Full Show Podcast: 14 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, Great New Zealand, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show Podcast number two to one for the
fourteenth of octor Ober twenty twenty five. Hey, what date
did we start this show last year?

Speaker 3 (00:29):
It's a good question.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I think I feel like it was the twenty first
of October. Let's see if I think it was late
October last year.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
It might be a one year happy birthday we.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Should we should work out when it's been a year
since we've been doing the show.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Be dangerously close. I don't know, Andrew, do you know.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
That I think we might have msst have one year anniversary.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
We can still celebrate it. Oh, can't we.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I'm incredibly offended that you guys forgot my anniversary and
that you forgot our anniversary. It's on Andrew our anniversary day.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
He's on the Edmond side.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
You should have got we should have got each other
flowers and Chocky's. Anyway, we'll get to the bottom of that.
But I think Andrew might be right. I think we
might have must have Anyway, we'll get it next year.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, yeah, we'll get the second booth day, we'll get
our ten uere the seventh.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Apparently it was the seventh. It was a week ago,
so we missed it by a week.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Well, there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well that's the lame Okay, we'll we'll, we'll look that up. Anyways,
a fantastic show, a lot of a lot of chat
about the whole Gaza situation, deep intense chat. And then
we went summer holidays in the whale chat was really
really good.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Such a good show.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
So Steve Hathaway, I think he rang up. I think
he's the cameraman who's shooting whales under under the water,
and Kent Briggs is the guy. Just this is just
later on the show. I'm making a correction for the
very end of the show. It's Kent Briggs who made
the documentary about the lions that escaped and rote to
Rua and and ran a mark and killed and killed

(01:57):
Lulu the Lulu or Lucy is it Lulu or Lucy
anyway killed a poodle? Yep, Okay, So that's Kent Briggs
and Steve Alloways the is the is the photographer? All right?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
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Speaker 3 (02:44):
A very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Tuesday. I
hope you're doing well. We're here, you're listening in this
country of ours. Kid a Matt, you get a titler,
get a great New Zealanders. What a show we've got
planned for you the next three hours. What's it like
around the country. It's very wet where we are, super wet.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
It's next level we It's always concerning when it's really
really raining these days because of the flooding that we
experienced a couple of years ago.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Always makes people a bit nervous, Can I just say so?
This morning trying to get my beloved dog out. And
I love my our dog, her name is Pepper, but
she's weak. She's a really really weak dog when it
comes to the rain. It's almost like some sort of
force field that she can't breach when there's even a
little bit of rain. And so the problem is that

(03:27):
I've got to get her out to do her business
because she stays at home while I'm here doing my job,
and she just refuses. And I feel like the monster
in the situation because I literally pick her up and
I put her on the lawn and she kills up
in kind of like the fetal position, like I'm the
worst person in the water, and starts and starts crying.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah. Well, often your dog will start imitating its master.
It takes on the personalities. And so if you find
yourself being looking at your dog going what a weak
pathetic dog? You know you you know can behave her
as a stronger teacher than any words.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, Mae does cry in the rain, say she's picking
up bad habits.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
To be fair, my dog Colin this morning, I was
trying to take him out for a walk and he refused.
I mean it was next level though. Yeah, but we
sometimes you do sometimes have to look at your cute
little dog and go what have we done to the species?
They are a far cry from the dire wolf, a
far cry from their ancestors.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Very pampered. But right on to today's show, It is
a doozy after three o'clock. A whale called Mgaloo, the
world famous white whale, it may be back in New
Zealand waters following a possible sighting near Kai Quarter. There's
videos on the Herald you can go have a look.
The humpback is only one of four white whales ever
recorded worldwide, and that footage shit on social media and

(04:49):
on the Herald is going absolutely viral. It's pretty incredible
seeing this albino humpback just put its little white tail
out of the ocean and everybody's very excited by it.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
I don't care about a white whale. I just want
to see any kind of whale. I just want to.
I've never seen a whale in the wild, and well
i've never in a whale and captivity even to be fair, right,
but I just want to. I've been I've been near dolphins.
That was pretty wicked. I've been chased by a sea elephant.
That was great.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
That's huge.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Sea lions yep. I've been around stinky old seals.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yep. They're pretty cute.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
But I'd love to see a love to see a whale,
so I'm jealous. So anyway, we want to talk about
amazing nature encounter stories after three o'clock on o E.
One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yep, looking forward to that after two o'clock. Summer jobs
for teens. So it is a key we writer passage
for teenagers when it gets to the summer months, whether
that's flipping burgers, stacking shells, boring beer, labouring, orchard work,
a bit of painting around somebody's house, all of the above.
But according to an article by Newsroom, it's getting incredibly
hard for these teens to find those jobs student jobs,

(05:55):
as chief executive Luis Sevaca says, listings are up sixteen
percent year on year, but applications have climbed to twenty
eight percent.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, is it hard to get a summer job. I
mean it's not even summer yet, so maybe maybe they'll
more come on. But if you're willing to do something surely.
I think it's very well. What do you do if
you don't get a summer job over over the break,
especially if your university student.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Right, it's a massive break because you're a long time
to sit around to another.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
You're off for a very very long time. What do
you do for money? Yeah? I mean, and you just
moot you off your parents? Or you can't get a benefit?

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Can you?

Speaker 2 (06:28):
In that time? If you're nineteen, you can't. Yeah, no,
they've changed the rules. Will cash here? You can't just
get a brief benefit, can you? So you absolutely have
to get a job or I guess what, just sleep
on the sleep on the couch to your parents' house.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, what a boring summer. But we can to have
a chat with you. What does it look like for
your teenagers out there? Are they struggling to find these
part time jobs? That's after two o'clock. But right now,
let's get into this. So you're as president as we know,
Donald Trump. He has received praise across the board for
his and his administration's efforts and helping broker the Israel
Hama Sees fire. The agreement has been signed along with

(07:02):
the hostage exchange. Pretty incredible scenes watching those reunions for
the twenty alive is Ale hostages as they are reunited
with their families and a speech, Donald Trump SAIDs I quote,
this is the end of an age of terror and death,
in the beginning of the age of faith and hope
and of God. He said, It's the start of a
grand concord and lasting harmony for Israel and all other

(07:24):
nations of what will soon be a truly magnificent region.
I believe so strongly this is the historic dawn of
a new Middle East. So he is getting praise on
both sides of the isle. Some of the praise that
you might not expect is from Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Bill Clinton himself put at a statement this morning saying,
I quote President Trump and his administration, Katar and other

(07:47):
regional actors deserve great credit for keeping everybody engaged until
the agreement was reached. Hillary Clinton herself has praised Trump,
saying he does deserve credit along with Democratic leader in
the Senate Chuck Schumer.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, so, seven hundred and thirty eight days those hostages
were held. Imagine being in that situation. Unreal the trauma,
you know, and for the families worrying about the absolutely
but you know, there was a lot of people calling
for ceasefire. We now at the very least have a ceasefire.
A lot of people don't like Trump, a lot of
people love Trump. But does it matter what you think

(08:21):
of the man? Or is it just what he's done?
And does he deserve credit for it? Are you big
enough to give that credit? Yeah, because there's a lot
of people that have been very noisy about this whole thing,
that have seemed to be very quiet about it right
right now? You know people wanted to cease fire. They've
got it. Are you happy to call it trump ceasefire?

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Eighty Trump And I know saying that will be well,
let's face it triggering for people.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
But we want to hear from you. If that upsets you,
give us a call. O weight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Does he deserve the credit that he's getting
at the moment? Nine two ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
This is on the nature experience. Someone's seen, someone's seeing
bigfoot and can he poodo? So be interesting. We're looking to.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
That that is a wildlife experience, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Right It's Sextus is not a Trump fan, but hats
off to him achieve what other people have not been
able to do. That's from Doug. Yeah, that's one side
of it, but there's a lot of the other side
coming through.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Keep those teachs coming through. A nine two nine two.
It is thirteen past one.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
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Speaker 3 (09:31):
They'd be for a good afternoon. June sixteen, A pass one.
Does Donald Trump deserve credit for helping broker the ceasefire
in the Middle East of one hundred and eighteen eighty
to number to cool?

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, and it'll be interesting for people, as we say,
who really don't like Donald Trump, do they give him
credit on this one issue? Mary, welcome to the show.
Thank you your thoughts on this.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
I think there's two sides to every story, and I
think on a lot of mainstream media's almost a daily
diet of almost the propaganda on one side. Because I
noticed when I watched at two am the people celebrating
and they didn't actually look like they were starving. They
were leaping and jumping around with great energy. And I

(10:19):
saw a leader of her Maus who could hardly keep
his buttons done up. So you know, we got the
daily sort of digest of the starving. But last night,
when I watched for a long time, I actually didn't
see a lot of that, and I saw a lot
of intech buildings, So we sort of get a daily
diet of of you know, a different picture. And I

(10:40):
really credit zb for recognizing that there is hopefully an
end to war and it didn't mean crowbars through people's windows.
Violence never is an answer. That the way to an
answer has been mediation. And that's what I give Trump's

(11:02):
credit for, is he said Steve Whitcoff, he visited himself
a lot of nations, in Arab nations and Muslim nations,
and he's worked with Guitar and with Egypt and with Turkey.
He's worked with a lot of the Arab people themselves
to bring this about over quite a long time. So

(11:25):
it was I thought it was quite profound that on
the anniversary when these people were terrorized and murdered and
raped and and cut up alive and burned live and
absolute terrorism, it was almost almost the anniversary the day
asked the anniversary that that piece is coming, because that

(11:46):
was the provocation. And I look at what happens with Ukraine.
You know, does anybody ask Russia to feed the Ukrainian people?
Does anybody sort of you know, come down on on
twutin light they come down on trunk? I mean, I
just really, you know, it isn't Trump for it. It's

(12:09):
Israel in Tallestone, not even Palestine. The people are the victims.
It's Israel and her Maas And I have to remember,
and I don't know if everyone knows it's the Palestinian
people that voted Hamas to lead them.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Now, Mary, you say that you think that a lot
of the media is propaganda. How do you get your information?
What are your sources? And how do you know to
trust those sources? How do you know that your sources
are trustworthy? What do you do around that?

Speaker 5 (12:44):
What I do is I don't listen to someone's commentary.
You know, for example, when Camilla Harris was giving her
you know, her campaign speeches and Trump was giving his,
And when there was big debates, I didn't wait for
someone else to tell me what to think about that.
I watched them myself. I watched a two hour debate

(13:07):
and Trump was talking about World War three, and really
important things. But it's not what we got here. We
got tet food or pets or something. And so I decided,
I'm not going to listen to someone's symmetry. I'm going
to listen myself. So I set up and listened to
him speaking in the Israeli Parliament. Last night, I sat

(13:30):
up and watched the those who had been terrorized and
kidnapped and and you know, tortured. I watched them coming home,
and I feel for the families because only of the
twenty eight that have been murdered, only four have been
given back. So there's twenty four families that have no closure,

(13:51):
that have no no suneral.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Do you think that this is There's there's the peace deal,
there's there's the twenty point plan. Do you think, considering
how complex this issue has been for the longest longest
longest longest time twenty thousand years here, do you think
that this peace plan can work? Do you are you
hopeful that a lasting piece can be found?

Speaker 6 (14:16):
Well?

Speaker 5 (14:16):
Step one was the exchange, and it's interesting that Israel
got back twenty people, but they had to give two
thousand prisoners, and some of those prisoners were actually the ones,
you know that have orchestrated such terrible violence in the past.
So if you can imagine what it's like to trade

(14:38):
two thousand for twenty and knowing that those two thousand
are going to go back and plan future October seventh
and then so, I mean, it wasn't an easy deal
for them, But the whole thing was provocation of those
stolen people, and there was going to be no peace
until they got those people back. So now that that

(14:59):
that's taken, now that those people are back, there is
I think there's hope. It's still going to be along
long road because Hamas is not going to lay down
at Steapens overnight, and nobody wants to give up power.
But in Hamatha Terrris.

Speaker 7 (15:14):
So it's like what it's like is like.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
It would be like isis living across the road from
the Twin Towers after nine to eleven? I mean, can
you live with isis across the road after nine to eleven?

Speaker 8 (15:28):
Mm?

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, I mean it is. It's going to be a
very challenging road yet.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
And Mary, if if we're on the topic of does
Trump deserve credit, I guess a question we could ask
is what do you think his motives are? Because people
that really don't like Trump think it's all about Trump,
and he's there and he hopes to win a Nobel
Peace Prize and he wants the glory and he wants

(15:54):
and it's in a way for the Trump brand. What
do you say to those people? What do you think
about Trump's motives?

Speaker 5 (16:02):
All I see is he working really hard for a
long time, try to resolved the war with Ukraine, the
war with the Middle East, and many other wars that
are not talked about so much here. But he's resolved
a lot of wars. And he does it by negotiations.
He does it not not with the crowbar, not with

(16:25):
broken windows, not with violence of any kind. He does
it by coming to understand both sides and then bringing
bringing them together and working working through it. Now, what
I understand is the person that did get this Nobil
Peace Prize sort of got it on behalf of Trump
because he helped you so much, and that the Nobil

(16:47):
Peace Prize is given year by year, so what he's
done this year, you know, will count for next year.
So I mean, maybe he'll get an award or not.
But I don't think that's his motive. I don't think
he steps out to do this to get to get
some award. I do not that Trump's daughter a Anka,

(17:08):
married to a Jew, and so he probably has some
very good sources of information of you know, just the
trauma that it's like living next to after nine to
eleven and so, and even though they've given back the
twenty hostages, two thousand prisoners have gone back, and they're

(17:29):
going to be full of hate and standing more things,
aren't they.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
So do you think with all that in mind and
everything you've said? So, you know, estimates of the casualties
in Gasa since October seven range from fifty thousand to
sixty seven thousand, pretty hard to sixty seven seventy thousand casualties.
It's hard to know how many were combatants and how

(17:55):
many were civilians, but that's a huge number of people.
Do you think that Israel's response was proportionate?

Speaker 5 (18:07):
Well, what I said, I think is that when Israel
was after Hamas, the people were just the victims. So
Hamas would go and hide under a hospital, or hide
under a school, or hide in the rest and GCM
and Israel would send pamphlets and messages to the people
clear out from that area, because that's that's where we're going.

(18:27):
We're going after her Maas and hamma and Hamas would
say to the people, no stay. And Hamas used the
people like an umbrella, whereas Russia doesn't do that. Russia
doesn't warn anybody in Ukraine we're coming. You know, we're
coming to your your building tonight. You've got you know,

(18:48):
you've got to get out today because we're coming to
bomb your building tonight. Russia doesn't do that. And nobody
asked Russia to feed anybody.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah, Mary, thank you very much for giving us a
buz is really good to get your views.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yes, so do you agree with that?

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
One hundred eighty ten eighty. She thinks Trump deserves all
kinds of credit. But what do you think? One hundred
and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
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Speaker 1 (19:08):
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Speaker 2 (19:12):
In Jerusalem is back with this? Has today been the
easy part? In other words, does piece hold? Is the
war really over? Do they rebuild Gaza? Is the a
gonna flow? And all the other questions.

Speaker 9 (19:21):
President Trump has put the full wed of his office
behind The steel is very significant, and it's taken a while,
but he really has shown that together with Katara in
Egypt and then the other media media as he can
push them all to make a deal. So yes, for
the first time, there is hope, hopeful feeling in the air.

(19:42):
But you can you can never tell.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Back Tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
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Speaker 3 (19:49):
Z B Afternoon. Are you willing to give Donald Trump
credit for helping broker the ceasefire agreement in the Middle
East of one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
This text to Shane says, Hi, guys, it's not thousands
years of conflict. Israel was formed in the late forties
after the Second World War. So the two thousand prisons
were collected by Israel for the purpose of swapping them
for hostages. Well, I mean it's continue to their second
part of it. Yeah, I mean when we say thousands years,
I mean Israel has been around for a thousand years
and as we know, you can read about.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
It, historical complexities, no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
And yeah, I mean there is a broader conflict in
the Middle East that we know that Islam has been around.
But as you say a thousand years, no, I mean
Islam eventuated in the seventh century, and you know, interesting enough,
all comes out of the same Abrahamic religion, but now

(20:43):
very much opposed to between very much opposed now, aren't
they the two sides of it? Dallas, Welcome to the show.
Your thoughts on this. Does Trump deserve credit for this?
Because I know you're not a fan of Trump, Dallas.

Speaker 10 (20:59):
I'm not, but I do give credit where it's due
and full credit for I mean, yesterday must have been his.

Speaker 6 (21:07):
His best moment.

Speaker 10 (21:08):
Yeah, Matt, like just seeing those passages. I love seeing
those hostages reunited with their families.

Speaker 7 (21:15):
Did you watch those clips?

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, it's incredible, heartbreaking, you know, I was just watching
one was on the screen before that. A sister couldn't
even hug her brother and she was just standing there shaking.
She was so Yeah. I mean, it must have been
horrible for those families.

Speaker 10 (21:31):
It's the human emotion. It's it's amazing.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
I think Trump.

Speaker 10 (21:37):
It's not realistic in saying it's going to be peace,
but maybe that's a good thing.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Maybe has I.

Speaker 10 (21:43):
Wouldn't say delusion, but maybe it could be a good delusion,
you know what I mean. If it catches on that
people think Oh, maybe we could have peace in the
Middle East. You know, maybe it takes a big, big
idea like that to sort of catch on in the
region and a big personality which he's got to enforce it.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well, just on there, Dallas.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
I mean, I'm not saying this is the case, but
a lot of people suspect Donald Trump is doing this
for Donald Trump. It's part of his brand and he
likes to be front and center. Even if that's the case,
does the end result matter more. It doesn't really matter
what Donald Trump may get out of this, whether it's
a Nobile Peace Prize next year. It's the fact that
the ceasefire agreement has been reaches that is the important part.

Speaker 10 (22:27):
Yeah, most of my friends, Tyler, they don't care. No
one cares what his motivations are. We just wanted to
see we want to see food being allowed back into Gaza,
which is apparently happening, food and medical aid. And we
wanted to see those hossages returned, which has happened. So

(22:47):
no one, I don't think anyone cares about his personal motivations.
And I would say, look, give all the all the
prizes he wants, you know, if he can achieve lost.

Speaker 11 (22:55):
And piece there.

Speaker 10 (22:56):
You know, I don't care about his motivations.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Well, I think you know what that probably means to
me that you are a person whose heart is in
the right place, because what you're thinking about it is
purely the humanitarians that situation, and you want the killing
to stop. You want you know, on both sides.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Do you think that that is the case in some
quarters who have been quite vocal on what's happening over
there and vocal within our own country, do you think
they may feel the same way you do.

Speaker 10 (23:28):
Well, as I said, most of my lefty friends, if
you like, they have the same opinion as me. We
just want to see peace and.

Speaker 12 (23:39):
Trump.

Speaker 8 (23:39):
It's a very the mysterious.

Speaker 10 (23:41):
Place in the Middle East, isn't it. At the best
of time, You know, it's the mysterious place, and it
hasn't been helped in this conflict by Israel not allowing
press into Gaza or anything to get the true report.
So we're just getting all these rumors. But now, hopefully,
do you think they'll let the press.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Back in there?

Speaker 3 (24:01):
I don't know, is my answer to that. I'm sure
they will. I mean, they've got a big press contingent
with Donald Trump, and clearly that is to which we're.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Seeing a bunch of It's interesting because often you see
these pictures, you don't really know where they come from.
And it's as you say, it's a mysterious place, especially
for us sitting in the middle of the Pacific, and
so we only we only get what's showing to us
and you can have a look around. But there's there's
very different pictures coming out all of a sudden, isn't
there Dallas? Just in the last twenty four forty eight hours,

(24:31):
there's there's images that I just haven't seen before. So
there's someone in there that wasn't in there before, or
there's information coming out there wasn't before.

Speaker 10 (24:42):
Yeah, there wasn't much coverage yesterday of the actual hostage
leaving goals, So yeah, there was a bit more on
Israel side. Wasn't there when they actually arrived?

Speaker 13 (24:55):
Would?

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I would say, by and large, that's not an an
unusual situation, as war zones are incredibly dangerous places and
journalists often enter those war zones illegally or without the
permission of the government to try and get that footage,
So that's not an unusual thing. And see, and it's
never a good thing. But sadly, journalists do die in
war zones because they're incredibly dangerous places.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (25:15):
God, the brave, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, a lot of them are, absolutely, Yeah, and just
very quickly because we've got to go to the news, Dallas,
Do you think harmas will stick to their side of
the situation, because you know, you know, from most perspective,
it's the Palestine people that are the victims and all this.
Can you see this lasting and and everyone doing their bit?

Speaker 10 (25:39):
Who knows about I mean, even if you get rid
of them, will another.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Group ride happening now? Isn't there? There's factions you know
fighting right now?

Speaker 10 (25:49):
Yeah, fighting each other. It's just quite interesting. Yeah, it's
going to need a long international presence at that border.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah yeah. But then but then, I mean, this gets complicated.
We've got to go to the news. But then as
soon as that international force has to shoot someone, then
that changes everything, or it doesn't have to or does
shoot someone, because that invariably happens when you put an
armed force in an area. Hey, thank you so much
for you call, Dallas. Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3 (27:37):
Thank you very much, ray Lean. So we are talking
about the a ceasefire agreement to the Middle East. Donald
Trump was front and center for that signing. So does
he deserve credit in your eyes?

Speaker 6 (27:46):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Eight, one hundred and eighty ten.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Eighty guys, one hundred and forty eight hostages were released
before Trump even took power arrest. My case, he is
not a hero, The Sixers said Lesbie fear Trump is
like a broken clock. He's right at least twice a day.
Peace to Israel and Ukraine. Trump could have come to
the moment much earlier if he had withdrawn support for Israel.
There are serious faults on both sides and said there

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will never be peace. That's from jam. Well, hopefully that's
not true. Hi, guys, a great call from Mary. I
totally agree with all she said. She definitely doesn't suffer
that from cognitive dissonance as those who disliked Trump do.
The brutality of the Hummus attack on Israel was really
talked about, all right, So as you would expect. There's

(28:29):
thoughts on both sides of this. Welcome to the show, Pete, your.

Speaker 16 (28:32):
Thoughts you amen entirely like you say Mary as she
handled it, Yeah, she said it very well. I watchedly
watched it like she did last night as well. You've
got to give Donald Trump credit here. Stop the fighting
now was not perfect, we all know that, but end
of day they got the hostages back that to ones
that were alive. And I think he hasn't done too

(28:55):
bad Trump. At least he's stopping things. It's like Clinton said,
you know, at least he's he's doing more than what's
been you know what the previous government did.

Speaker 17 (29:06):
Biden.

Speaker 16 (29:06):
At least Trump he's trying to stop these walls, so
you have to give them credit.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
I mean, there is a ceasefire currently underway, so at
very least he has got a cease fire, which was
what a lot of people were calling for. Is it
naive to expect, after all that's happened in the area
over a very long period of time, that we could
see this being the start of something solid and a

(29:33):
rebuilding of Gaza and a piece in the area, lasting
piece in the area.

Speaker 12 (29:39):
Pete, Well, that's hope.

Speaker 16 (29:42):
So you know, I listened to the Whole Life broadcast
last night, and you're going to listen to watch those
people in that parliament there. They're all happy. They realize
what Trump has done. He has stopped the war, and
I think he's going to get a roll of respect
for that. You know what was you know that president
did from Israeli? What he wasn't right, what he was doing,

(30:03):
we all know that. But a mass they had to
be taught or less, and that's what he's trying to do.
And it's like they feel attract attack the Twin Towers,
you attack people like the United States, you're going to
pay for that. In some ways you sort of have
to stand up what they had to do.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
I guess the problem with that is that some of
the people, and a lot of people that pay for
it are innocence. There's the there's the the children that
pay the price. How does that make you feel, Pepe.

Speaker 16 (30:35):
Oh, it's horrible. You all know that it's not that differently,
that's wrong, totally wrong. But in the day, do you
let groups organizations like a muss carry on doing what
they're doing. They have to be taught to know there
is a price. Will pay that. It's sad, but there's
emisonial gets involved. That's that's part of conflict and it
no I likes conflict, but sometimes you have to deal

(30:56):
with those those are called nasty buggers.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Now, Pete, when I when I look at the text
machine on nine two, nine to two, it feels like
there's two completely separate sets of facts and two separate views,
and both sides believe what they believe. Their facts are
completely right on this situation. Where do you get your
information from? Pete?

Speaker 4 (31:20):
You know?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
And do you do you double check the saucers? Do
you question them?

Speaker 16 (31:28):
I'm watching the world news all the time, and there
is no such thing as a perfect situation. But as
I said before, you have to deal with these people.
But like putin what he's even like Trump last night,
how he said what he gave a Mussle ultimatum, stop

(31:48):
doing what you're doing or they'll move in. Basically Trump
warned them for that, and they knew that. Trump he
gets to a stage and he gets frustrated and he
does say what he does. He was going to go
there basically annihilate them, which wasn't also good at a
Musk knew if they didn't listen to what Trump said,
were going to get nihilated. Whatever Trump was going to

(32:10):
do with this military platinum bomb wasn't good. But he
said we are going to stop this, and he did
stop it.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
So Pete, just to go back to my questions, So,
is there a variety of sources that you go through
for your news?

Speaker 16 (32:23):
Yes, I do, I really do go through and I listen.
There's no Sometimes is always right and wrong, but sometimes
you can't always please everybody.

Speaker 18 (32:33):
But a long was what the.

Speaker 16 (32:36):
Outcome is going to be for the better? I think
what's happening, what happened to you say is for the better?

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yes, thank you so much for your call, Pete.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Thank you, Pete. I will say, I'm just having a
look at at internal polling within Israel recently on how
many Israelis supported the ongoing war. And then I look
at the reputation of Benjamin Nit and Yahoo. He's a
tough person to negotiate with. So that is or should
be a bit of credit for Donald Trump to be
able to negotiate with someone like Benjamin and Yahoo. When

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eighty one percent of the population that you lead are
calling for the water to continue, that's that's quite, that's
quite an achievement. That's an incredibly hard thing to do
when eighty percent of your population wants it to continue,
and then an outside influence says, you've got to get
a ceasefire. You've got to get credit for that a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
This Texas is why are they're not celebrations on the
streets of Wellington and Auckland by Gaza protesters instead of
the deathly silence. This Texas says Trump is crazy, He's
a narcissist. He's only doing this to stop people talking
about the Epstein files.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Okay, all sorts coming in.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
You know, you know, I would say we're getting far
one way, far the other way, but the majority is
sort of down the middle on this. Yeah that you know,
they agree that that that there's something to be said
at the very least that there's a ceasefire currently right now?

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah, absolutely right. Nine two ninety two is the text number.
But taking your calls on oh, eight hundred and eighty
two eighty, it is accorded to have a.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Mart Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talk, sa'd.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Be afternoon plenty of teachs coming through. On nine two
nine two.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
This Texas has imagined the Paul Palestinians having to live
next to Israel going forward. Well, that's been contentious both
ways for some time. Hey guys, some basic timelines. Islam
started about fourteen hundred years ago, Christianity about nineteen hundred
years ago. Judasium about Judaism about three hundred and fifty
three thousand, five hundred years ago. People also forget or

(34:41):
don't know that Jesus was a Jew. Also, Muhammad was
quite unsuccessful starting his religion until he changed tech and
based most of the religion on the Christian Bible with
some changes. I don't have any personal view on this,
but I foind the recorded history quite interesting.

Speaker 19 (34:55):
It is.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Cheers Dean, Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
It's a good we history lesson.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
This text says there will never be lasting peace while
Israel and the Jewish people exist. The Islamic jihadists will
make sure of that. You know, so many texts coming through. Peter,
Welcome to the show. Another Peter, thank you very much.

Speaker 20 (35:16):
Yeah, Well, I actually said hello. When you said hello, Pete,
I thought that was me, but it turns out me
and Peter took Pete's in a pod. Excuse the pun,
very good, but no, I'm calling you guys from the future.
Of the year is twenty thirty something or other and
fifty seventh President Trump Junior is currently in power. You know,

(35:37):
we we do appreciate President Trump Senior number forty eight
his you know, efforts. That would be a third term
and basically he should be given all the praise he
is looking for.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Right, So see that, I see how you've you've you've
presented that that statement the Peter, he should get all
the praise he's looking for, correct.

Speaker 20 (36:04):
Because the end justifies the means, ask gun Tham Northrop.
Uh huh. So basically the end justifies the means.

Speaker 8 (36:11):
We know that.

Speaker 20 (36:14):
You could dispute and you could argue, and you could
say that, well he's this and he's that, and you
should look at his history and he's just a womanizing,
terrible person.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
So yeah, i'd agree with you in this example, but
I don't always agree that the end justifies the means,
and I can't give you a spec Yeah, but in
this example, absolutely, I think it doesn't really matter who
broke is the ceasefire agreement? Is that in this case,
it was a terrible, terrible war that many innocents were killed.

(36:45):
And if Donald Trump, and he clearly he did, he
helped broker what was quite a complex situation.

Speaker 20 (36:51):
Because he could have gone the other way. I said, no,
I just bomb him.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Does that mean that he is on the hook? Does
does that mean Peter, he's on the hook if it
falls apart.

Speaker 20 (37:02):
Absolutely, We're all responsible for our own decisions.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Very decisive.

Speaker 20 (37:08):
Yeah, well look you have to be because the decision
costs more than incorrect decision, because you can correct an
incorrect decision because the er is human and to forgive
its divine. Do you think get a bit of Latin
on you before I go right, yep, dulce at decorum
as propatoria, Maury, and I don't believe in that. But
those who do are willing to die for their country

(37:28):
because it is sweet and proper to die for your country.
But I don't believe in that. I told your producer
when he asked me what my take on it was.
My take is I don't like people dying. Yeah, yeah,
it takes if we've got to give them three Nobel
prizes in another term.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
For the guys, thank you Peter, interesting. Cool, Yeah, whatever
it takes. But I mean that final point, I don't
like people dying. I thought i'd hope that fear minded
people listening. And as you talk about that middle, that's
what it comes down to. I don't like people dying.
Not many people like people dying. So to stop and
get this agreement and to stop the killing.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah, I mean there are fates, worths and death though,
and you know sore all these things. There's there's always
grand area in that. There is a lot of gray area,
and there's a lot of people who have given up
their lives for causes because they believed that they were
so right that their their life was worth less than
the value of the cause. I mean that's happened all

(38:26):
through human history.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
It certainly has, Peter, thank you very much for your call. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Does Donald Trump deserve credit for helping broker the ceasefire agreement?
Love to hear your thoughts. It is eight to two.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
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Speaker 3 (38:47):
News Talks, zed bees, so many takes have come through
on nine to two nine to two.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
This says the best thing the Nobile Committee could do
is tell Trump that he's not getting the Nobel Prize
until he sorts out Ukraine.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Given motivation give him from KPIs like.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
That, boys, Why should the Palestinians fear living next door
to Israel? When did they war? Palestinins though educated to
hate and kill Jews from school age. That's from Dave
Hi guys. I one hundred percent agree with the first
call all news outlets in New Zealand and anti Trump
because their sources are left leaning. If you wann't true
and up to date news, then check out TBN TV. Okay, okay,

(39:26):
all right, good tike there yep. This text says, However,
Trump is not a hero. He did not enable the
ceasefire alone. Mounting international pressure and the hard work of
other Arab states have affected this result. If Trump had
ultimate power, he could have ended it last year. If
he had, more hostages would have been alive today. The
ceasefire won't hold either anyway. The animosity remains. Yeah, pessimistic

(39:48):
text there, but you know, sometimes real life is negative exactly.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
This one from Paul says, get a guys, if you
don't like Trump, then have a look in the mirror
at yourself and your own failings and you might change
your mind. And this one says, guys, the silence for
the Greens is deafening. And I feel sorry for Chloe.
What is she going to frown about?

Speaker 21 (40:10):
Now?

Speaker 2 (40:11):
That's from Henry. Guys, don't be naive. Israel is already
targeting other countries in the region. There will be another
war in the next six months.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
That's depressing. Right, We're going to carry this on because
there's so many techs and so many phone calls coming through.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, I think I think we will will carry it
on till half past two eight.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
It is just just to get every everyone's opinion out there.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yeah nicely said so oh eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty, And you better get in fast because we'll
just talk it for another half hour after the two
o'clock news, which is fast approaching.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
We've got important talk about summer jobs and whale sightings
to get to. Okay, so we're going to get.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
To get to the summer job. So just another halfye,
So come on, through oh one hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Does Trump deserve credit for the current c spar fire
and the piece that is currently occurring in the a
Gaza situation New Sport?

Speaker 3 (41:04):
And we we're a fast approaching. But stay right here
you're listening to and Tyler Hoe you having a great
Tuesday afternoon. Thanks for giving us a listen.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
We are we're the ones with marching scars.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Talking with you all. Afternoon. It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams
Afternoons used dogs.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
It be very good afternoon, Chier, welcome back into the show.
Sevan passed too. So we've been discussing the ceasefire agreement.
US President Donald Trump has been receiving praise across the
board for his and his administration's efforts and helping broker
that deal. The agreement has been signed along with the
hostage exchange. Pretty incredible scenes watching those reunions of the

(41:47):
twenty Israeli hostages who are still alive. But the question
we've put to you is does Donald Trump deserve the credit?

Speaker 2 (41:54):
My question I put to you Tyler as well, are
you puffing?

Speaker 3 (41:57):
I knew you were going to bring it up. I
thought I was just trying to do my breathing, and
I thought I had it under control. So I mistimed
my trip to the toilet because we were you know,
we got the coffee and having a good chat, and
then I realized it was three minutes before airtime. But
I made it back.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, feels good, all right. One hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Does Trump deserve credits and are you willing to give
it to him? John says, no, he doesn't. He pulled
the strings with the supply of arms and AMMO to Israel.
Netanyahu is his puppet. Ninnaan, you knew he didn't. If
he didn't sign up, the tap would be turned off.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Whereas this Texas says, the stubborn ignorance of the anti
Trump is astonishing. Trump could kill cancer and they would
still find a problem with him. The teds is strong
in them. Other world leaders have said it and it
couldn't happen without Trump. Yet all these people think they
know best is if they are there in the meeting.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Keep those teachs coming through.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
On nine two ninety two, Anthony, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 21 (42:52):
Yeah, hey gents, Yeah, just before we had a few
people talking about how a master terrorists and I would
just like to point out that there really are terrorists
on both sides here. It just seems to be going
one side with the arguments being made. For example, Netanyahu
told Israeli journalist Dan Moroglitz in twenty twelve that it
was important to keep himas strong as a counselweight to
the Perlison and authority in the West Bank, that having

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two strong rivals, including the mass wouldless and pressure on
Humpton negotiate towards the Paladian state. LACUDE member, this is
a party that's in charge right now that never know
who is a part of. Vattori said that there are
no innocence there. Gaza must be wiped off the face
of the earth. I have no mercy for anyone there.
We need to eliminate them. Mirror of ben Ahti another.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Okay, you're just reading stuff. What's your So, what's your
opinion on this? Do you think Trump deserves it credit
for the ceasefire at all? Anthony?

Speaker 8 (43:40):
Uh?

Speaker 21 (43:40):
Yeah, I do think Trump deserve credit. Isn't a unique
position to be able to do this because he's both
loved and hated by everyone, And I think I think
it puts he's in a situation that he's created essentially
a no way out thing for a mass and they've
had to agree to it.

Speaker 20 (43:56):
Is it going to last?

Speaker 11 (43:57):
Is it going to be good?

Speaker 8 (43:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (43:59):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (44:00):
What do you think the biggest challenges for it to last? Anthony?

Speaker 21 (44:06):
Well, as I said, there's terrosts on both sides, it's
just only one I has talked about. And I believe that.
I believe that the deal for Hamas or the Palaestinian people,
which is more important, isn't exactly great because they have
to accept a solution where other people get to control
the Gaza strip, they get to board real estate there.
There is a massive ongoing project there. Is that going
to go without any any troubles?

Speaker 4 (44:25):
I guess not.

Speaker 21 (44:27):
And I also assume that there is going to be
be a lot of pushback in that area and they
might not even let the Palestinian people back in. So yeah,
there's a there's a lot of questions here, and I
think there's a big leap of prase.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Isn't a return of the Palaestine people is a part
of the twenty piece plan? So as far as that
plan stands now, anyone that's left can return.

Speaker 21 (44:51):
Yep, that's right, but they'll be returning to rubble and
nothing to buy or eat. So there is going to
be a massive real estate project going on, that massive rebuild.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Do you think that the Palestinine people and har mas
are on the same page. Do you think that the
Palestine people will be able to reject harmas or do
you think that it's that it's one and the same.

Speaker 21 (45:11):
Well, this is the interesting argument made by the call
before which I did want to address, is that she
said the people of the mass voted, the people of
Pealestine Voterafi Masks, therefore they kind of deserve what they get,
or that they're a part of it, they're complicit. I
would argue that our governments, or especially the US government,
got into meaningless wars in Iraq, in Afghanistan where.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Millions of people have died, and that's true.

Speaker 21 (45:30):
Are the people of the US now responsible for their government?
I mean, maybe an argument can be made, but I'm
sure she wouldn't make that argument. I think you can
separate the people even if they make bad decisions and
voting the wrong governments. These are cap of people that
they've been hold hostage in the state where they can't
use their waterways, they can't get out, they can't vote
for foreign Israeli government who they're captured by their second

(45:51):
class citizens and a land that they were in for
hundreds of years.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
Do you agree?

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Do you agree the other way as well, that the
Israeli people aren't responsible and shouldn't be blamed for what
the Israeli government is doing. You know, for example, people
that are protesting various Israeli sports teams around around the world.

Speaker 21 (46:12):
Well, I actually think I actually agree with her that
people of Palostino compass, but they also believe that people
of Israel complicit. Does that mean that the children should
be dead and burned and.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Rubble, Well, no one wants children dead and burdened rubble.

Speaker 21 (46:26):
Because she said the people the Palestinians are born, therefore
they kind of don't.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
I don't know. I don't know if she was as
black and white about it that as that, but yeah,
I mean, but but I mean it sort of does
raise that problem of of going forward because you know
how you know, if hamas can't be any part of it,
which which is what everyone's saying, that that hummus can't
be any part of the leadership that you know that's

(46:50):
part of the peace deal, right, the twenty point piece deal.

Speaker 6 (46:53):
So so.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
You know, but Hamas are people that live in Gaza,
and they're they're very powerful organization and there's a lot
of them, right, So do you think that that is
going to be possible for the would you think they'll
just they'll just step back and go, Okay, that's cool,
coming build stuff, let's let's go. This seems this seems great,
and then just and just step back and hand over power.

Speaker 20 (47:16):
Well, I think we'll have to wait and see on
that front.

Speaker 21 (47:18):
But I think anyone that causes any disruption will be
call to Mars and or be a reason for Israel
to not go through with the agreement. So I think
whether it's a US or not, there are a lot
of discribed people in the Gaza strip. I mean, they've
had their families called. If they have a bit of pushback,
I wouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Well yeah, I mean, I mean that's where that's where
everyone's hearts. And I've got to be with with innocent
people in these situations that have no power and have
have no agency, And that's the terrible thing about war,
So I mean you've got to start some Yeah, I mean,
are you hopeful that there is at some point? Is

(47:53):
this the start? At some point you would hope that
they these these people catch a break. Are you hopeful
that this might be the chance for them to catch
catch that break and you know, start building at your
proper lives?

Speaker 7 (48:06):
Well?

Speaker 21 (48:07):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm as hopeful as you
can be in a situation where I don't think I
think there are any good options. I mean, lacud, we're
never going to give that the Palaestinians the state. So
for the Trump, We're coming and do the Still it
was really the only option on the table, and I
guess I guess everyone's interest should be for praying of
the situation and hoping that.

Speaker 20 (48:22):
It works out.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
He will thank you so much for your call, Anthony.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah, good cal Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number two call. Do you think Donald Trump
does he deserves credit for helping broker the ceasefire agreement?
Love to get your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
The Six's boys. Don't forget Palestinians had control of Gaza stripping,
instead used it for TIRA billions in aid used to
build five hundred kilometers of underground tunnels greater than the
London underground. There needs to be an inquiry and to
the UN, and then the organization needs to go. Okay, okay,
well that's that's outside of the remit of this discussion.
Whether we shut down the UN.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Keep there those teas coming in though nineteen nine too
it is fortey bus too.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
With a WII as if we have any sale with it.
I finally with a Matt and Tyler afternoon, So news
took ZB shuts down the UN or.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Not your home of afternoon tour mad Heathen Tyler Adams
afternoons call eight hundred eighty eighty youth talk s.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Afternoon. It is seventeen past two.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Sean says, how long do you think before the Trump
gaza plaza opens full drift from the Orange Man says
we'll wait and see on that. One think that would be.
But I mean that's almost a banks he like painting,
isn't it?

Speaker 11 (49:30):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Is Trump is a dangerous nutcase that is going to
facilitate a third World Okay, I mean, oh, I think
that means a third World war? Ah right, a third World? Yeah,
third World war? Yeh okay, thank you for that.

Speaker 8 (49:42):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Guys, Trump does deserve all the credit. Doesn't matter what
he does, the lefty losers always find something to say
against him. Go Trump. That's from Shane. Keep him coming in, Richard,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 21 (49:55):
Hi.

Speaker 17 (49:55):
I listening to sharl and I thought I've been listening
to last few callers, and I thought I'll probably give
my view as well.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Oh good, that's exactly why we've clicked on to your phone.
Let them come out right, that's why we're talking to you. Richard.
What's your opinion?

Speaker 17 (50:13):
Well, I think from my point of view, I think
what he's done is I know a lot of people
talk active about Donald Trump, and there's a lot of
people talk possible about.

Speaker 16 (50:22):
Him as well.

Speaker 17 (50:23):
But I think now what what he's done, and what
is done in the Middle East, and what is done
for the Israeli people and for the Guardens who've been
suffering over there for many, many, many years. I think
what he's done is a is a great work, and
I think you should be given a full credit for
what is what he deserves.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I think, you know, do you think that it's realistic
that this cease fire will last and the rebuilding of
Gaza and a proper future can can can begin.

Speaker 17 (50:51):
Richard, Well, I think it should hold. But it all
depends of it all depends of all the things on
the contract which they had assigned. And there's a lot
of things. I was I was there just a few
few a few days ago, and there's a lot of
things which is in the in the documentation. Uh, if

(51:14):
those are implemented and then it should be okay. But
from the last time I've seen is that one of
the things which they required the Trumpet administration and as
well is Head put in there that they need to
put their guns down. And I think if the hammers
are still there, if they allowed still there with their
guns in their hands, I think that's going to be
a problem. And I think that that's not going to

(51:35):
bring any peace in there. And how fully hopefully they
will put the guns down. And you know it's always
up and down. You know, you win, sometimes you lose something.
But I think now is the time they should all
forget about the past and just look forward for a
piece and then just have a stable Middle East, which
which hasn't been there for a long time.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
But did you say you've just been over there, Yes,
I was there.

Speaker 17 (52:02):
In Washington this Virginia. I actually lended the day. I
don't know Trump Peter called the National Guards to come
and take over the police station in Washington, d C.
And I was there in Virginia, then Philadelphia, the New
York City.

Speaker 22 (52:18):
Uh.

Speaker 17 (52:19):
Then I went to Las Vegas, La Nevada and Beverly Hills,
so troubled quite a lot. And to be honest, I've
been there before in previous years. But for what I've
seen this timer, by going to d C and uh,
it's the city is safer. As I was listening to

(52:39):
the news where the Canadian Prime Minister I was having
an interview with the Donald Shop and they were talking
about a lot of Canadians and a lot of foreign
tourists being killed in d C.

Speaker 21 (52:50):
Uh.

Speaker 17 (52:50):
And from what I've seen a lot, I'm not I'm
not talking about the media over here, but the media
from overseas. They've been portraying America is a big place
to visit, a dangerous place to go.

Speaker 20 (53:02):
Uh.

Speaker 17 (53:03):
And they've been saying that there's a lot of issues
on the border and when you're into America. But I'm
telling you this is all bullshit. Been there a number
of times you know, been there just not long ago.
As I said, I'd just come a few days ago,
and I absolutely had no trouble going there and no problems.
Everything was just normal, and DC City was the town

(53:26):
itself was very nice and clean, absolutely stunning, and a
very safe work at nights, you know, and people say, oh,
you can't carry a wallet, your phones and opening ship,
but you know your chain's going to be rid of
nothing like that. To know it was, I was very safe.
At no time I had a fear that I was

(53:46):
going to be a tacked or there's something danger is
going to happen over here.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
And do you create Trump for sitting in the National
Guard for that situation or do you think that just
America is generally a reasonably safe place.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
I would say that.

Speaker 17 (53:59):
I mean, if you compare ourselves to America, America is
quite a big place. So I think what he's done
is there's a lot of other things happening, you know,
like if you'd see they're like Chicago, where there's lots
of things going on there and a lot of people
are getting killed over there. And if you he's talking
about I've here in the news that the American and
the Canady Parmi Store were talking about Blatimore. I was

(54:20):
there as well, and I've been to the worst streets
in Blackimore just when I was there, not longer, and
and I I totally understand where he's coming from. And
why does he get these national guards to be on
this just to be on the safe side, just indicate it,
you know, something turns out to Salah, so as far
as the cities are concerned, And even in Blackimore, I

(54:43):
was there like about a good four or five hours
and I right in the waterfront, but if you go
on the back streets, it's it's really really bad. And
I think what he's doing is he's cleaning up and
not and I think America needed someone like him to
just come there and clean it all up. And that
is what he's doing. And places like Blatimore, Chicago where

(55:04):
the crimes had been really really high, and he's all
his best to get it all done. And if you
look at it, whether it's going to be him or anyone,
any promise though any person and who comes in I think,
I mean, if they're not one of those who wants
to fill the pocket, they will always want to work
in the best interest for his people, his country, and

(55:26):
I think that is what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Whither you go, so Richard good to get there perspective
throat of support for Trumpy? Well you think, oh, eight
hundred eighteen eighty does he deserve credit for well you
know there we are moving on to internal American situation.
But does he deserve credit for this ceasefire in the
Middle East?

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Give us a bar z O eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty is number to call. Ninety two niney two
is the text number. It's twenty three past two.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on youth talk sedby.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Very good afternoon. She it is twenty six past two.
Does Donald Trump deserve credit? Falbing Broker the ceasefire in
the Middle East? A whole bunch of techs come.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Through, Hi guys. One of the releast hostages says that
when his captors realized that Trump was doing well in
the polls for the US election, they were very concerned.
They wanted Kamala Harris to win, and as soon as
Trump got in they started treating him better, gave him
more food, and stopped spitting on him. They knew he
was a great supporter of the Jewish people, unlike the Democrats.
That's from viv This sex says Trump has long wanted

(56:34):
to sort the Israeli war out. He wants to control
Gaza and wants to build his Rivi era in Gaza.
He only has his self interest in mind. The freedom
of the hostage makes him look good and strokes his ego.
I thank you for that text, Tony.

Speaker 8 (56:51):
Oh well, Johnny, just.

Speaker 7 (56:56):
What people do with these pros bumps to the people,
a little charging and carrying on and really make it
lofe uncomfortable for people all over the place. They've got
to remember that we don't want to have started Who
started it and who shouted babies that a dozen babies
and cots with thoughts when they've broke into the cabats,

(57:18):
as well as shooting other people. People forget that. But
the objective was obviously to get these hostages back. And
I never thought I'd die it, but good old Donald
Trump he did.

Speaker 22 (57:30):
Well.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
So have you been are you? Are you, broadly speaking,
a supporter of Donald Trump? Or are you someone that's
begrudgingly giving Donald Trump credit for the situation I wouldn't.

Speaker 7 (57:41):
Term and we use the terminology begrudgingly. I think he
doesn't matter what was rhetoric, because if he whoever's in
charge of any country that gets a job done like
he has done. And when these other hand riggers in
the European come on market, they just didn't have any
idea what to do. But he pressed on and he's
got the results.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Can you accept or do you believe that this was
quite a complex deal to get across the line for
administration and the you know, the other nations that they
brought into this. Do you think it was quite a
complex operation to get this across the line?

Speaker 7 (58:16):
Well, with that doubt, and you got Kuta, Turkey and
a couple of other countries. And I think a lot
of people forget his team too. They'll work tirelessly once
and the other Secretary of State and the other three guys,
even the Kennedy going. You know, there was heaps of
them that it really worked hard to get the still going.
And it's no wonder this well you'd have to acknowledge

(58:36):
it to you. It's a lot of Trump has got
a hero's welcome in his role.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely, I mean there is obviously seeing those
image images of the hostages reuniting with their family, you
can't help but see what a poignant moment that is.
And on the other side as well, with the Palestinians release,
do you think it will.

Speaker 7 (58:57):
Last the still if they keep their nose out of guards, well,
because they're gonna You're heard on the news earlier on,
it was just a matter of before those happened. In
the Israeli has moved out of Gaza. But all these
fractions are fighting amongst themselves. Now this game is setting up,
so let them take care of themselves and them treat
each other up. They don't need his roll anymore because

(59:19):
they go to these factions are going to do it.
Do it for the Israelis. They're going to you know,
it's going to be gettings everywhere and what have you.
But you've got to think of the people and just
an conclusion. I just watched it and just hope that
everything works out for these poor people in Gaza.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Yes, Tony, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Yeah, I mean it's it's always the the innocent people
that it's I mean, the innocent people with no power
and all these conflicts, which is which is the absolute tragedy. Absolutely,
and you know, the Palestine people are victims of I
would say Hamas and and this war in general.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Yeah, good discussion, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Yeah. Well, whether credit is due to Trump partially or fully,
you've got to say we're currently experiencing some peace in
the area and that means there has been less horror
in recent days.

Speaker 8 (01:00:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I mean, although there were some terrible shootings. Hamas executed
some people overnight, so there are still horror and there
still will be some horror. But I think we all
agree that a ceasefire is a good thing at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
And here's hoping it's at last, right. Thank you very
much for all the phone calls and texts on that one.
Coming up after the headlines with Raylene, we want to
have a chat about summer jobs for teams. There was
a story and newsroom saying it's pretty hard for teams
to track down those jobs at the moment. So that's
what we want to have a chat about. Are your
teams finding it hard to lock in those summer jobs
and if your employer, do you have jobs that need
to be filled. Our one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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is a number to call. Headlines coming up.

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Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean, So story about summer
jobs for teens and newsroom today. It is a bit
of a key we write of passage. Many would remember
the summer jobs that they had when they were teenagers
before going into full time work, flipping burgers, stacking shelves,
et cetera, et cetera. But according to this article, it's
getting harder for these young people to find jobs. Student
jobs I Search show listings are up sixteen percent year

(01:02:31):
on year. That's pretty good, but applications of climbed twenty
eight percent.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Is that way you get a job through student job search?
I used to find when when I was at UNI,
I'd go to student job search and they weren't very
useful for me, right, but I ended up voice wanning work.
I ended up I ended up picking a lot of
picking a lot of fruit. But yeah, your summer jobs
have I mean this people might disagree with this, but
I've got some fantastic memories from my summer jobs. Yeah,

(01:02:55):
when I was at UNI before I went into the workforce.
But is this true that that it's hard to find
some summer work for kids. I know my son didn't
have any trouble last year. That's good finding finding summer work.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
I think you've always got a hustle. And you talked
about student job search, because I freaking love that. When
I was looking for a summer job, and I did
all sorts, it was painting a woman's house. Me and
a mate would always jump on the same jobs. We
were moving, helping an old lady move some furniture, and
it was always good money. I mean, we love the
moving jobs because it would be two hours work. And
I know I'm a terrible movin now, but it'll be

(01:03:27):
two hours work and you get one hundred and fifty
bucks each.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
I mean, it's good money finding summer work when you're
that age. Is it about getting on the hustle. Yeah, hastling,
hassling relatives, hastling friends, family, Is that I think that's
how I got work. Yeah, i'd go onto student job search.
That'd be some stuff. You could get a couple of
days here and there doing something. But yeah, pretty sure
I got on my work just by hassling people that

(01:03:51):
I knew.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
I was pretty lucky with some summers that my dad
is an electrician, so he'd have some laboring work. But
you're quite right, there was sometimes he said, I've got
no work for you, so I'm not going to get
you just doing nothing. You've actually got to go find something.
But then he'd say, hey, call this chippy, and then
I'd call that chippy, Hey have you at any laboring
weeks that now I've got nothing, try this fella. So
I'd be calling through the different building companies until I

(01:04:12):
found someone to say, yep, you can come and move
a wilbarrow for a couple of hours.

Speaker 22 (01:04:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
So were you having to pay your way through university?

Speaker 20 (01:04:18):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
I was, Yeah, so it became it was urgent to
get the work.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Yeah, or else there'd be no drinking money. There'd be
bucker food money. That's the important things. We're at university.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
And pardon my ignorance on the issue. And I know
that this has changed for eighteen and nineteen year olds
if your parents own over over sixty five thousand. But
if someone's been at university and they don't find work
in that break, is the unemployment and benefit available for
them the job seek it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
It won't be from next year so are they going
to bring in that policy from next year? So, I
mean that would make it even more motivation to try
and hustle up and try and find a summer job. Oh,
e one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
What are good summer jobs? What were the summer jobs
that you did, and how are your kids going with
finding those summer jobs?

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Love to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Nine two niney two is the text number.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Wow, Okay, this heating up this people are interested about this.
Then to the I can't speak. I can't believe I've
got a job at all, especially when in broadcasting. I'd
like to say that this topic is heating up summer jobs.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Let's get into it. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighties
the number to call.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
It's a fresh take on talk back. It's mad Heathen
Tyler Adams. Afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
They'd be afternoon. We're talking about summer jobs. Apparently there
aren't too many out there, but is it really true?
And what are the good summer jobs? Or one hundred
eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Mark, welcome the show.

Speaker 18 (01:05:38):
Oh, hi, guys, I think it was the last government
who got rid of the student pay. So someone who's
going to employ someone if they've got no experience or anything,
they have to pay them the minimum pay payway. So
why would you employ someone when you've already got someone

(01:05:58):
who knows the stuff and what they're doing. If you've
got someone to do odd jobs, do you still have
to pay them the same as someone who's doing it
full time?

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
So what odd student student pay? What sort of percentage
of the minimum wage was it?

Speaker 20 (01:06:14):
I'm not sure it was.

Speaker 18 (01:06:16):
I think just for Ragan's sake, say if the minimum
pay was twenty two dollars, it was something like sixteen
or seventeen dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Because I remember being paid a lot less, and it
was kind of the understanding that because you weren't here,
you know you were you were in a full time employee,
weren't there for the long haul, you were just working
over summer, you did get paid paid less. That that
was just kind of a deal, wasn't it.

Speaker 21 (01:06:38):
Well that was the deal.

Speaker 18 (01:06:39):
But you also weren't.

Speaker 20 (01:06:43):
Skilled enough to do what the other people are doing.

Speaker 18 (01:06:46):
You may have to learn stuff. Yeah, but I got
my son a job quite quite easily because I said,
go and work. Go and say you worked for them
for a week for nothing, and they can train you
up and then you can go in and do the work.
And he never got turned down.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
That's smart. I'm just thinking, you know, on the old
pay situation, I know this for effect. Actually when I
was using student job search that it was cash and
hand jobs, so effectively, I think you'd call them cashes.
I mean, you know, I know people get a bit
funny when you talk about cashes, But when it's a
student looking for a bit of summer work, is there
anything wrong with with cashes for the students to help out?

Speaker 18 (01:07:27):
No at all. I always well, if I can use
cash for most things, I usually do, and you sometimes
can get a cheaper price because you've bought something by cash.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Yeah, but hang on minute. So there's always a reason
why you could do a cashi. So if you say
our students can do cashis then what Then the next
person goes, well, what about me? Why can't I do
a cashe whit? What are those? What are those bloody students.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
At the university? Bloody lose is getting the cashy? But yeah,
I mean, how does it work for it? On the
tech situation, sorry, you.

Speaker 18 (01:08:01):
Go, Mark, they get paid a lot less. Yeah, And
I think that's the main difference is it's not just
to knock off the GST do it for cash type thing.
It's not the GST off twice yeah, and then.

Speaker 23 (01:08:15):
You get the CASHI.

Speaker 8 (01:08:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:08:17):
So it's not full on and it doesn't matter what
you do as long as they turn up. And that
was the thing which when my son did it, he
was turning up and that's what they liked.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Yeah, yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
But I'm just thinking, you know those moving jobs I
talked about, and it was an elderly lady and we
were moving a couple of couches for her and she
paid us in cash. You can't tell me she's running
that through the books. You know that that was a
straight up cashy. So I don't know whether there must
have been some sort of tax exemption for when you
were doing a student job suits like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Well, someone's saying here, student payers eighteen dollars per hour.
I need to get to the bottom of this. Yeah,
I should know this going into the subject. So shame
on me for two days in a row. Shame on me,
shame on my name. But going into this topic, I
thought that just the minimum wage was a blankets the board.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Well, to be fair, that's what I thought as well,
because that's when you go into a full time job.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
I mean, I mean, once you're over sixteen, I mean,
because there's a different wage, right yeah, yeah, yeah, yes,
But we'll get to we'll get to the bottom of that,
right yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
If you know, if you know, if you're a student
out there listening right now, I love to hear from you.
On oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Joanne agrees with me. Cashi's are tax fraud. End of story.
See that's the thing people like you tell you were
like just as a little cashy for me, because you know,
I'm just working in the summer, because for me, for me,
me me, me, me, me, me me, you know it. Meanwhile,
everyone else is having to pay tax to contribute.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Little old bits. He needed to couch his moves. And
you know she doesn't want to run there through the books.
I'm not gonna She's lived a good life. We've got
to mark get mark second, mark two marks in a row.

Speaker 6 (01:09:50):
Welcome to Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:09:52):
Mark two version here is to reminisce you know, late eighties,
early nineties we're all here to Alexandra sent to a
tago Lovely for free picking specifically you know, cherries, apricotts
and whatever else. And it was good times, you know,
so we got made good money, a lot of socializing

(01:10:14):
going on at the local pubs and Clyde and Alexandra.
You know, there was all sort of good money. The
guys and girls that.

Speaker 19 (01:10:22):
Couldn't pick fruit, we would discard them to one side
and they'd split the earnings amongst each other or the
rest of us that could smash it out. You know,
you started six in the morning, plenty exercise, swimming.

Speaker 18 (01:10:35):
In the rivers. So yeah, yeah, it was about it
was awesome. Actually, well I.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Did the same thing. I was up in Blenham picking
pricking cherries. But there's definitely a huge difference between, as
you say, Mark, those that can make money doing it
and those that are useless. And back then when I
was doing it and there was only only got paid
by the tray, so there was no there was no
minimum wage situation.

Speaker 15 (01:10:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
They came around and said this is tray and they
had to be exports, so it had to be a
tray of the absolute best. Guy would come around on
his four wheeler and go.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
Nap and there was no pointing rocks at the bottom
of your punnet to try and weigh it down.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
My mate Caine was making no money. It was just
too always too hungover and too useless. Too mate.

Speaker 19 (01:11:18):
We used to love the blues, bruise and barbecues, hitting out,
getting into sinto.

Speaker 23 (01:11:22):
A target, so we would you could hit your night out.

Speaker 19 (01:11:26):
I don't think many students pick fruit anymore.

Speaker 23 (01:11:29):
Probably eat it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
You used to put fruit, it didn't you as well? Tighter?

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We picked apricots and it was
the same situation as you had the really hard workers
and they had the whole family down there and they
would just head down and they were going gang buses
and they made good money. But us idiots, who were
you know, chucking fruit at each other.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
And we got our warnings rocking and at sixtem stinking
of booze, massive headache, just trying to cost us.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
More money in Petro to get out there. Oh one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is being able to call
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out there? And what did you do did you have
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Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Storks there be. It is ten two three and we
have been talking about summer jobs. What were the summer
jobs you did to get through and save a bit
of money for university or other Love to hear from you, Oh,
one hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Hey guys, there's something called a training rate which some
players use to get around the minimum wage payment. You
can only pay someone their rate for six months, and
the idea is you're supposed to be trusting them. My
son had a summer job at a restaurant. They had
them on this but he was doing full ordering front
of house. He wasn't training. That annoyed me. He left
and has a much better weekend job where they value

(01:13:16):
him for the job he does. All right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Interesting is the text number? So you you've opened up
a can of words here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
It's just the casual way you say, surely a cash
he's all right for a student on a for a
summer job. It's just such an elitist attitude. It's one
rule for the tertiary students, one rule for the elites,
and then a different rule for the rest of us.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Cheeky under the table, nothing wrong with.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
It, Cray, Welcome to the show, oh gentlemen.

Speaker 25 (01:13:50):
So many, so many different cans to unfold it. So
construction background, right. I used to go on school holidays
and dig trenches. My dad was a conquered and he
just draw out with a canna dazzle where my trenches

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need to be, and I just dig them, so hard work.
But he said, oh yeah, you work a man's job.
You get paid of a man's wage. So I dig
them and I was quite happy to do that. And
it was bloody awsome. There was a lot of money,
you know what I mean, It was like it seemed
like a lot of money. It probably wasn't too anyone else,

(01:14:33):
but it was a good coin. But the problem we
have now is you can't let a young guy into
a construction site and just give a hand like we
used to on the old days, because he's now got
to go through the whole safety procedure. He's going to
need gloves, he's going to still keep boots, he's going

(01:14:55):
to need training on OSH requirements and don't signed out.

Speaker 8 (01:15:02):
He's going to have to do.

Speaker 25 (01:15:05):
Toolbox meetings and all these sorts of things. Suddenly you've
got where it went from, you know, turning up with
one of your dad's mates and giving yourself, you know,
fifteen twenty bucks in her cash.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Yeah right, you know.

Speaker 25 (01:15:19):
Now it all has to be done really carefully. I mean,
my son has helped me sometimes in the past when
he was a student and I've said, well, if you
fall off that roofmatee, I'm just going to drag you
out to the road and say you fell and get
hit the bike car easier because acc is not going

(01:15:40):
to cover you if you got hurt on the job.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
So that's not really what you're saying is it's not
really worth the trouble for someone to just employ a
person that's going to be around for a month or
six wells because the admin leading them in there and
the responsibility that's that's one of those unforeseen circumstances. But
you know, so do you think health and safety has

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gone too far? Craig, Because obviously the other thing is
you don't want to lose an arm on your summer job.

Speaker 25 (01:16:08):
You don't want you don't want young guys getting hurt.
But I think it's gone too far. Like I think
it was really cool when you rock along with your
dad or one of your dad's mates and going to
stuff on a farm or go and do something like that.
Now there's just no way I would take the risk
of taking him go into building sight without through all that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Yeah, yeah, but Plava makes sense. So what actually changed
was this work safe?

Speaker 15 (01:16:33):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Because I'm just thinking about you know, laboring for Chippy's
and doing various jobs and working for dad as a sparky.
Was it that work safe transition that then made health
and safety too regulated to get a young guy to
do odd jobs.

Speaker 25 (01:16:48):
Yeah, so I kind of figure. This happened probably about
ten years ago roughly, right, Yeah, because a lot of
us used to take young guys onto site. So it'll
be I'm just going off the top of the hedio
a teen years ago, and we used to have guys
working with me, going hey, is there any chance my
boy can come and a hand. We were like, yeah, absolutely,

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And we used to do that all the time, and
we did look after them like we didn't. We certainly
didn't hand them a mess of sore and go yeah,
just cutting stuff up.

Speaker 11 (01:17:18):
Yeah, it was they were.

Speaker 25 (01:17:21):
We made sure that they were operational.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
I don't know about that, Craig.

Speaker 8 (01:17:25):
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
I was one day, just got to ring up and
said we need someone working on the construction site. And
I had no idea, but I arrived, I was given
a hat, I was handed a shovel, and then I
was shoved. I was lowered down a lift shaft with
someone had poured, you know, poured a whole lot of
gravel into the wrong hole. So they was trying to

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make one higher, but they'd made the high one. So
I was just down there all day, just shoveling into
buckets they were pulling out. No health and safety. I
was just lowered straight down the hole.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
And go to the sun.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
We've got this, we've got this, we've got this annoying
we've got this annoying student. We're going to put them
down the hole and make them work.

Speaker 25 (01:18:03):
I guess there was some who are perads like that.
I mean I was always aware, Yeah, we're going to
look at for these young guys, and most of the yeah,
the guys working for me, it was me kids, so
I was certainly going to look after them.

Speaker 13 (01:18:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Well, they made me stand outside the truck and they
were just handing me bit to checking out that it
was right when they started raining. There wasn't even room
in the truck handing bits of checking out to put
on my bread roll. That's about the only kindness of
shot that is hard.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Yeah, yeah, crazy.

Speaker 25 (01:18:31):
We've had guys that last than now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Yeah, this is too hard.

Speaker 25 (01:18:37):
That didn't say it was going to be this hard, Yeah,
I thought, yeah, well yeah, but they're obviously offer universally
those ones.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah, thanks you cool, Craig, Yeah, good cool.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties number of call,
Plenty of teakes coming through on nine to nine to two.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
The six this minium wages exactly that regardless of age.
Now there is a lower training wage, but this is
short term and not intended it as a way to
reduce the employer's wage bill long term.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Interesting, we've got about forty five seconds. Should we try, hunter, Hunter,
we've got the news hot on our tale. But what
did you do? As a students?

Speaker 26 (01:19:12):
I said, And I was working just as like a handyman.
I basically just put a message out on the community
facebook pages, say that I was looking for work and
it was just great while I was it.

Speaker 23 (01:19:24):
You need to get some cash rolling in.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Were they cashes? Was that a formal operation going on
the Hunter?

Speaker 12 (01:19:30):
No?

Speaker 23 (01:19:31):
Those were cashes?

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
Good man. Yeah, there we go. See that's what we're
talking about. Hunter. Thank you very much, mate, great discussion.
Lock them up, Lock them I call the IID coming
up after three o'clock. We've already had so many ticks
about this. But whale experiences, what are your experiences? We'll
tell you more very shortly. News is next.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Good a to you. Welcome back into the show. It
is six past three awesome, DA have your company as always,
so let's have a chat about wal A cool story
in the New Zealand hero you can ever read of it. Megaloo,
the world famous white whale, maybe back in New Zealand
waters following a possible sighting near Kai Quarter. It's a
humpback and it's only one of four white whales ever

(01:20:21):
recorded worldwide. Footage has been shared on social media of
the albino humpback surfacing south of Kai Quarter, now Megaloo.
The name translates as whitefella.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Right, so as Migaloo just the same as it always
the same whale. Yeah, it's this one that was celebrated
at the opening ceremony of the Olympics and such.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
I believe you're right. So a bit of information about Megaloo.
He was first sighted in nineteen ninety one off the
coast of Byron Bay. However, he's not been spotted around
Australia since twenty twenty. He was first seen here in
twenty fifteen and is no one to travel in New
Zealand waters with gaps in citing history and.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Everyone says that everyone's up in sticks and leaving New
Zealand for Australia, but not Miggaloo Megaloo's I'm coming back.
I like New Zealand better. The grass is green here
and yeah, not so great over there. Sounds so I
rate and Byron bays.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Clear that's the sort of migrants we need in New Zealand.
But it is an incredible sighting an albino whale only
one of four in the world. That's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Yeah, look, I get that, but as I said before,
I've never seen a whale. I don't care whether it
was an albino whale or whatever kind of whale. I
just want to see a whale. Of paid in a
number of places to go out on whale watching, yep,
never had any luck. I've I've seen some dolphins are nice.
I've been chased by a sea elephant. I've pissed it
around some seals, sea lions, let's go bit of that.

(01:21:41):
But out at sea, I've never seen a Whale's still
got whale, and I would love I'd love to see
a whale. I love Whalesyeah, huge fan, huge fan. I
want to see one up close, and so I e
T one hundred and eighty ten eighty. How do you
go about actually getting to see a whale because I've
paid for the trips. What's the best place to see

(01:22:01):
a whale in New Zealand? Everyone talks about Kai Kora,
but I went out in Cokora and it's in sea whale.
And I've heard that you can get a voucher now,
so if you don't see a whale, you get a
voucher to go out again. Yeah, you get another freeb
for I've never experienced that, and I've never blamed the
people when I've gone out while watching Yeah, because I
thought it just there's got to be a certain amount
of luck to it, right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
You know, that's part of the deal, absolutely, And I
think they say that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Yeah, so we want to hear your amazing nature stories,
your encounters.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty, and where is the
best place for Matt to be able to finally tack
that whale? On his Bingo card of Wildlife.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
John says, Hey, guys, some years ago, my wife and
I stood on the footpath of Dupay Bay in central
Oregon and watch whales feeding about twenty meters offshore. Wow,
Depot Bay is a big whale watching area, but our
experience show you didn't even need to leave town to
have a great whale experience. I was meeting that's pretty awesome.
My mate's got a batch and it's sort of on

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the beach, and I let's stay up there with him
and his lovely wife regularly.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
And last time I was up there, they were like, oh,
there was a there was a there was a you know,
an orcan just eating race just in front of the batch,
just fifteen minutes ago.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
That hurts to hear that for you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Yeah, And I stupidly stop to get myself a red
bull at a at a dairy on the way, and
that was the fifteen minute so I didn't get to
see the whale. Then I think on something about me
that that scares off marine line.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Now they must see you coming. Oh eight one hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call Whale Experiences
Where and what happened? Love to hear from you. Nine
to nine two is the text number.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Has Keisha Castle Hughes written, Migeloo, I don't think so, No,
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
No good texts though ten past three his talks'd be
afternoon thirteen past three. We're talking about whale experiences. Love
to hear yours. This is after Migloo. Only one of
four albino humpbacks in the world, was spotted off the
coast of Klake Quarter eight hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Wayne says, Matt, you muppet, and Orca is a type
of dolphin, not a whale. But I thought because our whales,
because the dolphins and dolphins are whales or a type
of whale.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
Well, they call them keller whale. It's kind of in
the name, isn't it. Orca keller whale.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
I know, but they get their names on things wrong
all the time, you know, Yeah, because I don't know.
But am I right? The or killer whale is a
tooth whale and the largest member of the oceanic dolphin family.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Well that's confusing, the.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Only extent species in the genus or Connie. So yeah,
so that's the weird thing. So dolphins are whales. So
when I say I haven't really seen a whale, I'm
wrong because I've been fishing and there's been dolphins around
the boat and that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Yeah that is.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
And I've swum with porpoises that is cool. Swamp swung
a lot with porpoises down in Otago and Dunedan do.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
They get pretty close. Yeah, yeah, you're right, I'm with you.
Are out That is cool. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighties number to call. Get Andrew.

Speaker 8 (01:25:05):
Nives out chafing down mar Here Peninsula. Well a few
years ago now out on the corner of a bay
overtime a bay and a big way twenty feet away
just surface. So it's you know, it's it's filling, barnacles
all over it. And it was a beautiful day water
sight to see.

Speaker 12 (01:25:23):
I'll never forget it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
What kind of world was that, Andrew?

Speaker 4 (01:25:27):
I was?

Speaker 8 (01:25:27):
I think it was a humpback like I had barnacles
on the art. Sure there was. The guys in the
mass buys were out in a little boat sort of
minus storing up.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
And so so so what you were You were out
in a boat, were you, Andrew?

Speaker 8 (01:25:41):
No, we were just outsurfing on the corner of the bay,
which was a big bay. And they came around the
corner into the bay as we were surfing, and they went.
One of them just popped up out of the waters.
You know, they blow the air out and it was
only like a stone throw. A incredible site and it
was a nice sunny day and yeah, just one of
those things you just don't forget.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
And was that was it spiritual or was it a
bit scary?

Speaker 8 (01:26:03):
Well, no, we weren't scared. We didn't. We got a
bit of a fright, you can they're not they're not,
They're not going to tick here. And it was just
going past and it was just came up and went
down again and wow and seeing those barnacles and it
was just.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
Incredible, how cool? And did it get the wee tail
up or it kind of just surface for a bet?
Did the blowhole?

Speaker 8 (01:26:23):
And and then and then the left guy came around
the corner after that and waved us and we pointed,
and then they gave us the thumbs up. And I'm
pretty sure the place where whales go to die. I
haven't looked look it up. I can't be sure that,
but I've been told that we get a lot of spriendings.

Speaker 4 (01:26:41):
In that over time of bow.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
So you're basically you're basically close enough to get snotted
on from the blowhole there.

Speaker 6 (01:26:48):
Andrew pretty much, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:26:50):
Pretty much, just really remember it. Well, it was just incredible,
how good?

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
How good?

Speaker 8 (01:26:56):
You see?

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
That's this is this is what I wanted in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Is getting getting your fizzed up.

Speaker 18 (01:26:59):
I want I want a.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Whale to surface near me. When doy you've seen a
bunch of whales in your.

Speaker 24 (01:27:04):
Time several times, it's I can tell you somewhere you
can go. You're absolutely guaranteed to see a whale because
the skip of refuses to come in to shore until
you do.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
That sounds like a good person.

Speaker 24 (01:27:23):
And this particular day we were out the weather was
absolutely beautiful and I have a mess, and the skipper
said to me, I guarantee the boat the whale will
come near you. And it certainly did. It came as

(01:27:44):
close to the boat as I was able to touch.

Speaker 8 (01:27:46):
It.

Speaker 24 (01:27:48):
Absolutely extraordinary because he thought that I would come to
come near you because of your condition. Yes, and he said,
it's very strange that when he has people who are
compromised on the boat, that they always come to the
boat where that person is.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Wow.

Speaker 24 (01:28:07):
And that actually happened. But what we used to do
was because it was certainly more than you know. I
must have gone out on it half a dozen times,
and I have to admit it was my brother's well
watch business. And yeah, so you know we got it
at a pretty good price. But you go out for
the day. And like I said, he refused to come

(01:28:29):
in until you had actually seen a whale, and you
usually saw several and they would be jumping, they'd be
tail flapping, that'd be just about everything that you would
want to see that a whale does.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
It's incredible.

Speaker 24 (01:28:45):
And what we used to do is yell and scream
and wave your arms and they came to the boat.

Speaker 8 (01:28:53):
Wow.

Speaker 24 (01:28:55):
Now I'm not kidding. It sounds extraordinary, but it's absolutely
how it happened. And this is only reasonably recent. He
sold the business probably, oh, I don't know, a year,
eighteen months ago. The business is called Freedom Well Watch,
but certainly it's in Australia, I see. But if you

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if you're absolutely one of those people, that's just it's
like going to see the gorillas. If you actually want
to go and see a whale, that was the place
to go.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
And I understand where whereabouts is Freedom Well Watch operating
out of Wendy.

Speaker 24 (01:29:36):
It's operating out of Harvey Bay, which is just three
hours north of Brisbane, right, so easy enough to get to,
no problem at all. And you know, google it you'll
see freedom on the net. And like I say, if
you're one of those people that's starting to go and
see a whale, then then.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Then that's a good freedom. Whale watches is a good option.
Harvey Bay, all right, thank you for thank you for that, Wendy.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
That is a great tip. I wait, und eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Plenty of texts coming
through nine two ninety two as well.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Where's where's Copeland's Bakery? I don't know. I think there's
a few right around. Are there is that a branch?
Because it just someone saying that you can see whales
out in the front of Copeland's Bakery most days.

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
Well, that's easy to find each you mate, you can
hit down there after work if you want.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
But it's not at sea.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
No, it's not at sea.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Okay, thank you for that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Tick slack right, and it's nineteen bars three back in
the mo oh eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Twenty two past three. We're talking about whale experiences you've had.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
So so you know, the thing is people are acting
like I haven't been out on the water. I'm out
on the water fishing a lot you are, and then
the hodeck you golf a lot you know, and uh
fang dudu bay. I'm all around here. Yeah, I'm fishing
all I'm out there all the time. That's why I'm
saying it's so weird that I never see whales.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
There should be plenty of whales to see. If everybody
else has seen.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
One, see I've got there's something about me that repels
marine mammals. The stick says you're missing an opportunity to
weaponize the Heath effect. Think how many whale strandings could
be saved you around.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
That's right, there's a great point. We need to station
you at farewells.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
But if you think some a POD's about to strand itself,
invite me down for a look and they'll head back
out to see Project Jonah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
If you need a whale caller, Mad Heath is standing by.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:31:36):
Yeah, good mate. I'm not going to talk about a
whale and counter all though I have seen one on
the kai Kura thing and wasn't that impressed on it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Stalled the tail, but that tell's pretty good bit of it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:51):
My call actually comes under the Umbrella of wild Life
and Counsel, which I heard. I said, I heard you mention,
and I've not been able to get out of my
head for the last two or three weeks. Your tale
about being followed.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Home by a rat, Yeah, that's in Fulham.

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
I just find that hideously horrible and quite quite amazing
that you know that could happen. I guess being followed
home by by a lion might be worse, but you
followed home by a rat.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
It was a huge It was a huge rat. To Dave,
it's if it's haunting your your thoughts, think what it's
done to me. I couldn't believe it. I was walking along,
it was following me, and then it's and it sped
up when I sped up. And then then it followed
me down the stairs because it was a basement apartment.
And then I shut the door and it scratched on
the door. It was out to get me. This that
London rats are a different kind of thing. I think

(01:32:49):
this was king rat. I think there was the head
of the rat.

Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
I can't imagine anything worse than that. And I think
it's a great tale. And yeah, I don't know what
could be worse than being followed home by a rat.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
No, I think it's unfair. Thank you for cool, Dave.
I think it's unfair that I've seen one of the
great rats and happily trade in that rat for for
just just the tip of a tale of a whale.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
That is a beautiful wildlife experience, I've got to say, mate,
being stalked by king rat Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
You've seen some whales in Southland.

Speaker 12 (01:33:22):
Actually the i've seen free because I'm from Toned and
so I remember Mum taking me out. I know, I
know how those target boys got a rugly Anyway, anyway,
we were out yeah Alpatara heads out their way by
the albatross colony out there, I must have ten and

(01:33:43):
I spotted these whales coming in and there was a
big bull and a couple of carbs and must have
been a couple of female and there actually were sperm
whales right yeah, because you know where you stand over
his offence and you can look up where all the
albatrosses are like it's a messive drop.

Speaker 4 (01:34:01):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 12 (01:34:03):
That was really impressive. And then the last two times
was when we went to and Picago. I took the
kids and led to Bluff and it was a horrendous day,
like you know, slideways rain like everything in the vocagulary
were in the slideways and a couple of whales were
coming in the inlet and it was low tide, so
the local said it was pretty unusual and they come

(01:34:23):
in during low tide. But the most impressive that we
saw would have been a couple of years ago. Took
the kids down fishing down Riverton, just in the esteys.
The inlet comes in by the coast guard down there,
and we were wondering why all the skate and the
sting rays was flying in and out of the water.
Well when it comes a family of walkers, wow, chasing them.

(01:34:45):
You know that it was really really impressive. But I
didn't realize walkers. I think it's the Southern ones, you know,
the ones that hang around Antarctica in our area. They
are predominantly carnival like, you know, they'll eat the seal
and dolphins and everything else. And I think it's a
normal ones that hang up in Northern Hemisphere predominantly eat fish.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
So I even knew that, right, Yeah, because the ones
intact away, well, they'll they'll hustle a seal. Yep, they
also Hassle a penguin.

Speaker 12 (01:35:17):
Yeah, and also on my homotopic of rats, and we
were shifting pellets and of course he's had boxes and
of course they got and cleaned them. There was this
one big rat that come out and he just up
on the fence post and he looked at me and
you know what, he reminded me of your big zip

(01:35:38):
on a white buyer's nose.

Speaker 23 (01:35:39):
You know who reminded me of who.

Speaker 15 (01:35:44):
Is it?

Speaker 12 (01:35:44):
Is it Tyler? Remember you had Tyler?

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Yeah, very good marks, a good memory memory of yours.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Just it's not even a scar tiler I do.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
I ut meant like that quite often as well.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Mate, Hey, do you know what I've been You know
the have you ever been out on the Monarch that
that that you can go out and out of out
of Dunedin to go and look around and it sails
out towards tyro Head. I've been out on the Monarch
for times. I love that and I've seen, you know,
you see some great stuff out there and you know
obviously been out to tyro Head. So that's part of

(01:36:16):
the reason why I'm so gutted that I have never
seen a while because you think you're back yourself to
see a whale on the on the monarch.

Speaker 12 (01:36:24):
Yeah, yeah, no I haven't, but you'd go out. We
recently were Aramajuana and take a big walk along that
big clay like you.

Speaker 4 (01:36:33):
Think it's a male.

Speaker 12 (01:36:34):
It's not. Actually it's the mole.

Speaker 16 (01:36:35):
The male.

Speaker 12 (01:36:35):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
And you'll see a seal on that.

Speaker 12 (01:36:42):
They stink off that mole. Talking about wildlife, my dad
was in sixty eight, when he was eighteen, Him and
his mates were fishing off the all. They're right down
below and this big great white shark just glided right
in front of them, and I'm talking about a meter away. Well, unfortunately,

(01:37:04):
a week later, I don't know if you know, but
it's sort of in the history books with the shark attacks.
A young UNI student was out there spear fishing and
he was tacked attacked a week later. My dad's always
hel guiltful that because he turned around and said, like today,
if we were set a great white shark somewhere where
people fish and swim, you genuinely notified doc right, and

(01:37:25):
they reckon it could have been the same. But yeah,
but that's that was my dad's wildlife encounter. You'll never
forget that, he said, he was eighteen years old, and
they will never forget there was a massive great white
shark and they ran dropped the rods and ran ran
up the side of the knoll.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
Yeah, well that's something I'm not so keen.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
Yes, that would be terriful.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
I've seen the old I've seen the old Marco out
at sea.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
That's enough.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
Yeah, that's enough in terms of sharks. But a great
white Marco. But the snapper off my son's fish line
at one point. Goot a good shot of that. Yeah,
it's a good feed for size Marko. Yeah, would you
ever get one of those shark cages? I think they
do that down in Bluff, don't they. I've been in
the shark cage in Kelly Touttan's Underwater World, floating around
with the tiger sharks.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
How was that?

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
That's pretty cool? Yeah, A weird thing happens when you
spend a lot of time really close to sharks. Are
really weird things happens. Okay, they suddenly just become big
fish because there's so much mystique around them. And we've
all seen jaws, we've all seen deep Blue and and
you know the meg and the meg too. Yeah, but

(01:38:28):
they are big fish. Yeah, yeah, just characters. That seems
like a stupid thing to say, but.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
Again I'll get what you mean that there's this big
thing that's built up with sharks, and then when you're
in there and you stop feeling that fear and you
just see you're just a cute little fish.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
It's a bit different if it was a great white.
I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
of core wildlife experiences love to hear yours. It is
banging on hYP us.

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Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty six to form.
We're talking about wild experiences and wildlife experience, So is
keen to hear yours h eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
It sounds like you've been pretty unlucky, Matts is this text?
I've only been boat fishing about four times around Hodaki
Golf and dolphins have been chasing our boat at least twice,
and saw a few whales surfacing and splashing around. But
the most amazing thing I ever saw was when I
was snorkeling a school of baby squid who had seemed
very curious about the strange creature that had come into
their midst. They were all maintaining a presence precise distance

(01:40:34):
from each other and from me, which had the effect
of them appearing like a concave lens. Wow, a wall
of eyes watching me. You can definitely tell they have
intelligence beyond normal fish. Will they do? Don't they?

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
That is quite terrifying.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
I often think, what does okay? I often think with
whales and dolphins and such, what do they think when
they see these monkeys out on a boat? And the
thing they don't know is that we're just we're just
the surface of it, because you know, they when they surface,
because I don't know, they can't see the cities we
have and the and the you know, the traffic jams
and the fact that we're sending people into space. So

(01:41:11):
they just see some monkeys floating around trying to pull
some fish out, and they go, that's interesting you guys
up to But they've got no idea but the extent
of it. I mean, every now and then they'd come
across a container ship or or a cruise ship and go, well,
that's that's huge. But their perspective us of us is
very intelligent. Beings must be very odd.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
They seem to think we're right though. I mean, dolphins
could could really do some damage if they wanted to,
but they seem to like us.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Well, relations between human and wale haven't always always been
that good, I mean very true. Yeah, every now and
then we'll whip out a harpoon. Captain ahead, welcome your
well story.

Speaker 23 (01:41:49):
Yeah, I actually have a story that really ready touched me.
I was on the east coast of Africa. I was surfing.
It was it was a rainy day over cars, it was.
The back line was very calm, and I saw some
disturbed water sort of right next to me, about a

(01:42:11):
meter or two away, And the next thing, I saw
a massive whale shark come up. And so I sort
of sat there and shock a little bit, trying to
understand what I wanted to do. And so I took
my leash off and I decided I was going to
hold onto this weale shark's dorsal and swim a bit
of it. And so I did. And the whale sharks

(01:42:33):
that have started, you know, going down thinking what the
hell is hanging on to me? And I try, I
try to hang on as much as I covid At
about ten meters deep. I started getting a little scar
because light was fading and I had this massive thing
and I saw let go and watched it sort of

(01:42:54):
swim away into the distance. But yeah, it was something
something really cool and I'll never forget. So not a whale,
but a whale shark.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
Yeah, but a big shock. And you, I guess with
a weal shark, you know it's not going to be
interested in eating you, which is which is helpful, isn't it?
That was the part.

Speaker 23 (01:43:13):
Yeah, I didn't have any to eat me, but yeah, ready.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
Coin, that's great, thank you for that. So this this
sharks going is it?

Speaker 8 (01:43:21):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
See what's this creature doing? This monkey?

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
Where's he grabbed my dorsal for? And what's going on here?
I was just having a nice swim.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
Well, well sharks, and I think well sharks are one
of the oldest sharks, you know, evolutionarily speaking, well sharks
have been around for about as long as sharks have
been around.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
Pretty funky looking.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
Hey, thanks for sharing, Chad, appreciate that great story. Darren,
You've had some wild experiences in Australia.

Speaker 22 (01:43:46):
Yeah, just to concur if the lady had called earlier
Harvey Bay, we just went up there.

Speaker 6 (01:43:52):
Two weeks ago.

Speaker 22 (01:43:52):
Actually we hired a cadmaran six of us and for
five nights, and that's the main migration path up through
up past Fraser Island, and we saw more whales than
you could poke a stick out. I mean, we sailed
to the top of.

Speaker 6 (01:44:07):
The island one night. The water, Yeah, the water was light.

Speaker 22 (01:44:12):
Glass, which was great because the next night wasn't so great,
and I was actually feeding the whales but over the
back of the boat. But on the first night we
moored about.

Speaker 6 (01:44:23):
Five meters of water off the shore.

Speaker 22 (01:44:26):
That was sort of a regulation for having the catamarine,
and the whales were swimming between us and the shore.
It was that close, and they were breaking out of
the surface with their carves and in the distance you
could see with clearly. You could hear them, but you know,
doing the venting and blowing, and you'd be sailing along
you'd see all the snop that they've left on top
of the water.

Speaker 6 (01:44:46):
So you've gone, there's some just been there. But the
amazing thing for the amazing thing for.

Speaker 22 (01:44:51):
Me, because I'd never seen one before and now I've
seen about fifty of them.

Speaker 6 (01:44:56):
The amazing thing for me was when you were sleeping
at night. On the first night, you could just hear
them talking to each other.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
The whale call because people will pay well, you know,
people will play whale call sound just to calm themselves
and go to sleep, you know, play them off off
Spotify or whatever. So what's it like actually going to
sleep to the sound of whale core.

Speaker 6 (01:45:16):
It just when we know, on all night.

Speaker 22 (01:45:18):
But it was really peaceful and calming, and they had
you could hear the young the young ones.

Speaker 6 (01:45:23):
Had a different sort of sound to that which obviously
the older, older whales, and it was just amazing. But
it's just swim around.

Speaker 22 (01:45:31):
The yachts that were.

Speaker 6 (01:45:32):
Moored up, just come up.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
What kind of whales were they, Darren?

Speaker 6 (01:45:36):
The the humpbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Humpbacks, Yeah, yeah, because hump back big big talkers. Aren't
they hunt whales?

Speaker 23 (01:45:42):
Yeah they are, Yeah, they are.

Speaker 22 (01:45:43):
And one of the things we were told you can
basically get out there, drop yourself in the water as
they're close enough.

Speaker 21 (01:45:50):
You're not really you're supposed to, but they said, you know,
if you slap.

Speaker 6 (01:45:53):
The water and bang and the upwave arms like that.

Speaker 22 (01:45:55):
Other lady said, if they don't, if they feel comfortable,
usually if they haven't got the young with them.

Speaker 6 (01:46:00):
They'll just swim up and interact with you. We have
gotten that close.

Speaker 22 (01:46:06):
But if you want to see whales, mate, get your backs.
So I in a plane head up to Brisbane and
drive up there and.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
World. I'm not telling what I was thinking about getting
some tickets to go and see nick Cave and Brisbane.
He's playing in Brisbane pretty soon, so I might attach
a bit of a whale trap on top of that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:23):
Yeah, I think you've twisted his arm. I think's he's
going to be leaving pretty soon.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Yeah, that sounds.

Speaker 8 (01:46:28):
That sounds.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
And you know when he said, you know, the whale
snot that. That's the thing that people don't know about
Wales is that their blowhole is just a nostril that's
evolved way back on their head. So you see the
right nostrils, a little small nostril beside it. Yeah, So,
I mean it makes sense when you think about it,
but that blowhole is just it's just it was a
nose at one point. Because you know, Wales were there.

(01:46:51):
They're actually descendant from the same things that didn't descend
it from sheep, and they were hanging around by the
beach and then they ended up going out to sea,
it's right, and evolving into into sea mammals and all wales,
and so over time they're just they're left. Nostril just
evolved down the back of their head and became their
blowhole genius. So Darren's right, when you see wales, not everywhere,
it is actually whales not.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
Love it, Steve, you had a bit of experience or
a mates who had some experience.

Speaker 27 (01:47:17):
Oh, I'm an underwater cameram and this is what I
do for film in whales in the water, right, so
a little bit of a different perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
Yeah, So you must know the spots where you're going
to find find wales. You know, there must be places
you just know they're going to be there.

Speaker 27 (01:47:36):
Well, you know, like it just depends on what time
of the year it is, and in some years there's
hot spots and you just need to go to where
the action is, you know. So it's not always in
the same spot. But at this time of the year,
the Hierarchy Golf is a wonderful place to see whales
and if you haven't seen one, I highly recommend going
down on one of the whale watching boat.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Okay watch, Yeah, the things for me, I'm out on
hierarchy golf a lot, you know, fishing, but also recreately
and a drinking capacity on friends boats and stuff. So
it's amazing that I haven't. I don't, I don't see them.
So so you know, have you have you filmed wales

(01:48:18):
around the world, Steve No, mainly in New Zealand.

Speaker 27 (01:48:22):
So when companies like BBC you want to come out
and do a documentary, Yeah, that's the kind of thing
that I'll do. So we're filmed for you know, documentaries
like Blue Planet two. We were the first people to
do a story on false color whales and they also did.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
Another one on what sorry on Steve, on false klor whales.

Speaker 27 (01:48:41):
Did you say, yeah, false color whales. So the good
largest dolphins or than pilot whales, than false color whales,
and yeah, it's like these are animals that no one
knew about them and they regularly visit the hierarchy golf
and there can be up to one hundred and fifty

(01:49:01):
of them. There's two clusters that we know about in
New Zealand, in Northern New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (01:49:06):
So yeah, what a job you've.

Speaker 3 (01:49:09):
Got as well, what an incredible job you've got.

Speaker 27 (01:49:14):
Yeah, it's good words out on the water trying to
film Orca on Citidy actually just just out from Omaha.
So they went into the estuary there and they were
in sting rays and and we gosted them with my
boat for a number of hours, just giving them their
distance because after they're feeding, they ended up sleeping for

(01:49:35):
about three hours, which was you know, great for them,
but frustrating for us along and not doing anything very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
Love that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
So you know, we've all seen videos of orca, you know,
playing with seals and chasing penguins and stuff. Are you
ever any danger from from an orca?

Speaker 16 (01:49:56):
You know what?

Speaker 27 (01:49:57):
Orca a humans. I probably wouldn't enter the ocean because
they're actually really nasty animals. But I've only had I
think they've got a of it since a humor, to
be honest. Like, I've had a few sneak up on me.
And yeah, like at one particular day that I had
the whole pot had swam past me. I was ninety
nine zero point nine percent sure they had, And all

(01:50:20):
of a sudden, I just had this huge eye right
next to me, and the map was right there, and
I literally, you know, like my heart went up into
my mouth, and I was sure the camera had kind
of looked at about a foot onto the air. And
I got home and I was actually really surprised at
the footage was seamless, like it didn't even bump at all,

(01:50:42):
Like I absolutely crapped myself.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
And as I was saying before, what do you think
that the Orca thinks of you?

Speaker 27 (01:50:52):
You know what, I think they're way more intelligent than
what we realized that New Zealan's got over fifteen thousand
kilometers of coastline. Some orca only hunt around the North Island,
someday the North and South. Some only hunt around the South.
But I'm absolutely convinced that, you know, some of them
would know who I am in the water, you know,

(01:51:12):
like I have a particular body shape. I carry it
this guy again, I carry a metal container in front
of me. And you know, if they intimately know our coastline,
they know all the nooks and crannies and all the bays,
and and they can navigate at night, you know, from
one island to the next. They're incredibly intelligent.

Speaker 4 (01:51:32):
So it's not.

Speaker 27 (01:51:34):
You know, like I think they would recognize individuals, and
they actually can see above the surface, like I've seen
them lifting their heads out of the water and looking
into our boats. I've seen them lifting their heads out
of the water, spy hopping and looking at the rays
that they've taste out of the water and trying to
get them off the rocks. So it's pretty amazing, like
their perspective of the world and that you know, they

(01:51:58):
have an eye that works underwater, but they have an
eye that works above the surface.

Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
Yeah, it's crazy, incredible creatures. Steve, thank you very much.
It is fourteen to four back in a month.

Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heathan Tayler Adams afternoons used talk said.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
Be twelve to four, Hi, guys, says this text A
wildlife accounter of sorts at Lawrence in the late nineteen seventies.
We were rugby training next to a circus when the
lions escaped from their cages, running onto our training field.
We're all ran off to safety, but the lions were
sadly not able to be captured and was shot by police.
They're said, it's not lion's fault. Then our on display
at the Attagi Museum, Ah, is that where those lions

(01:52:38):
came from said for the lions, but remains the highlight
of my rugby career.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
They're legit does that happen?

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
That's I remember the lions being on tour here a
few times, but that's that's a different type of lion.
But essentially because it's not the only time that lions
have gotten out in New Zealand. I saw this documentary
called Who Killed I think it was called Who Killed
Lulu the Poodle? It was Who Killed Lucy the Poodle
and it was about how some lions escaped in one day.

(01:53:08):
So there's been some lines running a mark in New
Zealand a few times over the years. Daniel, Yeah, goody,
you don't very good. You've got a more pork experience.

Speaker 8 (01:53:19):
Yeah right, yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:53:20):
So, like I grew up lucky enough to graup on
a reefarm, tucked into the native bush just north of Deleading,
and I was taught once, but I felt how to
you know, how to call with your hands like a
more pork could And I used to respond to them
quite a lot. Well there's this one. We knew what
tree hit had been and I used to respond to
them quite a bit. Then one night I thought, how

(01:53:41):
I wonder if I can get him to respond to me.
So I went outside and it was dark, and I
started calling on maybe maybe called out a couple of times, three,
four times, and then he responded right. I thought, that's
pretty cool, was mabe, he's he's heard me and he's
responding him. And then he went quiet after baby five hoops,
and I thought, ah, he's clicked. But no, no, he

(01:54:03):
started off to my right because I was sort of like,
you know, I was facing the tree, and he started
off to a right. So he carried on for a bit.
Then he went quiet, and I looked up in the
night sky and I saw a streak, and you've went
up the hill. So I tootled up at the hill
toward them, A weave it and this time when he
after it, maybe six or seven hoots. Again, I didn't
even have to look for him.

Speaker 21 (01:54:23):
He came.

Speaker 11 (01:54:24):
He swooped that jolly close to me. I felt the
wind from his wings.

Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
That is pretty cool.

Speaker 8 (01:54:28):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
Can you still do yeah? Can you still do the
more pork call?

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:54:34):
Yeah, I do it again.

Speaker 15 (01:54:35):
Me.

Speaker 11 (01:54:35):
I'm not on the farm anymore, though, so I don't
get that privilege.

Speaker 2 (01:54:37):
Yeah, yeah, love a rudu, Yeah, beautiful birds are the
six is We got married at mentioned house on Kiwa
Island in twenty sixteen. MC had just started a speech
and was told orcas were swimming in the bay. So
the whole wedding went out onto the wharf and they
swam underneath the wharf with everyone standing on top. Was
truly amazing part of the day. MC claimed it was

(01:54:58):
a money well spent and the orcas were right on time.

Speaker 8 (01:55:01):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
Yeah, that is also, anytime Wales turned up to your wedding,
it's probably some kind of good omen, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:55:05):
They are good guests. Yeah right, it is not nine
minutes to four back very shortly. You listening to Matt
and Tyler good afternoons, you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
used talks.

Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
They'd be hey, So a bunch of people are texting
through saying that Lawrence Lyons story is true, the lions
running a muck and Lawrence in the South Islands. Yeah. Also,
Steve Hathaway made that documentary called Who Called Lucy the
Poodle about the lions that escaped in the UA at
that time. So yeah, as I say, every now and

(01:55:42):
then the lion will run a mark in New Zealand.
You wouldn't expect that, but it can happen. Greg, you've
seen a few whales.

Speaker 28 (01:55:48):
I've only said it once, but my mum and dad
had a house up on the up above the wharf
at Ragland Harbor which I oversaw the whole harbor and
on a semi regular basis they'd be seeing ucas swimming
in the harbor probably once or twice a year, and
they mom and dad used to say, you never ever
got sick of it that was unking around. There was
a four or five of them, and I thought, what
privileged to be the obvious seen with them at once,

(01:56:10):
but just swimming up the harbor and back, it was
quite quite good. I'm not like filming arounder the water obviously,
but yeah, I thought we were quite priviged to see them,
so that was actually quite good.

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
Yeah, yeah, it's amazing a witness, Greg, a pot of walker,
no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
This was, and said I swam with Wales and Tonga.
It was truly amazing. Yeah. I went out on a
whale watching thing in Tonga as well, and didn't. I've
been a lot and haven't seen them.

Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
Okay, it's going to happen, Matt, It's going to happen.
We should have asked for it earlier. Actually, if you
do run away watch Operation Mets. Ready to go anytime, anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
Yeah, no, if you don't want to take me out
with other people, because then they want their money back
because of my I'm just marine mammal repellent. All right,
thank you so much for listening to the show. Everyone
loved the chat today has been fantastic. Our podcasts will
be available in about an hour. The powerful Paul Holmes
broadcast of the Heather dupasy Ellen is up next. But Tyler,

(01:57:06):
why would I have played this song from Dave Dobbyin?

Speaker 3 (01:57:09):
It's a weird choice, isn't it? Whaling? What a tune
and incredible stories about so many people. It seems everyone
in New Zealand has seen a whale except for you,
Mad Have you seen well, I've seen a whale. You've
seen a while, I've seen a whale. Don't worry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
I love the song. And Dave Dobbin's an incredibly talented man,
said Dave Dobbin. But what is he giving out the song.
It's that what's it a metaphor for? I need to
find that out.

Speaker 3 (01:57:30):
That's a good point. I've never looked into the lyrics
A bitter.

Speaker 2 (01:57:32):
Do that, he said, because he's not actually whaling. I
think it's pro whale. Well, whaling isn't pro whale well no,
and as you're pro eating whale.

Speaker 29 (01:57:41):
Yeah, great journe anyway, until Wednesday afternoon, that's met in
Tayler afternoons on ZIB give them a taste of key
where you Great New Zealand are sure

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