Full Show Podcast: 19 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you great New Zealander, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Ful Show Podcast number two oh nine for the
nineteenth of September twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
We always try and remember the subject we didn't get to,
and I think that was whether you should tell a
woman that she looks beautiful or not.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
After Trump has said that.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
He thought Kate Middleton looked beautiful when he was wi
he was talking to us, so it was gonna be chatting. Sorry,
he didn't get to that. We've got lots of text
on it, but the the other topics absolutely blew the
coop up. So we Yeah, sometimes the show just gets
some momentum and you can't stop it.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
You know the old Jimmy Kimmel yep, whoo yep.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
It's like you're standing in front of a dam and
there's like bits of water blasting through on every angle
and you eventually get washed away by the texts.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
By writing a bucking bronco of course got to hold
on Ford life and make it through, and we definitely
did that.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, So to mix those two metaphors. That's why we
didn't get to that subject. But I think you'll enjoy
the show. So many great calls.

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Speaker 2 (01:21):
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This is our last show for a week or so.
We're on holidays, so until then, have a great time,
give a taste a Kiwi, some busy so let you
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Speaker 1 (01:33):
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Speaker 5 (01:41):
Talk said the afternoon to you, Welcome into Friday, end
of the week for many of us. Hope you're having
a great day with Eavy. You're listening in this beautiful
country of ours, Gida.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Matts, get A Tyler, good you Great New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
To thank for tuning into our show.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
We've got a great Friday afternoon of entertainment and deep
discussion for you. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine
two nine two is the text number looking forward to
talking to a bunch of you.

Speaker 5 (02:08):
Yep, it's going to be a great show. Now, just
before we get to what's on the show today. Remember
a couple of weeks ago, I put it out to
our beautiful listeners and our wise listeners about whether I
should hire a professional moving outfit because we're moving this weekend.
So I took all of that advice, and most people
were saying, don't be an idiot, just hire some professionals
and get it done. I didn't listen to any of
that advice. I've hired a little mini truck from Higher Race.

(02:31):
I pick it up tomorrow at eight thirty, and I'm
going to try and wing it. But I've got to say, mate,
you know, I thought, no, I can do it myself.
And it was a couple of hundred bucks, and that's
good value. And now I'm getting closer to go time,
I'm thinking of stuffed up here. Well, I have stuffed up.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Two points on this tyler. Firstly, don't use your back
like a crane.

Speaker 6 (02:48):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Can you take that back all right?

Speaker 5 (02:50):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (02:50):
You know, as a guy out my stretches, a guy
that said to have a spine fused as I have,
I'm very very careful about backs.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
So they're using your back like a crane, as precious
McKenzie said, good advice. Secondly, may if you're a wonderful partner.
She wanted to get their people in right, Yeah she
did so, by right, she doesn't have to help. She
doesn't have to help you because she said, hi someone. Yep,
So it's just you, right, it's just you doing it.

(03:20):
Have you got any mates that are willing to come
around the hell?

Speaker 5 (03:22):
Yeah, yep. We've got a few, but it seems like
they're going to be on cleaning duty at the old house.
So I think you're right. And this is where I've
stuffed up that I'm trying to work out, right, So
how am I going to drag the couch up? Because
it's a bit of a driveway and I've got to
take it around the back of the house because the
entrance way is too small.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
So what's the heaviest thing. You've got? A fridge?

Speaker 5 (03:42):
Yeah? Got a fridge.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Fridge is always a difficult one.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
Yeah, fridge is gonna I've got I actually had to
buy See, this is this is where I stuffed up.
It's costing way too much. I had to buy one
of those trolleys, so that was about eighty bucks, one
of those little mover trolleys. Yea, and you only use
that once, so I don't know what I'm going to
do with that.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
No, I don't know. Have you got room to store
it until you move again?

Speaker 6 (04:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Yeah, yeah, you're tooling up.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
I don't think there's any problem with that. And you know, when.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
This, this whole show, you know, gets canceled an off
here for something shocking, you say, then you might need
that trolley to become a furniture removal person. You never know,
but look, good luck. Can I just say to you now,
you know, I love you like a.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Brother, but I will not be coming help tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
No, No, you made that pretty clearcause I was about
to say, you know, what are you doing tomorrow about?
You made that pretty clear. Say, hey, look love you.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
I'll I'll be in well, let's be honest, I'll be
in Fiji.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
Yeah you're lucky. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. But I'll let
you know how it goes when we return. But anyway
to today's show, because it is a Friday after three
o'clock New Zealander of the week's massive potentials this week.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, hasn't been locked in yet, so nine two nine two,
who do you think has had an outsized effect on
our great and beautiful nation over the previous seven days.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
We'd love to hear from you.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
Also, we want to even chat about some controversy you're
over in the UK and regards to US President Donald
Trump's visit. It all worked out pretty well overall, seems
like a very successful trip. He met with King Charles
and Queen Cameller, a state banquet, and some good agreement
it's between the US and the UK. But one element
has created a few niggles in some quarters. This was

(05:13):
after he stepped out of the helicopter on day one
of the trip. He met Catherine, Princess a while shook
her hand and said, you are beautiful, so beautiful?

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Is that appropriate? People are getting angry because they say
it's an appropriate? Are they saying it's an appropriate because
it's Trump and they just hate Trump and anything he does.
They're looking for something or they think it's a general
thing inappropriate for a man to say to a woman
that she looks beautiful. She's not in front of me,
so I can say categorically objectively, Kate Middleton is a beautiful, beautiful,

(05:44):
beautiful person physically and spiritually.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
I would say yep.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
And I once slept in a bed that she's lept in,
did you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
I was staying at a place and then they told
me that the royal couple had stayed there a year before,
so that bed not the same sheets, but the same
bed I'd slept on. And he said, as a claim
to fame, I assume you's the same bathroom.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
Yeah, are right, you lucky man.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
But anyway, that's by the buye. But the question is,
let's take this wider. You know, who can you say
looks beautiful? If you run into a say you say
you're meeting up with friends and they go, hey, this
is my.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Partner. You haven't met them before. Can you say they
look beautiful? That is that appropriate?

Speaker 5 (06:30):
Interesting one? That one well in the workplace as well.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
What is the etiquette?

Speaker 5 (06:34):
Yes, what is the etiquette? Where're looking forward to your
thoughts on that after three o'clock, after two o'clock, where
you'll glance at expiry dates, at least most of us
do before eating or buying food. But do you really
know what those dates mean? And do you really care?
How far would you push the old expiry date for
your food?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Expiring dates are for the week best before, so pretty
good for a week after them a week yeah, sven days.
Just back yourself smell test and go for it. And
even if it smells bad. That's why spices were were
invented to cover up the bad smell. It's more disrespectful
to people that may not have enough for you to

(07:11):
throw out food. Then it is risky for you to
just push the limit. You should be trying to push
that to the very absolute limit. It should You should
see it as a mark of strength. How much after
something has passed its six Birri date that you eat it?

Speaker 5 (07:27):
Yeap, that is going to be a spicy chat after
two o'clock. But right now, let's have a chat about
cancel culture. So, Jimmy Kimmel, as we know, he's been
taken off the year in the United States immediately and indefinitely.
This is ABC who took them off the year, and
it has reignited a bit of a debate around whether
this is cancel culture. The network pulled the plug after
Kimmel's controversial comments on Charlie Kirk's shooting after pressure from affiliates,

(07:51):
sparking accusations of censorship and political retaliation from some quarters.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, absolutely, so cancel culture. It's largely been the well
in recent years, it's been seen as a move from
the left. If you look at Genakarna, who was fired
from The Mandalorian for a tweet jk Rowling, people have
been definitely trying to cancel her. She wasn't allowed on

(08:16):
a Harry Potter reunion SHOWEP because of things that she's said.
I was talking before about Ellen DeGeneres. She was canceled
for being slightly mean to people, and she was even
on the left. But people said, you can't be mean.
You can't, and that is I'm on the record to
say that is the weakest, weakest cancelation.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Of all time. Ellen de Generes, she was slightly rude
to staff.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
They turned on her fast, very fast.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
I mean she's financially phine.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
But now with the likes of Jimmy Kimmel as well
as lots of people who celebrated Charlie Kirk's death online
losing their jobs, is this now across the board thing
or as Kimmel being fired more of a financial thing.
I mean, he'd lost seventy two percent of his audience
and a key demographic. So if you are losing your

(09:03):
audience and losing the people that employ you money, and
then you become more of a problem. Then then you know,
you also become another level of problem to them. Isn't
that just what what happens? You know that the executives
just go, look, this guy as grand standing on the
show that's losing us money. And as people have pointed out,

(09:26):
the affiliates pulled out. So a bunch of people pulled out,
so we don't want to be involved it anymore. And
they're they're they're like, the show's just.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Not viable anymore. I've only suspended and he might be back.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
But you know, companies have the right, don't they to to?

Speaker 4 (09:41):
How would I put this?

Speaker 2 (09:44):
There is also the issue of companies, not one who
lose millions of dollars and have to lay off people
because their workers choose to grandstand or isshoes that alienate
alienate customers. If you become increasingly unpopular with the audience,
it's hard to keep broadcasting in your job, and so
the ultimately goes up to Disney go, well, we don't
want to lose any more money on this, so so mate,

(10:07):
you're gone.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
You became a lot liability for the company.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
You don't have the rights to say whatever you want.
You do have the right to say whatever you want
without going to prison. That's freedom of speech. Yeah, but
you may not have the rights to say whatever you
want when it does damage for the company that you
work for. I mean, that's the other side of it,
isn't it. But I'd be interested to hear what people think.
And of course, Jimmy Kimmel if you don't know, Jimmy
Kimmel lives at one of the late night shows like
led him and was back in the day like Jay Leno.

(10:33):
He's one of the late night guys well in a
genre that has become increasingly irrelevant.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah, because people don't.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Care much about celebrity interviews anymore because celebrities are all
over social media.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
So it's losing its juice anyway.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
Yeah, I mean, no doubt about it. He lost what
was it, forty five percent? I'm just looking at the
figures here and these are facts. Forty five percent decline
and rating since January. And that's not just in relation
to Jimmy. I mean, Jimmy had a big drop, but
that is across the board, and those late night TV
shows that are primarily do have a left bind right?

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, massively. And Stephen Colbert his show was losing forty
million dollars a year. People said it was canceled culture
that he went, But how long can a company lose
forty billion dollars.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
A year on a show?

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Seventy you said forty five seventy two percent in the
key demographic that they're trying to.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
Hit right the money spenders.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
So if you've lost that, how strong is your position
within the company. But anyway, you make up your mind?

Speaker 7 (11:25):
Do you do you?

Speaker 4 (11:25):
What do you think about? This is?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
This is Jimmy Kimball's monologue after the death of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 8 (11:34):
We hit some new lows over the weekend with the
Maggie Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered
Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and
do everything they can to score political points from and
in between the finger pointing, there was grieving. On Friday,
the White House flew the flags at half staff, which
got some criticism, but on a human level, you can

(11:55):
see how hard the President is taking this back Indulge is.

Speaker 9 (11:58):
Down a lot of your friend Charlie Kirk may sir, personally,
how are you holding up for the last day and
a half, sir?

Speaker 1 (12:04):
I think very good.

Speaker 9 (12:05):
And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks.
They've just started construction of the new borrel for the
White House, which is something they've been trying together, as
you know, for about one hundred and fifty years, and
it's going to be a beauty.

Speaker 8 (12:20):
He's at the fourth stage of grief, construction.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
Demolition.

Speaker 8 (12:26):
He starts, Is it not how an adult grief's the
murder of somebody called a friend? This is how a
four year old mourns a goldfish.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
So pretty nasty comments you've got to say to question
because Donald Trump and Charlie Cook were very close, very
very close. So questioning how someone mourns a friend being
shot to death, it's not in the best possible taste,
is it. Also, you know, attributing motives to a shooter

(13:01):
that clearly he didn't know that. So he's essentially making
that up, saying that people are wrong to say with
his motives, and he was proved wrong later on.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
But I don't know is that enough to get fired?

Speaker 2 (13:13):
I personally think that those words aren't enough to get fired.
So if he's getting fired, if he's getting canceled, it's
got to be a financial decision, right because I absolutely
support anyone to say whatever offensive stuff they they want
to wherever they are. But you know your boss h
not like that because your drivers really, let's be honest

(13:34):
to make you the people that employ you money.

Speaker 5 (13:36):
Yeah, it's an interesting one and we'd love to hear
your thoughts on Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty nine two ninety two is the text number. It
is eighteen past one. Let's get into it, the.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 9 (13:54):
It'd be.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
Afternoon. It is twenty one past one and we're talking
about cancel culture. Is it cancel culture? What has happened
to Jimmy Kimmel?

Speaker 2 (14:03):
This is from a Tim Rocksborough. Well, cancel culture is
nothing new. What was my Karthyism? It was a moral
panic that everyone was rejected conservative politics. Was a communist.
Charlie Chaplin had years of attempts of being canceled because
he was considered a threat to conservative politics. Fast forward
to Fox News and Co trying to cancel the Dixie
Chicks when they criticize Bush. Then there's Colin Kaepernick and

(14:26):
Fox Co trying to cancel him for his peaceful protest
while he was also a useless He was actually not
very good at the game as well. But you know,
I'm not sure if Tim Rocksbury's an NFL fan like
I am. Actually I got to check my fantasy team.
I've got a few injuries. Anyway, it doesn't matter. As
for now, Trump is trying to cancel everyone from Kimmel
and Colbert to Springsteen and beyond. Say but this text,

(14:48):
Graham says, there's a difference between cancel culture and consequence culture.
When the snowflakes at Messi University used the thugs veto
to stop Don Brash speaking, that is canceled culture. Someone
canceling you because they don't like what you say. Consquence
culture is what happened to Kimmel. People have been turning
off his woke, unfunny shtick for a long time. This
week he paid the ultimate price. People don't watch anymore,
so the show I got eighty six.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
Bruce your thoughts.

Speaker 7 (15:12):
Mate, You guys love your work mate, so thank you.

Speaker 10 (15:17):
Look, I think I agree. You've got two arguments here.
You've got cancel culture and you've got the Jimmy Kimmel thing,
which I believe was the letter that you just said. There. Mate,
he's got done because he's not fun anymore than nobody
likes him, so he's losing the ratings. And most occupations
are performance based. If you can't do the job, you

(15:38):
shouldn't keep it. So but as for cancel culture, I mean,
I'm a free speecher from wayback, mate. We need to
stop the body snowflakes from you know not. My mother
said to me years ago, sticks and stones, will you
break your bones? But yeah, you just got to had

(16:00):
another bit, you know.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
I mean, there's a ticks you're saying, I'm a Trump
fan and I found that monologue funny, and you know,
and it's I if you go back to the free
speech thing, some people were getting angry with South Park
for their joking around Charlie Kirk because all this things
circulates around the Charlie Kirk thing. But Charlie Kirk found it.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Funny, so you can be really.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
I just I don't I think people should be able
to say whatever they want, absolutely and without legal consequences
whatever within within the the within with the things we know,
but but slander and such, but.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
There is.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
You know, if you're losing your company money, then then
should they just be forced to stick with you forever
because you have a right to say whatever you want
on the platform. Well, you're getting paid millions of millions
of dollars and they're losing millions of millions of dollars.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (16:53):
Exactly. I think there's half the problem now is the
fact that you're not only ab to can't that The
old story is because you're not. You can't get rid
of somebody in their days because they're useless of their jobs.
So people came up with more and more excusers rid
of them when they should be able to say, hey mate,
if you drive a taxi and you're praying three of
the bosses cars, then you're not very good texti driver,

(17:17):
so you should be gone mate. But they might hurt
someone's feelings, so then you're probably end up with a
PG against you and has to pay them thousands because
you've hurt their feelings.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
It's all bullshit for me, Bruce, for Yeah, yeah, Nope,
fair enough and a lot of people agree with you.
Thanks very much for giving us a buzz. Have a
nice weekkend can to hear your views as well. At
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty do you think
the sacking of Jimmy Kimmel is cancel culture or was
he just losing too much money for the company ABC?
It is twenty five past one.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, trying to find about how much he was getting paid.
I can see he had one point seventy seven million viewers.
When you consider one News in New Zealand has six
hundred and fifty thousand viewers, I'm sure no one was
getting paid.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
With jimmykim was gettingaid.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
It's not good.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
You got to say he was on a shaky ground.
The headlines and the hard questions.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 11 (18:06):
It's hard to hide from the number that bad, doesn't it?
P zero point nine is not zero point three of
the calls were already up for the Finance minister's quit,
Sir John, keep back with us.

Speaker 12 (18:13):
I think what you've seen over the last eighteen months
as a government that has been working hard.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
To get the economy.

Speaker 12 (18:19):
Straightened up after a miss it and hears it, but
it hasn't had a mate in the Reserve Bank.

Speaker 11 (18:23):
Nicola Willison's of course, the Finance minister. Could we be
heading for a recession?

Speaker 4 (18:27):
In the first three months of this year.

Speaker 12 (18:29):
We grew at zero point ninety cent, twice as fast
as economists were forecasting.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
So we shouldn't overreact to a bad quarter.

Speaker 10 (18:36):
We've got to keep playing the full game.

Speaker 11 (18:38):
Back Monday from six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Rain Drover News Talk z B.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
Very good afternoon to you. So we're talking about Jimmy Kimmel,
the sacking of Wow, the indefinite suspension of Jimmy Kimmel,
whether that's canceled culture or just a nature of ratings decline. Oh,
one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
I'm American.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Grew up with my mom watching Johnny Carson's Tonight's show
every night after the eleven PM news.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
Later at UNI.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
I was fortunate to be an in turn on that
very show, Wow, meaning so many celebrities I have watched
night TV ever since. In this move to Kimmel and
Colbert is such an assault on our American right to
free speech. Trump is the biggest embarrassment to a country
I used to love and be proud of. I'm thankful
I live in at tierro says.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
Elizabeth, thank you very much for that text.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
It's interesting, though, because Johnny Carson has you know, you
can watch those videos of Johnny Carson saying why he
didn't use any politics at all in his comedy. There
was people trying to make him do it, and Johnny
Carson would say quite clearly that you alienate half the
audience when.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
You do it, and he didn't. He didn't think his job.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
As a late night host was to be political. But
Stephen Colbert never had any Republican guests on, any Democrats on,
And you're to say, Jimmy Kimmel, there's no doubt which
way he he.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
Lent rue anyway.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah, Jason, what do you reckon?

Speaker 13 (19:56):
Hey, guys, there's the going very good. I just I
was going to say my own point, but I'm just
talking about what rocksborgh said sort of his argument I
thought was a little bit of a straw man type argument,
bringing up that this cancel culture. You know, it was
initially done with the Conservatives about twenty years ago with
the Dixie Chicks. Well, yes, that did happen, but then

(20:21):
they were still able to tour, and they still made millions,
and they weren't silenced. But the cancel culture that was
around in the twenty ten's era, when it sort of
all started, you know, I guess bringing up old tweets
and old posts of people that would then make them
either lose their jobs or get backlisted from Hollywood and
that sort of thing, that was completely different. But I

(20:43):
guess my argument is with Jimmy Kimmel. I remember watching
it when it first was posted, I think by Jimmy's
account or something like that, but the joke was pretty
ill tasted, you know, and I don't even think it
was a week after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, and with
this cancel culture thing like that American was talking about that.

(21:09):
You know, Trump is you know, denying free speech and
getting people fired. This has nothing to do with Trump.
This is companies firing people after discovering what they've said
about Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 14 (21:20):
You know.

Speaker 13 (21:20):
It's almost like society or the workers and bosses have
decided that it wasn't appropriate what the employee said and
and you know, fired them or or suspended them or whatever.
So it's completely different.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, I mean, the saying that that is floating around
at the moment is you have freedom of speech, not
freedom of consequence. So the government isn't arresting you, but
you know, your employee might be, specially if you work
in a government department or you you know, you work
in a customer facing job and it's clear that you

(21:56):
have these views that are so repulsive to half the country,
then then your your business might go. I don't know,
this isn't great for my bottom line, and so maybe
that's your consequence, but it still means that you you
can go somewhere else, and you can get a job
somewhere else. But my thing with this whole it's kind
of better though, don't you agree, Jason?

Speaker 4 (22:16):
If say, you found what.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Jimmy Kimmel said was cruel and untrue, and you know,
mocking someone's grief isn't very tasteful, but to just point
that out and and let him continue, it's kind of
more powerful, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
I mean, I'm not talking about the company, I'm talking
about the people that are outraged. So if you're if you,
if you a free speech absolutist, you go he said this,
he's disgusting, but not actually push to have him fired,
just push for people to see what he said and
put your counter argument to it.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
Did you kind of see what I'm.

Speaker 13 (22:53):
Saying, Jason, Yeah, I see, I see evacuated saying. I
think I think maybe when I first graduated high school
and you and you and you did say that, I'll
probably say yes, and I honestly fully agree with you
in the terms have been an advocate for free beach.
Maybe what's happened as I've grown older, I've become a
little bit more bitter with you know, people being fired

(23:14):
over ridiculous things, and people and normal jobs just being fired.
You know, someone who's I don't know, working at an
office job, you know, being fired over a tweet that
they've done or something that they've said that wasn't appropriate
in the workspace.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
You know, and they got fired.

Speaker 13 (23:31):
So is it fear that he would be able to
continue for what he said and potentially potentially no, you know,
maybe he should have. Maybe I think, yeah, he probably
should have kept working. But if we're true for a
double standard like Trump getting taken off Twitter, for example,
I think that was around what before Elon had brought it.
He was taken off Twitter completely, he was silent, and

(23:52):
people celebrated that.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
Yeah, but what happens to me, what happens in this
situation To pick up on your point as well man
in Jason ken on your view is that Jimmy gets suspended.
He might not ever come back, but he's still got
support on the left, so he might pick up something online,
start his own show. He's still got their base support.
But this idea of division that is getting worse around
the world continues to get to continues to widen. So

(24:17):
by having voices we disagree with on mainstream places that
tend to appeal to most people, try and hold that
middle ground I think is a good thing. Even if
you find that to stay ful you disagree with them,
to push these voices back into their corners, I don't
think that is good for you know, wider debates around
free speech and free expression and debate, fair debate.

Speaker 13 (24:41):
Yeah, I fully agree. I think it should be an
open point to debate. And that's what you know Charlie
Cook was trying to do. He's trying to talk to
people and probably platform people who would never be able
to be heard by anyone and certainly someone around the
world can listen to a point that a university student
is talking about. So I think the day that Charlie
Cook was assassinate was a pretty dark day for everyone

(25:02):
because now free speech was under threat. You know, you
might get shot for something you just want to say,
and applauding someone being assassinated, that's when I thought, That's
when I thought it was a bit of ill taste
from my point of view.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well, thank you so much for you call, Jason, and
not wanting to silence you, but we've got heads coming
in that we have to have to play.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
Yeah, they pay our salary and that's important for up
for me anyway. But thank you so much for your
call and your opinion. Really appreciate your great call. Our
headline's coming up. It is twenty five to two.

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Speaker 5 (26:33):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we are talking about
Jimmy Kimmel being suspended over in America. Some are calling
it cancel culture. Is that true? Love you your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
So the six is I think it's a little naive
for you to say statements that you support the right
for anyone to say whatever they like when wherever they are.
Perhaps you're a here to expand on that. I think
I did sort of maybe mumbled it off. But you know,
you know, direct incitement to violence or crime, no, you know,
libel and slander yep, no threats, harassment, you know, and

(27:04):
if you if your free speech breaks laws, you know,
obviously disgusting things like you know, forms of pornography that
banned all that kind of stuff, you know, and then
there's court related restriction. So yeah, I think anyone would
know what I meant, you know, and we know we
know that there's there We know that Jimmy Kimmel didn't

(27:25):
go past those things.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
Yeah, and those things you mentioned, I think in New
Zealand anyway, there's some pretty strong legislation that addresses those
exact things.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
It's not cancel culture, it's consequences culture. Free speech comes
with consequences. And the left cheering someone's death discussed me
who wants to employ a psycho who celebrates someone's death?
The b Kime Brigade are getting exposed for who they really.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Are, And this one says, I think thin skinned Republicans
need to stop being so soft.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
It's so firing people up. I love it.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
The texts of flying through on nine two nine two,
but taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you can't get through, keep trying.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
Yeah, full boards at the moment, but keep trying. Coming up,
we are going to have a chat to Nathan Sioulei.
He is involved in Pillar and the Free Speech New
Zealand Unions, so really interested to see what he's got
to say about this whole thing that is coming up.
It's twenty to two.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you is your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
Sa'd be afternoon to you. It is seventeen to two.
So we've been talking about cancel culture in the life
of Jimmy Kimmel bean suspended. Is that cancel culture or
just the nature of declining ratings. On the line right
now is Nathan siule He is with PILLAR that is
protecting individual life, liberty and rights. It's associated with the
Free Speech Union and he joins us now Nathan, good afternoon.

Speaker 16 (28:46):
Good afternoon, gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Now, Nathan, you obviously support free speech, but what are
the parameters, I mean, what are the parameters of free speech?
What should people be allowed to say and not say?
In your opinion?

Speaker 16 (28:57):
Nathan, Yeah, that's a really good question. Ultimately, there is
a very high threshold, especially here in New Zealand, where
incitement to violence is effectively the limitation. Now it's violence
is a very clear definition, and the law has to
be imminent, possible and prescriptive. But speech should be defined
and determined in terms of what is good, bad, right,

(29:18):
wrong by the marketplace of ideas and not regulators and
affiliates who can pick our speech and what's on our earways.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Okay, So.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I mean this is slightly this is probably a slightly
complex gray area question. But what do you find define
as cancelation? And is cancelation an attack on free speech?

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Absolutely?

Speaker 16 (29:43):
I think the response to speech you don't like isn't
to cancel it. It should be to challenge. It should
be to have a broader, more in depth conversation where
it's public and visible and people can participate. When we
force these people back into their corners, I think it
was you saying that just earlier, Tyler, they don't stop
holding these views. In fact, they actually grow more sort

(30:05):
of into these views, and they build a following and
it can become a lot more. Then if we have
an outright open conversation celebrating debate and hosting debate because
disagreement is actually part of free speech. Cancelation is only
going to do detrimental things to an open society and
a free society that they're honors speech.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
What about the rights of a corporation when they're losing
money over what one of their employees is saying and
they get rid of that employee or silence them. Where
does that sit in their discussion of free speech.

Speaker 16 (30:36):
Well, that's an entirely different category, right. Obviously, when you
work for someone, you're under their employee and you are
subjects to a degree to their will in their way. However,
being pressured publicly and externally by cancel culture and culture
warriors and then bowing to that does not set it
a good president for anybody in any employment anywhere. So

(30:59):
we need to be really really careful about is this
a speech issue or is this purely a performance issue
and make sure that that is what is being presented.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
When it comes to cancel culture. Is it fear to
say it comes from both sides of political ideology, and
is there just that inherent nature of almost a revenge
element when it comes to tribes or groups jumping on
particular people who they don't like what Love said.

Speaker 16 (31:25):
Yeah, I would say.

Speaker 9 (31:26):
So.

Speaker 16 (31:27):
What I've observed over the last few years of being
a free speech advocate and defender is that people will
often be principal lists and issue based defenders, and it
comes from both sides. Is so right, But using the
same tactics and the same tools of those people that
you disagree with to try and inflict the same undemocratic
and punishment that is undue in a civil society, it

(31:49):
never works out for anyone because you, just like I said,
you further entrenched the other side. And this when the
pendulum swings, which it always does, it comes back ten
times more toxic.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
So there's sort of another aspect of this, especially in
the case we're talking about, what about indirect restrictions on
free speech, Like when powerful people push and call for
you to lose your job, may not direct the law
against you as such, but still create a climate due
to their power and their influence where your rights are restricted.

Speaker 16 (32:18):
Well, you're right, and that's probably what we need to
step back and look at. This isn't just about Jimmy
kimol suppression. This is about who gets to decide what
is and isn't allowed. Is it the marketplace of ideas
or is it people in power, people in positions who
have the ability to pressure, whether it be through financial
manipulation or just through exercising the influence this it's a
really dangerous precedent and a chilling effect for any host

(32:38):
or journalist in any industry in the media. And if
we have a media that is beholden to investors and
to political sort of ideology, we don't have a free media.
We've lost the power of the media to hold power
to account because now power dictates what that media can
and can't say through force.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, and so as this is probably a truism, but
is the real test of how much you believe in
free speech, how much you support it when it is
a free speech that yeah, so, how am I saying this?
The real test for spe free speech is basically, when
it's against you, you support it, and when it's for

(33:15):
you, you support it. If you see what I'm saying, you
know and exactly no, you go sorry.

Speaker 16 (33:20):
I would say free speech only matters when it protects
speech you don't like. Yeah, yeah, It's not about what
you're willing to endorse, It's about what you're willing to
allow other people to do within the legitimacy of their
own freedom. If we all just cancel, cancel, cancel, what
actually ends up happening is there's no opportunity to progress
things like information, understanding, knowledge. We need a society that

(33:43):
can handle disagreement and debate. You don't have to agree
with what someone says, but you have to be willing
to challenge them openly and at least express your ideas.
You can't just call them a horrible person, spit on them,
and walk away. Make your case, let the marketplace of
ideas decide who is right, and at the end of
the day you can agree to disagree, or you might
have learned something, or you might have convinced someone to
join your side.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
Really interesting discussion, Nathan, Thank you so much for joining us.
Really great to chat. We'll get you on another time.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Cool. Thanks so much, guys.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
It's it's interesting one because this one sits in the
gray area with Jimmy Kimmel, because I don't think he.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Deserves loser his job for what he said.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
I totally believe people should say offensive things. I think
what he said was cruel, and but sometimes comedy is cruel.
I totally support that. I've said terrible things in my time,
But equally I support the right of a company to
not keep losing money because their host that they're paying
sixteen million dollars a year keeps grandstanding and has lost.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Seventy two percent of his audience.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, and they don't want to lose more money on it.
So it's not a charity. You're right, Like all these issues,
it's it's such such a complicated one and.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
That's why we love it and keen to get your views.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.
Call nineteen ninet two is a text number. It's eleven
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Speaker 1 (34:51):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh eight
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Speaker 5 (34:58):
News DOGSB, News DOGSB. It is eight to two. We're
talking about Jimmy Kimmel, whether that's canceled culture or a
natural consequence of declining ratings and in a appropriate comments.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Guys, what come Ol clearly said was that Charlie Kirk
was a Republican, that Charlie Kirk was killed by a Republican,
killed by his own it's false. That was why he
lost his job. He was canceled. He wasn't canceled. He
was taken off air as he was inciting violence. Paul, Yeah,
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
Sure about that.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
I think it's classically sits in a very strange gray area.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
Yeah, but to me that was the more egregious. I
think that in my view that the joke about Trump,
as you say, distasteful, but he might have got away
with that. It was that statement there which he ushered
as fact, which is categorically untrue, And think is where
the trouble was.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
And I think the pushback against him is that at
that point he either knew it wasn't true or didn't
have the information to say that was true. Yeah, but
should he be taken off ear for that or should
you just use that an example and put up and
put your argument against it and say, look, look this
is what the kind of person this is. This isn't

(36:10):
a nice person, this isn't a fair person, this isn't
a truthful person.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
And fight back that way.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Having said that, it's there is an argument that he
hasn't actually been canceled in that regard. It's a financial
decision from the companies.

Speaker 5 (36:24):
Yeah, yeah, Keith, what's your thoughts on this? Hey, Keith,
Keith A you're there, Keith, yay, Keith Hello, yea.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
He is worried you'd be silenced, Keith.

Speaker 17 (36:37):
Yeah, be canceled. I liked that previous text when it
talked about a thin skinned Republican, so I hope I'm
not one of those. But I went over to the
Unite the Kingdom rally over in London. I pacifically went.
I went last Friday and flew pack on the Monday,
so it was a real whirlwind too about free speech.

(36:59):
And just as I was packing my bags to go,
I got the news that Charlie had died, so that
made for an interesting trip.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Yeah, I bet.

Speaker 8 (37:09):
So.

Speaker 17 (37:09):
My thoughts are about the cancel culture. I think it's
true that he broke his contract, and they probably used
it because he was losing ratings. But you guys signed
a contract and if you break it, well you know
you're not allowed to tell lies. I looked up the
FCC rules and the contract that Kimball signed, and you're

(37:30):
not allowed to knowingly lie about a fact of news.
And I think that's probably why he lost his job,
not just canceled but consequence.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
So yeah, I.

Speaker 17 (37:40):
Agree with that.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
So if we see what he actually said, so he
you know, I should actually bring it up exactly what
he said, because this is the problem with these kind
of things.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
That you know, it comes down to just intention and words.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
So what he said was that Mega are trying the
Mega crowd or the Mega Gang are trying to.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
I need to bring it up. I headed up in
my screen before. Have you got it?

Speaker 7 (38:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (38:10):
I got the quote here. So we've hit some new
loads over the weekend with the Mega Gang desperately trying
to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk is anything
other than one of them doing everything they can to
score political points from it.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
So you know what he's insinuating there that he definitely was,
but he's not precisely saying that. So I can imagine
if this came down to a court around his contract whatever,
you could argue that he's having an opinion, but he's
not exactly explicitly saying that the shooter was a member

(38:42):
of a Mega supporter. You see what I'm saying, it's
I think it's I can see that the waters he's
swimming in, it's clear what he's trying to say, but
it's quite carefully wordedly.

Speaker 17 (38:52):
Yes, yes, I think it is. But they gave him
a clear choice to issue an of apology, so he's
effectively doubled down on what he was saying. I mean, yeah,
so yeah, I think I think he breaked the contract.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call, Keith. We're
going to should we keep this going. We've got so
many calls coming through and text the stuff, so let's
keep it going.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
After to full boards. If you can't get through, keep trying.
Oh A one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to care. What do you think is this cancel culture,
Jimmy Kimmel's suspension, or just a natural consequence of declining ratings.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Talking with you all afternoon, It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 5 (39:34):
It'd be very good afternoon to here. Welcome back into
the show. It's seven pass TI and we have been
talking about Jimmy Kimmel's sudden suspension from ABC. It has
reignited the debate around cancel culture, whether this is canceled
culture or whether it's just the natural consequence of declining ratings.
So if you haven't heard it, this is the monologue
that set all these events in motion.

Speaker 8 (39:56):
We get some new lows over the weekend, with the
Maga Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered
Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and
everything they can to score a political play from it.
In between the finger pointing, there was grieving. On Friday,
the White House flew the flags at half staff, which
got some criticism, But on a human level, you can

(40:18):
see how hard the President is taking this that adults
is out a lot of your.

Speaker 12 (40:22):
Friend, Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 9 (40:23):
Sir personally, how are you holding up for the last
day and a half, sirved.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
I think very good.

Speaker 9 (40:28):
And by the way, right there you see all the trucks.
They've just started construction of the new ballroom for the
White House, which is something they've been trying to get,
as you know, for about one hundred and fifty years,
and it's going to be a beauty.

Speaker 8 (40:41):
Yes, he's at the fourth stage of grief construction, a demolition.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
Construction.

Speaker 8 (40:51):
This is not how an adult griefs the murder of
somebody called a friend. This is how a four year
old mourns a goldfish.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Wow, I mean, what a nasty thing to say. This
isn't har an adult grieves. Who gets to tell someone
how they grieve?

Speaker 4 (41:06):
I mean absolutely they can.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Free speech, you say, but doesn't say a lot about
a person that would say that. Donald Trump and Charlie Kirk,
whatever you think of either of them, were very close friends.
So it's like, in terms of a joke, it's pretty distasteful.
But is it worthy of losing your job?

Speaker 5 (41:26):
Yeah? Well, just why I listen to that when you
put the show on the other foot. Can you imagine
any TV host doing the same to Obama or Biden
for that matter, that if there was a member of
the Democratic Party or associated with them and they'd been
assassinated and killed and murdered, that anybody on TV would
make a joke about the grief of Obama robot.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, but I guess the thing is, you know, you
don't want to end up with what about is them?
If you believe in something like a principle of free speech,
then it gets tested when someone says something that you
don't like, and if someone says something horrible and it's
still within the parameters of the law, that we've pointed
out the things that you can't say, and I would
say that this sits within that category. I think there's

(42:11):
nothing illegal about what he said.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
It's just quite horrible what he said.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Then you kind of got to support it. But the
other side of it, as what we keep saying, is
that a company has the right to not lose money
constantly because their host is grandstanding in a way that
loses them an audience. There was a rating where he
was down point to one point one million viewers across America,
Jimmy Kimmel, and he's getting paid sixteen million dollars a year.

(42:39):
And if you put this in context, One News in
New Zealand has six hundred and sixty thousand viewers. Sometimes
I I'm just picking that number, so over half what
Jimmy Kimmel had. I'm pretty sure Simon Dello isn't getting
paid eight million dollars a year.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
Yeah, I think I can confirm that.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
So a company has a right to not continually lose money.
And there seems a higher than zero chance that ABC
and Disney, who were above them, just looked at this
and went actually had enough. The affiliates are pulling out.
We just can't keep hemorrhaging money on this guy, and
it becomes less of a free speech issue and a

(43:18):
right for a company to choose who they employ in
the pursuit of making profits.

Speaker 5 (43:22):
Yeah, and that's why they call it cut throat in
their business, because that's exactly what it is. If they're
losing money, you go no matter what you say. Oh,
one hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call,
love to hear your thoughts on it.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
Though.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Hey, guys, kim will screw it up on ABC and
his employer rightly sacked. And the employer only values the
audience advert ratings. The jocks come and go and make
some money whilst in their window of popularity. Some for
any populist role nobody will remember come in a few weeks.
So lots of texts coming through, including this one. My
sister just took her dogs to the dog groom. It's

(43:52):
nice and I think that's a key issue as well.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
That is a key issue. I'm really glad.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Maybe not meant for us, Yeah, but we're open to
any text you absolutely want to stand through. It isn't
the most you know, Jimmy Kimmel does run a pretty
harsh form of humor. So back in the COVID days,
for example, this is this is from a monologue back

(44:18):
in the depth of COVID.

Speaker 8 (44:20):
Hospitals get any more of a crowded they're going to
have to make some very tough choices about who gets
an ACU back. And that choice doesn't seem so tough
to me. Vaccinated person having a heart attack, Yes, come
right on and we'll take care of you. Unvaccinated guy
who gobbled horse goou rest in peace, wheezy.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
You're that's.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, full on, So rest in peace, wheezy because you
took a different type of medicine and didn't take the vaccine.
That's that seems nastier than what he said about Trump's grieving.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
Yeah, that is very full on. But be to your point.
I mean, the whole idea of a show like Jimmy
Kimmel's is to get the biggest adien audience possible, of course,
on both sides of it. And when you get a
guy like that, and clearly he pushes the envelope, and
in certain circles of comedy, absolutely that's what you should do.
But on late like TV, where you're trying to attract
the most people possible. ABC will be looking at that

(45:14):
clip and also what he did over the the Charlie
Kirk comments and saying not worth it, well worth it.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
With Stephen Colbert, who's not been canceled, but they're not
re you know, not renewing his contract. Right, he only
ever had Democrats on his show, and Jimmy kim Maloney
seems to joke politically in one way, which essentially means
you're going to lose a lot of your audience. But
this Texter says, boys do try to give your listeners
the full story and correct details. Kimmel's first reaction to

(45:41):
the estination assassination was to condemn it and express his
condolences to the family. The government was involved. The director
of the FCC threatened to nix the deal if they
didn't cancel. Kimmel he didn't mock Trump's grief. He mocked
the total lack of grief. No, he mocked Trump's grief
the other two short whatever, but that three he mocked.
He said, that is not how an adult griefs, That's

(46:03):
how a four year old griefs. If that's not mocking
someone's grief, then then you are I don't know what
is kill meat on Fox News advocating killing all homeless
didn't get fired.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
That's from Steve. Thank you for your.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
Points, Steve, Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 6 (46:16):
Right.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It's fourteen pass two back in a moment, Wow.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
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Speaker 4 (46:30):
Talk sa'd be.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
Sixteen past two. So was the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel
cancel culture or just a network of corporation protecting its
financial interests. What do you say?

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Stan, Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this hot topic.
The lines are running hot, this text flying in the door,
and scared my computer's going to explode with how many
texts are coming in.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
What it's your take, Stan?

Speaker 18 (46:52):
Yeah, Well, I think Jimmy Kimmel was deliberately deceptive and
intact lide. He would have known that all the evidence
regarding the Robinson the shrewder Tyler Riberdson wasn't pointed to
the pointed to the fact that he was definitely a

(47:16):
progressive liberal, if you want to call it that. He
was no way he was maga. So Kimerill basically left
the network open to lawsuit for deliberately smearing a class
of people by his through his line. But as far
as the whole canceled culture debate that's going on, I

(47:39):
sort of see there's a lot of apples and oranges.
I mean, Gina Carino, who was on the Mendalorian, she
got basically canceled because she came out and supported Trump.
Now we've got people who are getting canceled now today
who is saying good job shooter. Who are you know, rejoicing,

(48:01):
celebrating gleefully about the assassination of a free speech advocate
and their employer is are getting backlash and their employers
are saying, well, this is not what we stand for. Sorry,
go find a job elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
It's interesting with the Gena situation because this ultimately is
the same company, Disney, and you know, we don't know
what the number is, but she sued sued Disney after
being fired from The Meda Laurian and then she took
there's now a court sentiment, so it's it's it's interesting
that that they I mean, this is maybe why they're

(48:38):
suspending him and not firing him, if you know what
I mean. I think they're a company that's just lost
a lot of money on what they did to Gina,
which I think people looking back now would say was
entirely unfair.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
And that as well, Yeah, one.

Speaker 18 (48:51):
Hundred percent, that was unfair. But I like I say,
it's apples and oranges. I mean, she never celebrated somebody's death.
She had a political opinion, a free speech opinion that Okay,
you don't like the party's supports, but that's that's quite
different from celebrating somebody's assess and they because you don't like.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Making sure and if you've said this, but I'm just
because a bunch of texts are coming through, you're not
saying that Jimmy Kimmel celebrated that Charlie Kirk's you're talking
about the other people online that that that have done
it and have lost their jobs, which has a different
issue yet.

Speaker 18 (49:24):
Yeah, Kings of culture in general, as we're seeing it
right now, the backlash against people who's celebrating the assassination
of a free speech advocate, a father, a husband, to me,
it's pretty despicable. Also, I've seen so many lives told
about online it's just it's really sad that the state
of society that we're living in.

Speaker 5 (49:45):
But just on the genus situation, and I agree that,
and it turned out for the company it was the
wrong move because they had such a backlash. But isn't
it similar that the company, the overall corporation might have
looked at that and feared for the viewership of the
Mandalorian and said, we've got so many people who are
on the liberal side of ideology who watch our show,

(50:06):
and they were worried that that was on a drop off,
so they made the call to exit. Turned out that backfire.
But I can have some sympathy for that argument from
that corporation.

Speaker 18 (50:16):
Well, I don't know, I don't know if that would
be statistically proven. See, I mean my biggest gripe with
what Jimmy Kimmel said, I mean what he what he
said about, you know, his making making fun of Trump.
You know, I I think it was I mean, it's
a little bit bad taste, But I have no problem
with that per se. You know, Okay, he pokes, he
pokes some fun out is his deliberate attempt at deception

(50:40):
and trying to deceive this audiot into this is Mega.
It's just Mega again. They're doing it. You know, Mega
is responsible for the shooting.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
So I'll just read out exactly what he said.

Speaker 7 (50:51):
Stan.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
This is what Jimmy Kimmel said. We had some new
lows over the weekend with the Mega Gang desperately trying
to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything
other than one of them, and with everything they can
to score political points from it, which is which is
the hypocrisy, And that is is clear because he's trying
to score points off it, but he's he's definitely walking

(51:14):
a line where it's hard to actually pin him down
on it. We had some eulows of the weekend with
the Mega Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who
murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them.

Speaker 18 (51:24):
And that's not opinion, though, is it. He's that's a statement.
He said that as a statement of fact. So that's
that's not well it seems to me or anything like that.
It wasn't prefaced with anything that could be construed as opinion.
He said that is a statement of fact, and that's
that's that is where I think he's he stepped right

(51:45):
over that line.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Yeah, but do you think, let's just say, if let's
take out of it the fact that that he's ratings
have dropped seventy two percent in the key demographic, and
he's hemorrhaging the money getting paid six million dollars sixteen
million dollars a year, and isn't making that money back,
losing the money, and that maybe this is going to

(52:07):
lose them even more money if we took that out
of it, would you support us right to say that
as just a citizen, as a as a person on
his own, would you support the right for him to say.

Speaker 18 (52:19):
A private conversation. He can, he can say whatever he likes,
but he didn't say it as in a private conversation.
He said it to an audience of what a million
plus people. I mean, it's like Donald Trump has won
a few lawsuits because people have basically said things that
have been patently untrue, and he's one. I think he's
this last latest one. I think it might be against
New York Times. He's asking he's going to suit them

(52:41):
for a billion dollars. I mean, so careful what you say,
because it's not going to just cost you your job.
It could cost your employer a very large sum of money.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Yeah, And now, I mean that's that's the question we're
asking stand And I think you're you've kind of and
fair enough to got a foot in both camps here.
But you know, my view is that he was suspended
because ABC realized he was losing viewership and costing the
money and that is not a place any corporation wants
to be in, right Yeah, But I.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Would say that people, if you it just goes back
to that thing we keep repeating, right if you when
you test your free speech, it's how much you support
people saying things that you don't agree with. And I
support ABC's right to get rid of him if they're
losing money, but I also support his right to say that.
And you know, someone's texting through here. You guys are

(53:34):
failing to mention that are millions and millions of followers
he has on YouTube, and exactly so, Jimmy Kimmel, if
he's really popular and he's more popular on YouTube than
he seems to be on ABC with the affiliates dropping
him that kind of stuff, then YouTube would be the
audience for him, right yeah, So he can go and
say these things it's a free speech issue. It isn't

(53:54):
someone else that's losing money. It's either him making the
money or him losing the money, if you see what
I'm saying. And that's where free speech comes into it.
And I'd absolutely one thousand percent support Jimmy Kimble's right
to say that on YouTube, but I'd also support a
company to not lose money by having a host that's
grandstanding in a way that shrinks his audience even smaller

(54:16):
than it is.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
Yeah, what do you say though, Oh one hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number. Call it's twenty four past.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Two Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on news Talk Z'B.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
Afternoon to your twenty seven past through having a good
discussion about the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel and whether that
is canceled culture or whether ABC looked at the declining
ratings and used it as a reason to push them
to the site.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
This text says, I suspect slash hope it won't be
long until you get canceled, mister heath Something tells me
you'll slip up soon, and I will celebrate that. Yeah,
I think that's a very good chance that I'll slip
up soon and get canceled.

Speaker 5 (54:56):
But we're going to ride that line pretty here for
a good time, not a long time.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Come on, guys, he's a comedian picking on the president,
who has even been in tape saying that he grabs
women by the pee at sign hash hash taped making
fun of a person with spasms. Well, well, the first
thing that you know, like, whatever you think about Trump
a private conversation tape. I'm sure we've all said terrible
things in private conversation and that spasm thing has been debunked,

(55:26):
but whatever, But I get your point that, But it's
funny why if people keep saying, come on, guys, I mean,
all we've ever said is that free speech is absolutely fine,
and he should be allowed to be sad. He shouldn't
be free from people criticizing him him saying and all
I've seen is people have a problem with him saying that,
instead of pushing for him to be canceled, should come
up with an argument and use that and point out

(55:47):
that he is not a very nice person or a
particularly honest person. If they don't think that is off.
Jimmy Kimmel's that I don't think he should be canceled
for the words he said. But I also, as I
keep saying, I feel like I'm going around in circles here.
But I'm also saying that a company has the right
to get suspend their host if they're losing money from
a guy who doesn't rate very well and is getting
paid sixteen million dollars a year. So both things can

(56:08):
be true.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
And I'm sure he'll pop up somewhere else. He absolutely
does have a following in certain circles, so he pops
up online or on his own or another network. At
that point, I don't think either either of us are saying, no,
Jimmy Kimmel, you can't be on TV anymore. That's absolutely
not what we're saying.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Brittany says, I made the mistake of stumbling across your
radio show this afternoon.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
How did you do that? You just stumbled across it? Well,
good on you.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Welcome, Yeah, welcome. First, the comedians have the right to
say things in bad tastes. Yep, We've said that repeatedly. Secondly,
let's not pretend this is about money. If Kimmel's ratings
were so bad, his show would have been wouldn't have
been so abruptly canceled. The timing is in the coincidence.
The United States is sliding into authoritarianism and corporate America
is escalating the process of deep platforming any voice critical
of the president. They are working their way towards the FURA. Well,

(56:55):
I mean that furists. As soon as you say that,
you've completely and utterly lost me. Come on, don't Brian
outside of your bubble.

Speaker 5 (57:04):
Yeah, god, but don't bring it to Nazis then when
you lose it.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
How can you start off so liberal and end up
so anyway? I shouldn't have read that out.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
That's right. Thanks for listening, Brittany.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
The sooner you too, cat pathetic clowns are canceled, the.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
Better, Thank you very much.

Speaker 9 (57:24):
Good.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
I need some lovely people out there today.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
But see that just this is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
So a lot of our audience believe in cancel culture,
so they don't agree with what you're saying, even though
you've got to say you could not have been more
even handed than we are. We're basically walking a tightrope
with a long pole with both subjects on either side
of it. But still all these people texting you should
be canceled for even having the discussion. So people that
text that, yeah, they are the proof that cancel culture

(57:52):
does exist, or people believe that it's a good thing.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
Yeah, exactly, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Got some headlines coming up with Wendy,
then plenty of calls to get to still the full
boards and the text machine is absolutely going crazy.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Bring it on.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
That's good those feeling it feels good will that people
telling me that I should be canceled.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
I love it. Oh jus talk said.

Speaker 15 (58:15):
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(58:40):
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zet Herald Premium. Now back to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 5 (59:28):
Thank you very much, Windy, so many techs coming through
on this. On nine two nine two, Hey, and.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Just a little bit later on the show, there's We've
got some audio of what Jimmy Kimmel thought of tuckle
Castle and being canceled off Fox.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
It's very interesting being fired from this Fox show.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
But anyway, some of Trump's actions are laudable. Scissus text,
but censorship is not and that it leads to dictatorship.
You cannot escape the fact that no Republican based media
outlets have been shut down. What non Republican media things
have been shut down?

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Less leaning?

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I mean, m ISNBC still going, CNN is still going, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
ABC's still go.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Bone They've just suspended their host, frightening those that remain
largely owned by Trump's donors and mates. Surely that's a
huge concern. Yeah, I mean, well it would be, but
I'd have to look into that. Dallas, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Yeah, Hi, Matt. Look, you're confusing two issues, and the
first one is whether you know, late night television's on
the way out and whether it's viable in this modern economy.
And that's a different discussion. You could have another discussion
the other day on that, but you know, because that's
not really you're confusing the issue. The issue is free speech.

(01:00:45):
And when it comes to free speech, the president himself,
straight after Kirk's murder, who did he ascribe the killerty?
He said, it's obviously a left wing shooter. Right, that is,
before we knew who the shooter was. Trump came straight
out and said it's a left wing shooter.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Just a question, just quickly, Dallas, how am I confusing
the issue? Because I've said that it's fine for Jimmy
Kimmel to say that, Absolutely absolutely fine for it, and
I would totally support his right to say what he said.
All I'm saying is that you can't force an employee
to keep someone on when they're losing money and continue
to say things that lose their audience. That that's all

(01:01:29):
I'm saying. I mean, both things can be true.

Speaker 14 (01:01:31):
No one's going to disagree with that, man, So I
just want to know how.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
I'm confusing the issue is all, Dallas, because that's what you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Said, Well, that it's confused. No one will disagree with that.
If you're not making money, you're gone.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Yeah. Good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
That's not really a talk back discussion because there's assion.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
It seems you're filled up there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
We've got so many texts and calls coming through, including
from you, Dallas.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
It's getting some people interested in Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
But I just it's driving me crazy that you're confusing
those two issues.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
No, no, no, I'm not confusing me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
I'm saying that both things are true in my opinion,
that he can say whatever he wants within the reasons
of the law, and we all know that the restrictions
on free speech around slander and death threats and all
that kind of stuff. But but but the argument we're
having there is people are saying that that ABC and Disney,
that parent company, are canceling him, and that they that

(01:02:25):
that is a fight, that is an attack on free
speech what they are doing as a company. But I'm
saying that I think a company has the right to
try and make money and if their host is losing
their money, which he is, and this is another example
of how he's going to lose more money because the
affiliates are canceling taking the show, then they have the
right to get rid of him. But Jimmy Kimmel absolutely

(01:02:46):
could get his own YouTube channel and go and say
whatever he wants, and I'd support that thoroughly.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
It's not clear yet. We're not clear yet why he's
being canceled. If it's a commercial decision, fair enough, but
we're not We're not clear on that yet. So I
guess I guess with the talk about that, you're trying
to get a discussion go is it that or is
it the other thing?

Speaker 17 (01:03:06):
Here?

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
But I'd say, you know, because a lot of people
think we are speculating wildly, Dallas.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
I agree, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
But this idea Dallas, that somehow the Trump administration has
themselves got rid of Jimmy Kemmel I find a bit fanciful,
and we can this is why we're having this discussion.
But Donald Trump would like a lot of media organizations
shut down in America. The New York Times, the Washington Boast.
He's been on recal with pretty much all of them, NBC.

(01:03:32):
I can't even think of another organization that he hasn't
said they should shut down because they're awful. But they
are still going. So the idea that they are waving,
you know, there's big stick and saying you've got to
shut these guys down, it is not happening.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
Yeah, And in fact, there's there was the quote.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
I'm trying to remember her. I'll try and look up her.
It was I was talking about CNN executives, the driving
Lamborghinis on the back of Trump. You know, these left
wing you know, organizations like CNN and m NBC. They
make a lot of money from being up against Trump
quite quite quite apart, quite different, and they're struggling now.
But but maybe the Overton, Windows moved, whatever, But they've

(01:04:08):
made a lot of money from their opposition to Trump
after twenty sixteen, Dallas.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
I think you're just playing wrong with the tyler. It's
just my opinion. I think a lot of people share
their opinion that Trump is trying to shut down free
speech in the America, and he started with the low
hanging fruit, which is the comedians who really get under
his skin.

Speaker 5 (01:04:28):
But I suppose my point, dellais say is that in
a place like America and New Zealand for that matter,
if Jimmy is as popular as he is and he's
got his fans, then he can start up his own
situation and carry on and keep going. It doesn't really
matter if he's on ABC or any one of the networks.
He still has the ability to have a voice and
get his opinions out there, and in fact, he can
probably go harder if he does it himself. So there's

(01:04:50):
still that element.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
That's a puppy helper's career of anything. Just in the
same way that you know, Charlie Kirk, he's now become
a saint you and you know you can't get rid
of people by killing them. You can't kill ideas. You know,
that's not the way to go. Increase it, you just
increase the ideas well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Well, interestingly, Dallas, currently Jimmy Kimble's got one point one
million viewers on his TV show, but he has twenty
million subscribers to his YouTube channel. And of course he'll
lose that YouTube channel if because that's associated with the show.
But yeah, I mean he he, I wouldn't be so
many people have. Megan Kelly's an example that lost your

(01:05:33):
job and has gone on to have a huge success
on YouTube.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Piers Morgan's another one. So there's you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
He'll probably do better, You'll probably make money and be
able to say whatever he wants.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
So Tyler, yep, Tyler, I'm concerned about your back. Tomorrow,
I think get some get some professional help, move in
your your fridge and you're dead and come on, don't be.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
Yeah, I'm glad you've offered your services, Dallas. So we're
going to start at eight thirty tomorrow and I'll get
you some fishing for lunch.

Speaker 6 (01:06:03):
Yeah, I'll be there.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
I'll be there with Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Yeah, well we'll both there. See that's isn't that great?
We can have a bus discussion with Dallas. But then
he's still going to be around to help you move
house tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (01:06:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
What a good man and what a good country? All right? O.
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call love to hear your thoughts on this. It is
nineteen two three.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Have a chat with the lads on eighty eighty Matt
Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
That'd be afternoon sixteen to three, and we are talking
about Jimmy Kimmel's suspension, cancel culture or just the nature
of a corporation needing to make money.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
So I was going to play that audio of Jimmy Kimmel,
but we don't have the Okay, we'll come back to
that in just a second.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
Jack, your thoughts on this?

Speaker 10 (01:06:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:06:48):
How are you? It just cracks me up. All these
people blaming Trump and everybody else and Jesus Christ and
everybody else. The fact is what happened. I was watching
what happened? And next who owns? Who owns? Two hundred
TV channels? That actually ABC sends all the show to.

(01:07:09):
As soon as kim Well made that statement, they closed
their contracts immediately and says, right, cut us off. Now
they were in the process of cutting them off anyway,
because this ratings had gone down what you've already said,
seventy two percent, but it was seventy five percent down
in two hundred TV stations around America, and they were
in the process of cutting it all down. And the

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CEO of the FCC in America, who funds these it's
like the government funding TVNZ and the Married Channel and
radio and New Zealand. They actually put a lot of
money into ABC and the other channels. He had already
said I saw an interview with him, and he'd already
sent them let us throughout the year. And they are

(01:07:55):
so by it. They've got a con center or they're
going to cut their funding because their whole program had
gone one side. And Kimmel was supposed to be a
comedian and he got away from it being a comedian.
He's not a comedian, become he'd become a broadcaster of
a one side legged duck, if you like. And Trump

(01:08:15):
had nothing to do with his sacking, no none whatsoever.
It was already done when the channels, two hundred channels around,
Marius says, right, cut us off. We don't want this
show anymore. We're not having it. And they're actually putting
a conservative on his place to have a conservative in
his place.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Who are they putting on in his place? I read
this said she'd forgotten.

Speaker 14 (01:08:41):
They're going to put a conservative on his place on Saturday,
have a remembrance, a remembrance, ceremony whatever to.

Speaker 7 (01:08:49):
Because of it.

Speaker 14 (01:08:50):
He's hurt so many people. You don't go and when
a woman a woman's just lost a husband and this
guy makes a rude comment like that, regardless whether you're
left or right, you just don't do that in the
face of somebody who's just died twenty four hours later. Yeah,
and that was just completely rude and not then, but
it wasn't Trump had deserve with us. Trump makes some
good or bad statements, who cares. But Trump has actually

(01:09:14):
suit about eight different outfits and won every case with slander.
So you know, they tried to sern, they've tried to
do everything else.

Speaker 7 (01:09:22):
And he's never lost the case.

Speaker 14 (01:09:24):
He's cost a fortune, they tried to put him in jail,
they've they've done lots of things to him, but in
the end of the day, nobody's nobody's got a thing
on them. Yeah, Trump did not cause Kimmel's bloody lost.
Kimball caused it himself. In this year alone, he's lost
seventy five percent of his his audience because he actually
said earlier on this year, he says, look, I don't

(01:09:45):
want any conservatives bloody in the thing. I don't want them,
I don't want Trump supporters. Go away. Well I just
lost fifty percent of his audience.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Who would do that?

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean your employee doesn't like when
you do that because primarily they want to make money.
They're you know, they're not public access there are you know,
and you know the funny thing that Jack was talking about,
but they primarily want to.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
Make a profit. Special Disney who is there overlords?

Speaker 5 (01:10:10):
You live and die on the raid.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
So if you've got our host grandstanding on sixteen million dollars,
you go. And as much as we all support us
right to say that, I feel like I'm saying the
same thing over again. But as much as Jimmy Kimball
say whatever you want, but you're not free from the
consequences of saying that if you're losing people millions and
millions of dollars, because you can eventually lose all the
jobs of all the people that work with you, Tyler Matt.

(01:10:32):
Just look at South Park's recent season ruthless towards Trump,
but also just signed a billion dollar multi season deal.
Free speech and money can go hand in hand. Yeah,
when you're making as much money as South Park as
people find it very easy to allow you to continue
doing what you're.

Speaker 5 (01:10:48):
Doing exactly, and they lead from the front on map.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
So this is interesting though, This is so. This is
when Tucker Carlson, who was a Fox News host when
he lost his job. This is what Jimmy Kimmel had
to say.

Speaker 8 (01:11:01):
Fox News has severed bow ties with Tucker Carlson after
all these years. They are parting ways, which means he
was fired. I mean, that's really what partying weighs me.
Tarker couldn't be reached for comment. He's already on a
plane to Moscow to meet with his manager. But what
a shock, I mean, what an absolutely delightful shock. This

(01:11:23):
is Now Tucker can spend more time at home, tanning
his testicles and touching himself to that sexy green M
and M. Sadly, he's probably not done poisoning old people's brains.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
The question now is where will he do it next?

Speaker 8 (01:11:36):
Will he go to oway n, Will he go to Newsmax?
Will he crawl back up Satan's fiery b hole?

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
From whence he came? We don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:11:43):
One of the most despicable mother tuckers ever to appear
on American television.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
So he was definitely sympathetic to people in the same
position he finds himself now, the issues that affect you,
and a.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 10 (01:12:02):
It'd be.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
Very good afternoons. You we are talking about Jimmy Kimmel's
suspension with that is cancel culture or whether that's a
company a corporation who was losing money with declining ratings.
So many texts coming through on this Kiday, guys, Kimmel
was canned because of the ratings. Proportionally to New Zealand.
He had approximately sixty thousand viewers. You'd be fired if

(01:12:24):
that was all the listeners you had. That's from Steve.
This one the hypocrisy from the left. Remember the censorship
during the COVID years, the Twitter files. Where was the outrage?
Then this is hypocrisy, pure and simple.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
Brent, your thoughts.

Speaker 12 (01:12:40):
Yeah, No, I think I think Jimmy Kimmel didn't say
anything that was worth canceling for because he didn't say
anything that was advocating violence or anything like that. I
guess a private company can do what they like, but
certainly governments should never have the power to counsel you

(01:13:01):
like they do in China or Russia. But what bothers
me today is the deafinition of violence. I listened to
Benjamin Doyle's vala victory speech in Parliament yesterday and he
implied that Parliament had was full of violence and hate,

(01:13:24):
and I'm thinking, did somebody hit him or something? The
only person I can remember hitting somebody was who's the
name of the previous sticker several years ago from labor
was the name Mela.

Speaker 6 (01:13:35):
At somebody.

Speaker 12 (01:13:41):
Yeah. But nowadays you've got people who they might say
something criticizing an idea or what somebody said, and their
opposition classifying that now as violence. And the problem you
have was that if you're classifying something speech they don't

(01:14:04):
like as violence, and other people who are mentally unwell
or just got some raw anger problems will take that
and say, well, that justifies me responding in violence.

Speaker 10 (01:14:16):
And that, but they spawn respond.

Speaker 18 (01:14:18):
With actual violence.

Speaker 12 (01:14:19):
So that's what's happening from from the left. That's coming
from the left. That's violence, that's hate. Well, you might
hate what I said, but it's not violence.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
I mean, I agree with you that that's been a
very strange concept creep in recent times, that speech is violence.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
And every person, I think needs to steal themselves so
they can handle hearing things they don't like, or even
abuse they don't like. It's much easier to learn how
to deal with abuse than it is to try and
silence the whole world. And the people that look to
silence the whole world. And the argument that they put
is that that's why the argument that speech is violence

(01:14:58):
came up, was trying to shut down the argument that, look,
it's just words.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
So they said, shut it down with a better argument.

Speaker 19 (01:15:04):
You got a better argument.

Speaker 12 (01:15:06):
And I mean, there's lots I'm a rating right winger,
and I there's lots of speech from the left that
I absolutely hate, but I absolutely accept that they have
to have the right to say it so that I
can have the right to say what I want to say.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Yeah, and Brent, you've just said what you wanted to
say on newstalk ZB and we thoroughly appreciate your call
on our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and I
think we've had both sides of the argument here thoroughly eared.

Speaker 5 (01:15:32):
Yes, what a great discussion. And that is the joy
of a program like this is that anybody can come
through and say what either they like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Lots of middle class white male callers surprise, surprise, Well
that's yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
So do you want us?

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Do you want us to silence middle class white male callers?
Is that what that text is saying?

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
There?

Speaker 5 (01:15:49):
You can ring through extra, Yeah, you can ring.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
I think most people believe in free speech.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
What Jimmy Kimble said wasn't nice or really that funny,
but he should be allowed to say it, just not
keep saying things that lose Disney millions of millions of dollars.
I think that kind of makes sense. He can say
all that on YouTube when he has his own boss
and losing his own money.

Speaker 5 (01:16:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
But yeah, when it comes to free speech, everyone is
in favor of speech. Hardly a day passes without someone
extolling but some people's idea of it as they are
free to say what they like.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
But if anyone says anything back that is an outrage.
Who said that?

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):
Yeah? Who said that? Winston Chure very good, he is
the best of us. Was anyway, great discussion, Thank you
very much everyone who phoned and called on there. Coming
up after three o'clock. Who is going to be New
Zealander of the week.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Now we've said two hours of quite intense discussion. You've
got to say with the thousands thousand text in full lines,
and I'll be interested to know if this topic that
we're going to do for the final hour the show
is gonna be as heated or reheated as it were.

Speaker 5 (01:17:13):
Well done, mate, well done.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
So I'm pretty sure this topic on expiring dates won't
end in as many calls for me to be canceled
as came through on the text machine on nine two
nine two.

Speaker 4 (01:17:24):
A lot of people want me canceled.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
Yeah, well, they haven't heard what you've got to say
about expiry dates yet. Maybe maybe it's pretty controversial.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
Maybe i'll win them back.

Speaker 5 (01:17:31):
Yeah, maybe you want.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Them my thoughts on, maybe even more. The food safety
advocates might come for me this time.

Speaker 5 (01:17:38):
I think they will. Yeah, yeah, the pitchforks are going
to come out. So that's what we want to have
a jet about. So we all glance at expiry dates.
Great story in the Herald before eating or buying food,
But do you really know what those dates mean? In
New Zealand, many confused best before we're used by leading
to tons of perfectly good food being thrown away. We
do chuck out a lot of food in this country.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Yeah, and I just this line from this article is
so important. It's so key for all key weis to
remember best before dates are about quality food is still
fine after that date, so it's best. Yeah, right, people
think that it's done.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
I don't know. My partner does.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
She's always coming at me saying, trying to throw something
out because it's past its best before date. And I'm like,
how special and privileged are we that we have to
eat food when it's best?

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
Yeah, it's no longer at its peak, I can no
longer eat it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Yeah, in reality, I'm going to eat things all the
way past off peak, through average, dodgy and then borderline.

Speaker 5 (01:18:37):
Yeah. Well, let's have a chat about your views on
expiry dates, Matt, because look the old best before. I
can agree with you there. I'll keep pushing the old
best before date. But the expiry date, you even say,
with the expiry date, you'll push it. You'll push it
a few days before you chuck that out. Oh, one
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call love

(01:18:58):
to hear your thoughts on this expiry dates and best before?
How far do you push it? And how long before
you chuck it out?

Speaker 6 (01:19:06):
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Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
Can you get your views on this one?

Speaker 9 (01:19:08):
Right now?

Speaker 15 (01:19:08):
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And what a couple of nights for the New Zealand
two his talk said, be sixteen past three, So no
doubt about it. We chuck out a lot of food
in this country. Do you push the old expiry dates
and certainly the best before as far as you can
take it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
And I think some people think that if you eat
the food after the best before, you somehow are going
to die, Like you're going to get capital back?

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
Have I said that?

Speaker 20 (01:23:13):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:23:14):
Pretty good shot actually?

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
Or the evil evil camp to low Bacter nailed it?

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
Yeah, Well where do.

Speaker 4 (01:23:21):
You find the evil Jardia Jiardia that I'm thinking of?

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Some ad there was the evil Jardi I think that's
in Is that in stagnant waterways or whatever? But as
we were as We have been saying that, and this
article fantastic article by Mickey Beryl Nicki Barrel that the
best before dates are about quality.

Speaker 5 (01:23:41):
Would you push the expiry date? That is the big question.
So Caesar expires on a certain date one hundred eighty
ten eighty you, Matt, would you push it?

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
They just want to buy you and you they just
want you to They put the expiry date in such
a ridiculously early window because they want you to buy
another breast, aren't they.

Speaker 5 (01:24:01):
They want you to go breast conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
They want you to throw out that breast and get
you to go by another breast.

Speaker 5 (01:24:06):
Just give it the sniff tests. Yeah, but what do
you say? I went undred eighteen eighty Annie, Welcome to
the show.

Speaker 21 (01:24:13):
Hi guys, Hello, I'm one of those I think Nicky
Berrel is absolutely brilliant actually, and I do push it
a little bit. I have been known I take a
lot of things out of the original packaging, so I
don't even know when they're they meant the best bite
and put things into cling film or waxed material wraps

(01:24:37):
to go in the fridge. So sometimes it's just been
It's common sense, really, isn't it. It's common sense. If
it's got fungus growing on it, slimy at the bottom,
you're not gonna touch it, are you. But if it's
something like a loaf of bread and it's got a
little bit of green or black mold, I have been

(01:24:58):
known not wanting to go down to the shops to
get anymore. I have been known to slice it off
all the way around toast it, and it tastes just fine,
and I think, yeah, that's fats for money, didn't I Cheese?
When it does white bloom on it, you know, the
big chunky cheddar. That's nice tasty one. You have to
bite in the big blocks because it's so expensive to

(01:25:20):
bite any other way. So that's got to last as
far as I'm concerned. So you can just do a
thin shave, take off that bloom.

Speaker 5 (01:25:29):
Ye give it to the dog. They love it. Pretty sure.
That funguses is pretty good sometimes, isn't it.

Speaker 21 (01:25:36):
It will it will carry on and become like the
white skin on canon there.

Speaker 19 (01:25:40):
So it's part of the cheese. What about vegetables?

Speaker 21 (01:25:46):
How can we save money on vegetables? Because they're blinking expensive.
And if I've got a bag of green beans that
are forgotten about and find them. There's some gone a
bit rotten in there, and some haven't put rot.

Speaker 19 (01:25:59):
Obviously, that's going.

Speaker 21 (01:26:00):
To compaste chop out the other than bundon into soup
or into a risotto. You can you know, you can
still use them. It's like sprouting onions. Or you can
use the bits that you can use. Okay it's not
super fresh that it's fine soup, or you can just
encurry that you're pushing the boat out.

Speaker 19 (01:26:21):
If it's trick.

Speaker 21 (01:26:23):
That doesn't smell right, it's the white bit's growing on it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Do you know what bugs me as when there is
a little bit of mold on the on one bit
of bread, one far end of a loaf, and I
see one of my children taking that to the rubbish punt.
I'm like, no, I don't even scraped the mold off
that one bit of bread. But you can definitely further
down the loaf. We're still good to go, absolutely, and

(01:26:50):
even with a bit of mold on it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
Toaster. The toaster will deal to a little bit of mold.

Speaker 5 (01:26:55):
You're a hard man. I thought you meant they're going
to chug out the whole of the whole loaf, But
you don't even let them.

Speaker 21 (01:27:01):
It is only pillin bloom that you get on bread.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
How weak are we We think about our ancestors just
walking around eating anything they could get their hand on,
And now is so so precious.

Speaker 5 (01:27:14):
There's like seven cents worth of bread that one slice.
Just chuck that out, No toast.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
It you, that's your problem, I will say.

Speaker 5 (01:27:27):
I mean it actually happened. I was cooking dinner a
few nights ago, and we'd only had about three potatoes
that were fresh ready to go for my mash, and
I needed a few more. So I looked in the
back of the cupboard and found something that looked like
from the scent of aliens, an old potato that had
all these sprouts grown out of it. And I thought,
because it's going in a mesh, I could just shave
it off. It was a bit spongy, I'll just chop

(01:27:49):
it up nicely, really fine, and it's going to be
all good waste.

Speaker 21 (01:27:53):
Want we can't afford to do anything else.

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
Really well, it's also disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
You know, I'm a rabbit meat eater, I'm a carnivore,
but I also think that wasting meat is kind of disrespectful.
So I think it's your job to make sure you
get through the meat and the time that you're willing
to eat it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
And if that involves me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Maybe having to spice something a little bit more, just
so I can get it down me like our ancestors
have done for the for the longest time. You know,
if it's then that's better than this ultimate sacrifice of
an animal ending up in the bin, you know. So
I think ride the line for the for the universe.

Speaker 21 (01:28:34):
I have a friendly with a nurse and she did
the SOO work out in South India for a long
time before doing an our course. Well, she said to me, honestly,
the food is so bad there, but the meat goes
off so fast because people don't have fridges. That's why
the curries are so hot, because A it tenderizes it
and b if it was off, you cannot tell. You

(01:28:56):
don't know if she gets the scripts anyway from the
curry there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
You go, well, well, I mean a lot of flavoring
across a lot of food comes from having to hide
it's a bit fast. And then it turns out that
the flavoring was so good that we use that flavoring
even when.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
We don't have rotten meat to hide.

Speaker 5 (01:29:15):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call, and he
I really appreciate it. This Texas says mate.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
I work in a cafe and take home chicken egg
you name it, rolls, et cetera, and eat it long
after it's used by date, as long as it's wrapped
and glad wrap and refrigerated the right way.

Speaker 5 (01:29:31):
Yeah, good man. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Do we get a bit precious
when it comes to expiry dates and best before? How
far do you push it? Love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
I think mold is a new thing. I never saw
it as a child. No, mold has been around for
long time.

Speaker 5 (01:29:47):
No, I'm pretty sure mold is pretty ancient.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
Well, I think mold is coming.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Back because you need to take vogels, which is just
the you know, the best of breads.

Speaker 5 (01:29:56):
It's tasty.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
I'm a huge fan of vogels. Just vogels.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
It takes a lifetime, an entire age from to toast,
especially if you bring it from frozen that's days, yea.
But once it's toasted and you put butter on it,
it's the greatest thing in the world. But because one
of the things that makes it so great is it's
lack of preservatives, et cetera. So your vogels isn't going
to get It's almost a signal that it's good quality

(01:30:23):
bread if it gets molded quickly. Yeah, So you know,
the more preservatives then, you know, and the less good
for you the bread is, the quicker it's going to
the longer it's going to stay without mold.

Speaker 5 (01:30:33):
Yeah, I've noticed that with my old plowman's up here,
actually Plowman's down in christ Church that will last a
good couple of weeks up here. Humidity, you're lucky to
get three days out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Really well, vogels toast it, toast it, even if it's
got a civilization's growing on it, because it's so disgusting.

Speaker 5 (01:30:51):
Mass murderer, toast it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call eight on News Talk.

Speaker 5 (01:31:01):
SV Afternoon Cheer. We're talking about expiry dates and best before.
Do we get too precious in this country when it
comes to those things. We check out so much food,
So do we need to just push it a little
bit further than the authority?

Speaker 9 (01:31:14):
Say?

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Hey, I was joking before when I said that I
might get calls to be canceled this hour like I
did last year. Yeah, last hour, But there is a
call here. High guys eating bread with molders, buddy, stupid,
You can get sick. Leading to people believe it's okay
is not great ideas, hanwe that's not it. That's the
different one.

Speaker 4 (01:31:31):
Oh hear it is? Sorry, I read the wrong one.
I read the wrong hate text.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Matt is a total idiot and should be reported under
health and safety. Bread mold is not penicillin, and it
contains toxins even if toasted. Do you research you total more.

Speaker 5 (01:31:43):
On yeaph Nah? Hard enough, hard enough.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
If you can't handle the mold that grows on bread
once it's been toasted, and you know, once it's been
through the toaster, it's been nuked, all the bad stuff
in there, all the toxins.

Speaker 5 (01:31:56):
Probably just cook the hell out of it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
But how weak are we? If you can't handle a
bit of mold on your bread? Then are you too
weak for this world?

Speaker 5 (01:32:04):
A lot of bubble boys out there? Maybe, yeah, tea,
how are you?

Speaker 6 (01:32:08):
Yeah? Good good boys? What a beautiful Friday and the
weather's out lovely?

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
Just about you are you? We're about to you tap.

Speaker 6 (01:32:19):
Just finishing from work, leads heating home now my homes
three addrosiads are trainers of the conversation and talking about
expired food dates. Yeah, you know, And I'm actually a
big advatan on that because obviously we we're obviously re
asession now and zero point nine percent of the GDP,
you know, so we're all about tidying email belts. But

(01:32:41):
I'm a bit of a gym junkie, and all my
expired foods I actually buy a protein part about a
year or two years expiring. I've done a little bit
of research on it, but literally, like it's all you
like and fauna and I refuse to pay one hundred
dollars on the club, but I can pretty much put
up protein part of for about fifty or sixty dollars

(01:33:01):
and it's still good.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
Where do you get get from? Where do you where
do you get the expired protein bout? I want to
get on this?

Speaker 6 (01:33:09):
Yeah you can. You can go to your local to
your local supermarket, lot supermarket by your protein. Something went shot.
What I'm finding it now, I've been doing it for
about three years. What I'm finding now is there it's
getting harder to actually buy buy a protein. Part of
what they do now is they're more pushing it online
and now only like push it to maybe three months

(01:33:31):
or maybe six months expiring, and their super still and
then once it's quite clear it's mom plinny, I'm struggling,
like I'm like wow, you know, but I'm missing to
the lady before I'm the scene as well. If it's
got a bit of mold on the cheese, you know,
I just cut it off the bread, you know. But
I used to actually leads. I used to actually quite
fathom because I think my recket might be a little bit.

(01:33:52):
I'm in my thirties, you know, I'm all about fighting
in myself. But I used to follow two girls on
Instagram and they were from overseas. One was French and
the other one was Irish. And I used to fathom
because they had a part time job, and the time
job in the weekends was they were feeding a lot
of the commercial pigs. So I think a lot of

(01:34:14):
the supermarkets they had vegis and all products they used
to go off, you know, from countdown packing save they
see it seemed for the commercial funds, but these goals
used to help, you know, feed these pigs and literally
I used to send them how much good food that
you know that we're just going to the pigs. I
was like wow, watching these stories, I could literally look

(01:34:35):
at the tomatoes, you know, and they were basically brand new,
you know, you know, and especially quite it's quite sad.
So like if you look at the reality a you know,
like with us being in this, you know, it's literally
it's so sad that the pigs literally eat better than us,

(01:34:57):
you know, like it's like wow, you know, and like people,
I know, it's tough out there at the moments. You know,
people are cutting their belts, you know. By man, it's
when you say that the pigs actually beat it. They're
eating though humids in and I think, wow, what more
can you say?

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
Yeah, well that's not good. That it's definitely not good.
But I know exactly what you're saying to you because
you know, every year in London, I think it is,
they have that big Bank banquet which is all food
out of the rubbish.

Speaker 5 (01:35:25):
Yeah right, the skip divers.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Yeah, so they dive in the skip and they put
on this beautiful banquet for you know. It's not the
met Gala, but it's a similar level of celebrity turning
up and eating this food. Just to make the point
that so much food is thrown out because we are
idiots that we need our food to look incredible before
we eat it. Not only do we want it to
taste good and be healthy and needs to look incredible,
So people will throw it at a broccoli just because

(01:35:49):
it's a bit limp.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
Yeah, it's getting you know how broccoli gets a little
bit limp.

Speaker 5 (01:35:53):
Just give it a we spray, we spray with a water, Just.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Fry it out up out of it, cover it and
paprika or Moroccan flavoring. Yeah, bloody, good to go.

Speaker 5 (01:36:03):
That will sort. Yeah, what do you say though? I
one hundred and eighty ten eighties, But it's quite a
bit of pushback.

Speaker 4 (01:36:08):
Yeah, but Craig is with me.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Guys, if it doesn't crawl out of the fridge when
you open the door, then no worries.

Speaker 5 (01:36:13):
Good on you, Craig. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call best before on expiry dates?
Do you care? Do you push the envelope? Are we
too precious in this country?

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Speaker 5 (01:37:33):
Thank you very much. Wendy getting some great texts coming
through on expiry dates and best before days.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
I'm getting some angry texts coming through from home. Please
do Can I share some discussions on the food topic? Absolutely,
did you eat my jam donut protein ball?

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
Says Tracy?

Speaker 5 (01:37:49):
Did you?

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
I just wondered, yes, sorry, and then I said I
felt bad this how much from backtracking because when I
ate her her jam donut protein ball I knew that
it was too delicious and that she was probably really
looking forward to it. Yea, So she says, did you
eat my jam donut protein ball?

Speaker 4 (01:38:05):
I said yes? Sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
Next text, I felt bad. Next text, but was so hungry.
Yax text it was great. Next text, I didn't know
there was just one. Next text, bad Matt. Then she
said I was saving it. But that's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
I said, I'll buy you something nice and Fiji. She says,
you could have had mini snacks. Many are out.

Speaker 5 (01:38:29):
It does sound real good, the gem doughnut protein ball.
That sounds delicious.

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
What should I say? And what it's like? There's plenty
of moldy bread and bread and the fridge toast some
of that up.

Speaker 7 (01:38:39):
Love.

Speaker 5 (01:38:39):
There's some old spungs in the back of the cupboard.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
There's some rider gets best by a chicken.

Speaker 5 (01:38:46):
Just fry the hell of it. You'll be right anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
My brother says the text that puts kinner out until
the sun out in the sun until the spike start
to fall off, and then eats them. The smell would
make you chune.

Speaker 5 (01:38:58):
Oh, that is feeral.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
There are some people that are very strong stomachs. I
think there's some of us that are evolved to eat
more rotten and moldy food than others. Yeah, absolutely, And
I think your brother is one of those those people.
But didn't they used to be thinking one hundred year eggs?

Speaker 5 (01:39:13):
Yes, yep, they still exist.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
Yes, so they're just rotten, old, stinky old eggs.

Speaker 5 (01:39:17):
And the old Scandinavians they love some fermented fish. Was
it struban, struban doorgan, something like that stub dog.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
That's amazing, pretty close, gents, Before Best before Day is
a quality thing use used by date as food safety.
The difference of the two salt is a good preservative
for meat.

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
I'm hungry.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Yeah, good, thank you, Chris. Old cans of food is
your wheelhouse?

Speaker 22 (01:39:40):
Yep?

Speaker 5 (01:39:42):
And what do you reckon? How far do you push them?
What's the oldest can of food that you've cracked open?

Speaker 22 (01:39:48):
I tell the truth.

Speaker 7 (01:39:50):
I couldn't.

Speaker 22 (01:39:51):
I couldn't put a date on it. But the original
stuff had pound sellings and pens on it. I've got
a the High Country and the mates that always given
me absolute uh hate. I'm a red here, so I
got a bit of Scotch than me, and they just

(01:40:12):
give me hates the fact that they've got pound shillings
and scents on the cans. But of all things, natured
top two of them. They didn't, Rusty. Out of all things,
the old mice got on top and peed on them
and made them. But Rusty and my friends are up there. Oh,
we cleaned out your turbots for you and threw them
all away. And I said, no, that's nostalgia. You don't
get tarra soup anymore and stuff like that. So yeah,

(01:40:35):
I don't throw stuff away.

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
You remember.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
I remember that story because I'm a huge Shackleton found fan.
When they when they were looking through Nimrod's hut, there's
there's a bunch of cans, isn't there there's peace soup,
apricot jam.

Speaker 4 (01:40:47):
I believe there was.

Speaker 7 (01:40:49):
There was.

Speaker 4 (01:40:50):
There was like chutney and corn beef.

Speaker 5 (01:40:52):
Even it was a fruitcake they found, Look a fruitcake.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
It's ninety seven. I think the corn beef was still
good to go from ninety oh seven. Canning food is
a fantastic invention. And just I think, Chris, that people
are using cans less now than they used to.

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
Would that be right? Have you noticed that?

Speaker 22 (01:41:11):
I still I like the fact that I've got some
months to fly food up. If something went wrong down here,
I know I can go up high Country and there's
a good month to fly food there. Yeah, some of
it will be well passed. Who's by date? But if
I'm a homegoing I want to eat it.

Speaker 5 (01:41:24):
Yeah, nicely said, and.

Speaker 4 (01:41:25):
Good on you, Chris.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
This text says, Tyler, you're the problem. Toast the moldy bread.
Toast it, I mean with bread.

Speaker 5 (01:41:33):
I can understand that, but genuinely so, I've got some
chicken and it's a little bit green. Can I I
can kill everything just by cooking the cooking the hell
out of it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:41):
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
Once it's gone up to one hundred degrees, everything's dead.
Everything that can kills you.

Speaker 4 (01:41:45):
Dead is dead.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Just go for it, and then it just becomes a tasting.
Once you've had salmonella a couple of times, says Bill,
you built up an immunity, So rotten chicken is like
a vaccines.

Speaker 4 (01:41:56):
So long as you make it through.

Speaker 5 (01:41:59):
Just give yourself food. You survive, you'll be stronger.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
Why are you eating that rotten chicken. I'm trying to
build up my immunity.

Speaker 5 (01:42:08):
I love it.

Speaker 19 (01:42:09):
Dave fail you, hey, hey, do So first of all,
is that you know I'm not a microbologist. I've had
I've done some papers in micro and whatnot impressive. I
can tell you that one hundred degrees does not kill
everything by any means. And no, for example, Kenning, you've
got to you had, it's all about an equivalent number.

(01:42:32):
And so you hear this, ninety nine point nine percent
kill all the bugs and your sanitizer. That's what would
call a free decimal reduction. So if you've got a thousand,
it would go down to one. Okay, but in micro
terms we're talking, you know, tend to the power of eight,
tend to the power of ten, So we go down
to ten to the power of five and it would
grow back. So a free decimal reduction does sweat fall,

(01:42:52):
whereas in canning to make it safe, you're doing a
twelve decimal reduction to make sure people don't die of
costried in botil item toxins.

Speaker 4 (01:42:59):
So they how was the process to do that, Dave?
How do they get it that?

Speaker 10 (01:43:03):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:43:04):
That nukes.

Speaker 19 (01:43:07):
Effectively putting them retort it under pressure, and when you
do that, you're able to effectively kill more at the
in the same du old time. Okay, And so now
what I would say is that I don't know, you
know what toxins that the mold on a bread would make,

(01:43:27):
if any. But if it's making it a mold that's
you know, that's heat resistant, then you know putting it
through the toaster won't kill it. Right now, you can
google it. You probably should because you might have somebody
out there and right now that's you know, well, I've
got a little bit of mold on my toast, I'm
going to I'll look the hell out of it and
then eat it. I don't think it would be a problem,
because you know, otherwise you'd have a shipload of people

(01:43:49):
getting sick. But I don't know. But what I can
tell you is is that one hundred degrees does not
kill everything. And even one hundred degrees you then have
the dual time to pasteurization sixty five degrees for fifteen seconds, right,
so sixty five degrees for one second, your milk's not pasteurized.
But it's not just about temperature, about time, and then

(01:44:09):
it's about the resistance of the bacteria that you're trying
to kill.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
Now, Dave, My thing on this though, is that, like
you know, and this is something my son said to
me the other day. He said, I just found out
that it won't kill me. And this is what he
thought because he had been the fear be put into him.
So if you're all your risking is getting a bit
sick or having a bit of an explosion out the
back end because of what you've eaten, then maybe it's

(01:44:33):
worth pushing to pushing the line every now and then,
as opposed to the idea of throwing out food and
wasting and as I said before, insulting the universe by
an animal dying for you to eat and you just
hiffing it out. So you know, like maybe maybe the
one hundred degrees doesn't kill everything at all, but it
might give you enough that your your system and can

(01:44:54):
fight off the bacteria and you survive.

Speaker 4 (01:44:56):
If you see what I'm.

Speaker 19 (01:44:57):
Saying, well bosted in bochulanam you won't fight it off
all right, So you know there will be a fatality rate.
And there's plenty of things out there. For example, if
you eat a very old chicken, it's not just salmonella
that could get there. But you know, salmonella is givele taken.
I can't remember the exact numbers, but you know it's

(01:45:18):
a very high number of chicken. So if you eat
your chicken it's not cooked properly, you've got a ninety
percent chance of you know, picking up salmon ala poisoning.
And I don't think it's something that your immune system
develops to I e. You know, if you eat add
chicken today and get sick and do it again next week,
you'll probably have the same outcome.

Speaker 6 (01:45:37):
Right.

Speaker 19 (01:45:38):
So all on the purpose of the call was you
know A is to clarify that you know, I'm not
a microbiologist. I've got enough training on certain things, et cetera.
Is to just make that make sure that people do
realize that you know, there's things out there that you know,
they are nasty at the same time, don't be silly
about it. And oh my god, I've got to sanitize
my hands before I before I eat because it might

(01:46:00):
kill me. Well, that's probably doing sweet and doing a
little anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:46:04):
Really, is there an argument, Dave, that we are getting
weaker with oremmune systems because we are overly cautious. I
listened to a study and they were looking at children's
immune systems and found that those who live in farms
and live near animals and eat food that may be
a little bit past it's used by date had far
better immune systems and those children living in cities that
don't face those same germs on a regular basis.

Speaker 13 (01:46:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:46:29):
So I wouldn't be commenting from from you know, knowing
for sure, but I am aware of those types of
you know, research, et cetera, And personally I believe that
there's there is a degree of truth to it. Then
you have to go and look at the papers and
look at it properly. But no doubt is that there
is a lot of things out there where you do
develop natural immunity too after going for a bad experience.

(01:46:53):
But you know, the people that run around and try
to have measles part or months parties or whatever they are.
You know, that's that is literally insane, right, So you
know it's microorganisms. They there's there's plenty out there that
can do that can do plenty of down there, you know,
more seafish for example, sea food for example. You know

(01:47:14):
you've got to be really careful to make sure you can.
You wouldn't let an oyster. You wouldn't need an oyster
after three weeks, that's for sure, because it will kill you.

Speaker 5 (01:47:22):
Yeah, that fair enough, Dave, Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
So now that's annoying because I was going to have
an have chicken Tatucky for dinner tonight.

Speaker 5 (01:47:30):
Sounds nice, but I won't green chicken tentucky.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
Yeah, I won't be having the chicken takaki. After what
Dave said, that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (01:47:38):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the Nuther call.
We're going to play some messages, but plenty of texts
coming through on this. We'll get to a few of
those very shortly. It is fourteen to four guys.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Some of the things you're saying are irresponsible.

Speaker 4 (01:47:49):
Thanks even a fresh take on talk back.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons have your say
on eight hundred eighty eight Talk.

Speaker 5 (01:48:00):
Dead b It is twelve to four.

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
Great text here, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
We went to the Ross Sea last year on the
Expedition cruise, went to Scott's and Shackleton's hut. Mind bling
have you seen the book called Endurance, The Discovery of
Shackleton's Legendary Ship by John Shears and Nico Vincent. Beautiful
book worth buying. The trip was well deth worth doing,
but very expensive. Yess, I read so many Shackleton books.
I'm completely obsessed with that story. And I tried to

(01:48:26):
pitch to my partner that we go on a holiday
this very cruise, but she said, the last thing I
want to do is be pisting around the ice just
so you can get excited about.

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
Shackleton, your hero.

Speaker 5 (01:48:36):
It'd be Disneyland for you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
But this holiday I will be making the Endurance Lego said.
I bought a huge Shackleton fan, so loved that text.

Speaker 5 (01:48:44):
How good.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
My grandfather used to eat mold off the jam and
tell me best penicillain.

Speaker 7 (01:48:48):
This get a day, guys, it's been a while, Hey, Liza,
I'd like to put in a word from maple syrup.

Speaker 5 (01:48:57):
Please.

Speaker 6 (01:48:57):
We long ago.

Speaker 7 (01:48:59):
I was a kid at primary school mate and it
was like nineteen sixty six or thereabout, and we ended
up with this bottle of maple syrup. And I'm not
sure that we necessarily liked it. Well maybe there was
just a strong dose of procrastinationgo. But it sat in
our fridge year after year. After it survived a couple

(01:49:20):
of fridges. My parents shifted up to Walkland in nineteen
eighty nine and the maple syrup bottle.

Speaker 6 (01:49:27):
Came with them.

Speaker 4 (01:49:28):
Yes years. I love that, I know.

Speaker 7 (01:49:35):
And then we started eating the stuff and we did
consume it eventually, and it was just great. I think
our palets had changed, but it was like on bananas
and coasts and ice cream or whatever. And look, you
know what, after all that time, there were no side
effects whatsoever. Parts of the occasional involuntary outburst of O
Canada as well.

Speaker 4 (01:49:57):
Good on you, Dave. What a great story.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
If you want to know, like his proof that the
best before and the use by dates are corrupt is
that they have them on the water bottles that has
been on the planet and salt. Yeah, some people texting
through that there is used by date on their Humilatian salt.
That's millions of years old by the time that you
eat it, and suddenly that's because they want you to

(01:50:20):
throw it out and buy another one. Hey, boys, boys,
my wife has a fridge absolutely jammed with leftovers. She
will eat days old chicken, moldy cheese, beech troup that
dried up days ago, last weekend's potato salad, anything else
in there, always on a soft old crusket with watery
old cottage cheese. It'll be here and the cock croaches
left in the end. It cracks the kids and I

(01:50:40):
up that she has never been sick from it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
Sheers.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
Shane Go from Cooper's Beach. What a legend your partner
is a great New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (01:50:48):
Yeah, fantastic, right, It is nine to four back in
a month.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams Afternoons used
talks that'd be it is.

Speaker 5 (01:51:03):
Six to four.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
Well, my lesson from the show today is question everything,
even the best by dates on your first anyway, thank
you so much for listening to the show this week.
Everyone being a great week so many incredible calls and texts, yes,
and we like to celebrate our great callers. And yesterday
we were talking about the demise of local newspapers because
Facebook community groups have become the place you find out

(01:51:25):
about the local happenings. And we had a call from Jimma,
who was one of those hard working Admonds on one
of those groups.

Speaker 23 (01:51:31):
It's quite a good job actually being an admind. I
try and like create a culture with it that it's
not like a winge page people getting out their pitchforks
about things and stuff like that. There is a lot
of stuff where people have their opinions, and that's fine
as long as they're not being abusive. But yeah, you
would laugh at some of the things. A dog walked

(01:51:51):
on my lawn at three o'clock yesterday. But I'm really
passionate about it. I care about Arachn a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
She's an awesome person and she's letting me into her group.
So I'm following everything.

Speaker 4 (01:52:01):
In the Ara Town community.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
Hazy powerful here The dup of c Ellen's up next.
But right now, my good friend Tyler, why am I
playing the song.

Speaker 5 (01:52:10):
George Michael Freed ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
I actually got no idea because we were talking about
freedom of speech for two bloody hours.

Speaker 5 (01:52:19):
Tyler, that's right, what a Wilwood show, But what a
great song.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
All right, Tyler and I are away next week, so
Tim Roxbell will be running the show with our fantastic
producer Andrew. So until next week, you're great New Zealand,
and wherever you are, whatever you are doing.

Speaker 4 (01:52:33):
Give him a taste of key. We love you, Matt

(01:53:28):
and Tyler.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
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