Full Show Podcast: 02 October 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 2nd of October - increasing use of tramadol and other opioids is leading to addiction concerns, and our listeners shared their experiences.

And then, Tyler was looking for advice on firewood as his new place has a fireplace. Once again, the Afternoons audience didn't disappoint.

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello are you great New Zealanders And welcome to Mattain
Tyler Full Show, Podcast number two one, three fourth Thursday,
the second of October twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
There was a show.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I always remember in these intros that we do after
the show to say the topic we don't talk about.
We don't get to the topic of cockups.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Around the fire trucks that were put together in the
UK and then they don't work with the stuff we've
got back here and it's a bit of a cockup
that the fire department are dealing with at the moment.
We don't get to that subject.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
We don't get to that once. We might get to it.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Tomorrow because the story is about tramadole and prescription drug
addiction and the benefits and the risks and such of
dealing with your pain. That chat which just went so well,
so many incredible stories that that blow out to a
good two hour chat that one.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Holy moly, what a drug that is?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, yeah, and surely a record number of calls and
text on the show today. It was just absolutely going
off good Times, loved it.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
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Speaker 3 (01:19):
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Speaker 1 (01:22):
Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.
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Speaker 4 (01:30):
Talk said, be very good afternoon to you. Welcome into
the show. I hope you're having a great Thursday with
ever you're listening day Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Hey, this textas says Tyler, I think the universe is
telling you to come back to christ Church. Everything seems
harder in Auckland. Cheers Maureen. Now that's a question for you, Tyler.
You've been living up here for a wee while. Yeah,
what city do you prefer?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Orknd or christ Church? Put it on the line right now.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
That you're throwing me right under the bus. There, I'm
going to be. I'm going to be a fencer tore here.
I love them both. I love them both for different reasons.
I'll tell you what I do miss up here, though
I've said it before and I know they've got volcano,
but I do miss the mountains. You've got beautiful beaches
up here.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
I just ran up a mountain today, Mount Eden, on
my morning run. Hey, Tyler on the show, We've long
been calling for more people to be tasered, just you know,
I believe back in the day it was better to
get one whack with the cane then set through a detention.
So I've long been talking about people that just need
a quick tasering and then sent on their way for
stupid things that they do.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
In the community.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, you know, you've long been pushed that non lethal,
non lethal, don't clog up the courts, don't find people unduly,
just just administer a tasering and send them on their way.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Take your app in and do better.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
So I was very.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Happy when I was listening to the Hosking Breakfast this
morning to see that he is getting on board with
this agenda.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
Traffic is goodlocked there's a five killing meter tailback because
a digger fell off a truck. Now, what do we
need to do about that? Is it just me being
old and grumpy, But there's too much of this goes on.
There's only one reason a digger falls off the back
of a truck, and that's because they didn't put the
digger on the truck in the first place properly. So
that's going to be ours of delays and productivity is
going to be up the spout, and people are going

(03:14):
to miss meetings, and it's going to be tears in
the back seat for the kids and all that sort
of stuff. But at the end of the day, all
it will happen is that will be nine thousand road cones,
four cops and a whole bunch of people to come
along and pick the digger up and send the truck
on his way, and you might get a ticket of
some description. What we need what do we need to do?
Do we need to taste them?

Speaker 6 (03:29):
We do?

Speaker 4 (03:30):
We need to taste them straight to the taser. That
was number one option sensible policing. You come across someone
that's done something absolutely stupid and you go, god, idiot,
You taser them, and then they feel better about themselves
because they've perceived a punishment, and then everyone just goes
on just as served.

Speaker 7 (03:45):
Yeap.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Job job done. So Mike Hoskin's on board. Next step
Mark Mitchell will be thinking about it, so then job,
job done.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
It's just going to discretionary tasering around idiotic things that
people do.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
I think I Mike can bring that up with Mark
and Jenny at the next Wednesday roundup. That'll be good.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, I can't see any problems at all, any fishucks
for that a way, That's not what we're talking about today.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Is it, Tyler. No, what we are talking about today,
it's going to be a dooozy of a show after
three o'clock. We were talking about firewood a couple of
days ago. Moved into a new place. There's a fireplace,
proper fireplace there, but I was a little bit surprised
by the amount of options out there for fine firewood.
It wasn't what it used to be when I was
a kid. So that's what we're going to have a
chat about buying firewood. Have you still got an open fireplace?

(04:31):
How common are they?

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, lots of texts coming through on us, so there
was yesterday, but we didn't talk about it yesterday. So
people were so excited about firewood, we decided to talk
about it today.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
But yeah, that'll be after three. Look at that.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Just a bunch of tecks came through on fireward just then.
But I'm not going to read that. I'm going to
move on to the next topic.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
We're going to save that for three o'clock. That's going
to be a doozy after two o'clock. A big cockup,
no doubt about it. New Zealand's newest fire trucks meant
to be the backbone of emergency response. They've run into
a major problem. So five year, after five years and
millions of bucks spent twenty eight of these medium sized trucks.
They were built in Britain. They've arrived here, but the
problem is they can't fit all the essential firefighting and re.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Can you imagine that when you realize that mistake you've made.
So you've got these flash trucks and you were so.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Excited to get them out, and then you realize that
either the people that have ordered them from this end
or the people that have put them together in the
UK have cocked it up such that they can't do
what you need them to do.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
So, yeah, what would you do? I mean, generally, if
that was me, I'd change my name, I'd leave the country.
I mean, just imagine that feeling millions and millions of
dollars spend and then you realize that. I mean, it's
got to the point where some of the firehouses aren't
actually using the trucks, so they've just parked them up
because I say, we can't use them.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, so I think if you, if you dig down
into this, both both sides were responsible for this cockup,
both the way they were ordered and the way they
were configured on the other on the other end. But
either way, you know that that's not great. So we
want to talk about cockups. I heard some people bring
through on Kerry Wooden's show this morning about some classic cockups,

(06:12):
not just governmental ones, and there's a lot of those
out there, and there's a lot of council cockups. I
gotta be careful. I nearly said that differently. Maybe I did.
I'll find out in a minute. But anyway, there's a
lot of council ones, but there's one in business, and
I think we've got to accept that everyone.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Is capable of one. Right, Yeah, everyone is capable.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
And ulshear a couple that I've some absolute shocking, large
scale mistakes that I've made that when your full magnitude
of what you've done, you know, arrives in your mind,
when you work it out, it's just the humiliation, the desperation,
the despair, it all covers you.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
I'm looking forward to those stories, that is after two o'clock.
But right now let's have a chat about tramadol. There's
been a sharp rise in prescriptions of the drug, more
than two one hundred and seventy thousand kiwis we're given
the drug last year. So tramadol, it's often prescribed before
or after surgery to manage pain, but as many of
us know, can become incredibly addictive when used over long periods.

(07:12):
Recent workplace drug testing shows tramadol was now making up
over three percent of opioid detections. Yeah, so tramadol is
a more powerful drug than people think it is. And
I've got personal experience with it. I was on it
for a long time.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
With a back injury pop my back out relapsed my
spine while boxing, and which is an odd injury for boxing.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
But I won't go too far into the details there.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
And I was on tramidol for a long time and
it is powerful and I got addicted to the drug.
So I think people need to realize when they take
that drug that it is hard.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
To get off it.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
It's you know, it feels bloody good at the time.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
I mean, I had a fantastic year on it, but
a terrible terrible time getting off it.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
It's a long time a year, yeah, because I think
you know certainly people who even if they prescribe same
month worth, Yeah, that's still enough to get pretty heavily addicted.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well, my operations kept going to getting moved and the
pain was intense, so I just kept going and going
and going, and then the cold turkey on it was intense.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
So can you hear your stories tramadol? Are we a
little bit too loose with handing out that particular drug?
Have you had some experience worth having tramadol and becoming
somewhat addicted? Love to hear your stories. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nineteen
ninety two is the text number. Let's get into it.
It's fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
That'd be afternoons you were talking about tramadol. There's been
a big increase in the number of kiwi's being prescribed
a two hundred and seventy thousand last year. So have
you or someone close to you ever struggled with dependence
or addiction to that particular drug.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Love to hear from you, Greg says, doctors will prescribe
you tramadol as they see fit. I was prescribed it
after knee replacement surgery, even though I said I didn't
want it, even when collecting my prescription, that pharmacy wouldn't
take it back when I told them I would, I
wouldn't use it.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
So it's still sitting in the cupboard. What a waste
of money, do you know what? Such?

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Even though I haven't had tramadol ever since I got
off it because I became addicted to it. Yeah, him
just saying that he had someone on the shelf there
excited me. I was like, I'd like to get my
hands on those.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah, that's addiction for you. Never quite leaves you.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah, it's always a flicker. Greg, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (09:31):
Here you go, boys. I have a chronic pain in
my ips and spying from a disease or a gotha.
I take have You've taken a lot of painkillers and
I would take now. I take a couple of others
and some medicinal stuff the doctor prescribes. But he did
prescribe me some tramadol about eighteen months ago, said give

(09:52):
it a go, because he said, you've done been on
that for a long time. So I took it home
four nights and I took it and then I'll never
touch the stuff. I had the worst horrific dreams you've
ever had in your life four days in a row
and just gives me being dreams. I'll never touch the
stuff again.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's a really weird type of sleep, Greg on tramadola,
isn't it. It's very odd you kind of surf above sleep.
You're not quite asleep, you're not quite awake. Yeah, and
you have absolutely crazy dreams.

Speaker 9 (10:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (10:23):
I just unfortunately for me, they weren't. I wish they
were nice dreams over horrific. So I just figured and
then he prescribed me some th HC. After that. But
the system and us is useless. One that's too expensive
and too they don't really know what they're giving you,
you know. But I've been trying a lot of things

(10:44):
over the years to try and but at the moment
I take I'd never take tremandole again.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
What what what is? What has worked best for you?

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Greg?

Speaker 8 (10:58):
A combination of I take some norflex and something else.
I forget what it's called something or rather, and then
I was.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Sorry, I am I saying that right?

Speaker 8 (11:11):
Anyway, they're most of their painkillers and their norfox a
muscle election. Plus I take some herrible stuff, but I
can't smoke stuff at all. So I take some gummies
because the PC they prescribed as rubbish. I got onto

(11:32):
these when we're in the.

Speaker 10 (11:35):
April, and then we went to one of the Ken
of the shops and they had so much knowledge of
what's in the product and what and she gave me
some gummies over there, and my god, they're amazing. Competed
to the trimer dole here. Didn't wake out feeling for
a lead and so it was just all around better.
So I take a bit of that, and I take

(11:57):
alcohol as well, which is probably all a combination really
bad for you. But I like waking up every morning.

Speaker 11 (12:05):
Not in pain.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, I don't understand that one. Greg, Now, are you
going to be Is there is there any hope? And
you know, not hope it's not the right word, but
is there is this something that you're going to have
to deal with ongoing?

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Or is there a procedure that can help you with
your pain?

Speaker 8 (12:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (12:24):
I'm I'm going to go and see a I'm going
to go and get a I'm not going to get
a MRI skin done, and I'll hopefully get to the
specialist about it. But it's a generative disease as you
get older, so I don't really know whether there's anything
that they can.

Speaker 8 (12:42):
Do well put up the pain and not worry about it.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
It's tough, all the all the best, Greg. Yeah, and
it sounds like the gummies are doing something which is
which is somewhat good news.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
This is an interesting text. And this is what I've
heard as well, this Texas texasyes. I've heard people fall
into one of three camps. When they take tramadole for
one third, it works very well, like with you, Matt,
incredibly well. I love being on it for one third.
It makes them spin out. I've seen that, you know,
and for one third of us has no effect less
than Panada. For those like Matt, it's a bugger of

(13:16):
a habit to kick. Yeah, it is amazing how different
it is for different people.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah. Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty love
to hear from you. Have you faced some difficulties if
you were prescribed tramadole in terms of addiction or if
it made you feel incredibly ill as that text to
point it out.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Well by the number of calls coming through in text,
Tramadole is a big thing in New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yep, hard talk, bold takes big stories. It's the make Hosking.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
Breakfast, just bushop is Housing Ministry, the Dickson Street apartments.

Speaker 8 (13:45):
Things.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
Explain to me how a state owned agency sells something
for a million, The people who buy it under a
first preference deal then flick it for three How does
that work? Well, the land's got a writer first refusal
on it, which means they got to offer it to
the locally weed. But the market paid three million dollars
for it about three minutes for one. I understood it
to be when it came to the Mari there was
something culturally significant, sure, but a duney old building that

(14:07):
you can make a couple of million dollars on by Wednesday?
Is that part of the treaty negotiation settlement processes.

Speaker 7 (14:12):
Yeah, they've got access to a whole lot of land
and Wellington that is part of their deal.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Husking Breakfast with
Vida News Talk ZB twenty four past one.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
We're talking about tramidol. There's been a big rise in
the prescription of that pain medicine. If you've ever been
on tramadol, how did you find it? Did you get addicted?
Love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Our last call was talking about gummies and this Texas
Kate says, Hi, what are gummies? Because I've been told
it may be very helpful for me. Yeah, we're talking
about the medical cannabis gummies. Yes, a lot of people
seem to enjoy them.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Yeah, they're going pretty gangbusters, I think for a lot
of people. Kathy, how are you, Hi, I'm great.

Speaker 12 (14:51):
How are you Guys?

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Going very good? So you were prescribed tramadol after some surgery.

Speaker 12 (14:58):
Yes, I had a full knee replacement last year and
I was prescribed tramadol.

Speaker 13 (15:03):
I was going to.

Speaker 12 (15:05):
I mean I was on a private hospital, so I
was well catered for with medication, et cetera. But I
came out of hospital. First of all, I had problems
with with low blood pressure and they attributed it to
the tremdal, but they still said to keep taking it.
And then I was at a hospital about not quite
two weeks and I was gradually getting really really sick,

(15:26):
and this is apart from the knee, and they I
ended up my daughter calling out an ambulance because all
I could do was, you know, anything I took down.

Speaker 14 (15:37):
I was just vomiting.

Speaker 12 (15:38):
Came about that I had a reaction to the trim
medal and my kidney and my kidney started failing.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Oh wow.

Speaker 12 (15:47):
It was really really bad. And the problem with our
health system at the time, and I'd imagine it's the same,
but you know, I couldn't get any help from my
own GP as I was getting sicker and sicker, and
I was saying, you know, something's not right, you know,
and yeah, so yeah, I beckon hospital and you know,
getting cleaned out. Never will take it again.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Right, And did you? Was this something else? I mean, yeah,
that's definitely not the drug for you, Kathy.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Is there anything else that you can take that works
for paying for you? Kathy?

Speaker 15 (16:19):
Well, I was.

Speaker 12 (16:20):
I ended up being on codine instead. It's not quite
as good powerful, No, No, it's not. It's not. But yeah, yeah,
I think my organs are a little bit more important
than dealing with a bit.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Of pain you need. That's for sure.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
That there's a saying someone can tell me on nineteen
nine two when the medicine becomes the poison.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
There's the same anyway, that was the case for you.
Thanks for you call, Katy. Where are you?

Speaker 2 (16:45):
And you and you and we're in the country at
the moment, so I can hear you when screen wipers going.

Speaker 12 (16:50):
Yeah it's raining. I'm andre just north of Wellington.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
All right, well it's it's way. It's raining in Auckland
as well.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah, solidity somewhat.

Speaker 15 (17:00):
Well.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
I had to.

Speaker 12 (17:00):
I had to come out and get picture because it
was the cheap day at MPD.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
So you know, good tonight's very good to thank you
for calling and all the best.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
I was just talking about my tramadol addiction that I
had that I managed to get off. Yep, Rob says,
I've got some tramadol here, Matt, will you take it
on ear if I send it over to the studio. Now,
see that when I first started talking about that I
had a tramadol addiction. For a while, I talked about
it on Radio Headache and people just started sending in
the tramadol that they hadn't taken. I guess all the

(17:33):
people were the two thirds of people that don't. It
doesn't do much for Yeah, and so package has just
kept arriving with people trying to get me on it.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Enablers. We're just a country of a naboleers.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Massive amount of enablers.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
And then I'd be out walking around and people would
see me and they would slip, like I'd get home
from going to a concert something in my pockets and
people have slipped tramadoles trays of tramadol into my pocket
and trying to get me back on.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
So Rob, No, he's well stopped.

Speaker 9 (17:58):
No.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Oh, one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number
to call. We got headlines with ray Lean coming up,
but plenty of more calls to come.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Gabriel, welcome to the show.

Speaker 16 (18:11):
Hi, Hey, how you going very good?

Speaker 17 (18:14):
Pretty good?

Speaker 18 (18:15):
And I was described tramadol out for giving birth, and
it's quite an interesting one. It stays on the back
of the packet, do not take a freak feeding, which
I was lucky enough to be able to do. So
I just thought it was was quite an interesting process
that it was just sort of handed out without any yeah,

(18:36):
questions or follow up or anything anything like that.

Speaker 16 (18:40):
So, yeah, like lots of coolers.

Speaker 18 (18:41):
Its sitting in the cubin at home.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
So you didn't even take one.

Speaker 16 (18:45):
Of them, no, nine of them.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Could you send those into the studio? No, no, no, no, no,
no no.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Don't enable them, to enable them. But it is funny,
isn't it. Gabriel? And I'm not knocking gps or doctors here,
but I think whether they're under the pump, or whether
there's a belief that most people will check their own medicines.
I just don't know if many people do. I certainly
don't because you trust the GP will give you the
information you need, and sometimes that's not quite the case, right,

(19:12):
You've got to research it yourself.

Speaker 15 (19:15):
Yeah, And I just you.

Speaker 18 (19:17):
Know, I hadn't the pediotomy, which is is it delightful
for anyone who's said one, they'll know and it's you know,
potentially at times the pain was at that level.

Speaker 16 (19:28):
But says don't take it.

Speaker 18 (19:29):
While breastfeeding so or put newborn.

Speaker 16 (19:33):
Baby in danger.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, that's that's a bad prescription. There, hasn't it. If
it's if it says that on there, it's a bad prescription.
So good on you for reading for any the label.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
It's the one good thing I did.

Speaker 18 (19:45):
In the post poster Bert hate.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, because baby brain could could lead you to not
be looking there, couldn't it.

Speaker 19 (19:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (19:54):
Is that still is that still considered a real thing
baby brain?

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Or is that a.

Speaker 18 (19:58):
One hundred percent baby brain? Like it is a real life,
real life problem.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
So what does it you feel like? For me as
a fellow trying to my head around it? Does it
almost like a twenty four hour hangover or something? You
just feel like a fog over you?

Speaker 18 (20:14):
Yeah, you think you know what's going on, and all
of a sudden, it's three days later and something hasn't
happened that needed to, and you're.

Speaker 16 (20:20):
Like, how do I miss that?

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Right?

Speaker 18 (20:23):
Yeah, you're just trying to keep this little thing alive
and it kind of just takes over everything else.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, because what I've read about it is that it's
we're evolved so to absolutely focus just on that baby
in the first in the first wee while. So thats
why it seems like this.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Baby brain is because you know, you're deploying all your
resources just on this helpless newborn baby.

Speaker 18 (20:47):
Think as well, like these days we're expected to just
continue to function like we did. Yeah, Yeah, and we
expect ourselves too.

Speaker 16 (20:55):
But your body is just like nope, no it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Just the baby, yeap, No admin, just the baby. Hey,
thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
No way, thanks great to chat. One hundred and eighty
in eighty is the number to call. So has tramid
old dependence impected you or the life of someone? Are
you you care about? Love to hear from you? It
is bang on one point thirty. Here lies with railing coming.

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Speaker 4 (22:44):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we're talking about tramadad.
There's been a big increase in New Zealander's prescribed the
drug after or prior to surgery two hundred and seventy
thousand last year. But as many people know who have
been on tramadol, it can be highly addictive. So I'd
love to hear from you how it went, if you
will prescribe that medicine or this.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Texas is how Hey, I've been on travedol for years.
One hundred MiG slow release morning and night and fifty
gram's fast release of knee during the day. Started for
my back, but now includes an arm. I don't have
a problem with it. That's interesting. So, yeah, someone was saying,
before you know, how.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Did I know I was addicted?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, I knew was addicted when I tried to lower
my because I was just increasing increasing my dosage.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
I tried to lower it, and then I.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Just started getting incredibly strangely anxious. I could feel the
nose here is, the fingers growing, the nails growing, and
my fingers, my teeth. I think it was because I
hadn't felt anything at all for so long that my
ability to deal with anything had gone. So every part
of me felt really awkward and uncomfortable and slightly painful,

(23:48):
just even my teeth in my guns. And the six said,
how did Matt keep the trama dog? Can he explain that?

Speaker 11 (23:54):
Well?

Speaker 2 (23:54):
What I did is I locked myself in my room
and the family stayed out of there for a while,
and I left the last ten I had in a
pottle in front of the TV, and I just dead
at them because because I talked to my dad, and
he said, you don't.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Want to try and kick when you've got none left? Yeah, yeah,
so that the keys to kick when you could have
some more. So I just stared at it and just
use all my WheelPower not to not to take it.
And I was sick and sweating and full cold turkey
and writhing around and my bed and full of self
hatred and fear for the world, an impending sense of doom,

(24:31):
and every part of my body was annoying and ached,
and my ribs didn't feel like they fat, and my
chest fitted in my chest not fat. I've used the
wrong past edge but didn't and didn't fit in my chest.
And it was just just horrible. And it took about
It took an entire long weekend. I think it was
a labor weekend before I could sort of come back

(24:53):
out and then and then haven't had any sense.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
There is surrender us. That's like a Trainspotting experience, that
is a full noise, lock yourself in a room and
just go cold turkey.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Yeah. Anyway, Sarah, welcome to the show.

Speaker 18 (25:05):
Hi.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Hi, Now you you're continuing to use tramado, was that right?

Speaker 18 (25:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (25:11):
I've been on it for ten years for chronic pain. Yeah,
I was originally on coding and I went to a
new doctor and she's a she's not a very medication
heavy give out stuff. I took our doctor and she
said Nott coding is more addictive than.

Speaker 22 (25:34):
And then tremados.

Speaker 21 (25:34):
They put me on Tramado when I'm on too slow
relieve our slow releases one morning, one night and they
give me They've given me the other fifty milligram one
for pain if I get it during the day, if
I needed that. And I've had no issues, so.

Speaker 15 (25:51):
I get blood.

Speaker 21 (25:52):
I get blood, full blood, blood and on everything every
three months and everything is perfect or my organs are
perfect whatsoever.

Speaker 16 (26:00):
And a lot of people I.

Speaker 21 (26:01):
Talked to her about it, Oh my gosh, I tramadol.
It's so bad, Like yeah, so you do you.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Think some people people have a different reaction to it,
because it seems to me someone was texting through before
that there's three different reactions to it.

Speaker 23 (26:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Some of them just makes them sick, but some of
the people like would seem like me, It just was
so full on and made me feel so good. It
was it was kind of like when I had a
fentanyl the other day. After a procedure, and I just
felt so excited about how good I felt that I
could see myself jumping on it.

Speaker 21 (26:29):
I think, so like, I don't I don't get that,
Like I don't know whether they call it a high
or whatever. I don't get that. Maybe my body's so
used to it.

Speaker 6 (26:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (26:39):
Yeah, And I was always really concerned about I hate
that word addiction, with the dependence on it.

Speaker 12 (26:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (26:45):
And my doctor said to me, as long as I
don't see you needing more and more high dosage or
more more more pearls, she said, then I'm fine. And
I've never I think in ten years, I haven't changed
my you know, dosage or need it more whatsoever.

Speaker 22 (27:02):
So she's happy.

Speaker 21 (27:03):
I mean one side, I did want to come off it,
and they gave me some some drugged to try and
get off it, and the drug was horrendous, And she said,
it's not worth the pain that you're into to try
and take your.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Offer when you offer, right, Yeah, Because I guess the
difference is between you and I, as I just tried
to take.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
More and more and more and more and more and more, whereas.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
You were just quite happy with them out.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
But I guess the slow relief because there is as
you say, so the slow release you take in the
morning and it just sort of gives you a blanket
coverage rights.

Speaker 21 (27:36):
So you've got to take but you want to take
it like I take mine at it's six in the morning,
and then I take mother when at six at night.
So you've got to try because if I feel like
I've forgotten or I've gone out and I go, oh
my gosh, I forgotten to take one with me.

Speaker 20 (27:47):
Then I can.

Speaker 21 (27:48):
The pain slowly comes back, So I guess it just
real releases through your body over a twelve hour period
and just keeps the pain at space. It's like when
you've got a fever and they say you should take
panadole every four hours to keep your temperature at bay
and not let it spike.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
I guess, yeah, now, Sarah, if you don't mind saying,
what was the cause of the pain?

Speaker 21 (28:10):
I've got just like chronic lea pain, and I've had
every piece under the sun, every oh gosh everything. They
just don't know what it is and they just put
the fortunately put it down to chronic pain, which is
a bit.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
Of a bit nothing after it's to a diagnosis.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Oh well, all the best with that, Sarah, and there
we go. Thank you for calling. That's a positive tramadol story.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yeah, working very well for Sarah. I had no idea
you could get the slower at least tramadol, but it
makes sense. Yeah, And as someone like Sarah sees, she
stays on the same dosage and she's been doing that
for ten years and it's helping her live your life.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Well, the positive side of my tramadol addiction was that
I was apparently the most peaceful person you've ever met.
I mean, I don't remember a couple of years of
my youngest son's life when it was on it, but
apparently I was really good at putting him to bed
because I was so calm and yeah, and I was
very happy throughout that time.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Yeah, the perfect father. You just can't remember it.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
I'm just miserable and constantly increasing my dosage and miserable
whenever I lowered it.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
It all nineteen two two. Back in a month.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
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Speaker 6 (29:14):
Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Said be sixteen to two and we are talking about tramadol.
There has been an increase and that drug prescribed to
New Zealanders. But plenty of people it seems like I've
had a hard time when they've been prescribed that drug.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, the EO lots of different sponsors. Some people that's
worked great for them, some people it's done nothing at all,
and some people like market's been an absolute nightmare. Hi, guys,
was on tremmings for over three years. That had destroyed
my life. Total personality changed for days, four days of withdrawal, shakes, sweats,
et cetera. When I stopped after surgery, lost my marriage,
my job, and my house. Won't even take panadole anymore.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Wow from Mark.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Sorry to hear that. Mark. That is at the extreme end.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Craig, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 9 (29:57):
There's a protocol that the doctors have to go through.
I had an injury a few years back and they
started me off on panidole and coding and that wasn't
helping the pain. Then they stepped it up to the
tramadole slow release. Then they stepped it up to slow
release and quick release. By the time this went on

(30:19):
for about a year, and for the last three months
before with surgery, I had an absolute pharmacy of painkillers
next to my bedside from I had Gabba, Penton's, pregabalin,
liquid morphine, oxy codines, and.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Even wow.

Speaker 9 (30:38):
Yeah, I had everything and an absolute agony twenty four
to seven, and I was would say to my doctor
that they were just about to sem me off to
the pain clinic because the doctors can only go so far.
Then I think, if I remember, there's about four steps
that they can take you along and then you've got

(30:59):
to go to the pain clinic. But my surgery came
in and I was really scared I was going to
be hooked because like you, Matt, I had the cob
webs or over my face twenty four seven, your fingernails,
everything was just you knew that you were taking heroin basically,
you know, And I wake up from my surgery, I

(31:22):
was pain free and didn't need them.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
You just didn't need them.

Speaker 9 (31:27):
Wow was that never had anything? And other say I
was swallowing a handful of pills at two o'clock in
the morning because you know, there's only so much talor
you could watch and I would I would overdose and
I'd knock them back with the mouthful of the morphine.
I was in a really bad way. But after my
surgery and I was pain free, never needed.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Them, So that's so that's so interesting.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
So the surgery happened, so the pain that was causing
you to need to take these painkillers had gone, but
you didn't experience any addiction, not not one.

Speaker 9 (32:04):
And when I was speaking to my doctor, he said,
you needed them, right. And I think there's a lot
of people out there that I think, what not everybody.
There's a lot of genuine cases, but I think there's
a lot of people that use pain as an excuse
to get to keep drugs. Well.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
I think I think it's really hard for doctors to
deny someone if they're saying they're in pain. Absolutely that's
the problem because so someone comes and says, I've got
terrible back pain on this pain and the doctors, you know,
do they deny that you've got pain. So it's very
easy to gain the system, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (32:41):
Yeah, I mean my injury was similar to yours, Matt,
you know, pro lapsed and broken disks and the nerves.
You know. I had to have a stick in the
bed because the blankets couldn't touch me from the waist down.
But it was an agony with the nerve and it's brutal,
but you could you do whatever you could to have

(33:03):
forty minutes of nothing. I'm talking about, man, And that's
the danger. But when you wake up from surgery and
your pain free, Man, what a feeling.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Matters, Craig.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
I woke up from surgery and when they find the
surgery was finally done and I was fixed and the
pain should have been gone. Although I stupidly decided to
test out my new spine by going for a walk,
and let's not talk about the stupid thing. I got
really yelled at by the nurse, but I so then
I didn't have the pain, but I still had the
lust for the tramadols.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
So I was a different had a different experience than you, Craig.
But hey, thanks so much for sharing. So many people
are texting through and saying, don't mix your tremmies with
the alcohol, right yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Well, look, to be honest, it is for some and
isn't for others, but absolutely terrible for a friend of mine.
He still claims that the worst night of his life
was when he got on the trammis with alcohol. Just
just the crazy stuff he got up to the stupid
things he said and the absolutely insanity of the night
he had. Poor bugger, it's just parts of your brain

(34:08):
turned off, you know, too many parts of your brain
being turned off.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Sounds like a risky move, all right, taking your calls,
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty, keen on your experiences
with tramadold. Did you get addicted or did it not work?
And if you found an alternative as well for pain
can to hear your thoughts. It is eleven to two.

Speaker 6 (34:27):
Matd heath Tyler Adams. Taking your calls on, oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
It's Mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 20 (34:35):
Be.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Andrew, I welcome the show. Your experience on pain clinics.

Speaker 24 (34:43):
Yeah, I guess. I'm I had several years of needing
pain treatments for our pigus, and so I've got the
foll experience of the I guess the text that's available
in museums. So from an adult, I approfence codeinged Tramadol

(35:04):
spiritual you know, morphe that kind of stuff and kind
of picked out and a lot of going to the
pain clin it. And I thought my experience and the
pain clin it is going to be access to, you know,
some other kind of drugs that went otherwise available. But
it's not that at all.

Speaker 20 (35:25):
What they end up just.

Speaker 24 (35:28):
Teaching you as that it's just mental and so you
don't actually get access to any kind of different product.
You just get techniques to better manage the pain mentally, right,
because pain's obviously two parts, right. You've got the sending
part of which is the nervous system, which is the

(35:50):
signal that's coming from the area that's in pain. That's
the physical part, and then you've got the psychological part,
which is the mental response to it. So all of
the drugs that we have available in our toolkit, they
work on the mental part of it. So that's why
you end up with so many people having different side
ecological responses because the drugs are actually interacting with the

(36:13):
mental side of your brain and how it receives the
pain signals. So the takeout of it was I have
my pain by mentally controlling it.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
What are the basic you know, what are the basic
method methods for doing that? Andrew, there's a.

Speaker 24 (36:33):
There's a tool kit that you learn, right, but it's
much in the same way that you treat anxiety. So
if you're lying in bed and you're thinking about your
pain and you've got nothing else going on, you focus
on the pain. So to teach you distraction techniques, breathing techniques,
calming techniques, ways of controlling the vagual nerves so that

(36:56):
fight and flight response. And you know, if you kind
of get some pain, you're get an adrenaline rush, and
the adrenaline rush amplifies the pain response, so your body
can be more reactive to the pain. So it's about
controlling all of your body's response to the pain to
calm it down through the breathing, exercise, distraction, all those

(37:19):
kind of techniques that they would teach you and managing anxiety.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
And so and so does this work with along with
pain killers or is this enough just doing that for
you to deal with your pain?

Speaker 24 (37:32):
For me, I needed a mix of both. Antient This
was this was severe art lighter side crippling. I couldn't walk.
Needed needed a bilateral hYP replacement in a public health system,
and I didn't get access to it for three years,
so I was almost bed with him for a lot
of that time. But what I ended up finding out

(37:53):
when I was in the pain when it was so
many of the people in there were leaning into the
drugs that they liked or that they preferred, and so
they didn't actually necessarily need these drugs, but they are
a toll on the toolkit and psychologically they might have
felt better in some but also some had as you've

(38:16):
sort of described, these unintended side effects from these pain drugs.
And it's not that anyone as good or anyone is
bad or better than another. It's just that what's right
to your own minds chemistry, and that's different from person
to person, right, So some people get addicted like in
your place. Other people have no response to it, and

(38:37):
other people it's the best thing that it's ever ever been.
So that's really a case of tailoring the right medication
to the right person. And that's why, you know, there
just needs to be tools and the toolcat for doctors.
And then they take you on some and off some
and actually antidepression drugs, even though for pain, the same

(38:58):
gods that they prescribe for antidepression are the same ones
they do the pain management. So you know, it's just
it's a toolkit for doctors to use.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
The thank you so much for your call Andrew. I
was definitely in that camp where I found one that I.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Really liked and then really massively leaned into it.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
And you know, if I'm absolutely honest, when I was
on the tramadole, I was loving the tramadol. So I
was taking more and more and the pain was way
back in the in the background of the reasons why
I was taking it.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
Yeah, if I'm honest, Yeah, well that's why it is,
be honest, Yeah, exactly, That's why it's so dangerous for
a lot of people. All Right, we are going to
carry this on because so many people want to have
a chat about it. We've got one spear line, so
get on the Phone's eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
What was your experience with tramadole like and if you
want to send a text number tick through. The number
for that is nine two ninety two New Sport And

(39:50):
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Hope you're having a great Thursday afternoon. Stay right here.
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Speaker 6 (39:58):
Talking with you all.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons us dogs, it'd
be afternoon.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Welcome back into the program six par too. So we
have been talking about tramadol. There's been a sharp rise
and prescriptions of their pain killer. More than two hundred
and seventy thousand Kiwis were given the drug last year.
As most of us snow, Tramadol is often prescribed before
or after surgery to manage pain, but it can be
highly addictive for many people.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
The sexuses.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
I represented New Zealand in a snow skiing race in
Queenstown years ago and wiped out, leading to partial broken
lower tibia fracture. Wow out two more races to finish.
I strapped it up and took tramadole, came second with
a silver. Nice congratulations, although I'm not sure if we
should recommend that to every sports person. Spent months recovering
after surgery, but no pain during races are down the

(40:49):
mountain and giants slalom. Some say secretly some abs are
on panadole, but no one is going to say, of course.
I mean in club rugby, you know a lot of
people slam the codeine because of the p pain, especially
if you're playing up front.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Yeah, but professional I think they test for that stuff,
don't they do?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
The test for tramadol. Good question, do the test for
pain killers? Because because that is that I guess that is.
I mean, I've got no idea actually, but that has
performance and harmit heart. It's kind of like being that
character kick ass if you've got no fantastic movie. Yeah,
but if you can feel no pain, that's kind of
a it's kind of a hard power.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Bruce, Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on tramadol?

Speaker 25 (41:37):
Yeah, Hi, I was one of those third that it
had no effect on them, so it didn't didn't do
anything for me. But I had my I had some
joints replaced in Australia, I had a hip joint replaced
and I became addicted to oxy conton.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
It's famous one. Yeah.

Speaker 25 (41:55):
It started in twoy and eleven when I had it,
had a hip replaced. In recovery, they give you an
Eppie dural and they give you a morphine pump. I
don't know what whether they do it. This was on
Australian hospitals and yourself manage this morphine pump so when
your pain level goes up you give the morphine a

(42:15):
pump and you get morphine to the epidural into your body,
and you know, you find your tolerance for pain becomes
less and less as you start squeezing the squeezing it,
so you actually have a slight addiction to morphine when
you come out. And there was no talk of tramadol

(42:37):
back then. This is twenty eleven. The drug they gave
me for a cover was in down and paracetamol, and
I had that for a while and I went to
my GP and I said, all the pain's not you've
got and he said, well, look, the next one is OxyContin.
And we started off with ten milligrams and that was okay,

(42:57):
and then twenty milligrams. And I really empathized with what.

Speaker 8 (43:02):
You were saying.

Speaker 25 (43:02):
I had a wonderful year on it, but I knew,
I knew I was in when I thought, I can't
go back to the doctor and asked for fifty milligrams.
I've gone from ten to twenty thirty. But the plaine
should be getting better and it's getting worse. So that's
when I that's when I had to quit. But the

(43:23):
way you quit with having a bottle there is just
it's awesome strength, mate, anyone that has had an addiction
to pharmaceutical or drugs.

Speaker 17 (43:31):
That's really ballsy, mate.

Speaker 25 (43:33):
To do that, that's you know, I imagine how you.

Speaker 17 (43:36):
Could do that.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
It was it was horrible, It was it was the worst.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
It was crazy. That sounds ridiculous, but I felt like
I was in hell.

Speaker 20 (43:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
It wasn't just physically, but like primarily emotionally, just the
anxiety and the just impending sense of doom, like the
world was ending and I was the worst slimy slag
on the planet and didn't deserve anything.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Just lying this bit. It was horrible.

Speaker 25 (44:01):
But to be able to do that, go through that,
and still have the relief theater of having those pills.
You know, your dad was spot on when he said,
if you want to quit, you've got to have something
there to fall back on. You know, that's very important
for pharmaceuticaceutical addiction. You've got to have a little bit left,
particularly if you're on Benzo's, benzos, an alcohol, or a

(44:23):
lethal combination, which is an entirely different story, but I
found with the oxy content, I an little interesting segue here.
You get you get to know people in the check
out in the supermarket that you you know, you go
there quite often, and there was a lady, very nice lady,
and we'd talk and I'd tell her I was going
in for surgery and having.

Speaker 13 (44:41):
My hip done.

Speaker 25 (44:42):
It said, you know, what are you doing for your pain?

Speaker 18 (44:43):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (44:44):
I was having indown and oh, you're your oxy content?

Speaker 19 (44:46):
And I actually was.

Speaker 17 (44:47):
He was ectually grooming me.

Speaker 25 (44:49):
And about three months later I was at home rehabing.

Speaker 17 (44:52):
You said what are you doing? How's your pain?

Speaker 25 (44:53):
And go, oh they gave me some oxy content?

Speaker 12 (44:56):
Oh, hello, have you got any sphere oxy content?

Speaker 9 (44:58):
And that's what she was.

Speaker 25 (45:01):
My oxy content. Years no one I was going in
for surgery. But in Australia they they don't prescribe tramadol
hardly at all, because I think of the adverse effects
that the pain relief here seems to be tramadol and coding,
which when you've got it, and when you've got that deep,

(45:22):
throbbing internal pain of a joint, you really need something
pretty major. And just one other thing that when I
woke up from surgery, the pain was gone.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
It was gone, and.

Speaker 25 (45:39):
I beat that addiction. But about five years later I
injured my knee and it wasn't a major operation. I
couldn't work. I was on crutches. But once again I
was put on the oxy continent because the tramadol didn't work,
and it was once again. I was on the ten
twenty and it was And then I just knew I

(45:59):
had to stop again because I addicted once and I
was the second time. It was becoming very easy to
become addicted to it again because they say it's a
synthetic hero, isn't it. It just it chills the pain,
but it also gives you a high.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, everything you lose anxiety, everything's fine, everything's mellow. You
sort of you kind of your cruise above life or something.
You're just floating around.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
It seems very full on. I don't know much about it,
but there was a someone's text through about it as
a mini series called Painkillers on Netflix about the creation
of oxy content.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Yeah, what is it?

Speaker 4 (46:36):
The Sackler family, Yeah, and how addictive it ended up being.
They were obviously they got into trouble because they said
it was non addictive and turned out to be a
thousand times more addictive.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
A lot of There's also a fantastic podcast called American Scandal.
Have you ever listened to that podcast Lindsay Graham and
Season forty one is Opioids in America and it's about the.

Speaker 6 (46:57):
Oxy contacting them.

Speaker 12 (46:59):
Yeah, the ox.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Content scandal is crazy crazy.

Speaker 25 (47:02):
The pharmaceutical company is pushing them to the doctors and
they bushing them out. There's an opioid there.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Have you seen have you seen, Bruce, the footage of
you know, the fentanyl addicts in Montreal and in San
Francisco just folded over there. I mean people will have
seen them out on the street that have been over
to San Francisco up in Canada recently. It's just horrible
that these people that are just they're so wasted on

(47:29):
the fentanyl that they just fold over.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
It's horrifying.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
You're just balancing on their feet, but they're folded right
down on the ground.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
It's it's a horror show.

Speaker 25 (47:40):
You're just an escape from life, and your life is miserable.
So you know, you've got to look at the true
beer eyes. You know, what's to live for except the high?

Speaker 2 (47:49):
And you know, Bruce, that is you know how bad
when you come off it. You look around and go,
I'm standing on the street with all these zombies. But
you know, that if you take more then suddenly you'll
enter basically paradise again. So your two options of paradise
or horror show.

Speaker 25 (48:08):
So once again leaving that paradise for the horror show
with the paradise on top of your TV mate is
just awesome. Yeah, you know it's pretty you bro.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Well, I'll tell you a lot of people are texting
me saying I've got some spear ones and I'll send
you through, and honestly, I go.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Oh, we flash, we will. Sounds nice. Yeah, thank you
so much for your call, Bruce. Yeah, cheers Bruce. Hundred
eighty So, Bruce, did you have one more thing to say?

Speaker 12 (48:40):
Sorry?

Speaker 17 (48:41):
No, no, that's all good.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
All right, I can see buddy, you're a good man.
Ie hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call back in a mo if you can't get through,
keep trying. It is a quarter past two.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yes, I'm trying to remember the name of there's a
great book on the Seckler family as well. Those are
the people that that the company was called Perdue I
think Perdue Farmer. And there's just a fantastic mini series
is that that Netflix miniseries? But there's a fantastic podcast
series and the great, the Great podcast American Scandal.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
But think it's season forty one fascinating. Right back in
a mode, taking your call though on oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Your home of Afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons call, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk said.

Speaker 20 (49:26):
Be.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
Afternoon. We have been talking about tramadoll, a big a
spike in the prescription of that pain color. Have you
had any problems with that drug? Love to hear from you, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
So we're talking about the Sacla family and the Perdue
oxy coton scandal, and a bunch of people have texted
through that dope sick on Disney Plus is the is
the best story on that starring Michael Keaton, right, check
that out. But that's been told a number of times.
It's just an absolute shocking story of how people are

(49:57):
willing to basically kill other people for profit. Yeah, and
that's what the Sackler family is doing. It's called the
fentyfold when they stand bent over on fentanyl. Yeah, I mean,
if you haven't seen this online, look it up. It's horrible,
and some of you will have seen it in real life,
as I said before, if you've been to Montreal or
or Vancouver or San Francisco, and what happens over there

(50:20):
eventually comes to New Zealand. So we'll be getting the
fifty fold pretty soon. But it's just people wasted on fentanyl,
just standing on the street. Just they're standing up, but
they're bent over in this kind of horrible way.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
Just it's yeah, look at us, horrissic, is it.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Yeah, So that they'll come here, yep, Well just a
matter of time, Jen, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 26 (50:42):
Yeah, I hope it doesn't come here. I've been on
Sentinel just to you know, in the ambulance and that
sort of stuff, and just to think that there are
people out there who are going to abuse that and
sell it and bake it and we'll do whatever they
do to sell it on the streets and to people
who end up like what I've seen those videos and things.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
What happens.

Speaker 26 (51:01):
It's it's harrassic, it is. I hope that it never
stage here. But just to think there's people who do
these two other people, I'm sorry people who do that,
but you're just terrible people.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
Anyway, you're talking about the part but they are Purdue
in particular.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
No, she's just talking about people that are are right
y perdue. Aren't Sentinel make it and all of that?

Speaker 26 (51:25):
Yeah, yeah, both and yeah. But I've rung up about
the tramadol because I've had tramdol experience.

Speaker 13 (51:31):
Well a bad one.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Oh, yes, please share.

Speaker 24 (51:35):
Yes.

Speaker 26 (51:35):
So I've had pain problems for about fifty years and
I still have them now, very bad ones. But anyway,
it was a few years ago now that I was
I have been taking tramadol as a pain killer and
algesic for years because of these other pain conditions, right,
and I found it was I'd also taken lots of

(51:58):
other things. My doctor had.

Speaker 15 (51:59):
Tried me on boy you name it everything.

Speaker 14 (52:03):
So but the.

Speaker 26 (52:06):
Tramdol was okay for me. I never had any problems
with it. It didn't take the pain away completely, obviously,
I mean, I mean very little, does you know unless
you you have higher doses of course, and I'd never
do that to myself without you know, strict medical advice.
So anyway, this particular time, I woke up, I just

(52:28):
got out of bed, and I was an extremely bad pain,
way off the page pain, riding on the floor trying
to get out of it. That's how bad. It was
so severe, and and other people must be able to have,
you know, see that as well. So anyway, it was shocking.
I ended up going to the hospital for that yet.

Speaker 16 (52:51):
And but then after a.

Speaker 26 (52:53):
Period of time, this pain wasn't wasn't it wasn't getting better.

Speaker 16 (52:58):
It was still there.

Speaker 26 (52:59):
The problem wasn't getting better. I still had a lot
of the pain. Went back to my own GP, who
wasn't there at the time. But the stand in guy was,
you know, the whatever you call him. I remember, I
go to say medic, but there are the ones in
the army and the wars, aren't.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
They but local?

Speaker 3 (53:16):
They sprang to mind, yep.

Speaker 24 (53:19):
Locum, thank you.

Speaker 26 (53:20):
Yeah, the locan. I'd seen him before and I knew him,
and he was a lovely man, good doctor. But anyway,
so what happened was, yeah, they had that breakthrough pain event.
It's called a breakthrough pain event. I've had quite a
few of them.

Speaker 13 (53:34):
They're just disgusting.

Speaker 26 (53:36):
But anyway, so what had happened was that one of
my discs had completely ruptured, like actually torn in two,
and all the inside I've forgotten all the medical firm
terms of those. Anyway, the inside jail inside a disc
was gone right out into the nerve canal and was
pressing on the you.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
Know, the central nervesty.

Speaker 19 (53:55):
Yeah, what happened?

Speaker 26 (53:56):
So anyway, so I went to this guy and he
put me on more tremdal.

Speaker 14 (54:02):
He said, well, continue as a.

Speaker 26 (54:03):
Tremdol, but he put me up to the maximum dosage
that anybody can take in the twenty four hours plus
I had had this. I found out later from the
psychiatrist Ladier I had to see at the hospital. What
had happened was I had had this build up of
tremadol in my body for so long and he mustn't
have known that. And I was put on this huge

(54:23):
amount of morph not morphing, the creminol every day.

Speaker 24 (54:27):
And I just flitsed.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
My mind went.

Speaker 26 (54:31):
I became almost I don't know, psychotic, not psychotic.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
I mean, yeah, I was like hallucination.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Were there hallucinations?

Speaker 26 (54:40):
Oh no, No, it wasn't actually psychotic. So that's why
I know, I know about psychotics, right, psychostist, So that's
what to explain it. That's why I used that word
was because I was it was like I was a
mental case and I was having a terrible, terrible breakdown,
couldn't stop crying. I wouldn't let anybody leave.

Speaker 13 (54:56):
This is in the hospital as well.

Speaker 26 (54:58):
It was horror, horrifying anyway, So their mental people came over,
mental mental health team came over, and that's and then
I had to see them as an an outtatient as well.
So that's what happened there with me and I. That's
why I'm very very careful with pain killers. I still

(55:22):
have to take them. My pain's worse. Actually, I'm now
seventy one, going into very old age. I'm still living
extreme pain. I tell you, I can't stand it anymore.
But I will not go on tramadol again. My doctor
offered it to me just just last week.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
And yeah, after all that history, Yeah, thank you so
much for sharing a story with us. Jin Yeah, that
is a poutionary tale. Tramidole has to be the most
varying dragon terms of its effects on people. We're getting
all sort in the horse pictureum from absolutely doing nothing

(55:56):
through two complete psychotic.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
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Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk ZB tram Itole.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
Have you been prescribed it? Have you struggled with it?
We're taking your stories on our eight hundred and eighty
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Speaker 3 (57:33):
This texta Hamish says, come on, wake up. Fentanyl all
comes from China. It's war.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
Wake up, it's coming here.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Well, it does seem to be getting pumped out of
China all across the Western world.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
But people are chasing.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
It's kind of like the opium wars back in the
day when when the UK was selling a lot of
opium into China. Yeah, I mean that's what Hong Kong was.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Was created around the opium wars went weren't they they
were yeah, opium dims. They loved their opium.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
So now it's the other way around and that and
China is pumping the fentanyl out this way.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
Kind of ironic.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Well, I don't know, does it there We're some some
talk last year I believe about you know, mdmm A
and sort of the drugs people are taking, the kids
are taking, some of them being cut with fentanyl.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
Yeah, it was that fentanyl skill last year and I
think it was picked up in Wellington, so the Drug
Agency did put out a warning. So'd be careful, but
I'll be interested to know if it's really hitting hard
here again, are we seeing the fenty bins fifty winds
with people just standing on the streets.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
So, well Son, fentanyl I had. I had some recently
after a procedure, and I think I was saying to
you before Tyler. Maybe I was saying, yeah, I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
It was so good, good stuff.

Speaker 13 (58:43):
It was.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
It was paradise the whole time I was on and
I was thinking, I've got to get more of this
right and it's dangerous. Yeah, But as soon as I
was off it, when I was back at home on
the couch, the high was so high.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
But the low was so low.

Speaker 8 (58:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
Well, if it is here in New Zealand and it's
on the streets, love to hear from you.

Speaker 6 (58:59):
We want that.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
We don't don't come to the studio and deliver it
to me. He's just let us know.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
And it's out on the street. We'd love to hear
from you.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Give me a call off. Here are you doing that?

Speaker 13 (59:13):
Hey, guys, I'm in a vehicle, just chicken, can you
hear me?

Speaker 4 (59:15):
Okay, you sound fantastic, Dave, so clear, so crisp, so clean.

Speaker 13 (59:19):
Oh beauty, beauty. Hey, I'm just just on the sentinel.

Speaker 9 (59:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (59:22):
I recently my partner she had a really bad about
of some kidney issues and she ended.

Speaker 19 (59:28):
Up having to go under the knife.

Speaker 13 (59:29):
But before that it was a bit of weight and
the last time we had to race her up to
A and E and Orckland where she actually works as
her day jobs. Up there, they put her on fencanyl
and I can remember thinking, oh god, this you know,
because you see, as you say, defend bend and stuff
you see, and I was a little bit skeptical, but yeah,
she went. That didn't last long, because she went from

(59:49):
being in permanent agony for months to within a couple
of minutes. It was like I was sitting there with
someone who was three sheets to the wind in that
happy place. On a few beers. She's gaggling and talking,
you know, a bit slurred, and everything was all suddenly
just a lot lighter. I was grateful for our one

(01:00:09):
off experience with that stuff and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
So so, but she wasn't prescribed that ongoing Dave.

Speaker 7 (01:00:16):
No, no, God no no.

Speaker 13 (01:00:18):
So when we got out, it was it was it
was morphine and other stuff, you know, And and then
thankfully the operations sort of fixed up everything.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Now she's fine year, right and so And did the
other painkillers work for her?

Speaker 15 (01:00:29):
Dave?

Speaker 13 (01:00:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well not not not as well like
it was. Still it was still pretty nasty for the
week or two long. We had to wait for a
week before the restaurant for the but it was manageable,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Yeah, you think you're pretty funny? Did she say some
ridiculous stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
So when I was on the fence and I was
really yucking it up, like I was the funniest guy
that's ever been in hospital. And you could sort of
tell that people get a lot of the stuff. Seemed
like they've they've seen that that bit before.

Speaker 13 (01:00:58):
Yeah, yeah, it did get a little bit like that.
And her daughter worked from the in the emergency ward,
so she was walking past a lot a lot of it.
Of her friends actually took her there straight from where
she was going to go home. They raced it to
A and A and so they were there, and so
she was very embarrassed the next day.

Speaker 17 (01:01:14):
Oh my god, what was I like? I said, you
were fine, You're fine.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
She was having a good time, you know, laughed.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
It sounds like after all that pain, she deserved to
just be a bit wasted and spinning a few yards.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Hey, thanks, thanks so much for you cool Dave appreciate it. Yeah,
thank you very much. If you want to send a
text nine two nine to two. Is that number plenty
coming through? Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Some of a few people have been asking, Yeah, what
was the name of the podcast I was talking about
before on the Sackville Family and the Oxy Coton Scandal.
It's called American Scandal. Nice, and I think it's season
forty one, but it's a great it's a great podcast,
American Scandal that's been going for years and years. There's
there's so many seasons, but it goes through basically every

(01:01:55):
American scandal and this guy called Lindsay Graham puts them
all together, right, So he's got incredible voice. It's just
it's just a fantastic So season forty.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
One, yeah, great tip It's called Opiates.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
And America or something like that. Anyway, season forty one night.

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I just chucked it on my feed. Eachen looks very
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Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
Thank you very much, ray Lean and we have been
talking about tramadol so many techs and phone calls coming
through on various experiences.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Lisa says, my dog got prescribed tramadol well when she
was diagnosed with cancer. One hundred and fifty meg pills.
Is that a big dog? Because the most I ever
got it was to one hundred meggs on the tramadole.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
So Lisa's dogs getting better stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Do you need more dog than more?

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
Well, good question, and I just said we look at
that and absolutely tremidol was considered safe to give to
most dogs. That would have been a very relaxed, tilled
out dog.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
It must be difficult for your dog if you get
addicted to something. So when I was addicted to tramidol.
I could just get more.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Yeah, but a dog wouldn't know what was going on
for wanted more. You were just like just go.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
You couldn't put the bottle in front of it and
just say now willpower? Just just stay strong?

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Yeah yeah, I mean if you've ever seen a labrador
around food and you'll know how much willpower dogs.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
Avaughan, how are you?

Speaker 8 (01:04:30):
I'm fine.

Speaker 23 (01:04:31):
Before I started, I'd like to say you two guys
are the best top back host we have one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Oh what a nice little.

Speaker 17 (01:04:40):
You both bring a.

Speaker 23 (01:04:41):
Breath of fresh air to it. Tramadol. My husband was
injected tramadolt after coming out of recovery for an operation.
This reaction was almost instant and very volatile. The news
fortunately realized what happened and reacted immediately, and he was
given this there's an alternative.

Speaker 8 (01:05:00):
What it was?

Speaker 21 (01:05:01):
The word is I've lost them. She asked me.

Speaker 23 (01:05:04):
Had he had it before?

Speaker 12 (01:05:05):
And I said no.

Speaker 23 (01:05:06):
I wanted aware of heavy. I walked into the room
to see it all happened. I wasn't aware that he
was reacted to tramadol.

Speaker 8 (01:05:14):
Volta.

Speaker 23 (01:05:14):
Yes, I remember giving him a those of voltar and
then feeding him rice and neither of those three with
his stomach.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
So what was the reaction of on what what happened?
You said, He reacted really quickly to it. What happened?

Speaker 23 (01:05:28):
He went the stiff as a ramrod, and the back
of his head on the top of the bed and
its heels, and I could have crawled underneath it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Wow, terrifying. Wow, it was.

Speaker 12 (01:05:41):
He was aware that things had gone wrong, but he
couldn't He couldn't verbalize, he couldn't move. He was as
stiff as a poker.

Speaker 23 (01:05:49):
Came out of the hospital, had some ongoing pain, went
to the doctor and his doctor said, oh, I'll give
you a prescription of Panda dole, of Prami dole.

Speaker 12 (01:05:59):
And I looked at Warren. He said okay, And.

Speaker 23 (01:06:02):
I said, you cannot take it. He said, no, I'll
just do the description up. I said, well, that's a
waste of time. The doctor said, excuse me.

Speaker 12 (01:06:10):
I'm the doctor. I know what's best for him. And
tremadol is what he's getting.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
What you'd seen him get basically possessed by a demon
and turn into a board on his bed.

Speaker 12 (01:06:21):
Well, I said to him, if you read the hospital
note which you have in front of you. You will
see that he has a major reaction to it. He said,
but this is different, this is old. That was an injection.
I said, tremadol is tremadol. He is not taking it.

Speaker 9 (01:06:36):
Yeah, well there's nothing I can do for you management.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
How's he now?

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Ivonne?

Speaker 12 (01:06:45):
That was a few years ago, and unfortunately he passed
away five years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Oh I sorry to hear that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
That is a crazy response from a doctor, though, considering
what had happened, and say, I'm the doctor. He's having drammadol.
I mean, I hope that's not a common thing on.

Speaker 22 (01:07:02):
Well, I hope not.

Speaker 23 (01:07:03):
But the outcome of that was, as I said, he
wanted to reserve, to go, it's or reserve. He said,
it's something that he's back, it's an ongoing issue. Well,
then I'm going to shoe. Two weeks later, first he
had an ulcer from the wound.

Speaker 20 (01:07:19):
M h.

Speaker 23 (01:07:20):
And yeah, of those that know me that may be listening, yes,
I have a temper. And I threw a temper tantrum
like you.

Speaker 13 (01:07:27):
Wouldn't believed on.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
You you sound bolshie.

Speaker 23 (01:07:32):
Every every patience to needs an advocate, and I made
sure I was always there for him. Because I knew
that he had did have major issues with some drugs.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 6 (01:07:43):
And you know, lucky to get caught on.

Speaker 23 (01:07:46):
For those who get caught on trem doll, I would
question the doctor that keeps describing it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Yeah, well, good on you for ringing sharing that story.
And also it sounds like you were a great partner
to your husband was around, so he was very lucky.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
He was very lucky to have you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
This is interesting, high fellas uh Is Steaster. I've got
a mate who's pretty serious lawn bowler. His pre tornament
premp his pre tournament prep is two to three tremadoles
a can of live plus energy drink. He swears by it,

(01:08:25):
and he's a rep pler regards seven. So it is
because I was asking before I was at a performance
advouncing Drake, I suppose the lawn bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
I mean, it's not I.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Don't mention tramodol from my experience, and it would help
pure reflex time. You know, I don't think it would
help that, but it would definitely calm your nerves because
my experience on it is you do not care about anything,
just you're.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Very chill and happy. Although some people are saying.

Speaker 18 (01:08:53):
This.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Peter said, my wife was prescribed tramadol after a shoulder replacement.
I noticed a change in her. She became angry and
accused me of hiding money and having an affair, none
of which was true. I took her pools off her
and the change was almost incident, instant. She became a
different person. It was almost fifteen years ago, and yes
we are still together.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
So what a crazy drug? So one person becomes a
legendary loawn bowler and the other person loses their might.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
And Vonn's husband becomes stiff as a boared in some
kind of paranormal activity type situation.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
So there's varied responses to the stroke.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
Yeah, well, keen on your experiences if you've been prescribed tramadol.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
What happened?

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
Eight hundred and eighty ten, eighties and number to call
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Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
They'd be for a good afternoon. Juitor is a quarter
to three. Plenty of texts coming through about people on tramadol,
some good and some very much not.

Speaker 23 (01:09:48):
Good.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
This one says, guys, I had a shoulder reconstruction on tramadol,
and I have fantastic dreams always. It's good stuff, nothing
wrong with it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
You do have crazily good dreams on well, no, some
people have had horrific nightmas. Yeah, it's very but it's
a weird kind of sleep. You never quite sleep. I
don't know there's levels of sleep, right, so I don't think.
I feel like with the tramadol you never kind of
hit the rapid eye movement or the deep sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Right You kind of it's kind of like a it's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
You kind of surf above sleep, and it's a type
of sleep that I've never had in my life. You're
kind of happy though, You're not stressed out about not sleeping.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
You're just sort of quite cool with it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
Do you remember the I mean maybe dreams is the
wrong word, but do you remember what you were thinking
about when you're in that kind of state.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
I don't remember that state.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
As someone said before, it was like there, how I
was describing it was like the Adams Sandler movie Click,
where I just jumped a year of my life when
I was on that stuff really hard. Yeah, I see
these pictures of my son at that time, and I'm
like with me, and I'm like, I don't remember that. Yeah,
I don't remember that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
It was the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
The concerning thing is I was still broadcasting a radio
show every day. Yeah, no memory of a functioning Richard's
how are you hey, Richard?

Speaker 19 (01:11:07):
Yes, I'm here mate.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
Now what's your experience with tramadol? By the sounds of it,
it wasn't so good.

Speaker 19 (01:11:14):
No, it wasn't so good. It was actually oxy content,
which is an opioid anyway, as you probably know. But
mine started off through medical medical misadventure, which then transpired
to be an unexpected outcome according to my GP. Okay,

(01:11:39):
and you suggested that I filed for ACC What.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Was the medical What was the medical misadventure if you
don't mind sharing, right? A biopsy that went.

Speaker 14 (01:11:51):
Wrong, A biopsy that had flowers of nerves okay, okay.

Speaker 19 (01:11:56):
Causing chronic original pain syndrome.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Wow, that's unfortunate.

Speaker 20 (01:12:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:12:02):
At that stage, I had already resigned from my own
company because I felt I was a liability to everyone,
including the port company.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Do you do the pain that you're experiencing?

Speaker 19 (01:12:22):
Yes? Yes, yes, And by that stage, I had seen
a pain specialist who was arregistered an ethicist doctor. Now
I was suspicious of this guy from the get go. Anyhow,

(01:12:44):
he prescribed oxycontum No, he didn't describe prescribe it. Originally,
he carried a rather large leather doctor's bag and he
gave me these pills and that's what aroused my suspicion
because they were all off label. It's away, yeah, very big.

(01:13:13):
But anyhow, I went back to him, this is under
ACC supervision because he was an ACC pain specialist, and thought, oh, well,
what the hell do I know? And then he prescribed
oxy content. Now, whatever anyone does, don't touch for stuff

(01:13:33):
unless you're under twenty four hour medical supervision. Don't take
the stuff home because it will wreck your life, literally,
your marriage and kids' relationships, the whole thing. Anyhows on
the stuff five years and then my GP said, hey, look,

(01:13:58):
your health is going downhill rapidly, and I predicted the
oxy con. He said, there is own solution, he said.
I said, it's really beyond me. But I had a
friend that I went through medical school with and he

(01:14:20):
is a clinical psychiatrist. Anyhow, he got me into him
and he was in Auckland, and there was no way
I was going to drive up. So I flew up
and took a technic from the airport to his tread
and he was horrified. At the time, I've been on
oxy content and he prescribed alternative medication and it took

(01:14:52):
two weeks for me to forget about the oxy content.
And I still take some of the tablets for pain relief.
Now he said to me, look, Richard, the chronic original
pain syndrome will disappear. And that has disappeared. But to

(01:15:16):
what really rubbed salt into a wound was I had
a ahe a text from my ex wife because it
was enough to bring up a marriage, and she said,
do you wize this? I won't mention his name only
for liability reason be registered. Now I said, yes, I do,

(01:15:43):
because I got hold of the medical association. She said, well,
he's now doing podcasts and he's written two books and
has admitted that he is reformed addict.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
It sounds like you went through absolute hell and their journey.
I mean some doctor who's now a podcast host saying
they are reformed drug addict themselves. I mean, there's a
lot of elements in that story. There's a lot in
that story. Yeah, thank you for sharing, Richard. Hopefully you're
better now as well. Unpack it during the ad break, Yeah,
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Speaker 6 (01:16:25):
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Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
News talks abb it is five to three. So many
techs have come through over the last couple of hours.
This one says, guys, I got prescribed two hundred and
forty tramis once for all recovery of a surgery. Didn't
take them because the pain wasn't anything a dooby couldn't fix.
Good on you and this one, guys, we've just seen

(01:16:55):
our mate's life destroyed by oxy that was also via
acc after an accident. It is dangerous stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Yeah, so much stuff here, so much stuff coming through.
I got guys, I was prescribed tramadola for fracturing my
back years ago. I temporarily lost my voice, tongue with
swollen just about lost my life. Love your show, Susie. Well,
I'm glad you're okay, Susie. After that, that sounds pretty
full on. This text says it's interesting that you seem
to be getting most of the bad side effects of

(01:17:24):
Tramadol's showing up on your show today. And fortunately, I
have taken travidole for many years and very varying levels,
so that unfortunately I've sort of there's no punctuation there.
It's unfortunately that we're getting these calls, is what you say.
I've taken tramadol for many years and varying levels for
varying industries, and I'm currently on a strong dose following
shoulder surgery. I have never experienced anything other than pain

(01:17:46):
reduction using their product. I've always found it to be
an extremely good pain medication. That said, my wife has
one experience of the tramadole. She spun out completely and
would never take it again after she saw strange creatures
coming out of the walls. It would be nice if
we were hearing a more balanced review from those that
have a strong.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
Success story with it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
As much as I've used it for many years in
the warmer months of the year, I have absolutely no
difficulties stopping taking the product with no air parent addiction
side effects.

Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
Good show boys, will there you go? Mister balance view
came through from you Craig, there's the positive one. What
a fascinating chat. I mean, all sorts of experiences with dramadol,
but it's certainly popular, no doubt about it.

Speaker 11 (01:18:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Well, I'll tell you what. When you're on it and
you're trying to sleep, you feel very cozy in your bed.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
Yes, certainly too. Right, coming up after three o'clock, let's
have a chat about firewoods. I am in the hunt
for some firewood, but appears to be the wild West
out there, so let's get into it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Your new home are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
Savvy for a good afternoon. It is seven past three.
Really good air of your company is always hope you're
having a good Thursday afternoon. This is going to be
a good discussion. We want to talk about firewood and
fire places. So I've said it many times before and
I'll say again. We just moved into this new place
up in Auckland and turns out got a beautiful old
existing fireplace and it is lovely. It's lovely. But when

(01:19:14):
I moved in there, they kind of had those little
wood bricks you can buy from Bunning stacked in there,
and when we got and I thought, that's just a
show piece. So I probably blocked up the chimney because,
as I understood it, a lot of the fireplaces you
couldn't use anymore. Then Rang the landlords said go for gold.
So I was a happy boy. So I've gone down
the quagmire of trying to figure out who can deliver
me some firewood? What kind of firewood I need? There's

(01:19:36):
a lot of options out there. Am I getting a
good price? Pretty expensive?

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Pretty expensive?

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
The old firewood? What are you trying to get, Cody, Well,
that's the question. I just thought it was fine, Yeah,
well you can get oak. Someone was selling oak that
will burn all week a piece of oak.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Yeah, macrocarpa.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
But anyway, so that's interesting, So because I've just just assumed,
and surely it's different across the country. But you know,
the greatest smell in the world and the greatest experience
in the world is a proper wood fire, right.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
And growing up into Neden, I'd be walking home from
footy practice and just that smell of all the chimneys
firing out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
I think it was even coal back then, beautiful smell lovely.
But people don't like burning coal. But of course some
burning wood is sustainable. Yes, So I'm a bunch of
people texting before saying, oh, you're destroying the environment with
your bloody would burn a tiler? No, that's not true.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
If it's neutral, if it's above if you burn something
that's already from above the ground, then you're neutral.

Speaker 8 (01:20:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
That's why dairy farmers are sweet ass.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Don't listen to anyone says they're not, because the stuff
they're doing is above the ground. The fossil fuels are
the ones that come from under the ground, right, and
they unleash the carbon from other eras. Anyway, heard this,
and I'm so jealous because I don't think you can
put a new one in your house, now, can you.
It just it has to have been grandfathered in. Yeah,

(01:20:56):
but apart from that or any other regulations. So what
I'm doing, well, yeah, that's what we want to discuss.
I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
If you're in the firewood game, I generally was surprised
when I thought I thought you'd just go to the
old place with firewood and you get your quarter wood.
I don't know how much that is. But it was
always a quarter wood when.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
I was quarter is a quarter ton, isn't it? I imagine?

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
Is it a court like a quarter Is that what
it is? I thought it was like cord, like you know,
corduroy pants. I always thought it was a cord.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
I always assumed it was a court.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
I think you're right. Have I been saying cord all
this time? Why don't you guys creek me when I
raised this to a little bit earlier. Get yourself some
hard remoo.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
In the strong Man coal mix.

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
Okay, yeah, yeah, can't have a chat with you one
hundred eight.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Who is the people out someone out there must know
if I build a new house, well, I'm just moving
into a new house, do I and I want to
put a fire wood fireplace in there? I live in
Central Auckland, And am I allowed to do that?

Speaker 18 (01:21:55):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Or does it have to be there already?

Speaker 8 (01:21:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
What about if I cut it out of another house
and just carry the whole thing in the chimney around
and put it in there.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
What are the regulations? Because there's nothing better in the
world than a burning wood fire.

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
They're amazing, amazing to even your house. So if you've
done this, and you know the rules and regulations eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. I think they're different around
the country.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
I've been trying to understand them, yeah, all afternoon, and
maybe I'm stupid or something, but I'm struggling to get
my head around there. There's something about two hectares and
smaller than that, and what you're allowed to burn and
what kind of fire situation and is it a pizza oven.
It's all very confusing for me.

Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
Yeah, so give us cool o eight hundred eighty ten
eighty if you want to see into text through plenty
of ticks coming through already, nine to nine to two.
What are the regulations and the rules that you need
to buy by if you want to put in a
good old fashioned fire?

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
Yeah, and look what kind of fire are you running?

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Because we're happy to just chat about fireplaces because they
Tyler and I get very excited about them.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
Absolutely nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
As I've said before the show before, I'll just put
a YouTube channel of a live streaming of a fire
burning in my house just to get that fire bus.
And what is the best fireplace if you are going
to put them in? If you can put them in?

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Because there's those ones that are sealed and stuff that
sit in the middle of the room. And what is
the best type of wood? And yeah, I mean, is
there any better than a fire to make you feel
super cozy?

Speaker 18 (01:23:11):
So good?

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
Prehistorical love it right? It is eleven past three. The
phone lines have lit up. If you can't get through,
keep trying back in a moment. Is talks'd be good
afternoon to you. It's fourteen past three.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Matt, you absolute muppet.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
A chord is a measure of volume of dry wood
equal to one hundred and twenty eight cubic meters. Matthew,
you loser. One cord is equal to three point six
cubic meters of wood. Most sell per cubic meter these days. Sorry,
Matt Tyler is correct.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
It's not a court. It's a cord of wood.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
You're a moron, Matt. Cord is a measure of wood,
you silly buggers. It's a cord of wood. There's so
many text comings.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
A lot of anger about cord or court.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
I think I'm one of those boos. I've been hoisted
on my own potada. I'm not sure if that's the
right saying for it, but I'm going to you, Tyler,
you're idiot. It's a court of wood, not a cord
of wood. And it turns out it's not you that's
the idiot. It's me that's the idiot.

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
And to be fair, when you see court, that made
way more sense.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
I always thought it was a quarter ton, yeah, because
I was never in the buying of the wood when
I was a kid.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
I was just involved in the chopping it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Yeah, get out and chop some firewood, which, by the way,
as I said before, is the greatest of all the chores.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
That does a great job. Fantastic being sent out to
chop the firewood.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Yep, greatest.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
It's there's nothing more satisfying, especially as you get older
and you get a bit stronger and you get better.

Speaker 4 (01:24:27):
At it, and it's just if you get it in
one hate.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Once the firewood's finally dried.

Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
And then you watch that piece burn, yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
You carry it into the lounge and the basket like
an absolute hero.

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
Good time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
It's the best of the best. But it turns out
it's a cord and not a court. Like I thought, Hey, Troy,
welcome to the show. You put in a fireplace recently.

Speaker 17 (01:24:53):
And me and the wife put one in a couple
of months ago.

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
Yeah, whereabouts you live, Troy.

Speaker 17 (01:25:00):
F Burden, Burden, good bye.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
And so what are the regulations down there?

Speaker 27 (01:25:06):
Oh, it was pretty easy, actually, we just we had
the developers, you know. They they they actually said it
was a good idea to do it in the first place,
and and then they kind of put it in all
the specs of their house and there's no issues really,
just kind of in the process of getting.

Speaker 17 (01:25:24):
The house built.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
And is that an open wood fire or is it
a wood burner kind of situation? Troy?

Speaker 17 (01:25:30):
Open wood?

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
Open wood? All right?

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
How cool? What kind of size are we talking?

Speaker 27 (01:25:36):
It's oh, it's probably about the size of it's about
a twenty inches twenty inches.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
Twenty inches twenty inches.

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
That's good. Yeah, all right, I mean it sounds good.
I don't know what that means. I'm just trying to
think of how big. Twenty inches is pretty big. And
and so it's up and operational, Troy.

Speaker 17 (01:25:57):
It's it's great. It's been. It's it's got us through
the last couple of months. It's been. It's been great.

Speaker 27 (01:26:02):
Where I get home from work at about two o'clock
and I start firing it up and oh, oh my god,
it's got.

Speaker 17 (01:26:09):
Us through the winter.

Speaker 27 (01:26:11):
You know, it's it's just about what's like minus two
minus three some some mornings here in Ashburton. And and yeah,
it was just I've just got it, got it cranking
in the afternoon, and I keep it going all night, keep.

Speaker 17 (01:26:24):
It going overnight, and haven't had any issues.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
And do you find yourself, you and your messus steering
into the fire.

Speaker 24 (01:26:33):
We do.

Speaker 17 (01:26:34):
We've had a few nights we're falling asleep.

Speaker 15 (01:26:36):
On the couch.

Speaker 26 (01:26:37):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:26:38):
Sometimes we'll even have like, you know, we'll have a
date night in front of a date night in front
of the couch.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Gets the things get amorous, Troy, if you don't mind
me asking, it's a pretty romantic situation you're describing there.

Speaker 17 (01:26:53):
Heavily, and well, well you know we'll, yeah, we'll take
the clothes off and sit in front of the fire.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Yeah, that is romantic and so and if you found
it hard to get the water, is the wood easily
available down in Ashburton?

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
Love it.

Speaker 27 (01:27:11):
On every on every corner, there's there's some bloke selling
five tons of woods.

Speaker 17 (01:27:17):
So you just like there's there's just there's there's ample
amounts of wood down. Here's no issue at all. You
just try and find the lowest price, right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
And was expensive to to get get a fireplace built
into the house with the chimney and such?

Speaker 17 (01:27:31):
Oh, I mean, yeah, yeah, it was, it was, It was.

Speaker 9 (01:27:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:27:36):
But I mean I think I think on on you know,
cost per cost per use, it's a lot, and you
know the what are the AC units and all that
kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
And so I take it you've got a pretty good
place to to stack it.

Speaker 17 (01:27:56):
Yeah, we've got a ship. We've got to shop out
the back.

Speaker 7 (01:27:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Well you're living the dream, Troy, And thanks ringing up
and good luck with those date nights. Very romantic, very romantic.
Just crackling away in the corner. That sticks to these guys.
I just dream video of a fire on the big
TV off on a lake, campfire at dusk, crank the
heat pump and burned in it. You can even tell
it's a simulation. You can't even tell it's a simulation assignment.

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
I mean that speaks to you, Matt. You love a
good I mean fire.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Yeah, but does it do you need the smoke and
the little bit of the crackle. I mean, I'm a
huge fan of I'm putting up a live stream fire
on YouTube just to get that fire, and I think
you're probably getting eighty percent there. Yeah, but it's the
last twenty percent of crackling and the knowing it's a
fire and having to source the wood and all the

(01:28:42):
requisite feeling like a man.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
In my case, I'm slowly be destroyed by fire. Yeah. Yeah,
h so good feeling. Oh eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number. Call If you've managed to
recently put in a fireplace, we'd love to hear from you.
Was there any regulations put in place by the council?
Was it easy as get on the phone? O eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred
eighty eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
Very good afternoons. You were talking about fireplaces and fire wood.
If you've managed to put in a fireplace into a
new build or an existing property. Loved to hear from
you on Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
Hey Matt, that's a bit personal. He's just told you
about his fire and getting naked and you ask him
where he gets wood?

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
No, great, come on, come on, Ray, come on as
a family show.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
That was on a scram that was a complete accident. Wayne,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (01:29:41):
Yeah, good A Matt god a Tyler.

Speaker 7 (01:29:42):
How are you guys?

Speaker 4 (01:29:43):
Very good? Wayne?

Speaker 26 (01:29:45):
Good?

Speaker 7 (01:29:45):
Yeah, Hey, look I live here in now we're up
and coming city of christ Church, where you know the
house we own is currently one hundred and twenty years old. Nice, yeah,
and it survived the earthquake. You know, when we first
bought the house that had a open an open fire,

(01:30:05):
but a number of years after we moved in, we
actually basically took out the open fire and installed a
log burner within the existing fireplace.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
Right, So what's what just what's a log burner as
opposed to a fireplace?

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
Wayne?

Speaker 7 (01:30:22):
Well, well, a fight, you know, an open fire, you know,
you can just throw the stuff on and everything, but
you know, and you have an ash pen and then
an open grate where you.

Speaker 9 (01:30:33):
Burn wherever you want to burn wood or coal.

Speaker 7 (01:30:37):
Whereas we basically clean that out and installed well, log burner,
would burner whatever you want to call them. You can
get free standing ones or you can get ones that
will slop inside an existing fireplace.

Speaker 4 (01:30:53):
Right, and so you have that yeah, sorry, carry on.

Speaker 9 (01:30:57):
Yeah, So that so that's what we did.

Speaker 7 (01:30:59):
And you know we're actually being with the same wood
merchant for nearly forty five years.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Wow, same the same actual person or the same company.

Speaker 7 (01:31:11):
We're the same company. Where they may have changed hands,
I don't know, but you know, we you know, we
might pay a little bit more than what some people
do for their wood. But with this crowd, they are
quite a big crowd in close church. They actually kiln
dry their wood before the customers buy it. So you know,

(01:31:32):
I can get a truckload of wood and the same
day that I get it, I could actually be burning it, right.
That's that is the secret to running a good be
an open fire, whether it be a log burner, you
need to have dry wood. We actually I actually purchased,
like the next couple of months, I'm going to be

(01:31:54):
purchasing all my wood for next year's winter. I buy
it about six to seven months and a month, even
though it's already dry. It will be all stacked away
in the woodshed. And I have no issues. And you know,
and because of that, what do I do? We buy
the wood and then before the new before about eight
four May, before we know we've got to start lighting

(01:32:16):
the wood burner. We get the old chimney cleaners in
it and they do it clean. They were clean of
the chimneys once a year. We do it, you know,
we do it religiously, get the chimneys clean, dry wood.
And we don't have an issue what soever with that.

Speaker 23 (01:32:32):
Is it is it?

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
Is it a special day at almost ceremonious situation when
you light the first fire of of of the year.

Speaker 7 (01:32:41):
No, no, not really, we just know, you know, and
even like, even though we're now in October, you know,
we're actually still having some bloody cold days here in
christ Church. So we won't hesitate to still like still
light the fire if we think we need it, because you.

Speaker 4 (01:32:58):
Love the good life. Wayne, Absolutely plenty of seats coming
through on nine two, nine to two.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
This business is those bunch down south. Sure are different?

Speaker 4 (01:33:07):
Yeah, that a good good thing or different?

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
A different world downtown?

Speaker 4 (01:33:11):
Wrong people down there a cord. We've gone over the
core business. Lets forget about the cor business. So I
know more about the cord. We figured that out. One
hundred eighty eight is the number to call. I think
we've got time for John actually before the headlines.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Now John you're the perfect person to talk to.

Speaker 9 (01:33:27):
John.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
You're a fireplace installer.

Speaker 9 (01:33:30):
Jday. Guys.

Speaker 22 (01:33:30):
Yeah, I've literally I just stepped off the ladder from
installing a new fire today and jumped in the truck
and here's this conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
Oh how good? And whereabouts do you operate?

Speaker 7 (01:33:41):
John?

Speaker 22 (01:33:42):
We're up in Auckland. We we sell in install fires
around the country that mainly up in Auckland. And still
lots of misconceptions about wood fires.

Speaker 9 (01:33:49):
Can we can we?

Speaker 24 (01:33:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:33:52):
Yeah, you absolutely can. Is a there's been a real
resurgence into wood burning fires, either replacing old fires or
gas fires or new installations, and there's lots of options
from open fires to wood burners. Yeah, in doors outdoors.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
How much would I mean this? It's hard to say,
I mean how long is a piece of rope? But
say I've got a house and mountain and just to say.

Speaker 4 (01:34:17):
Just an example, and I'm thinking that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
There's no chimney in there at the moment to go
for a full like an open old school open fire
with the chimney, what are we looking at?

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
What sort of ballpipe trace?

Speaker 22 (01:34:32):
In mount Eden? You're probably looking open fires there are
in every part of the country. There's different rules, and
in the middle of the city you may not be
able to get an open fire in a moment, but
you can certainly have one outdoor. So you can get
your open wood burning fixed by putting an outdoor fire
on outside. And you can spend anywhere from as low

(01:34:52):
as three to four grand for something from Bunnings, might
attend all the way up to twenty five thirty thousands
for something really really special and custom made.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
What do they care if it's indoor or outdoor, if
it's the if they've got to or if they've got
a problem with smoke, what does it matter?

Speaker 9 (01:35:09):
Yeah, I know that.

Speaker 22 (01:35:09):
The theory is in winter, when the conditions are a
bit heavier outside atmosphere conditions, the smoke doesn't dissipate as well.
But we've answered that with clean burning, clean airprooved clean
burning with burners which burn a lot hotter and cleaner,
and so we don't have that pollution problem in the
cities like we used to. And then conversely, in the

(01:35:32):
summer time, when you're using outdoor fires, the outdoor ambient
temperatures a bit warmer, so that smoke disappears a lot easier.

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
Now I'm not saying you do this, John, clearly you're
a very good fireplace installer. But I have heard in
places like christ you they get a bit silly about
the new fireplaces. They wanted to ban it all because
of smug or something for some reason. But I've heard
people get around that that they just put in a
pizza ruven fire out the back and it's not rarely
for cooking pizzas. But as long as you say it's
for cooking food, then you can install all we fireplace

(01:36:04):
in the back garden. I mean that's kind of a
little bit of a loophole there for some some regions.

Speaker 22 (01:36:07):
Right, yeah, so not even a loophole outdoor fires. They
do sometimes specify that you can cook on that, But
I don't know of any restrictions to outdoor outdoor woburning fires. No, No,
that's that's no problem at all. And there's even in
areas where there are stricter rules about wood burning, you know,

(01:36:30):
and built ups in the years, there's lots and lots
of cleaner woburning models that you.

Speaker 9 (01:36:35):
Can choose from.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
And do you install the gas fires with with the chimney,
you know, not, rather than the sort of fake electrical fires,
but the.

Speaker 22 (01:36:45):
Yep, yep, yep, we do. We do gas fires as well,
just there's a little uncertainty with you know, supply of
guests and you know, going to the future. But that
could turn around just as quickly as well.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
But you would you in those completely fake electric ones
that that's kind of like a TV screen if you.

Speaker 22 (01:37:04):
Want to just pre you know, so some TV screen
watching fire. There are some realistic looking one. So I'm
not I'm not big enough. And sometimes you can't put
a floor a chimney up through a second story or
apartment jot, So here's a place for them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
What happens, John, if you install an outdoor fire, but
you've got a sneaky hatch into the house and then
a sneaky clothes hatch on the outdoor fire, and then
suddenly this outdoor fire is actually an indoor fire.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
We love our loopholes in New Zealands, and that sounds
like a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
I'll keep your number, John, and we'll talk about that. Yeah,
thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
So this is exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
You're exactly the right person to call. So glad you
called through, John brilliant.

Speaker 4 (01:37:52):
Yeah, love it. Well, we've got plenty of calls to
get to our headlines with rayling coming up. But if
you know about wood burners and fireplaces one hundred and
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
I've got a question as well. The chimney sweeps.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
They're still put eight year olds down there wearing cheese
cutters and knickerbockers and the little pants and the city
get down there. And because they're small enough to get
up and down there, are we running.

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
Any eight year old school holidays at the moment? What
else are they going to do? Good money? Yeah, give
us a call. Is twenty nine to four.

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Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
Thank you very much, ray Lean and we are talking
about fireplaces. Not so long ago most of us did
have a fireplace, but there were some regulations that came
in up and down the country. So we're keen here
from you. If you've recently installed a fireplace, what have
you gone with and what sort of challenges did you face?

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
You were talking before about you know, the whole thing
about cleaning the chimneys. Yes, and there's been a lot
of sexts coming through on that. Apparently we're not eight
year olds with knickerbocker's anymore. And you know, little suit
jackets and cheese cutters, it is a shame and throwing
them down the chimney.

Speaker 4 (01:40:16):
Yeah, they did good work.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
Yeah, Dave says the best way to clean the chimney
is tire rooster to a long stick by its legs
and shove it down the chimney. That sucker will flap
its wings like crazy, up and down, up and down.
Job done, Dave.

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
So it's some innovation right there.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
That's interesting. I didn't know that was the best way
to do it, but thanks for sharing, Dave. Sharon, Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 24 (01:40:37):
Oh, good afternoon. You two.

Speaker 16 (01:40:40):
Fireplaces here. My husband I had a fireplace for last
and golly thirty odd years commonly, but my husband, who's yeah,
it's great. We wouldn't have anything else. But my husband's
the one who organized our firewood. We're fortunate enough to
have a pine plantation, and he'd being in the later
parts of this of his sixty year old life. He's

(01:41:03):
the one that chops the firewood Pittsford and uns up
the stairs, all that sort of thing, and then it
gets cold. Fling it in the fireplace to keep me warm.

Speaker 9 (01:41:11):
That is manly.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
Do you appreciate it? Does that make you?

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
Does that you make you love him even more every
time he has a bit of wood into the fire, Sharon, of.

Speaker 16 (01:41:20):
Course for years we've made forty six years the love
of it. But also we've got a Lady kitchener, which
is a New Zealand made fireplace from Napier. It's a Forenzo.
It's oh, it's so warm, it's wly and it has
a wet.

Speaker 9 (01:41:32):
Back on it.

Speaker 16 (01:41:33):
So we have hot water hockhouse and we cocon it
as well.

Speaker 23 (01:41:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
So when you say, oh, look at that, I'm just
looking at one. How beautiful?

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
But like do you you must have a backup to
heat the water and stuff and the wet back, right so.

Speaker 16 (01:41:48):
Oh yeah, well the scaf color font as well. But
yeah yeah, but yeah in the winter time that it's
really good.

Speaker 12 (01:41:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
Oh wow, oh man, look at that. That's a describe
the one you look like, is it?

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Because the one I'm looking at is kind of a
futuristicy kind of fire that's sort of hangs from the
roof and it's kind of like an upside down wine glass.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
Is that what you're running?

Speaker 16 (01:42:13):
No, No, we've got a Lady Kitchener's actually on the
floor on the child that gets a decent sized log
in there you Google, I.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
Put in lady Kitchener and it's trying to sell me
other stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
Then we even looked out, so it's quite a solid thing.
And if you want to yea, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
I see it now that I get it. Yeah, they're
beautiful there, they're great though. It is good on you.

Speaker 4 (01:42:33):
You could almost put the saucepan or the frying pan
on the top and cook something if you wanted to.

Speaker 16 (01:42:37):
Yeah, I cook it on it all the time during
the winter time.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
As well. And where are you loving, Sharon? If you
didn't already say.

Speaker 16 (01:42:45):
We live in the northern part of Auckland.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
So how many months a year do you think you're
running the fire Sharon?

Speaker 24 (01:42:53):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (01:42:54):
Probably?

Speaker 16 (01:42:55):
You know they only start at the very beginning of
June if it's cold enough, and go through to it's
getting a bit warm for it now, so so reasonable
length of time.

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
Yeah, oh, good on you. Thanks for ringing.

Speaker 4 (01:43:04):
Share sounds very buw colic.

Speaker 16 (01:43:05):
I like it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:08):
Is the text number couple coming through, actually hundreds coming
through about the hell fireplaces, guys. I've got a log burner.
It is great, especially when the temperature is and the negatives.
I burn a bit of mix of wood from soft
to hard pine, old man pine to blue gum in Oregon.
I have a mass port. She's a beauty.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
Love that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Yeah, it's a bit rough, someone's saying here. Yeah, it's
not the same lying on a sheepskin rug and getting
romantic under a heat pump.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
This is the text.

Speaker 4 (01:43:36):
Not quite No, No, it doesn't have the same vibe
about it. Yeah, we'll take Mike before, get a place
some messages. Get a Mike.

Speaker 11 (01:43:43):
Yeah, good afternoon, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:43:44):
How are you very good? You got a wood burner?

Speaker 11 (01:43:48):
No, listen, I'm going to try a different light on
the subject. I'm actually a dealer. I've been supplying and
installing woodburners and christ Church for the last almost twenty
years now, and I'm what we call a woodsman agent.
So they're a New Zealand manufactured fire and christ Church
by Harris Home Fires, and they are a fifth generation
family business. So I know all about wood burners. Indoors
and outdoors and have you got any questions for me?

(01:44:10):
Fire away sues the pun but just hearing before the
man the man the man was talking before. I think
the installer was talking about outdoor fires. Yeah, we New
Zealand goes by the Ministry for Environment lists and here
in Grossroots we're governed by the ear Canda list And
basically with an outdoor fire, it states that you can't
light a fire in your backyard unless it's a hanging

(01:44:32):
in umu or a barbecue. Now, these outdoor fires like
Warrington's and on flame and all these fires you've have
pizza ovens built in or they have grills on hot plates,
and as long as it's a cooking applies, it's classified
as a barbecue.

Speaker 8 (01:44:45):
You don't have to permit it.

Speaker 11 (01:44:47):
And you know, the bodies don't you know, the guys
that manage the airplans don't mine because it's not like
you're you're you're burning your fire eight hours a day,
seven days a week in your backyard. You tend to
just crank it up on a few hours on the weekends.
So that's how you can get away with open fires
in the home. But you open fires inside the home,
it's a different story. You've got to be outside of

(01:45:09):
clean ear zone on more than two hit years of land,
et cetera. So there are different rules applied to different fires.
But any foreign New Zealand can install a wood burner today.

Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
Right, And as the demand for woodburners keeping up, going up,
going down, what's the business like at the moment?

Speaker 11 (01:45:25):
Mike, Yeah, I've been really, really busy. I've got five
installation teams in christ Church and I've got to install
a throat in New Zealand that I have relationships with.

Speaker 17 (01:45:33):
And you know, I mean I put.

Speaker 11 (01:45:35):
Personally out did fifty five wood burners and a couple
of months ago just for the month, I'm averaging around
forty wood burners a month. But wow, just my business
here in christ Church. But the market slowed down a
little bit at the moment because I guess it's not
exactly it's not exactly snowing outside. People are preparing ideal
with corporate businesses. I install for new builds. Well, I

(01:45:57):
personally don't install, but I have got teams that do it.
But so we have to have an ould shall lower
mission wood burner in christ Church clean air zone. So
basically the fire must burn it about point six of
a gram ap point six of a gram of pollutant
per kilogram of smoke. It's all given by how much
pollutant per cagal a smoke of fire emits, so it
needs to be ultraalie mission and christ Church. But then

(01:46:19):
if you lived on the West Coast or on a
farm on more than two hectores of land outside of
clean air zone, there.

Speaker 19 (01:46:24):
Are no rules.

Speaker 11 (01:46:25):
You can have an open fire in your home if
you like, and particularly on the West Coast, you can
have h but no they're very popular. They work in
the event of a power cuts. The best way to
heat your house I reckon.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
Is anyone allowed to run coal anywhere in the country,
because when I was growing up in Dunedin, I loved
the smell of coal when I was running back from
the you know, coming home, running home from footy. I
remember it really distinctly.

Speaker 11 (01:46:46):
Yeah, well that's a good bish. Woodsman manufacturers and the
other brands manufacture what we call a multi fuel fire.
So a multi fuel fire has the ability to burn
both wood and coal. So it has an ash pan
underneath the firebox and a great and a great so
you get more oxygenated air in there for burning coal,

(01:47:06):
but you know, you get an extra We ended burn
time burning coal and they put out.

Speaker 19 (01:47:11):
A of a lot of heat.

Speaker 11 (01:47:13):
So yes, a multi fuel fire can burn coal. And
if you've got an open fire, I guess you could
chuck some coal on that as well if you wanted to.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
But yeah, so well, interms of people that environmentally minded,
there's absolutely nothing wrong with burning wood because obviously that's,
as I saying before, that's completely sustainable. It's above it's
above the ground, and the trees grow, you burn them.

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
It's all good.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
You're just putting the same carbon back into the atmosphere
as was already there. That you know that, you know,
the stuff you dig out of the ground is the
stuff that people get really upseet. What kind of water
are people burning in those wood burners?

Speaker 4 (01:47:45):
Might?

Speaker 11 (01:47:46):
Yes, So there are different types of what obviously, as
a gentleman mentioned earlier on old Man Pine, we probably
quite a start away from old Man Pine because it's
quite synonymous for pre asserting and blocking up flu. You
want to have wood, that's no doubt for them twenty percent.
So a moisture meat is a good thing if you've
got a wood burner. You grab a moisture meter from

(01:48:08):
from somewhere and you can test the volume of water
inside wood. So it needs to be nice and dry basically.
But all different types of pine, macrocarper, blue gums are hardwood,
you know, So a mixtor of hardwood and softwood's ultimate
fuel for a wood burner. But any types of wood
you can burn, Yeah, no problem there.

Speaker 4 (01:48:28):
So I'm in the market for wood at the moment.
You wouldn't recommend going pure hardwood. I've got to get
a what do they call it a hot mix?

Speaker 11 (01:48:36):
Yeah, Well, do you pay more for hardwood because it
burns longer than pine? But a good mix of both
softwood and hardwood, but hardwood is the ultimate. Of course,
you get a longer burn time out of it. So yeah,
as long as it's good dry wood, you can't go wrong.

Speaker 9 (01:48:50):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
What's the name of your company again? We love a
free plant.

Speaker 11 (01:48:55):
Oh you're so kind mate. I've seen Woodsman fires all
over New Zealand. We just shipped directly from the manufacturer
here in crisis and Woodsmen are owned by Harris Home
Fires and I've been around since eighteen eighty seven. They're
a fifth generation family business. This is called your My
business is called your store. So your store done ins in.
I just sent a fire to Narawahia this morning, actually

(01:49:16):
at Woodsman Ceremp. Petit just left today. So we send
them all over New Zealand and here in christ which
I can offer people free now obligation supply and installation
quotes for both the new build or existing home. So
it's going really well. Yes, thanks for the opportunity guys,
and appreciate that it wasn't going to tell you that,
but anyway, No, we love it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
You and you know it when you go give them
the chance.

Speaker 4 (01:49:37):
Yeah, Kevin, I look at get Serene Petit as well.
Beautiful looking fire right. We've got plenty of calls coming through, oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you want to
join in. It's quarter to.

Speaker 1 (01:49:45):
Four Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon
rolls on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 4 (01:49:53):
They'd be good afternoon. We've been talking about fireplaces and
a whole bunch of text have been coming through on
nine to two. Nine to two. But let's go to Georgie.

Speaker 6 (01:50:01):
Get a Georgie Hello, Tyler.

Speaker 15 (01:50:04):
We had two multi fuels putting at different times and
on the coast, which of course is different rules. But
when we went there there was an open fire with
a brick chimney. So we had a younger put in
the fireplace, you know, set in one and that was

(01:50:27):
Yunker what's a young That was the brand. It's the ones,
you know, the ones with the door and the yeah,
And that was set in the fireplace. And then in
two thousand and three we had the house altered and
we had a little chippy to heat the water at

(01:50:49):
that time, so we had one fire put in which
was a fissure there made in Westport. It was a
multi fuel as well, so we had to get the
chimney taken out and it was a free standing one
so it had the silver it was black but or
silver on the outside. The flu tight chimney for that one. Yeah, yeah,

(01:51:15):
but you have restrictions because I don't know how you
go for the built in one, but someone who knew
about it did it. Because you'd have to have the fire.
It wouldn't be too bad when you had the brick chimney,
I imagine, but for the other one you had to
be so far away from anything look auld burn, of course,

(01:51:36):
and we had a metal kind of a back drop
thing on the wall nice where the chimney was, and
then you had to have something around where the flue
goes up, I think. But as far as what were
you talking about cleaning the chimney. When we had the
brick chimney, the kids used to get up there and
you just had to lean the ladder against the brick

(01:51:59):
chimney and just use the brushes. But when we got
the other one, it was more difficult because we couldn't
lean a ladder against it, so we had to have
a step ladder and do it with the brushes that way, right. Well,
sometimes after the kids were gone there, so we've got

(01:52:20):
people to do it for us. But my husband used
to get me to get up there and bang the
chimney to get it, get the stuffed fell down out.

Speaker 3 (01:52:30):
Of it, get the stiff coming down, you know, anyway
you can make it work.

Speaker 4 (01:52:33):
Nobody wants that job, apart from the kids. Of course.

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
You wait till that fat bastard center once a year
comes down there.

Speaker 4 (01:52:39):
Yeahdy, he cleans that out pretty well.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
He touches the side.

Speaker 4 (01:52:43):
Yeah, yeah, he's the perfect chimney, chimney cleaner, our listeners
with Danny, Get Danny, Yeah, home now firewood you reckon.
You've got a bunch of free flywood.

Speaker 14 (01:52:54):
Well, there's tons of free foward out that you've got
to know where to look for it. We've got a
life sentence block. This is about half a kilometer of
dead trees, mature, dead and live trees that we've been
pulling out and we're advertising on Facebook Marketplace. Look, trees
are free for removal. Bring your chain saw, bring your
trailer and.

Speaker 9 (01:53:12):
Go for gold.

Speaker 14 (01:53:12):
And probably hundreds of cubes of firewoods gone out our gate.

Speaker 3 (01:53:18):
You don't want to say correct and correct correcer.

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
Okay, not far from the rugby club, right, So what's
your what's your health and safety policy? Like if I
turn up with a chainsaw and done in my.

Speaker 14 (01:53:28):
Life, I've got I've got the sheet of rules.

Speaker 24 (01:53:31):
You have your own own PP.

Speaker 16 (01:53:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:53:35):
Yeah, that's the sort that one. Unfortunately you've got to
look too it into consideration these days.

Speaker 7 (01:53:40):
Yep.

Speaker 14 (01:53:40):
Yeah, just when someone must the eye goggles.

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
Yeah, you know when someone like chopping their foot off
and deafening themselves and getting a splinter in their eye
on your life sentence block, do you, Danny, didn't you
have to.

Speaker 14 (01:53:54):
Make a hell of a miss Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:53:56):
Would Yeah, all right, that's a that's a good tip.
I over think about that.

Speaker 14 (01:54:00):
Look on Facebook marketplace and there's lots people sell wood
that's you know, split and chopped and everything. You pay
for that, but if you're prepared to top up yourself
and take away, then you know that there is plenty
of free stuff out there.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call, Danny.

Speaker 4 (01:54:14):
Great tap right, We're going to play some messages and
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The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between.

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Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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They'd be.

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News talks. There'd be a couple of texts to finish this.
We've got hundreds and hundreds about the good old fireplace.

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Hey, so many people are talking about palette fire p
E l E. T fires awesome, clean burning, less mess
onless instant, not quite heat, no no need to chop
or stack wood. So that you've had one of these,
haven't you this? Yeah, that's text from Russell.

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Thanks for that.

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We've got one in our place. Yeah, down in christ
Jute And look that's super efficient and it's still a
real flame. So you buy the packs of palettes from
Bunning's or Minor ten. It's about ten bucks for a
twenty kilo. That would easily asked us a week and
it was about five bucks ten bucks but good. Not
as good as the real thing though, right, because I

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can't what I want to burn in it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
Right, So you have to get the prescribed fuel. And
they're quite enclosed day they sort of stand. They're sort
of more upright than they are across, is that right.

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So it kind of looks like a free standing and
you put it on the top. There's a hopper that
goes in and just feeds these little pellets in and
it's got a fan that blasts out the heat. I mean,
super If you want a warm house, the pellete fire
will crank it.

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You're not the same and they're not quite the same,
but still better than nothing. Macrocarver sparks, I mean, much
better than not having a fire, That's what I'm saying.
Macrocopa sparks you do not want them for an open
fire unless you want to attract attention from the fire brigade.
So when's that fire brigade strike? Don't fire up the
macrocarpa when the fire departments on strike. All right, what

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a fantastic chat that was about fires and such.

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How good? Hey, thanks so much for listening, and thank
you so much for all your texts and calls. It's
been a really really fun show. My good buddy, the
powerful Heather Dupercy Ellen is next. But Tyler, yes, why
would I be playing this song?

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Is this the police?

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Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:56:20):
I've got no idea what the name of the song
is the King of Pain because we talked about tramadoles
for two hours on radio. All right, then, okay, you've
seen busy until tomorrow afternoon. Give me a taste of
the key from us. All right, Absolute Chune

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