Full Show Podcast: 29 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Hell are you Great New Zealands And welcome to Men
and Tyler Who Hello you Great New Zealand's Welcome to
Matt and Tyler Full Show Podcast number two hundred and
ten really went from ten to two thousand to two
hundred and ten already under ten back after a holiday,
feeling refreshed at a fantastic show. Got a bit spicy

(00:38):
around the whole Onceton Peter's speech at the Bloody.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
You in Yep, got a bit feisty, but it was
a great chat.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Certainly was I think you'll enjoy that and really amusing
calls later on on the other topics that we got
stuck into. So good pod, good, good, back, good, return
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Speaker 1 (01:01):
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Speaker 4 (01:11):
Be very good afternoon, Chier, welcome into Monday. So good
to have you here with us. I hope you've been
doing well.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
We are back a Matt, get a Tyler, get a
great New Zealander. Wherever you're tuning in from, we've got
a great three hours of radio coming up for you.
And look, I got to say, it is nice to
be back when you finish a holiday. You know, we
were flying back from Fiji and we were both thinking,
oh no, the holiday's over. But you've got to actually
put the holiday in the bank and go. That was great.

(01:39):
Yet you can't feel sad at the end of the holiday.
You've got to go. I've got what I needed out
of it. I'm rejuvenated and I'm back into the into
the real game again, which is the met entyle afternoons
on New Stalks.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
It's a good philosophy.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I'm good to go.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, you are good to go. You got a beautiful
tan as well. I've got to say thank you something.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
This has wind burn. There's a bit of wind over
in Fiji right especially one day actually we were playing
the Natadolar Bay golf Course, Lovely, which is a crazy
golf course. It's it's the coolest thing I've ever been on.
It's you know, you're teeing off wherever you tee off,
it's just over lagoons, over cattle, over wild horses. It's

(02:18):
very difficult, and there was but we had this. Okay,
this wasn't anything to do with the wind, but I
was teeing off I think it was on the seventh
and absolutely shanked it right shanked it right over into
another fairway right yep. And it was so windy that
no one else was really playing on the golf course,
so we didn't really see many people. And so we

(02:39):
got Tracy and I we got on our cart and
we zoomed over to get my ball. And when we
got over there, we saw this ball in the middle
of a sand trap with just with a little shamrock on.
It was just sitting right in the middle. And people
have been popping up out of the undergrowth to sell
us balls and drinks and stuff right around the entire course.
So we thought someone just put this little ball in

(03:00):
the middle of the sand trap as an example of
a cool little ball you can get, because I'd bought
like a Ghostbusters ball from someone and Tracy had bought
it champagne ball. So we saw this little shamrock ball
and we're looked around and there was no one around,
and Tracy goes I really want that ball. I'm gonna
grab that ball. That might help my luck. I'm thinking,

(03:21):
I don't know, but I looked around. There was no
one around. Yeah, And so she picked it up and
we zoomed off in our cart, and then we see
this other cart come streaming past over and I kind
of recognized the shape of one of the people in
the cart. I'm not sure where're from. And then we
see them zoom over across our fearway over to that

(03:43):
other fearway and they start looking for that ball. No,
so we oh god, there were someone. Against the odds,
there was someone else there. So we got on the
go cart and the gout the golf cart and we
go over and and go go, We've got to give
you your ball back. And guess who it was? Who
Brendan McCullum. Oh, no, kidding, Bears McCullum. It was, And

(04:10):
he was very good about it, yeah, because and what
had happened is he had shanked his ball across about
three fairways. I'd shanked across one, and there was no
one really else on the court, so it was just
him and Cayl Mills came over. They were playing a
round of golf over there, and they were cool about it.
And luckily Tracy hadn't raked up the sand travit. Also,

(04:32):
you could just follow the footprints and put the ball
back exactly where he had left it, and then he
just smoked it out of the the sound trap and
he was on his way.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
It was a good time, Bears McCallum, irish, Yeah, I mean,
I'm glad you gave him his ball back.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Did you get another one for Tracy with a wee
shamrock on.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
No, there was no other one here, although the Righter's
Cup was one with the ball with a shamrock on it.
Just today. There you go, So there you go. It's
amazing as Natal Dollar Bay Championship golf course. If you
ever get a chance to play it, then play it.
But stick to the rules. Don't go stealing people's balls.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Got mate, That is a great story. Right on to
the show today after three o'clock. So, money, all lack
of it, as we know, can make or break some relationships,
especially when your financial abbots couldn't be more different. There
was an article in the Herald today you can read
it with an unnamed man. He's asking for advice. He's
disciplined with money, but his girlfriend isn't and he doesn't
know if it can work out in.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
The long term. Yeah. So should you only hook up
with people who look at finances the same way as
you do? Or you know, should it be one type person,
one reckless person and so you because if you have
two tight people, nothing ever happens, and you have no
adventures and nothing exciting ever happens. Yep. If you've got
two reckless people, like in the relationship my relationship, then

(05:45):
just all the money flies out of the house. Yeah,
on stupid things.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
So where's the perfect bale holidays? Do you need one
of each?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah? Maybe?

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. That's the
chat after three o'clock, After two o'clock. Honesty is the
best policy. That's how the saying goes. But is it
really Graham Norton He reckons, No, he said in a
recent interviews. Sometimes it's kinder to lie, he says, think
about it. Not every truth is helpful. Sometimes brutal want
to sty just causes pain.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, look, I wrote about this in my book. Actually,
I think that you should never, ever, ever ever lie.
You don't have to openly offer your opinion on everything. Yes, Like,
if someone's wearing a stupid pair of pants, you don't
have to go get a mate, what a stupid pair
of pants? You can just shoulder arms and let that
fly through to the keeper. Yep. But if they ask

(06:31):
you about your pants, you should. It's kinder to say
those are terrible pants, and it is to let them
walk around in terrible pants without anyone pointing out that
they're terrible pants. If you see what I'm saying. Yeah,
So I think you should never lie if you can
possibly help it. Obviously there are edge cases. I believe
that lies, even the little ones, make the world a
slightly worse place.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
That is going to be a spicy chat after two o'clock,
but right now, let's have a chat about this.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
So New Zealand has just reaffirmed.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Its stance it will not recognize a Palestinian state at
this time. So Foreign Minister Winston Peter's made it clear
at the United Nations General Assembly stating that such a
move is not prudent without a negotiated resolution between Israel
and Palestine. Here's a bit of Minister Winston Peters.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
With a war raging harmas still in place, and no
clarity on next steps. We did not think that time
is now. Recognizing Palestine now will likely prove counterproductive. That
is harmas resisting negotiation in the belief that it is

(07:34):
winning the global propaganda war.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
So the argument there from the government Dan Winston Peters
that recognizing Palestine prematurely could undermine the two states solution.
Chris lux And our Prime minister, of course, was asked
about that on News Talk ZB and here's what he said.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
I actually think we got to the right decision and
we made the right decision for New Zealand And which
is confirming our previous position saying we're not if but
complex issue. You know, there's people on all sides that
debate of strong opinions. There's equally people who don't have
any view on it across New Zealand. So I think
we got a good place. Do I think we articulated
our view very well.

Speaker 7 (08:10):
Does it sit comfortably with you in the National Party
as opposed to the government.

Speaker 8 (08:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (08:16):
Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (08:17):
You've got to remember I'm the Prime Minister who made
the designation about Hamas as a terrorist organization and I
believe very very strongly that you can't recognize the state
when terrorists play a significant role in the government and
Hamas is the de facto government of Gaza and what
happened on October seventh utterly unacceptable.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, whereas Chris Hipkins, leader of the opposition, has said
the decision is morally reprehensible and a failure of leadership,
and New Zealand had an opportunity to show leadership here
they have failed. Instead, New Zealand government's turning its back
on Palestine when we see an unfolding genocide and there's
been varying degrees of that being expoused across the country

(08:58):
and the response to it. But our question is a
little bit different, a little bit off the exact topics
of the situation there. We keep hearing that decisions like
this will affect our international reputation. Yet this decision of
New Zealand's hasn't even made the news in Australia. So

(09:22):
we're we're a very small nation in the middle of
the specific both specific I mean specifically the specific nicely done,
very nicely done. Look, we have We've got to be honest,
we've got a bit of main character syndrome. We have
very little influence on the world. So this is the question,
are we spending too much time worrying about events overseas

(09:44):
that we have very little impact on because there is
only so much time, energy, and effort and thought available
within the system of New Zealand and we undoubtedly have problems.
Yet yeah, just you know, individually, culturally, governmentally, should we

(10:05):
be spending more time and energy on things that we
have control on because we spend a lot of time
talking about the situation and other situations around the world,
And as has been said in the past, are people
waiting with baited breath to hear our ruminations on this
particular issue.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Well, Australia wasn't. No, so you've got to wonder who
house is. But can you get your views on this?
So eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty are we
spending too much energy trying to solve something we have
no real control over? I will say, I mean the
headlines and the amount of hours we've been talking about
this and the amount of if it the government has
been considering.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
This, that is a lot.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
It's a lot of productivity hours that has gone into
thinking about what decision is going to be made and
then they've come up with this decision that they're going
to hold hold fire for the time being, and Winston
Peter's made a good case about the reasons for that.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
But all that energy, all that energy, all that energy,
and then you've got the opposition, who are you furious?
And gnashing of teeth and they're angry about that, and
all this time is now taken away from stuff that
we could actually do in New Zealand to make New
Zealand a better place.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeap, the phones have let up, but can to hear
your views on this? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty Have we spent too much energy trying to solve
something we have no real control over when we have
problems at home? Nine to nine Two's the Texas seventeen
past one, the.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between.

Speaker 8 (11:34):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
For a good afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
It's nineteen past one. We are talking about our government's
decision not to at this stage recognize a Palestinian state.
But the question we put to you is has too
much energy being put into talking about this from the
government and others, and do we need to focus on
some of the issues we have at home.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Well yeah, and not just particularly this one, but does
New Zealand spend too much time looking outward at what's
happening in the rest of the world and burning our
energy and our thoughts and ours on that as opposed
to focusing inward? Just generally? Do we have main character
syndrome as a country? Is anyone waiting with baited breath
for what New Zealand has to say on any of

(12:18):
the issues in the world. Hi, guys, I believe if
included in that speech there was some condemnation of Israel,
New Zealanders would have been satisfied. That's from Jen. Have
you got the speech there, Tyler? I believe Whinston Peters
did make mention of Israel.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, absolutely, So the speeches is quite in depth and
you can see it if you just google the speech.
But here's the part here. So they're talking or he
was talking about the decision not to recognize Palestinian statehood.
He said those countries who hope their earlier signaling of
Palestinian statehood recognition would protect and promote the two State
solutions have instead seen the Israeli government snap and continue

(12:55):
its widely condemned military actions in Gaza while continuing to
develop illegal sentiments on the West Bank in defiance of
international law.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
That's pretty damn it.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
And there was another comment in there as well, Cassie,
welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this?

Speaker 10 (13:11):
Yeah, afternoon, lads. Yeah, I guess ferously to answer your question, Yeah,
I think we are spending far too much time and
energy on this. Me personally, I actually agree with what
the government's done. Yeah, because I don't see us recognizing
it as a state having any bearing on the situation
over there. You know, major countries have done it and

(13:33):
it hasn't changed anything on the ground in Palestine, gather
and what have you. And for us, the detrimental effects
are as possibly upsetting some of our major trading partners
and shooting ourselves in the foot economically for very little gain,
and then doing the contrary.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
What things do you think we should focus on outside
of New Zealand, because we can't be completely inward looking,
and we're a long way from being inward looking at
the stage. We're incredibly outward looking country, which you can
imagine why because we're a little nation in this South Pacific,
so you know, there's a lot going outside, but what
kind of things around the world should be worthy of
the time, were worthy of spending a lot of time

(14:12):
governmentally and just individually.

Speaker 10 (14:16):
I just just think that you know, countries that America
and the UK and Ozzy and the likes, the countries
that look after us. I, yeah, things, things turn into chaos,
so to speak. You know, we've got to toe the
line because yeah, military wise, we can't defend ourselves, but
they're going to come to our aid and theories, so

(14:37):
we've sort of got to, you know, fulfill their obligations.
And yeah, you know, wars overseas and that are important.
And then yeah, I don't agree with what Israel's done.
I think they had the right to defend themselves, but
sort of probably taking things a bit fast. That's just
my opinion.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Anyway, I'll think you for your call, Kessie.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
I just not here and part of the speech, and
this is a critical part here he mentions the shift
in the international order from rules to power continues its
malignant path. While the Security Council was effectively paralyzed or
many of the acute geo political challenges it faces. This
inability to act largely our product of the veto power
by the permanent Five impacts on perceptions of the United

(15:18):
Nations broader legitimacy. So effectively any decision that was made,
whether they recognize or not enough how often now the
idea of a Palestinian state effectively what Winston Peters are
saying there. And I tend to agree that the powers
of the United Nations is almost a fast when you've
got those five big countries that have the veto ability,
whether we like it or not, are not in that

(15:39):
leadership position in the world. So no matter what we
do in this situation, it's not going to change one
iota of what's happening over there.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well, i'll tell you what I always find slightly I guess,
disappointing and humiliating, but also you know, it's just reality.
How few people turn up when the neal anyone from
New Zealand speaking at the UN. It's just cricket throughout.
Everyone takes their lunch, everyone's off at the sandwich bar.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
It does hurt a little bit, doesn't it me?

Speaker 2 (16:04):
And the same thing happened to the guy the Primister
of Finland as well. Yeah, with very few people here
for the five million person countries. Not everyone lines up.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number of goal. How do you feel about the energy
put into deciding whether Palestinian is a state or not?
And should we reinvest those energies back here at home
for the problems we have.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
It's twenty four.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Past one, the headlines and the hard questions. It's the
Mic Hosking Breakfast time.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Minster Chrystal luctioners with us.

Speaker 7 (16:31):
Will you be anticipating some more angsty questions over Palestine?

Speaker 6 (16:34):
Are highly likely, very happy to address the Palestine question
because I actually think we got to the right decision,
which is confirming our previous position saying we're not if
But I think we got to a good place. Don't
think we articulated our view very well.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
Does it sit comfortably with you in the National Party
as opposed to the government.

Speaker 8 (16:51):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (16:52):
You've got to remember I'm the Prime Minister who made
the designation about Hamas as a terrorist organization and I
believe very very strongly that you can't recognize a state
when terrorists play a significant role in the government.

Speaker 7 (17:02):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk zb.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Afternoon twenty seven past one, Kat says Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
No, we are not spending too much energy on the
Palestine situation. Huge numbers of people are dying that should
never be ignored. Like it or not, we are an
interconnected world and when we share that interconnectedness in our
hearts and with our humanity, it speaks gallons on the
global forum. Love her or not? Just in his response
during the christ Church mosque shooting was meaningful and shone

(17:33):
a positive light on New Zealand. Thanks you for your text.
And ten times more people are killed in Ukraine over
the past year. Why hasn't Hipkins focused on that? Says
this text, Let's go to die. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 11 (17:47):
Oh hi guys. I think we do need to be
aware and it does affect who chooses to invest with us.
So it is connected to what's going on outside to
what happens inside. And a good example of this is
the government's currently calling for a lot of moneyed investors

(18:08):
to invest in New Zealand and bring business here. Correct. Right,
So when we look at the Peter Teel situation, a
lot of people don't realize that Peter Tel is planetar.
You know what planetar is. No Planetar is the AI.

(18:30):
It's the technology technology that's being used by the Israel
government to attack and bomb the Palestinians.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
But Peter Taylor isn't Peter Tailor isn't in New Zealand anymore.

Speaker 11 (18:45):
He's still got his citizenship. And if you look up
and see read up Citizen Teal, it actually tells you
he was involved in the Trump election. He sponsored JD Vance,
he's politically minded, he's behind Israel. You know when you
look and see that these guys, the technology guys are

(19:08):
investing in New Zealand and we're calling Look at Judith
Collins calling for so.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
You think that that's this not this this speech at
the UN helps or hinders investment into New Zealand.

Speaker 11 (19:25):
It hinders. But also if we wanted to be serious
about doing the right thing.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
And that's Peter Teel's a billionia that was looking to
invest in New Zealand and I'm not I'm not sure.
I'll just take you at your word that he is
involved in some way in the situation, then surely it
wouldn't affect his you know, his his willingness to invest
in New Zealand.

Speaker 11 (19:49):
We don't want that kind of people. We are that
immediately places us. We are connected. We we are not
even looking at you know.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
What, what what what kind of people do you want
investing in New Zealand.

Speaker 11 (20:05):
We don't want people who involved in such brutal, inhumane
activity is what Israel. Israel's conduct is doing over there, So.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
You would would you also would you also deny I know,
Saudi Arabian investment or Chinese investment in New Zealand on
those grounds.

Speaker 11 (20:26):
It needs to be looked at and we need to
be aware and a lot of the New Zealand people
are not aware because quite often it's glossed over. So
we need to look and see the connections. And we
want to have a moral stand on it because we
did really well when we stood up against apartheid, and
we should be standing up against Israel's conduct now. We

(20:48):
should be boycotting them and we should have sanctions against Israel.
So even if the government doesn't want to declear them,
pealsin in a state now we should be making a
clear stance of what we believe is good behavior and
what we don't approve of.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Well, thank you very much. I just got to say
quickly this idea of caltowing to the likes of Peter Theo.
I don't know what is involvement is in the conflict,
if any, but I think that that's absolutely nonsense. I mean,
he was trying to invest in a large property in
Queenstown that got voted down by the council and the
Environment Court. So any idea that the speech was somehow

(21:26):
in relation to cal towing or appeasing billionaires, I just
think is nonsense. Right, it is twenty nine to two
bagfy surely, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
a number.

Speaker 12 (21:36):
To core.

Speaker 8 (21:39):
Youse talks.

Speaker 13 (21:39):
They'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis It's no trouble
with a blue bubble. Four Christian leaders have changed themselves
to the door of Minister Erikus Stanford's Brown's may electorate office,
asking the government to commit to sanctioning Israel. It's announced
we won't yet recognize Palestinian statehood. This month, six clerics
changed themselves to Nikola Willis's Johnsonville electorate office for thirty

(22:02):
two hours and for others who are trespassed from Simming
and Brown's office. Six people have been injured and State
Highway one is blocked north of Turdangi after a crash
at Totongatopaw Bridge just before midday. Police have rescued a
tramper who fell from a great height into a steep
and narrow canyon at Little Akatarawa River yesterday near Upper Hut,

(22:23):
receiving moderate injuries. Lisa pausing physical searches for missing christ
Church seventeen year old Marley and asking people in Sumner
and Scarborough to review CCTV or doorbell camera footage from
Friday services. This police remembrance Day in Pontidua and Nelson
have paid tribute to police Sergeant Lynn Fleming who died

(22:44):
in the line of duty on New Year's Day. They
were horrible. Martacopa locals claimed police harrissment and Tom Phillips search.
Read more at enz at Herald Premium. Now back to
matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Thank you very much, Scarlets.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
So we're talking about Winston Peter's speech at the un
about recognizing a Palestinian state and New Zealand along with Germany, Italy, Japan,
South Korea and a bunch of nations not recognizing a
Palatine the state. But we're sort of trying to talk
about a slightly different issue to the side of it,
which is, are we spending too much of our time

(23:18):
and energy, both governmentally and individually on things that we
cannot control? And are we, you know, for a want
of better a word, suffering a little bit of main
character syndrome and thinking that the world cares what we
have to say on the issue Die rang through before,
and she said that she thinks that we need to

(23:38):
care about it, largely due to Peter Field.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, but what do you say, Chris your thoughts?

Speaker 14 (23:44):
Yes, good afflents. Look, I feel sorry for it, you know,
people that aren't satisfied that we didn't follow suit like
other countries in the Palestine drama. But as far as
I'm concerned, we've got enough problems at our own in
our own country, and we need to look after our

(24:05):
own affairs they worry about. You know, I understand there's
a lot of life over there gone bad, but you know, well,
people die every day. But at the end of the day,
we've got to put a fine line on what's needed
and our own and sort out our own problems and

(24:27):
difficulties around that, because yes, we are too much worrying
about other countries' problems when their governments should be standing
up and doing something about it instead of us having
as safe we can't do anything about it where any
can say but it's not going to work and change
anything and the outcome of it and and that, and

(24:51):
I'm glad the government has decided no.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
So do you spend Do you spend much time online
Chris reading about world affairs? I'm just if I just
bring this right down to an individual every day.

Speaker 14 (25:03):
I listen to it every day. I hear it every day,
and I mean, yeah, to extent. But when I hear it,
and you know, when we've got our own issues, well,
why does it bother me? I mean, at the end
of the day, we've got a lot of things that
we need to sort out here, and like you said,

(25:24):
we're spending too much time crying and weeping over something else.
And I understand there's problems over there and we need
to stand up, but we can't meet the decisions for
that country that's got the problems. They've got to, you know,
deal with it and make the choices.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
What do you say to people that talk about it
entirely like Die was talking about it in terms of
investment and that if we don't make stands internationally, then
that can affect us economically.

Speaker 14 (25:56):
Well, I think, well, at the end of the day,
I didn't even know any investment from Well Israel or
Peloton was was actually well they're or not a New
Zealan But I don't know much about that. But all
I can say is is that, well, well, I think

(26:23):
were this. You know, I think it comes down to stuff.
I think we have to really sometimes have to say
no or yes in many situations. But I think New
Zealand's too scared to say no and that's why we're
And maybe investment is going.

Speaker 15 (26:41):
To come or not.

Speaker 14 (26:43):
But that's an individual choice. If someone wants to invest
in his own well then then be yeah, well then
that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Thank you for you, cal Chris appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Yeah, thank you very much for your thoughts. So taking
your calls on one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Should
we be focusing on our challenges closer to home instead
of getting entangled in a conflict half a world away.
Love to hear your thoughts. Ninety two nine to two
is the text number as well. It is twenty one
to two.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
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Speaker 4 (27:16):
Very good afternoon Juit is eighteen to two. So we're
talking about Palestine Israel conflict. Are we made a mistaking
moral outrage for actual impact when recognition or condemnation changes
nothing on the ground, And should we be focusing on
the problems we've got here?

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah? Do we have main character syndrome where we're trying
to spend too much of our energy on stuff we
cannot affect? This text, it disagrees what that president last
caller would be. Would he be happy if New Zealand
got invaded and no other country cared or took a
stand on mass deaths? I mean that's an interesting point,
isn't it that as a small country, maybe you need

(27:53):
to be heard what your opinion is. So if for
whatever reason you get in trouble people can't go, well,
they didn't seem to care before when this happened to us. Yeah,
so that's maybe a bit of a push back there. George,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 15 (28:07):
Yeah, thank you. This whole discussion, please bear with me,
reminds me of the froth on the water on my bathtub.
When it's all bubbles. Eventually it will all go away
when I pulled the plug out and it's all gone
down with the water down the plug hole, and it's

(28:27):
all come to an end.

Speaker 16 (28:29):
Now.

Speaker 15 (28:29):
The reason I say this is because mister Winston's Peter
stood up and named Nighted Nations made his speech. One
of the attendees in that room was someone that had
in front of him State of Palestine written on the label.
That country is already recognized, and mister Winston Peters spoke

(28:54):
to him. They also recognize New Zealand. We do not
have a situation where the State of Palestine does not exist.
It's in the United Nations. It is a country that
votes on world affairs. My question is what is all this?
Who are about when the State of Palestine already exists.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Well, I guess there's a complexity there, George, because what's
happening in the West Bank where you've got the Palestinian
authority is one thing. But Gaza voted for Hummas. So
Gaza is completely controlled by Hummas and they are two
totally different areas that are separated by land mass.

Speaker 15 (29:29):
That's not the issue. The issue is both pieces of
land are called Palestine. The Palestine Authority, yes, they live
in the West Bank, and they have denounced Hamas for
what they've done and who they are, and want nothing
to do with them and want them out of Palestine.
They've stood up. I've watched the speech by the Palestinian
guy saying all this, that he wanted the Hamas out

(29:53):
because they are simply a terrorist group wrecking Palestine.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yes, so in that situation, if we're only dealing with them,
then we're not doing then what happens to all the
people in Gaza.

Speaker 15 (30:06):
They are represented of the people of Yeah, but they
did a takeover, remember, and kick the other guys out.

Speaker 12 (30:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, but in two thousand and seven Hamas was elected
as as the government in the Gaza region.

Speaker 15 (30:22):
Yes, but what I'm saying, they're not on the United Nations.
They don't appear there in presence. The Palestinian Authority does,
and they are what the world recognizes. They don't recognize
Hamas as a legitimate authority. And yet here we are
trying to say, oh, we've got to change track, denounce

(30:42):
Watson the United Nations and put in another place the
Palestinians with Hamas.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
But you can see the complexity and the you know,
it's it's such a complex situation going on in George,
sort of same. Palestine already exists in some circumstance, and
clearly Hamas government exists in the Gaza strip. But going
back to the main reason why Winston leaders and the
government said that it's not the right time to recognize

(31:12):
an overall Palestinian state is because they felt it was
going to impact the two state solution in the idea
of jumping into the quagmire as it clearly is is
not going to be helpful to achieve that. But thank
you very much, George for your call. Tony, how are.

Speaker 17 (31:28):
You good afternoon, gentlemen. A brief history of the non
existent state of Palestine. Palestine has only existed as a
part of the Roman Empire, which covered all of what
we call the Middle East. It was subsequently consumed by

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the Ottoman Empire, which at its peak went from Algeria
to Vienna and out to as far as the Russian
the old Russian borders. Garzas started to exist as a
refugee camp at the end of World War Two, when
the otto An Empire was sub was defeated by the

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Allies and it stayed that way for many years while
the rest of the Middle East was divided up into
roughly what the borders are now. They've had various politic
excuse the voice, they've very changes in between. That Gaza
has never ever been a state of anything. The United Nations,

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in its wisdom, when it wants to change the world
after in the last fifty years, has chosen to create
well to acknowledge, a Palestinian state which largely covers what
we called the West Bank, because which have in the
minds of the Allies after World War One, it had

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already been created and called it Jordan. Trans Jordan, which
covers the West Bank used to be the western part
of the State of Jordan, which is a pretty successful,
happily integrated nation within the United Nations. Assyria didn't even exist,

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notwithstanding the fact that the Muscus has existed as a city.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
So that's a historical record. So that doesn't mean that
you know, states are formed and not formed, and recognized
and not recognized over time. So does what bearing does
that have on recognizing a Palestinian states? But it could exist,
of I mean, things just exist because humans say that

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we changed the debate.

Speaker 17 (33:46):
We got to the United Nations and said, hey, guys,
let's have another state and in the release and let's
call it Gaza.

Speaker 9 (33:55):
Oh, let's call it.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
What do you think about? What do you think about
the question that we're discussing today, Tony? Do you think
that New Zealand spends too much time and energy on
events that we can't affect? If and that's an assumption
that we don't have any effect.

Speaker 17 (34:12):
Entirely, you wouldn't have time to watch question time in
Parliament because it's between two and three o'clock. All the
Green Party to do now is it is is turn
up with these checker scarves on and to ask the
government it it's given the opportunity to ask about the
states of our nation. I think there are a lot

(34:34):
of eight questions and sort six or eight questions as
there are the other parties, and all we talk about
is bloody Palestine. And now, if we thought we had
a problem, or if they thought we had a problem
in New Zealand with poverty, with race, relationships, with the ecology,

(34:54):
why aren't they asking those questions?

Speaker 2 (34:58):
What do you think considering the level of problems we
have in New Zealand, then we don't have you know,
it's hard to quantify that. And what percentage of time
do you think a party should spend on these international
issues and what percentage you think they should spend on
well local issues.

Speaker 17 (35:14):
I think we spent a wonderful amount of time with it.
I mean, I don't hold them much truck for Winston Peters,
but you've got to give it to him. When he
makes a speech on Peorer relations, you sit up and listen,
because he's been doing it for decades and he does
it very very well.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Do you think the rest of the world set up
and listened, though, Tony, do you think that what Winston
Peters said, you know, reverberated around the world or do
you think any.

Speaker 17 (35:42):
He made our statement in the World Forum, He stated
our case as we see it, or as our government
president government sees it, so be it.

Speaker 16 (35:53):
And that was.

Speaker 17 (35:54):
Quite unequivocal, carefully thought out and very very well presented,
albeit just smothered up in a few seconds by Television
New Zealand because it didn't suit their agenda.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Oh thank you so much for you called, Tony. Yeah,
appreciate it. The Sixcess Palestine is a non member observer
of the United Nations that are they are not a member.
So there's I mean, it was confusing when they were
talking about that, but there's there's someone sitting there with
the Palestine you know message. What do you call that tag? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (36:24):
The diplomat well you know the way we tag there
the desk. Yeah, what do you call that a dog?

Speaker 14 (36:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:32):
The name tag? Yeah, not a name, name tags on you.
Whatever you've put on the disk that says Palestine on it.
We will get to the bottom of that. That is
the most pressing issue working out. One of those things
is called so nineteen two's and that's something we can solve.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah, that is something we consol But can you get
your views? So at one undred and eighty ten eighty,
should we be focusing on challenges closer to home instead
of getting entangled in the Palestinian Israeli conflict?

Speaker 3 (36:56):
That is eight to two.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty Tight, it's Matt Heath.

Speaker 8 (37:04):
And Tylor Adams afternoons news Dog said, be.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
News talks there be it is six to two.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
So we can solve one issue here today, Yes we can,
And I was asking, what's the thing that says the
thing on the front of the desk of the people
at the UN and it's a nameplate, but this is
state of Palestine.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
It's a name plate nameplate. That is huge.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yep, that is huge.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
That is a job well done. We can take their box.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
But they they're a they're not a member. Yes, they're observing.
So that's why the speech was whether we recognize Palestinian
state or not. Welcome to show, Melissa, Hi, So.

Speaker 18 (37:42):
Just on your first point, do we have a main
characters in drome in the country? I think in general yes,
So I find it quite weird. And you know, there's a
Jimmy Fallon show and it mentions New Zealand and then
all of a sudden we're all talking about whether we
appreciated their feedback or something.

Speaker 17 (37:57):
Quite weird.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, yep, we do love that.

Speaker 18 (37:59):
But really, are we spending too much time on this
on this one issue kind of suggests that it's binary, right,
you know, you wouldn't say, should we be tooking about
education at a time that there's also issues with infrastructure.
We've got government departments that are funded for foreign affairs
and they don't stop stop working because we're currently talking

(38:19):
about that. They kind of all exist at the same time.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, what about individual? What about individually? Melissa? Like, if
you know, someone's spending a lot of time online and
this is taking up their emotional level, their empathies flying off.
Meanwhile parts of their actual life and family life are
drifting because they're so focused on this. And I know
people like this that are just absolutely obsessed with this conflict.

(38:46):
Do you think that can go too far? Are you
seeing any of that?

Speaker 18 (38:50):
I don't know if well, it's probably a different question
to the question at hand, But also is that is
that probably on a personal level, whether someone's spending too
much online across a number of issues. But really, I
think you know, with global citizens, you all just talked
about a holiday to Fiji. We care about our community.
Where would you drop that line if you went to

(39:11):
Feture and you sort of said, oh, look, there's all
these social issues going on here, but I'm here to holiday.
I don't really care about how these people live or
or you know, within the community. You could take I
don't know the other guy's name who called on MUSSA.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Sorry, Melissa, we're going to have to go to an
we've got the news coming in fast and we can't
stop it, so we might trunk you back to you
just after the break, if that's all right.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
Yeah, sure, thank you very much. Just told their new
sport and weather is fast approaching. Great to have your
company is always O eight hundred and eighty teen eighty
is the number to call. You're listening to Matt and Tyler,
stay right here back soon.

Speaker 8 (39:46):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons News Dogs.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
It'd be very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
So we have been talking about the government's decision not
to recognize a Palestinian state at this time for our
Minister Winston Peter's made it clear at the United Nations
General Assembly, stating that such a move was not prudent
without a negotiated resolution between Israel and Palestine.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, So, as we often try and do on the show,
we're attempting to have a somewhat philosophical debate on the issue,
and to be honest, we're swimming upstream with that because
it's a big issue to try and have a philosophical
debate on. So, you know, as I was saying, for
we keep hearing these decisions like this affect our international reputation.

(40:33):
But even Australia didn't report widely on what we've said
at the UN and not a lot of people there.
And as we said before, we're a small nation in
the middle of the Pacific and we have very little
influence on the world. So the question Tyler and I
have been trying to ask, are we spending too much
time worrying about events overseas that we have little or

(40:53):
no effect on. You know, there's only so much time
and energy for our government and us individually to sort
out the problems we have here. Should we be spending
more time and energy, both governmentally, culturally and individually on
things that we can control? I mean, it goes back
to the Great Marcus Ralis. I think it was actually

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probably Epictetus that said this, But Marcus Ralius, whatever, the
great Stoics, some things are in our control while others
are not. We can control our opinion, choice, desire, aversion,
and in a word, everything of our own doing. We
don't control our body, property, reputation, position, in a word,
everything not of our own doing. And the Stoic principle

(41:35):
is you go through and you work out what you
can control and you can have a positive influence on,
and you focus most of your energies there. So no
one's denying that we should be focusing some of our
attention on international affairs. Absolutely, that would be crazy. And
as the text that says, follow the politics or the
politics will follow you, yep. But the question is are

(41:56):
we spending too much time on these international issues that
we have a very small effect on. Yep.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Oh at one hundreds oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
And we're having a great chat about this very issue
with Melissa before the news came in like a steamroller
and we had to let you go. So sorry, sorry
about that, So welcome back. So your position on this is,
if you could, if you could get us up to
speed again, just to sum us up those people that
are just tuning in.

Speaker 18 (42:27):
Yeah, just sort of around. It's not really a binary
issue that you would only have the government focus on
one saying that other than the other, that we can
we can be doing these things at the same time
as local issues as well as international and just kind
of thinking about us as global citizens and new Zealanders
are pretty international in general, so do we kind of
does that match our social fabric and moral fabric that

(42:49):
we want to turn a blind eye to something that
we can see that's happening and just consider it not
our problem. I don't think that's who we are historically.

Speaker 19 (42:57):
Yeah, would you what would you say.

Speaker 18 (43:02):
Going to have any impacts? Probably not. But then the
question is, well, then what should New Zealand do otherwise
to recognize something really terrible going on? What does that
look like? Because it can't be nothing.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Well, what would you say? You know, people, and this
is around a lot and you know Bill Mayer was
talking about it the other day and his show about
the situation in Nigeria, in the situation in South to down.
So when you say that we turn to turn a
blind eye to things, there are so many horrific things
happening in the world, and what's happening in Gaza is

(43:35):
one of these incredibly horrific things. But do you think,
for whatever reason, our focus has turned on to some
things rather than others. So we are actually all turning
a blind eye to some things, whether we like it
or not. Melissa, I think some.

Speaker 18 (43:53):
Get more attention at a time out of need. Right,
that's a volume of deaths that have been incurred against
Palacinian people by the Israelis at the moment, it's just
you know, to a level that's well, while what's going
on in the Kong Go in Southdain it's really bad,
that's not the level and the degree of you know,

(44:14):
Israel relies on international governments providing them with within reds,
providing them with funding to kill from the States. So
it unfortunately just is a global issue that imhaps other countries.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Yeah, I mean, I mean some people and there's some
times some estimates are that four hundred thousand people have
been killed in South Sudan civil wars between you know,
that was just between twenty thirteen and two thousand and eighteen,
and that that sort of continues on. So there are
ongoing absolute horrors in that region of the world.

Speaker 18 (44:50):
So then that kind of increases the value and importance
of an effect of view in where you've got people
that are charged with or issued an arrest warrant by
the UN that can be action or that these and
similar to what you're kind of identify fying of wins.
In Peter's commentary on the ineffectiveness of the UN Security

(45:13):
Council as it is currently structured. It's true, that just
means that this world order or this kind of global
function of the UN is really important for countries places
like Congo, like South Sudan, like Palestine, who outside of
that have very little power and ability to improve their lives.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
So do you think it's the magnitude of the situation
that's causing so much concentrated energy from New Zealand on
the situation in Gaza as opposed to these other ones,
Because I wonder if it's potentially because of a lot
of it's to do with our US focus and that
you know, the social media companies come out of US,

(45:55):
and we're very focused on the US, so what they're
focused on, we become focused on. Do you think there's
any truth in that, Melissa?

Speaker 18 (46:04):
Probably in a lot of ways, New Zealand has some
kind of weird obsession with America, right, But it's how
egregious it is. It's the degree of corruption that's going on.
You've got apex funding both the Democrats and the Republicans.
You've got left wing governments in Australia and in the UK,
and a right wing in New Zealand, and they're all
making the same decisions on as one country, and it

(46:26):
just it doesn't sit right with people to watch these
babies and children be sorted in this way and to
see that there's some kind of corruption and fraud going
on with one country then having the right to just
permit these atrocities which are widely recognized consistently as being

(46:48):
war crimes and committing internet breaking international law, that kind
of how.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Do you feel about how do you feel about with
all this and you know, how do you feel about
har Maas and what harmas is doing to the people
in Palestine.

Speaker 18 (47:05):
Yeah, I think that har mass is a natural result
of the lives that they've had to live under. I
think if you came to my home and killed my
family in my face, took controlled my electricity, my water,
my ability to own my own home, you restricted my
ability to move in and out of the country, you
destabilize my entire government, I'd probably be kind of angry.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Kind of angry is one thing. But what happened on
October seven is what happened on October seven is you know,
by whatever, whatever however you sit on it, what happened
on October seven was horrific beyond imagination.

Speaker 18 (47:44):
The degree of crimes that have been happening against Palestine
for a very long time. You know, you really look
at October seven, Wasn't that bad in comparing the scale
of atrocities that have been going on against Palestinians for
this whole century?

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Do you think do you think just going back to
the topic that we're originally talking about, do you think
so you know, you say that there is enough energy
for us to look at a lot of things, and
that's that's true. I always find annoying when someone says,
why is someone dealing with this when there's this happening,
and you go, well, people can deal with multiple things
at the same time. They can keep many balls in
the air. But do you think and do you think
there is anything in the idea that you can just

(48:22):
be overrun? And I believe the algorithms of the social
media companies are responsible to a certain extent for this,
well a large extent where you just get fed the
horror and the horror and the horror and the horror
because that engages you and it keeps you coming coming,
coming back for more. And can you can you can
you see how that could potentially take away your focus

(48:45):
from I would say, your responsibilities go from your family,
and then you know your immediate family, than your wider family,
than your community, than you than your country. Can you
see how that that there could be that nefarious algorithmic
pressure on people and as a result, individuals and countries
spend more time, even though you can do a lot

(49:07):
of things at once, they spend more time then is
due to be spent in one area.

Speaker 18 (49:13):
I still I hear what you're saying, but I still
do think it's it's the witnessing the gross injustice and
the terrible atrocities that it is making people just feel
so engrossed by it to just think, how how can
this two years later be happening to these four kids
and these people who aren't being given refugee status. No
one's taken them in as refugees, But where do you

(49:35):
go to avoid it? And I think that can be
really overwhelming for people.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
But based on what Winston Peters said to the un Assembly,
do you not see that nuance, Melissa?

Speaker 4 (49:45):
And this is what I get a bit confused by
the outrage of saying that we're not taking a stance
here and he made pretty clear the atrocities committed by
Israel and by Hermas and it is devastation and the
words here in New Zealand is deeply troubled by the
humanitarian disasters in Gaza and around the world.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
So that is a stance there.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
And the reason that we haven't recognized Palestinian as a
state is because our country and our government beliefs that
will be detrimental to ending this conflict. And I think
that's the nuance there that people have missed.

Speaker 18 (50:17):
So there's about one hundred and ninety two UN member states, right,
and something like a one fifty have recognized talesign. So
are we really going to be the one of the
forty two that we know better than everyone else that
now is not the right time. And also around that
point of timing being wrong. Part of it is around
the fact that Israel to Sohoto to annex the West

(50:40):
Bank and control that. So it does have some relevance,
even if it is minor, around saying, well, you know,
the global community is saying no, you know, you know,
we won't accept that as an action.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Well, thank you for you call, Melissa, appreciate and thanks
for hanging out over the news.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Yeah, very thoughtful. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. It is seventeen past two.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Bag very shortly, Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad
Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh wait.

Speaker 8 (51:09):
News talk said.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
Afternoon, it is twenty past two. A heap texts coming
through A nine two nine two.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Hi there. I cannot believe what this woman is saying.
The swarped idea that October the seventh was not by
Barrack is abhorrent. As soon as she said the word binary,
I knew that what this was about. This is ridiculous,
says this texta in response to Melissa. The Palestinians don't
want their own states, says Ken. They've been offered it
three times before. All they want is the Jews to

(51:38):
be wiped off the face of the earth. And that's
a fact, according to Ken. Hi, Matt and Tyler, Hey,
this is on what we were trying to talk about. Yep, okay, good,
Hi Matt and Tyler. Absolutely, we need to concentrate more
on New Zealand issues. Look after your own backyard first.
That doesn't mean that the horrific world events are not
important and aside, Matt, just finished reading your book well down.

(51:59):
I found it very helpful. I've brought a copy for
a family member and hoping it will help them. Cheers, Stephen.
I don't know that second part was coming through in folks, didn't.
I try and avoid the self sourcing, but sometimes it
just comes through.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
They good on you, Stephen nicely said. And this one
from Michelle GeTe Matt and Tyler. I don't think it's
a matter of turning a blind eye. It is just
so overwhelming, and I think that sums up a lot
of it, that it is one of those things that
most of us have no control over, and it is overwhelming.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
For a lot of people. But there are genuine problems
right here on home that we do have the power
to try and change, and there are big problems. A
lot of people are worried about the economy. That's a
big problem.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yes, So maybe the question is how much of your
life you should spend on things that you don't really
have a lot of control over. And yeah, I mean,
as this person says, if you follow the politics of
the politics, follow you. And I've had huge arguments with
my dad about this actually, because I say, you know,
you're spending too much of your time, you know, on

(53:02):
certain issues, yes, and he goes, yeah, but you need
to know the issues of the world. And I absolutely
absolutely agree with it. But you know, if the algorithm
is just freeding you this horror and this horror and
this horror and this horror to the point where you
are being distracted from time with your kids, or time
with your friends, or time with your family, or opportunities
to do good in your own community. You know, you

(53:24):
could be helping with the charity, you could be doing
a number of things. You know, you could be helping
friends that are in need. And there's a mental health
crisis in this country. You could be you could be
helping friends. So you know, it might be worth just
taking an audit and going how much of my time
and energy am I spending on issues that are being

(53:48):
that are coming through my Instagram feed or my TikTok feed.
You know, it might just be worth doing an audit.
Maybe it's worth ninety five percent, Maybe it's worth five percent,
Maybe it's worth three percent. Who knows, Maybe it's worth
thirty percent of your emotional time and your political energy.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Nicely put do the calculation.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Only ten percent of people have voted so far in
the Auckland local election.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
We don't care about that, apparently, right, it is twenty
three past two.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Back in a month.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
SIV afternoon to you. It is twenty five past two.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
The sexer says, you muppets must see the irony of
suggesting that we potentially spend too much time talking about
issues that we can't control, whilst you have spent an
hour and a half talking about an issue you claim
we may not be able to control.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
It's a very good point, all right, Wow, let's move
on to a shoe we can control then exactly, Let's
move on.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
But great discussion, and these have a chat about is
it okay to lie? So we've all heard that honesty
is the best policy, but is it really? Graham Norton,
with years of experience as an agony uncle have sort,
said in a recent interview that no, sometimes it's kinda
to lie, he said, think about it. Not every truth
is how Sometimes brutal honesty just causes pain and nobody

(55:11):
thinks you for that.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Yeah, well, I disagree one hundred percent. I think he's
a fantastic broadcaster, potentially the best interview of the world's
ever known. Absolutely loves show and you know, love when
Kiwi's on there. To go back to our main character syndrome,
Absolutely love when there's a Kiwi in the red chair.
We've made some incredible appearances there. Interviewed Graham Norton a
couple of times, actually, and phenomenal gentlemen. Ye loves loves

(55:36):
of wine.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Seems very nice.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
And his wine is fantastic, lovely wine then vivo stuff.
But I think he's wrong entirely here. I think that
I think lying is you should absolutely try not to lie. Absolutely,
I think you should lie as as as little as possible. Lies,
even the little ones, and in my humble opinion, make

(55:58):
the world a worst place.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Wo See, I've got to say, I believe I agree
with you that lies are a bad thing. But I'm
with Graham Norton here. Clearly, there there are some moments
where you need to bend the truth or a little
bit of a white lie to briteke someone's overall feelings,
because that brutal honesty is going to cause nothing but
grief for both parties.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
No. No, I think people that work in business here,
you know, people that run businesses here, say, for example,
if you run a cafe. Let's just give an example.
You run a cafe and you come over and you've
served a meal to people, and they don't want to
give you the brutal truth that that meal wasn't good.
So they say, and you go, how is everything? You go, great,
thank you, even though all the way up to that

(56:42):
point you've been complaining to your partner about that meal,
but you don't want to give them the brutal of
truth because you know, you don't want to hurt their feelings.
As a result, they keep serving terrible meals and they
go out of business. So I think honesty is actually
a gift someone telling the truth, and you should not
be offended by honesty. If something's true, how can you
be offended by it? Someone tells you the truth, then

(57:04):
you thank them for the information. You can't be offended
by the true truth.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
This is gonna be going.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
And and if what someone says is not true, then
how can you be offended by that? Because that's just
it's not true. It's not it's ridiculous. So it has
no meaning if it's if it's if it's not true,
it has no meaning. If it is true, it's information.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
That's very logical. But what do you say? Oh, one
hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call? Is
it ever okay to tell a lie?

Speaker 2 (57:29):
I love to hear your thoughts, Matton Tyler. If you
misses us, do these genes make my ass look big?
Do you tell her the truth? If you're met. Yes,
that's one of the edge cases that we'll talk about.
Jus talks.

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Speaker 4 (58:58):
Thank you very much, Scarlett. So we're talking about line.
This is on the back of an interview Graham Norton
has just done. He said, years of experience as an
agony uncle of sorts. It was asked a question, is
it ever oak to lie? And he said, absolutely, is it?
Sometimes it is kind of to lie. Think about it.
Not every truth is helpful. Sometimes brudge of honesty is
just too cruel.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah, And I'm saying that you should always attempt to
tell the truth. And I'm not saying that I always
get there. I'm saying that there are times when you know,
I catch myself not telling telling untruth, but I know
that that's not the right path. YEA Morally, Morally, yeah,
I disagree with Graham Norton. And that's rare that I
disagree with Graham Utan because I absolutely love the man. Yeah,
that's no lie, and that is no lie. That is

(59:40):
the truth, the brutal truth. But I think that the
telling of lies complicates your life, and telling lies is
an excellent way to complicate your life and pile on
stress stress, whether you it's untrue statements, creating misleading impressions,
hiding secrets. It all comes out as about twenty five
thousand people just texted through, that's a lie. Three people

(01:00:03):
texted through. What a wicked we weave when first we
practice to as Shakespeare's here, oh very nice, beautiful as
gross exaggeration for effect alive, it probably is embellishing. Is
that a lie? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
I think embellishing was clearly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
But no one really thought it was twenty five thousands.
There is a lot of them coming through though. Scenario
you're building a house. The process is incredibly painful, and
you face every challenge possible and the process turns into
a negative cost the experience. The client asks for an
update and how is everything going. Do you put a
negative mark on their dream home? Or do you tell
them it's going to be great as the end product

(01:00:37):
is going to be what they asked for?

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
And you would say to that, you would be brutally honest.
And the someone was building their dream home and you
came along and it looked god awful, you would say
brutally in and say, hey, look, I don't I don't
know how to tell this to you, but your house looks.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Creep I mean that that's a real edge case, there,
isn't it. So someone's just finished something that they've got
a giant mortgage on. This is what you're saying. Yeah,
so someone's got a giant mortgage on a place they're
moved and there's no way out, and you say, they
ask you what you think of their house?

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Yeah, So that is a tough one, isn't it. That
is a really tough one. I mean, maybe you dodge
the question and you change tech.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Well, George says, he texted, has texted, and if the
truth hurts you, then you are most likely living in
a lie. That's what my grandfather told me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Why why is grandfather?

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
But I've got to say, you know, I mean, call
me out here if you think that I'm getting on
my high horse here. But generally, when I lie, I
think I am doing it for altruistic reasons that those
white lies, I don't gain anything from it. All I
gain from it is hopefully sparing the feelings of someone
that I'm talking to. So for example, you know, friend

(01:01:50):
gets a new haircut and the barber's absolutely butchered the
head of here, but they are pretty toughed on it.
Maybe they're feeling a little bit, you know, I don't know,
is this any good? And they asked and say, hey, Tyler, Direckon,
my haircut.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Looks pretty good. And I think, yeah, it's really nice.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
They've done a really good job, even though I know
they'vetely butchered.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Well, I guess that's it's a question of opinion, And
I'm not sure if I trust your taste to be
brutally honest on a discussion about honesty, Tyler. But aren't
you just making it that they aren't you? If they
find out that the haircut is ridiculous. So let's take
it to a stupid pair of pants or a stupid
shirt that everyone you know, everyone's going to laugh at
because it's the same thing, right, Yeah, they got a

(01:02:29):
free shirt on and they said do you think this
looks good? And you go yes, and then they go
out and everyone they run into things. They're ridiculous. So
you have not hurt their feelings there, but you haven't
helped them protect their reputation.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
There's a fair point.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
What about this one here? This is another edu case.
Your dad has Alzheimer's. Your mom died ten years ago.
When he asked where his mum and you say she's dead,
he is up upset every time. Yeah, so you potentially
get into a situation where you traumatize your father over
and over and over again. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
See that is a tough one. That is a massive,
huge case there when it comes to white lives.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
And another one, I wait underd at eighty ten eighty
in business, have you ever had a situation in business
with someone Because I believe that New Zealand businesses and
art is harsh because I've done a bit of business
in Australia and Australians are great because they just tell
you they don't like the ideas straight up yep, or
they do and they're honest about it. They'll go nah, nah,
done it before boring what else you got and you

(01:03:29):
move on. But I feel like New Zealanders in business
will bleed you dry with faint praise and lead you
on because they don't want to be the person that
puts you down. And as a result, you can do
a whole lot of damage because you are putting more
resources into developing the idea. You're spending more time talking
to them and organizing meetings that you could be doing

(01:03:49):
something else, or changing your ideas such that they want
to invest in it. So I think in business honesty
is so very important. And you know, just on a
basic level, going back to that cafe example before, if
you're in a shop and someone asks you for feedback,
you're not helping them by protecting their feelings because the
next customer, you know, there's places that I go to

(01:04:12):
and if the coffee is bad, I just never go back. Yeah,
But you know if they ask you about that and
you say the coffee's great, then then you're doing more.
You're doing them damage.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Yeah, that's a very fair point. Business owners, cafe owners, hospitality.
Are we too polite in this country and do we
avoid actually telling the truth and just vote with our feet?

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
I think that's a fair point. That is something keywis do.
This person says if you lie, you have to have
an excellent memory. Most people don't. That's a good point
because you then taking up so much of your cognitive
ability to that you know the truth without having to
do anything about it. You don't have to hold a
lot of things in the air, but if you start
telling lies, then you have to remember a whole lot

(01:04:52):
of things and a lot of your brain space is
going to be used going what did I say on
that as you Where did I say I was?

Speaker 17 (01:04:57):
Then?

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Oh no, now i'm this person here? And another example
is another example is say you're running late, right yep,
and you say I'll be five minutes, but you know
that you're going to be half an hour, right, So
that whole time from there you've you've changed there what

(01:05:19):
their you know their plans might change. But also that
whole five minutes when you rush the whole next twenty
five minutes where you're rushing to their, then you're full
of huge amount of stress. But if you say at
the time, hey, look I'm sorry I left laid. I'm
going to be another twenty five minutes. It may be
hard to say that at the point, but it relieves
the pressure at that at that stage, right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Yeah, that is a very fair point.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
What do you say, though, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
when is it ever okay to lie?

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
If ever?

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
I love to hear your thoughts? Nineteen nine two is
the text number. It is twenty one to three.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 8 (01:05:54):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
News Talk sav for a good afternoons You're eighteen to three?
Is lying ever okay? Graham Norton says, yep, sometimes line
is okay to protect others feelings.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Matt read The business scenario says is Texic can we
say from tall poppy syndrome? So when they tell you
your business is a good idea is because they want
to watch you crash and burn instead of soaring like
an eagle. It's really really well put. The six says,
I wonder if Graham Thorne's wife lied to him when
he came home with a perm. Now, I think Graham Thorne,
I'm supportive of Graham Thorne's moved toward perm. It was bold,

(01:06:29):
it was bold, and I think it actually looked good.
It was just in the world wasn't ready for men
to have perms yet.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
No, it was too early. He was a trendsetter.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
But I do think that it looked good. So you
could say to Graham Thorn, then this is the complexity
of lying. You could say to Graham Thorne, your perm
looks good, Graham Thorn. Yeah, but equally, if you're going
to add information, you will be ridiculed and people will
talk about this for generations. But it does actually look
quite good.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
Yeah, yeah, and exactly what happens. Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two
ninety two is the text number. This is an interesting one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
What about responding when someone asked how you're doing? Most
of us say I'm fine. I doubt many people would
be comfortable enough to actually tell the truth to avoid
starting a deep or uncomfortable conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
In the casual setting.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
I was listening to this podcast with Matthew McConaughey the
other day. It was a great podcast, but he was
saying that George Bush the president of the United States.
I think it was George Bush Senior. No, I'm not
sure which George Bush. I can't remember. He used to
always when you asked him how his day was, he'd
give you a rating out of ten, right, so it

(01:07:41):
be like eight point eight or seven point two.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
I love that. That is a great way to do it,
because it is an awkward one. I mean, given a
rating out of ten is a nice way to do it.
But if you are not feeling that great, you're coming
to work and people say get a how you going
and say I'm terrible, and at that point you can
see their energy start to drop off and think, oh no,
now I've got to listen to either because what does
that person do in that scenario? They say why you're terrible?

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
And then you've got to be honest and say what's
going on in your life? Yeah, because I don't think
it's actually lying. If someone says how are you and
you say I'm fine, you're not really lying. You're just
just engaged in a back and forth. Because you're not
ready to unload. My good friend Jason Hoyt, who's a
huge cricket fan, he will often give how he's feeling

(01:08:26):
as a score. He'll say, I'm three for seventeen. I'm
three down seventeen runs on the board. I love that,
but it's quite an accurate thanks. If you go I'm
nine down for ninety, you go, oh jeez, sorry mate.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
That is a very nice way to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
The sixer says, depends on the situation. If something can
be changed at a low tell them the truth, like
a haircut. If it can't be changed, why make people
life miserable like the house? Just find something nice to say. Okay,
I've got a really edge case scenario. Here, Shall I
share it now? Or after the break? Got time? Okay? Okay, yeah,

(01:09:12):
I got time? Yeap, share it now? Share it now.
So you've got Ann Frank in the attic, and the
and the Nazis are knocking on the door, and you
come down and the answer the door and they say
as as Anne Frank in the attic. Yep. Under those circumstances,

(01:09:32):
if you you know, it would be pretty pretty hard
to justify saying yes, she's up there, go and get it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
Yeah, I thought, yeah, yeah, absolutely, she would say, nope,
nobody here, just us.

Speaker 12 (01:09:42):
But.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Yeah, this person's out for a duck today.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Sorry to hear about that made hope things get better? Right?
N is the number to call love to hear your thoughts.
Is lying ever okay? A little white lie? Graham Norton,
the Great Graham Norton says, absolutely, brutal honesty can be
very cruel. But what do you say.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
My wife has just lied to me about address. She
said it was old. I found the receipt. That so
then you never trust her again.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
That's a snowball effect.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Yeah, so she should have just said, yes, I've bought
a new dress.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
That would have saved a lot of problems. Yeah, because
now there's problems in that household.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
That's see what webs we weave when first we practice
to to see the issues.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
That affect you. And a bit of fun along the way.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
News Talks B.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
We're talking about white lies? Is line ever okay? It
was an interview that Graham Norton did and he said
that line is okay if it protects other people. It can,
he says, brutal honesty cause quite quite a lot of cruelty.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
But there's incredible unforeseen circumstances, and there's obviously levels morally
of lying. Right. The worst lies are self aggrandizing lies,
I had guess, yeah, were ones that are meant to
hurt people. So if you walk around claiming, you know,
exaggerating what you earn, or claiming connections with people that
you don't have, you know, I know that that, dude.

(01:11:11):
Those ones are embarrassing or lying about romantic activities, you know,
even like harmless lies as well, though they I just
believe that generally speaking, I can see exactly what Graham
Norton's saying here that you know, if and it's the
case you go before of the house, if you someone

(01:11:32):
spent a lot and they can't change yet and they
ask your opinion, then then it's pretty harsh to tell
them it, right, And so there's different edge cases, right,
absolutely in the n Frank example I gave before, but
I think as an absolute general rule, you should do
everything you can to not lie. I tried not to lie.

(01:11:55):
I made a plan not to lie, and not long
afterwards I was cast on the New Zealand television show
Traders ends it well, that's awkward. And then and then
I was made a trader, which is one of the murderers,
and so I in the conclave choosing who to murder
on this reality TV show. I'm not sure if you've
seen it, but I'd made a decision just for an experiment.

(01:12:16):
I was riding my book to see if I could
not lie. And so I think I lasted six days
on the show and I didn't tell any lies.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
I just kept changing subject constantly. And then and then
one day someone just said, Matt's Matt just keeps absolutely
changing the subject all the time when I talk about
who's one of the traders and who's murdering people on
the show.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
That is a tough stance to take in that show, mate,
But well done today is pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Is that dishonesty if it's in the rules of a game,
so it not really is it? So you're not being
dishonest in a game of poker if you're bluffing. No,
So I probably shouldn't have taken it that far. But
on that morning when I decided to start lying and
not lots stopped lying completely seriously, this case that everyone
is putting through right through, over and again. Now, my partner, Tracy,

(01:13:05):
she put on this thing. It was like five past
six in the morning on the day that I decided
to see how long it could go without telling any
white lives on your lives, And she said, do you
like this? And she had this new sort of brown
singlet and shorts outfit. Yep, nice And I was immediately
tested at that right the like basically woke up and
then was put under the microscope and tested.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
And how did they go?

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
What happened was I didn't I sort of didn't really
say anything, but then I wrote about it in my book.
I wrote about in my book, and then she when
she was reading my books, I merely texted, was that
brown thing? I knew you didn't like it? So good?

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Eight hundred and eighty to eighties and number to call
get a.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Trevor, Hey, boys, how are you very good?

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
What do you reckon about lying?

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Well?

Speaker 20 (01:13:50):
I mean sometimes you can lie of use absolute stupidity
and it makes foolsier. I always remember the Democrats and
CNN kept telling us that Joe Biden was healthy and
didn't have any form of adventure. I mean, wasn't that ridiculous?
Then lying about that is.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
That has made them look hearable.

Speaker 20 (01:14:09):
Now absolutely, yeah, well I was saying it was very obvious,
and but you're right. Even now, it's just an example.
You know, sometimes lying just do it can come to
a point of just being stupidity. And I think that's
a classic example for the whole world.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Of you're so right, triv because everyone could see as well.
What was so strange about that lie is people could
see what was going on and they were saying, no,
he's sharp as attack and were every day that they
actually let him out to talk to anyone, and they
are hiding him away, and every time he was out
in front of her eyes, we could see that what
they were saying is not true. And now you know,

(01:14:46):
and it came to a head in that debate We're
afterwards they were going to and they rumbled him for
for Karmala. Yeah, but you go Triva.

Speaker 20 (01:14:56):
Sorry, oh yeah, And of course what now what everything
is even worse now. Kamala kept on telling us he's
a healthier he's but he's healthy, you know, no, no
early dementia that. But now she's written a book.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
It's all out now and that that destroys your credibility
for forever. Whereas if they had actually said, look, Joe Biden,
he's not fit to be rolling because at that point,
the reason why they weren't doing that wasn't it because
they thought he had a better chance to win because of,
you know, the support he had, and they didn't think

(01:15:29):
Carmela was a good candidate. But also they wondered what
would happen he's the president of the United States to
say that that he was not ready, but he didn't
seem like he could even before that, when he was
running for the race he won. He didn't seem like
he was up to it. But if they just ripped
the band aid off and said, like, he's not good,
we need we need to do something about this, and
they would have had so much more credibility.

Speaker 12 (01:15:50):
Now.

Speaker 20 (01:15:51):
Yeah, absolutely, of course, the most discussing about the whole
thing is, you know, if people have a go up
frump and his wife, you know how but how bare
was Jill Biden, the wife of Joe Biden, letting him
carry on with that job?

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Well she must have done apparently. Yeah, yeah, hey, thank
you so much for your.

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
Call, Trevor, and I think, just on the Joe Biden thing,
that is an example of quade, an egregious lie. But
they did that to protect the Democratic Party right or
their hopes, rather than any idea of protecting Joe Biden's feelings.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Yeah, well, do you think it was protecting his feelings
or just trying to protect the position of power, right exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
That's why that is an egregious, very very bad lie.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
But I'm just trying to think of this scenario. It
would be a good option.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
So Joe Rogan comes up and goes, do you think
I'm cognitively at my peak? No joke, no joke. It's
all over working many years ago in a big hospital,
says this text, and my boss asked me for an
opinion on what she was wearing. Caught off guard was
being on a straight up. As I was giving it.
Six supervisors came around the corner. They complained I was
straight up and said she asked me from my opinion.

(01:16:57):
She said she had asked me for.

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
Yeah, yeah, okay, And this one here, guys, Sorry, as.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Mister Trump healthy in the head, he lies all the time.
Least Joe was asleep, says Mary. I don't know who's
vetter in that scenario. This is a good one here, Hi, guys,
let's call it a small fib not a lie. I
bought a corvette without telling my wife. She asked me
how much she got told him out. I knew I
could get away with it. May not have been the

(01:17:26):
full truth. See again, I don't know a lie that's
on the line. But then if she finds out, then
she'll never trust you again. Then when you're out at
the pub and you say i'm you know, when you
whatever you say, you'll say you're working late, she thinks
you're at the pub. You know, Once your credibility has
been destroyed, then you can never get it back. It's

(01:17:47):
a risky thing. That is a risky thing.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
And if she divorces, yes, she's taking that corvette as well.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Right, good discussion, Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
Coming up after three o'clock, we're going to stick with
talking about money or lack of it. It can make
or break a relationship. But an article in the Herald
from a man asking for advice he's disciplined with money,
and his guild friend isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Can it ever work?

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
If someone's a massive stally and someone just likes to
spend the cash. Love to hear your thoughts on this one.
I hade hundred eighty ten eighty is eating number to call.
Nine two ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
I like him my boss all the time. I tell
him I like listening to news talks. He'd be talked back.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
That's a good lie, keeping that up.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
You keep telling people. Allow that one.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Your new home are insateful and entertaining talk.

Speaker 8 (01:18:34):
It's Mattie and Taylor Adams.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
Afternoons on News Talk Savvy Afternoon. Welcome back into the show.
It is six pass three, really good to have your company.
As always, is going to be a great discussion. Some money,
as many of us know, as one of the biggest
stresses in a relationship, especially when your financial habits couldn't
be more different. An article in the Herald with an
unknamed man. He's asking for advice. He says he's very

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disciplined with his money, but his new girlfriend isn't. Plus
he's tied to some parents debt. But he's asking whether
this relationship can ever.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
It's a biggie, So can you be in a relationship
with someone with different money values? I guess financial values
and you know one hundred and eighty ten eighty have
you had to leave a relationship because of the money
habits of the other other side, Because I guess part
of a relationship, belong to a relationship is forging both

(01:19:30):
romantic and a business partnership, definitely to try and fight
off the rest of the world. Yep. And you know,
you certainly notice when you get into a relationship with
two incomes coming in that things get a lot easier. Yeah,
And so that's all very well in this one party
is spending crazily. But equally I could say that, you know,

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if you have two people that are really really stilly
and tight, then nothing would ever happen, right, So you
would both go no to everything, and you have no experiences,
and you die with a whole lot of money in the bank.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
So there's a balance there.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
So you need someone that opens the purse strings, right,
So couldn't it be maybe you need two different types
of people in a relationship. You need one person that's
tying the tying down the finances and the other person
that's always trying to hassle you and book holidays and such.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
It's more fun being that second person. Clearly, I don't know,
but you know I'm thinking about maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
I know, if you like me and you're in a
relationship where we both just spray money around like a
fire hose, then part of you just feels like you're
emptying your soul into the world. At the same time,
just spending money doesn't always feel good. Yeah, sometimes making
prudent financial decisions actually is the enjoyable part of life.

Speaker 4 (01:20:49):
I think, and this is just my opinion, of course,
but when you get together with someone, it was always
important for me, very early in the relationship to talk
about this's going to several punishing that it is punishing
to talk about your financial goals. Where do you see
yourself financially in five, ten, fifteen years. That covers They
had the conversation with me for my partner now, and

(01:21:11):
it's well known that I am. I'm a bit stingy
with my money. It's a massive savor and the reason
I am is because I was I was very stupid
with money in my younger days. So that left me
with a bit of trauma now that I really I
hate spending money, right whereas may I wouldn't say she's
a massive spender.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
As a result, you tried to shift house yourself and
for the second time, crash the truck that you rented
into the side of your house.

Speaker 17 (01:21:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Yeah, so that's going to cost me a lot more
money than I was ever going.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
To say exactly. Sometimes you need to be not just
stoly but sensible. Yeah. And you should know by previous
experience that you caused damage when you hire moving trucks,
and so whilst it may appear that you're saving money
by moving yourself, you're actually going to spend a lot
more when you once again crashed the truck into the

(01:21:55):
side of the same house and the exact same spot
you crashed at last time. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
I never foresaw that I was going to almost take
out a corner of the house.

Speaker 10 (01:22:01):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
I thought I might clip it again and it will
be all right. But you're quite right, it's ended up
costing me a lot more by being stingy in that scenario.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
May have let me know about it, because she was
the one that said, just high spend a bit of money,
do it right, get some professional movers in. And I
look back at my stoly self and say, shame on you,
Tyler in that scenario. But in general, I think my
stooliness has meant we were able to buy a property.
Has meant we've got a beautiful car right now, has
meant my life is pretty boring.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Yeah, Like, for example, what did you do over the break?
You shifted house, yep, whilst I just went to the
Intercontinental Golf spa and resort and Vigia.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
It sounds very nice, mate.

Speaker 4 (01:22:46):
We had we had one nice lunch down at Taco
Loco and that was our that was our weekly spind
on the lunch yer.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
And I've come back so relaxed and so ready to
do this show, whereas you seem just as wound up
as you were when we left.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
More so more so, I think. But what do you say?
I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 17 (01:23:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
And also it'll be interesting to hear one hundred and
eighty ten eighty how the money works in your relationship,
because a friend of mine once said, a friend of
mine's dad once said to us, make sure your partner
has enough money but knows nothing about what's happening and financially,
so she always has enough money to spend. So she's

(01:23:25):
got enough money on the credit card and on the
money cards to spend and what she needs to but
she should know absolutely nothing about what's happening financially. This
was his space.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
That is interesting advice. What did you say to that advice?
So one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number
to cool It is a lever pass three US talk,
sa'd be for a good afternoon. She it's fourteen past three.
We're talking about financial financial relationships and whether someone's a spender,
someone's a savior, it works out in the long term.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
So Sharon's pushing back on this advice that a friend's
dad gave my friend and I make sure your wife
has enough money but doesn't know where it comes from. Yeah,
and what is what does Sharon say? That advice might
be okay in eighteen fifty, but no way now, Thank you, Sharon.
And the wider question is do you should you if
you're both earning, should you share the money or should

(01:24:16):
you run your own bank accounts at like flatmates and
pay the bills and work out what percentage you pay
of the mortgage? Or should your partner know everything that
you spend and you know everything you spend and it
should just be one money card, one bank account.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
It's an interesting question, Andy, how are you mate?

Speaker 21 (01:24:33):
Good and gentlemen, how are you very good?

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
So is one of you a spender one of your saver?

Speaker 21 (01:24:40):
Yes, I'm more like you, tyler, But man, I'm not
as not as tight.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
It's impossibly that tight. Not many people are.

Speaker 21 (01:24:51):
I'll be married fifty two years, or we've been married
fifty two years, and right, well, one when we got married,
we I sat down and said, look, okay, you've got
a job, I've got a job. We why don't we
just put work out what our running costs are for
the house on it, like utential utilities and rent and

(01:25:12):
mortgage and all that sort of stuff. And we put
an agreed amount into a joint account and we so
we paid them to that. If we had any big
buying like new appliances and stuff like that, we would Okay,
we'll put so much to have it on time payment
and we'll pay both pay half each as we go.
And yeah, so We've done that for the entire time

(01:25:35):
of our marriage. And I'm still married.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
And so you have, for want of a bit of
a word, your own discretionary spending outs that you can
just do what you.

Speaker 21 (01:25:44):
Want with absolutely Yeah, and she's got she can do hers.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Have you ever curious.

Speaker 21 (01:25:53):
No, no, it's her life. She's together. But no, she
can her money, she can spend it on what she likes.

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
So what do you do if there's a big purchase,
Say your wife would like a big purchase that the
allowance isn't enough for. How do you broach that?

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Andy?

Speaker 21 (01:26:10):
Okay? So as I said, like if we if we've
bought a new fridg or a new whatever, and okay,
we'd just put it on high purchase and we had
we know what the month that your weekly payments were,
and so we just paid for it out of the
joint account that we both added out that amount into
our payment that we're making to the joint account.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
So, but what if you pitched Andy some sort of
I don't know, like saying Aston Martin or something. If
you pitched, could you pitch? Look, I think as a
family we really need a more awesome calculus. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 21 (01:26:50):
That absolutely not. I mean that's encroaching on her individuality.
I mean she she likes a little mini I like America.
We both got a Minion America.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
There must be something. There must be something you want, Andy,
what about a jet ski.

Speaker 15 (01:27:08):
Used for mates?

Speaker 10 (01:27:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Wise man? So so Andy, would you say that you
and your wife want for nothing?

Speaker 21 (01:27:15):
Definitely want for nothing. We've got a we've got kemper,
then we've got a new home being built. You know,
we don't do well in the lives of right?

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
And did you? And did you immediately? You set this
up right and start? Was that you that that that
that set up this financial arrangement you're going or is
that you just happen to agree?

Speaker 21 (01:27:36):
I put it. I put it forward and say, look,
you know you what you were and you were in
and you can spend it on what you like, but
we we have commitments together, so let's let's work it
out and let's go together. And then if you've gone
to buy yourself a nest and Martin and you can
afford its of your life, not the problem and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Never any judgment, never any o. Really how much did
that cost? Wow? That's what you want to spend your
money on?

Speaker 16 (01:28:00):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Okay, that's interesting.

Speaker 14 (01:28:01):
You do you money?

Speaker 21 (01:28:02):
So why should I Why should I question that?

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
See, this is why you've been married for fifty two years. Andy,
because you're very fear and magnanimous gentleman, and I applaud you,
thank you very much, thank you and there you going.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
That is great.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
I mean, look, it's working out for them. But you
just mentioned before about transparency, and I think I'm pretty transparent.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
But I've got to.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
Say me and my Maith and I we have different
bank accounts. So I've got my own bank account where
my salary goes into then it gets sort of drained
out and goes into the various things we need. She's
got her own bank accounts, but she doesn't have access
to my bank account. And have you got access to
her if I want to? But I don't want to

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account well, because as long as I know all the
bills are being paid, she you know, she doesn't need
to know what's in my account and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Not going to not pay the bills.

Speaker 21 (01:28:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Yeah, And she's really.

Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
Good at paying the mortgage, right, which is good. Okay,
so as long as she takes care of that side
of things.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Yeah, and I but you but you want to have
a sniff around to make sure that she's not being
too extravagant. So you want to keep you want to
keep what you do, want to keep a one eye.
You're a very controlling individual, tyler, So whilst you trust her,
you still don't completely trust her. Yeah, my brother says
that Texa has has just lost over thirty k as
he didn't ever check his accounts. He had no idea

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his wife had a gambling habit. See gambling habits. That's
where things go wrong. If it's a joint account, both
need to be actively watching spending. They've been together over
twenty five years.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
That is a strong case for having accounts.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Did see may have done at the pokes?

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
She does love the RSA Actually how to speak of it?
Is twenty past three, beck in a mow.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (01:29:58):
Very good afternoon to you. So we're talking about financial
relationships or financial compatibility. If you have someone who's a
saver and someone who's a spender, can at work. There
was a good story in the Herald from a young
man who's a bit worried about his girlfriend's sending too
much money.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
We've got full lines, but keep trying on O eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. Matt, you're so arrogant, always
putting Tyler down and trying to make out you're better
than him. You need to learn to be more likable
than self effacing like luck Texter. I'm just trying to
make Tyler a better person. And Tyler and his own
mission is too tight, and I'm just China for the
good of his his He's wound up. He's just he's

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not only tight financially, he's wound up like a little ball.

Speaker 4 (01:30:38):
Very streets sought to be a saver. But I'm gonna say, mate,
you could be a bit more stingy in your life.
You spend a lot of money on various things.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
I see that as a failing. I see that we're
the opposite ends. As I say, spray running around like
a high pressure fire host. You do, and I don't. Necessarily,
I'd like the taps to be turned down a little.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
Bit, so little sugarhead for me, heath over there.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
So whilst I'm putting you down and insulting you, Tyler,
I actually mean that as part of it, as a compliment. Yeah,
thank you, mate, Yeah, I need a little bit of
your tightness. Danielle wel onto the show.

Speaker 19 (01:31:09):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
And you want to have a chat about joint accounts.

Speaker 22 (01:31:14):
Yeah, well, I.

Speaker 23 (01:31:15):
Think, certainly. I think if you if you're sharing a
roof with someone, and you're sharing a bed with someone
at what works for our houses that we share all
of our bank accounts. And I think that Andy had
a good point with his wife, you know, for fifty
years that they went separately. But I wonder how that looks.
Obviously they've been earning the same amount around about the

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same and she hasn't taken any time off to have
children and raised their family, for example. And so here's money,
your money, my money thing for us.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Yeah, right, that's a good point.

Speaker 24 (01:31:49):
Dissolved when we decided that we would be married, share
a bed, share a roof, share a life, into sharing
all of the money. And because my husband's actually his
earning capability was more than twice mine. Yeah, but at
the same time, I took a year is off to
have my baby.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Yeah, and you see, I think you make a very
good I think you make a very good point there, Danielle.
So if someone, if someone is just someone has decided
to look after the children at home, then obviously you
can't be you can't be just giving them an allowance.

Speaker 9 (01:32:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:32:23):
But even if you're not having children and you're both working,
if you're sharing a bed and sharing a room, Yeah,
for us, we pour all our money into the same
bank account, or both our.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Ways of going to the bank, or as you get
the situation where someone's flying economy and someone's flying business
on holidays.

Speaker 23 (01:32:41):
For a relationship and my husband, my husband would be
the business player and I would be economy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
I don't think a relationship can survive that relationship can
survive that.

Speaker 23 (01:32:54):
Questioning each other on what we spend. But I just
need to share a to share a room, to share
a family.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
I love that. Do you do you go through? When
you do?

Speaker 8 (01:33:01):
You do?

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
You look so you know online every expenditure comes up?
Is there any any any any situation going You bought
yourself a rolex? You know, did you really need to day?
You could have brought it. You could have brought it
time X.

Speaker 11 (01:33:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:33:18):
I mean, and all of that is fair, except I
have my extravagancewers too, and so if we can still
afford it at the end of the day, you know,
I've got the rest of my life to make up
for whatever he sends on his rolics. Yeah, so I
don't really care. And every now and then something, but
if it ever got to a point where it was

(01:33:39):
the expense of our family well being. Yeah, and then
that's worth the conversations. But we're very we're entirely transparent,
and it all goes into one bank account.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
And you can't put a value on time spent bringing
up the kids either can. I mean, they've be really
hard to get this cold hard value of it, and so.

Speaker 23 (01:34:01):
You can't really even if you choose not to have children,
if you're that double income, no kid's household, if he
earns one hundred grand new owned sixty grand, in our opinion,
you're still one life, one root.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
I think, I think absolutely right. I think you've got
I think you've got to look at it as a unit.
So this is how much we bring together as a unit.

Speaker 23 (01:34:22):
Unity. We're choosing to live our life as a unit.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
Otherwise what's the point?

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
Yeah, well he's here's my rationale, Daniel.

Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
So I mean, maybe knows how much I earn and
how much money is coming in, but I keep the
saving element of my own we account and she can
have a look at it she wants, but my rationale
for that, and I love it a bit. She's a
better person than me, but she if she sees what
is there in savings, then the suggestions start coming up
about a holiday or another car or something that she

(01:34:51):
really wants, and I love it a bit. So you're
saving hairstack, saving for a family, probably save him for
a holiday in the next ten years, you know.

Speaker 23 (01:35:00):
Well, and that's you know, as a couple, that's good
to have those discussions. There's only two currencies in the
whole of life, and that's time and money. Yeah, and
so as a couple, that's about how you do your
you do you. Yeah, I'm just about if she can
see those if she can see that money building up,
why not have the conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:35:20):
Now that's fair. I'm just a big softy at the
end of the day. If she and I've maybe want
something and can see the money, then I'll roll over
pretty fast.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
He might have purchased a Lady Roles as a surprise.
Well that's a good point. Yeah, yeah, you might like
to see rolics on there and it's for someone outside
of the relationship. Thank you so much for your call, Danielle.

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
How do you manage your finances in your relationship? Does
one person look after the money or do you have
the joint accounts and is there a spender or savior?
Love to hear from you. It is twenty eight past three.

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Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
Thank you very much, Scarlett. So we're talking about money,
habits and a relationship. There was an article in the
Herald and unnamed gentleman. He was asking for advice. He's
disciplined with money, but his girlfriend isn't causing him all
sorts of stress.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
Now, I think this texture is an understanding what we
meant specifically about joint accounts. Don't get a joint account.
I got sprung and my dealer got exposed. There's a
different kind of account, that different kind of joint account. Matt,
I had a family trip planned to Thailand and my
wife didn't want to go. All good and made of
mine had a business class upgrade he couldn't use, so
transferred to me sweet. A month later, my wife changed

(01:37:50):
her mind and decided to go. She enjoyed her business
class upgrade on the way home while I was in
Economy with a case of Guardia, expelling every ounce of
fluid from my body. Wow, I mean, I mean, if
you're doing that, you might as well be an economy exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
You could have got that past the wife.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
Craig, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 16 (01:38:09):
I've been married two times, but it didn't take long
at all with mccurrent wife that I realized she was
the good one with money. So she came and we
met our self employed. She's right from the word go,
she's done. I wouldn't even know what's in our bank.
I earn the money, I get all the work, and

(01:38:33):
she budgets everything. She knows what I want to do
in life, and it always seems to happen. She makes
it happen. It's just brilliant, And I think somebody has
to have the final say, right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
And so if you if you, if you've got, if
there's something you want to buy, can you just whip
out the IF postcard and go and buy it and
know the money will be there for you? Or do
you do you raise up book?

Speaker 16 (01:38:56):
Look for something small? I need a new pair of
jeans or something like that. Yeah, I'm well, i'd ask
the reader go and get them that. I don't like something,
but but it's something big, like you know, a couple
of years ago, I wanted to buy a Dodge aunties.
We can't afford it, but you you I want to
buy Dodge, And then when we could afford it, we

(01:39:19):
went and bought a Dodge. You know, so she will,
she will make it happen. I can't save, but she's
a fantastic savor and I just trust her one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
What particular Dodge were you have? You have you got there? Crank?

Speaker 16 (01:39:33):
What a Challenger sr Team?

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Oh I'm just now.

Speaker 3 (01:39:38):
I mean every Dodge is a beautiful car, but the
Challenger lovely.

Speaker 16 (01:39:42):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
You're getting that out on weekends or is it?

Speaker 15 (01:39:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Every daycat?

Speaker 16 (01:39:47):
Well, it's funny. It needs to set the ties at
the moment, and business has been that crack the last
it's reto on holding the garret. But she'll budget for
the tires and I'll get them if I can.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
Was that was that a new a new Dodge?

Speaker 16 (01:39:59):
No it wasn't. No, I bought it secondhand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
But you know, I think in any relationship, you know,
having joint bank accounts and that kind of thing, I
think you still need somebody to make the call on
the big decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
Does she enjoy that part of it?

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
Great?

Speaker 4 (01:40:18):
Because you know I'm listening to the story and for
you that's you know, it is a nice place to be, right.
You don't have to stress out about the money side
of the apart from earning it. That's your your side
of the equation. Does she worry a bit about where
the money's going to come in and all right, this
bill needs to be paid?

Speaker 8 (01:40:33):
Or she she enjoys that absolutely.

Speaker 16 (01:40:37):
The last eighteen months for many people in visit have
been absolutely shocking, and it was you know, she would
lie awake and night thinking how them all was going
to be paid? You know, whereas I didn't tend to
stress it because I weren't things that she's just a
troop with money. I would have probably lost the house

(01:40:58):
a year ago. We're on the way back now and
she's all because.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
I and you trust her implicity, because that's part of it.
You would have to absolutely trust.

Speaker 16 (01:41:10):
I did say jokingly, if you would have steal money
from me would go tramping on the white day?

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Yeah yeah, jo Hey, Craig, could you ask Tracy if
I can have a get a challenge your sr T?

Speaker 16 (01:41:28):
Well, it depends, Well, I can't ask Tracy if you
can get one.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
Well, she's probably actually listening, Craig. But I've never really
locked it one before. And then I'm decided it's the
car one more.

Speaker 16 (01:41:39):
Than anything or a hell if she no, really that's
what you want, then it should have happened one day.

Speaker 4 (01:41:45):
Yeah, money well spends is what you're saying, Craig. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
I've got to get back. I've got a new desire. Now,
how beautiful cars, Craig. Another Craig from Mount Mongui this
time you think you need a bit of freedom and
relationship around money.

Speaker 9 (01:42:01):
No, after listening to the other Craig.

Speaker 3 (01:42:07):
He's got a good light there, Craig than me.

Speaker 9 (01:42:10):
He has, and I totally agree him, Like, yeah, but
I would have I would have gone back to like
a ninety fifty six Challenger. Yeah, he should have kind
of put the button down there.

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
But anyway, we're both frantically searching for a nineteen fifty
six Challenger.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
Oh yeah, lovely body.

Speaker 9 (01:42:27):
Oh, yeah, that's that's the one boys.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
Yeah, what about the ninety? What about an orange nineteen
sixty nine Dodge Charger?

Speaker 9 (01:42:36):
Cool, that's what my dad had.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
So so you do you currently have a bit of
freedom Craig and your finances?

Speaker 8 (01:42:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:42:49):
Absolutely, I've reached that age I think Craigs have. I
think all the crag like Craig's are obviously sixty seven babies. Yeah,
so we're Yeah, we've reached that apex point. But I
I we'd go along with Craig, you know which. I
think him and I have a lot in comment. I'd

(01:43:11):
like to deal with a guy.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Yeah, ever met up of Craigs?

Speaker 9 (01:43:15):
Yeah, Craig meeting.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
I don't have even met a bad Craig. There's some
names the generally everyone with that name is a reasonable
human band. I don't think I've ever met a bad Craig.
Good people, Craig.

Speaker 9 (01:43:26):
This might sound really weird, but I worked for a
company called Canterbury Heating down in the Whitehadow, sorry, down
in the South Island and christ Rich back in twenty
ten something. We had three Craigs working there. Yep, only
a five person company and three Craigs, and it was
it was hilarious. There was a big Craig, more Craig,

(01:43:48):
medium Craig.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Which Craig were you? I was medium Craig. And they're
all good Craigs. I mean, obviously you're a good Craig.
The other two Craigs good craigs.

Speaker 9 (01:43:58):
They were brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
Honestly, I can't go wrong with Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
I give a lot of teaxsagreeing that no one's ever
met a bad Craig. Hey, tanks you call Craig. Appreciate it?
Love that all right? Sorry? Text here this text from
a Steve Hey. I hear people all the time thinking
separate accounts somehow protects their money. They need a reminding
of the Matrimonial Property Act. What is yours is mine?
In most cases including your key, we save your account.

(01:44:26):
This is the very true.

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
Oh eight undred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call financial compatibility in your relationship?

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
Is it working? Is someone a savor or a spender?
Love to hear from you? It is twenty to.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
Four your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call.

Speaker 8 (01:44:43):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Said, be afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
It is eighteen to four Craig.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
We got bogged down on Craig's and we forgot to
actually get to the point of what you were calling about.
So welcome back Crag.

Speaker 9 (01:44:54):
Yeah. I actually felt like, hang on a minute, that's
like Karen.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
Now we got excited about that the name Craig. Yeah,
we missed the crucial part of why you called up.

Speaker 9 (01:45:06):
Yeah, hey, look, so look hitting the points that I
think are really relevant about relationships and keeping financial things
in a safe place for everybody. Joint accounts are really
important to have, Like so your your mortgage comes out
of it, your your your raped, your insurances, everything else

(01:45:29):
will rent whatever it is. But I do think it's
really important that you have a little bit of money
that is in your account just for you to do
whatever you want to do with. That's a little bit
of freedom.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
How much do you need? Is that enough for dinners out?
Or is it enough for a whole holiday? Is it
enough to buy a Dodge?

Speaker 9 (01:45:50):
How much you have to buy a Dodge?

Speaker 8 (01:45:53):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:45:56):
Okay, So for me, I really think it's enough to
just do little things like so, imagine an idea where
you just want to buy buy something important for your birthday.
You want to have a bit of coin there that
you can do something with. You don't have to explain it.

(01:46:18):
You don't have to, or it could be a really
really nice because Shamana brought out a really nice sea
cast road right now, are real, I should say? So
you might just want to see money on that without
having to explain it. But you've got to be paying
the money into the central household fund that pays everything.

(01:46:40):
And I kind of think that's that's super important.

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
I agree with that because you know, I mean, for example,
when you mentioned some nice things for your wife there,
which is very generous of your craig, But say an
unexpected trip to the pub with your mates, so they
bring your on a Saturday it wasn't planned and say hey,
we'll meet you down at the pub and things go
a little bit longer than expected and you're shouting your mate.
So the ability to have that there, you know, because
you don't want to wring your wife midway through the

(01:47:06):
pub and say, hey, honey, can you transfer me another
couple of hundred bucks because I spent too much?

Speaker 9 (01:47:12):
Yeah, exactly. You want to have some freedom and you
want her to have freedom too.

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
What about the situation when you've got joint accounts, and
you know, for a lot of dads, it's a surprise
what's brought for Christmas? For the kids, you're as surprised
as anyone what you've got everyone. But then you get
a really really nice present from your partner and you go,
that's I could have probably done with something there wasn't
that expensive thing? Is it's my money? Brutal honesty.

Speaker 9 (01:47:39):
Again, I totally get that, but honestly, I do think
it's really really cool that you. I think you have
to have a joint account that just make sure that
everybody's looking after the main things, and then that little
bit of extra money is really nice to not have
to explain like, you know, you just you had a coffee,

(01:48:03):
you had a beer with some mates, or you you know,
for my wife, I see packages arrive at the door
and I don't even know, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
Oh my god, Okay, there's so many packages arrive at
my house. Yeah, it's just.

Speaker 3 (01:48:19):
And that's doing lamps around your.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
And every day I sort of hope that maybe it
was something I ordered, But it wouldn't it be great
if I ordered something fun? And then it's never never
for you, mate, never for you. Thank you so much
for you.

Speaker 9 (01:48:32):
Just thank you for letting me not just be a
Craig and to learn in the background, to Craig.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
You're more than just a greag. It's it's important that
craigs get to say what Craigs want to say on
our show.

Speaker 4 (01:48:42):
So anytime, all thank you, Greg, Sharon. How are you
this afternoon?

Speaker 19 (01:48:50):
Good afternoon, guys, be a good Thank You're I'm fine,
Thank you. It hasn't I have a joint account and
which but I pay all the bills. My husband jug
out to work for me, and you know, I just
get on with paying the bills and things like that.
I do have my own personal account because there's a
payment that has to go in there every month, so
called a pension, so that that goes into my account,

(01:49:13):
but my husband can has been what he likes. Although
you know, recently we needed a new lounge suite, so
I didn't just go out and buy that. That got
talked about because it was a serious amount of money.
But yeah, we've been married forty six years and we've
always worked this way, and even when I was working,
you know, outside the house, we just got on with it.

(01:49:35):
I've paid the bills.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
And it's interestrue with paying bills though, because you can pay,
say for the mortgage, for example, Sharon, you can decide
how much you're going to pay on the mortgage. So
it was that a situation where you go, well, I
want to pay down the mortgage faster, so I'll pump
up the money I pay there.

Speaker 19 (01:49:53):
Oh well, you know you can talk about that sort
of thing and decide to do that. It's all about
communication and talking about it. I mean, you know, like
you with all these pawerfls that are arriving at your house,
they kind of a mine as well. But it's for me,
not for my husband. But you know that's just the way.

(01:50:16):
But yeah, I just really think that communication is just
talk about it and it goes from there. It's the
best thing to do.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
So when you get a pension, can it not as
does it remain individual you're pension? It doesn't become become
as a couple's pension, just as an off off topic conversation.

Speaker 19 (01:50:35):
Well, no, that's right, he is I had mine and
he has his. I actually get more.

Speaker 21 (01:50:39):
Than he is.

Speaker 19 (01:50:39):
But but yeah, yeah, this goes into separate bank accounts.
It's quite as in your name, your own name, so
it's not put in together into one account that I not.

Speaker 17 (01:50:50):
That I'm not.

Speaker 19 (01:50:52):
So it's just yeah, yeah, it's my money and kind
of and you get to see people doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
And you've been married forty six years, so it works.
It works for you, guys. So congratulations on that and
well done.

Speaker 4 (01:51:04):
Always great to change, Sharon, Thank you very much. Oh
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
Sorry, press the wrong button there, press the wrong button
there again. Jeez, I've been on holiday, haven't I? There
we go? Gary got you took me three but.

Speaker 8 (01:51:20):
I got.

Speaker 12 (01:51:25):
Yeah, what what do I say? And here it? You right?
But in saying that, losing family friends. The mate died
the other week, I just went and picked his car up.
You're the butts and pieces and whatever. Yees. So here

(01:51:47):
we've got houses and everything's paid for.

Speaker 16 (01:51:50):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:51:51):
It's but you lose a lot of yees. It's friends
and family and even new people you meet.

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
Yeah, so so you you're you're.

Speaker 12 (01:52:02):
A sad thing in that area. I want to put
it down to it. It's just how it happens. And
they sign it over to me and risk goes on,
doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
Well, you must have a lot of people that that
love will respect you, Gary if they think that you're
the person to give the things.

Speaker 12 (01:52:26):
You're right there, like I need new people got you?
You're doing well? I said, well, yeah, well all right,
you know, I put it just just I'm just about
crying talking about it.

Speaker 25 (01:52:41):
But yeah, we've got houses and they're worth millions of dolls,
you know, and I've got farms and yeah, everything.

Speaker 12 (01:52:51):
But you know, money is not an object to me. Area.
But when you've got that sort of wealthy sort of thing, well,
you know you're coming back to who left it to you?

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Ye, yes, well there's a person attached to it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
I mean that's a beautiful philosophy from Gary there that
you know, money is just money, but the family means more.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
It seems that everyone that Gary met meets thinks that
he should be in their will.

Speaker 3 (01:53:17):
Yeah, and they've done pretty well for themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
That's a pretty huge compliment, doesn't it certainly is yeah,
mine your will, tyler?

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
Yep, yep, what do you want? I don't need much, mate,
you know the hybrid, No.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
You can't have that. It's nine minutes to fall back
in the mow.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 8 (01:53:37):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 4 (01:53:40):
It be news talks, it'd be. We've been talking about
financial compatibility in a relationship. So many texts coming through
on nine two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
The sticks is real men with real money don't have
risky women around. Really. Okay, okay, I agree with medium Craigs.
There's the stext. Do we have a joint account which
our income goes into and all the household expenses go
out of it?

Speaker 8 (01:54:01):
We have?

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
We then have a personal account each which we chuck
one hundred dollars a week and two and that's our
money to do what we want, only hundred bucks a week.
What about this? There's one round at the pub with
your mates. I generally managed making sure we're getting the
best deal on power companies, etc. But I invest in
team of far more than him and this one here, Hi, boys,
I don't understand the point of a joint account. Wife.

(01:54:24):
He has her account and I have mine. She can
spend her money how she wants. I look after bills
to a fair proportion of what I earn, and a
happy wife, happy life. Joint accounts get scrutinized. When you
have them breeds negativity.

Speaker 4 (01:54:38):
Cheers Andrew, nice one and this one from Robin Gidde. Guys,
I'm the saver and I pay all the bills in
our relationship. I'm retired and he is still working. He
is hopeless with money. We would be on the bones
of our backside if he was in charge of the money.
Bitter stress, But it's what I'm good at.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
And the six is Greg Murphy owns the Ultimate sixty
nine Charger Bow and Luke Duke had a good one too. Matt,
you definitely need a helcat. They're one of the gruntiest
cars ever made, relatively cheap and you'd look sharpened one
what Bill's.

Speaker 4 (01:55:09):
Saying, Yeah, Tracy, if you're listening, there's going to be
a hell care coming.

Speaker 8 (01:55:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
Good discussion, right, Hi, guys. My wife looks after the
finances and sc weekly packages arrive which she has ordered.
She spends loads on fitness et cetera. And when I
spend on pies and bre she calls me out and says,
why are you wasting money on that? And I reckon,
my expenses are well below what she's spending on all
her hocus focus but according to her, my spending isn't

(01:55:36):
allowable because it's wasteful. Go figure, that's very much out.

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
Buy more pies, mate, love it all right?

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
That brings us to the end of the show. Had
a great time. It's good to be back, isn't it tighter?

Speaker 3 (01:55:46):
It's good to be back, and what a great show
it was.

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
The full pod will be out if you missed anything
very soon. The powerful Heather Dupa see Allen is up
next with her show. But right now, Tyler, my good friend,
tell me why am I playing the song from Greg Johnson.

Speaker 4 (01:56:01):
Oh, the great Greg Johnson? Save yourself? Is this about
making sure that you should be a stinge like me?
Or is this more about we should save ourselves first
before looking at internationally?

Speaker 2 (01:56:12):
I'm just wondering whether people spend too much time worrying
about huge overseas problems they can't solve, rather than sorting
out their problems at home.

Speaker 3 (01:56:20):
Yeah nice, and what a beautiful song it is to
all right?

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
Until tomorrow afternoon. Wherever you are, what are you doing?

Speaker 22 (01:56:28):
Give them a taste of keying from us saying I
love you.

Speaker 1 (01:56:52):
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