Full Show Podcast: 28 October 2025

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Speaker 4 (01:03):
Very good afternoon. Do you welcome into Tuesday show? Hope
you're doing well. We're Evia in the country.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
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Zella's for tuning into the show. Undred and eighty ten
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way to text us. Yes, In fact, it's the only
way you can text us nicely.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
You see it.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
You're not giving out our personal numbers nice yet, just yet.
Now on the weekend, Tyler, you you baby sat my
dog Colin over and overnight.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Yep, Colin came round for a bit of a sleepover. Yeah,
and I've got to say, mate, the perfect HouseGuest.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Ah.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Just he loves a snuggle. Yeah, and he ruled the roost.
I've got to say. So, Pepper is greyhound. She's about
three times the size of Colin. But instantly when you
brought Colin around, you could see he was going to
be the boss of that situation. Uh, and people loved it.
After they it only took about twenty minutes. Then they
were sleeping next to each other or sing you that photo. Yeah,

(01:59):
and it was just like a wee Disney movie.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Isn't that interesting? Dogs? How they've got no idea what
size they are? Yeah. So Colin's just this tiny little unit.
Can just run straight under Pepper yep, without even touching
her belly underneath.

Speaker 6 (02:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, his ears wouldn't even tickle her belly. And yet
he's like, no, stay away from my bed. And then
just went into your house and went straight in and
started eating Pepper's food.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Yeah, I was disappointed. People didn't do anything. She just
sat there and watched Colin devour her whole biscuits. But
good on them, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Actually another issue over the weekend is I gave you
an old tint of mine in an old canvas tent. Yeah, fantastic,
the Cacao Caca po tent. Yeah, And I dropped it
around to you. But I had a whole lot of
stuff in the back of the truck that I was
dropping it around to you. And I drove right across
town and then I arrived at your house and I
realized I hadn't put I hadn't put the back down,

(02:53):
and there was so much stuff in there. There was
like a trolley for moving a stuff around. There was
heaps of crazy just miscellaneous items that could have just
just didn't just happened to add a pure dumb lot,
not including the tent I was giving you. Yeah, fly
out the back of the truck.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
The best part of it was the LPG Canniscy you
had rolling around in the back because I heard you
yell out, and I thought, I wonder that sounded like Matt,
And then came out with Colin and the dog and
then you see it. I've just left the bloody door
open on the truck an Allen. Nothing came out.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
There was an LPG canister. I don't know. I mean,
I'm pretty sure they don't explode. I saw something in
the you know, the protests with there throwing LPG canisters
onto fires, and they weren't exploding like they do in
the game man Charted and video games. But yeah, I
mean I could of course, major mayhem.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
Anyway, you're a tinny bugger.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
That's another issue.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Right on to today's show.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Hey this six is, Hey, Matt, the Dodgers suck out come.
Oh whoa, whoa wow. Tyler Glasno is about to pitch
for the Dodgers in Game three of the World Series.
It's one apiece. Tyler Glasnow's six foot eight in an
absolute stud So how dare you say the Dodgers suck
they rule?

Speaker 4 (04:01):
He's got beautiful here, Yeah, yeah, stunning, stunning looking guy.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, he's a great Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
That's up on the telly, by the way, so you'll
give updates as the afternoon progresses.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
How would you take something so hateful?

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Yeah, come on, mate, right on to today's show after
three o'clock. This is an issue near and dear to
your heart that you're kind of facing at the moment
when it comes to open plan living.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Mat Yeah, that's right. I'm moving into a house and
I'm getting some advice from people on how to renovate it,
and everyone's just open it up, turn it into a cabin,
open up the kitchen into the lounge, remove rooms, remove walls,
and I'm just asking why is that? Why have we
gone so far down that route? When it comes to
houses in New Zealand, I say, bring back the hobbit ole,

(04:38):
bring back the maize. Why do we have to live
in shopping shopping more food courts.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
This is going to be a big one. We've already
had small.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Isolated areas, weird knocks and crannies. Bring them back.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
This whole opening everything up, bring the maze back.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I'm angry about it.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
You are very angry about it, and a lot a
lot of listeners are angry as well. But that is
after three o'clock. After two o'clock, it seems more and
more young families are moving away from the big cities.
Arguably it's not just because of the lifestyle. They say
it's getting too expensive and the big cities for food,
for petrol, for housing and even childcare.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Is it really that much cheaper in the small towns.
That's what I want to ask on one hundred and
eighteen eighty what are the but also what are the
advantage of the big city if the big city is
so much more expensive in taking housing out of there?
Obviously houses are more expensive in Auckland, that's a given
than they are in Milton. But why do most of
us stay in the big cities if it's so much
better and cheaper in the small towns.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
Yeap, looking forward to that after two o'clock. But right now,
let's have a chat about parking. The number of drivers
pinged annually by at Auckland Transports license plate recognition vehicles
is almost double, so data provided to Newstalk ZB shows
this new technology. They issued more than five hundred and
eighteen thousand finds last year. That's almost twice as many

(05:54):
as the fines they handed out in twenty twenty three,
and the most common type of infringement was failing to
pay for parking in paid zones. Boom, that's seventy bucks
right there.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Look, I'm angry about this, and I think that the
council in New Zealand and parking enforcement has broken an
unspoken fear, unspoken rules of fear competition, the cheeky back
and forth, the cat and mouse between parker and parking enforcement.
And you know, we never signed up for fuel full

(06:27):
nuclear attack on us. We're just driving at pace around
pinging everyone. That's not what we signed up for. There
used to be an area if out there, if it
was raining, you'd know that the parking warden couldn't be
bothered walking around, so you could park out there all
day and that was just a little bit of joy
in the life of the citizens of the city. And
if they're going to go full nuclear on us, maybe
we should question their right to charge us to park

(06:48):
on our own streets at all.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
You're pushing back out on this, Yeah, this is where
the campaign starts for Matt haat oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. I do get your point on the
cat and mouse situation, and we've all done it. And
you talk about the scenario where it's pouring down with
rain you park because you think that the warden's not
going to been out. If there is a ward and
that's hardy enough to be out there, then you say,
fair cop, well done. You put yourself in that environment.

(07:13):
It's you versus me. You got me in that scenario. Yeah,
fair cop, I'm almost happy to pay that fine. But
you see that that punishing car flying around it loves
around here, actually drift netting, drift netting everybody.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
And before people say, oh look, these these tickets are
you know they're they're you know, these parking enforcement and
staff is you know, it's just about moving cars through rubbish.
It is not, because you're pinging people on Sundays and
you're not pinging people where the congestion is. But my
thing is, sure, maybe you can argue that you could

(07:46):
find someone for staying over three hours, sure, but that
first three hours, the first minute shouldn't be charged because
these are our roads that we've paid for. So if
there's a congestion problem, then give people two hours free
parking in the areas you want people to go, and
then then maybe find them after that. But the idea
that we start paying from the second we park there

(08:07):
and then get fined if we stay over it's just
it's overreach. And we were willing to let it go
for a while because there was a fair cat mouth,
there was a bit of a game going on. But
if they're just going to go full nuclear and blast
around at pace with their stupid cars, just pinging absolutely
everyone treating the citizens of New Zealand as the enemies

(08:28):
of the state, then no, the gloves are off. This
Texas is if at have handed out five hundred thousand
and five dollars worth of fines and the most common
is for not paying at seventy dollars, that's thirty five
million going to the Auckland Council to improve roads, et
CETERA big and crime stream for the city. No, it's
a big income stream out of the citizens of a

(08:49):
city towards the council to spend in all kinds of
crazy ways. To another attack this idea that you can
just keep taking money off people, you know, like we're
an unstoppable resource.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty worked up about this
unextinguishable resource.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
This whole idea that you treat citizens as enemies to
be mined and to be hunted.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
I don't like it two is that text number come
on through. This is going to be a great conversation
and just he heads up, we are going to have
a chat to that AA in the next ten minutes
or so and get their thoughts about this drift knitting
parking situation. Right now though it is quarter past one.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
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Speaker 4 (09:36):
That'd be very good afternoon to you. So we're talking
about the massive increase in the number of fines AT
has been handing out with this new technology they've got
fitted out on cars. Is that fair play or is
it too much?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
What do you say?

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Oh, e one hundred and eighty ten EIGHTC number.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Call make says this text they're reparking it's still capt'
and mouth council. Just have a bigger cat. Why not
leave a bike carrier on your toebar. They won't stop
to get a better photo. Just thank goodness they do it.
Don't have AI using CCTV. Just imagine how that would
work out. Yeah, they will do that though they absolutely
one hundred percent will use every technique they can to

(10:15):
go to war with their citizens, yep, and try and
rinse us, squeeze as much money out of us as
they can spend on their crazy council plan.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
And if they can't see your license plate number, it's
not going to stop there, is it. They'll chase that
up and keep keep pushing for that. In a minute,
we're going to go to Martin Glenn, he's a policy
director for the AA to get his thoughts. But in
the meantime, Michael could tave you on the program, how
are you?

Speaker 7 (10:40):
Oh, no, thank you, I love your show, very cheerful.
So actually happened is I got five tickets ae hundred
dollars each in Federal Street just to go into the
dairy and buying some drinks and lollies.

Speaker 8 (10:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (10:57):
So back then what used to happen, I was tickets
used to be forty dollars for like having a parking fine,
now is one hundred dollars plus. As a uber driver,
they took away all the taxi stand so you don't
have freedom of parking anymore. So it's like every week
we uber driver taxi drivers scared to park anywhere. We
have to park a puns and be a hard bay

(11:19):
to save money. So we're wasting a lot of money
on fuel to cruise around as well. So it's a
big waste of money. And I think cons like Auckland
Transport is hypocrite. They say they they just over expansion
and they waste a lot of money on garden boxes,
but they don't care about taxi stand. They took away
all the taxi stand, they put all the bike lane

(11:40):
and garden boxes.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah and so so you say, so they're taking money,
they're finding people like you, Michael, and you say five
times yeah and one yea.

Speaker 7 (11:51):
So it used to be so the Federal Street fine
used to be forty dollars, now one hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, that sucks. I mean it's crazy. Federal Street is
an ebsolute rolling disaster. They've made it, made it.

Speaker 7 (12:06):
I mean, even buy the coffee I got. I love
the coffee shop there, like the two or seven Federal
Street coffee shop. If I go there, there's the camera,
got like automation AI. So it just the takes your
number plate and after ten minutes to get a fine.

Speaker 9 (12:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, and so they find so heavily and obviously there.
Their idea is to make it as horrible as it
possibly can to be in a car in the CBDA.
I think it's because they want to make the city
rail work, so they have to.

Speaker 7 (12:36):
They also took away the taxis stand on the Danny Doulan,
so it's all like bicycle and garden boxes. You can't
even park anywhere. It's just greed. And yeah, they try
to say they're just they just hypocrite, greedy Auckland Transport
and so.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
And if they're going to park us, you know, and
force so aggressively, it really calls into question how they're
spending the money. On the other ende.

Speaker 7 (12:59):
I got other friends who are like in construction, who
are plumbers, electrician trades, construction workers. Most of their money
goes to parking. They just will they lose money working
in CUD.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Yeah, thank you on you and Michael. We feel your
around frustration there, I mean, and that's it. You know,
when you get the shamozzle of Federal Street and other
places around the CBD in Auckland, nobody wants to come.
And that's half the problem, right, That's why these businesses
are screaming out to say, just do something that can
make it easier to get in here.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Joelsey's next up drones flying up and down streets with
AI scanning all plates for parking and warrant of fitness
and REGRO coming within five years, Joel wouldn't surprise me.
I mean, if they had their way, these people at
the you know, Auckland Transport and the various agencies across
the country, they would just scream past and have access
to your bank account and they just drain it straight
into their coffers that they could spend it on, as

(13:50):
Michael said, plant boxes. Yeah, I've got no doubt about that.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
What do you say though, Oh eight, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. And coming
up next, we're gonna have a chat with Martin Glenn.
He is the policy a policy director for the AA.
We're going to have a chat to him about his thoughts.
Next that is twenty two past one.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
The Headlines and the Hard Questions. It's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
By the time you get to wait check it. It will
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framework and yes it's important globally, but are they going
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Speaker 10 (14:19):
I spoke to Premier Lee of China this evening about
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you know, their their secretaries and their ministers have done
some pre work to sort of calm things down. And
for the world's two largest economies, you know, we actually
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that's a positive conversation. We'd get to a much more
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Speaker 2 (14:46):
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Speaker 4 (14:51):
Twenty five past one. So, as we've been discussing, the
number of parking fines AT has handed out with its
licensed plate recognition cars is almost doubled from twenty twenty
three to twenty twenty four last years, or more than
half a million infringements issued. I know half a mil.
The AA hopes parking enforcement cars are being used for
keeping spots clear rather than revenue generation. To chat more

(15:14):
about this, we're joined by AA policy director Martin Glenn Martin,
Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 8 (15:20):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
So, Martin, how many is too many parking enforcement cars?

Speaker 8 (15:27):
Yeah, it's a good question. Look, that's certainly one we
can't answer. At has made a decision that they're a
lot parking enforcement cards are a lot more efficient, and
I guess you know, really some of the safety concernsu
raised about parking parking water v issue for us. Is

(15:49):
there a problem with people finding parking? That's what you know,
the parking strategies meant to be behind. And if that's
the case, then obviously parking does need to be enforced.
But yeah, this number is a huge increase in one year.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Do you think it is fair that they have these
vehicles driving in loops all day trying to find these
people park for a couple of minutes over over what
they pay. Do you think that is fair cop or
just a little bit overboard.

Speaker 8 (16:17):
I think they're becoming increasingly common throughout the world, and
there are an other cities cities to so it's it's
probably just you know, we're getting getting speed tickets and
under things acually this way to it's it's it's really
a question of what problem they're trying to solve and
the legitimate parking shortages people are coming into areas and

(16:40):
not driving around around and not be able to get apart.
It kind of makes sense a lot to use these
alongside parking wardens. But where there's where there's not a problem,
you know, it just does with everybody's suspicion that it's
just about revenue generation.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Well, it's just about revenue generation, though, isn't it isn't
that Isn't that clearly the case? Because you know they're
they're they're pinging people in areas where there isn't can
congestion and pinging people at times when there isn't congestion.
So how do they justify that that has to be
about revenue generation.

Speaker 8 (17:15):
I haven't seen any of the specific data. I mean,
this is something we've asked at time and time about
over the years, even before these cars.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Are around them.

Speaker 8 (17:24):
They have a short asset's about addressing the problem by
that by the same token. In the last year or two,
it's the council. The mayor and the council have been
leaning on at to raise or cover more of its
costs from its own sources, and have particularly highlighted parking.

(17:46):
So I think it's a yeah, I do think it's
a reasonable supposition that not every parking car out there
is just is just doing it to make sure parking
is available for people.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Surely there's something in the double amount of fines, I mean,
half a million infringements and the big chunk of those
who are around parking enforcement. Does it not take the
human element out of it? Martin that it does feel
an attack on citizens rather than seeing the context of
why someone might have stopped for an extra minute in
a particular parking spot. You get what I mean that
if there's a human warden and there's an emergency that's

(18:18):
happened or whatever the reason is, there's that human element
to say, hey, fair cop, you can't park here, do
what you need to do and move on, rather than
just smashing them all with these fines.

Speaker 8 (18:29):
I think that's a very legitimate question. It's something that
you'd need to put to at itself. I know, I
understand the the parking charges are initially checked in an office.
That's differently. Obviously they're being on the street and being
able to listen to somebody's explanation. But yes, without that,

(18:51):
you can't tell us, you know, does someone have a
legitimate reason? But as you say, just being a minute
or two over or having not even paid a parking charge,
because I note that was the thing the at spokes highlighted.
It seem to be the most common thing. People haven't
paid a parking charge at all. So it's probably deshing
into the shop for a minute or two and picking
it's not worth paying and packing charge.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
And then some punishes zooms passed and pings them with
no nuance at all. So if this, you know, it
gets to the point where it's no longer a friendly
back and forth and there's no gray area in terms
of some you know, empathy or consideration about what people
are doing in their day because we're all members of
this of any particular city we live in, and you know,

(19:33):
we're all trying to get around and do our business
and visit shops and keep the economy running. So is
it time to ask questions around their right to charge
us at all? We've already paid for the roads through
rates and taxes, and you know, isn't it our right
to just park on the road that we already own?
I mean, the council doesn't own it, the citizens own it.

(19:55):
So I could maybe understand if they find you if
you've been there for two hours, But where does the
moral right to charge us for the first from minute
one that we park on our own streets.

Speaker 8 (20:08):
I mean, I agree with you, and I think there
is an element of with any fine, whether it's parking
or anything else, there needs to be an element of discretion.
And that's where the human factor comes in it. I
don't know what the AT back office does when these
cameras presumably download all the infringements you've taken, and I

(20:29):
understand the humans still got to look at them one
by one, but it would say you could argue that
that's you know, that's too remote to kind of understand
everybody's circumstances. So yeah, there is people do have an
objection right process they can go through, and I know
that's something else A members reasonably regularly contact us about.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Now the AT is always talking about, and this is
true across the whole country. They're talking about, you know,
congestion problems. And this might be a bit of a
leading question, but who's fault is the shortage of parking
in the CBD of say Auckland.

Speaker 8 (21:06):
Well, I was able to listen to some of your
story a few minutes ago. An Auckland Council that to
their ride, has been going through a kind of city
center access plan for the best part of a decade now,
of which the city rail link is one of the
centerpieces and it's aimed at making it more easier for

(21:27):
other modes to get around. And that's that's all the
said at next sense of the car, So that's a
legitimate question to put to them. There are there buildings
like the Downtown Car Park which holds two thousand people
that have been sold to to to development that's planning
on putting high rises up. Auckland Council continuously sees the

(21:50):
off street parking there is a setplus available that's never full.
It doesn't need to preside the down to parking space
that it wants to. But you're right, it's still the
main way most of us access the city center as
through the cars, so you're getting that balance rights tricky.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah, thank you so much, great discussion, Martin. Thank you
very much for joining us. Really appreciate it. Have a
good rest of the afternoon.

Speaker 8 (22:15):
Cheers you guys.

Speaker 11 (22:16):
Tea.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
That is Martin Glenn, policy director for the AA.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
So they make it impossible for us to park anywhere
reasonably and go about our business to make their plans
that they've had successful, to force them to make a
success of their crazy plans that they've put in place,
and then they deploy an army of robots against us
to punish us on the back end. So they're attacking

(22:41):
the citizens of the city from two ends for their
own strange plans and schemes that we're not really a
party to.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
It's a beautiful analogy, and can I just say it's
at is obviously the one handing out half a million
infringements over the past year. But talking about the free
hour of parking, the CBD and christ Church for example,
nobody was going in. One councilor suggested, hey, why not
just offer one hour of free parking. Council said nap, No,
don't want to do that. So they got shut down

(23:12):
and that was effectively anti business, That's what it was,
because the one councilor is not a counselor anymore. Jamie
Goff said that the businesses are struggling here, Why is
it so controversial just to offer that one hour of
free parking get people back in? Because I'm buggering off
to the malls and everyone said, no, the.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Malls can do it exactly. The malls can give you
three hours of free parking one hundred percent. Yeah, okay,
but we can't park on our own roads that we
paid for with our rates and taxes for free. Yeah,
to go about and further the economy by going into
shops and going about our business. But the malls can
give it to us for free.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Exactly. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
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Speaker 4 (25:07):
Thank you very much, Raylan. So we're talking about Auckland
Transport handing out double the number of infringements and they
did the previous year almost no over half a million infringements.
Most of those were for parking enforcement. And they're able
to do this because they've got this license plate recognition
technology that they've rolled out over the previous year, which

(25:28):
is effectively like carpet bombing.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, that's right, they're going hard on us. They've decided
to full out no nuance war against the citizens of
the city Sylvia says, I agree with Matt. Where is
the good will? Where is the room for making mistakes? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Spot On nicely said that nuance and that context.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Pete, welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (25:49):
Yeah you go, just like that gentleman Sere from the
AA there. But I can't see what they're how the
councils or especially like Auckland. I think it's about time
the government stepped in because what's happening now is they're
using this modern technology solely to their advantage, these councils.
And they know they've got that technology now. They never

(26:10):
had that technology before. So the government is trying to
get people in the cities. I've got a sister up
on Auckland and she won't go in town now, which
is too scared where all human beings are. We not
people come into cities. I'm from New Plymouth, I come,
I go up Ortland. I don't won't go up there
anymore now. So I put it going to end up
a five hundred, five hundred dollar fines for parking or

(26:32):
maybe a loading zone for two minutes to get my bearings.
There should be a grace period where these park I
call them, these parking people, they just a bunch of
their bunch. I call them a bunch of crims. That's
what they are. Greedy, they have no dignity at all.
They're just fleecing people. And I pritty myself, it's about

(26:52):
time the government stepped in. There is a leeway, yeah,
and a your phone goes, you pull over, you want
to get your bearings at your GPS or whatever. They
should not be able to park you basically park now
for thirty seconds whatever they pin you that. It's not
fear So I think it's about time the government did
something and also the Auckland Council give people a bit
of a credibility and treat them with dignity.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Look good on your pete. Yeah, I mean that's right.
That's the whole thing. It's the it's the the blanket,
the one hundred percent efficiency. The way the no nuance
war against us parking is tricky as some cafes, laundromats
have designated parking and some people want to park there
all day and then have all sorts of excuses. Unfortunately,

(27:35):
so there can't be exemptions rules. Otherwise they park in
supermarkets et cetera, and it will annoy us. Well, parking
the supermarkets. That's a private matter, but yeah, I mean
I get that. So if you're in front of a
dairy and you need people to move on, then maybe
you have you know, you can have those fifteen minute zones,
but they're free, so you can park for fifteen minutes

(27:56):
for free as long as you move on ping the
people for not moving on. What I'm complaining about is
that they start charging you from second one and then
they unreleased on the zero nuance for technology punishment on you.
You know, if you if you are there for even
you know, one minute too long?

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yeah, what do you say?

Speaker 5 (28:18):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to cour if you've recently been fined. And there's a
lot of people that have been picked up by this
new technology, over half a million. Love to hear from you.
What happened? How long were you parked up? And did
you manage to fight the power? Nine two nine two
is the text number as well. Back in a mow,
it is nineteen to two.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Tyler, concentrate on the show, stop watching the baseball on
the team mate.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
I'm going to turn that tally off in a minute.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
You got it. My last focus in the middle of
my center.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on.
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
They'd be We're a good afternoons here. We're talking about
the number of parking infringement AT have issued. It doubled
in the previous year, over half a million. Most of
that is for parking. And the reason they can do
that is because they've got this new tech. They don't
need to even need wardens on the ground anymore to
drive around in those cars and sting you left, right
and center. Is that fair cop or does it go
too far?

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Is it zero empathy, zero gray area tech deployed against
the cities of the city together revenue for the dubious
plans is this text says it's called social engineering, guys,
and down here in Wellington, the WCC are in the
business of telling us how to live our lives. This
Texas says it's time to call Batman.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
It's ten minutes of Gotham City. This texture is actually
pushing back. Get over at your wines. The AT app
is very easy to use. Parking is not expensive at
two bucks an hour. The app lets you know when
your parking time is up or so when you park,
you can say how long you're going to park. So
if you think you're going to be an hour, it's
best to put two hours, because when you go back,
it only charges you for the time you actually use.

(29:55):
The biggest problem I have is finding a park.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, I mean that's because they've removed all the parks.
But secondly, you could ask the question why are they
charging us from a minute one at all to park
on our own roads? Were saying for with our rates
and in Texas this Texas is not a fan of
at But as far as I'm concerned, eight does give
a ten minute grace period. If someone parks on a
paid parking spot and didn't pay, they will only be
pinned it pinned and charged on the second time they

(30:21):
are seen on the same spot and have not moved.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Okay, undred and eighty seen eighty is that number of time?

Speaker 2 (30:27):
That's not what some of our uber drivers are saying
that they're experiencing. Let's go to Ken Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (30:33):
Oh guys, First of all, how do we determine parking?
To me, if you're sat in the car, even if
the eroine is off. You're not parked, You're only stuck.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (30:47):
Well, I worked as a volunteer driver taking people for
medical appointments, and sometimes I go to the middlemore where
you're supposed to part. Well, I usually go and park
down the road at the service station for most of
the time. Then I might come back up when I
think the patient's going to be ready, and then sometimes
I've still been parped in the road for an hour.
But if I'm sat in the car and one of

(31:08):
those crumbs down, he's not to know whether he's dole
un necessarily see whether I'm in the car or not.
So that if you picking me because I haven't paye
and yet I'm not really parking money stuff.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Spot on, I'll meet you whether you ken. If you're
in your vehicle, then that is not parking up. And
we've all played that game before that. I five needed
to shoot in somewhere. I say to my partner, Hey, mate,
can you jump in the driver's seat just in case
the warden tells you to move?

Speaker 2 (31:31):
That's fair cop, yeah, but the presence of a driver
does not grant immunity. In Auckland, transports regulation and new
Zealand's Land Transport that state that being in a vehicle
does not exempt it from parking restrictions. The law penalizes
the act of stopping, standing or parking in a prohibited area,
regardless of whether the cars occupied right. But I guess

(31:51):
back in the old day, you know, you leave one
person in the car and if a parking warden came along,
you just buzz out of there. Yeah, well you.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Just go sor right, just moving cat and mouse.

Speaker 14 (32:03):
It was.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
I had another instance that went to gardens play. When
I take people up to off an hospital, I go
and park in the winter garden cafe and wait for
them while their own chemo or radiation and stuff. And
one day I was sat in the cafe reading the newspaper.
I saw this little pink truck of ride. I just
saw the cab of it like I didn't think nothing

(32:25):
of it. I carried on reading the paper. Two minutes later,
I actor, there's the front of my car rising up,
and anyway, I'll shut it out quick as I could
walk with the sticks. And what's going on? Oh, so
you're parked on the broken yellow line? I said, yeah, Well,
I said, I'm at the cafe here I said, I'm
waiting for a patient at the hospital. If I hadn't

(32:46):
had to look up at the right time, that my
car would have been gone, the patient would have rank.
And I've had no crowd to take your.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Own so that they didn't even knock on your WI
window before they hooked the tow track up.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
Just a shame on them. There's not even a disabled
park outside the cafe.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Even And but when you went up to them, because
sometimes they chat your little cheeky backhand, okay, well we'll
take it off if you, you know, give us give
me a hundred cash now. But did they just lower
it down with no do they it?

Speaker 6 (33:18):
I turned my trous I got and I'm waiting for
the book and hospital.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
We'll good on you.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
They put it down, and then I got a I
got a build from Walking Transport for what it was
thirteen dollars was for them calling the tot raft that
I think it was fifty six dollars. They drive me
on top of that as well.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
We'll good on you, Ken for the for the good
work you do in the community.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
Ain't yep yep? Keep fighting the power as well. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
To call oh Man. He said that she parked in
Ponsonby for twelve minutes and was fine. Seventy dollars Old Mandy.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
It's beautiful. Thank you, yeah, thanks.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
That is a lot though for twelve and all the
people texting in saying that that that they don't do
these things. She got packed seventy bucks. She was there
for twelve minutes.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
There's your proof, right it is eleven minutes to two.
But taking more of your calls if you've recently been fined,
love to hear your story back in the mote.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tylor
Adams Afternoons news TALKSV news Talks.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Here'd be full lines. At the moment we're talking about
at and their parking infringement finds issued out by new
technology that means they don't really have to have wardens anymore.
They're just driver in the around in the cars, carpet
bombing and picking up anybody who may be thirty seconds
over the limits.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
You know what I'm with you, Matt. I'm happy for
you to lead the movement. You're right, it's us versus them.
In the last six months, I've disposed of three speed
cameras and disabled four more. I'm currently trolling the CVD
in search of one of these cars, where I will
then pop up all its tires. Good on your mat,
you're the man, brother. I'd like to distance myself from Dave.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Yeah, yeah, yep, that Dave is doing that on his
own own mat.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
I'm just I'm just blowing hot air on the radio
saying that I think it's a little bit unfair how
things are rolling, and I think that potentially we need
to question the right of the council to charge us
to park on our own roads. But I don't want
to start a sea of vigilantes heading out into anti
parking vigilantes.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Dave, you're on your own man.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
What was the guy in Italy?

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Oh, that's right, who was taken out all the speed
cameras and the Yeah, gosh, what did they call him?
I think they got him in the end, didn't they.
But there was a big man hunt trying to track
him down.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, he was called the flexi man, the flexi man,
that's right. Yeah, he was a vigilante out there destroying
you know, that's that's not the movement. I'm a peaceful movement,
peaceful resistance.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Good to clarify that, Let's.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Defeat them with our arguments, not with our circular saws.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
So be popping tires. Dave eighty is the number to call.
We've got full boards at the moment. But let's go
to Andrew on the other side. There, Andrew, how are you?
I'm good to show you very good. What do you
reckon on this one?

Speaker 15 (36:08):
It's a little bit mental, isn't it. I sort of
noticed how in the city the at got lots of
cameras over their bus lanes and they're quite they're quite
Nazis with how they police people driving in their bus lanes.
You know, you'll you'll instantly, you know, get a tack

(36:29):
one hundred and fifty dollars or something like that for
driving in their bus lanes. And to hear that they're
doing this, I guess probably isn't too surprising. But what
gets what gets me is that, like there's lots of
other crazy things that are happening around the city, like
especially in the busy times, people will queue across intersections

(36:53):
and block traffic. And how come there's no teeth with
the imagery of that, and the number of plates they
would pick up. How come they that you know or
can transport?

Speaker 2 (37:06):
You mean when people enter into section when their exitus
and is.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Blocked, yeah, opposing traffic.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, I think that is something that people really need
to be educated on. If you if you don't go
into the intersection until you can clearly see that you
can leave, you're not getting there any quicker. Like, if
there's an opportunity to get there, you'll be able to
get there. But the amount of people that are hanging
out two or three cars and blocking when the lights change,

(37:35):
that you know, tays of those people. Let's leave over
and leave the people that are parking ten minutes too
long alone on the side of the road. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 15 (37:45):
People, it's like that. But but if you just if
you drive in the bus way, oh, you're going to
get it.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Yeah, you've got to shave those people in a minute.
And I can say that because I've been one of
those those people time, because I've been and the embarrassment
levels and people are honking at me giving me the figures,
and I'm like, I deserve this.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
I mean, you do get parnished with you out there.
If you've made them a you've sort of been absent
minded and you've thought that maybe the exit was going
to clear by the time you got there, and then
you're sitting there blocking other people. It's the longest couple
of minutes of your life. You're just sitting there, You're
waving sorry to so many people. The angriest face is
looking straight at you, and you're like, what if I
done that? It's time so slow there. It certainly does.

(38:28):
You need to get the special theory of relativity into
those cars to just work out how much slow time
has slowed when you're sitting in the middle of that intersection.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
It is a fair punishment for doing that sort of
stuff as well.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
But I think you deserve I mean, I might just
get a taser in my car and then just taser
myself so people sitting there and go, look, I know
I've I've made a mistake here. He's taken it on himself,
torturing myself here. It's a terrible thing to do.

Speaker 15 (38:52):
Right.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
We're going to carry this on after two o'clock because
so many people want to have a chat about it. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Call on with you, Matt storm the Capitol.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
This is getting out of control.

Speaker 9 (39:04):
Matt.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
You've rut the people up too much. Down right news.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
My movement's getting away from it a new.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Sport and weather is fast approaching. But get on the phones.
O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you
can't get through, keep trying. Nine two ninety two is
that text number as well. Great Dey of your company
is always hope you're having a great Tuesday afternoon. You're
listening to Matt and Tyler. Stay right here. We'll be
back shorty.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
It'd be afternoon to welcome back into the show. It
is six pass two and we're going to carry on
the discussion where we're having last hour about the number
of parking fines eighty Auckland Transport has handed out with
its new license plate recognition cars. It's almost doubled from
twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four last years, or
more than half a million infringements issued, with the most

(39:56):
common one being drivers not paying for parking in a
paid zone. So what do you say, O e one
hundred eighty ten eighty do you think this is effectively
an attack on its citizens and it's not fair play?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Stop your moaning, Matt says this text, stop your moaning,
Please stop your moaning. Look is it moaning or is
it just having a discussion on our eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty. What I'm complaining about, which is moaning?
I guess stop your moaning.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
The fighting the power moaning. Yeah, well, standing up to
standing up to authority. Not like Dave.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
We don't need to mention Dave again. I'm going to
I'm going to brand my moaning as complaining.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
What I'm complaining about is the deployment of zero empathy
Z zero gray area tech against the citizens of our cities.
Tech like this leaves no room for humanity to thrive,
no room for humanity to thrive. It it's efficiency in
the most heartless way, and it turns those of us
who have paid for the roads we park on with

(40:54):
our taxes and rates as it into a resource to
be farmed for revenue.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Nicely, nicely, I guve you.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
And then that money that they farm from us, that
they use us as a resource as a catchment area,
is then spent on hurting us around according to their
dubious plans, and everywhere we go we see their failures.
So this sort of you know, cat and mouse, you know,
cheeky little back and forth that used to happen between

(41:23):
parking enforcement and the citizens, the sort of unspoken competition
sort of you know, gave us a little good will
and a little leeway, you know what I mean. Sometimes
you got away with it, sometimes you didn't. You know,
It's like Max verstepping in the safety car. He's not
angry at the virtual safety car because sometimes it goes
as way, sometimes it doesn't, right, yep, great analogy. And

(41:43):
sometimes you would park on the street and you'd get
away with it. Sometimes it would rain and you'd be like, oh,
the parking wardens aren't going to go out, and that
I'll be fine, And there was a bit of back
and forth. There was a bit of gray area. But
now with this level of tech deployed against us, there's
no gray area. It's just going nuclear on us, and
we're supposed to expected just to shut up and be fleeced.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
All right, all right, fantastic. I love that is that complaining? Well,
come on through one number to go?

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Was that just winging?

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Is this about humanity thriving? Come on through nine two
nine two is the text number? Devon You got to
take it recently for stopping for one second? Is that true?

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yes, that's exactly true.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Right, Well, tell us what happens? So whereabouts did you stop?

Speaker 3 (42:30):
I stopped on Taylor's Street. I'm a woman driver, yep.
So you know there's no place in the city where
you can stop and pick up passengers, so Taylor Street
being quite a busy place where you pick up people
from the restaurants there. I stopped in front of the
restaurant and this person got into my car and I
drove off. I get a ticket and I'm gonna go online.

(42:52):
I see two photographs one second apart, and then Frinchmand
noticed states that I stopped for one second duration of
parking one second?

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Wow? And did you I took.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
I tried to contest it online, nothing nothing happening there.
So I went down to the officers in I tried
first to tried the novel process that I tried emails.
Then I went down and I can't remember the lady's name,
but her first name was Jane, And I asked, you know,
to quit this and said, no, you stopped, so you

(43:26):
have to play the frame. I said, where's a discussion.
She says, there's no discussions on parking tickets.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Wow, I mean, like one second, anybody listening can see that.
That is crazy town sixty dollars. You were, you were stung,
but there's no So you took it back to an
actual human. That was this crazy robot health system that
stung here. Then you took it back to a human
and I said, not sorry, one second is over.

Speaker 16 (43:50):
Over.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
I can't remember her satin name, And I asked her,
what's your qualification? She says, I'm a lawyer and I'm
in charge of this.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Place anyway, So you what you went in? So you
went down.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
To down to Eightyes, officers in in.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
On the way back to her and there was and
there was a lawyer called Jane sitting behind the counter.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Behind the counter. She came from somewhere beyond the back there.

Speaker 6 (44:17):
Right.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
That's that's why the parking fines are gone up. We've
got to pay these lawyers to sit around all day
and make arguments against the citizens.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
So so when you said that, it was only one
second and you showed it. What were what was her?
So she just said that there's no leeway at all.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
She said, no, there's not. She said that I can
get a date in courts.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Wow, sheep is over one second.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
That that's that's that's craziness.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Did you call herself on that?

Speaker 2 (44:41):
So that kind of pushes back on my tech lack
of tech empathy when people are just driving around farming us.
But that's you're talking to a person there, and that
that's a person on person, a human on human, and
they're not showing any sort of you know, reason or
you know, a gray area senity. Well I'm sorry about that, Devin.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Yeah, I mean that is that is really unfair, just
on there quickly talking about the catamount, and sometimes they
let you get away with it. You can argue the context.
On Hobson Street, as I was going home, got a
phone call just after four o'clock and then I sort
of merged to the right where there are car parks there.
But apparently it's a transit lane, so it was only

(45:24):
a transit lane or it was not a transit lane
for two minutes after I took that phone call. So
sat there having a yarn. The guy the parking woulden
knocked on the window and he said, excuse me, look
at that sign. You can't park here. And I said
at that point, fair cop hung up, carried on. There
was no fine as far as I'm aware.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Fantastic love it. It's a lovely reta meet it made
type situation. Just a friendly back and forth between the
the you know, the citizens and the enforcement and it's
good common sense parking ward injury.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Exactly do you think a robot would have done it?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Not someone whipping past it? Fifty k ping ping ping ping, ding, ping, ping, ping, ping,
ping ping ping, revenue drift netting, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
number to call this?

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Texas says wave or parking fines where there is a
free space next door. If they can detect when a
car is parked, they can detect when one isn't. Solves
all disputes. See, that's the thing. As the technology is deployed,
then it should be able to have the ability. If
they're driving down a street on a Sunday and there's
no cars around and there's plenty of space to park,
then don't ping people or if it's quiet for whatever reason,

(46:28):
if it's not causing a congestion problem, then then then
are they willing when as they get the tech gets
more and more advanced to put in use that tech
to let people off to widen you know, the the
you know, the decision making to the point where, look,
there's no point in parking stinging this area. There's plenty
of parks they should do.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
But when they're pulling in thirty five million dollars of
fins a year, I don't know. Something tells me they're
not going to utilize that sort of technology. They love
stinging fines.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
It always goes one way, doesn't it? The efficiency always
goes one way, certainly does.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
It adds fourteen pars too, But taking more of your
calls if you can't get through, keep trying. Oh, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Your home of Afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
Zed B, News Talk zed B. We are talking about
at doubling the number of parking infringements over the past
year utilizing state of the art technology. Is it fair
love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Is it fair enough? Do the crime commit the fay
the fine? Yep, there it is? Or is it a
tech overreached treating the citizens of the good citizens of
cities is just a resource to be fine farmed, Margaret.
I was charged for three minutes over on a stretch
of road with no other cars around me, which was
not meeted by a traffic officer.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Okay, see unfair.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
So well you know, but there's a traffic officer that
did it.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Oh okay, right, Well, well that is the human factor.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
I asked before whether I was winging or complaining This
TEXTA and caps is winging with an exclamation mark?

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Is that winging about winging?

Speaker 14 (48:03):
Though?

Speaker 4 (48:04):
I mean, that's where we will get to it at
this point.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Well, I asked for it, didn't I certainly did, Glenn.
How are you?

Speaker 16 (48:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Good mate, Sell, very good, thanks for calling in.

Speaker 17 (48:15):
Yeah, so it's not why I don't live in Auckland.
I live in Wellington and I live on a like
a bus route and I thought, oh, in seat of
parking my car half on the road, half on the
footpath to make sure that there's going to be enough
room cars coming pass buses and stuff like that, but
I parked it on my boom and one night somebody

(48:39):
had come around gave me a two dollars no ridge
fine and parking on the boom at ten thirty at night.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
That hurts at teen thirty at night. So what are
they doing out at ten thirty at.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
Night trying to catch people like Glynn?

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Clearly that's really that, that's revenue it's got They've got
to stop that kind of behavior, yeah, because because you
know at that point they're not doing it for any
other reason. They're to ping people for cat Yeah.

Speaker 17 (49:05):
So like yeah, so I thought, what the hell? So
I disputed it and said, well they're a bus through
you know, I'd rather part my car off the road
so my car doesn't get hit by a bus or
people you know, having to wait long time, keep passing
any type thing. And they wavered the Burmfinne but still
did me for the redge.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Yeah see, I mean registration to me, I think that
should purely just be police officers. I don't think the
council should have any right to sting a car that
doesn't have a registration. That just feels outside of the
jurisdic Get out of it, stick to your I mean,
arguably parking isn't there jurisdiction, but just you know, stick
to your own lane. Eighty you can't be whacking people
for no warrants and no regil as well. Yeah, just

(49:47):
get out of it, Yeah, come on, yeah, get out.
Arguably Glenn got dobbed on by one of his neighbors
as well. So this is what happens if becomes a
Gestapo situation where your neighbors are dobbing in boys.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
This behavior by a parasitic bureaucracy is entirely consistent with
their objectives. If you want independent forms of transportation, you
will pay and be bled dry for it. Eighty want
you on buses and trains on cycles, so you can't
leave their greedy grasp. Get out while you can, regard Stephen,
I don't know how you get out, Get out of

(50:17):
the busy, keep fighting that power. Well, I mean, part
of me is suspicious that they have invested so much
in certain areas that they have to make it work. Yeah,
so you know, and they pull leave. They've got the
levers on either side, so they can they can choke
and torture and make it as horrible as possible to

(50:37):
be a car driver to make their other plans work. Yep, right,
so it's a bit of an unfair war against the citizens.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
One hundred percent. And when you double the number of
infringements from two hundred thousand and a half a million,
you've got a question. That's exactly what their policy is.
But oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call Neville. You reckon, you've got a strategy
to get out of a fine.

Speaker 16 (51:01):
Yeah, this is for the Wilson's Car Parking. So Wilson's
Car Parking is a big Hong Kong based companies. They're
huge and most of the car parking buildings in New
Zealand and other car parks are managed by them. You
guys all know Wilson's correct, yep, duty yeah, yeah, so yeah,
So this was debated on the radio a while ago actually,
and there was a lawyer that gave the one way

(51:24):
to get off it. So listen close. Basically, this is
what you do you take a photo of So let's
say you're fifteen minutes over. You're paying ten dollars an
hour for a car parking building, so that ten fifteen
minutes over is two dollars fifty. That they've actually missed
out on. So what you do is you take a
photo of your car, so you've got photo time proof

(51:45):
on your phone. When the eighty five or one hundred
and twenty dollars fine arrives, you don't shag around. You
don't contact anyone other than by email because it's a
waste of time trying to phone them. You won't get
anybody anyway, and you dispute it and you offer them
ten dollars, So that's being fair and reasonable. You're saying that, well,

(52:06):
you've missed out two dollars fifty worth of parking, and
here's a photo with the other empty parks and of
my cars. You've got all that proof, and you say
that this is the crucial bit. You say, otherwise this
account is in dispute. So what you're doing is you're
forcing them to go to the disputes tribune, and they
won't want to bar of it. They'll just simply move

(52:27):
on and they will threaten you with bake corp or
a sort of those sorts of different things. But the
fine's too small, and so what the lawyer that was
on the radio set is that it's actually illegal for
Wilson's to call them a fine, so they call it
something else to get around that. But if you do
what I just said yet, they will just simply walk

(52:47):
from it because it's not really it's a dodgy way
that they're doing it anyway, if it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Have you tried tried this and did it work?

Speaker 16 (52:55):
Yeah? But but I yeah, I got by doing that
naturally before I heard the lawyer on the rathiaf anyway,
So yeah, I'm probably bit like you guys, I thought
back of this.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Just talk us through this depth again. Sorry level.

Speaker 16 (53:10):
Yeah, well, I don't know if he necessarily said that,
but I've debated it with enough savvy people that they
would definitely do this. You take a photo of your car,
so you've got you know that the ticket. You take
a photo of your car with the ticket in the photo,
if that makes sense, so you can see that you're
maybe twelve minutes over, so therefore you've got proof that
you're back at the car. It's not like it's three

(53:31):
airs or something silly. And then you wait for the
fine to arrive. Once it does, you don't muck around.
You just simply dispute it. But you offer them for
what Because I mean Essentially, they're charging you for losses,
and so they've lost down in that particular instance two
dollars fifty, haven't they, Because it's ten dollars an hour.

(53:51):
You're fifteen minutes over, so quarter of ten dollars is
two dollars fifty. So you would you would write a nice, sensible,
non emotional reply to their ticket in an email or
however you would do it, and you would be going,
we've missed out in two dollars fifty. As a good
will gesture, will offer you ten dollars, which means that
you're being recompensed for one hour. The eighty five dollars

(54:15):
or one hundred and twenty dollars or whatever it is
that there wanting from you is disproportionate to the loss.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Makes a lot of sense because it is it's been
reasonable on their genuine loss of income because they've got
a business they're running. But this idea of an infringement
notice which means nothing at one hundred and twenty bucks,
that is not reasonable if you're six minutes over, that's right.

Speaker 16 (54:37):
Yeah, it's a gotcha moment, and they will just simply
walk from it. They won't. It would be incredibly unusual
for them to meet you in the disputes tribunal because
that's essentially what you're saying. So Baycorp or any anyone
will not pursue that because you've said this account is
in dispute.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Wow, Okay, I'm definitely going to try that and neve
all next time.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
That is a great tip.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
I'll try it and I'll get back to you.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Hey guys. A couple of months ago, we drove into
the city first time for four to five years. This
is Auckland's CBD. What a mess. Even the GPS was
confused getting us there. On God, the GPS really struggles.
Google Maps and Apple Maps really struggle with what's happening
in the city of Auckland moment. A while ago, we
got to take it for one hundred and fifty dollars
for driving through a special area which was described in

(55:21):
a very long paragraph. On our way home, we saw
no signs, so we emailed read this, but no, still
had to pay the fine. A bit tough, I think
regards Sue.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
Thank you very much for that text. And you're not wrong.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?

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Speaker 4 (56:39):
So when it comes to parking fines as technology making
things fairer or just faster at catching us out, love
to hear from you. Nine to nine tools the text number.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Jane says, Hi, Tyler and Matt. It's Matt and Tyler
actually official name of the show. But I will accept that,
all right, low that one through. Yeah, Hi, Tyler and Matt.
I understand the one second ticket. I feel a five
minute drop off and pickup zone must be very close
by if everyone stopped there to pick up collectively, it
must drive a cafe in customers nuts, say fifty two

(57:08):
cars pulling in out fast cause accidents. I would feel
like I was trying to enjoy a coffee with a
friend in the middle of a racetrack of cars. Pull
up doors, open doors, slam close, and the next pulls
up walk down the road. Okay, Sorry, that one's just disappeared.
Moving it over, so many texts coming in, I'll just
get to the end of it. Sorry. I would feel

(57:31):
like I was trying to enjoy a coffee with a
friend in the middle of a racetrack of cars. Pull
up doors, open doors, slam close, and the next pulls up,
walk down the road for a pickup. Good for you, Jane, hmm.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
I mean, arguably that's better for the cafe if you've
just got rolling cars actually doing what you should be doing.
Five minute pack up or less, get out there, get
into the cafe and then roll into the next one.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Surely there's more, but those fifteen minute ones aren't in
front of cafes. They're in front of dairies. Yeah, so
they put the really short ones in front of places
where you're in and out to keep people rolling through
because you know, I totally understand that kind of enforcement,
because a dairy doesn't want three people there all day,
you know, and that doesn't help anyone. You want people

(58:13):
there and on there and on there and on buying
and going and getting their rubbish and getting out exactly.

Speaker 11 (58:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
But a bang butter boom, And if I was caught
out using it for more than five minutes, I'd take
the hat as long as it was a human.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
That God, I'm not against that. I'm not against that.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Yeah, Gary, you've got an unusual ticket.

Speaker 18 (58:29):
Yes, I'm up way up in the king Country and
I've got a use and it's red and next thing,
I got a ticket and you know where it come
from Wellington, right, Well, I'm sorry to say, I haven't
been down to Wellington for thirty five years. So what
I did was I went under the post office and

(58:52):
I said, this is not mine. And they said, you've
got your number plates blah blah blah. I said, correct,
it's your vehicle read. I said correct. And you know
what it was. I went into the post office and
a nice thick it is not mine. I haven't been
down there for thirty five years. So they found out

(59:16):
it was a vehicle that was red now mine the
youth with number plate blah blah blah. And this car
had the same number plate as what my track did.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
How does that work going you don't have the same
number plate, it might be a similar looking vehicle, but
it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
It was a station wagon and they had the same
number plate. Well that's a huge issue and you need
to take that right to the top because if someone's
impersonating your number plate, that's a serious crime.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
That's right.

Speaker 14 (59:47):
And my vehicle is a.

Speaker 11 (59:50):
What are we two man's to you lovely?

Speaker 18 (59:54):
And I said, hey, this is not mine, but this
vehicle had the same number plate as what my track did.
And I hadn't been off my farm for a week
or so or whatever. And by the way, I hadn't
been down to whelms And for thirty four years. So
I said, you'd go and sort this out, because someone's

(01:00:14):
got the number plate of my track.

Speaker 9 (01:00:18):
You that's got the number.

Speaker 18 (01:00:22):
Plate which them bought it brand you know, it's pretty
near brand new, and I never will sort this out.
Don't worry about it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
So, yeah, that's concerning Gary, that is very concerned. I'm
sure they would have sorted that one out. Yeah, I
mean it's very left field. There's got really nothing to
do with at and the crazy old I remember when.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
I was a kid, there was a there was a
TV show called Chips and someone and someone invented a
number plate that spun round. It had four different number plates,
and they could commit a crime and they press a
button and it would it would flip round in another
number plate. But Punch and John solved the mystery because
they got flipped around to someone else's number plate that

(01:01:03):
they investigated and they could tell it was the wrong
car and they got them.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
They got the man in the end, So this could
be happening to Gary. Gary, good luck with that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Mate, someone's running the Chips number play. There has a
little button that flips around to a different number player.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Go watch that episode against some Tips.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
That's a terrifying conspiracy that's going on to you, Gary.
It might also be aliens, yep, could be.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
Hopefully you sort that out, Gary, but thanks for giving
us a buzz headlines with Raylene coming up, then we're
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Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
Thank you very much, Raylane.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
I might have been a little bit dismissive of Gary.
I thought that this kind of thing just didn't happen.
But a bunch of people are texting in and saying
bogus number plates floating around cars that look very different
from their own with getting speeding tickets in towns they
haven't been to. Yeah, I'll apologize to Gary.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Sorry, Gary, I thought at the bottom of there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
My only explanation. I came up with shape with shape
shifting aliens, but it looks like it's quite a common
thing apparently. Also, someone here says that didn't Night Riders
number plate flip too. Yeah, Kid had a flipping number
plate as well, but he was on the side of good.
Michael Knight and Kit were on the side of good. So,
you know, unlike the bad guys on chips. If it's

(01:03:37):
happened to you by all means ticks through nine to
nine two, that's really concerning it is. I'm sure I
don't need to tell you guys. There are lots of
bogus plates out there, so to people, how are the
people doing it? Are they are they are they just
putting a sticker over the plate or are they printing
up at your proper bogus plates?

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
Yeah, so it must be a similar car, right because
if they do that and I've got a sticker or
a bogus plate, then they get a fine and it
pops up and it's a different vehicle. That kind of
stops right there, doesn't it risky.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
If you get pulled over by the cops and if
the plates don't match the look of the car. So
in that case, if it's if it's a ute and
not a yute, then the cops are going to get
pretty they're gonna get pretty angry. They'll get very angry.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
And I got it right there, a bit pretty finy
h Jane.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 19 (01:04:29):
Thank good?

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
How are you very good?

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
So?

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
What are you reckon about the parking tickets?

Speaker 19 (01:04:33):
Well, I sent the text. I just think, for a start,
it won't have been one second unless they're wiggle their
no's and managed to get themselves like what's in apple.

Speaker 6 (01:04:44):
Which to it?

Speaker 19 (01:04:45):
It's annoying when you you've got people coming and going,
people coming and going, when they could actually get onto
their feet and walk down the road to pick somebody up,
unless there's a wheelchair or something involved. And if there was,
I don't know. You've got a wheel bee, you can
put your wheelchair thing up. I don't know. But I
just think that anywhere that can't walk a little bit

(01:05:05):
further to organize their pick up, not right outside cafe,
deserves the prefet Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Well that's not very nice, is it, Jane? So I mean,
so so you think that people should be pinged, Like
if there's a park in front of a cafe, you
should think that they should be pinged just because they
didn't walk. You don't know where they're coming from.

Speaker 19 (01:05:28):
What's there a proper park right outside the cafe? Well,
well just pulling as he said he did.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Well, what about the glorious moment when you get when
you get a park in front of the you know,
you get the dream park every now and then you
just get the dream park and you celebrate it.

Speaker 19 (01:05:42):
Well, yeah, you can do that, that's the way the
cafe wants it. But personally, we've got a lot in
christ Church where you can sit outside you feel like
cars are coming. It's only the only one car here.
Isn't the only one that would do that? And I
just think there if you go to a cafe with
it's been the New York to sick and have a
chat in peace and quiet, it's all really noisy in
those cafa So you sit outside and you've got a

(01:06:04):
cow whipping up, opening doors, slamming doors, putting children, cast
seats and got only that's.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Living in a city around other human beings. Like there
are plenty of places, there's plenty of places in the
country that you can go where there's no cars.

Speaker 19 (01:06:18):
I would just get irritated by things coming and going.
As only as what's passed the would be in christ
which I don't know. In Auckland.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
Christ Shoots, yeah, I will say christ Shoot is very
different to Auckland. But they're coming for you christ Shoots. Yeah,
you know they're coming for you as well, Jane, and
Jane's coming out against the coming and going. So a
cafe loves the coming and going. Yeah, you know, businesses
want people coming and going.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
They want people arriving, spending some money. Yep, driving off,
that's it, coming back, it's good for business. Get finding
the dream part.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
You want them smashing through one by one and more
people in the car there better.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
And if you live in cities, you're going to get
people coming and going. Yea that people come and go
all over cities. That's what they do.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
Do a right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
One hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call Sally.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
You're another plate was stolen?

Speaker 19 (01:07:09):
Yeah, something very odd is going on, and I just
thought that I would share it. My son has a
car that was part you know, safely in our garage
and you got a phone call from the police to
say did he own this particular number plate and what

(01:07:32):
is it called the number or whatever? And he said, yes,
that's right. It's in the garage. And they said that
in Auckland there was a car that we would assume,
you know, must have been pulled over or whatever, and
when they ran the plates on that car, it said
that it actually belonged to my son who we are

(01:07:57):
in the South Island. So yeah, we haven't actually heard
back from the police about that. We've tried. Clearly something major.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Going on, so that again, so.

Speaker 19 (01:08:10):
I don't astad of go into it too much, but
basically it does look like somebody can change their number
plate to a number plate of a car that is
not new, like a two thousand sustained car, which you
can't You just can't get your head around how that
can happen. So there's something going on somewhere, whether it's

(01:08:32):
that I don't know who does the number plates in
ZTA or whatever, something dodgy is happening with number plates
at the moment. And Auckland, I've heard that from the place.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
Wow, where we've tapped into something. To you, I had
no idea, I mean that I would have thought that's
a good use of this crazy technology, that that that
sort of thing can't happen, but clearly it is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Yeah, now what what happens if you if you're pulled
over and you have bogus number plates, like you've knicked
the number plate. I imagine that's a major crime, right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
Your stuffed at that point. Surely that is an instant
court appearance and maybe maybe even jail time will Certainly
there's a there'd be a signal magnificant punishment for that. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty if you know, if
you're with the police, love to hear from you, nine
two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
So yeah, So the punishment for faking number plates in
New Zealand are fine of five thousand dollars for displaying
a non approof plate that's a non approof plate, and
more self for penalties under crimes such as ten years
imprisonment for forgery.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
So it's a risky things.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
If you're going to get into fake number plating, you're
risking major, major problems.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Just to save on a seventy dollars five. I mean,
there's a risky move, right. We're going to play some messages,
but we've got plenty of calls to get to.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
I mean, if someone's going to rob a bank, not
the people really rob banks anymore. You know just in
you're already committing a major crime. Maybe you you you know,
you swapped the number plate just to put people off
for some period of time. But if you're just driving
around with a bogus number plate over a period of time,
that's a risky way to go about things.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
Absolutely, it is sixteen to three back very shortly. Smart cameras,
are they fear or they unforgiving? Love to hear your
thoughts back in a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Have a chat with the lads On eight ten eighty
Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons used talk sa'd.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
Be fourteen to three. We have been talking about the
use of technology when it comes to parking fines. Is
that fearer or just faster at catching us all out unfairly?
But we're kind of tapped into something about the old
license plate numbers being utilized and necked in all sorts.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
I've proven myself a naive judgmental wound dismissing Gary's claim
that there was another car driving around with the same
number plate as has so many people texting in saying
that this number plate flowed all over the place. Had
two mates with electric cars had their number plates stolen
and used in petrol drive offs. In both cases, the

(01:10:55):
petrol station chased them without even matching the plate to
the cars. Our daughter's number plates were stolen off her
car earlier in the year. We got them easily replaced,
and we also bought anti tampa screws from Bunnings so
the number plates can now not be taken off without
a special tool. That's a good good idea. My boss
got charged for doing a fuel drive off when we

(01:11:17):
roamed in on the provided image. When we zoomed in
on the provided image, we were able to see black
tape changing one digit right. I worked for the police.
Pretty common for people to steal number plates. Rear plate
was pinched and another one put on. Apparently this is
common use for petrol fills and drive off where the

(01:11:38):
security reads the rear number plate. Had to get new plates,
update regio, insurance, etc. Police took an interest. My new
plate must have belonged to someone else too.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
That's what I love about toolback. You know, you start
off with one topic and then find out there's a
hot bed of plate thefts going on in this country.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
I owe Gary a huge If you're still listening, Gary,
I owe you an apology.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
Yea, he deserves that. He sounded like a good man
and you just missed matter. I don't know what it
turns out. Gary, Why did I think it was so insane?
He hadn't been down to Welling for thirty five years.
So Gary, we hope you get sorted on that. One
O eighty is that number to call, Shelley. You've got
a view on that.

Speaker 20 (01:12:19):
It's not so much of you. It was an experience
which goes along with the conversation. About two years ago.
I was concerned. We live on a sort of almost
a one way straight and there was a car going
down really fast, approximately one hundred k's in a suburban area.

(01:12:39):
We have a local police station, and I went along
to the police station and I explained what was happening,
and he said to me, he was very helpful. After
a period of time, I was starting to take the
number plate down of this particular car.

Speaker 18 (01:12:55):
Two cars and.

Speaker 20 (01:12:57):
Anyway, I took them, went along to the police station
and it transpired because there was a drug some druggies
nearby which were well known. Anyway, the police said to him,
I said, oh, this is the car. It's now the
ex da da da da. He said the number plates
you've given me isn't correct. I said, look, I've double

(01:13:20):
checked it twice.

Speaker 21 (01:13:23):
He said.

Speaker 7 (01:13:23):
I said, how does that be?

Speaker 20 (01:13:24):
He said, what's actually happening? And this was about two
years ago. He said, people are getting number plates off
It may have been Ali Express or one of the
internet providers or something like that. And the fake plates.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
Well, how can that be legal? I mean, surely they
get stopped at the border.

Speaker 6 (01:13:48):
Well it's not legal.

Speaker 20 (01:13:51):
Well, it wouldn't be legal, but who's going to know.
So they put these false plates on which don't identify
with the car, but the car was well known in
the area. The guy's subsequently gone to prison for the
drugs and things. But yeah, he said, that's it's not

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uncommon far out.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
I mean, that is surprising, Shally. But it turns out,
you know, we're getting a lot of text and phone
calls about license plate theft and in your case, buying
them off ELI Express and TIMU.

Speaker 20 (01:14:25):
I won't say it was Eli Express or team, but
buying them offshore or something.

Speaker 9 (01:14:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
Not no, no, crazy, Well, good thing. It sounds like
that guy's in prison for another matter, drug dealing. But yeah,
that's crazy, Shlly. Thank you so much. For giving us
a call. We have a great afternoon. One hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Will be
back very shortly. It is nine minutes to three.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way, mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
NEWSTALKSB, NEWSTALKSB. It is six to three.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
I'm going to invest in. I can't believe I've missed
this entire part of the world, this entire thing that's
going on, this entire battle to keep your number plate safe.
Your local community patrol provide anti tampus screws for number plates.
Is this text we do this on behalf of police regards.
Terry from trentam cpn Z volunteer.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
Good people, but who would have thought it was this
crazy about.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
The It's everywhere. Yeah, there's people texting in just so
many examples of having number plate stolen.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
Anthony. We've got about ninety seconds. How are you?

Speaker 16 (01:15:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:15:33):
Good, Thanks guys, that'll be real quick. But yeah, I
had an incident maybe two or three months ago. I've
got a commercial truck or a small commercial truck, went
for a warrant of fitness, failed on a minor, I
really minor. Three days later I get a notice in
the mail from Auckland Transport doing me for having a

(01:15:56):
warren of fitness rather than the understanding get twenty one
days to get it sorted. But they did me for
six hundred bucks. This is resident residential Mount Eden, so
they I tried to argue it, but they weren't. They
wouldn't hear it. It goes back to your point before
about staying away from Reggio's and warrants. You know, it's

(01:16:17):
all about revenue gap gathering. It's by one of these
fancy it goes around with all that, with all the
equipment on it. And then last week I posted another
one for my other, my other commercial vehicle for not
having my registration and I got it. I got done

(01:16:37):
on Dominion Road outside the post office while I was
going in to get my registration. So that was two hundred.
So six hundred and two hundred they've got off me,
which has it's unbelievable. But I'd love to know where
they're going. Where they're just targeting certain areas where they
know that people will pay the fines. Are they doing

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this in South Auckland.

Speaker 14 (01:16:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:17:01):
A lot of money.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
Yeah, a lot of money, one hundred percent. I mean
councils should stay away from the ridge's and warrants, not
their jurisdiction.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Oh yeah, dirty, Look, so let's finish up this chat.
It's been a good, good chat. But I think deploying
these cars and texts against us removes that friendly cat
and mouse that used to exist between citizens and their authorities,
the unspoken rules of fear competition between us. If they
go zero gray area and uncongested areas and strange times

(01:17:31):
of day, then you can't help but feel that they're
treating citizens as a resource to be farmed for cash.
And if that's the case, if they're going to go nuclear,
then maybe we should push back and ask some questions
about do they have the right to charge us to
park on our own roads and streets that we paid
for our taxes and rates to start with?

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
Nice said, Yeah, beautifully said, And what a great conversation.
Thank you to everybody who called and text on that one.
Coming up after three o'clock. One issue down for you,
Matt Heath, Well maybe, but another issue popping up for
you when it comes to open plan living.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Yeah, do we need to live in these cavernous and
house arrangements.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
That's coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
You're on New Home for Insateful and Entertaining Talk. It's
Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
Sebby, Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the program.
It is six past three. This is going to be
a great discussion. It's a bit of a personal situation
for you, matt You're about to start some redos.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Well, yeah, potentially, Tyler. So I'm moving into a new
house at that at the moment, and I was looking around.
I was thinking what I want to do here, and
I want to know, fix up the kitchen, fix up
bathrooms and and just sort of you know, sort the
house out, freshen up, spruce it up a bit. It's
a bungalow and you know it's it's a solid place,

(01:18:52):
but it's got sort of a few different little rooms
here and there in places that you might not put
them in this day and age, yep, people used to
put things over in a corner that have a little
room here whatever.

Speaker 11 (01:19:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
But a friend of mine was out having a look
at it with me yesterday and he's great New Zealander.
This friend of mine and fantastic guy. But we're looking
around and we're talking about what was you doing? He goes,
got to move that wall, Move that wall. They're got
to move that back. You don't want to open that
all up out on the deck. That's got to go,
you know, you want to have much space there, yea.
And I was thinking about it, and this this stressed

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me out a little bit actually, because I had a plan.
I was like, we'll just fix that bathroom, fix the
kitchen up, you know, make it nice. But now I'm thinking,
do I have to gut the entire middle of my house?
Because that's what people do these days. Yeah, you know,
anytime there's a reno, it's about gutting all the all
the back of it, leading out into the into the
back deck indoor outdoor flow. But why do we need

(01:19:47):
to gut the middle of our houses out and make
these big, cavenous kitchen lounge areas with all this outdoor flow.
Can't we just I don't know. I was thinking, can
we bring back the little areas, the small rooms, you know,
the more zones the better. What's wrong with what's wrong
with living in a little bit of a maze? What's
wrong with the hobbit hole, the little holes. Why do
we all need to live in foo food courts?

Speaker 11 (01:20:09):
You know?

Speaker 18 (01:20:10):
Why?

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Is that just the way everyone goes Now? I was thinking,
maybe I want a house with lots of little nooks
and crannies, a little quirky, little weird and efficient bits.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
It's such a good question. I'm glad your questioning of this,
because I've never thought about I mean, it's just a key.
We think that you love the open plant that these
days apparently you should have the lounge in the kitchen
opened up, give a bit of space, give it some
breathing room. And I've always just accepted it that that's
the right thing to do for some reason. But you're
so right. What happened to even a little private little

(01:20:41):
room that you could jump into?

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
We get these fashions and then there's no way to
do it, And then some looking at my house going
have I really renovated it if I haven't turned it
into a massive cabinous area where the lounge in the
dining room in the kitchen all merge into one without
any weird rooms off the side. But having zones in
your house house is quite of cool. If you've got
like one of your kids sleeping in a room that's

(01:21:02):
over one by a bathroom that's near a laun tree
that's behind a wall, and you could clear that all out,
but then your kids kind of just their room just
opens up onto the main area.

Speaker 4 (01:21:13):
There's nowhere to escape. Yeah, it's all open.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Yeah. This text has said this is about women not
being locked away in the kitchen cooking. It's about involving
them in the family, not servants hidden away. So I
guess at one point the kitchens were small and in
a different part of the house and it wasn't very
social when you were cooking, right, Yeah, that was part
of the reason that people opened it all up. And
I know the French think it's disgusting cooking in an

(01:21:38):
open area like we do here. They would prefer you
had an open toilet and someone just sat in the
lounge on the toilet then cooking there. It's just a
different way they look at it. And I can kind
of get that that it's fun for the cooking and
entertaining to be all in the same place. But this
person says, I've never liked open plan living. It's terrible

(01:22:01):
if you're trying to watch a show and all you
hear is pots and pans banging around. Just have a
bigger kitchen with a dining room attached, and some are
stills in it for when you want company while cooking,
and add a small TV on the kitchen wall.

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
Exactly. I mean, we had an open planned situation down
in christ Jute, and I just accepted it for what
it was. But I got quite annoyed if I was
doing the cooking and there was all this ruckus going
on in the living room. But now you've seen the
new place we've just moved into. There's a separate lounge. Ah,
it's a dream.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Then you're running knocks and crannies up the wazoo with
funny little rooms everywhere, and you love it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
I'm finding a new cubby hole every day.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
It's so good. Andrea says it's all about light, and
she also makes the point about woman wanting to be
part of the environment. I would push back on that
a little bit, Andrea, because I every single dude I
know does a lot of cooking.

Speaker 15 (01:22:48):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
I don't think I don't know a single friend of
mine who's running a marital situation where they're just locking
their partner up cooking.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
For them Yeah, times have change drastically. It just doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
It's fifty to fifty and a lot of relationships that
I know the men are doing more cooking than the woman, yeap,
but also my partner she's she was saying she would
like to just be doing a baking in a sort
of sealed off area without having to be punished.

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
By my sport in my terrible chat. Yeah exactly, because
if she's.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
In the same area with me cooking, then I'm just
going to be putting my head around the corner, like
talking about baseball, you know, or just you know, ranting
about something I've seen on YouTube.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
Yeah, Tracy needs a break. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. So have we taken
open plan living too far? Are our homes now so
open that there's just nowhere to escape?

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
To get your thoughts on this one. The tyranny of
open plan living.

Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
Is the text number. It's twelve past three US talks'd
be very good afternoons. You So have Kiwi Holmes lost
their privacy in the name of this modern style open
plan living? And do we need to bring wolves back?

Speaker 15 (01:23:54):
Wait?

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty. Bring Back the Maze,
Bring Meet the Maze, Bring back back in.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Greg. Welcome to the show, guys.

Speaker 22 (01:24:05):
I'm handing me in and I've worked on a lot
of houses, but doing our own renovation, we hit to
do something because the kitchen was tiny. But everyone was
telling us knock out that wall or knock out that wall,
but we said no, and we we keeped the lounge.
We actually made the lound smaller because I stole some
for an non sleep on the bedroom on the other side.
But we're so glad that we didn't just open it

(01:24:26):
up because we still have a kitchen and a dining
room attached with the breakfast bar in between that we
you know, I can, by the way, I do a
lot of the cooking too, and we can chat. You know,
we can chat if we need to. But also I
can take kids into the other room and everyone can
have a little bit of private seat. And yeah, these
open fans places.

Speaker 23 (01:24:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 22 (01:24:48):
I don't know if it does suit me on one
thing I did with my appearents are looking at downsize
and we've looked at a few homes up me and
there was one really cool house that was completely open
plan but you could divide it up with these huge
bipold doors.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Yeah, so good, yeah, good.

Speaker 22 (01:25:07):
So you could hear entertaining with the wall open and
it was one giant room, or you could cut it
into three with these giant doors.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
And see that's that's good because because you're kind of
the full open plan, you've only got one choice of
how it is. That's great if you are entertaining, but
then you know when you when you're actually living in
a house and someone's wanting to watch sport in one
room and someone else is trying to cook and they're
making some kind of horrifically stinky food, then you know,

(01:25:35):
sometimes you want to you want to bat in the hatches.

Speaker 22 (01:25:38):
Yeah, and it's also in the woods. You can shut
it down. Got such cheap of the heat, you know,
so yeah, seat pumps and stuff. That's sort of quite
yeah yeah for a room.

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
So yeah, yeah, just explain to me the old by
folding doors again. So it's effectively you set it up
that it is a wall almost that you can fold
fold back.

Speaker 22 (01:26:00):
And yeah, it was a giant ol giant l and
the head by folding doors that intersected into the middle
of like the the point of the LC you can
shut it down into three rooms lounge.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Yeah, yeap.

Speaker 22 (01:26:15):
When they went across the last panel, you would call
it acted as a door.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
Yeah, that's smart. Yeah, that does make sense. I've seen
them now. It's almost like kind of sliding barn doors
almost right, that comes right to the middle.

Speaker 13 (01:26:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:26:29):
Yeah, they concerting are out like a five five doors,
only got twofold. He's had about five or six. I
can't remember exactly because it quite a big you know,
the five bits of spend that they're going right across.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
So you have a very cold do you go that's
the best of both worlds. You've got the option. Yeah,
the sticks says, don't do it, Matt. We built a big,
beautiful open plan home eleven years ago, and now we're
having a giant barn door style put in there so
we can escape from the kids.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
That is in Yeah, great text. Keep those calls coming
through A nine oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
The text numbers nine two nine too. If you've done
Rehino's did you go open plan and instantly regret it
when there's no escape?

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Yeah? Is it time to go back to the knock
and crannies? Bring back, bring back the maze, bringa the maze,
the weird little rooms, the inefficient setup.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
Come on through. It is eighteen past three.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on used talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
Very good afternoon to you. So we're talking about our
fascination with open plan living in New Zealand. Is it
really that great? It's something you're having to consider at
the moment. Matt, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Moving to a new house. And I was around there
yesterday with a good buddy of mine, fantastic human being,
but he's he's he had some ideas and he just
suggested just removing all the walls, the balls, no open
plan living. And then I was like, Oh, that wasn't
what I was thinking. I was thinking about just having
a weird room off here, a weird bathroom there. You

(01:28:01):
had it all planned, a couple of hallways, one of
them going nowhere. Someone says here whereas it sounds to
me like you're looking for an excuse to spend as
little as possible in your renovation. Gary, there could be
a bit of that there. There could be Gary, you
might have seen through the matrix there.

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
That sounds like a budget blowout though, Steve, welcome to
the show.

Speaker 6 (01:28:24):
Hey you guys are you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:28:28):
Yeah, it's just reminded me of a house I lived
a years ago. There was a free storied house and
it must have had three different renovations over us by
and generated a lot of cooks and credit was the
weird house. Secret passive ways but all sorts of as
much deerwell. It had to scrunch over the b to
get through, but it was fully coped with a cape

(01:28:50):
rail that was propulated cheap bit off the ground, and
it was really cool. It was really characteristic. But I'm
over friends, lovely. I would have assumed they would have
admitted a judge deck.

Speaker 14 (01:28:59):
With what was that?

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
What was that last thing? Sorry, Steve, you've got got
we got Have you got a window open in your
car or something?

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
Where I am.

Speaker 24 (01:29:11):
Right, I'm hopefully for a jump deck and boil pointly
here for all the open plans of your house is
out there and every time anyone wants a.

Speaker 4 (01:29:20):
Coffee, Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah, the old squeaky
jug and you're right, I mean just that the pots
and pans clanging, and there might be a couple of
you know, bits of yelling going.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
On with the stinky, stinky smell of something, and you know,
sometimes there's some kind of spice cooking. I don't know,
there's accommodation of spices that can be cooked, and it
basically turns into mustard gas and no one in the
house can breathe.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
You want to be able to pull at least pull
the blast doors down for certain meals.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a able
to call if you've gone open plan? Do you regret it?
It is such a keyy thing saying just knock the
wall down, Mark, welcome to the showy, how're you going?
Very good? What do you reckon?

Speaker 11 (01:30:06):
No, don't do it. I think I'm with man. I
think he's got a really good point. And my point
is that, like if you're a couple or something like that,
and you're in a marriage, the whole house is the
domain of the woman or the white the kitchen, the
dining room, the lounge, everything, and like all the art work,
the whole nine yards, you know, and so at some
stage you need some peace and clients. So the other

(01:30:28):
thing is, I'm a builder, as well. And if you
see to start knocking out walls, what's you know load bearing?
What it starts to compound with west anything can be done.
It's a massive expense, so sometimes you've got to take
a practical approach as well.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Mark, can you explain to me as a builder, why
when you go to do a renovation of a house,
every part of it seems so much more expensive than,
proportionately speaking, building a whole new house.

Speaker 11 (01:30:50):
Absolutely one hundred percent, because I'm just doing one of
the line stuck in traffic in between jobs at the moment.
But it's because you've sort of got to make good
and nothing's plum level or square, so you're fitting joinery
into something. Yeah, right, I start one job I just.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
Fit at the door the other day is ever.

Speaker 11 (01:31:06):
So slightly out of plumb. It's adjacent to another door,
so the exact height to match the architravees, so they've
got to be scribed down so they don't look skinny
at the top and wider. It's so teaching, it's a
different art form. So yeah, it's that's why it's so
much harder doing renovations. And the other thing as well,
they usually charge up jobs simply because you can't really

(01:31:28):
quote because you don't know what really you're going to find.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
As soon as as soon as you open up, you
suddenly find out the foundations are blowing, that there's there's
there's something horrific living in the walls, you know, squirrels,
possums living in the walls.

Speaker 4 (01:31:42):
Sometimes out of side, out of mind is better.

Speaker 11 (01:31:45):
Yeah, absolutely, sometimes it is. But then you know you've
sort of got to fix things on the fly because
there's no point and we're doing half a job with
those things sometimes. And that's why it does sort of
start to stack up because you start one job and
end up doing it, doesn't just to repeat the most
basic of jobs that you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
So yeah, yeah, thank you for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
Yeah, it's interesting that that, you know, you know Mark
saying it turns all into one side of the relationships
domain or the other. Yeah. But as I was saying before,
my partner's like, I would like to be separated from
you as much as possible. Yeah, exactly, because you know,
I'll sit there yelling at sport all the time when
someone's trying to have a nice time, you know, doing

(01:32:24):
some baking in.

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
The kitchen piece and quiet.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Yeah, and you're just having like some rageaball jumping up
and down and screaming TV.

Speaker 4 (01:32:32):
I can see that. Oh, eighte hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call if you've done some Rehino's.
Did you go open plan and did it work out
for you? Or have we just got a bit crazy
about this idea of open plan living indoor outdoor flow.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
The six says death keep a random TV lounge separate
ours is at the other end of the house from
the kitchen dining area. We love it. Yeah, yeah, if
that's right. You know you want to be able to
and how far do you have to this idea that
you can't walk anywhere or open doors or closed doors,
like everything has to be so convenient to what you
won't use it. You need to just be able to
walk over there, sit there. Everything has to be opening.

(01:33:06):
What's wrong with opening and closing a few doors, walking
down a weird hallway to nowhere.

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
Jumping into we we we cubby hole, oh one hundred
and eighty some.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
Kind of hexagon shaped bathroom at the end of a
curved hall.

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
Now you're talking right, We've got the headlines Worth Raylen
coming up there we're taking more of your CALLSZ eighte
hundred and eighty ten eighty open plan. Is it something
you tried and all went horribly wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Oh, that's a getthold of Trump. Yeah, he's opening up
the White House to a bore room. You know, I
might actually give old Trump here ring and see what
he thinks whether I could take anything on from what
he's doing in the you know, the west wing.

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
It's a lot of open space. Twenty six past three.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
Youth Talk said. The headlines with.

Speaker 12 (01:33:49):
Blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.
Labor says it'll kick out anyone discovered to have leaked
its capital gains tax policy early over the weekend. It's
proposing a twenty eight percent capital gains tax on residential
and commercial property, but not the family home, farms, inheritances

(01:34:10):
or shares. The revenue would go into health, including three
annual free GP visits. The Prime Minister has put pen
to paper on an agreement to boost halal exports with Malaysia.
Police believe there are serious injuries after a crash that's
closed a section of State Highway to at Mangatatfari and
County's Monuco emergency services were called to the intersection with

(01:34:33):
Pinnacle Hill Road just after two thirty. More signs of
a slight employment turnaround with rising job numbers and a
zero point three percent rise and filled jobs last month.
That is well down on a year ago, but growth
is highest in healthcare and education.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Pickle ball?

Speaker 12 (01:34:52):
What is this billion dollar sport doubling in size every
year in New Zealand? You can read more at Enzet
Herald Premium. Back now to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
Thank you very much. Ray Lean. So from the kitchen
smiles to the echoing noises, open plan living, all that,
it's craw to be lovely your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Yeah, we're just discussing why do we need to get
the middle of our houses and make these big, cavernous
kitchen lounge areas with a you know, outdoor work outdoor
walking flow? What do you call it flow?

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Do?

Speaker 14 (01:35:24):
It?

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Is it time to like flip the script and bring
back the little areas, the small rooms, you know, the maze,
the hobbit hole. Why do we all need to live
in food courts? And I bring this up because I'm
just moving into a new house and I'm thinking about
what I wanted to do, which sort of raises another
question about reno's and this Texas makes an interesting point, Matt.
This is how to decide whether or not to do

(01:35:46):
a reno for the next three months, take the extra
mortgage repayments a reno will create out of your fortnately
fortnightly income and put it into put it into a
separate account. You'll soon know whether or not it's worth
it for you to do the reno or not on
the amount you're spending each month.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
And supplementary question to that, should you live in a
house for a period of time before you do the
the reno? Because you yes, until you actually lived there.
Because I go around to a lot of people's houses
and they've done these kind of little things in their house,
and then they go, yeah, we shouldn't have done that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:17):
Yeah, we should have lived in it for a couple
of months to figure it all out before we got
the hammering.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense because it sounds
all good on paper, and then you smash down one
of those walls and realize, what have we done.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
What I've learned from previous renovations is don't smash out
both bathrooms at the same time. Leave one active. Yeah,
that's a biggie.

Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
There a massive one oh one hundred and eighty ten
eight years the number to.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
Call Petulia, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
Hi, Hello, nice to chat with you. So this was
a few years ago that you had quite a big
kitchen and spent some time in it, but you had
some problems with your husband, who was quite a vocal
soccer fan.

Speaker 25 (01:36:58):
He's a crazy English soccer fan.

Speaker 17 (01:37:00):
Oh yes, yes.

Speaker 25 (01:37:02):
When we lived in Auckland, we had quite a big
house and we had a separate kitchen dying in room area,
which worked great for us. So he would be in
the living room shouting and whatever at the screen, and
I would be in the kitchen and cooking, baking. I
do a lot of cooking and baking. And we were
retired and moved down to Papamoa and we wondered, you know,

(01:37:28):
how it was going to work out, Because of course
open plan living is the thing now, and because we're
used to being separate, we decided to go for a
house that has pocket doors, which you get the best
of both worlds from. So when the doors are pulled together,

(01:37:50):
he's got his longe area and I've got my lovely
big kitchen and when we've got the family round, we
open them up and there's this great big space.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Are those Are those blast doors sound proof enough to
keep the you know, the enthusiastic sports fandom out.

Speaker 25 (01:38:07):
Absolutely, they're brilliant.

Speaker 15 (01:38:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:38:10):
I think you have the advantages of not having physical
doors to push, you know, like having handles to push
and open and because that takes up space, but then
you have almost like a double door space there, so
it makes the kitchen and the lounge seem as if
it's all in one, but obviously when they're pulled together,

(01:38:33):
they're closed. It's a huge area.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
Is it a big key we thing?

Speaker 4 (01:38:38):
Petunity you think when it comes to open plan? Is
it just kind of this weird thing we decided one
time as a nation their open plan is the way
to go, whereas other places around the world, the UK,
for example, I don't think that's so much into open plan,
are they.

Speaker 25 (01:38:52):
No, that's absolutely right. We've just come back from the
UK actually, and my sister lives in an old Victorian
house and they've done the house up, but they have
a kitchen, a living room and a dining room. It's
quite separate and very happy. I mean, my husband and
I a musicians as well, and he plays a trumpet

(01:39:16):
and I played the piano, and so all our married
life we've had to have space where we can have
instruments in our house and practice, and so it's been
really important that we have separate spaces. But where we
are now it's just work perfectly for us. And we
both recently retired, so we spend a lot of time

(01:39:39):
together for a lot of time separate at the same time.
It's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Well, you need that, you know, you need you need
your calm down space. You need to be able to
just you know, appreciate your time with someone rather than
having them up in your face all the time. Thank you,
called por Trulier. It's funny. I was just looking at
a thing about England and that there's this article he
is saying about in England and people are moving away,
saying the walls are coming back, people are moving away

(01:40:05):
from the open play loving and people are moving back
to more nooks and crannies and such. I mean, it's
difficult over there, I mentioned in terms of the heating
and such. Welcome. Oh Bruce, Yeah, you're timely, open hand,
open plan living and heating.

Speaker 14 (01:40:23):
Yes, so I'm a refrigeration engineer by trade with some
building experience, and they have lived in a large Californian
style house, more recently a split level house and now
an older weather board house with small rooms. And something
that you need to consider depending on where you live

(01:40:45):
in my opinion, is the heating system you wish to
maintain a comfortable house after you've just spent you know,
fifty two one hundred grand on your operations.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
Yes, so if you if you open up a house
and it's a modern situation and you've got all the
double glazed window windows and stuff, you know, a modern
house can be large areas be heated and hold the
heat pretty well. Now though, can't they bruce?

Speaker 14 (01:41:13):
They can? But it's about heat transfer.

Speaker 11 (01:41:16):
You know.

Speaker 14 (01:41:17):
Heat pumps are a popular form of heating, but a
struggle to get you know, the space above the door jam.
You know there's two foot of space there where heat
can't move between room between rooms and heat heat rises.

(01:41:37):
So unless you have a heat transfer type system like
was popular when we all had love fires, you have
to put in you know, multiple heat pumps or adducted system.
So a high wall low wall air conditioning system you
can get you know, for probably under five thousand dollars,

(01:42:00):
but if you go to adducted system you're talking you know,
ten thousand dollars plus. So it's depending on where you live.
Of course I live in christ Church. You need to
consider your heating system and what's going to be economical
for your pocket. Do you have excess to fireworld, are
you looking at a heat pump? And how do you

(01:42:21):
want to what sort of heat do you want in
your bedrooms? Any or none?

Speaker 4 (01:42:25):
Yeah, it's a great point because our place down in
christ Church open playing kitchen and lounge, and during the
course of this conversation, I've decided I hate it and
the wall needs to go back up. But it's a
palette fire that has to be in that area because
that's the only thing that heats it up properly. Is
that we don't actually have a heat pump in there.
It's just the palette fire. So then when it comes
to those warm Canterbury summers, we kind of bug it.

(01:42:48):
There's nothing to cool it down, so it's almost you know,
it's become too complicated to sort out that open plant
part of the house. With a back part of the
house easy as just a heat pump sorts it out.

Speaker 14 (01:43:01):
Yeah. Yeah, just thrown into the conversation because it's something
that's often overlooked and ill stick to burners a last
minute decision and as I say as a refrigeration engineer,
they need more open areas to function.

Speaker 4 (01:43:21):
Well, yeah, Bruce, thank you very much for your expertise.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
This is interesting hugely. It depends on who's living in
the house. You only have to look at the reversal
of this government's open planned classroom. Mostly it didn't work
similar to their homes perhaps regards Chris, Yeah, I mean
that's that's that's a good point. Is it more stressful
when everyone's in the same area and as a result,
your teenager teenage kid just stays in their room, as
opposed to if they could go into the lounge and

(01:43:47):
the door was shut and everyone else was hanging out
in the kitchen, you could come and see them for
a bit. It is it really that great for everyone
to always be in this you know, the whole wide open.
If you don't, if you only have one lounge and
all the kitchen, dining room, lounge are in one place,
isn't that kind of like open planned classrooms where everyone's
just stressed out all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:44:07):
It's just chaos. You're right, there's better for family dynamics
to not have the open plan that way, if the
teenagers want to come in and just have their own
space in the lounge, at least it's not their room.
It's a privacy.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
There's some tiny little booth down the end of the
hallway that's sort of with a half sized door that
they consider in by themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:44:24):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you've gone against the grain of open
plan Love to hear from you. Nine to nine two
is the text number.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Is it time to bring back the maze? Is it
time to go back to the hobbit holes? Are we
opening up and as a results dressing ourselves out? Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 4 (01:44:49):
They'd be afternoon to you. It is seventeen to four.
Have we taken open plan living too far? Are our
homes now so open? There's nowhere to escape. Love to
your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
The sixer says, hey, Matt and Tyler, I hate open
plan living. All the renovations of old houses look the same.
It's boring as yeah, great point Texter, Whereas this person says, Hi, guys,
I love open plan for home, work, restaurants, et cetera. Light, spacious, social,
so pleasant. I hate separate rooms makes me feel claustrophobic.
Can't work or stay in that space.

Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
And thank you for that text, Shames. How are you?

Speaker 9 (01:45:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:45:25):
Good, Matte? Are you doing mate?

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
Very nope, so both of us, how are you, James?

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:45:31):
Good good.

Speaker 23 (01:45:33):
I we bought like a nineteen to ten bungalo and
we opened it right up to the type and plan,
and then we had two young children and we're actually
looking at building in the next couple of years and
we're going to have an open plan space. But we're
definitely angering towards having like a small kind of media
room we can dump the kids and all the toys.

Speaker 4 (01:45:56):
That's a big one.

Speaker 15 (01:45:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
I think having the TV room separately to the old kitchen,
I think that that's a biggin. And again, I've got
the open plan in christ Church. Now I'm in a
place a rental lovely bungalow, got the the operate movie room,
which sounds pretty elite. It's just a lounge, the man,
that's a game changer, absolute game changer.

Speaker 15 (01:46:15):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 23 (01:46:16):
I mean the amount of times I've stumbled out of
bed at three am to get a bottle to feed
the kid and I've tripped over something and too many
times account So I can definitely see like the open
plan when you've got people over as a winner for sure.
But having that extra space, I mean, there's only so
many of the fodes of Bluey and once I've seen

(01:46:36):
them all.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Yeah, there's this thing. You know, you can love your
family to bits and you want you're devoted to them
and you want to do everything for them. You work
really hard to pay for everything, but you don't necessarily
want them up and you grill twenty four seven when
you get home. You know, you want to spend quality time,
not just sometimes just them being in another room by
themselves is good for them as well.

Speaker 4 (01:47:00):
Yeah, absolutely, thanks for call James, James, you're a good man.
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
of call? Open Plan Living?

Speaker 10 (01:47:07):
Is it all that?

Speaker 4 (01:47:08):
It's freaked up to be a very good So you
want to have a chat about heating for open plans
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
Yeah, open plans great. We've got the kitchen and then
what divides the kitchen as a wall, but it's still
very much open plan. There's no doors between the kitchen
and in the land's room. It's quite a big space.
And we have heat pump and gas.

Speaker 4 (01:47:31):
Right, so what's that has been flud?

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
Guests sort fluid near it's built and guests fire. Yeah,
very economical and you can also like guests when as
a pair cut.

Speaker 4 (01:47:41):
It's a good point. So is that one of those
new moderns kind of gas fires that it looks like
real flame and you've got the fake logs. Is it
one of those situations?

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
Yeah, it's not new. It's actually fid actually, but it
still looks you know, but yeah, we it just ignited
it like you would a barbecue and there you've got
your heat.

Speaker 4 (01:47:59):
It does look very nice.

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
Heats up the whole house everything. So it's all flame
and heat pumps only about twenty degrees. Still its heaps
up the whole house, right, recommend guests great?

Speaker 4 (01:48:10):
Yeah, And so the heat pump there's in the lounges
that so to cool things down if it gets a
bit hot.

Speaker 3 (01:48:16):
Yeah, yeah, I like the heat tub will turn up
when the guest fires on and once the heats tend
the guests far half the heat pumble cut back in.

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
I mean it sounds like it works pretty well for
yet feel. But I've got to say those guest fires
they are beautiful looking. But are they can you get
them with bottled or is it just reticulated? You know
you're going to go right back into the system.

Speaker 3 (01:48:38):
Bottles, but the bottle will last year? What if you
tread it right? We don't have the other on high.
Probably good three or four months. If anybody can better that,
let us know the interest of it. Yeah, you can
get a really good, good linked to time out of
a guest bottle. I'm not too sure at the cost
now we stored it when we want one.

Speaker 4 (01:48:56):
Yeah, it's good and they look beautiful.

Speaker 12 (01:48:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:59):
I think we've had two this year, two guest bottles
and that's so. Yeah, and what year is nearly over?

Speaker 4 (01:49:04):
Yeah, that's good value. Felt things very much impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
Thank you. Awful house house all of the above open
plan and also lots of separate space for children. And
grown ups. Yeah, I mean some people can have everything.
You can have a big, cavernous open plan area that
leads out into the deck and beautiful you know landscape lawns.
And then I mean some people can probably have a
spear little kitchen somewhere else in a spear little lounge

(01:49:28):
and a movie room like you, Dick Tyler.

Speaker 4 (01:49:30):
The Butler's Pantryeah, yeah, all of the above. It's it's
really nicely, I've got to say.

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
But I think I'm going to have to make some
decisions in my bungalow. It's not that big.

Speaker 4 (01:49:38):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you want to send a text, nine two
nine two. But if you've recently done Reno's the old
open plan, did it work out for you?

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
If you have a fifties house, get fifties furniture, enjoy
the style of the day. And remember those old school
kitchen cabinets are fast upperior quality than the cupboard crap
they produce these days. Yeah, but I think the fifties
kitchen is maybe just a lutable, too cramp for people
in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (01:50:03):
They were pretty small, Yeah, couldn't do much in those
little fifties kitchens. Yeah, yeah, it is twelve minutes to four.
O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty will take another
couple of calls. Next it is twelve to four.

Speaker 1 (01:50:14):
Back in the mint, the big stories, the big issues,
the big trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams Afternoons Used talks thet B.

Speaker 4 (01:50:25):
News Talks thet B. It is nine minutes to four.
So have we lost our privacy in the name of
open plan living? I eight hundred eighty ten Eightyes, at
number to call the sesss.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
Remember the English have their laundry in the kitchen, so
while cooking you can enjoy watching your skiddies getting clean.
That's perfect this from Dave. I've seen that a lot
in the UK. Is that just because the houses of
flats have lived in over there have been so small.
But that is a thing that you just don't see
in New Zealand. Someone having the washer and dryer in
the kitchen area and thank God for that. Well that

(01:50:57):
that makes kind of sense to me. Why because that's
kind of the stuff where you're doing all that sort
of domestic stuff and want to do it all in
the one place.

Speaker 4 (01:51:04):
But then if you got the dryer blasting, why you're
doing the court on blur? I mean there's a lot
of humidity in the kitchen.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
The court on blur. Do you make your own court
on blues? Or is the set of a McCain's packet.

Speaker 4 (01:51:15):
Yeah, well that's my whipping up the court on blur.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
Blase sirs. She loves it. I love a court on
blur to be honest. It is lovely. Malcolm, welcome with
the show.

Speaker 23 (01:51:23):
How are you going to go?

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
It's very good.

Speaker 26 (01:51:25):
Yeah, I've just done a we've got a lifestyle block
property but it says just a house. But I just
recently took out the wall between the kitchen and lounge
and dining room. Fairly big area, but we like it well.
One thing I was going to say is when renovating
these houses i've found and I've done a couple, I
just moved the kitchen to a totally different part of

(01:51:47):
the room. Two good things about that is the kitchens.
I've made my kitchen so they're not a walk through area,
you know, so the kitchens set, but you only go
in the kitchen if you want to go in the kitchen.
And I find out a lot better than how a
lot of houses are set up. But also the lighting.
You know, when you've got your open planning area, it's
quite amazing. I can have two ten what allied light's

(01:52:09):
going in our living area and you can use the kitchen.
So that's quite a freaky thing. And yeah, the heating,
I don't find that an issue. But we have a
separate sort of entrance area is quite big. In another
area I took another wall out of and it's now
quite a separate down So probably quite lucky there because they,

(01:52:30):
like you say, the teenagers like to hit their own space,
but they sort of stuck in their view gyms half
the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, moving the kitchens is a
good one, and you know, you can be functional, your
house can stay functional while you're setting up your new
kitchen as well.

Speaker 4 (01:52:43):
So where do you put the kitchen? So you've got
the rest of the house open plan, the lounge and
maybe the bedrooms in the hallways a bit more, you've
opened that up, and then the kitchen is kind of
on the separate part of the house.

Speaker 26 (01:52:54):
Yeah, well Willis was I if you can imagine the phone,
but the lounge was at the front of the house.

Speaker 3 (01:52:59):
Which I find ridiculous too.

Speaker 26 (01:53:02):
You know, why do people these older houses have the
lounge at the front facing the street. You really want
them at the back, which I did that to my
previous house back in the nineties. I built a new
louns on the back and the old lounges become a bedroom.
But yeah, I don't know, you've got a street and
all the lounges are facing the street, which is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
It used to be that the houses were designed to
show off basically, right, so you had that at the
front of the house looked amazing, and then you'd have
like a dining room and a living room at the front,
and then out the back was all this sort of
you know, the kitchen and the bathrooms and all this
kind of stuff. That was all about fronting, wasn't it.

Speaker 26 (01:53:41):
Back Yeah, but now you want to be able to
sort of open your runt slider up or whatever and
go to the back the backyard and be more private.

Speaker 23 (01:53:48):
You know.

Speaker 26 (01:53:48):
It's they're definitely all those old state houses and that
sort of thing around lower huts and that, well, they
were all landes at the front sort of thing. So
there's one side of the road gets the sun on
the other side doesn't. So I don't know where they're
based their theory on, but yeah, it's my little theory.
Or the kitchen, you know, movie kitchens. Another thing I

(01:54:09):
was going to say that, you know, if you if
you are renovating, get your full plan, you know, just
the full plan view of it, and then look at
that before you start cutting anything out, because do it.
You might do it for a modern house and you'll
find there's a lot less building materials used. But of
course you have foot beams and whatnot on the roof
usually when you're taking balls out.

Speaker 4 (01:54:30):
Makes a lot of sense, Malcolm, thank you. Yeah, kitchen
in a different area, you're Rachel. We've got about sixty seconds.
How are you?

Speaker 27 (01:54:38):
Oh yeah, yeah, my take on it very quickly as.

Speaker 21 (01:54:45):
About how the number of years have got just a
small nineteen fifty's house and it's great dining, living kitchen.
But I have a bit of an issue with it
every Sunday when the USC.

Speaker 3 (01:54:58):
Goes on the TV now is on?

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
Ye see, I.

Speaker 27 (01:55:05):
Cannot stand it. And so there's kind of no way
to go unless I go down to the bedroom end
of the house or I leave the house. And equally,
my husband gets really frustrated with the banging and crushing
in the kitchen because I like to potter around and
we also have our laundry behind couple doors in a kitchen.

Speaker 18 (01:55:24):
And.

Speaker 4 (01:55:27):
Yes I can, yeah, Rachel, thank you very much.

Speaker 18 (01:55:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
I think that that that overly enthusiastic sport watching leaking
into the shared open planned space is a problem for
a lot of people. And uh, you know, the way
I watch sport as a problem for everyone, not just
in the open plan area if we had it, but uh,
you know the neighborhood, and you know, just anyone on
a sports thread with me.

Speaker 4 (01:55:51):
Yeah, poor Tracy Man.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
Yeah, yeah, all right, thank you so much for listening everyone.
I loved our chats today. It's been a great old time.
The podcast will be out very soon. Here the dup
c Allen is up next. But Tyler, my good buddy.
Why am I playing the song.

Speaker 4 (01:56:05):
But yellow text? He counting crows?

Speaker 14 (01:56:07):
She?

Speaker 4 (01:56:08):
I don't have any idea And we've.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
Talked about parking for two hours in the songs is
parking lot? So oh yeah, beautiful, good choice, that's all.
It is, so lovely. June. Yeah, the Jody Mitchell versions
better though, anyway, anyway till tomorrow afternoon give them a
taste of Kiwi. Thank you so much for listening. You
seem busy, Will let you go? Love you.

Speaker 12 (01:56:27):
Heard a fucking

Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
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