction of building Minister Chris Penks. Heyes,
it's too slow and it needs to be changed up.
What it does mean is that the liability will be
less as councils for work that they do not complete
themselves effectively. If a mistake was made by the builder,
that liability from a council from signing off that consent

(01:02:51):
will be lessened. So how do you feel about this
if you're in the building trade.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
So the argument is that the council would then be
less risk averse and you could get consents quicker in
the terrified lands of that have been hit by leaky holmes.
Guys in the trades for forty years will be another
leaky home or worse. With new ruling at present, copious
amounts of dodgy work going on, council inspector's unskilled out
of depth insurances will go sky high, requiring rates to rise. Yeah,

(01:03:19):
that's a negative approach to us.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
It certainly is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
I'm involved in architecture and six years ago dissolved my
existing business to start a new business. But I still
pay yearly premiums for my insurance and we'll do for
the next four years a total of six years to
cover projects I did with that old company and as
well as paying insurance on my new company. Yeah, wow,
that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
That is so we have vasked the Minister's office for
a bit of a Q and a on what these
changes will mean for you in the building industry or
for you as a builder as well. So here's what
Love sent back. Why are you changing the liability settings
right now? If something goes wrong, they say, counsels and
their rate payers can end up covering the entire cost
of defective building work, and we've seen that before, even

(01:03:59):
when someone else is responsible. This is made those building
can send authorities far more cautious when issuing consents and
carrying out inspections, which is a significant reason for those
building delays and those high costs. To the question how
will homeowners be protected under the new liability system, so
Cabinet is currently exploring options such as professional indemnity insurance

(01:04:20):
and home warranty schemes like those required in Australia. That's
what Julian Lee's mentioned earlier this hour. Examples already exist
here like Certified Builders Halo guarantee and Master Builders ten
year guarantee. We're also taking steps to crack down on
cowboy builders by strengthening disciplinary and complaints processes. But that
is the big question. So Cabinet is now is currently

(01:04:41):
exploring those options. But that's what it hangs on is
what does that guarantee scheme, of that warranty scheme look like.
And for builders out there, I'm sure there'll be a
lot of people who are in the industry be worried
about what decisions will we make when it comes to
those warranties.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Yeah, boy, boy, this is a choose the wrong day
for me to get my head around this.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
There's a lot in there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Absolutely, I've got to MC the Chief Information a word tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
That is a big gig, no no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Yeah, I can't be trying to take in more information
on this.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
There's plenty of texts coming through on this one. Nine
two ninety two is the text number. Guys Auckland City
Council Building inspectors are not unskilled. They have a diploma
in building and construction. The consent system is working as

(01:05:35):
it should be. Those processes are there for a reason.
Leaky building situation. Anybody we mentioned that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
So that's a person that thinks that the system is working.
But what about people? You know, there's people right now
waiting twelve months for consent to move forward on a project.
So something has to change around that. Yeah, right, you
can't have a productive society of construction takes that long
to be approved exactly. I mean, economy does not work

(01:06:04):
with that kind of lag, just because people won't. You
know that the threshold to even start gets too high
for some people to even bother.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Yep, absolutely, Nathan, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 6 (01:06:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:06:17):
Good fellows?

Speaker 23 (01:06:18):
Are you?

Speaker 6 (01:06:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:06:18):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
So you've got some questions about this overhaul of the
building consent system.

Speaker 23 (01:06:24):
Yeah, to be honest, I don't know a heck of
a lot about it because of this gone to the car,
but I just sort of pointed something quite obvious, and
maybe I'm buck up the wrong tree, But you know,
earthquakes and christ Church were awful. Lots of buildings failed,
but lots of buildings didn't kill people. And I know
there's a couple of buildings that had some big issues

(01:06:45):
that will result in lots of death and lots of loss.
But trying to back up the current system of being
quite regimented about things, is that we can we attribute
some of that success of not losing life to the
stringent policies we have in place at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Well, yeah, it's a fair question. I mean, we're in
the case of christ Ute you qui't right, those buildings
that the facades came off or sadly collapsed, there were
big questions around how they were constructed. The CTV building,
for example, Nathan, you'd remember, and there was a lot
of court action around how that was designed and constructed
and the shortcuts made.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Yeah, I mean, everyone loves the building that goes up
quickly until there's a natural disaster and it comes back
down again. It's really what you say.

Speaker 23 (01:07:27):
That's one point. But there's a couple of buildings that
we know of CTV as one of them, and the
other one as well. I can't be in the name
of it, but you know, it was pretty awful consequences
that I just wonder if we go down this track
of trying to speed things up. And you know, like
if we lose that stringency, would we have if we
had the same again, would we have a whole lot
more buildings coming down?

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
How much worse is it now than it has been
in the past around consents. I feel like in recent years,
especially in Auckland, it's become almost a joke if you
if you try and do anything, then the consent is
going to kill you. It's going to punish you, and
it'll steal your soul. So there must be a balance

(01:08:09):
between safety and actually being able to get things done
in a timely manner and the economy moving surely.

Speaker 23 (01:08:16):
Yeah, I agree, I think from a very little I
know that I think christ rich is doing quite well
with consents. That I might be wrong, but yeah, just
from a from an outsiders point of view, never built
a house or anything in my life, but the fact
that we have these awful things happen, christ Rigs and
by and large we walked away, most.

Speaker 6 (01:08:39):
Of us, did you.

Speaker 23 (01:08:40):
I'm like your souls. But you know, maybe maybe the
rules we have there for a reason, and that's proof
of the budding.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call. Nason. Yeah,
I mean to counselor is just a need as this
text the councilors, as this text that suggests just need
to employ more people to push the consents through. Yeah,
because they charge.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
They certainly do charge a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
So is this just a stupid suggestion Just employ a
lot more so you can get through it a lot quicker.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Yeah, if you're currently building or you've recently gone through
that process, love to hear from you on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty how punishing was it to wait
for those consents to be ticked off? And you as
a homeowner, Because it comes to that question that if
you back yourself and your builder to take on some
of that liability yourself, and that means you save a
bit of money worth having multiple council building inspectors come

(01:09:31):
around and tick a box. Then shouldn't that be something
you as a homeowner is allowed to accept. You take
on and say, look, I trust my builder here, I
accept the liability. I think they've done a fantastic job
and it's up to code and I'm happy with that.
If I'm happy with that, you as a councilor happy
with that. But we you don't need the liability if
anything goes wrong. I'll take that on myself to save
a bit of money. Right, what do you reckon?

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
How does that play it when you sell the house?

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Very good point. Well, then you'd have to let the
new homeowner know that maybe maybe reduce the price a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
This this house, I reckon it's pretty good.

Speaker 15 (01:10:05):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
I don't have anyone to back me up on that,
but you know what this gets the Tyler Adams Gold
Class guarantee. That it's sweet as Didn't you have a
bit of a nightmare with consents recently down in christ
Church or did it go really well that something happened?

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Yeah, well no, there was a mess of backlog because
the Christiant City Council was terrible. We're trying to push
those consents out. But I've got to say for my
home down in christ Church, pretty recent build, but that
was under the Master Builders guarantee. But when a few
things started to go wrong, and here's the crux, So
the guys that built my home, they went bankrupt liquidated.

(01:10:42):
It turns out might have been a bit dodge and
so there were some things that started to go wrong
inside the house and I went to go see if
we could get the Master Builders guarantee and unfortunately the
ten years elapsed.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Right, Yes, I see, because you know if a developer
or a builder collapses, you know, how are people protected?
And a thing like this this text Malcolm says, Hey guys,
are those people waiting for consents? I would imagine they
are more about land use, especially infrastructure that's not in
place to go ahead with a build at the moment,
rather than building itself. As most designs come coming from

(01:11:14):
a building design company, will not really have any council
hold up as a rule. Thanks Malcolm.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Yep, good text. O one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. It is sixteen to three.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
So can I just half up an on sweet right
now without talking to the council? Yeah'd be good. Okay,
I'll do it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
A fresh take on Talkback. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten
eighty US talks.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
That'd be for a good afternoon to you. It is
thirteen two three and we're talking about changes to the
building consent regime.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Sandy, welcome to the show.

Speaker 19 (01:11:46):
Hey, how are you going?

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Very good?

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
So you have some concerns about how this is going
to work. Your fees may go up to cover the
sex reliability Sandy.

Speaker 19 (01:11:56):
Yeah, well, I think the architects and builders, if our
liability is increasing, then of course it needs to be absorbed,
Like if we have to pay higher insurance excess and
things like that, then yeah, of course going to have
to increase these I think the cost saving is just
perceived because it will need to be absorbed. In other places,

(01:12:17):
In Australia when I worked there, the councils do just
issue kind of like permits to build, but then you're
forced to engage a private certifier, which is similar to
having a council and inspector, but it's it's a private
company that then carries out all the inspections that you've
still got to pay them, and they're reliable, so they're
still just as expensive as a council.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Are they more efficient? Are they are they quicker?

Speaker 19 (01:12:42):
I can't really, Yeah, no idea. I didn't end up
having to just doing how that system works. Yeah, I
would say that, you know, if they're taking on the
same liability as a council does, but a council is
a bigger end there, so it can bring in a
bigger pot of money then you know, a private certifier
or the other people who are you know everything, and

(01:13:04):
you know, obviously plumbers and gas fit as an altrition
should be you know, registered, just sign off their own work.
But of course again it's now going to increase.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Right, Yeah, I mean the private sector generally finds way
ways to be more efficient than counsels and central government.

Speaker 19 (01:13:21):
Yeah, for time efficiencies, but it doesn't always mean cost saving.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Yeah. So the biggest problem here that they're trying to
fix is that they believe it will speed things up
because counsels are too risk averse because rate payers end
up covering you know, the risk. So if it goes
it's fine. Yeah, but you're just saying, you're just questioning

(01:13:46):
whether it actually be any cheaper.

Speaker 19 (01:13:49):
Yeah exactly. I don't think it's going to be cheaper.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Yeah, but quicker is cheaper.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Like we've got this person here that says that this
guy was reading before. He said that they were waiting
for months and months on their one because the guy
had their thing up around the wrong day. I've got
to find this text.

Speaker 19 (01:14:08):
It can be like if you're if you're a developer
and have like a mortgage on land and you're paying. Yeah,
it can, of course you do save. Yeah, they'll be savings,
but it won't. Yeah, and who knows a little balance
out but it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Might just yeah. Because because it's the it's the unwanted,
you know, it's the unknown of it, you know, having
to having to having to wait and not know if
you're going to get consent and having to hold people
up and making it difficult book things. Thanks for the
cool Sandy. This is the text that I wanted to
read out but couldn't find it because it disappeared. My
consent got held up two months by a council engineer
looking at the plans upside down of cost. We have

(01:14:41):
a fifteen thousand dollars an interest payment. No apology.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
Yeah, well yeah, I don't know what happened to that
council engineer. You shouldn't be a bloody council engineer, should he?

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
But am I right in saying that if you're a
council inspector, you're just sort of driving around, you know,
getting it done in your own time? Ye, knocking off early.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
I don't think you're a life person when you turn
up to the work side.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
There's not a lot of people in the office looking
for efficiencies. There's not a lot of people that are
staying up at night worrying about the bottom line and
making sure the company works to get as much business
through as you can. So you know, if you're a
private company doing the inspections, then you want it done
as quickly as possible so you can do more. So
you can do more, so you can do more moreners
you make more money.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
Yeah, time is money. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. It is nine to three.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News
Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
News Talks, EDB. It is seven to three. Plenty of
tecks have come through on this one. Get our guys.
If every builder, plumber, et cetera. Is insured, then the
insurance company quickly assesses the risk and poor tradees won't
get insurance, so overall protection is greater. Meanwhile, raatepayers who
haven't used a dodgy builder don't get lumbered with those costs.
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
But as long as these small operators can pay insurance,
you know, because some of them are operating on them
some pretty tiny little margins out there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Absolutely, Tony, what's your view on this?

Speaker 8 (01:16:10):
Yeah, so I'm a builder. I'm currently building. I've been
building an orphan for about sixty years. And the first
thing is that I just said, one of you guys
say that the inspectors just drive around. They're underpaid and overwork.
They get forty minutes through inspection and that includes the

(01:16:34):
time to get there, right, So that's the first thing
you haven't got.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Right, Well, hanging mate, Well, no, that was Tony, didn't
were that was? That was a comment on the difference
between the private sector and the public sector. I don't know.
We're not really commenting on how the actual people drive around.
We're just saying that efficiencies normally coming in the private sector.
I mean that's been proven over and over again right
over over government departments. No argument, Okay, cool, all right,

(01:17:02):
continue on.

Speaker 8 (01:17:02):
Then, so there's a huge delay in issuing a consent.
They're supposed to have twenty days to issue that. They
send out an RIFI usually ask for something that they've
already got, which stops the clock and so they start again.
And so I've just built a couple of houses the kids.
Took us eight months to get the council engineers to

(01:17:27):
improve the EPA, which is before the building even starts.
And then and then you get the delays. And but
the other thing is that nobody seems to be considering
is that when so I'm building a house at the moment,
I've had us for two inspections of the council. They've

(01:17:48):
both been three weeks out. So we've got three weeks
hanging around doing nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Yeah, and so they're saying that the main advantage in
this one of the advantages and this is that the
council and speakers wouldn't be so risk averse. But you
think it's actually just the way the system's set up
that's clogging the system.

Speaker 7 (01:18:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:18:13):
Well, I mean my opinion is they brought in the
LBP scheme in ninety two or that's thereabouts, I think,
and the whole idea was to get rid of the
time delays and the paperwork. But Auckland Council, for example,
are demanding producer statements which have got no legal they're

(01:18:34):
not a legal entity.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Sorry, sorry, Tony, we have to let you go. But
we're running out of time. The ads are coming in
like a freight train.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
They certainly are, but thanking everybody who phoned in texts
on that one. Coming up after three o'clock. Kids chores,
do you still get your kids doing the chores? And
what chores did you do as a kids? Looking forward
to this conversation, It's going to be a fun One
o eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number of Core News is on its way.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Your new home are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoon on News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Sevy afternoon, seven past three. Great to have your company
as always. Just before we get into the next topic,
man Eth.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
I was set a copy of Anything Could Happen, Grant
Robertson's book that's just come out, and someone said, turn
to this page, okay, and look. When I was a teenager,
I was in a band called kid Eternity. I was
later in a band called Deja Vuoda, but my first
band was called kid Eternity.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
Love the name.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
We did quite well. We played the big day out,
We tought a lot. But turned to this page of
Grant Robertson's book and listen to this. Going to gigs,
invariably meant hanging out with some of the bands. One
of those was a loose cartoon rock band called kid Eternity.
They had modeled themselves on the Three D's, one of
the best of the later phase of the Dunedin sound.

(01:19:54):
The kids were a bit younger than us, but we
enjoyed their irreverence. Or what they lacked in musical acumen,
they made up for with endless energy. They started getting
gigs and decided they needed a manager. We were at
all the gigs in any case, so it since and
I took on the role. That's when Grant Robertson became
the manager of our band. My main idea was to
get them in front of schools where their boyish good

(01:20:16):
looks and cheekiness would go down. Well, I still hold
on to those boys. Yeah this is good, I said
about organizing a tour of the North Island in the
earliest days of the internet. This was quite an undertaking.
The fax machine at the OUSA got a hammering, but
the tour came together well. And then a week or
two out before the dude date to leave, one of

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the kid Eternity members was unable to go. Who was
that probably came. The rest of the band did not
seem too concerned about the whole tour being canceled. But
by this stage I was two hundred dollars out of pocket.
I was not impressed. Of course, never got the money back.
But years later, when one of the band members met
he made himself famous on radio. It was a staple

(01:20:58):
gag of my appearances on his breakfast show that he
owed me money. I'm still waiting for that to be
paid back.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Hold on to that two hundred bucks, yeah, I mean, grant,
if you want that, you've got to come to the
ZB studio and come and grab it from his cold
dead fingers. You're going to keep that two hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
I dispute that I owned two hundred bucks, particularly me
out of the other form of was the band that's
sounding I'm taking him to court.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
It's a team effort. But what was their line? What
they lacked for musical acumen? They made up in boys charm? Yeah,
and some things never changed.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
And also look at this line. Here he goes a
band called Kid Attorney. It's good they modeled themselves on
the Three D's. One of the best of the later
phase of the Dunedin bands. So it's not saying we
were any good. It was saying that we modeled themselves
in a band that was quite good.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Oh that's fantastic. I'm reading that book just for that chapter. Right,
this is going to be a fun conversation. So there
was an article about kids chores that was part of
the Girls Interrupted podcast Brody Kane and a couple of others,
and they were talking about what chores kids should be
doing and what chores you did as a kid. Now,
just mention this part because this is weird from Brody

(01:22:05):
Kane herself. So she mentioned an unusual childhood or she
had her mom, and her mom's a joe. She's a
fantastic woman. Her mom would pay her fifty cents tartickle
her feet is one of the chores that is weird,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
That's that's poor pay for that job. Certainly is well,
I don't know anything about her mum's feet, but well,
you know, and the whole chore thing's an interesting thing
because I see a lot of my friends' kids don't
do any chores at all, don't get asked to do anything,
not even take out the rubbish. I think you've got
to force your kids to do chores.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
One.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
So this morning I was down in the den and
I heard up the stairs in the kitchen like the
most beautiful sound I've ever heard of my life. And
it was my son unpacking the dishwasher.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
Oh that's music, so father's ears.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
And I just thought, finally, because normally, what happens with
the dishwasher, as I was saying before, is if one
of my kids comes across the dishwasher and it's full,
they just pretend they didn't open it, and then they
go on about things. But chores, Yeah, I mean, what
are the absolute basics. When I was a kid, mowing
the lawn huge Yep, yeah, I had to. I had

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to mow the lawn. And on our farm, those lawns
were massive. It was an a care. It took it
took three hours, and that's and that's because I was
trying to rock through the cabbatry leaves and would always
get wound around the bottom of it. And then at dinner,
my dad would go, he'd sit down at the dinner
table and you go, saw that you did the lawns.

(01:23:38):
Not happy with the hedge line, not happy with us,
and just list the thing of problems.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Fair enough, you've got to nail the HDGE line. You
can't be mucking around with the HDGE line.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Yeah, but I never got paid for the chores.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
That's your thing, and that is the key, because I
never got I never got money for my chores as well.
There was no such thing as pocket money. No, you
just did what you needed to do. And Dad's line
was always the same, say, you're in my house, you
do your chores, and your payment is food on the table, tyler,
you want to eat here, that's your payments. Yeah, enough
to an idea that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
You have to pay for the chores as a new thing.
So I mean, and what chores are you making your
kids do? And what are you paying them for? Because
because you know, rolling the rubbish bins out, rolling the
wheelibins out right, Yeah, that's something that every every teenager
should do. What age from eight? As soon as you're

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big enough to roll the wheelibins out, that becomes one
of the children's jobs.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
Right absolutely. I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Do
you pay your kids pocket money? Are they still still
doing chores or are chores a bit of a thing
of the past. Love to hear from you I eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call? Nine
two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
What are the absolute basics that you should force your
kids to do?

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
Twelve past three US talks. It'd be very good afternoons.
You it is a quarter past three and we're talking
about chores for the kids. What chores do you make
the kids do? What are the bear necessity chores that
could should be doing in your household? And what were
your favorite chores when you're a kid? I eight one
hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Well your favorite chores?

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
H did have a favorite chore? Did you want me
to tell you right now?

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
Well, me and my brothers fought over who got to
do it the incinerator. Yeah, that was a great job,
just burning the hell out of all the rubbish.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
I like lighting the gorse fires.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
That's a fun on the farm, anything to do with fire.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
But I was also in charge of running down the
hill to tell the fire engines when they arrived that
it was a it was a permitted fire. Actually, I
actually liked that job, telling them running up and knocking
on the fireman not a responsibility someone twenty kilomes of
those sort of the fire and accord it. Our kids
should do chores, No, they shouldn't. You are the parent,

(01:25:39):
you look after them, not the other way around. Well,
sometimes i'd say to that text to that you are
looking after them by making them doing do chores. You
know this Texas says slave labor is the only reason
why you have kids. That's from Willie. Yeah, But I mean, like,
and this other text plays into this. Well, chores no
way easier to do it myself than the endless arguments.

(01:26:00):
So you're not Actually, I mean, maybe my dad didn't
make me mow the lawns because he couldn't be bothered, well,
not could be bothered. He would been outworking doing something
else more complicated. But I think isn't one of the
main reasons. Well, what I've always thought in my head
that the main reason why you get your kids to
do chores is you make them a person that is
capable of doing things you ghar them for life, not
just being a lazy piece scrap.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Yeah, and if you let your kids walk all over you,
I mean, how are they going to go in the
real world? This is interesting today guys. I still make
my kids set the table. That sounds like a common chore.
But I'm surprised how many of friends of a similar age.
I'm in my thirties do not do that simple task anymore.
It's such a beautiful thing to set the table. The

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kids get to have a go at it on a rotation,
but it's still a lovely part of our household that
we all sit down for dinner and the kids are
there making sure it's all ready to go.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
I remembering asked to set the table and be like,
oh God, get out the place mats, sit at the table,
and then you know, and then and then what you
do is you put the place mats around, You put
the tables down, and then you just have half the
knives and forks into the middle and you go. They go, No,
put them around they can. People can grab them from
the middle.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Oh yeah, Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Here's an interesting text, kiday. Guys,
My four year old does the following independently when asked.
He puts his dirty clothes in the hamper, puts all
his books away in the bedroom, puts everyone's shoes away,
scouts the house, and brings any stray dishes. When I'm

(01:27:34):
loading the dishwasher, sets the table for dinner, wipes down
surfaces he can reach spot, cleans the floor with the
little hand held duster, cleans up Spells. Puts his own
wrappers in the bin after snacks at four years old yard,
No way.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
There's a little Cinderella.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
A little Cinderella. You were working that four year old jeepers.
That's going back to the industrial age.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Wow, that's pretty good. My teenage boys' brains are closed
for renovation. So chores are a little if any, which
I'm okay with. They do their best regards. My kids
had to earn half of extra things they wanted. Taught
them nothing comes without hard work. They all have six
figure jobs now. I don't, however, have an extreme aversion

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to picking up dog vomit, so that could earn their
maximum funds eg. Twenty or twenty bucks. See paying for chores.
I don't know. I think you don't pay for chores.
I don't think you pay kids for chors. But then,
because there's always you get into that negotiation with your parents.
And when I was visiting my dad and Dunedin recently,
he pulled up this form and it was like an
iou Dad for thirty hours work on the farm.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
And we were trying to work out he'd kept.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
What was the work. That's a lot of money. He
makes a lot of work.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
And I was like, did I do that, yeah, because
it would have been something I want this. I don't know,
I want a bike or something. And he goes, okay,
well that's work. But that was different. But that was
additional stuff to taking out the rubbish and mowing the
lawns and such.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
Yeah. There was only one job that Dad actually offered
us cash, and it was to stack the firewood. And
he always said to the brothers, right, whoever wants this
job is going to get ten bucks. But that was
quite a smart way to do it because he just
wanted it done and ten bucks to make us. Me
and my brothers fight over who's going to stack the wood.
But that was a crap job. I hated stacking the wood,
but ten bucks was ten bucks. There was a lot

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of money.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
I made some dangerous like that you shouldn't do this.
So I found out. You know, when you're stacking a
huge amount of wood for the whole of winter and
you make a little wood cabin insider, yes, yeah, and
then and then you put it in there and then
your dad comes out and goes you'll get gold in
there because you've made this really it's not a fort.
You've made this really unsafe.

Speaker 15 (01:29:41):
Force.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties number to call Darcy, Welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
To the shay.

Speaker 11 (01:29:46):
Hey gooy Matt, how can you brother?

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Very good? Think you your thoughts on chores?

Speaker 11 (01:29:51):
Well, yeah, I've got a I've got a seventeen year
old son, man, and I'm all for him doing challs.
I'll been making him do chall since he was probably
about twelve thirteen years old, mainly for the reasons what
you say, man, I mean, I just want to make
sure when he leaves home and he knows how to
look after himself.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Yeah. So what are the lists of chores that he
has to do?

Speaker 11 (01:30:12):
Well, nothing too complicated, man, but yeah, going back to
the dishwasher, that's that's first and foremost. You always have
to do the dishwasher. And every single night he always
does the dishes without sale and then and he does
get some pocket money as well.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
So does he do the dishes without argument? He just
goes up and does it on his own volition.

Speaker 11 (01:30:29):
Well, yeah, he's been doing it since he was thirteen,
so he put up a bit of a fight for
the first couple of months, but he's over it now
it's just the normal. Yeah, he'll do it every night.
I don't even need to ask him anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Is that your only child? Does he?

Speaker 11 (01:30:43):
No, I've got I've got three, but the other two
are both under five, So I haven't got this.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Because because what annoyed me is annoyed me is I
had three sisters and they all put up their hand
and said I want to cook dinner. And it was
a result. I was the dishes guy always because were
so enthusiastic about cooking. And then what got me, I'm
going to I'm going to be about to relitigate some
stuff here.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
It's going to be good.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
If you don't do the dishes for your cooking, then
you'll use every goddamn pot in the entire kitchen because
you've got nothing to lose by just making the biggest
mess of all time, because you know that poor little
Matt has to go in there after bloody dinner and
clean it up.

Speaker 17 (01:31:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:31:20):
Yeah, But being on man, it was always it was
always an argument with my siblings about who was washing
and drying I mean, everyone'd always wanted to wash and
no one wanted to dry, so I was always the
one doing the drying.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
Yeah, the washing was the easy job. You got warm
hands of its, and winter you could smash through it.
And then you'd laugh at your sibling while they were
trying all those dishes for hours on end.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Well, we're really RELI getting things. I just want to say.
My parents had these bone handled knives that couldn't go
through the dishwasher, so I had to wash it and
dry them every night. And I'd go, why can't we
just keep the bone handle knives for special occasions and
buy some knives and forks that can go through the dishwasher,
or just run the bonehandled knives so the dishwasher, mom

(01:32:01):
and Dad until they're broken, and then buy some new ones.
Because you're working with like a goddamn slave here, bloody
washing these bonehandled knives anymore? Who cares if they're knives
are bone handled until they get to university and they
using them for other things.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Let it out, mate, let it out. You've been holding
on today for some time.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
It's a lot a lot of mild brother, Thanks for
your coold Yeah, what a great call. A lot of low,
low key childhood Touma.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
It is twenty two Part three. Keen to hear from you.
The phone lines are full at the moment, but keep trying.
O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Be afternoon, it's twenty five past three. We're talking about
chores for the kids. Some great teachs coming through Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
As a teacher, of the kids who do chores are
the best in most cases. They are organized, responsible, know
how to be part of the team and show initiative.
Give them, give them, class of them every time over.
Kids who don't give me a class of them every
time over kids who don't do chores. Also, research proves
pre schulers preschoolers love helping out the best way to teach,
being part of the FUNO team and contributing to where

(01:33:12):
they love slash work. That's from TJ. Thank you for
your text, Nathan, Welcome to the show here you guys,
you're right, very good.

Speaker 10 (01:33:21):
I'm an appliance for pairmen in Donedin and the number
of UNI students that do not know how to ham
washed dishes is actually insane. First first lot I ever met,
first week when I moved down here nine years ago,
was four boys first year's first time flooding and dishwasher
broke down. I said, oh, I've got to get a part.

(01:33:42):
I'll see you in a week. Hang on, well, how
do we do dishes? I thought that put my leg
I said, mate, but a dish washing liquid or we
don't know how well, you've got to be kidding me.
But then there was the flatter girls only a year
ago that asked why the shower was backing up. I said, oh, no,
here we go, went in there, got my hook, pulled

(01:34:03):
out the plug and there was a sausage of hair
in it. Oh so parents, grand parents, please show them
how to to, oh take the hair out of the shower,
how to use not only the dishwasher but also a
bit of sunlight liquid, but also how to pick up
a mop. The number of kitchens I've had to kneel

(01:34:25):
down and then peel myself off the sticky floors is insane.
It just look it does my head. Or here's one
when I told the student that they do not need
to use two scoops for a pair of undies in
the washing machine about it, you know, so they wondered
what that was machine broke out. They don't wring their

(01:34:52):
parents and ask for help because they're young and independent
and doing this adulting thing.

Speaker 8 (01:34:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Yeah, I think. I think doing your own washing is
quite a high level of skill for a teenager. For
some reason, it takes them quite a while to do it.
If you're nage boy, you rather than do your washing,
you're willing to go quite a long time just stinking.

Speaker 10 (01:35:16):
Well, in this age of YouTube, there's no use get
on there. There's there's help for how to boil an
egg a little alone, how to how to use your
washing machine, and then there's that little thing called the
instruction manual.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
Yeah you figure it out.

Speaker 10 (01:35:35):
Yeah, how to unplug the here and the share is
a must? Yeah, absolutely, And they're splashing it for two
months before they even thought to ask anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
It's disgusting. And there and there I mean, and that's
a great recipe to get the athletes loop going right
right through the flats. I wonder if there's directions, you know,
most products have directions, are their directions on how to
watch wash dishes on the back of your your sunlight question.

Speaker 20 (01:36:04):
They assume that people.

Speaker 10 (01:36:05):
Have a brain.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
That's that's a risky assumption.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
Yeah, Nathan, Carolyn, how are you?

Speaker 11 (01:36:13):
Oh, I'm good.

Speaker 14 (01:36:14):
Thanks, yep, I'm good speaking.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
Now, what were the chores that you had to do?

Speaker 24 (01:36:18):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (01:36:18):
Well, you know, everything like stacking the wood, doing the dishes,
feeding the dogs, making my bed. Yep, you know, all
that sort of basic thing. But my mum is still
alive and she's ninety eight. She's in an old people's
home and she loves telling the girl from the weekend

(01:36:40):
to show initiatives and they go, what's initiative? They've never
heard of that word, and so she explained she has
to give them little lessons on what initiatives is, seeing
jobs that need to be done, and pick something up
if it needs to be picked up, and all that
sort of stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:36:58):
So it's rather sweet.

Speaker 14 (01:36:59):
Actually, I think it takes the elderly need to get involved,
don't they. They can't sit quietly.

Speaker 7 (01:37:05):
And watch it all.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
Yeah. Absolutely, But you're quite right. You know, doing chores
can make you a good person in the community. It
sets you up for life, and that sense and responsibility
it just does.

Speaker 14 (01:37:17):
It means you're going to get off your bus and
go and do you can see something over the e
just go and help out and do it.

Speaker 18 (01:37:22):
I think you got to be careful.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
No you go, Carolyn, you go, Caroline, Sorry.

Speaker 14 (01:37:27):
No you go, because I think you're about to say you've.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
Got careful to what You've got to be careful Because
my son was going for this, I think it was
William piker Ward and he was out picking up rubbish
on the street. There was a certain amount of community,
a certain amount of ours yet to do that, and
he started picking up rubish on the street. And so
I started going out and picking up rubbish and putting
their bags in the neighborhood. And since then we've it
was actually become really enjoyable and now we've become so

(01:37:51):
addicted to it. When the two of us are walking
back from the dairy, we both start picking up rubbish
off the street and just walking around like wombles, cleaning
up the neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
It's nice.

Speaker 13 (01:38:01):
I asia's a little bit. It's off topic, but a
little bit.

Speaker 14 (01:38:11):
When I was in England, you know, you go walking
on these sort of public walk ways and stuff, and
the English friends of mine said is to so what
is it about you New Zealanders. Why do you have
to say hello to everybody you pass? It's just sort
the same thing, isn't it, you know, picking up rubbish
you're saying today, Yeah, yeah, on you go being.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
A good citizen. Yeah, love it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
Thank you for your call, Carolyn.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know that about you. Mate. That's nice,
it's really nice.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
But it's an addiction. Yeah, and then you can't, you know,
because it's an endless job. You know, there's just a.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
Way it never stops. You just sort of like you
start at the.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Corner of your eye you see like a McDonald's rapper
and you're like, oh god, yeah. But yeah, we started
to enjoy it when we would running winen of the Award.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
Love it yeah, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. We've got headlines with Wendy,
but then taking more of your calls about chores that
you get your kids to do, or that the chores
you did as a kid. It is twenty nine to four.

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Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
Thank you very much, Wendy having a great discussion about
kids chores. There was a bit of a discussion on
The Girl's Unfiltered podcast about kids chores. But really keen
to hear from you on one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
What are the chores that you do your get your
kids to do at home and do you pay them
pocket money?

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
The challenge was talking about before that we did with
my son was the William Pike Challenge. It's fantastic. We
went tramping in the Coramandel as well. It was bloody
great time. Jelia, good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:40:45):
It's a high level award that and William Pike himself
I think was quite a He still is a pretty
incredible individual.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
Yeah. Well, it did create an addiction for picking up
rubbish and there's a few other people that have this
as well. Oh my god, Matt, I'm the same and
my mother. They live by the beach and we can't
walk past rubbish without picking up. People look at us,
But shouldn't it be ways? But shouldn't it be available
to me?

Speaker 6 (01:41:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
I'm sure. The Yeah, tidy keywis if you start trying
to clean the world, you'll be a busy person.

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Sy, well, Celia, how are you? Oh hi there, how
are you very good? So what did you do with
your kids when it came to chores, Well, when.

Speaker 25 (01:41:27):
I come to show, I don't then currently that would
if it's paid or unpaid. For my one was unpaid, unpaid, unpaid.
And the reason I did that because I wanted to
teach them the value of a family as a team
and we work together, not only for you know, the
money is here, you know. Yeah, they support the family

(01:41:48):
is there to will support one another. And when they
were living, I always since they've got the knowledge of
four years old, it will take them to the garden
to help me or to even clean the windows. And
at the stage when they were around eleven to twelve
years old, they must cook a meal for the family
once a week.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Ah yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 25 (01:42:10):
And they will cook a meal for the family once
a meal. And when I say cook, it's cooked. Nothing
profits it's just cut on, cut tomatow caxiic and.

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
Everything right on.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
So you can't just put a McCain's pie in there.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
And no fish filling straight from the freezer, no nothing
from the freezer, everything fresh.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
Wow.

Speaker 25 (01:42:30):
They enjoy buy friends and the friends with the parents,
and they will cook. And were feeling so proud of
my children. And by the time when they too fourteen,
they must wash their own clothes by themself. However, we
teach them through before they get into fourteen years old.
And they've been watching two clothes since they are fourteen,

(01:42:53):
and now they are twenty and twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Well, how good. And when they're washing the clothes, when
you've got them washing the clothes as clia, are they
are they separating out the colors black.

Speaker 25 (01:43:04):
With black, yeah, with white, all colors all separated. Hitch
them from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
And having it right through, all of it through the
dryer or seppering out of the separating their stuff that.

Speaker 25 (01:43:14):
Strength dryer, the sunshine, you put the clothes out, and
if you sell you a dumb you put in the
dry the rest you're not allowed to use the dryer.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Wow. See, because that's that's sort. Where whereabouts do you live?
What do you live in, Celia?

Speaker 25 (01:43:29):
I live in Albany.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
In Albany, yeah, yeah, right, because you know it's a
different issue down in Dneeden where I grew up. Because
you can put everything out on the line or put
them on a clothes horse and they just sit there.
They don't dry solid for the whole of winter. They
get hold on them. Well, good on you, Celia, you
sound like a great mum. Thank you so much for
your call.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
I've got to say I don't actually separate the whites
from the colors, and I just whack everything in the
dry even up here in Auckland.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
You can tell look at the terrible state of that ship.

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
But look out, look out, how much shrinkage is going
on now?

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
This is why I buy so much cheap clothing?

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Well, mate, uh, the cheapness you have an eyender either. Yeah,
ironing obviously wasn't one of your chores.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
Yeah. I mean it's either shrinking or I'm putting on
a lot of weight, but either or it's not good. Well,
sir her guns.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
I want to set you some chores, including doing the ironing. Yeah,
thanks mate, Shay, welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
Get a shay.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
Hey, So you think children are too busy down with
their phones at the moment to do their chores.

Speaker 26 (01:44:37):
And they just.

Speaker 24 (01:44:39):
Have the air tube where they don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
M Is this your kid? Is this your kids? Your children?
In general?

Speaker 24 (01:44:48):
Children in general. No, well, my daughter a little bit.
She doesn't care so much about the things that are
bad for her, like the energy drinks, you know, how
things are made what And then she's like, I don't care,
it tastes so honor, you know, eat rubbish.

Speaker 18 (01:45:08):
Or but she's old enough.

Speaker 24 (01:45:11):
She can right. I don't have that control or we'd
over her anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
How old is she?

Speaker 24 (01:45:22):
She's twenty two this year.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Oh yeah, twenty two, he says. Had to tell her
twenty two you what to do, isn't it. But is
she living under your roof?

Speaker 24 (01:45:31):
Well that's another story altogether. But where as soon as
she asked to make her school lunch, that was it.
That was her job from there on.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Yeah, right, once.

Speaker 24 (01:45:44):
She was like can I do the dishes one day?
That was her job from then on.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
That was good.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
So she probably would have learned to stop stop asking
to do stuff after a while.

Speaker 26 (01:45:55):
Yeah, well, you would say, but she was with a
very fast learner. But I see kids today and like,
you know, you're not allowed to hit your kids or anything,
but I just want to pummel some of them. And
as for the rubbish, like I'm a firm believer it

(01:46:15):
like if you see that rubbish or think about that rubbish.
Therefore that rubbish is being your problem and you should
pick it up.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
Yeah, right, even out of so you're talking about out
and about out of the house, out on the streets.

Speaker 17 (01:46:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:46:31):
Yeah, if you look at that rubbish or see it
or think about it, it becomes your rubbish. So you
should pick it up in my in my.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
View, so when you started, like so, your your daughter
would say, look and start doing the dishes. They're becoming
a job, et cetera, et cetera. Once she started the job,
did you have to not tell her? She just she
just knew that was her job. And she continued, did
you have to hassle her to do it?

Speaker 24 (01:46:56):
You start to tell her And it took her a
while to become good at it and meet the standard
in which was expected. But you know, I had your
you are young, and I was told don't create a
world for your own back yeah, and I ran with it.
And so, yeah, she is a good kid. I'm very

(01:47:20):
absolutely proud of her. She's yeah the reasons she's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
Oh that's so good to hear, Shay, thank you so
much for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
Sound like a great mum. I wait, one hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call what the key
chores kids should be doing.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
Because the thing is with the thing with the chores, right,
is that if it becomes a chore for you to
constantly every night be arguing with your kids to make
them do something, it can make the house really stressful.
So it can be the situation where, yes, God, it's
easier if I do.

Speaker 3 (01:47:49):
It path of least resistance.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
Absolutely, But you're not making them do the chores because
it's something that needs to be done. You're making them
do the bloody chores because they need to be people
that know how to do stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
YEA, keep fighting the good fight. It is seventeen to four.
I eight hundred eighty teen eighty is an number to
call the big.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
Story, the big issues, to the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons used talks
that'd be for a good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
It is a quarter to four, Matthew, your thoughts on
kids and chores.

Speaker 27 (01:48:24):
Yeah, so I've got an interesting perspective. I worked with
young people for quite a number of years and studied
developmental psychology. I'm also dard of three kids myself, And
there's some really interesting studies around people's self esteem and

(01:48:45):
their resiliency and doing chores, and so if you do chort,
get your kids to do chores, it's been shown that
they've got higher levels of self esteem and resiliency.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
Right, what do you think that is? It is because
they're achieving something and showing competence and having little victories.
I mean, once you finish a choor, there's a certain
amount of that comes to you and satisfaction even if
you didn't want to.

Speaker 27 (01:49:10):
Do it, absolutely, and it also gives the people greater
sense of self So it helps you, you know, have
power in your own world because you are doing something
and you feel like you've got that that power in
your world to maybe change in your world rather than

(01:49:32):
always everything being done for you.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
Ess interesting. I read a study I can't I don't
have it on me, but it was about kids that
made to make their bed every day, and they did
a study and the results were quite huge for kids
that made their bed every day. And these studies are
complicated because if you've got parents that are making you
make your bed every day, there's probably you know, other
things going on that complicate the positive outcomes. But they

(01:49:57):
seem to claim that just that one thing, that just
little chore that you were made to make your bed
every day made it made a huge difference. And maybe
it's that just little victory you've just achieved something at
the start of the day for you even go out
of the world, you've at least made a bid.

Speaker 27 (01:50:13):
Yeah, I just I just think it's it's just that
whole thing of doing stuff yourself and feeling competent at
something kind of changes your perspective and gives you more
confidence in the world, which obviously then impacts your self
esteem and helps you when tough times happen that you've

(01:50:35):
got something to fall back on and go, well, if
I can do this, then I can also do other things.

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
Makes a lot of sense. What about the pocket money
elements of a Matthew did that come Does that come
into the equation with resilience and responsibility?

Speaker 27 (01:50:50):
And not that I am had in my study. But
what I do with my kids is we've got, like,
we don't give them pocket money, but we've got a
series of jobs that they can do to earn money.
So they've got certain things that they need to do
as functional members of our household, and then extra gigs
that they can do kind of to earn money. So

(01:51:12):
if they don't want to do those things, they don't
have to. But if they need money, then they can
do those things. And then if they choose not to
do their jobs, then we kind of charge them for
the jobs that they are supposed to be doing if
we have to do them. So it kind of works
both ways and kind of takes a lot of that

(01:51:32):
fight out of yeah, you have to do the jobs.
So they don't dos and pieces that they're supposed to do,
then they get charged two dollars and they can earn
that two dollars back by doing a job that I
want them to do that you know it's going to.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
Take my time, yeah, because because I ask you that,
because you know you have this this you know, the
self confidence whatever that you earn from doing jobs and
doing chores. But then there is also the downside of
if you're not going to do them, and the endless
fighting and arguments with your parents are constantly every day.
If that's another side of the whole chore thing, isn't it, Matthew, Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:52:13):
And I guess that's for us where the gig side
of things work. So as I say, like, if they're
supposed to empty the dishwasher and it goes no, I
can't be today and I have to do it. And
I charged them two dollars for entying their dishwasher. And
then if they want to, you know, if they go
and do the lawns and then and ten dollars, then
I only owe them eight dollars because I did one

(01:52:35):
of their jobs that they were supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
I wonder if there's ever been a study on how
hard it is to do chores when you're young as
opposed to when you grow older, because when you're when
you're a teenager, I remember it just being so physically painful.
When I was asked to set the table or empty
the dishwasher or doing anything, it was like, oh God,
and now I quite I just do it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:57):
I just quite through it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
I don't even think about it. I quite quite quite
enjoy it. But as a teenager, you see it when
you ask them to do something, you're like, oh, yeah,
I think that.

Speaker 27 (01:53:10):
Has got to do much more with parts of the
development of the brain and kind of the the brain's
wired that once you get to a teenager everything that
your parents is completely useless and it doesn't make any
sense because from a developmental psychology place, it's kind of
that space of pushing you out of the family home

(01:53:31):
and you're going to go find your own way in
the world. So yeah, I think that's probably a lot
more of that side of things than the just the
chores themselves. So I guess that's the joy of parenting teenagers.
You have to kind of, you know, look after them
and try and meet them where they're at and have
rules of reason.

Speaker 3 (01:53:52):
Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Matthew, great to chat
with you. Thank you very much. I think we've got
time for Julie.

Speaker 16 (01:53:59):
Julie, yes, and a good afternoon to you two gentlemen.
Always enjoy your programs.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
I thank you.

Speaker 16 (01:54:06):
As a growing up her child on a dairy farm,
a small dairy and pig farm at Mustan, my job
was to feed the chicks and to feed the carbs.
What if I sold any eggs they had people that
wanted the eggs, that was my wages, that was my
pocket money. I must say that I did enjoy my

(01:54:28):
job than but my brother did because he had to
sweep out the pigs. So I never really liked that job.
I have a sixteen year old grandson who lives with me,
who likes to do chores and involves the motor feeding
out the cows of the tractor, mowing the lawns on
the right on lawn mower. Yeah, that's fine, anything that

(01:54:52):
has a motor in it, and that's a job that
he can do. Yet he's really good at it. But
then he doesn't get pocket money. I buy him petrol
every now and then for his car, so I find
that equal. But he does have to do the dishes
because I like doing the dishes because where we live
at so cold.

Speaker 7 (01:55:12):
My hands were warm in the water.

Speaker 3 (01:55:14):
You're a good lady, Jully.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
Yeah, doing other great things in life, I've realized, and
this just shows how different I was from when I
was a teenager. But it's doing dishes with dish washing
gloves hot and getting the water really hot. Yeah that
brings me joy.

Speaker 3 (01:55:25):
Now, right, great discussion, Thank you very much. We've got
to play some messages, but back very shortly. It is
seven two four.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
Yeah, this says, hey Tyler. Seeing as you aren't a
parent yet, you should take note. It isn't as easy
as you seem to be. Making it out. Yeah, it
is making your kids. We'll see you have kids, Tyler,
I bet you do everything for them because you can't
be bothered arguing with them.

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
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Speaker 16 (01:55:56):
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Someone told me today she doesn't really like talkback, but
the guys in the afternoon are pretty good her those
Yeah apparently, Nah, Rob, the other guys, well take it.
We'll pretend like it's us.

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that for so many people are getting upset about Donald
Trum because of the secondhand news that they consume.

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