Full Show Podcast: 07 October 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 7th of October 2025 - Meta claims Instagram scrolling is not ‘intentionally addictive’ as MPs probe social media harm.  

Then, fences and hedges and neighbourhood disputes.

And to finish, our Afternoons duo got stuck into the issue of burnout at work.

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Full Show Podcast number two one six And as we say,
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But our great show today got through to all the
topics we did, and yeah it was good. Some good
tips on how to poison trees.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
A lot of good tips on how to poison trees,
so look out for that, and also some good shit
about social.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Media and burnout as were Yeah, you know, I really
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Speaker 3 (01:24):
Talk said be very good afternoons youer welcome into Tuesday show.
Really good to have your company is always. Thanks so
much for giving us a listen you matte Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
I was watching One News last night, Tyler and everyone
listening you're great New Zealanders across the country and I heard.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
This HOOKI man, welcome back Red meat processor Alliance groups
warning shareholders the cooperative risks financial collapse. Now just a warning.
This story includes footage of meat processing.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Wow, that's give a trigger warning. This this footage conveys
meat processing. Who the hell thought that New Zealanders were
so soft? Yeah, New Zealand, with this history of farming
in the agricultural sect are running the entire economy. I
thought that they needed to put a trigger warning on
about meat processing. Who orders something like that? Does mom

(02:17):
need to put a trigger warning on the kitchen when
she's carving a chicken? Does Dad need to put a
trigger warning on the barbecue when he's cooking lamb chops?
It's so dumb. If people don't like meat processing. Look, actually,
if people don't like meat processing, then why wouldn't they
want people to see it. Back in the day, the
band of Smith's had that song Meeter's Murder, and the
video was just meat processing, and the argument was I

(02:40):
think the singer of the band said, Morrissey said, you know,
if freezing works had windows even want to be a vegetarian.
That was his idea of it. But how soft. It's
actually just insulting that there's anyone that thinks New Zealanders
are so soft that they can't handle seeing meat processing.

(03:01):
I mean, how could you go through your life? I
mean you might see it and go, oh my god,
that's quite confronting. But do they really think that we're
going to live a life where we never see anything
that's confronting?

Speaker 3 (03:13):
God for bed, if you're onto a supermarket, I mean
the meat how triggering is.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
That they need to put that behind a curtain like
they used to put the dirty movies behind a curtain
in the in video stores. Yeah, the meat trigger warning.
I mean something like when someone says something like that,
do people sort of get around and agree with it?
Does no one put up their hand and go, hey,
we're going to lose a lot of credibility if we

(03:38):
do this. We're going to look I mean, it's the news,
for God's sake, shouldn't they have a trigger warning it
right at the start of the whole news because the
probably the probably the least concerning thing you're going to
see bulletin is a meat processing.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
That would make a lot more sense anyway, rife for parody,
It is.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Right for parody. Trigger warning to me? What is next?
Do we have any satirical outlets anymore? I mean hopefully
someone on social media something made fun of it. Yeah,
which what we're going to talk about coming up on the.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Show, Yeah, exactly, but that was fascinating to see last
night on the news. Right coming up on the show
after three o'clock, we want to talk about burnout. Experts
say it's about this time of the year that many
people are facing burnout with deadlines, expectations and life are
demands hitting a tipping point. But how do you actually
cope when your face burnout? And how do you know

(04:31):
that you are actually getting burnt out rather than just tired.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, well, we won't talk about it at length here,
but potentially is a gratitude problem if you've got a
job and it's putting food on the table and a
roof over your kids' heads. Then, has burnout even a thing? Yeah,
I mean our ancestors didn't have burnout when they were
out hunting gazelle.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
No, they did not know. Well, if they did, they
wouldn't eat on that stuff. That is after the ones.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
That did weren't our ancestors. They didn't reproduce.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yeah, that is after three o'clock, looking forward to that
after two o'clock. Fences and hedges, So a bit of
naghborly tension in the suburb of Mount Eden of an
apartment owner that wanted her heedge to grow up to
two point four meters of privacy. There was a better
argie bargie with her body corporate. She's taking it to
the district court now, arguing that it's her hedge, it's

(05:20):
her apartment and she should be able to grow at
how high she wants.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, I say, let the hedges grow. But if you're
if a branch from one of your trees starts extending
over my property, that is your right. Yeah chop it down. Yeah, absolutely, looking.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Forward to that after two o'clock. And right now, let's
have a chat about social media. So is your endless
Instagram scroll just a habit? Or is it by design? Mesa,
the parent company of Instagram. It's in front of a
sleek committee this week and it told MPs that their
app isn't intentionally addictive, but with features like infinite scroll,
targeted content and dopamine triggering algorithms, how much do you

(06:00):
actually buy what they say? Are these platforms built to
hook us in?

Speaker 6 (06:03):
Well?

Speaker 2 (06:03):
How could they stand there with a straight face and
say that they're not at ten trying to keep people
on their platform for the for the longest time, every
business is trying to extend their business, right, and their
business is having people on their platform as long as
they possibly can have people on their platform. So it's
designed to do that. Yeah, right, absolutely, And there's you know,

(06:24):
there's so many ways that they that they do it.
But I mean, I mean the bigger question is are
you addicted? Because if it's not addictive, how come I'm addicted?
That's what I would say. Yeah, I mean, and it is.
It's a weakness, I know. And as I was saying
to you before, Tyler, I sat on the couch after
finishing the fantastic Mathew McConaughey movie The Lost Bus, and

(06:46):
I was quite stressed. Yeah, but I was also quite
tired because I've been quite busy lately. And then I
found myself after I'd done strands on the New York
Times Great Game, I was caught into flicking through Instagram
reels and an hour just disappeared. And I came out
of that just full of regret, and I went downstairs
and I said to Tracy, I just I was just

(07:08):
self hatred that I allowed an hour of my life
to be taken from me. Yeah, and once it drags
you in to say it's not addictive. The length, the
length of things, the infinite scrolling, all of it, come on,
all of it's designed to be there, and it is
all of our responsibility not become addicted to it. Yeah,
harder when you're a kid, but it's all our responsibility.

(07:29):
But come on, I mean, in an addiction. And someone
may push back on this, but I would say that
the definition of an addiction would be a compulsive behavior
that is repeated despite clear negative impacts on your life. Yeap, good, definitely.
So I knew when I went into scrolling that it
would have a negative impact of my life. Filmly full

(07:50):
of regret and waste an hour of quality time that
I could spend with my family, right, Yeah, so that's
spot on, but I still keep doing it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Well, here's what they actually said to get a lot
of this, I think. So this is from Garlic. She
works for Meta Asia Pacific. So she told the MP's
I think the suggestion that our services designed to be
intentionally addictive really misrepresents our intentions in the work that
we do. She said, Meta wanted users to have a
positive and intentional experience, and there were additional controls with

(08:19):
ten accounts that allowed parents to set daily limits. She
went on to say, obviously, algorithm content ranking is designed
to put the most relevant content up the top, so
you see the most interesting content first and then can
go and see other things. I mean that is a
bit of a weazel way to say that their algorithms
are designed to have the most addictive content relevant to

(08:40):
you as a user, put right up the top and
then hook you into one more of it.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Surely, it's like a chocolate manufacturer saying that we don't
make our chocolate delicious so people want to eat it.
I mean that is your entire business model is keeping
people on for a longer period of time, so you,
of course do things to make that happen. Yeah, absolutely,
And I mean you are absolutely pushing crap uphill if

(09:07):
you think, think if you want people to believe that
that social media is an addictive.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.
What do you say, though, is it as addictive fairs
as people make out? And where does that personal responsibility lie?
And if you've found yourself with a HEREV Instagram social
media addiction, how did you wean yourself off it?

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah? I mean they saw how addictive TikTok was. That's
why they started reels on Instagram. I mean that's why
they're doing it. Yeah, yeah, all right, eighty let's get
into yes, why are you addicted? And are you ashamed
or have you managed to kick it? Or do you
think this is that meta? Is absolutely being honest here
one hundred percent, and it's not. They're not trying to

(09:49):
make it addictive and they're not trying to addict you
to it and keep you on their phones. Yeah, get
on the phone. I eight hundred on their phone, sorry,
on their platform.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty's number to call it
is a quarter past one.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 4 (10:04):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
It'd be very good afternoons you It is eighteen pass
one so on the back of Catherine Webbs, she's a
national MP putting forward a member's bill to ban social
media for under sixteens. Meta, the parent company of Instagram,
has found itself at the Select Committee where they told
MPs their app isn't intentionally addictive. So love to hear
your thoughts on this. One oh, eight hundred and eighty

(10:28):
ten eighty. Have you found yourself being heavily addicted? How
did you get off? And how do your kids deal
with the likes of Instagram and TikTok. If it's not addictive,
then why are And it's not just kids. I'm included
in this, spending hours and hours and hours each day
knee deep in these things.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, do you blame this is an interesting topic? You
know a question, I guess eight one hundred and eighteen
eighty Do you blame Meta though for your addiction to
their platform? Or is that your own fault? And I
know that the wide issue here is governments are discussing
an under sixteen ban, which is so complicated to be

(11:06):
interested to see how that can possibly be play out
without restricting people's freedoms or forcing young people on to
you know, unregulated platforms. That's what imagine what happened because
people under sixteen are very clever, so you know they're
going to be on fortune whatever. It's a different thing.
But do you whose false is it?

Speaker 7 (11:25):
You know?

Speaker 2 (11:25):
So it's similar to anything, right? You know, things are addictive,
as you know they're addictive. Whose fault is it? Is
the fault of the person that's supplying the product or
the person that is continuing to use it? Because no
one's got a gun at your head saying no one
had a gun to my head last night, saying a

(11:46):
waste an hour of your life, doom scrolling, no one,
you know. So, so is the way we look at
things just wrong? Do we need to just say that's addictive? Yes,
but it's your responsible. There's that the world is full
of addictive things. I mean, there's temptation absolutely everywhere. So

(12:06):
you're going to be addicted to something if you are
open to addiction.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
There's that personal responsibility absolutely, But and I'll get pushed
back on this You've got a very strong will, no
doubt about it. And the very fact that you found
yourself knee deep in an hour of Instagram or TikTok
scrolling and then felt that regret. That is rare for you, mate,
because you've got a very strong will and a lot
of things. I find myself in that situation a lot.
And just on to your question, I actually do think

(12:34):
that these platforms have some responsibility to lessen the harm
that their platforms are causing. There's a massive part of
personal responsibility. And people say, get read of your phone,
delete the apps, just stop looking at your phone. It's
not that hard, tiler, But I think they've got responsibility.
They are designing these platforms and they are using algorithms
that are clearly heavily addicted. They can't just wash their

(12:56):
hands and say sorry, it's on you.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Good luck. So you know you've said to me that
you're trying to lose some weight, right yep. So if
you slam a banger bag of delicious snack of changy chips,
is that Lee Hart and Snacker Chanky's fault for producing
the chips? Or is or is that your fault?

Speaker 3 (13:14):
They are very tasty and addictive. I've got to say
those Nacker chany chips, but that is a fair point.
But keen on your your views. OZ one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Yeah, we'll
take we'll play some messages, but the phones have let up.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. It's twenty
one past.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
One, hard talk, Bold takes big stories.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
It's the mic costing breakfast.

Speaker 8 (13:35):
So the government's going to pay for your vaping now, Yes,
that's right in three flavors. Doctor Kelly Burrows is the
lead researcher're in vaping for the Auckland University Bioengineering Instituting.

Speaker 9 (13:44):
I'm glad that you are laughing about it as well.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Well, what else can we do?

Speaker 8 (13:48):
I mean, for goodness sake, what's the state of vaping
as you understand it in this country?

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Are we winning?

Speaker 9 (13:52):
I do not think we are winning. In New Zealand,
We've got some of the highest vaping rates in the
world and it's very much because the government and now
in New Zealand are really promoting vaping and there are
approved methods that are safe to help people get off smoking.
So I think I have nesmonds already sending the wrong
message by supporting back.

Speaker 8 (14:09):
Tomorrow at six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with a
Vida News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
B afternoon, it is twenty four past one.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I think it's a little bit how do I say
hypocritical of me to not really, because I'm admitting that
I'm that I do scroll last night. But you know,
the Dodges are on right now, and I'll describe the
Dodger's baseball team as blue crack. I got addicted to
them in Colorado when they were playing the Rockies about
twelve years ago. And now I live and breathe the
Dodges every day. And you know I've got just over

(14:37):
here in the corner them on the screen. So I
can't even go through this radio show with having what
with not having one eye on the playoffs. I'm not looking, mate,
But I see sport as a positive addiction. Yeah, but
I mean, I guess, I guess if I don't see
it as having harmful effects on my life, then it's
then it's not an addiction. This Texas is you can
be addicted to bad relationships, drink, drugs, food, gambling, shopping, scrolling.

(14:59):
We have to be responsible and stop blaming cars can
be dangerous, so we'll shall we ban cars and blame
car manufacturers?

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Well, fear point, But just quickly, because you mentioned there,
I said, without backing it up, that I think these
social media platforms should take some responsibility. And when you
look at the likes of gambling, alcohol, tobacco, there are
regulations and restrictions for those particular industries that do can
cause addiction and harm, and there's personal responsibility. But I
suppose some form of regulation for a social media platform

(15:31):
that they claim they're not addictive.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Clearly they are.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Any study or rationale would show that those algorithms are
heavily addictive and can be harmful to some users, then
they have a responsibility for making that platform.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Well, it's interesting when you talk about cigarette smoking. For example,
in the topic we're doing next Hour, you mentioned fences
and hedges, and as an ex smoker, I heard that
as benson and hedges, and even though I haven't smoked
for a very long time, I was like, God, I'd
love a cigarette. Yeap stays with you, so you know,
in a few years, if you kick your Instagram reels thing,
if you hear something that sounds like Instagram, like telegram

(16:05):
where you suddenly think about going on reels.

Speaker 10 (16:10):
Just made up big as mess?

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Hell did you just did you just make a big
ass mess? Did we hear that when we put you on?

Speaker 10 (16:22):
Yeah, I'm looking for something. Yeah, so like I'm in it.
I mean, I'm guilty to being afficted and because of that,
because of that reason, if it's going to show stuff
that I'm interested or preferences and stuff like that, Mom,
I'm gone, but just recked. WI can gone. I went

(16:45):
on a detox because my brother did, and he said
it's just helped him. And it's very hard.

Speaker 11 (16:51):
But I felt so good.

Speaker 10 (16:52):
I came back on it, and you know, I don't
miss it. But it's my children now. I feel it's
very important to just put back in place some kind
of authority. And they are not in a position to

(17:13):
absorb a lot of the stuff that they see. They're
not their brain is not fully developed to comprehend a
lot of stuff that's happening right now in this world.

Speaker 12 (17:25):
And so.

Speaker 10 (17:27):
I took it off them, their devices off them. They
were crazy for a bit, but they didn't die. And
yesterday when I picked up my son from school and
I just had a little talk to him about it, and.

Speaker 11 (17:41):
He said he really He said, oh that was needed,
even though he would never say to himself, your daughter
he's sing by the way he said it.

Speaker 10 (17:52):
He just said it felt really nice. And I said, well,
you know, like I will give I will give him
that depending on whether he does what he's supposed to
do important stuff, and then that's like an incentive or
in a reward, and I feel that it's more appreciated. Yeah,

(18:16):
And I just thought i'd share that.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
But yeah, good on you. I think I think that's true.
I mean, so, how old are your kids? If you
don't mind me use so?

Speaker 10 (18:26):
I have a sixteen, a sixteen, a eight, and a
sixth that don't have it. They just get it when
they do their chores in like an hour whatever. I
try to monitor that, but that's even hard sometimes.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Well, I mean, addiction is an interesting thing because when
you're a kid, that's it's a very different thing, isn't it,
because because you know, you don't have that same strength result,
you're just learning, and anything praise on kids in this
way is as good.

Speaker 13 (18:53):
Definitely.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, but what would you do you support what the
government is suggesting around an under sixteen band for social
media and New Zealand of.

Speaker 13 (19:02):
Course, of course, I think.

Speaker 10 (19:04):
I mean even some adults.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
It's funny what you say that they feel better because
my kids call it brain rot and they know that
it's bad for them, and they feel better when they're not.

Speaker 14 (19:14):
Oh okay.

Speaker 10 (19:15):
So I went on a school trip just today with
my children, was one of my children, and we were
in the bus and they were seeing these songs that
I've never heard before. Like I know a lot of
the songs that trend, but I was not even a
language and they were just and I felt like I
was getting hypnotized. And I just looked at one of
the young teachers and he said, I said what is

(19:37):
there and he said brain rot And I've never heard that.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Before, right yeah?

Speaker 10 (19:41):
And I was like, wait what, and like they just
like I was just crazy. And I ended up getting
the kids to sing some Teddeel songs and you know,
my favorite song is just to kind of round it out,
because I was like, oh my gosh, what's happening.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
It's great that the kids have branded it themselves, because
you can imagine a sort of you know, public service
announcementsment from the government, you know, branding it brain rot.
And coming up with that slogan. But it is interesting
that that's come up from underneath, that's come up from
the kids. They've decided to call it brain rot. They've
recognized that, and I think that's kind of it's quite
a powerful thing that even though they are a lot

(20:17):
of them still addicted to it, they do at least
realize that it's a bad thing, you know, So you
know that's that's something. Hey, thanks so much for your call.

Speaker 13 (20:26):
No worries, have a good day and hope I hope.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
You find what you lost or whatever week you tend
to start at the call. Thank you, Thank you, see
for what a lovely call. Oh eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. So do you
think apps like Instagram are intentionally designed to be addictive?
And who should be responsible for managing that addictive nature?
If it is true, the tech companies, parents, or individuals

(20:50):
themselves are the sex says, I've just deleted my Instagram account.
I have been completely bombarded with reels and posts on
a certain topic that obviously my searchers have brought up
and have wasted hours looking at it. I feel like
I have become addicted medicines. It's not their fault if
you've become addicted. Do you believe? Yeah? Okay? One D
eighteen eighty.

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(21:35):
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(21:55):
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Speaker 2 (22:28):
Thank you very much, Rayleen.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
So we've been talking about the addictive nature of Instagram
and other social media meta itself. It's been in front
of a sleek committee and told MPs it's not inherently addictive.
So love to hear your thoughts about that statement.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
You can put a timer on it. Personal responsibility a
brain right is part of the roadblocks game. Lol, It's
not the same as you think it is. I don't
know it well, but as a teacher had to google
it lull well my kids. I'm saying how my kids
and their friends use brain rot to describe being on
social media and going through reels and stuff. So you
may have a different definition, but that's how I said
it was. In fact, go as far as saying social

(23:04):
media apps may well be the only activity humans can
be taken which the risks are not outlined or easily visible,
says Allen. All good has nutritional information. I think all
food has nutritional information was what he meant to write there.
Advisories if it contains soy, peanuts, alcohols, warnings, labels all
over it, every sport or stick a price whatever. Yeah,

(23:29):
I mean that's a good point. I mean does it
need that at the start of each real it says
this could be bad for your health, you know, like
a cigarette packet.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
I think that's probably hitting the right direction.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
A picture of your brain shrinking before you watch each
each reel, would that help? Maybe? Yeah? Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Don
your thoughts on this.

Speaker 16 (23:49):
Yeah, mate, Look, I sort of come up around that
time where it was the changeover from you phone texting.
You know, we had cell phones in that growing up
at school, but you know there was no social media
and you know, as you well know, it has become
a big problem. And to be honest with you, are
things that they need to have an ID. I think
that everyone, no matter what age, you have an idea

(24:11):
on there because you find that you get a lot
of you know, keyboard warriors and what have you on there,
and there's a lot of a lot of online bullying
that's gone from kids doing it to adults doing it
these days, and you know, it becomes a big issue.
So you know, I think that there should be an
idea fact.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Don't you know, you don't worry that about you know
how that could be misused by the government if the
government starts being able to you know, track dissidents, so
people might you know, in a future government maybe that
you know, our government now is a benign government, but
in the future, once they have the ability to track

(24:51):
you and and have your all your comments and activity
on social media aligned to you, you don't worry that
they might use that against you.

Speaker 16 (25:01):
Well, I mean there is that, but you know, there's
a lot of people on here that are that are
into hunting and sport with firearms you have actually the
government has a shopping list of what firearms you own
if you ever, you know, your your license with it.
You know, you got to register them these days. So
it's it's sort of a bit backwards. I don't like
that side of it, but I think there needs to
be a bit of accountability, you know what I mean.

(25:22):
And you know it's it's it's getting to the point
now though, where you know you've got you know, it's
like you know, I saw this real fat dude eating
with a steel spoon, you know, at a restaurant, and
I thought, oh, that's disgusting. So now I just used plastic,
and you know, I just thought, well, you know what,
what's more dangerous, you know, is it? Is it the

(25:43):
social media? Is it the spoon? Maybe they need to
ban the spoon for the fat dudes or whatever, you know,
because it's it's all it comes down to, eat person,
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 17 (25:53):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Sorry, I don't kind of get the spoon. Analygy don
could you explain that for me?

Speaker 17 (26:00):
Well, so you look at you look at it like this.

Speaker 16 (26:03):
You know, you could say that social media is bad,
and yet it is bad in many ways and it's
great in many ways.

Speaker 17 (26:08):
You know a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, yeah, I see. You were saying, it's the it's
the it's the choice to use it.

Speaker 16 (26:14):
Yeah, So somebody could somebody somebody could use the spoon
to eat kena and and then the other then the
other person could could be be stuff in the bath
full of.

Speaker 6 (26:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (26:24):
Yeah, so so that's the issue. But you know, and
I'll tell you one thing. You know, I was actually
looking up the other day I was you know, you
talk about you know how it's almost like the phone
listens to you, right.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
And it does.

Speaker 16 (26:37):
And so the other day I was looking up deals
at Valentine's and then all of a sudden, I've got
this free Palestine. And I was thinking, well, I was
looking for free Valentines and then some deals Almuenstein's as well.
So I was just a little bit confused as how
how that how that sort of come across?

Speaker 2 (26:55):
It's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, yeah, that is very good. I mean the algorithm
did quite nail that. If you're looking for those Palestine
deals and it gives you Palestine instead.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, I think if you call don great analogy with
the spoon. But I mean, that's that's the thing, isn't it.
It's like you can you know, there's this, as I
say before, there's a lot addictive stuff in this world, right,
there's a lot of addictive stuff in the world. You
can choose, you know, yeah, you know there's a lot
of addictive stuff in this world, and something's going to
get you if you don't take control of yourself in

(27:24):
some regard, right, yep, very true.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, Right, coming up after the break, we're gonna have
a chat with Katherine Weed. She's a National MP and
she is behind this. Members built a banned social media
for under sixteens. It was sitting in that Select committee,
so we're going to have a chat to her next
but still keen to hear from you. Oh, eighte hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It
is twenty to two.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Sai'd be afternoon. It is eighteen to two. So, as
we've been discussing, Meta's regional director of policy, Mia Garlic
told MPs during the Select Committee that Instagram is not
inherently addictive. It's on the back of National MP Catherine
Weed's members built a band social media for under six
themes and Catherine Weird joins us. Now, very good afternoon
to you.

Speaker 18 (28:13):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Now do you think that there are things intentionally used
on the Meta platform to get people addicted?

Speaker 18 (28:23):
Well, there's no doubt that social media is addictive and
the constant scrolling, you know, studies show it does release
dopening I feel good feeling through the lights. The comments
and the constant new content that becomes addictive to wanting
to scroll, wanting to see more, wanting to see more, lights,

(28:45):
the comments, and I think from kids point of view,
it's very difficult to control that. It's hard enough for
adults to control, let alone children. And that's why I
think that we need to look seriously at protecting our
children and regulating social media for under sixteen year olds,
because of course that addiction leads to other places. It

(29:07):
leads to side the bullying, it leads to anxiety, to depression,
and so some of our kids going into deep dark
places on social media. So absolutely it is addictive and.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Dangerous, so addictive, But do you believe it's intentionally addictive?

Speaker 18 (29:25):
I think that the algorithms and the way in which
content is served up is concerning, particularly for our young
children who will have content set at them, and for
some young children they don't understand the content itself and

(29:46):
how harming that potentially could be.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
And yes, so specifically, what sort of damage do you
think that social media is doing well?

Speaker 18 (29:56):
I think that you know, it's easy for a ten
year old to set up an account and to pose
as sixteen year old. It's equally easy for a four
eight year old man to pose as a twelve year
old girl. And that's concerning because you know, we are

(30:16):
seeing the harms and we're seeing the cases come through,
you know, not just in that respect in terms of
you know, exploitation and exploitation, but also the harms that
we're seeing with mental health, in terms of anxiety, depression.
And these are concerning for our young people. And that's

(30:38):
why I bought this bill for it, and I believe
that we need to move and do more as governments
around the world to protect our young children from the
online harm. And you can see governments around the world
moving to protect our kids.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
So clearly, Catherine, you've put forward this bill and it
is a tangible thing that you're pushing forward to ban
these platforms for under sixteen. But do you think the
platforms that have a wider responsibility if there are addictive
harms or elements of those plays forms that are damaging
people's mental health, that are causing those addictive features, do
you think they have a responsibility to do something about that.

Speaker 18 (31:17):
I think they absolutely have responsibility, and my bill puts
the onus on the social media companies to take more
responsibility in terms of age verification and ensuring that the
people that are on the platforms are the age that
they say they are. And at the moment, the social

(31:39):
media platforms aren't doing enough in this space, and I
think they need to do more. They need to take
on a social responsibility as well.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
But what does that mean for free speech? If every
single person has to apply an ID to well, let's
face facts, an American social media company, a corporation and
identify themselves online, what does that do for free speech
in our democracy?

Speaker 18 (32:06):
Oh, I think there's always platforms that people can express themselves.
But I think this is really about protecting our children
and our most vulnerable from the harms of social media
and the platforms, not just from the content that's been
set up to them, but the predators that we see
that are approaching our young girls and young children. And

(32:30):
so at the moment, there's not a lot of restriction
in the online world. You know, we have restrictions in
the physical world when it comes to alcohols, aping, smoking,
and driving, but we had very few restrictions in the
online world. And there are hardly any safety rails and
seatbelts to protect our kids online. So you know, that's
why I'm making a stand and I'm championing a bill

(32:52):
which will regulate social media for under sixteen year olds.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
But you do understand what what's been saying by a
lot of people that often restrictions are coming on the
back of safety concerns, and then they take rights from
people and well meaning, well meaning for the safety of
of our children. But then you know, it can have
consequences on free speech. So you know, how are you

(33:18):
balancing that in your mind?

Speaker 18 (33:20):
You know, look, I'm hearing from more and more concerned
parents every day, school principles, teachers, medical professionals, and our
community that are concerned about the online harms children are
facing every day with the deep dark dangers of social media.
And you know, we hear it every day from cyberbillion,
cases of sextortion, mounting instances of abuse, mental health issues,

(33:45):
eating disorders, social media addiction, and you know, inappropriate content
which has been fed to our innocent children every day,
every hour, every minute, every second a concern. It's a
concern for many people in our community, and I think
as governments, we need to do more to protect our

(34:06):
kids online.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Now an age band, it has been pointed out that
could be pretty hard to enforce and may actually push
teens to unsupervised platforms and using VPNs because the kids'
kids are incredibly smart and more savvy than we ever
were at their age. I mean, are you worried about that?
So you're being banned the slightly regulated platforms, and that

(34:32):
the and the ones that are out in the light,
and then the kids we'll just head off to to
the ones that operate in the dark, your fore chains.

Speaker 18 (34:40):
And start, I think operationally. You know, that's what we
are looking at, looking at how we could implement and
enforce a ban or some kind of regulation or restriction.
And you know, ultimately it's not going to be perfect.
You know, we still see kids out there drinking, still

(35:03):
see kids out there vaping. You know, you can't stop everyone.
But this is a out creating a consistent message that
the government says it's not okay. So it's not okay.
And if we look at the cell phone ban that
we've already brought in in schools, it's been really successful.
You know, I've got a lot of principles and teachers

(35:23):
now saying to me, hey, the kids are talking to
each other, they are engaging, they're focusing on their learning,
and so this is a natural progression from that where
we get our kids back to engaging and talking with
one another rather than on the screen.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Catherine, really appreciate you joining us on the show this afternoon.
All the best with the rest of the Select Committee
process and where the bill goes from here are the
very best.

Speaker 18 (35:51):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
That is National mp A. Katherine. We're behind the members
buill to ban social media for under sixteens.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Well, yes, so she thinks that the damage being done
by social media under sixteens is worth the taking away
of the freedom of expression, protection for whistle blowers and activists,
and just during protection of privacy and identity. So she
obviously thinks it's a very very serious issue.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Do you agree, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty Z.
Number to call it is nine to two.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons
News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
News Talks B. It is seven to two. A whole
bunch of techs that comes through on this on nine
to two nine two.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
The six says, I think it's a great idea to
regulate children's use of the Internet. However it does. This
woman realized that the way to do this will be
through digital id which will take away children's privacy for
the rest of their lives as they grow older. This
is a bigger concern in my mind. Surely the responsibility
is with the parents to oversee the children's use of
their phones or PCs. I mean, that's the thing I

(36:56):
was trying to say, and I think it's an incredibly
complex issue. But a lot of freedoms are taken away
with good intentions, with safety in mind. And actually that's
how nearly every freedom has taken off us, and how
freedom of speech is restricted. And once it's it's always
with screams of safety. Yeah, that's right. But once it's

(37:18):
got you're saying there, I just got censored by myself
by turning that mic off accidentally.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah, but yeah, once it's gone, very difficult to get
that back.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
And that's why it's an incredibly complex issue. The six says, Hey, gens,
I find it's so difficult to give out eleven and
eight year old's grief when there were watching videos on YouTube,
when my wife and I are on our own phones
going down rabbit holes on Facebook and Instagram. Of course
they are all addictive and affect our mental health. Draw.
I mean that sort of comes down to the parental
responsibility part of it, doesn't it. Yeah that if you

(37:51):
are on your devices all the time, then you're just
louder than you're telling your kids to be on advice
on advice, you're telling your kids to be on a device. Yeah,
yea yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Hypocritical, absolutely, Brian, We've got about ninety seconds you want
to respond to what Catherine we would say.

Speaker 19 (38:07):
Yeah, I was listening along there. I think I got
to concern, similar to a lot of people, that you're
sort of suggesting that. Even Catherine there suggested a couple
of times during a little blood that you know, she
said something about on the forty eight year old posing
as a twelve year old, you know it'll be good
for that, And it's like, well, hang on saying that.

(38:28):
You are not only talking about kids, you're talking about
everyone having a digital ID, And I don't it's a
good thing. I think that slowly, by inch by inch,
that you know, everyone is becoming exposed to.

Speaker 17 (38:41):
What could happen.

Speaker 19 (38:43):
I think it was you, Matt said that if you
did have a not a be nine government, but if
you had an aggressive government for some reason in the future,
and if you need an example of that, just ask
one of the Canadian truckers that decided that protest over
there and promptly had all their bank accounts everything shut
down through their IDs and as seeing what it's like

(39:07):
to have you pretty much your life just stopped by
a government that doesn't read with what you were protesting about.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, I think you for your call, Brian. Yeah, I mean, obviously,
if you're going to have a digital idea, it's not
going to be just for the under sixteens. Everyone will
have to be id'd on there. And you know, you know,
there's there's whistleblowers, and there's there's there's people that need
things to say that don't necessarily want it to affect
their jobs. It's not all just troals abusing people out there. Yeah,
there is a discourse yep that that I don't know.

(39:35):
I think it's I think it's more complicated than then
than nearly anything at the moment.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yeah, absolutely, and a lot of people agree with that.
Great discussion. Thank you very much for all your calls
and Texas coming up after two o'clock. Let's have a
chat about hedges and fencers. This is going to be
a doozy. I wait, undred eight eighties. The number to go.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Talking with you.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
All afternoon is Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
It'd be afternoon, Welcome back into the program. Six past two.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Now earlier, we've got a text saying that from a
listener whose dog Rocky was having his first day on
his home alone and his CREATE big day, and the
radio has been left on, and so we were asked
to keep Rocky company through throughout the show. So if
you're listening, Rocky, you're a good boy, Rocky, What a

(40:28):
good boy? What a good boy? At home, home alone?
Being responsible? Then you create, You're not You're not ripping
up the couch, You're not you're not weighing anywhere. You're
not going through your dad's underdrawer. You are just sitting
there in the great being a good boy. What a
good boy, Rocky?

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Make dad proud, Rocky, good boy? Right onto this conversation,
which is going to be a doozy. Fences and hedge
as they can cause endless navally tension in this beautiful
country of ours. It's all kicked off in Mount Eden.
We're an apartment owner wanted her hedge to grow two
point four meters for privacy. The body corporate disagreed. Now
it's ending up in the district court. But it raises

(41:04):
the wider question around hedges and fences in New Zealand
and causes all sorts of issues. And there'll be so
many people, thousands of people listening right now that have
probably had a bit of a barney with their neighbor
over a hedge or a fence that they disliked for
some reason or the other.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Well, the thing is with hedges, which was great about them.
What I always thought was the way you go because
you might have like a fence height restriction, but you
take that fence down and you put a hedge there,
and then you can just creep it higher and higher
and higher. You can make your fence any high height
you want, just by where you choose to cut the
top of it. And you know, I'm moving into a

(41:44):
new property soon and I was looking at the fence
line a was going, you know what, I might knock
that fence down and I might just grow myself a big, old,
dirty old.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Hedge like the sound of that. Yeah, oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. So I got to say, when it
comes to a hedge on your own property, it can
let it grow as long as you're not annoying your
neighbor or blocking off some sun or it's encroaching on
their property. What does a neighbor have a problem with
a nice, beautiful hedge.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, I mean it's different with trees. And look, we
want to talk about one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
You talk about the hedge issues you've had in your
life and tree issues. But I think, as I was
saying before, it's bizarre that people will allow a tree
to grow over into someone else's property. Trees are different
from hedges. But someone will have a tree in their backyard, right,
and then it will start to grow, and then a
branch will extend out over someone's property, or the leaves

(42:38):
will come up and will start blocking the sun. Right.
But if you started building a structure, if you started
just nailing little bits of wood to other bits of wood,
so it slowly extended out over into someone else's property,
and you started nailing little umbrellas to it, which leaves
essentially are, you would be considered crazy and it would
be an incredibly shocking thing to do to your neighbor. Yeah,

(43:00):
and being caught straight away. And yeah, that's happening all
the time, trees encroaching over into other people's properties, into light.
Yeah yeah, I mean, I'd love to know this. Do
you have any right?

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Obviously you can take off whatever branches are coming into
your property, but do you have any right to go
and to your neighbor. I'm sick of that tree growing
into my yard. I need you to take it down,
and I'll help you do that. I don't know if
you do, but i'd love to hear anybody that's been
in that situation. Oh, eight hundred eighty, ten eighty is
the number to call. Nine two nine two is the
text number. It is ten past two.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
It's not The dog's not in a crate like locked
in a crate, texters, Rocky, good boy, rocky listening, good joy.
It's just a sleeping crate. He can climb in and
out of the crate.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Yeah yeah, super safe for dogs. Yeah yeah, if you're
a dog owner, crates are the best thing. It is
ten past too. Keen to hear your stories about fences
and hedges. If you've ever had a situation with your neighbor,
we're keen to hear it. It is ten past two.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Call, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Very good afternoon, Jill. It is thirteen pass too, So
we're talking about hedges. It's all kicked off and mount
eat and over a hedge. But we're keen to hear
on you from you on your stories about if you've
ever had a barneie with your neighbor over a particular hedge,
and what are your rights when it comes to a
huges neighboring both properties.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Wow, this is an amazing newsflash. Hedges of trees? Is
this text? I didn't know that that's what hedges were
made out of. Is that all this time apparently hedges
are just a row of trees. That actually, actually, when
I was a kid, I didn't know that. I remember
the day I realized that. It sounds silly, but I
thought hedges were different things. I didn't realize they were.
I thought hedges were one thing. Yeah, I didn't realize

(44:44):
that we're a bunch of trees. Just just cut together.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Yeah, but thank you for that text, Phil.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
How are you mate?

Speaker 15 (44:51):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Very good.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
So what do you reckon about hedges if you had
a bit of a barnie with your neighbor over a hedge.

Speaker 12 (44:58):
Oh no, I've got fabulous neighbors. We just don't talk
to each other about our high fences or our hedges
or a tree. But I was just ringing really just
to let you know that it's actually against the law
if you trim your your neighbor's tree on your side,
probably you're supposed to give it back to them. It's
actually illegal for you to dispose of it.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (45:18):
So you're weak off the branches and then you've got
well if you just throw it over the fences, that
job done.

Speaker 17 (45:26):
Well.

Speaker 12 (45:27):
There will cause a will probably cause an argument, but yeah,
just in the bylaws' is supposed to actually give it back.
But just out of curtessy, we always cut with you know,
you trim the trees on your side, probably you're disposed
of it yourself. But yeah, they've got every right to
claim if you've throat disposed of it, every right to
say that you had no right to trim the tree,

(45:47):
and the law would be on their side.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
What's the so so if the tree, if tree grows upwards,
so it's still on the property of the neighbor. And
this is something I should know because I've had neighbors
for a long time and it starts blocking your light?
Have you because you know if they if they put
another story on top of their house, they'd have to
get your permission if it was going to block your
light or viewer stuff? Is what are the rules around
that around a tree getting too big in someone's property?

(46:12):
Do you know, Phil?

Speaker 12 (46:14):
No, I know that there is some sort of restriction
as far as light goes. But yeah, my ranging through
is really just around you know, you've got a dirty,
big branch hanging over your fence, and you know it's
hanging on your side of the property and it's been
a nuisance or the dropping it's leads into your pool.

(46:34):
Normally would just wake it off and dispose of it,
but you can actually, yeah, get prosecuted for that.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Yeah. Well, maybe they want to use it for firewood.
As we were talking about the other day. You know
that they've grown it, it's used their resources on their
property to grow it. Yeah, so they so you own
the whole tree, even if it's you know, encroaching into
your property, even if it's growing through the kitchen window
in the neighbor's house. Yeah, that feels wrong. Oh, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is number to call. George.
You're an arboris, so you'd be across most of this, Yes, yeah.

Speaker 20 (47:02):
We're around it every day.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
So when it comes to well, let's pick up on
what Phil was saying, is a right that if there
you've got a neighbor and they've got a dirty, big
tree and the branches are coming over your side, if
you cut off those branches on your side, you've got
to give it back.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
To the neighbor.

Speaker 20 (47:18):
Yeah, yeah, you are supposed to. I mean, no one
really does. But I mean if you cut the tree
that was hanging over and the neighbor hated you for
it here, they could take you to court for it
far out.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
So I mean, that's that is a crazy piece of legislation,
am I in my mind that you know, it's it's
encroaching on your property and it might be god knows
what the tree might be, might be dropping rotten fruit
on the ground.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
So you've got no real right.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Just to chop it off without having a chat with them.

Speaker 20 (47:47):
You can cut it off. You've just got to give it.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Back, right, Hey, So what about that issue before, George,
What rights does the neighbor have if if the tree
and like say, you've got a neighbor and they've got
a big tree in the yard and you're and on
the other side of the fence that the tree gets
so big it's it's it's blocking light into the other
person's house. Do they do they have any rights there

(48:09):
to ask for the tree to be cut down or
enforced it being cut down or trimmed.

Speaker 20 (48:14):
Well, it gets quite quite confusing because the problem these
trees grow so slowly, so nobody really knows, you know,
you don't notice it until it's a big problem. And
then to get a tree cut down, removed or trimmed
is a very very expensive Yeah, and some people have
like tied to the tree. They're you know, they're planted

(48:35):
it fifty years ago and it was their grandmother's or
and so you know, it's more of a conversation you've
got to have with the neighbor and try to ask
them nicely. Yeah, because as soon as you go like
the court ways and.

Speaker 17 (48:48):
That you know, you're going to be throwing a lot.

Speaker 20 (48:51):
Of money at something that's you know, it's quite difficult
because it's not it's their tree, it's their property.

Speaker 12 (48:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (48:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (48:59):
It would be like you guys having a deck that's consented,
and then the neighbor going, heha, I don't like that.
I want you to remove it.

Speaker 21 (49:05):
Well, you know it's already there, remind Yeah, yeah, but
you can see how I mean. I you know, obviously,
you know, if you want to put a second story,
as I was saying before, in your house, it's a huge,
a huge deal because it's you know, blocking views and
blocking light and stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
But you can just plant a tree and it can
go as as as big as you want. And I
felt really bad because one day I was talking to
my neighbor and I was just and I said, oh,
that tree. I was just talking and going that tree
on my property is getting quite big, isn't it. And
he goes, yeah, that tree is the bane of my existence.
And I said what I said, it's just dropping needles

(49:40):
and blocking our light and it's just been incredibly horrible.
And I felt so bad because I just hadn't thought,
as you say, George, the trees grow so slowly that
I didn't notice. I was actually every day doing this horrible,
horrible thing to my my great neighbor, Kevin, and and
so I called it an arborouslate yourself to cut it back,
and I was quite happy to do it. And he

(50:02):
was the joy, the joy that that man experienced and
his wife that I had done that, and I just
didn't I was basically committing a horrific crime on him
and his wife. Every day.

Speaker 20 (50:15):
Yeah, get stories every day from clients and neighbors. And
there's the biggest issue has been somebody can't afford to
do it on their own property. Yeah, and the neighbors
are normally the ones that get us in the quote
them and they're like, we have to pay for it
because they can't afford it. And you know, it's been
there for years and all that tume has annoyed us.
So we're finally going to buy the bullet and pay

(50:36):
to get it removed ourself, or trim it back because
they won't let us remove it. But the problem is,
once you're trimmer, try it will.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Grow back faster, right, Yeah, it.

Speaker 20 (50:45):
Grows back three four times faster than it would if
you didn't touch it.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
It's good business for you though, George.

Speaker 22 (50:50):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Yeah, Just a quick question, George on the hedges. So
there is generally a situation down in our property in
christ Church. We've got the fence line and that's all
agreed to, beautiful fence, but we've got hedges that were
planted when we purchased the property and they're getting pretty
big now. And I've always thought, just out of fairness,
I'll keep it pretty much in line with the fence.
But if I wanted to keep growing those is there

(51:13):
a limit to how high those hedges can get as
long as it's not interrupting that the lights into the
neighbor's house, not.

Speaker 20 (51:22):
Particularly No, like, no, it's still a tree. It can
grow as tall as you let it to go, and
then that's when you start you'll start getting a problems obviouship.
The neighbors get sick of it. But realistically, know the
tree can grow as they can get. Let them grow
as big as you want.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Would you recommend, George, me just renting a chainsaw in
a ladder and just having a go at the Douglas
fhere in my backyard. What do you think I should
get a professional limb.

Speaker 20 (51:49):
It depends if you want it to look.

Speaker 19 (51:50):
Nice or not.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
How big are we talking big, Douglas Firth.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
It's decent size. Yeah. Yeah, I was just thinking about
like maybe I don't atually care how it looks. I
actually wanted to look like everything's been amputated because it's
a bit of a Yeah. No, I'm thinking I'm thinking
I'll maybe employ someone like you. So maybe I'll write
your number down. Where are you operating out of operating
out of Auckland.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Oh see that's handy, very handy, all right, George.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
George, I text you on a professional basis.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
All right, thanks buddy, Yeah, thanks for giving us a call.
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty if you
had a problem with a tree or a hedge on
your neighboring property, love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Reality check muppets. Ask me how I know hedges and
trees should need a resource consent. A thoughtless neighbor can
slam a bloody great phota kawa right in your view
line up to one hundred feet high, and you can't
do a bloody thing about it. That's from John. That
is a messive loophole, isn't it. I see that all
the time, like these. You know I love a Podcawa,
but hoops is beautiful. Yeah, the the you know our

(52:49):
Christmas tree, but you know they grow up and then
everyone goes to in credible and then just be a
complete a.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
View, a messive, a massive view will.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Be completely destroyed by a pod car and you can't
do anything about it. Huge loophole, wasn't it that? It's
this business head no one owes owns a view or
any light, and at says this text down. Yeah, you
don't own a view. You don't own a view. You'll
pay a lot for review?

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Yeah, heicck here is that right?

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Do you own a view?

Speaker 7 (53:19):
All right?

Speaker 3 (53:20):
I would argue that you would own a view unless
a big pahoops. I don't know a pahoot versus a view.
That's a tricky one because you know you're you're fighting
a native tree there.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Well, you pay for review, as I say, but yeah,
that's a very good That's a really hard thing to
get my head around. Do you you don't own a view? No?

Speaker 3 (53:37):
No, I suppose you don't. Yeah, good text Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighties. The number to call, it's twenty
three past.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Two Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on youth talk, said.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
For a good afternoon to you. So we're talking about
hedges and loopholes and trees. A bit of an issue
in Mount Eden with a woman who wanted to grow
her hedge to two point four meters for privacy, but
it's ended up in the district court because there was
some disagreement. But have you ever been in a situation
where you've been arguing with your neighbors over the size
of a tree or there here Joe eight hundred and
eighty ten eighties and number.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
To call and on that question that nearly broke my
puny little brain. About do your own view? Yep, I've
just been looking into this and it's quite complicated. No,
in New Zealand you cannot own a view, as there
is generally no legal right to view, though a view
is an amenity that contributes to property value. That's the
weird thing, because the view is a huge part of
your value. You sell it, you sell it on the view. Yeah, However,

(54:34):
you may be able to apply to the district court
for an order to have a neighbor's trees trimmed or
removed off that unduly obstruct your view according to the
Property Law Act of two thousand and seven. Complex. Yeah,
I mean it's a really good way to, I don't know,
aggravate your neighbor if you wanted to lower the value
of their property. Yeah, you love the value of their

(54:54):
property by haiffing up a couple of bhoots to block
their view. Yeah, and then buy them out for a
pit of Michelle, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 23 (55:06):
Hi there, How are you going?

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Very good?

Speaker 23 (55:08):
I was just about to bring out the Property Law
Act two thousand and seven as the Balancing Act to
Defensing Act nineteen seventy eight, because it does allow you
to require if you go to a court to have
your neighbors potentially trim their trees back. And it's because

(55:29):
under section three three three and three three five of
that Act, it specifically says that if your trees are
a nuisance to your neighbors and cause under obstruction of you,
under interference on their use of their own land for
growing lawns, trees, crops, or anything under interference of the

(55:50):
enjoyment of their land because of your trees, they leaves
falling access to light, et cetera. And the rest and
that includes draining and guttering with roots getting in that way.
Then you can apply to the district court under those
clauses in that Act to have of those trees.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
So the word is undue, So there's there's sort of
some gray the gray area there is you have to
prove that it's undue. You know, yes, yes, you would, yes.

Speaker 23 (56:20):
But the challenge in New Zealand is that those two
acts are national acts, but at a regional level and
local government level, the application of some of those things
like hedges. In some jurisdictions, hedges are specifically labeled in
the local authority acts around property and property boundaries, and

(56:40):
in other jurisdictions like Auckland, they're not, and that becomes
a problem.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, right, so can one oversee the other what has
what rules under those circumstances?

Speaker 23 (56:53):
Well, no, not really because the Sensing Act, if you
read it, is very strongly in favor of structures. But
trees are structures and so they do exist and they
do count as a type of fence if you have
a hedge. But in local government there is often a mention.
In some jurisdictions like you know, some local bodies down

(57:16):
down outside of Auckland, they actually specifically talk about hedges
being a challenge to that and having a jurisdiction or
a you know, a level at which they can't go above.
So for example, Central Otago has that right, some jurisdictions
like a Warnica, I know that. But here in Auckland

(57:38):
there is no mention whatsoever of hedges as living trees
that constitute the local level, a local body level, your
ability to control that. So you then have to revert
that to the Fencing Act, the Property Law Act, which
are you know, national national laws.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
That's so interesting because someone sarcastically takes through you know
that hedges are just trees. It's like, well not in
the eyes of not of the eyes of the regulations.
It's yea, hedges aren't just't a line of trees.

Speaker 23 (58:12):
Yeah, I mean it just depends some As I said,
some local bodies specifically put jurisdiction or restriction on hedges
per se, no matter what you want to call them.
You know, but trees are living. Hedges are living trees.
So they actually fall under those two national acts, but
at a local government level sometimes so sometimes they're just

(58:36):
forgotten about, and unfortunately in Auckland they are they will
never used. Music generations ago sort of put into the
local government legislation which would come first before the national legislation.
So you would go to accounts and go, I don't
like my neighbor. I need them to cut down my hedge,
please his hedge and it's restricting my light. And then

(58:56):
if that doesn't happen or there's no ability to control
it under local body laws, then you go to the
national laws fencing acts.

Speaker 13 (59:04):
It is complete property law.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
I mean great to chat to you, Michelle. So either
you're a lawyer involved in this area of legislation or
I take it you you may have had a situation
where you needed to scrub up on what the legislation is.

Speaker 23 (59:19):
Absolutely the latter the.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Letter, Okay, what happened in that circumstance.

Speaker 23 (59:29):
The hedge was deemed all intents and purposes originally as
being on the boundary, but then there was the need
to negotiate with the neighbor on how tall the hedge got,
and that became an annual process which was crest when

(59:52):
it was on air northern side and their southern side.
So ultimately what came about it became somewhat acrimonious, and
what ultimately we determined to do was to get a
survey and to just survey exactly where the boundary was
and guess what it wasn't where the hedge was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Oh so how how far out? What was the sort
of difference?

Speaker 23 (01:00:18):
Oh significant? Like yeah, a meter two and one point.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Three meters game match? Yeah, encroachment correct, Yeah, yeah, that's theft.
That is the.

Speaker 23 (01:00:30):
Yes, but it doesn't it doesn't make it in the
easier way. You wish to now trim your hedge which
you now own, and not as as on the boundary
and the neighbors that you want to have a peaceful.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
And positive Well that's the whole thing. How much do that?
How much do you want to go to war with
your neighbors? You know that, you know there can be
a lot of streets. The next thing you know, your
house is getting builed and they don't call the fleeces. Yeah, yeah,
welcome to my world. Yeah fascinating. Oh well, thank you
so much for your call. It's been very informative, Michelle,
appreciate it, very enlightening. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
The text from Simon, Hey, guys, perhaps not a very
helpful contribution for me, it is, actually, but this chat
reminded me during of that show Neighbors at War, a
comedy gold Simon. Yeah, that one of the great shows.
Such a good show, one of the great reality shows
this country has ever had. I loved neighbors at all.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
They need to bring me back right taking your stories
on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you
want to send a ticks nine to nine two. Have
you come across a situation where you've had to have
a chat with your neighbor over hedges or trees?

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Well, this is an interesting When I had a six
meter high bamboo hedge on my property, I love the
sound of a bamboo hedge, the noise it makes, Yeah,
in the wind, it's cool. The neighbors got angry. I
was removing it as they liked it, but there were
hundreds of rats living in it. It was terrible, leaves
clogging my place like nuts about thirty meters long. Yeah,

(01:01:57):
that's an interesting one, isn't it. When you your neighbors
don't want you to cut down the thing. Yeah, yeah,
that is interesting. But comminated eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
We're talking about fence and hedges, not Benson and Hegess
twenty seven to three.

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Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Thank you very much, aray Lean.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
So we are talking about hedges and fences and trees.
A bit of a situation in Mount Eden over a
particular hedge where the owner wanted it to be two
point four meters high, ended up in court, but it's
pretty common around the country. Have you ever had an
argument with your neighbor over a particular hedge or tree
on your property?

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
This Texas says reality check number two. So we had
a reality check from him before from John again to
prove and court your neighbor is an a hole with
tree management is very expensive, competitive and very expensive, so
doubly expensive there, very true, John Love John's reality checks. Yeah,
arm trees are our problem here in Wellington. We have
a neighbor with an enormous one that can't part with that.

(01:04:23):
They can't part with it's the ugliest tree ever. Every
few years they trim it and it grows back even faster,
even overnight, and even uglier well, waiting and waiting for
a storm to blow it over. I can't defend a
gum tree. You're not a fan of a gum tree.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
Nah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
They smell all right, But you know it's an aussy
imput isn't it. It's no behoot.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Okay, surely it's a case of not being a dick
to your neighbor. Surely if you're both reasonable, there won't
be an issue. And that's the key to it. I think.
What is it Matthew twenty two thirty nine. Thou shalt
love thy neighbors as thyself. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's
the ideal situation, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Yeah, try and get the piece if you can, and
you can do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
You can uphold your end of that, you know, yeah,
you shall. You can love thy neighbor as you said thyself.
It's hopefully you just get that back in return. Yes,
it's good. Advice from the Bible. Sometimes your neighbor isn't
as magnanimous as you are. John, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 24 (01:05:22):
Yes afternoon, guys. I used to live in a little
village called sent Bosh and there is a big, huge
macro half of heads on two boundaries, and it was
about fifteen feet high and about twelve feet wide. And
the neighbor came over one Sunday and he said, I

(01:05:44):
was just leading, you know, the diggers coming in to
take the whole hedge outmorrow morning. And I said, you
know that we're putting space on the market and.

Speaker 14 (01:05:52):
That's done it. Screw it.

Speaker 24 (01:05:54):
I said, if you paid me five thousand tasks, i'd
wait until you're gone. But I got a hold of
a lawyer and the hedge was put in about the
turn of the stink, and the boundary sense was sort
of in different parts of the hedge. But what he said,

(01:06:16):
both parties, when you bought those properties, you knew where
the head was. You can't touch it without the agreement
of the other party.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Yep.

Speaker 24 (01:06:26):
And so I thought that might be interesting some people.
To some people in that hedge, it was probably two
hundred feet long. But he used to put it yeah,
it was a big head, but a big feature, and
yeah it was a bit shocking. But that might help
some of your listeners is that sometimes I was just

(01:06:48):
lucky that I was given a name of a lawyer
and he was retired in the cargo and he had
the same exact issue on his property.

Speaker 14 (01:06:57):
So that's why I was. He said to me, no,
I can't touch it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Very lucky. So the neighbor was effectively before you found
this lawyer. He said, I've got to dig out. It's
coming around more. I'm going to rip up the hedge
whether you like it or not.

Speaker 14 (01:07:11):
Yeah, I'm going to take the complete heads out right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
That's not a good neighbor A night and.

Speaker 24 (01:07:16):
Oh yeah, And then I said, you know that we're
putting the house in the market and I said that
was through the stale. And then he said, well, if
you give me five thousand cash, I'll wait until you
sell it. And it was a Sunday and I managed
to speak to the lawyer on a Sunday night and
we piped up a letter, went over. It was pretty late,

(01:07:39):
called to eleven I think knocked on his door and
he wouldn't have come to the door, and we pasted
a note on the front door to stay you can't
touch the hedge, blah blah blah, and honestly that was
the end of it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Though yeah, well, John, I'm glad you called the right
person in that circumstance. It does sound like you had
a put of a dicket neighbor. Though, oh wait on
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. So
many texts coming through a nine two nine two as well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Here we go, perfect topic. Hey, this is the perfect topic.
That's what we like to hear. Fences and hedges is
the perfect topic. Huge the scholar has real knowledge. That
was the one earlier, Michelle. This should have been part
of the RMA updated along with building. It is a nightmare.
Councils use it as a massive revenue gatherer. Over one
thousand for resource consent to apply to have a dead

(01:08:29):
as in never going to live again, huge tree among
houses cut down if it was protected. That's before any
work starts. Really aggressive counsel arborus kept the fence and
scrabbled like a rat up a drain pie at the roots.
In case I had poisoned it, only clarks and doors
could resuscitate me. From the panic attacks ensued after that

(01:08:51):
bully and crap. Well, I was stunned by the attitude.
That's from Katie.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
That is a fascinating story, Katie Kendy here your situation though,
Oh eight hundred that is a lot of stress. I
don't mean to laugh at Katie there, but that was
a hell of a journey.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Yeah, but so one eight hundred eighty ten eighty will
admit to poisoning a tree that they wanted to disappear.
Come on, this is a safe space, secretly got away
with just I mean, what do you do? You cut
a ring around the bottom of it and do something
to it?

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
And someone mentioned copper nails before. If you ever tried
that doesn't work. I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Have a chat with.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
The lads on eight hundred eighty ten eighty Matt Heathan
Tyler Adams afternoons used talk.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Said, be pretty good afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
We've been talking about trees and hedges and neighbors at
war and the phone lines just let up after I
met you asked the question and the text machine for
that matter, have you ever poisoned a tree or done
something a little bit nefarious? So there's a couple of
ticks coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Friends of mine got up a large protected tree on
a beachfront property and a storm with a bottlejack. Okay,
what's a bottle jack? It's what's a bottlejack?

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
I don't know what a bottle jack?

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
I'm gonna have to google that one. Bottle jack?

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Okay, And this one says, what is a bottle jack?

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Well, it's like a I see you know, I know
what you mean. It's like a or just saw it
as a hydraulic lifting tool.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Ah fancy, So it does sound exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
So friends of mine got up a large projectory on
a beach front property in a storm with a bottle jack.
And what do they use the bottlejack to do? Someone
under the cover of a storm. Someone smarter than Tyler
and I ll Jim, you can give us more details.
It's a good story. I'm interested in it. Yeah, nineteen
nine ties the text number. It's known as a drill
and fill. I mean, it's a risky thing to do
because if it's a big tree and then it's just

(01:10:40):
going to die and fall down on someone. Yeah, but
you know, also, let's go to Mike. I'll collect my
thoughts on this, Mike.

Speaker 14 (01:10:50):
Yeah, you get a fellows. How are you going today?
Good subject?

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 17 (01:10:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:10:54):
We had a we look brewerly and in the bay
in a small town, and the house next door sold
a new davia's payment, and we've got a problem plane
tree between the two properties at the last remaining of
a big stand of playing trees shelter belt and anyway,

(01:11:17):
I gave our new neighbors a couple of weeks to
move in and settle in, and I went and knocked
on the door and introduced myself and I said, oh,
I'd just like to talk to you about this this tree.
It's a real problem that the brief system and the
branches are all over our place as well, and it's
it's the real problem. Anyway, I said, we're my wife
and I were happy to go hard and having it

(01:11:38):
take it down.

Speaker 14 (01:11:39):
And how do you feel? He said, well, if you
want it taken down, you can pay for it yourself,
and if not, you can pee off my property and
go away.

Speaker 22 (01:11:51):
He was rather really aggressive. So yeah, So anyway, we
eventually sold the property and moved on. And before we went,
you know, in regards to you saying about poisoning a
tree or something that's.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
On that's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
What and toured on.

Speaker 14 (01:12:15):
It's a weak killer. Yeah, it's pretty.

Speaker 22 (01:12:18):
Powerful and horrible horrible products. But because because the roots
were all over our property and and and every time
we went over the roots with the right on marlow,
we'd have to lift the mar up to get over
the roots base, you know. So eccidentally I drawed a
hole and some of that tord on fell and several

(01:12:39):
of those large routes.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
Yeah, how unfortunate thing. It's easy to do, you know,
we've all been there. Yeah, excellently, need to happen.

Speaker 14 (01:12:47):
Really, yeah, we went, we went about it the right
way and the nice way, but came up against the
complete brick wall. So we thought, well, well it's more than.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
It's just unlucky you had that tour on with you.
Did it just happened? Did you ever drive past again, Mike,
just see whether you're tour on a dune it's job.

Speaker 22 (01:13:09):
No, No, we're well out of the area now and
we've moved completely to another part of the North Island.
So that's that's something that was in the in the past.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Well, if you ever find yourself in the area of
your old property and report back in and tell us
what Thank you for your call, Mike. Yeah, great story,
Thank you very much. You could use the bottle jack
to split big trunks but make it look like the
wind snapped it. Ah see, that is brilliant. Yeah, so
you use the hydraulic bottle jack and pushes, yes, under

(01:13:44):
the cover of the storm, and then the way it
will break off will have that bend like it's like
it's broken in the storm.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Smart, that is. That is a good strategy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Nefarious. Yeah, what's more towny than Tawney? You guys, that's
from Tim. I'm not going to deny that. Tim. I
don't think as soon as I grew up on a
farm on that that towny. You're pretty rual. But to
be fair, I didn't help out in the house.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Munch n'entread at That doesn't surprise me. Oh, one hundred
and eighty, ten eighty the phone lines have let up.
We got one spear line.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
It is ten to three.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 24 (01:14:23):
Said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Very good afternoon, Tim. It is seven to three, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
There's a chemical called X street. You spread around the
stump and the tree will slowly die no holes required.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
There's a lot of knowledge about tree killing coming through
on the text number.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
What was that Phil Collins album called on No Jacket
with No Holes required. Yeah, there's a lot of there's
a lot of covert tree felling that's going on in
this country. There's there's just a whole I don't know
underground movement of poisoning trees and splitting trees so they
look like they've been blowing around in a storm.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
If you want to take out a protected tree, just
come and have a look at our text machine. Nineteen
nine two is the number, Steve, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (01:15:09):
Very good story. A tree between my property and a neighbor,
and you couldn't have got more on the bout a
lovely tree. It was a lace back native place. It
was about thirty five maybe more years old, and it
had started pushing the fence into the previous neighbor to

(01:15:30):
her and I agree in the future we would cut
it out and put the fence right across because it
was damaging the fence anyway. A chunk fell out into
her place in a storm, and then another piece fell
out into my place in another storm. So I said
to her, I think this tree better go.

Speaker 14 (01:15:47):
It's rotten in the middle.

Speaker 7 (01:15:49):
So and then she agreed. SO said, oh, you'll have
to get a quote. So I got a quote and
she said, oh, you've only got one. I said, there,
I know that this guy is and I worked with him.
I'm a contractor and I've worked with him on other jobs,
and he's good his job and the price is death,
he said. I said, well, you get some more quotes. Anyway,
she agreed, so I said, well, the tree will be

(01:16:11):
taken down in my property. Everything will be done from
over here. And we did the job. So when I
got the bill, were cleaned up and I canted the
stuff that couldn't be shredded away on my truck at
my cost, of course. So when I went to take
the bill over to her, she cracked the door open
and threw out a trespass order.

Speaker 14 (01:16:31):
So I got trespassed. Wow to work, I can tell.

Speaker 7 (01:16:39):
You very horrible. Anyway, we took it to court and
the guy and the adjudicators give her the big spiel
that I'm allowed two meters into her property at any time.
I like to do maintenance on the fence and that
is the law, and he laid it down. He said,

(01:16:59):
do you understand? She didn't like it. Anyway, that turned out.
Then she accused me of theft. And what I'd stolen
was a fag. When I cleaned up, there was a
fadge there with weeds and stuff. So I took that
onto my truck and threw the fage back over. So
that was the theft. I had stolen her wig. And anyway,

(01:17:25):
through old jobs, he filmed us out of a crack
and the curtains and filmed us with her phone right
through the job. And then she presented more because I'd
photographed every step that we took, just in case when
it come to court, she presented all these new photos
of accusing me of trespassing. And yes, I had been

(01:17:46):
walking on her probably when we did the job. You
can't you can't make an omelet without cracking the necks,
can you. So I had to walk over there and
clean up, et cetera. So I was accused of trespassed
and all sorts of accusations. Anyway, I won in court.
And the other bag you had was why didn't I

(01:18:08):
fix the sceins? And I said, well, I can't fi,
I said to the duty go, I can't pick the
thing on fresh part.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Yeah, there we go. It's complicated. Sorry, we've got to go, Steve,
because we're going to go. We'll keep this going over them.
We'll bridge the gap over the news with us, shall we.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Yeah, keep those calls coming down. O eight one hundred
and eighty nine two ninety two is the text, and plenty.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Of stories coming through news. Next, we'll get back to
that fadge.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
You're on New Home for Insateful and Entertaining Talk. It's
Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Sebby, Welcome back into the show. Seven past three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Good boy, Rocky, good boy, you're a good boy, Rocky.
You're doing well. Goodbye home home for the day. For
the first time by himself, Rocky and his owners left
the radio on, so we've been charged worth keeping Rocky company.
He's listening to us. Good boy, you're good doggie. You're
making daddy proud.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
Yeah you are.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Yeah, you're doing well. Rocky. You're going to be fine.
Good boy. We love you, Rocky. What a good boy
you are. What a good doggie? All right? Shout out
to Rocky.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
And we had so many calls about the tree situation
that we decided to keep it going.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Well, bridge it for a bit, right, Yeah, I've got
a good topic about burnout.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
We want to get to We do want to get
to burn out. But I'll just go through a few texts,
shall I Tyland please do?

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Okay? I will? I was told developers run over the
roots with heavy machinery. I mean, have we staged what
we're talking about for people that's tuning? Yeah, we're talking
about the rules around hedges and trees between properties.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
Right yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
It all kicked off in Mount Eden with a woman
who wanted to grow her huge to two point four
meters and there was some arguments and it's ended up
in court and clearly it's a big thing up and
down the country.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Yeah, but that's sort of veered off into people poisoning
other trees, right Yeah. I was told developers run over
the roots with heavy machinery. That incident was huge, unbelievable.
Thing is I love trees, but the thing is remnants
forest trees and urban areas. People down the street threatened
to prosecute later out of the blue, anonymous report to
council counsel didn't think to check with owners before sending

(01:20:11):
out the letter. Lowell tortured willows, terrible trees on our
boundary round up. Did the job have a cup of
tea with neighbors? She said, looks like the trees dying.
I said, that's very sad. That's a great text. And
this text says, I don't know how your employees get
away with allowing you to congratulate people on doing something illegal.

(01:20:32):
Encourage and congratulate these people promote harmful chemicals and dangerous
acts of violence to living trees. I can't imagine why
you can't think of any other topic to deal with
or deal with properly. Yeah, what is wrong with our employers?
Our employers Tyler for allowing us on air to talk
about this and talk about people drilling filling trees.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
I think they're off site today. They must be, otherwise
they would have been storming in here. But it turns
out there's a lot of very knowledgeable people when it
comes to poisoning trees.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
My brother in law had a big, old man pine
blocking his sunlight. The tree was in council reserves, so
we drilled holes in it and poison it. When it
was looking sick. He wrung the council and told them
that it was looking dangerous. When the workers came to
cut it down, he managed to get them to wring
it up. And see that is some smart thinking. That
is well done. Yeah, so I can't believe our is

(01:21:27):
this would this? Other texts says would your kids be
proud of you talking about this? I don't have a child,
but I imagine they would. Yeah. We had a tree next
door that was starting to lift our concrete. I went
over and asked if they could get rid of it.
He said no, I didn't plant it. I said, but
it's on your property. I told him where to go.
Then he came around and we paid half of removing it.

(01:21:48):
They didn't talk to us ever again, and we sold up.
That's a sad story. It is a sad story. Neighbors
on the moor. There's so many coming through can prove
that you poisoned it. That's the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
That is the crux of it. Yeah, and that's what
a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Anyway. We'll go to Denise, get a Denise.

Speaker 6 (01:22:05):
Oh gooday, I just I was just going to tell
you about this tree that my neighbor had. We called
it the bird tree. Was a huge the bird tree.
It was full of yeah, because it was full of
blackbirds nesting. It was a huge native tree. Native trees
don't always have native birds. Learn. It was full of blackbirds,

(01:22:29):
and they made the most terrific, horrible noise, just loud
noise all day, you know, especially in spring of the
drive you're mad all the birds chirping and and anyway,
we got so fed of that. One fed up. One
of the neighbors got his big tom cat and he

(01:22:50):
put he reached over the fence with a cat, putting
on the brunches. There go, he says. Up. The cat
just jumped down. He wasn't going to go up there.
All the birds. Yeah, but it's gone now. A couple
of weeks ago I wake up and the tree had
gone on. The neighbor had been cutting it down bit

(01:23:11):
by bed, but the whole tread gone. So now it's gone.
Birds have got to find somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
For that's that. It was annoy That's a good result
for Denise, isn't it. That's a good result.

Speaker 6 (01:23:25):
Yeah, it's good. It's nice and quiet now because especially
in the spring, you couldn't imagine the noise. It's always birds, mate,
it was. I think it was mostly black, but it
could have been some barahs.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Annoying. Getrid of all birds are too loud? Was that
that was the gum and male plan? Wasn't it get
rid of the birds?

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
What are they screaming about? Anyway, Denise, I'm glad that
worked out for you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Some of someone's once said, you know, you hear birds
and you think it's a beautiful sound the birds, but
really they're just telling like that's territorial. Yeah, so it's
actually just creatures abusing each other to get off your land.
It's like someone it's like it's like neighbors at war. Yeah,
yelling at each other. I think, isn't that beautiful? It's
just all abuse. It's worse than the internet.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call a few more ticks. We've had so many
ticks comes through over the past hour and a birds.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Yeah, and lots of calls for us to get fired
for our promotion of poisoning trees. Not promoting it, just
airing what happens in the community. And there appears to
be a sort of cohort of new zealanders and that
poisoned the odd tree from time to time.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
Yeah, you know, it's an open program, so if they
come through, it's our duty to read them.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Surely an Alfred Hitchcock fan here the birds, the birds
that did have a bit of a hitch cocking and vibe,
didn't it? Y certainly did, right.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
It is thirteen past three oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call back. Very surely
you're listening to Matt and Tyler. Hope you're having a
good afternoon. His talk said, be squared a pass three,
A couple of teaks coming through on nine.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Two nine two. Guys, we had a neighbour's bank of
trees that block the golf use. Another aggravated neighbor was
going on holiday. Gave me a tordn poison kit with
a drill to take a plug out, add weed killer
and reinsert the plague. I didn't do as dirty work.
I would have been guilty by default.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
Smart a high road there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Yeah, you never know. That could have been an undercover
member of the police. Harborist squad are out there. You
never know. It could have been an entrapment. Was buying
house in twenty sixteen. I had a capastry growing on
the berm before per position date, one am syringe full

(01:25:42):
of neat roundup and a ten milimeter drill bit. Problem solved.
It's anonymous as well. Anonymous is doing a lot of
tree coming. Hypothetically, if I was to drill holes in
my neighbor's tree, what poison would I put in it
to do the trick? I may be asking for myself
or a friend would no idea, No, no idea, and
we've been warned not to share that information. Okay, so

(01:26:02):
no idea. We can't help you there. This is an
interesting story, and I'm wondering if this texture is suggesting
Calma my daver sent her a tree guy around to
trim my trees when I wasn't home. Her poor husband
died a few years later. Those two things related. It's
a hell of a twist at the end. So are
they saying that the tree going around, so sent my

(01:26:23):
tree guy around to trim my trees when I wasn't home,
So that's the crime. Then the second part of the
six is her poor husband died a few years later,
So they suggesting that the husband dying was karma for
the sort of stealth tree from me. It's a mess
of price to pay. I know there's a there's a
novel in that text. There's a lot in there. Andrew.

(01:26:44):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 14 (01:26:47):
Oh, first time caller. Great to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
You know, let's hope this isn't the last call we
get you from you, Andrew. If you haven't heard what
you're going to say, it might be terrible, but I'm
just it's going to be a good call.

Speaker 14 (01:27:00):
Listen to the tree story, and I reminds me of
years ago. Mum and Dad lived in Twice and they
had a house on the appskirts for the and they
had a bunch of trees, wilding pine trees that were
growing up blocking their view. And one day I was
looking out and I saw this council worker walking past

(01:27:20):
with the count spray paints marking some trees. So I
want to say, buddy, what are you doing and say,
I'm going to mark the trees twenty meters back from
the boundary. It's a fire rest. And I was like, oh, yeah, well,
you know, carry on, keep up the good work. And
I looked at the counter paint he ads and pop
round to the gas station and grabbed the exact same can,

(01:27:41):
and we all Mum and dad trees that were blocking
their view. I marked them with a bunch of exes.
A week later, a bunch of contractors came through and
I was told to pull out all the trees that
have been marked with the neck.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
That's there's so genius, I mean as genius as evil genius.
I mean, are you always looking for those? This reminds
me of a minds me a lot of a prom
that I had and we worked out what the drinks
tickets were and so you get have the same And
when I bought the drinks tickets from the because you

(01:28:19):
allowed two drinks per per person. Yeah, the prompt, the
prom that went, I'm using American term the what do
you call it? What do we call it? The formal? Yeah,
that's the word for prom. Anyway, just go down. It's
a similar kind of logic, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
You know, find the design, find the system.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
That you No, didn't go that far, but okay, that
would have been thinking actually to make some money as
well as free drinks. But a couple of my friends
got pretty raucous and one of them tripped over on
the deputy principal's head. Sorry, So it was pretty clear
that there was some kind of more than two drinks

(01:28:59):
going down situation. It sounds like a great formal Yeah
you must have been. That must have been quite deviously
enjoyable when you saw it. That plan come come to fraud.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Because it was a plausible deniability. I mean, there's no
way it can come back to you. I mean, what
are they going to say you spray painted the trees?
And yeah, just felt like spray painted that. I don't
expect you guys to knock it down.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
That X is just my tag. Good on you, Andrew,
Thanks for the call.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Yeah, fantastic, right, what a great discussion. Holy moly, the
amount of ticks that we've head through over the last
couple of hours.

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
Yeh.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Normally I have good time with you knobs. However, advocating
the poisoning of neighbors trees is a little off personally.
I'd need kept someone if they touched my trees. And
I'm a gardener. Whether you stand up for your trees, yep, no, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
Yeah, don't touch that. Don't touch the podka.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Tyler, you're a bad person for laughing at Andrew's little
devious plan there, Okay, it was a good strategy though
want Yeah, no, no, no, it was not.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
It was It was bad on Andrew and we can
no longer endorse that. Right, great discussion, Thank you very
much everyone who called and ticks on that one. Coming up,
we want to have a chat about burnout. It is
more than just feeling tired, of course, it's a heavy
drag on your mind, body, and spirit for some and
experts say burn out peaks around this time of year.
We got deadlines, expectations, and life demands. It's a tipping point.

(01:30:24):
So are you feeling burnout at this time of year
or have you faced it in the past?

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
Yeah, I one hundred and eighty ten eighty And here's
just a Devil's Advocate type statement slash question. Is it
a sign of weakness? And I mean our ancestors who
got burned out starved to death?

Speaker 17 (01:30:44):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
Is it a lack of gratitude that you have a
job that feeds your family. Shouldn't that be enough to
keep you going? Just the knowledge that you're working hard
and you're making money to keep a roof of your
family's head and feed them. Interesting question. Humans have to work,
That's what we have to do. We get some holidays,
but generally speaking, the lot of humans is to work.

(01:31:07):
There's no way but yeah, and they probably shouldn't be,
you know so I one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the whole? Is the whole question of burnout just a
sign of weakness? Love to hear your response to that?
Come on through or do you disagree? Am I full
of crap?

Speaker 17 (01:31:22):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
One hundred eighty ten eighty? It is twenty two past three.
You're good boy, Rocky, You're a good boy.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Welcome back into the program. Twenty four past three. So
we've raised a question about burnout. An article in the
Herald today from an expert in employment and work life
who says that burnout for many people peaks around this
time of the year. That's when deadlines, expectations, and life's
demands start to hit our tipping points.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
What is the actual definition of burnout? What does it
actually mean? Is it just that you're a bit shagged
or is it actually are you a bit over? It
is burnout more than that? I mean, what is the
definition of burnout in this article. Sorry to put you
on the spot there, Tyler, my good friend. You raise
a good point there, because it's one of those things
that you start talking about and then suddenly it strikes

(01:32:21):
you what is What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
So they've described it and whether this is an official definition,
but they said it simply isn't just tiredness. It is
a drain on energy, your confidence and your joy, and
it's a constant thing. So when you wake up and
you're constantly feeling tired, no matter how much sleep you're getting,
you're losing a bit of confidence and you're just not
happy with life. Then they say quite often that can

(01:32:44):
be burnout. But I think if a lot of people
listening out there in the face what they thought was burnout,
it probably creeps up on them.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Yeah, But I just wonder if it's you know, there's
there's this everything's a matter of perspective in your mind, right,
And if your job was the difference between life and death,
then would you have burnout? Because you know, I think
about back in the day, like you see see those
people that had jobs in the depression area that were

(01:33:14):
just running elevators up and down. You know, they had
to control the elevator. That is a hard but but
the difference was you and your family on the street.
So whilst that job is absolutely punishing and boring, yeah,
they would never get burned out doing it because the
flip side of it was so horrific that you were
just pleased to have an opportunity to earn some money

(01:33:35):
to feed yourself and your kits. If you see what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Yeah, Yeah, the ability to survive, that's a hell of
a motivator. And even if you are tired and over it,
and there's a hell of a lot of jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
In that area era.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
In fact, going back, you know, pick your date any
job in the past one hundred, two hundred and three
hundred years. We're not flesh considering the jobs that we've got.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Now. Do the peasants that were working, you know, the
farms in front of the villages get burned out? If
they did, they died, didn't they?

Speaker 17 (01:34:00):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number? Girl Ken,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 25 (01:34:05):
Hey guys, a long time listener, first time pauller.

Speaker 17 (01:34:08):
I was actually going to talk a little bit about
your last one.

Speaker 25 (01:34:11):
My papa died from poisoning a tree what region I
remember as a little curd. I found out my proper
passed and we found out that he didn't like the
tree obstructing his views. So we ended up sneaking out
in the middle of the night thrilling the tree and
obviously been on the edge of the heart.

Speaker 17 (01:34:31):
He had a heart attack.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
Your health apparently was so not not endorsing it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
How long I was?

Speaker 13 (01:34:41):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
Sorry? Just how long ago was this king? Okay, so
you've got two years ago, you've got got over the
grief of it, so we can Well, so they're just
the the the stress of the sneaking around and doing
that convert covert activity was just did his hardenow.

Speaker 25 (01:35:03):
Yeah, that's pretty but cautionary tale.

Speaker 17 (01:35:08):
So I think that's quite an interesting one.

Speaker 25 (01:35:11):
I think it's when you're out of balance something in
your life. You're not going to the gym, you're not
walking and running or whatever. It is getting the other
outlet to release valve that stress or whatever. And I
also think we live in a busy world now like
back in the day, is pretty.

Speaker 17 (01:35:27):
Straightforward and simple.

Speaker 25 (01:35:28):
You might add one outfit now with pretty much everyone
wants a bit of your time, including your family, your work,
and so sometimes it's like, have I got that out
of balance? I'm spending too much time with work. Need
to spend more time and invest into my marriage or family.
And I do believe it's genuine. So I went through

(01:35:49):
myself just loving getting commissions and working from eight to
eight basically for four years or six and a half years.

Speaker 17 (01:35:58):
And we're doing that.

Speaker 25 (01:35:59):
For a while, and then all of a sudden, you
don't realize it, but you're like, oh, I'm in a
much negative headspace, I'm exhausted, I'm over people. And then
you realize, oh, maybe I'm a dust burnt out. So
it kind of sneaks up on you as well. It
takes a while to then get things back into balance.
So yeah, that's just my take on it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
When when you were getting that burnout, were you managing
to take a at least one day off a week,
and not just off, but thoroughly relaxing and spending time
with family or friends at least one day a week.

Speaker 17 (01:36:32):
Ken, Yeah, yes, yes, said no.

Speaker 25 (01:36:35):
But I always feel like my mind and I don't
know if this is me being a guy or whatever,
but I'm always thinking about work. It's time to shut
off as well. When I go on holiday, it takes
you probably about a week or two, so I'm wined
before you finally get a like during holidays.

Speaker 14 (01:36:49):
If that makes sense, it does.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
Yeah, I mean I think for a lot of people.
I mean maybe I'm wrong here, but that's how I
assume burnout takes holders that you you know, a lot
of it is just overwhelmed with the issues that you
might be facing in your place of work. But it's
all you ever think about twenty four seven. It's that
problem falling asleep because you've got those stresses and after
a while, that build up of worry and stress would

(01:37:13):
just leave you a nervous wreak effectively.

Speaker 25 (01:37:18):
Yeah, definitely, and always thinking about it like it's like
a vicious cycle.

Speaker 17 (01:37:22):
You know, with successful people breed success.

Speaker 25 (01:37:24):
It's that when you're focusing on the negative and you're
burnt out, it's like you're not a very fun person
to be around, and your viab attraction tribe and then
you kind of withdraw and then with drawing up being
around anyone. So it can kind of spiral as well.
So but yeah, another aspect that I reckon as well.
For example, when I'll use this analogy. Sometimes when our

(01:37:46):
kids go away with they're brilliant for my parents come
back and they fall apart. And I think sometimes as
a generation, like we might be carrying into generational trauma,
like from the past where you know you're not you're
not allowed to express yourself.

Speaker 17 (01:38:00):
Kids are a be seen.

Speaker 25 (01:38:01):
I've heard like you could, you didn't, you couldn't, And
now we live in an era where well, some of
these generational things might be brewing and coming to the sessa.
So I don't know if that's a bit deep for
you on our afternoon, but.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
I like that. We love going deep, Ken love it.

Speaker 17 (01:38:17):
Yeah, yeah, So I don't know.

Speaker 25 (01:38:19):
I think it's multi faceted, and I do think we're
a lot more soft and less resilient as.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
I think I think they can. You know, it's a
bit unfair to say, you know, our ancestors, you know,
they had to keep going of their staff, but it
was much closer. There was a direct relationship between what
they were doing and how it helped their family. So
they were out Let's just say they were a hunter.
They bought, they worked hard, they brought back something for

(01:38:46):
the family to eat. They fed it to them and
it was a direct relationship between what they were doing
and and the rewards from it and the survival fat
factor of it. You know, the KPIs were as my
family still alive, whereas we do now our work is
very different from that. It's it's different for it's it's separated,
and it's hard for us to get our head round.

(01:39:07):
We sort of do these I guess what's the word
for it. There a pilot, auto pilot.

Speaker 25 (01:39:13):
We're in auto just like not really thinking about what
we're doing with this, and then when something out of
the ordinary happens, it's like, well, we're filming it, Like
what the heck? So I think getting back to like
who we are as primal people, like yeah, like you're
saying together, I get out on the ocean when I'm
in the box and straight around like yeah, yeah, something

(01:39:35):
in there, the exact guy. And it's like connecting with
south but also nature and then getting back to basics
helping in neighbor, like enjoying someone else's success, not being
the tall poppy, but saying the nice positive word to
a stranger and making someone's stay or letting them go,
or I think as a country we look too often

(01:39:57):
to the government to solve all our problems when the
answers were in and we are the people and we
can make the change, and they don't have all the answers,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
So yeah, well I just responded to a X a
couple of hours ago where someone said I was saying
that we need to have more confidence and you know,
maybe our boardrooms because they're you know, the business confidence
has come back negative or is coming back negative. And
I said, well, you need to find your confidence, and
that someone taxted with this government, how would I find confidence?
And it's like, if you're looking for the government to

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give you confidence, then you're going to have a very
very topsy turvy life. You've got to find your confidence
within yourself. You can't always look to the government to
provide the everything you need to succeed.

Speaker 25 (01:40:40):
Absolutely fun on then I didn't finance. I've meet a
few people over the years and yeah, we're all there's
were everyone's different a and everyone's got a different opinion,
And yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
Well thank you for your call. Ken, good luck dealing
with burnout in the future. And ri ip Poppy bless
him and his covet tree in attempt to kill them.

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
Yeah, rest and base I mean that is tough, but kem,
what a great call. Burnout at one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Obviously Ken had found some philosophy that helped
with him. If you face burn out before, how did
you get out of it? Did you have to change jobs?
Love to hear your story. It is twenty six to four.

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Now back to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
Thank you very much. Raylan.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
So, we've been talking about burnout after an article in
the New Zealand Herald. It was written by well being
coach Nicki Slvesta. Nicki has been listening and she's actually
given us a call. She's on the line now. Very
good afternoon, Nicki.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Hi, how are you very good? Thanks Niki. So in
your article you say that burnout peaks at this time
of year. Why is that? Why does Berner seem to
hit hardest just before the holidays.

Speaker 26 (01:43:10):
It's because we've got this massive rush put on ourselves
and there's so much stress around wanning to get everything
fixed and furnished and everything is completed before the end
of the year so that you can kind of forget
about it instead the new fresh again. For what that
does is that creates a whole massive amounts of like
prolonged stress and which shows up as overwhelmed, drained, and
feeling unable to meet the content.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
Of arms and the other thing. One of the other
things you talk about is treating rest is as refueling
as opposed to reward. Can you sort of took us
through that concept? Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:43:43):
Absolutely, So when you're going through these sorts of things,
everyone kind of has this kind of mindset that they're
going to take some time out once they've completed the
task that they need to do, either finish the week
that they need to get done or the stresses that
they've got going on at home. But in order to
reach those targets that you want to reach, you kind
of need to have the rest to be able to
have the skills and the capabilities to actually be able

(01:44:03):
to do it. So we need to stop looking at
stress and answorry. We need to stop looking at rest
has been something that's going to be a nice to
have once it's completed the task that we need to do.
We want I need to get onto the rest now,
so we can actually get both tasks done now.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
It's interesting like historically speaking, people you know, took the
Sabbath off. You know, it's in the it's in the
Ten Commandments, and it seems like in the past there
was more of a focus on weekends actually being weekends
and family and friends time. Do you think that's a
that's a problem now that no one ever really takes
a full day off where they don't think about work

(01:44:40):
at all. They don't they don't check their phone, they
don't check their emails. Do you think do you think
that's a problem?

Speaker 26 (01:44:44):
Looky, absolutely, I think that. I think since COVID people
we're working from home a lot more. We've sort of
become a lot more reliant on the ability to our
being more flexible and where we work, how we work,
and the demands on when people can be reached at work.
So the ability to actually switch off now has sort
of been eroded, and you're constantly checking for emails. You know,

(01:45:06):
you hear opinion on your phone for old to three
that see what that sees, and then you're sort of responding,
never giving yourself that opportunity to actually switch off and reset.

Speaker 3 (01:45:15):
It interesting, So the idea of burnout and you mentioned
they're the symptoms you got to look at, but you know,
to my mind anyway, it's kind of this nebulous term
that can be a bit vague, and what is actually
fatigue or tiredness and what has burnout? So what do
people need to look at I look out for to
determine whether they might be getting close to actual burnout?

Speaker 26 (01:45:37):
Yeah, So for me, I would suggest that they start
looking at how exhausted they feel. If they're constantly feeling depleted,
they've got no energy, they're feeling fatigued, no matter how
much sleep they're getting, they're just not feeling like themselves still,
if they're starting to feel a little bit like they're
withdrawing in their normal everyday environments and what they're actually
taking joy out and what they're doing, or they're feeling
constantly negative about work or what they're spending time with

(01:46:01):
them especially family, and also if they're finding it hard
to really concentrate, really feeling like the equality of it's
really dropped off, I would suggest that those are really
big signs that they need to be looking out for.
On timp to burn.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
Out, there's there's I'm trying to form this this idea
in my head around this. And you know, historically when
people were working, it was very much aligned with their
what they were doing. You could easily equate that to
how it helped your family and how it helped your life.

(01:46:33):
But we now have our jobs are kind of distant
from that, so we can't necessarily see the awards. Is
there a way to change your perspective so you can
be grateful for your job? So you go, well, this
may be a punishing situation on it, but it's how
how I live, and you know, focus more on people
that don't have jobs than and how lucky you are

(01:46:55):
to have a job, as opposed to focusing on all
the potential incredible jobs and lives that you can can imagine.
Do you sort of understand what I'm saying, Nikki, Yeah,
I can.

Speaker 26 (01:47:07):
I think what you need to what people need to
start looking at if they're in an environment at work
it's actually causing them some form of stress and they're
kind of like, I just have to do this. I
don't want my job is and their jobs are really
highly stressful. They need to start building into their lives
some kind of outlet that they can actually break away
from doing that and thinking about those stressful environments. So,
whether that's spending time with friends, whether that's time spending

(01:47:29):
the family, you need to have that outlet so you
can take away that break from your mind, from that
mental strain on your mind all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
I mean, just when it comes down to it, just
on the back of that nicky because a lot of
people facing burnout would then look at quitting their job,
and I look at that situation and think sometimes, and
I'm asking you the question here, sometimes that could add
to the stresses that they're facing. Right if they do
think I can't handle this anymore, I quit and then

(01:47:59):
you've got the financial pressures you're going to focus as well,
that can sometimes be the wrong the wrong move.

Speaker 26 (01:48:06):
So what I teach as well is that quitting your
job it's not the answer. It's the stress of in
the burnout that's going to follow you where you go.
You me to figure out what the boundaries are that
you need to see to be able to make sure
that you can break free from that burnout so it
doesn't follow you in your next role. You better off
staying where you are and working through that there. So
leaving the job isn't the answer.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
Yeah, because wherever you are now, wherever you go, there
you are. That's the same People leave relationships and then
and because of the problem, and they get into a
new relationship, have the same problems and realize that the
problem was them and not the previous person. So you
go to you've got to try and sort yourself out. Hey,
thank you so much for talking to us, Nickie Sylvesta.
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 26 (01:48:46):
But never begin this. I've not done this before, so
thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Yeah, absolutely so really good to chat with you, Nicki.
Is that Thanks very much again and have a great
afternoon you too.

Speaker 23 (01:48:57):
Thanks so much.

Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
That is Nicki your Sylvesta well being coach. If you
want to go check out our articles on the New
Zealand Herald right now. The headline is why burnout peaks
at this time of the year and how to beat it.
We are taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. If you've been burnt out in the past,
how did you deal with it and what was the situation?

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
It is sixteen to four or is it just a
sign of weakness?

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
A fresh take on took back. It's Matt Heath and
Tyler Adams Afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty US Talks b Afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
So we are talking about burnout.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
An expert that we just spoke to on the phone,
Nikki Silvesta, says that burnout typically peaks around this time
of the year, mid October, when deadlines, expectations, and life's
demands start heading the tipping point.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
I just realized that one of the theories that I
was expousing over the year before is actually from the
UNI bomber, you know, the Union bomber and his manifesto. Yeah,
Ted Krasinski, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then what did he
What did he say? Well, he coined the phrase surrogate activities,
and that's what I was describing for things people do
like climbing the corporate ladders, pursuing, you know, chasing wealth.

(01:50:07):
And he believed it was fulfill the void left by
the loss of real freedom. And so it's always shaky
ground when you find out that one of the things
you've expoused comes from a murderer. So he and his manifesto,
which I happened to read, he believed that humans evolved
to meet I guess direct survival related challenges like hunting, building,

(01:50:30):
and exploring, and modern work replaces those with artificial goals
that never truly satisfy us. So what I was saying that,
you know, when you knew that you're hunting would get
the food that keept your family alive, then you felt
amazing every day because you'd achieved what you need to
do cheap. But now when we're trying to provide you know, food, clothing,

(01:50:53):
and how things for our families, we're pursuing these other
things like talking rubbish on the radio like you and
I do, Tyler. Yeah, And it's slightly it's separated from
the thing that we're evolved to do, even though it
is actively feeding and clothing our families. The reason why
we may feel burnout and we may feel a lack
of meaning is because we've moved away from that principal thing.

(01:51:17):
And absolutely not supporting the Union bomber or anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:51:20):
No, it was a complex character, I mean no doubt
about it. He had an IQ of about one sixty, right,
so incredibly smart lost his way towards the end.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
Part.

Speaker 3 (01:51:30):
It's not to say someone like the Union bomber can't
have some rational, intelligent ideas.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Yeah, I mean it's an interesting moral situation because he
said he did that bombing so he could get the
Washington Post to print his manifesto, and he said, I'll
stop bombing if you print the manifesto. And I always
found the story interesting. So I read the manifesto and
his ideas have got into my head and I've sheared
them without forgetting that it was from the unibomb.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
Complex character for sure. Yeah. Oh, one hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
The sex said. The problem with workloads today is it's
not nine to five anymore. It can be nine to
ten at night. Some jobs want you to ready at
any time, so people aren't getting any resk from work.
And you know, just the thing we were talking about
in the air, Brake Tyler, Yeah, was the idea of
in terms of that rest and getting some rest, just

(01:52:20):
leaving your phone at home if you leave the house huge,
if you're walking the dog or any situation, you can
to leave the phone in another room and so you
actually do stop working.

Speaker 14 (01:52:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:30):
Absolutely, you're talking about raw dog, And I thought there
was a bit crazy, But generally when I leave the
phone at home now, if I take the Dog for walk.
I'm a bit antsy for about fifteen minutes, then just
this almost calmness washes over me, thinking the world ain't
going to collapse if I don't have my phone on me.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
Yeah. Well, it's main character syndrome that you think that
you need to be in contact with the world. There's
a lot I wrought raw Dog the Devenport half Marathon
good Man. I didn't know music nothing, No jeez, impressive, Mike,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
Hey guys, are you very good?

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Thank you. Keen to hear your thoughts on burnout.

Speaker 13 (01:53:07):
Well, it's takes up on a lot of people. I'm
like a lot of people in New Zealand own own
business and it's something that you carry with you twenty
four to seven. You can't leave the office and part
of that is management of people and all of the
stresses of everything that relates to that, and the financial
ownership that you have because no one else is going

(01:53:28):
to solve your problem for you. So when you're in
that management type role or a role where it's all
down to you and you don't have any other you
don't have any other options to break that and go
and leave or do something like you would if you're
an employee, the stress will build up. It's just constant.

(01:53:51):
Same with people who are in emergency services. Stress affects
everybody differently. Everybody has pressure that's external, and stress is
in your internal response to it. And what stress is.
One person won't streat someone else out, But we're designed
to get a burst of a dreamline and run away
from a threat and has a high stress slode for

(01:54:13):
a short period of time. We're not designed to have
ongoing stress day and day out, and your job or
your vocation, or your relationship or anything else. So we're
all at risk.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
Yeah, I'm nicely setting and I think a lot of
experts would would indicate that you're right that stretch level
that a lot of people are facing. Now just quickly, Mike,
because we're almost out of time. But did you figure
out how to deal with that?

Speaker 14 (01:54:38):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:54:39):
I did.

Speaker 12 (01:54:40):
I cut my hours down.

Speaker 13 (01:54:43):
And you know, part of the evolution of any business
as it has to have succession and you've got to
bring other people into it. You can't. There's an old
thing about being engineers with a thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
Yeah, great call. Thank you very much for giving us
a call, Mike. It is seven to four back in
the month, the.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:55:09):
News Talks Here be it is five to four. Great discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
Yeah, and just one last time, Good boy, Rocky, Good Boy, Rocky.
Rocky's a dog that set his first day at home
today by himself. He's done well as the owner is out,
so we've been asked to keep Rocky company because he
was listening to the radio. Good on you, Rocky. Anyway,
Thank you so much for listening to the show. Had
a great time, so many great calls and text. The
Matin Tyler podcast will be out very soon. The great

(01:55:37):
and Powerful Paul Holmes broadcast over the year hither duply
selling us up next. But right now, Tyler, my good friend,
why am I playing this song where the Beatles Norwegian would?

Speaker 3 (01:55:47):
Now this is going to show my no Norwegian would,
of course, because we hit that great chat about trees
and hedges, and it turns out there's a lot of
people very knowledgeable about poisoning protected trees in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
You're one hundred percent correct, although apparently it was a
bit of a double one Fondre about a one night
stand from John Lennon. I'm Spicy, Yeah, absolutely fantastic song.
All right, thank you for listening. Talk tomorrow afternoon. Give
them a taste of Kiwi from us. All right, then bud.

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