Full Show Podcast: 21 August 2025

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How are your friends and family and your mum.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
And give them Medeski where you seem busy, I'll let
you go, all right then? Okay and Tyler from christ
Church So if it's not, it's because he's coming down
a zoom line.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
All right, we love you. They love you down here
as well, Matt, do they Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
So lady, your mommy dead and all the best around you,
your nanny nana passing. Yeah, got lots of love to
your buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Thank you mate, Right, we'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Bye, Love you.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Some big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News
Talk said, be.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Thursday show. Great
to have your company as always. Get a mate, how
you doing yet?

Speaker 2 (01:46):
A Tyler? You're down in christ Church. You're you're beaming in.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, beaming him from christ Church.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
And I'll heard you over the last hour, mate, and
got a lot of phone calls saying how are you doing?
So I thought i'd just pop in and say good,
you've enjoyed yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Oh look it was you know you're my anchor. You
know you set me up, so we were we were
afloat at sea without an anchor. So I'm just glad
we didn't smash into the rocks and a whole Matt
Tyler Afternoons didn't think you know, it was.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
A good lesson mate, it was a good lessen but yeah, yeah,
But on a serious notes, I'm down here my beautiful
Nana Beatty. Sadly she passed away on Friday. So we
had a beautiful service about a couple of hours ago
with close family and I know that's what Nana would
have wanted. And Mum and the rest of the family

(02:32):
Auntie uncle were very grateful to have as much of
the family down here as possible, so it was nice.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
How's the family holding up, buddy.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
They are down at the cafe right now having a
few whiskeys and wines, so yeah, yeah, I think they
will be having some fantastic afternoon.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Actually, And how are you holding up?

Speaker 5 (02:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Good? Good God.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
I will just say, you know, and I said this
during the service, and I just want to say it
now because I know she'll be listening.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Nana love you to death.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
And if I can have a modicum of the strength
that she had as a person, I'm a very very
lucky man. So rest easy, Nana and we'll see you
against So oh yeah, I just wanted to say that, mate,
But yeah, yes, bless you Nana, Betty. But no, good

(03:22):
to be back in here today, mate, And I've got
to say that stadium drove past the stadium down in
christ You saw it in person.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Who looking good?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Looking real good? Yeah, really good. So it's on track
to open up. So that certainly is so positive for Christies.
You're right, Tyler, absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Onto today's show after three o'clock, let's have a chat
about dog tacks. They have been in the news out
of a lot over recent years. The latest was a
rampaging pitbull which launched itself from a moving vehicle and
stormed into an Auckland jewelry store while attempting to go
for a little lap dog and it obviously spotted in store,
latching onto them an employee in the process. So that was,

(03:57):
I mean, a very dramatic and full noise situation. But
this has probably been a situation that many people have
been in themselves, as in been rushed by a dog
or to face up with the dog that might be
about to have a go.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah. Absolutely, a pitbull jumping out of a car and
running into a Michael Hill jewelers is to attack a
lap dog. I mean that's not ideal, is it? And
you know, feel for this employee, Stacy Penn. She jumped
out to protect the customer and her kvoodle, and she
claims to it's ended her twenty year career in jewelry,

(04:32):
so not great. And look the mutt is the owner
has received an infringement order and the dog has to
be muzzled and muted. But is that enough of a
punishment for a dog that's so angry that it will
jump out of a moving car? Or is that just life?
Dogs will be dogs and we love them, and every

(04:54):
now and then there's going to be incidents like this,
but the overall general good is such that we don't
want to punish people too much. When this happens, you know,
it'll be a great chat. We've already got hundreds and
hundreds of texts on this.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
So it's it's come through.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
It's really firing up, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
It's going to be a hot one after three o'clock.
After two o'clock.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Appreciating referees in New Zealand, so many would know the
name Ben O'Keefe, renowned rugby referee and one of the
referees who actually pushed back a bit on some of
the online abuse he has had in the past. He
mentioned it again in a recent interview with Shane curry
about how well kewis, how well known, Rather key is
a feeling about the state of the country right now.
One of the things he said he dislikes is still

(05:32):
that online pylon that seems to be ingrained in New
Zealand when it comes to referees and do we appreciate
the job they do enough? This is going to be
an interesting chat.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, I mean, the online pilon is one thing, but
it's also the side of feel the sideline pilon, which
is a much bigger issue because, as I keep saying,
the referees are so important. Sport is so important in
our community. We need it with young people need to
be getting out and they need to be spending time
with other young people in it. And the purpose that

(06:02):
you get from being in a rugby team is huge.
And I personally think rugby is the best team sport
because there's a place for people of every size, you know, big, small,
There's a place for everyone, even little wieners like you, Tyler.
There's a place. There's a place for you.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Saying that make for yeah, but it doesn't work costantly.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
It's also an incredibly complex game, so it doesn't work
without officiating. So if we have a culture in the
society where we're just ragging on refs, not just online
but even yelling at the TV when your kids are around,
and just making it hard for people to be refs.
Then I don't know how the game can can survive.
And further to that, we have Rob Harmon, president of
the Eukland Rugby Referees Association, coming on the show as

(06:40):
well to talk about how it all works at the
you know, the grassroots level of rugby in New Zealand.
So I'm really looking forward to that chat. I think
it's an important thing for us to discuss.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
That is after tooklopper right now, let's have a chat
about dental care in New Zealand. So the Dental Association,
as we know, have released their Oral Health Roadmap twenty
twenty five to twenty twenty thirty. They're calling our situation
and oral health crisis and key to their recommendations was
a levy on sugary j drinks and better labeling. So

(07:11):
this has been floated around for some time, the idea
of taxing sugary drinks or a sugar tax in general.
Clearly the Dental Association has been pushing for this for
a long time, but it's bound to be a little
bit controversial. Matt Heath about the idea of checking another
tax onto the poor suffering New Zealand people.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, I mean it is interesting. And look, I'll attempt
this word again that I've never been able to pronounce,
but I'm going to. For some reason, we have certain
words that we just can't get out, and this is
one for me. It's potentially not even a word. Infantilization.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Infintilization, Yeah, that I nail it.

Speaker 6 (07:46):
I think.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
So you're treating the entire population like kids that can't
brush their teeth, you know. So you're saying, if you know,
if you can't look after your teeth, surely you're a
bit of a muppet across the board, right, If you
can't brush your teeth, then not just pound one point
five liter fizzy drinks every day to such that you
rot your teeth out? I mean, can we really save you?

Speaker 3 (08:09):
See here's my thinking on it is.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
I hate the idea of another tax and on sugary drinks,
and how do you actually make that work?

Speaker 3 (08:16):
It seems like a lot of admint.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
But if these muppets are guzzling three leads of coca
cola each day and then clogging up our health system
at the emergency level. Then tax the crap out of them,
make them pay more for that dirty old coke, and
then hopefully feed that money back into the health system.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
I mean, are there really people out there that can't
afford a toothbrush and toothpaste? Because you know, I would
support making sure that everyone in the country can get
a toothbrush and toothpaste, you know, I think I think
that would be really important. I remember when I was
at primary school, we'd get given them every year. We'd
get given these just it was a fun little thing
and you'd get given you a little pack. But you know,

(08:52):
I would maybe support that, But I mean, come on, really,
if you can't brush your teeth, there's no helping you.
You know, come on, this is going to be a
good one.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
I wait, under an eighty ten eighty, how do you
feel about the idea of a tanks on sugary drinks
as this treating us all like kids and now we
can't even buy a can of coke without the government
taking a little bit of it. Or do you think
there needs to be some controls in a little bit
of push to the little let's be frank here idiots
who are clogging up the emergency departments with rotten teeth
because they can't be bothered to clean them. Oh, eight

(09:23):
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. The
phone lines have lit up already, let's get into it.
It is fourteen bars one.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks that'd be.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Hey, we're talking about the Dental Association's Oral Health Rowmap
twenty twenty five to twenty thirty. It's made a bunch
of recommendations on how we can solve what o're call
in an oral health crisis. One of the key ones
was a tax on sugary drinks and better labeling. How
do you feel about that? Eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. A whole bunch of
text are coming through on this one, like this one. Guys,

(10:04):
there's already a tax.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
It's called GST.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, I mean that's across the board, Yes, Tex, the
fizzy drinks put the dollars into healthcare, as this person
primary responsibility for dental care in oral health education starts
with fun to address the root cause.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Ah, the root cause. But I'm bomb.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
So I guess you know there's no doubt that sugary
drinks are terrible for you. I mean, we've got an
obesity epidemic in this country. I mean you, you know,
we have so much worse how oalth outcomes from overeating
than we do from under eating. And I'll tell you what.
Something will get you a beese very fast as a

(10:43):
sugary fizzy drink. Right, So there's no doubt that we
absolutely need to stop drinking more of them, and everyone
should stop drinking more of them, and especially if you're
especially if you're overweight, you know, slamming fizzy drinks is
terrible for you. But you know, to go back to
that world word infantilization, Yes, basically that's if you keep

(11:03):
treating people as children, even a whole society. You know,
there's been lots of studies that say that, you know,
individuals start to feel disrespected and it takes away their agency.
So if you just keep telling a whole country that
you aren't even capable of brushing your own teeth and
not drinking fizzy drink, then what are you saying to people,
you know, how are you supposed to create a country

(11:25):
that is, you know, forward looking and striving and getting
things done and increasing our productivity. If you're telling people
that you're too useless to stop drinking.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Fuzzy drink, you're getting a lot of support.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
John, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (11:42):
Oh hi, Yeah, I'd like to clarify about the cost
associated with dynastry. If you qualify, you can get a
WINS quote for one thousand dollars, non refundable every year,
and you can get WINS quotes for the full amount
of gental treatment for treatment plans as well, and the

(12:02):
running costs of a dental practice for quote hither about
sixty percent and then you take away tex to you
TNACC and the left with about twenty five percent in
their hand. And I think people who just need to
educate themselves about the cost of the industry in New
Zealand and why they're they're that high.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Do you work in the industry, John, Yeah? I used
to Yeah as a d test Yeah yeah, yeah. Why
did you stop again? Just just before we get back
to the topic at hand, what did you get out
of the game.

Speaker 7 (12:31):
For medical reasons? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh, right, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
That's so sick and sorry you car around, John, It's okay.

Speaker 8 (12:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (12:39):
I just think there's a lot of ignorance unfortunately, a
lot of sort of negatively towards dnistry in New Zealand.
And then it's just in general because people don't understand
the cost associated with obviously to train as at five
years for to get an a average to get in
these days, one hundred and twenty k of debt over
your head if you started, if you started practice stuff,
it's like about three hundred and fifty thousand dollars for
the practice. And if you work for someone else, you're

(13:03):
in about forty percent commissions. So you know, every one
hundred dollars you and you only get about twenty dollars
in your hands. So it's not as lucrative of what
people think. And I think a lot of you know,
ignorance outdal with regards to oral health in general, and
that's partly you know, the dental side of it as well.
We should be educating people more. But you know, people

(13:23):
just you know, they go stiper marks and they laid
up to float up on sugary drinks and then wonder
why their teeth are terrible convictions.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
You know, I've got a question for you, John, and
I always you know you can answer me this. And
maybe the answer is that that dentists are just good people,
and the and the Dental Association is just good people.
But why do dentists the dentist industry want people to
look after their teeth? Surely the Dentist Association and dentists
in general have a you know, the more bad teeth

(13:52):
out there, the more work.

Speaker 7 (13:54):
It's so much work in generally anyway, we don't need
extra work and actually get short. There's actually a shortage
of dentists actually coming through, a lot of them going uperseas,
so there's there's more than enough of work to go around.

Speaker 9 (14:06):
Really.

Speaker 7 (14:07):
There are some ethic people within dnistry, like there aren't
all sort of you know professions, but generally the vast
majority just want to help their patients, you know, and
that you know, been in the industry for a long time,
you know, dentist earns a lot less than what people think.
You know, some trades and learn more than we do.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
So it is interesting, yeah, yeah, because the perception out
there is that dentists are just absolutely ripping us off,
and it's a it's a huge scandal and and they're
just doing a few months then going off and playing
some golf and then going out on the bar and
then heading off to the gold. It's not the case.

Speaker 10 (14:45):
It's not about at all.

Speaker 7 (14:47):
I mean that there are some top end sort of
like specialist like periodics and rook and of specialists that
charge are you at a lot because they've got a
lot of training and they're like the brain switches a
dentistry and they deserve it as well. But you know,
the average dentist is not earning anywhere near the level
what people think. And it's just because the running cross
of so vid.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Sorry just to jump in there, John, is a fee
to say, a lot of the independent dental clinics are
being brought up by by some of the bigger corporations.
And ye know what I mean by that, it's almost
a couple of the big companies are coming in and
buying up these local clinics and almost consolidating where we
get our industry from.

Speaker 7 (15:26):
Yeah, definitely Lumino and another group called the Dental Group
that are starting out. There's the exactly the same thing
because it be on your own and as a sole practitioner.
It's really difficult because you've got the running cost which
are high, and you're on your own. There's no peer contact,
you know, doesn't have anyone has to talk to about
your issues and stuff like that, so, you know, and
we're not we're not trained to run a business at

(15:46):
dental school. So it's much easier just to hand that
over and yet you know, five or six percent less
commission overall and then just give it to someone else,
you know, to do the whole thing. So that's what's
happening all around the world. Happened in the UK, and
looking over there, happens in Australia, and it's happening here
as well.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
So the idea of a sugary text just to write
it back to that, Do you think it will make
any difference if that?

Speaker 5 (16:11):
No?

Speaker 3 (16:11):
And why no?

Speaker 7 (16:13):
I just don't. I mean, I think people are certain
ingrained and what they like and what they don't like,
and if something is ten to ten more expensive, they're
not going to change. So I don't think it will happen.
I think people have got to sort of educate themselves
from a young age not to consume sugar products in
the first place. That's the issue, and that's education from
their parents. You know, if the sugary drink is one

(16:34):
dollar ten compared to one dollar, people still going to
buy it. You know, I'm probably I'm not sitting in
with the rest of the dentist, but that's what I think.
I think the sugary tax will make much difference at all.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
All right, Hey, thank you so much for those insights, John,
really interesting. Yeah, great to get your thoughts and the
John all the best with your health mate.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Okay, thanks very much, yes, yeah, go well, oh, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is an umber to call
twenty four past one. If you're in the dentistry trade,
love to hear your thoughts. Do you concur with what
John just said? Is it unfairly demonized the cost we
pay for a dentistry work? And can you see any
mirrit in this idea of a sugar tax? It is
twenty four past one.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Why should I be tax extra when I buy a
can of coke just because some irdiots can't brush their teeth?
That's an interesting point. Yeah, yeah, yep, for.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
You, col.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 11 (17:23):
So there's a wonderful world of the Central Bank and
their view of where we're asked. Christine Horsby, acting Reserve
Bank Governor's back with us, and.

Speaker 12 (17:28):
It's really been the economy stalling over this Q two
that's revised down, and that's what we're responding to.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
The Q two.

Speaker 11 (17:35):
A lot of people saw it coming, and we're yelling
and you didn't. How come you didn't see it?

Speaker 12 (17:39):
Well, we saw some of that come through in the
early phase and we indicated that there was some signs
the essence. Then there's been even more signed till we've
got more confidence that we can lower rates and we
can lower them very quickly.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, but you should have done that already.

Speaker 13 (17:52):
We just look forward from where we are is all
we can do.

Speaker 12 (17:55):
We play the ball in front of us.

Speaker 11 (17:57):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk z.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
B very good afternoons.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Here, it's twenty seven past one, and we're talking about
the dental associations to tank sugar sugary drinks and they
have better labeling as part of their Oral Health row
map to sort out the oral health crisis. That's their words.
What do you say, oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighties to number to call.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
The six is high? Guys, have you ever noticed that
when the media interviews people in the US say they
all seem to have great, white and straight teeth when
compared to us in the UK. What are they doing right?
Surely Americans drink as much coke as we do, Britt.
That's a good point Americans. You know, when you've been
in America, people have coke with their breakfast. You see that.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
They love it.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
You didn't even see that in Las Vegas.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Yeah, and they've got pearly whites, no doubt about it.
They love flossing though, don't they have the big flosses?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah? I mean, do school still be interested to know
one hundred and eighteen eighty nineteen nine two if you
notice school still handing out toothbrushes and toothpastes like they
used to when I was at school. I mean, if
you really wanted to make sure that everyone brushed their
teeth and got into the habit of it, maybe you
make it them. I mean, this is once again, it's
treating the entire population like their children and need to

(19:06):
have every part of their their lives done for them
next thing. You know, you le have people having to
follow people into the bathroom to sort out their problem.
But you know, just brushing teeth at the start of
the day, you know, everyone go into the bathroom and
brush your teeth and then we'll start the class.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah, but remember the old time.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
I mean, maybe they've still got school nurses, maybe they
brought them back from memory, but that was I don't
know whether I needed to be told to brush my teeth.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
I think I did at that age.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
I needed the nurse to say, Tyler, the study of
your teeth are disgusting.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Sort it out. Here's a tooth brush for you. I've got.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
I'm just going to send a note home to your
mum and dad to make you sure that you brushed
your teeth morning and night.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
But I was a kid, to be fair.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, well, you know what, I was very different. My
dental nurse used to look at my teeth and marvel,
those are the best teeth I've ever seen in twenty
five years in the business.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
I need to speak to that nurse.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Beautiful teeth.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Direct quote.

Speaker 9 (20:06):
Oh yep, ready, your voice down. Your voice sounds different
than what you think it does, doesn't it. When you're
listening to yourself him listen. Yeah, you can't just stop
a coke. You can't stop a lemonade. You know you

(20:26):
You've got to I'm going to get a sugary text.
Let's get McDonald's. And they put sugar in the breed,
they put you know, look where do you stop? And
And like you say, I brush my teeth morning and night.
I deal with people, and and at night time I
have to deal with my missus. And also I was

(20:49):
raised to brush my teeth. Why don't we go back
to parenting and teaching kids to do the same.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just that one thing that sorry, this
is one thing that one thing that rings with me
is and this is I've been a smoker since I
was seven years old, and the taxes have gone on
that to try and stoper smoking or to try and
cover these costs.

Speaker 9 (21:16):
And what I've found come now at I'm now at
three hundred bucks a week and I spend on cigarettes.
I smoke fifty grand, two fifty grand packets of cigarettes
a week, one hundred and fifty douck for put me
fifty grand packs. I gave up three months. I in

(21:39):
that three months realized that I was living the most
miserable life I had ever lived, and I come to
the conclusion that I'm going to either die happy or miserable.
So I in fact a smoking and I am and
I'm finding happiness. And that both my grandparents smoked from

(21:59):
about the age of fourteen fifty and they died in
the ages of around eighty eight. Yes, so I'll be
happy with that sort of innings. All that that's doing
to me is just writting me off. It hasn't deturred me.
And and I'll be that. I'll be that stubborn but
the ground fellow that you put it to a thousand bucks,

(22:22):
you know, I'll go and get load like all the
people above, my smokes off me.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Blumbing a smoke is a much more serious thing nowadays,
isn't it. Thought I thought I thought you were going
to say, I'm going to be one of those people
that's smoking through a hole in my throat when they
have to put the tracking off it again.

Speaker 9 (22:39):
Yeah, listen, listen, hey, like I said about you know,
dying happy, and I don't just brush his heat. You know,
I have something big for others for a start, and
have respect for you. Miss are you you kissing that night.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, you're on the hard core smokers toothpaste. What is
that that ferm that doesn't really smokers?

Speaker 12 (23:04):
The resky?

Speaker 9 (23:04):
I can taste it?

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Did that?

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (23:06):
I have, I don't to. I'm on the Blues now,
not on the port rules and the and the drums.
I'm now in the pack drive Blue. So I've done
mind myself a favor, and I'm having filters now.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
I'm just going to say you're filtering now.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
They're going without filters.

Speaker 9 (23:25):
Far cigarettes and bush cigarettes.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
There's no excuse on the filters, mate, They're only about
threty scenes for a beggar two honey.

Speaker 9 (23:34):
No, hey, it's that's even going up now, Tyler, Yeah,
it's it's it's a case that you know, Sugar, I've
tried the zeros coke zeros to try and you know, yeah,
I've tried the bakes. I mean, what a joke that was.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, question we go on. One question for you, Rob.
How come you've got the discipline to brush your teeth
every day and you're even on the special smokers toothpaste,
but you you can't kick the kick the SIGs.

Speaker 12 (24:06):
You know.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
It's interesting different types of discipline.

Speaker 9 (24:09):
I love my kettles and kisses at night time, and
she doesn't give them to me if I've got bad bread.
Neither does a kid's one from the dogs. The dog
you give me a kiss in the kettle.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah, but is a powerful motivator, no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Thanks being. It's all about sticks and carrots, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Absolutely? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. We got headlines with Wendy coming up.
But can you get your views on the idea of
a sugar tax on drinks? Is it gonna be worthwhile
to change the oral health crisis in New Zealand?

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Or is it just treating us like babies? Can you
get your thoughts? It's twenty six to two.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Well it's this Texas says Hey, Matt and Tyler. Instead
of fixing it by taxing sugar water, they just subsidized
toothpaste and toothbrushes. That's from Ellen.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
So that's now you're talking.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
That's the carrot um. Yeah, it's still not going to
pay people, make people do it.

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Now back to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Thank you very much Wendy and we are talking about
the Dental Association's push for a text or attacks on
sugary drink and also better labeling. Good idea or is
it just treating us like a bunch of babies? Oh eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to call
the sixes.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
I brush twice a day, don't drink fizzy or much
sugary items, floss mouth washed daily, Yet have just spent
four K on my teeth with more work needed to
be done, which I'll head to Thailand for some people
just have bad genes. I mean, that's such a good
point that the genes play such a massive role in
the health of your teeth. Although I agree with Matt

(26:38):
about muppets, but maybe we do need to be treated
as children. You've seen that, You've seen the state of
public toilets. People clearly can't wipe their butts, so the
technical aspects of teeth brushing is a step too far.
We are doomed. See I've got a theory on the
discussing state of public toilets. I think it's not accidents.
I think people soil them on purpose, much like a

(27:01):
dog leaves, you know, wheeze on a tree to mark
their territory. I mean, there's no way that the bathroom
that bars and public toilets can be that way. Even
downstairs that enzed me. There's the bathrooms down there. Chapers
Gate two and Game three get destroyed daily down there.
An absolute state, absolute state, and there's no way that

(27:23):
there's people out there that just can't can get into
this building but can't operate a.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Was what did you call them? We want to go
fecal terrorists? And I think that sums them up.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
I mean, what kind of insane person would mark their
territory with a bit of fecal terrorism? I mean clearly,
I mean their teeth must be a sorry state as well.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Actually, yeah, well let's not go this. I guarantee fecal terrorists.
I reckon someone needs to do a study and compare
the teeth of fecal terrorists compared to people that can
use the bathroom properly, or choose to use the bathroom properly.
I reckon us people that use the bathroom's respect would
have much whiter and cleaner teeth. Guys, not to go
old Jack Reacher on you, it's the brushing that's important

(28:06):
mint for smell between Z zero to sixteen small fluorid
tab You will you, you will do this? That's taking them.
There were skills. Okay, there you go. Okay, Maybe the
Dentist Association should encourage dentists to reduce their prices, making
them more affordable. Then people might be able to afford
an appointment. Maybe it's just the era I live in,
but waiting lists for an appointment are very long. Yeah,

(28:26):
but I mean that's not the problem. That's the that
those kind of going to the dentists. That's the bloody
ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. We're talking about
people just slamming fizzy drinks their whole life and not
brushing their teeth. Welcome the show, Kevin, Yeah.

Speaker 14 (28:40):
Last little actually very enjoyable and talking teeth and stuff
until you bought their topic a bit toilets.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Great, it was out of order. It was out of order.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Yeah, anyway, I'll make you go to sweat.

Speaker 14 (28:58):
I'm going to swe.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
We deserve it. I shouldn't have read that text. Now,
we didn't need to take it to the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
That's on us.

Speaker 14 (29:08):
That's on people even somewhere and stuff and all that
sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, we needed to stay at the sink, and we
need to stay at the sink with the toothbrush, and
instead we went over into the over to the toilet.
So we won't do that anymore, Kevin.

Speaker 14 (29:18):
But we went over the dark side.

Speaker 9 (29:21):
So that was what rush.

Speaker 14 (29:24):
Anyway, that's the secret to the secret about your teeth.
Everything is a lot of what's to do with mental health,
a lot of what to do with the best thing
they could ever have was I had grown up was
dental nurses at school. Yes, yeah, and I'm Wakefield and
Nelson and what they do a lot of places whund

(29:45):
they had big buses come around they do dental they
park up for a two or three days. Yeah. Have
you seen those?

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah? I have, Yeah, I think I believe I have. Yeah.

Speaker 14 (29:56):
Yeah, yeah, he goes in Awkland.

Speaker 15 (29:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (30:00):
Oh okay, Well you're probably well you probably you probably
all your buses are broken down, aren't there anyway?

Speaker 2 (30:06):
A lot of them. Yeah, it's a lot of them
are broken down on this side. Broken glass fire.

Speaker 14 (30:17):
The nothing in every school and overrew up in the
seventies and eighties at school and everyone had a dentist
at school or did you just go out of the
classroom and go the dentess boom, and everything.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Was lovely, didn't They fell every didn't They fell every
natural fisher in your teeth as it wasn't. There was
sort of a felling.

Speaker 14 (30:36):
I reckon they were I reckon. They were all cranees
and all they did was just draw holes in your
teeth to learn. Because just when I was older, he said,
well you got going, you wod he goes because we
never hit as he directs or anything like that. And
now I look back at it because now they're ripping
the wall out and just put white fallings in, you know,

(30:58):
so your plan?

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, yeah, what was that stuff? When they putting? They
were using mercury as well, weren't they back in the
day in New Zealand and that the dentalness was what
do they call it? Quicksil? What were they using mercury?

Speaker 4 (31:12):
They did go crazy with the fillings. I think it
was just an excuse to checking a filling to make
their day a bit more interesting.

Speaker 14 (31:18):
Well, we had the sattle with those old drills with
the belt driven things like the belt drive ones and
there like grinders or anything like that. They used to
put let the straps on your hands and tie you
into the seats, you know, terrible. So here you go
before I before I leave the other goodwinners or they're

(31:42):
talking about sugary texts and all drunks and stuff. Why
can't we just get mister Luxon to do a Donald
Trump and put mess of piffs on American Coca cola
and physicric products. Just put two terrace. Don't put texts
on New Zealand. Don't don't text the tech power in
New Zealand. He texts the person that's making the drunks overseas.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, I'll be interesting to know how much it comes
in directly from overseas and how much is bottled in
New Zealand. You know it we make it here.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Well, I think I'm pretty sure there.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Is bottling in New Zealand. I think so. I mean,
obviously a lot of the profits go back to America.

Speaker 14 (32:23):
I'm just going shut them down, just shut barricade them. Well,
the DOORSMP, a.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Bunch of the pup, a bunch of quicksilver in there.

Speaker 14 (32:37):
Yeah, welcome up with dental flos.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
These are smart ideas. They're around a need that kind
of common sense thinking out there in the community.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, just shut them down. Shut them down, Kevin, thank
you very much.

Speaker 12 (32:51):
Joe.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call,
it is, according to love to get your thoughts about
this idea of a sugar tacks on drinks, Coca Cola, soda,
et cetera. Is it a good idea?

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Can it work if some of that money goes back
into funding subsidized dental care? Love to hear your thoughts.
And if you've recently been to a dean, just how
much did it cost you? I eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number of call.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
This business is Amalgam fillings is what they were called.
That's what Donna says. So they were that? Were they
the mercury ones?

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Because certainly on they had to rip back out as.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
We know from we know mercury's very bad for you,
as certainly is Marie Curi down, didn't it?

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah? It is. It's quartered to to.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Madd Heath Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
It'd be for a good afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
We're talking about the Dental Association's Oral Health Row map.
One of the big recommendations or calls is for a
sugar tax on fizzy.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
What do you say, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Coca Cola made in Wellington. There's two trucks and trailers
running twenty four to seven delivering sugary drinks from Chelsea
Sugar Factory.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Francis used to be a dentalness. This is correct.

Speaker 15 (34:01):
I was just bringing up to say we did a
fantastic job looking after the children's peace those years ago.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Yes, you did. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
You didn't fill too many holes that didn't need to
be filled.

Speaker 15 (34:14):
Frances, No, I didn't do that. I promise you I
don't do that.

Speaker 16 (34:20):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
So if we talk before, I was talking about amalgam fillings.
So they do have mercury in them, don't they. They've
got they've got mixture of metals. They've got primarily silver,
they've got tin, they've got copper, they got mercury. But
now the mercury is bound so it's it doesn't get
into your system. Is that right? So it's safe.

Speaker 15 (34:37):
Yeah, Well we would mix them up in a little
water and pestel. I'm quite a bit older, so yeah,
but now they don't do that, They don't handle it
at all. But yes, we did. We did handle the Yeah,
the mercury. Well, we didn't try and handle.

Speaker 14 (34:54):
It, but we did.

Speaker 15 (34:55):
Yeah, it did come in contact with us.

Speaker 16 (34:58):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Now, my mom told me when she was a kid
that her dentleness used to give it to mercury because
the way it reacts with light and with each other,
that they used to give it to kid to play with,
and they called it quicksilver. Is that is that true?
I mean, my mum wouldn't lie.

Speaker 15 (35:12):
But no, she wouldn't lie. And and I remember that
as a child, we used to go and my friend's
mother was a dental nurse, and we used to go
and visit her, and she'd put it in a little
boo box which was part of our equipment, and we'd
watch it float around and then join together. You're correct,
but I just do that. In my time, we you know,

(35:34):
we were aware of the health risks of the mercury.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, because mercury poisoning is a serious thing, isn't it.
I'm just looking here, And it can cause muscle weakness,
poor coordination, numbness in the hands and feet, skin rashes, anxiety,
memory problems, trouble speaking, trouble hearing, trouble seeing. Sounds quite
serious at high levels. But but but the stuff in
your feelings is bonded, it's you know, so it's not

(36:01):
it's never going to be causing a problem.

Speaker 14 (36:04):
It's not.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
So what was what was the process when you are
dental news Francis When a kid came in and it
was a scheduled appointment and you could see they needed
a filling, did you have to go through that process
of letting their parents know or could you just get
stuck in pretty quickly?

Speaker 3 (36:19):
What was the situation?

Speaker 15 (36:21):
Well, in my time, we were able to repair those
you know, those fillings. If there was extensive work, we
would definitely be contacting Paris and letting them know. Yeah,
but a lot of our work was actually we did.
We used to go into the classroom and spend time
in the class doing dental health lessons and things like that.

(36:45):
I wasn't at my time, there wasn't huge pressure on
treating the children. We saw the children every six months.
We would do the dental health lessons and see the
little children before they went to school, see them and
introduce them to you know, God, or or hygiene. I
think that's one of the keys, is Yeah, looking after

(37:10):
after your aural hygiene.

Speaker 14 (37:11):
That's so important.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Thank you so much for your call. Francis. Hey, do
you know I just found out because I was just thinking,
you know, like the famous chemist I guess you called
him Marie Curry. So I always thought she died from
mercury poisoning, and I thought it was hugely She was
the first woman to win a Nobel Prize, and she
won it twice actually for her field. But I always
thought it was ironic that she died of mercury poison poisoning.

(37:35):
But no, disappointingly, she died from exposure to radiation in
the course of her scientific research.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Well that's still pretty fall on.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Now it's full on that she died that way, absolutely,
but I always thought it was I don't know why
I thought she died. Her name was Marie Curry and
she died of mercury poisoning. I had that one wrong.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Very good ride back, very shortly.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
It's eight to two, Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your
calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad
Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
News DOGSB, News DOGSB.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
It is five too and we are talking about a
tax on fizzy drinks. The Dental Associations has been calling
for it. Plenty of tacks coming through on this one.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Hi, they introduced sugar tacks in Britain and noticed to
drop and tooth decay. So I think it's a good
idea for dental health. Meg, Well, maybe it's a good
idea for dental health. But their mental ramifications and the
mental health ratifications of constantly telling the population of a
country that they're babies, that they're not even good enough,
and they're not even competent enough to look after their teeth.
I think I think that that can start to get
to people. You're useless, you can't even doing anything. Next thing,

(38:39):
you know, we're having to go into the bathroom with
them with some tpee. Your Mum's right. We had all
mercury fillings back then and would sit in the waiting
room playing with a blob of mercury that would run
on your hands back and forth likeily. My kids now
get the white fillings and a little bumblebee made out
of a sponge from the dental nurse love Sam Hill.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
What a time, What a time Coca.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Has made in Auckland on come it is carbon road? Yeah,
I knew that. That nice text has said that. You know
that the Coca has made here. So putting a Trump
like tariff on on wouldn't work because we're making it here.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Yeah, but shutting it down might, as Kevin wanted to do.
Just shut it down, weld the doors together. This one
sugary text is a waste of time. Let's educate people.
Do we tax heavily sugar fruit juice? No, we don't.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
It is the thin edge of the wedge, right right,
we don't. Yeah, good discussion that one.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
Thank you very much to everyone who phoned and called
on that one, because coming up next we've got Ben
O'Keeffe on the program World renowned reef. But we want
to have a chat about how we treat referees in
this country.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Do we need to do better?

Speaker 9 (39:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I think we need to treat them like heroes instead
of villian villains, so we get more of them out
there on the weekends officiating the games our kids play.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten to eighty is the
number to call love to hear your thoughts about how
we treat referees in New Zealand. But Ben O'Keefe will
be joining us live in about five minutes. New Sport
and weather on its way. Listening to Matt and Tyler,
I hope you're having a great afternoon.

Speaker 17 (40:11):
Little.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 12 (40:21):
It be.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Your company as always, So do we have an issue
with the way that we treat referees in New Zealand.
It was a cool story in The Herald yesterday. It
was part of Shane Curry's Great New Zealand road trip
where Shane is traveling around the country taking the temperature
of the mood of the nation. He's chatting to kiwis
from all walks of life, including some of our biggest achievers,
and one of those people was world renowned rugby referee

(40:50):
Ben O'Keeffe, And it was just great to actually see
one of our greats, one of our best referees, one
of the best referees in the world, herod and celebrated
for his amazing success and the work that he's done.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Matt, Yeah, absolutely, I mean, as I keep saying, you know,
referees are so important, you know, is really important. Sport
is important for young people. Sport is actually important for
people of every age, but especially Rugby union is a
sport that absolutely needs officiating. It has an incredibly long,
complicated rule book. You know, you compare the rule book

(41:24):
of ropy union to soccer football, so much more complicated,
and it needs officiators out there. So if sport is
going to do the good in the community, then we
need refs at all levels. And to get refs at
all levels, we need to treat them well so people
want to get into it and want to devote that
much of their life to the job. So if we're
always just abusing refs on the couch in front of

(41:45):
our kids or on social media or screaming them from
the sideline at school level games or higher, then we're
really what you're doing is in my belief, undercutting the game,
and you're undercutting the ability of the game to go
forward if you keep doing that. So I think it's
something that's worth discussion discussing. So that was great to

(42:07):
see Curry's article. We're heroing a referee as opposed to
villainizing one.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Absolutely, I wait under an eighty ten eighty Really keen
to have a chat with you on this one. If
you're in the refereeing game. Do we have a problem
here in New Zealand with the way that we treat
reefs and the abuse that gets thrown out at the
sidelines and often online. Really keen to to have this discussion.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. If we
do have an issue, how do we change that around?

(42:33):
As you were saying, Matt starts at home. If you're
screaming at the Italian we've all been guilty of there,
well most of us anyway. Is that the thing that
needs to stop and be you know, it starts with
what the children are seeing you yelling at the at
the screen. That's probably a big part of it, right, Well,
I certainly saw my old man scream at the TV
a lot.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yeah. Well, I mean it's understandable, you know, because if
you're really passionate about a game and you feel like
a referee is made a mistake. I mean, let's be honest,
most of the time people are screaming at the TV,
it's that they don't know the rule specially, I mean,
how many key we actually have their head completely around
the breakdown laws be I'd be interested the amount of
people that are screaming, you know, especially on sideline. They're
sixty meters back on a thirty three degree angle and

(43:11):
they're screaming at the ref for getting it wrong. But
so I get the passion because we care about it
and it's a and it's a part of the game
that we can focus our we focus our anger on
because it seems to affect us badly. But I don't know,
I don't know if it's a good way to go
forward if we if we do that, especially in front
of the kids, you know.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Yeah, Oh, eight hundred eighty, ten eighty is the number
to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number.
There's going to be a great discussion. But coming up
after the break, we are going to chat with Ben O'Keeffe,
world renowned rugby referee, which we're very much looking forward to.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
It is ten pass two.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Stop the blame because no ref, no game, says this.
Texter as a slogan nicely said, yeah, jump on that.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons,
call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk sai'd
be for.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
A good afternoon. It is twelve past two. Well.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Ben o'keef is New Zealand's most experienced rugby union referee,
having officiated a record breaking two hundred and thirty four
first class games. He is yeah incredible record. He is
the first New Zealand official to referee fifty international Test
matches and is the only New Zealand referee to have
been in the middle for more than one hundred Super
Rugby games. And he joins us on the line. Now, Ben,

(44:25):
get out of you guys.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Hey, Matt, Hey Tyler, how are you very good? Thanks
for talking to us. You're a bit of a heart
throb as well. Actually I've watched a few games and
you've very popular with the ladies, so you know, do
with that as you will. Hey, how do you raise
rise through the ranks to become an international referee? How
does it start and how do you get there to
the very top?

Speaker 18 (44:48):
Well, it was a little bit of luck and a
little bit of hard work involved. It's very similar to players.
I think in any sport, you obviously fall in love
with the sport that you're involved in. And for me,
I played rugby and I was younger, I grew up
at went to Mobile Boys and you know, love throwing
the footy round. But when I went to university and
guys sort of wanted to be all back, sort of
their skills took over, and I just decided I wanted

(45:11):
to stay involved in the game, and I just keep referring.
So and you go through the levels of club rugby juniors, seniors,
bit of NPC, and then you know, if you're lucky
enough and you know you get on the right track,
you can be given contracts to do do super rugbi
in international games. So I sort of you sort of
just follow that player path and you're very very grateful
to do it.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
So how many reps, you know, how many games you
have to do before you get get tapped or is
it just the people out there looking for referee talent?

Speaker 19 (45:40):
Yes, so there's always this coaches assessors.

Speaker 18 (45:42):
Obviously a lot of feedback from from coaches of games
and teams as well. So I've got a pretty good
reputation down at Otago referring some good foot down there,
and luckily I was out of you know, do my
time down there, a bit of learning and then obviously
got pushed up to the high ranks, which was which
I'm very fortunate for.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Do you love it? And what are the best parts?
If you do, look, I absolutely love it.

Speaker 18 (46:05):
I love I love the challenge of hearing for a
Test match and you know, the Friday night at seven
thirty for a Saturday game, not knowing what the next
day is going to bring, but knowing that, Look, I've
prepared as much as I can. It's going to be great.
Let's go out there. I love the anthems. I love
just before I blow the whistle. There's always a really
good stadium engine that I've got going on in the
stadium at the time. I'm in the middle of the

(46:26):
field and I'm ready to go in, and I love that.
And I also love the aftermath. I think, you know,
reflecting on a game that's gone well is an amazing feeling,
and having you know, friends in the stadium watching it
is pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
I'm getting goosebumps here and you say that, Ben, wait,
do you have it? Sorry you go, Matt.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I was just going to say, what are the tough parts?
Then you know those are the great parts. What are
the tough parts been?

Speaker 20 (46:46):
Well?

Speaker 18 (46:46):
I think one of the tough thing is that like
my personality, like I want to be good, I want
to be perfect, and it's just a really hard job.

Speaker 19 (46:54):
And it is my job.

Speaker 18 (46:55):
It's a really hard job to actually do well and
constantly because like I'm obviously constantly reviewing my games. We've
got coaches review and my game's assess review of my games,
and then you feel like, you know, the public reviews
of your games as well, So it's really hard to and
you can never actually get everyone sort of accepting that
you've done a good job.

Speaker 19 (47:10):
So that's a big challenge.

Speaker 18 (47:12):
I think the challenge now that we're seeing a lot
of them we've seen in the media too, is some
of probably the abuse is happening on the sidelines, not
just in international games. It's certainly just in the public
and the community games we have, and then extends out
to social media as well, which I think is a
big problem in every sport.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Their pressure that you undoubtedly feel as a referee, particularly
at the higher levels, ben I take it there, your
fellow referees, other colleagues feel that pressure as well.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
How do you deal with.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
That, particularly in the modern age where you are seeing
that feedback and abuse come out.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
You're not just from the sidelines, but online, how.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Do you know when you get home after a big
game like that, how do you process that stuff?

Speaker 19 (47:51):
It is difficult.

Speaker 18 (47:52):
I think a lot of the pressure and we all
do feel the same, you know, we want to do
a good job. So the way I deal with a
lot of pressure early on in the week is to
prepare really well. So if I prepare really well for
a game, so physically, mentally, and on the teams, and
then I know I'm confident, so I can go in
the game knowing that, look, I've done all I can.
I'm going to do a good job. Even then you
can make some mistakes, so I do a good review

(48:12):
after the game, and it's all about learning. So that's
that's kind of the learning cycle I do. So we
can week out, I'm getting better. I try and close
it there. But certainly some of the stuff that you
see in the media, you know, there's only so much
you can try and ignore it, and I really do.
I try not to read the headlines or even the
comments when games don't go well. I even have to

(48:33):
do that when the games do go well, because you know,
you can't just be searching for all the good things too,
So it's it's difficult, it's been taking it's taken a
lot of years probably just to be able to get
used to it a lot better. So for someone on
myself okay, been through a lot of it, that's a
little bit easier to deal with. But I do feel
for a lot of younger referees, not just in rugby
but all sports who actually who aren't immune to this

(48:55):
yet and they're going through it now at community levels,
but you know also starting in the NBC, sup BROGI
international levels.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Do you think it's getting worse that that level of
abuse that that referees get because you know, as I
was saying in the intro to this, if we don't
have refs, then there's no game. You know, there's no riff,
there's no game. So if it's getting worse out of there,
that that's not good for rugby as a whole.

Speaker 18 (49:18):
I think we're just adapting to what everyone's getting used
to over the last or the decade. With you know,
access to social media, access to things like fantasy rugula,
people are actually, you know, in a good way, getting
involved in sports a lot more online.

Speaker 19 (49:31):
You know, it's it's making it.

Speaker 18 (49:32):
More accessible to people globally, and that's what I love,
you know, people who are a motive, who are passionate, who.

Speaker 19 (49:39):
Love the game.

Speaker 18 (49:39):
That's that's exactly what we want to try and bring
up because it is an entertainment sport. So I think
in some ways we're sort of trying to catch up
with that in a way of how okay, we've got
access to all this great media around sport, but how
do we how to just temper it to make sure
we protect our referees Because as I heard you guys
saying before that, you know, it's all very well doing

(50:01):
it on the TV and yelling at a player or
yelling at a referee, but you know, as soon as
that starts transcending down to the fields in the community levels,
I think that's where it's quite quite poor.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
So do you think some work could be done around
just our culture of blaming the red? Is there some
is there some kind of education that could get out there,
some kind of information that people know. I mean, it's
great you you being in the public eye and doing
the story with Shane Carrion, Thanks for talking to us today,
because then you actually humanize the referee rather than just
being the focus of people's anger because their team isn't

(50:34):
doing as well as they want. If you see what
I mean, you think there's if you've thought about how
how the culture could be changed, yeah.

Speaker 19 (50:40):
I think there's definitely there needs to be a culture change,
not just in New Zealand.

Speaker 18 (50:43):
This is a global problem and not just in rugby.
So it's all sports, isn't it. So I'm big one
trying to use my position to just make people more aware.
I know there's companies like or campaigns an Auckland like Active.
You love the games that the campaigns try and actually make,
you know, people not just support referees, but support you know,
kids and players, because you're right, if we don't have

(51:05):
if we don't have referees, we don't have the game.
But also if we don't have kids and join the
game as well, we don't have the game. Eve So
there's definitely a cultural thing. I think we're seeing a
lot more like your stories in the media because there
is more awareness of it. So I think in a
roundab ways, right, that is that is a good thing.
So people are talking about it more. There are headlines
more because people are saying, actually, well, this isn't right,

(51:25):
you know, there's we can. We can love the game,
we can support the game, but I think it does
cross the line when you know we're trying to you know, blame,
blame referees for it, and especially if we're not willing
to give it a go.

Speaker 19 (51:35):
So I think that's it's.

Speaker 18 (51:36):
A tough job and a lot of volunteers out there
do it because they love the game too, So I
just think we should we should always take that into
the can as well.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah, do you do you ever blame the ref when
you're watching a game? No?

Speaker 19 (51:48):
No, no, never, never, And I promise you, I say,
because I know what it's like.

Speaker 18 (51:52):
But but i'd also know what it's like, you know,
playing sports where you know you can get a little
bit passionate about, you know, a call that's been made,
so you know there's nothing wrong with that, but it's
just it's just.

Speaker 17 (52:02):
What you do outside of that.

Speaker 18 (52:04):
It's what you do when you know you're sitting on
your phone, you thinking about making a comment on a
on a headline or to someone's personal page. I think
that's when you know, that's where the culture I think
should stopped there. But certainly, you know, we want to
love the it's about knowing with draw the line.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
And did you feel when you're coming up because obviously
now you're you're out on the field, you're you know,
you're at the top of the game. So actually on
the field, your you know, security everywhere, But did you
ever have issues when you were coming up through the
and the and the absolute grassroots of the game where
you felt unsafe, where your you know, your physical safety
was that threat.

Speaker 18 (52:42):
It is interesting like after every Superbiam or test match,
you don't always get security to walk you off the field, right,
but when they do walk you off, you're like, Okay,
they must have been something they're having the game, but
that's always a good look. Yeah, your reviews were being done.
But now look, coming up, I thought, I think we
were quite fortunate. You know, I certainly believe that. You know,

(53:05):
I grew up with as a junior, with senior referees who,
you know, they didn't have social media on their phone,
you know, if they didn't want to read about the game,
they just didn't read the newspaper. So it was almost
like I've been able to bridge that and seeing how
it's changed where now as I've come up, you know,
every every junior referee has access to a phone now
every junior referee. And also I'm in the exposure that

(53:27):
that rugby games get isn't just international anymore.

Speaker 14 (53:30):
You know.

Speaker 18 (53:30):
Club Rugby has you know, social media pages across New
Zealand as well, so there's a lot more access to
comments and to things like that. So I think I
think growing up I was I was quite lucky. But
suming I can because because I've come through so recently
i've been I can actually I'm connected to how bad
it can be right now.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Yeah, what's your thoughts on the technology side of things, Ben?
Do you think that helps it all worth that culture
change that has needed to see that you've got that
technology to rely on or it's always going to come
down to the human element of it and the reef
is there to do the best job they can and
people need to know that even if they do get it.

Speaker 18 (54:09):
I think I think the way that technology use is
used at the moment is pretty good. So we just
need to make sure that we're doing it in a
way that is actually enhancing the game, so it's still
entertaining the game in terms of keeping the speed going,
making it entertaining for people.

Speaker 19 (54:25):
Making sure that we're accurate, but without you know, taking
too long to do it.

Speaker 18 (54:28):
So you know, the fact that we use the TMO now,
the fact that we you know, have slow motion replays,
as long as we getting the decisions right within a
quick timeframe, and I think that's fine. I think, you know,
we're working constantly, as referring teams in the background to
make sure that we're not using, for example, the TMO
just to get everything perfect a good element of not
the game as well. But if we can do it

(54:49):
quickly so that we make the right decision for for example,
the correct driving score, then I think you know, we're
happy with that. There can be the overuse of technology potentially,
and that's potentially I think what we see in maybe
sports overseas, where you know, the games are four or
five hours. I don't think we want that to New
Zealand want a fast game. But if we're wanting that
in New Zealand, we're saying that, look, this is what
we we you don't want that five our game, then

(55:10):
you're going to have an element of there will be
some mistakes and I think we have to understand that
as the public.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Yeah, well tell you what we're talking to Ben a
keith international rugby referee and there's a lot of love
for you coming through on the text machine mate, So
you know, social media can be tough, but and so
can our text machine actually, but there's a lot of
love coming through, so you know, I hope you know
that people appreciate what you do.

Speaker 19 (55:31):
That's awesome. I love you. It's really awesome to hear.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Yeah, been awesome to chat with you. Thank you very
much and hopefully we'll catch.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Up again soon.

Speaker 19 (55:39):
Awesome, guys, thanks very much.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Go well.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
That that is being O'Keefe international rugby referee and a
great man to boot as well.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Can you hear from you?

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty if you're in the
referee situation, if you're on the ground, if you're a parent,
do you think we've got a serious problem here in
New Zealand with the way that we treat referees and
how do we turn that around? Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
The stick says, Can you ask Ben if he feels
the laws of killing the game, i e. The red card,
the red card headclash. One yes, Scot, I just read that.
Then time I'm sorry, mate, I can't be gone now.
Yeah that if I've seen that during the interview, I
would have I promised Scott I would have asked that question.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Thank you, but too slow mate, it is twenty five
nine slow.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Don't blame Scott. Don't blame Scott. He was on time.
I just didn't see it.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Tyler, Okay, Yes, Scotty, you're right mate, You're right. Twenty
five past two.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Okay, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB very.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
Good afternoons you It is twenty seven pass too, and
we're talking about our attitude towards referees and various sports
around the country. Do we need to do better? Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Some great techs coming through on nine two nine two.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Here's one from Jacob Agree with Heath, refe you re
abuse has shouldn't happen. There's a difference in expectation and
accountability between the community and the professional arena community. Reefs
need all the support in the world. The professional refs
in some cases need to lift their game. World rugby
needs to come up with a plan to manage that.
If they admit afterwards and they have that they got
it wrong, there should be consequences. Fill I mean what

(57:10):
kind of consequences.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Yeah, it's easy to say there should be consequences.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
What are paddling? I agree with the sentiments about reefs
and umpires, but there's also a lot the Reefs and
Umpires Association can take on board. At all levels. There
should be training. Players at high and elite levels are
training three to seven days a week and the reefs
umpires should be doing the same to up to up
the skill and the Reef's Association be the catalyst for this.
Well you know at a community level, at a lower level,

(57:37):
they've also got to have jobs and feed their kids.
You know, I know that's not happening well enough in hockey.
Grassroots is a different kettle of fish. Of course, there
should be zero abuse at all levels, but there needs
to be something visual that the refs are being trained
and are reviewed and learning. There is that might help
happen in the professional elite level, but it needs to

(57:57):
be This is a novel, It needs to be done
at all levels. We can't have our sport without them
and spectators need to be better, but the association that
can lead the culture change by being seen to upskill
though under the banner of referee, there you go.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
Good text and this one says the thing about rugby
is that if you are a referee there is already
a level of respect there that few other sports adhere
to look at the disrespects soccer referees have to deal
with from players as one example.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Well, it's totally different. It's a totally different kind of
officiating in rugby because often you're telling people how to
play the game, use it, use it, back out of there.
You know. It's a much more hands on form of
of officiating a game in rugby union. It's different from
any any other sport in that regard.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Yeah, oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Love to hear your thoughts on this one.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
If you're in the referee game at the grassroots level
or at the more elite level, waite hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
How do we turn it around? And as spectators, as parents,
what are you seeing on the sidelines? Love to have
a chat with you. Nine two ninety two is the
text number we've got headlines coming up with ray Lean
you're listening to Matt and Tyler back very shortly.

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Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Thank you very much, Wendy. It is twenty seven to
three now in studio. It's a privilege to be joined
by Rob Harmon. He is the president of the Auckland
Rugby Referees Association and is with us live.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Get a Rob men Tyler, how are you very good?
So you know you what level of referees are does
the Auckland Rugby Referees Association oversea?

Speaker 21 (01:00:40):
So we take care of all rugby within our provincial unions.
So there are twenty six twenty seven provincial unions throughout
New Zealand.

Speaker 17 (01:00:49):
So for Auckland in particular, we're.

Speaker 21 (01:00:51):
Basically from Manekau in the south all up through central
Auckland and out towards sort of Henderson Way.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Right yeah, But like I mean what levels.

Speaker 21 (01:01:02):
We do everything from school boys right up to premiere
grade and we and then from the pathway from there
goes into a regional basis and our referees will referee
anywhere from sort of the top I guess the top
third of the North Island.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
So basically all officiating comes through you guys to a
certain extent correct that's in rugby union. And so if
you if you're a if you're a you know, a
person that loves rugby and andy and you're thinking, well,
I want to get into being a referee, how do
you go about that? Who do you who do you
approach and how do you follow that path?

Speaker 21 (01:01:40):
It's it's largely up to the to the to the
person obviously to take the action. There's in all the
pus around New Zealand there is either a referees association.

Speaker 17 (01:01:51):
Or the rugby Union.

Speaker 21 (01:01:52):
The local rugby union themselves look after the referees, so
it's often a case of contacting them first, either via
socials or give them a call or an email. But
it can be just as easy to rock up on
a Saturday and tap someone on the on the back
who's got a uniform on and and say how do
I get on with it?

Speaker 9 (01:02:13):
Right?

Speaker 17 (01:02:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Yeah? And so if you want to be a referee,
you know people talk about training, right, so there's a
lot to it. You know you no, no, you need
to obviously know the rule book off by heart, right,
but you also know you have to know where to
stand at a certain point you know you have to
run back for the conversion. There's a whole lot of
refereeing skills in there that you know. If you're just
playing the game, you don't you know, the referee alay

(01:02:34):
seems to be in the right place, but you don't
know that stuff. So is there a training program once
you get into the into the path.

Speaker 21 (01:02:41):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean I would struggle to think that
any of you referee knows the law book one hundred percent,
to be perfectly honest. We try our best, but no, look,
there are definitely training you know, training avenues available, of
course there are.

Speaker 17 (01:02:57):
Typically if you're a first year or.

Speaker 21 (01:02:59):
A novice referee, you get put in a group with
your peers. In Auckland, we have meetings every Monday night
six months year to try and up school our new
members and also the rest of the referee and cohort.
If you're a first year referee, you can expect to
be assistant referee or touch judging pretty early on in

(01:03:21):
the piece, which is a nice easy way to get involved.
Or at the moment we're heading into seven season as well,
so that's that's also a light introduction to the to
the sport.

Speaker 17 (01:03:32):
In the vocation and then.

Speaker 21 (01:03:36):
Once you have there's there's not really any tests or
anything to pass in order to get onto the field.
It's just you know when you're ready, you're ready, and
hope you're ready sooner rather than later, and out you go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Do you what level do you have to reach before
you get paid?

Speaker 21 (01:03:53):
You have to be a So some French reunions in
New Zealand will pay your your mileage and in bits
and pieces like that. But to actually be be paid
to referee, you're pretty much an MPC referee, right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
So you know when someone is getting angry at the
sideline at a referee in rugby, that person is there,
you know, of their own volition, out of the goodness
of their heart, because they believe in the game. And
so you're you're not you're not abusing someone that's getting
rich off the back of this.

Speaker 20 (01:04:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:04:26):
Correct, In Auckland we actually pay a subscription, so we
pay fifty dollars to referee, so which isn't the similar
to other places around around New Zealand. So yeah, so
other sports in New Zealand you know, will pay will
pay a match payment of some sort.

Speaker 17 (01:04:44):
But you're very really in rugby union.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
And what's the situation now, Rob when you look at
the spectators on the sideline, do you think that abuse
or anger is getting worse or there are more of
those flare ups that we're seen in particular grassroots games.

Speaker 21 (01:05:01):
It's hard to say it's I think it's it's it's
it's regional. I think there's there's an undertone of that
sort of stuff has always been there. I'm fortunate I've
refereed for over twenty years. I've I've only had one
or two sort of instances where I can think to myself, yeah,
that was actually quite bad, not physical or anything, but

(01:05:23):
just ones that stick in the in the back of
my mind. But I think there's a bunch of reasons
that are completely outside of rugby's control which is creating
this behavior. So it's it's hard to it's hard for
for for me as a as a referee up running
out there on a sellay or my provincial union and

(01:05:43):
my Referee Association, or New Zealand Rugby for that matter,
to to actually, you know, do something that's really tangible
that's going to stomp it that once and for all.

Speaker 17 (01:05:54):
It's it's an impossibility.

Speaker 21 (01:05:55):
Really, it's I think it's it's unfortunately, it's just something
that we need to minimize as much as we can do.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
You any you know, do you look into conflict management training,
how to diffuse situations or any Is that something that
you guys discussed in your in your Monday weekend.

Speaker 17 (01:06:09):
Yeah, absolutely, Look, we we do.

Speaker 21 (01:06:11):
We do a lot of work on the management of
the game. So how to diffuse situations, how to talk
to players in particular instances, what to do when you know,
if you if you lose control of games. You know,
sometimes sometimes that does happen.

Speaker 17 (01:06:29):
Hopefully it doesn't, so and and and.

Speaker 21 (01:06:33):
Some of the top guys looking at your body language
and and and and other things like that. So yeah, yeah,
it is available to us, definitely. Obviously we're just waiting
on the responses from the from the players to to
be able to act in it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
Right, there's a teachs tier from muzz it sees get
a rob. Is there a fitness teast to be a ref.

Speaker 21 (01:06:54):
There is, but there's but not at not at the
lower grade. So the New Zealand Rugby brought out a
new Community Rugby framework this year and it's in what
the basis of that was. It was to standardize levels
of referee capability across New Zealand. So if you want

(01:07:17):
to be basically a Premiere club referee or a verse
fifteen schools referee or higher, you do need to do
a fitness test and pass it in a reasonable way, because.

Speaker 17 (01:07:28):
How many you do?

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Like what you must do nine ten k's in the game,
would you?

Speaker 21 (01:07:32):
Uh no, it's probably a bit less than that. Yeah,
so I should have said more, should than I But yeah,
I think between you know, probably between six seven k's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Is that's up there. But they're also shuttles, right, you know,
so you know, like as I was saying before, when
you've got to sprint over for the conversion, that you've
got to get there at pace, don't.

Speaker 21 (01:07:50):
You hundred percent if anyone wants, If anyone out there
wants to give it a go, it's called the Bronco test,
So you can readily available on. All you need is
four cones and sixty meters in your way.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Well what struck me when I did this event with you?
Where was that was that last Saturday? No Saturda, just gone, Saturday,
just gone. Yeah, a lot of water under the bridge between. Yeah,
it was a big night.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
It must have been a big night.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
We've only just just stopped celebrating that night. But what
I did notice was it was a great community. You know,
you guys have all got a great sense of humor
and you know you you all work together, you all
know each other, so that that's a big part of it,
isn't it. So you know, people that that got into refereing,
there is that that that community that that you can
get involved in.

Speaker 21 (01:08:32):
Absolutely a massive amount of camaraderie and uh and you
know the family the family spirit a few of them
is as well. But I guess that's the same with
you with everything, right you you you you make friends
with the people who are into the same stuff as you.
We we go out there and do a job which
can be pretty challenging at times. So you need to
celebrate the winds and celebrate the losses too. And the

(01:08:56):
drawers and the and the drawers the unfortunately few too
many of them at the at the moment.

Speaker 17 (01:09:01):
But yeah, I mean the camaraderie within within our.

Speaker 21 (01:09:05):
Association is not indifferent to any rugby club or sports
club or any other environment like that around New Zealand.
We all we get along with your own trirehst for
what we do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Good on you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
Yeah, is there a bit of extra assistance or you know,
the new element here is social media. So with the
young guys, particularly if they're moving up into more of
the professional level, what is the message to them. Do
you tell the younger guys maybe it's best to say
off social media or is there some training around that element?

Speaker 21 (01:09:35):
No, there isn't. I mean social media. And I was
hearing what Ben was saying before. And you know, Ben's
an outstanding ambassador for for for referring but also for
New Zealand and general is one of the Wood's best
referees at the moment. You know, social media. I mean,
if you just don't read what's put on it, then

(01:09:57):
you're then you're fine. But I struggle to think that anyone,
particularly the younger guys, are gonna are going to heed
that advice. But I mean, as I said, I've I've
been referring for a while now, and I can definitely
tell you that.

Speaker 17 (01:10:09):
You know, when my game's previous games have.

Speaker 21 (01:10:12):
Been televised and then they're putting put up on Sky
or whatever, and some people have absolutely climbed and for better,
for worse, and and yeah, it can be pretty challenging
to take in some respects. Absolutely, yeah, I bet.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
And final question, I saw this video of a ref
out on the field by himself running around blowing whistles
and running lineouts and stuff, sort of sort of a
shadow referee Angus Gardner. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, and shame.
Was that a real thing? That's one hundred percent real, right,
And is that something you do?

Speaker 21 (01:10:48):
Definitely not, but maybe that's why Angus garden is also
one of the best referees in the world.

Speaker 17 (01:10:54):
And I'm a club dirt tracker.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
There is something pretty music about it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
He's day guy officially in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
The whole game, and you're the only one there. It's
quite something. But for four whistles and anything, it's it's
good stuff. But he is a great referee, so you know,
as you say, fantastic. Well, you know, good on you,
Good on you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
Mate, Rob. Thank you very much for coming and studio.
Make great to see you and we'll catch up again soon.

Speaker 17 (01:11:14):
Yeah, thanks Jens.

Speaker 21 (01:11:14):
And look, I encourage anyone who wants to give up
referee so to give up referring, not to but anyone
who wants to take up referrering talk to the local
association and they won't regret it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Yeah, and then what's mine? You saying no reff no game?

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Yeah, get that on the bumper.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Still remember that it was something at the start of it.
Don't be lame, no refinck something. We need another rhyme
and there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Yeah, yeah, we'll get back to that. We'll find that text.
It was a good eye.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
Robs he ketching in so mate. That is Rob Harmon,
President of the Auckland Referees Association. We're taking more of
your call shortly. Plenty of ticks coming through as well. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you are a
riff or are looking to get into it, really can
do a chat with you. And if you're an appearance
on the sidelines, what are you seeing out there?

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
It is a quarter to three.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty Matt Heathan Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
They'd be afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
It's thirteen to three and we are talking about referees
and New Zealand. Is there a problem with the way
that we treat them at the grassroots level and into
the professional level as well. If you've been a referee
and you're currently a referee A one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. What are you seen out there, why did
you get into it, and what do you get out
of it? Because clearly, speaking to Rob and also Ben,
there's a huge amount of satisfaction in doing something like

(01:12:27):
refereeing at the grassroots or professional level. It is giving
back to your community. And as Rob' said, referees pay
to do it at that level. You know they're not
getting any money. They're actually paying for the privilege to
get out there and make sure the sport can go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
The saying no ref, no game is great. I'm a
coach and I have banned parents from coming to games
because of their no nothing, abusive attitude towards the refs.
It has to start with schools and coaches and parents too.
If you see someone being a dickhead, you've got to
say something on my team. If they behave like that,

(01:13:01):
they don't come to the next game. The kids all right,
but the parents stay home.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
I like that, and this is a nice teakes love
this chat, Mike. Kids are playing club rugby and rests
make the community that comes with that possible. They are
the cornerstone of New Zealand society and we've got to
treat them better.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Darren, welcome to the show. Hey, hey Don, very good,
thank you. So you are a ref.

Speaker 10 (01:13:25):
Yeah, so my eight year old son plays football.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (01:13:29):
And I've played football in the past, so you know,
know the rules. But I've experienced a mixture of you
know refs that dads or mums who just maybe they
don't know the rules. We never paid before, so they
just let everything go. And then you've got other rests
who are like, you know, they know the rules and
they blow everything up and you try and be sort

(01:13:51):
of somewhere in the middle. I've found a few try
and blow up you know, thousand things like that that
some of the parents on the sidelines, you know you
hear the old referee referee you know, or you know,
have had some abuse from people saying, oh, you should
have called out a fowl or you know, you're not

(01:14:12):
referring it properly.

Speaker 20 (01:14:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:14:16):
I had one one parent to me afterwards and said
you ruined the game because you keep blowing the whistle
for fouls. And I was like, you said, the kids
don't They won't enjoy the game because the game's not
free flowing. And I said, well, I don't think the
kids enjoy being picked and fouled.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
So and it's also what did you do for the game?
You know, he said that to the moments do I
ruin the game? What did you do? Did you make
the game a lot better by standing on the sideline?

Speaker 9 (01:14:40):
You know exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Yeah, it's an interesting one with that free flowing nature
when there are young kids, because you know, I've done
a bit of refereeing at that level, and what I mean,
that's the hard thing isn't knowing what to let go
and what not to let go because you know, a
lot of stuff kids do at that age it is
just because they you know, they're just eight year olds

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and they just run around, you know, they're kind of
not necessarily.

Speaker 10 (01:15:06):
We saw coaching, We saw a coaching course, and one
of the things they said was kids of that age
don't try to foil intentionally.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Mm hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:15:14):
The one thing I found with a coach, and I
will see at a coaching course, and the one thing
I've found is that's aught about tacking play and scoring
goals and all that kind of stuff, is not much
on how to tackle properly or a defense. Yeah, it's
an issue because I do think some kids they watched TV,
they watched the Premier League. They try to copy the heroes,
and I think sometimes they do fail intentionally and I
can I think I could pick it when they are

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trying to do that, yeah, grabbing shirt you know. Yeah,
somebody that's going on goal to score a goal and they.

Speaker 9 (01:15:40):
Pull them back back.

Speaker 10 (01:15:41):
So yeah, and the kind of stuff I pick up.
And you blow the whistle for a fowl and there
at the times when you know they have a clision
and it's slip both going for the ball when you're
and you're about to go.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Yeah, oh we'll get on you Darren for getting out
there and doing it. And yeah, don't listen to those
winging parents.

Speaker 10 (01:15:56):
Yeah, thank you very much, Darren.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
What a good man.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
I mean, it's crazy getting that at an eight year
old soccer match. I mean you just want to read
cards appearance they send them off.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
You see it just people going absolutely mental. It's all sports,
you know, Like there's a lot of people hockey people
coming through here. There's an inlights inline skates person saying
the abuse. There's water polo parents getting crazy. My parents
love their kids and want their kids to do well,
so they get very passionate about it, and they and
they want their kids a chance to expressing themselves on

(01:16:25):
the field. So you can understand the emotions that come
through from a parent. And I've certainly been on the
sideline of a game and gone. But but you just
got to rain that in because it's you know, you're
you are damaging the game and the potential for whatever
game you support from continuing if you keep bloody paving
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
Yeah, nicely said, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty c.
Number to call it is eight to three.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News
Talks B.

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
News Talks B. It is five to three. Mike, how
are you good? Here you go, God, we've only got
sixty seconds.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Mate. What's your thoughts?

Speaker 22 (01:17:04):
Yeah, well, well, well I've just finished referring. I'll retire
see many two. I did it for about twenty three years,
and I just think now there's the rules and similar
rules are ruined it and that's the debase people abusing
people on the sideline. I had a model that I
blowed the whistle stop the game, and I walk up
to them told him if they didn't stop the abuse,
I was seeing them off the park. I do it

(01:17:26):
quite a few times stuff and it works quite quite
well if you, if you're game, have to do that.
That's why I used to do any I was riffing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
So you read you read read card an audience member
someone in the crowd. Are you good?

Speaker 22 (01:17:39):
Yeah, get rid of me because you're not really to
be abused by putting. We don't we get, we don't
we do it for lovely we don't get. We don't
get paid doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
Yeah, like your star.

Speaker 22 (01:17:48):
Yeah, I just really just in the off the park,
we see we're going to have any shower. We don't
need to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Do you know how many how many games you would
have officiated in your and all the time you were
doing it, any idea?

Speaker 22 (01:17:58):
I hate I'll be well over, Oh there'll be hundreds.
I started. We've been doing well. I started. I started.
I started when I was about oh, probably my late forties.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Well, sorry, Mike, we've run out of time. But thank
you so much, and good on you for officiating all
those games. You're a buddy, great News Inalander for doing
that as all the referees are because as as we
were saying before, no ref no game, remember when you're
addicted to a refewist of the game you love, not continuing, right,
And we need sport and we need people playing sport right,
especially rugby union because it's a very very complicated game.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
One hundred percent really enjoyed that hour.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
Thank you very much to those who text and called,
and thank you to Ben O'Keeffe and Rob Harmon as well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Great great people.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Coming up after three o'clock, Let's have a chat about
dog attacks. They have been in the headlines a lot
in recent years, and the latest one a very dramatic
incident about a pitbull rampaging into a jewelry store and
severely hurting a lapdog and an employee. So keen to
hear your stories. Oh eight undred eighty ten eighty is
a number to call. Nine two nine two is a
text news coming up your new home.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Are in stateful and entertaining talk. It's Matty and Taylor
Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
Seven past three. Just before we get into the next topic,
obviously the radio survey was released this morning, and just
want to say quickly it was really nice to see
us go up again in the Afternoon Show, the third
time we've gone up in those surveys. So a genuine,
genuine thank you for listening and making us a party afternoon.

(01:19:31):
Awesome to have you you with us and your good,
good people, and we love it so plenty more of that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Yeah, that's right, Tyler and I love doing the show,
so it's great that people seem to be enjoyed listening
to it in increasing numbers. That's bloody good.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
Yep, we love you guys right onto this one. This
will be a good discussion, but it might be a
full on discussion. But it's happening more and more. We're
talking about dog attacks, and clearly it has been in
the news a hell of a lot over the last
couple of years, but the latest incident was very dramatic
and full on. A rampaging pitball launched itself from a
moving vehicle and stormed into an Auckland jewelry store while

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attempting to savage a lapdog, injuring an employee during the ordeal.
So the work claimed the pitbull's owner has yet to
face any significant consequences, despite the attack causing a career
ending injury. It's incredibly terrifying and incredibly dramatic incidents, but
certainly when it comes to dog attacks or being threatened

(01:20:24):
by dogs, it is something that appears to be happening
a bit more.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Yeah, I mean it's not ideal, is it. So a
pitbull jumps out of a car, runs through the front
of a Michael Hill jeweler. It's trying to maul a
lap dog that's in the customer's hand and Stacey pens
the employee, so she jumps out heroically to protect the
customer and the kavoodle. I believe, I believe it was kavodle.
I like a kavoodle. I don't want to see a
cave dogs mauled by a pitbull. And yeah, so she's

(01:20:51):
had to have eight months off work and thinks her
careers over. The pitball owner has been issued an infringement
order along with an order to muzzle and inuter the
mass So what do you think about this? Should there
be a bigger punishment of the dog jumps out of
a car and runs into a Michael Hill uller and
causes all kinds of problems. You know, should and should

(01:21:12):
that dog have been put down? And or is that
just life? Dog? Dogs will be dogs. You know we
love dogs. I love dogs, Yeah, I don't love I
wouldn't love a pit bull that attacked my dog, Colin.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
Why you're buying a nice ring.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
But it seems unlikely that the owner wanted this to happen.
You know that the owner didn't sick the dog on
the Michael Hill jeweler. You know, this kind of dog
attack is rere. Is that just the price we sometimes
pay for having man's best friend running around generally making
the world a happier place. Where is there some gray
area in the middle between killing the dog and letting

(01:21:45):
it run free?

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
You know, hopefully there's some gray area there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
I certain dogs. It seems that pit bulls do seem
to cause, you know, more problems than other dogs. Certainly
cause more problems than a Mini Schnauzer mixed with a
Jack Russell like I've got. I mean, it could do
very little damage in a Michael Hill jewel and my dog.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
You could take on a Colin. Collin's a good boy,
though he's a very good boy. This football was not
a good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
The dog owners should also be put down. Okay, well,
I mean that's the that's the extreme end of it.
The dog should be destroyed immediately. There you go. Pitbull
should be put down, no question about it, says Bob.

Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty. It is a bit
of a nuanced discussion. I mean, clearly there has been
calls for some stronger ramifications for the owners, and that's
generally I think where I sit. I think when it
comes to dog owners, they've got to face the ramifications yet,
because it comes down to how you train your dog
and the control that you have with your dog, and
also the breed that you choose. Matt, you've picked a

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breed that's a very beautiful breed, but I understand quite
an easy to control breed. But if you don't have
ConTroll as an owner, even with the window down, and
I'm sure that was an accident, and I'm sure that
he didn't want the pitball to jump out and run
into that jewelry store, but that's your mistake as an owner,
and you're going to face the consequences.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Yeah, and let's be clear, it didn't kill the dog,
It didn't kill anyone or any dog did it? I mean,
it's a career ender. I mean, I'll be interested. I
mean she says her career is so she was. I'm
not sure what she did in the Michael Hill Jewelers,
whether she was an intricate jeweler that was, you know,
fixing things. I mean, do you do that, Michael Old jeweler?

(01:23:20):
I think, yeah, do you do they fixed? Do they
fixed stuff? And Michael hild Dael, it's a good question
if you work in that Michael Hill. They might change batteries,
but do they fix straps or anything? Or is Michael
Michael Hill jeweler rop Michael Hill jeweler. But you know,
I'm be interested in order job is. But apparently she's
had eight months off work in her careers over So
I mean that's not good, is it?

Speaker 20 (01:23:40):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
Certainly not.

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
How do you feel about this? So there need to
be stronger dog laws? Do owners need to face some
more responsibility? Or is this just a tragic accident and
the right outcome was had? Really? Can to have a
chat with you? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call? It is twelve past three US talks,
it'd be afternoon. It is fourteen pass three. So should

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there be stronger laws and ramifications and consequences for dogs
and their owners if there are incidents or attacks?

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:24:09):
This is after a pit bull managed to escape out
of the owner's window go into a drawlery store, apparently
going for a small kavoodoo a kavoodle, and unfortunately one
of the employees got in the way to try and
save this dog and got very badly hurt. So what
do you say, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Dog owners need to be made more accountable, says this text.
If a dog bites someone, that's assault and the owner
should be held responsible. I mean, that does happen. Please
don't demonize the breed. I've dealt with more vicious attacks
by normal dogs than bully breeds. A lot of people
saying that, saying that, you know, it's unfair to say
that pit bulls are just bad dogs. But then again,

(01:24:45):
there's this person here that's saying, I'm sick of hearing
no such thing as a bad dog. It's all about
the owners. Have you ever heard of a Golden Retriever
jumping off outer car into a shop to moll or
smaller dog. I don't think so. Some breeds are bred
because they are aggressive. The dogs should have absolutely been
put down and the owner find those dogs should be muzzled,
no question about it. Trish, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 16 (01:25:09):
Hi. So I'm really curious about this whole situation. I mean,
I've been brought up in a dog situation. All our
lives had dogs, different ones, hunting dogs, farm dogs. Some
dogs just have her have it in their mind that's
what they're going to do. And that dog obviously did

(01:25:33):
and it. You know, I just think if there was
a little girl walking along the road and that dog
got out and mulled her and the dog, it would
be a different story. Regardless of the breed, that dog
should be put down because it can't be trusted. I've
got a dog we've been on the farm. She is
a Popham hunter. We now live in the town and

(01:25:57):
unfortunately cats look like Posthams. But she has a command
and she knows that what that command is and she
stands down as soon as she I say it. So
there is way to control your dogs. But it's that
poor lady who stepped in, you know, she should get
a medal.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Yeah, so the dog, you know, part of the an
infringement order has been you know, the council has an
order to muzzle and new to the dog. So this
pitbull is will be well as long as they follow
follow the rules, be muzzled out and about and newted.
I mean, I'd actually like to know from a vet.

(01:26:36):
Actually I don't know if there's the details of this,
but if a dog's aggressive and then you neuter it,
does it does it lose its aggression straight away?

Speaker 16 (01:26:44):
Or do it does?

Speaker 15 (01:26:46):
Know?

Speaker 16 (01:26:46):
Not all dogs, not all dogs roll, they will become
a less aggressive. But that dog was on a tackmode.
That's a totally different different thing. A dog is on
a tackmode that that's nothing to do with it. It
just it's out to get that that thing. It's like
when dogs go after lambs. It's in that attack mode
and nothing like that was going to stop it. Think

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it should be put down for the sake children. I
mean of dogs on my life from from our stations,
the fox terriers all through and and you know we've
had to face some consequences. Women have had an animal
which no matter what we did was aggressive, and sadly

(01:27:30):
we have them had to make that decision because we
couldn't dog even out and about every day, So it's heartbreaking.
Could you love them and something is just in them?

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
So no, Yeah, well I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
If my dog, ever God forbid, attack the child, clearly
we'd have to put that dog down and I'd face,
quite rightly a mass of fine and some and some
serious consequences.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
But in this instance, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
True.

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
I think for the most part, unless this dog has
a history of attacking people or being aggressive, that's different.
That's almost like a three strikes policy. But in general,
my my thinking is that you do everything you can
to save the dog's life, and the owner should face
the ramifications here and whether this owner has faced enough ramifications,
I don't think so. But putting down a dog should

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be just for the dogs that cannot be saved.

Speaker 22 (01:28:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:28:25):
Well, yes, as a way of looking at it, but
that when a dog just jumps out for and it
looks at something, it's on an attack mode. And that's
totally different to what you're talking about, where just bite.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
People just because yeah, I mean, I mean, it's it's
jumped out of it. It's jumped out of the window.
It's jumped out of a window, Trishan. It's gone like
a it's gone like a missile into a Michael Hill Jewelers.
And it's a tactic of voodle. It was on a mission,
you're right, trash.

Speaker 16 (01:28:50):
Yeah, it was on a mission. And now during it
and musling, well, muzzling it will stop it from buying,
but will lessen it. But it's still in. It's still
in that dog.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Yeah, thank you. Called it's rough sce. I called a
rough job working in a Michael Hill jeweler, doesn't it.
I mean, we're not hearing so much of it. But
you know, it's one thing working in there with all
the you know a holes that run in and smash
the place up and try and steal stuff, let alone
pit bulls running in and attacking kvoodles in front of you.
It's been a rough time for Uturing a male dog

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can reduce aggression, particularly towards other dogs and into territorial behaviors.
Neutering lowess testosterone levels, which are linked to aggression in
male dogs. While it's not a guarantee fixed for all
aggressive behaviors, utering can help decrease the intensity and frequency
of aggression in many cases.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
Interesting, Yeah, I think it would make me a bit calmer.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Right, have you not been you? I always assume you
had been muted.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
It's interesting, Funnily enough, I haven't yet. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
What's your thoughts about the consequences dog owners face if
their dogs do get out and try and attack other
dogs or, in this case sadly have injured someone.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty as the number to call.
It's twenty pass.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Three Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty on News Talk zby.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
It is twenty two past three, and we're talking about
the ramifications for dog owners when it comes to situations
such as this story. So arraging, rampaging pitball launched itself
from a car window into a jewlery store going for
a little kovoodle that it clearly had a problem with.
Then one of the employees, according to this article, and

(01:30:32):
we'll try and get a hold of this particular employee,
wrestled the dog off the kavoodle and the owner of
the kavoodle, and then injured her shoulder while she was
trying to pull this pitbull off.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Yeah. So you know a lot of people are saying
by the human death sentence end of the story. I
don't think, you know, unless I'm missing something. And as
I say, we're trying to get hold of Stacy pen
to talk to her about it. But unless I'm missing something,
I think the pitbull trying to the Actually, Okay, I
have just heard that we're not allowed to talk to

(01:31:05):
her because she's on Hea this show.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Okay, all right, Yeah, I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Time we reached out to her, but she's chosen here
this show.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
I can't dry it right.

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
Well, drive time, she wants the drive time fair enough.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
Well, here's the quote that she said in this article.
So just she.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Finished my thoughts. Sorry, dear Tyler. I believe that she
that she was protecting her heroically, the kavoodle and the customer.
But I don't think that the the pit bull actually
bit her. I think it was the yanking around of
the strong pitbull that messed up her shoulder, hence her
having spent eight months off work and was ultimately unable

(01:31:42):
to return due to lifting requirements.

Speaker 4 (01:31:45):
YEP, spot on one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call if you text on this one
guy's a dog's propensity to bite plus one bite equals
the bullets plus automatic prosecution of the owner. This used
to be the position under previous dog control legislation. Too
many uncontrolled, threatening dogs out there from Bruce. But again, Bruce,
this wasn't a situation where the dog a bit a human.

(01:32:05):
It was going for the kavoodle. And this woman injured
her shoulder trying to pull the pitbull out of that situation,
and that's how she sustained her injury.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
So it is a bit different.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
So I'm trying to paraphrase this because it's quite aggressive text.
But it's starve a pitball for two weeks, cover the
driver in blood from rotten steak, and then release a
pitball into the car with the driver.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
That's very medieval. It's a hell of a punishment.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
That's a very medieval punishment. It's very I for eye
kind of punishment, isn't it our welcome to the show?

Speaker 13 (01:32:42):
Yeah, how are we?

Speaker 9 (01:32:43):
That's a bit groom and.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
A ca I don't think we support that.

Speaker 13 (01:32:48):
No, No, But I can say, I'll see been a
farmer and been taken a for years training all sorts
of different kind of dolls. I think what everyone sort
of passes on is one. It's the type of breed.
So the owners need to when they're going to buy
a doll like that or raise a doll like that,
they need specially requirement special abilities to be able to

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blow the energy out of those dogs.

Speaker 9 (01:33:12):
Because they do.

Speaker 13 (01:33:13):
They sit at home and on the kennel and get
stir crazy and they just bark at people and that's
when the aggression start. And they raise a good point
in saying murdering actually does a lot more than what
people realize, but it's on time frames and when you
needed them. There's no point of doing that now depending
on his age, because he's already learned that aggression. You've
got to do that early and at the get go

(01:33:36):
and put someone on a dormant sort of easy sort
of mindset, and then you can train off that and
keep that going. But if you do it, if you
don't do it, they'll have that dest off and that
boy stress and that I suppose going them so you
can't harness it or control it. When they get old,
because I'm in the old saying you can't teach old
dogs and tricks, and in some circumstances when when it

(01:33:58):
comes to aggression, you can't. It's bloody hard to get
it out of them. And if you do ever get
it out of them, it's not a very pretty way
to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
Hey, this is a question and online on this because
I've only ever had new to dogs. But yeah, what
I mean, I guess people leave the back wheels on
because they want to breed with them. I guess that's
why they choose to do it.

Speaker 13 (01:34:20):
Yes, yeah, and that's one thing. But then I mean,
if you can't control the dog, no one's going to
buy your dog, are you?

Speaker 9 (01:34:26):
So I suppose it.

Speaker 13 (01:34:27):
All comes down so if you want to be a breeder,
then you need.

Speaker 9 (01:34:29):
To be able to control that to do it.

Speaker 13 (01:34:33):
Otherwise before you needed them, maybe you get the spoon baking,
then freeze them, sotell. But you to be honest with you,
if you're going to breed, no one's going to buy
a dog off you if it's it's as wild as anything.
But then I think regulations need to come into place
there too, Like if you can't prove or have a
go to a course or do something to prove that

(01:34:54):
you can be able to handle those kind of breeds,
because it's not like you Jeck Russell, but they're not.
They are firing and upling, going to do but they
haven't got that aggression towards humans or anything else. They
got their aggression with little animals, little brabbits in there.
But and you know, I think people need to be
under some sort of jurisdiction to be able to bring
these dogs up, otherwise they will they'll just turn fear aal.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
What kind of dogs do you breed on on on farms, elf?

Speaker 20 (01:35:22):
Well, I did a.

Speaker 13 (01:35:22):
Lot of SECA dogs. So I took a lot of
SCA dogs and I broke them in to be pig dogs,
and some of them I broke them into be Kendle dogs.
And otherwise it's just farm dogs just wear the mouths
and mates and all the rest of them. We just
trade ups and all the rest. And that's how I
sort of growing up. But then to me, SBHA dogs
ended up being most pitfalls and rock wheelers and all

(01:35:44):
the rest of that, not drop wheelers but fitballs, and
that they actually were the best loyal friends. Competitions that
you could have, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
You think you're you're along with these people that are
texting and saying, it's not the breed, it's the it's
the you know, it's the owner not understanding how to
deal with the breed. So if if a pitbull is
brought up in the right way and trained in the
right way, can a pitball be a peaceful, peaceful animal
that someone can.

Speaker 13 (01:36:07):
Have undred percent understand, I'd let the kid ride it,
you know, and then you wove it. So to me,
that whole scenario is just pure negligence from the owner.
If they had that genuincy, which I can't believe that
they would not have known that right to the injury
if eccellent at the negligence they having that window open.

Speaker 4 (01:36:28):
But do you always put the I mean in this situation,
and it is a unique situation, elf that if the
dog didn't go for the employee ning question and the
injury happened trying to pull the dog off, do you
always go with putting down the dog? Wouldn't it make
more sense in this situation if the owner wasn't responsible,
that you ban that person from owning dogs, because it
is it's a privilege, not a right that you ban

(01:36:48):
them from owning dogs for a period of time. So
because there's more, I mean, you know, my point is
it's about owner responsibility, and I it does frustrate me.
I'm a dog lover, clearly I am, and people will
abuse me for being too woke on this, but it
does piss me off when dogs are continually put down
because the owners were the kids.

Speaker 13 (01:37:06):
Yeah, now so I I to my from my perspective
on that is it depends the age of that dog.
Definitely should be taken away from the owner because the
owner can't handle it. And then having that risk around
in town for any other possibly human or other little animals,
canceled dogs or whatever it is, that's just not something
that should be around in town, you know, like little

(01:37:28):
The other scary thing is little kids are also perceived
as as little dogs too. You know that the dogs
have that that different with adults and hard with kids.
And I don't know to people with kids that have
had no potentially aggressive dogs will notice that too, that
they are I'll be mindful around him because he you know,

(01:37:49):
so I think that dog may be on age. You
might be able to save it to another family that'll
be able to handle it because it's not like said
at a human, but it's still had another dog. And
then ways that we've got around it into severe cases
on the farm is packing them just get the dogs
attack them, and it's a sort of hierarchy. The hierarchy

(01:38:10):
is pretty well the only way to get it out
of them in their own sort of species. So yeah,
I don't know. It depends on the age of dog.
The dog young enough to be able to, you know,
potentially come back then do it. But to be honest
with here, it needs to definitely come out of town,
regardless look way it comes out, whether it gets here,
put down or taken somewhere else, that it definitely needs

(01:38:32):
to come out of town because you can't have that happening,
can you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
I think if you call alf the tests says, firstly,
are you stupid? Why would you risk your safety for
another dog? The dog's life is far less important than
your person. I'm sure her career is not over. I'm
sure she can work in retail. Again. Pitbulls are not
inherently bad or dangerous. It's how they are raised and
treated that will make them aggressive. I am a firm
believer that if you are a dog owner of any breed, breed,

(01:38:55):
you need to train your dog. Even small dogs should
be trained. I hate when owners of small dogs think
they can't do much damage, so why train them. The
issue is that they then set off the big dogs
with yapping and nipping at them. That's true. All dogs
need to be controlled and restrained by the owner. So,
as we said before, this woman that was attacked in
the Michael Hill Jeweler, the employee of over twenty years,

(01:39:16):
Stacy Penn. She'll be on with Heather Duplessy Yellen after
four o'clock. But so, she wasn't stupid by by all accounts.
She was heroic because she jumped in between the dog
and the customer. And the customer so the customer had
the lap dog. The pitbull was in the car driving past. Well,
the pitbull wasn't driving the dog. Pretty sure that someone

(01:39:39):
someone was driving the car. The pitbull was in the
passenger seat, I believe. Not sure if the pit bull
was wearing at seatbelt or not. I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
Good question.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
I'm the pitple had made it click. We'll find that out.
But the pitbull saw the kavoodle, jumped out of the car,
ran across the road into the Michael Hill Jeweler and
this woman, Stacy Pen jumped out to protect the customer
and the kavoodle. So I think she might be the
hero in this situation. Sounds like you'll hear about the
injuries that she got, but I'm pretty sure went bytes

(01:40:09):
after four.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
Yeap Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call? Does there need to be some stronger dog
laws when it comes to owners who lose control of
their dogs, or in this instance, should it be put
the dog down if it's aggressive, if snowbuts love to
hear from you. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty to
number to call. Headlines with Wendy coming up twenty eight
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Speaker 4 (01:41:42):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we're talking about a
dog attack, so quickly to refresh you. A rampaging pitbull
launched itself from a moving vehicle, stormed into an Auckland
jewelry store while attempting to savage a lapdog. One of
the employees attempted to rip off this pitbull damaged to
her shoulder and she mentioned in this article and she'll
be speaking to Heather after four o'clock. She says that

(01:42:03):
the pitbull's owner's owner is yet to face significant consequences
and is calling four or the Auckland Council team to
do more. So is she right? Does they need to
be stronger consequences? One hundred and eighteen eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
Mark, welcome the show your sort of thoughts on man,
I can't even speak. I'll try that again, make get
a mark your thoughts on this. They'll do.

Speaker 20 (01:42:24):
Oh good a yeah, nice to hear from you, guys.

Speaker 9 (01:42:28):
Chat to you.

Speaker 20 (01:42:28):
I'm a dog rescuer.

Speaker 13 (01:42:30):
I've had seventy six over the last four years.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
How many did you say? Seventy six?

Speaker 9 (01:42:35):
Seventy six?

Speaker 20 (01:42:36):
Wow, it just comes and goes rolling door. We're all
all the rescues are full. I've had Staffy's pitbulls, every
breed you can imagine. I actually stopped fostering because I've
taken on a Husky. I just want to bring home
the point that, at one hundred percent is the dog
owner's responsibility each one of my foster dogs. I would

(01:42:58):
test every single dog with children, with small dogs, big dogs, male, female,
et cetera. I got to really understand each individual dog
and then need and that quirks my boy at the moment.
I know that he's had his balls for you know,
a year and a half, so he's got a bit
of territorial nature with male dogs, you know. So I

(01:43:19):
make sure my leash is strong, he's got a good
collar and harness, you know. I make sure he's contained.
I don't leave my car door open so that the
dog can jump out if he had the propensity to
jump out, if he was that kind of dog. It
kind of makes me think that this owner was not
being responsible.

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
We had a dog jumped out of the window like
the door wasn't open. But yeah, I get you, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:43:44):
And it comes back to one of the things that
I have always encouraged a lot of dog owners to
do is socialize your dogs early and often, especially during
the puppy hood and teenage stage. It sounds like this
dog was not socialized. It sounds like the cavertile was pobbery, challenging,
or flaring to that dog. And but that gives that
dog no right to jump out of the window of

(01:44:05):
the car and bolt towards the dog. My dog would
never do that, despite his you know mail on male difficulties.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Hey, so you said that you've left the back wheels
on your dog? Is that? And and so you know,
what do you say about a year and a half?
So are you saying that the aggression grows over time?
And so if you left them off for longer, they'd
be more aggressive. But you know we're talking four right, Okay, Sorry, you.

Speaker 20 (01:44:32):
Got a lot of people. They make the mistake in
thinking that neutering your dog is going to get rid
of aggression. It doesn't. It calms them down, and it
takes six months to do that. I firmly believe everyone
should be neutering their dogs. If they don't have intention
like a pure breed to breed them, it should be mandated.
In fact, I think there's a charity that was trying

(01:44:54):
to ban the life chaining of dogs back in twenty
twenty or twenty twenty one Chain Dog of Winness. That
bill actually sat past the petitions committee. And what's changed
people what we call life chaining, so they chain a
dog in the backyard for months.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
Years.

Speaker 20 (01:45:15):
I've rescued dogs that have been on the chain in
someone's backyard after nine years, and some of these dogs
they just lose the fight, right And like a good
thing for me though, is like they're a complete blank slate.
I can train them from the start. It's beautiful. I
can train them every command of the sun, and they're
really well behaved. But socializing them with other dogs is

(01:45:37):
a process. As you can imagine. The libertarian in me
is kind of anty of what my other idea was.
But I actually think that dog owners should have some
sort of label on your letterbox, et cetera, to say
that this address is like, there's a registered dog owner here,
and if you scan like some sort of code, these

(01:45:58):
are the dogs that are registered that that address. I
think in my kind of it's really or willian, but
I kind of feel that you should not be allowed
to have dogs if you haven't got a registration on
on the front of your property. And so a council
animal control officer can come along scan your code and say, yep,
you've got a husky and a border Collie and yep,

(01:46:20):
and so what is that random petsll doing there? And
then they go and investigate, or if there's a dog
that's wondering in someone's property, or if someone simply has
a bunch of dogs and they haven't got them registered,
You've got thirty days to comply, or all yours, all
your dogs get taken away.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
See that cumstance. I'm on my letter box. I mean,
I've got a snack, many many snails, a jack wrestle cross,
but i'd get the stick at it the head. You know,
five rock Wheelers, three German Shepherds, five Doberman and American
football teria the good security If that was listed on
your letter box.

Speaker 20 (01:46:50):
Well yeah, I mean, well you need to breeder's license.
We have that many dogs. But that also furthers the point,
isn't it. Like there's a lot of people out the
South Aukland I property manage out in South Aukland. There's
a lot of people that have like five ten dogs
in their property but no license to keep them, and
because the neighbors don't report them, it just keeps going on.
These are the places that I rest your dogs from
where you go to some hoarder's place and they've got

(01:47:11):
twenty dogs in the backyard, all chained up to mattresses
and under the house and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
So why do they want so many dogs? I don't.
I don't get it. Is it because they're they're breed,
or it's what it's emotional.

Speaker 20 (01:47:25):
These sort of people that have more than five dogs
tend to be hoarders in nature. Right, And you are
writing that there is an element of property protection, so
one thing that maybe a lot of listeners aren't aware of.
In Auckland, if your gate is closed and it's and
it's closed and no one can walk onto your property
with a mission, if your dog attacks someone that comes

(01:47:46):
onto the property, you're okay, the dog is perfectly okay
to do that according to animal control.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Right, okay, you know face that, you.

Speaker 20 (01:47:57):
Know, shouldn't everyone be able to walk up to your
front door? So it kind of is a dichotomy there.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
Yeah, well it's handy if you've ordered something of Amazon.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
Or something you get a pass the lock.

Speaker 9 (01:48:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
Hey, thanks for your call, Mark, and thanks for your
insights on that. It's really interesting stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:48:14):
Yeah, great to chat with you, Mark. Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is a number to call back
in a mow. It's seventeen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
It's a fresh take on took back. It's Matt Heathen
Taylor Adams Afternoons, have your say on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty youth dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
There'd be good afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
We are talking about dog attacks and dog legislation, all
the rules around what would happen if your dog did
get loose, And in this case, it was a pit
bull that ran into a jewelry store, went for a
kovoodle and one of the employees got injured trying to
rip that dog off the kavoodle. Can you hear your thoughts?
This is an interesting text. What a load of piffle.
There's far too many so called rescues out there, far

(01:48:53):
too many bad tempered dogs, crossbred MutS that need to
be euthanized. You can't save them all. I do love dogs,
by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
That's nice text.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
Okay, yeah, hey, guys love the show. Wouldn't be surprised
to hear this pit bull has had previous issues, needs
to be put down. I could have been a child
that was harmed. Yeah, I mean, if a dog's so
freaking angry that it's that, it's it's jumping out of
a moving car, running into a Michael Hill jeweler and
trying to smash up akvoodle. It could easily get very

(01:49:23):
confused with a child and the Michael Hill door.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
Yeah, very very good point.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
Yeah, Caroline, welcome to the show. Is it Caroline or Caroline?

Speaker 6 (01:49:32):
Caroline?

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
Hey, Caroline, thanks for calling your thoughts on this.

Speaker 6 (01:49:36):
Oh, it's a good topic. A few years ago, I
was looking after my parents' old house and I had
two old whiskies that were like fifteen sixteen years old,
I said, walked around the block, but five doors down
was a gang. They were renting a house and they
had a tie ridgeback, which I've never seen these for

(01:49:59):
the dogs before, but I used to have a Rhodesian ridgeback,
but this was a tie ridge back. It looked sort
of like something pretty scary.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
Actually, anyway, that's old age. They look like a devil dog.
They look like the kind of.

Speaker 6 (01:50:11):
Dog, say, a devil dog. Yeah, they like.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
From Hell, hounds from They do look like a.

Speaker 6 (01:50:16):
Hound from Hell. That's exacuately look Anyway, this gang had one,
and you know it was not registered or anything, of course,
but that it was sort of There were a lot
of dogs, little dogs in the neighborhood and a little
old lady who lived on the corner. She had little
black poodle and she was out walking one day and

(01:50:37):
she used to let the dog walk, you know, five
ten feet ahead of her without a lead on, and
just at the wrong moment, the gang pulled up at
the house and the high ridge that jumped out of
the window and got the little black poodle and dis
about it in about three seconds. And this poor little

(01:50:57):
old lady, I mean, the kindly, I have to say.
The guy that owned the dog put the old lady
in the car and they drove to the vet. But
the dog had to be put down, little little poodle.
But I spoke to the vet a few days later
and asked about what do we do because I had
often rung up the local council about the dogs that

(01:51:19):
used to escape and roam the streets, and it just
used to really frighten me with my old dogs. And anyway,
sure enough, when this happened, I rang the council and
again and complained about it again, and they were always
but hesitant to go there because they said to me,
quite honestly, one day they said, look, we've been told
if we arrived on the property to take the dog
that we'd be shot. So it was a really tricky situation.

(01:51:45):
That went on and on, but I used to walk,
you know, we walking around the neighborhood and a lot
of schools around there and kids and whatnot. And remember
one day it was roaming up and down the road.
The owners had got obviously gone out and left the
dog and it could escape. And I once again I
rang the council and they sort of got there. But

(01:52:06):
the sad thing was in the gang moved out, they
sort of abandoned the dog for days. I think someone
used to go around there a few days and feed it,
but it was by itself and it managed to escape,
and I remember it roaming up and down the street.
And I was told by one of the neighbors that
year that they've moved out, but they've left the dog.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
There was this the devil hound wandering up and down
the street.

Speaker 12 (01:52:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:32):
It is terrifying, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:52:34):
Yes, And so I ended up going down and getting
a tin of dog food in my car. I drove down,
open the window and chucked out a hold of the
dog foods for it, and it was really hungry. I
felt really sorry the little dog. In the end, it
was like all I wanted was the week cuddle. Really,
but I'm not that I was going to get in there,
but either council. I don't know what happened in the end,

(01:52:58):
but you know, I was always running the council and
they were always like, oh, yes, you know, we know
that dog, and we know that address and no year,
but we can't go there because we'll get shot.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
Wow. Wow, that's that's That's a lot going on, isn't it. Guns,
gang members, devil dogs, dogs from hell.

Speaker 4 (01:53:15):
Just wanted a bit of a cuddle. Yeah, what a story.
All right, thank you very much. We will take a
quick break when we come back. There's a text here
from a the wife of the surgeon who deals with
dog bites. Very very interesting. We'll get to that very shortly.
It is nine minutes to four.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
So this text here, my dog's called Colin. I mean
that's I'm just saying that's about me. That's in the text.
But this textas says, has Colin ever sniffed your nuts?
It's a kind of off topic question, but.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
You answer it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
Yeah, yeah, good.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons
used dogs B.

Speaker 4 (01:53:54):
News Dogs there B. It is seven to four. So
many texts have come through on this one. And I
mentioned before about the husband of a face surgeon, and
here it is. My husband is a face and jaw
surgeon who deals with dog bites on adults and children
on a far too regular basis. It can be such
a harrowing experience for the victim and can be life changing.

(01:54:15):
We will never own a dog for that reason. If
you spoke to him, he would say, no dog can
ever be one hundred percent safe.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
I'd tell him, come and meet my dog, Colin. He's
one hundred percent safe, all right. Plumb of years ago
was trapped under a house by a pit bull and
he smacked it on the head with a pipe wrench.
The dog did not survive. He ran out to the
car and rang the police and told them what happened.
The police asked if I'd like to visit several others
as this dog was trouble and so many in the

(01:54:44):
area police.

Speaker 3 (01:54:46):
Regulation of being a dog killer.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Send it to smack over the head with pipe wrench.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
Dog man, what.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
Kind of pay do you get for that kind of job?

Speaker 3 (01:54:56):
It's a great text.

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
Animal Control charged with friend ten k for his dog
attacking someone coming through the upstairs window. Wow, so dog
came through someone like, you're just hanging out upstairs and
the dog comes through and attacks you. My god, the men.
For me, that's worse than hanging out in a Michael
Hill jeweler with a kavoodle and a pitbull coming through.
Undo the Michael Zilla. The story we're talking about and

(01:55:20):
this one.

Speaker 4 (01:55:20):
Firstly, people should not be taking dogs into shops full stop.
I don't like to see dogs, and shops are around cafes.
Second secondary, the pit bull should not be I should
be put down rather and the only heavily fine. Thirdly,
the shop assistant should not have intervened. All are at
fault here. I don't really like dogs, so maybe I'm
biased that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
Wow, that was a plague in all the houses, wasn't
it that one? I mean he was. If a business
want allows people to bring their dogs in the then absolutely.
But the pitbull was not invited to the Michael Hill.
It was the kavoodle was invited. The pitbull crash the party.
Let's just direct it clear, all right then? Thank you
so much for listening to the show today, and thank
you for all your calls and texts. The full Matt

(01:56:02):
and Tayler Afternoon's podcast will be out in about an hour.
So if you missed any of our chats on pitbulls,
attacking kvoodles and Michael Hill Jill, or whether it's time
for a culture change when it comes to referee abuse,
then follow our podcast where we get your pods. I
really like how this text here. Hey guys, I know
it's after the fact, but listening to your referee chat

(01:56:22):
before I've contacted the Auckland Rugby Referees Association hopefully start
my journey. Wish me luck dodging the abuse.

Speaker 4 (01:56:30):
All the bestness luck. What a good man that person is, right,
What a fantastic show.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
Why am I playing you this song? Tyler?

Speaker 4 (01:56:39):
But a deaf lepperd powesome sugar on me? The Dendal
Association want us to pay more for our Coca Cola
because our teeth are terrible and we're all babies and
we can't do any better.

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
That's right here. The duper see Ellen is up next
with the said woman who got fought off a pit
bull and a Michael Hill Julius. You'll be talking to
that woman, but right now, have a bloody good afternoon
and we'll see you tomorrow and give them a taste
of Kiwi to then love you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:16):
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