Full Show Podcast: 26 August 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 26th of August 2025, the world’s safest countries have been named - do you feel safe?

Then some good discussions around the number of people choosing not to have children.

And to finish the stories of slackers in the workplace - those that seem to keep disappearing!

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Hello, you got New Zealands and welcome to mattin Tyler
Fool Show Podcast number one ninety one for Tuesday, the
twenty sixth of August twenty twenty five. Fantastic show today.
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Thank you getting bigger and bigger that someone that I
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It was glorious.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
And also we found out who has the most vasecto
mees in New Zealand and you will never guess we
actually got on the phone with him.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, that's right, and quite an amusing name for a
guy that's had that many visect to me. So yeah,
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Speaker 4 (01:18):
Be very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Tuesday show.
So good to have your company as always, hope you're
having a great day. Seven past one, Get a Mets.

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Speaker 4 (01:33):
Absolutely now just before we get onto that, and bear
with me because this will sound like a bit of
a punishing chap, but I'm okay with it, and I
just want to talk about the power of a good
morning from strangers. So there's been no doubt about it.
I've been a little bit out of sorts for the
past week. You've been great, mate, but we know why
I have been a little bit out of sorts. It's
been a big week for the family.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
And if you went, how is the family?

Speaker 4 (01:52):
They're good. They're good. Yep, yep, after a lovely service.
If you weren't listening, last week, my dear Nana Betty
passed away, so he headed down to christ You spent
some time with the family but it's you know, it
kind of hits you a little bit later on, doesn't
it with those sort of things. So I've been feeling
in a bit of a funk, so got up this
and thought, right, going to get out and have a
nice walk with the dog and get some Vitamin D

(02:13):
and got down to our beautiful dog park up here
in Auckland, still in a bit of a funk. But
I've got to say every single person I walked past
looked me in the face, big smile on their face
and said good morning. And what a mood booster that is.
Genuinely it is. Yeah, it is such a nice thing.
And I was just thinking, that is something we've got
to hold on. So, dear to a New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Do you instigate the hello are you? First? I looked.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
I looked, and I was going to say something if
they didn't say anything, but just that beaming smile.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
They were having a good morning. They were happy.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Instantly.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
It is contagious.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
I know it sounds polyonderish, but it is instantly the
first one I thought, oh, yeah, it feels quite nice.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
It's interesting because I was just when I arrived at Newstalks,
he'd be this morning I walked past the kitchen into
the green room area there and there was a woman
that was on her phone, yep, and she was walking
around and I smiled at her, and she just scowled
back and walked past. Oh, And I thought, who doesn't
just throw a smile back at someone that smiled?

Speaker 5 (03:08):
Was it?

Speaker 4 (03:08):
One hundred percent? And I'd hope I mean getting a
scale back? Yeah, come on, yeah, lady of happiness in
your life.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
I know you've got to smile back if someone smiles. Exactly,
but yeah, no, no, one hundred percent agree. There is
sort of a problem these days, though, where a lot
of people are walking around with headphones and yes, ear
plugs in. I think that is isolating us even more so.
You might be walking with your dog. It's one of
the great things about walking your dog is the conversations
you have other people. What kind of dog is that? Lovely?

(03:39):
You know, all that kind of stuff. But with the
headphones and you might say hello to someone, they don't
hear you, and then you go ruins your day because
you go to that guy just snobbed me, but it
turns out he just didn't hear you.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
It can be the plugs in be viligant, very vigilant.
And then you when you do respond, you yell out
a really creepily loud hello because you're listening to your
music so loud.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
You're like, good, yeah, even that it's a nice wee
mood booster. But you're quite right.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
But this texta says as comfortable Keith used to say,
if you see someone without a smile, give them one
of yours. That's cheers, ma maorene lovely.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
But just to shout out to the people at the
dog part, you are good people and there are good
people in this country. Right on to today's show after
three o'clock a video that you sent through that you
saw on Instagram last night. It's from a man. It's
from a Australian guy who calls himself fairway peppy, and
in it he describes the top five hours of the
workday where he does sweet buggle a bugger all. He

(04:34):
uses different language, but it's great and we'll plant for
you after three pm.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, we wanted do you know someone that slacks off
at your work or do you slack off at your work?
We want to talk about how you get away with
not doing any work and how you deal with someone
that's just slacking off all day. It's a very funny clip,
it is. But there's a lot of people dealing with
people that do very little.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Absolutely, you know, I've been in jobs before, I've done
very little.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
I'm not surprised by that.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
I'm in a job right now. I'm doing very little.
Right now, I'm almost I'm stationary, just talking to a mic.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Get nothing changes, that is after three o'clock. After two o'clock,
fertility rates are at record lows and economic pressures are mounting,
and the child free movement has been gaining momentum in
New Zealand. And that's according to an article this morning
talks to several Kiwi women who have chosen not to
have children.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Various reasons.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Some fair climate change, some is the cost of living situation,
and for many they just don't want to be mothers.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah. A friend of mine just had a baby this morning, actually,
and she's very happy about it. They are not rich,
that couple. It's a beautiful thing, but it's not for everyone,
is it.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
No.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
In fact, increasing numbers of Kiwi's are just saying never
to having babies. You know, And you know I was
saying before about it. You know, I didn't think particularly
think i'd be really into being a parent, but when
I was, it's been the most important thing in my life.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
All right, what have we got after one after one o'clock,
which is right now? Actually, let's have a chat about
New Zealand being the third safest place in the world.
So this was after a recent survey. They do it
every year by the Institute for Economics and Peace Global
Peace Index, and we actually bumped up the list. We're
fifth last year and now we're up to number three.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Kiwi.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
We have the my taste and it is measured on
twenty three different indicators. But that is I mean, when
I read that story this morning, that made me proud,
made me.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Very I love it.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
I love a list where we're near the top. And
I've got to say I generally do feel safer in
New Zealand that I may have even one two three
years ago. Yeah really, yeah, you feel safer absolutely right. Okay,
that's interesting. Well, we have to drill down into the
methodology of these international studies. One part of it that

(06:43):
I thought was odd and of the study and often
when you read these studies from from out overseas and
they describe what your country's like. You sort of go
really and one of the things they say in New
Zealand is that this kids walk to school, people move
doors unlocked, and motorists stop to help broken down vehicles.

(07:05):
There's a general trust in others and in the systems
around you. Does that describe the New Zealand that you
live in? Our people are our superpower said in New Zealander.
I mean that is a very utopia image of New Zealand.
I love it where the kids walk to school and
a lot of kids do work to school. I don't
know about the number of people that leave their doors

(07:26):
on unlocked.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Well, we've got a bunch of tecks coming through here.
What rubbish. New Zealand is not safe. I have had
my house broken into twice in the last fifteen years.
That would sound pretty funny for someone that lived in
Syria or something, or you know, Somalia. I had my
house broken to twice in the last fifteen years. First
time stole TV and a breadmaker. Wow, breadmakers useless.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I mean most we've all got them and never use them.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
It was either going to the garage and then I
don't mean make light of it, but how many breadmakers
still get used? There's another question we could ask second time,
stole nothing but left the door open, so I knew
they'd been in there. I mean, that doesn't sound like
the worst story I've ever heard. No, but it's not great.
You'd prefer people to come into your house and steal
your bread maker?

Speaker 6 (08:07):
True?

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, I leave my door unlocked for the kids when
they get home from school around the back. We live
in Mangoty. No problems ever.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Well, love to hear from you. I wait one hundred
eighty ten eighty A couple of questions here. One, how
do you feel about the safety of New Zealand right now?
Do you think we deserve the third safety as safe
ast country in the world? And do you genuinely leave
your doors unlocked? That utopiare of New Zealand that we
I think we did have in the eighties and nineties?

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Is it still there?

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Love to hear from you. Do you trust your neighbors.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
In the nineties When I was walking down George Street
and toned them in the nineties and someone punched me
in the back of the head, it wasn't all friendly
in the nineties.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
It's pretty good and Nelson. I've got to save the nineties.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Never locked my door, never robbed Livin Henderson. Chances are solo.
You will get burgled. I reckon deal with it when
it happens, but I refuse to live in fear.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah. Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call, love to hear your thoughts on this one?
Do you feel safe in this country of ours? And
do you leave your doors unlocked and trust your neighbors?
It is fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
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Speaker 4 (09:13):
It'd be news talks there be. It's seventeen pass one.
Do you think New Zealand is a safe country to live?
And according to a recent global survey, we come in
at number three of the safest countries in the world.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
So what do you say? Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
I'm getting it a little bit of kick back because
I said, who would want to steal a bread maker?
What use of breadmakers? They're just on the way to
landfill anyway. Yeah, if you Matt, while laughing at someone
stealing a bread maker. Very funny?

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Theft? Funny? Is it you are the problem with our country?

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Well, they are kind of like it's like a juicer, right,
we all we all love the idea of buying a
juicer and a bread maker, thinking that we're going to
make all these beautiful loaves of bread and all this
juice and we never use them. So if someone wants
to take my juice so they can have it, what I.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Don't give with a bread maker? And look, bless this person.
I'm sorry your bread maker is stolen. I get it.
But you know, in terms of your house being robbed,
all I'm saying is that you know something. It could
have been worse. But yeah, ideally you don't get your
bread maker. Stop. But my question is why do you
need a breadmaker? Can't you just make bread?

Speaker 6 (10:09):
Like?

Speaker 2 (10:09):
What do you need to breadmaker and make bread? Just
make bread?

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Yeah, that's a good points.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
You need an oven and bread stuff.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
I've never used one, but that's a good point. Oh,
one hundred eighty ten eight year is the number to cool?

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Simon. What do you think about this claim that we're
the third safest country in the world.

Speaker 7 (10:24):
No, firstly, I think you're just bibras.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
That a bit bit easier.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
But the smell looks so good though in your house
when you're when you're baking bread. Yeah, agreed, yeah, agree,
fresh bread with seat butter on it's so good if
you're can afford the butter.

Speaker 7 (10:38):
Yeah, at Leta's not talking about butter.

Speaker 8 (10:42):
Well, I've just recently.

Speaker 7 (10:44):
Moved from christ Church. We're in the middle of christ
Church and we've moved into out speaks much. But we
were in christ Church. You know, the kids didn't really
like walking down to the shop by themselves. You hear
them the bogans or boy racers at night doing burnouts
around and sirens and you know that the overall field

(11:04):
that kids, I suppose was it wasn't that safe.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (11:09):
Now we've moved about six months ago into Bench Branchla.
We don't even lock our doors. We don't lock our
doors anymore. On my way home now and as she
think the house is open and you know, it's just
safe and one about doorers that she said to us
she sleeps a lot getterer in our new house because
she feels safe.

Speaker 9 (11:29):
Yeah, yeah, so that's pretty cool.

Speaker 7 (11:32):
I would think it depends where you live with a house.

Speaker 8 (11:36):
Really.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, we won't to see exactly where in Banks Peninsula
Simon that you live. Now that you've said your doors
are locked. We'll keep it vague, shall we yah?

Speaker 7 (11:46):
Go?

Speaker 3 (11:48):
But it is, I mean, and that's.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Part of it, isn't it? Because you know, you want
your kids to be able to go out the door
and walk to school and walk to friends' houses and
such and not worry about them. That's that's a huge
part of feeling safe, not just your your own personal
safety or your house is safety, but your kids, how
they feel out on the street and how you feel
about them out on the street.

Speaker 8 (12:08):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 9 (12:10):
On the weekends, Oh no, something to you.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
It might be on the way to Banks Peninsular and
he's just at the black zone. We might try and
get Simon back. I don't think he's coming back, but
Banks Banks Peninsula.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
I think he's been mugged. I think he's been carjacked,
and on Banks Peninsula.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
That drops us down a notch withound to four now
oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. We're just going to play some messages,
but a lot of tips coming through as well, and
some good phone calls coming through.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
The sixth says they only steal the breadmaker if there's
no dough around.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Oh, very good.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
That's that's that's quite good from you. Well done texter.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, we like more of that, please, guys.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
I never locked the door. It locks itself. Great feature, fancy. Yeah, yeah,
your mind does. Is one of my automatic locks after
one of those forty five seconds.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
It must be nice.

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Speaker 1 (13:54):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast,
what's going.

Speaker 10 (13:58):
On at the universities. They've got what's called grade inflation.
A grades have gone from twenty two percent of results
to thirty five percent. Chris Williams, the chief executive of
Course of Universities New Zealand, is grade inflation recognized things?

Speaker 11 (14:09):
Look it is, but it's not necessarily a bad thing.
Over the last twenty years, every university had the same
pressures to basically lift graduate outcomes, and they've invested in that.

Speaker 10 (14:18):
You're saying that we bulped up the system because of that,
people do better.

Speaker 11 (14:22):
I can't consensibly say, but I know the report only
considers fourth actors, none of which are things like changes
in how teaching is done or all the systems put
around students.

Speaker 10 (14:31):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Rain Drover Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Afternoon.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
It's twenty four past one. Do you feel safe in
New Zealand? New Zealand has been ranked the third safest
country in the world according to the Institute for Economics
and Peace Global Piece Index, which is a bump from
number five last year.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, and I made some glib comments about a bread
maker being stolen, and the bread maker enthusiasts out in
force certainly are the breadmaker of ficionados. I have a
bread maker that was gifted by my mother in law.
It's been the best thing since sliced bread. I used
to make bread from scratch, which was very time consuming,
but now my bread maker does all the hard work.

(15:12):
We'll have time for other things. Plus I know what
exactly goes in my bread and don't have to worry
about the poisons from the ones in the supermarket. Love
your show chairs right now.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
And someone sent through a recipe for the best cheese
bread rolls. One cup of flour, one cup of grated cheese,
three quarters of a cup of milk, mixed, roll into
six balls, baked for ten minutes in the air frar
one hundred and eighty degrees. Oh my god, in my
gob from Gebbie.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Hmmm, yeah, look, I might be walking back my anti
breadmaker comments pretty soon with the outpouring of love for
the bread maker, and I will say, however, you're making
the bread with a bread maker or just in the oven,
there's nothing better than coming home to the smell of
bread cooking in a house. Yeah, it's phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Absolutely that there's a New Zealand I love. Oh, one
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Graham says, New Zealand is unsafe. I used to work
going door to door selling burglar alarms. It was really easy.
I would knock on the door and if no one
was home, I would just leave my business card on
the kitchen bench.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Very good.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Love that. That's an interesting technique. Someone come home and
finds a business card, They're like, yeah, okay, I need
this guy. Yeah, we've been derailed by bread maker yet,
Lionel says, I used I use my bread maker six
or eight times a year for hot cross buns. A
couple of practice runs, then easter.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Do you want to have a chat about your breadmaker?

Speaker 2 (16:27):
By all men could be showing my bread maker ignorance here, Pete,
there's no way you'd leave your doors unlocked.

Speaker 12 (16:36):
Yeah, no way going to go that last call, I said,
no way when they get your doors.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, yeah, so you wouldn't.

Speaker 12 (16:46):
No, I definitely know because the end of the day
straight away and it comes to insurance, you know, you're
just blowing your insurance that you're gonna light to the
insurance company that you lifted your right. That's number one.
You lost, just lost your cover on that. Why would
you do that? You know you just you know this.
I don't know what the stets are, but I think
it's pretty high of you by not locking your door.

(17:09):
I think getting so many people out there in our age,
people are hard up with money, these opportunitist out of
the Oreckon personally myself, you must see damn crazy by
not locking your doors. Why would you want to put
yourself through all that of someone breaking your house when
you left the door open open? You're actually a full personally.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Since you say that, pete around the insurance because the
only story I can find on this is I was
looking back at this and insurer this is slightly different,
but this isn't. December between twenty three, insurer told to
pay claim for house burgled after window left open.

Speaker 11 (17:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Not quite door, but kind of close. An insurance company
that tried to turn down a claim for a burglary
because the house had a window open has been told
pay up. The couple involved on the claim complaining to
the insurance and financial services on Budsman's scheme. They returned
home from holiday find their house had been burgled. Access
had been attained through a small window that had been
left open with a security stay. The insurance said this

(18:07):
was a failure to securely lock the house while they
were away and rejected their claim.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Well, there's good to know, so that was pushed back on. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
love to hear from your about how safe you feel
in New Zealand right now and if you still lock
your doors, because according to the survey, they paint a
picture of a New Zealand where the kids walk to school,
nobody locks their doors, and people pull over to help
someone who's broken down on the side of the road.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
And what's the number one safest country in the world
according to this Iceland?

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Right, So they're doing pretty well over in Iceland.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Russiakovic, Yes, so you've got three hundred and fifty thousand
people in a place about half the size of the UK,
so there's a good chance you won't run into anyone
to burgle or to assault.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
A lot of space there.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, love to go to Iceland. God, I'd love to
go to Iceland. Hi, guys, how safe you are or
field depends on where in New Zealand you live. As
for trusting your neighbors, it's probably not them you have
to worry about, but opportunists who don't live in the
immediate vicinity. Regards Tracy, Youah'll be interested to know. You know,
when you get burgled, is it people just going around
trying every door or are they watching you for a bit?

(19:13):
Or who generally burgles people?

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:16):
I think you know, when they take a burglar off
the street, when they if they actually investigate a crime
and find a burglar, often it's the same people that
are doing hundreds of burglaries. Yeah, you know that that.
You know, once you do one, you do another, and
another another, another, and another another another another. So taking
one burglar down can can make a big dent on
burglar stats in an area.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Have you ever been hurt?

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Have you yep? A couple of times?

Speaker 13 (19:38):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Stole my partner's engagement ring, tried to steal a bunch
of computer stuff, but got tangled up with all the
lead the extension courts, gods, and so when we got
home that was dragged out and then the desk was
blocking the door like an anchor in the were yanking
on it. Yeah, I mean I was pretty angry. There's

(20:00):
there's a feeling you get where you have just that
you've just been they've been in your house and they've
wronged you so badly. Yep, that makes you really really angry,
and especially someone that would steal an engagement room. Yeah,
you know, oh hundred and that was a lot long
with a lot of other jewelry. That was just a
particularly special part of jewelry.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is and umber
to call. Do you feel safe in New Zealand? And
if you have been hit by one of these dirt bags,
if you've been broken into love to hear what the story.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Was, and we'll share with you what the second most
safe country in the world is. You'll never guess if
I spoke better. Safest country in the world, not most safe, all.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Right, it's a boozy, all right. Bang on half past
one headlines with Wendy then we're taking more of your
calls on Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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(21:09):
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(21:30):
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(21:50):
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Now back to mattent Tyler.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we talk talking about
how safe do you feel in New Zealand after we've
got a ranking of the third safety safe at country
in the world. So number one was Iceland's yep, and
how he says it, rock Kovich, you're.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Asking the wrong person. Ninety two nine two.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
A lot of consonants you say that they love a letter.
But the most isolated country city in the world according
to the stextas saying maybe you're not getting a lot
of walk up fifth I don't know, but number two
number two is.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Ireland, yeah, good old Ireland.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah. And so what are the criteria for this rating?
Because you know we mentioned it before, so you know,
these international studies sometimes they don't track with the experience
on the ground.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
So there were twenty three indicators. I'll go through all
of them as quickly and as clearly as I can.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Twenty three can you can you just the highlights things, mate?

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Al right? External conflicts for perceptions of criminality, violent demonstrations,
political terra scale, armed services personnel, rate of the homicide,
rate of police, rate of nuclear and heavy weapons, political
and ability access to small arms. That's a bigger intensity
of internal conflict, incarceration rate, terrorism impact, refugees, peacekeeping, neighboring

(23:17):
country relations, violent crime, and internal conflicts fought. Well, you
see how we've got there, don't you, Because we don't
have ny X yep.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
We don't have anyone pressuring our pressuring our border because
we're in the middle of the South Pacific, in the
middle of nowhere. So you see how those things tack up,
don't you.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yeah, I mean that.

Speaker 14 (23:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
And where your house is getting burgled is down the
list a little bit there, isn't it Exactly?

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Oh yeah, and if someone works in insurance, because we've
been trying to get hold of the insurance council, the
Insurance Council of New Zealand to ask what the rules
are around if you get burgled and you haven't locked
your doors, whether the insurance company can deny your claim
or not. Yeah, but they haven't got back to us.
So if you know, if you're in the industry, it'd
be interested to find out. Eight hundred and eighty ten

(24:05):
at and welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Hello, Hello A Vaughn.

Speaker 14 (24:17):
Are you now?

Speaker 2 (24:18):
He isn't loud and clear?

Speaker 12 (24:21):
Thank you?

Speaker 8 (24:22):
I have been burgooked.

Speaker 15 (24:24):
It was invasive.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 15 (24:28):
We struggled through a two weeks after that, but it
was it actually targeted. I had bought some significant yacht
fittings and we went sailing on a Wednesday night, came
over nine wells and the garage should be built. Probably
about ten to fifteen wandsworth of yours was taken. The irony.

(24:50):
What alerted me was when I called it garage. My
dumb boots were and my sailing boots were parts neatly
because they put them down and take them with them.

Speaker 16 (25:00):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Right. Do you think this was a crime of opportunity
or do you think it was just they just randomly
came across across your place.

Speaker 15 (25:09):
No, that was a targeted environment. I believe when standing
in the nautical shop in the Avenue Road in the street,
they overheard the conversation because it was been across the
shop why did I need this particular fitting and what

(25:29):
having was going to be putting on my yacht? And
they knew.

Speaker 8 (25:31):
Exactly what so I speak.

Speaker 15 (25:33):
It was actually a target of environment. That was before
I sold security. After selling security for ten years, I
came to the conclusion the locked door only keeps an.

Speaker 8 (25:44):
Honest personal touch right.

Speaker 15 (25:48):
And invariably if people were burbal, I usually got phona
for and the costs that they expected me to turn
up within hours of discovering their verfery to have at
and organized for a security alarmed feet pusiness. But even
they were being bypassed because then it should know better

(26:10):
know how through five parts alarms.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
And your experience, in your experience as anyway to seal
upper house such that burglars just can't get in.

Speaker 15 (26:22):
No, No, if they really want what's in there, they
will target the alarm. They're always around it. They will
cut the window out. Lazy ones will just break that
door window and clive in and unlocked. There's most lots
be unlocked from their.

Speaker 17 (26:36):
Sides out with a m M.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
So, I mean the other thing is the.

Speaker 15 (26:42):
Other thing is that if you are burgled and significant
things like TV's things like that taken, be careful where
you go. They will be backwards in three weeks to
take what.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
You've bought through, right, So, I mean, yeah, got cha.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
So you you work the security industry, but you've kind
of taught yourself out of a job there that nothing
really will help, whether it's an alarm system or CCT.
Surely there's got to be tips that people can use
to try and protect themselves a bit better.

Speaker 15 (27:15):
Ye have been discreet about what you own and what
you buy. Yeah, right, yeah, having a relationship with the neighbors.
You never really laugh at this And there, as shears,
I discovered if I was really going to be worried
about where I lived in my security, I'd buy a
house within the reach of one of the base members
seeing house.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yeah, Avon, thank you very much for giving us a buzz.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
That I was on. Readit. I don't know why don't
spend your time on Reddit. Oh my god, that brain
erasure there. You might as well, be on TikTok no.
But I was on Reddit once and I was reading
an ama with a burglar and it was actually few
burglars came in there and they asked what would turn
them away? This is about two years ago, and they
said cameras. Right, Cameras are a big, big deterrent.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Good to know.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
If they really want to get in, they'll get in.
But cameras, if they see cameras, they're like that, it's probably not.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
With it noted I'm buying a camera after this. I
eight on hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
This person just tests through. Ironically, I'm listening to this
on my way to the store to buy some CCTV cameras.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yeah, it sounds like it works.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
In the safest country in the world. Yeah, third third
according to this.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
After Iceland and Ireland.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighties the number to
call got to play some messages. But when we come back,
we'll have a chat with Steve, who got robbed by
someone who should have been able to trust. It is
nineteen to two, a.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Fresh take on took Back. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams
Afternoons Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty
youth talks.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
B very good afternoons. You we are talking about the
safety of New Zealand. Do you feel safe in this country?
According to a recent global report, we came at number three,
the third safest country in the world, behind Iceland and Ireland.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Do you feel that I eight hundred eighty ten eighty
had a.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
House burgled three times in different suburbs, cast all and
once with steering lock on and a mobilizer within thirty
minutes of parking at work. Broken into different cars different
times about seven times, usually for stereos, speakers or belongings.
The six says of it and interrupted two burglars. Both
times it was people from out of town. First one

(29:21):
was the neighbor. What from out of town? But was
the neighbor? I don't get it. The first one was
the neighbor. Second one was in the house. I see,
I got so interrupted people from out of time. One
was in the neighbor's house, gotcha, gotcha? Three of them
in my house at two am. Managed to keep hold
of one of them until the cops got there. Didn't
feel safe at home for ages?

Speaker 3 (29:42):
That is freaking scary. Two am.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
I had a mate, right, he's a big fella yep,
but trained in the fighting, yep. Good man tonight and
he came home and found two burglars in his house yep.
And he said to them, you can either try and
come through me, or you can go off the balcony.
And they both decided to jump off the balcony, and

(30:05):
goodness is one of them broke his leg and the
other one ran away.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Yes, I'm sure it was disappointing. They took option be
uh eight is a number to call get a state.

Speaker 18 (30:18):
Yeah, two years ago with an event which created an
issue my scene with water argument, the insurance company around
to do a fix, so they got a contract around,
et cetera. They needed to replace the ceiling and painting
and that, and we were often hollowed down South for
a week in urs insurance coming it was okay to
letting them to see you're not a problem. So anyway

(30:40):
down south, get a phone call from a neighbor. Our
garage doors wide open Monday morning, no car, So they
went over here to look around. The place has been
cleaned out, TVs all the booze off the shelves or
the meat and the fridge. Tours the whole lot completely
cleared out. How long story short, uh contract had the

(31:05):
key somewhere for the painter come in the next morning,
a young laborer went down the pub tolds mates where
the key was. So around these sat Sunday night for
the car up because they took a car as well.
Insurance company said, not accepting any liability. Well, put my

(31:25):
contents claiming. I said, well, and the investigator came around
and I said, well, you're not going to question what
I'm going to be claiming because and you're going to
pay for the TV installation, et cetera. So they accept
liability but paid out of my claim et cetera. So

(31:46):
insurance company accessory my burglar.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Wow, that is complicated. Yes, And did you manage because
you know, it seems like a clear trail to to
who did it? So did you manage to find out
who the actual perpetrators were?

Speaker 15 (32:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (32:03):
Yeah, they it was a gang, a family gang that
we're doing the houses around there, and the father of
the guy that told them where the key was marching
down to the police station. And then when they when
they got the car, someone had dropped the driver's license
and the cars. It was pretty easy.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
That is a great.

Speaker 14 (32:27):
And then if some other stolen drawer in the house
is just swap it over.

Speaker 19 (32:34):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
So yeah, you know, I mean that is a massive
breach of trust though wasn't in the net situation Steve.

Speaker 14 (32:42):
Yeah, exactly. But when they when they investigated specifically, said
I'm sure it's coming. Don't any liability. You're on your own, mate.
I said, well, that's good, but you're not going to
question what I claim for because I was I'm minding
these people are buying bolt So my free and full
of e Phillip and my wife was a company that's

(33:04):
wholeso and sold liquor, credible of trulling a little above
invoices and all that for it. But yeah, it was
a bit disappoint an insurance company.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah that sucks, Steve, but I'm glad they paid out. Hey,
when buying CTV. When buying CCTV, get a system where
you can draw trigger lines. Is this text different, it's joel.
When someone walks over that line, it will send a
notification to your phone anywhere in the world. Also have
two times way speaker and light built into the camera
so that you can speak to the people. Make sure

(33:36):
to fit some of the CCTV at eye level so
that you can catch the person's face and can id.
Then if you have all your cameras up high, they
can just wear a hood or hat and you won't
be able to id them. Some good advice from Joel.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Absolutely, that's a great strategy.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Step away from my door, or you will go to jail.
Step away from my bread maker, or you will go
to jail.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Simone, how are you.

Speaker 9 (34:00):
It's Simon.

Speaker 20 (34:00):
I'm very one.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Thank you, Sorry, Simon, it's.

Speaker 21 (34:03):
Okay, no worries. Yes, I was burgled at my home
about six or seven years ago and walk with and
it was the middle of the day and all the
neighbors were home, it turns out, so that's never a guarantee.
And he jammied open my bedroom window I live in
a one story house and ransacked the place. But he

(34:27):
he robbed a poor person because he didn't get much,
but the police ended up finding out who it was. Yeah, hello, sorry, Yeah,
so he he actually took what he did take, which
I was very cross for that was a box of
things that was really special. So for ever there was

(34:48):
a fire, I could just run out the door. Like
every homemade card my kids had ever made me, you know,
stuff that.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Would be no value for him, but a huge amount
of value for you.

Speaker 21 (34:59):
Absolutely. But the reason I think he took it is
because it had my passports on the top. But instead
of tipping the whole box out, he just took the
pillow cases off my bed and sissed it all in there.
So I'll never get that back. But anyway, he left
some very good fingerprints because the detective came the next
day and they knew exactly who he was. They'd been
looking for him for a long time and before she'd

(35:21):
gone bush. Very very horrible guide I've met at it,
but a really nasty person, they told me. And he
was caught down in Hamilton a few months later in
a stolen car after robbing someone else.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
So do you know, you know if he was charged, Yes.

Speaker 22 (35:39):
He was.

Speaker 21 (35:39):
They the police told me that he'd probably spent about
six months in jail, but thankfully he was there for
about two years. He was that bad, right, Well.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
That's a good that's a good end to that story.
If he got done as often as we were saying before,
you know, it's the same people doing multiple burglaries. Yeah,
you know, people don't tend to just do one and
leave it. Yeah, they do one, and then another and
another and another another. Career robbers, so you know, hopefully
they can get pained for all of them when they
actually finally get pinged.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yes, absolutely right, coming up after we play some message.
We do actually have an insurance broker on the line
who can give us some information about whether it's actually
true if you don't lock your doors you're not going
to get a payout. So that is coming up very soon.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Because that's what this international study says, and it says
kids walk to school in New Zealand, people leave doors unlocked,
and motorist stopped to help broken down vehicles.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Yes, it is nine to two.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
We live in a utopia according to this report.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Tylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Newstalks EDB, New stalks HEDB. It is six to two.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
You're right about that feeling, Matt. When you have been burgled,
was hit a number of years ago, had everything locked
doors and windows. I don't always lock my door anymore,
but that feeling is terrible. Eric, you're an insurance broke ca.
So you may be able to answer our question we've
been trying to get the answer to if you don't
lock your doors, does that mean your insurance company can

(37:08):
not pay out on your claim?

Speaker 9 (37:12):
Yeah, Unfortunately it's not a simple answer. It's like every
single insurance right.

Speaker 8 (37:16):
So it comes down to most insurance.

Speaker 9 (37:19):
Policies to have a clause in them, which is basically
saying that you need to take to care and taking
due here I mean to mean different things in different situations.
So if you do live in a real property and
you don't lock your doors, and that's the normal thing
that everybody in the neighborhood does, right, then it could
be things that you have taken duke here, because it's

(37:39):
quite normal for that thing to go on. If you
live in the middle of a city and you know
most people lock their houses in the city, then the
insurance can look at that and say, well, have you
taken duke here, have you done everything you possibly can
to sure your items? You know that's reasonable. So it's
not kind of a black or white it's it's very
situational and you've got to be them kind of negligent

(38:03):
as well, So you know, for it really to be
something that they can go hard on.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Is it something that an insurance company would investigate before
they pay out? Are they asking those questions? Were your
doors locked or your windows lock? Had you taken duke
care as you say, Eric.

Speaker 7 (38:19):
Yeah, it normally would be.

Speaker 9 (38:21):
Any plary normally would have an investigator put onto it.
And that's not necessarily because they believe you're own You're
not a good person, It's just because that's that's generally
standard protocol for any any burglary type of situations and
the kind of questions that would get us, you know,
what kind of measures did you take your your property?
You know, there are some policies that actually have clauses

(38:42):
in them where if you say you've got a burger alarm,
you don't use that burgler alarm. The Empura can actually
decline your flaime on that basis.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Right.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Very interesting, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Thank you so much for clarifying that stuff, Eric as
best as you could. So it was New Zealand a
safe country? Is it the third safest in the world?
And your perspective Iceland first island US. I was running
the other morning, six am around my neighborhood and I
was running through a park yep and us. You know
I live in Central Auckland, Yeah, and I was thinking,
you know, I feel pretty safe in the city. I'd

(39:12):
actually watched that movie. It follows a horror movie, so
I was actually more scared of supernatural things than real,
real perpetrators.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
We've got a.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Problem with ghosts in this country. We've got to do
something about those.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Little bit of a shiver thinking about that movie it follows.
If you've seen it now, that is terrifying.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
Right, great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who
phoned and text on that one. Coming up after two o'clock.
A lot more couples and women are not having children.
And if that's you, we want to have a chat
with you. O what one hundred eighty ten eighties and
number to call? Why that's coming up?

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
It'd be afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
Great to have your company is always seven past too.
So an interesting article in the papers today and it's
about the number of women and couples in New Zealand
who are deciding not to have children. So fertility rates,
as we know, are at record low. There are economic
pressures out there, and the child free movement has been

(40:12):
gaining momentum in New Zealand. According to this article, so
it spoke to a number of Kiwi women about their
reasons for not having children, and the reasons, as you
can imagine, were quite variable. Some were worried about climate
change and they didn't want to bring a child into
a world that they feared might come to an end
at some stage, which is kind of a weird.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
That's an interesting one. I mean, humans have been having
children in challenging times for all of humanity's history. Yeah,
and you know change, climate's changing. But we're just talking
about Iceland before people are up there. Yeah, and people
live in the Saharo. Humans can live in a lot
of different climates.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
That is very true, very true.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
Many mentioned the cost of living, saying that they didn't
feel they could afford to bring up a child at
the moment, and many said they just did not want to,
They preferred or they really liked their life without children.
It meant that they could focus on their career. And
for the women spoken to in the story, they just
didn't have that maternal instinct. That was never something that

(41:11):
they felt when the pressure was on them at an
earlier age to say when are you going to have children?
They just never felt that maternal instinct.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
It's interesting, isn't that?

Speaker 11 (41:21):
So?

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Are you concerned about this? That's our one point five
to six berths per woman fertility rate. Are you concerned
about that? If you chosen not to have a child.
Be interesting to hear? Why. I mean, it's one hundred
percent up to you if you want to have a
child or not. Yeah, why, it's interesting that you don't
feel very maternal. And look, it's different for males. But

(41:43):
I wasn't a very paternal or nurturing person before I
had children. Never. I was never one that when google
over babies. In fact, I believe that the first baby
I ever held maybe my little sister when I was three.
They might have let me held.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Her briefly, yep, but briefly.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
But I don't think i'd ever held a baby until
I was handed my firstborn son. And then I tell
you what there was there's a whole lot of paternal
instinct that kicked in hardcore from then to the point
where I'd say that my two sons and being a
dad is the most important thing to my identity, and
you know, my kids are the thing I'm most proud of.

(42:22):
So I went from not giving a crap about kids
and babies and cute stuff to just being full on
dad mood.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
So, what happened when when you held your firstborn for
the first time? Was it almost like a switch went off?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Or I mean when you had the when I had
the first kid. Yeah, it's a weird thing because it's
not exactly like that. It's not like you suddenly go boom,
but sort of that happens over time. But what it
does give you, and I believe what having a child
gives you is for the first time in your life,
you would happily give up your life for another being.
If you're in a situation and this may sound dramatic,

(42:59):
Let's say you're on a sinking ship and you had
an opportunity to hand your child up to the boat
and so you sink and die, you would happily do
that for your child. And that's the first time. I know,
it's a very clear feeling that you would with glee,
go my God, think, thank goodness, I got to save
my child. You know, you wouldn't even think about it.
So I think that's that's a big change. But and

(43:23):
the other thing is you go, well, look, my purpose
in my experience, this is my experience is different for
other people, but in my experience, it suddenly gives you
a focus. You go, well, I've got to go and
make some money so this person can live in a
house and can be feared.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
It's a lovely thing.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
And then so that the clarity of focus is quite
good to go, oh, this is why I work, you know, yeah,
this is why I go to work, you know, forty
fifty hours a week.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
Their purpose and motivation. I've got to look after this
little human being. What I got to say is, you know,
I'm almost forty, and I think I mentioned on the
show before that ideally love to have children, and we're
working through that process. But a lot of the baby
check comes up in friend circles. And it's pretty clear
now I'd say probably forty percent of our friend circle
have to that they're not that fust on having children.

(44:12):
And one very close friend, Acshley, she has made a
point that says, no matter what, she just does not
want children. So whether I don't know if it's the
maternal thing never never flicked a switch. But she just
she loves her life now. She loves her career, She
loves the ability to travel, she loves the ability to
not have that responsibility of looking after a child in

(44:34):
her life. And she is incredibly comfortable with that decision,
which I find incredibly interesting, And I imagine it sounds
like there's a lot more people out there who are
starting to think like that.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, it's an interesting one because I mean I'd be
interested to hear from people on O eight undred eighty
ten eighty who didn't think that they would have the
maternal instinct or the parental instinct and then that changed massively. Yeah,
because until it's your child, I mean, before I had children,
aren't you know it's your child's very different from children

(45:05):
in general, you know what I mean, when the responsible
he's put on you, I feel like a lot of
stuff comes into play here. This stix says, I wouldn't
want to entrap children in lifetime of work in slavery
and government programming that we all have to deal with.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Well, I mean that is quite a full on outlook
on life.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
But I just think about my son as he goes
to university, and it seems to be having the best
time you can possibly imagine. I don't know, I don't
know if he's looking at this life in those terms.
I think he's I think he's got it pretty good,
to be honest.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Love and life at the moment. Oh eight one hundred
eighty ten eighty. If you've decided not to have kids,
would really like to have a chat with you. Why,
What were the reasons? And if you thought you were
never going to have children and then one came along,
maybe it was a surprise. Did that change you were thinking?

Speaker 11 (45:51):
This?

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Texas says, So you're saying that you wouldn't give up
your life for your partner, because I said I would
happily give up my life a cat. That's a really
interesting thing, and it might be a trick of biology, but.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
I'm say it, say it.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
I don't know about that one.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
The hesitation. Maybe i'd run.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Into a burning fire.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
Yeah, okay, you do it, but maybe not with a
smile on your face.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
It's not as clear in my head. But probably push
push comes to shop, I probably would.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
All right, good news it is that pass.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
To your home of afternoon talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talk said,
be for.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
A good afternoons you at sixteen past two. So a
number increasing number of New Zealand women and it's the
same around the globe of choosing not to have children
at greater rates than it's ever happened. And the question
of puts you is, if you've decided not to have
children in your life, what was the reason?

Speaker 2 (46:48):
What about the dudes? There must be a bunch of
dudes that are choosing not to have children. I've got
a bunch of mates that are male that have chosen
not to have children.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
It's a very good point.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Actually, have they chosen not to have children? I'm not
sure they just haven't. I've never really asked them. We
live in the hardest, grimmest times. Really, our leaders don't
care about us. How could you have a child? How
cruel to bring them into the world. That's before you
bring in the damage they will do to the planet
across their lives. Children, No, thank you, not fear on them,
me or the planet. We definitely don't live in the

(47:18):
hardest times. No, I mean you should look up some
of the other years in history. We actually arguably live
in the easiest times that humanity has ever lived in. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Yes, so you've hit the jackpot in life, really considering
what we've got around arts and and how good most
of our lives are.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Quite right, what's the worst year in history? I'll look
that up. It's five sixty was it five sixty seven?
I'll read some of the details that's coming around. Yeah, Nicole,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 23 (47:45):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (47:46):
Hi.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
How are you pretty good?

Speaker 23 (47:49):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (47:49):
How are you very good?

Speaker 2 (47:50):
So have you chosen not to have children? Is that correct? Nicole?

Speaker 23 (47:55):
Yeah, my own children. I'm open to adoption leader in life,
but yeah, I don't want my own children.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
And why is that? It sounds like you've made a
conscious decision there. Why is that? What are you? What's
your raisoning there? I mean, it's absolutely up to you.
But what are your thoughts on it?

Speaker 6 (48:14):
Well?

Speaker 23 (48:14):
I have a long list, actually, but I think a
lot of it was based on how I was brought up.
I had I have multiple siblings, I have multiple step siblings,
and I grew up with my mother looking after all
the neighborhood kids. So my house was always very noisy,

(48:36):
very chaotic, with lots of children. It was you know,
a lot of fun, but it was you know, you
had to share everything, nothing was your own. And then
when I was a teenager, my mom had my youngest brother,
and I've been helping look after him since then, and

(48:56):
he's about to turn seventeen. He's just gotten his learners.
I drive him everywhere. I kind of feel like I've already,
you know, been a parent as much as I can be.
I'm in my early thirties and I just really want
a break before I even would consider having my own
kid personally.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
So the idea of adoption later in life, Nicole, you
don't want your own children, Why does that appeal to you?

Speaker 23 (49:27):
Why does adoption appeal to me? Yeah, I just never
felt the need to have my own kid. I think
a lot of people feel like, or what I've heard is,
you know, they want a little mini me, they want
a little version of themselves and things like that. But
I never felt the need to have my own child.

(49:48):
I could love a child even if it wasn't biologically mine.
So I feel like, if you have that capability, why
not help a kid that's already out there and needs
somebody like instead of, you know, just bring me another one.
In yourself. So I'd rather help one that's already you know.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Lovely philosophy and you're going to have you ever investigated
that that pathway?

Speaker 23 (50:16):
I did look it up online a few years ago.
It is a quite lengthy process. It depends if you
go to domestic or international. You're looking at quite a
few fees. I think for internationalists they say that you
could spend anywhere between you else upwards of ten thousand
dollars or even more depending, So it's you know, it's
not cheap, and it's not a short process.

Speaker 6 (50:35):
Ye.

Speaker 23 (50:36):
I still feel like that's a much better option, and
also you don't have to stress about I think a
lot of women you get told constantly and reminded by
society that your biological clock is ticking. So that's always
an option if you would like to adopt as well.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
To avoid those conversations when people ask you, Nicole, why
haven't you had kids? Or when are you going to
have kids? Do you try and steer away from those
conversations or you're pretty upfront?

Speaker 23 (51:07):
I honestly, I don't really get ask too much now.
The main person that asks is my mother, and she's
been asking and bugging me to give her a grandchild
for about twelve years, so I try to change the subject.
I've told her multiple times I'm not having children, but
she's just aby crazy. She's always loved kids, so I understand.

(51:30):
But she's always bugging me more than my other multiple siblings.
So I don't know if she just knows that her
teats me, or or she thinks I'm the most maternal.
I really don't know, but yeah, I try to change
the subject.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't that? Because I mean
I can mention a mother bringing it up, but I
certainly can't imagine bringing it up with someone. No, not
just going up to a friend that has a kids
and going why don't you have kids? Yeah, I mean,
but people people that don't have kids, and woman as
Nicholsi's the biological clock, say that they feel that pressure
all the time, and people feel like people are bringing

(52:07):
up all the time. Who would bring it up?

Speaker 3 (52:09):
I've seen it.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
I mean it's usually when you're on the drink and
then someone so someone's had a few wines and they'll
come up to one of the friend group who doesn't
have children and they've had a very good.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Career and then I'll hear it.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
I'll hear it across the table and say, so when
you getting married, when you must be having kids soon?

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Is that simes ticking? Is that dude on dude or
or woman on woman?

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Woman on woman?

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Usually I'd say, I don't want to be unfair here,
but probably eighty percent of the time it's woman on woman.
Might no higher than that. Actually, you're quite right.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
If I was at a bar and I went up
to one of my friends that has ned kids, and
I said to her, why having your head kids yet,
I would expect to get a glass of wine thrown
my face.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call, Nicole, Thank you very much for your phone.
Well really enjoyed that chair.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Iike's the poor person earlier text thing that the world
is too awful for children, such a sad outlook. It's
the climate change ideology that a lot of our young
have been raised to believe self extinction of the West
via misplaced guilt. Yeah, nice means And that year that
was the worst year ever of people because that person
was saying before that we live in the hardest time ever.
Look up five thirty six ad that was a bad year.

(53:22):
That was a bad year. Eighteen months of darkness after
a volcano in an Iceland. Yeah, terrible.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
When you told me to look that up about six
months ago, that was grim. That was grim reading.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
That was a tough year.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Mysterious fog, crop failure and famine, societal collapse. Come out
the back of it. Get the plague. Terrible.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
Twenty twenty five is a pretty good year.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Why loove thirty six? Bad time to have kids?

Speaker 4 (53:43):
Yeah, if you've decided not to have kids, really can
never check with you. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eight years a number to call. It's twenty three plus two.

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Speaker 4 (54:50):
You are you right there? Mate?

Speaker 6 (54:52):
Ye?

Speaker 3 (54:53):
It was a big gold of man shake.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
It's truth the wrong.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Don't die me mate, Yeah, yeah right.

Speaker 4 (54:59):
We are talking about the reduced fertility rate in New Zealand.
And there's an article this morning talking to a bunch
of women are in New Zealand who have decided not
to have children for various reasons. Sometimes it's the cost
of living and they think they can't afford a child,
but a lot of them just do not want to
have children.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
The Texas says, my husband and I decided we don't
want kids. We're telling them tonight, Adam, welcome to show.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
Get a guys.

Speaker 24 (55:26):
Hey, great topics, so relevant and very interesting.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Thanks Ed.

Speaker 24 (55:32):
It certainly is the best time ever in human history
to be alive. I can't believe that text you got earlier.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
It's concerned that people can't see that. It worries me.

Speaker 24 (55:43):
It really is. But then we come to why me
and my partner historically were staunchly against having kids, and
we seriously got sucked into the modern rhetoric that has
fed to us all that the world's ending because of
the climate, and it just leaves you with a feeling
of why would I bring someone into this world? Among

(56:06):
other things like cost of living, historic housing situation like renting,
the potential to move at a moment's notice. It doesn't
exactly leave you with a whole lot of confidence. But
at the age of twenty nine, we're in our We're
in our own home now, and I've a I've got

(56:27):
a fantastic career. And a few years ago, my grandfather
was on his deathbed dying of cancer, and of course
cancer being slow and drawn out and as ugly as
it is, he was surrounded by family and love the
entire time, and you can't help it. Put yourself in
his shoes when you're when you're watching that happen, and

(56:50):
a little switch flipped in my head that basically said,
what about when you're that age and you're dying of cancer.
So with coming to grips with the reality that the
world's not ending because of the climate, and sitting in
a good house, in a good career. We're expecting our
firm next January.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Oh well, congratulations, thank you very much.

Speaker 24 (57:14):
But it's very interesting and we certainly historically just really
didn't want kids. We enjoyed money, we enjoyed our time,
we've been traveling, and now we're expecting one. We couldn't
imagine not having one. Now all the little magic moments
are happening, and as a belly's growing and we just

(57:36):
can't wait.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
It's funny. Congratulations, that's that's fantastic, and sorry to hear
about your dad. It's interesting the one about finances and
people saying they can't afford a kid, because for me,
when I first had a kid, I suddenly became very
focused on making money, more than I had ever been before,
and so I think it actually motivated me because me
and my partner, we were just happy to eat fish

(57:57):
and chips, and live in you know, average places, and
you know, travel around and all that kind of stuff.
But I never actually had the motivation to seriously make
some money to try and set up someone. You know,
it can change your mindset such that you do make money.
Do you see what I'm saying in them?

Speaker 24 (58:15):
Certainly I do, absolutely, And certainly now I'm very comfany
in my job and I'll go with the flow of
go with the flow of my career. But now with
a child on the way, I'm looking at the size
of my house and I'm thinking, oh, what would I
need to be on to upside? And now I'm having
those having those thought processes to where can I go

(58:38):
where I'm making even bigger money to support that family
that I'm about to have and give them the space
to breathe and grow. So certainly I agree.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
And it certainly makes sense for me. This is just
from my perspective, and everyone's different, obviously, but from my perspective,
it makes more sense to be working fifty hours a
week and look, you know, someone's going to look after
the kids, and it gets very complicated with the working
and all that kind of stuff. But if you have
a direct reason to be working. You go, well, this
is securing my child's future. So I found it very motivating,

(59:11):
you know, because I was just wanting to basically live
on the street. I'd be quite happy to a certain extent,
you know what I mean, till till I had someone
till how old did you say you were, Adam twenty nine?

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Did you say twenty nine?

Speaker 24 (59:23):
And my partner's thirty.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and it might just be a
function of become getting a little bit older as well,
because I mean it's you know, and I know back
in the day, you sort of just had kids by
a matter of course, you know, you know, for the
longest time in our history, kids just sort of started
coming around. You're twenty one. But now that we make
a decision to have kids, contraception coming in and such

(59:47):
over the last one hundred years, fifty years, particularly sixty
seventy years, you know, you just started having kids, so
before you even thought about it. But maybe you weren't
even change things. Yeah, so you would have been going
through that stage when you're twenty one, twenty two, up
to twenty five, you're like, well, you know, you're not
really in that mindset yet, you.

Speaker 24 (01:00:07):
Know, Oh no, way, no way, And it just it
just wouldn't have happened. We were educated, we know how
to be safe. It just wasn't even on the cards.
Wasn't a thought process.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:00:19):
But as you say, when you get older, things change,
and certainly as you learn more about the world. And
I'm a bit of a science geek, and when I
I followed a rabbit hole of research about the planets
and the climate and realized it was all absolute bollocks
that just fed to us to keep us watching the
news and keep us scared. The climate's not going anywhere,

(01:00:42):
the planet's not going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
We're fine.

Speaker 24 (01:00:44):
And that in conjunction with with my my my family tragedy,
it just a switch flipped and was like, I've so
much loved to give. What's the meaning of life? To
live and to love as much as you can? And
how can you love more than having a family?

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
So sure, Yeah, what an insight.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
And when people say that it's a terrible place, I
mean I always go back to, like say, the Punic Wars,
you know, when Rome and Carthage were fighting each other. Yeah,
I mean that would be when you actually actually know
that a nearby state city, state in these cases. Actually
they're trying to kill you, and that's their thing to
both kill you, burn everyone to the ground, and burn
your whole city to the ground.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
Yeah, I mean that they would suck to be alive
then having to face that on a daily basis.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
As opposed to this person that's texting and from PONSB
saying that they're living the hardest time of Yeah, hard
times in history.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
But I'll tell you what won't be good for humanity
if we stop having babies. You can guarantee that that
if we stop having babies, there is no more humanity eventually.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Oh, listen to you bloody handmaid's tale, trying to force
women to have babies they don't want, just so that
they can work and pay for your retirement.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Tyler didn't say that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Oh eight hundred and eight two.

Speaker 6 (01:01:55):
Right O.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to
call if you've changed your mind about having children later
in life.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Love to hear from it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
If you didn't think you'd ever be a parent, and
then by happy chance or it was planned, oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty as a number to call, and if
you have decided full stock that children are not for you.
We're really keen of a chat with you. Why it
is twenty seven to three.

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Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Thank you very much, Wendy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
And we are discussing the increasing number of couples out
there deciding not to have children and if that's you,
really can never cheat with you. I which on one
hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Here's a test on nine two nine two sexist conversation.
Guys on female forty three always wanted kids, but but
enough to do it on my own. Been through three
long term partner since I was twenty one, and all
indicated they wanted kids, but when it came to the
crunch they wouldn't. All partners still don't have kids with
other partners. All partners still don't have kids with other partners.

(01:04:00):
I have a knack for picking them. Many guys out
there are choosing not to have them. Why is that?
Ps I've happily resigned myself to not having them and
don't feel like I'm the other one out. But my
question is why is it a sexist conversation?

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
Yeah, where as you mentioned before, there's a lot of
men who have decided not to have kids for whatever reason.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
We're not particularly talking about females that decide not to
have kids. We're talking about people in general that decide
not to have kids. But yeah, yeah, your three long
term partners that will indicated they want to have kids,
but then when they came to crunch they wouldn't. Yeah.
You can't be indicating that you're will, you want to
and they're not doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
That is unfair. Yet, that's cruel.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
That ain't cool, Samuel, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (01:04:41):
Yeah killed her?

Speaker 19 (01:04:45):
Yeah, Yeah, i'm myself. Yeah, I've got I've got six
children of my own and yeah, my wife and I
am my wife started started a lot later in life
having children. She was the thirty six and she had
her first child.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Wow, so you've had she's the first kid, thirty six
till and you've had six kids? So how old is
she now? If you don't mind me asking?

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
Forty three?

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Oh? Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Right? Wow you yeah, well done. You made up for
lost time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Busy, busy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
Yeah, and so why was there a decision not to
have children to that point or was there there are
another reason why you left a little bit later.

Speaker 19 (01:05:28):
So I had two children in my younger years, in
my early twenties before I met my wife, and and yeah,
my wife, she she had never been with anyone until
she met me and when she was thirty four, and
so she really wanted to have children, and we just

(01:05:49):
decided that was fine and we just went with it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
So you on eight in total now six in total
sex and total, so two before four? Yeah right, Okay.
I was trying to do the math between thirty sex
and forty three and sex kids, right, so that's four
kids she had between thirty sex and forty three. Yes, yeah, right, right, okay, yeah,
do the math on that one.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
And she always wanted multiple kids, Samuel.

Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
Yeah, she did.

Speaker 19 (01:06:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she wanted to have five of her own.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Right, And but you're stopping it.

Speaker 19 (01:06:20):
In four, No, we're my wife still wants to have
another one, yeah, to make up there five.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
So and how has that been for you having all
these children to bring up? Because people are talking about
a lot one of the main reasons why people are
choosing not to have kids. Is the financial side of it,
So you've got six, four in recent years. How are
you dealing with that? That the cash side of things? Samuel, Yeah,
we're I'm.

Speaker 19 (01:06:46):
A business owner, so my wife's a teacher.

Speaker 8 (01:06:48):
But it kind of just works out.

Speaker 19 (01:06:49):
The things and yeah it's fine. Yeah, so we look
comfortably and yeah we've got everything we possibly need and yeah,
no complaints and so we're we're happy to Yeah, just
have the kids.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Love it, love it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
I mean even at forty three that you are now, Samuel.
And and how old are your kids? By the way,
I should be able to do the mass, but I can't.
So your four kids that you've had with your current wife,
how old are they?

Speaker 19 (01:07:17):
So the youngest is thirteen months, and then we've got
three year old, five year old, seven year old, and
then my older two are thirteen and fourteen.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
O lovely, but going you know, forty three now that's
traditionally now that wouldn't be seen as that old of appearance,
you know what I mean. It's people are having kids
later and later in life. Do you do you feel
like you're an old appearance with kids that young?

Speaker 19 (01:07:43):
No, No, I feel as just as young as I
feel because My wife and I both sport and exercise trained,
so we stay pretty fit.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:07:53):
And actually three of our kids actually have diverse disabilities
as well, so we've we've got a medical kind of
lifestyle happening as well. So yeah, five year old has
instage kidney disease. Wow, our seven year old has Hoy's
AUTI them and our older son has ADHD and dyslexia.
So it's it's a challenge.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Yeah, we just live with it, I bet.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
And what about your older kids from the from the
first relationship the thirteen forty do they live with you
some of the time or all the time?

Speaker 19 (01:08:24):
You've got all our kids so yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Yeah, and do the do the older ones help out
with the with the younger ones?

Speaker 22 (01:08:30):
They do?

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yeah, because that you used to always be the way
with the big families, right, So the older kids ended
up doing a lot of the parenting for the younger ones,
but not so much these days when you just have
two kids about the same age. All the best with that, Samuel,
and thank you so much for sharing his story there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Yeah, you're a lucky man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
So if he's got he's got six, so he's he's
beating the fertility rate. Of So the current fertility rate
in New Zealand's one point five to six. So he's
smashing that with six. Yeah, absolutely smashing that fertility rate.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
World Une, Samuel and Wife, Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number of girl coming up. We're
gonna have a chat to a gentleman who had a
vizectomy reversal. Great story, that is all I can see there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
There's a mir on the West coast. Someone will be
able to tell me his name that. I think he
said a vasectime reversal or a vasectima reversal, vissectim reversal
and a vasectomy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
It's a great fact.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Someone can tell me if that's true, that on the
West Coast. I think he was the great Gray District mayor.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
Not Tony Cockshawn. I think we're Cockshawn has a Cogshawn.
He's a great man. I think he's had the old
snippet reverse a few times.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Is he quite an amusing name for a guy that's
been through that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
It's seventeen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
used talks that'd be.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
It is fourteen to three and we are discussing the
decision of many couples in New Zealand growing to not
have children and a FETs you were eight, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty or if you decided to have
children later in life you never thought that you wanted
kids then it happened. We can chat with you as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
The sexas says I didn't want children because I was
having a great time career wise in traveling. Then I
didn't have any partners I could trust to have kids with.
I wanted a family, not just kids. I was open
with people whenever I was asked about not meeting untrust
untrustworthy men, and I was asked a lot in New
Zealand compared to overseas. Later I met my husband, who
was wonderful. I did pause over the climate problem, as

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I know others who don't want kids because of that.
Just one second bringing out the end of this text,
because I know others that don't want kids because of that.
We have two kids now and love them dearly. I
never appreciated how easy it is to leave the house
as two adults, though until having kids. Well, it certainly
changes your life, but they're little smiles and hugs make

(01:10:48):
up for the rest. It's an interesting one. A when
you do have kids, you wonder what you did with
your time before you had kids, because before kids, you like, boy,
I seem to be pretty busy, and then you have
kids and you go, oh my god, I must have
had so much free time.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
I don't know what busy meant.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Michael, Welcome to the.

Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
Show afternoon guys. Love your show.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Thank you, Michael.

Speaker 5 (01:11:11):
I thought i'd share with you and the other listeners
a funny story of personal story. I have a son
and two daughters. The son was born to with my
previous wife, and after about a year afterwards, she said, hey, listen,
I don't want any more children. I'm happy with what
we've got. Would you please have a vasectomy? And I thought, yeah,

(01:11:33):
that's fine. I wasn't expecting life to unfold the way
it does. That's fine. So I had a vasecto me
And then when the sun was about six years old,
we broke up and he went and lived with her,
and several years later I met someone else, and in
due course we ended up getting married as a couple,
and after that wanted to have a child, and she

(01:11:57):
knew that I had had a vasectomy reversal. So we
go off of vasectomy. So we go off to some
specialists who says, now, look if I took a piece
of hair out of your head, snipped it in half,
rejoined it so that the flow through it still worked,
that's what you're asking me to do. I said, yep,
that's what I'm asking you to do. So I had

(01:12:18):
the operation and yay, was successful, and we had our
first daughter together. And then after about six or nine months,
we said, hey, let's have a Let's have another one.
Doesn't matter if it's a boy or girl, but let's
have a second child. And so we start trying and
there was no success, and so my wife got checked

(01:12:39):
and she was fine. So I got checked and I said,
oh no, you've a sectomy reversals closed up. You need
another one. So I had another one and it was
successful and we had our second daughter. There's a story
for you. Ye I never thought that. I never thought
i'd have kids when I left school and was in

(01:13:00):
my twenties, but you change and it was great. I
love all three of them. They're fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
So the process you'd be feeling pretty sort of comfortable
with the process now for the vix vaseect to me
reversal the sect to me process.

Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
Yeah, i won't be doing any more reversal time.

Speaker 24 (01:13:19):
I'm well passed.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Thank you for you call, Michael, and thank you for sharing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Yeah, what a great story.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
I'm not hearing any evidence on claim that Mere Coxshawn
one time, Mere Coxhn of Gray District than the West
on the West Coast has had what did I say,
the sect to me reversal ver sect to me, reversal
ver sect to me, reversal.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
Three of them. Yeah, yeah, I mean this sounds like
a story mate. Someone heard his name Tony Coxshawn and
then whispered in your ears. You know that guy. He
said three sect to me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
See if we can get Tony Coxshawn on the phone
and asking this.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
He's a good man.

Speaker 12 (01:13:54):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
Coming up, after the we play some messages, we're gonna
have a chat to someone who thinks people need to
think about what life will be like an old age
if they decide not to have kids. That's coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
It's ten to three, the issues that affect you and
a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talk.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
Sa'd be very good afternoon. It is seven two three.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
No confirmation yet on where the X mirror of Gray
District Tony Coxshawan has had the verseekt to me reversal
versect the me reversal verseekti me reversal that I've claimed.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
We are going to do some deep research into the
heat and get Tony on the phone at some station.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Normally normally nine two, nine to two on the text
machine is across answering these questions for me when I
throw out these wild allegations. But he's a great man,
Tony Cockshaws. He has sean to spend a bit of
time with them and on the coast, I've been doing
stuff over there, wonderful human being. Absolutely just can't confirm
how many vi sect to mes and reversals his head yet.
We'll get onto that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
We'll get to the bottom of that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Absolutely good afternoon, guys, and sorry for this, but it
is the truth. Texts of yours that say they did
not have children because of the climate issue are the
manifestation of the word paramore paranoid. Have a good day, Yeah, thank.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
You very much.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
Sir Rish, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 6 (01:15:10):
Good? Hey, there's people who say that we don't want
children because I enjoy my lifestyle and I can go
on holidays and I can do whatever they want. But
you sit there and there are kind of milestones in life,
you know, like your teenage years, like your school years,
like your university years. Having children is a milestone. And

(01:15:34):
if you don't have that milestone, you've got something missing.
You miss out on that milestone. And then the other
thing is that when they get old, who are they
going to love and who's going to give them love.
I've been to a lot of restaurants and you see
people just lying there, nobody to do till nobody comes
in and and nothing happening. So have they ever thought

(01:15:57):
about that? What's going to happen to them when they
get old?

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
With the millstone, what she wished? What age do you reckon?
There's a good age to have kids? Then for a milestone,
So in your teenage years you rack it up. Do
you rack it up through your twenties as well? And
in kids in your in your thirties.

Speaker 6 (01:16:14):
Or the best things go to have kids is when
you you're stable in terms of your own income and
then you can you're in a position to provide something.
There's no point in any kids if you're not stable yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
Yeah, yeah, well thank you wis wise words. A couple
of texts to wrap this one up. Hey, guys, before kids,
I had plenty of time practicing making kids. Have two
now and now I have all the time in the world.
That's from Wayne. And this one get ay, guys on
forty eight today and have my third grandchild two days ago,

(01:16:50):
two daughters before twenty two. Been with my wife since
I was seventeen. Kids are the meaning of life for me.
That's from Tim. It's lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
The sixes. Don't tell me to have kids, you're fascist.
It's my choice. You know, no one was telling you
to have kids. We were just discussing an interesting stat
that fertility rates are very low in New Zealand. We're
just asking why people that are choosing not to have
children are choosing not to have children. Yes, we certainly
don't have the power to force you to have children.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
Even if I wanted to, even if he wanted to. Yeah,
and sometimes you do want to, but you don't have
that power.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
If I could just wave my hand and make people
pregnant babies.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
What a world that would be.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Increase the futility rate to one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
You don't deserve that power, right, great discussion. Thank you
very much to everyone who called and text on that one.
Really enjoyed that. Coming up after three o'clock a fantastic
video that's going viral at the moment, but it describes
this gentleman describes the top five hours of the workday.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Where he does sweet bugger all.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
So we want to have a chat to you about
if you've got people like that in your workplace or
you're one of them the muck around time, so to speak.
We'd love to hear from you on O eighte hundred
and eighty ten eighty and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
We're still following up with Tony cockshawn.

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
I've got a number for them, so I'm going to
give them a call once we get into the news.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
I know exactly how many viscectomies and reversals head.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
That's coming up after three o'clock New Sport them where
they're on its way to matt and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Good afternoon, Your new.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Homes are insateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie and Taylor
Adams afternoons on News Talk Sevvy.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
Welcome back into the show. Six past three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Okay, so before we go into the next topic, we've
got to put mere Cockshawn from gray Town, from the
Gray District, sorry on the West Coast, so he was
mayor up until twenty nineteen, I believe. And in the
last hour when we were talking about fertility rates in
New Zealand, I made the extravagant claim that me and

(01:18:45):
Tony Coxshawn no relation to Sean Johnson, has had a
vasectom a reversal aves zect tom a reversal, a vicectame
a reversal. Correct, and you rolled your eyes at me,
oh Tyler, and the text machine on nine two nine
two was suspicious that I might be making it up.
But we can confirm, we can confirm you have just

(01:19:06):
been on the phone to ex meor Tony Coxshawn yep
of the Gray District and on the Gold Coast.

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
Still a great man and he still tells a great yarn.
But I got to say first thing straight out of
it because I just put it to him straight and said, Tony,
we've heard, we've heard this rumor. Can you confirm or
Deny and he's in the airport going to the Goldie.
I'm probably saying too much. You're already sorry, Tony, and
he said in a very whispery voice because he's in
the quarter lounge and just moving away from his beautiful wife.

(01:19:33):
Said yes, but I've been trying to I've been trying
to lose this for the last couple of years. Year bugger.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
So yeah, so that is confirmed.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
And so it's confirmed the sick to me reversal, the
sick to me reversalver sect to me reversal. So he's
currently what's his current status of him? I'm not overstepping
the bounds by asking. I think the last so the
last thing he did was a reversal. No, so he's
had another. Last one was the shut up shop again,
take me down shop? Was open, shot closed, yep shop reopened,

(01:20:06):
yep shot closed, yep shot red open, yep shot closed.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
That's where it ends. That is where the story ends.
So so good to confirm that. And Tony, enjoy your holiday, mate,
But you're you're a bloody good sport. He's a good man.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Wow, good on.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
Yeah, but he can't escape it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Who's that guy you see? Driving around Auckland. The vast
Man what he calls it. Yeah, there's like a number
plate the vest man. Does you know a very successful
doctor in that area? So he's o fay with the
city mid or as another one.

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
Yeah, he did say you got a discount for the
last one. As you'd expect. It's almost a punch card
situation at that They're like I won't get one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
They'll be like, well, we'll see you again next week.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
Oh, bless right?

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
How good?

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
How good? Onto this conversation, which is going to be
a doozy as well.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
So a video.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
This was a video you sent through last night, Matt
on Instagram, and it's this Australian bloke who calls himself
fair Way Puppy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Yeah. And so this is him describing his workday, ranking
the top five hours of the day where I'm not
doing shit at work.

Speaker 25 (01:21:12):
Coming in at number five, we have the hour before lunch.
By this stage, I've been at work for a couple
of hours. I'm hungry. All I'm thinking about is breaking
for lunch. I want to get the hell out of here.
I'm not doing the hour before lunch. Coming in at
number four, we have the hour directly after a meeting.
Paying attention during the meeting has absolutely cooked me. My

(01:21:32):
attention span is done. I need a break, and for
that reason, I'm not doing for an hour after a meeting.
Coming in at number three, we have the hour after lunch.
Lunch time's over and I'm depressed. All I can think
about now is how badly I want to have a nap.
My mind now wonders to what I'm doing after work.
I don't want to be here. I'm not doing shit
during the hour after lunch. Coming in at number two,

(01:21:54):
we have the first hour of the day. Look, if
I'm completely honest, I'm probably not going to be here
for the first fifteen minutes of the day anyway. Then
I'm going to come in quick socialize with the colleagues,
and then I'm immediately looking to get a coffee. I
might turn my computer on and see if I got
ne urge of emails, but I've than that I'm not
doing for the first hour of the day, and coming
in at number one we have the last hour of

(01:22:14):
the day. It goes without saying I've busted my ass
all day meetings, lunch breaks, coffees. Now it's time for
me to start wrapping things up and look for the
exit door. Chances are again I won't be here for
the last fifteen of these minutes. So with that in mind,
I'm not doing for the last hour of the day.

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
So good, so good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
So obviously this is a comedian but there's some truth
in that, right, there's some truth. There are people that
that don't do a lot in any given day's work.
They're in, they're coming in, they're arriving, but there's just
various things that they're not doing. I mean, there's people
that won't do their deposits at home and because they

(01:22:54):
want to save up, because that's time they don't want
to be working as well. So eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty do you work with a slack person? And
how do they get away with it? You know, how
do people get away with not working? I mean, are
you a slack person? Would love to hear from some
of that, and you know, and if you know, if
you are, you know an employer, and you know, how

(01:23:16):
do you how do you police people that slack because
you definitely see it post lunch slowdown, pre lunch slowdown,
a slow start to the day, the first hour differentely
easier way into leaving.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Ye, he's got it right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:32):
He's got it right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
And as I was saying before, I've been this person.
And some people might say, now, well, what do you
do You just sitting share talking to a microphone. Your
job is pretty slack, just sitting on your ass gas bagging.
But I worked as a warehouse manager for a company
called I Hug Nice and they started a computer you know,
the shop that was selling computers and CD ROMs and

(01:23:56):
such back in the day, but they weren't shifting a
lot of units at that time, very successful internet service provider,
but their movement into retail wasn't as successful. So I
had this mess of warehouse to run, okay, and had
a bit of staff, a few staff.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
Yep, just a young man.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
At the time.

Speaker 4 (01:24:12):
You're a manager, yeah, okay, right, at some staff there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
And so when we went playing indoor cricket, and when
we were playing indoor cricket, there was a lot of
complaints from the main store. You know, like the the
tennis ball that I clearfully wrapped electrical tape around, it
was swung like a demon. When I wasn't doing that. Oh,
it'd sometimes like, well I'd made this beard out of
out of you know, what is it? The poppy stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
What's that on the bubble wrap?

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Bubble rap, nice on like a shelf like up went
up on the big slightly ladder went up there, and
I'd sleep for the day. That's resourceful. Yeah, I'll give
you that. And I was managing two other staff in there,
so you imagine what they were doing.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
What were they doing? Were they snuggled up with you? Sometimes?

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
No, I'd have them, you know, putting in a test
match over in the corner and they wanted to watch it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
Keeping the watch out for the Big Boss. Eight one
hundred eighty ten eighty is number to call. Do you
have people like this in your office? If you're the
boss or if you are one of these people, would
love to have a chat with you. Wats your strategy? Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call.
It's thirteen pasts three. News Talk said, be sixteen past three.
We're talking about a video that's going viral by an
Australian comedian, but it's got a lot of truth in it.

(01:25:20):
In it, he describes the top five hours of the
workday where he does sweet Bugger.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Oh, it's a fantastic video.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
The sexta says, it's every employee's job to find a
way to do as little as possible at work. Why
wouldn't you. You're there for the money, So if you
can get it and spend half the time in the
toilet and go for it, I say, Unfortunately, as a
landscape gardener, my dad is riding my ass all day.
He gets mad if I stop for evight once every
two hours. So it's working father and sudden operation there.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
Yeah, that's a tough one to get past the old man.
Thank you very much for that Tickso.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Man, this is also true of Fridays. I mean, there's
no point starting something so close to the weekend. Right,
actually goes the same for Monday.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
Yeah, a lot of true than that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Andrew Well from the show, you want to talk about
a guy you used to work with.

Speaker 17 (01:26:10):
About ten years ago. I used to work at a
garden center and im twin brother who needed a job.
And so I was a pretty hard working guy. And
you know, they liked me working there, and they thought, oh, yeah,
twin brother, he must be just like you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
We'll iro hi.

Speaker 17 (01:26:26):
So they brought and bought and it was the total
opposite he is. He tried to get away with as
little as possible, and he was the unironic version of
that skit you guys just playing. He'd be like, I'm
taking free break, is what he would do. So I'd
take fifteen minutes before his break, this fifteen minute break,
and then he would take free lunch was fifteen minutes

(01:26:46):
before lunch, and then post lunch, which was fifteen minutes
after lunch. It was literally like that skit, and it
got to the point of being so ridiculous where he
would actually lead the site when he was supposed to
be on the clock. So next door we had this
old fellow who ran a landscaping out there, like soil
and rocks and stuff, and he was a guy from

(01:27:07):
Rhodesia and of the Rhodesian War, and he would talk
years of a dead donkey about the war in Rhodesia.
So my twin brother would leave the site and go
chat to this guy for hours on end about the
Rhodesian or what everyone would be going. Where the bloody
hell is he? And I'll just check next door. Sure enough,
he's over there chatting to the old fellow about the Rhodesian.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Why again, And was there. What kind of oversight was
how much work was being done? It was it was
overlooking all this.

Speaker 17 (01:27:35):
Oh well there they had managers on rotation, so they
could get away with quite a lot of it. And
they would they'd be like, oh, where's he gone, or
he's on lunch again, or you just couldn't find him.
He was a bloody moving target.

Speaker 12 (01:27:48):
And I used to work.

Speaker 17 (01:27:49):
I used to work my ass off them there actually,
And one day I was I was sort of like
briskly running up to the up to the back of
the shop to grab something for a customer, and he
stopped me. He was on the opposite way and he
stopped me. He was Andrew, what are you doing? And
I said, I was going to go run up to
get this thing for this customer. And he goes, why
do you work so hard? And I'm like, I working
hard And you go, yeah, but you don't realize, no,

(01:28:11):
no matter how hard do you work and how little
I do, you and I get both get paid the same.
And like, wow, that's actually true.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
Was there was there room for advancement at that work
because you know you're working hard, maybe you get more responsibilities,
more pay. Was there room for you to move up
with your hard your hard labors.

Speaker 17 (01:28:30):
There was I got got to a supervisor role in
the end there, but he was that he had actually
just come back from overseas. He'd been studying overseas, and
that's why he I think he body is a bit
too good for the job. So he took it as
a challenge to get away with as little as possible.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
Yeah, Dirty, It is interesting though, Andrew.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
I mean I found in jobs. You know, I was
working a record store once and I was not really
enjoying it. Then I decided one day, I'm going to
be the best employee I possibly can be. So I
started just going hard or take customers out into the
the store and I talked them through the music, and
I really pushed, you know, push myself, and I ended
up the days going a lot faster. So I think

(01:29:10):
that there can there can be a level of slacking
off where it just slows down the day that it
makes it makes it worse, it does.

Speaker 17 (01:29:18):
But for him, it was just trying to I think
it was a challenge, Like it was almost to the
point of hilarity of where where is he gone and
what is he doing that doesn't involve.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
Working When you became a supervisor, Andrew, did you supervise
him or he'd scarpeted by that that stage and see
the game's up. I'm done.

Speaker 17 (01:29:35):
He got out of there, so he they gave him
a Redden warning. He's like, oh, you know, this is
not fun anymore. And then he went and did something else.
I'm sure that didn't actually involve doing anything at all.

Speaker 11 (01:29:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
I wonder where he is today, still still doing the
same thing, no doubt.

Speaker 12 (01:29:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:29:52):
Actually, oddly enough he changed his ways a couple of
years later, and now he works is the financial advisor.

Speaker 4 (01:29:58):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
See that that can happen. It can happen that sometimes
just a flickle switch, A switch will flick and someone
will suddenly become a model employee.

Speaker 11 (01:30:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
True, Andrew, that's a great story mate, Thank you very
much for giving us a bus. I wait one hundred
eighty ten eighty. If you're a boss of a company,
you or a manager for that matter of you got
someone in your organization that has these muck around hours
love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
These people are called sense of lights. Only work when
there is movement or movement when the boss or other
staff are around. Cheers, John, See I was working at
a place and there was this guy that we were
just sitting around at work drinks and he goes, God,
don't you hate it when you're in the bathroom and
it had an automatic light that went off after ten minutes.
He goes, I just hate it in the bathroom and
then the light goes off and you're stuck in the

(01:30:43):
bathroom in the dark. You can't find your way out.
I was like, what, No, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
How long are you in there for? I was spending
the lights?

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Who's spending so long in there that it regularly the
light turns off? It's not an hour time And he goes,
and then he goes, I have to hop out with
my pants down and jump up and down in the
middle of the bathroom to get the light to go
back on.

Speaker 4 (01:31:04):
So good, right, twenty two parts three O eight one
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to cool. Love
to hear your thoughts on this one.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
Back in the month, Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons, call oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB very.

Speaker 4 (01:31:21):
Good afternoon till it's twenty four past three and we're
talking about those people in a workplace.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
It might be yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
Actually, no judgment here where you've got those hours in
the workday, will you know you do?

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Sweet bug rule?

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
Really can hear from your eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Hey, guys, as long as you get your job done
to a good standard. If you find time to play
around and be lazy, that's fine. Work hard, play hard.
You have to enjoy your job. I work on a
farm and often get distracted hunting, I mean pest control.
Boss doesn't mind they do it too.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
It's an interesting point.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
I mean that that's true. I mean there's a high
high achiever who finds some extra time as very different
from someone who's coming to work with the intention just
to try and do as little as they can in
the day.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
Yeah, exactly nine two ninety two is the text number.
This one's a good text. Hey, guys. In the Japanese
corporate culture, they have a phenomenon knowing as the windows
side tribe. These are typically older workers who don't have
to do anything as a reward for loyalty. Can you
please find where I sign up? That's from Karl.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
I just saw something about this the other day. I
was reading about it. I think that. How do you
pronounce it? It's like I think it's hata hartara, kanai
or jisan, which means an older, often near retired, male
employee with minimal or no duties and a lot of
workplaces someone can converne them. That's true. We used to

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sort of hang around the office.

Speaker 4 (01:32:47):
Yeah yeah, But isn't that like a way for the
Japanese to kind of say you're not wanted here anymore,
that they just stop giving you work if they really
don't like you around. Instead of confronting you insane you
shouldn't be here anymore, they just stop giving you work
until eventually you get bored and quit.

Speaker 16 (01:33:04):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
Yeah. A twenty twenty two survey found that forty nine
percent of younger Japanese will because reported their companies had
such an individual who often spends their time taking long breaks,
steering blankly, or chatting idly. The practice reflects a cultural
respect for elders and loyalty, but it causes frustrations and
a feeling of being over birming among younger staff. I
loved it by needed for a more merit based system

(01:33:26):
than a hata. Rah can't say or just on.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
It's a good gig. If you can get it, Yeah,
just staring at your screen. Then can we get one?

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
Yeah, I'd like one over there in the corner me too,
be good from around.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
On your service.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Phil,
How are you, mate?

Speaker 16 (01:33:46):
Not too bad things, Tyler? How are you? And Matt?

Speaker 5 (01:33:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
Good good?

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
And you used to work with a couple of people
who operated like this.

Speaker 16 (01:33:54):
Yeah, I got a couples. I'll just say before I
start toilet, simply for your nan And you were quite
right about the smile of the Stranger's what you said
at the top of the show, if you remember.

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
Yeah, no, thank you very much, mate, really appreciate that
your bang on. That kindness of strangers certainly goes a
long way, gives you that boost you need sometimes.

Speaker 16 (01:34:16):
Sometimes he had just to lift you up that we
lift from her just a wee smile, you know, Yeah,
definitely Yeah. But yeah, I won't mention. I feel a
bit guilty about one fellow because he's a good fellow.
So I won't even see your names of that. But
the last caller said about the last caller when we're
saying about you get paid the same as to remember,
we I get paid the same as you, you know,

(01:34:38):
and I'm not doing any less work. And I worked
in a place and they had a policy of first on,
last on, first off, you know, when it comes to
your job and that. And one of the fellows we
had these guys coming and they started banging out these
big totals and one of the fellows that I'd worked
with for quite a while said to me, you look

(01:34:58):
at those silly buggers. He said, what they don't realize
is they banging out all these totals trying to impress
the boss. I'm just putting my average normal thing out,
not busting me guts. But I'm going to be ahead
before they are, because they're going to get laid off
first because I started well after them for a number
of years. And he was quite right, that's exactly what happened.
And another guy, another guy that I worked with working

(01:35:20):
over it was overseas. I won't mention the names here
because it's not going to affect anybody. But I worked
on the skifield in Colorado up the Rockies for a
while called Keystone Nice and I was, yeah, yeah, it
was a great gig. Didn't pay much, but it was
the lifestyle in that and the young fellow that I
worked with was in the maintenance department. One of their

(01:35:42):
jobs was to at the end of the night to
cover up the swimming pools and the spars and all
that sort of thing, because it was a big resort
where the guests would stay on site neck, you know.
And I remember one he was a hard case. And
I remember one day saying to me, goes, oh, he goes,
I actually get the guests to close and cover the

(01:36:02):
swimming pool up themselves. I tell them that they've got
to do it as a condition of using it. And
he said, he says, oh, the boss has given me
all those crap jobs and that they're trying to get
me frustrated and make me quick. But he says, I
don't give her. He says, I don't give her rats.
I'm here for the lifestyle. But it's just faded me
laugh as the attitude, you know of the guy saying

(01:36:26):
to the cause, I could just imagine it, you know,
like the guests who you're supposed to look arker, and
it's part of your job, you know, to open up
the swimming pools in the morning and close them down.
And that night saying to these guests who'll be sitting here. Look, sorry,
swimming pools closed now, but you're going to have to
get out and cover it all up in that and.

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
Smart outsourcing, Phil, Yeah, I've got to say on a
skifield there are a lot of slackers.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
Yeah, look that's please don't say my own name, Okay,
I won't boy like I didn't. I'm a site manager
and I lead a team. I may take a few
frames doing what I do. Then, as you know, Matt,
delegation is a beautiful thing. I divvy out more work
than I do get it done though, clever. So I
mean that's that's what do you call it? That's being
slacked from above? Yeah, but you know someone's going to

(01:37:11):
div the workout exactly it gets done. If you've risen
to the point whether you're managing people and you're divvying
out in in such a way that you can nip
off and play some golf, then well done.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
Yeah, hat's off to you.

Speaker 4 (01:37:24):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call love to hear from you. Do you have someone
in your work that's quite strategic about the lack of
work they do at certain hours or if that's you
really can never chat with you. It is past three.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
And if you know any more about these ujisans, old
men that sit in the corner of nearly fifty percent
of Japanese officers doing nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
Yeah, we need to hear more on that one.

Speaker 13 (01:37:49):
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(01:38:13):
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(01:38:35):
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Read the full story at Enzed Herald Premium. Now back
to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
Thank you very much, Wendy, And we're talking about those
people in your workplace where it might even be you
who uses a strategy. I've set hours of the day
to do sweet bugger all oh e one hundred and
eighty ten eight years and number to call a few
techs coming through about what you mentioned before. The Japanese
phenomenon no one airs madogiwa Zuku describes older employees who
are kept on the payroll with little to no actual

(01:39:23):
work as a sign of respect.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
What are you calling it? I was calling uji song.

Speaker 4 (01:39:26):
Oh this was your son, this one, says madow ghi
wa Zuku.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
Ah right, okay, okay, Well I'm not sure what the
exact one is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
We'll get to the bottom of that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
So yeah, forty nine point seven percent. Yeah, it seems
like a good cases Heaven would you sign an old
man sitting in the corner, Chris, welcome to the show.
You joined your han Yeah, so what's your story, Chris,
I'm just trying to work it out there.

Speaker 18 (01:39:50):
Gooday, lads.

Speaker 26 (01:39:51):
Yeah, I've been with my company now almost fifteen years,
and after a few years, I realized that it seemed
to be those that do the least around the office
that get promoted.

Speaker 5 (01:40:01):
So I decided I'd give it a go.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
And what do you and know?

Speaker 5 (01:40:04):
I got promoted And after.

Speaker 26 (01:40:05):
All these years, now I'm the manager of the team.

Speaker 24 (01:40:07):
But I fear get.

Speaker 26 (01:40:08):
The trick to it is you just sit there with
a concerned look on your face, and no one seems
to question you.

Speaker 4 (01:40:13):
Smart.

Speaker 26 (01:40:14):
You never tell anything, never tell anybody when you've finished
all your tasks, so that you're not busy, and you
seem to slip through the cracks.

Speaker 5 (01:40:20):
And I tell my team members the same thing.

Speaker 26 (01:40:22):
Just don't make me look bad, make sure you keep
your targets and you're all good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Right, And so how quickly did your career turn around
when you started running this operation?

Speaker 26 (01:40:32):
Honestly within about six months to be.

Speaker 4 (01:40:35):
Honest, Oh, well pretty fast.

Speaker 22 (01:40:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:40:37):
They always say there's a bit of a boys club
in the office, and they.

Speaker 24 (01:40:39):
Weren't lying so.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Smart.

Speaker 5 (01:40:43):
I try to look.

Speaker 26 (01:40:44):
After the ones that work beneath me now and make
sure that they're all their careers are going well and everything.

Speaker 4 (01:40:50):
But yeah, so now you've moved into that manager position,
do you give the younger boys and you know what,
you know what the tricks are, do you give them away?
We tap on the shoulder and say, I know what
you're doing here, but if you keep doing it, you
may get ahead.

Speaker 26 (01:41:04):
No, I just tell them, you know, sometimes you have
downtime in the office and you don't always have to
fill it with something that's not your job. So as
so long as you're just looks like you're keeping busy
and you're hitting your targets, hitting your kpies, you don't
have to go out of your way to make it
look like you're doing something.

Speaker 8 (01:41:22):
And I'll always advocate for them.

Speaker 26 (01:41:24):
You know that they're doing an amazing job and hitting
all their targets, and.

Speaker 9 (01:41:28):
Actually it does well for them.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
There's an interesting type of person in a workplace that
I'm often suspicious of. The person that's always saying how
busy they are, how busy they are, how run off
their feet there are, and that they spend a lot
of time talking about being busy, and I always wonder,
is this a PLOYT Can.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
You give me your schedule so I can see what
you're actually doing hour by hour?

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Yeah, you're just absolutely it snowed under right now, flooded
so busy right now. I can't take it. I'm just
so stressed. I'm sorry. I can't do that. And then
really what they're doing is just they're doing with Chris there,
they're just sitting staring at the computer with a frown
on their face.

Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
Chris, nice to chat with you, mate, Thank you very much.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Some good thanks coming through to Dennis.

Speaker 3 (01:42:10):
Get Dennis, Yeah, him and Tyler.

Speaker 20 (01:42:13):
This morning goes back a few years. I worked for
a big company in christ here and we had a
dark room in our particular departments, and we had one
of the one guys we work with. He kept on

(01:42:33):
disappearing all the time, and we always thought he was
doing something in one of the other departments or whatever.
And one day one of the girls worked with us,
she went into the dark room to process some work
she was doing, and everything was going fine, and then

(01:42:57):
there was one hell of a screen and she come
running out and said for the boss. There's somebody in
the cupboard. She reached in to get some chemicals out
of there. He went, and here's the person concerned. He
made a bed in the cupboards where the chemicals, cheepskin

(01:43:18):
rugs in there. It'd quietly go in there and have
a sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
Love.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
That I mean he pulled off of met Heath.

Speaker 4 (01:43:26):
I don't know if you heard matt story but before Dennis,
but that it was exactly what Matt Heath was doing
in this factory. A nice beautiful we beard up in
the factory when no one was looking. Just every we snooze.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Wasn't a factory, Tyler was a warehouse.

Speaker 4 (01:43:39):
Oh warehouse.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
Sorry, it didn't end there.

Speaker 20 (01:43:43):
They found he was working on small parts of his
classic car.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
In the cupboard.

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
Yeah, who was this guy? Bits of car?

Speaker 20 (01:43:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:44:02):
So how long did he last with the company. Was
that was at the end of him or they keep
him around for a bit longer.

Speaker 20 (01:44:06):
The bostictemore the sort of job we were doing. We
were a bit three and a pine at that stage,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Yeah, so yeah, yeah, I've never gotten that, thank you
for your call, Dennis. Okay, so there's there's a character.
Let's some clarification. He has come through.

Speaker 5 (01:44:24):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
Auji san just means a middle aged man. Okay, so
I've got it wrong, all right. Mado gia zuku refers
to people who get sat by the window window out
of everyone's way for various reasons, usually because they're too
close to retirement to be much of use anyone, according
to everyone else in the office anyway, So maybe it's
not Yeah, it's kind of what you were saying before, Tyler.

(01:44:46):
So we're thinking about it as a whimsical thing where
you've just got an old man in the office and
out of a mark of respect, he's been allowed to
just sit by the window. But the madou gia zuku
might be just you're no good to anyone to sit
over there.

Speaker 4 (01:45:02):
You can't do anything, so sit in the corner and
shut up. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. We've got a play some messages,
but plenty of calls to get to. But love to
hear from you. If you've got someone in your office
who likes to muck around in certain times of the day,
really keen to hear from. Yeah, it is nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
To four, Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, it's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
They'd be seventeen to four.

Speaker 4 (01:45:29):
So we're talking about a viral video by an Australian comedian.
So he calls himself fair way peppy, and in it
he describes the five hours of the workday where he
gets a sweet bugger all. Here's a bit of it.

Speaker 25 (01:45:41):
Now, ranking the top five hours of the day where
I'm not doing at work. Coming in at number five,
we have the hour before lunch. By this stage, I've
been at work for a couple of hours. I'm hungry.
All I'm thinking about is breaking for lunch. I want
to get the hell out of here. I'm not doing
the hour before lunch. Coming in at number four, we
have the hour directly after a meeting. Paying attention during

(01:46:04):
the meeting has absolutely cooked me. My attention span is done.
I need a break and for that reason, I'm not
doing shit for an hour after a meeting. Coming in
at number three, we have the hour after lunch. Lunch
time's over and I'm depressed. All I can think about
now is how badly I want to have a nap.
My mind now wonders to what I'm doing after work.
I don't want to be here. I'm not doing shit

(01:46:25):
during the hour after lunch. Coming in at number two,
we have the first hour of the day. Look, if
I'm completely honest, I'm probably not going to be here
for the first fifteen minutes of the day anyway. Then
I'm going to come in quick, socialize with the colleagues,
and then I'm immediately looking to.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Get a coffee.

Speaker 25 (01:46:39):
I might turn my computer on and see if I
got ne urge and emails, but other than that, I'm
not doing shit for the first hour of the day.
And coming in at number one we have the last
hour of the day. Goes without saying. I busted my
ass all day meetings, lunch breaks, coffees. Now it's time
for me to start wrapping things up and look for
the exit door. Chances are again I won't be here

(01:47:00):
for the last fifteen of these minutes. So with that
in mind, I'm not doing shit for the last hour
of the day.

Speaker 4 (01:47:06):
Absolutely nails it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
I was in the toilet so long at work. The
sticks has said that I fell asleep first day too.
Also at a warehouse they locked up. I woke up
and set off the alarms trying to leave. So embarrassing
for a first day. Was there for five years though,
ended up being a manager.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
Fantastic, what happy story.

Speaker 4 (01:47:27):
So there you go. So you so you fall asleep
and toilets on your first day? Nobody, nobody knows.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
Do you set off the large? I reckon? They snuck out?
Do you reckon? They knew that you were on there
and then they snuck out and locked things up and
left the alarm on for alarm on for a joke. Yeah, well, yeah,
on your first day. You got to You've got to
be a bitter than that on your first day.

Speaker 4 (01:47:50):
Yeah exactly. Then you became a manager.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
Well done, Philip, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (01:47:57):
This is a different act that too with myst dips up.
So he's currently eighteen. Right throughout his schooling, he just
wanted to be an engineer. He's just he's always talked
about being an engineer, wanted to be an engineer. He
had a countdown on his phone, a countdown out on

(01:48:18):
the phone to when he turned sixteenth, so as he
thought he could leave school. So anyway he did. He well,
actually we did let him meet school because if he
didn't leave school, he would have been expelled anyway, because
he just didn't want to be there anyway. I see,
you're more than welcome to leave school, but you're not
going to sit at home and watch by a TV.

(01:48:39):
And you're going to go out to work and you're
going you know, you're going to have to in your
own your life.

Speaker 26 (01:48:46):
Now.

Speaker 8 (01:48:46):
Six months before he left school, we got him a
job just sweeping flaws at the engineers just down the
road from our place. He ended up learning to do
a bit of welding and that sort of thing, and
the boss sort of took him a bit under under
his armor, but he actually gave him a job. When

(01:49:06):
he left school. I gave him a talking to him, said, right,
you're going to be the first at work. You're going
to be the last lead. Don't get involved in any
of the ship that the other guy's get involved in.
You just get stick to yourself and you make sure
you do the job. Now that guy is now, he
is now managing one of the sheds and he has

(01:49:27):
actually got four guys underneath him. He gets he gets
pay your rises, but well he's had three pay rises
in the last eight months in which the boss tells
him not to tell anybody he'sa's got a pay rise
taken out for assumed and all the rest of it.
So millennials quite often get a pretty hard wrap. But
this guy has proved that you know you can you

(01:49:49):
can actually a dance just by getting stuck in and working. Heally,
he's up at six o'clock every morning. He leaves for
work at half past six and three. He takes them
three minutes to get there and it doesn't start till
seven and he's usually home at six o'clock at night,
but when they might walking about us five, So he's
doing the hea.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
See that's the flip side of not doing anything at work?
Is you unluckily you get promoted, except in this case
here from in the in the Air Force, we had
a saying that you were promoted to the level of
your incompetence. The more incompetent, the faster you rose through
the ranks. One mechanic you sledgehamers to fix things, broke
everything he touched, so was promoted to sergeant in charge

(01:50:32):
of the unit to get him off the tools, stuffed everything.
As a manager too. It's the Peter principle, isn't it.
It's okay, I've got it here. It states that in
a hierarchy, every employee is promoted to their level of incompetence,
meaning people are promoted based on their success in their
current role until they reach a position they cannot perform effectively.

(01:50:53):
At this point they are no longer considered for promotion,
and Peter's plateau is reached slightly different there. This person's
being promoted to get them off the tools.

Speaker 4 (01:51:02):
Yeah, yeah, to keep them away from their sledghammer, to
stop breaking things. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the numb bit of cool. Just thinking back to
that video. I mean the first hour for me, absolutely
that sky of time that is that is peak sky
of time when I come in here. In any job
I've had, actually, the first hour is key. That you
come in, you have a few yards with people, You
walk around the office, go and check out the toilet,

(01:51:24):
make yourself a coffee, drink some of that, and make
another coffee. But that's ah, yep, and hours past a
bit to get into it. But that's key. I mean
nobody asked questions in the first hour.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
Yeah, I'm never here to see that. So interesting to
hear what you're up to. George used to work at
I HUG.

Speaker 22 (01:51:42):
Well, I didn't work at IHAG. I worked for I
hug installing your satellite dishes and making the services go
on everybody's computers so they can have their Internet in
strange places of the country.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
Oh yeah, right, it's really good.

Speaker 22 (01:51:55):
The only issue I had was I would order something
and sometimes I get three or four times the amount
I wanted, and other times there were short falls. I
can understand that now because of a certain person on
the drop.

Speaker 4 (01:52:09):
It will makes sense now, George will makes sense now.

Speaker 22 (01:52:13):
But the other thing is I met a guy who
worked who worked at Huntley Power Station while they're building it, yep,
and these were and he observed the chimney builders. So
they turn up at eight o'clock in the morning and
then spend their time getting ready and then spend their
time climbing the chimney, and the taller it got, the
longer it took. Okay, but the bosses decided they had

(01:52:35):
to be in the smoker room at morning tea, so
then not have to climb all the way down again,
and after morning he climb all the way up, and
the same for lunch, so then they have to climb
all the way back down again, and after lunch climb
all the way back up. The taller it got, the
longer it got until it got the afternoon tea, same
track and then come down getting ready to go home.
And they said these guys were really fit. It just

(01:52:57):
got really interesting, is watching the progress the chimneys dat
longer and longer to get further and further if they
had to climb more and more guys.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
That's that's on the icon on a hunting power station,
is it? Those two icronic chimneys that looked like the
cover brick by bracks.

Speaker 24 (01:53:16):
The other thing?

Speaker 22 (01:53:17):
I worked in a large communication company in is Yellin.
I won't say which one, but anyway, we had primas
on my guys that worked with us in our set,
in our branch, and there was one guy in particular
who took the shire of the of the boss, as
in he was the pet boy, so he'd get the
new projects, but he never finished the paperwork. He left

(01:53:38):
all the crap to everybody else, and everybody knew how
this worked, but the boss never seemed to see it.
Somebody else would have to pick up all the drawings
and all the details and the records and everything else.

Speaker 4 (01:53:50):
So he was one of the delegators, the lazy delegators.

Speaker 22 (01:53:53):
George, Well, no, he wasn't a delegator. The boss just
gave him the next project, and so he just took
that on and dumped what he was doing. And it's
just I don't know what you call that, but I
just called that slack as well.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
Ye, yeah, yeah, you got to take yeah, that is.

Speaker 22 (01:54:12):
You explained my issues and worked really well.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
Yeah, well yeah, apologies for that and retrospect, but I.

Speaker 4 (01:54:20):
Mean take it up with with Matt's employees. You know,
he was a manager. He told them what to do
while he had a nap, so they didn't follow his instructions.

Speaker 22 (01:54:27):
Well, I've still I've still got some of my dishes.
Have you touring around? Do I use it as large
walks from the barbecue?

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
Okay, well see if there's my signatures on the paperwork
on this.

Speaker 4 (01:54:38):
Georgia are a good man, Thank you very much. Right,
we've got to play some messages. It is eight minutes
to four.

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
Tyler just got ripped out. Boss came in and ripped
him out about admitting that how little work he does
in his first hour that he's here.

Speaker 4 (01:55:03):
Yeah, he was asking about that first hour and he says,
going to cut me off from the coffee.

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
So I deserve that.

Speaker 4 (01:55:07):
I deserve that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
But it's been a great show talking about people to
slacking off at work. Thank you so much for sharing
your stories, and thanks so much for everyone who's listened
to the show today. Thank you for your your calls
and your text. Has been a really, really fun show
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trend of people not wanting to have babies, also on
where the New Zealanders the safest country in the world.
But right now, Tyler, damn it, I've given away. Why
am I playing this song?

Speaker 3 (01:55:42):
Is this called the Safety Dunes?

Speaker 4 (01:55:43):
It is christ Obviously we're pretty proud that we're the
third safest country in the World, Iceland and Ireland. Hats
off to them as well.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
You say hats off this spans men without hats, good
good names. Yeah, fantastic je very catchy song. The powerful
head of Droop of c Ellen is up next. Have
a great rest of your AVO until tomorrow at Wow
for one, give them a task to keep me for
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