Full Show Podcast: 08 October 2025

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Hello you great you Zillis. Welcome to Men Tyler Full
Show Podcast number two one seven four Wednesday, the eighth
of October twenty twenty five. Fantastic show today.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
We didn't huge. We didn't get to the topic on.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Skills, reading a compass, reading a map, your handwriting.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
You know, because the other two topics went off, went.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Off huge, hundreds and hundreds of text.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
The last topics might be a new low. But apparently
you make up your own mind. Yeah yeah, look.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Forward to that.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
It was a doozy all right, all right, download, subscribe
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Speaker 1 (00:55):
Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Bekdad to you. Welcome into Wednesday show.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
I hope you haven't a great afternoon, and thank you
very much so for listening to us.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
As always, get a map, get a Tyler. Hey, this
morning I was walking up Mount Eden with my lovely partner.
We went for a very early morning walk to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
The sunrise romantic.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
It was beautiful, Yeah, fantastic. But I was punishing her
with facts on the way up. Fun facts, yep, and
she pretended that they were interesting, so I thought I'd
share them with everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Please. Who doesn't like a fun fact? Yeah, there's better
be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
So that was sort of historical facts and time time
based facts.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Okay, time based facts. I like this, So you're ready
for the ones? Ready for it?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Is what I regaled her as we walked up Mount Eden. Ok,
sharks have existed longer than trees.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
It's a good fact.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, sharks are four hundred and fifty million years old
according to the Fossil Wrestle record, but trees only came
around four hundred million years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
That is a great fact. How about that one? Yeap?
What about this one?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
The guillotine executions were still happening when Star Wars was released. Yeap,
there was still galantining happening in nineteen seventy seven.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
This one's a good one, Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Clear Petra was closer to having an iPhone than seeing
the construction of the Great Pyramids of geezer.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
See that is fascinating.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
So the Pyramids were made around two one hundred and
two thousand, five hundred and eighty nine to two five
hundred and sixty six pc yep, around that area, whereas
the iPhone was out in two thousand and six. So
when Cleopatra was around, she was closer to the iPhone
than she was to the Pyramids.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
That is fascinating. But it's a great fat What else
have I got?

Speaker 5 (02:35):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, this is a good one.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
The t rex exists closer in time to us than
it did to the stegosaurus.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Is that right? Yeah, that's long dinosaurs are around for
how old stigo?

Speaker 2 (02:45):
And today's oldest living tree in the world, which is
a Bristol cone pine, was already one thousand years old
when the last Woolli memith died.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Again, that is a fantastic fac thank you. See that
puts things into BESPEAKTIF, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:02):
I think I think we should start each show with
some of your fun facts. I doesn't have to be
time based. I really enjoyed those.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Used them all up. I don't have anymore. I should
have actually sprinkled them over.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
You should have saved some, Yes, because a I just
throughout seven. Yeah, we could have gone for a week's worth.
We're going for a week and a half.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Damn it. Love it all right, we'll work on that one,
but love it.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Fantastic facts after three o'clock today, this is going to
be a great discussion. The UK startup has designed a
new toilet with a thirteen degree forward tilt, so it
makes it so uncomfortable to sit on the workers won't
want to stay longer than five minutes. The idea by
the startup, of course, is to discourage extended bathroom breaks
and boost productivity. Critics, aren't you it is? Aren't healthy

(03:45):
and inhumane? Placing profit above basic comfort?

Speaker 2 (03:48):
I mean, you could solve the problem with the brick.
Couldn't you put a brick under the seat and you'll
be fine. But yeah, do you agree with this kind
of action to get people off the toilets?

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Would you run one of these at home?

Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's just to stop yourself sitting on their all day
doom strolling on the bog. I mean, is that how
we want to spend our life? Any part of our life?
This tech that came in before I find interesting. I
have an employee that uses the portaloo two times each
day for about fifteen minutes. That's thirty minutes times five days,
two point five hours a week times fifty weeks per year.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
That's one hundred and twenty.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Five hours a year, or just over three weeks of
consistent potty time. And this is Josh here, and he says,
I'm a dirt bag for working that out. But yeah,
three weeks of consistent potty time.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, one hundred and twenty five hours a year.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
You put that on a slope, and that guy's getting
off there a lot quicker.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, well, so what's that?

Speaker 2 (04:40):
But a bathroom at work should be get in, do
your business, and get out. So do your business, get
back to your business.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
I'll tell you what I've just realized. There is a
timer and the ends in me. Officers, when you go
to the.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Toilets, other lights turn off. Yeah, and that's kind of embarrassing.
That's humiliating. That has happened to me once, and I
can't see anything.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
You have to stand up and jump umping down to
the lights come back one. That's up to three, looking
forward to that after two o'clock. So handwriting, How to
use a compass, printed maps, dictionaries, they were essential life skill,
but are they still in a pre digital age? So
AI note takers are coming into doctor's offices. Now we
know that apps and AI is coming into the classroom

(05:18):
and obviously.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Google Maps, etc. In your back pocket. Do we really
need those basic skills.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I'm worried about the state of our brains and it's looking,
you know, research is showing that we're getting dumber and
dumber as things are taken off us. So we used
to remember a bunch of phone numbers. Now we don't
because they're all in our phone. We used to be
able to use maps, and we used to know directions,
but now people just press the button. It tells you
how to get from somewhere to somewhere else, and you
just follow.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
It just tells you where to go.

Speaker 6 (05:44):
Right.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yes, that makes you dumber because you don't learn the directions,
so I think, and you know, math is another one.
People don't do basic sums anymore. But I think all
those things that you do, they weaken your brain and
they make you dumber. And I think they mean and
there's some evidence that says that it could lead to
what leads to dementia.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, idiocracy.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
If brain aren't working. You know, then they just shut down.
Your brain just starts shutting its functions down that you
don't use. Yeah, so we may not need these things
anymore to get the you know, get the information we need,
but we may need them to keep our brains active.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Yeah, that's going to be an interesting chat after two o'clock.
But right now, let's have a chat about young people
in jobs. So starting next year, the government will tighten
access to jobs that can benefits for young people, expecting
parents to support them if they can. And Christopher lux
And our Prime minister, said we can't let young people
drift into wealthfare. He also said young people should do
whatever it takes to get a job, even if that

(06:43):
means going to places like Dargaville.

Speaker 7 (06:45):
I wasn't argable recently, you know, talking to the camera
industry desperate to get young people and to find out
that young people show up for work for a little
bit and then then bugger off and don't shot up
for the rest of the week.

Speaker 8 (06:55):
You know.

Speaker 7 (06:56):
And actually that's what we're trying to get. We're trying
to get those young people connected with work so they
can actually learn to show up on time, have a
work ethic, join a team, work hard, you know, and
get and get self worth from it.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
That's really important.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
So that comment there, I got a bit of pushback
from Labors Ginny Anderson, who was on with Mike Show
this morning.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Here's what she said.

Speaker 9 (07:15):
You've got a prime minister who's telling them to go
to Dargaville and dig up a kumra and that's crazy.
You know, they need some real.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Problem.

Speaker 8 (07:25):
And that's the problem with your view of the world
is that when I know, when I was a young
guy shippeting, I would take a job wherever it was.

Speaker 9 (07:34):
I got my first job. When when I was as
soon as I could, you're just you're just poop And
I saved And I wasn't pooping that I was saying.

Speaker 7 (07:41):
These no jobs.

Speaker 9 (07:42):
Available in the regions these areas are not saying they don't.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
You just used to.

Speaker 8 (07:47):
You just use the example of the Prome minister to
use and you're poop puting it. And so why would
a young person go to Targo to go and with.

Speaker 9 (07:53):
Because there's no jobs they mark that's the point there.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Are He did seem to be prepared, but your first
job should be rubbish, right, that's the whole point. So
it's not about you working into the greatest job of
all time and it's immediately filling your dreams and paying
you more money than you can imagine. I mean, that's
not what your first job's about, right. Your first job
is rubbish because you don't have any qualifications yet. Generally speaking,

(08:19):
I'm sure there are some people that worked and walked
into incredible jobs.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
You know.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
I'm reading this book now by Sam Gibson, a fantastic
book by a Kiwi hunter called Sam the Trapman, and
he worked in his walked into his first job and
loved it and has been there ever since. And his
job was trapping and hunting for dock in Fiordland, even
though I lived way up north. It's fantastic book. But
you know, he worked into his dream job. But his

(08:45):
dream job was pretty punishing. It was incredibly hard work
and a long way from his home. So I don't
know how good does your first job to be. I
think your first job is you sho hard. It's hopefully
the worst job you ever have.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
I've got to say the first job that I had,
first full time job out of high school, it was
working at Sea Lords, and it wasn't a bad job
because it paid so well at the time, but it
was hard.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
It was laborious.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
My job in the Sea Lord factory was we had
the line of fillaters for the fish and my job
was to put those filets onto a convey about. That
was that for eight hours a day, just put those
filets onto a convey about. And that was tough, just
mentally draining. But the pay was good.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
And I was sixteen years old. I had the energy.
I was able to do that pretty easy.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
So that was the outside of school, a full time job.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, that was my first full time job in the
sea load blunt wow.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
So I think also the advantage in that is going
forward every job that you've had, Tiley probably thought it's
a bit better than just laying out the crumbed fish
into exectly good fee.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
That's what was going through my mind for eight hours
a day and say, hey, this is good money, but
I cannot do this for too many years. This is
going to do my head and I need to do
something better. And that got me back into polytech and
now inter media, and here I am.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
That's a straight out of school job. That one you know,
hopefully you're not still doing that when you were you know,
sixty four. Yeah, very hard on people doing it. But
how did you get through that in terms of your mindset?
Because when you're a teenager, a you're pretty impatient and
you were pretty I mean not everyone, but there's this
sort of the I guess, the cliche of the workshy teenager.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
So it was just because you didn't have any other options. Basically,
you left school.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Yep, and so you had to work yep one hundred percent.
And people in Nelson knew that Sea lords. As long
as you pass the urine tests, you were able to
get a job relatively easy because you didn't need too
many skills. And I didn't have too many skills at sixteen.
I'd left school too early. And the turnover was actually
pretty high. There was a lot of people that would
come in work a couple of days and then you'd
never see them again because it was hard, hard work,

(10:47):
hard mentally and hard physically. For a lot of those workers,
I was just digging in. Heck, yeah, I could put
down those relates like nobody else. I hate their job.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
It feels like, you know that job would have been
under risk from automation.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Yes, yeah, yeah, very true. I was probably lucky. I
was doing it when I was sixteen, which was what
fifteen years ago.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
But it's kind of what we're talking about yesterday. When
the difference is between working and having no money at all,
then whatever job you have is more meaningful by virtue
of the fact that it protects you from a more
horrible outcome. Right, yeah, that's it. So you needed to work, yep,
and so this job was doable, right yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
And look at the time, I remember, M'm saying, you
got two options. You can either go and get a job.
You can go into tertiary and actually do some training.
And actually there was a third option that wasn't really
an option.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
She said.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
The other one is that you go on a benefit
and this is how much you're going to get per week,
because I'm not going to support you that much. And
that was just not feasible. So the only option was
to make sure that I dug into whatever job I
could get.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
This text to Nathan says, walked out of school at
lunchtime when I was sixteen. You I knew if I
went home, Mum would kick my ass. So went to
the local factory, got a job in a plaster factory
making plaster tiles to be sent to Papa New Guinea
from memory thirty six years later running away in plaster
and painting business.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
There you go, success story.

Speaker 10 (12:05):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
So the potentially terrible job and horrible job, that's that's,
you know, in Jenny Anderson's mind. Below people could be
the making of your entire career, your whole life. Yep, absolutely, yeah,
give us And nothing makes you fully understand what something's
worth until you until you start doing that math this this,

(12:29):
you know, this burger and fries, this combo. When you
look at that and go that to an hour's work
or two hours work.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, you know, yeah, puts it into perspective.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty So keen to have a
chat with you about what your first full time job
was outside of school?

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, well yeah, what was your first first job? What
did it teach you? And did you leave town to
do it? And I'd love to hear from from young
people that have have recently done that, just left school
and gone to a first job and what it's like.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
I eight hundred eighty ten eighties. The number to call
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eighteen past one.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
The big stories, the big issues to the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
used talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Be twenty one past one.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
So Jenny Anderson's saying that it's ridiculous to suggest that
eighteen or nineteen year olds moved to Dargaville to I
don't know, pick potato.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
What would we call dig up the kuma? I was
going to say, pit kumera, yeah, pit kumra. Off the trees,
good old GM, get up the cherry pick. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
So but we're talking about your first job. This six says,
so move to somewhere you will need accommodation. Will your
job pay enough? Low income jobs when living at home
with mum and dad is okay, but not if you've
got to survive in the big world at market rent.
But so the minimum wage now is is it twenty
three and a half dollars an hour?

Speaker 3 (13:57):
I believe you're right. Yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
So that would be close to nine hundred and fifty
dollars a week.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
There's some good mass, so twenty three twenty three.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Twenty three point four times forty, that's nine hundred and
thirty six. So nine hundred thirty six dollars. So if
you're going to be able to find a room, and
you know you're not gonna be able to rent a
whole house, but you'll find a room somewhere, some somewhere
to board for two fifty. Yeah, you've got that's that's
plenty of money to do other stuff peak here. Yeah,
so it minus two fifty from nine to forty. Yeah,

(14:25):
that's a lot of money left over.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
I mean, I don't know how. I mean, there's rent
and dargavill eight hundred dollars a week. You wouldn't think
so well, look I am.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
We are renting in Auckland right now, and we were
in a four bedroom place originally, and if you had
four people in there, four young people, that is two
fifty a week, then they would be paying.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
And that's a pretty nice place. Yeah, it was, yeah,
got on.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, And when you're young, like when I first moved
to Auckland to work in real groovy records, I lived
in a shed.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
You were so good. It was the best place I've
ever left. How much were you paying for that per week?

Speaker 2 (14:52):
I was paying very little for a week. I think
I was just contributing to the food in the flax.
There was like, no one wants to live out side
there in the shed.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah memories.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
It was on a Riki Street. Actually, I wonder if
that shed's still there. Hi, guys, you're absolutely right. There's
no greater motivation to getting a job than have a
bad one.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
It makes you wonder.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
What so called career advisors are filling our kids head's worth.
That's from Dave Glenn.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Welcome to the show Yday boys.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
Listen.

Speaker 11 (15:19):
I don't know what Jenny's on about. I started work
out of first term and university. I decided I didn't
want to do that anymore when and got a job
in a supermarket. I was eighteen years old. By the
time I was thirty four, I owned my first supermarket
right retired at fifty four after earning my second supermarket

(15:41):
for thirteen years. These kids have got to understand that
getting out and getting a job is the best thing
you can possibly do. You learn so much more about yourself.
You learn to grow up. Work, as the Prime Minister said,
work in a team, learn the human dynamic of how

(16:01):
to get along with everybody and actually make your own
way in the world.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, and it's not going to be your best job
that you ever have in your life. It's going to
be the worst job you ever have, ideally, isn't. It's
going to be the most most repetitive and mundane job
in the world because you're young, and you're going to
be broke, because you're supposed to be broke when you're young.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
That's the way it works.

Speaker 12 (16:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (16:24):
Well, well that's the crazy thing you just talked about.
The minimum age. Somebody earning the minimum wage is nearly
on fifty two thousand dollars a year, so they're about fifty.
So the reality is you can't say if you're seventeen
years old and you're on the minimum wage that you're broke. Yeah,
that's just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
I mean, we've got to take the tax off that wage,
as a lot of people are saying, I've just done that.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
So that leaves you worth on average seven hundred and
ninety dollars a week, you know, so then again still
minus two hundred and fifty and you're left a good
chunk over for food, for fuel, for other expenses.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I mean, you have to drink constantly when you're at
that age. That is expense that all week into your earnings.

Speaker 11 (17:07):
Yeah, met to be fair, you're not drinking Steinlager or
or stellar Artois or Heinecken at that stage, you're drinking
stag or or you know something absolutely.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Good country box mine.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
You're not getting on the espresso Martinez at twenty five
dollars ninety five a pop at Central Auckland Bar.

Speaker 11 (17:29):
No, that's exactly right. So you know, it's horses for courses.
And the problem with the world is when people expect
to come out of school or university and they expect
to walk into an executive job and now one hundred
and city thousand dollars a year with a cell phone
and a car and a personal assistant, that just doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
That also fulfills all their dreams, you know, financially and spiritually. Yeah,
thank you so much for your call, Glynn.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
It is twenty six past one, back and of MO
taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast,
do you.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
I have a training troubled?

Speaker 13 (18:04):
Over three hundred and twenty two of us have to
reset the license after officers allegi to accepted cash bribes
to pass practical test. Mark Rebel Johnson's the president of
the New Zealand Institute of Driver Educators.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Is this do you think a one off?

Speaker 14 (18:16):
We don't know an awful lot about it. However, when
you consider the number of driving tests that's happened well
into the thousands weekly, three hundred and twenty two over
a couple of year period is actually quite a small.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Number, and it doesn't make it right.

Speaker 14 (18:27):
Mark, No, no, absolutely not. I quite agree, And we
need to have faith in this system and it needs
to be look of thought.

Speaker 13 (18:32):
This all strikes me as being unbelievably third world.

Speaker 14 (18:34):
It certainly has that impression, doesn't it.

Speaker 13 (18:36):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Asking Breakfast with Maybe's.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Real Estate News Talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Sorry, good afternoon, due twenty nine past one. So Ginny
Anderson said on my show this morning that it's crazy
to expect young people to move to dargavill for a
job digging up kumitter. What do you say to that
sort of opinion? And also, what was your first job,
your first full time job when you left school? Yeah,
says hey team listening along and just abouit confused? How

(19:03):
many Kumera picking jobs you and this government think there are.
The issue at the moment is not wanting to work,
it's the lack of work. Recently seeing jobs at tank
and thousands of applicants, Automation has been taken over, as
has unique education, making it almost impossible to get a
foot in the door. Even in the trades, people can't
afford to take on apprentic apprentices. No disrespect, but I
think this spoils down to an ignorant, retrospective view of

(19:26):
a complex issue.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Thank you for your text. But there is jobs in
different places around the country, and we we keet to
hearing about that. And I think the point with people
are trying to make, and I think you're trying to make, Tyler,
is that it's not about finding that perfect job and
that tank in the city that you're in. Yeah, the
idea of your first job is the craptness and the

(19:48):
hardness of it is kind of the point. And the
fact that you go to a place you don't want
to be and work in a job and spend time
with you with people that you wouldn't ever meet, that's
kind of that's kind of a great start to life.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
It's massive motivation. It is a massive motivation if you
don't want to go to Dargaville and pit permitter, but
you need to because that's where the job are and
there are jobs in Dargaball picking committer.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Then that is going to give you motivation for upskilling.
And it's not all ye good, it's not all year yaheem.
Nice to go and pick cherries and bleham yep, that
was that's that's hard. Some people are very good at
picking cherries. Alan welcome to show.

Speaker 15 (20:26):
Yeah, Hi, only about a Dargabill.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Now.

Speaker 15 (20:30):
A few months ago, I was lived at a loose
end on the Saturday night, so I decided I'd go
into Dargaville and to see what was happening there, and
only way I came home feeling completely depressed. Now, Dargaball
is a great little town and people there are absolutely lovely,
and I'm not complast about that, but I'm just wondering
what incentive there is for a young person to move there. Now,

(20:51):
this particular night, there was now there was two a
couple of families wandering around down by the river, but
there was nothing else happening. As I said, there's a
door nail. So I was talking to something. Later, I
said what what what happening in Dargable in the nights,
and she got a bit defensive and said, oh, well

(21:13):
there was a play on with an English theme and
there's also a cinema. I don't know what was happening
that time, but you know, I was wondering what appeal
it would be for say, a young person to move
somewhere like that. So what what appeals to young people
there people in terms of entertainment, because I think we

(21:36):
need to look at that.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
But Helen, isn't Isn't that not on the point? Not
The point is that the places has got everything they
need that that the point is that you're supposed to
go and get a job.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
If you're not an.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Education, you're supposed to get a job. And if there's
a jog and job and Dargable then you might just
have to suck up that there's not everything that you
want to do there.

Speaker 15 (21:56):
I just don't thing that's good enough. I mean, the
needs of shot in the arm as bar is giving
them some incentive to stay here. Would a disc go help?

Speaker 14 (22:06):
You know?

Speaker 15 (22:06):
What what would appeal to to a young person to
move to dargaball where they knew nobody, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I get what you're saying, Helen, and that's that's definitely
a question for Dargavill needs to you know, in small
towns need to work out what they can do to
keep young people there and entertain. Absolutely, Allen, that's a
good point. But I guess the Dargaball part of it
and the Kumera picking part of it is kind of
just an example if there is if there's a job,
and I just look up here, there's a bunch just

(22:38):
on the site that I'm looking up of Koumera jobs
and Dargavill and so really just the point is it's
not the most glamorous job in the world, and it
might not be exactly where you want to be. But
it's just an example of if there's a job, then
are you should you go and get it? If you're young,
is it better for you to go and get that

(22:58):
job and the place you don't want to be doing
the job you don't want to don't want to do,
as opposed to sitting around and doing nothing.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Yeah, And to Helen's point, I actually think there is
a benefit to being in a place where you're earning
pretty good money or earning money at least, and you
don't actually have a lot of things to spend it on.
That is a good couple of years that you can
put away some decent cash. And that happens all over
the worlds. You know, you can't tell me there's too
much going on around minds in Perth, but people go

(23:24):
there because they can put good money away. That's kind
of the point. Yeah, hard yacker, good money, nothing to
spend it on, happy days.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
And with the minimum wage as it is, you know,
if you if you're eighteen or nineteen and you can
earn as much as you do in the minimum's wage,
that's not too bad.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Wherever you are.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Farming comes with a house. I'm in Topaua, live in
a warm three bed house for free, hunt my own meat,
and save sixty percent of my wage after tax.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Cheers JB. That is a good situation to be in.
Old dream in topaul, Oh.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
What was the first job, full time job you did
outside of school? Did you have to leave your town
to get that job? Love to hear from you, and was.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
The crapness of the job the problem a problem? Or
was it the crapness of the job that actually set
you up for life.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
It's a great question. Yeah, it is twenty six to
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Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
Thank you very much, ray Lean and we are talking
about young people moving two regions where the jobs are.
That was a comment made by our Prime Minister, Christopher
lux and he says young people should do whatever it
takes to get a job, even if it means moving
the Blazers like Dargavill. Ginny Anderson on Mike Show this
morning pushback then and she said it was crazy telling
young people to go to Dargavill to dig up Kumita.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, and I think I think we're getting bogged down
in the Dargaville and Kumera. That's just an example that
people should go to another town for a job. That
is an ideal, rather than sitting around and rotting. It's
a I've been trying to think the way to describe
it as the what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
It's the crackedness of the first job that hardens you
to find something better. The struggle is the point, not
the problem. Resilience is born from struggle. Making people do

(26:19):
something instead of nothing is arguably kinder then letting allowing
them to just rot. Yeah, I mean that's that's the
counter argument to what Jenny Anderson is saying, isn't it.
Here's Here's Davidson, Rural Reporter, High Team. It's just Davidson here.
My first job was cleaning toilets at Radio White Tucky
and Oamaru. Now I talk crap on radio for a job.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Well, that is a tough first job, the toilets at
Radio White Tucky.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah, the dios, the diet down there. In a more,
a lot goes through a lot of protein, a lot
goes through the system. Megan, welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
Here what I saw.

Speaker 17 (26:57):
I'm just laughing about that comments around the toilet, So
thank you for that.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
That's right, he apologies.

Speaker 17 (27:03):
My first job was probably quite a nice job. That
was working a post office. What I probably am thinking
around is the support that's for say these younger people
eighteen nineteen, say, if you are going to a different
part of the country and you don't have any support.

(27:24):
You don't have any friends or any family, but you
are going out there. You know, what can people do?
So they are supporting there. They're still children, you know,
they're young adults, but they've still got a lot of
maturity to go through. I'm putting it in if it
were my child, and I'm saying right, you know, these
are where the jobs are. It's all the way different
part of the country. You know, who are people that

(27:47):
you're going to be able to surround yourself with if
we can't be there with you, you know, all part
of that village sort of mentality of you know, you
start at the bottom, you work your way up. We
all have to do that. You know, what are your
expectations for jobs? Is it more that younger people needing
to know? You know, a first job may not be

(28:08):
your best job, but it's going to give you somewhere
to start from and there you build up. You know,
just looking around that support where you know it is
mental Health Awareness week after all. So just that's where
I'm coming from, is that I don't disagree with what
you're saying. I've had the rubbish jobs, but if we're
sending these young people out to go and set themselves.

Speaker 18 (28:31):
Up with their first job.

Speaker 17 (28:32):
What are we putting in place so that they aren't
becoming depressed or they're not having mental health issues? You know,
if these are children sending them out, what are we
as parents as a community doing to support them?

Speaker 2 (28:46):
So that yeah, that's I think that's a very good point, Megan.
But I would also say leaving school and not going
into employment or education isn't great for mental health either,
And oh.

Speaker 17 (28:58):
No, and that's exactly right. That's so I say, I'm
not disagreeing with you. I am agreeing with you that
we you know, we're all better as a society when
everyone's working and contributing. If we're in the village sort
of mentality. It takes the village, right, Yeah, But what
can we do to support these children before they go
out and they're going to be isolated from family and friends.

(29:21):
They might not have anyone. They're just going to this
job and that's all they've got, So what can we
do to support them?

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Makes a good point, And you talk about their community
support obviously, Meghan, but I generally think financial support for
these young people to take up these jobs and regions
outside where they live is not a silly idea, because
you get them into employment and say they get a
two thousand dollars bonus for doing that, That is not
silly in the long run, because you get them into employment,
they're contributing to the economy and they get a nice

(29:48):
wee boost there to try and set them up. And
I know they can go to WINS and they can
get some benefit and some subsidies there, but that to
me is worthwhile spend of taxpayer money to give them
a wee incentive, a wee bonus to go and get
those jobs.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
John says, I agree with the woman caller before saying
Dargaville has a poor night life and therefore the taxpayer
should pay young people of benefit.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Thank you, John. There's eighteen to two back in the month.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Talks that'd be very good afternoon cheer.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
We're talking about first jobs and whether you had to
move out of your town to take on that job.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
I wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
The sexy says, there are jobs about For two years
we've had different South Americans staying in one of our rentals.
They have continuous work and work for minimum wages. This
is work in the fields, et cetera, that any young
person could do. They are stoundard that our youth get
benefits for nothing. Hey, guys, suggesting the town should have
a disco to attract workers is ridiculous. The world owes

(30:47):
you nothing. Grow up here and do the hard thing
you need to do to move forward. Cessus texture, My
four siblings and I all moved away from our hometown,
good old dunners.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Ah, the garden city.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Beautiful to find, the pretty city. Christ Church is the
garden city. It's the pretty city, denied.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
You got some good gardens down there though, to be Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, I've had some good time in the botanical gardens.
Have to find work and move forward. I knew three
people when I came to Auckland. I got a job
three days after I got here. Tough few years, but
you do know, you do what you got to do.
Great show team, cheers Dino.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah. When I moved to.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Auckland to work, when I got out of Duned and
I didn't know only one person here. Yep, it's quite lonely,
But then I've been here ever since, and I've met
a lot of fantastic people. I think this is a
really good point here. Hey, guys, you're missing out there.
You're missing the elephant in the room, which is that
the younger generation have grown up in an era of
influences in crypto trading and then seeing people make hundreds
of thousands from doing nothing. It's a completely different era.

(31:44):
I think there is some truth in that. I think
just being bombarded on social media with just opulence and
success and and a lot of it faked. Yeah, it's
in that comparison.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Why aren't I.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
At this resort, Why aren't I on this private jet?
You know, this YouTube makers, this YouTube content creator is
making millions. You know, they're just bombarded with examples of piquette,
people making a lot of money doing glamorous things and
experience incredible things, and not seeing a lot of people
who are doing the hard grind.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Rich Creick schemes. Absolutely bombarded. Very alluring to see that
on on social media.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
That's a very good point. The Noora, welcome to the show.
If I said your name right, you have oh brilliant, Yeah, I've.

Speaker 19 (32:35):
Got some of the callers of its wing was a
lot of the problem with some of these young people
is they have mental health. They haven't had fathers, so
they need someone to guide them. So, you know, rather
than just say here's the job, they won't do it.
They won't have the they won't have the there was

(32:56):
all of itin themselves to do that. So they'll need
ones to say, right, here's a job. I mean, not
to hold their hands, but basically just to get them there.
And once they've got a job, that should be okay.
If the thought of it sets them out so they
can't think ahead of oh I can't do it. But
if they could only just do it, then no, hey,

(33:17):
this don't tell me. And it's good having money, but
it's just getting them there, you know what I mean.
There's a lot of mental health and they're getting them
up to pertectuma. Of those parts of children things might
be able to do it, yeah, have help and parents.
Then they've got to call it. Yes, and it would
be good if they could do these things. But also

(33:38):
if they could provide accommodation and have like hostels or something.
They said the buy in say buying thea's and for teenagers,
then they move to another city, you know, things like that.
So it's easy for the Prime Minister the same. And
he's got a point, you know, you get them into work,
but also have something there to buoy them up.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. But in the
best circumstances, Lenora, you would get into a job and
then there's a boss that comes a mentor and kind
of beats you into shape. I think I think the
what's this this is saying right now? It's couch rotting
or yeah, there's there's a there's a word this is.
This is a thing that's happening in China. It made

(34:21):
it which is called the translates as the great lie Down,
where people are just lying down and doing doing doing nothing.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
So I think I think you're quite right.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
It's quote Tyler Diurdon, our great wars are spiritual war,
and so it's all, you know, if you're broken spiritually,
it's quite hard, you know, And it can be very
easy just to say go and put Kumra and Dargaville,
but if they physically can't do it. Some kids can't
even get out of their bedrooms. Some kids have been

(34:50):
so twisted by by you know, the internet, and social
media and and the current ideology of the day to
the point where their their anxiety has been amplified, to
the point that little one going into a workplaces as well,
remember that first that first job, the first day on

(35:11):
your first job, you're absolutely terrified.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
Yeah here, it's scary, yep. And but you talk about
mentors as well, and I think that's a massive part
of it. Is every job that I had, there was
always someone and whether they wanted to be a mentor
or not, they were. And sometimes they kicked my butt
and told me to do better. And all of those
things made me more resilient and appreciate the job more

(35:36):
and realize the value of hard work because I wasn't
always like that. I was a real ship when I
was younger and gradually improved those skills to better myself.
And there were always people in any job I did
that that played that role. They probably don't know that
they played that role, but they did. And to your point, Vanora,
if there's people out there in Kumera fields, if that's
what you call them, and I'm sure there are, then

(35:58):
that can be beneficial to some of these kids.

Speaker 19 (36:02):
It's just giving them to be and someone just side them.
They're putting that first job even now that mind could go,
oh I can't, I can't, and then to get more
deference than hide.

Speaker 20 (36:15):
And way more so.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, and these these by the time you're seventeen and eighteen,
you're eighteen and nineteen. You're a big unit. You're an adult.
I mean, you can't just be forced to do things
like a parent. I mean anyone that's tried to wrangle
a teenager. Yeah, I mean it's you know, it is
more complicated than we're saying. But I think about, like, say,
your first job being terrifying. My first job, first full

(36:38):
time job. My first job was shoveling gravel down at
Donaldson's dairy and chopping down Christmas trees. But my first
that's where I worked on the holidays. My first full
time job was at Echo Records, and I remember I
arrived there and they said, you're in the back room.
There is a bunch of orders that have come in
from imports. People used to import.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Music back then.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
You couldn't just get it on Spotify yet to import
the CDs, right, And they said, okay, bring these people
and tell them that their orders arrived. And I was petrified.
To ring these strangers, like petrified. I had fifty strangers
numbers and tell them that their pure CD had arrived.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, yeah, I was petrified to do it. Yeah, like scared. Yeah,
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
It seems ridiculous now. I mean, I talk for a
living on the radio one hundred thousands of people.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
But that would be quite daunting as a seventeen year
old or however the old you were. That's a very
daunting thing. But then you do it and you think, hey,
it's not so bad.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, I look at you. You go from the good
to the very good. You move, you move up the
latter if you possibly can. Yeah, it is eight to two.
Back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams
afternoons news talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Very good. Afternoons. It is five to two.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
We're getting hundreds hundreds of techs coming through on this
topic about the value of hard work and weather. For
your first job, your first full time job, you had
to leave town to move to a region because that's
where the job was. Nine two ninety two is the
text number.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
The government is getting rid of the first hurdle. The
hurdle is that it is too easy to get on
the benefit. Take that away and there's an incentive work
to work. Yeah, I mean if the if, as we
were saying before, it's quite terrifying to do your first job,
then you probably need to be pushed into it in
some in some way.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah, you know. And if the difference is.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Having absolutely no money at all and being really annoying
to your parents, then maybe that that'll push you into it.
This text said works work. If it was fun, it
would be called fun, but it's called work.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Nicely said, very true.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Great conversation. There's so much full time labor requirements out
there for entry level jobs. Just look at the amount
of imported staff. There are a New Zealand job doing
jobs across sectors on and dairy farming, and there are
a lot of overseas farm staff for the New Zealand.
We need more young local staff coming through, even if
they start at the bottom. There is so many opportunities
within the EG sector.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
And you can do a lot if you get started
in the exit. So we keep this going.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Yeah, we've got full boards at the moment. And so
many texts coming through. If you can't get through, keep trying. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty. But we're going to
carry this over New Sport and Weather is fast approaching.
But'd love to hear your thoughts. What was your first
full time job? Did you have to move out of
your town for that job? And how crap was it?

Speaker 3 (39:16):
What did that build in you?

Speaker 4 (39:18):
And what was the crap job that made you who
you are today? New Sport on Weather fast approaching. Thank
you very much for your company. As always, you're listening
to Matt and Tyler. Hope you're having a great afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams
Afternoons news Talks.

Speaker 17 (39:44):
It'd be.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Very good afternoon. Cheer, Welcome back into the show. Six
past two. Just before we get back into our discussions
about jobs, just repeating the news in ray Lean's bullet
and the Reserve Bank has cut the official cash rate
fifty basis points, taking it from three percent to two
point five.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
You know what I know, it's a blunt tool and
there's a lot going on, and there was risks on
to twenty five and risks on fifty but that actually
fills me full of a little bit of hope. I
just feel like maybe and like these kind of changes
take a while to filter down into the system. They do,
but I think in terms of just something to make
people feel like there's been a little bit of fuel

(40:26):
poured on the economy.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Yeah, I think that's that's great. I mean I was
thinking it.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Should be fifty points last time you did. Yeah, but
I think I think this is a good thing.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
It's the green shoots we need right now. So I'm
very happy. There'll be a lot of people very happy.
I think I'm due to refix part of our mortgage
in about a month's time, so that's good timing. But yeah,
happy days.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
We just need the boardrooms, the CFOs and the CEOs
around this country to you know, they're talking about their
lack of confidence.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
They need to manufacture the confidence. Start taking some risks. Yes,
get amongst it. Love this door.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Fifty basis points, let's go ye is that if that's
not enough to stop you, you know, complaining and winging
at the very tops of our companies, and.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Then what is get on with it? Bit of confidence,
but of optimism, love that talk.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
We are going to catch up with Business editor at
Large for The Herald, Liam Dan very shortly and get
some analysis on that. But that will be very exciting
for a lot of people. Needs you to say, Matt
a better hope, a bit of green shoots hopefully at last.
But back to our discussion we have been having over
the last hour about first jobs and did you have
to leave your town to go to another region for

(41:38):
that job and how hard was that first job? So
here Prime Minister Christopher Luckson when announcing some changes to
youth benefits, he made this point about young people should
do whatever it takes to get a job.

Speaker 7 (41:52):
Few I was and Dargavill recently talking to the coumera
industry desperate to get young people into find out that
young people show up for work for a little bit
and then then bugger off and don't shot up for
the rest of the week. And actually that's what we're
trying to get. We're trying to get those young people
connected with work so they can actually to show up
on time, have a work ethic, join the team, work hard,

(42:12):
you know, and and get and get self worth from it.
That's really important.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
Now they got quite a bit of pushback from Ginny Anderson.
She was on the Politics Wednesday this morning with Mikey
she always is and Mark Mitchell as well, and she
pushed back on that idea of young people going to
places like Dargaball.

Speaker 9 (42:28):
You've got a prime minister who's telling them to go
to Dargaville and dig up a kumra and that's crazy.
You know, they need some real.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Problem and that's the problem with your view of the
world is that we're.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
No.

Speaker 8 (42:43):
When I was a young guy shippeting, I would take
a job wherever it was.

Speaker 9 (42:47):
I got my first job when I when I was
as soon as I could. You're just you're just poop
And I saved And I wasn't pooping that. I was
saying these no shops available in the regions these areas,
are not saying they don't.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
You just use that.

Speaker 8 (43:00):
You just use the example the Prome mins to use
and you're poop pulling it. And so why would a
young person go to Targool to go and with.

Speaker 9 (43:05):
It because there's no jobs they mark that's the point.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
That's not true.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
There are I mean the point was that there was
jobs there. But yeah, I mean that is a difference
of opinion.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Isn't it.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
And that's where it comes down to the crux of
this discussion today. On eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
so one camp says that there is value in moving
somewhere there to do a crap job in terms of
joining a team and getting some self worth, but also
realizing what a crap job is.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yeah, and you know, as opposed to the other option.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Which is being eighteen and nineteen and being on a
benefit and not being part of a team, sitting at
home potentially, you know, and we all know the mental
health outcomes of that kind of behavior.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Definitely. So it's not that the picking kumeras.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
In digging up Kumeras in Dargaville is the dream job
or necessarily and look, I haven't got anything against Dargable fantastic,
but maybe not the dream location for everyone. That's not
really the point. The point is that the best thing
that can happen for you is to get amongst some
kind of product of activity, a purpose in life, earning

(44:16):
minimum wage which is actually decent.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Yeah, I mean that it'll bring you nine hundred and
thirty six dollars a week before.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
Tax, good money. I wait, hundred for young person anyway,
I wait, hundred eighty ten eighty can you hear your
views on this? How important is it for young people
to take on those tough, potentially lower paid jobs or
inconvenient first.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Jobs to build that resilience and work with it.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
This six says, hey, guys, A very interesting topic and
not without its complexities. Many of those jobs have numerous challenges.
Many already mentioned some additional things to consider. It's a
lack of family, friend support, it's a remote isolation, recreation, etcetera. Also,
suicide is very high in many of these areas well.
D I don't know if you've looked into the mental
health outcomes of being on benefits and the temptations and

(45:00):
problems that come with people that aren't working. And you
know the fact that if you go on a benefit
straight after school, then across your life you're on average
going to spend eighteen years on that benefit.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
There's a big mental imping. So you absolutely be absolutely complicated. Yes, right,
we have got full boards at the moment. If you
can't get through, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
keep trying. It is twelve past two.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Back in a month.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Wow, your home of afternoon talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talk said, be.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
Very good afternoon, tub it is a quarter past too.
Is it fair to expect young people and move to
places like Dargaball for jobs that are available?

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, So the text of Scott says, how long is
Kumera a season? A couple of months? Then what they
got to do?

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Move to the next short time job. That's why agriculture
loves seasonal workers.

Speaker 16 (45:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
I don't think I think we're we're really fixating on
the whole actually, as the text that that's just come
through says, it's not about Dargaball or Kumera, it's about
other things. Luxon was mentioning, like work.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
If they are.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Joining a team and getting some south work. Yeah, I
mean you're not gonna be picking, You're not gonna be
digging up kuma all year.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
No.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
No, but if you can get off the benefit to
go and do that for that time, yep. Or you
know in this case, well you won't be anything at
all if you're eighteen and nineteen now and your parents
are in over sixty five thousand dollars a year. So
if it's sitting at home and not earn anything, or
going to dargafall to earn something. Even if it's just seasonal,

(46:28):
it's still better. And then sure you travel around and
go other jobs.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Yep, building some skills and if you work hard then
I'm sure once Kumita season is over, and we are
focusing a bit much on Dargable and Kumberna, but once
the season's over, then you can pick up another job.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Ouch, that's not very nice calling it a crap job.
I'm not calling it a crap job.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
I think Jenny Anderson was suggesting it was a crap
job and saying it was dradiculous that the Prime Minister
would suggest that young people go to Dargaval. She seemed
to be suggesting Dargable was a terrible place and that
it was and that wasn't a realistic idea that someone
would pick Kumera. But the thing is someone has to
pick the Kumra.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Yeah that's right.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
I love Kumita beautiful, but someone has to pay Okay, right, yeah,
I mean it's where we all.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
You may think that that's not a worthwhile job for
people to do, but people can't start at the very
top of an organization. They can't go they can't even
walk into middle management. You know, if you say, let's
say you're working in the film and television industry, is
something that you know, I still work in. You start
as a runner, and then you become a production assistant,
and then you become a production coordinator, and then you

(47:34):
become a production manager, and then you become a producer.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
It's not controversial, but you go. You always start at
the bottom. Of course, you can't. You can't walk in
and be a producer. No, exactly right. Uh, pret you
want to have a chat about moving for jobs.

Speaker 6 (47:49):
Yeah, no, I just made two cents on it. I
moved actually countries, not towns a couple of decades ago,
coming from very small village from India to beautiful town
Temoru and Sultailand.

Speaker 21 (48:01):
Love.

Speaker 6 (48:02):
Yeah, just saying please, young people, just things will start appeating.
Once you take the first step, things will start falling
in place, like you'll start making friends and you'll you
don't you'll start building a network and it builds. Chtector.
I worked in onion factory and timrou and from there
I made few friends. I've worked in kV orchards, kV

(48:25):
orchards yeah, so just yeah, get out of the house
and definitely things will start happening.

Speaker 21 (48:31):
That's all.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
I just wanted to say thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Cool Now, pray when you grew up. If you hadn't worked,
what was what would have happened? What were the options?
Was there was there if you didn't work? What was
the other option?

Speaker 8 (48:44):
No?

Speaker 6 (48:45):
Because uh, back home, like I never worked for anything.
My dad worked in government jobs, so everything was soon fed.
So he was asking me to become a lawyer. So
that's what I would have opted. But in that case
I would have had support from my parents.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
So your options become a lawyer or moved to Timorrow
and work in an onion factory, And you chose the
young infectory and Tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (49:08):
Know, because I always had this thing and me, I
wanted to settle down overseas. I wanted to experience the world,
what the world had to offer. Plus I was the
youngest in my family, so I had that leverage that time. Yeah,
so I went for it, and I don't regret any
part of it.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
So when you moved to Tomorrow, did you know anyone
there for it?

Speaker 22 (49:30):
No?

Speaker 2 (49:31):
No, no one, not a single prad And what made
you choose Tomorrow because I mean a lot of people
fly into Auckland.

Speaker 6 (49:37):
But yeah, now, but my qualifications were not off the
high level in neither my marks, so none of the
university from Auckland that took me. So Tamoru in Iraqi Polytechnic.
I was fortunate enough and they accepted my application and
I went for it.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Wow, what a great story. Are you still and you've
remained there for twenty years? Did you say?

Speaker 5 (50:00):
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
I was there for a couple of years and then
I moved to Oakland.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Yeah, okay, right, I was going to say, I was
going to start talking about Caroline Bay and it's been
hotel and the yeah, the avery and all that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
But yeah, Prey, thank you so much for you cool
pret See what a great story. I mean, that puts
things into perspective when someone like pret he decides to
come to Tomorrow to work in an onion factory.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Graham first jobs, your first job.

Speaker 10 (50:27):
Yeah, I'd spent my doldhoods in the back blocks of
Gisbon on seven thousand acres and dogs and horses and everything.
My first job was on the East Coast, an hour
and a half from Gisbon working for forty dollars a

(50:48):
week for sixty and seventy hours a week, five and
a half days a week because we had work half
day Saturday so and the other the other period of
that week you'd spend breaking and horses and dogs. So

(51:09):
really it was seven day week, Bob. But it was
all done because there was a passion. So for forty
hours a week, you you work seven.

Speaker 20 (51:20):
Days a week.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
So wow, when was this Graham.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
Ninety three six?

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (51:28):
So the minimum wage wasn't twenty three fifty back then.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
That's for sure.

Speaker 10 (51:35):
There was no wage. And the farm we're getting all
the sdmps in Bythenian But I mean, yeah, but it
wasn't about. It really wasn't about.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
It wasn't work.

Speaker 10 (51:48):
It's admission really, So that's what's that's what we've lost
now because no one has a passion for work. It's work,
isn't it. So you know, shepherd nowadays gets about sixty
to seventy thousand dollars a year to do the same job.

Speaker 20 (52:09):
And I will say that, and.

Speaker 5 (52:13):
They get hold, they pay and they get this on
that and.

Speaker 10 (52:17):
Huge, So see that change, That's what it's where I
really rang up to say.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Well, thank of you call Graham. So your phone line
is messing up.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
This person's angry.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
So you're saying that give up your lease and friends,
et cetera, to move to Dargable where there is very
little accommodation to put Kuma for two months. It doesn't
add up, then, what that's a misunderstanding because I've moved
for Blenham for two months when I.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Was young to pick cherries.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I mean, so the option that's that's so the option
is that you can't get the doll now if you're
eighteen or nineteen, right, yeah, so you either sit at
home and your parents have to look after you, or
there's a job which you could go to Dargaville. And
we're just really fixated on Daviagible because that's what the
Prime Minister was suggesting that Jenny Anderson was running down.
But even if it is just for two months, and

(53:06):
that's two months is a long time. It's a long
time sitting on a couch. Yeah, And so going to
Dargavil for two months and earning minimum wage, I assume
working with the Kumera building up skills, you know, and
there is accommodation yeah, you know, if you earning nine
hundred and thirty six dollars a week, there is accommodation.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
And it was never that controversially, just say you moved
to Blenheim. I moved to Motaweka just outside of Nelson
for a couple of months during apple season and that
was hard graft. But nobody ever said why are you
doing that? You know, what's what's the sense of moving
to Modalweka and working on apple orchid? Of course that's
what you did because I needed money over the holidays
to be able to sort my life out during university.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
So I think the New Zealand is just a horrific
place that if you're not exactly in the suburb that
you grew up and then it was just a hell
hole out there. It sounds like, I mean, there's beautiful
places all around New Zealand that you can move to them.
And the six says isn't forcing people to work somewhere
they don't live, akin to force labor in North Korea. No, No,
it's just saying that we that all the government saying

(54:06):
is they're not going to pay you not to work
when you're just for two years. Yeah, that you would
the responsibility of appearance if they earn over sixty five thousand.
That's just a two year period. I mean, it's a
big jump to say that's North Korea. And it's a
huge jump to say that moving to Dargaville to pick
potatoes is some kind of I don't know, moving to
the spice mines of Kessel.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
Do you think how good do you think the job
seker benefit is in North Korea? I mean, now, I'm
sure that's very lucrative. In North Korea, they really look
after their citizens.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Weren't working care be a break? Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number. How soft are people
where they think that it's akin to North Korea to
go and get a job in a nice rural New
Zealand town and experience some other part of the country. Yeah,
crazy town, Love it though. Twenty four bars to beck
in a month.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on news talks.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
I'd be very good afternoon. We're talking about excuse me,
first jobs out of high school and what did you do?
Did you to move from your town to work that job?

Speaker 3 (55:10):
And how tough was it? What did you learn from it?

Speaker 5 (55:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:12):
I think it was a bigger issue being discussed here
that wasn't just Dargaville and Kumra.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
But that's the way it's gone.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
And so it's great to have James here, who did
the hard yards growing Kumra back in the day.

Speaker 18 (55:23):
Oh yes, so I'll just turn off my speaker.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Hell, okay, where you go, James will wait?

Speaker 2 (55:29):
I could read a text well that we were now
where we're going to James, We're good?

Speaker 11 (55:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (55:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (55:38):
The most amazing thing about well they should be doing
saying it's a good thing to go here. It's a
great opportunity for you to go down there, you experience
a different part of New Zealand and and then pick
whatever there is. I grew up here on my twenty

(56:02):
twenty in the.

Speaker 23 (56:03):
Twenty nineteen nineties, right apples in Motueka, and I was useless.
I was terrible, and I was making a real hash
of it. But the guy knew that I was really enthusiastic.
So he said to me, well, what are you going

(56:24):
to the shed and grade the apples? And I'll show
you how to grade them. And see it ain't.

Speaker 18 (56:30):
I said, Okay, So I was on a wage.

Speaker 23 (56:33):
Eight dollars an hour, but eight dollars.

Speaker 18 (56:37):
An hour back in those days to me was heed
some money.

Speaker 8 (56:42):
You know.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
He put me.

Speaker 18 (56:44):
We had little batches and everything.

Speaker 17 (56:47):
You know.

Speaker 18 (56:47):
He had to pay like forty or fifty dollars a
week towards the power and that was it.

Speaker 23 (56:53):
They looked after you.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Yeah, there you go. Yeah all right.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
The stick says, Oh my god, New Zealand stopped crapping
all over Dargaball. It's not about the kumina. It's about
the young peoples taking ownership of their lives and working hard.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Nicely said, yeah, that's it. Targa Ball is a good place, and.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
The six is, hey, guys, what have we become. Our
ancestors would be mortified hearing us wings like this. People
that don't want to work will find any technicality to
show why they can't. This Texas says, it sucks how
much anxiety card gets played. Anxiety is normal. It's not
automatically a debilitating illness. I suffered panic attacks at work.
That was debilitating, but that's the hand. I got doubt

(57:29):
and so I had to work with my way through it,
not roll over and sit on the Benny and ride
away in a dark corner month after month. Hahaha, beauty mate, that.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Is a good philosophy. Yeah, well done that man. Yeah
all right.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
We're going to carry this on after the headlines. Oh eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty what was your first
job out of high school? First full time job? How
hard was it and what did it teach you? Love
to hear your stories? Also coming up after the headlines
with Ray Lamb, we're going to catch up with Business
editor at large for The Herald, Liam Dan to analyze
this OCR rate cut of fifty bases points.

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Wooooo.

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a fatal house fire in Buckland's Beach last week was
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(58:30):
The victims were a thirty six year old man and
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(59:14):
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Speaker 4 (59:22):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean say, as we heard,
the Reserve Bank has cut the OCR fifty basis points,
taking it from three percent to two point five percent.
For analysis, we joined once again by New Zealand Herald
Business Editor at Large Liam Dan Happy days ly very exciting.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Yeah, well, I mean you know something happened. Yeah, it
feels exciting, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Yeah, well, it feels like some sort of positive decision,
even though it suggests that.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
We're in a bad state.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (59:47):
Yeah, I feel like people are crying out for that
if the government's listening, you know, that's sort of that
sort of vibe.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (59:53):
I mean, let's remember that there are probably some listeners
who have their mortgage paid off or don't have a
mortgage and have some money in a bank and bank
deposits going.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Those people are coming through on the nine two nine
two around our woos, so.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
It's important to mention them.

Speaker 24 (01:00:05):
But I guess in terms of putting money back in
the pockets of a large chunk of New Zealand, this
will do that. The Monetary Policy Committee talked a lot
about inflation risks and then sort of talked about why
they could look through them. So they did warn that,
you know, inflation is currently two point seven, might go

(01:00:25):
to three, might even go above it, and so they
really had to sort of make the case that they
think things like food prices and power prices and the
rates and so on will ease, and that they're confident
that there is what they call enough spare capacity in
the economy, which what we would say is the economy
is stuffed enough to mean that inflation will keep coming down.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
So a lot of people, myself included was saying fifty
points should have been the amount last time, including members
of the Monetary Policy Committe. Obviously they weren't unanimous last time,
so were they slow? Yeah, did they miss a trick?

Speaker 24 (01:01:07):
Maybe, you know, like they don't always get it right,
And part of it is, I mean it certainly that
second quarter was uglier than people thought. But they did
actually say that they haven't adjusted their you know, that
ugly second quarter GDP minus zero point nine. They say
they haven't adjusted their view on that as much as

(01:01:29):
they might have because there is some weird accounting stuff
in that they think it will reverse out. And they
said a few positive things about the recovery getting underway.
Did they get it wrong?

Speaker 8 (01:01:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:01:41):
Probably, But I mean with hindsighth it's not for you
because you called it. But you know, they do have
to look at inflation quite seriously. But I think what's
certainly what's happened since that last call is there's been nothing,
nothing much to make them feel more heartened that the
economy is coming back on its own. They feel like
it needs that fuel and gene.

Speaker 25 (01:02:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
Yeah, just on that inflation question, I mean, isn't it
the case now that in general, we're older, we're wiser.
We're not going to be going out spending the same
level that we were when inflation started a skyrocket. It's
just not those same dangers exist in the economy that
is going to see those levels again.

Speaker 24 (01:02:17):
I would like to think that, but I sort of
almost can remember, even in that post COVID phase, people
going oh, well, this is different. This is going to
be a short term inflationary spike. We can look through
this one and it just kept going and going. So
you have to be a bit careful, you know, and
you are always vulnerable to you know, still don't know
quite what the final impact of tariffs and things will be,

(01:02:41):
whether that's inflationary or the opposite, because you know, we
might be getting cheap goods out of China and things.
But some of those big things, I think power prices
should start to ease, or at least the rate of
increase will ease. Food prices. We've already seen dairy prices
coming down. I think you'll start to see butter come
down on the supermarket finally, and so that should ease.

(01:03:01):
And then the more core inflation in the economy, which is,
you know, the amount we pay each other for services
and get things done. You know that's coming off because
people basically are more desperate for work. Then, you know,
that's what they mean by spare capacity. We're just not running.
The economy is not running at full steam by any stretch.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
How much lower can they go? The reserve vent must
be running out of wiggle room pretty soon.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Well, it's not bad. I mean two point five. They
could go.

Speaker 24 (01:03:27):
Well, they've implied that they'll go to two point two
five and that's sort of priced and expected by the
end of the year. They could go to two. If
things don't really pull up, they could go to zero.
They could go to actually, you know, if you look
at what Sweden did in like the two thousand and
sixteen era or something like that, you can go negative,
which it gets very very weird, very fast. They start

(01:03:50):
paying you to take money.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
I think, yeah, what's stagflation.

Speaker 24 (01:03:53):
Stagflation, Well, that is when you've got the two worst
things in the economy happening at once, which is higher
unemployment and higher inflation. And we've kind of got a
little bit of that at the moment, and you don't
you know, that's a bad place to be because you'd
like to think the Reserve Bank can sort of move
the lever to pull one up and one down when

(01:04:13):
both are and you know, when both are happening at once,
that is pretty ugly because dropping the dropping the OCR
does probably help inflation get a foothold.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Yeah, early early days.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
At the moment, it's only released forty minutes ago, but
any word from the bank sit about dropping some of
those deposit rates, those interest rates a little bit further,
I haven't.

Speaker 24 (01:04:35):
Seen anything yet. I would say they they did move
a little bit in advance of this. We saw some
of the one year and two year fixed rates come down,
so we might not see the fixed move too fast
until they get a bit of a feeling the market.
It's a feeling for where things go next. Floating rates
should should move quickly and we should start to see
that come through. Sometimes the banks are quicker with those

(01:04:57):
press releases.

Speaker 5 (01:04:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
They must be here, yeah, yeah, breather, yeah, absolutely, Thank
you very much. Liam.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
There's a bit of excitement out there in the newsroom,
so we'll see what happens over the next quarter.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
But great to get your analysis as always. Good stuff.
Cheers guys.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
That is Liam Dan New Zealand Heeral Business Editor at
Large and just repeating that news to Reserve Bank cut
the official cash rate fifty basis points, taking it from
three percent to two point five percent. We are going
back to a discussion we've been having about first jobs
and did you have to move from your town to
a region to take up that job?

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
And the crapness, the toughness of that job. What did
you learn from that? What did it build?

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
And I'll tell you what a lot of people are
coming through on a nine two nine ten. It's sticking
up for Dargaville and begging for Kumra.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Yeah, it sounds like a good place. So I haven't
been for a long time, but look on for it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
It's been turning into the whipping boy of locations and jobs.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Yeah, leave dogs alone. It is twenty one to three.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Madd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
They'd be very good afternoonser.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
So we have been talking about your first job outside
of school and whether you had to move from your
town to a region to take up that job.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
As has been asked of some young people in twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Dargaball Rules says this text. They have no information on
why Dargable Best Public lose New Zealand. That is important,
it's very Let's not turn this into kicking the crap
out of Dargable. Yeah, I mean Jenny Anderson has come
on friendly comments about Dargable.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Not how Dargable. We love Dargable, hear me. Welcome to
the show.

Speaker 21 (01:06:29):
Hello, how are you?

Speaker 22 (01:06:31):
I'm good, mate, I'm good.

Speaker 10 (01:06:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
It sounds like you're driving are yeah? You are you
on the road?

Speaker 11 (01:06:37):
Yes?

Speaker 22 (01:06:38):
Someone tucked over?

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Are you where you're driving between at the moment?

Speaker 22 (01:06:41):
Emmy, I'm just working around well engine area.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Look good on you. So your thoughts on this?

Speaker 22 (01:06:50):
I think a young one there too, plubly so mate.
I think the moments and some of their days just breaking.
Wrap them up and bubble wrap. Yeah yeah, check the
ars and get them out here to work. My first
job when I was when I thirteen, that's gone about
fifty years, was tricky. Meant in the chickery and seventy

(01:07:18):
five cents an hour.

Speaker 8 (01:07:19):
I was on.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Hard yacker, very hard yeacker, right.

Speaker 22 (01:07:25):
But you know it gave me self worth. I found
out what money was all about.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Yeah, that's key.

Speaker 22 (01:07:32):
I want I just wanted to make more. But the
thing was, my father said to me, he goes, I
wanted to leave school straight away.

Speaker 17 (01:07:40):
M h.

Speaker 22 (01:07:40):
And because I was starting in I wasn't allowed. So
when I said fifteen at the time, I said I
want to go back to school. He goes, we can
get a joke, you can live.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:07:51):
He comes back from the pub that night, he goes,
you start working tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
So starting work at thirteen was that pretty uncommon when
when you're at that age, hemmy and and and also
follow up question, how did you get the job at
the at the chicken factory.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Or the chicken coop.

Speaker 22 (01:08:09):
We lived out in the country and our neighbors and
I just went over and asked them. I said, oh,
do you need do you need a hene? And he
looked at me and gas, okay, I'll pay you seventy
five cents an hour. And I thought there was a
big money back then.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Yeah, well now that would take you, let's say twelve
they will taking about fifteen hours working at seventy five
cents an hour, and nowadays to buy twelve eggs.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Right, I realized that your pocket.

Speaker 22 (01:08:40):
A few at that, right, well, yeah, we're we got
given you know, half a dozen are and then yeah.
But at the end of the day, if you want
to work, you'll work.

Speaker 20 (01:08:52):
You go and do it.

Speaker 22 (01:08:53):
But a lot of kids, like I've got seven childs
on the mind, and the rule was you either go
to school or you get a job. You don't go
to school, or I'm going to give you is food
on the table, a roof over your head, news and
new socks, eve, anything else is going to be second head. Yeah,

(01:09:16):
well you know the kids that liked that, five boys,
two girls like that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
It's good philosophy, emmy.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
So when you were picking up the chicken the eggs,
did you think, even as a thirteen year old, I
don't want to do this for the rest of my life.
I'm learning some good skills here, but this is hard, yeaka,
and I'm going to push myself to do something something else.

Speaker 22 (01:09:39):
At that stage, I didn't care because I was making
myself some money. Yeah, the future hadn't been written.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
Yeah, thank you for you call hem me. So just
working this out, yeah, I think just going for this this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Some eggs here have just gone so I think eggs
are about eighty five cents per egg now, right, so
himy was working seventy five cents an hour picking up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
So even one hours of work wouldn't have got on
one egg. I would have got on No, I wouldn't
have got on money. That is hard. Yeah, that is
a hard first job. What a good man. Thank you
very much.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Finally we finally reached the point of our radio show
Tyler where we talk about the price of eggs.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
I love the price. It's only taking us nearly a year.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
Yeah, it's about times, right, take you more of your
calls on this. I wait one hundred and eighty ten
eighty Paul, how are you?

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:10:27):
How are you?

Speaker 17 (01:10:27):
There?

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Were good?

Speaker 21 (01:10:29):
You've had some good calls. Yeah, yeah, I just sort
of your whole topics that have brought back a swirling
load of memories for me. I my first job when
I got expelled from school for long hair was working
for the Auckland Drug Company in Auckland. But my main
interest was to, you know, to get into the music
scene because I was a musician, and so there were

(01:10:50):
times when I had to you know, leave town, leave Auckland,
and you know, if there was no work in Auckland,
the phone would ring and they'd want a drummer. And
I remember driving this nearly fifty years ago. It was
beginning of seventy six and i'd been out of work
for about five months in Auckland and a band that
had seen me playing when they'd been up in Orkland.

(01:11:12):
They rang up and said, you want to come down
to christ Church and we've got a residency starving. So
I remember borrowing the money off a father, was some
petrol and me and a mate jumping in the fifty
nine chev bealle Atre and driving down to Crowschis to
play in the band, with all the drums in the
back seat and everything. And I joined the band and
there and one of the big things about when you're young,

(01:11:33):
you're your physical peak and you've got all that sort
of resilience and you know in confidence, and that's the
time when you should take those risks and take those
chances because you also you don't realize at the time,
but you're you're you're building important relationships which will pay
off in the future. And when I was in that

(01:11:53):
band in Chraischich, we needed we needed a guitarist and
I knew have a guy in Auckland that was out
of work. His name was Kevin, and so we ran
Kevin is there, Kevin, do you want to come down
to Christich So he came down and he played in
the band We're there for about a year, and then
a couple of years later he went to Australia and
because he put a man together called my Sex, and

(01:12:16):
he rang me and before we're just about to go
to Sydney, do you want to come across with? And
I was And now that was a time when I
was too scared to take the leap, and I said, oh, no,
I've got I've got because I was playing in a band,
and I said no, thanks Kevin. You know, I hope
everything goes well for you. And and of course that
I regret not taking that job. But then a couple

(01:12:38):
of years later they needed a drummer again and he
rang me, and so on eighty one I went to Sydney.
But yeah, I look back now and I'm so glad
that I did, So.

Speaker 17 (01:12:48):
Were you and My.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Sex For you know songs like Blue Day, which is
one of them. Yeah, Blue Day is that song is
so good. It's one of the most underrated compositions in
New Zealand music history. I just think Blue Day is
an incredibly well written, well played It's a fantastic song.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Blue Day.

Speaker 21 (01:13:07):
Yeah show there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Yeah, another one that I regret.

Speaker 21 (01:13:12):
I almost I was off at a job and split
ends well. In nineteen seventy four, I was only eighteen
and they Eddie Rayner came around with Tim Finn to
my parents' price and they sat on the couch and
they said, Paul, we're just about they go to England.
Because I'd played with Eddie Rayner in another band, in
a pub band and orphan, and so Eddie when they
needed a drummer, Eddie thought of me, and so they said, Paul,

(01:13:36):
do you want to join the band? We need a
drummer and we're off to England. And I was too
scared to go. I just thought yeah. I thought about
it for like a day or two and then I
said no, I can't make the move. So there was
one time when I there was just too much of
elite to actually go to England. You know, I was
only eighteen, but yeah, yeah, no, definitely did. My advice

(01:13:56):
to young people use that resilience and you've got your
physical peak and if it means leaving town. It's going
to be exciting and you'll meet new people and you'll
create relationships, relationships which will pay off in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
So you Paul Dunning him, Yeah, ah, what a great
New Zealander.

Speaker 10 (01:14:16):
That's me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Good on you. You've loved a life. Yeah, we'll think.

Speaker 21 (01:14:20):
Yeah, it's funny when you look back at the time.
Of course, it's all just chance taking and you know, adventure.
But then you look back and you see there was
atual a bit of a pattern there, you know, because
you're networking and you and you realize, oh yeah, they
went into that, and they went into that, and so
it all makes sense when you look back.

Speaker 11 (01:14:37):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
So good to talk to you, and congratulations and everything,
and thank you so much for calling.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
Really a great show.

Speaker 21 (01:14:43):
I'll keep listening, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
I want a message to young people.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
Take every opportunity and you might play drums for my
sex or indeed split ends as well.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
Dunning them. Wow, incredible. Now that Blue Day song. I
don't understand why we don't celebrate that song more.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
I mean we do, you know, obviously, because my sex
you know, computer games great band obviously, but that songs
very very good.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
The people that listen to the show Man.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
Love it right, it is nine minutes to three back
very surely you're listening to Matton Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
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Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
A bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Z ed B News Talk zed B.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
We are carrying on our discussion about the first jobs
that you had, first full time jobs, whether it was
hard yaker, what did you learn from that first job,
and whether you had to leave your hometown for it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Yeah, and look, we're going to have to give you
a trigger warning like TV wondered the other night around
meat processing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Bob, are your first job?

Speaker 26 (01:15:47):
Yes, yes, I started the freezom works when I left school.
I got eighty dollars a week, and then at the
further down the track I started my apprenticeship. I went
down to twenty dollars a week. All right, at the
end of the day, I ended up being better off.
So I gave up a lot of money for a pittance.
But at the end of the day, no one could say, well,
this is your minimum wage. That was ever going to

(01:16:09):
happen because I was in a trade him. So I
demanded what I wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
And have you stayed in the Did you stay in
the freezing works industry very long? Bob?

Speaker 26 (01:16:18):
I was there for seven months until my apprenticeship started.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Right, and then after the apprenticeship did you stay in
that career?

Speaker 11 (01:16:30):
I did until my.

Speaker 26 (01:16:31):
Wife died, and then it was a little bit hard
to stay in engineering. So then I am lover further
down the track, I went into carpentry, and I did
an apprenticeship in carpentry, which I'm still doing now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
And so with you with your job, Bob, did you
have to leave town, leave your hometown to go to
the job and the freezing works?

Speaker 19 (01:16:49):
No?

Speaker 11 (01:16:50):
No, it was sort of.

Speaker 26 (01:16:51):
I used to catch the train.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Right all right, okay again, but then further.

Speaker 26 (01:16:57):
Down the track where once I had done my apprenticeship,
then I ended up leaving town because I made a
female that ended up getting married to and of course
the yeah, then.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
It works, Yeah, yeah, that's the whole point of it.
You want to do that's you want to start a job? Yep,
maybe in another town, maybe not, but it's at the
bottom of the rung.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
It's hard work. It builds character. Find a nice lady
or a man for that matter. Yep, sit it down
and you meet a partner, Yeah, and then you start
a life. That's the key, we dream right there. Yeah.
The struggle is the point, it's not the problem. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
And resilience is born from struggle, as they say, Yeah,
I think that's the whole point of this conversation, right, Yeah,
it's the crapness of our first jobs that harden us
up to find something better exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Yeah, and you might and your exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
It's a nice bonus, great discussion. Thank you very much
to everyone who phoned and called on that. Really enjoyed
that two hours. Goodness, gracious, where does the time go
when you're having fun new sport and weather is fast approaching?
Great to have your company is always on this Wednesday afternoon.
Hope you're having a great day. By the way, and
if you haven't heard it, just repeating that news from

(01:18:03):
the Reserve Bank they have cut the ocr by fifty
basis points. That is a big one and so there's
a bit of excitement to many quarters about that cut.
So there'll be more on that as the afternoon progresses.
Stay right here, we'll be back very surely.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Your new home for insateful and entertaining Talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Sebby afternoon to you. Welcome back.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
It is six pass three, the final hour for us
on a Wednesday afternoon. It's going to be into an
interesting chat. So a UK startup has designed a new toilet.
This toilet has a thirteen degree Ford tilt, so it
makes it It.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Is crazy, isn't it. But it's a great picture. It
is a great picture. Look it up if you can
so a thirteen degree Ford tilt, yes, Tyler.

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
Yes, and that makes it so uncomfortable to sit on that.
They say workers won't want to stay longer than five minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Yeah, so it's about productivity because I don't know if
you've ever done this, Tyler or listeners now one one
hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two. Some
workers will nip off to the bathroom and just sit
there and do nothing when they're on your on the clock.
It's a bit bat and like I've read this out
before today, but it's the text we got through from Josh.

(01:19:24):
I have an employee that uses the portloo two times
each day for about fifteen minutes. That's thirty minutes times
five days, that's two point five hours a week. Times
fifty weeks per year, that's one hundred and twenty five
hours a year, or just over three weeks of constant
potty time.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
I know, I'm a dirt bag for working that out.
Still cheers Josh.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Yeah, I mean, so if Josh employed this situation with
the thirteen degree angle, I mean, no one's going to
be spending one hundred and twenty five hours a year
at sitting on a thirteen degree angle, are they.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Josh will be a top cup customer for this company.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I say, when you go
to the UK and and bus stops, the benches are
such that you can't that you know, homeless people can't
sleep on them.

Speaker 5 (01:20:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
Yeah, they're just full up with people sleeping on them.

Speaker 5 (01:20:10):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
So they've already pitched it to officers, train stations as
you mentioned in shopping centers, and the company reckons it
could save billions and lost work hours. But I don't
know is this a step too far?

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
No doubt about it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:23):
There's a lot of people who waste a lot of
time on a toilet because you've got a phone, You've
got the world in your pocket. And wordle for example,
very very addictive and hand up. I've been known to
sneak into the toilet to just have a wee bit
of a go at whirdle or the mini crossword that
you got me into on my dime in your time.

(01:20:43):
But the thing is with this job, I've only got
five minutes anyway, So it doesn't matter if it's tilted
or not. I've got to get back here. You know,
We've got to radio sha and.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
As has been litigated across most of the shows on
news talk Z'B. The bathrooms are about two hundred and
fifty meters miles away. That's where I get my steps
in every day.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Going to the bathroom. It's good workout.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
I mean, I can't believe that my cost came hasn't
thrown as and toys until they put it on suite
in here for us. Yeah, there was a lot of
talk about that, but yeah, you know it wasn't there anyway.
That's another issue.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Yeah, that's another issue where we'll get the urine or
win here one day.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
So you know this this text here says toilet time
is sacred, a sanctuary, the last best in of Western freedoms.
I knew they were coming for my toilet times?

Speaker 5 (01:21:23):
This is text?

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Agree with that?

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
So is that a problem for you as an employer
because it does seem a little bit invasive. And I've
got to say, Josh, going through in timing is employee
down to the minute, does seem a little bit invasive.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
There's something a little bit odd about it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Yeah, but are you owed a certain amount because you know,
you owed a certain amount of lunch breaks and you
owed a certain amount of risk times smokos as though
once called. Yeah, but how much toilet time are you owed?
And if you're an employer, doesn't annoy.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
You that your employees are spending that much time? And
would you consider employing a thirteen and a half degree angle?

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
I mean, I can see how you can hack this.
You just take a brick in there and you put
it on your that toilet set up to up to flat,
up to level.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
That is some smart thinking. Yeah, there's loopholes around this idea.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
Yeah, but I've got to say I have worked a
job before where there was designated toilet time. So if
you wanted to go to it was almost like a prison. Actually,
now I think about it, if you wanted to go
to the bathroom. You had to ask the boss and
then the countdown started. So if you were longer than
ten minutes, someone would come and look for you and
say what's going on? So is that what we want
to places up and down the country? This idea of

(01:22:35):
a tilted toilet so you don't spend too long in
the toilet love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
This texta says, I'm listening to you two clowns right
now while on the site portaloo. Well, good on you
can you what kind of angles that on is that
you want to spend longer than five minutes in there?
If you're listening to us, well, I mean a.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
Thirteen degree angle? Or just blast Tyler and I into
the portaloo and that'll get people out just as quickly.
Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
Do you worry about how much time your employees spending
the toilet? Or as that texter said, is that the
one century we've got left in our working world.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Sex has worked with a guy who used to do
little work, then go sit on the porter loose on
work sites for twenty minutes at a time, three times
a day. We clude on and put palettes of bricks
in front of the door more than once. Also used
to throw rocks down the vent to splashes. US cheers
for that tailor. Yeah, I love that combating any way

(01:23:28):
you can.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Whilst it says are you middle class twerps? Paid by
the Employers Association? No, we played by news talks 'db Yeah, thankfully.
If they pay that, well, I don't know the association. No,
we're not paid by the Employers Association. Yeah, but we
are twips. I'm not sure if we're middle class No,
probably sort of. I'm lower lower yeah, yeah, lower middle
classes look forward to reaching middle class. But it's some

(01:23:55):
time to come. It is twelve past three, but we
are twerps.

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
Used talks'd be for a good afternoon to you. So
we're talking about this UK startup. It's designed a new
toilet with a thirteen degree forward tilt makes it so
uncomfortable to sit on that workers don't want to stay
longer than five minutes. It's in a bid to combat
increasing numbers of workers, they say, who are effectively slacking
off and using the duney as an excuse.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Well, in New.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Zealand, you're entitled to breaks. It's determined by your work period.
You get a ten minute paid rest break for every
two to four hours of work, so ten minutes over
two to four and a thirty minute unpaid meal break
after four hours of work.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Yeah. For example, if.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
You're working between six and ten hours, entitles you to
two paid rests and one unpaid meal break. So people
try and augment that worth a bathroom break. And so
whether you need to go or not, I mean because
because a boss is you know, questioning about someone heading
off to the bathroom if they need to go. If

(01:24:55):
youve got to go, you got to go right, Yeah,
So to most people add what would it be acceptable
to add two to ten minute bathroom breaks in the day.
So you get a ten minute paid rest break every
two hours and the thirty minute unpaid meal break. But
how many bathroom brakes are you allowed?

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
I'd say at least two, maybe three. I mean then
if you're a smoker, on top of that, then you
get another ten minutes to go have an oak.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
And then what do you do if people are taking
the piss taking a piss. You see what I'm saying. Yeah,
the text says line the toilet with aluminum so you
can't get any reception. Oh and this another text just
came in said, I lined my toilet cubicles at my
business with steel sheets, so there was no cell phone
data reception.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Toilet break durations reduced markedly.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
That is smart thinking. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Nine two ninety two
is the text number? Ways that you slack off at work,
or an employee or a work made or a colleague
get slapped off at work.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
This seems a bit far.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
We need a registry of those who take phones into
dunnies as they handle their phones all day in the
in the public places.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
Where would you print that registry?

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
That'd have to be an honesty system. Plenty of texts
coming through on nine to nine to two CIA, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Teachers know about no toilet time can go if it's
a class time. Can't go if it's a class time,
as not enough teacher aids and breaks are too precious.
By the time we leave the classroom, we lose about
five minutes of a twenty minute break. Also, where we're
short of time. If there is duty sports practice and
meeting with kids or performing arts meets up. Typically we
don't go until after school when we get home again.

(01:26:33):
Cheers TJ.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
So teachers are just running powerful pelvic floors, clearly massive
ladders to hold it for that long? Do they have
powerful power? Do they have pelvic floor exercises that teachers college?
Sounds like you're going to have to strengthen. You have
to hold it for six hours at least.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Because on this show, Tyler and I toddle off to
the bathroom after every I'm hydrating heavily because I'm running
a schedule training for this marathon. Yeah, so I'm on
the I'm hydrating a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
I count down after forty five minutes, I need to
run to that urinal. You screamed, you sprinted. I did
hear what's wrong with you? And I had to say
in front of you everybody, I need to go potty.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
People thought there was a people thought there was a fire. Brad,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
Good guys, here going very good.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Your thoughts on this key issue for kiwis.

Speaker 27 (01:27:19):
Yeah, well, I thought, if you're gonna, you know, if
there's a way to defeat the thirteen degree incline.

Speaker 12 (01:27:23):
That would be to the reverse strad or in that way,
you could really be there for.

Speaker 26 (01:27:30):
A longer time.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
Massive loophole.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
This is smart thinking, and you might because this is
a UK startup that's selling these bathrooms. As soon as
there are angel investors find out about this, heck, they're
out of business. Brad, massive design floor, because of course
you can. I had a friend, actually, Brad, I'm not
going to say his name. I'll call him Al Parker
and i'll call him Luke P when I was growing up,

(01:27:53):
and he didn't know right up until we were an
intermediate school. They're still a friend now actually, And he
faced the system. So he was facing the button.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
Nobody told him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Someone walked in and said, what are you doing, Luke?

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Al what he wrote it the wrong way? Oh that
is too good. That is too good, Luke. If you're listening,
I'm sorry for sharing your your your eleven year old shame.

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
I'm going to have to try it now. Yeah, I
can see the comfort levels of that could be quite high.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Thanks for your cool, Brad. He's hacked the system. Yeah,
love it. Oh eight hundred eighty to eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
James is my dad and his coworkers would place bets
on how long a guy also called Dave. I know, Hannah,
that was a Doven Dave. So James is the text.
My dad and his coworkers would place bets on how
long a guy Dave would take on the work throne.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
I think we all know people, well, maybe not in
this office, but certainly jobs off had you know the
workers who nip off to the lure a bit too much,
and you know it's not a medical problem, because that's different.
And I think do you name and shame those workers?
If you see them running off to the urinals six
times in a day, do you let the boss know
they might be.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
A problem here?

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
Run that past me again time if you've got a colleague, yes,
and you know it's not a medical problem where you're
pretty sure, and they're running off to the duney yeah,
pretty much every half hour. Yeah, and I've gone for
ten minutes at a time. At that point, do you
dob them in? Do you say, hey, boss, I don't
normally dub anybody in here, but old old Pete. He's
buggering off every thirty minutes. He says he's got a

(01:29:28):
problem with his bladder. But I reckon you're going to
get a doctor's note yet, because something's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
I don't think I could look at myself in the
mirror if I'd gone to the boss to dob some
of them for their tour that time. If you ever
have love to hear from you e one hundred and
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Number the Texas says, we've had someone. We have someone
as part of a team until two pm each day,
but every day to ten am, when he is the
only person on, Judy goes to the bathroom for twenty
minutes and never asks, never checks if someone can cover,
never goes before other staff finished, just leaves customers waiting.
Idiot as if it continues he will lose his job,

(01:30:03):
or because he can't think that is dangerous.

Speaker 4 (01:30:06):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty eight is the number
of calls. So how much slacking off?

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
Is too much? Slacking off? And is repeated bathroom breaks
just taking the mick. It's hard to bring it up, though,
wasn't it, Because someone will just say, well, I've got
a tiny bladder, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 4 (01:30:21):
Very true, it's an easy excuse. It is twenty one
pars three back in a month.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight eight eight
on us Talk ZB afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:30:35):
So to bring you up to speed on this topic.
We're discussing as a UK startup designed a new toilet
with a thirteen degree forward tilt that makes it so
uncomfortable to sit on that workers don't want to stay
longer than five minutes. The idea, of course, is to
discourage extended bathroom bake breaks. They reckon it could save
billions in lost work hours.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
George, here, we need one of those new toilets at
our work. Got a bloke we call double O seven
zero intelligence, zero skills, seven visits to the toilet to day.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
Oh that is so good.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
This toilet has given me a great business idea. A
toilet in the mold of a mechanical bull bit of
fun where you're doing your business, then throw you off.

Speaker 4 (01:31:17):
At the end.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
I mean it's risky, very risky. I mean it's the
bathroom really about having fun. So it's like, is there
a need to make going to the bathroom more fun?

Speaker 11 (01:31:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
Because that kind of goes the other way, doesn't it.
If there's a mechanical ball toilet. I'm going to be
going even more times.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
It's risky as risky riding the mechanical bowl. I can
see how that could call pros' But you know, like
these people that we're talking about here in the UK,
they've they've got money for their startup with the thirteen
percent angled toilet for work productivity. So maybe you're your
mechanical ball toilet could.

Speaker 4 (01:31:51):
Go, could catch on oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty's number to call Peter, Welcome to the show there.

Speaker 27 (01:31:56):
You're going very good.

Speaker 25 (01:31:59):
About forty years ago I was doing an apprenticeship with
a government department that is no more. Probably a good
reason for that. And there's probably about one hundred staff here,
and the toilets are always a good place to go
to hide. For a while it was also known as
the reading room. It was always something to read there.

(01:32:23):
But a funny story, I remember one other chap went
to the bathroom about four o'clock. We not got four
point thirty. You know, people were lining up at the
clock clock by twenty past four because you're allowed to.
But anyway, this whole chap had gone to the lower
about four o'clock and fell asleep. An he worked up

(01:32:46):
and he thought, seeing it's dark here, and it was
about eight point thirty at night and he was one there.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
And then did he did he clock out and get
the extra hours or it's some good overtime more than like,
that's a great story.

Speaker 25 (01:33:04):
I just thought i'd see you that.

Speaker 28 (01:33:05):
You can you sing?

Speaker 11 (01:33:06):
Sing?

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
It's the name of the department is defunct? Can you
share it with it?

Speaker 14 (01:33:11):
Was the mow.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
Yeah, all right, yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:33:17):
There were enough engineers and staff there that they would
have designed something to prop the toilet seed after the
correct dangle, no problem.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
I was watching on the New Zealand, the New Zealand Archives, Peter,
a television show called Gliding on.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
Did you ever watch that show?

Speaker 26 (01:33:31):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
Yeah, that was set in the government department. I swear
that was, you know the office, you know, Ricky Gervas's office.
Years in advance. I think New Zealand invented the office.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
Yeah right, yeah, yeah, gliding or chip it out? Thank you,
thank you, Peter, You have a good day. Great story.

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
Oh wait, undred eighty, ten eighty the number of cour
plenty of texts coming through a nine two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Surely the answer is that they hand their phones in
before they go to the toilet? Phones are the problems?

Speaker 12 (01:34:00):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
Can you run a workplace where you bring in a role?
I don't know this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
It's just too much attention. And look, people will criticize
us and they are for putting too much attension on
the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
For our showair. But if you're a boss and you go.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Okay, new rule, you have to hand in your phones
before you go to the bathroom. I mean, what does
that do for morale in a workplace when you treat
them like five year olds? But then again, what do
you do if someone's going in there for twenty five minutes?

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
Yeah, well, haven't we bought this on ourselves a little bit?
I mean Peter mentioned there that he called their toilet
the library. That how many how many places like I've
got it at my home, right, I've got magazines just
beside the toilet, always kind of magazines whatever you want
if you want not those kind of magazines at a
house and garden.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
What else have I got?

Speaker 4 (01:34:49):
Yeah, whatever you're into. But most times around New Zealand,
I would argue there is reading material in the bathroom.
It's kind of it's a weird thing that we do
in New Zealand, and I think it's probably not just
New Zealand that does that. So we've bought it on
ourselves that we can't even go to the loo and
do our business without needing some sort of distraction while
we're in there.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Well do you remember those those the bathroom Readers? Yeah,
that those those books, the bathroom Readers. I mean they've
been wiped out of business by the part of the
pun by the by the phone, haven't they.

Speaker 4 (01:35:21):
Yeah, yeah, very true. Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty
is the number to call. Headlines coming up, but we'll
go to Ken first.

Speaker 5 (01:35:30):
Ken.

Speaker 20 (01:35:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, great show. Love listening to you.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
Oh thanks, Kim.

Speaker 20 (01:35:37):
But one thing I do think is that I do
know there's an awful lot of people who suffer from constipation.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
Yes, it's true, so they're likely to.

Speaker 20 (01:35:48):
Be in there for fifteen minutes. Yeah, but they need
to tell their employer that they have that problem. Then
the employer won't sort of get annoyse so much.

Speaker 11 (01:35:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
I mean see that, That's kind of my point I
was saying before. As a as an employer, you it's
not really an area you can legislate because you're absolutely right, King,
there are a lot of people with ibs and various
situations out there in the community.

Speaker 5 (01:36:12):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
Yeah, and you know, and there's no questions ask policy.
Really if someone comes to you there is.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
It to take your work in their type situation. I
mean it's hard on site, isn't it. It's hard to
go to the outside to do it. But if you're
an office worker, I mean we do we need to have,
you know, like on a plane where.

Speaker 4 (01:36:31):
You're pulled down the table, a little tray in there
that you can do some work on your laptop.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
It would be activity.

Speaker 5 (01:36:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
Hey, thanks for your cool King, Yeah, yep. Constipation is
a real issue. It's a massive issue. Not for you
though you're you're heavily into the Kiwi fruit Kiwi fruit
prunes brand. It's not a problem for your mate. What's
that pickle sauer kraut sour krat Yeah, good, good for
the bowels. Get it in you get it? Yeah. Oh, eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number of calls.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
So we're talking about slack slacking off at work and
uh to our people in your workplace using the taller
as an excuse to get an extra cheeky break.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
Yeah, and look, just so you know, people texting through
on nine two nine two hassling us for talking about this.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
Yeah, you're only encouraging us. Yeah, yeah, we love it.
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Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
Thank you very much, Raylen. So we've been talking about
this company in the UK. They've designed a special toilet.
It's slanted on a thirteen degree Ford tilt, so it
makes it so uncomfortable that people don't want to or
can't spend more than five minutes doing their business.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
I don't think they're going to be the next Elon Musk.
I don't think they're making five hundred billion out of
this idea. No, no, especially since that that hack that
we heard about before. You just face the cistern, Junior,
your work wants to start documenting your toilet brakes.

Speaker 5 (01:39:03):
Yareh one hundred percent? It just started today. Funny enough,
I finished break and then I jump on and start listening,
and you sure talking about what we were talking about
tool box this morning. But yeah, we have to write
down the time that we go to toilet and then
the time we arrived. My question was was what is
the actual law behind going to the toilet.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Yeah, we're just trying to get to the bottom of
that because this Texas says, here, guys, the purpose of
breaks during the days to allow staff to take a leak.
And so in New Zealand you're entitled to a ten
minute paid break every two hours. But according to this Texas,
so we should try and get old of Gareth Abden
or shouldn't we from Ebden or law? Because help the

(01:39:48):
answer to.

Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
This, because because how could you enforce that if you
need to go, you need to go?

Speaker 5 (01:39:52):
Junior, Yeah, one hundred percent. I work in the cold storage,
and I think for me personally, I worked in the
coldstore for almost six seven years. I tend to go
toilet more often if I'm working in the freezer we're
in the chiller, other than when I work in the office.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
It's interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:40:10):
Yeah, So that's why I wanted to know what actual
because I do get it that people have breaks. But
then obviously, like if you go to on your break
and then you kind of miss time to go to
the toilet because you don't really want to go, and
then you want to go after So I'm pretty sure
an employee can't like, you know, hold that against you

(01:40:31):
and kind of like, you know, discipline you for it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:34):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:40:35):
Yeah, yeah, and we'll look into the legislation hopefully as
you say, make get Gareth Ednor on the show. But
when you're sitting around having the toolbox talk and then
the site manager said, now boys a new role.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
We're going to make you documents your your toilet breaks.

Speaker 5 (01:40:49):
What was the response, Well, the thing is that, like
me personally, I've just moved from Australia and like, no
way in Australia the delegates will allow that. Coming back
to New Zealand, I feel like, you know, it is
kind of different where the Union doesn't really step into things.

(01:41:10):
And like when they said that, everyone went quiet, and
like in the back of my head, I was like, oh,
I wanted to say something is like no, you can't
do that. Yeah, but that's because I didn't know the
laws because obviously AU surely are different. I'm pretty sure
they're not that far different.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Yeah, and so how do they want you to document
your your your your low brakes?

Speaker 5 (01:41:32):
So when you when you basically feel like going to
the toilet, like you go to the where the team
leader sets and then you write down the time next
to your name that you you're going to the toilet
and then the time you come back.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
Sounds like prison, Yeah, pretty much in operation.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
Do you think people have people been taking ages and
ages in the in the in the bathroom or something.

Speaker 5 (01:41:58):
I feel like there's a few people that actually do,
and that's in every workplace, and you hear it a
lot of people taxing it in, but it's not fair
for the people that actually need to go to the toilet.

Speaker 3 (01:42:12):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:42:15):
Yeah, funny enough, Like today, after a tool box I
kind of like an hour later, I kind of wanted
to go toilet, and normally I like kind of power
walk to the toilet, but I had to kind of
detour to the team leader's office right down my hours.
But then I almost kind of like you know, went yeah,
right yeah, and I was like, well, I gotta go,

(01:42:35):
I gotta go. No, wait, wait, I need to look
for that paper.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
I was like, it's coming, boss, it's coming. I need
to go. Thank you for that. That's that's crazy. That
is crazy. A documents system about It's like it is
like the penal system, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Yeah, Men and Tyler. Funny but We had an employee
who used to take forty five minute toilet breaks. Turns
out he was watching football games.

Speaker 3 (01:42:59):
On his phone. It speaks to your heart, mart I.

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
One hundred and eighty eighty is the number of call
we've got full lines at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
I can't believe that guy has to log as toilet breaks.
It's pardon the pun, it's twenty two to four pun intended.

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
Apologies your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
Say'd be it is nineteen to four. We've definitely had
a nerve here. There are hundreds and hundreds of techs
coming through on this one. So this is a UK
startup designing a toilet to make it uncomfortable for employees
to stay in the bathroom too long. They say that
too many productivity hours are loss from employees are taking
the mick and using the toilet just for a rest
break instead of actually doing the business so to speak.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
So I think this is this text.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
Here is the problem with New Zealand at the moment
in our productivity. The text says, hope you too are
replaced next year. So bloody boring. You have reached a
new low with this topic. Well, why would you want
us replace next year?

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
If you if you hate it? What in your aim?

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Higher text and asked for us to be replaced now?
Putting everything off to next year. That's why this economy
is not work.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
It's people like you. Do you want us replaced? Why
not tomorrow?

Speaker 6 (01:44:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
Why not?

Speaker 25 (01:44:13):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
Why not before the end of the show?

Speaker 3 (01:44:14):
Why next year? Texter? Efficiency? Man, you are better than this. Yeah,
come on, that is what's holding this country back.

Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
People like you, You're the problem with this country. Be better,
be more efficient, get rid of us now.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
The sex is a good topic.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
I'm an employer and it irritates me when someone has
just had their thirty minutes lunch break.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
Then does the toilet extension? Yeah, that would be common.
That would be common.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
So you come back from your break and then you say,
you go right past your desk and get off to
the bathroom for another ten.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
Smart good strategy. Pete, welcome to the show.

Speaker 27 (01:44:47):
How do you guys? I'm just well, the time you
get two and from doing your business, she's roughly twenty
minutes a day, five days a week. That's an hour
and a half fifty two weeks a year. That's eighty hours.
It's two weeks pay for doing your business out of
a year's pay. It's common sense to me. I love

(01:45:11):
being paid to have a dumb ridden.

Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
Yeah, well, thank you, Pete.

Speaker 4 (01:45:19):
Yeah, that's one of the freedoms people would fight for,
is to be paid to do your business on the dundy.

Speaker 3 (01:45:24):
And I think a lot of people feel the same.

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
Actually, the sticks it says, I bet it's the males
who take the longest. I think there's no doubt about that.
Thanks Tammy. Yeah, I think there's no doubt about it
that men spend more time in the bathroom. Why is that,
I'm not sure, because arguably women have more things.

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
To do in there. Yeah, but I don't know what
I mean by that. Well, no, it is true.

Speaker 4 (01:45:45):
I mean, without going into too much detail here, if
there was some sort of signing system for actual cubicles
for the fellers and any other time you just go
and use the urinal, I think that would speed up productivity.
It's the sitting down when you don't need to sit
down that gets this country into trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
I think there's absolutely no one out there that is
complaining about people legitimately using the bathroom. You'd have to
be an absolute monster of an employer to restrict people.

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
And as Ken said before, there's a lot of people
in New Zella that are constipated, that's true, and we
want them to have jobs. We don't want them to
be productive members of society. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
Nice And look maybe we need to make prunes and
brand or brand more available whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:46:26):
That's another issue. But the point is.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
We want them to be working. I think the thing
that where it becomes a problem is when people are
on their phone watching sport doom scrolling and everything's done
almost immediately, and they're still in there for another fifteen Yeah,
and then they you know, they stand up and one
of their legs is going to sleep and they fall
over and into themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
And how do you police that? Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eight is number to call. John, Welcome to
the show.

Speaker 28 (01:46:54):
If employers want to cut people's breaks down or stop
and going to the toilet at all, make all the
toilets like a hundred of us with toilets up in
Northland right.

Speaker 4 (01:47:04):
I've been to the hunt of us toilets up and
Upper Northland beautiful toilets.

Speaker 28 (01:47:08):
That you're actually have the actually use the toilet though
it's the floor is all uneven and there's when I
went in there at puddles of pe everywhere. It's stunt
like anything because there's not a nice flat floor, so
it's all uneven and there's puddles of urine everywhere. You
don't want to put your hands, you don't want to
put your pants down and sit down because because I'll

(01:47:31):
get they'll get covered in and think it's gone down.
It's the worst design of a toilet I've ever seen.
But the employers that that no one has want to
go at all.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
So what you're suggesting is artistic bathrooms that that are
you know, works of art, but stink that.

Speaker 28 (01:47:49):
Impossible to unhygienics.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
Well, I mean you wouldn't have to do much. Just
don't clean the bathrooms.

Speaker 4 (01:47:57):
Yeah, good point. So you're saving double there. Yeah, you
don't have to be cleaners and people don't want to
use them.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
I've just received a text from my sister. Call them
me a hypocrite, Okay, tell us my sister Catherine. Yeah, Heymatt,
does it count count that when you were little you
used to fake need to go the loop for thirty
minutes plus to avoid doing the dishes after dinner.

Speaker 3 (01:48:18):
Mom and dad caught you and then just left the
dishes for you to do afterwards. How do you defend
how they fired back? How do you defend that you've
learnt though?

Speaker 4 (01:48:27):
We're going to get one of those tilted toilets for you, mate,
right it is fourteen to four, Pete.

Speaker 3 (01:48:34):
What do you reckon about this? Hey, Peter?

Speaker 29 (01:48:39):
Oh hey, sorry, guys, I reckon we should treat it
like fear that after certain amounts of time the toilet
paper retracts.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
Back, because that would happen once and that would be it.
You wouldn't be pushing the limit, would you.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:48:57):
Wait, well you even just walk into the stall and
you go, is there paper?

Speaker 11 (01:49:02):
Sweet?

Speaker 29 (01:49:02):
Ten minutes later out? But if you know that the
paper is going to retract, midwife, it's even worse.

Speaker 11 (01:49:10):
Fit.

Speaker 3 (01:49:10):
Yeah, they would do it. That is a great idea.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Get angel in vesta. We'll give you numbers to you
know some angel in vestors. I mean these guys with
their thirteen degree toilet seat.

Speaker 3 (01:49:23):
That's a idea compared to the old retractable toilet paper and.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
My husband's work in Christ chitch. The cleaner cleans the
toilets at morning smoko as it's the quite quietest.

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
Time of the day to go to the bathroom. Of course.

Speaker 4 (01:49:34):
Yeah, the sticks says there was an old guy where
I worked in England doing the old oe. He was
always on this sunny One day I walked in and
noticed his boots under the door. I gave the door
a good kick, finished what I was doing, wash my
hands and dried with the handy towel. Gave that a
few jabs to see his reaction. As I walked out,
the boss walked and the old guy finished his business,

(01:49:55):
saw the boss and thought it was him doing the
kicking and punching and came up to me in a rage,
just hating on the boss.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
I went along with it, never told him it was me.
Stirred up heaps of issues over the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Product in New Zealand is the lowest in the OECD.
I thought it was because of drug, alcohol abuse, mental
health sick leave, and now we find out it's just
the amount of time people are scrolling in the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (01:50:19):
H don you've read a book about this critical issue.

Speaker 12 (01:50:24):
Yeah, there's a very funny book over one hundred years old,
very small book called The Specialists by a guy called Mortsale,
and it's about outhouses, and like the Specialists would find
a solution to every problem with the outhouse. And for instance,
when someone was spending too long in there, he would

(01:50:46):
be wooden seats, so he make them a bit jaggered,
so was on too long. And then when the lady
of the house wasn't keeping the fire going getting enough firewood,
he would make sure that the outhouse was built. You'd
have to walk past the woodpile to get there, so she,
of course she'd pick them up and take it back

(01:51:06):
to the kitchen and so on. It absolute scream.

Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
What's the name of the book again?

Speaker 12 (01:51:12):
It's called The Specialist by Mortsal.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
All right, man che that out, Thanks for you, called don. Hey,
this is good news. So you know, I said before
I read out the text, I said, I hope you
to are replaced next year. You have reached you low
with this topic.

Speaker 5 (01:51:25):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
And I said, where's your ambition? Why do you want
us replace next year? Get us replaced now?

Speaker 3 (01:51:30):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Well, I think they've run through asking for the boss's number. Okay,
this person is turning around the lowest productivity in the
OECD by not asking, putting things off the next year,
trying to get us fired.

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
Yeap, doing it now, and I applaud that person. Well done.
That is getting stuff done.

Speaker 4 (01:51:48):
Yeah, when you think about it, don't wait for you know,
investigations and all that sort of stuffy demand action right now,
and you've done that clearly.

Speaker 3 (01:51:55):
Poop'll get off the potty and I respect that, love it.
Get us fired now. Plenty of ticks covered.

Speaker 4 (01:52:02):
Through on this issue, just this one quickly to the
break Gaday, Guys, I'm a small business owner. My staff
turn up whenever they have breaks, whenever they want rather
and work hard.

Speaker 3 (01:52:13):
We don't keep track. We just trust each other.

Speaker 4 (01:52:16):
Saying that if someone was going to the toilet more
than a dozen times a day, I'd probably start asking questions.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
And the sixth is in our new workplace, they've got
the lights on a really quick sensor, so it goes
completely dark after about three minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:52:30):
That keeps you move man. True, that is that's a
pretty short time. Three minutes. You can't do much in
three minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
But I'm with Ken here, what about the constipated community.
I've got to look after them as well.

Speaker 4 (01:52:40):
We've got to think about those people. It is ten
to four back very shortly. You listening to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
Won't somebody please think about the constipation community.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons used
talk z'd.

Speaker 3 (01:52:57):
Be excuse me, news talk z'b.

Speaker 4 (01:53:00):
So we've been talking about this UK startup that's designed
to toilet that has slanted at a thirteen degree angle,
the pointers to make it so uncomfort for workers. They
don't spend any longer than five minutes in there. So
many tickes have come through on this. This one says, guys,
what about the public toilets that do actually have a
maximum use time? The ones in Dunedin, So your maximum

(01:53:23):
use time is ten minutes? And a robotic voice then
plays Bert Becker at music through the speakers.

Speaker 3 (01:53:28):
Not a place you want to hang out for too long?
I know, well we need is love, sweet love. He's
got a couple of hits.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
Burt Pack absolute genius. But yes, when the door slings open,
that's the problem is that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
What they do so after the ten minutes, I think
it does the doors start to swing open and then
you're in trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
This is great from Steve. He says, Hey, guys, we
need to treat toilet breaks like an F one pit stop,
no need for reading or three minutes light timer and
likelyam go on and under a minute sorted Steve. I mean, yeah,
people need to be celebrated for the speed. You know,
we had a quarter before whose work has started logging
andy to logging themselves in and out. Yeah, but then
do we need to celebrate you know, fast pit times.

Speaker 3 (01:54:10):
We've got to flip that around and give them a
pay rise. Yeah. No, I mean Ferrari comes in two
point one seconds. Let's go, Come on New Zealand's it's
a campaign we can get behind. Oh, it is a
good one.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
If you're consummated, go by lactaloose from Chemist Warehouse. It's
nine dollars a bottle. Take twenty miles twice a day,
then twenty million months a day once it starts working.
It's a softener. It's bad for you to sit on
the toilet and strain for too long. Yeah, and the
good people at poohwell will probably help you out as well.

Speaker 6 (01:54:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
Good medical advice, very good.

Speaker 4 (01:54:39):
Should we put this subject a bit Yeah, we know
you loved it, kid. We had hundreds and hundreds of
teaks on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
But thank you so much for listening everyone. I love
the chats today, So grateful for all your calls and text.
As you say, Todder, that last hour blew up. Yeah,
I must have broken the text gene on bathroom towns.
It's interesting what people want to talk about, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
It certainly is.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
Yeah, it's something we all have to experience. Our podcast
is available in about an hour. The great and Powerful
Paul Holmes Broadcast of the Year, He the Duplessy Allen
is up next. But right now, Tyler, my good friend,
tell me why I'm playing this particular song.

Speaker 3 (01:55:16):
Obviously you got no idea who is it and what's
the song called. The song is called Blue Day by
the band My Sex.

Speaker 4 (01:55:24):
Of course, because we had, of all people with the
drummer of my seats call through never good yarn about
never will always take opportunities when they're presented to you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
Yeah, I think this is just such a fantastic song.
I love it all right until tomorrow afternoon, give them
a taste of.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
Keys from us. Thanks for listening. You seem does, he
will let you go. I love you.

Speaker 1 (01:56:44):
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