Full Show Podcast: 12 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello are you great? New Zealand's Welcome to Madame Tyler
Full Show Podcast number two oh four four Friday, the
twelfth of September twenty twenty five. Fantastic show today, Always
say that, but it was a really, really, really good
one today the wars All Blacks chat at the end
head Sir John Kowan, I'm freaking stoked. I mean, that
is the perfect guest to have because he's been an

(00:36):
All Black and he's been a warrior.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeap, what a legend it was.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
It was amazing to get him across and it was
a fantastic chat with him at the end.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
And a term that you threw into the mix which
got a lot of support warssification.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Oh yeah, the Wassification of New Zealand around the Flying Foxes.
And we also announced the New Zealand of the Week
and it was controversial.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Itell you certainly was great show. Download subscribe, give us
a review and.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
You seem as the leg goes to good taste.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
You love your baite See big Stories, the League issues,
the big Trends, and everything of its Matti's and Tyler
Adams afternoons News Talk said me, very good Friday to you.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Welcome into the show.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Great to have your company is always hope you're having
a great day with Eve.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
You're listening in this beautiful country of ours. Can I man?

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Good ay? Tyler, gooday? Everyone. You know I've took before
about the draconian speed limits that have been imposed across
our nation by people that don't trust you and don't
respect their fellow humans, such as the ticket I got
for driving at fifty kilometers No, forty five kilometers now
across Hopetown Bridge and get the thirty kilometer in our zone.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yep, you're dirty about that, very dirty.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I'm very dirty about it. But this morning I was
coming across the bridge at fifty kilometers now because I
believe that that is the correct speed to be traveling
in a city road with no crossroads at all, you're
coming across a bridge that I can't even believe that
they would even think that there was a good idea.
But anyway, then I got the little flash from the
Great New Zealand to coming the other way that said
there was a speed camera down the bottom. Good person there,

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and so I thought, you know, I'm not going to
get a ticket here, because I got something like thirty
three demerit points and a one hundred and seventy dollars
ticket for driving forty five kilometers an hour and a
thirty kilometers zone recently. So I slowed right down as
far as I didn't know my car could go that
slow to pass the officer. So I think I went
past it about probably ten kilometers.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Now, well, that is safe.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
And then I got an aggressive gesture from the police
officer telling me the speed up. So what does it
go ridiculously slow or go on normal speed?

Speaker 3 (02:38):
That is confusing?

Speaker 5 (02:39):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
What's in there?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
And there was a train because I thought, you know,
if I slow right down, it'll make a train of
people behind me that don't get don't get ticketed, so
I will. It would be interesting if I get a
ticket for going twenty kilometers below the thirty kilometers in
our speed of it that they put on the road.
I mean, you're not winning the hearts and minds of
the nation by pinging people for driving over thirty kilometers

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an hour.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
No, I mean, I don't think anyone can see the
sense in that it.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Is so slow it's hard to leave, you know when
you when you go down to thirty kilometers, now it
is my god, that is slow. Yeah, that is that
is slow.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
But you managed to beat that at potentially ten k's
an hour, yeah, which is almost walking speed. Yeah, but
where's the goldilock zone? So that's the police woman is
telling you to hurry up. But you're you know, that's
very safe.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
She had an angry look on her face. She thought
I was taking the purse because I.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Was taking the I love you. That's fantastic. Right on
to today's show after three o'clock, is it?

Speaker 2 (03:37):
But I must say a big fan of the police.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, they do.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
And we should not be being they should not be
being deployed in such a ridiculous fashion. Yes, as pinging
people for driving thirty five kilimes.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Now, I don't think she wanted to be there either.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Right after three o'clock because it is Friday, New Zealander
of the Week, always a big moment, so who will
it be? Also, we want to have a chat about
Warriors or All Black, so who gets your remote? On
Saturday night? Kiwi fans are facing the ultimate sporting clash.
So as we know the war Nral Finals match kicks
off at six oh five, just an hour before the

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All Blacks kick off at seven oh five and Wellington.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, so what are you gonna watch? This is the
big showdown between the codes between League and Union. Head
to hit is about an hour of the Warriors first,
But then there's gonna be wrestling on couches for remotes
for remote controls and bars across the country. Whether it
stays on the Wars or flicks over to the All Blacks.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yep, that is going to be a big question looking
forward to that. After three o'clock we're also going to
catch up with Sir John Kerwin to get his thoughts
on the All Blacks game and also Wars versus All
Blacks after two o'clock. If you're in the market to
buy a rental house, how about spending a night there first,
so some key wes reckon a sleepover could reveal the
real deal, like noisy neighbors, freezing cold bedrooms, traffic at

(04:58):
three am. It's pretty common in the US and Europe,
but more and more key weis are asking why don't
we have an old sleepover?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah? I mean, gosh, it makes sense, doesn't it, you know,
the biggest purchase in your life. You may be going
into thirty years to pay for this, and you've never
spent a night in it.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, tear drive that bad boy.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Logistically complicated for real estate agents and the cellar of
the house. I imagine if fifty people want to sleep over
before they decide. But you know, it does seem crazy
that we don't do that. Yeah, yeah, or have you
experienced Does that happen in New Zealand? I've never heard
of it?

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, if you've ever asked for it?

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, have you ever asked can we just spend the
night in here? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:40):
For a rental as well? Apparently they're asking that.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, because then what happens is the gang members that
were paid off to be out of town for the
for the open home, they come back. All the signs
to various things are replaced on the street.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's going to be a great chat
after two o'clock. But right now, let's have a chat
about our flying Fox and patapata Umu. It has been
shut down, no warning, just a padlock and a sign.
So the council has come out and said that it
is just too risky. But locals and parents say it's
a part of growing up, thrills.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Spells and all.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
So the local parents, they say that this flying fox
and patapata Umu was essentially a rite of passage and
a rare thrill and an increasingly risk adverse playground landscape.
So that's what we want to have a chat to
you about right now. Our weight one hundred eighty ten
eighty flying foxes and over cautious counsels.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I mean, if things aren't fun, then kids just don't
do them. And if you make flying foxes so lame
that or playgrounds in general are just so lame, then
then kids won't do them, and then they won't learn
and get all the benefits of a flying fox or
just a playground in general. Right, Yeah, So they have

(06:57):
to be a little bit dangerous and they have to
be a little bit scary, and they have to test kids.
That's the whole point of play, right, So you learn
risk and reward. Yeah, and you want that giggle of
it just being a bit full on.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
I mean it's a good learning environment, isn't it, honestly
for kids to go and figure out whether this is
going to be a sensible decision to go finging down
this flying fox and fly off and potentially break a leg.
And most of us as kids have definitely done that,
maybe not break a leg, but hurt ourselves. But that
is part of developing that whole risk and reward aspect

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of being a person.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Absolutely, and it's not just flying foxes. We took a
niece to a park recently and she was going down
the slide and it had such a pathetic incline that
she wasn't moving. I had to go and yell up.
It was one of those ones that's covered. I was like,
you're right up there, and she's like, I've stopped.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
What's the point of a slide? You can't slide down?

Speaker 2 (07:52):
I've stopped.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
That is the worst, So you got to climb up
to get it down. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
it's the number to cool. Love to hear your thoughts
on there, and we're gonna hopefully.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Have a chat to the chair of the community board,
who's quite outraged that they've closed the flying fox, but
are we making playgrounds too safe and boring for kids?

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Really can have a chat with you. It is thirteen
past one. You're listening to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
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Speaker 4 (08:22):
Be very good afternoons you at sixteen past one. So
I beloved flying Fox at Kaitawa Reserve and patapata Umit's
been shut down by the Corpany Coast District Council. They
say due to safety concerns. But as you can imagine,
a lot of parents are not happy, saying that risk
and the thrills and spills is a part of being
a kid. What do you say, O, eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Quite

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a few texts coming through on this one on nine
to nine to two. This one says, guys, the flying
fox at playgrounds becoming too safe to kids four kids
rather to learn through trial and error, it's a disgrace.
Let kids be kids. We all heard ourselves as kids.
That's an absolute part of growing up and they should

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learn risk versus reward. So what do you say, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Once again, disgusted with you, Matt, you patch up the
kids that get injured. No, I'm not like I'm going
to support the flying fox. But I will, I'm saying
right now unless I come across a cad like if
a kid, if I'm walking past a spectacular in fun
flying fox, if there are any left in public property
in public parks in New Zealand and I find a
kid crying at the bottom of my wall, help good
on you. Yeah, yeah, but I could see you're doing it. Actually,

(09:33):
but you pisch your own kids up, I imagine. Yeah.
Many times there was a flying flying fox at a
park in Mount eat and my kids went to It's
a very famous one at the bottom of the hill there. Yeah,
and that was a really intense flying fox. It was
so good it was it was so fast. My kids
would talk about it absolutely all the time. Take me

(09:53):
to the flying fox because it was so intense. It
was the right of passage. And I was putting them
on there from when they were about two three onwards
and they'd fly down that hit the other end at
pace off and fall off, often quite scared.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
But and I think I might it to run down
and hand out the odd cuddle. But they always talked
about it, and they always wanted to go.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Back making memories exactly, and we were.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Meaning to talk about the subject yesterday. We ran out
of time because the other things we were talking about
blew up and we didn't have time for it. But
a lot of people were texting through about this particular
flying fox and saying how great it was. And one
day they just carstrated it. They newted it. They made
it incredibly lame and now it's gone, so it's just disappeared.
No one and absolutely once they made it, and there's

(10:38):
absolutely no point in having a piece of playground equipment
that is so lame that no one uses it. Yeah,
just don't have it. And that's what they do. So
the warssification, the general warssification of this country, they make
it lame and then no one uses it, and then
they remove it.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
So they've taken out all the steep slides. They started
to dismantle the forts because they were too high, and
they're worried about kids falling down that knitting that you
used to climb up. I love that knitting. The jungle
gyms all being dismantled, and then these are.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
They taking away the kneeing, the big spider kne thing,
some of the.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Knitting because it's too high, so it goes up maybe
two three meters and they think that there's a danger
a kid's going to fall off them break their arm,
and of course there is, but it's a.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Part about being a kid.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
And are they really saying that kids aren't taking risks
outside of the playground anyway?

Speaker 3 (11:21):
You know, I'm.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Sure I hope kids are still doing some silly things
with their mates and potentially getting hurt, because.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
That's what kids do.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
This Texas says what is a flying fox? And year
playgrounds are becoming too safe? Kids are learned through trial
and era cheers Mike, Well, look at an interesting question
about the a story about what is a Flying Fox? Yeah,
So a friend of mine was out and drinking at
a bar in Auckland and the great comedian Jack Black
was in there. Very funny man, yes, most recently in

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the Minecraft movie, but brilliant, tenacious, d everything love Jack Black.
So my friend he was there. Jack Black was having
a few drinks. He was having a few drinks and
my mate was talking to him about a movie idea
which involved flying foxes. And his idea was that in
the future there would be these buildings and these flying
foxes would go between the buildings, and Jack Black was
thing really closely to him, and then finally said, are

(12:11):
you talking about ziplines? And he goes yeah, and he goes, ah,
I was into it when I thought there was actual
foxes with wings flying between the buildings. But no one's
going to go to a movie where there's just zip
lines between the buildings.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Oh that's so good. So he was all in on
the old flying fox animal zip lines.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I'm out he was imagining a movie where he'd be
dressed up as a fox with little wings flying between buildings.
So a flying fox is essentially a kid's zip line. Yeah,
you jump on it. It's got a little thing. You
wrap your legs around it, and you're fang down hopefully
at pace or the one in Grayland Park that they've
put on recently. It's slower the walking pace, so no
one ever uses it. But you climb on and and

(12:51):
hopefully fang down at pace and hit the end and
then only just managed to.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Hold on if you're lucky. There's one tire at the
bottom as well. Shane, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Sorry, my phone's not working to turn you on, Shane.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
We might have a few gremlins in the system. Again,
we go god' to Shane, we've got to work.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
We're here, How are you?

Speaker 3 (13:12):
How are you very good?

Speaker 4 (13:14):
And what do you reckon about the To use Matt's phrase,
what'sification of playgrounds?

Speaker 6 (13:19):
I probably agree with it. I think it's a joke.
If these guys were around when the lights of AJ hack.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
We're having some serious issues with the phone. Keep calling through.
What we're going to do.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
We're going to play some messages and get this sorted
out because it's kind of critical to our show that
the phones work. So we might even back now actually
have Shane are you there, Shaye?

Speaker 6 (13:37):
Yeah, I'm mad you guys.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Good, thanks, as I tell you what, trying to run
a talk back radio showhen your phonees aren't working as difficult,
so we'll bear with us Shaye by but we can
hear you now.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
Brilliant like having a car about tire?

Speaker 7 (13:49):
Is that?

Speaker 8 (13:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, we're riding on those rubbers.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
But let's see how we go, mate, like a flying
fox on a surface.

Speaker 9 (13:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:56):
So look, my point it's a bit of a joke
because if these people are around when AJ Hackett, we're
look at that starting up as a budge jumping and
you know the Shotover boys, we'll look at the starting
up their businesses. They get told no.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Out hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
I mean that is a critical part of where we
have done incredible things is keep we is that number
eight wire mentality.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
I know it's a cliche, but it's a really good
point change. So we celebrate that with the Adventure Capital
of the World. We celebrate a j Hackett And let's
face it, e committed a crime when he jumped off
the ef Tower and crime that we celebrate and love.
So on one hand, we're like, come to New Zealand
with the Adventure Capital of the World. We basically invented
bungee jumping. By the way, here's our flying fox and

(14:36):
you're essentially going backwards when you get on it.

Speaker 6 (14:39):
Yeah, And he's your bubble rack jacket that you can
put on to make sure it don't get hurt.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
And here's your sponge spongy floor.

Speaker 7 (14:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (14:47):
I mean you learn by getting hurt, right, I Mean,
we don't want to see how kids get hurt, but
it's a bit like riding a bike. When the kids
are learning to ride a bike, they fall off, they
get hurt and then they get back on the bike.
What we're doing is to teaching our children to be
a phrase I suppose pansies. You know, it's they've got
to get out there and do stuff. I've always we're

(15:08):
just going to end up. I don't bringing up a
bunch of children that are too scared t actually put
their foot out the door just in case something hurts
to them. It hurts them.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Just playing Devil's advocate for a bit here, Shane. The
argument is that the council doesn't want the liability right.
They are so fearful that if kid gets hurt on
one of these flying foxes or the slide, then they
are going to be the ones in court potentially or
facing some sort of fine. So the ability to remove
that liability from councils, I'm all for it that the
councils build these things and their liability remains with the parents. Yeah,

(15:41):
that just takes away all that that redtake.

Speaker 6 (15:44):
Just put a sign up, but play your own rescue.
I mean, for goodness sake, our kids are going to
end up doing absolutely.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Nothing in this world.

Speaker 10 (15:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (15:54):
Well yeah, that we.

Speaker 6 (15:54):
Keep going down this track these I'm sorry to say
that people are sitting in the council that have their
great aspirations about what they want to do. I wonder
what their children get up to.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, and it's an interesting well because of the reverse effect,
it's not exciting, kids won't do it, and then they
won't leave the house. Because my kids about this particular
flying fox I'm talking about, they have to be constantly
to do it because it was scary and dangerous and
all their friends would talk about doing it, so that
got them out of the house to do it. So
you know, it works on both ways.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
Hey, as a parent, you sit there and watch your
children do things that you go, oh, dear God, here
we go. Tie times out of ten they don't. It's
just the fact that we're old parts and we don't
been like them.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, Shane, you're a good man.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
Thank you very much for giving us a bar Zoh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Love your thoughts on this or much love. Flying Fox
Patapata Huma has been shut down over safety concerns. Has
risk aversion killed the fun? It's twenty five past one.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Putting the tough questions to the news speakers, The Mike asking.

Speaker 11 (16:55):
Breakfast the National Curriculum refresh. Education Minister Ericus Stanford is
with us. Why these specific subjects and how do you
choose them?

Speaker 12 (17:02):
Well, the Ministry of Education have given me quite a
lot of advice. But there's also some of things that
we've been talking about for a very long time time,
like CIVIX, but we've never done and there's been many
groups have called for a CIVIX to be taught in
our schools and so that was a no brainer.

Speaker 11 (17:14):
Growing pushback that appears to be building around general changes
too in CEA, is this a fight building?

Speaker 1 (17:20):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (17:21):
I think actually things that shifting.

Speaker 12 (17:23):
I was talking to our principle yesterday who said a
lot many of the principals who signed that original letter
now have changed their minds, which was encouraging.

Speaker 11 (17:30):
Back Monday from six am the Mic asking Breakfast with
Rain Drover News Talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
It's twenty eight past one. So the Kai Taware Reserve
flying Fox was fast rolling and now it's gone shut down. Parents,
they kids need a bit of risk to learn resilience.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
What do you say the sexes, Maybe some of our
current netballers should have used a flying fox at some
point in their precious, overly protected lives, they might have
learned about rusk and resilience.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, I love that, nicely said.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Okay, so hanging a minute here, but yeah, okay, well
let's go, let's go to let's go to Glenn.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Get a Glenn. How are you doing.

Speaker 7 (18:06):
So?

Speaker 13 (18:06):
For me?

Speaker 7 (18:08):
Where the ability for kids to fail soft? But fail soft?
I mean when you fail you break your arm, it's
opposed to failing for the first time.

Speaker 6 (18:17):
I'm in a car doing one hundred and twenty k
and you died.

Speaker 7 (18:20):
Yeah, yeah, And I think that's that's something that's I
think you're intuitively know it's a good ordea loy sasually
you get breaking your arm or not gets broken his
arm three times. It's just walking not yet, but you know,
he like you teach your kids how to how to
ride a motorbike at the age of ten, at the
age of sixteen, because at ten that correct themselves. At

(18:42):
sixteen you pre thrown the water. It isn't working. They
like be are really really barely hurting sounds for kills
hill and so for me getting early, Yeah, it seems
a real shame. I can understand why they've done it
because of liability issues and all the rest of it.
But it's a real shame that that that the ability
to fail stoff seems to have been taken from kids.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
We've got we've got to take the liability away from
the council. I mean, what about a sign that says
if you're a soft cottonwell parent, helicopter parent, then this
isn't the one for you. You can put your kid
on the on the nappie swing.

Speaker 7 (19:14):
Or just use it your own risk.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, let's say skate parks, right.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
You know, arguably you can do a bit of damage
on a skate park and that's a good thing for
a kid. But I've seen stories about parents saying it's
too dangerous and you know, too many kids.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Are getting hurt. That's the whole point about being a kid, and.

Speaker 7 (19:30):
That is the there's the prerogative to being their kid
from going on it. But that doesn't mean that no
one else's kid can. Yeah, oh yeah, I mean you
know yourself, you'll be a good clean tree climber, right, yep,
it's out of a tree in our age and hurts
doesn't lost the topic. Yeah, you know, I think I

(19:52):
think you're to now yourself when young.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
I was never I was never worried about my kid
on flying foxes, but sometimes i'd be I'd look around
and one of them particularly, I'd suddenly look around and
hear him yelling, and he was just a little dot
at the top of an incredibly high free and you're like,
oh my god.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
If he drops there and his apperiod to go.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Okay, mate, you're right up there. Can you get down?

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Okay?

Speaker 14 (20:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (20:22):
Elbows together straight and on ground on the way.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
Thanks for you, cool, Glenn, Yeah, thank you very much. Right,
we've got headlines coming up. Then we're gonna have a
chat with the board chair of that community who is
pushing for the council to change their minds about the
flying fox. But can you hear from you on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty are we making playgrounds too
safe and boring for kids?

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Love to your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (20:45):
Nine two nine two, it's the text number. It's twenty
nine to two.

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Back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Thank you very much, Jody says. We've been discussing a
much love flying fox and partabata Umu has been shut
down by the council over safety concerns. Has risk adversion
killed the fun Joining us right now is part of
part of UMU Community Board Chair Glenn Olsen Glenn, very
good afternoons here.

Speaker 8 (22:19):
Hey, good afternoon everybody.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Hey Glenn, how good was this flying Fox? Was it fast?

Speaker 16 (22:25):
It was?

Speaker 8 (22:25):
It was fantastic, It was fast, it was long, and
you know, it was exciting and it had a frill
that you know, none other of the firing foxes in
the area had.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
How long was it around for, Glenn?

Speaker 8 (22:37):
Well, I believe it's been there for about thirty years,
so it's you know, it's been there for a long time.
So it means that you know, not only the children,
but a lot of their parents used to write it
when they were children as well.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
A lot of dead bodies piling up at the end of.

Speaker 8 (22:50):
It, not very many at all. No, No, I mean,
I haven't heard of any injuries, you know, from this
flying fox and all the time that's there, and you know,
I grew up here and you know, went on it,
and you know, although you know, occasionally you fall off,
you know, you laugh it off, you get up and
you run back and go on it again.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Yeah, So You've got kids yourself, Glenn, who are peak
flying Fox age. They must be pretty disappointed they can't
have a hoon on this thing.

Speaker 9 (23:16):
They are.

Speaker 8 (23:16):
Yes, So I've got three boys, six, nine and just
about eleven, and all of them have you spent countless
time on this as Also there's a Scouts hall right
next to it, so of course you get all Scouts
children there who love it as well. So yeah, and
as I said, you know, it's just got something that
none of the up flying Fox is here. It's the
only flying Fox we have where children just want to

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go on it again and again.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
So who shut it down and what led to it
being shut down, Glenn?

Speaker 8 (23:44):
So it was shut down by our parks team and
basically they did a safety check and they found that
the cable was free. So the first that the community
knew was they went down there to riders and they
had a padlock on it and a note on it
saying closed. And the community actually put a post up
on one of the local Facebook groups and that was

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also the first that we're on the community board found
out about.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
So the cable's freight, but they're not willing to replace
the cable.

Speaker 8 (24:17):
Well that's that's the issue. The issue is that if
they replace the cable now, as part of that, they
have to certify that it meets the late latest safety standards.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
And who's setting those safety standards?

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Oh, we might have just lost them. Actually, we're going
to get Glenn Beck on the line. That's a real bugger,
because that's a good question. We need to find that out.
So what we'll do we'll pay some messages and we'll
get Glenn back on and we've got a few more
questions for him.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
But we're still taking your calls.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty the closing down of
the much Love line.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
We're not like, oh, we've got back.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
We might have No, I don't know if it was
your flight or our file. We're having terrible trouble with
their phones today, Glenn.

Speaker 8 (25:02):
Yeah, so I'm sorry. I'm not sure where we got
up to.

Speaker 17 (25:04):
We know it was.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
I believe the last question was around who makes the
those rules, safety rule?

Speaker 2 (25:09):
What are these safety standards and who who made them?

Speaker 8 (25:14):
So my understanding that they come from central government work
in safety standards, and you know they are the standards
that the Council needs to abide to without doing so
if there you know, even though there hasn't been any
major injuries, if there was a major injined injury and
work in safety got involved, the first thing they would

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want to know is why these rules were irregulations weren't
followed from the council.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Well, I mean this is insane because obviously kids need
to be on flying foxes. Well they need to be
making you know, learning risk and reward basically, and a
flying fox is a great a decent flying fox with
a bit of pace. It teaches you some valuable lessons
as a kid. As you say, Glen, you'll fall off,
but you'll learn some lessons there. So is it possible

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to unravel this? This sounds like it is deeply embedded
in you know, central and local government.

Speaker 8 (26:08):
Yeah, so look what's going to happen here, you know,
we will get a new flying fox. And what happened
was we had all the children come to our board
meeting and they all spoke, and they spoke on what
made this flying fox so important to them? And what
was great was it was our last meeting and we
had both the mayor and the Cee of the council

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there and so it brought back memories of our sea's
own childhood and the flying fox. So the commitment that
he's given to the children as a result of this
is that we will get the most exciting and thrilling
and Dane Juriss, you know, to an extent flying fox
that we can put back, which still meets the standards

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that you know we need to follow.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
But are those standards because I've seen the new flying
foxes that have been put into replace previous ones, and
there's a particular one I'm thinking about that is so pathetic.
I've never seen a cad on it, whereas a good
flying fox, the kids line up to it and they're
sprinting back up to the top to do it because
of the risk factor of it and the excitement factor
of it. But if the flying foxes that I'm seeing

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that have been put in are the ones that fit
the safety standards that they need to, then the kids aren't.
They may have a flying fox, but it's not a
flying fox. And the way we think of.

Speaker 8 (27:19):
It, yeah, I mean, there's there's two flying foxes I
can think of close by another areas where where the
children do love and they you know my children as well.
There's one in an Avalon Park, which are open a
few years ago, and that has two side by side
so they can actually have racists down them, and you know,
the kids love that and it's you know, it's high

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enough up there that gives you know a little bit
of a scare for them, but and fast enough that
you know when they hit the back of it, that
are and it gives you the pinion jobs you up
in the air.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
It's crucial, crucial.

Speaker 17 (27:55):
Creams and yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
Glenn, Yeah, thank you very much for having a chat
with us. Keep up the good fight. We might touch
base in a few weeks and see where you're at.
But really hoping this new flying Fox, if it does happen,
is still thrilling, fast and kick ass.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah where Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
We're willing to come down and do a danger inspection.
There's safety inspections and see if it hits the safety standards,
but there's another kind of inspection to do and check
if it hits the danger standards that also needs to hit.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Yep, we can do that.

Speaker 8 (28:23):
No, that's right, and don't worry. I'll be one of
the first time as well, because I was on a
not that long ago and.

Speaker 6 (28:29):
You know, I really enjoyed it as well.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, good on you, Glenn, thank you, thank you for
talking to us today.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Thank you very much. That is Glenn Olsen.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
He's the putat Umu Community board chair and clearly loves
his flying foxes. Good man, So we are taking your
calls on this eight hundred eighty ten eighty has a
central government in council gone safety mad when it comes
to playgrounds and a bit of risk for our kids.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
I was at school camp as a helper when my
daughter fell over. I told her to suck it up.
Got a funny look from the teacher until I explained,
do you want to see a kit child who does stuff,
hurts themselves and try again, or a kid that will
sit on the couch doing nothing. Yeah. I mean there's
there's an important thing as a parent when you're head
and you notice that they're crying and a performative manager
that managed to get intention rather than crying because they're

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actually injured. Yeah, and you cannot reward them for performative crying.
You've just got to go, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yeah, suck it up, get up, dry the tears, hard en.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Up the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the Way Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
news talks.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
They'd be for a good afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
We're talking about the closing of the much Love Flying
Fox and Pata pata Umu. So are we making playgrounds
too save for kids and forgetting that resk is a
part of growing up? By eight one hundred and eighteen
eighty is a number to call get a damien.

Speaker 18 (29:44):
Hello, how are we going?

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Very good?

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Now?

Speaker 4 (29:46):
You work in local government around safety standards, you're a
good man to chat to on this.

Speaker 19 (29:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (29:52):
So overroll as a play advocate and there's about fifteen
of us across councils around the country and we have
a key role in enabling better quality play experiences for
children and families. And so this is something that we
regularly come up against.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Right and and you know, how do you balance that
situation between the excitement that's needed for kids to go
to playgrounds and enjoy them and giggle and laugh and
have a great time and the safety the requirements.

Speaker 18 (30:23):
Yeah, so I mean in this case, the you know, yep,
you can abide by the standard, but there's lots of
there's a lack of critique.

Speaker 19 (30:33):
I guess you know.

Speaker 18 (30:35):
I come from an academic background, and the standard is
not legislation. So the Health and Safety Act is the legislation.
That's what tells you that you need to do your
due diligence. But how you go about that is subject
to critique, and so abiding very rigidly by the playground

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standard at times can actually undermine itself when.

Speaker 19 (31:00):
You apply it to the letter of the law.

Speaker 18 (31:02):
It's so black and white that because play is so broad,
it actually sometimes defeats and it isn't. Actually I write
about this stuff. I blog about this speak at a
conferences and.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
How can we how can we find your blogs and
so we can read more about what you've got to say. Damien,
you can.

Speaker 18 (31:24):
Find me on LinkedIn doctor Damien Puddle or Damien Puddle
dot com.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, cool, doctor Damien Puddle.

Speaker 18 (31:31):
But the I think the thing that I want to
bring up into the conversation is that there are other standards.
So ISO four ninet eighty was a standard that was
published in twenty twenty two and it's all about benefit
risk assessment, and so it's for anything to do with
physical activity, you should be accounting about the benefits as

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well as the risks and then making a balanced judgment
based on that data. So abiding by the standard is
not actually risk management, it's compliance. And so you don't
actually carry anything out. You just go does it meet
the standards? No, it doesn't, and then you make a decision.
And usually counsels will make a decision just to exactly
what the standard says, rather than using their own local

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context and knowledge to impact a decision, because you can
still make a sensible decision even if it doesn't black
and white meat the standard.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Is that because people are out of touch or because
they're fearful of the consequences if someone gets.

Speaker 18 (32:27):
Injured, I think anyone that's making decisions is concerned about that.
No one wants to get in trouble. But you know,
people get hurt on compliant playgrounds all the time and
that's not a concern. So for me, I do challenge
that sense of is it actually about health and safety
or is it about that fear of getting in trouble?

(32:48):
And so carrying out a benefit risk assessment is very thorough.
You know, it's not a throwing out the baby of
the bath water and saying, oh, we're just allowing all
sorts of crazy risks to happen. But anytime you do
physic collectivity, if you're going mountain biking, you know there's
a risk that you fall off your bike, but there
are all these amazing benefits and that's both for the
individual but then the social and societal level, And that's

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why these things are so important, and so if we
don't think about those things, then we potentially create bigger
issues down the track. And that's what the risk management
professes and even in playground inspectors and stuff who actually
wrote to this other standard recognize that anytime we're doing
physical activity stuff, we have to think about that, and
using a workplace model for a user experience is not

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the right context.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Is there also a risk though, when you talk about risks,
that you spend a whole lot of money on a
park that no one uses as the numbers of people
that go to the park, taking into consideration around the
success of the park. Because I'm thinking about a particular
flying fox that was put in not so long ago
near me and I never see anyone on it. So
that's a risk, isn't it that you make something so

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lame that no one wants to use it?

Speaker 17 (34:00):
Absolutely?

Speaker 18 (34:00):
And that's sort of the broader conversation that we and
other people play advocates and advisors and doing that work,
both in New Zealand and abroad, is that you spend
a lot of money potentially on that, especially if you're
abiding by the standards we're surfacings like fifty percent of
your budget sometimes and you might get injury prevention gains

(34:21):
from that, But what you might then lose and play
value where do you send people? Do you send kids
have got nothing to do and they just spend their
time online? And what risks do they gain then by
having unbetted online access. There's a whole lot of different
things that perhaps haven't thought about the impact of our
planning and our design decisions when we've thought about safety,

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but we haven't necessarily thought actually about health as a
whole holistic approach.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yes, I mean that sort of leads to the question
how beneficial is risky play for children?

Speaker 18 (34:54):
Very very but data is very very strong on that
and in fact where it's probably in two weeks time,
I think the twenty fifth of September, the Canada, along
with a global group launching relaunching their twenty fifteen statement
on the importance of outdoor, active, risky play, and there's

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a lot of growing research on the fact that this
is essential. It's not a you know, and there's some benefits.
It's really crucial for children's development and into the.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Life, of course, which is a good thing.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Now, Damian, I'm just having a little bit of investigation
to your background. I see that you previously did a
lot of park or. Are you still in the parkour game?

Speaker 3 (35:37):
That's pretty risky.

Speaker 18 (35:39):
Yes, yep, I still do park or. I still coach parkour.
That's what my PhD is, and hence the doctor title.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
I love it.

Speaker 18 (35:49):
The thing about I played a lot of rugby as well,
and the thing about parkour is you make all your choices.
That's the same with play. You get to say no
to everything. I didn't get to say no playing rugby,
And while I still loved it, I got concussions and
I broke bones and it was all for putting my
body on the line to win and it's for a

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good cause. And there seems to be no issue sometimes
with that. But yeah, we can be very, very controlling
in regards to what we can do for play, but
we can have as many children as we want hurting
themselves on a sports field.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Well, you know what, I'm so glad that you're working
in the space, Damien. You have the exact person that
should be doing this. So I'm good on you and
I'm going to follow you closely.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Thank you very much, Thank you very much, really great
to chat with you. That is doctor Damian Puddle. You
can check out some of his blogs and some of
his work. But a fascinating guy and the right guy
to be looking at play. It is eight minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty Tight It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons
News Dogs.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
It is five to two, So many takes to come
through on this one.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
What popular guy, our last guest know what a top
man that doctor Bundle was. I think it's Puddle, Puddle Bundle.
It's good to yep, love this park. Doctor. What a legend,
says this text. Another says, what an amazing interview with Damien.
What a GC he is top man? Yeah cheers boys, Yeah,
absolutely he was. Hi, guys, my child was never boring.
We lived in the country. My twin brother and I
had to walk to a cow shed and clicked a

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billy full of milk after school. It's necessary going past
a quarry. I'm gonna move on for that one. But
it's a great story. I'll read that. I meant to
read this one. Hi, guys. Many moves ago, when I
was eight, my brothers made a flying fox from the
top of a pine tree to the ground. They said
girls are whimps, so I said, watch me. I hit
a knot on the rope and fell to the ground
and was winded. All my brother said to me is
don't tell mom I survived. I'm seventy.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Cheers Ginny. Yeah, what a great story.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
And sorry to the previous text. So I started reading
your story. It's very long, but very interesting. We just
don't have.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Time for it because we're backed up with the hour.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
We was a good story and appreciate your text.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
Yeah, and thank you everybody who called and contributed to that.
Really enjoyed that discussion. Coming up after two o'clock. If
you're in the market, dubai or rent a house, would
you request to spend a night there?

Speaker 3 (38:07):
First, some keywis.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Reckon and the old sleepover could reveal the real deal.
Noisy neighbors, freezing cold, bedrooms traffic at three am.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Good idea, were just a bit weird.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Got it, You've got to do it. Got it, most
expensive thing you ever buy in your life. And the
first night you spend it is the first night you
own it. Well you know, the first night you spend it,
you already own it.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Take it for a span. What do you say? Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two ninety two is the text number, new Sport
and where they're coming up real fast. But stay right here.
We'll be back very soon. Hope you're having a good
Friday afternoon.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Talking with you all. Afternoon. It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams
Afternoons used dogs.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
It'd be afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
It is seven past two.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Hey, So you might have heard about that accident and
dned and recently on the roof that situation, and I
just want to point out this, give a little page
that's going to help Jaden Broom. As most of you
would have heard, Jaden Broom had an accident on Monday night,
eighth of September. This has left Jayden with serious injuries

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and in hospital and he's been moved from Deneed to
christ Church. At this time, Jaden's family need as much
help as you can give them. They're raising money on
this page and will be paid to Mo Murray who
will act as the administrative the funds along with Chris
Wilson at the family's requests. So this family and this
young man need help. So please, if you can go

(39:36):
to please help Jaden's family at give a little dot
co dot and zed and donate what you can because
it's a difficult situation and it'd be great if this
great young New Zealand I could get some help.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Yep, So that's website again, it's give a little but
if you just search for please help Jaden's family and
give what you can. Incredibly tragic accident and it will
go a long way to the family. Right, let's get
into this discussion. So if you're on the market to
buy a house or even rent a house, how would
you feel about spending the night there first or ask
the agent? Can we just take it for a bit

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of a test drive. Some kiwis are starting the old
sleep over trend which could reveal the real deal. So
the noisy neighbors maybe a gang pad over the side
of the fence traffic at three am, whatever the situation
could be, How would you feel about asking for a
sleepover before you go and buy a house. Now, a
lot of people might be thinking that's a bit weird,

(40:30):
but it's taking off in the US and Europe. Many
many homeowners are saying this is the probably one of
the biggest purchases they are ever going to make in
their life. So they're asking, sometimes, can we spend a
week in the home before we decide whether we want
to buy it?

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, And it's funny that we think that's crazy, But
you spend so much money on a house, and you
could potentially be paying that off for thirty years, and
yet you buy it before you've spent a single night
in it. I remember the last house I bought, or
the one before the last one I bought. When I
came back, I bought it, and then when we finally
settled up and moved in, So I bought it at
the auction and went round there that afternoon, so it

(41:04):
didn't really have a massive look at it before we
because we're in a hurry. Wasn't that mad era about
I know twelve years ago where you just were in
a flurry to buy a house. Yeah, and there were
so many people at the ox, so much demand, and
so I won the auction, I say one, I won
the right to get a big mortgage. But anyway, sort
of signed it in there and then left and drove
past a couple of times. And then when we took

(41:26):
over I looked it. I was like, I already remember
this place. Did I buy this one? That's the right number,
And it looks so different without the staging stuff in it.
And then we started to know things about the neighborhood,
and the neighbors ended up being great and everything, although
I'm pretty sure there was a sign that was mentioning
some social housing had been taken down before we bought it.
But that's insane that you would spend that much money

(41:50):
on something and planned to pay it off, life changing
thing and have never spent a night in it.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Because when we look at a car, a new car
purchase or even a second hand car, there'd be very
few people that wouldn't take it for a test drive,
take it for a span, have a think about it.
How does it handle? How does the engine sound? Any
knocks I can hear, but yeah, when it comes to houses.
Most Kiwis admit I'd feel pretty uncomfortable, even on the
rental situation.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
We're about to move into this new place.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
If I turned around to the agent and said, hey,
just mind if we if we spend the night here
before we make a decision, they'd look at us and say, yes,
I would mind.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah they will list, Yeah they would. Well, I mean,
but there's things a bit different now that the market's
closed down. So if you wanted to get a deal
across the line, would you move out for a week
and let some people move into your house that you're
trying to sell to see if they like it?

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah, and a competitive market, would you do that?

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Have you done that? Is this a thing you'd love
to hear from real estate agents on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty or people that have bought houses and
once they've moved in, they've found out that there was
a whole lot of stuff that they didn't know about.
I mean, what if the place is haunted? Very true,
it could be in a conjuring situation.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Could be a good selling point.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
So with house prices being pretty competitive at the moment,
should we demand a sleepover before signing a lease or
the mortgage.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Love to hear from you. I eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty is the but a call it is eleven past.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Too your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk,
say'd be.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
Afternoon to fourteen past two. So, with house market competition
being as hot as it is right now, should we
be demanding at least one night's stay in a property
before we sign on the dotted line? Or is that
just a step too far in the New Zealand property game.
Love to hear your thoughts on our eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty six.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
This is no way too long in the house and
they'll find all the skeletons and patch ups and bad
smells and polter ghosts. Get them in and out before
they find out. That's what I always say.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yeah, yeah, Chris, how are you mate?

Speaker 6 (43:50):
Yea good things may here?

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Are you guys?

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Very good? So tell us your story.

Speaker 20 (43:55):
Yeah, well, we bought this house ahead of it of
a check out. It was reasonably all right. But year
the night we moved in, my wife and I were
sitting out on the balcony thinking Jesus is bloody nice,
isn't it. Sim We heard of a bike check off
and he had a big brawl at their house that
sort of rolled down the road. It sounded like it was, yeah,
going right past the front driveway actually, which is pretty awesome.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
So that would have been a bit of a surprise
for you on your first night, Chris. Did that damper
the love of the new home?

Speaker 20 (44:28):
We did wonder what the neighborhood was, like, I'll just
tell you. It's up on the high Buscus Coast, so
I know, things get get a little bit fearal up there.
But we couldn't realize how much I love the place. Now.
Good a good little community, but jeez, that was a
knife introduction.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Do you think things had been hidden from you at all?
Or do you was this just sort of a one
off thing.

Speaker 20 (44:48):
I think there were a couple of houses that were
a bit oldie, but now it's been gentrified a bit,
so it's come up. It's come all right now.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Yeah, I mean, shall I say yeah, we'll say this.
I'm not going to name names, but there was somewhere
someone that works in this office and when they were
selling homes, there was a neighbor who had some rowdy
kids and they're a bit you know, full noise. So
he went over to them and see, hey, look, can
you just take off for a couple of hours. Well
we've got the open home and I'll shout you and
everybody in the house, and wendays.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
I wonder how much that goes on, Chris, I'm madge.
Quite a bit bad idea.

Speaker 20 (45:19):
Yeah, I have to think about that when I'm selling
my house. My kids are a bit noisy.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Chris, was there anything else that you checked?
Did you do because a lot of people do the
old three am drive by before finally signing on the
dotted line.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
You didn't do that.

Speaker 20 (45:35):
Now, I didn't bother about that. We were pretty frothing,
so I thought we'd just go grab it. But yeah,
the idea of a night in the house beforehand, the
one thing that peaks mines is about that. It could
be a good financial idea.

Speaker 19 (45:45):
Is your book and.

Speaker 20 (45:46):
Your night staying there and then just chuck it on here,
B and B collect a bit of money go around
doing that.

Speaker 19 (45:51):
You'd be a few bucks up.

Speaker 14 (45:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
An interesting idea. You say to the people, you can
spend the night in the house, but you'll have to
book the house's great. Oh here we go. Sorry, funny
how it's a standard practice have a bill to go
absolutely top to bottom probing the proper and finding absolutely
every last fault with it. But this is now two

(46:14):
labor current social media strategy is almost exclusively to single
out the person minister incredibly unhealthy. So it confused by
the second half of that.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Yeah, a couple of topics in that one. Yeah, but yeah,
I mean quite right that most of I read.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
I read on to the second topic. I should have
stopped with the first one.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Any chance to land time.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
But the point is that you'll have the inspector in,
you'll tick everything, you'll look at the limb, you'll you'll
find out the earthquake status, all that kind of stuff.
But then you move in and you find out that
a freight train comes past at I don't know, three
in the morning. Yeah, I mean, if you haven't noticed
ra railway tracks, that's probably on you.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Yeah, biber where But I going to say, when we
were looking for our first time, and there was a
couple of places, I always wanted to test the water pressure,
so I'd walk in there during the open home go
straight for the shower and crank the shower on.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
And a couple of the real.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Estate agents told me after that, and see, please don't
do that. Don't be tuning on the shower. This is
an open home. This isn't your home yet. I'm like, well,
hang on a minute. How am I meant to check
if there's good water pressure here?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Did someone say that?

Speaker 4 (47:08):
Yeah, a couple of real estate agents. They got really
upset when I turned the shower off.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Oh my god, because when I bought a house once,
I hadn't checked the shower pressure. Yeah, and I was
just I was thinking about that, going, oh, I such
an idea for not checking it. And then when I
got in there, I had great shower pressure. You move
into a house with a dribble and then that that
sucks you. You've got to, you know, sometimes reinvent the
entire wheel to get some pressure up.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
So put it back on the market.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
I mean, forget having you know, maybe staying over is
too much to us. But when you go to the
open home, can I just have a shower? Great idea
just discognized. Or if I strip off and jump in
the shower.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
I bought my own robe, got some soap here O
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to cool. Would you spend a night in a house
before buying or renting it the spot heading problems like noise.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Or cold Regarding buying or renting a house, that's a
step too far personally. That's why there's a conditional unconditional clause.
It's up to the buyer who their d D on
the property, and do their d D on the property
and research the street area they want to buy it.
You wouldn't eat a cake and moan about it afterwards,
would you?

Speaker 14 (48:09):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, I've definitely eaten a lot of cakes. I' bought
cakes before and for birthday parties and got them back
to the party and then they haven't been great, and
I've moaned about it because I expected it to be
a better cake.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
I think that's a pretty common thing.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Yeah, I mean, but also sometimes when it's a really
hot market, people will choose their buyer that's going unconditional
rather than the buyer that's going conditional.

Speaker 14 (48:28):
Right.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, So if you come in with a whole lot
of conditions and someone's offering the same amount of money
were slightly less with no conditions, then you know.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
And we just actually heard from Heather to Police Yellen,
who's on in a couple of hours. She took an
apartment for a test drive down in Wellington two nights.
She stayed in it before. I don't know if she
did she purchase it in the end, Andrew, we'll have
to figure that out. But see it's more common then
you think. What do you say though, Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Matt and Tyler just turned on the radio. You're spot
on about buying house. Only in the last fifteen years
have property inspections come in. But I always used to
tell clients open all the windows and cupboards, turn on
the taps, et cetera. Some would say they embarrassed, but
I would say, you try to address on before you
buy it. Here you're spending at least six hundred k. Yeah,
you can turn on the taps. Twenty past two, Matt.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Heathan Tyler Adams. Afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty on Youth Talk.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
Z'd be for a good afternoon Tue twenty two past two.
So it's one viewing enough to know if a homes right,
if your purchasing or should buyers get a real feel
with an overnight stay?

Speaker 3 (49:32):
What do you say?

Speaker 19 (49:32):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Eighte hundred and eighty ten.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Eighty Rosie, welcome to the show. You've been selling houses
for a long time. Have you ever had a potential
buyer ask for for a sleepover to try it out?

Speaker 21 (49:43):
I can't say that I have, and I probably wouldn't
be too seen. And unless I knew the buyer pretty well,
if it was a friend or someone I knew pretty well,
you'd definitely consider it well that.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
The buyer was a friend or the Yeah, right? And
why is that? Why wouldn't you not want someone to
try it out?

Speaker 21 (50:04):
Well? I guess it's all about trust, isn't it.

Speaker 22 (50:06):
You know?

Speaker 21 (50:06):
So how are you going to monitor it? Are we
going to let the buyers stay there on their own
or the vendor? Like, how would you organize it? Would
it be like an airbnb situation? So you're going to
have to handle it very carefully so that everything was
looked after. You want to know the buyer's intends very well,
wouldn't you?

Speaker 2 (50:28):
But can you see that it's quite an odd thing
that we do in our lives where we will test
drive a car. But the most expensive thing that we
buy in our lives the first we already own it
by the time we spend the first night in it.

Speaker 21 (50:41):
Look, I totally agree with you, and it's a really
interesting concept.

Speaker 20 (50:44):
I must have known.

Speaker 21 (50:44):
I hadn't thought about it till I end you're talking
about it, because it is interesting. If it's an airbnb,
people do go and stay in a place and then
maybe they think, hey, if it comes up for sale,
o'ld buy it because they've already stayed there. But if
it's a house that's on the market and people are
going through it, how would you organize it? I'm trying
to think of them, how it would be organized.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
It would be complicated because the whole family's got to
move out, and you know, I imagine it's hard enough
to get time for the open home where everything's ready
for the other home and the family's out, but you
have to you know, it would almost only be in
a circumstance with the sellers that already moved out of
the house.

Speaker 21 (51:22):
So that's right. I mean, Look, as I say, if
everyone knew each other quite well, it's a seller near
the buyer, and we all knew everybody. I suppose you
could organize it, and that's a great idea, but there's
a lot of trust involved.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
So what about just generally checking the house. Do you
recommend that people turn on all the taps and try
out the showers and do drive buys at three am
to see what the place is like in the middle
of the night, that kind of thing.

Speaker 21 (51:47):
Well, it's interesting you ask, because people do do a
lot of that. They certainly drive around the area to
check it out at various times. And in fact, somebody
I think has pulled out of a deal because they've
noticed them interesting activity. It's certain outs. So people do,
and you should do certainly see the home more than once.
Some people will visit it several times if they can. Obviously.

(52:10):
Once again, it depends on your agent and how your
one's helpful, and of course we are very helpful. Yeah,
so it's good to be able to have a few
good looks and just you know, kind to sit down
at the lounge and look at the view if there
is one, and just get.

Speaker 6 (52:24):
Us feel to the place.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Yeah, good advice. I'm just seeing how they know.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
I'm just seeing how they do it over in the US, Rosie,
And so the potential buyer, they pay for a two
week or a three week lease, so they actually pay
for the ability to rent the house out for those
three weeks, and then they make the call and then say, yeah,
we love the house, we'll take it full noise, or
we're going to keep looking.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Do you think that that would be a way around.

Speaker 21 (52:49):
It's a great idea, but they'd have to have a
legal agreement. Yes, it'd have to be very legal, and
all the channels and everything would have to be checked.
I guess in this day and age where you just
kind of don't know how people will look after things,
I want to make sure it's all very very bad
for everything is still there when.

Speaker 19 (53:11):
You come back.

Speaker 15 (53:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
And I guess if there's two if there's a few
people competing the house and one of them saying I
need to rent it for three weeks before I buy it,
and someone else is saying, unconditional I want it, then
you're probably going to choose, you know, the seller and
the agent is probably going to go, well, let's choose
the person that doesn't need to stay there for three weeks, right.

Speaker 21 (53:31):
Yes, absolutely, because there is the opportunity obviously if you
do stay there. And something about it you don't like, well,
then you're not going to buy it, are you. So
it is a risk the rest of the vendor.

Speaker 6 (53:42):
I mean it could be a.

Speaker 21 (53:43):
Good risk, as you say, if there's no one else
looking to buy it, it's a risk the vendor might take.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah, but it's interesting that and then all in all
your time as a real estate agent you have never
has never come up before, which was quite interesting.

Speaker 8 (53:56):
It hasn't.

Speaker 21 (53:58):
But it's not a bad idea the.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Sea, Rosie, So you might be expecting that in the
near future.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
We've probably made real estates and sellers lives much more different.
We're just having this conversation.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
Look, it's impossible.

Speaker 8 (54:12):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (54:12):
Yeah, Rosie, thank you very much for having a chat
with us. I really enjoyed that. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Have you ever
regretted missing red flags because you only saw a house
in daylight and we're to sleepover?

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Help I sell homes and cannot believe how little time
people spend in the house before they decide to buy it,
sometimes just ten minutes. Maybe it just feels right that's
from Linda. Yeah, I mean I've been in that experience.
But you get feverish. You go to a house and
there's a lot of people looking at it, and you
decide this is the house. And you've looked at five
ten houses and they haven't been right, and you find
the right one and then you start to panic and

(54:44):
there's a bunch of people looking around it and you
just want to do anything to secure it.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
So yeah, as soon as you get in the car,
say right, we've got to make an offer. Get back
on the phone to that agent and put an offer in.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, I mean, I bought a house, went around, sniffed
around it for half an hour with a build a friend.
He said, it's sweet airs, and then we're back in
the yard for the auction, you know, a couple of
hours after that, and then we bought it. And then
you know, signing the signing the purchase thing with a shaky.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
We're pretty loosey goosey in this country.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
What do you say though, oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty saying the night in a house before you
buy it? Is it weird? Or should we be pushing
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Speaker 3 (56:39):
Thank you very much, Judy.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
So we've been talking about the idea of a sleepover
before you purchase a property, very common in the US
and in Europe. But we also want to venture into
what did you find out about your house and neighborhood
after you moved in. It's not a common thing to
stay the night before you buy a house in New Zealand,
so what did you find out after you bought the property?
Stayed there for a couple of nights and thought, man,

(57:01):
I wish I'd known about that at eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Oh, this is the way to do it. We rented
our house for two years before it came up for sale.
Agents know other people competing for it. We looked around
at other options, but bought the rental house as we
loved it in the neighborhood. No need to move either.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
See.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
I mean that's the perfect situation, isn't it. That's a
try before you buy, A two year try before you
buy is not bad? Lindsey, your thoughts on a sleepover
before purchasing.

Speaker 17 (57:26):
I wasn't much thinking about that I was thinking about
the idea of people inspecting the property before they buy,
and I was mixed up in the lord for forty
seven years and I couldn't believe how many people will
you to just get their uncle to have a look
at the house, or not even have anybody look at
the house. Now they tend to have probably inspections, which
are good. But my adage to people coming in was,

(57:48):
well you try address on before you buy it. Why
don't you go through this house with a tast code?

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Yeah? Yeah, So how much do you think? How much
due diligence do you think you need to do? Is
it bring a builder around with you that can do
an inspection? You want to look at the limb report?
I mean, how much due diligence can you actually do?

Speaker 17 (58:05):
Lindsey Well, going back and tie. When I started forty
years ago, it was just one page contract. Now they're
about a seventeen page contract, which is interesting with all
sorts of warranties and understandings that I think getting a
proper building inspection of the property just good to do
and pay for it. And sometimes you don't have time.

(58:27):
But a lot of people don't know a lot about
the content and shape of a house, what conditions And
having said that, I have you know, we're short. Lawyers
are sort of Charlotte rejecting for the vendor people who
had a property in thiss bitch and then say we
don't like this, this and this, And I would say
that the vendors will tell the people are buying a
second half house, they not buying a new.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
One, and it's not going.

Speaker 19 (58:48):
To be perfect.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
I mean there's a few takes coming through about the
old building report, lindsay. And I think it's fair that
a building report there is to check the bones of
the operation to make sure there's no moisture and all
of those key attributes. But sometimes they do miss the
little things right, like power plugs that aren't working properly
or something that hasn't been wide correctly. So as a fear,
you know, I might not be a sleepover, but to

(59:10):
go in there and just you know, plug something into
all of the outlets, turn on all the tacks, give
the shower a hoon, and check it that way.

Speaker 19 (59:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (59:18):
Absolutely, say to people, you know, people who get embarrassed
and so we can't open cups and said open every
covered door, every window and turn on all taps to
hit the water pressure, et cetera. And you go back
to that situation. You get a car, you get an
aem's pitching, wanted to do it. You're buying a five
or six hundred thousand or even a more million dollar house. Yeah,

(59:39):
don't be afraid to check it.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Out the tires, so to speak.

Speaker 17 (59:43):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's I have to say, this is
a bit of an emotional experience, and somebody was coming
through with that before, and especially when they love the
house they loved, they buy it. And and also, as
somebody said before about a tenant, sometimes when you're selling
a house, your tenant as your best buyer.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Yeah, very true, very true.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Do you think we are we are a little bit
a loosey goosey, a but cavalier when we buy homes, lindsay.

Speaker 17 (01:00:08):
Yes, yes, I did. Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Do you think because do you think that's because we
get excited and we and we really want the house
and we just we overlook things just to get it.

Speaker 17 (01:00:18):
Yeah, it's an emotional decision, that's right. And in most houses,
most are pretty reliable people, so they're not necessarily going
to went across you. But things change. I have to say,
you know, do as I say and not as I do.
My house got when crashed. The house got destroyed in
an earthquake, and my wife looked at about sixty houses

(01:00:40):
until she came across one. She walked in and I
was with her. She said, this is the base with buying.
Get your chippok out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Yeah, thank you for hure. Lind see the six has
bought a house, moved and woke up on the first
night the neighbour's teenage kids were on the roof seventeen
and nineteen. Terrifying. They robbed our house. A week later
I would cry myself to sleep. Everything. Eventually my husband
ended up in a fight in the street with the father.
We had no idea what we were getting into. Found

(01:01:10):
out years later that the evil neighbors were why the
owners had originally moved out and sold the house.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
To oh Man.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
That is the worst, I mean, how bad is that?
You think it's a dream home and then you cut
the teenage neighbors on the roof, do your house over,
and then get into scraps in this tope.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
So you'd be like, you know, if you had been
able to have the sleepover, and then and then the
middle of the night the neighbors ended up on the roof.
You'd be like, I don't think we'll.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Take this message, not the neighborhood but us.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
So we don't need a seventeen and a nineteen year
old jumping up and down the roof and we're trying
to sleep every night.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. So have you
ever had buyers remorse? What did you discover too late
about the place that you purchased? All the people next
door love to hear your thoughts on oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It is twenty three to three.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
B, News Talks Heed B. It is twenty to one Rich,
very good afternoon you yeah kinda guys there you go?
Are we good? So what did you find out after
you purchased your home?

Speaker 15 (01:02:11):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (01:02:12):
Well, we we found out it was coying, aura, and
so it wasn't it wasn't too cleant pleasant, you know,
if we moved and instead of noticing a little bit
of riff raff around the street and and abuse and
things like that. So I wish I sort of could check.

(01:02:33):
I know, I know people can, but if you don't
have the facility or in the know to check who
homes around the place would be quite handy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Yeah, And so how did that play out?

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
So it was a bit of a nightmare for a while?
Did things things calm down?

Speaker 10 (01:02:51):
We rented it out for a bit. We left and
rented it out because it just it wasn't too nice.
Each time I went away, my wife would get that'd
be threatening from the street and thing like that. And
then we got wrong and so we ended up putting

(01:03:13):
it on the market. You know, we moved out and
put it on the market because it just wasn't Did you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Did you tell the Do you tell the people that
bought it about the house?

Speaker 10 (01:03:22):
We did? We did, mean they were desperate for a place,
and then so we discussed it because I mean, you
don't want to have someone movement and then move out
and then it becomes costly. And but we said we
were going.

Speaker 7 (01:03:37):
To sell it within a short period.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Of time, did you.

Speaker 7 (01:03:43):
Uh, yeah, so you didn't kill the new owners?

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
Yeah, I mean it is a you know, I get
some of the rationale behind not making it publicly available
where the Kayang Order homes are. But I think people
should be able to, you know, get a bit more
information on that, because, as you say, you're making a
huge purchase. And for some people they won't care, that
won't manitor them. But for others they you know, there's
probably information they should know.

Speaker 10 (01:04:07):
Right, some other people in the street could kill us.
Have been there for twenty years for me, you know,
raising a couple of kids and go away for work
and you know you don't want to leave your family
there and things you yield out at night and then
you try and break into your car, and try and
break into your home and just even just threatening as

(01:04:30):
they walked down the street.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Did you call the police or killing Order or anything.

Speaker 10 (01:04:35):
Yeah, I mentioned you spoke to Caring Aura, but.

Speaker 7 (01:04:40):
They should have did it.

Speaker 10 (01:04:41):
Really, they didn't action much. It was through the previous government.
Nothing not a lock an action and we sort of
just got swiped away.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Really rich, thank you very much for having a chat
with us. But that is it's a hell of a
thing to experience after buying a home.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
I mean kind in that position where your neighbors are
hassling you and you call the police but the police
can't be there all the time, so it can just
become an absolute rolling nightmare. So should you walk up
and down the street and talk to as many neighbors
as you can, knock on doors and ask them what
kind of neighborhood it is.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
It's probably a smart thing to do. I've never done that. Well,
I've only bought one house, but we certainly didn't do
that at the auction.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
If there's an auction, often a lot of neighbors would
just turn up to watch.

Speaker 20 (01:05:22):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Yeah, so you could ask you a neighbor, you are
you bidding or you're a neighbor, and then go what's
this place like? And they'll say, all those people to
down the road they'll rob your house.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Seat come buy it, Glenn, how are you mate?

Speaker 14 (01:05:33):
Yes?

Speaker 23 (01:05:34):
Good, thanks. I was listening to you one of your callers,
Lindsey here, and he talked about getting the property inspector
or someone to check it. But when I lived in Denmark,
they had a simple solution. Everyone had to be insured.
So when I purchased an apartment, the previous owners also

(01:05:58):
had insurance that if I found any hidden fault or
problems was the apartment While I was living there, their
insurance would have to pay for it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Smart idea. I mean that covers the liability side of things.

Speaker 23 (01:06:12):
It does, and it also makes everybody not want to
do shortcuts and do shoddy jobs. You want to do
the best job possible.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
So just so I'm clear on that, Glenn.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
So you buy a property in Denmark, everybody's insured, You
go and start to live in the house, and then
you notice things that weren't picked up the other the
previous owners are still liable under their insurance, that any
of those things that didn't get picked.

Speaker 23 (01:06:34):
Up, it's correct. I when I purchased the apartment, they
for some reason, this elderly couple had carpet in the
kitchen and I thought that was really weird. Right under
the think, I thought, no worries because they're going to
remove it. So when I after we bought it, we
moved in, I removed the carpet to find that the

(01:06:55):
floorboards were rotten.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Right, so they carpeted the kitchen for the inspection. That's
pretty sneaky.

Speaker 23 (01:07:02):
Oh no, it was old carpet they had. They had
dogs there for decades. I figured the floor might be
a bit bad, but it was genuine hardwood floors, and
I thought, doesn't matter, I'll clean that up in a
lot good was rotten. Yeah, I called our lawyer and
I called them and they went, oh, we're not paying

(01:07:25):
for that. So called the lawyer. Our lawyer rang them
that either you're paying or your insurance paying.

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
It's up to you.

Speaker 23 (01:07:33):
So they decided to pay out of their pofits so
they didn't have to pay the excess.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Wow, that's an interesting system. Thanks for your call, Glenn.
I mean, if you so, if you're looking around, I mean,
this wasn't the case in that situation. But that's really
sweeping things under the rug, isn't it. So if you
go into a bathroom it's all carpeted, then there's probably
something terrible under the carpet.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Yeah, you've got to ask questions.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
If you ever see carpet in a weird spot, it's
probably covering something out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Hey, so real estate agents have to disclose if KO
homes are nearby or being built.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Right, I ad an idea. That's great. Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty as a number to call. Nine
two nine too, is the text number. We've got to
play some messages, but plenty of texts coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
My street is full of doll bludgers and losers as well.
They are not great New Zealanders.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Put the house on the market. It is fourteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons, News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
News Talks EDB. It is eleven minutes to three, and
we've asked the question what did you find out about
your house and neighborhood after you purchased it? Any red
flags that you didn't discover beforehand?

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Hey, JENSA. We brought our dream home in the country,
built in eighteen ninety two, lovely place. We asked to
stay a night before, unconditional, but it was refused by
the seller even though it was not occupied. Anyway, bought
it and moved in and on the third night we
all woke to a scream somewhere that this would happen
around three am every other day, and we got used

(01:09:06):
to it. After a year there, our lives fell apart
and we had the worst string of bad luck constantly.
One night my son came in saying he can't sleep
because the other girl won't leave him alone. We have
no other kids. This went on for a long time
and we put it off. We put it down to
the kid's imagination, etc. In the end we had to
sell and found out after the fact that the original

(01:09:26):
family had an unexplained death of their four year old
daughter and after that they left. Also found out the
place was used as a Spanish flu hospital too, So yep,
staying that night would have helped.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
I mean, if you have heard this, send that to Hollywood.
That is it's a funny thing with.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
It, because you know, I've been talking how I went
to the Conjuring for the other day, and I like
the Conjuring movies. I like a good supernatural movie. But
it's always frustrating how the family never move out, just
get out of the house. Yeah, you know, and the
Conjuring four they say they can't afford to move in
a motel. But with what was happening in the house,
I would just sit in the street rather than be
in the house. But it's be interesting to see how

(01:10:08):
long you stay there when there's a scream at three
am every night.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
That night and the well, we just got used to it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
We got used to the sun comes and saying he
can't sleep because the other girl won't leave him alone,
and you have no other kids. That's what I'm packing up.
I'm getting out of.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
There, Get out of the house. It doesn't even well, Lloyd,
how are you good?

Speaker 19 (01:10:28):
Thanks?

Speaker 24 (01:10:29):
I bought a couple of houses just on the last month.
I suppose one was through a bona fide agent. The
other one was an outfit to sort of fly the liners.

Speaker 25 (01:10:39):
Really, but.

Speaker 24 (01:10:41):
The second one they had a range with a flash
kitchen and all that, and the agent pushed the button
on the range. Wasn't you hear the fan going, oh
that's good. We didn't even have a hole in the
ceiling much. They subduct out to the outside, and the
bloke had connected. If he could have stayed there for years,
if he didn't realize and just fill up the house.

(01:11:03):
He converted the garage into a bedroom and the main
bed was it the manhole You couldn't get up.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
To have a lock.

Speaker 24 (01:11:10):
But they assured me that the bats just needed topping
up because they'd settled over the years. There was no
bets whatsoever in the over the part that he'd done.
And now after about in about a week. The oven
only goes on grill. So I'm just I'm not sure
where I stand with this.

Speaker 15 (01:11:27):
Now.

Speaker 24 (01:11:27):
I did get some money back for the range hood
and the bats and stuff, but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
I want I wonder how that works.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
Yeah, I mean, I mean the rain is just pure trickery,
isn't it. So I went nowhere it was just basically esthetics.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
At that point.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
There was no piping, so essentially if any anything that
sucked off the oven, the range would just pump it
into the walls.

Speaker 24 (01:11:51):
Just up onto the ceiling.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
Moved from the previous owner.

Speaker 24 (01:11:57):
Well, he reckon, he reckoned history was he forgot to
connect it. And in the in the bathroom there was
a plug they're put in bathroom and there's a plug
about twelve intes away from the taps. I didn't like that,
I thought, So I got a blog and there was
no wiring certificate with the place. If you get men
octrician in this day, they always sign this thing off

(01:12:20):
and give you the number and all that. And I
didn't want people to get executed in the over the handbasin.
But I don't know whether how far did the agents go?
Do they come and test every plug to make sure
they're going.

Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
Or just sometimes you get up there under the building report.
But as I say, I mean the building report we
did for their house we purchased didn't do that. It
just checked the big things like moisture.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
I mean a lot of agents are trying to keep
their reputations so they get repeat business and their word
gets out there in the community. So they don't want
a situation where there's there's problems like that, you know
that they haven't en't mentioned to you? Yeah, I say,
was I telling you? Do I say this on their tyler?

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Did I just say to you in the break that
we've just set it to me in the break?

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
What the We bought a house and that had a
plug for the the heated tail rail. But then when
you look into it that it was just a plug.
There was no connection from the plug to anything.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
That's so good. It was just like, why isn't this
thing getting hot? Yeah, and get a sparky around and
sat the saint white.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
And then so we bought the house, and so I
mentioned that to the I just emailed because then I
found a couple other things, and the agent was, oh
my god, I'm so embarrassed. I'm going to go and
talk to the client, and then we basically never heard back.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Yeah, because how would they find that out? As an
agent a couple of.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Ten and that's pretty tough. I mean you'd assume if
there's a plug and it's sent to the heat to
tail roul lees, the agent goes around and puts their
wet tails on there, they're never really going to find out.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
It all looks like JiTT this is good ticks here,
you get our guys.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
I used to do pre purchase reports, used to take
a minimum of two point five hours.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Crawled under the house. Oh okay, just lost it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Crawled under the house, uninvasive moisture testing, a night light,
testing all powerpoints, checked all cupboards and doors, checked the lights,
which is checked water pressure, crawled through the roof, space,
walked over the roof, checked all the exterior elevation, all
ground because it is not regulated. I was competing against
a lot of cowboys who would do it in fifteen
to thirty minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Yeah, weird idea, guys, Why are you even suggesting this?
It's not even practical. As if someone would be able
to stay in the house for a week, What if
there were fifty people looking at the house. That would
be an entire year of people checking out the house
before they sell it. Yeah, I mean, I mean your point. Yep,
you'd be silly to allow fifty people to do it.
I guess it would be you were very close, you

(01:14:28):
were very close to the deal, and the person was like,
I really want this house, and they want to pay,
and you've agreed on a price and you're nearly good
to go, and then then you just say to the owner,
I just want to do the final due diligence, which
is staying in the house overnight.

Speaker 5 (01:14:43):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
It would never be a situation where fifty people were
staying natural.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
You'd have it be the only person interested in that home,
because otherwise the owner had to say no, bugger that,
I'll go for someone else.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Or the most the person that the bias the cellar
sees as the most interested and as willing to pay
the most.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
Yes, yeah, that was a great discussion.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
It's fair to say, I don't think it's going to
quite take off in New Zealand, Matt, but we shall see.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
We've seated the idea. So the old sleepover it a will.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
This person says, you're stupid if you don't sleep in
a car in front of the house for a week
before you buy it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
A week I mean not enough. I'll go that far.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
I think you might be stupid if you do that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
That's some hard living. A right good discussion. Thank you
everyone who called in text on that one. Coming up
after the news, we've got New Zealander of the Week
and also we're going to get into the big discussion
in the sporting world over the weekend here in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Warriors or all Blacks?

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
Who gets your remote on Saturday night? Get in early
because that's going to be a popular discussion. Oh eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty Warriors or all Blacks?
Who you're watching?

Speaker 6 (01:15:43):
And why so?

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Real stations have to ask the venna if their clients
are working. They have to initial all clauses that they are.
If they aren't working, the vendor has to fix a replace. Okay,
that's the answer to that. Yeahvis CAUs question.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
They are good people. Real estate agents right, New Sport
and Weather coming up very fast, Stay right here. New
Zealander of the Week coming.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Up your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's
Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Sevy Afternoons You seven pass three great to have your
company has always welcome back into the program, so key.
We sports fans face a massive tough call with the
Warriors hosting the NRL Finals clash at six five pm
in Auckland, just an hour before the All Blacks kick
off their Rugby Championship test against the spring Box in Wellington.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
So it is union versus league so chat that people
have been having for the longest time in this country,
especially over the ust few years actually around what sport
is the more exciting? What team they care more about?
The Warriors all the All Blacks. So it's going head
to hear the Warriors start earlier yep, so that they've

(01:16:52):
got some free run and it's a bit of a
bit of a disaster really, as has been pointed out
that they're on at the same time. But it's head
to head and people are going to have to make
decisions yep. At bars and on couches across the country.
The remote control is going to be in contention where
the people turn over for them from the Warriors to
the All Blacks. Yeah, so what are you watching who's

(01:17:12):
more important to you? How are you going to run this?

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
How are you going to deal with this clash?

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
What game has the most on the line? Get on
the phones?

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty If you're heading
down to the pub, have you wrung them ahead of
time to see which way they kind of go? Love
to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call? Nine two nine two is
the text number?

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
What game has the most juice? And what code has
the most juice?

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
At Lady twenty five? Let's get into this, but right
now it is eight past three.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Every Friday on Matt and Tyler Afternoons on News Talk ZB,
we name the new Zealander of the Week in honor
that we bestow on your behalf to a newsmaker who
has had an outsized effect on our great and beautiful
nation as it forges a better and better future for
all of us. And as always, there'll be two runners up,
but only one winner. So without further ado, the Matt

(01:18:03):
and Tyler Afternoons New Zealer of the Week starts now.

Speaker 26 (01:18:08):
Second runner up gets the Workplace Breath of Fresh Air Award.
Some people are grumpy, some people complain all day. But
the lovely woman who took my blood at AHw Anui
Dominion Road this week represents the smiling, laughing glass half full.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Types that make this world a better place. Everyone knows one,
and I want to honor this one because she made
my day even when she was sucking my blood. Unnamed
Friendly Dominion Road. Blood Sucker, you are second runner up
for New Zealander of the Week. Runner Up one also

(01:18:42):
gets the go Hard or Go Home Award. When done right,
you are fast and push the boundaries of what is safe,
teaching kids about risk and reward with nothing but a
steep wire and a tire to slow them down.

Speaker 26 (01:18:54):
When you have been castrated by terrified, safety obsessed WIMPs
bent on the wosification of our entire nation, you humiliate
everyone involved. The once great but currently under attack Kiwi
Flying Fox You are first runner up for New Zealander.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Of the Week and Flying Foxes. For whatever reason, our
winner cannot fulfill their duties as New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 26 (01:19:16):
You'll be asked to step up for all public appearances,
functions and photo opportunities.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
But there can be only one and the winner also
gets the.

Speaker 23 (01:19:33):
Award.

Speaker 26 (01:19:36):
We've still got a lot of you floating around in
our great country, even though some would have you shut down.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
In times like these, it's important to.

Speaker 27 (01:19:42):
Remember that you turn conflict into dialogue, enemies into human beings.
And as history shows us, when you get snuffed out,
often by those who believe they are doing good, the
pressure builds, The anger.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Of the silence grows and erupts and devastating and brutal ways.

Speaker 27 (01:19:59):
For all and my humble and free opinion, we need
to respect, protect, and grow you in all aspects of
our democracy.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Let's celebrate free and open debate.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
Words not war.

Speaker 13 (01:20:10):
Voice is not violence, the great, unruly but mighty democratic
cornerstone of free speech. You ah don't, Madame Tyler, afternoon,
you ylander off the week Take it away, Howie Morrison.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Oh that's huge. That brings a tear to my eye.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
Right coming up very shortly after the break, we're going
to be joined by all Black Legends, Sir John Kerwin
to talk about the big clash over the weekend in
terms of your remote warriors versus AB's.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
That is coming up very shortly.

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
It is twelve past three US talk sib. It is
fourteen past three. So this weekend ki we sports fans
face a tough choice. The Warriors Nral Final kicks off
at six five on Saturday, just an hour before the
AB's take on the spring Box. Two big games, one
night and limited screens. Joining us to break it all
down and where our loyalties may lie is All Blacks Legends,

(01:21:37):
Sir John Kerwin, JK, how are you what about.

Speaker 9 (01:21:41):
The scheduling, mate? Someone needs to chat to the c
NRL and trying to sort of stuff out too, right mate?
We want to watch both.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
It's going to be causing a lot of arguments with
the remote control across the country and there's probably gonna
be some dust ups and bars when people try and
turn off the was.

Speaker 14 (01:21:58):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:21:58):
Yeah, I've installed two TVs so I'm all good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Now JK. The win last week was obviously incredibly emotional
and epic and historic. But do you think the All
Blacks were impressive or a bit lucky at Edinburgh?

Speaker 9 (01:22:13):
No, incredibly impressive. I was really really happy with last week.
I thought it was outstanding and I was happy because
I thought our young guys stood up physically. I mean,
to play South Africa, you know it takes you an
extra two days to recover. They are just brutal in
the contact and I felt especially and so if you
start winning those confrontations at the contact point, then you

(01:22:37):
can get your line speed up and so you can't
let them, you know, getting half a yard through you
through your sort of contact line. And I thought our
young guys really stood up physically. I thought the selection,
you know, to Pave, I thought was outstanding, a message,
probably a subtle message to the coaches to say I
want to play Lock, you know, because've been playing pretty
good at Sex. But at Lock he was great and

(01:23:00):
he's actually a line out caller. But I thought his
physicality and some of the young guys, I thought it
was just really really good. So I thought it was
a really good win. Like I think for me. So
we lost a couple of critical moments last year when
we played them in South Africa and you know, we
were really dominant for sixty minutes, I felt. And then

(01:23:24):
to win that test, I think we'll give them confidence
to kick on a bit more.

Speaker 13 (01:23:29):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Eden Park is obviously, as was much hyped last week,
as you know, as the All Blacks Fortress, the cake
Tin if anything, is the opposite of a fortress, whatever
that is for the All Blacks. Do you think do
you think the venue will come into play this weekend?

Speaker 9 (01:23:43):
No, not at all. I think, you know, for me
to win a World Cup, I always you know, people say, oh,
you know, we're still a few years out, but I
think there's critical wins that you need to do, critical
things on the way to building the confidence with the
team to win the type moment. So for me, I
feel this week is probably more important from an overall

(01:24:07):
confidence of our squad understanding that we can beat the
world champions. So for me, it's a really big win.
I don't think that you know, it's hard to play
in Wennington sometimes because of the weather you don't can
get a bit swirly and it's a bit difficult, But
I don't really think it's a major factor this.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Debut on Leroy Carter.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
He's been labeled the fastest player and you seven rugby
JK here is a gazelle.

Speaker 25 (01:24:32):
Is that what we need?

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Speed?

Speaker 9 (01:24:34):
I totally I am so happy with that selection. I
think Leroy has had this amazing journey come through the sevens.
I mean his individual skills around the ruck out wide
and stuff which you need are really good, but I
think we need pace. You know, there's been a couple
of occasions where if you get half a break and
we've seen it, you know with the Australian winger I

(01:24:59):
played against ol Man Jorgenson. You know, he's just got
this little bit of extra pace. So it's inchs at
this level and I think if we can give him
some ball early with a little bit of space, he's
going to be hard to handle. So I'm really excited
for him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
What about the other changes that Razor has made. What
do you think of the what's what the team that's
going on the park in Wellington.

Speaker 9 (01:25:19):
Yeah, look, I think I think for me, I was
disappointed for Rico. I'm a I'm a fan of Rico,
but I've been where he's at a little bit a
moment in his life where he's he'll be disappointed and
and want to prove you know, he's he's been playing
center then put on the wing, so he'll be really disappointed,

(01:25:39):
but I'm sure he'll get another crack at it. I
think the other change is you know, I thought the
half back combo was pretty good. I did think Damien
came on last week and really made a difference. I
pleased for Damien because he's he's so talented. So I
think the changes, you know, have been a little bit
on form and and a little bit on look what happened.

Speaker 21 (01:26:02):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:26:03):
I think Emoni was was unlucky. I thought he was
you know, got a decent Test match. So I think
when you see the contrast of the South African side, right,
so they haven't settled at all on what their top
fifteen is. I think with Raza, he's he hasn't been
quick to change, so he's given people an opportunity. But

(01:26:23):
I actually think the changes will bring them a bit
of an excitement and a bit more internal competition.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Now, Sir John Coman, obviously you're an absolute legend of
rugby union, but you also played for the Warriors. Where
do you think the nation's heart is sitting this weekend?
Is it with the Warriors or with the All Blacks?

Speaker 25 (01:26:42):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (01:26:42):
With both?

Speaker 9 (01:26:43):
Mate, Like this is why I'm annoyed that we didn't
get our scheduling right. So someone needs to talk about that,
because you know, the Warriors are the nation's league side,
right yeah, and you know I love the Warriors. I
was worrying Number twenty two I watch them all the time.
I really enjoy watching them, and that is sport nowadays.
You can have your favorite league team, you can have
your favorite rugby team, you can have your favorite basketball team.

(01:27:05):
Whatever you want. So for me, you know, I'm really
excited about the Wars. I was a little bit disappointed
hoping they'd get a double life, but that's not been
the case. You know, a little bit worried about the Well,
if you're attacking us, you attack down the left hand side.
You know, our left hand side has been a little
bit put under pressure. But it's not just similar to
the All Blacks. I think when you're playing sudden death,

(01:27:28):
you know, when we lost against Argentina with the All Blacks.
You know, some of our big players had quiet nights
last week. They all had great games. So you know,
our superstars, our heroes of this side. Not some of
the new boys. They're going pretty good, but some of
the older heads. They need to have big nights for
us to have, you know, to have a good one.
So I'm really confident that we're going to do that.

(01:27:51):
I think the side, this particular Warriors side, while they
haven't showed a shitload of consistency over the eighty minutes,
so a whole lot of character and that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
I like about this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Well, mate, it's been awesome talking to you in a
total honor and look enjoy that watching both games on
sept for televisions on Saturday night.

Speaker 9 (01:28:11):
Yeah, how good is that?

Speaker 15 (01:28:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
Maybe the NRL needs to subsidize all of us for
that second screen.

Speaker 14 (01:28:16):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
I think that's where it's voices too, right JK, you're
a great man. Thanks very much for having to chat with.

Speaker 4 (01:28:23):
Us a right see you that is sir John Kerwin,
all blacks legend and we want to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty. So what is
it going to be for you if you're heading down
to the pub?

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
And I will mention very shortly a couple of images
that are already me posted on social media from pubs
having to decide on wach watch game they're going to
be broadcasting.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
But what do you go for?

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
Do you go full noise for the wars or do
you chop and change?

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
And can I just pat us and our way to
team on the back for getting an all black and
X warrior on the show to talk about this this
fixture in the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
Yep, no, I don't perfect.

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
Yeah, absolutely great man, he is I eight one hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is
twenty two past three back in a month.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Matd Heathen time are Adams afternoons? Call Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on used talk.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
V twenty five past three.

Speaker 4 (01:29:14):
So sports fans, you've got a tough call to make
this weekend with the Warriors hosting the ner OL Finals
clash at six o five All Blacks v. South Africa
an hour later. So two big matches one night and
only one remote.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
And on another issue, the people that run the Wait
Tomo Lodge Motel. I'm not George, and you've got the
wrong number. I just got the sext. Hey, George, this
is the wait Tomo Lodge Motel. We tried to call
you to ship your arrival time today. Could you please
let us know what time you are available to come today? Approximately? Thanks,

(01:29:49):
good lue, regards Wait Tomo Lodge Motel. Very nice text,
but just to the wrong person.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
I hope you're doing the right George, and hope you
get to that beautiful hotel before.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
You ask if you fall off a scam no, I
haven't because I've looked up and it's from the correct SNU.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
It's legit. Yeah, okay, that's legit. Well, good luck to
George out there, whoever you are.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
To be fair, that's not a pressing issue for anyone
apart from me and George and the White Toimeo Lodge.
We'll just put that onto the side and get back
to the topic.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
Wars versus All Blacks.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Who's got your heart for the weekend? What are you
going to do with the remote?

Speaker 9 (01:30:17):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:30:17):
I mentioned a couple of images that have been posted online.
So this is an unknown pub in Auckland, and here's
what the note says, Dear customers. Unfortunately we cannot split
our screens and so we have had to make an
executive decision on the rugby on Saturday, due to our
large custom base for All Blacks games, we will show
the Wars at six, but we'll be switching to the
AB's at halftime. We may flick back to the Warriors

(01:30:38):
during the All Blacks half time to check the score
at the end of the game, but no promises.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Have you ever been to a silent disco?

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
So couldn't you do that? Couldn't you just have, you know,
give out the bluetooth to half the room for you know,
so the Warriors is on the screen for half with
the sound up.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Then when the ab start the Warriors TVs go to bluetooth.
You put your headphones in and then you're still in
the pub having a good time, and you're hearing the
commentary of the Wars or the other people. We're hearing
the commentary of the All Blacks.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
You should run a sports bar. It was a great idea.
I'd hear a long mate.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
The sign and disco approach to this very difficult conundrum.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Zach.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Your thoughts on the two fixtures this weekend.

Speaker 16 (01:31:19):
Yeah, well, I think that the Warriors is the bigger game.
It's the culmination of an entire season. The Four Nations
Championships only be gone for like four weeks. I think
that the bigger one is the Warriors game. It's been
going for twenty six weeks. Here is the culmination. I
think that it's going to be a very tough game
to watch though. The injury awards for the Warriors. It's

(01:31:40):
just so deep that I can imagine that people will
tune out a halftime. You might see a lot more
people ending up of the All Blacks game, the Warriors
game is the one to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
And also you could say, to further your arguments, you know,
the Warriors aren't in the playoffs a lot. I mean,
we're in that we were in the playoffs in twenty
twenty three, but before that, it was twenty eighteen, you know,
a long time before that, So that just doesn't happen
there that often that the Warriors get playoff games.

Speaker 16 (01:32:06):
So I mean to take it step even further and
say that when they did make the playoffs in twenty eighteen,
they were only eighth place, and they didn't realistically have
much of a go at it in the first place.
This is the first time in a good decade that
the Warriors have actually looked like a competitive team that
people have wanted to watch in chair force, You're.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
Twenty twenty three pretty good, though, twenty twenty three was
all right, But.

Speaker 16 (01:32:25):
I'm talking about you know, these last couple of years.
Obviously twenty twenty four bit of a down season. But yeah, yeah,
I think that it's a what if season when it
comes to the injury ward missing Luke Metcalf, you know,
you've been missing Fisher Harris Weeks and then you've been
missing other players. It's a real disappointment to see how
it's ended up, but I'm still hopeful.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
Yeah, I mean it is logical.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
It is NRL Finals time for the Warriors and this
is the second test against the South African team for
the Rugby Championship and we've already won the first one.
I think on logical grounds you probably win that One's.

Speaker 16 (01:32:55):
Ech Yeah, well, I think I think also last week
with the Eden Park and the whole fortress, a lot
more people were tuned into it this last week, but
this week you've already kind of seen the results at
Westpac Statia. People has invested. I mean, it is a
sellout game, but I can't imagine as many people caring
about it as they did last week.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Interesting, it might have been a totally different situation if
Fiel Black said lost at Eden Park. Yeah, there might
have been quite a lot more juice in it. But
you know, Jackson Ford and Wade Egan are returning. You know,
I'm excited. I'm excited about both fixed ures. But think
if you call Zach good Man, john Johnny there, Johnny y.

Speaker 25 (01:33:34):
Yeah, Yeah, I am man. Yeah, I'm still on Vailium
and Brozak from watching the Warriors for so many years.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
Good time.

Speaker 25 (01:33:44):
Yeah, but last last year was the no that that
was a tipping point. I actually gave away my first
season jumper to derigate Warriors fan a friend of mine.
I just couldn't do it anymore. So I'm going to
watch the first hour and have a little bit of
humor and then watch the Mighty Abs.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
So you holdly out, no hope or.

Speaker 25 (01:34:11):
Go the Panthers. I say, wow, well.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
You really have been hurt, you have really wound.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
Yeah, that is some trauma right there, John.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
That'll be triggering for some people to hear. But thank
you so much.

Speaker 5 (01:34:27):
Yeah, probably they'll probably know my voice and want to
hump you down.

Speaker 25 (01:34:30):
But that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
So, yeah, you're on the Prozic. What are you kid?

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Yeah, now they know you, and now some of them
know you've got Vailium as well. They could be after that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
John, you're a good man. Thanks for giving us a buzz.
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We've got headlines coming up, but we want to hear
from you. We're going to be full noise into the Warriors,
or is it All Blacks All the.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
Way Warriors is just a club team. The All Blacks
are our national team in New Zealand to support other
clubs country over club all days.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
They that's dirty.

Speaker 15 (01:35:01):
Hu's talk'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no
trouble with a blue bubble. Concern about disruption and safety.
Ahead of plans for huge crowds to cross the Auckland
Harbour Bridge tomorrow morning, tens of thousands of pro Palestine
protesters will meet in Northcote who march over the bridge
to Victoria Park from about nine thirty. The fbis revealed

(01:35:25):
a new video of the suspected shooter of conservative activists
Charlie Kirk and Utah. Footage shows a figure dressed in
black running across the roof before climbing over the edge
and dropping to the grass. Cordons are expected to be
removed later today from the road where Marocoppa futitive Tom
Phillips was shot dead. Police have almost finished examining the

(01:35:49):
camping areas used by Phillips and his children. The mother
of the Maracopa children was in court on driving charges
just hours after her former husband was shot dead. Open
Justice reports Katherine Christie also known as Kat, was in
Tikuweiti District Court on a charge of driving with access
blood alcohol after being stopped by police last month. Gregor

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Harold Premium. Now back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
Thank you very much, Jody. It is twenty six to four.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
Now there's a few Warriors fans coming through her that
aren't pleased with John's comments, you know, his go the
Panthers comments, the six says made the fleas of a
thousand camels and fest John's jockstrap, give yourself an uppercut.
This is from Henry, a dedicated Wise fan.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
That is beautiful poetry.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
So he's cursing both ends of John. There as an
uppercut and flees in his jockstrap.

Speaker 4 (01:36:46):
So yeah, to be fair to John, he was you know,
he'd had a bit of prosect there in a bit
of alium.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
So yeah. Hey, So we're putting together the count on
the text machine on nine two nine two, and it's
ever changing. So it's it's it's testing Tyler and I
as we count these which what people are going to watch, yep,
And we have to weigh up what they're generally saying yep,
because some of them sort of sitting on the fence
kind of situation. So it's currently Warriors one hundred and

(01:37:12):
forty two to All Blacks two hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
And ten, so that the All Blacks are ahead, Yeah,
surprising wars fans. If you want to change that nine two,
nine to two, we'll keep a running Telly, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
Sorry, says the Sex about their injury ward the Warriors
and no longer a top eighteen. It's going to be
a very hard watch. That's from Mike. But what does
Mark think. Welcome to the.

Speaker 19 (01:37:31):
Show, goodnight gentlemen, and yeah you.

Speaker 5 (01:37:37):
Guys most of us have got Sky TV and you
can what I'll do. What will be doing will be
making my picture about half pass five, watching the football
at six and taping the rugby and then after the
league has finished, straight over wash the haka and then

(01:37:58):
wash the bs.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Well do you rereckon? There'll be enough stoppages and the
All Blacks and for you to fast forward through to
get close to live Mark.

Speaker 5 (01:38:11):
Basically, you don't turn the radio or you don't listen
to you. You just want to tell it?

Speaker 25 (01:38:18):
Do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
You follow social media? You're on your phone, march, You've
got mates that will text you the result.

Speaker 5 (01:38:24):
I'll follow.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Yep. Yeah, you'll be You'll be running a blackout situation.

Speaker 5 (01:38:30):
Pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
And that is the key, isn't it?

Speaker 5 (01:38:33):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
Because it's well for most people.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
If you're trying to watch the Warriors and the Abs
and you've got your phone by you, and then your
old Facebook messenger blows up because the boys are watching
the All Blacks, pretty hard to not take a quick peek.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
But Mark, you've got that sorted.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
I think blackout for the blackout, blackout for the black
All Blacks, blackout, something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:54):
Yeah, you just don't. You don't hear it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
So, Mark, who are you calling on both games? What's
your prediction for both games?

Speaker 5 (01:39:07):
I'll go to the All Backs first. I think the
Old Brecks by twelve and plus or plus twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:39:16):
I've been a long time Penrant supporter, but since I've
won four in a row, I still back the Warriors is.
But it's going to be a hard one, the Warriors one,
because I've got to come with you. The a game,
the best game they've played all season. The guys like

(01:39:39):
Mischia Harris, he's got to step up and lead. He's
got to lead from the front. He's going to have
the mungled in them and take it to penrant and
his team will follow. But if he doesn't, so sad
to say that, I think we'll stand a chance.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
There you go, Mark, Yeah, good luck. So twelve plus
to the Abs and unknown on the Warriors.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
All right, we read out those stats with the All
Blacks with the Warriors. Has been a flurry of Warriors
texts coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
Yeah, we've had a change.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
I mean it's convenient now people are just texting all
Blacks or up the Wars and no explanation of why,
just trying to get the numbers of the team up.
It's going to be very hard for us account. We're
going to have to be a bit of a vibe.
So at this point, the Warriors are making a comeback
in terms of texts about the who owns the heart
of New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
Right now it has narrowed. Nine to ninety two is
the text number. But we want to hear from you, Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, where do your loyalties
lie Warriors or the All Blacks.

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
It is twenty one to four.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Abs our greatest rivalry tradition, and nothing beats it. Can't
even come close by close. I'm in close.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons news.

Speaker 4 (01:40:57):
Talk, sa'd be afternoon Warriors versus the All Blacks? Where
does your loyalty lie in terms of watching it on
Saturday night?

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
And I'm running sort of an unscientific poll around the
texts that are coming through in supporting of which what
they're going to view, and look, some of them sit
on the fence here. So I'm watching the All Blacks,
but I hope the Warriors win. Which side do I
put that one on? We can't have neutral, can't have neutral? Well,
I was going to say, because they're watching the All Blacks,
they want to wait that towards the All Black side.
So that puts it up to two five six for

(01:41:25):
the All Blacks versus one nine eight for the Warriors.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
But the Warriors are coming back strong here. It is
fast closing.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
When it comes to the text machine nine two nine
two Heart of the Nation competition between the two codes.

Speaker 4 (01:41:36):
Yeah, well, Brian says, guys speaking on behalf of Norse. Sure,
ten thousand votes for the spring Box. Unfortunately, you can't
just put it in ten thousand votes, Brian. But but
love your attitude.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
But yeah, I mean if you if you vote for
the spring Box that goes on to the All Blacks
fixture side. Yeah yeah, Jason, welcome to the show. What
are you planning to do around this clash?

Speaker 19 (01:41:56):
Gentlemen? Up the wires first off? Come on, good behind them,
Stay loyal.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
To the end, keep the faith.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
What do you mean to the end. It's not are
you saying it's going to be the end?

Speaker 19 (01:42:07):
Well, hopefully I'm under the back of training and not
to the pub, so we'll go. We'll go with that.

Speaker 14 (01:42:13):
But a bit like Mark, I've got my Sky comes
with the internet so I can watch the Warriors. Then
after that, with a big smile on my dial, I
can flick it on the All Blacks and watch from
the starts.

Speaker 4 (01:42:27):
What if what if the Warriors are going gang buses
or it's so close? Will you stick with the wars
and just forget about the abs?

Speaker 19 (01:42:34):
I forget about the mate?

Speaker 14 (01:42:37):
First off?

Speaker 19 (01:42:37):
Mate, first off, a b's second place for me.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
You're going on the Wars column the ad Jason.

Speaker 14 (01:42:45):
Yeah, I've looked down and get me wrong, I've I've
been a league all my life, so leg always comes first.

Speaker 19 (01:42:50):
Yeah, love it Rugby rugby. I don't know, it's going
to be a tough game for both of them.

Speaker 14 (01:42:56):
Actually, I think the All Blacks haven't got an easy win,
so I think, you know, the South Africans are going to.

Speaker 19 (01:43:00):
Come out firing and bomb squad of them at the
end of the at the end of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
There's something about how everyone and this is this is
just a vibe thing, and I had the correct vibe
last week. I just found in the bones that the
AB's had it, which is an easy one to pick
at Eden Park. So I really claim much of it.
But just the way everyone, even Warriors fans a semi
and for good reason, you know, logical reasons stuff, are

(01:43:25):
sort of not giving the Warriors much of a chance.
That that gives me. That gives me a strange sort
of hope, you know that just the just the lack
of faith that that's in the team, even for the
biggest fans, that they can pull this off.

Speaker 19 (01:43:38):
Yep.

Speaker 14 (01:43:39):
I think they've had their losing street. Now it's time
for the winning street. I'm going to go to the
c B put a five one for them to win,
and then five of them to win the Grand Final,
so a multi.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
Yep, we'll they'll be over payout. Yeah, exactly, that'll be
a great payout. Jason, you're a good man. Thank you
very much for giving us a buzz. I've got those
odds here.

Speaker 4 (01:43:56):
Actually, according to tab So for the wars, New Zealand
Warriors are paying three bucks twenty versus one point thirty
five for the Panthers, and then for the Abs on
new Land, all Black's hot favorites at a dollar fifty
in South Africa are paying two dollars fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
Now, Andrew, we've just said something interesting, I thought. On
the Osking Show, he said that, you know, the Panthers
have to lose at some point, so you know, because
nine on them, it could be this weekend, you know. Yeah,
that's what he said to asking and that there's there's
a logic to that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
He's a smart man. One hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call, Malcolm.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
How are you?

Speaker 25 (01:44:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 28 (01:44:36):
Not bad mate, Well not that great I've been backward
and forwards to Sky trying to convince them to put
the Warriors on Sky Open on their free to wear channel,
and to know they mate just give me to run
around all sort of excuses have allowed five hours of
all the other around our old games and women's games,

(01:44:56):
and that they can't even pour in fifteen minutes for
highlights for Warriors.

Speaker 7 (01:45:00):
What's up with that?

Speaker 4 (01:45:02):
M I mean, good on you for fighting the good fight, Malcolm,
but I don't know about the the and ounce of
making that happen. I mentioned this broadcast deals, You've got
to get around.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
Imagine Sky are looking at this as a real cash cow,
a time to make some cash, you know, and the
people and firm up people's subscriptions, so they're not going
to give away their golden goose. I wouldn't say the
Warriors being in the in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:45:24):
Yeah, the hype is there, absolutely for both games, but
certainly for the Warriors as well. Oh e one hundred
and eighty ten eighty Where do your loyalties lie on
Saturday Night Warriors or the ab So many texts are
coming in.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
Yeah, it's hard to keep up. I'm not in Dorkland,
so I don't care about Doalkland teams like the Warriors.
This person says Warriors and Aukland team, the rest of
us don't care. That is not true. That is absolutely
not true. Yeah that people that that, people don't care.
This one look at this, This is this is this
Wayne here, He's close to my heart. Hi, boys, My
priority tomorrow will be the four five Otago Taranaki game

(01:45:57):
O Targo are good this year at our Dunedin Stadium.
Then the abs with the Wars squeezed in somewhere between
great viewing boys.

Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
Charlie, Oh, that's the way to do it, Charlie. Oh,
this is interesting if you want to both go to
rock Pool and Mickey Finn's and Christitch Mickey finn is
playing the Warriors, and just down the elevator at rock
Pol they're playing the All Blacks.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
You just got to jump in the old elevator and
go down a floor.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
I've got to tell you that the Warriors fans are
passionate because the All Blacks will way out ahead. And
now I'm doing everything I can to count these text
as they come through, and the Warriors are making a
bloody a run to knock off the the All Blacks
on the text machine.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
It is a massive comeback. Nine nine two.

Speaker 4 (01:46:35):
By the way, there's still time All Blacks Versus Warriors,
and we'll do that final tally before the show is out.
This one here, guys, the Warriors two hundred dollars haircuts,
two dollars heads, two dollar hands, two dollar hearts.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
Gave up on them long ago.

Speaker 4 (01:46:49):
The All Blacks versus South Africa will be another cracker
close again.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
That's from Stephen. That's fighting words, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
I damn, Matt. The opposite of a fortress as a graveyard.
They are searching for that. Yeah, the Caketon is a
bit of a graveyard for the All Blacks. Not It's
difficult statistically, and we've got to win there since it
was the full graveyard.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47:11):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Will take a few more calls on this and that
tally is still going as we speak. Matt is working
his butt off. There's thousands of texts coming through wires
versus AB's what do you reckon?

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons, used
talk zed B.

Speaker 4 (01:47:33):
News, talks ed be So we aren't talking about the
big decision. If you're a sports fan over the weekend,
are you going to watch the Warriors all the way
through or are you're going to switch over for the
All Blacks?

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
The All Blacks Australian reffs won't let the Warriors win anyways,
is this text okay, come on you guys, the Red
Men Liverpool, then the Abos Warriors. Way down the list
of ouch thorrory something out there there, there's the there's
the first pose for Liverpool Liverpool. Don't watch either, watch
the in NESCA. There's a lot of people coming through
that are sort of pos on both houses. But so

(01:48:05):
many texts coming through. Oh my god, you can't stop.
It's like a it's like a you know, a feed
on an angry YouTube clip.

Speaker 4 (01:48:13):
It's starting to smoke a little bit. Absolutely, Uh Patrick,
get a mate?

Speaker 5 (01:48:19):
O great?

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
And what will you be watching?

Speaker 22 (01:48:23):
Well, I'm a I'm a league fan. I actually support
the Broncos. This is before the Warriors came into the competition.
So Warriors are my second team and I do watch
rugby as well, so my main thing, my main game
I'll be watching, will probably be the Warriors because they're
on first. If they're getting threshed by the time the

(01:48:47):
All Black start, then I'll probably switch over. Otherwise, I
watched the whole game and then watch the replay and
fast forward until I catch.

Speaker 19 (01:48:53):
Up to the life.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
Have you got a number? Have you got a number
of being threshed that that will make you swap? How
far down will they have to be? Twelve plus?

Speaker 7 (01:49:03):
I'd say twelve plus?

Speaker 22 (01:49:04):
Yeah, we actually they can come back from that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
They can come for that.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
Yeah, so no, maybe about a twenty plus, But then you.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
Risk the most amazing comeback of all time in the
most legendary game in the history of the Warriors, and
then you'll have to live with the shame of having
flicked them off before that happened.

Speaker 22 (01:49:26):
I don't think this team can do.

Speaker 9 (01:49:30):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm looking at it here.
The Panthers have won their last twelve finals games. The
Panthers have won nine of their last ten games against
the Warriors. The Warriors have won three out of four
finals matches in Auckland. The Warriors have not beaten the
top eighteen since round fourteen, so definitely when you're looking
at things that the wars are up against it. But

(01:49:50):
that gives me just a flicker of hope.

Speaker 3 (01:49:52):
That's when they're at their beds face.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
Yeah, got to keep that face. Yeah it's burning strong
because it seems and but equally, my faith is so bad.
So when we scored a try on nine seconds, I
immediately said to my partent, we're going to lose you.
The faith is fuckle.

Speaker 20 (01:50:11):
Die.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
Hi, how are you very good? So you are all
blacks through and through? Are you dying?

Speaker 29 (01:50:19):
It's always been made, always been I listen to you
guys all the time. I just send send like random
taxes and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:50:26):
Yep, and we love that. Yeah, we love that.

Speaker 4 (01:50:29):
And so why are you going to go AB's over Warriors?
You think that's our national game?

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
Rugby union? Through and through we have been.

Speaker 17 (01:50:37):
New Zealand's like born and bread rugby union.

Speaker 29 (01:50:40):
Okay, the league game. It's like the nausey game. And
we had the Warriors like how many years? And man,
if we keep the fake, keep the faith, we've been there.
And if we don't get there, you know what I mean,
Like we fourth and then it's like it's like the
weather it's unpredictable. But with the abies, it's in our blood. Okay,
the abies is in our blood.

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
Mate, I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
You're great, Die, Thank you so much for your cool die. Yeah,
and all the best for the weekend.

Speaker 19 (01:51:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
Well, all right, So the final tally in terms of
counting the text and this is not that coret because
there's too many coming through. So it looks like and
the whole bunch have come through since they said this.
So the Warriors, if they've given a bit more runway
at the end, they probably would have taken the All Blacks.
But it's three nine to two text for the All
Blacks to Warriors three eight one.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
Close.

Speaker 21 (01:51:29):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
All right, Well, thank you so much for listening to
the show. Everyone. It's been a great week. It's been
awesome to share it with you. The full Matt and
Tyler pod will be out very soon if you've missed anything.
The powerful Heather Duplessy Allen is up next. But right now, Tyler,
why am I playing this particular song?

Speaker 15 (01:51:49):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
Fantastic, spooky, very spooky?

Speaker 1 (01:51:55):
What's he?

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
It's country House by Blur?

Speaker 3 (01:51:58):
Country House by Blur?

Speaker 4 (01:52:00):
Is that because we got that fantastic text about the
person that moved into the house screaming at three am
in the morning, and it turned out to be a
Spanish hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
That's right. And speaking of Texas and callers, who's our
caller of the week today?

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
We have Paul. We had a fantastic chat about reading
this week and we love this call from Paul.

Speaker 30 (01:52:20):
My son had a real problem with reading when he
was little, and tried to get him and reading. Finally
I ended up picking up the Harry Potter stories and
then he'd want to know what was going on, so
he would read on and then you come running out
of the lounge and tell me what had happened to.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
The gates may be that's awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:52:41):
He's twenty eight now.

Speaker 30 (01:52:43):
He did a computer science mathematics degree and he's in
Melbourne making a fortune.

Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
How good is that? Reads? Your kids? Read yourself? It's
good for you.

Speaker 5 (01:52:52):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
And go to the All Blacks, go to the warriors
wherever you are, and whatever you do across the weekend,
give him a taste of Kiwi from us. Anyway you've
seen Buzzy, love you. See you on Monday afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
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