The All Blacks are set to face the Springboks in Wellington on Saturday night in their second clash of the The Rugby Championship.
This game clashes with the Warriors’ match against the Panthers – leaving kiwi rugby fans with a difficult decision to make: club or nation?
All Blacks legend Sir John Kirwan told Matt and Tyler to share his view on the uncomfortable clash in scheduling.
He said it will be difficult to pick what game to watch - as the Warriors are, ‘the nation’s league side’
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk zed B.
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
So this week in ki we sports fans face a
tough choice. The Warrior is Nral final kicks off at
six five on Saturday, just an hour before the AB's
take on the spring Box. Two big games, one night
and limited screens. Joining us to break it all down
and where our loyalties may lie is All Blacks Legends,
Sir John Kerr and JK? How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
What about the scheduling, mate? Someone needs to chat to
the c NRL and telling them to sort of stuff
out too, right, mate? We want to watch both.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
It's going to be causing a lot of arguments with
the remote control across the country and there's probably gonna
be some dust ups and bars when people try and
turn off the was now.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, I've installed two TVs, so I'm all good.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Now, JK.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
The win last week was obviously incredibly emotional and epic
and historic. But do you think the All Blacks were
impressive or a bit lucky at Edenbark?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Not incredibly impressive. I was really really happy with last week.
I thought it was outstanding and I was happy because
I thought our young guys stood up physically. I mean,
to play South Africa, you know, it takes you an
extra two days to recover. They are just brutal in
the contact and I felt especially and so if you
start winning those confrontations at the contact point, then you
(01:32):
can get your line speed up and so you can't
let them, you know, getting half a yard through you
through your sort of contact line. And I thought our
young guys really stood up physically. I thought the selection,
you know, to Pauv, I thought was outstanding, a message,
probably a subtle message to the coaches to say I
want to play Lock, you know, because been playing pretty
good at Sex. But at Lock he was great and
(01:55):
he's actually a line out caller. But I thought his
physicality and some of the young guys I thought was
just really really good. So I thought it was a
really good win. Like I think for me. So we
lost a couple of critical moments last year when we
played them in South Africa, and you know, we were
really dominant for sixty minutes, I felt. And then to
(02:19):
win that test, I think we'll give them confidence to
kick on a bit more.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
So Eden Park as obviously as was much hyped last
week as you know as the All Blacks fortress. The
cake tin for anything is the opposite of a fortress,
whatever that is for the All Blacks. Do you think
do you think the venue will come into play this weekend?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
No, not at all. I think you know, for me
to win a World Cup, I always you know, people say, oh,
we're still a few years out, but I think there's
critical wins that you need to do, critical things on
the way to building the confidence with the team to
win the type moment. So for me, I feel this
(02:59):
week is probably more important from an overall confidence of
our squad understanding that we can beat the world champion.
So for me it's a really big win. I don't
think that you know that it's hard to play in
Wennington sometimes because of the weather you don't can get
a bit swirly and it's a bit difficult, But I
don't really think it's a major factor this.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Debut on Leeroy Carter. He's been labeled the fastest player
and you said in Rugby JK, here is a gazelle.
Is that what we need? Speed?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I totally I am so happy with that selection. I
think Leroy has had this amazing journey come through the sevens.
I mean his individual skills around the ruck, out wide
and stuff which you need are really good. But I
think we need pace. You know, there's been a couple
of occasions where if you get half a break, and
we've seen it, you know with the Australian winger I
(03:54):
played against ole Man Jorgenson. You know, he's just got
this little bit of extra pace. So it's inches at
this level and I think if we can give him
some ball early with a little bit of space, he's
going to be hard to handle. So I'm really excited
for him.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
What about the other changes that Razor has made. What
do you think of the what's what the team that's
going on the park in Wellington.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, look, I think I think for me, I was
disappointed for Rico. I'm a I'm a fan of Rico,
but I've been where he's at. A lit'll be a
moment in his life where he's he'll be disappointed and
and want to prove you know, he's he's been playing
center then put on the wing, so he'll be really disappointed,
(04:35):
but I'm sure he'll get another crack at it. I
think the other changes I thought the half back Combo
was pretty good. I did think Damien came on last
week and really made a difference on pleased for Damien
because he's he's so talented. So I think the changes,
you know, have been a little bit on form and
(04:56):
and a little bit on look what happened? You know,
I think Imonia was was unlucky. I thought he was,
you know, got to get decent test match. So I
think when you see the contrast of the saying that
freaking side right. So they haven't settled at all on
what their top fifteen is. I think with Raiser, he's
he hasn't been quick to change, so he's given people
(05:17):
an opportunity. But I actually think the changes will bring
them a bit of an excitement and a bit more
internal competition.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Now, Sir John Coman, obviously you're an absolute legend of
rugby union, but you also played for the Warriors. Where
do you think the nation's heart is sitting this weekend?
Is it with the Warriors or with the All Blacks?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Oh? With both, mate, Like this is why I'm annoyed
that we didn't get our scheduling right. So someone needs
to talk about that, because you know, the Warriors are
the nation's league side, right, Yeah, and you know I
love the Warriors. I was worrying number twenty two. I
watched them all the time. I really enjoy watching them,
and that is sport nowadays. You can have your favorite
league team, you can have your favorite rugby team, you
(05:58):
can have your favorite basketball team. Whatever you want. So
for me, you know, I'm really excited about the Wars.
I was a little bit disappointed hoping they'd get a
double life, but that's not been the case. You know,
a little bit worried about the well, if you're attacking us,
you attack down the left hand side. You know, our
left hand side has been a little bit put under pressure.
(06:19):
But it's not just similar to the All Blacks. I
think when you're playing sudden death. You know, when we
lost against Argentina with the All Blacks. You know, some
of our big players had quiet nights last week. They
all had great games. So, you know, our superstars, our
heroes of this side, not some of the new boys.
They're going pretty good, but some of the older heads.
(06:39):
They need to have big nights for us to have,
you know, to have a good one. So I'm really
confident that we're going to do that. I think the side,
this particular Warriors side, well they haven't showed a shitload
of consistency over the eighty minutes, so a whole lot
of character and that's what I like about this thing.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Well, mate, it's been awesome talking to you in a
total honor, and look enjoy the watching both games on
two separate televisions on Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, how good is that?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Maybe the n r L needs to subsidize all of
us for that second screen, mate, I think that's where it's.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
JK, you're a great man. Thanks very much for having
to chat with us. That is sir John Kerwin, all
Black's Legend.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
For more from news Talks at b listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk zed B.
Follow this and our Wide Ranger podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
So this week in ki we sports fans face a
tough choice. The Warrior is Nral final kicks off at
six five on Saturday, just an hour before the AB's
take on the spring Box. Two big games, one night
and limited screens. Joining us to break it all down
and where our loyalties may lie is All Blacks Legends,
Sir John Kerr and JK? How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
What about the scheduling, mate? Someone needs to chat to
the c NRL and telling them to sort of stuff
out too, right, mate? We want to watch both.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
It's going to be causing a lot of arguments with
the remote control across the country and there's probably gonna
be some dust ups and bars when people try and
turn off the was now.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, I've installed two TVs, so I'm all good.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Now, JK.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
The win last week was obviously incredibly emotional and epic
and historic. But do you think the All Blacks were
impressive or a bit lucky at Edenbark?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Not incredibly impressive. I was really really happy with last week.
I thought it was outstanding and I was happy because
I thought our young guys stood up physically. I mean,
to play South Africa, you know, it takes you an
extra two days to recover. They are just brutal in
the contact and I felt especially and so if you
start winning those confrontations at the contact point, then you
(01:32):
can get your line speed up and so you can't
let them, you know, getting half a yard through you
through your sort of contact line. And I thought our
young guys really stood up physically. I thought the selection,
you know, to Pauv, I thought was outstanding, a message,
probably a subtle message to the coaches to say I
want to play Lock, you know, because been playing pretty
good at Sex. But at Lock he was great and
(01:55):
he's actually a line out caller. But I thought his
physicality and some of the young guys I thought was
just really really good. So I thought it was a
really good win. Like I think for me. So we
lost a couple of critical moments last year when we
played them in South Africa, and you know, we were
really dominant for sixty minutes, I felt. And then to
(02:19):
win that test, I think we'll give them confidence to
kick on a bit more.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
So Eden Park as obviously as was much hyped last
week as you know as the All Blacks fortress. The
cake tin for anything is the opposite of a fortress,
whatever that is for the All Blacks. Do you think
do you think the venue will come into play this weekend?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
No, not at all. I think you know, for me
to win a World Cup, I always you know, people say, oh,
we're still a few years out, but I think there's
critical wins that you need to do, critical things on
the way to building the confidence with the team to
win the type moment. So for me, I feel this
(02:59):
week is probably more important from an overall confidence of
our squad understanding that we can beat the world champion.
So for me it's a really big win. I don't
think that you know that it's hard to play in
Wennington sometimes because of the weather you don't can get
a bit swirly and it's a bit difficult, But I
don't really think it's a major factor this.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Debut on Leeroy Carter. He's been labeled the fastest player
and you said in Rugby JK, here is a gazelle.
Is that what we need? Speed?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I totally I am so happy with that selection. I
think Leroy has had this amazing journey come through the sevens.
I mean his individual skills around the ruck, out wide
and stuff which you need are really good. But I
think we need pace. You know, there's been a couple
of occasions where if you get half a break, and
we've seen it, you know with the Australian winger I
(03:54):
played against ole Man Jorgenson. You know, he's just got
this little bit of extra pace. So it's inches at
this level and I think if we can give him
some ball early with a little bit of space, he's
going to be hard to handle. So I'm really excited
for him.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
What about the other changes that Razor has made. What
do you think of the what's what the team that's
going on the park in Wellington.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, look, I think I think for me, I was
disappointed for Rico. I'm a I'm a fan of Rico,
but I've been where he's at. A lit'll be a
moment in his life where he's he'll be disappointed and
and want to prove you know, he's he's been playing
center then put on the wing, so he'll be really disappointed,
(04:35):
but I'm sure he'll get another crack at it. I
think the other changes I thought the half back Combo
was pretty good. I did think Damien came on last
week and really made a difference on pleased for Damien
because he's he's so talented. So I think the changes,
you know, have been a little bit on form and
(04:56):
and a little bit on look what happened? You know,
I think Imonia was was unlucky. I thought he was,
you know, got to get decent test match. So I
think when you see the contrast of the saying that
freaking side right. So they haven't settled at all on
what their top fifteen is. I think with Raiser, he's
he hasn't been quick to change, so he's given people
(05:17):
an opportunity. But I actually think the changes will bring
them a bit of an excitement and a bit more
internal competition.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Now, Sir John Coman, obviously you're an absolute legend of
rugby union, but you also played for the Warriors. Where
do you think the nation's heart is sitting this weekend?
Is it with the Warriors or with the All Blacks?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Oh? With both, mate, Like this is why I'm annoyed
that we didn't get our scheduling right. So someone needs
to talk about that, because you know, the Warriors are
the nation's league side, right, Yeah, and you know I
love the Warriors. I was worrying number twenty two. I
watched them all the time. I really enjoy watching them,
and that is sport nowadays. You can have your favorite
league team, you can have your favorite rugby team, you
(05:58):
can have your favorite basketball team. Whatever you want. So
for me, you know, I'm really excited about the Wars.
I was a little bit disappointed hoping they'd get a
double life, but that's not been the case. You know,
a little bit worried about the well, if you're attacking us,
you attack down the left hand side. You know, our
left hand side has been a little bit put under pressure.
(06:19):
But it's not just similar to the All Blacks. I
think when you're playing sudden death. You know, when we
lost against Argentina with the All Blacks. You know, some
of our big players had quiet nights last week. They
all had great games. So, you know, our superstars, our
heroes of this side, not some of the new boys.
They're going pretty good, but some of the older heads.
(06:39):
They need to have big nights for us to have,
you know, to have a good one. So I'm really
confident that we're going to do that. I think the side,
this particular Warriors side, well they haven't showed a shitload
of consistency over the eighty minutes, so a whole lot
of character and that's what I like about this thing.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Well, mate, it's been awesome talking to you in a
total honor, and look enjoy the watching both games on
two separate televisions on Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, how good is that?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Maybe the n r L needs to subsidize all of
us for that second screen, mate, I think that's where it's.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
JK, you're a great man. Thanks very much for having
to chat with us. That is sir John Kerwin, all
Black's Legend.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
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air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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