Full Show Podcast: 20 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, great New Zealanders, Welcome to Matt and Tyler
Full Show, Podcast number two twenty five for the twentieth
of October, in the Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty five.
I already say that, No, it's twenty twenty. It's two
hundred and twenty five. Is that the number of podcasts
in the year is twenty twenty five?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (00:33):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yep, great great show today. Covered up a lot of topics.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Actually heated, heated, yeah, really heated on a Monday.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Got really heated about sunshine.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
It did.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's got very warm the Sunshine tet that's absolutely and yeah,
and then a great breakfast to end. So I thought
it was a very good show today. I really enjoyed it.
So I hope hopefully you enjoy it and podcast form people.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
You'll love it, no doubt about it. And just quickly
listen out for Matt's very technical, very very down to
a fine art breakfast. It's a beautiful thing. You've got
to hear it, and it sounds delicious.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well, I guarantee my breakfast will cure whatever ails you.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, I'm going to give it a try.

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Speaker 4 (01:34):
Be very good afternoons. Yeah, welcome into Monday afternoon. It's
a good day. Hope you're doing well. We're heavy, you're listening.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, Amen for those of you who that are just
to joining us, because of course, in some parts of
the country we go from twelve and some parts of
the country we go for one. On Matt Entile Afternoons.
Last hour, I was struggling to be able to read
my bits of paper because I'd lost my glasses and
had to do the show using my prescription sunglasses. It
was tough, it was it was real good. It was
very dark, thank you. Well. I kind of looked like
Roy Orbison, but I couldn't really read, and so the

(02:07):
whole whole has been looking for my glasses.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
They honestly have. Yeah, when I went down to the
cafe where you thought you lost them, and she said,
what's going on? You're about the six per person to
come and ask me about glasses.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, all eight hundred and fifty ns in me employees
were in a panic. The CEO was out on the
street with a metal detector and I found them in
a herb garden. Yes, I found them in the herb
garden of the Scratch cafe across the road. So so
it feels so good. Sometimes it's worth something annoying happening

(02:39):
happening to you so when you go back to normal,
you can appreciate your life. So it was so difficult
to try and do the show when I couldn't see
anything and I was essentially blind. To have my glasses back,
it's just I feel like I feel like I've won
the lottery.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, you just need to give yourself a disadvantage in
life sometimes and then get it back.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Oh, you're like a new man.

Speaker 6 (03:00):
You are.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Honestly, you're sitting here and thinking.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yes, yeah, all right, but we can put that behind us,
and just before we go on with the show, I
just want to I have to. I'm a huge baseball fan,
and I'm a huge Dodgers fan, and what happened in
the weekend was so monumental it cannot be It cannot
go unmentioned. Shohatani played the single greatest game of baseball

(03:23):
that has ever been played in the history of that
great game. And that sounds like an exaggeration. People throw
that around, but you can quantifiably show it because he
both pitches and bats, which no one else does. Hence
the show how Tani rule that they've had to bring in.
He did something so phenomenal in Game four of the
National League Championship Series that, I mean, the only person

(03:46):
that's ever going to be able to better it is him,
and I guess the best way to get to explain
it is I'll go to a news report from CBS
on it. Ody has done it again, this third home run.

Speaker 7 (04:05):
Ladies and gentlemen, there are stars, there are for stars,
and then there's this supernatural phenomenon that is show. Hey Otani,
the Dodger had the single greatest game ever last night.
Ten strikeouts, three homers, and a place in the World Series.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Game four of the LCS absolutely final. One of its
second home run was just huge. It went out of
the park, it bounced off the top of the pavilion.
So the Dodgers swept the Brewers to go into the
World Series. But for me, who's followed baseball for about
ten twelve years, love it, but it's not in my

(04:46):
DNA in the same way as rugby and cricketers because
I was, you know, thinking about them before I was
even able to speak. But in America that we're the
people that are like that for baseball. It's like they're
seeing a ghost that they talk about it in a
way that it is impossible. It's like someone's got a
cheap code in the simulation what sho he Otani's doing.

(05:08):
We've seen an alien land. That's why how all the
baseball commentators are talking about it. It's unbelievable because the
skill level you have to have to be able to
pitch in the preparation that you have to have to
bear a starting pitcher is just off the charts. That's
why you have starting pitchers and the only pitch once
every five days in the rotation that most right mean

(05:30):
to be the leadoff bat at bat that is phenomenal
as well, and he's both those things. So he was
the first person ever to strike out three in the
first innings then go out and hit a home run,
and then he hit two more home runs.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Super freak.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
So only twelve people have done one side of that
and only twenty six people have done the other side
of that in all the history of playoff baseball and
he did both of them in one game.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yeah, what an absolute freak. And I like his confidence.
I think he said two words online would say another
four games then we're at We're right, We've got it.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
He is absolutely dialed in. But I thoroughly recommend, whether
you like baseball or not, just look up on you
tube show how Tani's highlights from the game and just
the way the commentators react to it. It's I'm not
sure what it would be in New Zealand sport. I'm
not sure what the equivalent would be, but.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
It's high praise just thinking that what is the equivalent
to New Zealand sport? That is that is saying something.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, well, just the difference between pitching and batting and
baseball are so vastly different, and he throws faster. He's
the third fastest picture it can picture one hundred and
two miles an hour.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
He's not human. He's not human anyway.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I just needed to get that off my chest because
it was so incredibly exciting for me. Across the weekend,
I'm wearing my show how Tony Hat and I'm so
excited for the world series. So let's go. Okay, thanks
thanks for humoring me through that.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
People, Hey, we love passion. Right after three o'clock, this
is going to be a good discussion. Breakfast. How important
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that skipping your first meal of the day could more
than double your risk of dying from heart disease, and
it goes further. Every extra hour you delay a breakfast
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Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, so what's the perfect breakfast? It looks like breakfast
is the thing to go for and skipping breakfast is
not good judging by this, But what is the perfect breakfast?
I think I've solved it and I'll share that with
you after three.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Looking forward to that. Then after two a clock. Doctor
Bronwyn mcno she's the lead author author of a new
Public Health Communications Center report into skin cancer. As we know,
around one hundred thousand New Zealander is a diagnosed with
diagnosed rather with skin cancer every year and around five
hundred die annually. But that calling for big policy changes.
They want more mandatory shade and public a ban on

(07:43):
commercial sun beds, mandatory standards for sunglasses and some protective clothing,
and an increase in routine checks of your skin and moles.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well, how do we do the balance because we obviously
need to be out and about in the sun doing
activities and not sitting in our room's doom, scrolling in
the dark with the curtains ship. Yes, so we need
the sun, but there's no amount of sun exposure that
doesn't come with some risk. So how do we work
up that balance? Personally, I just go loose and gets
under it.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
You got hardcore? Yeap, yep, bring it on. It's good
for you. Right that is after two o'clock, because right now,
let's have a chat about this megastrike. This Thursday, New
Zealand phases one of the largest public sector strikes in
recent history. Around one hundred thousand teachers, health professionals, and
other frontline public workers will work walk off the job.
They say they've had enough of burnout, they're underfunded, they're

(08:30):
not being paid enough, and they're being treated as expendable.
But the government has fired back, and they'll fired back hard.
In particular Judith Collins, she's written an open letter and
here is a little bit of what she said in
that letter.

Speaker 8 (08:42):
The planned strike is politically motivated, pure and simple, and
after you hear this, I think you'll agree. I have
no doubt it is driven by unions who do not
represent the views of many of their members. Why house
would two of the teacher unions have positions on Palestine?
And why would one of them have Palestine as a
number one item on their agenda for a proposed meeting

(09:03):
with the Education Minister. Palestine, not terms and conditions, not
student achievement, not the new curriculum. No Palestine sounds like
politics to me and to the thousands of New Zealanders
who have had medical appointments procedures postponed due to the strike.
I want to acknowledge the pain and fear some of
you will be living with. I also want you to

(09:24):
know that we value nurses, doctors, and other health workers
just as we value teachers principles and teacher aids who
teach children and run schools. We value all public sect employees,
but the government also has responsibility to manage the country's
finances very carefully, especially when money is tight. We've made
numerous offers to key unions and in some cases these

(09:46):
have been rejected without even being put to union members.
Sounds like politics to me, and finally to the unions,
please put a side disruption and return to dialogue for
everyone's sake.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
So that is Judith Collins and a little bit of
our open letter that she's written to the public of
New Zealand now just on the Palestine question, because there
was a few texts coming up saying if that is true,
it's incredible odd and it has been confirmed by the
association president Chris Abbercombie. He told Francesca Runkin on her
show yesterday. It was on the agenda along with NCAA changes,

(10:20):
AI marketing and curriculum changes.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Now, our membership passed the paper at annual conference last
year called Pieces Union Business and we wanted to raise
our concerns around the destruction of the education system in Gaza.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Right, So that is confirmed that Palestine was on the
agenda for these talks.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
That is insane? Am I going crazy? How has that
got anything to do with trying to get you know,
try the further the needs of the members of your union,
Because what kind of level of main character syndrome do
you think you have as a union to think that

(10:57):
you have any sway or any effect at all or
the situation on the other side of the world. Is
it all within your remit?

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah? And I've missed out. I mean, why not Ukraine?
You know, why not what's happening in Sudan? What I
mean on the agenda? Yeah, exactly, Just go all out
and you can have a chat about all the various
conflicts going on in the world while we're trying to
figure out the best way forward for our kids' education.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well, whatever you think about the demands of the union
and whatever you think about this strike, you've got to
say that that is not sticking to your knitting. Yeah, whatever,
the opposite of sticking to your knitting is, That's what
that is.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
I mean, I don't know if they thought this wasn't
going to come out. Surely they must have thought that
this was going to be made public and it just
it is incredibly odd that they put Palestine in that list.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
This text says Cura Kora. I'm in the Nzeire Primary
Teachers Union. I don't know any teachers who have voted
in favor of this week's strike at the paid union
meeting in September. The union we're trying really hard to
rile up the teachers, but the teachers weren't at a
feeling that aggrieved. The union doesn't seem to understand that
a number of things that they have as strike issues

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are they that are not part of our collective.

Speaker 7 (12:10):
E g.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
We can't strike to have teacher aids in each classroom.
That is ministry policy, not part of our collective. The
country just can't afford to pay teachers more. The country
is broke. I want the future to be brighter for everyone.
The NZEI need to stop building short sighted, being short sighted.
I'm thrilled to be paid one hundred thousand dollars for
work I do, and remember all teachers get paid the same,

(12:32):
whether you're amazing or mediocre. Nami, great text, So come
on through. What do you say?

Speaker 4 (12:38):
What's your thoughts about the MEIGA strike and specifically the
teachers strike as well. How do you feel about how
the unions are operating here? Do you think it is political?

Speaker 6 (12:47):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call?

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Whereas Rachel says Nikola needs to go back to baking
and counting cookies for Fonterra lunch breaks.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
I don't know she did that.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Wow, it's quite a talent.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Actually, nineteen ninety two is the text number. Shocking, shocking.
Back in the moment is eighteen past one.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in the Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams Afternoons used talks.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
It'd be afternoon. It's twenty past one. We're talking about
this mega strike on Thursday. Judith Collins has written this
open letters saying it's unfair and unjust. What do you
say now?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Look, and just before we go on to that, I
agree Targo were fantastic in the weekend and that was
worthy of mention. But people have mentioned that, and you
know from Dunedin. So bring it on, bring on Canterbury fantastic.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
It's got to be a big final.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
But the show hay a tourney thing has not been
punished in the in the media in the same regard,
So I just thought I needed to bring it up.
And also the people that comparing Babe Ruth, it's not
even the same thing, so you can't even I don't
want to get into it, but Babe Ruth has never
done what show Haatarney did and gosh damn, it was
a different era.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, a lot of excitement coming through for show a
Sha Tany though, I've got to say, Jared.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on the strikes?

Speaker 9 (13:59):
Yeah, so I'm a little bit confused as to I mean,
doing it on a Thursday. You've got a public holiday
on a Monday. I mean, could they not have done
it on a Friday and then every parent in New
Zealand could get like a long weekend to go away
with pictids and then it wouldn't be such a problem.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
I am. Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Well, I guess that's not the point. The point of
a strike isn't to be convenient.

Speaker 9 (14:22):
Yeah, I mean, but they're not going to get people
on side by women annoying you all the parents are they?
You know? Like, if you want our support, like, how
about you throw us a bone and give us a
long weekend? And we might actually listen to your cause. Now,
it's kind of like, you know, my son doesn't just
start at school this term, and he really loves it,
and just while he's getting in the swing of it,
he's not going to be able to go to school,

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and these are things that sort of annoy annoy him.
He really loves school, he absolutely loves it, and these
strikes are going to sort of, you know, mess up
our little routine during the week. And I just kind
of thought, you know, if you want some support on
a Friday and we have a long weekend and we
might actually read your pamphlet.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, well, I mean that there's there's there's a lot
of logic in that equally though that I think if
the teachers had put it on Friday, we would all
be saying, oh, you guys just want a long weekend,
you know.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 (15:13):
Well well some schools have actually done a teacher's only
day on the Friday, all right.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
So they are getting an extended long anyway.

Speaker 9 (15:19):
They are doing that as well. So I mean, if
the owls and that, and I'd be annoyed that my
son's just started school and he's got his third week
of school is only going to be three days when
he's absolutely loving it at the moment, loving all the
writing loving, or the reading loving, or the learning.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, well, I mean that those disruptions, you know, I
mean we want to have the message that going to
school is incredibly important and that needs to be drun done.
So that is that is that's that's not a great thing, Jared.
If you're if you're it's going to interrupt your kid's
enthusiasm for the school.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yeah, you've got to be careful to get their balance
right before the people turn on you.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
The Texas says, this government so out of touch. You
never turn the people against the frontline services. They are
just putting us against each other. So we move away
from them and their idiotic policy changes. Maybe stop doing
tax cuts and pay our teachers and nurses.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Thank you very much. That text keep those coming through
on nine two ninety two O one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call if you're a
teacher out there. How do you feel about how the
union has handled it? I imagine there are some teachers out
there when they saw the facts of the matter on
what was on that agenda, maybe feeling a bit aggrieved
or are you wholly in support of what the union
is trying to do? Here love to hear from you.

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It is twenty four past one. Back in the mole.
You're listening to Matton Tyler.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the make asking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
To psychological effect of anything with the three in it.
What's your assessment of that? Do we we're already in
a funk. Does this sort of syncus well?

Speaker 10 (16:45):
I think people already know that the cost of living
has been rising quite significantly. I mean a nice little
factoy dare inflation back inside the target range, but the
level of prices is more than twenty percent high than
the pandemics, So people know that they've got less money
in the back pocket. There is their bank's kind of
interested in. Do people think that they need to get

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a bigger pay rise? Are their inflation expectations it's going
to rise so far? They seem pre seguine about that.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Twenty seven past one. We're talking about this so called
megastrike on Thursday. What is your feelings about that strike
in general? And how the unions are operating, and how
the government's operating as well. While at one hundred and
eighty ten eighty, how can.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Money be tight when Judith spends twelve billion in toys
for the army? Says this texter, Hi, guys, it's interesting
that the only people striking are public servants who are
doing a vital job. Who do a vital job, but
don't participate in generating revenue. The biggest problem they have
is figuring out how to spend the tax revenue generated
by the private sector economy. Doing it hard means lower

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tax take. They don't see that as their problem and
don't see the need to participate in doing it hard
like everyone else. Increasing wages is a stagnant economy forces
the government to borrow to cover the sorry, increasing wages
in a stagnant economy forces the government to borrow to
cover the cost, meaning less to spend on education and health.
The entitlement of not wanting to participate in doing it
hard like the private sector is astonishingly arrogant. Having never

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had to figure out how to earn money makes them
completely disconnected and ignorant. That's from Andrew This textas says
you are both out of touch. I'm not sorry how
this text doesn't make sense, but I'll try and go
through it. All the strikers work for the government of
the day, Okay, So what they're saying is you're both

(18:38):
out of touch. All the strikers work for the government
of the day. Most New Zealanders feel the Palestine stands
against what New Zealanders feel. If your employer is sporting
supporting genocide, I would expect you to include it in
discussions supporters, but I favor in favor of the strike.
You two and your station is so out of touch.
I know you won't read this out because you are

(19:00):
a right wing station, admit it, Ellen, you No, I
won't read that out.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
No, no, not at all.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
I tried to read that. But Ellen, if you wanted
to read it out right in a sense, check your
text once you've written it. I know you're in a heated,
angry mood when you wrote it, but I have read
it out, but it didn't make any sense.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Quite hard to decisee that, Alan, because yeah, I think
you had a good point that you wanted to make.
But we've just got to be able to decipher those texts.
But we read it out, so the year ago.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
But isn't it. It's kind of just it's less. You know,
there's so much in the world, right, and so your
job as the teacher's union is to advocate and get
what you think the teachers need to do their job.
And in this case, you're after pay rises, et cetera.
That's your job, that is your remit. So all we're

(19:49):
saying is outside of the issue, whatever the issue is,
whatever the issue is, it is odd to bring an
issue that isn't that into your discussions that is not
your You can do that on your own time. You
can you can form whatever body you want to do it,
or join anybody that does it. But it's just really
odd that one of the four things that you're bringing up,
and it's been accused of that it's the first thing

(20:10):
you bring up, is something that's got absolutely nothing to
do with you. Yeah, I mean, I think that's not
absolutely nothing to do with where you have focus and
the power to make change.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah, I agree. A strike should be the last option,
and it often is because it is incredibly disruptive, and
it's going to be disruptive on Thursday, and if there's
any element of that part of the agenda talking about Palestine,
that there's no way you're going to change it. That
caused the strike to go ahead or stop the unions
from getting back to the bargaining table. That's unfair, That
is unfair to teachers, that is unfair of parents, and

(20:43):
that is unfair to the kids. But can you hear
your thoughts? Is bang on hop ass one headlines with
railing coming up, then taking more of your course.

Speaker 11 (20:53):
Youse talks, that'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's
no trouble with a blue bubble. Labors unveiled its first policy,
the Future Fund, modeled off the Super Fund but investing
solely in keyw projects. Leader Chris Sipkin says it will
ensure or kiwis have a future in the country and
won't leave for better prospects offshore. Inflation spiked to three

(21:15):
percent in the year to September, but a commentator says
inflations unlikely to rise further. A sleew of wind and
rain warnings cover southern and central parts of the country.
About one thousand customers of lost par in Dunedin and
mosgew and a tree's blocking State Highway eighty eight on
Anzac Avenue between Frederick and Harrow Streets, and a truck

(21:35):
is still blocking State Highway eight south of tekapour A.
A need and man with a breath alcohol level almost
double the limit has been charged after allegedly falling asleep
in his stationery running car with his foot firmly planted
on the accelerator. Former Prime Minister Jimbolgia will be farewelled
on Thursday morning with a local funeral service at our

(21:58):
Lady of Carpet Catholic Church. Why an NCEEA overhaul must
confront deeper problems in education. You can see the full
column at Enzi Herald Premium. Back to Matt Heath and
Tyner Adams.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty six to two.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
This is an important issue that's floating in the background
of the other issue we're talking about the strikes. This
from Graham. Never mind the baseball Matt Heath, When is
that muppet Carlos Sign's going to realize he's the problem,
not the other drivers. This is the third or fourth
time he has taken out another driver trying to make
a pass that was never on. Is he going to
appeal his latest penalty? Never mind moaning about your girlfriend

(22:35):
being on TV. How about stopping t boning other cars you, Dick.
I agree with you Graham, and you know the abuse
that he was giving the Liam and the bullying Liam
when basically Carlos signs Dad is going to run the
whole shot. So he's like the He's like the kid
who's dad's the coach and he's getting away with everything

(22:57):
that guy hundred agree, that's not the issue we're talking about.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yes, let's get back to evident chat about this mega
strike on Thursday. What are your thoughts about this mega
striking use of apporting the teachers, the health professionals, the
other public service workers or do you think it has
been weaponized by the unions and there is a political
element to it. Love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
What exactly did the teachers want to discuss about Palestine?
It makes no sense at all. If they want to
protest the war, they can go and stand on a
corner in the weekend with their banners. But this Texas
says Judith Collins' private secretary instructed the PPTA not to
bring up pay and conditions. Are the items on the
agenda included Palestine? But this has now become the point

(23:39):
of focus. Now, well, what were the aple Crombie, what
did he say that the four things that they were
talking about in that meeting.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
So this is the PPTA Association president. So he said,
I quote, the union had suggested four items relating to Palestine,
n CEA changes, AI marking, and the curriculum. I don't
think anyone can disagree with those last three. That is
right within your remit. That is bang on. They are
good things to discuss. And it's not to say Palestine
isn't a good thing to discuss, but not in that scenario,

(24:06):
not when you're trying.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
It's the main character syndrome if you think that you
have anything to do with that situation. But if there's
four slots and you're using one of them on Palestine, yeah,
I think you're a little bit out of whack, you know,
just in my opinion this Texas is my daughter is
doing her first year at NCAA and is really upset
about these strikes. Exams are only three weeks away, and
now on top of a short semester, only fifteen weeks

(24:28):
instead of twenty weeks like the first half of the year.
They have to deal with even less teaching due to
the strikes. Do the teachers really think this is fair
to the students. Absolutely appalled by this behavior, says that Texter,
let's go to Justin. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Good, I go to you again.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Very good, thanks for calling.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
No worries, No worry. A couple of teks before the
news were both being on in two points, Andrew, I
think it was they talked about the economy, the tax take,
that sort of thing that of course makes a huge
difference on how much money there is to throw around.
And you know, and we all know why there isn't
a huge amounts of Maine to throw around, COVID, the

(25:07):
previous labor and Green's governments that have put us into
this whole to a fair degree. And then your next
texta after an hour, and I think it was just
shows how to whack those the left side and these
teachers and that are in the unions.

Speaker 10 (25:22):
You know.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
The figure is I've read lately, and I know some
of them pretty well. I'm involved with schools with my
children and board of trustees and stuff. You know. But
the other day seventy eight thousand starting rate for a
teacher four thousand dollars a year pay rise, no questions asked.
You know, they can go through to one hundred and
eight thousand. They get their twelve weeks leave. I know

(25:42):
a nurse who's a nice to you. She's on over
one hundred grand. She does shift work, but she's more
than happy. You know, if the teachers want to earn
like a lawyer, go and be like a lawyer. But
you know, I'm a I working at farming family, farming
business with farmers and foresters. You know, I'm earning around
those starting teacher rates. But you know I get four

(26:03):
weeks leave a year. At certain times of the year,
I'm working six and seven days a week and I'm
working ten, eleven, twelve hours a day. So it's just
bloody ridiculous. You know, when the WEDND, they think the
checkbook runs out. You know, there's just I know, and
they want their votes, so that's why they pay. And
then it is totally political. The unions are just absolutely

(26:26):
on the bandwagon now because the election's coming up. They're
trying to make the right look shit because oh look
how mean they are. They won't give you any money.
But as Judith said the other day, I think in
the article the public sector has gone up two point
three and the sorry two point eight, and the private's
gone up two point three. So it's not a bottomless

(26:47):
pit of money, like they just need a reality check.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Is there anything that the teachers or let's just stick
to the teachers at the moment, because they were the
ones bringing up other issues and meetings. But is there
anything can do you have any sympathy for any of
the teacher's major demands, you know, the you know that.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
On I'm not just making the stuff with the curriculum.
I am involved with Border trustees. I know there is
a huge amount of work going on with the introduction
and primary schools of the phonics and the new curriculum
stuff going on, and mathematics as well. But they are
getting a lot of release time for that, and they're
getting a lot of PD, a lot of professional development

(27:30):
for that. It's not like it's totally cold Turkey. You know,
they are getting support and help with that stuff. But yeah,
you know, at the end of the day, we all
do what we enjoy. I don't do what I do
just for the money. I wouldn't be doing it if
it was just for the money. So there's a certain
point We've got to look at the state of the world,
the state of the economy, and go, well, I just

(27:51):
can't keep asking for more because yeah, there's not more
to be taken at this point in time.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
What do you think of the pushback that they say
tax cuts and you know that that point that they
keep repeating the union's tax cuts for the landlords.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, look, the right had not got it one hundred percent, right,
you know, there's no doubt about that. And there was
the issue too, wasn't there with the tobacco industry. Got
some relief or something there too, didn't They they're certainly
far from perfect. But the reality is we've just come
out of COVID, we've come out. We're in a massive world,
you know, depression of work and things like that, and

(28:34):
you've just got to be realistic with that. You know,
you just can't keep asking all the time for more
and more. Yeah, you know, you just can't. It's not
always going to be there when things are good. Yep,
you get big pay risers. When things are tough, you're
tight in your belt and you just put your head
down and your ass uff and your work. But teaching,
they just don't seem to see it like that way.
They just every year want more, and the unions just, yeah,

(28:55):
try and make the right look bad because you know
they want the left to get back in because they
know they'll guarantee them a pay rise. But you know
that's why what have we blurned out to one hundred
and eighty million dollars of geet or something. It's just nuts.
We just can't afford it billion.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Thanks for your call, Justin.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
That is certainly the sentiment from a lot of people
out there.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Well, this text pushes back on Justin and says that
Farmer should go teaching. Yeah, right, wouldn't last a week
and seventy eight k starting rate? No way, check your facts, buddy.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Got on your text? Nine two ninety two is the
text number. I mean, this is the hard part when
it comes to collective bargaining, right, is that it's not
based on a merit situation. And there's all sorts of
reasons for that. But that's why it's incredibly tough when
I look at this from the outside. Teachers, for example,
they are fantastic, a lot of them are, and we
need them and we need them to be good. But
when it's not merit based and it's collective based, and

(29:44):
it's led primarily by a union who does appear to
be political judging on some of these things. Chris amber
Kombia's saying, that makes it incredibly difficult for individual teachers
who may be feeling aggrieved by how this is going,
but they can't do anything. They're based in this union
but union led collective agreement. Rather than I'm a good teacher,
here's why, and here's why I deserve a pay cut

(30:05):
by myself.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
So just further to the to the pay argument, the
government says the latest offer to primary teachers which have
accepted being sixty sixty percent of them will earn a
base saluvy of at least one hundred thousand dollars within
twelve months. For secondary teachers, seventy six will reach a
base of one hundred thousand dollars from the twenty ninth
of October twenty twenty five. I mean, it's confusing when
you say seventy six of them will reach a base

(30:27):
of one hundred thousand, but that's what the government say.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It's eighteen to two.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Back in a moment, Wow, it's certainly firing people like this, sisc.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
They'd be afternoon Judah is a quarter to term. We're
talking about the megastrike on Thursday. What is your feeling
towards it? If you're a parent, if you are due
to jump into the hospital, jump into the hospital, if
you've got a hospital appointment. How do you feel about
this mega strike? Do you think it's fair play? Do
you back the protesters or do you think they need
to come back to the collective bargaining table.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
The six says teachers deserve everything they get and more.
If people aren't happy with what teachers get paid, teach
your children at home. I mean, I love teachers. My
mum was a teacher, and well I love some teachers.
Some teachers are terrible, but a lot of them are
fantastic and just work so hard and do extra stuff.
And I've seen teachers just go out of their way
for my kids in the time, and I'm really grateful
for it. And I think a lot of people would

(31:27):
agree that teachers that we I think a lot of
people think that we'd like to live in a country
where we could pay teachers a lot more. Unfortunately, the
reality is that we're pretty broke, and we're spending a
whole whole lot of money paying interest on a huge debt,
so we don't really have a lot of money to
throw around. So in the perfect world, we would pay

(31:49):
teachers a tur hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year
definitely if we could, and we get the absolute best
people into teaching, and because I believe the children are
a future. Nicely et good line like Whitney Houston. But
we I mean, the reality is that we don't really
have a lot of money at the moment. High guys,
great topic. I'm a former teacher and a former school principal.

(32:11):
I am also an ongoing honorary member of the Teacher's Union.
I'm embarrassed about the strike. There is little need for it.
Get back to negotiating table right away. Cheers, Jason, Thank
you for that text. This Texas is I'm a science
technician under n ZEI, and I can assure you that
a lot of support staff were against the strike. NZDA

(32:31):
voting systems are dodgy at best, they should be investigated.
Boy people that were Yeah, yeah, I know there are
issues in government budgets, but it's a question of choices
on right leanding. But national is making the situation works.
We need proper reform while government departments need to be
dissolved or amalgamated. That is from John Brian.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Good afternoon, guy, I tell you very good.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Thank you.

Speaker 12 (32:54):
Yeah, that's just.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
A quick couple of comments about the unions. I mean,
the problem I see with the unions is that they're
useful in areas where we're needing a representation of working conditions,
and that I think quite often they are very political.
And the other problem with them is they're self serving.
You can imagine that their whole reason for existence is

(33:19):
to increase, you know, a working or better working positions,
but pay for their members, because you can imagine if
they never got a pay rise for the members, the
members would leave and then there's no fees and then
there's no hierarchy needed. So you know, it's only in
there ever best interest to say we need well pay,

(33:39):
we need more pay, and that might not necessarily be
the sentiment of the members, and many of them may
well understand the plight of the country at the moment,
and that there isn't nice funds. But that happens in
the unions. I mean it happened in the freezing works
where they just increased pay and pay and pay, and
they strikes and all sorts of things until basically the

(34:02):
freezing works just got eaten away because they are uncompetitive,
you know, compared with the oversee because of our flavor rate.
So you know, you can't do that with teachers. I
hope I don't because you need teachers. But I think
that's the thing. And the other little comment is you
keep on mentioning about the unman. You know, there isn't
an endless money for you know, all these things. That

(34:24):
is quite right, and people sometimes think they quickly move
on from the whole that was dune during COVID, and
we talk about literally being able to service the interest
debt or the debt interest on the debt. No one
is even mentioning about going beyond that and paying down debt.

(34:47):
And that's where you're going to get this multi generational
a fere where we're basically plundered the coffers and it's
generations that are going to pay for that. So you know,
people seem to move on quickly and say, oh, you know,
why the government doing this and why are they doing that?
And surely we've got money, and it's just it's basically

(35:08):
not actually facing up to the reality of it.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Well, what what do you what do you think about
you know, the pushback that the that the n z
I is giving to the government about about tax cuts, Brian,
because this is this is the line that they're using
a lot, and it's a it's a labor party line,
isn't it. The government has spent huge sums on tax
cuts for landlords, tax cuts for tobacco companies, and huge

(35:34):
increases in public sector board directors fees. Now they need
to invest in education. What do you think about this?

Speaker 6 (35:41):
As if they hadn't have done that, I mean they
I mean you saw you know, I mean the election.
If they hadn't have done that, they may not have
got it. And you can't be bigger all the power.
So I mean, you know, it was a big charac
dangled in front of everyone for a lot of a
lot of a lot of voters. Yeah, I mean it'll

(36:01):
be the same and you know, I mean, well whatever
calor political party you dangle a carrot of some sort,
and it's usually he follows a theme.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Yes, So do you think, Brian, that the core frustration
that is out there for maybe a lot of people
is that this is tough times at the moment and
not too many people are getting pay rises each year.
So it's that idea we're going to We're got to
keep our heads down and push through this and times
will get better. And maybe they're not feeling that unions
have got that same mentality at the moment.

Speaker 6 (36:32):
Well, that's correct, but I also say the public service,
I mean just just you know, driving forever increasing wages.
I mean, you know, people go on about their private sector,
private sectors, capitalists and things like that at the moment.
Every other day currently you hear about a major business
or company going under. You know, there was a grab

(36:54):
one today on the news. There was down here in
christ it's a smith's city. The furniture retailers and department
stores going under. There's there's all sorts. Just every other day,
it seems like top else was going under. And that's
the reality of the private sector at the moment. So
you know, they're certainly doling out the they'rever increasing pay increases.

(37:20):
They're trying to keep a float at a tough time.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yeah, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Call Brian the six is Hey, guys, just joined the conversation,
but I wanted to text in. At the start of
this teachers slash nurse to strike. I was fully behind them.
Everyone deserves good pay. However, this has gone on for
way too long. I bet most of the public are
over at too. I know many in the private sector
that have gone years without a pay increase. I'm finding
these straights incredibly frustrating. Thanks Thomas, thank you for that.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Teach nine two nine two is that number. We're going
to play some messages, but we'll come back with more
of your thoughts. It is eight minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred eighty.
It's Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons news Dogs.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
B news Dogs there b. It's five to two.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
The six and says, please don't talk about tax cuts
for landlords. This is a fallacy. Labour skewed the tax
system by removing normal tax deductibility and this government fixed that. Yeah.
I mean it's a bit of a tack line, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (38:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
It's a it's a workshop slogan from the Labor Party.
But there's there's definitely you can look at that two ways.
For sure. You certainly this Texas says you two fascists
needs to shut up, You two fascists need to shut
up and pay the teachers. Well, it's not really up
to me whether the teachers get paid or not or Tyler, No,
but all we're doing is asking questions and allowing people
to have the conversation on both sides.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Always with the fascists, always with the fascist the insults. Pete,
we've got about sixty seconds, my friend, what do you
think here?

Speaker 13 (38:47):
So here's the question for you. Do you think that
the unions are effectively worthholding education and withholding healthcare in
order to achieve the goals of their supporters?

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Tough, I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
I think yeah, that's the case.

Speaker 13 (39:03):
Isn't that what the Republicans in the States are doing
getting vilified for?

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, I mean I guess that's I mean, that's what
you do. That's what a strike is, really, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (39:13):
You know?

Speaker 13 (39:13):
You they're withholding healthcare from New Zealanders and what's holding education?
The further their own goals? They should be called out
for it.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
There you go, Pete, But I mean the striking has
been a thing that people have used for a long
time to get results.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
That's right. But you've got to keep that balance right though,
don't you. And as we've seen via otics machine, apparently
a few teachers are not happy with what their unions
are doing here. So you've got to be careful because
that's who votes you in. And if you go against
the public and the teachers themselves, then your bugget well.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I think whichever way you sit on it, I think
most people would agree it was insane that one of
the four things they were bringing up with Eerga Stanford
was palistine so strange.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
Yeah, right, thank you?

Speaker 2 (39:55):
How does that happen?

Speaker 4 (39:56):
How did that get on the list?

Speaker 2 (39:58):
So you're not looking the mirror in the morning and
go are we doing something really crazy here?

Speaker 6 (40:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (40:02):
Great discussion coming up after two o'clock. Let's have a
chat about how good the sun is for you. That's next.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 6 (40:14):
It be.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show. I
hope you're having a great Monday after noon. It's beautifully
sunny in Auckland at the moment. I know there's some
weather issues down south, but I hope you're having a
good day. Nonetheless, this is going to be a great discussion.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Absolutely, and it is weather related. It is sun. It's
the harsh New Zealand sun.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
Certainly is so. This is a new report from the
Public Health Communications Center says around one hundred thousand New
Zealanders are diagnosed with skin cancer every year. There are
big numbers, and around five hundred die annually. But the
call for from doctor Bromwin mcnow she was the lead
author of this study. She wants mandatory shade in public places,

(40:57):
a ban on commercial sunbeards, mandatory standards for sunglasses and
some protective clothing, and an increase in routine checks of
your skin and your moles.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah. I mean, obviously those numbers are rough, the amount
of people that are being affected by it and the death.
But I think it's it's I hate the idea of
if someone wants to go into a sun beard, then
that's their decision, right, Yeah, banning sunbeard seems and mandatory
shade all that kind of stuff. It's it's it's it's

(41:28):
as I talk about a lot, it's the infantalization, infantalization
of our country. We're just treating people like children. So
the government starts treating everyone like their mum and you're
a little kid, and yelling at us to put on
a hap before we go outside and stuff, all that
kind of stuff that get under the shade to educate people. Absolutely,

(41:49):
get the message out there, But any people have to
make up their own decision in life. But I think
the interesting question about this is the more we hit,
the more we learn going forward about vitamin D and
the mental health and general health benefits of being out
in the sun and and and our side activities sport,

(42:10):
going on big walks, tramps, running, all that kind of stuff.
All that really really good stuff for kids and adults
happens outside yep. And it's hugely beneficial. I mean, just
can be. I mean it's just a matter of an
obvious comparison sitting inside all day scrolling on your phone
with the curtains closed, yep, or being out and about

(42:32):
with other people outside in the sun mentally mental health wise.
We know which one's better for us.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Right, absolutely, I've been there. I know those weekends where
I didn't step foot outside of the home and I
was on the PlayStation and scrolling and watching movies. And
that's an okay thing to do. But man, oh man,
did I feel sluggish after those two days of not
having any sun at all?

Speaker 2 (42:54):
And look, maybe this makes me a bad parent. It
could be. I'd love to hear from you and one
hundred and eighty ten eighty, But with my kids growing up,
I was always much more focused on them getting out
into the sun than worrying about the sunburn. Yep. I
was just way more focused on that. And look, one
of them came out quite brown, yep, and the other

(43:16):
one didn't, and so you know, it was a bit
more of an issue for the other one. But we've
taken them to get mole maps regularly, and that's important. Yeah,
But you know, is that the solution is the solution
to get out there and enjoy the sun and all
the benefits that come with that vitamin D that that
we hear about, and just get mole maps regularly.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
I think that is genuinely it.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
I mean, I think in twenty twenty five, it's very
dangerous to to hide from the sun.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
It is absolutely and for a lot of people, and
we'd love to hear from you, oh eight, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty if you've had a bit of
a melanoma scire Sometimes it is hard to pinpoint. It
might be people that have office jobs and are not
actually out in the sun that much who get targeted
by this sort of stuff. But that idea of a
mole check because just going through those figures again, one
hundred thousand New Zealanders diagnosed with skin cancer every year. Yeah,

(44:05):
five hundred die annually. So it is one of those things.
It's a scary, terrible thing if you are diagnosed with it,
but if you get it early enough, it is it
is very very curable or they can they can certainly
remove it and there's no lasting effects.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Oh yeah, I mean it's you know, obviously nobody wants
that situation if they can possibly help it. But it's
it's pretty good, you know, when you go through the numbers.
You know, if it's discovered stage stage one ninety eight
to ninety nine percent curable, stage two ninety to ninety five. Yep,

(44:40):
it doesn't get good when you get to stage three,
which is sixty five to eighty percent curable. But I
guess my point is, say vitamin D right, sunlight triggers
the skin to produce vitamin D which is crucial for bone, houth,
immune function, and muscle strength. Low vitamin D levels a
link to osteoporosis, depression, fatigue, and higher risk confections. Studies
show around thirty to fifty percent in New Zealanders may

(45:01):
have suffered vitamin D deficiency in the winter, especially the
South Island, elderly and people who spend a lot of
time inside sunlight exposure. But sarah tonin the brain chemical
link with mood and focus. And we've all heard about SAD,
which is a seasonal effective disorder, a type of depression
common in winter. So you know morning sunlight exposure particularly
helps with the circadian rhythms. Yes, how do we balance this?

Speaker 4 (45:24):
Where is the balance between getting that vitamin D and
sunshine which is clearly incredibly critical, And be mindful of
the old skin cancer as well? Is that a yearly
mold check of that you love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Look, I was horrifically sunburned just the other day.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
You're looking good. Actually, you got a good tan by
the way, Thank you. Yeah, looking good? It is twelve
past two.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
That's sunburn.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Your home of afternoon Talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty used talk ZA.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Be very good afternoon due fourteen past two. So we're
talking about skin cancer rates in New Zealand as a
study out. The lead author wants to have mandatory shade,
They want to ban sun beds, and they want to
bring out the ability to have more regular mold chicks.
I think on that final point that sounds like a
good balance because no doubt about it, we need the

(46:15):
sun and we need vitamin D to stay healthy and happy.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, and you want your kids and you want your everyone. Actually,
you want everyone out and about enjoying the en doing
nature and enjoying and getting some on the skin. This
Texas is get your ass out of bed early, a
couple of hours morning sun before you slip, slop slap.
I mean that's a good idea, isn't it. And you know,
I've listened to a bunch of podcasts. There's a fantastic

(46:38):
one from Huberman on this, and one of the best
possible things you can do for your health is to
get out of bed early when the sun's up before work,
and just have a ten to fifteen to twenty minute
walk in the daylight before before you do before you
go to work.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
It's great for sleep that day, isn't it. I heard that,
tried it, Yeah, and it makes a big difference.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, itreat It's great for your sleeping patterns. It's great
for waking you up. It wakes you up more than
sunlight on the top of your eyes, wakes you up
more than a coffee yep, because because that's what your
body's designed. You know, we used to sleep outside. You'd
get up, you have a walk around, you get the
sun on you straight away, and so that's the signals
to wake us up, you know, evolutionarily speaking. Yeah, so

(47:21):
it's you know, the sun's not evil and it's in
its own right. In fact, obviously we're evolved outside, we're
supposed to be in it.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Get Andrew Gooday, how are you going?

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Very good? So you've had regular mold checks, have you?

Speaker 13 (47:36):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (47:36):
I have.

Speaker 14 (47:36):
I've had three in the last eighteen months after I
got diagnosed with a very early melanoma. And I couldn't
speak highly enough of the actual skin checks themselves. And
the original one was actually a gift from my mother

(47:58):
should know what to get me for Christmas one year,
so she decided to get our whole family mole met.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Is that good, honor?

Speaker 4 (48:06):
Yeah, it's a great prezy.

Speaker 14 (48:07):
Y, Yeah, exactly. I couldn't speak highly enough of the process.
And you know what's better than the gift of life?
Basically could have saved my life with that one skin set.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
So Andrew, you got checked and they found some moles
that were problematic and did they remove them.

Speaker 14 (48:25):
Yes, they did. They sent them off a biopsy. And
what a lot of people don't realize is that once
they take the mole off, they actually have to take
a border around the mole as well. So your mom
might only be sort of one or two centimeters, but
they actually have to take a border right the way
around a small molt and actually en up with quite

(48:46):
a large scar. They're depending on the severity of the
melanoma as well.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
And is that done under local anesthetic? That nipping that
mole out in the area around it?

Speaker 14 (48:56):
Yes, yeah, yeah, all the way you're awake. Not the
most pleasant sort of feeling a small mole and yeah,
get almost like a finger worth a flesh taken out
sort of thing that, Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Andrew, once they've found one, do they sort of put
you on a list that you're more susceptible because of
course there's a genetic side to who's more susceptible to melanoma?
So once they found one, do they encourage you to
come in for regular checks?

Speaker 13 (49:27):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (49:27):
Yeah, yeah, so I'm on a six monthly check and
if there's anything suspicious, so I'll put you on possibly
a three monthly check, just on that specific mile.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
And in your life, Andrew, were you an outdoor type?

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (49:43):
Yeah, yeah, I'm a farmer. I'll work outdoors all year round,
like I love the sun, but obviously put the fun
rock and stuff like that on. But yeah, in my case,
it wasn't enough. And like you said earlier, there is
a genetic side to it. More surgeons said that there's
actually a genetic gene that people are exposed to. And yeah,

(50:04):
seems to be a lot more prevalent if you're exposed
to that.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah, well I'm good on you. Was your mother in
law that paid for all the mole mole maps?

Speaker 15 (50:14):
No?

Speaker 14 (50:14):
No, my mother?

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Your mother? Oh good on your mother, good mum. You've
got there, Andrew, and and please they found that one
for you and nipped it out. That's good news. Think
if you call Andrew the stick says, does it hurt
to have areas of shade available for the public. You
don't have to sit there. It does hurt because you
have to pay for them. So who pays? If your
mandatory shade areas, then that has to be paid for

(50:36):
by the taxpayer or rates. They're not just going to
be put up for free.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
I'd prefer that.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
So there is some hurt from it.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Yeah, there is. And if we're speaking about money, I'd
prefer that money to go into subsidized mole checks because
it can be if you go private or go to
one of those the mole maps or the mold chicks,
it can be incredibly expensive. But love to hear from you.
I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Where does the
balance lie between getting enough sun and being so smart
as well?

Speaker 2 (51:02):
I'd love to get sunburned in Queenstown. So far only
four days with no rain in September and so far
six days of rain October. Enjoy your nice day in Auckland.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
Sorry to hear about that. In Queenstown beautiful place, but
the sun will come back mate.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
To be fair, I got horrifically sunburned fig two weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
I'm not surprised by that. It is twenty past two.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk ZV.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
Very good afternoon to you. It's twenty two past twelve two.
Rather so there's been a call for more mandatory shade,
the banning of sun beds, and more regular mole checks
to combat our rise in those diagnosed with melanoma each year.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Checks are essential, but it's so expensive. One hundred and
eighty initial consultation at doctor, plus hundreds to remove special
clinics come same again, cost seven hundred dollars in all
to get their mole removed, and the same for my daughter.
There is there are free mole checks out there, so
Melanoma New Zealand, the good people at Melanoma New Zealand
they have free spot checks around the country. For example,

(52:08):
on you can go to Melanoma dot org dot in
ZID to find out where they are and their little
their little van free spot chicks. Melanova Education, Helensville. On
October the twenty second, at ten thirty am. They're in
Dunedin and the Meridian Mall at ten am on October
the twenty fourth. On no November the third, they're in

(52:30):
Friends Joseph.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
That's nice, nice, good place far Joe.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
They'd be a good, good little trip for Melano and
New Zealand. Th heading up to Franny see the glacier beautiful.
There's a rhyme about Frannie that I won't share. Free
spot chicks And they're in hok Teka on November the fourth.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
And p ha, Well they're up and down the carve,
get around, don't they.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
There must be more than one van this cant with
the same.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
Surely that's a that's a big trip in twenty four hours.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
So ten thirty am and Nova the first. So go
to you know, like if you want to get a
you know, if you're worried and you want to get
a free chick, then go to Melanoma dot org dot
in z. They might be able to help you out.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
That is a great Oh. E one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Bob welcome the shape.

Speaker 16 (53:10):
Yeah, hi guys, Yeah, I'm a little first flash about
you advocating these mull check the Allsworth more mapping. How
many people in New Zealand do you really think can
afford to do that? And you've just been on.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
About most I imagine people, Sorry, most probably, but unfortunately
some wouldn't be able to do which is unfortunate. But
most would be.

Speaker 16 (53:33):
Yeah, we can afford it.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Most, I would say, But unfortunately I get your point
that some can't.

Speaker 16 (53:40):
I would say most can't. You're talking four hundred dollars
for your first checker. Where are you coming from?

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Well, hang on a minute, Bob, you can, As I
was just saying before, there is a Melanoma dot org
dot in z that if you go there you can
find out where they are for free multics.

Speaker 16 (53:59):
Yeah, okay, so you jump in your car and drive
three or four hundred miles.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
No, No, you wait until you go to the site
and you look at the calendar, and then you find
out when they're in your area. They get all over
the country.

Speaker 16 (54:11):
Yeah. Well, you just advocating a few moments ago where
you were in some place and you got very badly bad.
Yeah you should be a bit smarter than that, shouldn't it.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:23):
No, but maybe I should be, But I didn't say
I was smart getting sun burnt. I said that I
got some bad.

Speaker 16 (54:29):
The thing you should be advocating is people get some
but a little bit often.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
You can. You can, you can advocate what you want.
I'll advocate what I want. Bob.

Speaker 16 (54:42):
Well, that's fair enough, but don't give that information looks ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
No, I might. I'll do that as well if I
feel like it. Bob. Thank you for your call.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
Thank you. I mean, it's a question on where the
balance is right, because it's critically important there all we're.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Asking the question off here on eight hundred and eighty
three eight hundred. That's Pizza always saying. Here is where
do we find the balance between the absolute benefits of
getting out into the sun and experiencing the nature and
sport and getting out there and getting that vitamin D

(55:17):
for our mental health and for our bones and all
those other things, fatigue and it helps with the risk
of infection, muscle strength, everything. How do we balance that
with the risks of melanober. That's what we're talking about.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
Oka and OK, Bob, I didn't think Bob, four hundred
dollars if you get one a year, I mean, like,
this is your health. You're talking about the number of
times that you'd go to a GP over the course
of a year, I imagine would be more than four
hundred bucks. And I get as a one off that
might be a bit of money, but if you save
over the course of a year, and again, this is
about your health. And the first time I did it,
that was a lot of money for me. But I

(55:50):
got it done and they said, you're all good, we'll
see you back in twelve months. Try and stay so smart.
I don't think that that's that controversial. But thank you
very much, David.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Yeah, hey, how you doing very well?

Speaker 15 (56:03):
Yeah, yeah, you guys are talking about.

Speaker 17 (56:07):
Yes exactly, Yeah, yeah, I just dived into the conversation
about ten minutes ago until I give you a ring,
a bit of a downus story really, but probably just
encourage your listeners to really get into.

Speaker 15 (56:22):
Those mole maps or if they see anything weird with
any moles, just to get them checked out by the
GP as soon as they can. The reason why I
say that is my GP picked up what they call
an ugly mole twelve months ago, and twelve months down
the track, almost to the day, I now have stage
four melanoma with the life expectancy of less than twelve months.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Oh man, I'm sorry, sorry to hear that. So talk
talk us through. You know how this all came about, David,
if you don't mind.

Speaker 15 (56:55):
Yeah, well, I've always had moles, as many of us do,
I guess. And look, I don't spend a lot of
time out in the sun, you know, doing the line
the lawns or whatever. In fact, a lot of the
time I wear jeans, so I'm not really a great
Sunday The day's touch and Fritz Moole was on my
knee on my thigh, sort of into my knee area,

(57:19):
and about a year ago I knocked it doing something
around the farm and it started to bleed for about
five days. A typical sort of bloke. You just put
a band note over it and forget it. And later
on in the year November did the same thing. And
then my wife gave me a bit of a bit
of a hurry up and see, go on to the

(57:40):
doctor and get that looked at. So I did that
just because of the wait list was the doctor took
a few.

Speaker 6 (57:47):
Weeks to get there.

Speaker 15 (57:49):
Got into her on the city first of December, and
she took one look of it and said, look, I
think that's going over. We better get it taken out.
So they worked as quickly as they can and I've
got nothing but credit for my local GP people for
a week in real quick. So they got me in
front of the right people and took it. That was

(58:09):
early February this year, I think the February, and it
came back as confirmed melanoma and at that stage stage three,
so that the cancer was clear and it had started
to sort of the spread. So they thought, well, I'll
send me along for a scan to see where it is.

(58:30):
And as a result of that scan they found it
in my limp, with my lymphatic system and the brain.
In the space of just a few months, that had
gone from a mole on my knee and now cancer
within my lomph nodes. But they did some more surgery
in March sort of the end of March this year,
poked around, dug out a few looph nodes, sent me

(58:53):
away for testing and confirmed yet again that you're definitely
staged three melanoma, which you guys have already quoted the numbers.
I think it's about eighty or ninety tenth survivals. Everything
was looking good, they thought sort of referred me on
to sort of other specialists and have looked into it.

(59:14):
And at that stage the government was looking at subsidding
some cancer treatment called the Truiter, which is one of
the sort of main go to drugs that up until
this year were costing US about one hundred brand a
year to pay for self fund that the government in
June then funded that through pharmac So I was really lucky.

(59:39):
I got into the the Truiter program in July August
this year, had a couple of rounds of treatments, and
my oncologists then sent me along to another scan just
to do a follow up see how things were going.
And that was about three weeks ago, and it's come
back that the count cancer is now through my spine

(01:00:02):
and possibly starting to get into the liver, although they're
not one hundred percent certain about that. Now plasified as
now I name the stage four insurable with the life
expectancy of about world made so from the time of
first noticing a mole that was bleeding, so essentially getting
a descent death sentence really really quick. It's a nasty

(01:00:26):
cancer and I just encourage anyone who's got any doubt
just to get onto it really quickly because it is
definitely life threatening and once it starts discreet, there's no control.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Wow. I mean, there's no words to really say that
we can say to you, David, except for you know,
heart goes out out to you and your family. Now
with with the situation is, have they said anything about
how long it was in a you know, I guess

(01:01:00):
for one a better word dangerous state that particular mole.

Speaker 15 (01:01:05):
It's it's really hard to say, you know, I'll say,
you know, when I got to my GP eventually, which
was at right at the end of last year, so
the model on my leg had sort of been bleeding
a couple of times, and it looked like I had
a lesion that was growing up through it. To be
fear guys, it wasn't big. It was only about four

(01:01:28):
miles in diameters, so it wasn't huge, and it hadn't
even gone through the skin layer. It's one point eight
miles deep, where normally they look at melanomas that are
sort of grown in depth as opposed to spreading across
the screen across the skin. So there's two types. One
goes across the skin and the other goes deep. It

(01:01:50):
goes into the skin mine was that they can formed.
There's a special name for it, nodula or something like that,
and normally it's not life until it gets to about
four mills stick, so it's starting to bust through the
skin layer and go into the fat layer of the musclins.
Forth minded hadn't even hadn't even gone that deep, and

(01:02:11):
yet it became life threatening very very quickly. They sort
of say that on the time it's identified to the
potential risks like we all do, we all do our
own research, they say about eight weeks and it can
become life threatening. And it's just really unfortunate the delays
that you get to get treatment, or to get into

(01:02:32):
your GP, or to get specialist treatment. You know that
that can mean the difference between life and death. But
really for me, certainly not looking for sympathy, but essentially
saying that you know, if in doubt, go and get
that mold, you know, don't get it seen to if
anything looks really unusual. You know, one of your cause

(01:02:55):
was raising the issue over cost. Well, people will make
their own decision on that, but you know, for the
cost of a few hundred bucks to go and get
mole and ugly mole, something that looks different kicked out,
I think, well ath while even to get the GP
to take a look at it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
You know, so you see, when you went to the GP,
they pretty quickly thought that this was an issue. So
you know, at the very basic you're saying, David, if
you're concerned about something, then your GP's probably got a
good chance of spotting if it's something bad and sending
you on to further further investigation.

Speaker 15 (01:03:33):
And obviously I can't speak for all gps, but skin
cancer in New Zealander at high risk because of our
lifestyle and the utensity of the sub our GPS are
pretty well versed and identifying these things pretty quickly. That
doesn't mean that they'll give you a confirmed diagnosis on it,
but they certainly know the things to look for. And

(01:03:54):
in my case, I was very very lucky that I've
got a you know, a GP that was onto it
and really didn't luck around, and she referred me to
to you know, one of their local practitioners as that
could do the initial surgery and remove the mold to
it to be confirmed what it was and the process.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Yeah, well, you know, yeah, well, thank you so much
for sharing your story mate, and and you know, best
wishes to you and your family, and I just I
think it's great and it really sort of shows that
stark balance that we've got to find in our country
about wanting to be out and be that very New

(01:04:39):
Zealand outdoor person and you know, and the risk that
comes with with with the sun for that, it's a
sort of complicated balance. But mate, thanks, thanks so much
forringing in. It's some very humbling to talk to you,
and thank you so much.

Speaker 15 (01:04:54):
Yeah, that's still look and great topics.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
Likewise, David, thank you very much. And I'm sure there
be a lot of people listening to David's story and
hopefully if they see something a bit untoward, go and
speak to your doctor. A great message from David. It
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Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Back to Matteeth and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Rayllan.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
We're having a discussion about where the balance lies between
getting vitamin C and dumb sun, which is incredibly important
for our vitamin D, Vitamin D, no doubt about it.
And then versus clearly we do have a high rate
of skin cancer and melanoma in this country. So it's
that balance there. Because sun is vital for us as
human beings, no doubt about it. Study after study would

(01:06:49):
show that those countries that have very little sun have
a far lower life expeciency.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
It's terrible for your mental health and vitamin D is
crucial for bone, houth, immune function, muscle strength. You know
low vitamin D levels which you get vitamin D from
having skin. You know, sun on your skin as linkedostriprocess depression, fatigue.
We all know that sitting in your room is bad
for you, and yet we hear those heartbreaking story from
David on the other side of it and how risky

(01:07:17):
the sun in New Zealand is, And especially interesting with
David because he wasn't really an outdoor sun guy. He
mowed the lawns and his jeans, he wasn't a sunbathing
type and it's still still got him. Yeah, this is text.
Here is a lesson to check self check before Yes,
got a schelf check. But yeah, this is the text

(01:07:37):
I want to read, David. I'm going to the GP
now to make an appointment, thank you. So that's the
thing that David was saying that your GP, if you
go to your GP, if you're worried about a mole
at all, you go to your GP, and they've got
a good chance of being I mean a very good
chance they know what they're looking for to go and
say does this need to be further?

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
Absolutely, and it sends you to a specialist.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
So that's not going to bankrupt you going to the GP,
you know, to get get a mole looked at, right,
and then if they're worried, then whatever money it costs
after that, then it's going to be worth it, right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
One hundred percent. It's just self awareness. Oh one hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call though, can
you get your thoughts on getting that balance right? And
how often you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Go for a check the sticks is that call blows
your no shade bullshit, No it doesn't at all. Text
it this really annoys me. So the idea that staying
that we need to be reasonably sensible potentially around the sun, right,
but then again you can be and that can still happen.
That then that the next step is that we have
mandatory shades that have to be paid for by the

(01:08:34):
taxpayers and public areas or rate payers. It's a huge,
huge step. I mean, first of all, you want to
educate people, right yep, that of the risks, and so
there is a balance. But every time we have these
you know, moralizing about this, and you have these kind
of faux moral hysterical outrages that are coming through on
the text machine because you're having a discussion about it

(01:08:56):
because something really tragic happened to someone. I mean, there's
there's got to be there's there's a balance, which is
the whole point of the conversation. But just I find
it frustrating that people are just one one way or
one hundred percent the other way.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
Yeah, there's a lot of nuance in this discussion. And again,
you know, if we want to talk about deaths and
relation to the sun, you can go the other other
side of the equation where in places like Iceland and
places like Norway at the top where they get very little,
so the life expectancy is a lot lower and their
mental health is considerably worse. The suicide rate and a
place like Iceland is terrible. So that is the other

(01:09:32):
side of the equation, and I know that's taken it
to extreme, but the point is there's nuance here in
that discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
If the hysteria that comes through, you would think that
the only option was to pull the curtains and sit
in your room in the dark, and that's bad for you.
That's really under the covers.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Don't do that. That's bad for your health't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
We live in a world where you have to get
out and do some stuff if you want to stay sane.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
We got plenty of calls coming through on people who
have got checked up, so that is coming back very shortly.
It is seventeen to three.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Some of these texts are coming through from under the
covers and bunkers deep below the earth, hiding from the sun.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Get outside, Mattie Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon
rolls on. Matt Heathen Taylor Adams. Afternoons used talks, they'd
be We're a.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
Good afternoon cheo. So we're talking about the balance between
getting enough sun and being so smart as well. There
has been calls for a few different policy changes to
be made, but do we really need it? Is it
just about education? And perhaps there's a lot of people
are coming through organizing a mold check. Are going to
see your doctor and having that conversation once a year,
only two.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Hundred and sixty dollars had a skin specialist. If someone's
charging you four hundred dollars, as the call is said,
they need to shop around. Good to know, and much
cheaper than that to go to your GP.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
Yeah for a lock yep. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
You know, if you see something that you're worried about,
then you know what's the same. Don't die of embarrassment.
A lot of people in New Zealand we don't want
to make a fuss, so when something happens, we gore
and it's probably nothing but the best possible results. You
go to the doctor. Go that's nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
Yeah, absolutely, you don't lose anything from that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Really, can you really be embarrassed in front of a
doctor the stuff they get up to? It was, that's
amazing that doctors are respected in our community with where
they're poking and looking.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
Oh, they see a lot of things, that's for sure. Glenn.
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 15 (01:11:22):
How's the game?

Speaker 16 (01:11:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:11:23):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Thanks for calling.

Speaker 12 (01:11:25):
Good good, No worries. Yeah, I agree with you on
your comment about having had sun shade net through frulls.
You know, I've got off headskin cancer remove this year,
and I work out doors and I've always been.

Speaker 6 (01:11:45):
Pretty careful yep.

Speaker 12 (01:11:47):
But I still spent a lot of time driving characters
for a contractor and it was my driving hand that
was on top of the steering wheel scar clmer.

Speaker 10 (01:11:55):
Lee.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Hey, this may sound like, this may sound like sorry
to interrupt you, Glenn, this may sound like a silly question,
but can you get I mean, I should know this.
Can you get burnt through a windscreen?

Speaker 16 (01:12:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Yeah, okay, thank you? Okay, so you continue on. Sorry.

Speaker 16 (01:12:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:12:13):
So I got a leasion that appeared around Christmas time
and it came up and I'm a convincing contractor in
my hands pretty stuff, and we go the doctor in
January and they referred it for They said, by there's
something going on. It was eighteen millimeters in diameter at

(01:12:35):
the end. We got turned down to get it removed
publicly because they had to be twenty millimeters in diameter.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
Oh right, okay, eighteen sounds pretty big.

Speaker 12 (01:12:45):
Yeah, So I got turned They tried to put me
into a clinic free do it. Well, it was big,
it got big at the end. Yeah, so it tried
to get me into a free clinic and they just
marked us around, wouldn't reply the doctor's surgery instead. I
went in there four times and the last time actually
went in there and just said, right, where do I go?

(01:13:06):
Who do I talk?

Speaker 6 (01:13:07):
Who do we talk to?

Speaker 12 (01:13:08):
So we got to skin spots in Towering, which is
two hours from where I live, and it cost.

Speaker 6 (01:13:14):
A few thousand dollars. I got it chopped off.

Speaker 12 (01:13:16):
I knocked the top of it off, putting a three
year old's bed on the door frame one night so
I could get a glove on and keep working, which
was quite handy but bloody. So yeah, they chopped it
off and then they put big cuts across the top
of my hand and screwed the skin around and reattached
it so I didn't need skin grafts, which was fantastic,
but it was zero point four of a millimeter from

(01:13:38):
the muscles. So they put me in for radiation. It's
been declined. We've just found out because I don't live
in Towering, so I lived two hours from Toweringer. My
next option is White Ado, which we lived two hours from.
So we've got to start the process again.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
Oh wow, that's that is guffing to hear Glenn.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
And have you got insurance assurances that that delay is
not going to be really bad?

Speaker 12 (01:14:10):
No, not at all. I lost my father twenty years
ago to do freak cancer and there was delay in
his treatment and they removed the voice box and then
the threat cancer came back. So there's no there's no
guarantees that delayed. I mean it was delay after delay
after the day I got quite pussy because I couldn't

(01:14:31):
actually wear a leaver glove when I was trying to
fence and work and knocking it. And it was until
I was putting the three year old to be in
one night. Makes you smashed the top of it off
from the doorframe, didn't drop, the kid, didn't swear, but
it bloody hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:14:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
So where do you sit now, Glen? As far as
moving things can forward? Like, what's what's your option?

Speaker 12 (01:14:55):
I gotta be a little bit careful on this one,
but I've actually changed my address to a retirement village
in Papa mar and we're going to resubmit through towering.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
It yea made. If it works, it works, you know,
what other options do you have?

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
You know? Okay, okay, good luck with that, Bernard, Bernard Warrington,
I hope you go.

Speaker 12 (01:15:14):
Well, yeah, awesome guy. If you get the choice of
the chance of getting skin spots checked or getting skin checks,
chaur hundred and sixty bucks is nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Well, just just to go back at the start of
the story and thank you so much for an angling.
That's it's great. But what what what first stood out
to you?

Speaker 12 (01:15:34):
I was a big lump right by my knuck, one
of my knuckles on my on my and what And.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
It's just just the size of it that made you worry.

Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
Yeah, well, I wouldn't go away.

Speaker 12 (01:15:43):
I'd been working in a lot of BlackBerry and I
had a few lesions on my hand and this one
stood out and I left it for a week or
two and I but there's something in it. And I
went to the doctors and they went, actually, no, that's
skin can. Sounds like, oh yeah, so, and you know
it's it's cheap to get it cheap. Chur undred and
sixty bucks is nothing. Come on, this has cost me thousands.

(01:16:04):
I was out of work. I'm suting to it. I
was out of work for twenty dates. You know, I've
actually been saying with a spunt on after twenty days.
I shouldn't have really been doing it because my hand
was still stitched together, but hey, you gotta do what
you're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Yeah, thanks so much for you called Glenn. Yeah, I
mean that further back to our called Bob before. I
think most people, if it's urgent enough, can can rustle
together two sixty cerfe health and then and then if not,
you know, go to your you go to your GP
and and and then help will be provided for you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
Yep, exactly right. Thank you very much for that call.
It is eight minutes to three, beg very shortly. You're
listening to Matt and Tyler Good Afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
Used talk z be it is five to three.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Hey, this is a text from Dave who were talking before,
who had the man alma stage three that moved up before.
I think the answer was simple. If you have had
skin cancer or are closely related to those who have,
avoid the sun and get your vitamin D from a pill.
I mean that that's that's a good point. You can
get vitamin D from your diet as well, but otherwise,

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getting ten to fifty minutes a day of son on arms,
hands and face, legs, legs is the way to go.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
Yeah, good, teachs. Thank you very much for that, Chris.

Speaker 18 (01:17:24):
Oh, good afternoon, after Dave. Thank you to David for
sharing and having the character to share his story.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
He was great, wasn't it. Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:17:34):
Thank you, David.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
I mean, I mean thank you for saying that. Actually,
thank you for thanking him because he you know, people
that are you know, brave enough and articulate enough to
share those kind of stories. Is It's just it's work,
as I said, kind of kind of humbling, it is.

Speaker 18 (01:17:50):
And education's key, like cigarette smoking, education on sun cancer
of he I've had multiple cancer, melanoma, basil cell soul.
I've just had one removed twice. And here I have
a crator in my arm. I just got the stitches out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Hey, this is going to sound really bad, but we've
got the We can't stop when the news comes, and
it's coming very soon. Can we hold you over the
news and talk to you in about seven minutes? Would
that be all right?

Speaker 8 (01:18:20):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (01:18:20):
Yes, it would be fine.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
You're amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Sorry about that. We just let the clock get away
from us. And this hand up the news comes with
we we want it or not. It's it's like a
steam train coming in.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
Absolutely my bad, but Chris just told there because we
really want to hear your story and we're going to
carry this on for a bit after three o'clock and
want to hear yours too. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty, But stand by, we're going to go back
to Chris and hear her story very shortly News Sport
and we're the fast approaching. Great to have your company.
As always, you're listening to Matt and Tyler. Hope you
having a great Monday afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Your new home are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Maddie
and Taylor Adams Afternoons on News Talk SEBBI.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
Very good afternoon, welcome back into the show. We are
packing up on the discussion we were having about the
advantages of getting your vitamin D getting that balance right
with obviously being soun smart or protecting yourself against melanoma.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Yeah, and we hear heart breaking stories about from the
likes of David who has stage four melanoma, and you
know that is incredibly tragic, but he wasn't a Sunday.
There he wasn't a person that was out in the
sun a whole lot along the lawns and his jeans.
Even so, there's very very real risks, But there's also

(01:19:39):
very very real risks of staying out of the sun
in terms of your mental health. Absolutely everyone knows how
great it is to be out and about with other
people doing activities sport, tramping, walking, just you know, the
the and the vitamin D that you get from that,
which is great for bone, houth, immune function, muscle strength,
you know, and fight fights depression. And there are there

(01:20:02):
are supplements you can take and dietary changes you can
have that that will get you vitamin D. But you know,
does that have the same mental health benefits as getting
out and about and doing stuff. Yeah, on the real
you wouldn't want to miss out on your whole life
trying to hide from from the sun. But also there
are very real dangers. There's any exposure to the sun

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can be risky and different people have different risks. And
just while we hear before we go back to Chris
who were talking before, and we rudely interrupted by the
news and are continually to interrupt by this talking right
now but the ABCD rule around melanoma signs asymmetry one
half doesn't match the other. Border irregularities, ragged or blurred edges,

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color uneven, color with different shades, diameter larger than six
millimeters or the size of a pencil eraser, and evolving
changing in size, shape or color. And the other thing
is the ugly duckling a new mold that looks very
different from the others. So yes, a b CD asymmetry, border, color,
diameter and evolving.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
Great advice, now, Chris.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Thank you so much for sticking ground, and once again's
apologies for cutting your chat in half.

Speaker 18 (01:21:14):
That's quite all right. I'm just saying. I was just
saying that education is key, and I am on both
sides of the spectrum when it comes to not getting
enough vitamin D. And heaven been unfortunate to have multiple
skin cancers but only one round of melanoma or they

(01:21:36):
had to go in twice. But it wasn't. It was
a superficial spreading melanoma caught early because I was vigilant
and noticed the change in the border on a mole
that had been there for a long time, but it
was flat that was on my ankle, where I had
had quite a bit of sun. I had similar looking

(01:21:59):
moles another couple that I keep an eye on because
they changed. What I noticed first was the border changed
was asymmetrical, which is uneven borders, and I noticed it changed,
and so I pointed it out to my GP, and
he said, we'll keep an eye on it. And then
one day he said we'll get rid of it. And

(01:22:20):
it came back as melanoma. And he said he didn't
get it all, so I had to go back, which
is what's just happened on my arm just in the
last few months. It had been liquid nitrogen. With liquid
nitrogen a few years ago. I've do that before, it
was quite healed, and so he did it again, probably

(01:22:42):
in the last within the last six months, and it
didn't heal properly, at least bluidy brown stuff. So he
cut it out and he didn't get it all, and
it comes back as a basil cel castinoma. And he's
just gone back and got more out and now I
have a dint in my arm, which was a small
price to pay, but he said he got it all.

(01:23:04):
But I've had multiple ones on my face in the
last few years. Basil sol and solar heratosis is another one.
And I had a huge one on my legs before
Christmas and over Christmas that almost ulcerated. That was a
solar heratosis. So I'm learning myself about all these.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
You must have known quite a bit beforehand, though, because
you you know, you were you had educated yourself to
know what to look out for with that asymmetry.

Speaker 18 (01:23:35):
Well only because I'm I was a child. I was
white blonde, and my parents were both from places that
didn't get a huge amount of sun, like my dad
was at the top of Southern Ireland and my mother
was English. We were we did. Mum did rub sun
cream on us as children, but my damage was probably

(01:23:57):
done as a teenager out with my friends getting severely
burnt and blistered. Also, on the radio would come sun
tan turnover time. Back in seventeen people.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Were using baby what was it?

Speaker 19 (01:24:12):
What was it?

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Baby oil to coconut oil.

Speaker 18 (01:24:16):
I remember having to go to bed very ill.

Speaker 13 (01:24:21):
And blistered.

Speaker 18 (01:24:22):
Now that educates us not to do it again. But
it was a time of life, a little bit like
smoking or teenagers not vigilant and you're with all your
friends on a hot day.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
People were just cooking themselves like sausages, covering themselves and
basically oil swizzling themselves.

Speaker 18 (01:24:40):
So when I had the one on my face a
couple of years ago, the doctor said, I hate to
tell you this, Once you get one on your face,
usually get about ten. And that's true. I've had surgeries
on the nose.

Speaker 15 (01:24:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:24:52):
I thought it was a bit like join the dots
at one stage.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
So do you think do you think that there are people?
Because it was interesting talking the day before who had
never been a sun bather or hadn't really been a
beach beach kind of you know, run around kind of guy.
He thought, you know, the most time he spent the
same was among the lawns, and you know he was
wearing jeans at the time. So there clearly is a
genetic side to this that some people are just and

(01:25:17):
it sounds like you are just more susceptible to me.

Speaker 18 (01:25:22):
But in saying that, I'd like to point out the
other end of the spectrum. For me, I've been on
vitamin D tablets for many, many years, even though obviously
I've been out in the sun, haven't I to get
all those? And I have full and osteoporosis. They're waiting
on a bone infusion at the moment or there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
You've got a few things to worry about, haven't you, Chris, Well.

Speaker 18 (01:25:46):
I've got a lot more than I've had teen broken bones,
and just Drake ristic. Yes, So it's a real balance.
I'm not looking for sympathies or anything, but it's a
real balance. I'm quite interested in the children of today
about how much sun they should get, balance being out.
I still believe regardless of all that, even myself, I'm

(01:26:10):
I'm careful about how much sun I get, but I
still think I need a little for mental well being
and for that good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
This is what the conversation that we wanted to have, Chris.
And it's interesting talking to you whose experience that the
the other side of it, the you know, the the
damaging side of the sun and quite stark reality. But
with all the people that are texting through and hysteria
and anger and saying that we shouldn't even suggest the
value of the sun. But really, what you'll call sort

(01:26:42):
of highlights is that that balance that we've got to
find because because not getting any sun is really really bad,
and too much sun can be really really bad. So
we've got to we've got to work out what the
what the right balances.

Speaker 18 (01:26:54):
I really believe I should keep myself protected from here
on in as much as I can. But for people,
young ones, they need a little bit because you can
get such from what was that thing you used to
get was it ricketts or something like that?

Speaker 20 (01:27:08):
Enough?

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Yeah, with the vitamin d's you know, and although you
know you've had some troubles here, but the vitamin D is.
Low vitamin D levels a link to osteoporosis and general
bone strength and muscle strength, bone house immune function.

Speaker 18 (01:27:26):
Saying, were the moles spot chicks where? Because I've been
googling that and trying to get myself some molemets or
spot chicks free because I'm not working, and you pointed
out where some of them are. I've been trying to
find out.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
So yeah, well there's there's melanoma dot org dot in Z.
They've got their van going around. But I would stress
if you've got something that you've spotted that you're worried about,
you probably don't want to wait to the vans in
your area. No, yeah, you probably want to try and
go along to a GP as soon as possible.

Speaker 18 (01:27:57):
But I don't think putting a lot of money into
shaded areas is the answer. I think it's the education.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with you, Chris. I mean
that's how this sort of started, where you know, people
advocating for compulsory sunshades to be put up on a
bunch of places, public spaces and such. But you're never
going to be able to shade the whole world not
I mean everyone can go out in their backyard or
walk down the street or go to the beach. I

(01:28:24):
mean you're going to You're gonna puna put a sunshade
overywhere and this you and this, you have sensible discussions
about the risks and rewards of the sun. Then you're
never really going to end up saving anyone, are you.

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
And we love her outdoors and as you said before,
you know, if you're doing things like tramping or on
your boat, the mental health side of things, but also
that physical side of things as well, you've got to
get you know, that's what we love in this country,
getting outside and getting tramping or going for a high
care whatever it may be. That cost benefit analysis of
having the physical attributes of that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
The sexer says, I don't have skin cancel. I've had anything,
but I've got osteoporosis and my doctor has advised that
everyone should be taking vitamin D three throughout the winter
because you don't get an.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Interesting Yeah, okay, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
number to call coming up after the break. We had
a call from Terry. Can we actually mention who Terry is, Andrew?
I think we can. Terry Collins, who actually does some
work for the AA, but he has been a long
time mole map supporter, so we're going to have a
chat to him very shortly. He called before and he

(01:29:29):
was keen for a chat. So we'll get a hold
of Terry and he is coming up next. It is
seventeen past three.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
The news talks'd be.

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
Very good afternoon chew. So Terry Collins from the AA,
he's been a principal advisor with them for some time.
He did ring back last hour and he was very
keen for a chat. He's had a lot of moles
removed and being very involved in that side of things.
But unfortunately he's a busy man, so he's doing some
he's gone back to do some work for the AA.
But he did mention that the AA does have some

(01:29:58):
discounted offers if you want to go get a mole check,
so you can go check that out on the AA website.
But great discussion, thinking everybody who called in text on
the benefits of vitamin D.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Yeah, so yeah, at the start of the conversation we said,
we need to find a balance between the risks of
the sun and the benefits of the sun. And of course,
like everything, like absolutely everything except for the opinions of
certain people on the text machine, there's nuance and there's balance.
And so you can't live an absolute fear of the

(01:30:31):
sun to the point that you are locking yourself away
or completely completely depriving your skin of any kind of sun. Equally,
you have to be very aware of the risks and
you know, if you've got any concerns at all about it,
but a mole in your skin, then go and see

(01:30:51):
your GP. And if you can afford a mole map,
get a mole map. And as we're saying before, look
up the ABCD of mole checking asymmetry, border, color, diameter
and evolving. Because the risks of the sun are very high,
but the rewards of the sun are very high as well.

Speaker 4 (01:31:07):
Nicely said and thank you very much to everyone who
joined in on that discussion. Right, let's get into.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
Even the death threats for even suggesting that I enjoy
a bit of sun and I got a sunburn in Fiji,
even those texts.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
Even Bob who came in pretty hot, no pun intended.
But but Bob, you don't have to be that anger
on a Monday. It's just it's just it's just a
general discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
I still love you, Bob.

Speaker 4 (01:31:30):
Yeah, we still love you. Mate, You're a good man. Right,
let's get into this one. This is going to be
a good discussion. Breakfast. How important it is the first
meal of the day turns out, according to a new study,
incredibly important. Skipping your first meal of the day could
more than double your risk of dying from heart disease.
It goes further than that, every hour extra hour you
delay breakfast is associated with a ten percent higher risk

(01:31:52):
of death over the next decade.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
The breakfast has got to be the most controversial meal. Yeah,
breakfast has been talked about, no breakfast, sun breakfast, lot,
big breakfast, small breakfast, doing your exercise before breakfast, after breakfast,
all these kind of things people have been talking about.
Breakfast for long as time, breaking of the fast. Yes,
it is interesting because you know, historically speaking, you know,

(01:32:14):
when you when you read old texts, breakfast wasn't really
a thing for the longest time. You just sort of
had the first meal of the day when you when
you could, you know. Okay, that's why it's called breaking fast,
when you break your fast from not eating overnight.

Speaker 13 (01:32:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
But then it got commercialized with cereals and sugary cereals,
and then you know, bacon was a was a marketing campaign.
You know, they were looking about how they could sell bacon,
so they came out. It was actually Freud's nephew, Thesot
psychiatrists came up with the idea of associating bacon with breakfast.
But because a lot of other meats had different types
of the day when people eat them, so they started

(01:32:52):
a whole marketing campaign. Now we think bacon is a
breakfast food. Anyway, a lot of marketing around it, a
lot of talk about it. I have tried not having breakfast,
you know, I bought into the intimate, intimate fasting. But
now i think I've got the perfect breakfast. Okay, that's
keeping me energized. It's and it's in keeping me false.

(01:33:14):
I'm not turning into a psychopathic eating machine because I'm
so hungry and it's quite a hearty breakfast, and I'm
also losing weight.

Speaker 4 (01:33:22):
This is going to be good. Okay, you're going to
share that after we play some messages.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
Taylor says, what about second breakfast? Yes, the Lord of
the Rings fans always come through.

Speaker 7 (01:33:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:32):
Love Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. How
is it for you? Because, as Matt said, there's been
a lot of confusion over whether you should have breakfast,
whether you shouldn't. Have you found the perfect breakfast for yourself,
or does it work for you not having breakfast? There's
still a lot of people out there that don't eat
until midday and they love talking about that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
Are you like what I used to be, which is
an anti breakfast activist?

Speaker 4 (01:33:53):
Yeah, come on through. It is twenty four past three.
Beg very surely.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Did the Teachers Union bring up breakfast with Eric Stanford?

Speaker 4 (01:34:01):
Than that meeting would have been way better than Palestine.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
Ethan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (01:34:14):
Very good afternoons. She is twenty six past three, Texas.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Is every time you clowns take the piss out of
people for their opinions, the closer your family gets to
being a target. I hope you realize someone's just posted
your address. It's on Facebook.

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
Wow, geez, that's sinister.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
That's a psychopathic text, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:31):
That is really sinister.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
Every time you clowns to take the piss out of people,
you and their opinions, the closer your family gets to
being targeted. You are a psychotexter.

Speaker 4 (01:34:40):
It's pretty unhinged.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
You are You are a Okay, I'm going to take
the purse out of your opinion. You are a clown.

Speaker 4 (01:34:46):
Yeah, that is that is very unhanded.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
So for having a discussion on the radio, you're saying
that families should be targeted. Yeah, are you You're a
mad person?

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
That is crazy talk. Yeah, that is very unhinged.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
Jesus right, grow up.

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
Yeah, man, the state of I don't even know what
to say to someone like that. That's just unhinged. I
don't think you can you know, I can't comprehend what
goes through someone's mind like that. It's just crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
I love the judgment that comes from a person like that,
So they're what you're you're judging anyway, doesn't matter anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
Yeah, I'm certainly not going to thank that person for
that text. Usually I work, but not not that one.
That's crazy town. All right. We are talking about breakfast
and how important it is, according to a new UK study,
incredibly important when it comes to your cardiovascular health. They reckon,
if you don't have bricky, then you've got two times
a higher risk of having some sort of cardiovascular issues

(01:35:44):
during your lifetime. That's that's big.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Yeah. So this, this is this chat here in this
investigation and the study of three thousand UK adults reckons
that they've come up with the perfect breakfast. Right, Yeah,
I think I've come up with a perfect breakfast, So
be interesting. I haven't read this on purpose because I
want to compare what I've come up with, my perfect
breakfast that that's working for me over the last month,

(01:36:07):
and what they've come up with.

Speaker 4 (01:36:08):
Okay, shall we do that now? Or now we'll take
a call and then we're going to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Now we'll go to K. First, welcome to show K.

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
Hello, how are you very good? And what are you
reckon about having breakfast? Is it important.

Speaker 6 (01:36:22):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 19 (01:36:23):
I've been through a hell of a journey with food
and having at eating disorder and needs all these sorts
of things. So I've had to relearn about food quite particularly,
and I'm glad I got through all of that before
I had my own kid's side and flipped off the
diet culture stuff onto them. But so basically I got

(01:36:45):
to a point where I realized, you know, your body naturally,
and people will be up in arms about what I'm
about to stay, but your body naturally is interested as
interested as hungry every three or so hours. So maybe
are quite as an adult. And this is what I've
learned through dietisis and you know, various specialists and food.

(01:37:11):
And my brother he got quite sick of being what
he considered overweight, but he considered it being over thirty
and so he started maybe two or three years ago,
started fasting like all through the day, and he got
still a point when he was at gets hungry through day,
and so he then then became an everything for him,

(01:37:33):
and so he was only having like one mere day
at the end of the day. And then about stemths
ago he was the regularly check up and he turned
out he's got quite high cholesterol and he's only thirty six, right,
and yeah, and so that I sort of compared that
for the study that you've just mentioned as cardiovascular disease

(01:37:56):
brought a shoe by cardiovascular events has increases because after
a bit of more discussions with who he was seeing,
which ended up being still with food, said that, you know,
we sort of figured out that he's only getting one
meal a day, and you don't have enough time to
get good cholesterol, did good cholesterol and bad cholesterol. You

(01:38:19):
don't have enough time to get in good and bad
cholesterol and one meal. And so unless that meal is
just packed full of only the healthiest satans, which then
an ideal world would always that way, and then you're not.
You don't have enough time, you don't have enough meals
in the day to consume the healthy nutrients and LDL

(01:38:42):
and HGL that you need to look after your heart.
There's there's no way. And my last comment would be
that what was interesting is that various doctors that he
mentioned two that he was fasting all day, said, oh,
that's nothing wrong with that, because the body it is

(01:39:03):
a new phenomenon that he every two to three hours.
But then basically what happened now he's got high cholest
at thirty six years old.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Yeah, it's interesting, isn't Because there's no way that we
were eating you know, in the in you know, pre prehistory.
I guess you'd describe it pre civilization. There's no way
we were eating three meals a day with snacks in
the middle. Absolutely no way that we're evolved to do that.

Speaker 8 (01:39:28):
Yees.

Speaker 19 (01:39:28):
But also regular day the life expectancy of humans was
a lot there.

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
Yeah, you know so well, and we're.

Speaker 19 (01:39:38):
A lot more battle with there's different types of food.
We don't just have straight natural fishes anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:39:45):
Yeah, I mean it can be for one of the
big well, I don't get confused by it. But there's
so much different data about intimittent fasting and what is
the right, whether it's the eight sixteen or whether it's
having a two day fast for whatever it may be.
And it sounds like some people get really good results,
but then there's people like your brother, And unfortunately for him,
he came back with high cholesterol. So I take it

(01:40:06):
he's he's stopped the fasting.

Speaker 19 (01:40:07):
Now reluctantly, and it's a bit of it's not an
easy thing to do when you've been doing it for
so long, so you can't just start eating breakfast all
of a sudden because he feels breakfast, which is normal
because it's coming bother than me until tea time.

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:40:26):
But I think also with intimate it's admitted fast get fasting.
I think it's good. If you're not doing it every
single day for two to three years, doing a couple
of days a week, it's probably good. And as long
as the meals that you are having are balanced and healthy,

(01:40:46):
then it'll probably be fine because you'll be able to
consume what you need to get the right nutrients. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:53):
Yeah, nicely said K. Thank you very much, thanks for
giving us a buzz. Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
I had that doctor Michael Morley RP. He was a
very lovely man who was the big practitioner of intimate
it fasting. Had on my radio show previous radio show
for this. He's very convincing what he said about it.
And I tried it for a long time and then
I don't know it just in the end, it just
made me so obsessed with food that out the other

(01:41:21):
side of it, it became a problem. Yeah, some people
get into them to mint it fasting and then it
just changes there, you know, when they expect food, they
and they find it easy. Yeah, and you know, but
it didn't work. It doesn't work for me.

Speaker 4 (01:41:34):
I under it. Yeah, horses for courses, like a lot
of these things. But keen to get your thoughts. I
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty breakfast. Are you
one of those people that just doesn't eat breakfast? And
is it working for you? Or have you decided your
life was was just not working out without Bricky, so
you've gone back and what is the perfect breakfast?

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Yeah, well this person says, go on the seafood diet,
eat when you see food. And look, that's a good joke.

Speaker 4 (01:41:58):
That is a good joke.

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
And it was a joke I was going to make
the other day about something but I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:42:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're you're the bigger man at
the time then, But that was a good joke.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
A text have a South Indian breakfast? What I'd like
to know what a South Indian breakfast is?

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
Yeah, please take more context.

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
It's very interesting what breakfasts are around the world. You know,
in Japan, the breakfast is very different in some parts
of the world. Breakfast doesn't look that different from the
other meals.

Speaker 4 (01:42:21):
Yeah, yeah, oh right under it. Eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. What is the perfect breakfast? If
you eat it? It all love to hear from you.
Headlines with Raylene coming up. Then we've taken more of
your calls. It is twenty five to four.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
Yeah, and I'm going to share my ultimate breakfast. Do
you just say that?

Speaker 4 (01:42:36):
No, I didn't, but that's exciting. I'm looking forward to that.
That's coming up.

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Speaker 4 (01:43:54):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we're talking about the
importance of breakfast. Has been confusing for a long time.
You should have breakfast, you shouldn't have breakfast, But now
recent study says it's incredibly important. If you don't have breakfast,
it can more than double your risk of cardiop skillar disease.
And for every extra extra hour you delay breakfast rather
that is associated with a timbercent higher risk of death

(01:44:14):
over the next decade.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
We're just investigating the South Indian breakfast because text has
said that's the ultimate breakfast. This topic is always going
to be divisive seas. Bridget, look at the success of
Keto and Carnivore. It's not necessarily if breakfast is good
or bad. It's what you're having for breakfast. Cheers Bridget. Yeah, okay,
so we're ready to hear my breakfast. Let's do it
and we're okay. Here we go, right. So for a start,

(01:44:39):
there's two fish oil tablets fish oil one.

Speaker 4 (01:44:42):
Thousand yep, amega three yep cool.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Then all brand original cowlogs forty five grams.

Speaker 4 (01:44:48):
Nice exactly forty five grams yep. Then protein plus light
milk eighty five mills five mis. My breakfast I've worked
down to a fine art.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
Then amazing prunes sun sweet, twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
Grams nice prunes are good? How much twenty grams.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
Twenty grams are there? Yeah, this is the breakfast that
I've I've worked out scientifically for myself.

Speaker 4 (01:45:07):
Then a key we nice.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
That's sixty nine grams of Kiwi fruit or one key fruit,
two pieces of original mixed grain vogels, toast bit of vogels,
two slices, and tuna chunks and spring water are thirty
five grams.

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
Of that tuna chunks and bring water.

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
That's seven hundred and two calories for breakfast for me
at carbs, there's one hundred and four grams of carbs
in there, seven point six grams of fat yeap, and
thirty eight point nine grams of protein in my perfect
breakfast that I'm having every day, just repeating that rinse
and repereat.

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
That is uber specific and down to a fine science.
That right. So let's have a look with what the
experts say is the perfect breakfast. And I've got all
the details here as much as possible. So they say
between twenty to thirty grams of protein.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Yep, I'm thirty eight grams of protein in mind.

Speaker 4 (01:46:01):
Yeah, so you go in a little bit higher on
the protein side of things. But let's carry on. They
reckon eight to ten grams of fiber. You're getting that
in you're Kiwi Easy easy on the fiber, whole grain
carbohydrate low and added sugar such as oats or whole
meal bread. So you've got the oil brand yep, that's
your whole meal, and then you've got your vogels yep.

(01:46:23):
So you're taking that one healthy fats, a small portion
of nuts, seeds, and olive oil. So what do we
got there? Oh, your fish oil Yeah, so that comes
in through the healthy oil and at least one piece
of fruit or vege aim for a variety of colors.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
Well, there you go. Look so according to this Yeah,
so I reckon, I'm in the ballpark of this. You know,
this current study that has found something out which, as
we all know, will be completely thrown out. I mean
just just look at the chat on eggs that's been
over the over previous years. Yeah, and maybe we'll try

(01:47:00):
and find it. But there was there was a great
I guess called meme that was going around No it's
not a meme, as a little video meme video that
was going around on social media recently, and it was
a Nutrition from the Future Nutrition Us from the future. Yeah,
flying back and about eggs, you know, knocking eggs out
of people's hands there, keep back there. It was brilliant
trying and play that.

Speaker 4 (01:47:21):
Yeah, let's go to Sean in the meantime, though.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
Samsu sounds like you've got too much time in the morning,
made it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
Yeah, I agree, Well we're not.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
We're not on it till twelve. Yeah, we got time
and welcome to the show.

Speaker 21 (01:47:35):
The Very Hard Way. Never go anywhere without a breakfast.
Eighty years ago. They got up at five o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
Do you go on?

Speaker 21 (01:47:45):
Most of the sheep for shearing got the horse didn't
feel hungry, so I didn't bother with breakfast. But when
we got out the back of a three hundred acre farm,
we had to get them using lambs across a creek
and they wouldn't go. We just abut had to push
every one of them across by hand. And it wasn't

(01:48:06):
until I got back to the shearing shed about three
o'clock in the afternoon that I've got a first drink
or anything to eat. Never, ever since that day have
I gone anywhere without having breakfast first, no matter what
the situation.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
And Sean, did you say that was eighty years ago?

Speaker 21 (01:48:24):
Eighty years ago? I'm ninety one.

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
Now, wow, I mean the benefits of having brick you will.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
That's eighty years of breakfast for you and never, never,
never skipped the breakfast in all that time.

Speaker 21 (01:48:36):
No wow, because she literally you honestly do not know
when you're going to get on this spite. Yep, you do,
but you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Yeah, So that is that's that's breakfast. So you've got
fuel in the tank for emergencies. Basically, Sean pretty much. Yeah,
I mean, I mean that's.

Speaker 21 (01:48:55):
When you can you can carry on all day without
having lunch if you have to. It's just that that
breakfast is absolutely essential. First thing.

Speaker 4 (01:49:08):
It sounds like hard graft was pretty essential for your
longevity as well, Shawn. I mean that that is some
hard work early in the morning and it did not stop.

Speaker 21 (01:49:18):
I've had a pretty varied life one way and another.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
Yeah, you sound very very healthy and powerful of voice
for someone in their nineties, Sean.

Speaker 21 (01:49:35):
Now putting a charged outrate of sixteen hours driving attracted.
That's my longest day and it lasted from five o'clock
in the morning until I got home about half pastay
at nine o'clock at night. It was cutting hay. We

(01:49:55):
used to do that for conflicting and I used to
cut roughly sixty thousand bars and hay every year.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
What is your breakfast? What breakfast do you have, Sean?
Can you describe that breakfast that you have two week picks?

Speaker 21 (01:50:11):
Yep, A piece of bread with marmalade on it, but marmalade.

Speaker 4 (01:50:16):
Nice and a cup of tea. Is that has that
changed through the year, Sean? Or that's been You're tried
and true.

Speaker 21 (01:50:23):
Oh, that's pretty much been it for as long as
I can remember.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
You never go through the eggs, no, not.

Speaker 21 (01:50:30):
A not a cook breakfast and that's just once or
twice if you go out somewhere or go yeah somebody
cooked for you. Well that's rude not.

Speaker 18 (01:50:40):
To eat that.

Speaker 21 (01:50:41):
But yeah, it doesn't it doesn't excite me.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for you call Sean.
It's a strong endorsement for breakfast eighty years. Yeah, since that,
since that incident with the with the sheep. Yeah, that's
quite something. And you know, if you can sound as
healthy as Sean does when when when you're ninety one,
then then good for you.

Speaker 4 (01:51:00):
Very sprightly Sean. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Plenty of teas coming through
A nine to nine two.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
We've got that audio about the egg nutrition from the future.
Shall be listening to that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:13):
We'll play it next. We'll play some messages and that
is coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
All right, Okay, have a chat with the lads on eight.

Speaker 1 (01:51:21):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk said, be.

Speaker 4 (01:51:25):
There's twelve to four.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
So we're talking about a new study that says you
absolutely should have breakfast and the protein and carb and
such levels that you should have in it. But you know,
anytime you're talking about nutrition or a new study on
what you should eat, you've got a beer in mind.
How often these things have changed over the years, and
how you've been told absolutely something absolutely and then they've
flipped it over. And so I just thought we'd share

(01:51:47):
this little bit of audio. It's a comedy skit that's
going around on social media. It's it's about a minute
twenty Okay, so just beer with us. But I think
there's some deeper meaning in this.

Speaker 4 (01:51:58):
Wait, stop, don't eat that food.

Speaker 9 (01:52:02):
Who are you?

Speaker 4 (01:52:02):
What are you doing in our house?

Speaker 22 (01:52:04):
I'm from the future when you're to warn you don't
eat that food? Why not the eggs?

Speaker 4 (01:52:09):
They're full of cholesterol?

Speaker 22 (01:52:12):
What eatn't even just one egg can dramatically increase your
chance of heart attack.

Speaker 4 (01:52:17):
Don't eat eggs only. Thank you, You're welcome, godspeed.

Speaker 11 (01:52:27):
Well, I guess I better take those eggs.

Speaker 4 (01:52:30):
What spot you're bad?

Speaker 22 (01:52:33):
Yeah, we were wrong about the eggs. Hell, it turns
out there's two types of cholesterol. There's good cholesterol and
bad cholesterol, and eggs actually have both.

Speaker 4 (01:52:43):
So You can eat eggs, but just don't eat the
egg yolks, so.

Speaker 22 (01:52:47):
Stick with the egg whites.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
Thank yes, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:52:50):
God speed. Why we were wrong about the eggs again?

Speaker 22 (01:52:58):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So it turns out that the amount
of cholesterol in a food doesn't actually affect how much
cholesterol ends up in your blood. The eggs are probably fine.
In fact, we sort of don't even know what cholesterol is.

Speaker 4 (01:53:13):
But the steak, you can't eat the steak.

Speaker 22 (01:53:17):
What we were wrong about the steak?

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
It's the toast.

Speaker 4 (01:53:23):
Man was not meant to eat bread.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
What do you mean?

Speaker 6 (01:53:25):
Man was not meant to eat bread?

Speaker 4 (01:53:29):
Burns out? It's genetic.

Speaker 22 (01:53:32):
Doesn't matter whether you exercise or what she eat. Sorry,
I ruined your meal.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
That's so good, So clever, John says macas big bricky
burger combo three to four times a week with a
hot chocolate drink. Best ever sixty years, sixty six years,
still alive and healthy. That's John, from the.

Speaker 4 (01:53:52):
Love of Joel, and give him a taste. We'll quickly
sneak Wendy in here. Wendy, what do you have for breakfast?

Speaker 20 (01:53:59):
I like porridge?

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
Ah, porridge is great, isn't it? Are you having that
with the brown sugar or are you just having a raw?

Speaker 20 (01:54:05):
I have porridge or my porridge with milk, I use
honey and yogurt or see that sometimes cream.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
That's see that sounds like you're getting fiber in there
for you and you're getting you're getting the carbs for
your energy you're getting and you're getting some protein with
the milk. Surely, surely that's a great breakfast.

Speaker 20 (01:54:24):
Well it suits me fine and I can cope with it.
It's about that breakfast takes me to apout right through
till about four o'clock.

Speaker 4 (01:54:32):
Wow. Yeah, it's a good run on porridge, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
In fact, there's a lot of people texting through talking
about porridge and do you know it, strangely, my fifteen
year old son suddenly started making porridge in the morning
off his own volition.

Speaker 4 (01:54:45):
Love it, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
It is so unfashionable that it's come back in defection.

Speaker 4 (01:54:50):
I love it that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
Apparently it's all over social media. Get into the porridge.

Speaker 4 (01:54:52):
It is eight minutes to four back in a moment.

Speaker 5 (01:54:55):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons used talks.

Speaker 4 (01:55:03):
That'd be very good. Afternoon five to four now, just
before can we wrap up for the day. Quite a
few takes to this regard. Can you please repeat Matt's
breakfast and what time does he typically eat?

Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
Great question, Coller.

Speaker 4 (01:55:17):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
Yep, So I think I probably eat at seven thirty
am in the morning, typically after I've gone for a
little bit of a wander with the dog. In this
uber breakfast that I put together, not an uber breakfast,
I'm making it at home.

Speaker 4 (01:55:31):
It's a large breakfast as well.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
No, I'm can say it's a carefully constructed breakfast. So
I'm having the fisher Well one thousand, how threes capsules,
two of those all brand original callogs forty five grams
weighed protein plus light milk from anchor eighty five mills
that I measure out in a little thing, amazing prunes
from suns sweet twenty grams. I'm having two Kiwi fruit.

(01:55:56):
I'm having two pieces of original mixed grain vogels toast,
and I'm having thirty five grands of tuna chunks and
spring water. And if I'm feeling risque, I'll microwave up
in the egg and that as well.

Speaker 4 (01:56:09):
That's a lot of trial and error to get to
that point. That is down to a fine science.

Speaker 2 (01:56:12):
But as someone points out in the text, that's that's
not the breakfast for someone that's in a hurry.

Speaker 4 (01:56:17):
Yeah, yeah, that takes some time. You've really got that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:20):
I have to have a little bit of time. But
you know, experts are saying that breakfast design again. Previously
experts were saying no breakfast. I think you've just got
to You've got to plot your own cauth in life,
don't you.

Speaker 4 (01:56:31):
Yeah, nicely said right, that is us.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
All right, thank you so much for listening to Everyone
loved our chats today over the last four hours or
three hours for some. It's been a good old time.
Podcast will be out very soon. But right now, Tyler,
why am I playing this song?

Speaker 4 (01:56:49):
Oh, a great tune from Weezer Islands in the Sun,
because we had a great chat about the benefits of
vitamin D as long as you careful, no an ad
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:57):
Yeah that's right, check those moles if they start to
go weird. But a bit of sun is bloody good
for you. This is a fantastic song. So until tomorrow afternoon,
give them to keep you from us and Thank you
so much for tuning in to meetin Tyler afternoons on zb.

Speaker 1 (01:57:14):
Bless you for more from News Talk zed B. Listen
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