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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you great New Zealands, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show Podcast number two one five for Monday,
the sixth of October.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
We got through all our subjects today we did. I
would have to say that the limbs.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
One was quite confronting hearing about people that have lost
their limbs because one and eighteen people, as you will
find out, I've lost limbs in the last year in
New Zealand, which is oh, that's carnage, isn't it. Missing limbs.
So some heroic stories about how people have continued on
with a missing limb. But yeah, and then now we
got Winston Peter's on the Shark.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Great chat with Winnie p Yeah, he ran through.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
And had a bit of a chat, and you know,
it was interesting when you talk to Winston Peter's been
to beat him a few times and it can go
one of two ways, because he's got very little time
for the media.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, So he's always looking to rip
you a new one. Yep, yep. It always goes very feisty, yeah,
or very diplomatic. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I think he was about to rip us a new one,
but he couldn't really find a reason.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
It got pretty close. Yeah, yeah, but loved it. It
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Speaker 1 (01:27):
Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Talk said, be we'll get eight of you. Welcome into
Monday's show. Have you had a fantastic week in what
have you ended up doing? But really really good to
have your a company as always?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Hey you, Matt, Yeah, Hello Tyler, Hello you great New Zealand.
Where you're tuning in from. I always listened to this
podcast recently by this guy called Chris Williamson, his podcast
called Modern Wisdom.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
You've listened to that, Tyler, No, I haven't, but I'm
aware of it, The Modern Wisdom podcast. It's really good.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
But anyway, on it, he was talking about how time
seems to fly by, and it was talking about how
our brain doesn't register thing that we do over and
over again. That's why if you drive the same route
to work every day. You won't remember it, but you
definitely remember your first time you ever drove a car
because it was completely new, so your brain decided to
register it. Your brain doesn't want to waste energy on
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registering things that it does a lot makes sense. It
just files away and you've got no memories of it.
And so the best way to fight that feeling that
life was going past really quickly is to do a
lot of different things, a lot of different things. That's
why you remember a lot of details from a holiday
when you're in a different place compared to a.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Similar week at home.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yes, So over the weekend, I decided that I was
going to try and generally across my life to do
a lot of different things all the time, to try
and extend my weekends. And I succeeded thoroughly. Over the weekend,
I'll say Friday night, went to a friend's birthday party.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
That was a fantastic time nice. On Saturday, we went
to another friend's birthday party, and then Tracy.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
And I we looked up the scariest movies ever made
watched two of them. In the Autopsy of Jane Doe
that was incredibly scary. And I also ran a half
marathon and went to Monster Trucks and went out to
a nice cafe for as well, a special cafe we'd
never been to before. And tell you what it works,
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doing a bunch of stuff on your weekend. It feels
like that weekend was a week as opposed to what
did you do?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I knew it was going to come back to it
and your bang on. You got absolutely steamed. Yeah, got
way too steamed. On Saturday night, we ended up going
into k Road and too well. It was a bar
that I'd never been to before, but my kneebriation levels
meant I remember bugger all about it and then completely
wasted my Sunday. Just felt like an absolute dirt bag
(03:54):
all day yesterday. So you're right, I look at what
you did, mate, and that makes me exhausted. But you're here,
you're fizzing, you're hyped up, and I'm sitting here just
with deep regret about my life.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, you're weakening in like that because you just you
did very few things, and the things you did, you
did them.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Almost unconsciously drunk. Yeah but anyway, anyway, anyway, let's make
some memories now over the next three hours showing beautifully
said after three o'clock this was going to be a
fun chat. So the Selver Ferns coaching saga, it continues
to be pretty dramatic. So negotiations between Dame Nolene Total
in Netball New Zealand stretched in to get this ten
(04:31):
hours for a meeting, Yet no consensus was actually reached.
So nothing appears to have happened in that ten hour
marathon of a meeting. But it raises the bigger question
about meetings and our general life and in our organizations
that we work for. Yeah, I mean, speaking of your
life racing past you with your hardly noticing it, how
much of your life is wasted in meetings? Yeah? And
(04:55):
you know, if you accept that you're wasting your life meetings,
how do you shorten? Shorten them?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
How do you shorten It's quite hard sentence to say,
how do you shorten them? Yes, as there someone you
know and look, we know these people that go from
meeting to meeting all day and they go, oh my god,
I've got so much meetings. Look at my calendar, so
many meetings. Are they actually getting anything done? Because don't
meetings create things to do? So if you're aways in meetings,
you never get anything done. Obviously, a ten hour meeting
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is silly. That's a ridiculous thing.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
That is.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, that's a crazy long time for meeting. Ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
But I'd argue anything more than ten minutes should be
reserved for only the hugest issues, right.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I agree. I mean you're going to have specific KPIs
that you're going to come out of that meeting and say,
here's my checklist and here's what I'm going to bring
back if we have to have another meeting. Otherwise that's
just an email, right, Yeah, you know exactly are you
on this? You're across this? Yep? All good?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
And Tyler and I were talking about this before with
those people that go nothing to report here. You've been
sitting in a meeting for an hour and you've got
nothing to report here, leave the meeting.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Well, I'd o waste the time, all right? Meetings after
three after two o'clock, A shocking new report reveals that
New Zealanders are losing limbs at record rate. So it
was one one and eighty one cases last year. That's
a fifty five percent increase from a deco a decade ago,
and most of these people sadly don't see it coming. Diabetes,
of course, are behind a lot of these cases. And
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the human toll, as you can mention if you lose
a limb are immense.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, absolutely, all those lives and eighty one limbs removed,
but each person, each one of those limbs is attached
to a person whose lives changed dramatically. So I'd love
to talk to people e one hundred and eighty ten
eighty have you have you lost a limb? You know
someone who's lost a limb? What's it like dealing with that?
In twenty twenty five, I know the text a bit better,
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but it's not easy.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yep, that is after two o'clock. But right now, let's
have a chat about protesting outside somebody's home. So on Friday,
around thirty protesters gathered outside Foreign Minister Winston Peters aucklandom though.
We're banging drums, waving flags and demanding action in this
case over New Zealander is involved in the gaza a
flow tiller. But it was noisy, emotional, highly visible. The
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police were called, noise control showed up and the names
of the activists were written in chalk on the footpath
as you can imagine, it was a protest. Mister Peters
didn't take lightly. He called it disgraceful and said politicians,
families and private homes should be off limits. It's you know,
it's pretty.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Crazy to go around to a man's family home and
hassle him. You know, where neighbors are on a suburban
straight I mean, there's plenty of public places to protest,
isn't there. I mean, if the cause is important enough,
should should you be able to protest wherever you want?
Or or do you kind of lose the moral high
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ground when you start intimidating people in their in their homes.
I mean, don't we all shouldn't we all be able
to try and expect some kind of peace and privacy
in our own homes, even if even if you strongly
disagree with with their politics. I mean, the right to
protest is incredibly important, but does it have to be
right in front of someone's home? And we just is
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no one going to go into politics if your home
isn't safe? Is just no one going to go into
politics because they never get a break from it.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I mean, it is the idea in this case, and
as Winston Peters said, in a statement via X that
all key we should have a place that they can
feel safe and that is their home. And I can
absolutely see where he's coming from there. That is, there
has to be some limits to where people are going
to disrupt and raise noise, and I think in this
case intimidate. So when you're trying to intimidate not just
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politicians but other members of the public, to me, that
is where you start to lose the moral high ground.
But it's an interesting one. And love to hear your
thoughts on eight hundred eighty ten eighty Text numbers nine
two nine two. Let's get into it. It is thirteen
past one, the.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons us talks.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
That'd be for a good afternoons you is it ever
acceptable to protest outside a politician's private home? Love to
hear your thoughts. I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call if you want to send
a text more than welcome. Nine to ninety two is
that number, Jerry. Welcome to the.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Showy afternoon, gentlemen. I've listened to you for quite some time,
and this is my very first call to you.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Appreciate that. Thank you so much for ringing in, Jerry,
ring any time. I wait under to eighty ten eighties
the number.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
So, first of all, just to Tyler, Tyler, is there
any chance that you're related to Steven Adams.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
No, sadly, I wish I was, because he's a talented
man and I love basketball. But no, there is no
chance I can tease any relation. I can tell you
looking at just basically his size, Jerry, I'm going to say, yeah, No,
if you saw me, Jerry, You'll be like, no way,
there's no lineage there at all.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Okay, So I won't I won't you ask you go.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Me as Adams? Maybe who going me as Adams? I
am starting to lose my hair working with me from
the Adams family. It doesn't matter anyway, socky Jerry.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
So on the politicians, I've always thought that a person's
home is their castle, and that would include politicians. So
you know when you sort of get around people's homes
that you're sort of getting into dangerous territory. And I
can tell you that about forty years ago, when I
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was in the overseas, there was a big political controversy
and one of the politicians was going on and on
at quite length. I think it was went on for
two or three months about some controversial issue, and somebody
from one of the farms dumped one half ton of
you know what extrement on the on the front lawn
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of a politician.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Wow, that's not cool, no night, Yeah, And what was
the outcome from that? Jerry? That's quite full noise to
I mean, that's effectively vandalism, isn't it. What was the
outcome of that particular action?
Speaker 6 (10:52):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (10:52):
I honestly can't remember it, but I do remember it happening.
And the person that did it, he was just extremely
upset and it was some sensitive political issue. I just
can't remember what it was.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Is there any issue that would hit you, Jerry that
was so so you know, it made you so angry
that that you would decide in your heart that the
protest has to be taken right to the politician, the
source where the politician is as opposed to public space.
Is there anything that that would get you up to
that level?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Jerry?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
No, No, no, actually not. I don't like eco terriers,
terrorists and all that sort of thing. And I do
think there has to be a legitimate way of protesting. If,
for example, if I didn't like you guys, I should
at least send you a courteous letter saying I don't
like you because of such and such a reason, and
would you change change something? But you know, when you
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when you don't like something, you have to do to
be able to deal with it, right, M.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
But what if what if you sent that letter?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And I mean, it's a it's a very different thing
because I don't I say, I think the thing there
was there was laws that would stop someone vandalizing someone's
house already and causing a disruption. There are laws, and
so the law that they're looking at bringing in the
bill that they're would make specific to protests that were
targeted at individuals in their homes.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
So it specific.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
But but you know Whatams if you sent her an email,
a sternly worded email to say that Tyler and I
were a terrible radio show and you didn't agree with us,
and then we just kept ignoring it and kept ignoring
it and didn't do anything, you know, what would your
next step be?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
I would you know, as a Christian, I would have
to pray to God that you would help you.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
That's fair, that's fair, and I think a lot of
people do that in general. Jerry, I've got to say,
Jerry would appreciate your prayers. Yeah, absolutely great. Cal O
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Couple of ticks here and totally unaccepted to protest outside
of private residence. Wholeheartedly agree with Winston's comments on the
people being held in Israel. Leave them there for a
few months, they had a choice. Why should the taxpayer
bail them out?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Sandy.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I mean, as I said to before, you know, the
family that's that are being upset about the people that
have been held, the three New Zealanders, then they don't
need to worry because they will be returned safely that
nothing will happen to them. They're incredibly safe. They'll be
held and they'll be returned.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
So if anyone that's worried about it, and we've seen
some people in the media being hugely concerned about.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It, absolutely no need to worry. No, they are some
of the safest people in that area.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Absolutely, But what do you say O eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty should politicians expect protests at home
as part of public accountability or do they have a
right to privacy and peace in that personal space?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
This person says, didn't a guy protest outside just into
Adurne's home get arrested?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
I remember this as we were working on her house.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, because there are So that's some of the pushback
on this bill is that there is already a lot
of laws that can be employed in these circumstances. So
if you're threatening someone or causing a massive disturbance, there's
a bunch of laws that existing lords that already cover violence, threats, harassment,
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and disorderly conduct. Yes, but this new thing was I
guess it's a message in society, you know, like there's
a potential prison sentence, two thousand dollars fine or whatever,
but it's more of a message to say that that
is that is the line, right, Yeah, So the line
is if you're protesting, you've gone over You've gone past
the line if you're in front of someone's house yelling
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at them. You know, just the idea of it is
probably in my opinion, past where we want to be
as a society. You know, we all support the right
to protest, and we all, you know, most of us
hopefully support free speech. Yeah, but that is a line
that's just too far.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, just to pick up on Jerry's point, you know
that if someone really did have if Jerry had a
problem with us and we ignored him, it would be
okay if he turned up outside of the studios here.
That to me is an okay form of protest. But
if he turned up outside of my home. The reason
I'd have a massive problem with that because I have
people living in my home that have no association with
some of the things that I say will do. They
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are completely outside of being involved and what the protests
protesters are angry about. And I think in Winston Peter's case,
his wife is there, his children might have been there.
That's where I think it starts to get egregious.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, and you and I, Tyler, we don't do a
job of any particular importance, but MPs judges all these
kind of people should be able to operate in the
public sphere.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
These people up in the public sphere and then go home, yes,
and rest, and then come back and know that their
families aren't being harassed at home and their neighbors aren't
being inconvenienced by their job that they do.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
But I would defend to the death the right of
people to abuse me on nine two, nine and two
on the text.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Machine and come on through, Come on through. That's a
great place to protest, Tyler, and you live for it.
It is twenty three past one, back in a mow.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the make asking breakfast.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Time, mister Willison. This open letter you tried on with
Fipkins and he said what he said, were you genuine?
Speaker 8 (16:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I was.
Speaker 9 (16:10):
If you go back and look in the house in
the Parliament. I've been calling on him to do this
for a long time. As I've said to Hipkins is
if you can't get over yourself and over the oil
and gas band, we need that repeal for at least
a decade. So why don't you just commit to that
pretty basic sort of requirement because it's your mess and
your ideology that put us in this place.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
But the problem is they've got you by the short
and curlies. And that sence happened though, because if I'm
looking at this country and I don't have any sight
beyond next year, why would I invest when I don't
know what's going to happen yet, Back tomorrow at six
am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Land Drover, Defend
and News Talk.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Z B Afternoon to you. So, should politicians homes or
the homes of anybody for that matter, be off limits
when it comes to protest? Love to hear your thoughts
on our one hundred and eighty ten eighty This Texas
says in here's some words for you. What have we
ever got without making a noise? Than Cooper's words?
Speaker 10 (17:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
What have we ever got without making a noise? But
no one's saying that you can't make a noise?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Absolutely?
Speaker 11 (17:09):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
The question is can you get out.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Of megaphone and stand in front of a politician's house
or a judge's house and yell at them? Yeah, and
organize people to get together, So share the address of
a particular individual and then organize to meet there and
then cause a ruckus, you know, write things on the
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pavement and chalk.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Because to me, that starts to verge on intimidation rather
than your right to protest peacefully. And a lot of
the protesters out there always make that point. It's a
peaceful protest, and that's a good thing, and that's a
right you've got. But as soon as you, as you say,
start finding out where politicians live with the megaphones, that
does start to feel not so peaceful anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, and I would say that protesters in our country
have definitely been allowed to make noise of lay. Yeah,
there's been all kinds of noise from protests. Just question
is is it a step too far to be right
out the front of an in target the individual's house. Abigail,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
How are you.
Speaker 10 (18:13):
I'm really well today, thank you, and how are you?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Amazing?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Good?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Good?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
So thoughts on your thoughts on the protesters conversation Killer.
Speaker 12 (18:26):
I think it's a disgrace. I think these people are
very ignorant. I'd like to know what they do as
a day job, because if all they can do is
go make a noise outside someone's house, it's very unacceptable.
I hope they all got carted away and put in
the clink for the day or the night or something
and got fined. Winston peters himself as a gentleman who
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presents himself really well, and I'm so glad he stands
up and steaks out always, like when he wears his
tart and tie, that is excellent, and he always seems
to be very proud of that. But I don't know
what's happening to New Zealand. All of a sudden we've
got all these the it seems to be really new.
Speaker 10 (19:09):
I've been here twenty eight years and it seems to
be a sort of new episode.
Speaker 12 (19:15):
That this is all happening.
Speaker 10 (19:17):
And I look at the people that are doing this,
and the.
Speaker 12 (19:20):
Majority, I feel the majority, and I'm definitely open to correction.
Speaker 10 (19:25):
We're all visitors here.
Speaker 12 (19:26):
We've been invited here as immigrants to come to this country,
and then we behave like this.
Speaker 10 (19:33):
And I think the countries that a lot of people
come from, they'd be put in the clink and you
wouldn't see them again for a long time if they
did it in their own countries.
Speaker 12 (19:44):
And they've come here as guests of New Zealand. So
I think it's very bad, and I hope something happens
that this has stopped really soon.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
You say Winston is a gentleman, Abigail, but he is
no shrinking violet when it's violet when it comes to
robust speech. Do you think that he has inflamed a
situation with the intensity of some of the things he says.
Speaker 11 (20:12):
No, no, I don't.
Speaker 12 (20:14):
I think he says the right things, and many other
politicians are afraid to say it.
Speaker 10 (20:21):
But just sorry, my apologies.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
You go on, Well, I was just going to say
when it comes to and I think we're all on
the same page here, and I can hear what you're
saying there about protesting outside of somebody's home, but I
still fiercely believe that you do need the ability to
allow people to vote. And you mentioned there in other
countries that'll be locked up, and we never ever want
to get to that situation. The idea, and mister Peters
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said that in his tweet, the idea that we've got
one of the freest democracies in the world is a
wonderful thing and we've got to protect that with everything.
But there is that balance there, and this is what
it's a great conversation, is the legislation if it goes
through that you can't protest outside people's homes. But there's
a lot of gray hereat there, right, because then you
start talking about should you should you shut down a
busy busy motorway or the Auckland, harbor Bridge, And I
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think that's a have a question to answer for me.
It annoys the hell out of me when that happens.
Speaker 13 (21:13):
Yeah, but it annoys the hell out of me too.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
But there's still that right to protest, and don't we
have to be concerned, Abigail, that that democracy is somehow
the right to protest is a huge part of democracy.
So do we have to be very careful every time
we restrict that?
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Yes?
Speaker 10 (21:35):
Why don't we create a sort box somewhere in each
city and it can be like a town crier and
here you here ring the bell and they can get
up on their box and say whatever they want.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I know where that wouldn't work, Abergail, because people would
go there to protest, and then they would feel like
they wouldn't weren't getting heard, and so then they'd start
looking for places because part of protesting is to interrupt
people and to disrupt, to disrupt, So if you had
a special protesting like a sealed off protesting area inside
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a soundproof booth, maybe, and then then it would wouldn't
do the job they want. But hey, thank you so
much for you call, Abergail, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, great, call. OH one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Love to hear your thoughts
about protesting outside of a politician's home. Nine two ninety
two is the text number as well. Just ignore them.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
People have a right to protest in public spaces. If
they're on a sidewalk outside of someone's house, it should
not matter. I mean that that's where it gets a
bit squirrelly, doesn't it, because the street is a public place,
but the person's house, it's it is. It's difficult. It
just I can see the division though. I can see
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the two things. You're protesting public and then you're protesting
targeted at an individual individual in their home. It's just
a bit different from protesting.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I Agreeeel, that's the line crossed. It's the targeting of
the person in their safe space. Yah, but what you say?
Nine two the text number. OH, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. And just a
heads up, we're hoping to speak to Winston Peters himself
before two o'clock, so Headlines with Railing coming up. Then
we've taken more of your calls.
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Speaker 3 (24:39):
Thank you very much. Rayleen, and we have been discussing
protesting outside of somebody's personal residents. So on Friday around
thirty protests, we're outside Foreign Minister Winston Peter's home banging drums,
waving flags and demanding action over the situation in Gaza
and the aid flowed Tiller. He has called those actions
disgraceful and that politicians family and private home should be
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off limits. This text to disagree, saying.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
We should be allowed to air our grievances to our government,
even if that means going to their house. Well, this businesses.
I worked at the Ministry of Social Development call center
and someone found my personal phone number and they were
sending me abusive text and this felt like a huge
invasion of privacy. Imagine if they found my address. It's
crazy out there these days, guys.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
That is terrifying. And that's a part of it, writer,
is I don't know how many people know where Winston
Peters lives clearly enough. But that do scene of that
information and then using it, in my view to effectively
intimidate and cause some level of you know, the fearing
for the safety, I think is just that step too
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far the success.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
So the processes have given out Winston's adress and called
for people to come to his home. Imagine if the
sheer was in the other foot, for example, Trump boys
turned up and protested out a front of the other
side houses. Yeah, I mean that would boy, oh boy,
that would kick off.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
You know, I'm sure we'd be hearing about that. Marty,
welcome the show.
Speaker 8 (26:05):
Oh, thank you very much. Thanks guys. And I had
the privilege about one thousand years ago. I'm sixty four
working for a minister just at the time, and I
was in Parliament and they were debating and arguing and
doing what they do best, and somebody started talking about
children of MPs and their mums or their wives, and
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Winston stood up and said, let's leave family out of this.
And I remember those words. I thought, how I'm not
saying I'm with them, or I thought, how proud I
was of him. Let's leap family out of this. And
it's just an extension. That house could have children in it.
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You know that tubing, it's and I used to be
a protester eighty two Spring Bok tour that tubling, but
you don't go here. That's family.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
And I mean, is that the crux of it for you, Marty?
That when you have individuals like family members or a
wife or children who have nothing to do with policies
being considered by a politician, that's where the line has
been crossed. That you are now effectively intimidating or potentially
scaring people who have no say in those things that
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are being protested about.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
Exactly. It could be a wife, a mom with two
little kids going to school and daddy happens to be
an MP. What would a five or eight year old
child know about that? And then to bring it to there?
I mean that's slow.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
So where do you think protests should take place, Mardy?
Speaker 8 (27:52):
Long? In front of people's personal houses? Know, whether you
like the MP, your luck and whatever, that should be
their private ground.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
But what if you think that, Mardi, What if you
think that the cause is just so existentially important and
you feel like you're not getting heard, then you know,
where do you go from that?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Point well to go on to.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
Say, to go close to harassing somebody's home, No, I
don't believe any courses speaking enough for that. Maybe annoys
the one that way to work annoys them in the
officers in parliament, but no, not their home, especially if
they've got children or what. No, and involved in spring
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Web two demos would not dream of that. Thet us
your home. You've got a families here, yes, thank you. Children.
Children can't be blamed the dead or mum's job.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
If Winston wasn't so totally gutless, there would have been
no reason to protest outside his house. You reap the
seeds you grow. So no problem with the protests targeting
winning I'll tell you what they argue. You could whatever
you want to say about Winston Peters, and there's a
lot people can say both sides.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yep, but he's not gutless.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
No.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
If there's one person in New Zealand that is not gutless,
it's Winston Peters. Yeah, very nicely there. Yeah, absolutely, he's
proven that over a long time.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I think that's objectively provable. Yeah, that Winston Peter's is
not a gutless human being.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, right, taking your calls on this. So eight one
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number of calls ever
acceptable to protest outside a politician's private home.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, with this kind of craziness, says this text, we
risk people not putting up their hand to lead.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I mean, very good point. There has to be some line. Yeah,
nineteen to two.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons
news talks.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
They'd be very good afternoon to you. So we have
been talking about protests outside of Foreign Minister Winston Peters
Auckland's home, being in drums, waving Palestinian flans and demanding
action over New Zealander is involved in the Gaza Aid
flow Tiller noisy, emotional and highly visible. The police were
called noise control showed up. The names of the activists
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were written in chalk on the footpath. But Winston Peters
himself has called that particular style of protest disgraceful and
that private home should be off limits. Minister Winston Peters
is just standing by, so we will cross to him,
very very shortly, but a couple of teks before we
crossed to Winston Peters. In fact, we've got them on
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the line now. Minister, very good afternoon to you. Good afternoon,
thank you for joining us in. Minister, can you describe
the protest that occurred outside your house?
Speaker 15 (30:45):
Well, there's been a whole lot of them, but the
latest one turns up with usual noise last in the
whole street, waking everybody up in the neighborhood, and the
dolls and the cats and all the animals, and generally
breaking the law because we haven't noise abatement laws in
this country and they preesta all those are the.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Laws that we've got sufficient to stop this kind of behavior.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Do you support a new law that's been proposed by
justin Justice, Minister Paul Goldsmith.
Speaker 15 (31:14):
Well, I support the new law because there's some vagueness
about the application of the old law. And when you
insist that the noise abatement rules to be followed so
that blocks away they won't be able to hear this protest,
there have been some vagueness about how it applies, and
so clarity is the name of the game. Everyone is
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in total to their peace and their neighborhood, and if
you want to protest, it's praciss for protest, but it
isn't outside of people's homes. Sometimes those protests have happened
when they're not even home. It's only that neighborhood that's
taking the pain and bearing the bunt.
Speaker 8 (31:49):
Of it all.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
You, yourself, minister, have been you know, supportive of the
idea of protesting for a long time in your career
for various different issues. What's the egregious part of being
outside apologists private home? Is it the fact that sometimes
children and other family members are targeted with these actions.
Speaker 15 (32:08):
Some anophol reasons. This is, first of all, not a
public place in this context. One of the marvelous things
about our law coming down through the sentries is the
right to peaceful occupation of your home, and someone breaking
the laws with the loudspeakers or three loudspigures outside the
front door is not abiding by the law. My most
important point is the can'tst places where you can protest,
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but to think you're going to shout outside, for example,
as they did the other night about the three people
on the flotilla shouting out bringing them home, When we
first of all told him not to come, not to
go further. We told them not to go because it
ought to be rested last time. And the second thing,
we knew that we had foreign affairs in Anchor and
around the world stepping in to try and help them
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back and they'll be coming home. So they were shouting
out a futile message. WI has already been dealt with, yes,
by Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
So would you be able to put up the noise
more if the message was less futile in your opinion, Minister, No.
Speaker 15 (33:09):
Because the neighborhood has no responsibility or obligation to put
up with people preaching the law in that way.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Now, Minister, you've been around for a while, obviously, do
you think things have changed? Is this more prevalent then
than it has been in the past, this kind of behavior.
Speaker 15 (33:30):
Well, it has changed dramatically because you've got these people
virtue signaling and they don't give a darn about other
people's rights. Now, you know, there's a famous speech bad
by any human politician, that says you're right in one
edge from men of my nose. It's a long long
time ago when you said that, but it is correct
when you're going to a protest you've got to write
to and that is a central part of democracy. But
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there are rules and obligations you've got to follow. You can't,
for example, block roads, stop traffic, particularly when someone may
be on an emergency rushing off to hospital to save
someone's life. That is unacceptable and that's what my point is.
There's going to be rules.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
So where do you support protests to take place? I mean,
we had protests in front of Parliament that were the
famous Parliament protests that ended in quite dramatic fashion. Is
Parliament the place to protest? Is it public squares? Where
do you support protests?
Speaker 15 (34:27):
But it would have never been in a dramatic fashion
had not every parliamentarian signed a fact whether then Prime
Minister not to talk to them. This is unbelievable that
you'd have no one in Parliament bent appear to go
down and talk to them and hear them out. They
would have gone home. We deteriorated rapidly after that.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
That's my point, Minister, isn't a part of this when
you've got actions like these protests undertook and we've had
a lot of people come through over the last forty
five minutes saying it goes too far protesting outside a
private person's residence, and then you mentioned blocking the roads
and the Auckland Harbor Bridge for example. At the end
of the day, this whole message that the protesters are
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trying to get through, isn't it a bit of an
own goal because most fear minded New Zealanders can see
it goes too far or the interrupt lives of people
that have nothing to do with that, so their causes
weakened anyway.
Speaker 15 (35:19):
Well, what you're really saying is they lose any moral
high ground they're claiming, and there's no morality in what
they're claiming in the first place, so they don't ever
care about moral high ground. They've come to the view
that no matter what the population thinks, no matter what
the process thinks, no matter what Parliament thinks, they in
a democracy are entitled to have their voice, whether it
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be one tenth of the rest of the nation's voice
heard above all others. This is a type of fascism,
as a type of Marxism, it's a type of pictorial
behavior which we don't accept.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Now, finally, Minister, these three New Zealanders that have been
detained that were on the flotilla is there any reason
for friends and family to be concerned for their safety.
Speaker 15 (36:08):
No, because we've gone to a lot of bubble we
always do that. They're we're not in any way endangered.
This was a futile journey where people were saying they're
taking aid when their aid had no chance of getting
in there. The Italian leader said, look, we've got a
military vote, give us the aid and will to make
sure it lands at the right place and it gets
to the Gazan people. But they weren't interested in getting
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to the people in Gaza. They were interested in virtue
sitting the formative politics and trying to make a point
at the enormous cost of the victims in Gaza and
at the enormous cost of media space on real issues
in our country.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for meta.
Speaker 15 (36:50):
Want to say, how would you guys see how they
go outside your front door? Nown plus at your show
so you can't speak to the country.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
We did talk about that, Minister, and I think Mat
and myself both agreed that that's probably too far for
they want to come outside the studio more than welcome,
But outside of my private home, no, I wouldn't like it.
But there's a lot of protections.
Speaker 15 (37:06):
Here your studio. You're an essential part of the nvacy.
It's called a four state. Yeah, and then now making
sure that you can't operate.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Well, there's been a bit of that protesting out the front,
he has. Yeah, it's been a bit, but we're on
the we're.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
On the first floor and we're protected by the mic
costing protocols where there's a lot of a lot of
doors to swipe through. But yes, some people can protest,
as I say on nine two nine two is the
text numbered or eight hundred and eighty three and eighty
those are perfect lines of protests that they can they
can use.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, and we get a lot of that. Minister, really
appreciate you coming on this afternoon. Really nice to chat.
Speaker 15 (37:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yes, that is Foreign Minister and the leader of the
New Zealand First Party of course Winston Peters. And thoughts
and prayers to his pets and neighbors. Yeah, absolutely, with
people yelling and screaming on a street at all ours
those poor dogs. It is eight minutes to two.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Taylor Adams
afternoons news Dog.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Said, be very good afternoon. It is five to to
so many texts coming through on nine two nine two, and.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
This sex says, I'm a security garden have never protested,
but I have guarded buildings during a protest. I don't
agree with blocking roads, but if you stick to the
side walks where our rights are strongest, and so long
as you don't break the law. They should be able
to protest outside someone's home in the same way they
can protest outside parliament. Unfortunately for the government officials it's
protected and should remain protected. Yeah, I mean there are
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a bunch of rules in place to you know already
in terms of the basics on this, you know, as
you can imagine all the ones you know, but this
would be a targeted, targeted bill to say, if you
if you're targeting an individual in their home, which is
could be gray area all around that, you know, what
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is a person's.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Home, when are you targeting them? All those those kind
of things. So there's a bit to work through on
that bill, but it is progressing through parliament. There's an
interesting text Giddy guys loved it when Boris Johnson took
out cups of tea to Brexit protesters outside his home address.
The UK in general don't agree with protests crossing the
line at someone's personal address. Winston Peters is a working
public servant. Protest outside his work, Parliament or in public
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spaces which don't disrupt society. Love your show from Rupert. Oh,
thank you, Rupert, Thank you for calling in.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, it's been and it's been a great discussion, but
I mean it must be a lot of you know,
at least people can rest assured on all sides of
this debate.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
That the.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Three members of the flotilla were never in any danger
at all, and we'll be home in due course.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Exactly, they're already starting to deport the various members of
that flow tellus. So I think in the next twenty
four to forty eight hours that will all be resolved.
Great discussion. Thank you very much for all your tech
and phone calls. Coming up After two o'clock, a shocking
report reveals the number of Kei We's losing limbs record rates,
one and eighty one cases excuse me last year. That's
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a fifty five percent increase. So if you have faced
a situation where you've had to lose a limb. We're
really keen to have a chat with you on oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten, eighty nine two the text number,
new Sport and weather coming up. Stay right here talking with.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
You all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons
news talk Zivy.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the program.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Now, Tyler, you know and listeners, you know that I
don't like reading out the south sourcing texts, the super
positive ones. I prefer to read out the ones that
refer to us as muppets.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
You do you love those ones? I really like the
positive ones. Just a fyi. So if you want to
see through the positive ones, I like them.
Speaker 16 (40:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
So if you want to send positive ones, so I
like somebody. I like the other ones, but well I
don't like that way. I just find them amusing. What
I love. All of it gains a fuel. Bring everything
in nine two, eight hundred and eighty ten to eighty yep.
Lines are open. We'll take it all.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
But I will read this one out from Kevin because
I found this quite touching and it made my day.
From Kevin, Hey, guys, totally off topic, but I just
got back from working three weeks and nausey and almost
three things.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
My fiance, my dog, and you guys. Great to be
able to tune back in it. Oh what a good man, Kiven?
Is you get that's type the list? Yeah, fiance, dog,
and then us? Yeah, so what do we have to
do to get above the dog and fiance? They didn't.
That wasn't a one, two, three?
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (41:17):
It wasn't. That wasn't the podium. It kind of felt
like it, though, didn't they They did? Yeah, so we're
we're third at the moment. Yeah, So Kevin, what do
we need to do to get second place?
Speaker 4 (41:24):
At least?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
You know, dogs are the best of us, But I
reckon we could do something.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
What can we do for you that your partner does
that we're not doing? That's a that's a that's shaky ground.
You're on there, tilant.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Maybe we're thirty. Actually, now that you mention it, right,
let's get into this one. This is going to be
a good discussion. So it was quite a shocking. New
report is just being released today and it does reveal
that Kiwis are losing limbs at record rates. There were
oney one and eighty one cases of people needing to
have a limb removed. That's a fifty five percent increase
from a decade ago. Not surprisingly, a lot of these
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cases are due to diabetes complications. With the numbers rising,
and you can imagine, the human toll of losing a
limb is absolutely immense. So that's what we want to
have a chat about. If you've had a family member
who's experienced limb loss unexpectedly, how did it change your life?
In their life?
Speaker 2 (42:14):
That's a huge number, isn't it? One one hundred and
eighty one limbs.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
In a year? Quick question? Yeah, I probably should know this,
but it's just sprung to mind. Are all those limbs on?
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Is that one one hundred and eighty one people or
one one hundred and one hundred, one hundred, one hundred
and eighty one limbs?
Speaker 3 (42:34):
If you know what I'm saying, That is a good question.
And I don't know if the story specifies. Maybe it
is because of one person sadly has to have a
couple of limbs removed. I imagine that that gets put
into the old the old numbers, Well, you can lose
up to four yeah, yeah, very true. Yeah, O eight
one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two, nine to two, no doubt about it. If
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you're ever faced with that situation where you're where you
are going to have a limb removed, that is an
absolute life changer, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, I mean that's a lot of lives effective, no
which way, no, no, no matter which way you look
at it.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
So what's it like losing a limb? How hard is it?
What's the tech like? These days?
Speaker 2 (43:12):
We'd love to talk to people in this situation or
people who know people in the situation. I know a
few people that are missing limbs. And I was running
a half marathon a few about about a month ago
in Topel, and I was running behind a guy that
was a missing limb right one of his he was
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had a prosthetic on a running shoe. Yeah, and what
does that say about me that I was behind him
in the race meeting you?
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yeah, he was beating me. I had two legs, he
had Onely what a legend that guy is and he
was he was. That is impressive. I mean I passed
him by the end of the race, but that's not
the point. Yeah, but he had you for a week
while there yeah, yeah, oh, eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty.
What is it like living with after you've had a
limb removed? Really, Keen David chat with you. Ninety two
nine and two is the text number. It is ten
past two.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
And these people that are texting and saying they're currently legalists,
that's not what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Now, come on, come on.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Your home of Afternoon tour Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Very good, afternoon, cheu. We are talking about a shocking
you report that shows the number of Kiwi's having to
have amputations losing limbs. It's at record rates one and
eighty one cases last year. That's a fifty five percent
increased from ten years ago. That's huge.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Yeah, that is absolutely huge. So what's it like to
lose a limb? One hundred and eighty, ten eighty. What's
the tech like these days? Hi, guys, I had SIPs
siptus sip that's zips us, siptus, zipsis sipsus.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Sorry, yeah, there is a typo there, but yeah, yeah,
I know, but I should I should say that, right,
You look at that can you look that up to me, Todd, Yep,
I certainly can sypsis.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
I think that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I'm
sure someone on nine two nine two Will will will
correct me there. I was about to lose my life.
Then my then managed to save me, but my arm
was about to be lost. I was so seriously ill.
Two years I'm still affected by it. They saved my arm,
although my hand doesn't work. It's affected my whole life.
(45:14):
I'm heavily scarred physically and mentally by it. But it
all gave me a huge wake up called how fragile
life is and how lucky we are to be alive
every day.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
I'm grateful for everything than God. Just all here. That
is an incredibly serious thing, SIPs us. I had sepsis
as a kid.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Blood poison Yeah, blood poisoning. You know, I've you know
a person that was in my family was affected by
blood poisoning and died.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Yeah, And it was it was so quick how it happened,
it was it was horrific.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Well I was two years old and they don't know
how I actually got it. But see that's scar there.
That was where they had to cut me open. And
drain my blood. I was in the hospital for about
four months. My poor mum and dad. Actually that was
where mum went gray. It was that'stressful, serious thing.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah yeah, I mean I find that so terrifying that
that that that that can happen, and when it does happen,
it's you know, it's like an infection that may be
you know, ninety nine times out of one hundred is fine,
and then you get blood poisoning and it goes That's
a part of medicine that I find absolutely terrifying. Dean,
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Welcome the show.
Speaker 6 (46:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, good.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (46:25):
Mine's not a blood poisoner. It was a motorbike accident
years and years ago. We're an old guy. I thought
it was a gap in the traffic and he decided
to try and take it and just ran me over.
But basically I put the bottom half of my right
legs spun around about a dozen times at the knee
joint and didn't break the bone, and I got to hospital.
I shed a ribs and a few other things, but
that was the main problem. Got to the hospital and
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this is what ninety ninety one, they didn't have an etheicist,
so it got down to seven minutes and by that
stage I would have probably bitten them. They so they
bypassed me and went straight my mum and said, fine
this and we'll just do it anyway. We'll do the operation.
I'm grateful they did. And yeah, and they just came
in and three of these big male nurses just held
me down and they did it. And I mean, your
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memory of pain is pretty good, your brain brilliant. I
don't remember it is that. I just remember it as
a whole lot of crap, really, you know. But that's
that that changed my life massively, like flight, Yeah, yeah,
knuckle down, gotta gotta be the job, and you've got
to missus and some kids. And there was an intervall rubbish.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Well you see, you see that as a that that
moment as a turning point in your in your life.
Speaker 6 (47:31):
Oh absolutely yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 8 (47:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (47:34):
Even Grandma said I would have been either dedle in
jail as a young flatherhead a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
It isn't it funny? These terrible things can happen to us.
But if you've got a good, good attitude like you
seem to have, Dean, you, you can see them as
a positive thing.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Down the track.
Speaker 6 (47:48):
Well you do that when you give up and you
can't really do that. You know, you can't give up
and do nothing, So to do nothing, it's just it's
not an option. So you do something.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
So what's what's the use of your leg?
Speaker 11 (47:59):
Like?
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Now?
Speaker 6 (48:01):
Oh, brilliant. I mean I'm fifty bloody, this is thirty
four years ago? Well how long it was ago? Not
exactly right, but they the sugeon said that brilliant. Like,
I'll give full credit to the whole broom and a
lot of them. They sort of sob back on. I
reckoned I'd never be able to run again. But I mean,
I'll take under the one hundred and fished and done
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sings risk on.
Speaker 17 (48:22):
My whole life.
Speaker 6 (48:23):
I'm up for a bug of knee now, but that's
because there's no cartilage left in there and they want
to do an ey replacement, which is I was. I'm concerned.
I've had a body good run with it.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Yeah, well, thank you for your cool dean, And then
I'm glad you're okay, and I'm glad that.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Everything turned out all right. Yeah, but without the anesthetic.
I've had that before, have you. Yeah, I had quite
a terrible injury, and you know, my bone popped out
my wrists and they they took me to the hospital
and had to reset well I still before they could
give me any drugs.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
It's quite it's quite an experience, I bet it is.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
It was actually been filmed because it was we were
making a stunt TV shirt at the time, so it's
actually on the show when they reset it. So I've
got I've got the mask on and they reset it
and it's quite an interesting scream I let out.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
So were you conscious? Did you pass out? You're conscious
through at the thing?
Speaker 4 (49:08):
Oh? Man, it was.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
It wasn't a particularly manly screen that came out of me.
I've got bet to be honest. Without any bank killers
that sort of injury.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Well, we use it as the warning on our TV show.
It's like, try these stunts a home. What's the worst
that could happen?
Speaker 3 (49:21):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you've been in a situation where you've almost
lost a limb or indeed lost at What was life
like after that?
Speaker 4 (49:29):
Really?
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Can you hear your stories? And the tech as well
when it comes to prosthetics, Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
Very good afternoon. We're talking about losing a limb. A
new report just out shows an alarming number of ki
we's facing that situation. A lot of it's down to
diabetes complications. But really, can you hear from you if
you've been in that situation or a family member? How
did you adapt after the fact. Nine two ninety two
is the text number? This isn't an interesting text. Hi, guys,
(50:06):
great show. My son just two and thirteen. He was
born with one and a half arms. It's been amazing
watching him grow up. Not too many things he can't do.
I challenge you to try and dress yourself or even
put your socks on with one arm. When you're born
that way, you know no different. His latest challenges he
wants to start going to the gym, so we'll have
to work out how he does that.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Cheers from James the Sex says, I've lived with diabetes
for almost fifty years. The tools we have nowadays can
assisipatients to take control over their blood sugars to assist.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
In better health outcomes, which is good. Losing a limb.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
You're losing the use of a limb through a stroke
or something as an effect, exactly the same as losing
it so you don't have it attached to your body. Yeah,
I mean that's the whole another side of it as
well asn't the strokes. There's accidents, diabetes and strokes.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
Yeah, because if you can't use it after a stroke,
then that is quite right. Effectively, it is losing a limb.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Graham, welcome to the show. Goody good, thank you. So
you this topic is very close to your heart.
Speaker 14 (51:11):
Well it is.
Speaker 17 (51:12):
Back in nineteen sixty three, I think I used to
deliver the Yorkland Far got hit by a car and
paralyzed my right arm and my shoulder.
Speaker 14 (51:26):
Then in.
Speaker 17 (51:28):
Nineteen sixty nine I was trying to get a motorbike
started and went down the hill I don't know if
you know where Collared Rifles is yep, in Auckland and
went over the bank and paralyzed my other arm.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
Oh, my man.
Speaker 8 (51:48):
And then.
Speaker 17 (51:51):
Five years later, well in that time I had the
left arm. I had to had wearing a sling, which
became very annoying. One of the well, it's amusing to
me today. As I was living in my with my
mother own father, and I came home intoxicated, did a
direct bed and my bed caught fire. My arm was
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my paralyzed arm was across my shoulder, across my waist,
and I woke up through the blankets outside, went back
to bed, and in the morning I used to wear
my watch on my left hand that was paralyzed, and
(52:33):
I woke up in the face and my watch was melted.
So that's how much heat was there.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
Oh my god, and so wow that I got an am.
Speaker 17 (52:43):
The limb movement came back on my left arm and
I I was wearing it in a swing all the time.
Just annoyed me. So I decided to get it amputated.
Those days there wasn't acc or anything. So but the
worst thing was they sent me to a place called
the Sheltered Workshops and Parnel and I went in there
(53:05):
and here were people putting pegs in the plastic bags
and rubber beans. I was a hang on them. And
I ain't lost my brain. I've only lost my arm.
So I've got out of there as quick as possible
and just pers to be head like and carried on.
Speaker 3 (53:20):
So what's your current situation, Graham?
Speaker 17 (53:23):
Well, I'm still the right arm that is still paralyzed
on the shoulders, so I can't lift that arm up,
and the other left arm is amputated below the elbow.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
So how does how does?
Speaker 4 (53:37):
How do you you know?
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Is there is there other tech that's become available over
those years to make it easier.
Speaker 17 (53:45):
I had a Processis arm, but that's hanging in my
garage now. It's no good to me at all because
you don't realize how much movement is actually from your shoulders, right. Yeah,
so I can't lift you know, whether process is. All
I could do was waggle it up and down from mailboy.
I can't lift it up for anything, So I was
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now used to me.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
You have you looked further into the new tech ram?
You know, I generally don't know what's available to people
out there in New Zealand, but you see the videos
of some pretty high tech stuff coming to the fall
when it comes to prosthetics.
Speaker 17 (54:21):
Yeah, well, I'm you know, I'm pretty old now, I'm
seventy four, so it doesn't really concern me anymore.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
How do you do do you know?
Speaker 2 (54:30):
I mean trying to work out how to say this.
But how do you how do you do things? And
talk us through how you operate with this situation you're in.
Speaker 17 (54:41):
Well, I just made a guarther. You know things I've
done well, I think back and I think, well, how
did I do them? But I did them? But tell
you what, a pair of ice scripts come with an
andy and another arm, the whole things during up nuts
and bolts, and you just get over it. And then
(55:04):
well the odor and that's a prick of a thing
to put on. But I mean as I've got well,
I use the odor and stick. But what I've done
has gone a bit of got a bit of clear
tubing on it and stuck it on the end so
I can use my one arm to get an undermar.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
What about driving, Graham, how does driving work for you?
Speaker 4 (55:28):
Oh?
Speaker 17 (55:28):
Well, I drive an automatic car. But that's the stupid
part about it. When I was on Envile's benefit, they
used to send me a request.
Speaker 4 (55:38):
To see if I.
Speaker 17 (55:41):
Whether I'd improved over the years. I said, the only
thing I've done is I've got older, and them's still
the same same as it was. But you know, unless
you did what they said, they just stopped your benefit.
So the police, I don't need to wear some seat belt,
but the police tell I've got a thing from adopted,
(56:02):
So I don't think we need to wear a seat belt,
but they say that I need to get that reviewed
every year. Yeah, well, you know, come on, it's my
mom's not there. It's pretty obvious. But that's the way
the law goes.
Speaker 4 (56:17):
Just stupid to me.
Speaker 3 (56:18):
But how have you dealt with the whole situation?
Speaker 2 (56:21):
I mean, it's been a number of years since the sixties,
obviously you've been going through this, But how have you
dealt with it emotionally? I can imagine there'd be there,
you know, a lot of frustrations as well as.
Speaker 17 (56:35):
I get annoyed with it. You know, when I think, Craik,
I've had an arm, I'd be.
Speaker 4 (56:39):
Able to do that.
Speaker 17 (56:41):
As I'm older. That's been the difficulty.
Speaker 6 (56:44):
I just can't my arm.
Speaker 17 (56:46):
We're a right arm, you know. I've been doing it's
fifty sixty ideas. I've been trying. You know, I've got
to throw it up in the air to get at anything.
And I think it's slowly wearing out. But because it's
just getting more and more difficult to do anything with it,
and which is unfortunate. But you know, I've just worked
my life through it and I've had well, i've well
(57:09):
I'm retired now, but I work most in my life.
I was fortunate my father had a business and he
took me on there and I worked there, and then
I've worked at the airport driving cars, and yeah, just
just set to learn to live with it.
Speaker 4 (57:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:27):
Yeah, I mean you've adapted incredibly grammed as you say,
I mean, what option did you have right aside from
those frustrations which you clearly faced. Was there that mentality
that you've kind of got no choice, You've got to
try and make it work.
Speaker 8 (57:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 18 (57:40):
The thing was, you know, I go for a job.
Speaker 17 (57:44):
I never told them that my right arm was not working,
but then they said I only had one arm, and
you know the number of rejects I got, you know,
I got pretty frustrating. And the people that did take
me on, while I was glad that I did have
a job, you know, they probably paid me bugger all,
but I still worked.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Good on your Graham, Thank you so much for calling.
Sounded like a very pragmatic person and all the best
to you.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
Yeah, incredible story. I wait under a eighty ten eighty.
Have you or someone close to you ever faced the
reality of losing a limb? What led to it and
how did you change your life?
Speaker 2 (58:18):
Gratitude is a year very important thing in life. So
if you're complaining about something small and then you're looking
down and you've got two arms that work, then maybe
stop complaining.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
Nicely said twenty nine past two.
Speaker 14 (58:31):
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(58:52):
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(59:13):
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Speaker 3 (59:40):
Thank you very much, ray Lean and we have been
discussing losing a limb. New report reveals that New Zealanders
are losing limbs at record rates. It's a fifty five
percent increase from a decade ago. Last year it was
one thy one hundred and eighty one cases of people
losing limbs and most of them never see it coming.
Diabetes complication is a big part of that. But can
you hear from you if you or a family member
(01:00:02):
have ever experienced limb loss, how did it change your life?
How did you adapt?
Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
High time I was working under a car when the
fronts of spens and collapsed on my index finger. I
was stuck there for an hour before my neighbor came
home and heard me calling for help. He jacked the
car up to free my hand, but the end of
my finger was missing. I was just about to try
and cut my finger off when with my car keys,
she's in Poh, that's pretty hardcore.
Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
My uncle's got like a missing finger. And he always
told us when we were kids that a pig bitted off,
and I thought he was joking. And then I read
his book and it was like he was play legit.
Yeah he was cutting and a pig but off. I
just thought it was a silly thing. He said, it's
a great story. I pig bited off. Actually a pig
did by it. Oh eight hundred and ten eighties in
Nuber to call Roger, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 19 (01:00:50):
Hi there, Yeah, I'm interesting about the moving fingers on
from the West Coast. And there was a lot of
blokes that I went scold with to the oas said,
missing fingers, sums and even hands from the sawmills and
the and the mindset. But I'm I'm eighty one years
old now and I've got a brother who I've only
even known with the missing leg. He's the oldest amputee
(01:01:13):
in the country now, he's eighty six years old and
he lost his lover right leg when he was five.
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Right, how did he how did he lose his leg?
If you don't mind me asking, Roger, you're not.
Speaker 19 (01:01:25):
Meant to play on the railway line.
Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
Oh wow.
Speaker 19 (01:01:28):
So shunting station. Shunting station right near home. And he
got caught there, which was quite an event at the time.
And there's a lady used to live next door who
had her husband was a saw bu which she knew
all the things to do. So they bundled him up
and got him, took the sixteen miles to the hospital,
but they got into the hospital and he's been without
(01:01:49):
a leg ever since then. He had a peg all
the way through his school days and then when he
was about twenty he got a proper prosthetic leg with
a foot on it. And he never ever told any
potential employees that he was an deputee and they only
found out later on and they were offer him things
like car parks with two down. He never ever had
(01:02:10):
an ability sticker for his car. He worked and can't
assembly atuit of major plants in New Zealand, and then
he retired to Nelson and he's still living at Nelson,
only just recently he lost his driver's license because of
his eyesight, but uptill then he was still driving and
now he gets around on a mobility scooter and he
has still never applied for or gone for any of
(01:02:32):
the ability allowances through having no leg. He just figured
that he didn't have a leg and that was tough
luck to get on with it.
Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Wow, that's that's inspirational stuff there there, Roger.
Speaker 8 (01:02:43):
I think it was.
Speaker 19 (01:02:45):
I find him very inspirational. Yeah, I do, I really do.
Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Was there anything?
Speaker 19 (01:02:49):
He's an outstanding.
Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Absolutely, I mean to push through that and adapt to that.
I mean, was there frustration from him sometimes or you
never really witnessed that.
Speaker 19 (01:02:57):
He just yeah, yeah, there was at times. One of
the fundersides was that in there one of the cupboards
in the house there was a bundle of ripe shoes
because when you brought a parish, he only ever needed one,
and then you're growing up you change shoes quite often,
and so all you ever had was there was a
peg on his right hand side, and so we had
(01:03:17):
all these shoes that were there. But at primary school
he was allowed to hop four races, which he's gotten
faster than trying to run with both legs, with his
with his peg because he's got his knee and with
his peg he could smack us football like nobody else could.
It was like smacking that was a baseball. And as
he was growing, Dad would cut pieces of car tire
(01:03:40):
and put them underneath his peg to kick the lenks
about the same as his growing leg. Right. It was
a really really hard stuff because he'd have to go
to the hospital every now and then. We're on the
coast and he'd come over to christ Church and then
they'd have to go and operate and cut they've shortened
the bone because the bone would grow the other through
the skin and as he was doing through his normal growth,
(01:04:00):
so they have to go and cut pieces off his
bone and they're put him back together again. And he
just went through all of that there and this is
the most place break you didn't meet.
Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Yeah, Now, how was he treated at school?
Speaker 8 (01:04:15):
You know?
Speaker 19 (01:04:17):
It was a bit of a hero, but of the
hero yeah, yeah, yeah he was. And but he was
a very very good student and he could part absolutely everything.
He never went to the sideline. If it was swimming,
he went swimming. If it was athletics, and athletics he
just spent all the ways through with absolutely everything. He
never he never, he never saw losing the limp as
any reason at all to disqualify himself from anything at all.
Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
One an incredible human everything.
Speaker 19 (01:04:42):
Yeah, yeah, what a.
Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Great man your brother is, Roger.
Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
There's an awesome story six now.
Speaker 19 (01:04:48):
Yeah, he's only six now and and and he meets
with another bunch of emputees up and Nelson and they
call it the one Legan Club, even that it's not
just one league, but they have these great social times together.
But yeah, yes, he's just so, he's never he's never
played off in any way, shape or form. He just
embraced his life every day as it comes to him.
Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Now that's the Yeah, don't take this the wrong way,
because I mean this is nothing but nothing but a compliment.
But he reminds me of a dog when it loses
its a leg and just gets on with it and
doesn't dwell on the past. And when you see a
dog running around with the other dogs and it's only
got three legs and it doesn't yeh. I find that
inspirational as a human, you know, looking forward instead of back.
Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Their mentality hasn't changed.
Speaker 19 (01:05:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been like at always like
as much to say.
Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
And so when he when he got when he got
the new Prospectic prosthetic at the age of twenty, was
he excited by that? Did that change anything? Or is
it just the ability to hide it?
Speaker 19 (01:05:44):
I suppose now where it did trains things was you
could look look at him as long crowds on and
you had two feet right, And that was the biggest, biggest,
single thing, because his walking was quite good, a little
bit of a throw on one side. And as prosthetics
got better, they're going to more from the nineteen seventies
nineteen eighties on. They're much better finished than things like that.
(01:06:07):
So it didn't even wear sandals with socks, and that
was not fesgetable.
Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
But yeah, yeah, and it might be at the moment
Roger might be coming there.
Speaker 19 (01:06:18):
But what is then, as probably from about probably from
about nineteen seventy seventy two hosts, he took to wearing
shorts because he founded hot from Nelson, so he wears
shorts and he was renowned up there as the one
legged guy. Or wasn't he shorts with his red City
of Baker truck And that was.
Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
And what kind of did you.
Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
I'm not I'm not sure if I missed this, Roger.
But what kind of work has he he been in
across his life?
Speaker 19 (01:06:42):
Car assembly? Yeah, he was in Kara written on written
on the assembly lines, and then he was into stock control,
and then he moved to the Nelson and he was
with char assembled there again. And then when they finished
up being Honda closed plant. But so that was that
was his whole life was in car assembly.
Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Yeah, and is he did he did he have a partner,
wife and kids and such?
Speaker 19 (01:07:04):
Oh yeah, yeah, he lost his wife about four years ago,
so he's still it's still lives alone in the same
house that he had in nineteen seventy one up at Nelson,
still lives in the same house. Yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
What an incredible Yeah, what an incredible brother you've got, Roger.
Speaker 19 (01:07:19):
Yeah he is, he is, Yeah, he is is the
coolest dude on earth.
Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Well, well, next time you talk to him, can you
extend our admiration for him?
Speaker 19 (01:07:28):
I will, I will, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Yeah, Roger, thank you very much. What a great call.
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty love to hear
from you. If you've got a family member who lost
a limb? Will you yourself? How did you cope emotionally
and practically with that sudden limb loss?
Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
It says, hey, team, my dad recently lost his finger
using a band saw without the guard the kicker. He
was the health and safety manager for a landscaping company
at the time.
Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Yeah, far round, that would have hurt. Oh eight one
hundred eighty ten eighties. And a number to call. It's
nineteen to three.
Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.
Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Say'd be very good afternoon to you. It is sixteen
to three. So have you or a family member experienced
limb loss unexpectedly? How did it change your life?
Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
In nineteen eighty eight, was sitting on a bus near
tu Dongy says this text that we were on school camp.
As we drove along, a motorcyclist driving the opposite direction
drove straight into a deep ravine bordering the road. We
stopped and the teacher went to his aid. Mister Jorgenson
climbed into the ravine. I love that we've got the name,
and came back with a whole human leg under his arm.
(01:08:38):
I've often wondered how the poor man managed such a
horrific injury. Yeah, that would have been It's full noise.
Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
I mean for mister Jorgenson and the kids to just
bring back the limb. Yes, so we're in trouble here.
All this man's in trouble. On parents visiting day, there
would have been a lot of stories about that.
Speaker 17 (01:08:52):
I mentioned.
Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Yeah, what's happened so far? Mister Jorgenson came up from
the ravine with a whole human leg.
Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
It's a full noise story.
Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Phil, welcome to the show. You've had a partial limb replacement,
I believe, Yeah, my.
Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
Ring half of my right end league nearly three years.
Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Ago, right, and what happened?
Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
Phil? Diabetes? Not listening to a doctor, So.
Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
And so what's your current situation now? So you've had
a partial limb replacement? What does that exactly mean, Phil.
Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
I'll go a prosthetic leg. So basically they cut the
leg off about one hundred mills below my knee, and
then I was in a wheelchair for three months until
the swelling came down, and then they fit a prosthetic
leg and it's basically like two ice cream cones. Going together,
(01:09:46):
so you have to have a taper there, so it
kind of there's a suction fit. So yeah, friends and
family around you in that period of time when you
can't do a hell of a lot yourself type thing,
and the people where I was in net Auckland Hospital
at the vascular there, you can praise them enough for
(01:10:08):
the effort and then get sent to rehab and you
have to learn how to walk again basically, and you
think it's simple, but trying to walk and not have
any flecks in your ankle type thing and get your
balance back, it's a bit of a challenge.
Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
And how is your mobility now a few years on
from that film?
Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Yeah, yeah, it's okay. Walking big distances that you know,
I will either walk with a walking stick uneven ground
is a challenge for people like myself. You know, you
hit a pothole when you end up on the ground
type of thing, because you, like I say, you don't
realize how much flex in your ankle makes a difference
and it just kind of throws you off balance and.
Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Oh, sorry, now you continue film.
Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Sorry, and then they send you to a place called
the Artificial limp Center. There's one in mont and Auckland
here and once again, the people there they cannot do
enough for you. You know, it's you know, like you say,
it's a major part of your life type of thing,
a changing your life for other And when you're kind
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of down, when you've got people that support you like that,
you know, they come and visit you in the hospital
before you believe. And you know, like I say, the
people there, you just can't get enough help type thing.
They just go overboard type thing for you.
Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Not good on you, and good on them for helping out.
Now when you say that, you're you know, you weren't
listening to the warnings of your doctor.
Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Can you talk us through that?
Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
Yeah, Blood sugars. About five years ago, I lost my
big toe on that same foot and they amputated the
big toe, and that was because I had bad blood
flow through my leg and it was only forty percent
blood flow going down to my foot past my knee,
(01:12:10):
and that's where the ulcer started and turned to gangreen.
So I ended up in the hospital there. And then
three years later I was still going to diatists and
doctors and there was a crack on my heel and
he looked like it was healing. Up fine, and there's
like a hole that was maybe about ten millimeters round
(01:12:33):
on my heel and then tend to set the situs
and ended up in the hospital and they tried for
three weeks to kind of make it all better, and
unfortunately it was right over Christmas. I went to the
hospital on the eighth of December and was here over
Christmas and New Years.
Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
And have you been listening to your doctor since then?
I mean, is there any any any other dangers of
any other in the same sort of realm.
Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
Well, diabetes affects kind of legs and yet extremities like
your eyes and fixed your eyes in your things like that,
So you need kind of medicines type thing in any slight,
any slight injuries, you know, you go and see the
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doctors straight away, because you know, it happened so quickly.
And that's what I found, that happened so quickly. And
like like what you were saying before about the technology
game better and better, Well, the socket that goes over
my leg, that's actually three D printed. It's a plastic
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socket that goes over and it's three D printed. And
they said to me at the time, they said, you
can thank the American military for the amount of technology
that's come through and what do you mean They said, well,
there's that many Army and Air Force people that have
lost limbs there the military side of things have developed
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so much in the proceetic But you can understand when
they say it like that typaling.
Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Yeah, yeah, And so you know, what would you say
to people that have been getting these kind of messages
from the doctor that you need to make these changes
and stuff. So this can happen now that you're on
the other side of it as anyway you can get
that sort of message through to people how important it
is to make those changes that that medical professional medical
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professionals are asking you to make.
Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
Basically, if you want your mobility and you want to
have good health, yeah, just listen to your doctors. It
was quite funny. I'll tell your funny story. When I
was in the hospital and they went wheel meet around
in the wheelchair. I came past the nurses station and
there was a guy sitting there, he must have been
in his thirties, and they had about an eight year
old son sitting down beside them, topling. And the kid
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looks at me and says to me, mister, what happened
to your leg. And I had heard this on the
radio once before about someone else. I said it was
like this. I was little, I was eating too many
lollies and it rotted my leg. I never listened to
my doctors and mum, and it rotted my leg and
they had to cut it off. And the father's kind
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of sitting beside him on the floor and looks down
to him and says, I told you so.
Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
That's a great story, Phil. Thank you so much for
your call, Phil, and all the best. Yeah, thank you
so much for giving us a call. It is nine
minutes to three, But taking your calls a w one
hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you were a family
member lost to limb, what was it like to adapt
to that can?
Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
To hear you.
Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks.
Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
REBB News Talks.
Speaker 12 (01:15:50):
There b.
Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
It is six minutes to three, Carol, how are you
this afternoon?
Speaker 13 (01:15:56):
Yes, Carol, I've got lots of thoughts running through my head.
It's most interesting here about these wonderful people who have
coped so well with disabilities. Now I've actually had two
hips done. I've got my legs, but they're not what
they ought to be. I've got diabetes and recently I
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sadly was knocked and I've got concussion and a little
scrape on my leg turned into an ulcer. And you know,
it's twelve months I've had treated and it's only just
coming right. So that's one thing.
Speaker 14 (01:16:32):
But my.
Speaker 13 (01:16:35):
Late husband, he had part of his thumb cart and
the next little finger, well do you know he learned
how to do up shoelaces with us using the second
finger as it were as a thumb. And it's amazing
what these disabilities do. But I find now I've got
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several disabilities. Diabetes been one. And my dead dad was
down in Dneedin, troubled with heart and diabetes. Well they
were taking his leg and he died on the operating table.
Now I've got to say that actually was a blessing.
He never would have coped without that leg, so that
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was a blessing in disguise. Only had to be transported
back up to Willington for funeral on there. But I
look at people now and I can see them in
our ber heart. We have so many with limbs, walking sticks,
walking frame. I've got one given to me, and if
I have to walk a little distance, I take the
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frame because it keeps me balanced.
Speaker 8 (01:17:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Good for you, Carol. Well you've got to keep balance.
It's hugely important. Yeah, nicely said Carol. Thank you very
much for calling us.
Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Hey, guys, my dad lost both his legs after the
Second World War, one above and one below the knee.
He was in the navy on several different boats in
the Southern Ocean. He didn't he didn't let it stop him.
He dug out a swim pool and painted his house
up on the scaffolding, sitting on his bum. Lived till
his eighties.
Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Rayman, there you go on your great story. I mean,
what a father you've got there, Ray when or head
I should say?
Speaker 14 (01:18:13):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
And this one today, guys, Tony here, I have been
struggling with an amputated limb for a long time. But
you just adapt because what other choice do you have
a lot of us out there, Thank you very much.
And this Texas says that he has a third leg.
Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Right, Oh, that's interesting, but that is very interesting. Not
really what we're talking about there a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
They filed that one, but thank you very much. Nonetheless, right,
great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who called
antis coming up after three o'clock meetings impressive impressive. Third
leg it is three minutes to three.
Speaker 12 (01:18:49):
You sport a.
Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Weather fast approaching Stay right here, will be back very shortly.
Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Post your new home for instateful and entertaining Talk. It's
Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sebby.
Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Hello to you, Welcome back into the show. It's six
past three now, Tyler. For the longest time, I've been
going on to you privately and publicly about Kiwi fruit,
how good they are for you. Massive convert you are.
Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Yes, I have four Kiwi fruit today and I eat
them like an apple through the skin. Now yep, love
it And much to the chagrin of my lovely partner Tracy.
She she gets visibly disgusted the way I eat a
Kiwi fruit. Why, just because she thinks you the key
food is delicious and when you eat the skin as well,
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you are kind of destroying something that's a treat and
just turning it into a chore.
Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
I couldn't disagree more. Yeah, so you do you just yeah,
even with the even with the green, the fury ones
like the standard green Kiwi fruit. Got to go for
the green for the for the benefits that I'm talking
about here. But yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's that perfect
amount of sour and sweet.
Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
It's that whole experience. If I just get the flesh,
then it's too sweet for my liking. I need a
little bit of a tang. Yeah. Well, so what I
do is I bite through and then you know, I'll
eat the husk of it out like like golumn destroy
a fish, and then I'll suck on it and then
I'll to the skin afterwards, which might be waste. She's
just for long.
Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
But anyway, this has just come through. A study on
kiwi fruit has just come through. Yeah, there's just been
sent to me because people know how much I love them.
And look, if you eat the kiwi fruit and the skin,
it helps you sleep better. It's a powerful anti inflammatory.
So this is what this skin included. Ye At boosts immunity.
It's one of the best immunity boosters you can get.
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It supports gutouth through the fiber. There's so much insoluble
fiber in there, and soluble fiber that's if you include
the skin as well, so grain if you're stuffing from constipation,
and it is the lowest blood pressure and heart risk.
Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
So there you go. If you're not eating the skin,
you're doing yourself a disservice. Yeah, So however you want
to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
You might want to eat the skin separately afterwards, or
just just man through it and just munch it like
an apple.
Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
There's not actually too many fruits that I wouldn't give
a crack for having a bite of the skin, to
be honest. Yeah, wonder if it ever comes out that
our oranges are better if you eat the skin? That
is hard yack? Have you ever tried to eat an
orange just as like it's an apple?
Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
And that's hard work? Is that is a lot of
hard work. It dates the enjoyment factor out. I don't
know if it's good for you. Must Yeah, give them
a taste of kiwi keep me fruit. I love a
fantastic with the skin on. Yeah, patriotic as well, eaty
keew fruit right onto this conversation. This is going to
be a great chat. So the Silver Ferns coaching saga,
It continues and continues to get more and more dramatic,
(01:21:38):
The latest is negotiations between Dame Nole and TADOR and
Netball New Zealand stretched into marathon sessions without any resolution
to get this. A recent meeting lasted nearly ten hours,
yet no consensus was reached. And the situation, of course,
raises a broader question. How often do we find ourselves
and meetings that go on too long without achieving anything meaningful?
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I mean that is shocking.
Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Everyone involved in a ten hour meeting like that should
be severely reprimanded by the organization, pay docked, maybe a
round of taserings.
Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
I don't know a ten if you can't.
Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
If you're there for ten hours and you don't sort
anything out, then are you capable of sorting anything out?
Surely you could, you know, within an hour, reach what
you disagree on and then go go away and come
back with your proposals.
Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
I mean, what do you going?
Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
I mean, I'd love to see the minutes of that
meeting if there were, and I'm sure if it's ten
hours or aren't minutes, and just see how much time
was spent going round and round in circles without anyone
being able to draw a line in the sand that
can't be crossed. To whatever they needed to be done.
But it got me thinking how much of our life
lives are wasted in meetings?
Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
A lot?
Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
Yeah, I have a lot if.
Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
In certain professions, certain professions need no meetings at all.
I think professions that people mainly do on their feet
have shorter meeting times than people who work behind desks
and sitting on cheers. Right, I think that's a good
rule of thumb. Actually, yeah, so how do you shorten them?
And one of them might be never having them on,
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no one being allowed to sit down.
Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
It's a good strategy, I think.
Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
I think potentially not being in meeting rooms is a
good start, yes, And and not sitting down?
Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
Is there someone you know?
Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Is there someone you know who just goes from meeting
to meeting all day and needs a meeting intervention as well?
Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Because are they actually getting anything done? I know a
bunch of people when you talk to them and go, oh,
how was your date? Just had meeting after meeting up to.
Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
The meeting busy? Because not stop meetings, because a meeting
should produce a to do list, right, So if you
go from that meeting to another meeting, then when are
you getting to the to do list. Yeah, are you
really busy if you're just jumping from meeting to meeting?
Love to eat your thoughts, though, I wait, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty. If you're in an industry that
is meeting crazy, what do you do to get out
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of them?
Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
What can you do to reduce the number of meetings?
Because I would say a ten hour meeting is clearly silly,
but you could argue that anything.
Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
More than a ten minute meeting is too long. Yeah,
we've got a meeting that we have each week with
the boss, and that is five to ten minutes. As
you say it, standing. Nobody takes a seat, They can
lean if they want to. It's over by the sink
out there, yep. And you know everyone's trying to leave
the whole time, so people are creeping towards the door.
Most of the things are decided looking over your shoulder
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as you're walking out. It's a perfect place because you
get other people walking past saying what are you guys
up to? And so we're just wrapping up.
Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Nothing can get too controversial because someone else will be
hither dupless. The ellen will be making a cup of
coffee right in the middle of the meeting and that's
where she goes on there.
Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Yeah, very true. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. How often have you set through
a meeting that felt endless? What impact that did that
have on your motivation? And are you in a place
that's just meeting crazy? You'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Yeah, what are your stratagems to deal with the meeting crisis?
The over meeting crisis in our country?
Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
It is twelve bas three news talks. It'd be very
good afternoon.
Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
Juu.
Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
So what do you think are the main reasons meetings
drag on without clear outcomes as a poor leadership, lack
of focus, or something else.
Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Yeah, and this person raises a really important point. Regilarly
and stupid long zoom meetings when the usual suspects find
their next rabbit hole, I scroll Facebook and do work
in other tabs easy. You know, zoom meetings have made
things so much worse because you know, at any given time,
a certain percentage of the people are totally zoned out
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and just have to get through the meeting. Yep, they're
not listening and someone's rabbiting on and they think that
they're having a productive meeting. But if everyone was around
the table or in the room talking, they'd see that
no one was zoning in at all. Very hard, because
everyone can fake on a zoom meeting. Oh, they're zoned
in and they're focused.
Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
You're just staring at a screen. But as this person
quite quite rightly pointed out, you might be looking at
Facebook or something else on your screen at the same time.
Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Mike says, nothing infuriates me more then turning up to
a meeting with some two hundred odd people on it
and the host turns up with no idea what they're doing,
how to play with a computer, or just how to
run their your own life, wasting hundreds of people's times.
That does my hidden Five minutes is what you have
If you haven't started delivering after five minutes, I am.
Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
Out good man, like, yeah, that's great. Oh, one hundred
and eighteen eighty is the number to call. What are
your top tips for getting out of meetings? Tony, Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 11 (01:26:28):
These meetings are not a problem at all. I'm well
into my seventies now. I've spent the pure parts of
my life either running meetings or being part of them
for various voluntary semi voluntary or professional organizations.
Speaker 8 (01:26:44):
There is a.
Speaker 11 (01:26:47):
Book, a short book, a pamphlet, and it's called Bendley's Rules.
Benley's Rules are the procedures of meetings. And it's at
least one hundred years.
Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Old, right, So was it called Bitley's Bentley's Law?
Speaker 11 (01:27:03):
Did you say Bentley's Rules are being conduct of meetings?
Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
And have you got it there in front of your toney?
Speaker 11 (01:27:13):
No, I have it in my possession somewhere. If you
want it sometimes fo or send a copy. And there
is also a shortened version and that again probably goes
back to the days of good old trade unions, and
it's produced by the Workers' Educational Association w e A.
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And again simple rules for running meetings. And the simple
rules are A, you have an agenda. B you have
minutes of the meeting, and see the minutes form the
basis of the next meeting should there be in need
of one, in other words, and the first item on
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the should be minutes of last meeting, which you then
discussed in confirm or whatever. You need to have a
competent chairman who understands those rules, and the secretary, yeah
doesn't even the secretary doesn't even to know, need to
know what the meeting is about.
Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
So what does the secretary do? The secretary is just
needed to take minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Basically, Yes, So basically what you're saying is that you
should you have it should have a purpose for the meeting,
and then you should have a you should have I
guess plans sit forth for things to do that come
out of the meeting, and then you should have a
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way to check that those things have been done or done.
Speaker 11 (01:28:47):
The thing he talks about what it's all about is
the agenda, and the agenda should be said to everyone
who's attending the meeting, preferably a day or two in advanced,
or a week in advance if necessary. And we are
having a meeting on the date, at the place and
the time you're invited to for example, or you were
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instructed to attend, as the case may be. The agenda
of the meeting is this is what we are going
to discuss, and you discuss nothing else except what on
the agenda, except the last sit among the agendas, any
other business.
Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
So have you been in these meetings before, Tony, we
have had to call out something that wasn't on the agenda.
You have to stop the meeting to say, hang on
a minute, it's not on the agenda. We're not dwelving
into this in this meeting.
Speaker 11 (01:29:37):
Yes, and you can insist that it's not discussed in fact,
and unless the meeting agrees that it can go under
any other business. You were there to discuss the items
on the agenda, nothing more, nothing less.
Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
So how much time would you allow for Tony? How
much time would you allow for small talk?
Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
How was your weekends? Et cetera.
Speaker 11 (01:30:03):
Oh, that's the just before the meeting starts.
Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Right right right, I say, we say, that's a very
good point. So if you want to have a chat
about the weekend, then you arrive ten minutes before the meeting.
But as soon as it hits say the meetings at
nine am. Soon as it hits nine am, then that
is the subject of the meeting. A lot of people
are texting through Tony saying the duration of a meeting
is a problem. That you know, people either book them
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for half an hour or one hour, when surely some
meetings are ten minutes, some meetings twenty minutes.
Speaker 11 (01:30:34):
You know how long the meetings? The chairman woman person
should know how long that meeting should take. When you're
starting something new, you probably have to guess it a bit.
But have you been running going to the meetings long?
The organization's been going for so long you would just say, well,
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normally we take an hour from beginning to end.
Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
I mean it makes sense, Tony. I don't like the
idea of any other business though. That just opens up
to me anybody who's got something that they want to
have a chat about, I'd take that part out of
the meeting. So then you finished, there's no other business
for this meeting?
Speaker 6 (01:31:15):
Well, yes, it just depends.
Speaker 11 (01:31:17):
You see, it's at the end and so it's the
last item. So if you say there's any other business
and it's five to ten for an hour's meeting that
started at nine, hurry up.
Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Yeah, I mean you've got to have a space for
any other business. What eff say said? Oh, by the way,
there's a hostile takeover of the company coming and we
need to we need to work on that.
Speaker 11 (01:31:40):
You have to trust Mark to put that one in
dinner if any other business suddenly, someone decides it's important,
we will carry this forward to the next meeting, or
we'll have another meeting, an extraordinary meeting instead of the
monthly meeting. We'll have on next week.
Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Thank you so much, Tony. I mean there's anything else
there of the meeting? Oh yeah, the whole officers on fire,
and I think we should make it a way to
the exit.
Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
And I just told you they met. We'll bring that
up negst meeting because we're out of time. There's a
good teake e. In relation to what Tony was saying,
I've got two theories as to meeting many of fellers,
which seems to have gotten worse over the course of
many years. One is the march of technology, including email
and calendars. Before you needed administrative assistance to set up
meetings via phone, and that took time. So except for weekly,
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regularly scheduled status meetings, you had far less meetings. Now
setting up a meeting all at your fingertips. Another I noticed,
at least in officers, is the domain issue. People are
very protective these days of their officers or cubicles of
workspaces and resent what they see as intrusions if you
so much as knock, interrupting whatever they were doing. Before
you walked around, dropped into chet, gathered folks around for
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a quick confab, great word all and formal. Now this
sort of thing is frowned upon.
Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Yeah, right, I think a lot of the problem is
as well as everyone's. It's so easy to organize a meeting,
so you'll just fire off an email saying here's a
meeting on this at this point, and then include everyone
and then they're sort of obliged to attend. I think
it used to be a higher threshold I am to
get a meeting going back in the day, because a
lot of people do a meeting because they can't work
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out a problem.
Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
So they're like, I can't work out how this. I
can't work out how to do this. It's too hard,
I'm too dumb. I'm an absolute idiot. What I'll do?
Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
But I can operate a calendar, So I'll send out
an inviting to a meeting, and then I'll try and
get other people to do my job for me exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
And when you do that on a meeting, you get
shamed if you haven't responded. Quite often, now you know,
I'll get asked to attend a meeting and would either
say your attendance is mandatory, But then it's got a
big list to say who said yes, who said no?
Who was still waiting to say anything? That's shaming.
Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
Yeah, well you should. You need to take the power
back and just respond No, this meeting looks stupid. Steve
from Wellington says government worker here, meetings after meetings, after
bloody meeting. Then at the end of the meeting nothing decided.
People say we will make a decision at the next
meeting drives me absolutely bloody insane.
Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
Yeah, spot on, that is so true.
Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
This is a good quote from Jason Freed, who the
great software CEO. Meetings should be like salt, a spice
sprinkled carefully to enhance a dish, not poured recklessly over
every forkful. Too much salt destroys the dish. Too many
meetings destroys morale and motivation.
Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
That is a beautiful quote and.
Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
This person's Thomas Sowle. You'll probably know him. People who
enjoy meetings should never be in charge of anything.
Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Nicely said Thomas.
Speaker 11 (01:34:31):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
How long is too long for a meeting? What's the
perfect length to get things done? And if you need to,
what are your tips for getting out of meetings? Love
to hear it from you.
Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
This wasn't our attention. Someone stepses through oh thanks for this.
I'll cancel my AA meeting tonight. Now go to the
AA meeting.
Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
That's important, that's always important. That's a good one. That
went twenty five past three.
Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
eighty on yous talk sav afternoon.
Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
Have we gone meeting crazy in this country? On the
back of a ten hour meeting between Dame Nole in
Tardo and Hippoorn News zeal And. I think we can
all agree ten hours for a meeting is crazy down.
Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
I think that's the biggest and most shocking part of
this whole scandal with the with the suspension of Dame.
Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
Noleane is the ten hour meeting. What do you talk about?
I think in hours that has shocked the nation. Yeah,
that's like a police interrogation.
Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
Yeah, I mean it was even brought up with the
Prime Minister this morning on the Breakfast Show. Yeah, the
length of that meeting. It's a national scandal that they
had a ten hour meeting on that. Yeah, John, You've
got some tips from a meeting from Australian retailer.
Speaker 16 (01:35:44):
Yes, there's a retail a supermarket retailer in Australia who
have well, I still believe they have it. They had
a forty five minute maxim meeting time that you could
have with them, and they even had in their meeting rooms.
They even had clocks in their in their room that
had a at the forty five minute mark had the
red zone, so you knew once you hit that, that
was that was it, that was your done in dusted.
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I've even been involved in a meeting where the customer
actually at that forty five minute mark got up and
walked out and we weren't even we hadn't even finished
what we were presenting doing. So we we sort of
learned from that pretty quickly that we've got to keep
the information that we're providing to that under forty five minutes,
because yeah, it was, it was, It was pretty crucial.
Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
I wonder how much time it's been wasted, John in
the world that people just go a meeting is an
hour long. So you book a meeting and book for
an hour, and you only have thirty seven and a
half minutes with the stuff to get through.
Speaker 16 (01:36:41):
Yeah, well, I think I think this particular retailer had
obviously had a huge number of meetings per day with
some of the key buyers that they just had to
do that to maintain some sanity and some control over
over what over what they were doing. In fact, I had,
in fact, I worked for a company once and this
is the most disaster we had. We had a meeting
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that discussed the number of meetings that.
Speaker 8 (01:37:05):
We're having.
Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
Meeting.
Speaker 16 (01:37:10):
I didn't go to that because I thought it was
an absolute wasteful Yeah, it was weird.
Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
Yeah, that is.
Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
That's a great strategy, though, John. I mean the countdown
of a meet and I like that. And then when
it gets to the red zone, whether you're got something
to say or not, we're done. It was forty five
minutes and you can walk out. Hi, guys.
Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
We used to have a meetings quarterly in Singapore. One year,
one of my colleagues decided to present the same presentation
and see how many times you get achieved it. He
mentioned it three times before anyone tapped him on the
shoulder by one of the mate's big bosses to suggest
he might want to update his presentation.
Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
That's how useful meetings are, it says a lot. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is number to call.
Have we gone meeting? Crazy in this country. Nine two
ninety two is the text number. I mean, it's a
big part of our productivity, right, We've got we've got
sharking productivity. And if you spend most of your day
going in and out of meetings and there's no nothing
productive being done.
Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Meetings now are just useless powerpoints that no one understands well.
I mean it's too much to say that there's no
worthwhile meeting. I mean there are some things that need,
you know, like say, for example, just to make up
an example, a kid's gone missing, you do need to
have a meeting to work out the grid pattern where
everyone's searching. But that's why I think. But meetings like
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that are generally done standing up, aren't they. Yeah, yeah,
So it's the difference between a useful meeting and a
non useful meeting, you know, the seating arrangement.
Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
Yeah, I love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We got
headlines with railing coming up. Then we're taking more of
your calls. It is twenty nine to four.
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Endzen Herald Premium. Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.
Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
Thank you very much, Raylane. We're talking about the length
of meetings in New Zealand. Are We're a bit meeting
crazy in this country. So many texts coming through on
nine to two nine two.
Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
This is the back of a ten hour meeting that
New Zealand Netball had with Dame Noel Lean around this
whole sort of suspension scandal. Very confusing situation that one
a ten hour meeting. This is an inquisition run by
the vicious and incompetence, says Alistair.
Speaker 3 (01:40:34):
Yeah, I mean ten hours is crazy town.
Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
I work for a government department and meetings are banal.
I'm utterly convinced the majority of self serving. To give
the people organizing it some self worth. A certain large
debt that loves kiwis is amongst the worst department. Sorry,
a certain large department that loves Kiwi's is amongst the worst.
And don't even mention others reviewing your work. Somebody saved
me and somebody save Matt from all those meetings.
Speaker 3 (01:40:59):
Nine nine two is the text lover this Texas.
Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Says I left a role where I was in twenty
eight hours of permanently scheduled corporate meetings every week where
specifics any leaders generally saw those as the main function
of their role. Often very little was achieved, and regularly
the previous minutes would take up the bulk of the dimes.
A total talk fast, very frustrating, trying to do a
great job getting your actual job.
Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
Done twenty eight hours a week. That is insane.
Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
Yeah, I mean I started a corporate job once, and
then as soon as I started, just all these meetings
started coming through, and then things were just backing up
what I actually needed to be done. And I figured
after about two months of this that I was being
filibusted so I wouldn't do what I needed to do.
Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
Highly likely might have any conspiracy theory, Matt, meetings and
time limits your thoughts?
Speaker 18 (01:41:50):
Yeah, did you hear me?
Speaker 4 (01:41:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
He in loud and clear, Matt, Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 18 (01:41:56):
It's really interesting topic.
Speaker 15 (01:41:58):
I just really want to share.
Speaker 18 (01:41:59):
I would say like between half an hour to one
hour is the time, you know, to discuss on the point,
and would be good if you just just present the
facts instead of just you know, reading a novel in
a meeting and just telling the stories there without.
Speaker 4 (01:42:14):
Facts and figures.
Speaker 18 (01:42:15):
And I'll tell you like a little I used to
work in a healthcare company before I'm still a healthcare
I used to work before in a big company, and
we used to have like a two hours meeting.
Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
Part day, a two hour meeting. What sorry, you just
cut out there, So.
Speaker 18 (01:42:30):
Two hours meeting part day.
Speaker 4 (01:42:33):
Yeah, and every day.
Speaker 18 (01:42:35):
I mean, and when you come to the next meeting
and you ask people that you know the things are done,
and you know the blank I mean, there's no comfortability,
accountability and you know, I mean, that's that's just wastage
of time.
Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
To totally, I would say, what are the day to
your motivation mat I.
Speaker 18 (01:42:55):
Mean, I would say, like just stick to the point.
The meeting should be unlative, like anywhere between half an
hour to one hour, and you know, took about the facts.
And as for the meeting notes, do what the senior
said to you or whatever your points are, I mean,
not to d should be there should be a productivity,
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you know, shouldn't be just a time list like one
hour two hour every day and you have to be
in a meeting if you don't need to meet, then
you don't need to be in the meeting.
Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
Yeah, yeah, well what was it?
Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
Elon Musk has this role with his meetings that if
if you suddenly noticed that it's no longer in your camp,
in your area, you just leave the meeting and with
that you don't have to say anything at all, because
you know, you have these meetings where it goes for
a while. Then you get to someone and they go, oh,
I've got nothing to report on that, or you know
anything from my ad?
Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
Anything, nothing right, And it's like, what are you doing
in the meeting? Get sat through forty five minutes of
listening to absolute nonsense just to say nothing for my ad?
Speaker 18 (01:43:57):
Yeah, And I mean I've seen and so many people
in a meeting they just sit blank, you even know nothing,
speak nothing, and sit for an hour and two Low
they're getting stayed for that man, Yeah, I didn't know
what's going on.
Speaker 3 (01:44:11):
But that's that's the danger, isn't it. Mat Is that,
as you said, if you've got a two hour meeting
each day and you get frustrated because you want to
you want things to happen and an action plan to
be put in place. But there'll be some of those
employees that look forward to that two hour meeting just
so they can sit back and just do some day dreaming.
And they know that their mental you know, workload during
that time is minimal exallically.
Speaker 18 (01:44:33):
I mean I would say out of that two hours,
my my, my, actual, you know, I would just take
a half an hour, notage. I just need a half
an hour just say things lesson to you know, to
do the action things dortage. I don't need to be
there for you.
Speaker 17 (01:44:48):
The rest of the time.
Speaker 10 (01:44:49):
No.
Speaker 18 (01:44:49):
On top that, you know, you just expect, like to
reach the APIs and you know, an extra lord. And
I mean I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (01:44:59):
In some company.
Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
Thank if you call mat yeah spot on. I mean,
if you're running a really solid.
Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
Agenda for a meeting and you're cheering the meeting, surely
it should be worked out so this meeting will be
twenty seven minutes, or this meeting will be forty three minutes,
so you know, you go, well, this topic will take
will allow four minutes for this one, this one's short,
or allowed two for that.
Speaker 3 (01:45:24):
Surely you could be more accurate in the meetingly, get
it down to precision.
Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
It's like you know in cricket where we celebrate getting
one hundred, but you know ninety nine is considered a failure.
Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
But it's just one run difference.
Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
And in the morning, if you could say that you're
going to get ninety nine batting today, you'd be very happy.
But yet we have these numbers in our head that
we're so we like even numbers, right, Yeah, Like this
meeting is an hour, this meeting is half an hour,
this meeting is two hours. The meeting should be twenty
three hours and fifteen seconds. My brother was a CEO.
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This is further to what I was saying before. My
brother was SEO of many, a large company in London.
Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
In New York. He would often run his meeting standing
up so they didn't drag. That's a great strategy. Can
you hear from you though, oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty, what is the best strategy from keeping meetings
too to a time limit? Love to hear from you.
Brad says, this uber driver is getting two stars. It's
not on the topic, but it is interesting. I wonder
what he's done. He kind of been they're bad. Two stars.
(01:46:24):
That's pretty low, but thanks for sharing bread. Yeah, chess
potentially not meant for us, but yeah, good the issues.
Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said.
Speaker 3 (01:46:37):
Be very good afternoon, jud Is sixteen to four. Do
we have a problem with too many meetings in this country?
Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
Simon? Your ex military had a meeting's work in the military. Well, yeah,
you're there, yeap, we can hear loud and clear, Simon.
Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 20 (01:46:56):
What I thought was interesting with this topic was I've
worked in the military, but I've also worked in corporate
in environments, and I've also worked in the construction industry.
And yeah, by far, out of all those three industries,
by far, the most efficient at meetings were believed or
not the Army, and the reason was because the army.
Speaker 4 (01:47:21):
Is task focused.
Speaker 17 (01:47:22):
You know, everything you do in the Army is.
Speaker 20 (01:47:24):
Driven towards achieving something, and if you're not achieving something.
Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Then you know, it's considered superfluous, which makes a lot
of sense. So what would an average meeting look like
in the military.
Speaker 20 (01:47:38):
Well, yeah, I mean there's two types of meetings in
the military. There's that your administrative meetings where you had
to you know, your day to day running of you know,
your administration, logistics and all that sort of thing, and
that was sort of your you know, your housekeeping. But
then you also had obviously the meetings that were sort
(01:47:59):
of we used to call them orderscript vo groups where
you know, if you were doing a military activity, that's
where the plan was explained, your mission, you were, did
your mission, given the chance to ask any relevant questions,
and in a way you went with that information. Now,
those were very very concise because the whoever was in
command of that was giving you specifics on exactly what
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you needed to do and if the only time you
questioned them was if you were unsure of what he
was asking you to do. Yeah, But the administrative side
was very much, you know, similar to a corporate you know,
the same sort of thing that you get in a
corporate environment. But people were as soon as they finished
what they needed to do or you had achieved what
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you needed to do, everyone was more focused on getting
back to their real job, you know, which was in
most cases commanding soldiers or training soldiers or whatever it was.
But the desire wasn't there to linger.
Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
Yeah, which makes sense in an outfit like the military.
I mean, maybe that's what's needed that we get military
personnel to go around corporate New Zealand and just say
this is how can you kind of run your meetings
from now on.
Speaker 20 (01:49:11):
I don't think that would go down very well. I
think there might be a few upset people if you did.
Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
That with their protocols around meetings under fire and emergency
situations that you yeah.
Speaker 20 (01:49:23):
Well, I mean that's exactly what you train for. And
that's exactly the reason why at an O group it's
so business like, because you know, in a lot of cases,
time is important, and the quicker you can get your
information across that everyone can confirm that they understand it,
and the quicker you can go off and do what
you need to do. And because that's, you know, how
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you train to do your job. I think that attitude,
you know, sort of ran over into the more administrative
side of things and people were more focused on doing
it rather than talking about it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
Yeah, I mean life and death kind of situations. Yeah,
you know, there's no time for just sort of trying
to set back and chew up some time in the day. Yeah,
sitting still doing nothing interesting, experiment to do to just
see how many meetings if you're invited to a lot
of meetings that you go to without ever saying anything.
Because if you go to a meeting and don't say anything,
(01:50:18):
and then you're invited to the next meeting, and then
the next meeting and the next meeting. I mean I
guess some people that doesn't quite make sense because some
people are there.
Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
To just be told stuff. Yeah, just to listen and
take on the information. But like this text here, get
a guys. Social service agencies are terrible, poorly run, lots
of touchy, fairly stuff and a round of what everyone
did at the weekend. Such a waste of time for bridget.
Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
This textas says, having worked in numerous workplaces, I generally
find right leaning teams are more focused and direct and
want to result from each meeting.
Speaker 8 (01:50:49):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
Left leaning staff will often suggest another meeting to make
a decision and not rush to answer. Take from that
what you will.
Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
Politics in the boardroom, well, this one is quite controversial.
Get a guys. The company I work for is one
hundred percent women employees and management, including me, and it
feels like nothing can get without another face to face meeting.
Everything needs to be talked out, which feels like a
massive waste of time when you just need someone to
take action. Was that from a female?
Speaker 4 (01:51:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
Right, So the implication there is that it's primarily females
that like, are we face to face one.
Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
Hundred and eighty ten eighty. Are you a female that
thinks females do too much talking in meetings and not
enough doing.
Speaker 3 (01:51:30):
Yeah, if you want to hit back at that, by
all means, give us a call.
Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
This texasays you're confusing a meeting with a discussion. Meetings
have an agenda, make decisions, a point task, and who's
responsible and when they'll have action completed. A good meeting
lasts no more than thirty minutes, absolutely not one second
over an hour. Discussions are a talk fest with no
real takeaways or responsibilities or actions.
Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
Succinctly said, keep those teas coming through on nine two
nine to two. Heymen.
Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
As a farmer, I couldn't understand how the corporate four
day work week could possibly possibly happen with productivity to
remain constant in some cases a parent improve after this
topic of meetings became very clear.
Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
Why, Yeah, farmers do not have time for multiple meetings. Yea, Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number, to
call love to hear your thoughts. It's eleven to four.
Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.
Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
They'd be news talks. There'd be eight to four, Terry,
how are you this afternoon?
Speaker 8 (01:52:34):
Oh?
Speaker 21 (01:52:34):
Very good, thank you. But all Harkers should all meet.
He should start with a Harker and the national anthem
sang in four different languages or three or four anyway.
You know you've got to take it all very seriously.
Speaker 3 (01:52:51):
Okay, very very successfully. Book He sports the long intro
to a meeting their Terry. Unless he was being facetious,
I think he might have been. Yeah, plenty of teacher
coming through on nine two ninety two.
Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
As a family helicopter business, we have to have meetings
mum and dad and kids. It's always turns into a
huge debate and a bit of yelling and we get
through it and still love each other. Rather not have them,
but part of caa very good family helicopter business. Hey guys,
I used to work for a Dutch company. They know
how to run a meeting. If it was scheduled to
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start at one pm. Everyone would be online and logged
in by twelve fifty five and never went past the
scheduled finished time, clear agenda and outcomes.
Speaker 4 (01:53:31):
Yeah like that.
Speaker 3 (01:53:32):
The Dutch they don't muck around.
Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
Says at the first AI meeting, this is good. At
the first AA meeting they said, don't hang around with alcoholics.
So I stopped going to AA meetings.
Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
Very good, So I get a Matt and Tyler the
last call from the Army. I work within the forces
and have come from a corporate background. I have noticed
that working with ranks, they all need to be told
what the job is and what needs to be done,
rather than asking for input. I suspect that's why their
meetings are so efficient.
Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
Yeah, but I mean shouldn't that be kind of the
way for a lot of meetings? I mean, are they
sort of getting together?
Speaker 3 (01:54:10):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (01:54:10):
But then again, if you're just getting orders in a corporation,
then what do you need to have a meeting?
Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
If it's just do this, do this, do this, do this? Yeah,
because it just an email.
Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
Just goes back to what everyone says that they're badly
run meetings if nothing happens on it, if you don't
go around and get people to put and put in
the area that they are expert on to help the
other people.
Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
Know where things are going. Then what's the point in it.
Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
Yeah, the trouble is that meetings get booked for an
hour in the public service, then everyone feels they just
need to use up that time.
Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
Yeah. I think that's rife in the public service, but
rife everywhere. Yeah, and this one, guys, I just lost
it here. It is work for Health New Zealand. At
least one meeting a week with one hundred and thirty
plus people for one hour. Best one. I've had three
hundred and forty seven people in a meeting. You were
just there to listen about how stuffed everything is. But
(01:55:00):
you are all great employees as well. Thank you very
much for that. I think it's a very good point
from Aaron. I have to read it out.
Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
I don't know what's worse having meetings about meeting or
talking about how many meetings we are having.
Speaker 3 (01:55:11):
It's a good point.
Speaker 4 (01:55:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
I've actually found talking about meetings has really stuck the
life out of me.
Speaker 3 (01:55:15):
So thank goodness that chat is over. Yeah, thank you
very much. No more meetings, reasoning to presenting so we
can put this meeting to bed. Yeah, no more meetings,
no more talking about meetings. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
Ah, thank you so much for us in the show.
We'll be back tomorrow afternoons. The Sir Paul Holmes Broadcaster
of the Year, Heather du Pas Allen is up next.
But right now, Tyler, why am I playing the song?
Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
Oh, Dear Leppard? Am I going to venture? Why I
think you're talking about this year? I am because we
had a great chat about people who have lost a
limb and then adapting to life without alarm. Have I
got this right? Because one of the drummers had lost
a lost a limb. One of the drummers, the drummer
Rick Allen. Yeah, he only had one arm. What a legend.
Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
Well he still only has one arm. Yeah, all right,
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