Full Show Podcast: 11 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Hello, your Grant, New Zealisen.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Welcome to Mattin Tyler Full Show Podcast number two oh
three for the eleventh of September twenty twenty five. This
is the first eleventh of September nine to eleven that
I haven't thought about nine to eleven, ho Lee. I
always wondered how long it would be before. I mean,
it's nearly a quarter century, isn't it twenty four years?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
But it never popped up.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
And of course it's not that date in the States.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
It rose slight day. It was kind of it was
kind of the tenth of September here that it happened. Yeah,
but you're right, it is crazy. It didn't even dawn
on me that today was September eleventh, tenth.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, but anyway, we haven't mentioned that until now, but
a fantastic show. We go deep into the Charlie Kirks situation,
the assassination and just what that means for political debate
in New Zealand. Are we heading down that violent path
that the United States seems to have gone?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
And that was that was.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
That was a big, big, big, big, quite full on conversation.
But I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed it and heated opinions from
both sides. And then we went into the details of
the affair that Tyler's running.

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True or not.

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Interesting three hours of radio planned. I believe there's some
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She loves to dig and it just treaks that stuff inside.

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if the dogs dug.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
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know where he went to university or anything. But you know,
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Speaker 2 (03:48):
Wrong in my life. Trustworthy, seems trustworthy. Right on to
today's show, and it is a doozy for you after
three o'clock, So this is going to be a fascinating chat.
Doctor John Deloney, he was he is a renowned Jewish
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with Chris Williamson. This is a massive, massive podcast world
Why But they were talking about how to build a

(04:10):
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Speaker 5 (04:18):
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and you should have that as period. If your spouse
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Speaker 2 (04:40):
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that's what a lot of people would be fairing listening
to that question. Would you be willing to open it
all up?

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Just go through every three and every social media chat,
all your history, all your passwords, Just go for it.
Mine as yours. My digital life is your digital life.
And if not, why not? What are you trying to hide?

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, that's going to be great after three o'clock, After
two o'clock, it has three children for at least thirty years,
but now the iconic flying fox at Kaitawa Reserve. It's
been shut down overnight due to safety concerns, and it
sparked outrage from kids and parents who say a little
bit of risk is just part of growing up.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Flying foxes are the absolute best of us when they
are a proper hardcore flying fox with quite a lot
of risk where you flat throw your kid on there
at a young age and you throw them down and
they're seriously worried about their safety.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yep, good moment for a father or a mother.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Absolutely, this carstrading of flying foxes is not on. And
if you're going to put up a flying fox and
it's just a pathetic slow snail trail.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
For want of a better word, I know where you're
going with that, then don't. Yeah, just diet.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
By the way, it's insulting the state of flying foxes.
I went i one in Grayland Park the other day
and it barely gets above you know, you couldn't you
could walk faster, Whereas the US one in Mount Eden
that my kids grew up on, that was so intense
that it even pushed to the limits of what I

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felt comfortable having a four year old down.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
On as long as you've got at least one tire
at the bottom, that's all you need.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, Yeah, it's the warsification and what happens when we
bring up children who never experienced the consequences of taking risks.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Looking forward to that after two o'clock. But right now,
let's have a chat about the biggest story in the
world right now, and it is significant. It's the assassination
of Charlie Kirk. It has reignited fairst debate over free
speech and growing division, not just in the US but
here in New Zealand and around the world as well.
So if you haven't heard the name Charlie Kirk before,
here's a bit of a bio on who he was.
He was an American conservative commentator, a public debater. He

(06:51):
founded the youth organization Turning Point USA in twenty twelve.
He was just thirty one years old. A father of two,
He was known for promoting conservative values, frequently appearing on
TV networks, huge podcasts, and frequently in American campuses, whereas
content generated hundreds of millions of views.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yes, so, I mean the discussion on this that we
want to have eight hundred and eighty ten eighty it
can't be about whether you believe or support what he said.
He personified the spirit of debate debate.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
In the United States of America.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
You would argue and that he turned up on campuses
with a microphone and you could just come up and
grab a microphone and he would debate. And if you
want to see him debate, he recently this year he
was in the Oxford Union and debated basically three hundred
Oxford University students and the whole time in that debate,
he's very polite, listens to people. You know, he sort

(07:43):
of personifies with your agree with or not. He was
an example of someone that wanted to debate openly the
topicsport has point of view across. Is that something that
we're losing here? I mean, obviously this is a horrible tragedy,
but is there a deeper problem here? Are we losing
in Western society the ability debate with people we disagree
with that without demonizing them, without getting furious. You know,

(08:06):
are we just getting less willing to hear the opinions
of people that we don't like. I mean, if you
really hate what they say, don't you still want to
hear it? I don't know, do you see this kind
of division in New Zealand. You know, you know what
if you think of what this guy believed in, he
was about debates so or do you think this is
just an American thing and they've got problems and we're
sweet as here in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, love to hear from you on this. One oh eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you want to send a text nine to
ninety two. But are we losing the ability to debates
in New Zealand in a reasonable manner? Love to hear
your thoughts on that. Coming up, we are going to
cross live to the US. We're going to have a
chat to our US correspondent Iras Bitzer from Feature Story
News to get the latest. But we are taking your calls.

(08:47):
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Speaker 1 (08:53):
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They'd be very good. Afternoon sheet is sixteen past one.
So conservative activist Charlie Kok has been killed after being
shot at a campus of in Utah in the United States.
So suspect is still at large following the shooting and
killing of Kirk. We're now joined live by a US correspondent,
Ira Spitzer from feature news story. Ira. Very good afternoon
to you.

Speaker 6 (09:21):
Good affening to you now.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Ira.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
For those in New Zealand who don't know Charlie Kirk,
who was he and how important a figure was he
in American politics?

Speaker 7 (09:30):
So Charlie Kirk, who was thirty one years old when
he was shot and killed at this college campus in Utah,
was a very influential conservative influencer, conservative figure, a close
ally of Donald Trump, and somebody who was seen as
key to helping Donald Trump secure votes from youth voters,

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especially during the last election. He was the co founder
of a conservative youth organization called Turning Point USA, and
he spent a lot of time going around to college
campuses across the country debating people in front of large audiences.
He had a massive following on social media, with more

(10:18):
than millions of followers on different platforms. So this was
a real rising star and definitely an influential figure among
the MAGA movement, and certainly somebody who was closely allied
with Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
So walk US through what we know so far about
what happened on this Utah campus today.

Speaker 7 (10:41):
So Charlie Kirk had been speaking for about twenty minutes
at Utah Valley University, which is in the town of
orm Utah, when a single shot rang out and he
was hit in the neck by that bullet. There's a
video online of all of what I just described. It

(11:02):
was a very sort of distressing video that has been
shared widely and the and there's also a video from
the event. Some of this unconfirmed, but video of what
appears to be a figure on a rooftop about one
hundred meters away that gets up very quickly after the

(11:25):
shooting runs away, so that appears to be on The
most prominent theory about where that shot came from is
from a rooftop near the event. The authorities have taken
a couple of people into custody over the course of
the day, but have released both of those people, so

(11:48):
as of now, the shooter is still at large. Authorities
at the university say that there's not a danger on
campus anymore. So it's hard to it's hard to really
comprehend exactly how somebody could apparently escape from that chaotic
scene and still be at large. But that is the
situation that faces us right now. So I'm sure we'll

(12:11):
have lots of updates in the coming hours and days.
But a very tragic and pretty intense situation unfolding earlier
in Utah.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
So there was an older gentleman that was originally grabbed,
but hey, he's been released.

Speaker 8 (12:27):
Correct.

Speaker 7 (12:28):
So there was somebody who was taken into custody and
was eventually charged with something much much lesser unrelated to
the shooting itself. And then later in the day, at
least the day here in the US, the FBI Director
Cash Patel said that there's a subject in custody, So

(12:52):
it really seemed that there was a strong likelihood that
this person had been caught. But then, somewhat surprisingly, a
couple hours later and just in the past hour, the
FBI director has said, no, that person has been released.
So we have no idea who committed this crime, this

(13:13):
violent act. There's no information about whether this what exactly
the motivation was. Utah's governor has called it a political assassination.
That's certainly given who was speaking, that's certainly seems pretty
likely that he was targeted because of his viewpoints or
because of his prominence. So a lot now to find

(13:37):
out about why Charlie Kirk was assassinated in this way.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
What is the wider media and political reaction being across
the States.

Speaker 7 (13:47):
Well, there's been widespread condemnation of this murder from across
the political spectrum, starting of course with President Donald Trump.
He posted on social media that saying that that Charlie
Kirk had the heart of America's youth like no one
else and saying that this was a tragic law. He's

(14:08):
also ordered flags to be flown at half staff through Sunday,
So a very strong reaction from the President, which is
as you might imagine given the close relationship between the
two men. But former President Barack Obama, other Democratic lawmakers
California Governor Gavin Newsom have all expressed their condolences and

(14:33):
condemned the violence, So at least from a public perspective,
there's certainly a bipartisan condemnation of this act. There's still
lots of controversy. Some of his viewpoints were considered controversial
on issues like LGBT rights or immigration. He certainly was
very closely aligned with some of the MAGA viewpoints on

(14:56):
those issues, and in fact, in the US Congress earlier,
a minute of silence was declared by House Speaker Mike
Johnson for Charlie Kirk, and there was a shouting match
between a lawmakers about whether that was too much or
too little of a tribute. So this certainly has stoked

(15:17):
nerves and kind of revealed lots of the tensions underneath
the surface of America right now, given the great political tension.
But on the other hand, simply the sheer brutality of
the act, that's something that has shocked everyone.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Now, Now, what if people think of his beliefs. There's
one thing that we all know he did believe in,
which was, you know, open debate. And what do you
think his death will mean for these kind of open
eared discussions in America. It doesn't seem like they can continue,
does it.

Speaker 7 (15:53):
Well, in many ways, it seems probable that he could
become a martyr for that cause of free speech. He
would go around the country and debate people who had
different viewpoints of his own. Yes, certainly one could take

(16:14):
the conclusion perhaps that Okay, it's too dangerous to continue
doing that sort of thing. But I would imagine that
there's also going to be people who want to kind
of continue that that tradition and to you know, to
honor Charlie Kirk's memory. This is what he was known for,
was was doing that. So it would also seem, you know,

(16:38):
sort of tragic if if that sort of debate stopped
because of this assassination. But we'll see, it's a it's
an uncertain time right now. There's been so much political
violence in the US over the past few years, things
that we haven't seen here in decades, and suddenly that's
become more of the norm. We've seen the assassination attempts
on President Trump for example, last year, and really just

(17:02):
a just a very divided country with violence now coming
to the fore again.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Has he been discussed in r of this some members
of Congress who have not afforded the full security detail
to step up that level of security, and not just
the members of Congress, other people in a similar situation
to Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 7 (17:20):
Well, there have definitely been calls for lawmakers and for
other politicians to have greater protection given the dramatic rise
in political violence that is to be expected in terms
of people like Charlie Kirk. They how would there has
been increased security at events like college campuses in recent

(17:44):
years because of threats. But it really does speak to
the difficulty of trying to protect prominent figures everywhere they go,
especially those that aren't you, that aren't the president or
someone of that level. When you're talking about an influencer
going to college campus, is just the sheer amount of

(18:04):
manpower and logistics involved to carry that out daunting. But
there have been calls for that, and when you see
what happened today you can certainly see why.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Now this question might be hard to answer, but what
do you think this means for America as a whole?
I mean, is it possible that could calm things down?
You know, some empathy towards different sides of the political
spectrum could appear. As you say, it's horrifically violent. Images
would be hard for even the most ardent opponent of

(18:35):
Charlie Cook to not feel empathy for, you know, a
thirty one year old father of two being gunned down
as in an open debate. Or do you think it
will only make things more divided?

Speaker 7 (18:46):
Yeah, Unfortunately, it's hard for me to imagine that this
event would have any sort of effect of bringing Americans
together and having many people say, Okay, look it's gone
too far. We have to dial back the rhetoric. That's
that's not really what the kind of own of the

(19:09):
conversation and the debate is. Certainly you have some some
people who who might think that. But with the weaponization
of information that of course we've we've seen in recent
years being propagated through social media and just the instrumental
mentalization of violence, that and instrumentalization of current events I've

(19:31):
already seen, you know, just just in hearing the debate
around around Charlie Kirk. I wouldn't say that I would
expect the rhetoric to cool off because of this one act,
but it's still it's still early. You know, we don't
know the person's motivations, even who murdered him, so that
is definitely something that people are quite interested in.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Irah, really appreciate your time this afternoon. It's going to
be a long few days for you and other reporters
and media this, so I really appreciate it. Thank you
data as you always. Correspondent Ara Spitzer from Feachit News
Story with taking your calls on this in the New
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Speaker 9 (21:11):
A bit of banks growing around the government's proposal for
new shoplifting laws that you change would ship the burden
of proof onto suspects. In other words, you are guilty
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It's more akin to a traffic against. You're speeding, you
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To find a reasonable excuse. Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 2 (21:51):
It is twenty nine to two, but he says.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
That was beautifully said. Guys, I'm actually really upset about
Charlie Kirk's assassination. I didn't agree with a lot of
his conservative views, but I respected how he was always
so polite in his debates with others. If we lose
the ability to debate respectfully, especially with those we disagree with,
then that's a tragedy as well. He said, I may
disagree with what you say, but I will defend to
the death you're right to say it.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, great text, VICKI thank you very much. One hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We've
got full wards at the moment, but if you can't
get through, keep trying.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Ryan says rop Charlie Kirk feel for his wife and kids.
Me and the flatmate always thought he would be a
future president. He could always have open conversations. Not everyone
agreed on what he would say, but he would still
let them have their say and debate with them, going
to missus videos and discussions. And I guess that's why
it's such a hot topic, because this was a guy,
as we keep saying, whether you believe agreed with what

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he said or not, he was out there debating and
would be polite to the people that he debated. You
can look at the Oxford UNI Union debate from earlier
this year I was watching this this morning and he
puts his microphone down and he listens to people and
then he responds. So he's really out there personifying the

(23:05):
concept of open debate on issues.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
That very fact that he wrote prove me wrong when
he went to these campuses. I mean, that is the
full idea of let's have a debate, prove me wrong,
come with a better argument, and let's have some discussion
about it. But what do you say. The death of
Charlie Kirk in the US has reignited debates are on
free speech and what does that mean here in New
Zealand when it comes to our own approach to debate

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in a respectful way. Love to hear your thoughts. Headlines
with Jody on its way. Oh one hundred and eighty
teen eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2 (24:56):
Thank you very much. Journey to the assassination of Charlie
Kirk and the US has reignited a debate around free speech,
so we want to bring it back here to New Zealand.
Of course, have Kiwis forgotten how to disagree respectfully love
your views on them. So one hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
The six is Charlie Kirk would make me so angry
watching his videos. I disagree with everything he believes in.
But he was a young father of two and only
thirty years old. The video online of his daughter yelling
daddy and running up to him at a TV appearance,
it made me cry. He didn't deserve this, no matter
what he believes.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, nicely, said Colleen, how are you.

Speaker 12 (25:30):
Hello, I'm good. I'm not a fan of Charlie Kirk
at all. I did not like his political views. He
had some horrible opinions. I don't agree that he should
have been assassinated, but he was putting his toes in
shark infested waters, and I think in America that's a

(25:51):
very dangerous thing to do. He is on record as
saying that deaths and school shootings are the price you
pay for his right to bear arms under the Second Amendment.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
So you know, well, if you watch that, he goes
on and says and how horrible and tragic that that is.
So you know there's more to that quote than that,
and he was quite emotional when he said it.

Speaker 12 (26:15):
There's a fair bit of irony though that he was
so pro Second Amendment rights and in the end it's
it's stunnament.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
But how are those so? How are those two things related?

Speaker 8 (26:28):
So?

Speaker 3 (26:28):
I mean, he was Second Amendment rights, but you know,
he wasn't pro violence, if you see.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 12 (26:34):
He was pro gun.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, but being pro gun isn't necessarily being pro violence,
isn't it.

Speaker 12 (26:40):
No, Well, the thing is, if the guns were more
strictly controlled in America, there would be few and nutty shooters,
wouldn't they really, because they wouldn't be able to access
the guns so easily.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Now, Colin, Colin, you said before that he swum in
shark infested waters. Do you do you think that that
people that say things that are controversial and disagreed with
by a lot of people that they should be quiet
because of fears of.

Speaker 12 (27:08):
Richer I don't think they should be quiet. I think
it's a reality in the world that you have to
be careful at what you say. For example, try saying
free Palestine somewhere in New Zealand at the moment. How
quickly will you get shut down?

Speaker 2 (27:25):
That it's everywhere I go.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
I said, I mean half the time I was going
to work and people were chanting it at me, and
I had nothing to do with the whole situation. So
I think you hear free Palestine nearly everywhere you go.

Speaker 12 (27:35):
You hear it everywhere you go. But can you debate
it anywhere? Hope, give me a give me a talkback
show that you can debate it on. Name me one.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Well, how many talkback shows are they? Yeah, uh huh.

Speaker 12 (27:47):
You've judged the questions very adroitly.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, do you know, to be fair, Colleen, Yeah, No,
to be fair, we have discussed that in the past
when there's been breaking news in terms of that situation,
but when we cannot. And then Charlie Kirk's case, and
you mentioned some of his views there that you find distasteful,
but that whole idea of of the violent reaction to

(28:11):
what he wants to say in that debate, he wants
to bring out into the open because people are saying
those things anyway, and whether they say them in the
shadows or they say them in their own homes, those
things are being spoken about. So bringing them out into
the open, no matter how distasteful you might think about
those things. Clearly, there is a benefit to respectful debate.

Speaker 12 (28:32):
If it stays respectful. Yes, it is benefit to respectful debate.
But I find it hard in New Zealand to engage
in respectful debate in a public forum because as soon
as you bring in a subject that is at all
touchy controversial, like Israel Palestine, it gets shut down. Try
commenting on New Zealand Herald sites and things. They shut

(28:55):
the comments so fast. This business with Tom Phillips. You
can't comment anywhere on local media about it. They just
shut it down, which is unfortunate because people have a
point to view and when you only see one point
of view, it's not really a debate.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah, well, I think we agree with that and agreement
in that. And you know, one thing, whatever you think
of Charlie Kirky was always very respectful in debates. He
would always listen to the other side. And as you say, Colleen,
it's no good if people just get shouted down when
they try and say, try and give their opinion. But
Christopher Hutchins, he had this great saying which was basically

(29:39):
like when you silence people, you also lose your ability
to hear and you do want to hear the opinions
of the people that you disagree with, so you can
sharpen your arguments against them, or maybe there's something that
they're saying that that's right. I mean, it's the very
few people that you agree with disagree with one hundred
percent of what they have to say. Thank you so
much for your call, Colleen, Oh.

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Speaker 2 (30:18):
Good afternoon to us. On the back of the death
of Charlie Kirk, a debate has reignited about free speech.
So are we losing our ability to debate fairly? In
New Zealand?

Speaker 3 (30:28):
This Texas says, I don't think he was shot for
what he was saying doing on the day was what
he represented in what he has said over the last
few years. I mean, I mean that seems likely because
he'd only answered two questions that day. Yes, so he
hadn't actually said anything. Hey you guys, I love Charlie Kirk.
He was always respectful and peaceful and a great debater. Sadly,

(30:48):
no one wants to hear the truth anymore. The truth
is too hard for people to digest. Charlie had an amazing,
beautiful family. This is just horrifying and heartbreaking his poor
family and Wiston Peters is posted this on x It's
a tragedy that we now live in a world that
differences of opinion are met with a gun. The death

(31:09):
of Charlie Kirk is not political violence. It is an assassination.
The utter tragedy is that Kirk, traveling extensively around the
university campus is to give an open mic and debate
to everyone, and all were welcome. He stood for freedom
of speech and especially fought for the rights of others
to express theirs, even if he disagreed. The essence of
democracy is under threat around the world and we must

(31:29):
do everything we can to protect it.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
I think one of the most more galling things about
this situation is that happened at a university campus, and
a university has always been and should be a place
where people debate ideas and a battle of different ways
of thinking. That is the whole point of an academic
institution like a university or a college campus. And the

(31:52):
very fact he was assassinated at that place where it
should be a free exchange of ideas just feels really galling.
It's pretty symbolic.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Hey, lads, I'm a young voter and in most recent
years i've voted National. This Charlie kirk Feller was an
utter planker. Watched a few of his debates and he
got showed up by college kids. His beliefs shouldn't be
acceptable in this day and age. In twenty twenty five,
his views on woman, LGBTQ, and abortion, etc. Were wild
and not acceptable. I'm sure this man had many brainwash supporters,

(32:20):
but he also had many haters. And I'm not surprised
at what's taken place today.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
I mean people are allowed to have different opinions than
you have. David, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
What's your thoughts about debate in New Zealand? Can we
still do that in a fair manner?

Speaker 12 (32:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (32:41):
Look, I think we can have debate. I don't think
that this is a symptom of kind of what's going
on in New Zealand when it comes to Charlie Kirk
in particular, his views, like you've been saying, they some
of them were very controversial. But I don't think that
we should also be kind of mastering Charlie Kirk at
the same time what he was doing. And I've been

(33:03):
following Charlie Kirk since I was at university about the
same age as him. I have a young family the
same as him. I followed him since about twenty sixteen
when I was in university. He wasn't a peaceful, respectful debater.
A huge part of his platform was taking soundbites from
college campus debates that he would have with students and

(33:23):
posting them on YouTube and with titles like Charlie Kirk
destroys Leftists or Charlie Kirk absolutely obliterates you know, trans
feminine radical leftists. And so actually, what Charlie was doing
was adding to this political divide and this polarization throughout
his career, and he relied on that. So what happened

(33:45):
to him was a tragedy. It condemned political violence. Absolutely,
it shouldn't have happened at all, and it is, you know, abhorrent.
What's happened, but by the same token, he was also
feeding into that same system. So we can't actually sit
here and say, oh, Charlie was this kind of saint
of debate and everything should happen the same way that
he did it, because he was actually as inflammatory as

(34:09):
the worst on either the left or the right. It
doesn't really matter what.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
You have you watched longer debates, you know, because that's
part of it. That's just David just a second, David,
just a second. So that's that's part of the YouTube algorithm,
one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Agree.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Taking little bits and then putting inflammatory titles up whatever
is not great for the political discourse. But let's just
talk about say, when he's in a long term debating situation,
he tends to put the mic down and let the
other person speak, and then he picks it up and
says his but and you can totally disagree with what
he says, and you can maybe even disagree with the
way his YouTube videos were promoted, etc. But it was

(34:50):
a debate and he's putting his side across and also
listening to the other side.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
So isn't that what we want?

Speaker 13 (34:57):
I see what you're saying about the Oxford Union Debate.
That's because that's one of the oldest debating institutions in
the world, and they have very strict and set rules
around how you are allowed to debates or free for all.
It's not Charlie Kirk setting the rules in that fora
what he actually has to do as abide by their
terms when he goes the same way David Seymour did
the same way any notable person of any political persuasion does.

(35:20):
So he did that in those videos. But I've also
watched a number of his interactions. I've followed other people
that are in the same kind of vein as him,
like Ben Shapiro and others, and the way that they
do it. And I'm not saying random YouTube is taking
his clips. I mean turning Point USA's own videos if
you go on their YouTube channel.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah, I'm I'm not denying.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
I'm not denying that. I'm not denying that part. But
do you think that he shouldn't do that? And that's
something that people shouldn't be allowed to do and there
should be consequences for people.

Speaker 13 (35:50):
I think if we Yeah, I think as a go
back to your question of can we have respectful debate,
particularly in a New Zealand sitting absolutely we can. It's
about how we debate. It's about how we actually do
those things. Going to university campuses as somebody of a
particular political persuasion and then trying to argue in the

(36:11):
way that he did with students who haven't even graduated.
That's not a forum where you're going to get healthy debate,
is that? Because well, why why isn't he debating other intellectuals?
Why isn't he going on?

Speaker 2 (36:23):
I think he does. He does quite quite a lot.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
I mean I've seen him debate all kinds of people
across the board.

Speaker 13 (36:30):
No, I fully disagree. I mean, he was at a
campus today because that's the kind of forum that he
thrives in the most. He was handing out mega hats,
He's stoken out in the crowd.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
And you should Should you not do that?

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Should you not go to a campus and put across
your political opinion strongly?

Speaker 13 (36:45):
You can, but it depends on again, how you do that.
So if you're if you're in New Zealand and you
want to have look, one of the one of the
things that we've had before is we've we've banned right
leaning speakers from coming to this country. I disagree with that.
I think that we should be able to have open debate.
I attended when I, like I referred to before, when
I was at the University of Aukland, we had Don

(37:06):
Brash come through. Obviously there was a huge amount of
pushback on that because of his views, and I think
that we should have had that debate. And we did
have that debate. So I'm not saying you can't, but
it goes back to, actually, how are you having these
debates and doing it in the way that he did
in an inflammatory manner is further staking political debate and

(37:27):
it's not a healthy argument, a healthy debate.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
David, appreciate your calling in, and you're a very thoughtful guy,
so really appreciate you've giving us a buzz and joining
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Speaker 3 (37:55):
Hi, guys on Congress, increasingly concerned how nasty people have
gotten on social media. I saw the pmpost a photo
of a beautiful scenery out of plane window and a
message of how lucky we are to live in New Zealand.
He got castigated by detractors. Take a breath, people, He's
just trying to make things better at pace. As you
said in your intro, Matt, if everyone did something small,
like a smile or helpful jesture every day, it would

(38:16):
help lift the mood.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
It's a nice message in that.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
None of those kids have to debate him this referrence
to Charlie Kirk on the campuses.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
If they weren't.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Interested, then he would just be some weirdo in a
gazebo and a car park.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Thousands and thousands come out well, used to come out
to debate Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah right, we're going to carry this on after two o'clock.
Are we losing the ability to have open, respectful debate
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Speaker 1 (39:01):
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Speaker 2 (39:23):
It'd be for a good afternoon to you. Welcome back
into the program at seven past two, and we have
been talking about fear debate in New Zealand on the
bank of the assassination of Charlie Kirk in US in
the US, I should say, at a Utah campus. So
have we It's reignited the debate about free speech and
fear debate. But has New Zealand lost its ability to
have that fear and open debate?

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, I mean, let's bring it back to a New
Zealand situation, because it feels like we're going the way
of America and do we want that? Do you think
people should be able to say what they believe without
whatever that is, without concern for violence, I guess is
the question. Just a few responses that have come from

(40:04):
from various people. Barack Obama said, we don't know what
motivated the person who shot and killed Charlie Kirk, but
this kind of despicable violence is no place in a democracy.
Michelle and I will be praying for Charlie's family tonight,
especially his wife, Erica and their two young children. This
Matthew Dowd is an American political pundit and consultant, and

(40:26):
he took sort of the opposite opinion I guess you'd say,
or a different opinion. This is what he said, and
it's caused quite a lot of controversy in the States.
He's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger
figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this
sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups.
And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to
hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I

(40:49):
think that is the environment we are in. You can't
stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and
then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions
to take place. And that's the environment that we are in.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Well, that's quite a heartless thing to say, but I
will say he's allowed to say that, but he should
be open for debate and to be challenged on that.
And it appears that's what's happening, and that's the whole
point of it, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Well, I mean so many of the people that are
texting through say that that because Charlie Kirk said things
that they think are hateful, that he created an environment
where this happened to him, which you know, I would
take the angle that, as I said before, that people
should be able to say whatever they believe, whatever that is,
without concern for violence. And as we read out before

(41:32):
and once the piece says, it's tragic. It's a tragedy
that we now live in a world that differences of
opinion are met with a gun. The death of Charlie
Kirk is not political violence. It's an assassination. The utter
tragedy is that Kirk traveled extensively around university campuses to
give an open mic and debate to everyone, and all
were welcome. He stood for freedom of speech and especially
fought for the right of others to express there is
even if he disagreed the essence of democracy is under

(41:54):
threat around the world and we must do everything we
can to protect it.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Oh one hundred eighty ten to eighty is the number
to call. How do you feel about fear debate in
New Zealand? Have we lost that ability? Are we too
polarized to be able to disagree without shutting each other down? Treva?
How are you?

Speaker 6 (42:10):
Hey? You've always great discussion. Don't know I could comment
about what he says, but I mean on a couple
of callers, I mean, I think it was the last
time before news to mention like why it happened, and
he mentioned that he, like Charlie Kirk, gives out mega hats.
I mean, that's just ridiculous. I mean I'd be to
be but careful with one that I got when I
was in America where I were at APE, just in
case somebody is really offended by I mean to link

(42:33):
what happened to him Because he.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Gives out mega hats.

Speaker 6 (42:35):
He throws them out into the crowd and if you
don't want one, don't take one. If you want to
take it over and use it for toilet paper, use
it for toilet paper. But ever think giving out mega
hats you know leads to situations like this, I just
think incredible and just on some of his views, But
I just want to say, you know, some of his
You know, a lot of people think his views are radical,

(42:56):
but you know, to one hundreds of millions of people
around the world, his views on traditional families, mothers and fathers,
male and female, mixing of cultures, reaching of religions. There
are hundreds and millions of people around the world agrees
with what he says. So why are they radical?

Speaker 2 (43:14):
M Yeah. I mean to some of the other callers before,
when they said he shouldn't be saying those things, it
was very distasteful. And whether a lot I agree with
his views, I've never brought into that argument that these
things are being discussed in homes and on online forums
and social media, and they are the views of millions
and millions of people out there. So to keep those

(43:34):
in the shadow and excuse those, you know, to exclude
those people from having feared debate, arguably, in my view,
I think has caused a lot of the division that
we're seeing right now. They don't feel like they can
be open with disagreeing with some of the things that
they hear, so that causes a lot of resentment, and
it's still there. It's underground, so he was trying to

(43:55):
bring it out into the open.

Speaker 6 (43:57):
No, absolutely, And as I say, it'll be hundreds of
millions of people around the world have his views on abortion.
And the sad thing about it, a lot of those
people or be not saying anything I might appeal and
so on. And I just think it's incredible that probably
more people might have his views than the counterview. Another
thing I want to say, he mentioned Donald Trump and
he liked Donald Trump. Charlie Kirk's views would have been

(44:21):
were formed before Donald Trump comes along. Donald Trump comes along,
and he told us before his elections his thoughts on
a Bullton, his thoughts on immigration and things like that.
But you know, he won the popular vote in America
with Donald Trump saying his thoughts. He won the popular
vote in America, so more Americans weren't concerned about Donald

(44:43):
Trump's views on rainbow rits on all those other things.
And as I say, Charlie Kirk, of course he knows
what Donald Trump says, but his views, I guarantee, weren't
given to him from Donald Trump. He would have had
the world before Donald Trump come along.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Yeah, I mean their Christian conservative views, aren't they primarily
what Charlie Kirk follows, And in recent times those have
become incredibly CONTROVERSI probably not controversial twenty years ago or
even fifteen years ago a lot of what Charlie Kirk said,
but just to sort of point out something that you know,
David said the caller that you're referring to. He did

(45:20):
say that it was abhorrent what happened, but he was
kind of pushing back on the idea that Charlie Kirk,
Charlie Kirk was some kind of saint of debate, which
is what I was saying, that he was very open
in debate, and I watched the Oxford Union debate and
thought he was very respectful. And I think David's point
was just that he might not be as saint like

(45:41):
as I was saying in that aspect of his life,
and that the way he was promoted as YouTube crips
were quite inflammatory. That's all that David was saying, but
he was agreeing it was.

Speaker 6 (45:52):
Mate, You're probably right, but for him to say that
somebody with views like that can't go along to a
university campus and discuss them and debate them. You know,
that's just incredible.

Speaker 14 (46:03):
Look, I'll tell you what I mean.

Speaker 6 (46:05):
I don't know what cander Zones is thinking now. And
I think it was discussed thing that Candace Owens wasn't
allowed in New Zealand because of some of the views
she had that some I agree with, some I didn't
agree with. But it was absolutely disgusting that some I mean,
Candace owns down must be really and people like you
must really really be thinking their situation. And it's really

(46:26):
really sad because there are hundreds of millions of people
that you can sit down and have a beer with,
have a barbecue with, mix with, go socially with. You
can sit down with them and have a good time
with them, but you don't like their views, so you
treat them like that. I just think it's worrying times thanks.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
To you, cool Trevor.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
I mean, and it shouldn't really be the debate about
the content of what he said or how he presented
it anyway. I mean, that's the idea of free speech.
You want to hear what other people have to say,
even if you disagree with it. That's the whole point.
So whether you think what he said was wrong or
right or whatever is not the arguably not the issue.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
It's the idea of excluding or shelting down particular views
because you don't like them and it doesn't really matter
what that view is. Any side that does that, to
me is abhorrent because people believe in those things and
they want the ability to debate them and they don't
want to be shamed for thinking those things. And that's
what's happened in society over the past four years. It's
not really a.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Left right issue, no at all, because there's been things
in the past that from both sides of political spectrum
that have that have.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Been shut down. Yeah, you know exactly.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
It used to It used to be the Catholic Church
that was often shutting down a debate when when I
was younger, they used to be the chief census. Very true,
people only believe in free speech if it's what they
believe in. Sadly, the earlier caller tried to describe that
was a disrespectful debating discussion, but what he really meant
was that they did not agree with Charlie Kirk's thoughts.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yeah right, keen to get your views in New Zealand.
Are we losing the space and the will to really
listen to views We don't like fear debates, really keen
to hear from you. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
This is a bizarre text. What are you guys even
talking about? He was able to debate in public for
a long time. It was a more on with a
gun that stopped that. Uh. He was thirty one when
he died, so he wasn't speaking in public for a huge.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Amount of time in his life. Yeah, what a weird text.
But thank you. That is your right to text through
and we love it. It's sixteen path two. You should
be glad to speak in public forever.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk, said be.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
It's eighteen past two. Have we forgotten how to debate
without dividing? In New Zealand? Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty C number.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
To call the six is Hey, laz, there's no debate
in New Zealand anymore. Did we sit down and debate
climate change or the COVID vaccine?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
No, we didn't.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
That's why we had doctors at Sea that were fired
for speaking out against the propaganda the government puts out.
My daughter goes to college and is in this environment class.
All they are told is climate change is happening without
looking at both sides.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
It's disgusting. Thank you for the text.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
The Charlie Kirk assassination is abhorrent. He was a conservative
Christian debater who folks on facts and not emotions and
has been assassinated because people could not engage, would not
engage in factual debate. This is the tolerant left and
full action and being exposed for what they are. So
the shooter is currently on the loose yep, still at large.

(49:25):
So we are making assumptions that it was a political shooting.
I mean, it seems highly highly likely that it is
considering who Charlie Kirk was. But we will find out
more when they find who shot him.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yep, the true motivations will come to lights. But it
certainly reignited the debate about free speech here in New
Zealand and elsewhere. But really, can hear your views, Peter,
how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 8 (49:49):
Eighteen?

Speaker 14 (49:51):
I think this is the stays a very important crossroads.
So on, like you're talking about on the free speech.

Speaker 8 (49:57):
Now when Trump it.

Speaker 14 (49:58):
Came down that tower and assumed the seat of the
White House, there was an active campaign to hush anything
that was Republican related. You know, the talking guys, you know,
the Shapiro's and Michael Knowles and Kirks weren't even allowed
on university campuses and it was just straight out hush.

(50:20):
You can't say anything. You're not allowed to say anything.

Speaker 8 (50:22):
We don't like it.

Speaker 14 (50:24):
And it's taken pretty much four years for you know,
the circle to turn back around and for them to engage.
And what I like about Charlie is he knew that
the kids of the future and yes he did a
lot of university's talks, because that's where the future lies
with the kids that are up and coming. And I

(50:46):
think where we're in a place where what's happening in
Britain and Australia with free speech is terrorboards. You know,
you'd be arrested for writing something on Facebook. And I
think we're a step away from the same the same place.
But we need people like kirk or or other other

(51:10):
players in the field left or right to carry on it,
you know. And I look at Taku de Ferra's little
video the other night. He has every right to say
that was it right? Probably not. Is he going to
get in trouble for it? He might do, but he
still has that right.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Absolutely.

Speaker 14 (51:27):
And it's a multi Maori seat for Molti people. And
I think we shouldn't bad word. I don't say, assassinate
him by using words. He has any right to say
that he's show so he should.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
But everyone but other people, but other people have every
right to push back about it against it equally hard.

Speaker 14 (51:47):
Exactly exactly like I ye, people say, I Charlie was
right up Trump's bumb Well, he actually disagreed with a
lot of things that Trump had to do, but he
was a Republican so he kept the he kept the
party together with Lye and like you said, the Christianity thing,
hear me Christianity. And I think it's a very sad

(52:10):
and worrisome day that you know, things could to be
the way in this and without those those free voices
that have the ability to reach out the people in
debate at doing it fairly, I think where it's a
very very slippery slope unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
I mean there's no doubt Peter that trust across the
board and institutions, government and the inter media. We can
see it. It's out there. Is it record lows and
continues to go down. I mean, do you think that
is a part of it? Because we have lost that
ability to debate fairly, to hear other's point of views
without shutting it down, to not cause that resentment that
if you've got a particular view, you're an idiot and

(52:53):
you don't deserve to be heard.

Speaker 14 (52:55):
Well, yeah, I agree with you. People don't want to
hear you if they don't align with you, right, And
this is the time where you need to be vocal.
And I kind of like, I don't care if people
don't like my are my views? And but do I
go publicly debate them? But if someone asked my opinion,

(53:15):
it's you know, came on, do you have right?

Speaker 11 (53:18):
So?

Speaker 14 (53:19):
Do you?

Speaker 3 (53:19):
You don't feel restricted in sharing your views at all
in New Zealand society, Peter. You feel like you can
get your stuff out.

Speaker 14 (53:29):
If I'm if I'm asked directly, I'll get my stuff out.
Like my whole family know where I politically align, and
I think so of my friends, and I've got friends
on both sides of the spectrum, and they go it's
just pick grand team again. But they still look they
you know, they still listen. So I think it's really important.

(53:52):
And if I, if I decided to change and switch sides,
it'll be a massive surprise for some people.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
But do you think do you think people should do
you think people that don't have friends on different sides
of political spectrums should worry?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
You know?

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Do you think people should seek people with different views?

Speaker 14 (54:13):
One percent? So even more more say at work, like,
I'm a little bit worried about being canceled at work,
But then I go, well, why why would I be worried.
I'm at work to do my job, So I don't
talk about what I personally believe in unless I'm asked,
and then yeah, you go from there, and yeah, because
you can't get that out of an interview before you

(54:35):
start your job. You know, that always comes later where
that you don't like the teachers or the firemen get
paid too much, and you know, it's that's just life.
But I agree with what you said that you shouldn't
have friends on both sides of the whatever opinion you have,
because what else you talk about? You talk about stupid

(54:56):
apps on phones.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
And you know it's pretty hard and the engagement.

Speaker 6 (55:03):
Yeah yeah, and that's.

Speaker 14 (55:05):
My parents align with parents, right because we have sudden
can comment kids. Yeah, where for Tyler, you know, you're
out the back door. You're not part of the club yet,
but you will be and the whole world will open.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
That Oh my god, this is I totally agree with
you that that is a real change in your life
when you have kids and you're suddenly on the sideline
of sports games and you're at kids parties and you
meet people from every different walk of life. And I've
met so many great friends that have continued to be
my friends that I never would have met if it
wasn't for kids. But if you're just going through and
only selecting people and you're not forced to be friends

(55:41):
with people like you are under those circumstances, then then
I think you miss out and really understanding what New
Zealand is.

Speaker 14 (55:49):
I'm in a situation at the moment where I've got
a sixteen year old that I don't agree with what
she's been told at school, and I've got the partner
that doesn't agree politically, So it's not but it's not
a minefield. It's my daughter. No, no, you need so
you need to read up on the other side, read

(56:10):
up on this to understand where that came from. And
it's interesting because these teachers are teaching some of these
kids just one perspective of whatever the engagement is, and
that's that's scary. I'd like to say we are aunt college.
We knew both sides of history, but cheaper. It's it's

(56:32):
a mind field that's interesting. But you do it because
that's why you're a parent.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
I look forward to that. Thank you so much for
your call.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
I mean, there's there's a thing and I've talked about
on the show before called steel manning the opposition argument.
So too often now and this is what social media,
you know, incentivizes, is to straw man the argument. So
you you create a weak version of the opposition, so
it's easy to beat them down. But you know, if

(57:02):
you've got a strong belief and you really really back
your belief, then then you probably they should steal man
the opposition's argument. And that's why free speech is a
great thing, because you hear the best proponents of the
opposite opposing opinion out there, and then you steal your
argument by steal manning their argument. So you put together
the best possible description and fairest description of the opposing

(57:28):
article and then see if you can beat that. And
without free speech, you don't get that opportunity because all
you ever hear is the opinion that you already agree with,
and as a result, your opinions get weaker and weaker
and weaker, and they don't stand up to the tests
that debate. A proper, serious to head debate with the
best version of the opposing argument gives you.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
It's a great way to do it, but that requires
a lot of focus and a lot of determination from someone.
Not to bring in a straw man, but love to
hear your thoughts on this. I one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is debate fair debate, alive and well in
this country? Or does it need some work? Fellers.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
I haven't been the sad about a celebrity dying ever.
Didn't agree with a lot of what Charlie thought, but
I did agree with some of it. I am so
over all of this, so over the left.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Keep those techs coming through on nine two nine two.
It's twenty eight past two.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news talk Z.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Be very good afternoons. You it is twenty nine two
three and we've had so many techs come through on
the idea of free debate in New Zealand. Is it
still there or do you think it is eroding fast?
I really can you get your views on this? Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
in nine two ninety two for the text, and plenty
of those coming through to.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Use Charlie Kirk's religious beliefs against them. I say, dance
with the deal devil, Deal with the devil. He invited
the devil and got the devil, and then the devil
got him. That's how it works, right, Well, that's apocalyptic.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
That is very apocalyptic.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
The stixsus his words are not violent. Shooting someone in
the neck is violence. Yeah, yeah, I'm shooting someone certainly violence.
Shooting some of the neck is violence, that's for sure.
Mark our guys, Charlie Kirk proved himself right, just in
the most devastating, sad and tractic way possible.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
That's remarked. Yeah right, we're going to carry this on
after the headline's really keen on your views of one
hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you can't get throw
on the phones, keep trying. And if you want to
send a text nine two nine two headlines with Jody coming.

Speaker 11 (59:22):
Up, you talks at the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis
it's no trouble with the Blue Bubble. The suspect is
still at large. Following the shooting and killing of conservative
activist Charlie Kirk in the US, former Labour Cabinet minister
Stuart Nash has resigned from his recruitment agency job after

(59:44):
a remark about women aren zed reports. Nash resigned from
Robert Walters after a formal review was launched following comments
made during an interview on the platform. The MP for
Honganui's defending not disclosing twenty five properties placed in a
family trust trust link to National's Carl Bates own the properties.

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The government was warned its plan too bad. One install
card surcharges was likely to raise costs for those using
low cost methods like cash Commerce. Minister Scott Simpson announced
the ban on sur charges like payWave. We'll be in
place by May next year. An online fundraiser has been
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Now back to Matt Heath and Tita Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Thank you very much, Jo Jody So. On the back
of the assassination of Charlie Kirk at a Utah event
in the US at a university campus, we're asking the question,
are we still allowed to speak our minds here in
New Zealand as respectful debate being replaced by outrage in silence?
Or do you think you can still have a genuine
fear discussion with someone who disagrees with you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
The six is Matt he got shot because someone had
a gun, like thousands upon thousands of others every year
in the USA. But he didn't give a crap about
that when he avidly argued that anyone can and should
have a gun. Literally he did say that over and
over because of tyrannical governments, while someone thought he was
tyrannical government. So he was okay with what happened. And
for the record, I agreed with most of Kirk's arguments

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except his obsession with freedom regarding guns.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Full on opinion. That is a very full on opinion.
But keep those coming through nine two nine two. But
you're allowed full on opinions. Yep, we love them on
these shows.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Of Stuart Nash. Though, yes, had to step down for
making a joke.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
I mean that kind of falls into a little bit
of the discussion we're having right now, right that he
has lost his job Stuart Nash. If you didn't, if
you missed that headline story in the headlines, I should
say that Stuart Nash has been forced to stand down
from his job after coins made too well we know
is that he's resigned. It's been forced to stand out.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
But what does it matter if someone just says something
stupid and then as long as they apologize. As soon
as they apologize, you go, okay, mate, that's all right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Yeah, okay, seems a step too far to me. We
all said something stupid, absolutely, Tom, How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 7 (01:02:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:02:13):
Good gents, Yeah, I say something stupid pretty much every
other day.

Speaker 8 (01:02:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:02:21):
The way that we've civil discourse nowadays, it seemed to
have evaporated, whether it's coal mining, whether it's dairying, dairy farmers.

Speaker 8 (01:02:32):
There.

Speaker 15 (01:02:33):
Once upon a time when a certain group were in power,
they were called dirty dairying. Now that they now that
we need the funds coming in from them, everything's tickety boo.
It's yeah, it's a shame. And that's just on that
aspect of society. We've had people Yummy em Andy come
over to the country to try and get in and

(01:02:55):
he got he got hounded out, or he didn't even
get past the border. He did make it back later on.
But yeah, and I think that the media, you guys
are actually very good, but the media in this country
can be very one sided, and I think they have
a lot to answer for. They should be able to

(01:03:15):
find middle ground. Yeah, it's a shame. And what went
on today being a conservative white Christians, it's an occupational
has it by the sounds of it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Yeah. So, just going back to you mentioned the outrage
towards farming in New Zealand and it was clearly there
for some time. Are you speaking as a farmaton Are
you in that industry yourself?

Speaker 15 (01:03:40):
I'm no, no, but I've got plenty of friends that are.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Well, the reason I asked that is I can absolutely
see why that resentment bubbled up is that hard working
farmers and no doubt they work incredibly hard and they
do incredible things for this country. And then at that
point in time and hopefully that started to change. To
then go to a party or go into a pub
and someone who's not a farmer looks at you with disdain.
That is a horrible place to be as a society.

Speaker 15 (01:04:06):
Yeah, especially when you've been working. You're working all day
and you go down there to relax. It's the last
thing you need is a joke flowing at or what
have you, or someone blue haired rinse here person getting
all up in arms. And it's seems that come from
one direction to nowadays. Not to say that people on
the conservative side don't have their problems, but it seems

(01:04:30):
to have become non debatable and it's very very sad,
and people have got to take a take a step back,
take a breather.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
That's the thing, Tom, you know, whether you strongly disagree
with someone or not, taking a step back, taking a
breather and formulating your argument and pitching your best argument
at them and then listening to their argument and then
pitching your argument back. I mean, that's really the way forward.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Isn't it. I mean, and if you can't do that,
then how good is your argument?

Speaker 7 (01:05:00):
Really?

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
If you can't listen to the opposing argument quietly and
then when they're finished speaking, give your argument and defeat
them with your logic, then what are you really doing?
What do you really believe in? You know, what are
you really fighting for?

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
If you can't do that theology? Yeah, no, thank you
very And it should be enjoyable. Absolutely. You know, we've all,
I'm hoping many people out there that have had genuine
good debates that at the end it is enjoyable and
you grow and you learn things that you didn't know
before and you accept actually you've got information I didn't have.
Isn't that a good thing?

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
The sex is sooner your listener learned. Guns don't kill people.
They don't get up and decide, oh, I'm going to
kill someone today. I mean, that's a good point. Guns don't.
But I'm a little bit terrified after watching that episode
of Black Mirror where they had that AI dog gun.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Oh that thing, so that was unstoppable.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Unfortunately, we're going to live in a time some point
where guns are going to get up and go to kill.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
That thing is terrifying, right, it is nineteen to three,
but we're taking your calls on oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty fair debate in New Zealand? Does it
still exist? Keen to get your views?

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
The sextis says are roading fast? What are you talking about?
We literally have laws preventing free speech. Okay, news to me,
all right, Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
News talks be it is seventeen to two three? Is
fair debates still alive and well in New Zealand? Love
your thoughts on this nine two ninety two is the
text and so many have come through over the past.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
Aaron, A bit absolutely piling. And you have the right
to your opinion. You don't have the right to force
it upon others, nor silence the opinion of others. My
opinions of mine. If you like them, great, if you don't, great, cheers.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Bop Okay's problematically said, yeah, I can agree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
I mean, yeah, you you have a right to share
your opinions in public, but I mean forcing them on
someone else. I mean, what does that entail Marching into
the house and standing in front of the TV and
yelling at them where they're trying to watch the news.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Yeah, water boarding them with your reckons. Yeah, that's a
bit too far.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
I mean, you kind of do have the right in
the way. I mean, there's the right of protest. You know,
there's been a number of times where I've come in
to work and there's been people with placards that have
shouted abuse at me for nothing that I've ever done
or anything revolt related to me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Yeah, yeah, that is a weird situation.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
But I wouldn't have called the police and said, can
you remove these protesters? They seem to be abusing me
over nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
I'm like, you kind of do have the right to
force your your opinion on people to a certain extent
with a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
But you can walk away as well, right, And I
suppose if we go back to the Charlie Kirk incident,
everybody who was at that rally was there to listen
or to debate them. They could have walked away at
any stage. He wasn't forcing anybody to stay there and
engage with what he had to say.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Yeah, what's the definition of a rally because it wasn't
a political rally, was it. It was a It was
a campus debate. Yeah, what does he put on his tents?
He put it proved me wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
With me wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
So he sets up a tent. You can come and
try and prove them wrong. There's a mic for him,
there's a mic for for anyone that wants to try
and prove them wrong.

Speaker 8 (01:08:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Right, So I think rally not the right word. Yeah cool, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call Love to hear your thoughts about free debate in
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Hey, guys, free speech is definitely an important part of
any society, but people need to understand that free of
speech does not mean freedom from scrutiny. Just because you
have an opinion doesn't mean you shouldn't be held to
account for it. Dan, that's absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Mitchell. Welcome to the show. Hello Mitchell, Yeah, hello, hello,
hello Mitchell. We can hear you now you go.

Speaker 8 (01:08:39):
Hey, how are you doing good?

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Oh Mitchell's gone again. Oh sorry, just hold there, Mitchell.
We're going to reset because your phone's coming in and out,
so hopefully that's come right now what's your thoughts about
free debate?

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
Oh, look, I just don't think we're able to have
the New Zealand at the moment people get a scene
of too easily.

Speaker 16 (01:09:01):
But look, I just want to say that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
He's just been censored. He's just talking about how we
can't have free debate. And then whoever runs is whatever
tailcut he's signed up to is cut him out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Spark votafone one of them, two degrees. Shame on you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
I'm not a conspiratorial guy, but I think Mitchell was
being taken down by ESTELLCA.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
That's the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
We'll try and get you back, Mitchells. Want to hear
what you have to say.

Speaker 8 (01:09:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
In the meantime, let's have a chance to stand get
a stand.

Speaker 17 (01:09:27):
Away, guys. I think what Charlie kirk Kirk has suffered
as the ultimate mob veto. We're seeing this kind of veto,
though not so violently in New Zealand. I remember when
Cosey Parker tried to give a speech in the park

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in Auckland and the behavior by the those who opposed her,
the so called progressive liberals, was disgusting. In fact, somebody
got charged and prosecuted for assault at that time as well.
And unfortunately this is occurring in New Zealand as well,
and what has happened to Charlie will have a chilling

(01:10:12):
effect on free speech. I'm a phrase in New Zealand
and especially in America in other countries. Where were you
seeing seeing this in Britain where you post something pretty
innocious on Facebook and the police a knocking on your
door because somebody was offended.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Yeah, Graham.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
You're talking about Graham Lyne and particularly he was arrested
at an airport by five police recently the father ted
co creator for for some some posts he put up
on x He's actually just tweeted today. They couldn't beat
him in debate, so they shot him. So he's still.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
He's stay firing some bombs, isn't he?

Speaker 14 (01:10:52):
Isn't it the truth?

Speaker 11 (01:10:53):
I mean?

Speaker 17 (01:10:54):
And I picked up what your earlier callers David and
Coleen were saying was, oh, well, look, you know, I
don't agree that Charlie should have been assassinated, but really
he said mean things. I mean, hello, he said mean things. Unfortunately,
it's this sort of thinking it doesn't matter how then

(01:11:15):
somebody might say something doesn't mean that they deserve to
be shot.

Speaker 8 (01:11:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
I also think it is if you don't agree with
what Charlie Kirk was saying, or it doesn't really matter
who is giving their views. I think it's almost kind
of self defeating because and I've said it earlier and
I'll say it again, those views exist out there. So
by shouting them down and refusing to listen to them
and saying that those people are idiot or morally inferior

(01:11:41):
or wrong, just causes that resentment and that division to grow,
and those people to get angrier and angrier, and that
causes more problems for those who are trying to shut
it down. Well, it's Graham.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Lenehand just said, tweeted recently, they just created a million
Charlie Kirk's exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
You don't shut you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Don't generally get rid of the opinions by suppressing them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:12:05):
Well, I mean the thing is that they couldn't they
couldn't match it, you know, in debate, and that's and
that's the problem with a lot of the so called
progressives because a lot of their ideologies I'm pretty flawed.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Yeah, cool, Stan, thank you very much. I think we've
got Mitchell back.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Mitchell hopefully not being suppressed by your Telco anymore, and
we can hear you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
No, no, I'll be having a debate with them at
some point.

Speaker 8 (01:12:34):
Listen.

Speaker 6 (01:12:34):
I was.

Speaker 8 (01:12:34):
I was incredibly sad.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
And when I heard the news about Charlie, you know,
lunchtime today, I was actually watching him on Facebook this
morning from my hotel room in Wellington. And you know,
and he wasn't the video I was watching wasn't actually
about him debating.

Speaker 8 (01:12:52):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
He was giving some really good solid advice to a
young girl at the microphone. And she said, look, my
parents are my parents are apart. My mom has one
political view, my dad has another. How do I how
do I how do I navigate that? Do I lean
toward my mum? Do I lean toward my dad? And
you know, and he said, he just said, she gave
some really good advice.

Speaker 18 (01:13:13):
Is like, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
The first thing was he talked about talked about from
a biblical point of view, honor your mother and father,
right and and and that's a that's a principle I
do believe in. But he went on to basically say, listen,
you you need to you need to have an inquiry
mind and form your own view about what you want
to believe in, and then when you're engaging with your

(01:13:37):
mom and your dad, you're able to then put across
what you think you believe in. So you don't have
to side with your mom. If you if you, if you,
if that's what you believe, go for it. If you
believe what your dad thinks, go for it. But you
actually have to not please mom and dad in terms
of falling under their political thoughts, but develop your own thoughts.

(01:14:01):
And I just thought it was really good. So he
wasn't debating her. She was actually not of voting age.
She was looking she's looking for information. She wanted to
be able to make a decision about her own political views,
and so he was giving her advice around that. It
wasn't even debating. I thought it was really great the

(01:14:22):
way he went about that. He didn't belittle her. He
didn't say, well, listen, you need you should lean one
way or the other. He was like, really solid advice.
You need to do some fact finding and come to
your own conclusions. And I just thought that that was
really good. So for all the debates he had out there,

(01:14:45):
I think being able to just offer really good, solid
sound advice to a young girl at the microphone. I
just thought that was great, and that's the video that
I was watching this morning, and like I said, I
was really saddened by what I've heard today. And to
answer your question about what happens here in New Zealand,
I think it's become increasingly difficult us to have an open, transparent,

(01:15:12):
civil conversation with people. You know, I've literally been estranged
from relatives and family members because of differing views around
you know, transgender and homosexuality.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Yeah, and a lot of people would be in that
situation as well, Mitchell.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Yeah, sorry to cut you off, but we have some
ads arriving like a steam train to shut us down.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
We certainly do back very soon.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
We're running out of time, but I just want to
say I believe free speech is important, not just for
the speaker, but for the listener. You need to know
what the other people think so you can challenge and
test what you believe. You may disagree with ninety percent
of it, but someone might say something that adds to
your life or encourage everyone to steal man the views
of those they disagree with, or so i'd add. A
thirty one year old father of two who loved his

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kids as dead, which is very sad no matter what
you think of his beliefs.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Well he was here.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
New Zealand will be a better place if we don't
end up where America is, where people are killed for
publicly sharing their beliefs, whatever those beliefs happen to be.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Yeah, great discussion. Thank you to everybody who joined in
on that one. Coming up after three o'clock. Sharing passwords
with your partner a sign of trust or a boundary cross.
This is going to be a good chat. This one
might be even more controversial than the last two hours. Spicy.
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number
to call. Stay right here, will be back for shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Your new home are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Sebby afternoon to you, welcome back into the program. Awesome
to company as always at a seven past three. Now,
this is going to be a spicy hour of conversation
of fair debate, hopefully reasonable debates. It might even be
more confronting than the last two hours in conversation. I
think it may be so. Doctor John Deloney, here's a

(01:17:15):
renowned year West relationship expert. He was on the Modern
Wisdom podcast with Chris Williamson. This is a massive podcast
listen to tens, if not hundreds of millions of millions
of people around the world. But they were talking about
how to build a thriving relationship, and very quickly they
ventured into a question should your partner know all of
your passwords?

Speaker 5 (01:17:36):
the codes to your phones, email accounts, and social media accounts,
and you should have that as period. If your spouse
isn't trustworthy, are safe? You need to head directly into
this challenge asap. You're worthy of safety and peace. If
you're hiding things from your spouse, let today be your
independence day from secret, shame and fear. You are worth
finally taking a full deep bra. How do people respond

(01:17:57):
to that?

Speaker 8 (01:17:58):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Well, man, let's go, Well, dude, yeah, let's go, let's go.
I mean you can see by the response of the
host there it is an comfortable discussion for a lot
of people. The sharing the unbridled sharing of all your
passwords to all your devices for your partner or your
spouse to go through willy nilly. Where do you sit

(01:18:18):
on this mat?

Speaker 7 (01:18:19):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
What do you got to hide? Tyler? That's what I say.
What have you got to hide? People out there?

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
What would be possibly the reason why you wouldn't allow
your partner to have access.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
To to your to your stuff. I mean, look, there
are spicy WhatsApp.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
Threads that I meant with my friends where we just
try and be as offensive as we can to each other.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Yep, and they've just got no doubt of that. There's
absolute career enders in there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Yeah, but I don't think my partner doesn't know that
there's that side of me exists.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Has she seen them? Has she ventured into there? You
wouldn't care if she did.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
If there's a really really spicy one, I'll share it.
But I mean there's people in some threads that I'm
involved that regularly delete them that these can't, this, this
thread can't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
I've been there before. I've been there before.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
Because because what people don't understand is that you're not
saying what you think you're saying the most offensive thing
you can to shock and annoy your friend. Yeah, in
your group, and then there's certain everyone's got them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
There's certain WhatsApp threads that are just rolling. You know,
you have to have a shower after you've engaged in them. Yeah, yeah,
well but that's part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
But I guess what I'm saying is, you know, if
you trust someone, then you say, look, if there's areas
that you don't want your partner to look at, you know,
I say, I prefer if this family chat, for example.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Is not it's not you don't look at.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
That, because that's I mean, because it goes both ways, right, Tyler.
I don't have any interest in going through my partner's.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Stuff, Yes, carry on, I've absolutely no interest in it
at all.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
And I assume she's got no interest in going through
my stuff, So why would I try and hide it.
I think I think she could find nothing more boring
than going through and I think she'd probably find out
that I was way nerdier than she thought when she
went into the intense save with my friends about movies,
and you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Know that is dangerous. I remember once when I.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Was at university, my girlfriend came home and she found
me and my flatmates and dressed in costumes, are under
sitting around a candle playing dungeons and dragons and cows.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
And she said to.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Me, I wish I'd have preferred to walk in and
find you cheating on me with another woman and seeing
seeing this nerdy display.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
She's not right, But hence my points so that you've
got no interest in going into your partner's Facebook messages,
into her phone to see who she's got texting and
correct me if I'm wrong here. But the reason you've
got no interest is one you probably will find it
really boring, but also the trust is there, so there's
no need to Yeah. Yeah, so that is my point.

(01:20:54):
So Mabe does have my password to my phone. She
can go in any time she likes, but she can't
take it away because still there's that element of I
still think there's I still need an element of privacy
even and our.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
As she tried to take it for a forensic examination
of what you've been up to, well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
She she's delved into the Facebook messages when she so
she says, can I just have your phone because I
just want to have a look at a recipe that
we were talking about the other night and I had
it on my phone and then I see you go
into the weing messages and then she just start scrolling
down and just having a look and see what else
has been going on and.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Has she come across? And he texts me messages from
your girlfriend that you've got on the side. I mean,
are you cheating on it?

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Definitely not cheating. I mean, you know I love.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
You, not cheating? Is that kind of like Bill Clinton?
I did not have sexual relations with that woman. You're saying,
definitely not cheating. Is there another woman in your life romantically?

Speaker 11 (01:21:47):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
I mean, Mave would would leave me at a heartbeat,
I think, and I couldn't afford that, mate. I could
not afford Pave to leave me. But financially, yeah, well,
all accounts, all accounts, she's the only Yeah, it's so romantic,
but she has found sort of conversations that taken out
of context, and then the questions start coming up and say, oh,
what does this mean? What's going on here? And then

(01:22:10):
that mistrust starts to kind of see itself and say,
you're reading too much into this. There's enough thing going
on here. This is just a weird guys group chat
that it looks like quite dark humor because it is,
but you don't have to worry about it. It's nothing
about her. It's just some weird humor that she stumbled
across that I'd just rather not have to explain.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
Well, I think you have to worry more about your mates.
I mean, there's been a lot of occasions in my life
and I've done it to my friends where you leave
your phone on the table and then or you know,
go to the bathroom, leave your phone there it's open,
and then suddenly a bunch of tweets come out and
some text messages go out of shocking content when they
try and humiliate you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Yeah, and that's the danger because I don't trust my friends,
but I do trust my partner. Yeah. Oh, one hundred
eighty ten eighty. How do you feel about this one?
Do you share wholeheartedly, unbridled your passwords to all of
your devices with your spouse or your partner? What do
you think there still needs to be an elemental modicum
of privacy in your life, even if you're not hiding anything,

(01:23:10):
just the ability to hold some things to yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
What are you saying to your partner when you say
to her or him, I will not share my passwords
with you, and I will not allow you into my phone.
This Texas says wise to use a Berna phone whilst
leaving your real phone on the counter.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Okay, that is a strategy right now. Thank you very
much for that. Keep those things giving it on nine
two nine to two. So sharing log and info with
your significant other does it build trust or does it
blur important lines? Love to hear from you his talk
zid be so is given your partner your phone password
an act of love or a privacy red flag? O
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

(01:23:49):
to call. Janine, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 19 (01:23:52):
Hey, how are you?

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
What do you think about sharing passwords and such with
your partner?

Speaker 19 (01:23:58):
Passwords not an issue. We have the same pass code
so that he doesn't have to remember mine and I
don't have to remember her. Brilliant No easy, just preace k.
The kids know, we know it. There's never the kids
have to have the same thing. Have access to everybody,
nothing hidden.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Have you ever gone on a fact finding mission into
your partner's social media texts and such? Have you ever
gone in there looking for information?

Speaker 7 (01:24:24):
No?

Speaker 19 (01:24:24):
I don't need to. If I needed to, it wouldn't
be an issue. But no, I have a separate bank account.
Oh yeah, I can buy things for the kids or
you know that sort of stuff, because he's quite money focused.
But that's joint accounts. All the rest of it, emails, everything, we.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Share one email, right, yeah, right.

Speaker 19 (01:24:45):
And there's no questions. You don't have to have a conversation,
you don't have to have a then there's no questions
of trust or non trust because it's just there. And
so you don't need to go looking because it's there,
it's available, So there's no Yeah, if we don't go
into each other's phones because we don't need to.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
If he came up to you tomorrow and you need
to go into his phone because there's some information you
need to get completely innocent to something that you needed
to get or you whatever, pass what you need and
suddenly you were locked out, would you be like, what's
going on here?

Speaker 8 (01:25:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:25:14):
Absolutely, because that would be totally.

Speaker 6 (01:25:16):
Out of the norm.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Yeah. And so you do have some separate bank accounts,
is that right, Janine?

Speaker 19 (01:25:22):
Just one, just one separate bank account that I have
money and that we can I can go on, like,
you know, if I want to do things for the
kids or or or buy treats that he.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
Who puts money into that? Do you both put money
into that or just you?

Speaker 8 (01:25:34):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
Just me?

Speaker 8 (01:25:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
Is that because he would go, nah, the kids don't need.

Speaker 19 (01:25:40):
That or nah, and that wasn't that was an extra
that you didn't need. And look, if he came to
me tomorrow and said, can I see that account? One
hundred percent, i'd sharm't. But it's just an unspoken that's there,
and it just it quietly ticks away. And if the
boys need something or are.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
You taking it?

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
Are you taking other guys out for dinner on that account?
Or is it above four?

Speaker 7 (01:26:00):
You know what?

Speaker 19 (01:26:01):
Someone said that to me recently. I'd love to.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Have the time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Yeah, it's always the question, Yeah, what what's this? What's
this dinner at the French cafe? Flowers do time?

Speaker 19 (01:26:14):
Yeah, the time would be fantastic to be able to
think about that.

Speaker 18 (01:26:17):
Lettlone do it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Is there any any time where you've opened up the
laptop or the old email shit email, and you've got
an email that is not nefurious or grubby or anything
like that, but just a bit weird and you've said
to your husband and say, hey, what were you what
were you looking up here.

Speaker 19 (01:26:33):
No, no, the odd car part that's been purchased.

Speaker 7 (01:26:38):
What time?

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
What time a night was that car park purchased car part?

Speaker 19 (01:26:42):
Or it could be any time of the night him
and car parks.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Because here's a famous establishment that used to put up
the name of car parts.

Speaker 6 (01:26:54):
Is the right? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
If the car pass at three am, then no?

Speaker 18 (01:26:58):
No?

Speaker 19 (01:26:59):
Okay, well tasy well asleep at that time and it
would have it would arrive as a car path.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
I'm shooting, okay, all right, it's good to know. Yeah,
very engagement. I might have actually spoken in a turn there. Yeah.
I don't think that exists anymore? Does it really that
there's the old car part at three thirty am?

Speaker 15 (01:27:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Yeah? Why do you always order your car parts? Why
are you going to Jefson Porium at three o'clock in
the morning. Oh, one hundred eighty is the number to goo?
How do you feel about sharing your passwords with your
significant other or do you like to have a modicum
of privacy even if you're not hiding anything?

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
The sticks said, I'd love I'd leave my partner if
they wanted to look at my phone. Oh okay, if
they want to look, right, I mean, but I mean
it's It's interesting because I think that my part would
have couldn't care less about what's on my phone. I
think she'd be like, I get enough of your boring crap,
just having to listen to you all rabbiting on what

(01:27:58):
the latest thing you watched on YouTube or the latest
book you're reading. Yeah, last thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
I want is more information on you. That's that's true love,
isn't it less? I want to hear less from you,
not more. I'm not going to go searching for more.
That is beautiful, mate. Right. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to cool giving your partner
your phone password? Is it an act of love? Is
it a strong relationship? Or do you think something should
remain a little bit private? It is twenty one past three.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
And do you think Tyler's cheating on his partner because
he wants her not on his phone?

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Very good afternoon, TU twenty three pass three? Is sharing
passwords with your partner a symbol of trust or a
step too far?

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
I used to be a cheetah, says this text and
always locked my phone from my ex ten years ago.
I met this amazing woman and married her six years ago.
In the ten years with her, I never cheated, phone
was never locked, and she got access to all my
social media. A year ago, she started to lock her
phone and work late. I asked her why her phone
is locked, and she's hed it's a for privacy at work.

(01:29:02):
I had to pay a company heaps the money to
get her deleted messages and found out she's having an affair.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Wow, what a story. Wow. I mean that that took
a twist, but once a cheater, the cheater would know.
So you can get pay someone to get the deleted
messages of your partner. Yeah, if you're in the game,
I love to hear from you. On eight hundred and
eight ten eighty, Paul sent.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
A little pay a little play through girlfriend. Why have
I found pictures of naked woman on your phone? Boyfriend?
Because you're nosy, very good.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We're just having some problems with the phone system at
the moment, So if you can't get through, just keep trying.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
I think we blew up the phones in the last
hour of the amount of calls coming through on the
Charlie Kirkish.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Yeah, I think debated New Zealand's I think.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
It's overheated, the phones not working properly, so we'll stick
to text texts for a while. Yep, hey guys, I
believe yes. And we now share passwords after many years
of not. My husband ended up in hospital in the
coma due to sepsis and I couldn't pay the bills
online due to him having all that information. We now
have pass words written down in a safe place should

(01:30:10):
we need to access phones or computers have required otherwise.
We respect each other's privacies and there's actually been a
few people that have texted through and said their partner
died and it was very handy to have the past
words for everything.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
I can get that that is important. Chris, So, I
think we've got you now. How are you?

Speaker 8 (01:30:25):
Yeah? Good?

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Thank you very good? And what do you reckon when
it comes to past words and your wife will partner?

Speaker 16 (01:30:31):
Well, we've only got one email account, so everything goes through.
These days, if you have one email account, you can
only have one account with Facebook and things like that,
so we share everything. We even have the same excess
code for both our phones. So at the end of
the day, Hey, you know, I made.

Speaker 8 (01:30:50):
A commitment with a marriager. She made equipment to me.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
How good.

Speaker 16 (01:30:55):
If you get to hide something, then you shouldst somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
Is it not a part of your Look, there's a
lovely thing. And I'm getting a lot of a lot
of pushback on our situation. But is it not a
part do you that?

Speaker 8 (01:31:09):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Some things as an individual just needs to stab at private.
I mean, do you use the old find my Friend
app to make sure you know where each other is?
It all comes.

Speaker 8 (01:31:20):
We've got to find our phone and that sort of
stuff quite often.

Speaker 16 (01:31:24):
You know, I'm a truck driver, so when I'm doing
local runs, I quite often go.

Speaker 8 (01:31:28):
Past the houses of the car's gone.

Speaker 16 (01:31:30):
Then after a little while she doesn't answer her phone,
I'll have a look to see, you know, make sure
she's like a town or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
But that's reasonably that's not because you think she's running
off and having, you know, in a fear.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
It's because you are hoping that she hasn't been kidnapped
or something. For one of a better Yeah, it.

Speaker 16 (01:31:50):
Boils down to the pack that if you don't trust someone,
then you can't really been in a relationship with them.

Speaker 8 (01:31:57):
What do you say you understand that?

Speaker 16 (01:31:58):
You know you're thinking, okay, well, perhaps you should have
some things that the other person doesn't know about, and
that's just natural. But when it comes to things like
online stuff, I've got no reason to hide something I
know she doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
What about this text, this text that says live a little,
have a few skeletons in your closet?

Speaker 18 (01:32:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
Very have you ever?

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
But do you ever go on fact finding missions? As
the term I used before with the previous caller? Do
you ever go searching for stuff? Because that's part of trust,
isn't it? As well as that everything's open up, but
you're not having someone trying to put together a dossier
against you by going through all your group threads with
your mates and whatever you looked at on social media,
et cetera.

Speaker 8 (01:32:44):
I'm more in the lines that it won't hurt, but
I don't know about it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, quite look for something?

Speaker 16 (01:32:51):
You looking for something to have an excuse to have
a go at someone, then perhaps underlining problems that you
probably need ton't scuffle from anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Yeah, if you look for something with a suspicious mind,
you're going to find something that fulfills the narrative that
you want.

Speaker 8 (01:33:07):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 16 (01:33:08):
The more you search for something, the more clues you're
going to find that will allow you to found something.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Yeah, exactly, but I know.

Speaker 8 (01:33:17):
That plan that we're a teenager. We didn't have phones.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Yeah, right? Were you a bit of a dirty dog
back then? Chris?

Speaker 8 (01:33:26):
I was a very naughty boy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
So do you think that maybe the reason, Chris, why
you are so open with your partners because you found
the right one and you found someone that and that's
sort of and that's sort of some symptomatic of finding
the right person is that you just become an open
book with them.

Speaker 8 (01:33:45):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
Yeah, you're off the market, you're off the market.

Speaker 16 (01:33:51):
Marriage and that sort of thing. But when we got
to give it was just a person match.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Yeah, Chris, the little story. Yeah, I love your work,
Thank you very much. The boy was here a dirty
dog and his teens and anaughty, naughty boy in his
younger days. Oh my god, But lucky there's no phones
bag then or social media. This stuff Chris got up to.
If those wars could talk, right, and.

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
God, it's like Tyler in twenty twenty five filthy just
all over the shop. That's why he doesn't ever, That's
why he keeps us password secret.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
It is twenty nine pass three headlines coming up. Then
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Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
Thank you very much, Jodi. So we're talking about sharing
passwords with your significant other. This is after Dr John Deloney.
He is a very renowned US relationship expert. He was
on the Modern Wisdom podcast with Chris Williamson. This is
a huge podcast listened to by hundreds of millions of people,
and they were talking about how to build a thriving relationship.
And here's the first thing they canvassed.

Speaker 5 (01:36:12):
the codes to your phones, email accounts and social media
accounts and you should have that as period. If your
spouse isn't trustworthy, are safe, You need to head directly
into this challenge asap. You're worthy of safety and peace.
If you're hiding things from your spouse. Let today be
your independence day from secret sham and fear. You are
worth finally taking a full deep brat. How do people

(01:36:34):
respond to that?

Speaker 8 (01:36:34):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
Well, man, let's go not well dude. So we're getting
plenty of ticks on this. What I've got to say now,
My partner have said this before. She's got my password
to the phone, but I don't like her having my phone,
are going through it without me, And the reason I
don't like that is because it's a privacy thing. So
keeping my phone password private is not about hiding anything.

(01:36:55):
I'm not having any sort of a fears going on
because no other woman would have me. It's about maintaining
personal boundaries in trust, which I actually think strengthens a relationship.
But a lot of people disagree.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Part I love you, and my husband and I have
each other's passwords, yet neither of us feel the need
to snoop into the other's personal business because we trust
each other. We share bank accounts as well, but each
have a separate account into which we get weekly pocket money.
We can do what we want with that money without
scrutiny from the spouse.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Yeah, thank you from that. Jennifer. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 7 (01:37:30):
Good?

Speaker 20 (01:37:30):
God tell you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Yeah, very good. Now you're a hubby and you you
have full access to everything?

Speaker 6 (01:37:36):
Yeap?

Speaker 20 (01:37:36):
Yeah, everything.

Speaker 6 (01:37:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:37:40):
He's a bit of a techno dick. So there's a
bit of a joke in our family that I go
and break things and he fixes it for me. And
if he didn't have the passwords, he wouldn't be able
to do that. So but yeah, our whole family are
pretty open and on us done. We unfortunately lost my
mum a couple of years ago, and having access to
everything just meant that we were able to get my

(01:38:02):
dad back up and running really quickly because he's a
bit of a he's an old school farmer who struggles
with technol a year bit. So yeah, just maybe everything
a bit easier.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
That is important. So was that always the case when
you guys got together, or was it when you got
married that that was we're all going to have access
to everything that we do online and on the phones.

Speaker 6 (01:38:22):
Oh yeah, we've.

Speaker 20 (01:38:23):
Been together so long that kind of we predate all that,
but you know, just always always been open and almost
for each other. Yeah, we're kind of old school. We're
all folk who just get on them. I don't have
much to hide.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
Do you ever go for a for a look through
a look see a little bit of a ready to
what your.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Husband's sharing with us friends or jumping on a group?

Speaker 20 (01:38:50):
Yeah, a little bit like your text of before. I
hear about it all day every day. I don't need
to look.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
Yeah, I mean there is a there's sort of a
thing in relationships when it's a good one where you
get enough, you get enough and you don't need any more.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
I think that's incredibly healthy. Yeah, Jennifer, really nice to
chat with you. Thank you very much for giving us
a buzz.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
My wife and I share our passwords. My problem is
that she can't spell for quids and always and can't
spell her password correctly.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
That's it doing and this one. If some wives saw
what their husbands who are my ex has still texted me,
they'd get a wake up call, that's for sure. But
some just ignore it and go on how miserable. I
tell them I'm not interested, But if they knew, it
would cause so many issues.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
You can trust all you like, says this texter. But
if you've been cheated on or hear about it all
the time, you start to think that maybe it could
be me. And if they're not worried, they're probably just ugly,
so it's not a worry anymore, all right. It's always
the rule Mary, someone ugly and you never have to
worry again, Okay, Hines.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
It's all of a strategy. If that's worked for you,
well done. I don't know if that's rules for life, though, well,
I mean I think.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
You've got I think if you spend a life worrying
that someone's cheating on you, it's not a great life, right.
I think you just got to go around and assume
that the person isn't cheating on you and do no
investigations and otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
I don't know if you've got the inkling to snoop,
because I mean that says that you're worried about something
maybe nefurious going on. But if you can't be bothered
because you know that what you're going to find is
just going to be incredibly pooring, it's probably a healthy
place to be.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
If someone I've saw what their husbands who are my
ex has still texted me, they'd get a wake up
call that's for sure, but some just ignore it and
go on how miserable.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
I tell them I'm not interested. Oh spicy, Yeah like that. Steve,
how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 18 (01:40:46):
Yea good guys in yourselves very well.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
So what's your situation in your household?

Speaker 8 (01:40:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:40:52):
No, total trust. I've got cancer and I've just developed
a tumor behind my right eye a little while ago,
secondary cancer, and I'm actually going blind. Sorry, he's court man.

Speaker 8 (01:41:06):
I'm living life. I'm not dying.

Speaker 18 (01:41:07):
I'm living with it. But I've got totally trust to
my wife. We're a generation apart. I'm in my succeed yes,
just not one term fortund about porting sorr, I think.
And I'm having just got and brought a new device today.
I'm getting one of these Alexa devices so I can
help me read and write and read books and stuffcause

(01:41:28):
I've lost got of independence and I'm totally reliant on
my wife to set this up for me. Look at
my phone, look at my emails, look at my messages,
look at my phone answer calls. I have nothing at all.
And it's just total total trust because I have to
know I wouldn't have it any other way. And she's

(01:41:48):
got a everybody's phones that does a space for resognition,
and they wouldn't want me on your phone any I've
probably crack up looked at it, but you know what
I mean. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, you know that's totally
because I'm going blind and I'm totally going to be
totally dependent. Probably a target before I go totally blind,
but yeah, I'm in total depended on here to go

(01:42:09):
through the phone set things up for me. Even like
today the lady came and sorted my old phone out
and has all these sort of other stuff on it
that I couldn't use. So I even had to get
my wife to go on to my phone. So like
a make phone calls this morning, you know, and then
and answer calls.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
For me makes it. I mean that, yeah, that situation there, Steve, Yeah,
total trust and obviously you've got a beautiful wife there
who is helping you out with everything that you need
in your situation. I can absolutely understand that. Yeah, And
so I mean not that you'd be able to snoop
into your wife's phone at the moment, but I take

(01:42:47):
it it goes both ways.

Speaker 8 (01:42:48):
Steve.

Speaker 18 (01:42:49):
Oh, absolutely like that she you know, she's got exes
and stuff like that. Thought where was generation? But I've
been married before and she's got exes and she tells
me to text her up and says, good, hey, how
are you? How is Steve? You know, he's always asking
us for me and and concerned and stuff like this.
I've got no inhibitions whatsoever. And she tells me, ever,
you know, like you'll get a text from the wreck

(01:43:10):
or or from somebody that you know it's in your past,
and I'm going, oh wow, that's cool. But they know
me and I know them as well, most of them,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
In relationships with you, Steve, have you have you always
done that trust? Or or is it or is it
your new is the current relationship one?

Speaker 18 (01:43:27):
Current relationship?

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:43:29):
Current relationship since day one? Yeah, absolutely since day one,
you know. And we've were together a couple of years
prior to getting married, and that's some pieces had a
bit of a hard road and whatever else. But you know,
she'd been through a lot as well in the past.

Speaker 8 (01:43:44):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:43:44):
And then it's this is total trust on AA alcoholic
and we go to a regularly and then you just
known ambitions either there's no judgment, nothing, nothing's hidden and
it shouldn't be, you know, people should be able to
say express what they want and trusting the people that
they're talking to you.

Speaker 3 (01:44:04):
So do you think it's as a symptom of a
symptom of a great relationship when you feel as you do, Steve,
We've got the got the right.

Speaker 18 (01:44:11):
One absolutely gosh, yeah, I've got the one and a
million of they Yeah, yeah, totally love it, absolutely, total, total,
total trust. Kevin joins me, where the stuff is on
my plate? And one o'clock, three o'clock, two o'clock whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
Has to be good on you, Steven, What a fantastic
attitude you've got to life. So thank you so much
for ringing up and sharing and all the best.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
What a great marriage, Joe. One hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to cool? Sharing passwords with your significant other?
Is it an act of love? Or does it go
too far?

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
What happens is this textars what happens if a friend
misses you something personal and doesn't want anyone to know,
and your partner sees this. Aren't you letting your friend
down with your partner seeing it? Now, that is a
good point that I hadn't thought of, Because you may
want to share everything with your partner, but your friends
might not want to share everything with your partner, and
they might want to just be sharing something.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
Specific with you. That's that's a very good point. I
hadn't thought of that exactly, but keep on your views
on that. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call that stumps me that one. Yeah, that's
a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
It is eighteen to four your home of afternoon talk
Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty us talk.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Sai'd be oh tenure Micon Tyler. Very good afternoon to you.
We're talking about sharing your passwords to your phones and
devices with your significant other. Is that a sign of
trust in a healthy relationship or is that a breach
of privacy? Love to hear your thoughts. Eight hundred eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
Yeah, and we are having all kinds of trouble with
their phones, so keep trying on eight hundred eighty ten
eighty and hopefully things will sort themselves out. This texta
though doesn't want anything to do with the phone. Don't ring,
don't say my name. Oh okay, I am having an affair.
Oh but I love my wife. If I didn't have
the privacy and couldn't have sex outside of marriage.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
I would leave her. So I think my passwords are
saving my marriage. It's a complex one done. It's a
very complex link. So I mean that's some logic right there.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
So he needs to be having this fear, so he
stays in his marriage, but he doesn't want his wife
to know about it, so he thinks the secrecy is
actually saving the marriage.

Speaker 8 (01:46:27):
I wonder what I.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
Mean, it's a it's a dangerous game you play.

Speaker 18 (01:46:31):
That is.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
Yeah, that's some dangerous logic in nine two nine two.
How do you feel about that sort of text?

Speaker 3 (01:46:36):
That's a wicked we That's a wicked web you're weaving there.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
Is I mean if it all comes on unwoven.

Speaker 3 (01:46:43):
Yeah, I mean the complexity of that, I imagine. I
mean that these children involved, wow, I.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
Mean who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:46:50):
Yeah, But just the complexity of of having to run
a double life like that. It's got Edmond because it's
one thing, say, if you're seeing someone else and you're
happy to blow up the relationship and leave it for
someone else, and you know there's moral implications for that,
But choosing to have an affair and not feeling bad
about it and running that fear some fierce simultaneously with

(01:47:10):
your relationship whilst keeping your partner out of the past words.
The other thing with that is how long does the
woman that you're having a fear with does she want
to just be on the person on the side, Because
often what happens in these circumstances she suddenly goes, well,
I feel like I have some ownership over you, and
I want to be in a relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
Next to you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
Know, you may be keeping your wife out of the
past words. But then your girlfriend buddy rings up. Your
wife exactly goes, you know what, I'm seeing your husband
and she wants to bring matters to a head.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
Yeah, and it all explodes.

Speaker 3 (01:47:43):
I feel like this guy's making his life very very
very complex.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
Good luck to your fellow. Let us know how you
go with that. Yeah, shall I share his name? He said?
Not for the good? Should we go first name, first name,
last initial No? No, I never last name first never.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
We are a vault here the things you want to share.
If you don't want your name to be shared, we won't.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
What happens on the show stays on the show. I
will be texting your wife and your friend, though I
won't be saying it out on here. They deserve today. Yeah,
this is a text in a similar vein guys found
out my husband after many years, was off twice a
week with young sugar babes, wasting thousands of dollars. I
caught him through his smart watch not so smart. He
promised to stop, but was then caught in a message parlor.

(01:48:28):
Once a cheater, always a Cheatah, share all the passwords.
You never know what you'll find out. Maybe he's just
having a massage. It's not cheating to have a massage.
Is it between a message parlor just in a message house?
It's the word parlor that kind.

Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
Of If it's a parlor, it's naughty. And if it's
just a mess what's what is it called.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
The springs therm will reserve spa, you.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Know, if it's called sports massage or something, then it's
not a message parlor. Someone can have all open, and
can have all open and share their passwords, but if
they want to hide stuff, they will have numbers accounts
that their partner doesn't know about. See that's a good point.
Are you running any burner phones or anything Tayler.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
No, No, I mean imagining the Admond as you say
that that text who ticks before and saying he's keeping
it private to protect his marriage while he's having a
bit on the side. The effort involved and the hours
I mean APIs now just I want to pick up
on that text before that mentioned was it? Where was it?
And it said we've had so many ticks come in
and here it is what happens if a friend messages

(01:49:29):
you something personal and doesn't want anyone to know, and
your partner sees those aren't you letting the friend down
with your partner seeing it? And I absolutely agree with
that because my phone contains some private messages, a couple
of photos, maybe conversations with friends that they thought they
were just sending to me. And then if MAE sees
those conversations, there's nothing nefarious or dirty about them, but

(01:49:53):
that might just breach the trust and the privacy of
that person that sent me those messages.

Speaker 3 (01:49:59):
Yeah, the elephant in the room is someone's browsing history. Yeah, yeah,
never and a relationship should you browse incognito?

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Hundred percent?

Speaker 6 (01:50:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
Yeah, yeah, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:50:11):
Is this business is always have an affair with someone
in a relationship. Keeps it simple?

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
Okay, yeah, good cool, it's ten to four.

Speaker 3 (01:50:19):
I didn't predict this would spin off into advice on
how to successfully run an.

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
A fair Yeah, but we can hear from you. Nine
two opened anything, oh, eight hundred eighty, ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 7 (01:50:39):
It'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
Very good afternoon to you. So we're talking about sharing
your passwords to devices with your significant other. Is it
a good idea? Does it show trust or do you
want a bit of privacy? This is a great text. Okay, guys,
I'm a handsome chap oh go you and my wife
is very pretty. So every time we go out or
should go out alone, both of both of us are
getting his on and you don't know if someone's sure

(01:51:01):
shanking her and slowly chipping away at the wall, waiting
for a chink in the armor.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
Sometimes there's a number of ways could be sure shanking someone.
I'm glad it's the chipping away at the wall behind
the reta Heyward poster.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
Yeah, I had heard that phrase before. Since I know
what guys are like, there's a high chance they will
try their luck. That's why I'm saying, Oh, this was
the fellow talking about getting getting with someone who's not
as attractive as yourself in terms of marriage. That's what
I'm saying. Someone uglier than me would be easier because
it's just not a problem that they constantly been hit on.

(01:51:35):
Probably some of my insecurity as well, though.

Speaker 3 (01:51:37):
This says nobody should have any body's password or phone access.
If someone acts untrustworthy, leave leave, leave, don't waste any
more time. Where there's smoke, there is fire. Well, but
sometimes people are just suspicious, and sometimes you go looking
for stuff and you find it or you if you've
got a narrative, you can twist anything into being something. Yeah,

(01:51:59):
you know, so maybe that massage parlor is just a
sports massage part.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Yeah, might just had a few crooks in his back.

Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
Hey, guys have made of mind a piece of fluff.
And she decided she was going to tell his wife
because he was worth a lot of money as well,
so she wanted a piece of it, piece of the action.
My mate was distraught and worried as hell. I said
to him, give me her number. Within hours of texting her,
I was in the sack with her. This is a
really sordid story with her as well. And I told

(01:52:27):
my mate and he rang. He said he was really
upset with what she had done. Funny that that was
the end of it, and she didn't ring his wife.
I mean, that's that's a sort of affair there. I mean,
you know, so you said that you're going to help
out your mate by wringing this person. Then you've ended
up in the sack with her, and that's There's a
lot going on there happening to us.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
We start off with a quite a you know, a
g rated topic and I love it, We love it.
But then it turns into strategies for having a bit
of a bit of fluff on the site.

Speaker 3 (01:52:57):
Yeah yeah, I mean has that happened a lot on
the show. I think seems to I think that's just
where your mind's going. I think I think you're looking
for strategies, and that's why you don't share your passwords
with your partner.

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
But thanks so much for listening to the show. Everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:53:11):
The pot will be out so soon if you missed anything.
The powerful Heather Deep of See Allen will be up
with everything on the Charlie Kirk assassination situation. But right now, Tyler,
my very good friend, tell me why I'm playing this song.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
Oh, part time lover, Steve, because there seems to be
quite a few people listening to Matt and Tyler Afternoons
with a part time lover didn't wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:53:32):
Stevie want to need an accomplice if he was going
to be running a fair, it would.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
Be pretty hard for him. Yeah, yeah, it needs it
needs someone to do the Edmond side of things on
his phone. Someone's driving him to the restaurants and the motels. Yeah,
it's got enough money. I was supposed to do that.
Absolute genius a man.

Speaker 3 (01:53:49):
Anyway, until tomorrow with you are what are you doing?
Give him a taste of Kiwi you seem busy, will
let you go, So see you tomorrow afternoon for another
edition of Matt and Tyler Afternoons on News Talks ed

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
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