Full Show Podcast: 30 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello Grant News Inlanders and welcome to Mantain Tyler Full
Show Podcast number two one one for the thirtieth of September.
It's a Tuesday. And wait till the end because there's
some of the best rat stories you'll ever hear. If
you want to hear a naked woman chased out over
bath by three rats, keep.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Most hell of a story. Yeah, what a great show.
And but a chat about pension it was feisty.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Oh yep, we did that as well.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
We have a good chat there. And save the partor
brewing is that what it's called? And fun a pour.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yes, they might have to shut down because they had
some noise complaints that it turns out from one neighbor.
But we have had a wee petition sent through to us,
so go to change dot org. Save part O a Brewing.
But Brotek live music on the coast. We had a
chat to the pub owner. He was a good man,
is a.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Very good man.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
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Speaker 1 (01:15):
Look big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News
Talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Be for a good afternoon to you. Welp him into
the show. I hope you were doing well, were I?
You're listening in this beautiful country of ours, Kady, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Get A, Tyler get A, you great New Zealander. Thanks
for tuning in. Pretty much looking forward to the show.
We've already done an hour of it for some people.
We're into the three hours of talkback starting right now,
and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Going to be god. But before we get there, I've
got a question for you, Matt, and for our audience
as well. So moved into this new place, YadA, YadA, YadA,
but it's got a fire and I'm really excited about
the fireplace.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
What can I find it?

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Proper woodburner, woodburner, a proper wood burner. So I am
just But my question is, so I started looking at
buying some firewood, but I am surprised by the differences
of wood available now because back in the day when
I had to help mom out stack in the wood,
you just got a quarter wood. It didn't really matter.
It was kind of like a mixed bag, but a

(02:15):
pine in there. But whatever they had down at the
local firewood place these days, it's true the roof. You
get your hardwood, you get your soft wood. So I'm
kind of a bit confused about where I go. I
just want some good, old fashioned, easy to burn, cheap firewood.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, get yourself an axe, and then you can just
get whatever would you want wherever you want.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Is that how it works. I can just go to
Riverhead and just working down an old pine, go for
it out of.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
The domain, knock down one of those old trees near
the museum and go for it.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, good times.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
So, because what the I don't actually know the rules,
because I would love to have a wood fire, but
for some reason I assumed you weren't allowed them anymore.
You're not allowed to put a new one or something.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
I think so because I thought it was a showpiece,
and then rang the landlord and said, nope, you can
use it. Good to go.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
There's nothing better than a fire in winter. A house
with a fire is brilliant, even if it's you know,
and I've been on the record in the show a
number of times talking about just watching fires on YouTube
on your TVs. Yeah, it is pretty good.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
That is pretty nice, but an actual fire and an.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Actual wood fire, not a gas fire. Good on you, congratulations.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
It was the first thing I did. It was twenty
degrees outside and I said to Mave, I'm lighting the
bear boy. I don't care. It was it was really good.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Douglas Fair, Yeah, yeah, businesses get stuck into the Douglas Fair.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Well, if you've got a firewood deal out there, you know,
you know, you know, I like to save money, so
I'm keen to hear from your nine two ninety two.
If you've got a deal on firewood.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
You could fell mighty tot or a cold.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Look at me? How would I fear trying to do that?
With an X, I'll take off my hand right onto
today's show after three o'clock, there's going to be a
really good chant. So Paris it is famous for romance
art love, of course, but apparently its massive rat population
is out of control with far out numbers. It's human

(03:59):
residents now. The city's tipping him year. His name is
Gregory Marrow, and he is stirring the pot by calling
for coexistence with the rodents when they play a vital
role eating tons of waste.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
So should we continue trying to curl every rat we see?
Or is it time for a truce between human and rodent.
We'll talk about that after after three o'clock. Although I
think this French deputy mayor has been watching the pixarm
of your ratituy too many times he's got confused what
rats actually are.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Looking forward to that after three after two o'clock, a
beloved local gastro pub on the High Biscus Coast it's
lost its right to sell booze after a drawn out
battle over noise complaints from neighbors. So this is part
of a brewing company. It has been hit with a
denied license renewals, despite despite its efforts to soundproof and
limit noise. It appears it's one family, longtime neighbors who

(04:49):
are behind these multiple noise complaints.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
But a pushback on the state of that pub from
a few Texters coming through on nine two nine two.
But we'll go into both sides of the argument later on.
But the general discussion we want to have is how
much should the needs for quiet of the few be
considered over the needs of the many to get together
and socialized dance and to music up to eleven pm
at night on the weekend.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
It sounds reasonable, But that's going to be a good
jette after two o'clock right now, let's get into this.
It's long being the elephant in the room. But New
Zealand's Treasury has just dropped a sobering report warning of
a staggering future debt crisis if we don't act soon.
It says we need to start slowly raising the pension
age to seventy two over the next forty years or
risk crushing future generations with massive tax hikes or brutal

(05:34):
service cuts. The pension age obviously has been kicked around
for some time, but it appears no political party wants
to address head on. Meanwhile, dead is forecast to sort
twice the economy by twenty sixty five if we do nothing.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, so what do you reckon? That sounds pretty inflammatory statement,
isn't it. The retirement age is being raised to seventy two,
I mean quite a few decades away, but do you
think that that people should be waiting till seventy two
before they get the pension. It's all very well for
people like Tyler, as I was saying to you before,

(06:11):
very easy if you're sitting on your ass and my
costing special back supporting lumbard cheer.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Our beautiful years.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Very nice speaking into a fluffy microphone. That's all very
well for us. We could keep going to we're ninety
five if they'll have us. Yeah, but not so easy
if you're on the tools exactly.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
So what do you say?

Speaker 3 (06:30):
I wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Is there another solution? This is what I want to say,
because every time you read these articles and they're like,
either we raise taxes, And I always think when someone's
the idea is to raise taxes, that they haven't actually
thought hard enough to come up with an idea, because
if you look at how much we get taxed, we
get taxed a lot, and the people that are earning
good money in this country get taxed nearly to oblivion

(06:53):
when you start adding all the texes together. So whenever
anyone comes up with the solution for our economies to
tax more, I'm always suspicious that they haven't been thinking
for long enough.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Right, It's an easy thing to throw out there and say,
unless we do something, we're going to teach you more So.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
It's kind of a situation where you read these reports
and they're like, either we teach you more or or
or we raise the retirement age to somewhere insane? Man,
Is there another solution?

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yeah, love to hear your other solutions. There must be
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine to nine two.
Can to hear your thoughts on this. But I think
it is fair to say that this has been talked
about for some time and not many even political parties,
would disagree that there is a problem there. We're getting
an aging population. It's costing us more and more to
know out the pension.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
No one's bothering to have any children to bring the
workforce through.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, we need those children to work and pay Texas
to fund the pension. But really, can have a chat
with you? Is raising it to seventy two over the
next forty years? Crazy town? And what are your other solutions?
What do we need to do here? Oh, eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call.
It's thirteen past one.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between.

Speaker 6 (08:01):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Be it's cut a pass one. So Treasury is freaking
out about a looming debt levels if we don't do
something about therement retirement age. They say that it needs
to be raised to seventy two over the next forty years.
What do you say, I went hundred and eighty ten
eighties to number to call?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
They should means test it like in Australia, it would
mean I wouldn't get it. But that's fair enough, says Lou.
All right, that's interesting. Someone else says that they where
was this tex stuff? Bloody loss? That this new system
it's all over the shop we go. But anyway, it
was basically saying that I drink and smoke and work
on a farm and I'll be dead before sixty five.

(08:40):
So I don't care.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
He's okay with it or they shit might have been
she a Matthew.

Speaker 7 (08:46):
Yeah there you guys speaking of someone that is two
years away from being sixty five.

Speaker 6 (08:53):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
Look, whither we can afford it or not as a country,
it is what of it it is We need to
afford it because that is the whole working life of
especially people my age that have been told and you
know that at sixty five, you will get the pension.
I don't foresee that I'll be able to stop working

(09:18):
full time when I turned sixty five. I understand I
will still have to work some part time, and I'm
okay with that. But look, if they're going to do
it the seventy two that is ridiculous. That is too long.
I've got an idea. If they're going to do that,
then maybe once you reach sixty you don't pay any tax,

(09:42):
and so you can save the money that you would
be paying on tax. So maybe you'll be able to
retire that little bit earlier or something like that. You
can't just go because there's people that you know, I
would have said that there's people in there mid till
fifties now that if that ever happened, they'd be screwed.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
It's just what do you what do you think about
things like so, what about means testing? How do you
feel about that that if you hit sixty five and
you've done pretty well, then maybe you don't get the pension.

Speaker 8 (10:22):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 7 (10:24):
It's hard to say, you know, what has done pretty
well in this day and age? Like if you say
that now, like God, when I was in the twenties.
You know, if you were a millionaire, you know, you
couldn't even dream being a millionaire. But god, most people
are millionaires now because the ours is worth that if
not more, you know, and litt alone everything else they own.
So that's you know, so what do you what do you?

(10:46):
I know it's in Australia it's two millionius if you've
got two million dollars in the bank or something or
whatever it is, even that's not that's not very much
in this day and age.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, I mean it is a tricky one, isn't it.
And I more to think about it. I don't think
that there's going to be losers out of whatever we do,
whatever changes are made, there's going to be someone that
loses out. Yet But I think about my grandparents and sadly,
through no fault of their own, they lost their business
because of some dodgy accounting and that was towards the
end of their life, and that done very well to
that point, then lost it all and relied solely on

(11:17):
the pension. So what do you do for cases like that?
And I suppose means testing could be a way to alleviate,
you know, some of those concerns about people who genuinely
need it. But on the other side of the equation
is that fear for people who have done well in
life to then be stunned because the very fact that
they've done well in life.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Well yeah, I mean, but if you have done very.

Speaker 7 (11:39):
Well in life and you probably don't need it, then
the amount they do reduce it, or you pay secondary
tax on whatever it is, they still you don't get
the whole.

Speaker 6 (11:50):
Lot plus what.

Speaker 7 (11:51):
Well, it's my understanding. I guess I'll find that.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Time be a nice surprise for you.

Speaker 7 (11:59):
But you know, on the flip side too, like we've
got some lovely friends of ours and at the moment,
and you know, he's over seven and she's she reached
retirement age. She was still working, but he's in a
brain human there, he's dying and he's looking and she's
looking after him.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
You know.

Speaker 7 (12:20):
So if she wasn't entitled to her pension' that'd be stuffed.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, I mean, there's there's lots of as Tyler says,
anything like this that's so complicated with different people. But
we must point out that this that the suggestion is
to increase the age to seventy two over a forty
year period.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
I mean, I mean crutly unfair. If someone just said tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
It's going to be forty two, Tyler, You're what are you? Tyler?
You're thirty eight on.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Forty this year, so i'd be pretty close for a
time and age by twenty six.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Do you think in twenty five years you'll I mean,
I think people just don't think it'll be there anyway.
I don't think. I don't think you could at the
age of forty think that it's planned for it to
still be there. I think I think you have to
go hard on your key. We save and hard and
be very motivated to make sure you are okay, because
because the government's at some point it's hitting a certain way.

(13:15):
And especially if you hear how young people say talk
these days, they're not as respectful of their elderly as
they once were. Yeah, with all the okay boomer stuff,
So the chances of still being around by the time
you're sixty five Tyler got to be.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Minimal, right, Yeah, I don't think it will be. So
I'm planning for a not to be there. But what
happens if I do everything right and then you know,
I do something stupid in my late fifties and I
lose all my money then at that point, because you know,
as I was saying to you in our producer Ander,
I can sit here right now and say it's not
going to be there, and I'm okay with that. But
by the time I hit sixty one, two or three,

(13:52):
will I be okay with it then that it's gone? No,
I probably won't be.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
And knowing you, Tyler, I think there's a good chance
you will do something stupid.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Highly likely, highly likely.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
This seems quite likely.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
It's happening with cryptocurrency at the moment, s Matthew. Thank
you very much, mate, great to hear from you. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number of
coll says.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
This pension debate is all pretty simple. If you don't
raise the age to something higher, there simply won't be
a pension for anyone. So looking forward to all the
lefties texting and to say you can't lift it, okay,
then so where will the money come from? Get them
to explain that open to be proven wrong from the grant. Yeah, well,
I mean I would say, we're just going to tax
the people that do well more and more and more

(14:29):
and more. And more and more more and solve every
problem by tax seeing the most productive people the most.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, and what do you say to that? Nineteen nine
two is the text number. It is twenty two past one.

Speaker 6 (14:38):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mike asking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Health check on our health secret of Simmi in Brown's
health minister in his with us, how much are we
messing with numbers? Here you can massage numbers to you
blue in the face.

Speaker 9 (14:49):
So these are white health targets the government set. These
are recorded and then validated to show the changes over time.
Over the last twelve months, we're seeing improvement against our
health targets.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
There are averages because counties Manicaun and Auckland have gone
backwards in ed for example, is that population?

Speaker 10 (15:04):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Efficiency? Is a resource?

Speaker 5 (15:06):
What is it?

Speaker 6 (15:06):
There'll be a number of factors.

Speaker 9 (15:08):
There's been a significant increase in the number of people
turning up to emergency departments or on average across the country.
We are seeing improvement, but yes, there are some districts
which need additional investment and that's what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Bayley's real Estate News Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Very good afternoon to you were talking about the pension age.
Treasury is freaking out about suspected debt levels and they
say it needs to be raised to seventy two in
the next forty years.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, either that or absolutely tax the jesus out of
people that are earning anything like a decent wage, even
more than they do right now. This is an interesting
point and needs to be pointed out here. That's come
through on the text machine from Dave Madame Tyler Australia
and means test government super because everyone's got a personal

(15:52):
super scheme where taxpayers contribute twelve percent of their pay
where they get a big tax break charged fifteen percent
tax on the contribution. In New Zealand, government super is
the main retirement income as key we save has only
been going a short time. Yeah, I mean, as we
keep hearing they haven't a pretty robust super situation going

(16:12):
over there. That makes us feel very envioused.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, very good, compulsory and just see a look now
employees rather must contribute eleven percent of an employee's ordinary
earnings and the employee themselves have to at least match that.
I mean, that's significant there, but that takes time to
get to that point, and it took Australia a long
time to build up to that level of contribution from
the employer.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, I think the weird thing about means testing and
I'd love to hear people's opinion on this, but this
is my gut feeling. We always ask the people that
do quite well throughout life to pay for a lot
of stuff, right, Yeah, and then when it comes to
the pension, we go no once again, you pay your
way again. So you've been paying the most tax throughout

(16:56):
your life. And then at the end we're like, nah,
you can't get him back on this. You know, you've
probably taken the least out of the health system, you know,
at least out of the education is at least out
of a lot of things compared to what you've put in.
And then at the end it's like no, no, you
also can't get this. And I know it's way more
complicated than that, but it justice feels like that's the

(17:17):
way that we look at things in this country, that
you just take and take and take and take and
take from the people that you can take from.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, And it feels like a very blunt tool doesn't it,
But there's got to be a better way to do it.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
I feel like it might be a little bit demoralizing
for those people that are striving for success. Simon, Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
I agree with you there case of a lot of cases. Yeah,
safe hard, you work hard, and we'll dip into you
because we're a bit short of money now. My big
one is having lived overseas and I've got a small
pension contribution into one. It was tax free. They didn't

(17:56):
text me on my pension contributions, which encouraged me to
start planning for that, and I got some advice and
I went, hell, tax three twenty five percent back in, Yeah,
I'll start contributing to that. Whereas in New Zealand, on
your key we Fabe you get taxed on your money
before any goes into key we Save it. You get

(18:17):
taxed on any money that your key we Saver account
is making, so they dipping into the already taxing your
contribution that you're doing. So we just seem to be
I'd be very untrusting of them increasing taxes because let's
be on it. At the end of the day. If
we launch an inquiry in about ten to fifteen years time,

(18:38):
we probably find about thirty cents on the dollar what's
actually going towards pensions. And every time a big project
went up by so many hundreds of millions, the politicians
dipped into that fund to find the money for it.
But it's I think the seven year jump is a
you know, it's a huge jump to go to people,

(19:01):
Oh it's sixty five now, but we're thinking about putting
up to seventy two. Whatever happened to sixty seven or
sixty eight, Did these numbers not exist anymore?

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well, I think the idea is that in this suggesting
anyway that over the next forty years it slowly gets
moved up to seventy two. It might be always slipping
away slightly from some people. So the finish line slightly
moving away for people over forty years.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
And to be fair simon, this is Treasury saying this.
They can say what they like, and to be fair
on Treasury, it is based on actual figures and their
growth forecasts and debt forecasts. But from the political side
of things, National did say at last election that they
thought it was right to raise it to sixty seven.
Act was the same. It was the other parties that
didn't have a bar of it, and many people would

(19:46):
remember during the coalition negotiations, New Zealand First has always
been pretty clear that it's sixty five, it's no, but
it's not changing.

Speaker 11 (19:57):
Ah.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
Yeah, they know they're voting base and they're not going
to cut their nose off despite their face. But but
what it is is out of politicians going to take
the same hits. Are they going to not have their
subsidized flights for life was there in New Zealand? Is
their pension going to take a hit? Because if we're
if we're all in the same boat, then I'm willing

(20:19):
to entertain the idea. You know, the people that are
making the decisions for us the moment I hear that
making decisions for us that we all have to take
our bye to the crap burger. But they managed to
keep their perks.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
What was what was that saying, Simon that the one
about the burger would I.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
Was checking my words there because I wasn't going to swear.
But we all have to take a bye to the crap.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Burger, take a bite of the crane market.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
I'm not willing to be the whole damn thing. But
you know if you found out the politician the keeping
their perks. There's the close of Chiefs once said I
predict a riot So.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Great song, great band. Yeah please, someone's finally brought up
the Kaisi Sheeps chief.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
I know it's about time.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
And you know, when I was living in England and
this is off topic, we'll get back to the topic.
But there was a headline the lead singer of the
Kaiser Chiefs that appeared I think was it reading and
he put on a bit of weight and there was
a headline in the Sun newspaper. I was reading on
the tube ones and it was I predict a diet
that's pretty good.

Speaker 12 (21:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
Yeah, you gotta get a bit of chubby, but a
great band that could a pension thing. They've got to
get a bit more dynamic with the thinking. And firstly,
if you if you want people to start contributing, you
got to think of ways that what's going to entice
them to do this and not tax the hell out
of them for doing what you're wanting them to do.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, thank you for your call, Simon. So the alternative
that was suggested by Treasury were raising income text by
one third.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
I'll get out of town that's one third.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
That's demoralizing GST to thirty two percent or cutting health
and Wealthia.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Well, I don't like that either.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
This is this is one of the problems with with
you know, life, is that there's just a whole lot
of bad options for something.

Speaker 13 (22:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah, there's no good options, just bad and worse. Right,
it is twenty eight to two headlines with railing coming up.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Bring on a belevolent dictator that makes the hard decisions
for US.

Speaker 14 (22:24):
US talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's
no trouble with a blue bubble. Labor leader Chris Sipkins
says urgent actions needed to end the conflict in Gaza
and deserging all parties to take the opportunity to work
towards peace. Our foreign ministers welcome to plan produced by
US and Israel that includes releasing hostages and IDEF troops

(22:46):
pulling out of Gaza.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
HUMUS is yet to respond.

Speaker 14 (22:50):
Police in Auckland are asking people to come forward with
information as they continue to investigate a fatal assault on
a US student in meadow Bank in April. A machete
was found in a nearby reserve yesterday and is being
forensically tested kitchen things. Staff have received their wages from
stock sell offs, but customers of the liquidated company likely

(23:12):
to be out of luck. A man's suffered headcuts after
crashing through a Dunedin shop window in the second assault
on George Street. In days On Sunday a person was
seriously injured on George Street about twelve thirty am. A
twenty four year old man's appeared in the District Court.
HPV self testing is working. We should celebrate the progress.

(23:34):
You can see the full column at in said Herald
Premium back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we are talking
about the penchion age. Treasury has dropped a report warning
of a staggering future deck crisis if we don't do
something soon. They've recommended slowly raising the penchion age to
seventy two over the next forty years, which is fairly dramatic.
But what do you say this.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Stexas says, if I had to take the pension age
at seventy two, I would start robbing my employer quietly
quit so he would sack me, and then I can
happily live at the beach. You see. Is that what's
going to happen if people if you raise retirement age,
it's going to start. It's going to empower people to
embezzle from their buses.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
I don't know if next treasure re improved, but it
might happen. One yen eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Jeff, Welcome the show.

Speaker 15 (24:16):
How are you? You're right?

Speaker 2 (24:17):
I'm pretty good. You're not too far off retirement? I understand.

Speaker 15 (24:20):
Yeah, I've got a year and a half to go.
I've just started when I was fifteen, and we're normal.
There's two jobs the whole time I've had We're at
two three two elbow operations, three shoulder operations. Here in
a year, I've just had two hips replaced. Wow, and
they have a back shot. So here am I going

(24:41):
to get?

Speaker 2 (24:42):
What business?

Speaker 5 (24:43):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (24:43):
And Jeff?

Speaker 15 (24:44):
I just hard lab working forestry And there's a lot
of guys you know that were around me every day another.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
So yeah, so you're counting down to to retirement. Is
it something that you've got on the calendar marked off?

Speaker 15 (24:58):
Yeah, I'm all set up for her. Yeah, that's well, yeah,
it's just the blue collar is going to have to
have to go longer in the the guy on the
shovel is going to have to go lest some poor
that as far as I should see, I.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Mean, it's so absolutely different Jeff. As I say before,
compared to what would I do, sitting on my ass
talking to a microphone all day is not comparable to
what a lot of other other people do. And we
need people to do all kinds of jobs.

Speaker 15 (25:24):
Yeah, we're marage covering things like that. You're out there
for twelve hours a day. You know, it's not a job, yeah,
day after day. So it's just I'll find it flannning
when they talk like that.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Now, when you say that you're all sort of for retirement,
what do you mean by that? Jeff? Have you managed
to put stuff away?

Speaker 15 (25:44):
I've managed to buy a block and pop forestry on it,
and now I'm on the carbon credits and et cetera,
et cetera. But yeah, it just makes me laugh.

Speaker 10 (25:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
But I guess the problem is that we've got this
bit of a catch twenty two where if we don't
make some kind of changes, then we just won't have
the money for it. So it's one of those things
whether either we make a change or the change will
be forced upon us. And as I was saying before,
I mean the Treasury said you increasing GST the thirty
two percent to cover it.

Speaker 15 (26:11):
So years ago the retirement after was sixty en we
never had g.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, but someone's got to take Yeah, someone's got to
take a hit here, Jeff. And and to be frank,
you won't have to do that. You're or you're two
years away. You're going to You're gonna have your pension absolutely,
and that's the right thing because you can't change the
goalpost that quickly on people. But would you say, is
someone who will enjoy that pension? Looking at me, I'm

(26:38):
forty and I'm steering down the potential that it might
not be there, certainly not to the same extent. Is
that a fair thing in your eyes?

Speaker 16 (26:47):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (26:48):
No, there should be something from the government. They've textured
the whole time. I think that's where that's where the
where the money's gone is not the right places. It's
just getting gobben up somewhere. Yeah, retirement we hadstate.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
But the problem is that The problem Jeff, is that
demographics have changed. So you know, there was the baby
boom and so there was a whole lot of young kids,
and then since then the boomers have had less kids,
and then gen X haven't done their bit and they've
had less kids. And now Tyler's bloody forty still hasn't
had any kids, and then the gen z is are
like planning not have any kids. And so we're getting this,

(27:24):
get this problem. Whether people aren't coming through to support
the old people. It's just laziness, too lazy to have kids,
have babies. We need more taxpayers. Controversial to things to say.
Good luck with your retirement, Jeff, and great to talk
to you.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, good cool. I mean that is a tough part, though,
wasn't it, Because you can't get around that. The trades
and the people that burn out their bodies at an
early age. How do you do that?

Speaker 2 (27:47):
You know, how do you deal with was it three
shoulder operations? Both replaced?

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah, he's more machine than men at this stage. But
what do you say? I really get to hear from you. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It is twenty two,
the issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 6 (28:02):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
They'd be afternoon. It is eighteen to too, so Treasury
says that the pension age should go up to seventy
two or an next forty years, or risk crushing future
generations with the mass of debt.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
What do you say, well, Paul says, Hey, boys, isn't
global woman going to get us all before the time
they want to raise the pension?

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Well, that would that would solve some issues.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
I mean that is that call? Is that solving it?
It would be removing it. A ship sick of the
ongoing lazy approach of coming up with new forms of
tax or raising of the retirement age. It's such a
lazy approach. How about shifting more focus on axing wasteful
spending to free up cash and an even stronger focus
on growing at the revenue for the country as a whole. Yeah,

(28:45):
good texts Anna, welcome the show. You're in your thirties.
I believe I.

Speaker 13 (28:51):
I just ten thirty eight, so I'm probably going to
be in the same boat. If it does end up
impacting us, it's going to impact and impact me quite significantly.
And I get this feeling that there's a common message
here that we need to incentivize people to have more children.

Speaker 17 (29:07):
I have of my own, a boy and a girl.
And I would have had more. However, my mortgage does
not allow me to.

Speaker 13 (29:17):
Be able to spend the most crucial years of my
child's life with them. So after they turn.

Speaker 17 (29:24):
One, I had to go back to work. And that's
that's just what it is. You know, we can't have
more children because it can't afford them.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
That's how the economy is, isn't it How punishing it is,
because we do need more workers coming through and paying
tax so people can retire, but it's too expensive for
people to produce those workers to come through, and that's
why we end up in the situation.

Speaker 13 (29:51):
And you know, there are a few on fire between.

Speaker 17 (29:56):
Households that can afford to live on a single income
because by the time you put those mortgage trades in
place and groceries and everything else, if you're paying for
day here, I mean it is, it's just expensive as
being back at work.

Speaker 13 (30:10):
But yeah, I live in Auckland, and it's just it's impossible.

Speaker 17 (30:14):
It's impossible, So I had to go back to work
full time.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Has anyone done analysis on this? So I was thinking
about this the other day and I was going to
look into it, but I forgot So I should have
maybe shouldn't talk about this right now. But so at
one point, one income was enough to support a whole
house and a whole family in New Zealand, right And
then what happened was it became sort of standard that

(30:38):
there was both both mum and dad or both parents
were out working. But people didn't get richer like people
the houses went twice as wealthy, if you know what
I'm seen. So it feels like the economy just adjusted
to make it now that to survive you need two
people to work. So that was a bit of a
tricky shimmy that happened. And at what point did that happen?

(30:59):
And where did that? Where did that slack go? Where
did that Where did that shift happen? And is it
just that house prices went up so much?

Speaker 18 (31:07):
Is that?

Speaker 10 (31:07):
Is that what it was?

Speaker 2 (31:09):
I'm not sure, but it seems like a system that
works would allow people to be able to reproduce themselves
because where it goes.

Speaker 13 (31:21):
And the saddest thing about it is like you've got
psychological research coming out now with all of these people
being diagnosed with ADHD.

Speaker 17 (31:29):
If you look at the fundamental.

Speaker 13 (31:32):
Necessity of having a child with a parent, a caregiver
for the first one to three years of their life,
so they're not stressed out by being placed into someone
else's random care. They actually become better humans and to
be able to cope with things later on in life.

Speaker 19 (31:50):
But we took that away.

Speaker 17 (31:51):
We took that away as soon as we said no,
men and women are equal.

Speaker 13 (31:55):
They can go and work and and lots of money.
The kids can be looked after an organization of strangers.

Speaker 17 (32:02):
And that's the society we ended up in now.

Speaker 13 (32:05):
And so it's real sad to hear that the solution
is to keep us working into the grave.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Basically, it's an interesting one, isn't it, Because they had
that Targo longitudinal study and they found out exactly what
you're saying, and that the first three years is so
incredibly crucial because if you're if you're a child, you
can enter different zones in the way you see the world.
So whether you see a world where it's a solid
place you can depend on people, and then you can

(32:33):
you can be part of part of things and you're
going to be backed up, or you can go into
an evolutionary state where you are fighting against the world
because you have to be. You've got the signals that
it needs to be a scrappy situation for you to survive,
and you become somewhat of it. You become some sort
of somewhat of an outsider. So it does seem that

(32:54):
we should have an economy such that is possible for
the first three years of the child's life to be
be in the hands of one or other parent. That
would that would be That would be ideal, wouldn't it that?
But that costs a lot of money, doesn't it any?

Speaker 17 (33:10):
Three?

Speaker 13 (33:12):
Yes, me, three, I love that too. Let me know
when that happens.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, we'll get back to you on that one, hopefully
next week sometime.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
We'll write your number, our text you when it happens.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah, all right, thanks you look, what a great call. Right,
We're going to play some messages. Coming up after the break,
we are going to chat to the CEO of Infometrics,
Brad Olsen. He's got a lot to say about what
should happened with the penchion age and our saving scheme
KEI we savers. So he is coming up next. That
is twelve to two.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons News talks.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
For A Good Afternoon, June nine to two. So Treasury
has warned about our staggering future deck crisis unless we
act and do something about the penchion age that I've
suggested are raising it to seventy two over the next
forty years. To discuss this, we're joined by Infometrics CEO
and chief economist Brad Olsen. Get a bread Good Afternoon.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Why does the government tax KEI we save a contributions, well,
because we tax broadly everything to the degree we can,
and that keeps all of the various incomes in a
more sort of I guess, same same manner.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Otherwise you'd have if you didn't tax, for example, your
key we saver contributions, and everyone would put more of
their money in there, and then when they needed it,
you'd have a whole lot of people and trying to
get their money out for hardship and similar So that
the better idea rather than having people warp and sort
of switch around where they put their money, is to
sort of broadly where you can tax everything similarly. Then
you don't have those distortions.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
But isn't saving a problem for us. Don't we have
a large amount of debt and why we have KEI
savers because we need more to move more of our
economy into saving. So wouldn't that be a good thing
to incentivize.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Yes, and broadly we do to a degree because most
of your key we savers are known as pie funds,
which means they get taxed at a lower rate than
what you'd otherwise see if if it wasn't in that system.
So you do have something. But let's be clear, even
if you made some of those various tweaks that are
sometimes suggested to kee we saver, which to be fair,
experts generally say, don't mess with care we saver too
much because the more you change it, the harder it

(35:21):
is for everyone to get their heads around. But even
if you did, Trusuries made it quite clear that without
some pretty substantial changes to SUPER as it currently is,
you'd be seeing the likes of per person payments for
health and New Zealand Super that would double over the
next sort of thirty forty years. It's pretty significant shock
no matter what way you try and do the tinkering

(35:42):
at the edges. So the key we save a question
I mean, is that realistically one of the key ways
we can get out of the situation we're facing. Brad,
A lot of comparison has made with what they do
in Aussie and it's quite a generous SUPER scheme that
they've got in place. Is that where we need to
move to. I think it's part of the solution. And
you've certainly seen a lot more political commentary and actually

(36:04):
political will come out around you know, trying to beef
up keevy Saver in similar over time. But again you're
sort of only changing around where that money comes from
to a degree.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
So yes, it's part of it.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
But I put it this way, if we were to say, look,
we can solve it all by making some changes to
Kiwisaver but not making any changes elsewhere, by not making
any shifts around New Zealand Super, you'd actually get to
the point where, over time you'd have people that would
have quite substantial private savings. That would be the good thing,
but the government would also still be required to pay
out quite a significant amount unless you change SUPER at

(36:38):
the same time. So you do have to do both.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
So is there another option rather than retireing, you know,
raising retirement age, you know, making people work until there's
seventy two, or taxing the Bejesus out of people that
you're already taxed to death, or cutting health and welfare.
I mean, is there another option, because it seems like
every problem we have, we go, oh, well, let's tax
people more.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
There are a few different options. I mean, Treasury put
on the table that if you did nothing else, then
you'd have to pay for everything, increased GST to like
thirty two percent by twenty sixty five, and I think
that'd be pretty unpalatable. I do think that conversations around
the age eligibility you have to come through, not because
I think everyone should definitely work longer, but more because

(37:22):
the social contract that we've all sort of almost signed
up to, if you go back in the day, because
we have changed the age before and it didn't have
the hoopla that we've currently got with it, but we
raised it because over time people were living longer and
therefore spending more of their life on New Zealand super
and we've seen that over time as well, and so again,
you know, looking at where the life expectancy numbers for

(37:44):
New Zealanders have gone, I think there is a reasonable
case to lift it a little bit. But here's probably
the bigger one in my mind. At the moment. We've
got this odd inconsistency where we increase the rate of
New Zealand Super payments by wage infation every year, but
we increase the rate of other benefits, jobs seeking, everything
else by the rate of inflation. Now, if you brought

(38:04):
New Zealand Super back in line with inflation, which means
that super news would still be able to buy the
same basket of goods year after year, they'd be inflation
adjusted and inflation protected, that would go a long way
to ensuring that New Zealand was sustainable over time.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Now, what about the complexity of people doing different types
of work. So whilst you know people are living longer,
people that do more physical work, as has been well discussed,
break down a lot quicker. And it's very easy for
us people like us, like people like yourself that work

(38:40):
in numbers and Tyler and I who sit on our
fat asses talking into microphones, to say that we could
raise the retirement age. But we had a caller before
from a guy who had he's a labor who's had
two hip replacements, three shoulder replacements. He's basically more machine
than man. How would you differentiate that?

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Well, I think we've got to look at the current system,
where we also still don't differentiate. Well, you can't tell
me that a builder is absolutely fine at sixty four
and at sixty five they kil over. My father's in
that category, and I can tell you now that the
man's getting worn down over time. But if we're going
to have to draw some arbitrary line, then you draw
it for everyone. Otherwise it's not going to be universal super.

(39:22):
And look, as an economist, I'm totally open to a
conversation of it not being universal super. But I'm going
to bet my bottom dollar that your listeners will be saying, well,
hold on, it's got to be universal, which means you've
got to put the cut line somewhere. And importantly, again,
we have done this before. If you go back into
the nineteen nineties, previously New Zealand super was at sixty

(39:42):
so I'm pretty sure we would have had the same argument.

Speaker 16 (39:44):
Then.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Now, what you would rather do, in my mind, is
have some sort of transitionary cover so that those who
are clearly a bit stuffed by that age have a
bit more support. But we can make some bigger changes, Brad,
really great to get you on. Thank you so much
for your expertise. That is Brad Olson's CEO of Informetrics,
News Sport and we're the fast approaching stay right here,
will be back soon.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
afternoons used dogs.

Speaker 10 (40:12):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Very good afternoons. You hope you're having a good shoesday.
It is sex Pass too, so.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Tyler and fantastic listeners across their beautiful country. I just
had to get Samarai Cootness to open the door coming
back from the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
It's for IP treatment, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, because I can't get an out of the building
since I've been on holiday. There's been a change. There's
no swipe cards anymore. You've got to download an app,
which I have. But I'm not listed as one of
the people that's allowed in and out, so I'm having
to trouble all kinds of high faluting members of the
exec team to open doors for me so I can
come back from the bathroom to get on in it.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
That is awkward for you, I know, Shane curry sits
right on the corner of the hassle shange.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
I've also punished the media inside it to let me
back in from the bathroom. And there's a hard work
and people they've got they've got a bitter things to do.
I know, we've productivities at an all time low. It
me with people having to let me in from going
to the bathroom. I'm also hydrating heavily because I'm taking
these hydration pills yep for my running. You're weight cutting, yeah, yeah,
So I'm I'm in and out of the bathroom and

(41:19):
so you know, And like I was told this morning
that that I would be allowed access to the building.
But but no, I think I've been quietly fired. Well
I have.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
It's quite a snazzy we says something I've got to say, mate,
I really like it.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Just it's just a passive aggressive way to say that
I'm no longer on the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoon show just by not giving me access to the building.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
But it's because you don't check your emails though, wasn't it. Well,
I mean you kind of do, you kind of don't.
You've got You've got a lot of Edmund running. You're
a very busy man. So you've got multiple emails going on.

Speaker 20 (41:51):
I think I should be get special treatment. I don't
think I should be having to sort out my own
staffs and chick and emails. And in fact, I'm surprised
that someone doesn't, like, you know, come into the bathroom
with me and help me in there.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
There was one of the engineers. It was just there.
If they just shut off end or if they heard
that right. So hopefully some things are happening right now. Mate.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Ah well, this Texas says, I think something's trying to
see the message.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
He'll get it no matter what's on the show. This
is going to be a great chance. So a beloved
local gastro pub, belove to some. We're getting some things
about this already. That is on the Hibiscus coast. It
is losing its right to sell alcohol after a drawing
out battle over noise complaints from neighbors. So this is
part of a brewing company. It's been hit with a

(42:35):
denied license renewal despite its efforts to soundprous, soundproof rather
and limit noise. So the Field's family, they've been longtime neighbors.
They say the loud based live bands and late night
events have destroyed their peace, costing thousands to try and
soundproof their home. Meanwhile, the pub argues it's a vital
community hub hosting cultural events and they've bent over backwards

(42:55):
to accommodate.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Well, look, we'd like to talk specifically about this pub
if we can, if you're in the area and you
know about this exact issue or a lot of people
got a beautiful part of the world.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Fantastic part of the world, lovely high Biscus.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
But we also want to talk about the wider issue,
and we've talked about this on the show before. How
much should the needs for quiet, the need for quiet
of the few, be considered over the needs of the
many to get together and socialize, dance and listen to music.
I mean, we're only talking about eleven o'clock on the
weekends and nine pm on weekdays. So surely if you've

(43:30):
got a couple of people that are gett annoyed by
the noise, then you've got to weigh that up against
all the joy that occurs in an establishment. And what
better in these isolated times and these these trying times
that we live, and for people to get together and
dance and listen to music and socialize, meet other people.

(43:53):
You know, that's what communities are made of.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
We love our pubs, we love to party, are we too?

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Ways our decision making two weighed in favor of the
people that are sitting at home worried about a little
bit of noise. And look, they're saying quite a lot
of noise. They said sometimes sometimes the base was so
so heavy it would shake their house. And there are
accusations that they they haven't put all the soundproofing in

(44:21):
that they should have. But still, I think I think
you've got a it's an interesting question to ask.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yeah, oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call our noise complaints a fear reason
to shut down a popular local venue? Or do they
represent the Nimbi effect as some people may say, Love
to hear your thoughts on this one. Nine ninety two
is the text number?

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Or And also, do you live next door to a
pub or near a pub, or near a venue and
it makes a lot of noise and far from complaining,
you just accept the the the noise and the music,
and the and the cheering and the yelling and the
loud talking. You hear that and you go, oh, that
is my fellow New Zealanders having a good time and

(45:03):
far from annoying. It fools my heart full of joy.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
If that is you last to hear from you, it
is beautifully said mate, very poetic. It is eleven past
to oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighties and number
to call.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
Call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
For a good afternoon to you. So we are talking
about the part of a brewing company. It's on the
High Biscus Coast and it can no longer sell alcohol
for a period after a long drawn out battle over
noise complaints from neighbors. These neighbors, the Fields family, say
that the loud based live bands and late night events
have destroyed their peace. But the pub did hit back
and said that they've done everything they can to try

(45:46):
and accommodate. The live music was shut down at eleven
pm on weekends and nine pm on weekdays, and they
also spent a considerable some on soundproof in itself.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
So is eleven pm on weekends that seems doesn't seem
too late. You can still get your full sleeping still
get you full eight hours in if the music stops
at eleven.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Pretty reasonable to make sleep through to seven. Nine pm
on a weekday, that's all right.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah nine pm in a week down, doesn't I mean,
who's in bed at nine pm?

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Ned Flanders? I can't think of anybody else, you know,
the sun still out at nine pm.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Actually, to be fair, sometimes Tracy and I are like,
we look at the clock and go, oh God, can
we go to bed here? It's eight o'clock. This textas
says I lived across the road from that pub. Thursday
through Saturdays were loud. Never bothered me. Maybe I'm not
old and miserable and frail yet. Yeah, okay, you just
do a drive by on and they just drive by.

(46:39):
But fair enough, Troy, you live close to this taven.

Speaker 12 (46:43):
Oh, I used to live just down the road. I
actually live in one hour, a few k's away. But
I think I was at the opening night of that venue,
and I've been there several times since, and it's one
of the best live music venues definitely on the North Shore,
that's without a doubt. I know the owner quite well,

(47:05):
and he has pumped an enormous amount of money into
their menu to make it, you know, like a world
class pub menu. It's not like it's not like the
old glue pot back in the day.

Speaker 8 (47:18):
You're putting away great venue.

Speaker 21 (47:20):
You know.

Speaker 12 (47:21):
And he said international artists there and obviously a lot
of the top key we artists that played there. It's
a fantastic Can me.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
How many people can can go to see a band there?
How does say?

Speaker 12 (47:32):
It's kind of it's a big area. It used to
be I think it was the old Whistpac Bank and
the shop next door. So I've been there with it.
There's sort of like two fifty three hundred people here.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Oh yeah, and so so so when you say that
it used to be the old whisp Pac or or
or whatever, so it wasn't a bar. So the argument
that that that that, you know, like I always have
with Eden Park. So I lived beside Eden Park and
I love that.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
This concert there.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
In the noise, it's like no one could move by
Dan Park and not know Eden Park was there. So
it's ridiculous to complain about the noise. But but this
this pub was new And how long ago was that opening, Troy, Oh, it.

Speaker 12 (48:08):
Would be I'd be five to six years ago, right,
and that.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Yeah, I'm just having a look at a map. But
you couldn't quite cool it a resard injee area though,
could you. It looks like it's industrial in that little bit.

Speaker 12 (48:22):
Yeah, to the block of shops there with the car
park out the front, and the residential area would be
you know, one hundred meters with the streets on the
other side of the main road there, So they're definitely
houses in the area. But like he's done everything he
can possible in terms of you know, he's cutbackers house.
I think he's cut it back to eleven or offered
to cut it back to eleven pm on the weekends.

(48:45):
I think he's offered to cut it back to nine pm,
you know, during the week and there's not often loud
loud music on. It's normally one night a week, you know.
But you know, they awarded it, they awarded the license.
They're not taking his alcohol license away because he's contravened

(49:06):
the rules around alcohol. It's simply around noise. So it
would be pretty hard to keep their venue going and
without an alcohol license and an alcohol three situation.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
So whenever chie to open an alcohol free bar for
bands to play, it that that's that's crickets and tumbleweed.
So describe the atmosphere and in the bar.

Speaker 11 (49:34):
So, I don't know, a very good that's really like
the setup, And the hiker said, you know, the bar
tops and and the amount of work and money that
he's spent on getting that case over.

Speaker 22 (49:46):
It's a big open space.

Speaker 12 (49:48):
Uh, you know, solid.

Speaker 22 (49:49):
Concrete floors, really nice cables, beautiful lighting, a big bar
that wraps around the whole place, good facilities, good toilets,
tour cables, dart boards down the back.

Speaker 12 (50:01):
Corner, hosting cruise nights and community groups and all sorts
of stuff goes on there, you know, fundraisers for cancer.
The list goes on and on. So mister good Giraffe,
the owner has done a great job. He might have
upset the counsel in some way, I think towards someone's
got a little bee on the bonnot that that two

(50:21):
people can overturn, you know, And it's sad, really, it'll
be sad. I think he's going to license until the
second of December, is what I understand.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Yeah, So for you, Troy, do you think generally and
this one is there's a bit of gray area here,
which is why it's a great discussion, but generally, for you,
you think the joy and the community spirit that this
pub brings to that area should override this particular neighbor
and the multiple noise complaints for the good of the community.
I do interesting, all right, right.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
So that the residence, one of the residents in this
story of Vivian and says, we shouldn't have to spend
this much to get peace and quiet in our own home.
So they're saying that they've had to the couple of
saying that they've had to do a bunch of stuff
to their house to try and block out the sound
coming through. So it's a very difficult thing, isn't it.

(51:15):
So the rights of two people to live in their house,
which it's not full suburbia, you know, it's this isn't Subibia.
I mean it used to be a Westpac. It's in
a sort of shopping center type area. But should those
rights of those people supersede the rights of other people
to go along and have a drink and watch a

(51:35):
band and do music.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I mean, I don't think so though, because if it
is still, if it is zone commercial and a pub
is commercial, those neighbors would have known that they knew
that it was zone commercial and a lot of people
have sympathy and if you've got sympathy for these people
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. But I still think
that's part and parcel that you know the zone areas
before you buy a house, hopefully, but if it has

(51:59):
changed since I bought the house, then maybe that's a
different case.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
All right, This Texas says great venue only just recovering
post COVID, really a great employer of musicians such as myself,
such as shame. Why is loud noise punished by withdrawal
of the alcohol license? It's meant to ruin the business? Clearly,
great food really unique in modern venue. That's from Pauline Nice.
We've got a bunch of calls coming through.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
And just he heads that we are going to have
a chat to the owner. His name is Zin. He's
going to join us in about nine minutes time.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
But love to hear your views.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty's number to call.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
A lot of people saying who was first? They're the
pub or the neighbors. I think that's where it gets complicated,
That's where it gets murky, because I think I don't
know when these neighbors moved in, but it would appear
that the pub come later. It's not a historical thing.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Yeah, it seems that's the case. Yeah, twenty one pass.

Speaker 6 (52:44):
To Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on news Talk
ZB afternoon.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
It's twenty four past two. We're talking about this pub
on the High Biscus Coast. It's lost its right to
sal booze after a long drawn out battle over noise complaints.
So was this fear? Love to hear your thoughts. I
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. The name of the
bar is part of a brewing company.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
And Jenny, you live pretty close to the bar? Is
that correct?

Speaker 10 (53:16):
Yes?

Speaker 18 (53:16):
Yes, I live down the hill from it, and which
is the only residences that are that closed. There are
also some apartment blocks behind it, but still quite a
distance from it. But I don't think the noise. You know,

(53:42):
they've been going for quite a while now, and it
would only be a couple of times I've ever thought
that I had heard the loud music or anything. Because
the wind happens to be blowing in our direction. Whether
that's what's happening to the people who are complaining or not?

Speaker 2 (54:00):
I don't know. Is it a particularly raucous of venue, Jenny.

Speaker 21 (54:08):
One that I've ever noticed.

Speaker 18 (54:09):
No, on the times that I have had this loud music,
I kind of it took me a while to figure
out that it must be coming from there, because I
thought perhaps it could well have been one of the
parties that you're here going on around the area sometime. Yeah, yeah,
of course, you know, they can go on a lot

(54:31):
longer at night sometimes.

Speaker 5 (54:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Well, I mean that's this place's got eleven pm curfew
in the weekends and nine pm in the weekdays. So
you have been along to see a band there or anything, Jenny,
I have.

Speaker 18 (54:43):
I have been there a couple of times, but not
actually when they're when they've got a concert on. But
I've seen numerous advertisements for different events that they've got
on there that I'd like to go to, but I
just haven't actually been there now. But it's a good place, and.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Oh, sorry you continue.

Speaker 18 (55:04):
It's actually one of the few places on the peninsula
that is it. It's actually a place where you can
go out at night if you want to, because it's
quite a quiet Peninsula, and there's not a lot of
eating places, and there's not a lot of bars. There
is one other bar in that complex because it's in

(55:26):
a big shopping complex, but it's just, you know, it
is a quiet area.

Speaker 21 (55:32):
I guess.

Speaker 18 (55:36):
It must be just really impinging on their quietness.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Do you do you feel like generally the community is
supportive of the place and happy to have live music
and such in the neighborhood.

Speaker 10 (55:49):
Does that?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Is that what you get from talking to people in
your name in your area?

Speaker 18 (55:53):
Well, yeah, I think so. I do know somebody that
goes there quite often. They're really news so kind of
a person and he hangs out with that kind of
a crowd as well, so they it's really beneficial to them.
I mean, there is just nowhere else to go. And
you've got to think about all the young people up here.

(56:16):
There are a lot of retired people up here as.

Speaker 12 (56:19):
Well, you know, so.

Speaker 18 (56:21):
That the young people have got to have a place
to go. And this bar is in a big complex
of all the businesses around it are closed at that time,
and so it's quite on its own and just I
don't know how it can be causing that much of

(56:42):
a problem.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Yeah, So if it did get shut down or after
this incident, you know, and he can't serve alcohol. When
he decides that he can't keep it running, that would
have a massive impact on the area.

Speaker 18 (56:59):
Well, I can't really answer that. I think there would
be a lot of people who like to go there,
you know, that would be very disappointed. But to be honest,
actually don't know how many deeply has going there with
all these concerts. But no, as somebody else said, they're
not like they're having them every night. Yeah's trently in

(57:19):
the weekend or something, there might be one and the
rest of the time it is just you know, a
social bar. There's Paul table in there and darts and
the darts guys go there to play darts and you know,
it's just a social place.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Yeah, thank you very much, Jenny Good to get your thoughts, Oh,
one hundred eighty teen eighty is the number to call.
Coming up. We are going to have a chat with
the owner of this particular pub in question. His name
is Zen good Gerati, so we're going to get his
side of things. But love to your thoughts on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty nine to nine two text number.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Tell the bar owner says this texta to buy out
the homeowner if there's only one complainant or swap homes.
Just a thought. Well, I mean it's been pretty expensive
exactly to shut them up. But sometimes you can't because
I know a promoter and it was actually my band
used to tour in summer and we've got all these venues,
and there was a particular venue we played, and we
played it a few years in a row, and there

(58:16):
was only one couple that complained about it every year
and at one point that they snuck on and pulled
out the generator while she had We're playing on New
Year's Eve dirty And the promoters in this area won't
say it. Was offered to fly them on holidays overseas
during the time, offered them everything, and they were like, no,
we want this shut down. So there's some people that

(58:37):
just feel it becomes their cause. This has obviously happened
around Eden Park with you not to name names, but
it becomes their cause and they're not really looking for
a logical solution. It can become punitive. I'm not saying
that's the case in this case, but they just get
entrenched and they want to wield some power against some people,
and some people just hate the cheerful, joyous cheers and

(59:00):
chatterings and dancing and music of other people.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
There are a few of those people, that's for sure,
right there are grunches in our communities. Certainly it is
up us too. Coming up we have a chat with
the owner zo.

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Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. So we've been talking about
the plight of the part of a brewing company it
has lost its right to sell alcohol after a drawn
out battle over noise complaints from its neighbors. Joining us
on the phone right now is the owner of the
brewing company.

Speaker 23 (01:00:36):
Zen.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Good Girardi, Zen, very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 24 (01:00:40):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 10 (01:00:41):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
We're hearing a lot of positive feedback around your bar
coming through on the text machine and phones. Congratulations on that.
Now you've mentioned curfews, soundproofing and you've got a noise
management plan going on. What do you think the district
Licensing Committee still found your efforts insufficient?

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
So be what they have.

Speaker 24 (01:01:05):
In their decision. What they have said that we have
artly implemented the NMP the noise management plans, but I
think they have got it wrong.

Speaker 19 (01:01:15):
What we.

Speaker 24 (01:01:17):
Said was that some of the bands that we have
already booked. We cannot change them. And the ones that
are we are already booking them. They are already part
of the the new noise management plans. So the curfew
that we're talking about eleven, some of the bands they

(01:01:39):
might finish at a quarter past eleven. Most of the
gigs they are finished by eleven thirty anyways, But the
new as but the new plan that we have provided.
In fact, we have most of our bands, we tell
them ten ten thirty and the maximum they can go
is to eleven. Another thing was the noise limits. They

(01:02:02):
call it up, but it's we already have a sound
technician who is looking after it, and he's in full
control of the sound that we have now. Hence uh
so it's all under control. But most of the things
that I feel is very the decision seems to be

(01:02:23):
very excessive and oppressive, to be honest, Well, what do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
You what do you say to those residents who are
saying that that the noise is I mean, if my
claims disrupted their health and well being even after your changes,
what do you think about that? Do you think that sphere?

Speaker 24 (01:02:40):
What in the in the hearing, I went myself and
I say that we empathize with them. So there is
nothing against those neighbors one particular house that we are
talking about here, there is, I mean the neighbors next
door or around the particular objectives are pretty happy. They
are our regular patrons. And yes, we have been working

(01:03:03):
with them. They have my direct number. They can call
me Ma and me any time they can have meat.
They have said it that they have met me eleven times,
but to be honest, they have only made me once.
And we are we haven't taking mitigating efforts to you know,

(01:03:24):
to make it happen for them, but they if if
they think that it's going to happen overnight. I mean
it's a big place, seven of the meters we're talking about,
and just imagine having changes soundproofing the old place which
we have been working on. I have spent considerable amount
of money already tens of thousands of dollars so far,

(01:03:44):
and we are committed to spend more money on it.
But it's that's it's a work in progress and also
the sound part of it. It's not that it's more
of a trial and error. It takes time. Hence the
NMP we say that it's a trial and error it's

(01:04:06):
it's it's partly implemented, and these things attuniation of sound
and everything will take time. It's not going to happen overnight.
And that's what I think the decision, I think that
is gone wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Yeah, the the neighbors in question that are behind the
vast majority, if not all, of these complaints in do
you think they are being reasonable here and trying to
solve this or do you suspect that the end game
for them will be closing you down if snow butts
that's what they want.

Speaker 24 (01:04:40):
No, No, I don't think they want us to be closed,
to be honest, but we have been very hyper sensitive.
That's I think the right word in their hearing and
the hearing itself, they see that they don't want us
to be closed down, so I won't be talking anything else.
All they want is us to, you know, do what

(01:05:02):
we are supposed to do, and we are doing what
we are supposed to do. So I don't know what
went wrong there, but the committee, the d l A,
we have. What I think is that noise given a
very the very advanced part of being of alcohol, I

(01:05:24):
think they are trying to still.

Speaker 12 (01:05:28):
Make some.

Speaker 24 (01:05:31):
Some ruling around it. And we are just happened to
be one of the scapegoats or I don't know right now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Now, if you're pail Files, what options do you do
you have for the business. Would you consider moving changing
your format or would you would you have to have
to shut down if their peel files.

Speaker 24 (01:05:51):
I mean, see the business. We have been here five
years now and COVID. We just opened just before COVID.
Then there was aftermath of COVID. A couple of years
were good, and then the restation came in and it's
it's it's just hard and hard, and I'm getting tired
of this whole thing, and then comes this the alcohol

(01:06:14):
licenses and everything. But the business has survived so far
and we are trying to survive and hopefully if the
appeal appeal should go our way, and if not, then
I can't see anything, to be honest, I mean, we
can just hang our boots to be and I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Think that would be from what I'm reading from a
bunch of takes that are coming through as you talk,
I think that would be a real loss for for
for the community in the area. I mean, it's it's
also a community hub, isn't it. There's there's a bunch
of other stuff that you do in there. There aren't
just bands and and you know entertainment.

Speaker 19 (01:06:54):
I mean we are.

Speaker 24 (01:06:55):
Closely working with the Fundopora College who have their school
things happening. There are so many other things that we
do with the community. I mean there's a line down
in there so that it's I mean we all of
ourselves ourselves social house. And that's if you see a

(01:07:16):
remodel from the d one was is actually that your
house is our house. So that has been a tagline.
So the community loves us. Everybody loves us and in
fact we are trying our best that our objectives would
love us as well.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Yeah, well, Zen, all the very best to you for
the appeal and hope that goes well. You clearly do
have community support there, so all the very best and
hopefully you don't have to close down yet.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Listen to us, we're in our sevenies. This place is great.
We've only been there about five or six times, but
greatly you not extremely loud as the first time we're
there a couple of years ago. The entertainment is great
and usually people there are more of the mature side
fortiesn't up. It's a very well run, well behaved place.
Lots of great people there, ask Susan Paul. I've seen
her there a few times. A great way to go

(01:08:08):
out without having to go into the city.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
Yeah, you go nice, love it. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. You've heard the
owner's point of view. But what do you say if
you live in the area. We've got one line free,
so you'd better get in quick. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is
nineteen to three.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Hey, Matt and Tyler saw the Hoodoo gurus at that bar,
full house rocking out fantastic save the place.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Yeah, that would have been a great night.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
What's the hoodur? Big song? What's My? What's My? What's my?

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
Sing?

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Great song?

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on.
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news talk.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Sa'd be sixteen to three. We've been talking about the
Pidoa Brewing Company. It is losing it's right to sell
alcohol after a big battle over noise complaints from neighbors.
So much support for the bum.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Good luck to this great guy. He was WITHNT me.

Speaker 14 (01:09:00):
Great.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
It was a great, great, great chat. And you could
tell talking to him that he's put a lot of
effort into it and he cares. But it's just gutting
when you hear him saying how he's worn down from it.
You know, COVID took so much away from us, the
COVID and the COVID response and start a bar just
before that, you battle through it. Then you're finally getting
things up and going, and then these what I would

(01:09:21):
describe as unnecessary forces, you know, ramp up to try
and stop you. Says good luck to this great guy,
says they sticks. So do we just all want to
sit at home and order online and work from home
and have no social connection? I mean, that's the crux
of this matter. And how much of a minor sacrifice

(01:09:42):
are you willing to take for the community for a
bit of noise so there can be a bar where
people listen to music and people have a fun and
get together. Tol most reasonable minded Kiwis would enjoy hearing
music and seeing people enjoying life, particularly these days. The
problem nowadays is that the very few who love to
complain are getting heard too easily by counsels who now
love to act heavy. New Zealand is now being run

(01:10:06):
by minorities. Phil said that read the Highbiscus Coast bar issue.
I live close, no problem, and according to this text
that I know the complainant and he has caused issues
with other neighbors and is a very unhappy man. This
is an unfair thing that is happening. Lovely bar and
the only one I would go to on the coast

(01:10:27):
would be a huge loss to the community.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Keep those texts coming in, but nicely, said David, you
may disagree with some of the support though.

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
Good ah.

Speaker 21 (01:10:38):
Yeah, we've been there a number of years. We were
there before the brewery opened, and when I heard it
was going to open, I thought, this is great craft
bear yep, sounds amazing so and it has been. I've
been over there a number times. But to be honest
with you, the music is pretty loud. You've got to

(01:10:58):
be able to lip read if you want to communicate
with anyone. And yeah, I think he could do a
couple of things that would change it so that he
could stay there. One of them is the is the
sound system he's got has got a humongous bass and
it's the d Dolf that gets you. The music's fine,

(01:11:19):
but that bass are you're.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Saying that you're saying so when you're in the bar,
you can't hear people, So you're talking about the noise
in the bar or the noise outside when.

Speaker 21 (01:11:28):
You're in the When you're in the bar, you got
a liperate people.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
That standard if you're going to a venue to see
a band or.

Speaker 21 (01:11:36):
These days, sure, but as a neighbor when I go
to bed, I've got to put up with that duff
stiff diff and it does keep me away. But I
haven't complained because I like the venue.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Yeah yeah, how far away from it are you, David?

Speaker 24 (01:11:51):
Across the road right?

Speaker 21 (01:11:57):
More like one hundred meters?

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Yeah, oh yeah. And so Zena is saying that he's
putting you know, he's in the process, but you know
he's got to get the money together and he's spending
a lot, and he's in the process of doing some soundproofing.
So do you think that as he puts the things.

Speaker 21 (01:12:11):
But if he tweaked his bass it would change everything.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Yeah, but the best that's why.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
But people people love base what it's all about.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
You need it for the drop, David. But it is
funny because the base travels so much. Base travels a
long way, doesn't it.

Speaker 21 (01:12:28):
I know it will shake you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Yeah, yeah, but it is interesting. I mean you're right
in the middle of this, David, that you can see
that the base, you know, causes some issues for you
if you're trying to sleep, but you haven't complained, and
you love the pub as well, so you know clearly
you you're a you're a pretty reasonable sounding guy. I mean,
is the community support that can help Zen find that
money to make some changes. I mean, whether it is

(01:12:51):
he turns down the base that might alleviate things, but
the community can can dig in and help this guy
so he doesn't have to hang up his boots as
he said.

Speaker 21 (01:13:00):
Yeah, I don't know, good thought, but I don't know
whether that's a possibility.

Speaker 24 (01:13:06):
You'd have to.

Speaker 21 (01:13:08):
You know, I'm online following and chase it along though.

Speaker 18 (01:13:11):
Yess.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Maybe we can get your house put on some rubber stoppers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
So the base just now you're thinking, now you're thinking,
give you a right with that navy book.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
We'll come up with a solution. David, Thank you so
much for your call. This bar will go the same
way as the King's arms and Gray lind says this text.
So this was a disaster. The King's Arms on Front
Street was just such a fantastic venue and so important
for Auckland, and then these apartments were built round it,
and the people that moved into these apartments just complained
and complained, and it got to the point whereout building

(01:13:42):
these big walls. They had to build these giant walls
and spend so much money and a lot and ban.
Running bands in a bar doesn't make you a lot
of money. It's not going to make you rich, right, Yeah,
that's just not the way it works. And yeah, eventually
just got so hard for the King's Arms to continue
and I had to close up to parcific issues. And
now it's a huge but very beautiful apartment building. To

(01:14:03):
be fair, I've got some friends that live in there.
It is fantastic. I've actually looked at a place in there.
But the bar has gone.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Now, yeah that's no longer running because we always complaints.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Well, the bar has got leveled in the huge apartment
building the fort on top of it on France Street.
But I've got so many great memories about the King's
Arms and when those things go, they just go and
they don't come back because it's sort of lightning has
to strike for the right situations and the right people
be in the right place that want to do these
things that that that have great things like band scenes
and and so it's a tragedy when they.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
Go yep, oh eight hundred eighty, ten eighty is the number,
Call ten two three back very shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Tony says, just turned down the bass problem solved, but
turn down the base.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
That's what you're there for. That is that is a
beautiful part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
The base, the base, the issues that affect you and
a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath and
Tyler Adams Afternoons News talksb.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
News Talks, there be Paul, get out of you. You're
a promoter.

Speaker 25 (01:15:01):
Hello, how's it going?

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Very good? And what's your thoughts?

Speaker 15 (01:15:05):
Well, actually I.

Speaker 25 (01:15:06):
Moved to the coast there a couple years ago and
was Zen's neighbor, so I was the person that actually
helped him get his bar upper running and we brought
a couple of international bands in there. So like last year,
I bought Skin Dread from the UK and also British Lion,
which was Steve Harris's band of Iron Maid, and so
Steve Harris and.

Speaker 15 (01:15:21):
I stood right there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Wow, Holy mold.

Speaker 25 (01:15:25):
The thing is, yes, there's a few issues around here.
So first of all, it's a fantastic venue and it's
great for local people to see international acts without them
having to go all the way to the city. You know,
there's seven hundred to one thousand people going into that
venue each week for various reasons, you know, from eating
mills to line dancing and whatever.

Speaker 15 (01:15:43):
So it's a real hub.

Speaker 25 (01:15:44):
And it's really come down to a single complaint and
it's all around noise. And I have a bit of
a gripe of the council because they've been using their
phones to actually do the sound meter test, in which
they're not professional. They're not accurate. Wow, then they need
to calibrate their equipment properly and changing the local council laws.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
It's egregious if they're going in there and using their
phones to get the sound readings and then making decisions
that have seek people's businesses. There's there's negligent.

Speaker 10 (01:16:11):
There is.

Speaker 25 (01:16:13):
And I've been the unfortunately one of the nights that
you have an international there, we did have a sound
debatement and it was pretty loud, to be honest, and
that's sometimes down to the international sound guy. You know,
you want to sort of advise them to keep it down,
but they get excited. And also they've been doing it
for years to party death.

Speaker 24 (01:16:35):
You'd be honest, but yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:16:37):
I mean really the main thing here as well is
I believe it's a commercially zoned business in the commercial zone,
but it's right next to residents. So there again, the
council need to look at this matter individually and not
go to their rule book and sort of you know,
do their usual rules. Basically, someone needs to look at
it and actually have a good think about it and
look at zeen situation.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
And yeah, thank you Paula. Hopefully they do leanne just quickly.
We're running out of time, but would love to hear
your thoughts.

Speaker 16 (01:17:04):
Ah Hi, guys, look, it will be a huge loss
to the ere we effect does close down. We've had
lots of gigs there and that really well run. It's professionals.
There's never any crap going on or fights, and they
do finish early. It's not like they're going past midnight.
It's a normal always around that you live in Mark
and I mean, how many venues can you tip go

(01:17:26):
along with your adult codes and have a good dance
of them and listen to some good music and just
enjoy life. Everything's got so serious and mundane.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
You're making me well up. Yeah, I love that attitude.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
That's brilliant, you know.

Speaker 26 (01:17:41):
Yeah, this and one gig, I will organize a bus
because we live an no room. We go out to
Stadle Bay to go there because they had so many
great gigs on and we had about twenty two on
the bus and we picked up different friends and they're
on the way. You know, you'd be responsible with your driving.
You do all the right things, and then you've got
one complaint that's going to just ruin everything.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Yeah, it's terrible, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Nicely sadly and what a great New Zealander you are.

Speaker 7 (01:18:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Absolutely, And I think the sounds of other keys and
joying music, dancing and spending time together are joyous sounds.
And it's hard to make a venue work, but they
are so important for us in these times of doom, doom,
scrolling and social isolation. So I think we should tread
very carefully when we hassle these places. They should be
celebrating the people that open these businesses, should be celebrated

(01:18:28):
because when they go, they don't come back, and our
lives get much duller for it. So don't always have
to listen to the winges.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Yeah, nicely said right. Coming up after three, let's have
a chat about rats. Do we need to befriend the rats?
That's what they're trying to do in Paris. Anyway, this
is going to be a great chat.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Looking forward to this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
Your new homes are insateful and entertaining. Talk It's Matty
and Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
On News Talk sebby very good afternoons. You welcome back
into the program sex past three. Really good to have
your company as always, and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
We move on to an issue that could not be
more important.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Yeah, this is a biggie.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
It is a human wide issue.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
It is a massive issue.

Speaker 12 (01:19:17):
This is huge.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty Yeah, rats, rats, let's
talk about rats.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
So Paris a lot to love about Paris, good food,
grete wine, the Eiffel Tower, the city I love. But
also it's got a massive rat population. Everybody knows that.
When you think about Paris, clearly they outnumber the human
residence by a long shot. But now the city's deputy
mirror emir. His name is Gregory Morow. He's stirring the
pot by calling for coexistence with rats.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
It's a crazy it's a crazy thing he's doing.

Speaker 21 (01:19:47):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
He claims that rats eat one hundred tons of Paris
waste daily, aiding sewers and cleanliness such. You know, that's
a fair point to that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Yeah, they do love eating waste.

Speaker 5 (01:20:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
So, and he says that the only reason why we
hate them is historical anger about the bubonic play.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
And he's living up to the stance. He's got a
pet rat that he's called Plume. So he carried his
plume with them around the city to challenge niggative stereotypes
and push for more humane, eco friendly best control.

Speaker 5 (01:20:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Well, whatever's going on right now and the amount of
rat control they've got in Paris, it's not working because
rats currently outnumber Parisians, which is a terrifying thought if
you're in my opinion. So, I've killed many rats in
my life. I've killed a lot of rats in my life.

(01:20:44):
But is it time for a truce between humans and rodents?
You are you open? Wait one hundred and eighty ten
eighty for a truce to let them run free? Rats,
or have you been wronged like I've been wronged and
you're still out for revenge because I think a lot
of us in New Zealand have had terrible experiences with rats.

(01:21:04):
When I was living in London, I got chased down
for Fulham High Street by by a massive rat. Because
some of the rats in London, European rats are huge.
They live in the sewers and they come out and
they are terrifying.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
How big are we talking like cat size?

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
I think it was cat size. So it started following me.
It was late at night, it started following me. I
had a big night out and this rat started following
me down Fulham High Street and back to my flat
and I say, is this rat following me? First? And
then I looked back and it was still following me.
And then finally I started. I started walking faster, and

(01:21:40):
the rats started walking faster after me, scurling along this terrriful,
terrifying rat. And then I went down the stairs because
it was a basement flat, and then the rat followed
me down the stairs and then I ran in the
door and slammed the door, and then the rat was
scratching on the door.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
You were lucky it almost hit you.

Speaker 5 (01:21:56):
So what are we.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Supposed to live in harmony with beasts that behave like that?

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
It's a lot of trauma for you, mate. Yeah, when
you said you got chased by I thought you meant
rats like plural, Like there was you know, almost like
a plague of rats coming from you. Not just one
giant mutant rat. It's just one to bid you up.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
It was just one king rat.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
King rat wanted to take you out.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
And yes, I'd had a lot to drink.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
Yeah, I was asking question, but I think that was
well implied.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
But yeah, I mean everyone has a story in their
life where we're a rat has wronged them, and so
I'd love to hear those stories. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty people growing up on farms. I remember one
of my jobs in the morning on the farm was
to feed the chickens, and I had to make the
chicken mash, and the chicken mash sheard to go and
feed all the chickens. That's a tough job. It is

(01:22:44):
because the rats enjoyed. The rats loved the chicken mash. Shit.
You'd have to go in and have to bang with
the pot on the door to scare the rats before
I went in.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Love that oh ee hundred eighty ten eighty love to
hear your rat stories. And also, have we mistreated rats
a little bit? Do we need to co exist a
bit more? If you've got there's a lot of people
with pet rats out there.

Speaker 15 (01:23:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
And I've got to say I've never I've had some
stories with mice, rats and me. We get on all right.
I leave rats alone and they leave me alone. But
what do you say, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Time to forgive them for the events of the sixth
century and the fourteenth century, the Black Death? Is it time?
I mean the last time that actually, look, the last
time there was the third I think, I think the
last time we had any kind of bibonic pag that

(01:23:38):
we could blame on the rats was about late eighteen nineties, right, Yeah,
a couple of hundred year yeah, but most most of
the damage was done between about thirteen fifty and maybe
maybe mid thirteen forties and thirteen fifty one, mid thirteen fifties. Yeah,
So it was it time for us, time to let
it go.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
It was a tough time, no doubt about it, you know,
but fourteenth century rats had something to answer for then,
but you know it was a couple of hundred years ago. Oh,
one hundred eighty ten eighty. Keen on your rat stories.
It is eleven past three.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
What kind of pipe were you hang on?

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
I see where they're gone with that?

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Or what kind of pipe were you playing at two
o'clock in the morning. That's victim blaming. I wasn't running
a pied piper situation on Fulham High Street. Sounded like
I was being stalked by an aggressive rat.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Stork said, be good afternoons. You we're talking about rats.
The Deputy Mayor of Paris, Grigory Morow, he wants to
call for a coexistence with the rodents. They've got a
rat problem. But we're asking for your rat stories. I
like one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
And there's a lot of people coming through on the
text machine that have been hurt by rats in their
time and are not ready for a truce.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Traumatic.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
But Julie, you are a rat fan, you're a rat apologist.

Speaker 10 (01:24:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:24:52):
A long time ago, I had a couple of pet rats.
So we're black and white, and they were brothers, and
I called them mocker and large nice and I just
put them up and they've run up your arm and
then in the back of your new tune it could
just just gentually look cudable and thattortest thing. And they
you know, people sort of think they're scary, but to

(01:25:14):
some people I suppose are really it's Terry. I know
at one time, there was many years ago that Terry
Woodham was on the nighttime talk and this way this
lady rang up and she had a rat, came up
for a toilet when when when she looked at when
she looked into the toilets, she saw those water rats

(01:25:36):
swimming around.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
It's about far.

Speaker 7 (01:25:41):
Yeah, poor poor.

Speaker 27 (01:25:42):
Cary would have jusih are better having an attack of
the vapors?

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
And were you scared of rats at any point? Were
you just always open to them before you had these
pet rats? Did you do you go? You've always liked
rats and I want to get.

Speaker 10 (01:25:56):
A couple yep, yeah, yep.

Speaker 27 (01:25:58):
No, there's definitely sweet little quitters.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
But but what about that? What about their horrible gnarly
teeth and there and their horrible leathery Yeah, the.

Speaker 27 (01:26:09):
Tale I think Britons the thing that most because people
think it's like a snake, But I mean for me,
there were a lot worse two the good woman rats
running around and there are four the good ones.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Yeah, what did you feed them?

Speaker 27 (01:26:23):
July just brain mixed said, I got from the pitch shop,
you know, like wegs and corner and stuff like that,
and they eat bits potato and sort of stuff like that.
And say, but I just loved them for bits.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
What about what about wild rats? Have you got a
problem with wild rats? You you've got your friendly little
mocker and arte, But what about just if a rat
came running through your lounge and you didn't know it?

Speaker 8 (01:26:48):
Yeah, well I've.

Speaker 27 (01:26:50):
Got cats as well. So the rat came and the
cats had habit, but I had a big one. It
was just a medium sized ginger and like cat. And
I called him Titch and he was a rat catcher
and killer like you've even never seen the like wow.
And he always used to sleeves of right where I
was walking to my car, and I looked down about

(01:27:12):
leaping the arm and swear and anyway, there was a
guy walking past one day and I just sprat was out,
soide did it? And I went and got a paper
couple of paper towels and I picked the rat up
and held it up to this guy who was driving home,
and I think he probably need to go need to
go home, and we should. I mean, he knew your

(01:27:33):
home and change his pants. And I measured the rat
and it was without a word of a lie. Get
how much you know, from the end of its nose
to the tip of would say, get how much it was?
You stupid boy?

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
You say sixty.

Speaker 27 (01:27:55):
I don't think she needs to meet just but this
one was sixteen inches long.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Julie's on both sides of the wars, so she's got
pet rats sometimes, but also she's happy to suck her
cats onto rat.

Speaker 6 (01:28:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
The rats are on a short leash that if they
put a foot roll was it titch touch the ginger catch?

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
We'll get you, oh, Paul, so you can you can
you can speak to this rat that hassled me in
on Fulham High Street. So you were a rat catcher
in London? Is that correct?

Speaker 10 (01:28:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:28:27):
Back in the days the two footy seasons to going
now is that ninety two ninety three?

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Oh yep.

Speaker 10 (01:28:32):
So this was.

Speaker 8 (01:28:34):
Whether it was my fold or not, Whether that rat came.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Up NOI because this would have been about two thousand
and five, So it was outside of your jurisdiction that
that rat. But will you be able to confirm you
must have did you experience did you see some big,
big rats in London in your time as a rat catcher?

Speaker 8 (01:28:54):
It certainly did, especially outside QPR Football Ground. There was
a few big ones there, even to the point they
were going up like that lady said before, They were
going up the toilets and coming out and.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Not a present vulnerable a situation to be and when
they come up through the toilet.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
So you've been on the front line and the battle
against rats. How did you catch the rats? Were you
a catcher or a killer of rats? Paul more a killer?

Speaker 28 (01:29:20):
There was a few that you had to catch because
they were like, if you want to put a good
word to like spreaders. So you had to like put
them out of there, put them out of the MISERI.
But there's not a poison beata down so you know
the manholes, just individual manholes right down like the main
streams of Fulham and hamisteas pulling those up and making
sure that there was infestations.

Speaker 10 (01:29:40):
So you just.

Speaker 28 (01:29:40):
Concentrate on that area pretty much until they're all gone.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
And why do rats need to be got rid of
because they've got this Parisian deputy mayor who's saying that
we need to live in harmony with rats and that
they eat a lot of rubbish. What what is it
that we need to kill rats?

Speaker 24 (01:29:57):
Paul, Well, I think the old tradition.

Speaker 8 (01:30:01):
They're pretty much diseased with another they're just carrying it everywhere.
So maybe the bit of a rat himself.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Yeah, I mean, if they're coming, I mean I don't
think there's anyone wants them coming up the toilets.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
No, No, I mean if you're the biggest rat lover
out there, nobody wants there. It's a vulnerable time in
anyone's life.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Toilets should be one way operations. Things go away that
don't come come up.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Paul, just listening to that story, did you ever come
across a particular rat that was well known in the
area that kind of sized up particular people and chase
them down streets.

Speaker 8 (01:30:38):
I just probably more rats that were looking for people
that they could be mates with.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Think so you might have been a drinking buddy. Do
you think that rat that followed me down Fulham High
Street was actually trying to be friends?

Speaker 8 (01:30:49):
He was like, hey mate, no, maybe catch up with
me one day and just pass on the regards that
it's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
And did you ever hear of any red attacks? Like
so I was, I was speeding up and walking away
from this rat like it was Jack the Ripper or
something on misty London night. But did the rats ever
attack people, bite people? Any of that kind of stuff happened, Paul?

Speaker 8 (01:31:17):
So the only ones that generally heard of things like
that is protecting the young.

Speaker 6 (01:31:21):
So with ye, So you could have walked.

Speaker 8 (01:31:24):
Near a nest and that could have been.

Speaker 16 (01:31:27):
Away.

Speaker 8 (01:31:28):
Yeah, yeah, otherwise they're keeping to themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
That one goes, Yeah, did you have any were you
ever partial to any numbers of how many rats there
were running around in London? Because you know this this
report saying there's more rats than there are people in
Paris nowadays, even though you wouldn't see them because I
guess they're in the sewers, But you know what kind
of numbers of rats were running around London?

Speaker 10 (01:31:49):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:31:49):
They were shocking. Some of the man holes you'd open
up it was pretty much empty. And other ones you'd
open up, which were near more restaurants and whatever, there
was just infestation. It was horrible.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
Wow, how many directing you took out in your time, Paul,
did you have a bit of a you know, a
leader bar so who took out the rats batically.

Speaker 8 (01:32:10):
You couldn't keep count because you throw poison down, so
they're basically going away drinking is dying somewhere, if that
makes sense.

Speaker 6 (01:32:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
Well it's a hell of a job and someone had
to do it, Paul and Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
Gen Look, thank Paul, thank you for your service. Yeah. Unfortunately,
unfortunately you let one through and then and that one
nearly killed me, or it might have wanted to be
made with you boys in nouage and water. Rat long
tail with yellow orange teeth bit my elder brother in
the nap of his neck. It was in the late fifties.
And antibiotics when you were not specific. Local doc said,

(01:32:44):
if he didn't have basic penicil, and my brother would
have died. It didn't help that my old man gave
us a half crown for each rat. We dispatched them
with a twenty two slug at a rat cage that
we put ham Rhyns in with the fat rats couldn't
resist just running a king rat situation.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Eighty is number to call somebody. Rat stories coming through, So.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Is it time to call a truce between human and rodent,
as the deputy mayor of Paris, Gregory Moreau, is claiming.

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on news Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
ZV afternoon twenty five past three. We're talking about rats.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Breaking news out. A lot of the reason, as this
Parisian Deputy Mayor, Grigory Moreau is saying, is that's a
hangover from the bubonic plague, that we hate rats. And
he thinks it's unfairyep and he might be right. I've
just been doing a liittle research. According to the study
from twenty eighteen, rats were likely not the primary cause

(01:33:50):
of the Black Death. Rather, it was dirty us humans.
Human born parasites such as fleas in our clothes and
the clothes back then in body lives, are now thought
to have been the main victors, especially for the major
eight outbreak in the fourteenth and nineteenth centuries in Europe.

Speaker 29 (01:34:06):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
In fact, a study of found that gerbils that people
had around for whatever reason, no questions being asked, they're
no judgment, may have been more involved in the initial
outbreak than rats. And yet we're not.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
We're not running after Gil.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
We're not going hard on the Gerbils.

Speaker 14 (01:34:21):
Are we?

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
Maybe we should?

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
And another study has found that parasites for spreading rats
were the parasites that were the main cause of the
Black Death, had absolutely nothing to do with rats.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
Justice for rats. Yeah, but never trust a person with
a giubil. You're quite right there, Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 29 (01:34:41):
Okay, it's actually not Paul anymore. It's his daughter.

Speaker 26 (01:34:43):
He's had to go to work.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Ah, well, hello, Paul daughter, you can.

Speaker 29 (01:34:48):
He's left me with the story.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
Okay, oh good, Well but great. What's your name?

Speaker 29 (01:34:53):
Sorry, Casey Brithers.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Casey, Casey, welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
All right, so we're very keen to hear this rat story. Casey,
let's hear about this rat.

Speaker 29 (01:35:02):
Okay, Well, we've had kit rats for a while, like
my whole life pretty much. I may seem we've had
them for ten years old less. And we riscued these
these two white little they were gorgeous rats. They were
so sweet, and one of them actually got out.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Where did you rescue them from? Casey? What do you
mean you riscued them?

Speaker 21 (01:35:25):
Just?

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Okay? Right, so they were always pits. You didn't risk
them from a rat trap. They went wild rats. They
were they were always piped yep.

Speaker 29 (01:35:35):
But yeah, one of them actually got out and it
Bride was a wild rat around our house. We had
like twenty baby rats just running around.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
That's a horror show for a lot of people. How
did that affect you?

Speaker 19 (01:35:53):
Oh?

Speaker 29 (01:35:53):
It was terrible. And my dad he didn't mind us
having pit rats, but oh he hated the main.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
Ones.

Speaker 29 (01:36:01):
I'd always puck our pit rats onto them and it's
would be so mad.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Sort of a montague and capulot situation with the rat
getting out and you know, breeding from a different family,
a plague on both your houses type situation. So how
did you get rid of that infestation casey Oh, we.

Speaker 29 (01:36:21):
Didn't really that. We just kind of let them road
free of it.

Speaker 19 (01:36:25):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Was there hope for some of the hybrids? You know,
like some of them would have been maybe more fearal
and some of them may be a bit more tame.

Speaker 29 (01:36:33):
I don't know if any of them would be tame, really,
we don't know if we're our hit one with he
just disappeared.

Speaker 7 (01:36:40):
And a bunch of.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Yeah, so it didn't even look after It was just
like an absent father just got out much Yeah, so
does wild oats and left twenty rat infestation in your house.
What was it like to bring friends around to this
rat and fisted house?

Speaker 29 (01:36:56):
Oh well, I think dad's trends saw like they'll be
out on a Saturday night out on the balcony and
it's just the little little white rats running.

Speaker 11 (01:37:04):
Around in the.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
So bad good and so has there been any more
pet rats or risky rats in the house or did
this put you off running a ratterie.

Speaker 29 (01:37:17):
The other rat that stayed with us that the other
one got out, it's brother pretty much. This is around
Christmas time and one of the offsprings got inside of
our house and attacked our pit rat.

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
At the time, Oh wow, wow.

Speaker 29 (01:37:36):
We were all sitting in the living room and I
was just playing around with my rats, and he was
like looking behind the couch and smiththing real like rapidly,
and I was that confused, and Mom was like, just
want chickens do something like we thought there was like
food or something that got dropped behind there. And then
all of a sudden, I just hear a bunch of
squeaking and rustling and stuff, and my rat actually got

(01:37:59):
pulled behind the couch and there's a massive fight and stuff,
and this big like white and black rat just came
running out, ran through the front door, tried to hidden
through the cat door again and shamblesh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
So this rat's gone out of his way to attack
your friendly pet rat.

Speaker 5 (01:38:17):
What an.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
This is why the war continues because there may be
some good rats out there, but there are just these
bad eggs, these bad operators that are that's shocking.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
But it's rat families at war, though, wasn't it? Because
clearly that rat had some lineage involved with your pet rat,
didn't it. Yeah, pretty much, you've created some sort of
succession situation going on.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
It's a king rat situation. You've created like a hybrid,
super powerful killer rat.

Speaker 7 (01:38:49):
Much.

Speaker 29 (01:38:49):
Yeah, our rat, we loved him so much that he
had we had to take him to the vet. And
we spent a thousand dollars on him.

Speaker 30 (01:38:58):
Wow, from the from the injuries, from the from the
rogue hybrid pet wild rat that attacked one of its
parents in a thousand bucks why not?

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Wow, he got he.

Speaker 29 (01:39:14):
Got like three massive bite marks and obviously they got infected,
so he constantly had to keep buying more and he
boiled it for the little guy, and then he ended
up dying from a respiratory in fiction, his hard.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Life being that rat.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
You've gone through a lot of rat based pain and
experience in your short amount of years on this planet.
But thank you so much for sharing. I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
So how a story casey? Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm
not sure that we end up on the pro rest
Or Conrad after that one. I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
I don't know wh where that sits on our discussion.
And I'd love to hear from you on one hundred
and eighty ten eighty nine, two ninety two whether that
changes your opinions on whether we should call a truce
between human and rodent. I think that's yeah, that's muddy
the waters for me.

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Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:41:23):
Roylean having a great discussion about rats, and the reason
we're having that discussion is there's a deputy mayor in Paris.
His name is Gregory Moreau. He's got a pitt rat
in himself called Plume, and he says it's time for
a bit of an armistice between us and the rats.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
I used to flat with this young lady called Wendy
and she had dreads. This was in High Street and Dunedin,
and she'd have she had a rat that would run
around in her dreads.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
Oh yuck.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
So she'd come out of her room. It was quite
a big flat, and then she just walked past and
then a rat would be sort of moving in and
out of her dreads. Was very Meducia like it. I
didn't enjoy it. She was lovely, lovely person windy, but
I didn't enjoy that part of her. My youngest son
says this text to write a book titled Pitts Versus
Pists Versus Pests about exactly the problem between the pet

(01:42:10):
rats and the feral ones when he was eleven. He
loved the play on words. But also, I think it's
an insight into this discussion on the show right now.
A funny little tale of a rumble between pet rats
and pest rats. Can you guess who won? Thanks and
enjoying your chats, Matt and Tyler yeah. I mean that
was a horrific story there from Casey around the pet

(01:42:32):
rat that got attacked by a faral rat And as
someone says, wasn't that essentially the plot to Gremlins? It
kind of was great movie Gremlins.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
Yeah, very good point, James. So were you all right?

Speaker 4 (01:42:45):
Yeah? Basically I think the first country. I think keeping
the war on rats are going is a good idea
basically because we humans are responsible for bringing them here.
I mean, back before we big ugly things from two

(01:43:05):
leagues and arm started showing up, the country was basically
a land basically of birds and insects.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
It's a very good point, James.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
With no rats at all.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
They those rats as soon as they came in, they
absolutely just laid waste and they just came here rats
and went, oh my god, this is so great. These
these eggs, these eggs everywhere, these chicks everywhere. They loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:30):
Buffet.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
Yeah, and no predators to to push back, no predators.

Speaker 4 (01:43:34):
To take them on. The only the only real wing
predator we have is a short, short range falcon.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
We need some good owls in this country. Owls love
a good rat.

Speaker 4 (01:43:47):
Yes, there was more hawks an owl, but.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
So did did, So what's the the our falcon? Because
could our falcon? Does our falcon ever get get on
the rats?

Speaker 5 (01:44:00):
Must do?

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
I see it circling? Sometimes done it?

Speaker 4 (01:44:03):
Some stays? I mean must you know it would have
gone from praise these we we don't have an eagle
anymore because the mar is gone.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Yeah, so yeah, the Carrera era that was that. You know,
I've got an interesting theory on those. Yeah, yeah, oh
the Haasht eagle that went after the Mars. Thanks for
your call, James, But that's a that's a very good point.
And Ben agrees on the text rats seet our native
birds kill all the rats. So Ben and James think
the war against rats should continue. They definitely New Zealand

(01:44:37):
was definitely not prepared for rats. No, that's for sure.
Our flora and fauna was not ready. No, not ready.

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
They had a good time when they came here. Oh
my god, who Pardie Central. Absolutely yeah, oh one hundred
and eighty ten eighty love to hear your rat stories.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
Eighteen forty five years ago, I might have wagged school
as you do. My friend and I used to go
under the wharf in Wellington to have a slice, smoke
and a fish nice. The rats under the wolves were
the size of small dogs, eyes glowing in the dark,
and then running around the beams. First time I saw one,
I got sick, fright, and I fell in the drink.

(01:45:12):
There you go, kill all rat.

Speaker 3 (01:45:13):
A rat the size of a dog, that would be terrifying.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call, Jennifer.

Speaker 12 (01:45:20):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
I thank you, and you've got a rat story for us.

Speaker 31 (01:45:25):
Yeah, a rat was responsible for me getting to know
all my lecturers and political science when I was at
Canterbury University.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
This is a good start.

Speaker 31 (01:45:33):
I mean normally a first year student only learned their
you know, gets to know their tutor. But we had
political science at night, I think it was between nine
and ten and we went and it was about my
second year university back in nineteen seventy one, and there
was the young guy that was taking the political philosophy lectures,

(01:45:57):
was just starting his just started his lecture and he
suddenly just froze and he just stood there shaking, and
I thought, what the hell was wrong with him? So anyway,
I stood up and there was a large rat sitting
right in front of him, about a foot away and
he was terrified. So I said, wait a minute, don't move,
I'll come and get it. So I went down and

(01:46:19):
it was one of the big water rats out of
the avon, and I managed to get my hand just
over its shoulders so it couldn't turn around and bite me.
Carried it out, come back, and the lecturer says, I'm
going to give you an A plus at the end
of the year. I thought, I'll bet you don't. But anyway,
the next day I went to the Political science department

(01:46:41):
and every all the lecturers greeted me by name. They'd
already been told about the rat. But there was a
follow up. It turned out that the class before us,
a psychology class, a group of the guys had seen
this rat down in the university courtyard and had trapped
it in a briefcase and taken it up to scare
their lecturer, and the electurer hadn't been afraid of it,

(01:47:03):
and it had run up amongst the students and had
cleared the lecture hall. But when we came in, it
was down the front again, putting on our lecturer.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
So it sounds like you had some experience with rats before, Jennifer,
So what did you do. So you went up in
your city. You grabbed it by the shoulder so it
didn't turn around and bite you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
So it's a rat big enough to have a shoulder.

Speaker 31 (01:47:24):
Oh yeah, they're wide. I mean I could barely get
my hand across it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
Good traps on a rat.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
Wow, thank you for your story, Jennifer.

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
I mean that is a hell of a technique supposedly
right around the leech your.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
Hare tyler, you buffoon. We have the du Oh we
do have an owl.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
Yeah, they take the reds so they're quite small. Ouse.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
Ah yeah, I mean do they do they? They they'll
take out a mouse. I'll tell you what if you
if you've got mice, it means you don't have rats.
That's that's I've always been being told. Yeah, so that's
a plus. If you see a mouse running around, I've
got a horrific Actually, I've just remembered another horrific rat
story from my life.

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
You've got a lot of them. Yeah, Man, this and
trauma there.

Speaker 14 (01:48:03):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
That's why I'm not willing to lay down arms against them.
That's why i want to continue the war. You're already
I'm like the Parisian Deputy mayor Gregory Moreau who thinks
that we should have an amnesty between humans and rats.
I'm not willing to lay down. I've got too much,
too much bitterness from things that happen. I'll share this
horrific rat story next actually, and there's a bunch more
coming through that kind of support what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:48:24):
It's seventeen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:48:26):
Have a chat with the lads on eighty eight Matt Heathen,
Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:48:32):
They'd be for a good afternoon to you. We're talking
about rats and hearing your rat stories.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
You muppets. We also have a barn owl in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
I'll accept that. I'll have a we mea coppy here.
I had no idea we had barn owls, because that's
what I was thinking of those gigantic, beautiful barn owls
that they've got in the UK. Love a rat, They
absolutely destroy rats, and it turns out.

Speaker 24 (01:48:52):
We do have them.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
Can a voodoo do a rat? Yes it can, right,
I can, yep. It loves a rat as well, but
prefers mice. I've seen a lab rat cross with a
water rat as big as a cat. When they get
that big they don't look like the normal rat. They
are effing monsters. Is this text. I had a mate
that lost her house because of them. She tried four
years to get rid of them, but lost the war

(01:49:14):
and lost her house. See, you know, we're not going
to call a truce against rodents when people when they're
when they're breeding with water rats and their biggers cats,
and they're monsters and they're.

Speaker 3 (01:49:23):
If they're taking Beeper's home, we can't accept. The war
is not over.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
People are losing their their houses them so quickly. My
rat story, So I heard her. I sat, we had
mice in this house. I set traps for the mice.
I got up in the middle of the night, souse.
I heard a banging where I'd set there. I heard
the rat trap go off, and then I heard some
banging under the couch, and I was like, that seems
bigger than a mouse. So I pulled the couch back
and what do I see? A rat is eating the

(01:49:48):
mouse and the mouse trapp So the mouse was stuck
in the trap, and immediately the rat thought that the
mouse was food and started eating the mouse. How horrific
is that that? I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
See, there's nobody safe from a rat. I would have
thought they'd be kindred spirits, the old mump mice and rats,
But so.

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
I put it in a systeamer lunchbox and shook it
all about. Maria. Welcome to the show. Hi, Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 23 (01:50:11):
Thanks taking my call.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
Thanks for that.

Speaker 23 (01:50:14):
I almost had to hang up because I'm driving after
being an amazing jump in the car and heard you
guys talking about this, and I think I'm going to
have to go to counseling because it's taken me back
to the nineties when I was in a flat in
Mount cal Kinky Street and it was my first feeding
experience in my early twenties, playing with a couple of

(01:50:35):
other guys, and I took myself off to the bar
and there was a hole at the end of the
bars where the GiB and rotted and mixing. This rats
popping a little I don't know whether it was a
he or she popping its head out, and I just screamed,
and it jumped into the bar with me, followed by
two of it's mate Oh my god, and I just

(01:50:57):
I just got to I don't think I've ever moved
as fast in my life, and I screamed out of
that bathroom, out of the house onto the front deck
that out over all of Wellington, screaming this rats and
the reds to my two male flatmates sitting there having
it there looking at me stark naked.

Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
That is a horror show. Not you naked, the rats.

Speaker 8 (01:51:26):
Well, I don't know, maybe maybe both.

Speaker 23 (01:51:28):
But I also recall after the christ Church airport that
I was down on a business trip and I was
shown photos of the size of the rats and the
CBD after, you know, because so much was left isolated
and bakeries and all that with the food, and they
were like small docks.

Speaker 3 (01:51:48):
I forgot about that. Actually, the rats did take over
christ Church from there. That was a hard fought battle.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
So Marie, are you willing to are you? Are you
open to this? This plan from Gregory Moray, the Deputy
mayor of Paris, for a truce between human rights, continue.

Speaker 6 (01:52:03):
The war.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
With you, Matt, kill them anything, everybody, just get serious
about this.

Speaker 5 (01:52:10):
Thank you this.

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
I got rats like so today we've rats coming up
the toilet and that. But I think rats in the
bath is worth three rats in the bath with you.

Speaker 3 (01:52:18):
Burn it all down, just just board up the house,
leave it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
There's some kind of description of hell. Mike well the show.
Hey right, how are you?

Speaker 19 (01:52:30):
Hey? Good?

Speaker 5 (01:52:31):
Good?

Speaker 21 (01:52:32):
Hey, I lived in the bush for fourteen years.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
Oh my, sounds like you're still living in the bush.

Speaker 12 (01:52:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:52:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
Phone lines just came out there, is it?

Speaker 10 (01:52:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:52:44):
You just move around for us.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
Good, that's better, I think.

Speaker 24 (01:52:49):
Yeah, okay, Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:52:50):
There's no such thing as a dirty rat, just like
there's no such thing as a dirty cockroach. Most dirtiest
animal on this planet is a human being. We've got more, big,
cheerier than any other animal.

Speaker 5 (01:53:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
I can't just agree with that more.

Speaker 21 (01:53:03):
The other thing.

Speaker 19 (01:53:04):
The other thing is you said there's no owls in
this country.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
Have you ever heard of a yeah, yep, yep. Mett
did mention that yep.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
Rhythm can r take down a rat as able to
take a take out.

Speaker 19 (01:53:18):
A rat, It can take down the baby ones that
can't take the rats are the ones that are breathe
with the water that can take down the baby ones
that do it around my place every night, or even
go squeak and they go fishing the tree.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
If we take them out before they get as big
as cats, then then we've got a fighting chance on.

Speaker 19 (01:53:38):
The sty didn't you start taking out the food for
the more porks. Brother, So what we've got no food
for the more porks? What you're saying no lizards anymore
because they're talking out those as I'm saying, the human
beings on this plant are the other ones that shouldn't
be here or there?

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
You go, Well, I mean, but all my favorite people
are humans. So I don't want I don't I don't
want no humans. Yeah, all my favorite people are humans.

Speaker 3 (01:54:01):
We all know humans are filthy, but they're not going
to chase you down on London Street.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
As we said before. As we said before, new evidence
suggesced that the rats have unfairly been blamed for the
bubonic prey and it was actually disgusting humans with filthy
clothes and license fleas, and that was what was actually
spreading the bubonic plague. Yeah, and not actually the rats.

Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
But plague aside. You know, there's plenty of blame rats for.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
Lenny, welcome the show.

Speaker 10 (01:54:27):
How you doing. I thought i'd share a couple of things.
I've got an old if your car's down south, and
one of them I said to my kids, I'd had
a few rats, and a few years prior to that
said took the kids down there to the farm and
thought we'll take the car out. I said, absolutely, no rats,
and it's all good, it's all clear. Plenty of rat
boys and around jumping up. We drove down and just

(01:54:48):
got them towards past Moscow and Duneda, and all of
a sudden, my daughter screamed and we just didn't know
what had happened because the little two door cars, so
there's no way the hood or had opened. And my
son turned around and said, it's something rat and it
had come up through the boot and fallen out. It
didn't never roof flying, and it's an old car and
it it was half dead, but it fell out straight

(01:55:10):
onto my daughter. So yeah, I managed to get off
the motorway very quickly, pulled out the phone and I said,
can you just hold one minute. I want to take
a photo of it, but I was panicking so much
it didn't work. But yeah, we named it Bob, that
forget over her coma.

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
Yeah, good rat Bob. That's a great story.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
I mean it's going to affect you with rats start
falling out of the ceiling of the car going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
That'll do it, right. It is seven minutes to four
beg very shortly, the.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
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Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
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Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
Well, I think after hundreds and hundreds of texts and
so many great stories about rats, I think we can
safely say New Zealanders aren't willing to lay down arms
the gates the rats just yet.

Speaker 21 (01:56:02):
Are we?

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
No, very very little support for Deputy Mayor of Paris
Griggy Morrows plans to just let and let live with
with the rats. Death to Rats, Yeah, death Rats. Hey,
thank you so much for listening to the show. Thank
you for all your calls and text The pod will
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