Full Show Podcast: 16 October 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 16th of October, the death of former Prime Minister Jim Bolger brought some warm memories from listeners - plus some great discussion about who was our greatest PM. 

Then a brave but fascinating chat about open relationships. 

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hell are you going to New Zealand's Welcome to Matt
and Tyler Full Show Podcast number two two three. I
believe for the sixteenth of October my son's birthday. Happy birthday, Charlie,
Happy birthday, sixteenth of October twenty twenty five. Great show today,
a lot of wide ranging chat about thrupples, polyamorous behavior.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Interesting hour of that one, yep.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
And also yeah, really really interesting and deep chat about
the politics and New Zealand, the history of our leaders
with the passing of Jim Bolger. So I think you're
going to enjoy the show. I bloody did.

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Speaker 1 (00:56):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 3 (01:06):
Very good afternoon too. You hope you are having a
great Thursday afternoon. Really great to have your company as always.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Get a man, get a Tyler, Get a you great
New Zealander, whoever you are, where you are listening to
our show. We've got three hours of conversation coming up
on e one hundred and eighty ten eighty, So have
you say.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Big show for you today after three o'clock. Monogamy may
still be the norm, but more couples than ever are
rewriting the relationship rule book, so to speak, and doing
it together, from open marriages to polygamy. It's called consensual
non monogamy c n M, and it's stepping out of
the shadows and into mainstream conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Get this.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
According to a recent study, up to twenty percent of
people say they have tried open relationships.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Up to twenty percent one on five and eighty five
percent of woman claim that that's their key fantasy and
ninety three percent of men right someone else into the
whole operation. Yeah, very very interesting. Personally, I think it's
a terrible lady.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yep, we're going to put that to you after three o'clock.
Can it ever work? An old open relationship? After two
and insure it was entitled to decline a claim for
thirty one thousand dollars of items stolen from a car
because the owner didn't take sufficient care to protect them.
This is from the insurance Ombensman. So the couple came
back from a trip with designer clothing and jewelry and

(02:22):
their suitcases and bags. After dropping his wife at work,
the man went home, left the bags in the car overnight,
visible was broken into and the item stolen, and the
insurance company said they weren't going to cover that claim,
and the obitsmen agreed it wasn't due care.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, so this will be interesting to hear the things
out there that'll stop your coverage from going through, because
I figured that if you've got insurances in the car,
I didn't really know about this whole kind of thing,
So I'm interested into that. I mean, they had they
had history, and it's an interesting story as well, because
you know, the wife said go out and get the stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
And he went, oh god, no, we''ll been there.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
But yeah, what do you need to know about the
policies around what will shut you down when you go
and try and get the cash.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Looking forward to that after talk Klob. But right now,
let's have a chat about Jim Bolger. So this was
a man who left school at fifteen with no qualifications
at all and of course he rose through the ranks
to become our prime minister. He has passed away at
the age of ninety. He was often cited as one
of the last true farmer prime ministers and he led

(03:32):
New Zealand for seven years in the National Party for
eleven years. Also known as the Great Helmsman among other nicknames,
he had been undergoing dialysis several times a day since
suffering kidney failure last year. But today his legacy has
been remembered by politicians and people of all stripes.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, so, Ez, one hundred and eighty ten eighty, you
know your thoughts on Jim Bulger. He was the first
MMP prime minister, even though he didn't support MMP. He
had to throw a government together with MP and boy
has that changed things going forward?

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Basically he threw a government together with Winston Peters and
that's been the way a lot ever since. Winston Peters.
It's really done well under m MP. But also, who
is the the who do you reckon is the most
important or the I guess, for want of better words,
greatest New Zealand Prime minister of all time? You know,

(04:27):
I guess you'd say Richard Sneedden was the longest serving. Yep,
does that count? You got Michael Joseph Savage, A lot
of people love him, founder of the welfare state in
New Zealand, Peter Fraser, Sidney Holland, Keith Holyoak, Norman Kirk,
Rob Muldoon, when Rob maldoone before he robs you? As

(04:49):
they would say back in the day, David Longy, Helen Clark,
what do you reckon? John keythe Justina Dern Who do
you think is the greatest we had for the show?
I started researching and I was reading up about our
previous previous leaders, and look, I've got to say I've
got a lot of time for Julius Vogel, right, one,
incredible man.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
He was not a name I've heard before. I've got
to be honest, it's a while ago.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Julius Fogel was quite some time ago. I've got to say. So,
we're going all the way back to when was Julius Vogel.
He was eighteen seventy three, right, okay, right, No, so
eighteen seventy six, yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
So one of the ogs.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, he was eighteen seventy three to eighteen seventy six.
There he was back in the day. But he was
a sci fi writer. Oh yep. He was the first
to introduce woman's suffrage, even though it didn't get across
the line. Vogel ten. A couple of Vogel towns. Is
one in Wellington, isn't There is also one in Palmerston, North.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, so a couple of Voge couple of suburbs named
after him. Vogel House, of course, founded the Ottaga Daily
Times whole, which is a fantastic newspaper. The ODT first
Jewish PM, started the big public railway works and the
telegraph and such. So he was pretty good. But I
don't think there'd be a lot of people voting for
Julius Vogel.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
If you want to come through on Julius Vogel by
all means, oh eight hundred and eighty.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
He sounds like an incredible guy the outside of the
realm of most people's knowledge. But yeah, who do you
think was the greatest PM tyler?

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Who do you think was I'm going to say, Look,
this will be controversial with a lot of people, but genuinely,
I think in her early terms she did incredible things.
Helen Clark, she was steady and she was very successful
on free trade agreements with China was the big one,
which is obviously done very well for this country. However
we feel about China, I will say, for me personally,

(06:36):
the removal of interest on my old student loan. They play,
they played off. They played pretty well for me and
her and Michael Cullen setting up Key We Saver. I
think generally that has yep, yep, that has done good
things for this country. There's more to do on the
old Key We Saver and the savings element, but I
think that was a good play.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
It is interesting what you do as a prime minister.
You know, do we include in the discussion of who
the greatest prime minister was? Is how they've what they've
done post prime minister, because of course Jim Bolgia ambassador
to the United States of America and then the head
of New Zealand Post and was head of Kiwibank as well.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
As it was Yeah, he did incredible things after Yeah,
I had politics.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
You know, you what do you think of Allan cirk
Clark these days, because I think some of the stuff
that she's blasting at now seems a little bit crazy. Yes,
and you're always risk ruining your legacy by if you
keep going on and on and on after you're outside.
I mean, she did very well at the United Nations,
rose to high levels, but then just made everyone that
lives anywhere near Eden Park hater.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
A very different Helen Clark now than and she was,
which was a politician in prime minister.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Hugely anti the arts at eden Park. She doesn't want
those but weird.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
For Allen Clark she used to love the arts.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's interesting thing you post your post post
political career. What that means for you, Yeah, it plays
into the legacy.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
But keen to hear from you, Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty your thoughts on the passing of Jim
Bolger and who for you is the best prime minister
we've had in New Zealand's well.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Jim Bolder was rolled by the ship. Wasn't here in
nineteen ninety seven, he was overseas and the ship steamed
in and ended that for Jim Bulger. Yeah, probably not
a lot of people are going to say that Jimmy
Shipley was the best pro minisut we've ever had.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Didn't work out so well, had you know.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Unelected and then get got smashed at that when she
first went to the polls. Yeah, so yeah. Anyway, hundred
and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
It is fourteen pasts one nineteen nine two is a
text number. Will be back very shortly.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Hey, guys, did old Julia's Vogel Vogels bread? I don't
think so. I have been researching that to see the
connection between vogel and vogels bread. Had two bits of
Vogels mixed grain this morning.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
It's just the greatest bread.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 2 (08:53):
That'd be very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
So we're talking about Jim Bulger, sadly passed away at
the age of ninety. But we've asked the question, who,
for you is the best prime minister we've had in
this country. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
number to two.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Tyler has put his name with Helen Clark. I have hi, guys,
Clark shut down all psychiatric hospitals and left the patients
defended themselves. Cheers Michelle.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, I will say that not everything Helen Clark did
was fantastic, but there was a couple of good things
in there that worked out all right for me.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
I'll tell you what, as a person that spent a
bit of time in hospital over the last three days
for a family member, there are some crazy people walking
around the hospital, hospitals, taking up the time of the
nurses and doctors.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
That is dire.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Just people that you go, why is this person just
in a hospital ward? Yeah, they've got no pants on,
walking around with no pants on, offering young people vapes. Yeah,
and you think that maybe they could be in a
psychiatric wood.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
That's a bad moved from Helen. That was a bad
mood from Helen. So thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
But to be fair that historically there's been some terrible
stuff that had happened in these asylums. Yes, you know,
but maybe maybe they didn't need to throw the whole
thing out.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, yeah, nicely said Oh e one hundred eighty ten
eighties number.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
To call Tony. You've got a lot of time for
Walter Nash.

Speaker 6 (10:10):
Yes, I've been in New Zealand for about fifty years.
Excuse me, I suppose going Winston Peters when he becomes
Prime Minister, will have to rate by a country mile, I.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
That's going to happen. How soon do you think that's
going to happen? Winston Peters he's eighty now, how soon
do you think he's going to be Prime minister Tony?

Speaker 6 (10:30):
I think in the next election.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Okay, okay, right, well he's rising in the para.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
I'll put money on that.

Speaker 7 (10:35):
I read.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
I read a book recently on Walter Nash I've never
really heard of, and he come across as somebody it's
somebody like him we would need today.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
So he was late late fifties, early sixties around that era.
Was was he Tony?

Speaker 6 (10:54):
I think from Catherin it was between the wars?

Speaker 2 (10:58):
All right?

Speaker 8 (10:58):
Right?

Speaker 6 (11:00):
I read the book and what he did, I just
felt that he would he represents to me somebody, you know,
when I look at the politicians we have today, As
I said, the only one who stands out by a
country miles would be Winston Peters as a politician. The others,
sadly all both all of them. No good, right good?

Speaker 2 (11:21):
But what qualities? So Warrens was he was nineteen, he
was prime minister nineteen fifty seven he became prime minister.
So so post war? Yeah, and what do you like
about What did you like about Nashi?

Speaker 6 (11:38):
Well, I just felt that he was looking for They
put the country first, Let's put it that way, and
there was none of the moaning and growing in you
which you're getting today, you know, the Unfortunately, I've been
in New Seum for fifty years and I know that
the rest of the world is going to hell in
a high place. But it's just that we we today,

(12:01):
we seem to be growing in and moaning. You know,
somebody comes up with a moan, and somebody comes up
with something to fix that growing and moan. They've grown
a moan again.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Interesting. Interesting than Tony Walter Nash got a bit of
groaning because his finance minister brought in the nineteen fifty
eight Black Budget, which was called the Black Budget by
media commentators, brought an unpopular tax rises on alcohol, tobacco
and cars. He was the guy that added the huge

(12:33):
amount of tax on alcohol, which you can imagine in
the late nineteen fifties early ninety sixties in New Zealand
would not have gone down. Well that's with a winch
because they love to drink back then, Tony.

Speaker 6 (12:43):
I know, I know, because they had the Friday night
and the six o'clock squill and all the rest of it. Yeah, anyway, No,
that's my take.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Anyway, thank you so much for you call Tony. So
that's one for Walton.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
And I'm just reading. So Stuart Nash was Walter Nash's
great grandson.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
There you go, There you go.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Maybe, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, did anyone ever ask uh? Anyone ever asked Walton
as what a woman? Warren? You know a bit about
Julia's Vogel.

Speaker 9 (13:18):
Not really, guys, I just you're talking about different locations
named after him.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, ye, And we.

Speaker 9 (13:25):
Live we live in a fairly new suburban Tiamaha, yep.
And it's called Vogel Place.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Vogel Place and Taha.

Speaker 9 (13:35):
I didn't know. I didn't know any anything about the
man except that he must have been a fairy, a
fairly note worthy sort of a guy as far as
New Zealand went. Because they were going to call the
place Bristle's Landing, because a guy called Bistle used to
punt boats up and down the river, or drive them
not down the river. And he had a pub and
a store on the other side of the White here

(13:55):
across from us where we are, and he used to
bring them up and unload them on the on the
landing there. But they changed their mind, probably due to
council people, I don't know. They decided to call it
Vogel Place instead.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
And so did you say that this is the reason? Yeah,
because this, as we were saying before, there's a couple
of vogel Tan's in New Zealand named after him. There's
Vogel House as well, and this Vocal place. So did
you say, has that been named recently Vogel Place?

Speaker 9 (14:31):
We've been, Hell, we've been. Yeah, suburbs built two.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Teens off Stanley Are Was that correct?

Speaker 9 (14:42):
That's correct?

Speaker 7 (14:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, memory Matte, you know your geography, know my geography. Hey,
thank you so much for your call, Warren, and I'm
glad that we filled in that little little bit.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah, there's actually quite a few ticks coming through for
old Julia's Vogel. We'll get to some of those in
a minute. But who knew he was so popular? Janet say,
is the best promise we've ever had? Is Chris Luxon
on you and someone else says Chris Luxon, Although you
wouldn't know hearing from you, lift the media w.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
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Speaker 3 (15:12):
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Speaker 1 (16:17):
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Speaker 2 (16:19):
Do your thoughts this morning on Jim Bolger.

Speaker 10 (16:21):
Oh look it was I was sweet with Jim Bulger
for many years in politics. He was such an interesting mix.
He was a conservative Taranaki farmer who had the courage
to kick off the treaty settlement process, took on his
own party an election year in nineteen ninety six to
sign the Nahu and Tai Nui settlements. So you, underneath
the political maneuvering was a will of steel and some

(16:44):
deep principle people forget. He was also the guy who
bought an MMP oversaw that process, you know, accepting the
will of the people.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
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Speaker 3 (16:58):
Very good afternoon to you, and that's what we're talking about,
Jim Bolger, the sad passing, but also who is the
best prime minister in your eyes? One hundred and eighty
ten eighty is number KO.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
And a lot of people hadn't heard of Julius Vogel
until today, but so many people are texting and saying
they live on Vogel related streets or suburbs. And I
just realized I used to live on Vogel Street in
Duneda and as a vote, fantastic cafe in Dunedan called
Vogel right Vogels. Yeah, people from Dunedin will know. It's
an incredible cafe down there, just beside the overpass. But

(17:28):
I used to live in a bank vault on Vogel
Street in the Exchange area where where all the financial
dealings of New Zealand used to be. So when I
was at UNI they were closed. You know, all these
things have been closed down and abandoned, so you could
you could get a bank vault to sleep in?

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Oh good, for very little. Yeah, so far Julius is
a hit by a country mile Who would have thought?
But can you hear from you?

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Helen Clark and Rob Muldoon are our two best politicians
that became pms. However, says Daryl, our very best PM
was John Key And this is I'm voting just into
Ardna is the most hated PM in New Zealand history.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Okay, thank you.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Guess we'll take the negative and the positive. Michael, you've
got a bolger story.

Speaker 11 (18:07):
I do, I do.

Speaker 12 (18:07):
So my mother was Jimbolga's secretary while he was prime minister,
so he used to come to our house all the time.
So obviously he's my favorite prime minister all the time.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
What was he like?

Speaker 12 (18:21):
He was a lovely, lovely man. So every Christmas Eve
he would come to our house with his two bodyguards
to his ass bodyguards and stuff like that. And yeah,
look reached me well personally. But so so the funny
story is after my father passed away, the day of
the funeral, we're out at my mother and dad's house
having having a drink and stuff, and he said to me,

(18:43):
he said, Michael, your dad always used to have a
nice bottle of whiskey in the cupboard in the hall there.
How about we grab one of those and we'll just
crack the top off. And you know, now, I'm not
a big whiskey drinker, but I don't mind a little drop.
So I went, I thought, from memory, I think it
was a black label. I think it was a nice
black label Johnny Walker. But so yeah, and he said,
just a little dash of water with mine, thanks Michael,

(19:04):
you know. And so I bought us a couple of
whiskeys and he pretty much shnock has one back in
a single gulp, you know, and I get on mine
and he said, should we just have one more just
in honor of your dad? And he said, just hold
the water on the next one. Thing. Yeah, yes, So
I know that's my funny story. But you know, I'm
quite sad today to hear of us passing in.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, well, thank you so much, Michael. I mean that's
the thing. You know, most of us don't even know
these politicians for their speeches and you know what's written
about them and the media coverage. Yeah, but you know
in New Zealand specifically specifically, they you know, being a
prime minister does not move you far away from every
day people, does.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
It, No, exactly, And it's a funny thing. I mean, look,
I'll hand up. I don't know too much about the
ins and outs of Jim Bolger's political career, but from
what I've been reading and hearing today, the character of
the man and that's probably a big thing when it
comes to legacy, right who you are and how you
act around people who you interact with as a prime
minister or other obviously plays a big part. And he
seemed like a really really nice guy.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Hi, guys, best p M. Chris Luxen hands down. May
the other Chris never get near the seat of power.
Cheers from Wrong.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, keep those texts coming in on nine two nine two,
but also keen to hear from you on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
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That's from MAXI j Thank you very much. MAKESI.

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We've got one spere line. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
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Speaker 3 (21:42):
Thank you very much, Ray Lane. So I've asked the
question who is the best prime minister in New Zealand?
For you? It is on the back of the sad
passing of Jim Bolger, the Prime Minister of New Zealand
and nineteen ninety for the National Party. Of course, Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
I'll tell you what. The text here at nine two
nine two is very different from the polls. So many
people testing through and saying Chris Luxen is the best
prime minister. We've ever had.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
He's getting a few votes.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Chris Luxen is under a He reset our country and
will set us right for the future, says Chris Nice
Pete Longie, how.

Speaker 15 (22:15):
Are you doing that?

Speaker 16 (22:17):
Yeah, yeah, I've always had a bit of a sub
spot for Locky. I mean, I didn't agree with everything
he did, but at the same time, when he came
into Parent eighty four, our country's books were in a
terrible state. It was so bad the embassy staff were
being asked how much they could draw down on their
credit cards to keep the embassies open.

Speaker 17 (22:36):
Wow, overseas it was that bad.

Speaker 16 (22:39):
We were such a closed economy, and under him we
opened up. We raised our profile internationally with the debate
in Oxford. He really had a personality to match us
his waist size.

Speaker 18 (22:52):
But yeah, yes.

Speaker 16 (22:57):
History has a little too kindly on him. I think
to certain extent he's sort of ushered And you know
Roger Douglass and Roger nomics, which a lot of people
tend to look down on these days, but I think
he's been given the short shifts somewhere online.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
I listened to this incredible podcast called Juggernaut recently, and
it was all about that that time, and you know
the election, that eighty four election with Rob Muldoon, and yeah,
when they got in there, Pete, You're absolutely right that
the box were just terrible. Muldoon had just been basically
buying the butter and stockpiling it because you know, the
UK had joined the EU and there was no one.

(23:36):
All we did was sell stuff to the UK and
so we were very wealthy country, but we only had
one trading partner pretty much, the UK and Australia. So
when they got in there. But it is interesting because
he was such a good talker and such a powerful
presence with the media, but when you actually look into
what he was like behind the scenes, he didn't really
seem to like confrontation confrontation. So I think, you know,

(23:59):
the Roger Nomics guys, I think they were surprised how
much they could push past David long In. A lot
of what went through wasn't really in keeping his views
of the world, would you agree, peat.

Speaker 16 (24:11):
Well, I said there was a bit of that, but
he was certainly a pregmatist, and I think that's that's
something you get in a good prime minister, someone who
can see the other side, someone who can look outside
their own belief system. But that particular part of you know,
the Labor Party sensory also gave first to act, so you.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Know, yeah, well Preble was a big part of it,
wasn't it That push against and working with Roger Douglas
to put those those policies through.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
But and I think it's hard to remember, for I
don't think people know how little we weren't on the map.
You know, at that point, we just weren't on the
map at all for anyone. And for David Longey to
go to that Oxford debate and make you know, global headlines,
even though he pissed off the Americans, what was we

(25:01):
just were the I think at that time we were
describing it as ourselves as the little mouse that roared.
But since since then people people have heard of us
a lot more, had a lot of different things have
gone down.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yes, yeah, exactly, But you're right, his charisma was was
next level.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
David LONGI the interesting thing that I found out, and
you know, when you when you go through and why
you know, he got rolled and it all went went
and went bad for him. He had terrible health right
through that, so he was fighting with terrible health and
drinking a lot, and yeah, I think the pressure of
that job really got to him. But hey, thank you
so much for your call. Pete appreciate it. David Longie,
few votes coming through for him for the most consequential

(25:41):
prime minister of our history.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yep, he's certainly up there. Nine two niney two is
the text number. Love to hear your thoughts about who
is our best prime minister?

Speaker 2 (25:49):
David, your thoughts.

Speaker 19 (25:52):
I was just going to put forward the name of
Erica Stanford.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
And you're looking into the future, then.

Speaker 19 (25:59):
Yes I am. And the future and or the immediate future.
She's a Minister of Education, I think. But she's done
an amaze thing that people who are not the parents
of primary school aged children might not even be aware
of that. Since the beginning of the year she pushed
through this great move of reintroducing phonics for teaching kids.

(26:24):
And it's going to really change things if labor doesn't
get in and stuff it all up or whatever, you know,
because the last time we had it in New Zealand,
back prior to the seventies and eighties, which is when
it just got sort of based out, we were number
one in the world, or very close to it. To literacy. Yeah,

(26:49):
and that would have been because of phonics or structured
learning as they call it. And that's why I think
she would get my vote for prime minister. And I
just she sounds incredibly capable and yes.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
She's extremely extremely popular and these recent results of she's
looking very good. She's a president, and what she's done
in the portfolio she's And now, David, what are your
memories of Jim Bulger.

Speaker 19 (27:22):
Well, I remember him, but I didn't take much notice
of him when he was in I took more notice
of David's Longie of course, after after that fantastic speech
you made at the Oxford Union.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Then I can smell the uranium on your bread, David Longing.
That's how he used to talk, David Longie.

Speaker 19 (27:41):
Yeah, that's one of the best I think.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, yeah, pretty incredible, David, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
I saw Simeon Brown speaking in Parliament, I think it
was yesterday, and I you know, sometimes you see people
and you go I can totally picture Simeon Brown being
our Prime minister one day. He's sort of got that
that confidence and that vibe. I think he's only thirty
four at the stage, so he's got a whiles to go.
But there's something about him that feels quite prime ministerial.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
And he's got a hell of a portfolio at the moment,
and he seems to be doing okay.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Learn welcome to the show.

Speaker 20 (28:17):
The Vogel Street in Richmond, christ Church, the aged Year,
the eighteen seventies, it runs off them morero but you
being up nort and you probably wouldn't know where that was.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
So I just Tylers.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Forgot Tylers from christ Church. But he's forgotten so quickly.
He's been after a year and he's already just turned
his back.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
On Shame on me. I didn't spend too much time
in Richmond. It's beautiful in Richmond. Looked at a house
in Richmond. Actually, all right, we're out bed at option.

Speaker 20 (28:46):
The other thing, Arnold nord I bought him the Black Budget.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, but he was, but he was, he was under
he was the finance minister for Walter National right.

Speaker 11 (28:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (28:58):
I remember it was a it was a gloomy sort
of time. I was only a young kids then, but
I remember my mother and father talking about it.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, I mean obviously not named the Black Budget by
by Walton.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
She's got some connotations.

Speaker 20 (29:14):
Yeah, No, Prime Minister I think it's totally serious to
have just Sender as the most hated prime minister. It
makes all the people I know they never say they
hated you know, they're probably hated at but.

Speaker 17 (29:31):
Not here as a person.

Speaker 20 (29:33):
I mean, God, the God. It's a bit happens in age,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, well, I mean there's there's a there's there's there's
there's a lot of people that feel personally aggrieved by
Just but but the personal but personal hatred for her
seems is a bit over top, isn't it. I think
if you call lind so, I was just wing.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
Well.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
So, why there's so much of the country named after
Sir Julius Vogel, a Prime minister from nineteen from eighteen
seventy three to eighteen seventy five.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
I'm so glad we stumbled across this Julius Vogel because
he sounds amazing.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Clearly half the bloody country is named after him.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
If you live on Vogel Street or Vogel ev or
or Vocal Present, Vogel ten, you've been to Vogel House, Yeah,
come on through. We want to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
There doesn't seem to be a connection with Vogel's bread
that I can find, but maybe someone can can look
into that. But he looms large certainly. Maybe that's because
Vogel started a lot of and he started borrowing money
internationally quite early on to build public works in New Zealand.
So maybe that's why I ended up getting his name
on a lot of stuff.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yeah, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call, who for you is our best prime Minister?
It is seventeen to two, beck very shortly.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
A lot of positive Erica Stanford stuff coming through and labishing.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news talk.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Sa'd be for a good afternoon to you. It's fourteen
to two. Who is our best prime Minister? In your eyes?
So eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Plenty of texts coming through A nine to ninety two.
This one sorry, just quickly, This one says, oh man,
it's just a million that have come through Erica Stanford's
what are people going to say when she does become

(31:21):
prime minister? She's an impressive lady. So Heap's coming through
to Erica Standard.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Hans Closer started Vogel Bread. He survived the Holocaust and
came out to New Zealand. His first job was working
for a bread maker in Wellington and was called mister Vogel.
Once he went out on his own, he named the
company after him. Hands then, oh, I see see his
first job was working for a bread maker in Wellington
and he was called mister vogue I see once he

(31:44):
went out. Hans then went on to buying Helton Station
in the Mackenzie Basin in a kind of high country station,
and still owns it today. So not not related to
Julius Vogel, it would say.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Still a good man, Julius and great bread Vogels.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Great bread, great bread terry. You've got a Jim Boulders story.

Speaker 21 (32:02):
Yeah, you kind of guys. Hey, look, I was a
young impressionable cop in the early nineties, ninety one ninety two,
and being the junior man, you drew the short straw
to the sort of not so likable jobs, and I
drew the short straw to be the police guard at
Premier House, which is you know, the residence of the

(32:22):
Prime Minister and mister bolder and his family. We're there
at the time, and I guess I just want to say,
you know, at his passing, just what a awesome family
they were. All of the kids were there, you know,
and they would just come out and want to play
soccer on the front lawn with me, and it was

(32:42):
just not sure if I should be, but we played
soccer and he always greeted me, always shook my hands
at how are you constable? Yeah, good, thank you. And
I never forget the time his wife actually bought a
bag of muscles out to me. They'd been away somewhere
on holiday maybe and came back and she gave me
a bag of muscles. You know, I didn't eat muscles,

(33:04):
but I didn't want to say no thinking so I
took from Yeah, I took them and gave in to
my father in law. But it really showed to me
the character of the family and what they were like.
And so yeah, I've sort of always kept half an
eye on him and what he's done in his political career.
But yeah, sort of a little tinge of sadness hearing

(33:26):
that he died, because yeah, he was a good man.
If his family is that way, there's a good man
and a good moun behind that what.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
It was like trying to take nine children on holiday
would be quite something, wouldn't it. I mean, what kind
of vehicle are you running for that?

Speaker 9 (33:39):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (33:40):
Gosh, yeah, who knows?

Speaker 19 (33:41):
Who knows.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
There's a lot of challenges there. But he sounds like
a thoroughly decent human being, Terry, And that's what I'm
reading and seeing. And obviously you met the bloke and
that that says a lot about a person, right.

Speaker 21 (33:53):
Yeah, he's a good man. Yeah, definitely was a good many.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Thanks for you cool Terry, Thanks for sharing that.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Yeah, Aaron, you've got a few thoughts. Yeah, okay, mate,
you've got a few thoughts on different prime ministers.

Speaker 11 (34:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (34:05):
Well I met Jim Boulder a few years ago, said
it a with them at an event and this is
only four or five years ago, and thought what an
amazing person he was. And the comment I wanted to
make is that you can't quite judge a prime minister
in their first couple of years. Bolder came in and

(34:26):
there was supposedly going to be a ninety million dollar
surplus and he ended up with a three billion dollar deficit.
Who thought out and had Ruth Richards to the mother
of all budgets. Everyone was hating the government from all
their cuts and you know, all that sort of thing.
But as time went on, it proved that he was

(34:50):
capable and had all the right attributes to pull it.

Speaker 12 (34:53):
Off, you know.

Speaker 22 (34:53):
And so same with Helen Clark.

Speaker 11 (34:56):
I think.

Speaker 22 (34:58):
In her first year there was a lot of discontent
and they caught it the Winter of Discontent, and she
over time proved to be quite a good prime minister,
one of one of our best. And so it's been
through to descend it. You know, two years into her role,
she handled the christ Church events amazingly and was touring

(35:22):
and yet maybe a whole week of us now would
think of the you know what, what was left in
terms of all the borrowing and the economy being hostile
passed onto our current government. So the comment I wanted
to sort of make is it's very hard to judge
a prime minister in this first one year or two years,

(35:43):
and possibly that's the case. Is where we're at at
the moment, the cuts, the cuts and all of the
all of the negativity around the place, and we've still
got this long big detox going on as a as A,
as A country trying to clear out all of all
of the problems economically and perhaps in time if we

(36:06):
give it, perhaps the current it would be given a
little bit more credit for the hospital passies received and
and trying to pull off something despite not really getting
a honeymoon, but due to his coalition partners. Would you
would you would you have the negotiations?

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Would you say that we had pretty would you say
we had pretty sound economic leadership through Bulger Clerk and
you know there's there's a bit of a ship in
the middle of there, but not for long. Yeah, but
a Bulger Clark and Key that that that sort of
that period was pretty very long period of stability, wasn't it.

Speaker 22 (36:45):
Well, Yeah, the National nineties financial management was was was
fairly healthy and then Michael Cullen was a very good
operator through to Bill English looking.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Key Saver is a great, great legacy, I would.

Speaker 22 (36:58):
Say, I'd say Key Savers is a fantastic thing. I've
got eleven staff and they are all saving for their
future cost me, but it's as well worth their future
to have it, and I think it's a good initiative.
As for Grant Robertson, you know, I think you'd have
to say the wheels have fallen off, particularly post twenty

(37:21):
twenty borrowing another one hundred and twenty billion, and I
think it costs something like ten billion a year and
interest alone just from that additional borrowing. And so yeah,
we've we've always done well when we've had a personable
prime minister and then a very capable finance minister. Whether

(37:44):
whether the media is giving that an opportunity at the moment,
I don't know, but yeah, I think I think you've
got to give time and you've got to give credit
over the long haul and not Dodge twot two sent Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
I think if you call Aaron very well thought through
a lot of truth in that I was wrong. I've
done that thing where I've said Paristan North when I
went new plumbers are right. One of those things that
people always do. Yeah, So it's Vogel Town is a
New Plymouth, not Pariston North. Sorry, there is also one
in Wellington.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Mere Copper there. It is seven to two.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams.
Afternoons news talks'd.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Be news talks it'd be we're going to carry this
on after two o'clock because so many calls and texts
are coming through.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
But if you text before we get to the news,
can you please put the Prime Minister Christopher Luxon as
the best we have because he's working for the people,
to help the people. He even talks to the media
who show him no respect, including YouTube by referring to
him just as Luxon. Please gentlemine, show the New Zealand
how to respect our leader regards Paul all right. I

(38:52):
don't think it's a Spersian. I don't think that Christopher
Luxon would care about being referred to as Luxon.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
No, I don't think he might.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I've talked to him a bit in the time yep
in my time. He's a nice guy and I don't
think he would give a ratsass about being referred to
as Luxin's.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
And we'll put them on the list of potentials there
text to thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
A lot of people texting through the support for Chris Filuxen.
But who is our most significant prime minister of all time?
O weight one hundred and eighty ten.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Eighty nine two ninety two is the text New Sport
and we're the fast approaching but stay right here. We
will be back very shortly. Great to have your company
is always on this Thursday afternoon. You're listening to Matt
and Tyler.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
I hope you're having a great one.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Mad Heath and Tyler Adams talking with you all afternoon.
It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Very very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
Six pass two. So as we've been discussing former Prime
Minister Jim Boulger, he has passed away at the age
of ninety rows from humble beginnings on a Taranaki farm
to become one of the most influential political figures of
his generation. Often referred to as the last true farmer
prime ministers and also the great Helmsman. He was known

(40:13):
for his pragmatic leadership style, earning that nickname during a
time of significant economic and social transformation. So we're talking
about Jim Bolger, but also we've asked the question, who,
for you is our greatest ever prime minister?

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, who's our most significant prime minister? And when we
decided to have this chat this morning, I didn't expect
it wasn't on my bingo card that Julius Vogel would
loom so large over the chat who was the premiere
from eighteen seventy three through to eighteen seventy six. But
he did a lot of stuff because he's on a

(40:46):
lot of things. Vogel House, Vogel Street, couple of Vogelton's,
one in New Plymouth, one in Wellington.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
We're learning a lot about Julius Vogel and I love it.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
There's a Vogel Street in christ Church. Yes, someone else
rang us up from a Vogel Street. Were was that
one that was off Stanley Stanley Stanley Allenucky in Taranaki?

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:06):
So yeah, he is a He is probably not going
to win the most significant though, I'm going to say.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
He's still a hot contender coming in three to one.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Sorry Vogel Street, tiataha.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Sorry, but keen on your views. I one hundred and
eighteen eighty and we've had so many phone calls and
texts come through. Bruce, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 11 (41:29):
Yeah, good day, guys.

Speaker 7 (41:31):
Listen.

Speaker 11 (41:31):
I've got a bit of a soft spot for David Longie,
mainly because it was a change of generation from the
previous prime ministers to a younger generation that sort of
wasn't directly involved if I'm right, in the Second World
War or that generation, but also after sort of many
years of the almost autocratic Muldoon. But we shouldn't discount

(41:57):
the effect that Bob Jones had in that election with
the themation of the New Zealand Party. And an interesting
little fact was the candidates standing for the Bay of
Islands for the New Zealand Party back in nineteen eighty
four was one Wayne Brown, now current Mayor of Auckland.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Again I did not know.

Speaker 11 (42:17):
Yeah, and he came forth. And the other little interesting
thing was that I had a little restaurant up there
and that became the New Zealand Party headquarters for the
election night, and Wayne Brown was there and I made
sure I charged him for his meal.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
What was he like back then?

Speaker 11 (42:37):
Pretty much the same as now. Yeah, I don't think
he's I don't think his style of politics he was
standing for for, well, the New Zealand Party stood for
sort of a much more liberalized market and which of
course is what happened under Douglas in the end. But yeah, no,

(42:57):
his politics I don't and style I don't think he's changed,
probably why he got fourth then.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, well he just he absolutely smoked the election this time,
so he's come first the last two mirrors in New Zealand.

Speaker 11 (43:09):
Bruce Yep, No, you're right anyway, the guys that's so
day were lungy for me, just not so much because
of David Longe himself, but more of the context of
the change that occurred.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yeah, it was. It was monumental, wasn't it. Absolutely? So
that would have been a there would have been a
would been a that would have almost been a forty
year old because how old is Wayne Brown? He's is
he seventy nine?

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Seven? Nine year bangne well done?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
So he would have been back then he would have
still been he's still been thirty nine.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Yeah, yeah, so he was thirty nine?

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Is forty? Yes, all the way back then when he
came forth. You know, if you were forty and you
came forth an election, you know and someone said, you
know when you're you're pushing eighty, you'll be mayor of Auckland,
You'll be like, well that's pretty god.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Yeah, who would have thought.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
I mean, he's done a lot of other stuff as
well asn't he Wayne Brown?

Speaker 3 (43:59):
He certainly has plenty of teachs coming through a lot
for Christopher Luxe like this one Christopher Luxembre our best
prime minister ever.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Goes to Christopher Luxon. He is the right man at
this time. He's doing a good job. It's not easy
trying to revive a near dead economy which he inherited
from the previous useless loot. He has put together a
great team and lets them show their particular skills. Winston Stamford,
Simmy and Brown, Chris Bidget, Bishop Mark Mitchell, Erica Stamford.
He's doing a great job managing a coalition with other

(44:29):
strong willed partners. He really really cares about New Zealand.
Keep those texts coming in nine two nine two. Yeah,
so so many coming through for Chris Lucxeon. I mean
as their recency buias.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Yeah, maybe, oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Who in your eyes is the best
prime minister we've had in New Zealand. So you coming
through from Michael Joseph Savage. Yeah, a lot of people
say Savage.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Also your thoughts and memories of Jim Bulger as.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Well, come on through. It is twelve pars two back
in a month.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Wow, your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
Afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News talk z.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
EDB, News Talks EDB. It is fourteen par and we've
asked the question, who for you is our best prime minister?

Speaker 2 (45:12):
This Texas says Chippy Shippy is our best ever prime minister.
He wasn't a prime minister for long No, and then
you wouldn't say he knocked out of the park of
the election results wise, but Shippy. Vote there for Chippy. Hey, guys,
the focus for this afternoon should be on bulger. Do
we have any bulger streets? You can talk about roads?
Are there any bulger lanes? Vogel is well gone talk

(45:36):
about bulger.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Okay, Well it's a fair question.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
I've never heard of a bulger street.

Speaker 16 (45:40):
Well.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
The thing about this show, Angela, it's a conversation and
people sort of lead where they want to chat. Yeah,
and people want to talk about Julius Vogel. I never
thought that would be the case, but you know, they
seem to mainly want to talk about Longie. Yes, Julius
Vogel and Christopher Luxon but yeah, it's not. Is it

(46:00):
a thing really that you get streets named after you
if you've been a politician these days, I don't think
it's the same thing. I think Julius Vogel was behind
a lot of works and he started the international borrowing
into the country was a big part of making New
Zealand global. Julius Vogel, yes, in the in the eighteenth
in eighteen seventy six. Yeah, and so he borrowed a

(46:22):
lot of money and built a lot of stuff. And
if you if you build a lot of stuff back
then you've got your name on.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
The l you get to name it. That's right.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Bulger not sure O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty
nine two nine two you live on Boulger Street.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Yeah, I'm absolutely you in Bulger House. Oh one hundred
eighty ten eighty is another to call.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Welcome to the show, rob yep Hi.

Speaker 7 (46:43):
I know quite a bit about Juliette Svogel and indeed
all the premiers, which is what he was during that time.
He was actually Premier about four different times during that period,
because in the eighties as well, in the eighteen eighties
with Robert Stouth, they're normally called the stout Vogel the ministries.

(47:06):
The thing about him was you're right, I mean he
was superb in terms of borrowing, but that in fact
sent New Zealand into the longest depression, which is from
the end of the seventies. Yeah, yeah, exactly to the
early eighteen ninety three is when it went finally ended.

(47:27):
My personal view, and I've sort of looked at most
of the premiers and the prime ministers over time, was
a John Balance as probably the most outstanding person. He
was the prime minister only for two years in eighteen
ninety one, for eighteen ninety three, and then he died
of cancer, but he was the first prime minister to
be a party leader. The Liberal government which Richard John

(47:50):
said and then took over when he died. He was
the start of that and there was really the time
of all the sort of things that people talk about
in terms of security, the various labor reforms, the woman's
suffrage and that sort of thing. So in my view,
the most Delican probably is John Balance.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
So what was what was his party called at that point?

Speaker 7 (48:14):
It was called the New Zealand Liberal Party, right, yeah, So, and.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Does that have a line running into a later party
or did that party sort of disappear.

Speaker 7 (48:25):
Right so, but basically what happened, the more left wing
members of it ended up in the Labor Party effectively
right well well down the trap we're talking many decades later.
But then the Liberal Party itself also flowed into the
National Party and was then called the United change its
name to United Parties. So the Liberal Party has been

(48:48):
really significant from that point of view. And the other
party at the time was called the Reform Party or
became called that, which was the more conservative party, and
that also ended up flowing into the National Party in
nineteen thirty six when the National Party was formed. Fascinating, Yeah,
that's it. Also very briefly I knew Jim Bolger. Jim

(49:13):
was a Catholic, which I am not, but because of that,
he had some quite interesting social justice views. And one
of the things that I remember was that he was
unusually because he was around while Doon at the time,
but he was very anti the Springbok tour and there

(49:33):
was quite a challenge for him because he was the
MP for King Country, which were very very strong in
terms of pro tour, and he was quite magnificent in
the way in which he very quietly sort of went
down that view, but he was very anti tour. He
was also very pro Mari settlement when he was the

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Prime minister and many of the Doug Graham that reforms
that occurred with the settlements then were because of him
pushing away in the background.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
So it's interesting, isn't it, because he when you know Post,
you know his political career obviously, you know, the left
leaning members of Parliament had a lot of faith in
him because he was put in charge of ensied Post
and Kiwibank. Yes, so he had he had he had
fans on that side of the aisle absolutely.

Speaker 7 (50:26):
I mean in many ways he's pets wee, but like
Malcolm Fraser and that once he stopped being Prime Minister
he sort of became much more sort of broad minded
and in some of the National Party ministers afterwards after
stopping prime minister and had retired from politics, went very

(50:47):
keen on him. I mean they went for a keen
on him becoming the kW Bank chair for example, first
for New Zealand. He did a great job. So he
was a very fine person. I guess the other comment
just from all the names coming in there are some
of the names that have come in that I think
were very fine New Zealand politicians like Walter Nash, but
were not good prime ministers. Walter Nash, in my view,

(51:09):
was not a good prime minister, but he was an
outstanding politician.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Why wasn't he a good prime minister?

Speaker 2 (51:14):
The Black Budget?

Speaker 12 (51:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (51:17):
Yeah, Partly. The other thing was that what he was
he was quite old about time. He was in the
seventies when he became Prime minister. But but but he
was a competent Minister of finance. He was a person
who kept every single receipt that he got. And he's
just famous apparently in his garage or the garage to
the people that he that he used to live with.

(51:38):
You know, there were just box off the box of
paper and receipts and things and bus tickets and so on.
You know, he was that sort of person. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
So you know, it's great to do with someone that's
obviously so incredibly knowledgeable about all our our leaders. So
someone that people are texting in a lot as Michael
Joseph Savage. Yeah, so how do you look at him
in terms of where he sits as most important or
significant leaders?

Speaker 7 (52:07):
Right from the FAAL point of view, very very strong.
A lot of people still, people in their nineties, will
still have his photograph up on their wars, and I
think Peter Fraser was the more important person from a
New Zealand point of view. With respect, I know people
find was hard to believe, but Savage took over when

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the economy was beginning to come right, and he also died.
I mean he was hated by John A. Lee and
that they had terrible problems and Savage of cancer he died,
so I mean, quite rightly, he died a hero. But
I personally think that that Savage is the stronger leader,

(52:51):
partly because he was also the Prime Minister during the
war and he did a very good job there. I mean,
he had been jailed for not joining up in the
First World War and ended up being the prime minister
in the Second World Wow that.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
You would feel like would stand against you quite.

Speaker 7 (53:10):
Quite yeah, well, I mean it did for quite a while.
But I think in fairness that he regarded. I mean,
my view would be that Peter Fraser, from the left,
is the strongest prime minister that we probably had. Their
balance was probably from from the middle, and in my

(53:31):
personal view, not many people would agree is that sid
Holland was probably the strongest one from the from the right,
partly because he was the first National Party Prime minister
and he also stebbed a National Party and what was
to become a very arm period of control. We talked
about Nash being PM from fifty seven to sixty, as

(53:51):
you said, but other than that, it was National for
a long long time, settling off with sid Holland and
so late forties, end of fifties year. So what I'm
I think Fraser was a stronger PM than him. But

(54:12):
what I'm saying is that from the right, that would
be my view as the name I mean, the be
others that would have totally different views from that.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
And before before I let you go, Rob, just quickly
your knowledge, which is obviously vast of New Zealand politics,
is that a professional or an amateur interest.

Speaker 7 (54:30):
It's mainly amateur. Very briefly, the prime minister who's not
regarded highly from nineteen thirty to thirty five was George Forbes.
And George Forbes was my great uncle or great grand uncle,
and so I'm actually writing a book on him, and
because of that, well I had to do is basically
look at all the premierers because just just at the
time which he was born in which he covered, so

(54:52):
I tend to know. I mean the first premier wasn't
about approximately eighteen fifty five, but like with Henry Sewell,
and he lasted two weeks premier. Yeah. So first of all,
they were called normally colle neal secretaries up until about
the eighteen seventies and they became premiers. And then when

(55:12):
Richard John Seddon came in halfway during his long term
he was the longest serving of the prime ministers, he
started calling himself prime minister because he had gone to
Queen Victoria's jubilee and all the leading ones from Canada
and Australia were called prime ministers, so he decided to
call himself prime minister as well.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
I mean, well, thank you so much.

Speaker 8 (55:32):
Rob.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
We're just going to go to an air break, but
I'll look out for that book. Yeah, well a book
coming out on Forbes.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
How go. What a great man to chat too. It
is twenty five past two.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoon call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZADB.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
And we are talking about who in your eyes is
our best prime minister on the back of the said
passing of Jim Boulger aged ninety nineteen nine.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Two lads, what are you going to talk about? King Dick?
Beg your pardon?

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Richard Seddon died of a heart attack returning back by
sea from Australia. Help get Kate Shepard's proposal to allow
woman the vote. There you go, King Dick.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Yeah, King Dick.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
So that's a name. That's our first vote for King
Dick Powell coming through. Ye, Hi, guys, are my two
most favorite pms are John Key and Helen Clark. That's
from Ben. A lot of people are lumping those two
together as being solid, solid prime ministers of this country.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Fair. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
This sexta races. Most significantly divisive was just Sinda Arduna
and I voted for her twice. Voted right for the
first time in my life to ensure Labor didn't get
a third term.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
There you go, Okay, keep those teacher coming in On
nine two ninety two, Jonathan, you're.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Who do you think of the most significant prime ministers
we've ever had?

Speaker 23 (56:53):
There's two I want to mention, but I just want
to comment on Rob's call My God, how do I
follow that?

Speaker 5 (56:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Incredible call.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Wuldn't he?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I found it so interesting I could have I could
have interviewed him for an hour and a half. I
had so many questions. But it's so great people that
are that knowledgeable and and you know, people that that
keep our history and write it down so valuable.

Speaker 23 (57:13):
Yeah, it's a it's a subjective subject direct and because
it's a bit like who's the best guitarist in the world,
the best drummer, it's it's what's it's.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Your and bottom you? Sorry?

Speaker 23 (57:27):
Well, I'd love I'd love to get involved in that subject.
I could talk for hours on that one. Yes, thanks.
So I'm I'm not a labor voter, but after Labor
one of the nineteen eighty fourth snap election, I think
I remember I quickly going to the admiration for Longie.
I just saw him as very prime, ministerial, fantastic orator,

(57:50):
dressed immeatulally. I think I remember there was a phase
when we went for wearing three piece suits, very very
business like. He carried himself very well, he presented himself
from the world stage very well. And I actually felt
proud to have him as our prime minister a little
in Newzealand at theottom of the world. You know, this
guy is our prime minister. And I think he could

(58:10):
carry himself very well on the world political stage.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
As media's stand ups were essentially stand up comedy. He was.
He was brilliant. Have you listened to that podcast called Juggernaut,
you'd probably really enjoy it. It's the it's the eighty
four election and that whole long e time and Roger
Nomics and stuff, and they've got lots of audio of
his stand ups. He just basically came out and held court,

(58:35):
didn't he with the media?

Speaker 23 (58:37):
Yeah, yeah, very And he was a lawyer, as a
lot of than are, and he was very quick wit
and he was he was a great debater in the house.
But unfortunately there were fractions in developing in the end
in the late eighties after they won in eighty seven,
and then the fraction going on, particularly with with Douglas
and Prebble, and like I heard you say before that

(58:58):
he didn't like a confrontation. So I think he just
had to no, I can't do this anymore. And the
other the other guy, I want to talk to is
Key John Key, And I'm I mean when I think
of John Key, I think he was a bit like
our John F.

Speaker 21 (59:11):
Kennedy.

Speaker 23 (59:12):
He was, he was, he was young, and I think
he hit togather from Clark. So I think the finances
were in a pretty good good state because and it
has been mentioned ministers of Finance and Michael Curhen again
he's a labor labor Minister of Finance, but I had
I admired him too because I think he had a

(59:33):
he had a pretty good name on the books.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Yeah, I mean the GFC had John Key hard when
he when he Deparliament, and.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Then the christ and got significant.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
And you've got to say we came through the GFC
better than most countries. We don't know, we've we've come
through COVID pretty poorly in an economic scale, but we
came through the GFC pretty well.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (59:52):
And I we're just making other comment. There was a
caller earlier before the break that mentioned a deficit of
three billion dollars and I thought, oh my god, I
wouldn't it be wonderful had a deficit of three billion?
We paid three times that much just an interest on
the deficit three billion dollar deficits like it's like nothing now,
But then.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Again, when when Joseph Joseph Vogel was running up three
billion dollars, three billion dollars was a very different three billion.

Speaker 23 (01:00:18):
That was what went back then. Yeah, holy Oaks. I
think he was elected ninety fifty seven, went through to
late nineteen sixties, so I think he handed the towel to
John Marshall, who basically got a hospital pass. And we'd
had such a long tenure of national that and Labor

(01:00:39):
campaigned on time for a change, and I don't think
any anybody was going to be Labor on that election,
and so and who else.

Speaker 19 (01:00:50):
Yeah, that's that's probably what I think.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Jonathan very well thought through. And Rob Greenfield was the
Rob we were talking before his name, and he's the
book he's writing as a retirement project. So so the
book on George Forbes could be a while away, but
if you're still listening, Rob, get hold of us when
you when you finish it, i'd love to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
He's up to chapter three so far, so a little
while ago, but keep working on it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Roll'st a Yeah, I love it. George Forbes, who was
nineteen thirty to nineteen thirty five, I believe.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Yeah, fantastic, right, headlines coming up and we're taking more
of your calls. Who is, in your eyes, our best
prime minister we've had in New Zealand OER eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Or maybe the word is most impactful. Yeah, that's the
most good word, Kent something like that. Yeah, let's get
one of those kind of words, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Let's get into it. It is twenty seven to three.

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(01:02:22):
A thirty six year old man has been arrested in
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this morning after the vehicle with spiked Police say they
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Businessman says he will help fund legal action. You can
read more at ends at Herald Premium. Back to Matt
Eathan Tyler Adams, thank.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
You very much, Rayleen, who has been our most significant
prime minister in New Zealand. Love to hear your thoughts
on one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
This textas says most impact has to be ardoomed for
all the wrong reasons. This person says, stop reading out
them mean just sinder texts. This textas says John Key
must be the best prime minister in modern time. Saved
us from yet another labor financial crisis and the global
financial meltdown, and the same time, however long, he must
be the worst and most dishonest politician we've ever had.

(01:03:23):
Lied to his caucus, lied to the people, and lied
and cheated on his partner. Okay, And on top of that,
the uranium comment at the debate was straight out of something
we would have done in immediate school. That's a pretty
good line and I can't understand why people rave about it.
He was a born liar and refined his craft through

(01:03:44):
being a lawyer and politicians. Subsequent labor leaders Clark and
Deurn had follow his lead. Wow that's some strong long
he hate. Yeah, yeah, I mean he was all right,
wouldn't he? Let ye who has not sinned cast the
first stone?

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
I'd say, yeah, Ian, how are you all right?

Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
Mate?

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Who is it for you?

Speaker 24 (01:04:04):
Sir Harry Atkinson, Sir Harriet long forgot? And you were
talking about Vogels before. So he actually served as premiere
four times. He was a only for short terms. He
was a basically our first professional politician, and he was
the guy that so Vogel would go and have a
spending spree, he would be very good right now. He

(01:04:24):
actually died in office and he had a very sharp pencil,
and his role was to try and sort out the
mess of all the money that the provinces would go
to government for to borrow money for bridges and roads,
and they just overborrowed and overborrowed like we are now.
So when Cullen and Key and Clark are in the government,
debt was twenty billion. When Key left it was over
one hundred billion, and according to Shane jones Ese of

(01:04:47):
late it's two hundred and forty billion. So if it
was a house mortgage that you had in two thousand
and eight or four hundred thousand, you've now got, you
expect to be paid down quite a bit by now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Ay, so you've gottage. Did ju les Vogel start the
rot of over borrowing?

Speaker 24 (01:05:05):
He overspent, overspent, overspend and then they were into a depression.
So that pulled Harry Atkinson and he got in every time.
He was the guy that pulled them out of the pooch,
just like we need people with a very sharp pencil
to pull us out of the pool.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Now, Yeah, we know who's Harry Atkinson.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Yeah, oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
another to go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Yeah, So we're expecting a call on Michael Joseph Savage.
Your thoughts on him as a as an impactful New
Zealand leader, Well, I.

Speaker 15 (01:05:29):
Think he introduced the welfare state, so his legacy is
still with us today. It's made New Zealand a relatively
egalitarian state, which is all good.

Speaker 7 (01:05:43):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
No, not far enough, too short and sharp. I mean,
certainly that's what Savage is promoted for, for laying the
groundwork for the welfare state, which look some would push
back on, but for a lot of people out there
that's certainly been a lifeline.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
You do not have the right to decide what the
Prime Minister wants to be called. You need to set
an example to all when addressing him. It's a sign
of respect for the position and for the person. You
are setting a poor example to people that then complain
to you about it. I'll call anyone whatever I like, actually, Texter,
and you don't have the right to tell me to
not call Christopher Luxe and Luxen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
I don't think you care.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
No, I've had long and deep discussions with Christopher Luxe.
You have, as was recently put up on TikTok.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
It's a video. I'm talking to him at.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
The Rugby and I get on well with them. Primarily
my conversations with Luxen have been on cricket. He's a
huge cricket fan, Isn't I so deep? Cricket tragic chat.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Yeah, term of endearment.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
So I do get to decide what I call whoever
I want, and I'm going to call you poo poo
pants text What do you about that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
After eighty t and eighty over there for a while?
Poo poo pants? Nine nine two is the text number.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
It's because it's not often used by adults.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Oh mate, I love yet it's nineteen to three. Taken
more of your calls. Who has been our most significant
prime minister?

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Have a chat with the lads on tennessee Matt Heath
and Tyler Adams afternoons used.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Talks, they'd be very good afternoons You're seventeen to three.
Plenty of takes coming through on nine two nine two
about who is the most significant prime minister we've had
in this country.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Welcome the show, Doug. You met Jim Bolder a couple
of times.

Speaker 25 (01:07:29):
Yeah, a family member was in the National Party in
the king Country and when that family member passed away,
Jim and Joanes came to maturitimt Equity for the funeral
and I can remember speaking to him personally and he
shook my hand, looking me in the eye and said
if you can be anything like your family member who's deceased.

(01:07:53):
You'll go a long way.

Speaker 13 (01:07:54):
Wow.

Speaker 25 (01:07:55):
Now, very humble man, big family, farming stock and really
just a good, good, all round person. And I think
if it was thirty years ago, if you look back,
what he's done since nineteen ninety five and to what
he's done today when he left politics, his actual impact

(01:08:18):
like the things like Kiwi Bank, which is no secret
the National Party didn't like Kiwi Bank, but we all
now think bloody Hells in competition against the Bigaussis is
a good thing. You know, we're actually proud of a
little Kiwi Bank that lean against the big Aussies. But
Jim's probably biggest mark was with Sir Douglas Graham and

(01:08:41):
collectively they've done more for EWI than anybody else. With
the treaty settlement process. You might remember Matt the billion
dollar try and say to all the claims for a
billion dollars in nineteen ninety six and what that's now
transpired onto in terms of the Mari economy, Ni Tahoo chainy,

(01:09:02):
big big settlements and their distribution of wealth and what
that wealth has created in terms of young marries, people
going to universities, free fees and what it will become.
It'll become how key we savor for ewie population in
the future and redress in terms of forestry and fishing assets.

(01:09:26):
So I think hugely impactful. Didn't seem it at the time,
but it's a little bit like when John Key rolled
out ultra fliber broadband. We're all trying to forget that
with ultra Fliber broadband over COVID lockdown. We talked to
everybody and are set up companies like zero to do
business all around the world while we're locked down.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Yeah, that's such a such a good point. You know
what you set up hardly ever, I mean the really
big stuff doesn't come into fruition while you're still in
the role. I mean, if it's really significant, you don't
see as a previous call I said, you don't really
see the fruits of it for many many years to come. Hey,
thank you so much for you called Doug. Appreciate that
great call afternoon, Really enjoy the banter. I am putting

(01:10:10):
in a vote for Bill English, a great finance minister
through the GFC and Christich earthquake. He would have been
a brilliant PM. If Winston had played him with a
straight bat. His understanding of policy impact was second to none.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
She is a great, very good politician. So Bill English, Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call nine to nine to if you want to send
a text Lee, welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (01:10:33):
Oh hi guys, I always teak too, but it cost
me too much over I want to join, and I've
got a ring I suppose on you. Yeah, yeah, good
on YouTube, mate. You do talk a lot though, So
that's sane.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Well, it is a well, it is a it is.

Speaker 8 (01:10:51):
That's going on this. I think this is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Really I would never interrupt a caler what are you
talking about?

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
Lee?

Speaker 8 (01:11:03):
But this conversation has really ignitious. I think New Zealand
voters again, because the course that I have listened to
are just so full on in history. Now I've just
turned one year after sixty, but I actually, without even

(01:11:25):
knowing that, have met quite a few prime ministers. But
I was very much into the Union and I follow
calling Kelly so anyway, but I do remember a time
Rob Muldoon I was very young, is probably fourteen, and
I was in a running relay on the Kepedy coast,
to PORI ruha. And who's at the end when I'm

(01:11:48):
doing the last league of the race is Rob Muldoon.
Now he's seeming there. He's got his tuckle on his
god has, you know, big cheap you know, rais. And
he looked at down at my feet, looked up my legs,
my has. He would have been around my breath, I

(01:12:11):
would say, And then he just keep looking at really
slowly and thinking, oh this is weird. Indeed, he put
out a ten and my sugar ten and he just
gave it tuckle that he does.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
The sort of side mouthed kind of ye.

Speaker 8 (01:12:30):
And he did that to me. But I also met
Justinder before she was even thinking about being crimes or
made to be one. I met David Shearer. Who else
I just meet so many of them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
A great man, yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:12:49):
I don't know, but like.

Speaker 8 (01:12:50):
Bill Rolling a little bit two weeks for me, you know,
I like him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
But I'm a nice man in person, very nice and
a very good guy in person. And what he did
for charity, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:13:00):
Rosold I met him years later. He was a narrator
for the Rocky Horrors right and Willington Saint Jamee's Theater.
But when I tuned up there, not even realizing then
I saw him sitting in the chair. I thought he
was quite a character. It said that he went the
way he did that, I'd say, don Key was up

(01:13:22):
there and used to follow him and take photos of him.
I always found his body language very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
You used to follow him and take photos of him,
did you say, Lee, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:13:33):
Because I was. I was quite political for the labor
side of things, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
I see, so you followed him legally he went stalking.

Speaker 8 (01:13:43):
Oh no, no, no, no, no. I'm sure he knew
I was there because when I'm looking from my photos,
he's looking.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
That's a good signing as there.

Speaker 8 (01:13:53):
Yeah, it's too security caster. I just want to say
this conversation, I hope whoever listening to this, who all
the thousands who are listening to this. I just remember
who started New Zealand right and how it developed, and
it seems to me we're going back probably two generations
at the moment of neglecting infrastructure water. So I hope

(01:14:17):
Chrys relucton because I'm going to be controversial here. I've
just kept Charon McNulty saying twenty twenty nine is when
Labor gets back in unless they drop to party multi party,
because I will not vote them. So I'm going to
be very political on that. Trump, But I do believe

(01:14:39):
Chris Flucton will see us through till at least twenty
twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
There you go. Thank you, Lee so Mouldon a bit iy,
thank you for sharing you short. Sure, But yeah, he
was that. That was quite a surprise when he ended
up in the Rocky Horror Picture Show. It's just a yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
That would have been quite confronting for a lot of
New Zealanders. Yeah, put your hands on your beautiful it
is nine to three, back in the month.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
They'd be news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
He'd be who is or has been our most significant
prime minister in New Zealand. A whole bunch of tikes
to coming through on nine two ninety two Ian Rob
Maldone before he robs you.

Speaker 18 (01:15:27):
Yes, well, I'm seventy two years old, and I remember
I'm a ten pound pomp. Well not a ten pound pomp.
I remember laying in bed, I listened to the BBC
News and now Dern just decided that he was going

(01:15:49):
to stop the ten pound poms coming in, and I'll
kicked the ship as the Oriana, if I remember rightly,
And it took six weeks a year apparently. I remember
on the BBC News laying in bed, trying to get

(01:16:09):
out of bit to get to work, and and he
stopped it, stopped pound poms coming in.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
So how did you get here? If you? If you
if the had stopped.

Speaker 18 (01:16:21):
Well, it was a long story. But I had a
key Week girl that I fell in love with, yes,
and and a couple of key Wee kids and come
and I managed And it cost me five hundred pounds
to fly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Yeah, so you stop outspect then when you flew over
to New Zealand, wasn't there wasn't a direct flight.

Speaker 18 (01:16:45):
It was just straight through, straight through to New Zealand.
And I've got a return on my on my ear ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
It's good stuff in and I'm glad you managed to
make it over, even if you were in a ten
pound palm. Thanks you so much for talking the sixties boys.
As anyone talked about Big Norm Kirk, I thought he
was considered one of our greatest promises. Yes, there's been
a lot of talk about Big Norm Kirk, but of
course there is recency by its bias, isn't there? So
you know a lot of people probably don't remember Big
Norm Kirk.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
We while ago, Yeah, do we want to do a
wee telly up with what our audience thought over the
last two hours on?

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Well, I'll be interesting here because I've seen you've been
counting it up with your little notepad and pin over
the tiler.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
So here's my WI list. So I think by a
nose the via the number of techs and phone calls.
John Key is right up the top. Longye Longye is
coming at number two. A lot of chat about David Longi,
Christopher Luxen. Funnily enough, our current Prime Minister Vogel, Julius Vogel,
who would have thought he came in strong at number four,
and then King Dak, King Dak coming in at number five.

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I'm sorry, I didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:17:57):
Even mean that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
My isn't even trying to be funny there, Dack. But
thankfully he came.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
In at number five. I'm going straight to the BSA.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
You should that was terrible right coming up after three o'clock.
We want to have a chat about open relationships? Have
you been in one? Are you thinking about it? Has
it worked?

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
That's next?

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Your new homes are insateful and entertaining. Talk It's Matty
and Taylor Adams Afternoons on News Talk Sebby.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Very good Afternoons. You welcome back into the show six
pass three really good der company as always. So let's
get into this one. Once considered taboo or fringe, open
relationships are entice are entering the mainstream. I've got to say.
With a growing number of people challenging traditional ideas of monogamy.
According to a recent UGOV survey, one in four people,

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twenty five percent say they've been involved in a nonmonogamous
relationship at some point in their lives. Will forty three
percent of millennials say they're open to the idea. In
New Zealand, studies suggests that up to fifteen percent of
couples have either tried or currently practiced consensual open relationships.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Wow, so this is a real u turn of topics,
isn't it It is? I don't know one ad a
sharp stop, a right turn. So we're going from most
impactful Prime Minister of all time to polygamy only the bees. Polyomory, polyomory, polygamy, No,
I think it's polyamory. Polygamy is when polygamy is when

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you have multiple wives.

Speaker 15 (01:19:30):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Right, polyamory means just loving lots of different people.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
It's good to clarify that before we get into this discussion.
And that's important. But it has a bit but it
has been called c n M. Isn't it consensual non monogamy?
So interesting that it is becoming more and more of
a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Is it possible? Is it even possible to pull that up?
I mean things can happen bigger partner things can happen,
you know, over a six month period, a one night,
six months a year. Is it possible to have this
kind of thing going on for a long time? And
if your partner came to you, Tyler and said I

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am interested in an open relationship, what would you say.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
I'd say I'm listening. No, I'd say, hell no, I
just don't think that could work. I just think that's
a recipe for disaster.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
What if she said, I'm open to you having an
open relationship, but I'm just going to stay monogamous.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Oh that's very different, isn't it. That's very generous to her.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
That doesn't seem to be the conversation anyone seems to
have when they well, actually that's not true. There's a
few texts coming through and that I won't read out
there there is there's there's people that are into everything.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
But what does it mean for property law?

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
Good question?

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
If it becomes a serious thing, If you have three
people in a relationship and it becomes a serious thing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Well they would have rights, wouldn't they? I imagine if
it's long enough.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
But I guess the question is here. Oh wait, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is it ever possible to
run a successful open marriage or open relationship? Has that
ever been successfully achieved? Because I think on a lot
of occasions, you might go out and go I want
an open relationship, then your missus is yeah, okay, let's

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do it. And then suddenly your missus is getting a
lot of action, you're not getting any at all, and
then maybe you turn against the open relationship. Imagine it's
pretty I think a lot of people sit in relationships
and think, oh, there's so many people that are into me.
Oh my god. If I just was single, imagine how
many people would be into me, and then they've become
single and they realize they were all imentioninary people and
no one's int here.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
The reality doesn't work out. Oh, eight, one hundred eighty
ten eighty curious too, If you've undertaken an open relationship,
how did it work and did it work out in
the long run? Are you currently in an open relationship?
Nine two ninety two is the text number. We've also
got to say. The idea of taking a break, I
know that is pretty common with couples, but that, to me,
I think would even be too much that if there was,

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you know, a bit of trouble in the relationship and
then there was that conversation we should take a break
for three months and go and do whatever we want
to do and then come back at the end of
the and see if we can figure things out.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Even that, to me, it'll be like, I don't know
if I can play that game. Let's break up for
three months, go off and do whatever you want to
do for three months, and then let's argue about what
you did for three months for the rest of our life. Yeah, yeah,
it sounds about right. It sounds beang on. If someone
wants to have an open relationship. Does that mean that
they don't love you as much as they did? Is
that what it means? Or Am I just taking a

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very immature approach to something that's more complicated than that.
That now has a name consensual non monogamy. Yeah, because
these people say the important part is the consensual because
of course, because if you're running a non monogamous relationship.
In a monogamous relationship, that's called cheating. Yeah, yeah, spot,
Have you en't been honest about it? That's called cheating,

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isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Come on through? Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call love to hear from you your experiences,
has it worked for you, and has it fixed potentially
a relationship that may be on the rocks. Nine two
ninety two is the text number. It is eleven past
three US talks that'd be good after. So we're talking
about the idea of an open relationship, wants as a
boo and it's fair to say most people are in

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monogamous relationships, but more and more people are having a
chat about making it open.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
Now this is directed that you, Tyler after your lude
comments at the end of last hour. I mean they
were accidentally ludea of the time about King Dick quite
apt though, I will say, yeah, well, I'm not going
to go into what you said, but said a lot
about you that that's what accidentally came out in a
Freudian way. But the sex says, boys, what's up with
having this conversation after school? Damn just picked up my

(01:23:42):
eight year old son. Can't have him listen to this, lols.
Let's get so just talk around the issue. Yeah, we'll
keep it because because this is a school pickup time.
Okay it is, yes, so make its listening. You're natural
tendency to make it blue. I think you need to
fight that back. I will keep it clean, and I
think Craig has done this perfectly. Okay, guys, some mornings

(01:24:02):
you might like wheatbooks for breakfast. Some mornings you might
like corn flax. Does that mean that you don't like
weetbooks just because sometimes you like corn flakes?

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Beautifully said Greg. That sums it up nicely, romantic.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Mike, Welcome to the show, guys. Good. So you know
someone that's thriving in a thruftle situation? Is that right?

Speaker 26 (01:24:25):
Yeah? Yeah, so Susan A, Yeah, thriving it's going pretty well.
So they lived together. So they all they dated for
a little bit and now they all they all lived together.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
So they dated, so they what's the makeup.

Speaker 26 (01:24:40):
Of the They ate they corn flakes and then ate,
you know, weak, and then they decided, hey, let's makes
us a permanent thing. And then so.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
They fix them all together in the bowl at the
same time and throw some porridge on top. Why not now, now, Mike, So, so,
what is the makeup of this? Is this a if
M M type situation?

Speaker 26 (01:25:03):
It's if if him? So he's got it pretty he's
got a pretty sweet depending on which way you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Look at it, and does that and so and they
started dating. Did one start dating the other and then
they bought the other one in or did it start
right from as a as a.

Speaker 26 (01:25:22):
So it was it was a just a whatever you
want to call it, a stop standard couple of a
male and a female and then my just a female
friend of mine, like like that kind of stuff. And
they met, and so yeah, they started the three of
them started hanging out and dating and so on, and
then they decided, you know, we all actually really like

(01:25:45):
each other. Wow, we're mature about this. And so now
they're looking at it, but just quickly because I don't
want to take up too much of your.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
Time, taking as much time as you want.

Speaker 26 (01:25:55):
But I think, you know, especially in this well, the
era that we're in now, that this modern top or
whatever you want to call it, the modern fie, you know,
some of those that traditional belief of one person or
one one six kind of thing, those kind of you know,
we've got to be a bit more open these days.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Everybody.

Speaker 26 (01:26:16):
There's a lot of like freedom is a lot more
easier to come by.

Speaker 18 (01:26:21):
And.

Speaker 26 (01:26:23):
You know, and so what if there's if you wanted that,
but also think that you know, we don't you know,
if we're married to someone or dating someone long term,
we're not. We don't own that person. And if they
decide hey listen, I want to try this, or what
do you think about this? And the communication is there,
then what's holding what's holding that back? If both both

(01:26:46):
parties are you know, they have a good, you know,
good comms about it, then then what the what If
you have an issue with it, then you need to
you need to let that person know and maybe you
you know, I don't know, it comes to a compromise
and maybe your time is done.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Yeah you know that. Yeah, well I guess I guess
that's that would be the situation that where it gets difficult, right,
because say someone came to you. So let's say say
if there's a man and a woman and the man
comes to the woman and says, I want an open relationship,
then they're to put it in the position of overgoing.

(01:27:24):
Yeah that's cool, or this is over and that's that's
a tough position to be in, isn't it sure?

Speaker 26 (01:27:32):
But you yeah, sure it is. But you don't own
that person. And if that's what hey, listen, you know
my life has changed. I want to change jobs. I've
been doing this job for twenty twenty years. I want
to change jobs. Sure it's a slightly different to a job.
But you don't own that person.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
What about after a marriage, Like, if you're married, though,
haven't you made a commitment to just be with that
that one person and have them be the subject of
your attentions.

Speaker 26 (01:27:57):
Through through thick and thin? Yeah, through whatever, you know,
but ever, I mean, it's a you know, I think
it's I still stand by, you know, whether you're married
or not, I still stand by. You can still celebrate
marriage in the other ways, yep, But I think if
you do, you think, do.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
You think you could handle it? Mike though, because my
I question and maybe I agree with you on like,
let's say, on a philosophical level, but I don't think
I maybe I'm not big enough for whatever. I don't
mean like that. I may maybe I'm not like emotionally
powerful enough, but I wouldn't go for it. I'll be like, no,

(01:28:38):
this is over. If you if you want, if you
want to be with other people, then then then that's
a different thing.

Speaker 26 (01:28:45):
I think. Yeah, I think I could always I've had
some solid conversations with my last partner about it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Yep.

Speaker 26 (01:28:52):
I think and this, look, there's nothing wrong with saying, look,
this isn't for me, you know, if you want to
do that, hey man, go for gold. You know, like,
who are you to stop that person doing what they
want to do.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
It's a fair point. I mean, now that you mentioned that, Mike,
if I was in that situation, I'd prefer the partner
to be honest, and then I'd probably make the call
look not for me. If you're really strong on that,
then we might have to end things rather than them
going and doing the duty on this side.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
But do you think that would be Do you think
that's unfair in a way? So the person who really
wants to open up the relationship, but still, you know,
can you like, if that's important to them, is it
unfair to not let them do it?

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
That's a fair point, because then I'd make it pretty
clear that I think this is a deal breaker for me.
So I'm sorry, I can't do this. So it's either
me or your open relationship. And if they chose that,
then it was never going to work out in any way.

Speaker 26 (01:29:49):
Correct, correct, Yeah, but you know you're always learning about
the other person, and you know if you don't try it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Yeah, that's complex. Thanks to you, call Mike. This person's
complaints being made currently this is an absolutely unacceptable topic
for this time of day. My kids have now heard
and asked questions. Absolutely unacceptable.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
Yeah, sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Complaints being made to who?

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
Well yeah, well good point is the going right to
the top.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Who's the top?

Speaker 8 (01:30:18):
You what?

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Good question? The governor general?

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
Well we're in trouble in that case, not the governor general. Look,
kids are going to ask questions, and I'm glad we
could facilitate that for you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
If you want to live in a world where kids
aren't going to ask questions than you are. Yeah, you're
in trouble. You're not living in this world.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call open relationships. Have you had that conversation in
your own relationship and has it worked? Love to hear
from you. Nine to ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 27 (01:30:43):
Twenty one past three, Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on News Talks The
Very Good Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
You're twenty four past three. So we're talking about the
idea of open relationships. It's getting more and more mainstream.
According to a you gov survey, one in four people
twenty five percent say they've been involved in a in
an open relationship at some point in their lives. In
a New Zealand, fifteen percent of couples have either tried
or currently practiced open relationships. So if that's you, oh
e one hundred and eighty ten eighty, or if you

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want to come on the other side and you think
an open relationship can never work by all means, come through.
Nine two nine two is the text number. Get Alex,
Hello there, Tyler how are you very good? So what
do you reckon about this one?

Speaker 16 (01:31:29):
Excellent?

Speaker 28 (01:31:30):
Well, I just want to put out a little morning
before I say anything. There's any children under the age
of sixteen, now's the time to change the channel. That's
how you get That's how you stop them from listening
to what you don't want them to hear not moaning
at the radio station.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
Nicely said Alex.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
It's hard to silence, Well, isn't it. It's hard to
silence the world.

Speaker 13 (01:31:49):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 28 (01:31:51):
There's a lot of truth in the men are from
Mars and the women are from Venus when it comes
to these things, because the two sexes are built totally
differently on an emotional level and on a physical level.
And gay relationships relationships you will find much easier at

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having open relationships because the the the the men look
for satisfaction, women look for love. And that is to
me the essential difference, and that men can part easily
go out and do it purely for the physical side
of it, but for women it is essentially an emotional experience,

(01:32:35):
and for to try and introduce that into a hepro
relationship I think would be extremely difficult.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
Yeah, And and do you think that might be biologically speaking,
because you know, a if a woman is of child
with child, then that's nine months of and needing. You know,
that's that's a potentially a much bigger commitment of time
and in energy and also need for protection over that

(01:33:06):
time then then than male. So biologically speaking, that those
strategies have evolved in that sort of fashion. I'm talking.
I don't know, I don't know what I said.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
There's listening anymore, you can go loud.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
They were listening to being bored senseless by the way
I described that.

Speaker 28 (01:33:27):
Matt, I'll try and wade my way through that. I've
never had the experience of being in a partner where
children are on the way, so being in a gay relationship,
it doesn't happen. But yeah, there is going to be
a lot more emotional support required from the male to
the female when that situation happens.

Speaker 11 (01:33:48):
For men.

Speaker 28 (01:33:49):
To put that aside, we're now talking purely about a
sexual aspect, and to me that even in that situation, yes,
that the female is looking for satisfaction, but it comes
with more of an emotional attachment.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
But what it does for the male, But what about
the jealousy side of things? Alex and that's generally why
I just couldn't in an open relationship because of the
jealousy aspects. And that's a flow of my character. I
accept that, but surely that plays a part. Even with
gay couples like yourself, there must be a jealousy element
that would pop up sometimes.

Speaker 28 (01:34:22):
Well, you know, funny you should say that because my
partner and I have been together thirty four years this month,
and when we first started out, I said to him
the one thing that we need to be careful of
is jealousy because I'm a bit of a flirt. I
like to play around and don't get jealous because that

(01:34:44):
will destroy us. And we've kept that mantra for the
last thirty four years and it's worked. We don't have
an open relationship as such that we don't bring partners
into our own existence or into our own environment, but
there have been playtimes in the past and it's all

(01:35:06):
been done consensually and enjoyably for both of us.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Now, Alex, congratulations on thirty four years. That's fantastic. Now
I'm going to open a Pandora's box of worms. I
don't know if that's to say, but I was following
the comedian Jim Jefferies, the Australian comedian, and I thought,
maybe you're not a way on this topic. And he's
talking about marriage and he said the shortest lasting marriage

(01:35:32):
are woman woman marriages, the second shortest lasting marriages are
men women marriages, and the longest lasting marriages statistically are
male gay marriages. Why would you think that would be.

Speaker 28 (01:35:48):
Well, I think it comes back to what I've been
saying is that men don't have that jealousy factor. They aren't.
They are after the physical without the emotional. So when
they go to play outside the relationship, they're not doing
it unless, of course the relationship is breaking down. They're
not doing it for emotional reasons.

Speaker 26 (01:36:08):
They do.

Speaker 28 (01:36:09):
It's really for physical reasons.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
But apart from that, there is a lot of love
in your relationship.

Speaker 28 (01:36:13):
Alex Oh, absolutely, yeah, but the love.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
The love isn't as strictly tied to the physical side
as it might be.

Speaker 12 (01:36:23):
No, yeah, no, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
Well, very interesting.

Speaker 28 (01:36:27):
What you commented about a female lesbian relationships being the
shortest is amusing because we have a saying, oh I
ever say that with a lesbian couple on the second
date they move in together. For women, it happens that
way because of the emotional contact. It's like we go

(01:36:48):
on the first date, the second date, I'm moving in
with men, that doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for your insights, Alex.
What do you think, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty, Yeah,
it's a very interesting topic.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
Yeah, great caller, Alex. Open relationships, Yeah or nay? Can
they ever work?

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Clearly?

Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
Alex says that they can work. So what do you
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Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
Thanks you very much, Raylane. We are talking about open relationships.
They are entering into the mainstream. Just to give you
some figures, forty three percent of millennials say they're open
to the idea, and right here in good old New Zealand,
recent studies suggest up to fifteen percent of couples have
either tried it or currently practiced open relationships.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
Where that you'd want a relationship but want to have
a player around as well. Where's the bloody commitment? These
relationships eventually fail, that's sort I wonder how long they
can last? Are high there. I think that all open
relationships would not realistically works as this text. There's no
way three people can maintain a healthy lifestyle together. What

(01:39:07):
about all the jealousy at tension more to one than
the other person. It can't work, I believe, and I
think thinking about it seems wrong. But hey, if it
looks good for you personally, I don't see how it
would work on the real working But who am I
to judge? Yeah, I mean, jealousy is a huge thing
in relationships, right, Yeah, And imagine if that then is

(01:39:30):
within the relationship, So you start spending a lot more time,
whatever type of time that is with one person over
the other. Isn't that eventually going to happen or you
go through periods or factions will form.

Speaker 3 (01:39:41):
Yeah, eat away if I was ever in that situation,
or eat away at me? And again, maybe that is
a flaw of my character. But I don't know how
to get over there. But I'm willing to admit maybe
that is because of societal prescius about that idea of
what you're with the woman that you've chosen, and the
physical side of that should just be between me and her.

(01:40:02):
But obviously it's changing, and.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
What about the situation where you've got, say, let's say
a guy, because I am a guy, so I see
the world through that lens, and maybe this guy thinks
I would be quite good to have two girlfriends, two wives,
two whatevers, and think it's going to be amazing. Then
they start getting up on you all of a sudden,

(01:40:26):
they agree on everything, and then you're pariah in your
own home.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
I massively big.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
I don't know. I think the way people picture these
things might be very different from the actuality, the day
to day actuality, yeah, you know, and the amount of
you know, So in a relationship, it's good when you're
both in a good mood and a positive mindset, and
that happens most of the time, but then one of
it you won't be and that that happens some of
the time. And in one of these sort of poly

(01:40:53):
emory relationships with his three involved, is that just mean
that more often one of the people in the relationship
is going to be in a bad state of mind
and making everything visible for everybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
The third world situation, absolutely, Greg, How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 26 (01:41:09):
I'm good?

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
Thanks, guy, How are you very good? Going to get
your thoughts?

Speaker 29 (01:41:13):
Yeah, like I got into the singing scene after my
first marriage broke up and sort of just as a
single guy not wanting to get into a relationship because
I had young kids. But I sort of liked playing
hide the sausage, if you don't mean so. I thought
it was a good way not to get tied up
in a relationship, and the couples that I've played with
seemed strong. I also met people who were in a

(01:41:37):
marriage but were sort of playing separately, and that doesn't
seem so good. Just by the way you were talking
to these ladies, you sort of there was a little
bit of a grudgement there. It was really quite interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
Yeah, so you think that they were they were they
were involved because their partner was involved and thought they
should to keep the relationship going. But it wasn't necessarily
something that they particularly wanted to do, if you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 29 (01:42:04):
Absolutely perfect for at least two of the ladies that
I was saying, yeah, that's exactly what it was. The
sort of they were talking about the husband and how
he was doing this thing, and yeah, she thought she'd
get into it. But the couples that I saw together,
they were really tight. You know that was quite interesting,
an interesting part of my life.

Speaker 19 (01:42:24):
Put it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
Yeah, no, no, yeah, you go, I just say bet
it wasn't.

Speaker 29 (01:42:31):
So then I got in to I met my now
current wife, but we sort of talked about what I
was up to. I didn't like the idea of us
doing it as a couple, and especially not her doing
that without me knowing what was going on.

Speaker 8 (01:42:45):
You know.

Speaker 29 (01:42:45):
It was quite a different dynamic. So yeah, time my
life very enjoyable.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
Would I say, yeah, was any situation where, you know,
because you mentioned that the woman that you talk to
there and you felt that maybe they were precedent to
being a part of that, did you ever get on
the wrong side of one of the men who were
involved in that community. No, night, So the fellows were

(01:43:12):
all good.

Speaker 29 (01:43:13):
One night we were in the room and the husband
came home and there was actually.

Speaker 7 (01:43:20):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
He wandered off the bees evening. I can imagine that
was bizarre.

Speaker 29 (01:43:27):
Yeah, he actually he actually poked his head in to
say hello, I never found.

Speaker 30 (01:43:34):
There anyway, have fun, good night, Yeah, cup of tea.

Speaker 29 (01:43:40):
It was exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
You've seen busy. I'll let you go. You seem busy.
Thanks for your call. Greyaeses it's interesting, the whole fascinating world.
The whole thing is so interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:43:54):
Absolutely. Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number of cool open relationships? Have you floated it in
your relationship? And how did it go down? Because again,
I think when you look at the cheating statistics, and
there's a lot of people who stray in a relationship
or a marriage, arguably sitting down with your partner and saying, look,
we're being married for twenty years now and it's been

(01:44:16):
lovely and I love you more than anything, but I
want to I want to open this relationship out and
just see what house is going on out there. Surely
that is you know, that's a hard conversation here.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
How is it? How is it? I mean? Is it?
Would you be possible to say they want to see
what ouse is out there without thinking they want to
see if there's something better out there?

Speaker 12 (01:44:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
Good points.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
Yeah, And if you're the person that that's sprung on,
I mean, how could you think that they might not
just come across the greatest person they've ever met and
then you're out of the picture. But then again, I
guess you in in a relationship, you should back yourself
to be awesome. And if the relationship is just the

(01:44:58):
rest of your life of him walking around going on
I wish I was with a bunch of other people.
Is that a great relationship? Hard to say? Hey, guys,
the open marriage is that I have have been very complicated.
This person's about to take it very deep, Anthony. Consider
the latest research into quantum entanglement and then project from
that the effects that multiple sex relationships have and creating

(01:45:18):
ripples that go on and on and on. Having a
relationship outside of one that is meant for long term
companionship and support by both parties as an invitation to
the illusionment and hurt to at least one, if not all,
of the people involved.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
That is deep and it makes a lot of sense. Actually, yeah,
I'm no physicist, but well played. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Nineteen to four
a fresh.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Take on talkback.

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say on
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty news talk.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
Then be very good. Afternoon. Child is sixteen to four
and we are talking about open relationships. They are becoming
more and more mainstream, more couples are chatting about the
idea of open relationships. So love to hear from you
if you have had that conversation and you've decided, look,
it's not for me, we're going to have to break up.

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
Well, the fact that we have urges for other people
even whilst in a relationship, according to this text a
means we're not monogamous creatures A look at history and
you'll see that monogamy. Everyone knows you might have to
stand on a bus. If you can't stand, don't get
on a on the bus.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
Right, it started off really well and then.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Sorry, I think that I'm wondering if Siri has got
involved with this text enough of the socialist equity and
giving old people seats. Everyone knows you might Okay, okay, right, okay, Siri, Yeah, yes,
if you want to send that again, I think you've
been turned into a word jumble. It's like it's like

(01:46:47):
Strands or something, which I play every day on in
New York Times.

Speaker 3 (01:46:50):
It's a great game. By the way, Strands is amazing
to play it together.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Yeah, Strands connections every day for me Mini crossword, yes, go,
but seeing their back through because that seems like an
interesting point oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Mass Is Tyler, Mate, It's not a floor,
You're You're the same as most guys, including me, you
mus Yeah. I mean, I don't think it's a or
to just want your partner to just be your partner.
I don't think it's a floor.

Speaker 8 (01:47:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
I don't think you should feel guilty because you can't
imagine your partner being with other people. Yeah, I think,
and not judging other people by for the way they
want to live. It doesn't mean that you have to
just embrace every idea that's out there.

Speaker 3 (01:47:26):
That is a good point for your own life. Yeah, Chris,
how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 26 (01:47:31):
Good a.

Speaker 31 (01:47:32):
This is a sad story, but a great story at
the end. Okay, So just quickly for you boys, I
was in an open relationship with a chip that I
met at bar, and she said, she's got a girl
that's three years old and she doesn't want, you know,
too much connection. He just wants to, you know, have

(01:47:52):
fun and get along. And then after about two months
of hanging out with her once or twice a week,
went to a beach with a bunch of her friends
that I've never met, took her daughter, who was three,
out into the water, like splashing around, and oh that
was the first time she's been in the surf. So

(01:48:13):
I'm like, oh, I'm making progress, you know, I'm getting
close to this. Check She's brought me along to meet
her friends. Like okay, looks just because I quite like that,
and so I'm like, this is awesome.

Speaker 18 (01:48:26):
Then four or.

Speaker 31 (01:48:28):
Five days later, I went out to a part in
a different neighborhood in Sydnaney and she was with another
guy being whined and dyed and the daughter was there.
Whoa wow, And I was like, they don't approach them,
you know, walk away. You know, you've got to be
a man about this. Shiit sorry for swearing. And now

(01:48:51):
I was like, oh, like here I was four days ago,
like you know, trying to do the like I want
this character.

Speaker 17 (01:49:00):
You know.

Speaker 31 (01:49:01):
Oh I was burned. So anyway, I was like, not
going to hang around with these types of chips ever again.
If my wife we dated, the married, happy days, got
a house together, settled. But that girl, she had two
choices and she chose that life and are you at

(01:49:22):
the time it was.

Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
Heartbreaking confusing for the child as well.

Speaker 31 (01:49:29):
Yeah, so I've got this little girl either in the ocean,
kidney head above it obviously, you know, you know, making
splashes and you know, carrying on like that. And then
four days later I'm like, oh, she's actually dating other
people at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
We well, yeah, be good.

Speaker 31 (01:49:48):
If she's doing this now, she'll do this later.

Speaker 5 (01:49:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
I think if you call Chris, clearly not for you,
and it's probably a good thing. You know, Chris found
out when he did, rather than later down the track.
And I know obviously it was pretty heartbreaking from it
at the time. But the sooner the better you find
out if it's not for you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
Hi, lads, we're intelligent animals, the animals. Nonetheless, are we
suppose to be monogamous? Or is our basic incident to
breed and populate? Just a question for the audience. Yeah, well,
I think you know that we have lots of instincts
and we don't act on all of them. Yeah, otherwise
life would be very anarchistic. Yeah, so just our animal instincts,

(01:50:28):
I mean, part of being a human being is deciding
which of your animal instincts you're going to listen to
and which ones you're going to go for the good
of yourself. And your society and your family you're not
going to going to listen.

Speaker 3 (01:50:39):
To and thank God for that. Andrew, you want to
have a chat about jealousy.

Speaker 17 (01:50:44):
Yeah, yeah, Look, I think jealousy is a bit of
a misnomer and it's I actually think jealousy is insecurity
and drag and if you're secure in your relationship, then
there's absolutely no reason to get jealous. So like, like,
I know that regardless of what happens during the day,

(01:51:05):
I'm going home to my wife, and whatever happens during
who day, she's going home to me. I know that
I'm absolutely secure in that. And we we've been married
thirty five years and jealousy has never been a feature
of our relationship. It's not and we just simply do
not allow it to be.

Speaker 24 (01:51:26):
And so.

Speaker 17 (01:51:29):
And so how that translates in terms of open relationships
for well, for us, we don't have an open relationship,
but if we did, the same rules would apply. You know,
we're going home and with each other at the end
of the day. And also, would you would you let

(01:51:50):
sex destroy a family? I sure as how it wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
Yeah, it's a fair question, but but you could put
it the other way and say, the person that wants
to open up the relationship, they're letting their desires destroy
the the family. Well, you know, there's two ways to
look at it, Andrew.

Speaker 17 (01:52:11):
Oh, absolutely, But so you know, is a desire like
that me aig like that in a relationship that just
hasn't sprung up out of the blue. That's there's there's
something that's led to that, and that's going to lead
to a much bigger and heavier discussion about Okay, well

(01:52:33):
what what has led that desire to being a desire
is that? You know, you know what is it? I
don't want to define it, but there's there's something, there's
something going on in that relationship that's created that imbalance.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
Yeah, but I don't separate. And this is me and
I think you know a lot of people feel this
way if they're in a monogamous relationship that I don't
separate physical from the emotional. That to me is one
and the same. And if you separate for me the
physical side of it, then I don't want any part
of that relationship because that's a part that somebody else
is jumping in on and I feel really uncomfortable with that.

(01:53:14):
That's not about jealousy. That is just in my mind.
I think, you know, the fact that somebody else is
jumping in on that on that side of my love
relationship is too much. It's over the top. And I
don't think that's a jealousy thing. That's just I don't
want to share that that relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
With me, Andrew, it would be a jealousy thing.

Speaker 26 (01:53:35):
See.

Speaker 17 (01:53:35):
I see that as an intimacy thing. So what you're
saying is you don't want to share that level of intimacy,
and that's that's that's perfectly that's perfectly acceptable for you
to have that opinion, and other people might enjoy sharing
that level of intimacy.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
Yeah, absolutely, thank you, Andrew, thank you for your insights.
Enjoy the show. Says this text I heard recently have
a wedding invite that was received addressed to guest and partner.
A request came back from someone who requested to bring
her to partners as she was polyamorous. Sign of the times. Certainly,
it's bloody Expensive's weddings already expensive enough. Having the bloody

(01:54:17):
feed two people that you've only vaguely wanted to invite
you there on the peripherary, Yeah, you know, there's all
those people in the gray area of a wedding where
you're not sure you go. Really, if we're going to
invite them, I guess we kind of have to. You
know how that that the circle of people you invite
sort of extends out. Then you find someone that's right
in the gray area and they come back where there's
actually three of us.

Speaker 30 (01:54:37):
Yeah, it's a plus one. You're not a plus two
three plus one? Yeah, yes, come on, send the other
two when you stay at home. But there's I'm only
paying for wine for two of you, not you three
disgusting alcoholics, slamming the overpriced food.

Speaker 3 (01:54:50):
It's an open bar. How much money do you think
we've got. Yeah, right, we've got to take a quick break,
but we've got plenty of ticks coming through. It is
seven to four.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
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Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
Be news talks be it is five to four.

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
This Texas says the lack of calls from females on
this topic tells me that what actually people want in
this world, says Chrissy. This person says, I've been twenty
five years in a polythrople, raised six kids, never had
any issues, lost friends over it when they found out.
But that's their issue, not ours. Well, great discussion, so
that answers the question is it possible? All right? That

(01:55:33):
brings us to the end of the show. Great conversations
over the last three hours. Thank you so much for
all your calls and text the Sir Paul Holmes Broadcaster
of the Year here the duplessy Ellen is up next.
But why am I playing the song?

Speaker 3 (01:55:45):
Tyler is called Ebony No oh? So the band is
called Ebony Oh Big Norm because we had a fantastic
chat about the sad passing of Jim Bulger. But a
lot of texts coming through saying Norm Kirk one of
the legends, one.

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
Of the greatest Prime ministers of all time according to
a lot of our texters. All right, thank you so
much for us. As I said, until tomorrow afternoon, wherever
you are, what are you doing? Give them a taste
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