Winston Peters supports banning protests outside of people's homes.
Submissions close today on a proposed law change, to prohibit disruptive demonstrations outside private residences.
Pro-Palestine demonstrators last week protested outside the Foreign Minister's Auckland home after Israeli forces intercepted a flotilla headed to Gaza, including three Kiwis.
Peters says this new law aims to provide clarity.
"Everyone is entitled to their peace in their neighbourhood, and if you want to protest, there's places for protesting - but it isn't outside of people's homes."
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
So we have been talking about protests outside of Foreign
Minister Winston Peters Auckland's home, banging drums, waving Palestinian flans
and demanding action over New Zealanders involved in the Gaza
Aid flow tiller. So it was noisy, emotional and highly visible.
The police were called, noise control showed up. The names
of the activists were written in chalk on the footpath.
(00:37):
But Winston Peters himself has called that particular style of
protest disgraceful and that private home should be off limits.
Minister Winston Peters, very good afternoon to you.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Good afternoon, thank you for joining us in. Minister, can
you describe the protests that occurred outside your house?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Well, there's been a whole lot of them, but the
latest one turns up with usual noise, last in the
whole street, waging everybody up in the neighborhood and the
dolls and the cats and all the animals, and generally
breaking the law because we haven't noise abatement laws in
this country and they prest all those are the.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Laws that we've got sufficient to stop this kind of behavior,
or do you support a new law that's been proposed
by justin Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Well, I support the new law because there's some vagueness
about the application of the old law. And when you
insist that the noise abatement rules be followed so that
blocks away they won't be able to hear this protest,
there have been some vagueness about how it applies, and
so clarity is the name of the game. Everyone is
(01:47):
in total to their peace and their neighborhood. And if
you want to protest, it's preciousful protest, but it isn't
outside of people's homes. Sometimes those protests have happened when
they're not even home. It's only that neighborhood that's taking
the pain and bearing the bunt of it all.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
You yourself, minister, have been you know, supportive of the
idea of protesting for a long time in your career
of various different issues. What's the egregious part of being
outside apologists private home? Is it the fact that sometimes
children and other family members are targeted with these actions.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well, it's an anophol reason. So this is first of all,
not a public place in this context. One of the
marvelest things about our law coming down through the centuries
is the right to peaceful occupation of your home, and
someone breaking the laws with loudspeigers or three louds figures
outside the front door is not abiding by the law.
My most important point is the campus places where you
(02:42):
can protest. But to think you're going to shout outside,
for example, as they did the other night about the
three people on the flotilla shouting out bringing them home,
when we first of all told them not to come,
not to go further. We told them not to go
because it ought to be rested last time. And the
second thing, we knew that we had pign affairs in
Anchor and around the world stepping in to try and
(03:04):
help them back, and they'll be coming home. So they
were shouting out of guitar. Message has already been dealt with, yes,
by Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
So would you be able to put up the noise
more if the message was less futile in your opinion, Minister, No.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Because the neighborhood has no responsibility or obligation to put
up with people preaching the law in that way.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Now, Minister, you've been around for a while, obviously, do
you think things have changed? Is this more prevalent then
than it has been in the past, this kind of behavior.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Well, it has changed dramatically because you've got these people
virtue signaling and they don't give a darn about other
people's rights. Now, you know, there's a famous speech bad
by an human politician that says, you're right in one
edge from the end of my nose. It was a
long long time ago when you said that, but it
is correct. When you're going to a protest, you've got
a rite to and that is a central part of democracy.
(04:04):
But there are rules and obligations you've got to follow.
You can't example, block roads, stop traffic, particularly when someone
may be on an emergency rushing off to hospital to
save someone's life. That is unacceptable and that's what my
point is. There's got to be rules.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So where do you support protests to take place? I mean,
we had protests in front of Parliament that were the
famous Parliament protests that ended in quite dramatic fashion. Is
Parliament the place to protest? Is it public squares? Where
where do you support protests?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
But it would have never been in dramatic fashion. Had
not every parliamentarian signed a fact whether then Prime Minister
not to talk to them. This is unbelievable that you'd
have no one in Parliament then appear to go down
and talk to them and hear them out. They would
have gone home. It deteriorated rapidly after that.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
That's my point, Minister, isn't a part of this when
you've got actions like these protests undertook and we've had
a lot of people come through over the last forty
five minutes saying it goes too far proteint seen outside
a private person's residence, and then you mentioned blocking the
roads and the Auckland Harbor Bridge for example. At the
end of the day, this whole message that the protests
(05:18):
are trying to get through, isn't it a bit of
an own goal because most fear minded New Zealanders can
see it goes too far or the interrupt lives of
people that have nothing to do with it, so their
causes weakened anyway.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Well, what you're really saying is they lose any moral
high ground they're claiming. There's no morality in what they're
claiming in the first place, so they don't ever care
about moral high ground. They've come to the view that
no matter what the population thinks, no matter what the
process thinks, no matter what Parliament thinks, they in a
democracy are entitled to have their voice, whether it be
(05:54):
one tenth of the rest of the nation's voice heard
above all others. This is a type of facism, it's
a type of Marxism. It's a type of pictorial behavior
which we don't accept.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Now, finally, Minister, these three New Zealanders that have been detained,
that were on the flotilla, is there any reason for
friends and family to be concerned for their safety.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
No, because we've gone a lot of bubble we always
do that. They were not in any way endangered. This
was a futile journey where people were saying they're taking
aid when their aid had no chance of getting in there.
The Italian leader said, look, we've got a military boat.
Give us the aid and will to make sure it
lands at the right place and it gets to the
(06:40):
gas and people. But they weren't interested in getting to
the people in Gaza. They were interested in virtue sitting
the formative politics and trying to make a point at
the enormous cost of the victims in Gaza and at
the enormous cost of media space on real issues in
our country.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for most.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Want to say, how would you guys, how they come
outside your front door now and plus at your show
so you can't speak to the country.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
We did talk about that, Minister, and I think Matt
and myself both agreed that that's probably too far for
They want to come outside the studio more than welcome.
But outside of my private home, no, I wouldn't like it.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But there's a lot of protections.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Here outside of your studio. You're an essential part of
the nvacy. It's called a four state Yeah, and there
now making sure that you can't operate.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Well, there's been a bit of that protesting out the
front he has. Yeah, but we're on the we're on
the first floor and we're protected by the my costing
protocols where there's a lot of lot of doors to
swipe through. But yes, some people can protest, as I
say on nine two nine two is the text numbered
or eight hundred and eighty three and eighty those are
perfect lines of protests that they can they can use.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, and we get a lot of that minister really
appreciate you coming on this afternoon. Really nice to chat
chats that is for a minister and the leader of
the New Zealand First Party of course, Winston Peters. And
thoughts and prayers to his pets and neighbors.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah, absolutely with people yelling and screaming on a street
at all ours.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Those poor dogs.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
For more from News Talk Said, listen live on air
or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you
go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talks'd be follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
So we have been talking about protests outside of Foreign
Minister Winston Peters Auckland's home, banging drums, waving Palestinian flans
and demanding action over New Zealanders involved in the Gaza
Aid flow tiller. So it was noisy, emotional and highly visible.
The police were called, noise control showed up. The names
of the activists were written in chalk on the footpath.
(00:37):
But Winston Peters himself has called that particular style of
protest disgraceful and that private home should be off limits.
Minister Winston Peters, very good afternoon to you.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Good afternoon, thank you for joining us in. Minister, can
you describe the protests that occurred outside your house?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Well, there's been a whole lot of them, but the
latest one turns up with usual noise, last in the
whole street, waging everybody up in the neighborhood and the
dolls and the cats and all the animals, and generally
breaking the law because we haven't noise abatement laws in
this country and they prest all those are the.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Laws that we've got sufficient to stop this kind of behavior,
or do you support a new law that's been proposed
by justin Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Well, I support the new law because there's some vagueness
about the application of the old law. And when you
insist that the noise abatement rules be followed so that
blocks away they won't be able to hear this protest,
there have been some vagueness about how it applies, and
so clarity is the name of the game. Everyone is
(01:47):
in total to their peace and their neighborhood. And if
you want to protest, it's preciousful protest, but it isn't
outside of people's homes. Sometimes those protests have happened when
they're not even home. It's only that neighborhood that's taking
the pain and bearing the bunt of it all.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
You yourself, minister, have been you know, supportive of the
idea of protesting for a long time in your career
of various different issues. What's the egregious part of being
outside apologists private home? Is it the fact that sometimes
children and other family members are targeted with these actions.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well, it's an anophol reason. So this is first of all,
not a public place in this context. One of the
marvelest things about our law coming down through the centuries
is the right to peaceful occupation of your home, and
someone breaking the laws with loudspeigers or three louds figures
outside the front door is not abiding by the law.
My most important point is the campus places where you
(02:42):
can protest. But to think you're going to shout outside,
for example, as they did the other night about the
three people on the flotilla shouting out bringing them home,
when we first of all told them not to come,
not to go further. We told them not to go
because it ought to be rested last time. And the
second thing, we knew that we had pign affairs in
Anchor and around the world stepping in to try and
(03:04):
help them back, and they'll be coming home. So they
were shouting out of guitar. Message has already been dealt with, yes,
by Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
So would you be able to put up the noise
more if the message was less futile in your opinion, Minister, No.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Because the neighborhood has no responsibility or obligation to put
up with people preaching the law in that way.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Now, Minister, you've been around for a while, obviously, do
you think things have changed? Is this more prevalent then
than it has been in the past, this kind of behavior.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Well, it has changed dramatically because you've got these people
virtue signaling and they don't give a darn about other
people's rights. Now, you know, there's a famous speech bad
by an human politician that says, you're right in one
edge from the end of my nose. It was a
long long time ago when you said that, but it
is correct. When you're going to a protest, you've got
a rite to and that is a central part of democracy.
(04:04):
But there are rules and obligations you've got to follow.
You can't example, block roads, stop traffic, particularly when someone
may be on an emergency rushing off to hospital to
save someone's life. That is unacceptable and that's what my
point is. There's got to be rules.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So where do you support protests to take place? I mean,
we had protests in front of Parliament that were the
famous Parliament protests that ended in quite dramatic fashion. Is
Parliament the place to protest? Is it public squares? Where
where do you support protests?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
But it would have never been in dramatic fashion. Had
not every parliamentarian signed a fact whether then Prime Minister
not to talk to them. This is unbelievable that you'd
have no one in Parliament then appear to go down
and talk to them and hear them out. They would
have gone home. It deteriorated rapidly after that.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
That's my point, Minister, isn't a part of this when
you've got actions like these protests undertook and we've had
a lot of people come through over the last forty
five minutes saying it goes too far proteint seen outside
a private person's residence, and then you mentioned blocking the
roads and the Auckland Harbor Bridge for example. At the
end of the day, this whole message that the protests
(05:18):
are trying to get through, isn't it a bit of
an own goal because most fear minded New Zealanders can
see it goes too far or the interrupt lives of
people that have nothing to do with it, so their
causes weakened anyway.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Well, what you're really saying is they lose any moral
high ground they're claiming. There's no morality in what they're
claiming in the first place, so they don't ever care
about moral high ground. They've come to the view that
no matter what the population thinks, no matter what the
process thinks, no matter what Parliament thinks, they in a
democracy are entitled to have their voice, whether it be
(05:54):
one tenth of the rest of the nation's voice heard
above all others. This is a type of facism, it's
a type of Marxism. It's a type of pictorial behavior
which we don't accept.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Now, finally, Minister, these three New Zealanders that have been detained,
that were on the flotilla, is there any reason for
friends and family to be concerned for their safety.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
No, because we've gone a lot of bubble we always
do that. They were not in any way endangered. This
was a futile journey where people were saying they're taking
aid when their aid had no chance of getting in there.
The Italian leader said, look, we've got a military boat.
Give us the aid and will to make sure it
lands at the right place and it gets to the
(06:40):
gas and people. But they weren't interested in getting to
the people in Gaza. They were interested in virtue sitting
the formative politics and trying to make a point at
the enormous cost of the victims in Gaza and at
the enormous cost of media space on real issues in
our country.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for most.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Want to say, how would you guys, how they come
outside your front door now and plus at your show
so you can't speak to the country.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
We did talk about that, Minister, and I think Matt
and myself both agreed that that's probably too far for
They want to come outside the studio more than welcome.
But outside of my private home, no, I wouldn't like it.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But there's a lot of protections.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Here outside of your studio. You're an essential part of
the nvacy. It's called a four state Yeah, and there
now making sure that you can't operate.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Well, there's been a bit of that protesting out the
front he has. Yeah, but we're on the we're on
the first floor and we're protected by the my costing
protocols where there's a lot of lot of doors to
swipe through. But yes, some people can protest, as I
say on nine two nine two is the text numbered
or eight hundred and eighty three and eighty those are
perfect lines of protests that they can they can use.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, and we get a lot of that minister really
appreciate you coming on this afternoon. Really nice to chat
chats that is for a minister and the leader of
the New Zealand First Party of course, Winston Peters. And
thoughts and prayers to his pets and neighbors.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah, absolutely with people yelling and screaming on a street
at all ours.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Those poor dogs.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
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or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you
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