Full Show Podcast: 05 November 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 5th of November 2025, unemployment has hit an eight year high and we took a deep dive into that - particularly the 15 percent youth unemployment situation.

Then, tales of crazy things you have seen on the roads.

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Hey are you great? New Zealanders?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Welcome into the podcast. Two three six four Wednesday, the
fifth and November. Guy Fawks Night Tonight, great show. Today
had a marathon chat about the unemployment rating young people
who cannot find a job for love nor money. So
some fantastic calls from parents and employers and all sorts

(00:39):
of really enjoyed that chat. Then we had a short,
sharp conversation about crazy driving on our roads. This is
on the back of you can still see it right now.
Just go on the Herald and have a look at
this video of this car driving down the motorway on
its rim Sparks are flying, it's swerving all over, spins,
out of control, debrigos flying.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's a pretty crazy watch.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
But that was a good chat, So good day, and
we'll do it all again tomorrow. Until then, download, subscribe,
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Speaker 1 (01:10):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talk
said me a.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Welcome into today's show. So good to have your company
on this Wednesday afternoon. As always, hope you having a
great afternoon. We hev you're listening in this absolute stunning
country of ours.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Big show for you today.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
And by the way, Matt's he is off for the week,
missing my mate, but he'll be back next week after
three o'clock. There's a great story in the Herald today
about outstanding walks and huts outside of the Great Walks,
And as many of you will know, the Great Walks
booking system gets put up or was put up a
couple of months ago, and gets sold out within minutes.

(01:54):
So if you want to try and do a Great
Walk over summer, you're probably out of luck. But the
story says you don't need to worry about it because
his apps actually a whole bunch of fantastic walks that
next to no people utilize over summer. And that's what
I want to have a chat about. So it quotes
the Bank's Peninsula tramper and outdoor educator John Hannam, who
says he actually avoids the Great Walks they're too busy

(02:17):
these days. He says, people get so fixated on those
particular walks that they are missing some of our most
spectacular country. He went on to say last month he
took a friend on the Three Passes tramp that's in
Arthur's past beautiful part of the country, and said it
was extraordinary mountains, pristine rivers, forests that haven't changed in
a millennia. And in the four days of walking they

(02:39):
met just three other people, and his friend kept asking
why this wasn't more famous. So keen to hear what
were the best walks tramps you did outside of the
great walks, and particularly in the North Island. I was
a pretty evid tramper when I was in the South,
and I haven't done much of it in the North.
So keen to hear where the great walks are outside

(02:59):
of the great walks, so to speak? And are the
words that is after three o'clock, After two o'clock, it
was like something out of a low budget action flick.
You can see the video on the Herald. Now this
is a driver in a stolen car raced down Auckland's
Northwestern motorway on the rim of a front wheel after
police set up spike strips. The chase ended in a

(03:19):
spin out, sending debris flying and causing chaos for other
drivers as well. And again you can go check out
that video on the Herald. Thankfully no one was seriously hurt,
but it is just the latest example of pretty wild
moments on our roads and motorways and particular cars going
the wrong way, things flying off of trailers, random road

(03:40):
rage incidents. They keep popping up time and time again.
So what is the most outrageous thing you've seen on
our motorways lately? It does feel like there's more and
more reckless driver behavior out there. And again I spotted
someone watching an episode of Friends on their phone while
driving down the motorway, which I just thought.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Was complete madness.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
So after two o'clock, I want to hear what is
the funniest, most bizarre or downright shocking things you've come
across on the road. But right now, have a chat
about the unemployment rate. It has edged up to five
point three percent. That is in line with economists and
the Reserve Bank's predictions. That's up from five point two
percent in the previous quarter. It does make it the

(04:20):
highest level since twenty sixteen. In total, one hundred and
sixty thousand people are out of work, twenty two thousand
of them having been without work.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
For more than a year.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Young people in particular, they are feeling that the hardest,
as they often do in a job market. Unemployments among
fifteen to twenty four year olds sits at fifteen point
two percent and thirteen percent of young people are neither
an education, training, nor employment. It also went on to
say many have actually stopped looking for work in our
returning to study, which is probably a good thing. If

(04:51):
you're not in work and there's an option to study,
then at least you're doing something right. But the squeeze
comes alongside regional disparities. Northland, Auckland, Wykartu they have an
employment rates above six percent, not looking so good for
the North Island, while the South Island regions they remain
below far five percent. So it seems to show the
more opportunities for jobs are in the South at the moment.

(05:13):
But that's what I want to have to talk about
over the next hour or so. Is this just the
painful end of the downturn or are we looking at
something deeper here when it comes to the job market,
How are your job prospects looking right now?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Have you struggled to.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Find steady employment if you recently lost your job, are
you one of those people sending out hundreds of cvs
to no avail? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
that number to call a nine? Two ninety two is
the text number? I mean, story after story keeps popping
up in the headlines, doesn't it. There was a story
last week about the Pup Puck golf owner who had
six hundred applications, he said, for a part time job

(05:48):
at as mini golf course. Then you hear the supermarkets
being bombarded with thousands and thousands of applications for low
level jobs. So is that what you're seeing out there?
And when it comes to the younger people, this clearly
affects you. If you're a parent, if you have children
who are just finishing school or university, how are you

(06:09):
feeling about the job market for them at the moment?
Are you seeing them struggle to find work and have
you had to give them extra support in the meantime?
Clearly that extra support is probably going to be financial.
If they can't find work and they need to stay
at home, there might be a bit of emotional support
as well if they've just finished university and they cannot

(06:29):
get not even a job in what they've studied for,
but any job. Keen to hear from you on oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. How hard is it
out there at the moment if you are looking for
a job and for your kids looking for jobs. And
we talked about this a little while ago, but the
idea of moving regions to try and rustle up any

(06:52):
sort of work, is that still a realistic possibility for
young people out there? It was common practice ten twenty
thirty years ago that you went where the work was
in a downturn. If you had to move regions and
set up shop, then that was what you did. And
we heard the story and the Ryal report last hour
about the job applications for orchards in central Tago. So

(07:16):
keen to get your your experiences on this. So e
one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call
and nine two ninety two is that text number if
you want to send an email. My email is Tyler
at newstalkzb dot co dot n Z. Keen to get
your thoughts on this, particularly from the children's side of things,
your children. How hard are they finding it to get

(07:37):
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Speaker 1 (07:42):
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Speaker 2 (07:52):
Afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
It is a quarter past one and we're talking about
the unemployment rate. It's edged up to five point three percent,
up from five point two percent, but it is the
highest since twenty sixteen. It was in line with what
many were predicting. But I want to have a chat
to you about how the job mark.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Has been for you.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
If you lost your job over the past couple of years,
how hard has it been or was it to get
back into employment O. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
And the youth figure of fifteen percent of fifteen to
twenty four year olds being out of work should be
concerning particularly the parents out there. So if you are
a parent and you've had a child who's recently finished

(08:29):
university or the finished school and they've been trying to
look for a job, what has their experience been like.
We hear time and time again that there are jobs
up in Northland digging up Kermita. There are jobs down
in central Tago on the orchards. Is it the fact
that younger people don't want to do the low level
jobs because we hear that they are out there. There

(08:52):
are many employers in some of those industries that are
screaming for good workers and they can't find them. So
is there an element there that perhaps younger people feel
that they are above those low level jobs that most
of us did.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
When we're at that age.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
When I finished school, I did whatever I could, whatever
whoever took me on, I would gladly do that work.
I worked in a fish factory, I worked as a laborer,
I worked in the orchards, anything to bring an extra
money because as a kid that was fantastic. I had
some extra money coming through for myself. So is it
a case that maybe young people just don't want to
do that hard graft anymore. Love to hear your experiences

(09:32):
on eight hundred eighty ten eighty And for those kids
who have just left university, it can be incredibly heartbreaking.
If they've spent four years doing a degree in something
that they have some passion about, then they get into
the real world and realize that perhaps the number of
jobs that would promise when they started that degree and
non existent. So what do you do in that scenario?

(09:55):
Do you go back to university to study? Do you
go back into some other form of tertiary education and
a trade love to get your experiences? On eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty plenty of texts coming through here.
On two Tailer. Unemployment was predicted by the Reserve Bank
to go to five point three and twenty twenty three
because of inflation caused by the labor government. That's from Jenny.

(10:17):
They certainly did anticippoint and anticipate there was going to
be a small rise in employment this quarter unemployment. Rather,
how about the government pauses immigration as soon as many
jobs our kids should have ie dairies, supermarkets, petrol stations,
cafes are now taken by foreigners. That's from a texta

(10:39):
their Hi Tyler, My university daughter just said how extremely
difficult it is to find part time holiday work this year.
Her friend has just taken a full time position over
the summer. No New Year's, no breaks, hard working kiddos.
That is great to hear, but that is part and parcel,
isn't it over the summer months, if you need to
bring money in to supplement university or tertiary education or

(11:03):
your general life. Isn't that a sacrifice you you kind
of have to make as a young person that if
it means you have to work over New Years and
even Christmas. I've been there, and I'm sure a lot
of people listening have been there as well. But what
do you say, Oh, eight hundred and eighty and eighty
is that number to call? Get a James, Hey Tyler.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
So I'm pretty fine if I graduated in twenty twenty
right as COVID hits all right, I have a bachelor's
degree in at of course, I got certific in it.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
It's dead.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
There's not a single job you sit everywhere you find
like senior jobs, but there is nothing for that entroleable position.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
So that's that's across it, is it? James?

Speaker 4 (11:44):
I mean there may be high end code of positions,
but I've been training code. I trained in a temper structure,
so you do network in hardware, I can't find anything.
I can't even find a job working in a store. Nothing.
I'm in Nelson. It's rough, man.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Oh it sounds you know, good on you for calling
up James, because that is that is pretty heartbreaking for
someone like yourself that I'm sure when you started that degree,
many people were saying, you're going to get into it.
That is the future of jobs and if you want
if you want a future, yeah, you want a future,
proof yourself at the future.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
It is where it's at.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
There was one point that I looked at doing it
on the side just in case, you know, things went
bally up for what I'm doing now and then to
come out of that and realize that they've been There
are no jobs out there when it comes to information technology.
That's a tough thing to deal with. But in Nelson
so Orchard work, I know there's been some trouble down
it at the likes of Sea Lord, which was a

(12:38):
big employer, Carter Holt Harvey of course, and Nelson as
well had to make a whole bunch of people redundant.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
So there's there's literally nothing nothing in Nelson.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Well, I mean I probably appliase I was. I had
a job. I was working at ZE for quite a
few years and they then close the story. I was
working at it and I've been unemployed since.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
Was it?

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Saidrurary I must have, say, for like sixty seventy job
at this point, nothing I had one interview.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
What about the idea of traveling outside? I mean that
is hard one interview after sixty applications and back to
the moving out of Nelson question, and just go back
to your CV. Are you altering your CV to the
job that you're applying for?

Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yeah, I certainly am. I mean we've been modified it.
We go for every single couple leader. Every CV is
custom made for the job. But I think it's a
case of these employment managers. They'll get two hundred applications
each time.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
So what's the answer here, jas, I mean, when it
comes to the amount of applications you're putting it and
as you say, employers are getting bombarded with various applications.
I mean, is it a fact that I mean, perhaps
they need to look at some sort of policy of
New Zealand citizens first and then open it up to
other people who want to come and work in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
Well, you'd hope that, I mean, that would be a
logical thing because as you mentioned before, you know you're
moving out of Nelson. But it's a global issue. I
talked to my friends in Australia. I talked to them
and Crosscher for America, it's no better. So if I
move out of here, I move away from a support structure,
all that kind of stuff, and then I'm mate on
Krosch it's colder, can't find.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
Drove the ear.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
So how are you living at the moment, James, Yes,
so you're on the job.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Yeah, I'm on employments and I'm trying to send my
parents house. I'm very privileged that, you know, I'm not
needed to I can stay my parents. It's great. But
there are people out there who you know, they're unemployed
and they're on the doll and they have to live
in awful, awful by houses on that kind of income.
I mean, what do they do?

Speaker 2 (14:30):
What does it do for the psyche being on job seeker?
For you, James, I.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Mean, you've got to stay busy. I've know before if
you just sit in your ass and do nothing, you've
become horrifically depressed because you have no money, you can't
do anything. So you've got to stay active, constantly doing things.

Speaker 7 (14:44):
Man.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
I feel for you, James.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
I mean, and you know, going back to it, and
I see this time and time again on various online
groups with people like yourself looking for work in it that,
as you said, those higher level jobs, and then they
expect a certain amount of experience in the industry. But
if you're entry level, there's no way you can get
that experience to get in to try and look at

(15:06):
getting those higher level jobs down the track.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
It's also a version when you talk about at especially
where the way of generative generator of AI has come through,
and it's hits it especially hard because a jenitor of
I I can write better code than a junior coder.
So these companies go, well, we don't care about that,
We care about this quarter. But what happens in ten
years when there's no junior people coming through?

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, And that is the terrifying part, James. I mean
that AI is going to affect so many parts of
the economy and jobs, no doubt about it. And as
you mentioned there, it is probably the canary and the
coal mine.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah, they're concuted. The scent of population will be unemployable by.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
No, no off their own, so we're too from here.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Question was ten percent?

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, we exactly keep going.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yeah, keep it going, hopefull best.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Well, I really hope you find something James, And because
you sound like a smart guy and it seems like
you're doing everything right. So all the best fee and
your job search and i'll tell you what you know.
If someone's in Nelson and they're listening to to James
and you've got something for them, flickers text and will
connect you up.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Does that sound right with you?

Speaker 5 (16:10):
James?

Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah, no, I'm treading no t I'm going to cross
the service. But yeah, yeah, I say yeah. And the
kids going through school it's rough. Do it is worth studying,
but be aware that you ain't going to walk into
the drive of your dream. It's just reality.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, nicely said James. Thanks very much for giving me
a call. And man, you can see how it's tough
for people like James. He's trained, he went to university
and he did a degree that many people were saying
at the time was going to be future proofed for
many years to come. And obviously AI has come along
and decimated that particular industry, but nobody's hiring. So is
that the experience you're having O eight one hundred and

(16:45):
eighty ten eighty If you're someone who's recently finished university,
are you feeling the same as James and Nelson love
to hear from you. Nine two, nine to two is
that you text number? Plenty of texts coming through. I
will get to a few of those in a few minutes.
It is twenty five past one.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Make Asking Breakfast.

Speaker 8 (17:06):
It wasn't too long ago that some people were saying
five point five and I'll never forget that. I read six.
When did that materially change? And do we think five
to two five three is about it?

Speaker 9 (17:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (17:15):
I think it's been a bit of realization about the
effects of basically participation in the workforce has absorbed some
as and essentially it's really come to the younger people
in particular, so as they've been I guess, first on
the chopping block as the economy slowed, a lot of
them have gone.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Back to school or stayed in school for longer.

Speaker 10 (17:32):
So they're showing up in the ranks of not in
the workforce as opposed to actively unemployed and seeking work back.

Speaker 8 (17:39):
Tomorrow at six am, the Mic Asking Breakfast with the
Defendant News Talk.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
ZB Afternoon to you, and that's what we're talking about.
The unemployment rate. It's edged up to five point three percent,
the highest in twenty sixteen. Important to note last quarter
was five point two percent, so not a massive jump.
But I think it's fair to say it has been
relatively hard for many people out there for some time
if they lost their job trying to find employment again.

(18:03):
If that's you love to hear from you, Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty And if you've got kids,
you know, young people who have just left school or
left university, how are they going in their job search?
The youth unemployment rate is at fifteen percent currently, which
is massive. That is many many young people out of
work who are work ready. They're good to go. They
should be in the workforce and earning money and paying tax.

(18:26):
But having fifteen percent not doing that, that should be
concerning to a lot of people. Nine two ninety two
is the text number. Jeff, how are you?

Speaker 5 (18:34):
How are you?

Speaker 9 (18:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (18:35):
Gooday?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Okay mate? And can you again?

Speaker 7 (18:38):
Good?

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Good for a winnesday? Can you get your thoughts about unemployment?

Speaker 7 (18:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (18:43):
I mean, I guess the thing that I find it
really frustrates me hearing these numbers. I work for a
medium to large employer. We employ over two and a
half thousand stuff and we can't find good people. We're
always on the lookout for good people, and we're not
looking for highly trained people. We're looking for people with

(19:03):
a good work ethic that want to turn up and
do a job. What are you frustrating?

Speaker 3 (19:07):
What do you do to just you can keep it broad,
But what does your company do? What sort of people
are you looking for?

Speaker 7 (19:14):
So we're just looking for good workers that want to
turn up and do their job.

Speaker 11 (19:19):
And every day we have a team of people in
the office that are ringing around because people didn't turn
up for their shifts, right, they just don't want to
work as a manual labor that is manual labor. Well, yeah,
you're on your feet. But there's jobs out there for
people that want to work, and that's the frustrating thing.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
So what does that say about when you look at
that youth unemployment rate of fifteen percent? Do you generally
think there's a lot of young kiwis out there that
don't want to do the hard jacket. They don't want
to put their head down and do some jobs they
think they might be above in the early stages like
all of us did. Jeff, I'm sure twenty thirty forty
years ago. We all did the jobs that were hard

(20:00):
yacker because you're young and you want some money coming in.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
And that's how you get your start.

Speaker 11 (20:03):
Right, Absolutely, And we've got some great young people that
come through the business that just want to get in,
you know, really sink their teeth into it and do
a great job, and they progress quite quickly through the business.
So there's opportunities for them as well. But I genuinely
think that there's there's a lot out there that think
they're above it, they're above just doing a hard job.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Are you Are you in one of the regions, chef,
or are you in one of the metros where we're national?

Speaker 7 (20:34):
We're national?

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Right? Is that a part of it that you know
you're here?

Speaker 3 (20:38):
James and Nelson who called through before, and no doubt
about it, Nelson has been hit pretty hard when it
comes to the job market, see Lords Carter, Holt, Harvey.
There's there's quite a bit of a downturn in that region.
But is a part of it that these you know,
younger people are loath to move out of where they
are to go to where the jobs are jobs I.

Speaker 11 (20:58):
Mean potentially, I mean there's there's jobs everywhere. If you're
looking for them, and like you said, we we all
did ship jobs when we were younger. Sometimes you've just
got to be prepared to do the work.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Yeah, nicely, said Jeff, thank you very much for giving
me a buzz with there you go. So two sides
are two different sides of this conversation. You had young
James and Nelson who was trained up in it and
struggling not just to get a job in it, but
struggling to get any sort of job, and then Jeff,
who works for a fairly large company by the sounds
of it, and they are screaming out for good workers.

(21:32):
They can't find them, and when they do take somebody on,
they don't bother to turn up in the morning.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
So what does he say, keen to get your experience? Oh, eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
This is a confusing part about it, right, And as
Jeff said, this is why a lot of people get
annoyed by these numbers, is that you hear the hard
luck stories, and there's a lot of them, and a
lot of them are very genuine, like James, for example.
But then you hear of those companies like Jeff and
say we've got the jobs just can't find the people
to turn up on a regular basis. It's that reliability.

(22:03):
That's what you want from a worker in the early stages.
I mean, you can give them a lot of a
lot of slack in many areas, but you need them
to turn up every day to do the work. But
what do you say, Oh, one hundred eighteen eighty is
that number to call? Headlines with ray Lean coming up?
Bag very surely.

Speaker 12 (22:20):
US talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's
no trouble with a blue bubble. Northern regions continue to
lag on economic recovery, with the unemployment rate hitting five
point three percent in the September quarter. Almost one hundred
thousand of the one hundred and sixty thousand looking for
jobs are an Auckland, Northland, Waikatu and the Bay of

(22:42):
plenty En Parks CEO is delighted the government's asking Auckland
Council for feedback on a plan to almost triple the
venue's annual concerts from twelve to thirty two. Police say
there are critical injuries after a two vehicle crash at
Gordonton and Hamilton's Outskirts at the intersection of Pukitaha and

(23:02):
Taylor Roads. Armed police have swarmed to central Wellington property,
blocking off web Hanky and Hopper Street. The witness reporting
seeing a woman and Demn arrested. Angati Pois Treaty Settlement
Bill has passed its third reading in Parliament. It gives
effect to parts of a twenty twenty one deed of
settlement for the Hodarchy golf Ewe rich List. Family tensions

(23:26):
resurface in Lakeland Queen Liquor Hearing. You can read more
at Enzaid Herald Premium. Back now to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams, thank.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
You very much, Railan. We're talking about the unemployment rate.
It has edged up to five point three percent. The
government is saying that this hopefully is the peak and
it will start to come down as the economy recovers.
I think we can all only hope that is the truth,
because it's been a long, slow slog through what has
been a terrible time. Let's be honest, it's been crap.

(23:56):
So hopefully that does start to come down. But no
doubt about it's been very tough for a lot of
people out there. But we've had a couple of calls
on different sides of this one. First we had James.
He's a young guy in Nelson. He's finished his course
in it, so he's got his degree ready to go.
Can't find a job in it because they are non existent,
but not even just it, he can't find a job
full stop in Nelson. Then we had a call from

(24:20):
Jeff and he is part of a very big organization
by the sounds of it, twenty five hundred employees and
they are screaming out for good workers was his choice
of words. Because they do employ people, but they're unreliable.
They only turn up for a couple of days and
then they never see them again. So somewhere in the
middle the truth lies. So keen to get your experiences. Oh,

(24:40):
eight hundred eighty ten eighty Are you more in line
with what James is experiencing if you're a parent and
you've had children who have just left school or university,
or are you more in line with what Jeff is
experiencing that it comes down to the reliability of current workers. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Quick?

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Couple of texts before we go back to the phones.
The massive growth of artificial intelligence must be having an
effect on our job market, surely say no doubt about that.
Have any figures and whether that is being measured, But
you have to say AI and the emergence of AI
is coming fast and it is certainly having an impact

(25:18):
on the job market. What exactly that impact is, I'm
sure many people are looking into it.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
And this one.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
The worst unemployment areas are the areas where we had
the extended lockdown for Auckland, for example. That meant the
businesses are playing catch up. Yep, fair point. And this
one here totally agree with Jeff. We are a small employer,
can't hire warehouse workers. Every time we advertise we get
one hundred people applying from overseas. People are desperate to

(25:46):
come to work to New Zealand. In New Zealand, but
kiwis on unemployment are lazy and entitled.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Get a Steve.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
Hi got a double degree in finance and bant mathematics
and I've try to get a job for eighteen months,
sent multiple cvs and letters out lot went to francial interustrictions,
et sexual banks, stockbrokers, boast of stop. Did them get

(26:15):
a response, Finally got a job.

Speaker 7 (26:18):
They've been employed based on the same.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Company for the last thirty years, so this is not new.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
Nineteen nineteen nineties during the Asian financial crisis when unemployment
was higher than it is now.

Speaker 7 (26:33):
It's a cycle. I had sort of pointing the finger.

Speaker 13 (26:38):
But the last twenty ideas the Williams who've only known
the good times up until COVID, the economy was doing
really well under both actually labor in national especially under
held in Clark and john Tes.

Speaker 7 (26:53):
That went downhill after that. But it's you know, and
now the complained about AI had taken their jobs.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
Where computers came in the nineties and displaced people, that
the Jenny came in and the eighteen ten seventeen nineties
displaced people.

Speaker 7 (27:08):
It's a matter of life. There'll be more jobs in
the AI environment than what they're losing.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
You'll see that people will be doing different jobs that
you haven't been invented.

Speaker 7 (27:18):
So understanding that it's life, you just go to get
through and through it. It's not the government's fault, can
per se.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
I mean, they don't help help much with the stupid
ideology policies, But at the end of the day, it's
a cycle that happens. Going to get through it. When
the finger is not going to work, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Look, there is I agree with you and the fact
that it is cyclical, and there's been big financial downturns
in the past, and I was affected pretty heavily by
the GFC in two thousand and eight, and as you
mentioned there in the in the nineties you had the
the Asian Financial Market crisis, and there were many more
before that, And that is, you know, a fair thing

(28:01):
to say that a lot of young people, if they
were too young during the GFC, and many of them were,
they might have seen their parents struggle a little, but
by and large they escaped for that. So this has
been the longest or the heaviest down term they've faced
in their lifetimes. And as you say, perhaps it is
this is hard at the moment, and things will get
better at some stage, and that's just the way of

(28:23):
the world that we have these downturns and push through.
But part of me, Steve, thinks this one is a
little bit different. It's longer, it's been harder, the promises
of green shoots have taken a lot longer than economists
than anybody else predicted. And then as you say, AI
coming in the midst of while we're just about to
get to recovery time and then have the threat of
AI hanging over us. I worry that this feels a

(28:47):
bit different this time.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
Yeah, a little bit different this time because what the
labor government did with their cash flowing and plating acidic prices,
with all the cash that they're pumped in the economy.
And prior to that, there was a property boom, stock
market boom throughout from two twelve thirteen when the markets
turned up to GFC right through it. I work in

(29:11):
the finance industry, and I see people being I work
literally a company receiverships. I don't I'm not a receiver
or a liquidator. I'm involved in that area. So I
see people losing their jobs left, bright and center. And
it's a hard thing to deal with when you've got
customers that have been made redundant of the company who's
gone into liquidation.

Speaker 7 (29:31):
And then you've got other people.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
Moaning bys and newses and TECTI e cecure that are
not going to pay rise. At least these jobs are protected.
So you're one side of the economy that are mining
about they're not getting paid enough. You have much more
people that are unemployed you know, you're always people, so
you know, some people have just kicked back and take
a stock of themselves as what I'm saying is that

(29:54):
you know, right's got their own.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
But now fair enough to steve and a lot of
people would agree with that, and you're not wrong. There's
been many financial downturns in history and in recent history
as well, and for many young people who are finishing
schoo leaving university, this will be the first one they
have faced, and they may face many more in the
years to come. But for me personally, the GFC, I

(30:17):
lost my job during the GFC and that was a
pretty tough time, but the rebound was a lot faster.
This has been a long, slow slog and that feels
like it's different. And you know, traditionally we have a
bit of a financial setback every ten to fifteen years,
and we're coming back up to that time. I mean,
God forbid things go pretty smoothly for the next few

(30:39):
years because we need it. But it does feel a
little bit different. Thank you very much for your call,
taking your experiences on this O eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. If you've been looking for a job,
how has the search gone. How many applications have you made?
And if you've got children at home they've just left
school of university, how are they finding it? It is
seventeen to two back very shortly.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
You're listening to new Stalk ZB.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
A fresh take on talkback. It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams
Afternoons have your say on eight hundred.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Fourteen to two.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
We're having a chat about the unemployment rate and how
the job market is where you are for yourself well
for your children. The youth unemployment rate has hit fifteen percent,
which is concerning or should be concerning to a lot
of people.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Get a rob How I'm good, mates, Kena on your experience.

Speaker 14 (31:31):
Yeah, I'm I'm located down on the Wayhadow and I'm
in regular contact with a lot of recruitment companies and
you know, the feedback from them is that there are
a lot of jobs that are available that they're really
struggling to find the right candidates. And I suppose due
to one of your earlier callers talking about, you know,
finding the right people with the work ethic right work ethic,

(31:53):
that might be part of the problem. But in saying that,
there does seem to be a bit of a rebound
in the.

Speaker 7 (31:59):
Market at the moment. There are a lot more jobs coming.

Speaker 14 (32:01):
Online that are available for people, which is encouraging, you know,
obviously in Hamilton, the fastest growing city in the country.
On the flip side of that, you were talking about
family experience and I have a daughter who's done an
innovation design degree and or find any work.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
We just lost you there for a bet, Rob, Sorry,
just just picked back up. So we just lost you
for a bit.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
You've got a daughter who's just finished an innovation design degree, correct.

Speaker 14 (32:30):
Correct, Yeah, And you know she's applied for many jobs,
and you know they want one to two years experience minimum.
They want four to five years experience, you know, for
those lead and graphic design roles. And you know, I
send her frustration in the sense that she you know,
how do I get a job to get experience if
no one's going to give me the opportunity.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Yeah, And that is I mean, that is the dirty
part of many of those industries. And I'm not saying
that you know necessarily they are doing people at your
daughter wrong, but you're quite right, it's impossible to try
and get experience to get into the industry. She's trained
for without somebody giving her a shot, and shots are

(33:09):
few and far between, right, Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 14 (33:13):
You know she's she has great work ethic and you
know she's got a creative mind that she just wants
to you know, be able to share and give them
the opportunity. I know she'd do a damn good job.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
So if they're asking for people with experience, and you've
got people like your daughter, she's trained in it, she's
got her degree, she's ready to go, but she just
needs someone to give her a chance. How are they
filling these positions? Are they filling them with people? International people?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
They must be?

Speaker 14 (33:39):
Well, potentially there could be, but yeah, I don't really
know who it is. You know, if there's you know,
not those types of qualified uh great, you know a
degree earners out there? You know who who is filling
the jobs?

Speaker 1 (33:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, but you know it's as a whole.

Speaker 14 (33:59):
The market's starting to turn down here in the way
auto and there's a lot more buoyancy in the recruitment companies.
But you know they have said previously they've really struggled,
you know, to find people to fit the job specific.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
It's good to hear. I mean Hamilton that is going
gangbusters at the moment. You know, that's absolutely yeah, yeah,
it's a good place Hamilton. People like to make fun
of Hamilton, but boy, oh boy, she is growing fast
and good to hear that they've got some jobs. But
so it's a great point Rob makes is over the
course of my career, people have taken a punt on
me or given me an opportunity, particularly in the early stages,

(34:32):
even for the manual work, when I knock on doors
and say, hey, did you have any work in the
laboring positions? And mentioned before there were some summers that
I just rang through builders to see if I could
push a wheelbarrow whatever they needed me to do. But
you're still got to have people to take a chance.
But I understand when you hear from people like Jeff
and they take a chance on some workers and get

(34:52):
let down and get burned, then that's the last time
you give someone a shot. Right If you're an employer
O eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty, are you still
willing to give young workers, young kiwi's a shot even
if they might not have the perfect CV. Have you
given someone a shot because you can sense that they've
got good work ethic.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Love to hear from you. We are a bit late.
We'll play some messages, but we've got plenty of calls
to get to. It is ten minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Madd Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty. It's Mad Heathen Tyler Adams. Afternoons, News Dogs.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
News doorgs they be. It is eight to two Helen
very good afternoons.

Speaker 15 (35:32):
Yeah, hello, Hi Tyler, thanks for taking my call. Now,
I'd like to stress what I'm going to suggest is
where practical right, But I feel that with some of
these outside jobs, it's just very unrealistic to expect people
to be anybody to be working outside in this terrible

(35:53):
heat that we have in the top of the top
of the day. Now I live rually. I've got a
few cattle. I used to work out, you know, work
outside during the midday sunt but I just can't do
this anymore. I'm a redhead, I'm no wimp. People can't
finding this is too hard. I've being written off as whimps.

(36:15):
Now when I when I was young, I went fruit
picking and mildua and we worked. We started really early
in the morning and then we had from about eleven
o'clock to about two or three or something like that.
We we didn't work right, but we did our social
life and stuff because we went to a group of

(36:36):
friends and then we worked again in the evening. Now,
in Mediterranean countries they don't work like this. They they
have they have it off during the during the day,
you know, they have a break in the middle of
the day. Now, I'm suggesting that maybe some of these
employers who are finding it hard to get workers might
like to take up this option. We're practical, just a suggestion,

(36:59):
but these can pictures now with the sun, it's really
really burning and hot. I've talked to people from Cambodia.
They say, the son's nothing like this there.

Speaker 16 (37:07):
You know it.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
If you're fear hered and red headed Helen, then that
that is tough. But I think, I mean it's fair
to say there's obviously health and safety operations in place
and regulations, so you know, the likes of Australia when
you go pecking pineapple and watermelon, clearly you can only
work on sooner hours of the day because it's too hot.
So if there are industries where it gets too hot

(37:28):
and it's not safe to work anymore. I'm sure they
will start to alter how those workers work.

Speaker 15 (37:36):
Yeah, And it was just a suggestion because nobody I
know works like this, you know, so they tend to
you get a contract, you and they work all day.
And I'd be quite happy for people to say that
we'll come back when it's cool. Fine with that.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
It's a good suggestion and fair enough to Helen.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
What I will say though, is for those entry level
jobs or your first jobs, it is kind of part
and parcel that you know it's going to be hard
yaker and it's not going to maybe be a job
that you want to do forever. But you've got to
dig in because at the end of the day, you
are getting money, and you were getting cash in the bank,
and that is a good thing when you're a young person.

(38:12):
And I'm not equating working at sea lords on the
fish line as being similar to working in the hot
sun and agriculture, but it was a pretty repetitive, hard
job to do, and the turnover in that particular job
was pretty high. There'd be many workers who would turn
up do it for a day or two, then you
never see them again because it was just eight hours

(38:35):
of doing the same thing over and over and over again,
which is tough mentally, but the pay was really good,
so I stuck at it. I did it for as
long as I could, until I got another job and
went back into education.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Because the money was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
And then you got to work Saturdays and Sundays, and
I was a rich kid as sixteen doing that god
awful job. And that's what you do when you've got
the agility and the physicality to do those sort of jobs.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Just my thoughts, though, what do you.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Say, oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty, We're
going to carry this on after two o'clock because so
many people want to have a chat about it.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
One a quick text to the news.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
I would say, because of the cost of living crisis,
more parents, mums especially are having to work and take
on these entry level jobs.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
I play.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
I applied for a school job and eight hundred applicants
applied as it was school hours, which was a fair point.
I think there are many more parents, younger parents who
are clearly both of them are having to work and
taking up part time positions there back in the day
may have gone to younger workers. But get on the phones,
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty If you
want to send a text more than welcome. Nine two

(39:43):
ninety two is that number and my email Tyler at NEWSTALKZB.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Dot co dot nz. Stay right here New Sport and
we're a fast approaching. I'll be back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Talking with you all afternoon against Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams afternoons Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
We'll good a tou welcome back into the show.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Great to have your company as always, and we've been
chatting about the unemployment rate that has edged up to
five point three percent. That makes it the highest since
twenty sixteen, but to give it some context, last quarter
it was five point two percent. The government says that
we are at the peak and it will start to
come down as we're seeing some green shoots as the
line that gets rolled out time and time again green

(40:25):
shoots in the economy. But it does seem that those
green shoots are starting to grow a bit taller and
we can only hope that we're starting to face the
recovery now. But we have been talking about the job
search situation for you and for your children. If you
are one of the one hundred and sixty thousand people
currently unemployed. How hard is it out there to find

(40:46):
a job? And for young people? That youth figure of
fifteen point two percent unemployed is massive, bearing in mind
that young people are at the start of their careers.
They're young, they're healthy, they're fit, they are ready to go.
They can do pretty much any job under the sun.
That is or should be a concern to many people. So,

(41:07):
if you're a listening right now, how hard is it
for your child, if they've recently left school or university
and they've got a degree, to get into the workforce.
So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call. Let's go back to the phones though, Steve,
how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 4 (41:21):
I'm good?

Speaker 7 (41:22):
Thank you you?

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, very good for a Wednesday. Can you get your
thoughts on unemployment?

Speaker 7 (41:27):
Well, first off, I want to say green shreets, so
the body catchphrases giving you one every couple of months.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah, you're right, we got to we've got to put
an end to the old green streets. We've got to
figure out another way to say it. Because there's only
been a week and I've heard it enough time to say,
give me strength, strength.

Speaker 7 (41:43):
Look I just wanted to say that the previous or
previous call of times too. He mentioned his door and
not being able to get a look and because she's
got no experience, don't we do trial periods anymore? It
was that covered under employment law. Once you've got a job,
you've got a job.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
No, the the National Coalition brought it back, so that
was brought back last year, that the ninety day trial periods.
So you're quite right, you can take somebody on. You've
got ninety days. If they don't work out, you can
let them go and you don't need to give a reason.
So it's a fair point, Steve. But whether that has
had much of an impact, I mean, clearly with the
downturn and there's a lot of factors of play here,

(42:21):
but you know, it's clear there's a lot of people
struggling out there. But that is an element for employers
to say, we'll take a punt on you and see
how you go.

Speaker 7 (42:29):
Exactly, and two young people, and I mean if they
work out, they work out. And if you go into
something with your eyes wide open and know that you've
got money days to prove yourself, you're either going to
prove yourself or you're not, you know what I mean?
It just seems like a good that it's still going.
That's all I wanted to say.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yep, No, good on, you're Steve good for raising that.
And Steve's quite right. They did bring back that ninety
day trial period. So if you're an employer, is that
give you a good opportunity to give somebody a punt?
You give them three months worth of work and they
don't work out, then you can give them a flick.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
You don't have to give a reason why.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
And on the flip side of things, I mean, does
that make you a bit nervous if you're looking for
work or if you're about to enter the workfel the
ninety day trill period? I mean, clearly that is good
motivation to do incredibly well. If you've been given a chance,
someone's given you an opportunity, you kick butt for those
ninety days and show up every day of course, and

(43:23):
show that you've got good work ethic and you can
maybe problem solve and you're going to be an asset
to that company.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
But I am glad they brought.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
That back because that does give employers some more confidence,
confidence to maybe take a chance. But if you are
a business owner, how often have you utilized the ninety
day trial and how has it worked out? If you've
given someone a punt, did they become a fantastic worker
or did they turn out to be a bit of
a doubt? Oh, eight hundred and eighteen eighty is that
number to call? A couple of texts before we go

(43:50):
back to your phone calls, get a tyler. My theory
is there aren't jobs there as the average New Zealand
family now needs both parents working to get by. There
is a finite I just lost it. There is a
finite amount of jobs out there, and entry level jobs
are now being taken by parents one team to have
extra for their families. That's from Craig, which is a

(44:11):
very fair point. Good afternoon. AI must be having an
awful effect on employment and its usage increases, surely that
will make it even harder for people to find work.
That's from Kay and Nelson. Absolutely the question of AI,
no doubt. It's coming thick and fast and being utilized
in almost every industry. So the impact that's having on
the job market I don't think has been calculated, but

(44:34):
it's certainly having an impact. And this one high tiler.
Plenty of work in Southland. My job, my son rather
just got a job as an apprentice joiner. He's only eighteen.
Heaps of farm work, going, laboring, etc. You just can't
afford to be piggy these days. That's from Dave, So
keep those techs coming through. On nine to nine two
the job market, how hard is it out there? And

(44:54):
as a parent of older children, how hard is it
for them to find a job currently? Oh eighte hundred
and eighty teen eighty is that number? To call back
very shortly. It is twelve past two.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams after
boons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Said be, it's fourteen past two. We've been talking about
the unemployment rate. It's at five point three overall, but
the youth unemployment rate is kind of where we've focused
in on. Fifteen percent of people age fifteen to twenty
four are out of work. They are some big numbers.
If you're a parent and you've got a child within
that age bracket, how hard are they finding it to

(45:32):
get a job?

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Any job?

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call. Here's a good text, hy Tyler. I'm an
unemployed young person living in Auckland here. I'm twenty seven.
I got laid off my job about twelve months ago today.
Since then, I've probably managed to land five to six
interviews total. I've applied for many different jobs and positions.
Previous experience has been as a delivery driver and sales

(45:53):
support of worked warehouse work and done entry level sales.
I've listened to some of the callers call in and
say they're on the phones trying to find people everyday,
good workers, et cetera. That just seems so strange when
I've been applying through all sorts of different recruit is
going through seek trade, me jobs, etc. And I can't
even land an interview anywhere. Tough times. It's a great point.

(46:16):
That's where the disconnector is because you get callers like Jeff,
and there's been a couple of others, and some texts
come through saying that they are screaming out for good, reliable,
key we workers and they just can't find them. But
you get texts like this, and clearly not every young
person out there between the ages of fifteen and twenty
four and in this case twenty seven are lazy. They
want work and they're hustling to try and find it.

(46:37):
So why is there such a disconnect between those people
with businesses screaming out with workers and then texts like
this who are doing everything they can to try and
find a job. Love to hear your thoughts on that
one nine two ninety two is that text number? Hey you, Simon,
very good, thank you.

Speaker 6 (46:53):
I got made unemployed many many years ago, just to
a recession and prior to the echristri At earthquake. And
what I did is I printed out my CV and
I physically took it round to hr people and just said, here,
I am. What do I have to do to prove
to you that I'm the person you're looking for? And
That's what I've noticed with my son when he left university.

Speaker 17 (47:16):
What have you done?

Speaker 6 (47:17):
He says, I've set my CV off to so many places.
And I said, but the companies are going to get
so many cvs. If they don't catch their attention in
the first couple of lines, it ends up in the
big round bin. So print it out, get off your backside,
don't visit people, and see if you can talk face
to face with the HR and I'm here, what do
I have to do to prove that I'm the person

(47:37):
you're looking for.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
It's great advice, and that's what I was told Simon
when I was struggling, not for that long to find
a job. But that's exactly what the old man said.
He said, print off the CV and go and knock
on doors. And that's exactly what I did and managed
to find a position. I mean, do you think it
still works in today's age? Because I have heard from
recruiters who say that that approach is as much that
as you know, some employers love the hustle and getting

(48:00):
in front of them. It doesn't work quite the same
way it did ten years ago. That the employers are
getting so many people trying that and applications that they
get a bit overwhelmed, so they don't actually like people
knocking on the door anymore.

Speaker 6 (48:15):
But the well, the other thing is is how do
you get them to how do you get your CV
across to them? How do you capture their attention with
them the first cuple of lines, because that's all it's
going to take because they're going to receive so many
so you've got to do something different. I like you,
or we can knock it on the door.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah, is the way to go.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
I like your line though, saying what do I need
to do to be the best worker that you need
right now, which is a great line that throws it
back to them and say yes, say okay, right, here's.

Speaker 6 (48:39):
What we need to go out of my way to
help you.

Speaker 7 (48:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Yeah, Now it's a great point, simon, And that's you know,
when times are tough in terms of the job market,
hustling is how you get to the top of the pack.
And perhaps there needs to be a little bit more
hustle from from younger people out there struggling to find
a job, but also the you know, when I think
of the young people on Job Seeker, and I've just
heard this anecdotally, and I was. I was on Job

(49:05):
Seeker for a very small time after the GFC and
I lost my job and realized it was a terrible
thing to be on. It sucked, it was crap. The
money was bugger all, and that as it should be.
But the things that they made me turn up to,
I mean, the whole thing was a pilava that send
me to various courses on Excel spreadsheets, and all this,

(49:27):
you know, rubbish skills that I already knew how to do,
but there was nothing in the background of work and
income at the time. And whether that's changed, I don't
know about. Actually, how do you put yourself forward? How
do you have those soft skills that employers are actually
looking for now? And that seems to be a real
disconnect that if you've got all these people on the
job seeker and you're giving them a bit of a
heads up to say, if you don't start looking for

(49:48):
a job and tell you what and do what we
tell you to do, we're going to take you off
the benefit. That's all well and good, but you've got
to give them the right skills to go out there
and put themselves forward, right and get the best out
of them. But what do you say, Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 18 (50:01):
Rob?

Speaker 2 (50:02):
How are you mate?

Speaker 7 (50:04):
Hi?

Speaker 5 (50:04):
Tyler?

Speaker 7 (50:05):
I'm fine, Danks, Thanks for taking my call. Look out
just so phone to talk about my son who's twenty seven,
and that he's had He's got two degrees. He did
his first degree as got a degree in statistic SOMA
and that was just around when COVID hit in a
lot of people coming back into the country and then

(50:27):
they said, well and then a lot of people with experience,
so they said, you don't want you because you haven't
got any experience, you see. So he went back to
you needed another debeat, this time accounting. And now he
gets out of it. This country's in a massive recession.
But he finally got a job with the company that's
sort of in the finance sector and they're like repurposing

(50:47):
people who are getting out of their kid saber because
of hardship. So he worked in the job for seven
months and in this company that had sold to the Americans,
they decided to outsource the job to Fiji. So he
spent the last couple of months in his temporary job
training the Fijians how to do his job. And this

(51:08):
is done to him by a Kiwi company in this
country and a lot of their thing is handling t weceiver.
So you know, how's that for a kick in the guns.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
There is a massive kick in the guts. I mean,
you know, the integrity of your of your son to
to you know, retrain those other people in Fiji. But
for most of us would say, bug of that, I'm
not retraining anyone, I'm leaving you on your own because
you've absolutely knife me in the back.

Speaker 7 (51:35):
Well, he thought, well, if he keeps on working and
shows them he's a good work and he's very clever.
He was helping sort out the assistance. He thought, maybe
they'll reconsider, maybe they'll give me a job. But yeah, no,
nothing in the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
So how's he doing now? Is did he managed to
find out?

Speaker 7 (51:52):
You go, No, he hasn't found a job. He's applied
for one again. They said, oh, I am not enough experience,
and so you know, how are you going to get experience?
And then what is he supposed to do? He's done this,
he's done two degrees. Now he's got this massive student
debt and nobody will give him any works. And the

(52:15):
thing is, the economy is bad. You know, if that
guy was saying, oh, you've got to be at the
top of the kids, at the top of five hundred
sold Maggie one gets a job, this four hundred and
ninety nine, you're not getting a job. And that's the
problem here. It's not the doll. The doll bludger who
has a bludging attitude is not ready to work. It's
just there are no jobs this economy. Hold on to

(52:37):
your job. I'm seventy years old now, I'm keeping my
job because I'm the only one working left in the family.
I can't afford to give it up.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Yeah right, I mean what do you do?

Speaker 7 (52:50):
It's and it doesn't seem like it's going to turn
around in a hurry.

Speaker 9 (52:53):
So what's he going to do?

Speaker 2 (52:55):
And how how hard is it to keep him positive?
He is he remaining positive?

Speaker 6 (52:59):
Rob?

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Is he trying to keep his heat up and push
forward as much as he can?

Speaker 7 (53:03):
Well, you can imagine. I mean he did apply for jobs.
He's supplying for jobs straight away, but then you get
that kickback, no experience. I mean, how is a person
supposed to face that and come out smiling?

Speaker 5 (53:14):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 7 (53:15):
Yeah, how would you feel if you were in that situation? Yeah,
to give your job to someone in Fiji? And then
people said, Babel, by the way, you're on the doll,
it's mostly your fault. Get out there and try and
get to the top of the queue.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
I'll be furious. I'll be calling out their company.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
And if that that is a New Zealand company then
and we can't mention them now because I'm just taking
your word for it, but that is the I'm sure
the sort of things that kiwi's like to hear about.
Because whether you support a company that makes a whole
bunch of ki workers redundant and you know, outsources them
to overseas jobs, we know why they do it because

(53:51):
they can get workers at a better price. But whether
that's that's you know, clearly it's not good for the
New Zealand economy and it's not good for New Zealand workers,
and it's not digging in while many people are doing
it tough.

Speaker 7 (54:03):
Yeah, well it's his company, and you know it's not
my place to like name and then you know what,
you don't want to get into legislation around it. I'm
just saying this whole situation is really bad, and they're
tending to blame the people who are on the doll
like it's obviously therefore you didn't try hard enough, you
didn't get off your backside and go and whatever. You know,

(54:28):
he's applied for jobs and there have been two thousand applicants.
It's very hard just to jump.

Speaker 17 (54:34):
To the top of that key.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
I can tell you, Rob really nice to have a
chat with you and thank you very much for giving
me a call, and hope your son finds employment soon,
because it sounds like he's doing everything he can and
he's done all the right things and has been stitched
up by that company, but also just run into some
serious bad luck. So all the best to your son,
and thank you very much. And Rob is right, you know,

(54:57):
there's no doubt about it. There are some people on
the job seeker and some young people who maybe see
it as a bit of a holiday, and that's why
their extra motivation to say, if there are jobs out there,
we expect you to take them on is not a
bad thing. But clearly there are many people who are
on the job seeker who are doing everything they can
to try and secure a job, hustle like anything, and

(55:21):
in this current climate, are just finding nothing but keen
to hear from you. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is that number to call? Where a bit late it
is twenty four past two, but back very shortly with
more of your calls.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB afternoon.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Year We are talking about the unemployment rate it's edged
up to five point three percent, and we got to
put it in context. Last quarter it was five point
two percent. And there's a whole bunch of commentary around
some signs of recovery at last. I mean, how often
have we heard that? But it seems by all accounts
that there.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Is some movement.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
We've got lower interest rates and the government believes this
is the peak in terms of unemployment data. But that
youth unemployment rate of fifteen percent for fifteen to twenty
four year olds, that should be of a concern to
many of us. And the question I've asked is why
why are young people struggling to find work? Is it
as the old adage people say online that they're too

(56:23):
lazy and Kiwi workers can't be reliable anymore?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Is that the truth?

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Or is it a bit more nuanced than that. If
you're a parent, how hard has it been for your
child to find work if they've recently left school or
left university with a degree? Really keen to hear from you? Oh,
one hundred and eight ten eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 7 (56:40):
Can?

Speaker 2 (56:41):
How are you? My friends?

Speaker 16 (56:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (56:43):
Good tiler?

Speaker 18 (56:44):
How are young?

Speaker 2 (56:44):
But yeah? Good mate? What do you reckon?

Speaker 18 (56:47):
Yeah, I had one thought about the previous caller with
the two degrees, and then I'd be interested in and
knowing how many jobs they went for that wasn't the
degree specific.

Speaker 9 (57:07):
So I.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
Know.

Speaker 18 (57:09):
I've been a truck driver and a dairy farmer all
my life and I've always said to people, whether it's
dairy farming or the same thing picking picking fruit, or
I've said to them, I will work for you for
two days for free, and I'll show you how I am.
And every time I've done that, I wound up with
a job and start Monday.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
It's a great strategy. Can you know that?

Speaker 3 (57:34):
That is putting putting your nuts on the line, so
to speak, and saying, I beg myself, you don't have
to pay me for two days, but I'll show you
I'm going to be a great worker.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
It's a great strategy.

Speaker 18 (57:45):
The work ethic I think is big. I've got I've
got all kids, and youngest is twelve and the eldest
is twenty two. And my oldest, when she was at
high school, decided to a paper run and she did
the first week of paper run and then waited for
the paypacket, got the paypacket and.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Quite I mean I did a paper run, and your
daughter's right.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
I mean the pay is buger all.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
I can't remember how much it was per house or
paper that I delivered, but you know, for a three
hours work as, I think I got about fifteen dollars,
so even you know, when you take into account inflation,
that would probably be about thirty bucks in today's money.
So thirty bucks for three hours I suppose, you know,
not too bad for a sixteen year old kid, but

(58:33):
it was hard yecker.

Speaker 18 (58:35):
So she was expecting us six or seven hundred dollars paypacker,
was what she said to me when we talked about it.

Speaker 19 (58:41):
Yeah, it come as a bit of a shock, But
I definitely think working think as like the amount of
the amount of young people nowadays that aren't willing to
do the job.

Speaker 18 (58:55):
Like like you were saying, when we were young, you
just got stuck into it. A bet job paid money,
you did it, and you did a good job. I
think we're missing a little bit of that now.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
But I can't work out why can't. I think I
think you are right, not for every young person. Clearly,
there's a lot of very talented young people out there
that know the value of hard work and can get
stuck in because they know there's no other option. You
either get a job and get some money in or
your life isn't going to be that flash. But I
can't understand why that's been ingrained that I'm too good

(59:26):
for a particular job, or I don't want to go
and do farm work because it's not what I'm studied it.
I just can't get my head around that. If that
is an ingrained psyche in recent years, that blows my mind.
That a job and having money in in your pocket,
surely that's a great motivator.

Speaker 18 (59:45):
I will just say real quickly, I went and applied
for a job, but God got the Pamer mechanics for
the mining trucks and stuff. And I went on us
and they said to me, we never put an ad
in the paper because then you have people channing up
who just want a job. Yeah, we never advertise, and

(01:00:05):
people who come to our door and say I want
to be a mechanic for gos got that's where they
am bullying. Yeah, that was quite an interesting way looking
at it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Yeah, yeah, no, good cool. Can't thank you very much
in your spot on. I mean, looking back, a big
part of it was I couldn't deal with the grief
from Dad. If I didn't have a job over summer,
there'd be no end of grief saying that you've got
to get out there, Tyler, and I'm not going to
take any excuses, and you'll find a job if you
know what's good for you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
So that is a part of it. If you've got you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Know, parents who are racking you up saying that you're
just got to get out there. You're not going to
sit at home. You're going to be out there. You're
going to be knocking on doors and do whatever you
can and I'll help you to the best of my
ability and use what ever contacts of God. But that
seemed to be a good motivator for me to get
out there and find work as well as the money.
But I just couldn't deal with the grief hearing Dad
say you're not going to sit around the house. You're

(01:00:54):
going to find a job, but keen to get your
experience as Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number of cool headlines with Raylen coming up? And
when we come back, Jason wants to have a chat
about offshoring jobs. That is coming next back in a moment.

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Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Thank you very much, Rayleen.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
We're talking about the unemployment rate, as Raeli mentioned, is
edged up to five zero point three percent. That is
the highest it's been since twenty sixteen. There are hopes
that it is at the peak, but we are talking
about your experiences. If you've been looking for a job,
how has it gone for you over the past twelve months,
how many applications have you put in? And for the
younger people as well, that number is a lot higher.

(01:02:49):
Fifteen percent of those aged fifteen to twenty four unemployed.
So if you've got children in that age bracket, how
hard is it for them to find work, particularly over
the summer month. So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Jason, how are you mate?

Speaker 16 (01:03:03):
Good?

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Good? You want to talk about offshering jobs?

Speaker 7 (01:03:08):
I do so.

Speaker 20 (01:03:10):
I think with the government unemployment rate, I think if
they look at it historically, you know it's probably has peak.
But from what I'm seeing the world is changing so
quickly that the historic metrics aren't going to be what
drives the future employment and job opportunities in the country. Now,
just for a bit of context, I've run large businesses
employing thousands of kids under thirty. I've got three teenagers

(01:03:33):
and kids at university. And I've got a business that
twelve months ago had about twenty staff in New Zealand.
We now have three staff in New Zealand. We still
have twenty staff, but those staff are located in Islamabart, Philippines,
Brazil and Egypt. And the cost of those staff in
general is about a quarter to sixth of what we're

(01:03:57):
paying in New Zealand. And the quality of work that
we're getting out of those out of those staff is
superior to people who we would have been paid five
or six times that amount. And when I talk to
my kids about and the reason for that is these
guys have got experience, they specialize in a single area,

(01:04:20):
and they're all AI trained in those respective areas. So
not only are you getting great people, but you're also
getting these people who are deeply trained in a niche
using AI to optimize what they do.

Speaker 12 (01:04:36):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
It's like, I can understand from a business point of view, Jason,
why you do that. It's a no brainer that you
get employees that are more skilled in the areas that
you need them to be skilled in, and you don't
have to pay them as much. But it's a tricky balance,
isn't it is that some people would say that is
almost a race to the bottom when you're outsourcing to

(01:05:00):
developing nations that have far more people and they can
afford to be paid less because their cost of living
isn't the same level in New Za. Where does it
all end up? And I'm not blaming what you've done.
You've done what any sensible business owner would do, is
that you find good people who don't require as much
of a salary, and they are good workers. But you

(01:05:22):
can see the wider problem with the overall economy if
that is starting to happen on a more regular basis.

Speaker 20 (01:05:28):
I totally agree. But the solution isn't to ignore that.
What's happened in the last in particular the last twelve
months is you've got millions of people in developing countries
who are now connected and have looked at AI and gone,
I can upscool within weeks and deliver a wonderful service.
And so that's happened, and it's happening at an incredible

(01:05:51):
rate of knos. And you know, when I talk to
my kids about what they're doing, and when I see
what they're learning at university, none of them are being
pushed in AI. And what my advice for them is
is you've got to go deep in this ere. I
would not employ a single person who was not a
native role where it's accounting, marketing, sales. It just doesn't

(01:06:12):
do it any longer. It's just not the right thing
to do. And so the government and I noticed in
the UAE last week, Hey, the government over there as
a Minister of AI, they rank every single government department
on their ability with AI. So so every single business,
not every single government department, every single business in the

(01:06:33):
IA is ranked on I. And government contracts are awarded
to companies that have a much higher level of use
of AI. So if you're a nine out of ten company,
you're more likely to get a contract. And we're paying
lip service to it. In New Zealand. And you know, education,
same things, they're just education organizations of the schools, universities

(01:06:57):
are just they're not moving fast enough. And when I
say fast, it's changing every week. We review and change
apps and operational platforms every week every two weeks because
it's moving that fast. I don't know what the solutions
for training it is, but it's definitely not putting a
hidden the stand, but betiding this offshooing problem's going to

(01:07:19):
go away. However, on the other side, there's never been
a better time to be a teenager looking for work
right now. If you upskill in AI, there are hundreds
of thousands of New Zealand businesses looking for those skill sets.
But don't expect this to go and get a financetagram
and turn up, or become a lawyer and turn up

(01:07:41):
and expect to get a job. It won't be happening.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
So very well put Jason, and you're right. The world
is fast changing, and no doubt about it. If you
have those skills in AI and in New Zealand arguably
I mean in Pakistan as well. I imagine they do
it off their own bat that they are connected to
the internet, they can see where the world is going
and they develop those skills themselves. That gives you an
edge and an advantage in today's world, and if young

(01:08:04):
people are looking to do that, then they will be fine.
I've got no doubt about it. But that wide question
about outsourcing and the developing nations coming to the fore.
I mean, this is where it all gets messy, right,
because then you look at what Trump has done with
the tariffs, and there was a lot of economists saying
that was terrible for the world economy. Arguably we were
impacted in some way with that. But the reason he

(01:08:25):
was trying to do that is because you've got the
middle class of America screaming that all our jobs are
going overseas and to Mexico and various other nations, and
he wanted to bring manufacturing back. And the horse has
probably bolted on that. But I think most of us
can see there's a real shift in the dynamic of
traditional work in the traditional economy and something needs to

(01:08:47):
change because.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
It's a breaking point.

Speaker 20 (01:08:49):
I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Jason, Really good to get your thoughts, very interesting. Thank
you very much for giving me a buzz. And he
spot on, isn't he? I mean, as a business owner,
why would you not if you can get workers in
a place like Punkistan as Lammabard who have better skills
and they don't require the same salary. I can understand
that from a business point of view, But when it
comes to our local economy, when we've got to find

(01:09:13):
a solution to the traditional working environment and how that
funds the economy because things are fast changing. But perhaps,
as he says, for the young people listening out there,
if you ubscur yourself in AI and find those advantages
they are out there, you will have an edge on
many others. Can you get your views though? Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call? It
is seventeen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
They'd be very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
We're talking about the unemployment rate and focusing in on
youth unemployment as well. But can you get your views
on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Steve, How you doing?

Speaker 5 (01:09:53):
Yeah? Goodad Tyler? Hey, Tyler. I think look, we're having
rapid changes in your zeale and I think kiwik culture,
traditional kiwek culture is holding the country back. You don't
hear anyone talking about it because if you do, you're
a traitor, right and you won't hear an politician. But
the typical Kiwi entitled culture I'm afraid is just not

(01:10:15):
going to help us going forward. We've lived and New
Zealand has been living in a field of dreams. Hasn't
it looked when you think about it, it's been the land.
It's been a fantasy land New Zealand, hasn't it. We've
been able to get all this pride in these primary goods.
Seldom to the world. There's always been traditionally enough money
to pay the bills, give us the roads, give us
all the infrastructure at this space that if we didn't

(01:10:37):
have this green grass, we would be like any other
one of those hard third world countries. We'd have to
develop other industries. But we've been given this perfect location.
It's allowed us put cows on grass and milk and
just bloody get milk, send it, send the protein off.
But the problem is that's all well and good when
you've got a small population. Right, we're now heading into

(01:11:00):
a point now where where it doesn't pay the bills
because the population has increased. Now we're hitting a very
static point in our population growth. New Zealand has never
grown in recent decades without high population growth. And now
we're hitting the Japanese syndrome right where that they had.
We're in a zombie economy. We're going to be propped

(01:11:20):
up by debt. And I don't think interest rates are
going to get us out of this, all right, because
I'll tell you one thing. Everyone's sort of wrapped up
with interest rates. The reality is Japan had negative interest
rates to try and get the economy going. It didn't
matter if you don't have job security. You've still going
to pay the principal back, right. And also rents are following.

(01:11:41):
Rents are dropping, so think about this. Okay, rents are
dropping at the same rate as interest rates, So what
incentive doesn't invest They have to go out, you know,
they get the loan, their lower interest rate right to
buy the house, but they're still going to have to
take a lower rent. So the numbers aren't stacking up.
The numbers just aren't. We're going to be in the

(01:12:01):
quagmis for quite some time. And I think this is
it sounds very much doomsday ish, but AI is going
to take more job than it will produce, no doubt about.

Speaker 7 (01:12:12):
Yeah, you have to with that lower skilled job.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
They're going to be taken here like that poor I
t guy. Look, he might just have to go out.
I'd say that, you know, I want to say to him, like,
I'm actually going out and buying an expresso machine to
teach my kids how to become the best for ristas
out there, just so they can go out and make
some coffee. Because you need to be the best of
the best at what you do. It's going to be

(01:12:34):
hard graft. If you're not, you're not a go getter.
I'm afraid you're going to be sitting on the pile.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
Yeah, I think yeah, when it comes to AI, those
human service jobs are going to be what comes to
the fore right, You're quite right, anything that's that's automated,
And some would argue, you know, some creative industries are
feeling the pinch with AI. But I'd agree that anything
that services other humans or that that human aspect of
the value proposition is going to be key going forward.

(01:13:00):
But you've raised a whole bunch of scary thoughts that
are in reality as well.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
One other thing is, you know, New Zealand we haven't
developed any the industry, really have we From our primary
think about it all that we talk and talk and
talk for thirty years, and all we do is talk.
We got MMP, so you never look the gas of stuff.
The only way we're going to get going is like
doing things like getting our hands dirty and getting ourselves
into some industry, like you know, accommodating the Americans here

(01:13:26):
with the naval ships. Imagine how many jobs that would produce.
I think it's a great idea for one thing. If
we get American assets on our soil, think about the
defense we got automatic We're already We're back in there
with them, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
D Shane Jones mention that to Mike Hoskin this morning
when he thought about for security. I agree with you.
I mean, that makes sense to me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
A lot of people would look at that and say
the Americans half ony Marsden pointer.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Is that a good idea? But on the security point
of view, we got to lose key.

Speaker 5 (01:13:55):
We culture dragging us down again, right Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Yeah, I mean on the agriculture, we can't do it. Yeah,
we can't.

Speaker 5 (01:14:01):
We can't bring in people because we don't want more
people around us, because we're keiweis who want all our space.
But we want to have all our entitled Well, they're
going to have to get real. Yeah, something's got to get.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Well, we've got to be more ambitious, don't. We have
no doubt about it, Steve.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Agriculture has as kept this economy afloat for a long
time and it is probably more than its weight in
getting us through this the stuff period. But you're right,
but it's a small it's a small margin product, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Commodity.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
There's only so much profit you can make off off
of agriculture in that primary industry.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
But this is why it gets frustrating.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
When there was a talk about Amazon Web Services coming
into the country, and we talked about that on air
and people were freaking out. The idea of Amazon who
were dare come into New Zealand and set up this
cloud servicing operation. That is where we start to make
some money. And you look at rocket Lab and all
these other ki entrepreneurs that have gone off seats because
they can't do it here. That's where the money is.

(01:14:52):
The gaming industry as well. You know, pump some money
into the gaming industry, you get.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
Some little nuclear reactors. Mate, We've got to be good
with it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Yeah, yeah, you know, we got it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:01):
We've got to stop listening to the luddite to drag
us down. And you know, when I look on the
news every night now, it's just all about what we
can get from the government. It's about the Maori in
fighting every single night. It's about Mary wanting this, Mary
wanting that. You know, Erica Stanford right, she should be,
you know, she should be the next Prime minister with
the way her thought processes work. Because taking the treaty

(01:15:24):
out for one thing, is such a great idea and
replacing it with AI education. You know, you've got to
get the kids up to the speed of the Asians.
Do you notice you don't get any calls from Asian
kids and Indian kids. Do you know why? Because they
got the jobs, because they're hustlers, they get educated and
their parents know the value of an education. The classic
Kiwi unfortunately out there playing sport. Hey great and joining

(01:15:48):
the outdoors and that's all well and good, but I'm
afraid you're going to have to upskill a bit more
along the way.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Yeah, spot on, Steve. Look, you've made a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
You've covered a lot of ground, and some of it
would be pretty scary for people to listen to but
appreciate your call very much.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
We've got to take a break back very shortly. It
is eight to three, the issues that affect you, and
a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks, they'd.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Be it is six to three, get a sean. Thanks
for hanging on.

Speaker 21 (01:16:20):
Oh, no problem. I'm just reinging to say that I've
got a small country bar and struggling to find workers
constantly pretty much year after year.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Yeah, and what part of the country.

Speaker 22 (01:16:30):
You win.

Speaker 7 (01:16:32):
Tartaanauki North Tardaanhaky.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
So when you yeah, when you say workers say, it's
just what bartenders.

Speaker 21 (01:16:38):
Bartenders, chefs, housekeepers. They come and go, they get kind
of get sick of doing dish to the young ones
to get sick and doing dishes after six months and
they pack it in and you're just constant flow really,
so you've got to rely on tauris get you three
most of the time.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
Well that sucks, doesn't it If you've got jobs ready
to go for Kiwi's and when you look.

Speaker 21 (01:16:57):
After them too. We're a bit far out of town,
but we're still giving them free food for accommodation while
that's day. They could do twenty hours and two days
or you know, or more. Sometimes I've got grounds with
all sorts of work, and you make it work for them,
and you just can't get them to get up here.

Speaker 22 (01:17:12):
Really.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
Yeah, but I mean that's it in a nutshell, Steve,
that being a dish washer, and they can't. Oh, they
don't like doing it, so they wrap it up after
a short time. I can't understand that thinking, because I'd
never turn my nose up at dish washing. If that
was an opportunity and it was good money and I
was getting paid, I'd absolutely no. Hopefully that was the start,
and I'd work my way up or do that for

(01:17:33):
long enough time until I found a high bandel.

Speaker 17 (01:17:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:17:37):
Yeah, they start teaching them as well, and they just
want to go back on the benefit instead of just
carry on for a bit longer or want.

Speaker 8 (01:17:43):
To learn more as well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
What's the Yeah, what's the name of your.

Speaker 21 (01:17:49):
Hotel?

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Aquina, hotel?

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Nice one child, come down and check it out next
time I'm down that way, and hopefully yeah, yeah, you've
got some workers by the time I turn up.

Speaker 21 (01:17:59):
But I work it through the extra work to make
it work.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
So yeah, yeah, you're a good man, Sewan. Thank you
very much. Great call. Wait, we might keep this going
just for a little bit longer.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
I know it's been two hours, but it's been great
conversation and there's been full boards all show. So we'll
just get a couple more calls after the news because
I do want to get into crazy stories on the
motorway that's all coming up, New sport and weather fast approaching.
Really good to be a company on this Wednesday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Hope you're doing pretty well. Stay right here. I will
be back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Your new home for insateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Sevy, welcome back into the program. It is six past three.
So we've been having a great chat about unemployment rate.
It has edged up to five point three percent, but
we've kind of focused on the youth unemployment rate, which
is at fifteen percent for those age fifteen to twenty four.
That is a concern and the government are hoping this
is at the peak. But when you've got fifteen percent

(01:19:06):
of young people fifteen to twenty four were out of work,
when they work ready, they're physically able they're ready to go.
I mean, something is wrong at that level, surely, but
taking your experiences and your views on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty and we're only going to do this
for another twenty five minutes, I think, because I really
want to have a chat about craziness on the motorway.

(01:19:28):
But if you want to come through, now is the time.
Let's go to Bromwin, who's been hanging on get Abromwin. Hello,
nice to chat with you.

Speaker 23 (01:19:38):
So my stories about the eighty five percent that are
an employment because I had a daughter who, whether or
not we were lucky or blessed or just had hopes
that she actually managed to get herself three jobs at
once at one time. So she never really settled at school.

(01:19:59):
She's started at high school in twenty twenty, so what
I call the COVID years, she was at home more
than she was at school. Then we had the strikes,
tried to do homeschooling, and she just didn't settle. She
was quite sporty, but left at that sixth form whatever
year twelve of.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
It, yeah, yeah, twelve yep.

Speaker 23 (01:20:23):
So work part time. She did the stopping the shelf
at at supermarket at six o'clock in the morning, having
to wear gloves because the not sillers were so cold,
and us dropping her off. She worked at Subway. She
didn't even have a full license, so we had to
drive her down and sit outside as she opened up
the shop.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
It's sup a year guys with parents, so it's like.

Speaker 16 (01:20:49):
She worked a butt off.

Speaker 23 (01:20:51):
She did whatever she could to try to get her
from the door and try to build that work experience
that she could then use on a CV to apply
for a longer full time job. She waitressed, worked bar
I heard another one of your callers saying he was
going to buy an exprusso machine. She got her certificate

(01:21:13):
for making coffees, and she just kept her her nose
to the ground and luckily she saw an advert for
Wellington Airport for ground crew. They had eight hundred applications
that job and she got it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Holy. I mean, that's like winning lotter.

Speaker 23 (01:21:30):
So yeah, there is hope. I don't know if she
was just one of the ones that was really focused,
but she had done the volunteering before she started getting
paid work. Nothing that helps, It's just nothing. Another caller.
You've got to keep yourself busy. You've just got to
keep getting out there in front of people.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Just getting more things on the CV.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
By the sounds of it, bron Win, I mean, clearly
your daughter is a very hard worker AND's got that
work ethic that I take it she probably got from
from you guys as parents. You know, it's just reality.
You know, when someone does have a good work ethic,
where does that come from? It's d you know, ninety
nine per center the time it is from the parents.
And the ability to show that she could put her

(01:22:14):
head down and do the work and do various different
types of work. And as you say, volunteering clearly put
her to the top of the pack. When she went
for the ground crew job.

Speaker 23 (01:22:22):
There was an interesting bit of feedback which was when
she had the interview at Subway, they actually said to her,
have you practiced this interview? And she said yes, So
she actually sat down with us and we practiced in
a few questions with us. Now, what did she bring
to the job and know? And I don't think those
resources are available to a lot of parents. So we

(01:22:43):
are in business, so maybe there's more supports for the
parents to then be able to help their teenagers.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
Yeah, well, even at the job seeker level, within because
you're so right the practice of being in an interview,
because it is an incredibly daunting thing for a lot
of people. And look, i haven't had an interview for
some time, but I'd still be incredibly daunted going in
for a job interview. And now it seems like every
manager and the company wants to be seated at that table.

(01:23:10):
So you're sitting in front of four or five people
trying to patch why you're going to be the best
person for the job, but being able to sit down,
as you say, and just go through potential questions. How
do you deal with this curve? Well, if they throw
it at you, make sure that you ask some questions
of them. You do your research about the company so
you know a few projects that have gone underway and
at the work and income level for those on the

(01:23:31):
job seeker, if they don't have that ability or support
out in the home, then they should be providing that
within that organization. That's critical to get people into jobs.

Speaker 23 (01:23:40):
Yeah, and there's another thing. I don't know if this
has got any evidence behind it at all, but before COVID,
we had a whole lot of our young people that
maybe started in the workforce and then went off and
did their oe and that kind of got shut down.
So there's a whole like three or four years worth
of people that are now in the workforce that may
potentially not have been. So you've kind of got a

(01:24:04):
really tight market. You've got lots of people trying for
jobs that probably don't have the confidence for the schools
to get them, and it's like that perfect storm. So
I'm just I'm blessed. I'm really happy that she's managed
to find defeat.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Yeah, I can tell, I can tell, and it's a
great story. Thank you very much, Bronwyn in congrats to
your daughter. That is a fantastic job ground crew at
the airport.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Positive story there from Bromwyn. Have you had a similar
experience with your kids. When you put your head down
and you do the hard graft and you do the hustle.
There obviously is you know, an element of luck to it,
but there's also if you work hard and you've got
that work ethic behind you, clearly good things happen over time. Oh,
e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? It is twelve past three, bag very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
News talks'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
We'll get back to the unemployment chat very soon, but
for those interested, obviously, there's some gurber national elections going
on in the United States. I'm just watching Fox News
at the moment, and pretty close when it comes to
the election of the New York mayor. As you can imagine,
it's probably leaning always going to lean pretty heavily in
the Democratic side. At the moment, they're predicting a fifty

(01:25:13):
seven percent Democratic to forty two percent Republican. The New
Jersey governor race still too early to call as well,
they'll just put it up on the screen. So Cheryl
is at fifty seven percent as well, and the Republican
candidate at forty two percent, so that is hiding up.
There was some analysis that this would be a bit
of a or a first test for Trump's presidency ahead

(01:25:37):
of the midterms next year. So there'll be plenty more
on that story, I imagine, with Heather after four o'clock
as well. But we'll keep you updated with that one
as we as the afternoon progresses. But let's get back
to the unemployment levels at five point three percent, and
particularly the youth unemployment levels at fifteen percent. If you're
a parent, or if you're in the job marketers as
a young person yourself, I'd love to hear from you

(01:25:58):
on oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
How hard is it Steve? How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 9 (01:26:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
Great, Tyler? What about yourself?

Speaker 24 (01:26:05):
On?

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
Very good for a Wednesday and joining this conversation. It's
been full always to the last two and a half hours.

Speaker 4 (01:26:13):
Hey mate, I've got.

Speaker 5 (01:26:14):
I've got a now twenty year old son. He left
college a year and a half or two years ago
now level I did a year thirteen and then he
went and did a pre trade electrical course and he's
been trying all year to get an apprenticeship to be
an electrician. And it's just and we're in Wellington and
it's just half ads, mate, for these kids to get
a job until the government, you know, releases some funds

(01:26:37):
and the infrastructure you know, around Wellington particularly, it's just
going to be tough. He's applied all over the place
and the door's shut. And I mean there's several of
these guys that are running these businesses say mate, I'm
back on the tools because you know, I just can't
afford to have you know, the staff at the moment
because there's just not a lot of work out there. Well,

(01:26:57):
I'm sure there's work.

Speaker 7 (01:26:58):
But you know what I'm saying, it's not easy for
these kids that.

Speaker 5 (01:27:01):
Want to do what they want to do when the
when the door is not quite open yet.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
Well, those government contracts and a place like Wellington absolutely, Steve,
you bang on, they employ a lot of people when
spending that sort of money and getting those infrastructure projects
on the ground. And I imagine you know Wellington is
I'm just looking at the figures here is certainly one
of the metros that is facing a hard time with
the unemployment rate. So when you I mean even I
suppose those entry level jobs and the likes of supermarkets

(01:27:29):
and you know Subway for example, they'll be getting hundreds
and hundreds of applications in that region.

Speaker 5 (01:27:35):
Steve, Yeah, without out but I mean in the supermarket industry,
I'm in it a little bit. And there's there's you know,
these these kids also like they'll get a some of
them only want to work two or three days a
week because I talked to them, and you know, and
the other thing is is they get these these split
days where I'll do a Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and have

(01:27:55):
a Wednesday off, and they might get a Friday off
or something, you know, or a Tuesday and then get
a Friday off, and that's a bit tough on them too.
You know, everyone deserves a couple of days off in
a row. So if I guess that's why a lot
of them don't want to go and work at these
sort of jobs.

Speaker 10 (01:28:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
And so where is your son at at the moment.
Is he still pushing through just applying for anything that
he can or is he thinking it?

Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
Maybe he's definitely out there trying to do he's trying
to get some still get an apprenticeship, and he's applying
for stuff. But he's fortunate. He's a silly, talented young musician.
So he's out there out there on most weekends making
a little bit of money to get by. So that's
that's good. And he's still living at home and I
like that anyway. But it's just tough on these young

(01:28:38):
young kids, I think these days. I just think, particularly
in Willington, I don't know the rest of the country.
I just know that, you know, it's I know a
lot of tradees and they're all doing it tough.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
It's particularly hard Stephen, You're right, you know, there's there's
some commentary that comes through the four about about laziness
or they don't have the work ethic, and I don't
buy that that. It is incredibly tough for young people
when they finish school or university and degree and come
into an incredibly tough job market after a prolonged downturn.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
That is, that's a hard place to start your career.
And no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
People are you know, young people in between fifteen and
twenty four heading that they are at a serious disadvantage
through no fault of their own at the moment.

Speaker 5 (01:29:20):
Yeah, and a lot of people they want experience electricians
or full time you know, qualified electricians, and that's tough.
I mean a kid can't get a break if you know,
rock at a hard place to get experience.

Speaker 9 (01:29:31):
You need the job, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
Yeah, yeap, one hundred percent. Steve, all the best for
your son and really hope you pick something up. But
it sounds like as a talented musician, he is hustling
and doing what he needs to do to get by.
And as you say, it's always nice to have the
kids at home for as long as possible. Oh, eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
It is twenty past three. We've gotta play some messages.
But after the break we're gonna have a chat to

(01:29:53):
Pepper and she wants to have a chat about kids
that hustled into jobs. That is coming up next. You're
listening to news Talks the b Hope you having a
good afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred and
eighty an eighty on Youth Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
It's twenty two past three, Papa.

Speaker 25 (01:30:13):
Yeah, come fine, Sorry, it's all right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
There's a lot going on on your Wednesday afternoon. That's fine.
You can say.

Speaker 25 (01:30:21):
I was just a Graymouth is a few months ago
for the tricker. I'd seen that the racers who lives
down the robe. I just saw her for the first
time and I just stay out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
You can carry on having the conversation with her.

Speaker 22 (01:30:37):
You got back.

Speaker 25 (01:30:39):
I wanted to see it though, because.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Yeah, a small Kumata races.

Speaker 25 (01:30:46):
It was, yes, I was at the Graymouth ones. My
stepson's a Corse trainer, right, and we flew down to
christ and went over to grow. Oh. Actually from Graymouth.
So I went to the racers meet this girl at
the races hetta. She was coming up to live in
Altucky and you go to I'm not play the university
and I do, and she's, you wouldn't know where I live.

(01:31:08):
My uncle is down Greenwood Boulevard. I live them like
cutting the country schedual kidding. No, I don't know anyone
else that lives there. And anyway, she said, look out
for you. I just saw it puts I love.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
New Zealand, you know that two degrees of separation. It's
a beautiful thing.

Speaker 25 (01:31:25):
Paper so cut, but good to see you. So I
was like, I know you you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Great races by the way Graymouth I attended. Oh gosh,
it must have been two thousand and seven or six,
had it at a ball of the time.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
It was great fun.

Speaker 25 (01:31:38):
Well to the best one, the one I really wanted
to go through because but we weren't. It was the
reefed and races really wanted to go there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Yeah, still plenty of time, Pepper, still plenty of time.

Speaker 5 (01:31:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
Anyway, we've been sidetracked in a good way because I've
enjoyed that. But let's have a chat about our kids.
Hustling into jobs.

Speaker 25 (01:31:56):
Well, so I've got two boys, they're twenty two and
twenty four now, and I bought them off on my own.
Now they both had done. It was interesting listening to
the electrician story. My oldest son's no electrician and he
basically less gone did that pre electrical warst and very
luckily he's a bit of a side hustler. He played

(01:32:16):
in a band and he went and played for a
musical and one of the electricians there got him a job,
so he sort of hustled himself into that. He got
laid off that job and went to another job, and
it was one of the big big companies, but of
course everyone's getting laid off. He got laid off from that,
so then two in his second job, as a fully
qualified apprentice, he lost that job. So this was at

(01:32:38):
the beginning of this year, and then head, I'll just
going on my own and we're like a yeah, So
sort of went out on his own and then ended
up being contracted to another electrician who he's now working
for full time. So he's done really good now and
he he bought his own house. He really has. The
younger one has also done extreamly well. He's a real
side hustler.

Speaker 16 (01:32:58):
He's got that.

Speaker 25 (01:33:00):
He's done his four years at Victoria. He's now doing
looking for a freight company in a post grade program.
But as a eye hustle, he's doing the AI workshops
like take inviting people to this AI. I don't even
understand it, but he's doing thatique. He is incredible, and
I'm like, and he goes, He'll tell me you want

(01:33:22):
to understand it.

Speaker 7 (01:33:22):
I'm like, I probably want.

Speaker 25 (01:33:25):
But they've both done really well. And they've done it
because and I think it's me because it was only me.
They had jobs, had a paper run. We all did
this little family paper run when they were like twelve
and thirteen, and then they did they always had part
time jobs. And I do believe that once and they
saw me. I always worked. I've worked from the you know,

(01:33:47):
even when I was you know, with them as little boys,
they I always had a job. They've never seen me
not work, and they knew it was in the blood
that they were going to have to work to and
they have like that. Just they've done it. They've made it.
But the side hustling is a real thing because the
other one, the older one, he's also in a band,
and I think he's got this big thing.

Speaker 16 (01:34:07):
He's going to make money.

Speaker 25 (01:34:07):
Out of the band too, And you know, goes to
the pubs and asks, you know, can we play there
and here?

Speaker 22 (01:34:12):
And you know, just have done really well.

Speaker 25 (01:34:14):
And I listened to these kids that don't, and I
think it's it's said they just maybe they just haven't
hit the workie things founded into them.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
Well, you sound like a great mumpeper, but you bang on,
I think, And how do I phrase this, because clearly,
as a parent, you want to be that safety net
for your kids if they need to, but also that
message there that you should be working and you should
be bringing in an income if you're not at study.
I mean certainly that was the position that I was always.

(01:34:44):
I know, to mention that Dad would give me grief
if I didn't have a job. He didn't want to
see me at home. So I'm like, well, bugger, that's
a bit. You know, I got a hustle here to
get a job because I'm not allow back of the
house during the day.

Speaker 25 (01:34:54):
It was My dad was the same and he still
with my kids, you know, like one of them will
mourn a better you have a job giving it up.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Yeah, But it's that motivation, isn't it that motivation that
there's not really an option here that you do need
to do this and you need to do this to
bitter your future and also to maybe help out the
family as well.

Speaker 25 (01:35:15):
They really are better in issue. And I mean I
look at especially the older one who he was a
bit of a struggling teenager, like you know, the school
was ringing me when he was sixteen saying, oh, look
he's not he doesn't want to come to going.

Speaker 24 (01:35:25):
I said, he's not stay home, So he.

Speaker 25 (01:35:27):
Got to find him something to do. And so that's
really got them into this electrical course because we knew
he liked that sort of thing, got into it. And
then he was like, I've got to get a job now,
and he said, oh, I know what I'll do. I'll
go and do the show down at the local performing arts.
And because the guy that does the electricals here he
owns his electrical company and he got his first job.
You know, they sort of they thought outside the square

(01:35:48):
of how to do it, and that was you know,
and the other one is the same. AI is the
way of the future he's doing. Oh I don't even
understand what he's doing, but he's got so many people
behind him. And his last little meetup had forty people
with it, so the first one had twelve. So he
must be doing something right. Although I don't know where.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
It sounds like you're a great mom and you've raised
some good boys and I think they're going to do
very well in life. Pepa, thank you very much for
giving me a call. Sanjay, how are you all right?

Speaker 9 (01:36:16):
This is Sanja here. I am sixty four and I've
had a bit of experience about everything. There are two
advisors which are required for the upcoming teenagers. One would
be that the government should actually take the decision of

(01:36:36):
making the retirement age as sixty and not sixty five.
What will happen is it will drop the number of jobs.
People who are jobless will get jobs. Second is people
should actually grow a bit of guts in them. You
know why I say that is at the age of
fifty eight, I got cancer and I got made redundant.

Speaker 17 (01:36:58):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
It is some TV blows correct, So what.

Speaker 9 (01:37:04):
I mean I was I was absolutely sick on the
on the dead bed. Took me about three years to recover,
but that did not stop me from starting my own business.
For the money that I got out of my retirement,
I invested. Today I am running a two hundred thousand
dollars company from my house and five years I had

(01:37:28):
built it up. I created my own website. I do
an online business. I do my own designing of my products.
I get them made in China, I get them in
and I sell them online.

Speaker 7 (01:37:42):
So there is a bit of.

Speaker 9 (01:37:44):
Guts which are actually required by people. And the only
mission which I had in my mind is I will
never ever sit on benefit.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
Never well got on you, son, Jay, But you know,
talking about and congratulations on the business success, but it
sounds like you had no option but to make it work,
right that you had had some significant blows in your life.
You'd lost a job and then you were diagnosed with cancer,
and to bring it sort of full circle, I think
that's that's an element to it, is when someone desperately

(01:38:15):
needs to find work or find money, then there is
no option of not making it work. You really have
to do everything you can think of and hustle like
you've never hustled before. And I'm not being disparaging to
people out there who have found it really tough to
find another job. I get that it is incredibly tough
market at the moment. But you know, like yourself, you

(01:38:38):
started that business. That's a risky move for a lot
of people to do, to start a business and invest
money into it, and you've got no choice but to
make it work.

Speaker 9 (01:38:45):
And that to add the age of fifty nine, don
vito actually get that. So I've got three employers who
actually work for you, does I'm me and myself, just
three of us.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
Yeah, So, Jay, thank you very much as a great story,
and I wish I could chat more. But we've got
the headlines hot on our tail. But not a bad point.
I mean it is it's gutsy. I've never started a business,
so it's incredibly gutsy and quite often I think that
you do need some financial backing behind you, but many
people don't. Like Sunjay, he took a punt and he
figured I have to make this work no matter what,

(01:39:16):
because I've got no other option.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
That was a really great discussion. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
It was two and a half hours and it flew by,
so really appreciate everyone who called and text on that one.
But as the government is indicating, they hope this is
the peak when it comes to the unemployment rate, and
I suppose to use the old cliche. We'll just have
to wait and see on that one. Coming up after
the headlines. I do want to have a chat about
crazy behavior you've seen on the motorway after quite a

(01:39:42):
dramatic video you can see it on the Herald now
A runaway stolen car on its rims down the motorway,
scared it out of control, debris went flying. Luckily nobody
was hurt. But what is the craziest thing you've seen
on New Zealand motorways? O eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call headlines? With Raylene
coming up.

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Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Thank you very much, Raylan. So let's get into this one.
It was well, it looked like something out of a
low budget action fleck. Actually you can have a look
at the video online on the New Zealand Erald.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
This was a driver.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
They were clearly in a stolen car and they were
racing down Auckland's Northwestern Motorway on the rims of the
front wheel. There were sparks flying, It was weaving all
over the road. This was after police had set up
spike strips, so the chase ended after this car span out,
sending debris flying, and it caused chaos for other drivers.

(01:41:58):
It was another driver that kind of filmed what was
going on, and again you can check out that footage
on the Herald. Thankfully no one was seriously hurt, but
it is just the latest example of wild moments on
our road. They seem to pop up on a fairly
regular basis these days. And clearly that was a criminal
that stole in the car and the police were hot
on their tail and then they laid down the spikes.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
But still, if you see that video, and.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
If you were the driver video in this car on
its rims, you would be looking at that window thinking
what the heck is going on here?

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
So that's what I want to have a chat about.

Speaker 3 (01:42:31):
What is the craziest behavior that you have you seen
on our motorways and on our roads, whether that is
the car's going the wrong way, mattresses flying off trailers,
random roads, raids, in incidents there's been a few of
those heading the headlines recently. What was the most outrageous
thing you've ever seen on the motorway? Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. Now, I've rolled out this story

(01:42:53):
quite a bit, but it just blew my mind that
someone would do this. I was driving along the Southern
Motorway in Auckland and happened to look to the side
of me. We were going about sixty seventy k at
the time because there was a bit of traffic about,
and this fella had his phone propped and I swear,
without a word of a lie, I could see that
he was watching an episode of Friends while he was

(01:43:13):
driving down the motorway. I just looked at that, and
are you kidding me? Ah, you absolutely kidding me. It's
bad enough when somebody's tixing, but watching a TV show,
an old TV show for that matter, I thought that
was pretty crazy. But there's not a day that goes
by I think when I'm on the motorway that I
don't somewhat.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
Fear for my life.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
So keen to hear your experience as oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty, And it doesn't just have to
be on the motorway, maybe on the roads as well.
There's a lot of truckies that listen to this program,
so truck is keen to hear from you as well.
What's the craziest behavior you've seen on the open roads
while you're going about doing your business?

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to
call if you want to send a text comes through?
There's already a few flooding in nine two ninety two.
Is that number? And if you prefer to send an email,
you're more than welcome.

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
To do that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
Tyler at Newstalk ZB dot co dot NZ. Let's get
into it. It is twenty one to four.

Speaker 1 (01:44:06):
Mattie Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons
News Talks evy.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
Very good afternoon, cheuse.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
So I've asked the question, what's the craziest behavior you've
seen on the motorways or the New Zealand roads. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It was after quite
a dramatic video. You can watch it on the Herald
right now, Stoling car gunning it down one of the
Auckland motorways on Rims after it ran over some police
spikes swerving all over the road, sparks flying, then spun
out of control and debris went flying.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
It was full noise. It's worth checking out. But what
is the crazy behavior you've seen?

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty couple of text here, Tyler,
That guy must be a complete idiot who.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
They would want to watch Friends spot on.

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
I agree with your Texter, and this was when I
was driving down the motorway about eight months ago. Looked
to the side of me and saw a joker with
his phone on his windscreen watching an episode of Friends
while driving down the motorway. It's sixty kN hour. What
a numbscale. And it's a terrible show as well for
a lot of people. For others love it and that's fine. Yeah,
the point is don't watch Friends while you're driving. Lindsey,

(01:45:11):
how are you mate?

Speaker 9 (01:45:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:45:13):
Good.

Speaker 17 (01:45:13):
I'm going to step aside a little bit from crazy behavior.
But some fifteen years ago I was in the South
Hold on a motorbike and I was cruising up a
straight between the Conway and Cheviet. I think I was
remembered as a tour more straight. Anyhow, I was there
by myself, cruising along in the middle of the afternoon

(01:45:34):
and heading for the theory. There was a car away
behind me, and away in front there was a truck
coming down big track. So I'm looking all over the place,
but there's a close So I started to take a
bit more notice of it, and about fifty yards away,
one of the whole wheels off the trailer came down
the road and on a diagonal and I couldn't believe

(01:45:55):
that I couldn't go to the left because it could
have it could have caught me. So I rolled the
bike over there and headed for the white line, and
then I stood it up when I got to the
truck and bolted past. I don't know how close that
wheel was, where it was two or three inches to
each side of it was afoot, But I bet you

(01:46:17):
had it down to this the sent of me.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
That is terrifying, Lindsay.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
And when you get put into that position, I mean
what you feel like an if one driver having to
you know, get the old reaction speeds up, the par
and everything kind of slows down were you're trying to
swerve and avoid this wheel.

Speaker 17 (01:46:32):
No, there was no time for that, and all the
way to pick them pretty much. I went A thousand
and one, a thousand and two, it's all over, and
then I did it again, two over, and and I
looked back behind me. The truck was still going, the
guy was still coming, and I kept going. But when
that guy got he must have must have wondered what

(01:46:54):
I learned on the bike was heading for him and
then and then bolted down the side. But when he
her home, he probably worked out at the tire was got.
The wheel was gone one, just the tires, whole wheel.
I was going to I was going to go that day.
I was still yeah, all the way.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
Oh that is a great story. That is that is
a doozy. That's some insanity from that particular driver. Thank
you very much. Get a John.

Speaker 7 (01:47:21):
Anyway, nineteen sixty six, fifteen years old and made my
own in Willington. We came town each evening to do cleaning.
And we're heading home and the old so the motorway
wasn't built in those days, was the motorway.

Speaker 6 (01:47:37):
So we were heading north. This car shop passed us
that Nia Goods had went across the road side side
of the van cheap and bounced straight back into the lane.
Didn't stop hip going. We went for those that know
the when the main trunk railway goes over as a
huge pillar. She managed to miss that, but there was
traffic coming the other way. She shot across the road.

(01:48:00):
In the days of no seat belts. She had a
kid standing in the front and she hit this WEE
six driver. The driver two things happened. The kid went
straight through the window like a locket. I still got
visions in my head of that kid flying. Got pretty
smashed up but survived. The lady got thrown out and

(01:48:21):
he ended up to the under the front wheel of
these six. All the guys that were working on the
motorway at that time heard the crash, came running down
and I give ups to their foreman. He just lined
them all up around the car and said grab up,
peace or lift. We lifted it, pulled it out, pulled
it out. Police ambulance arrived. They took over and the

(01:48:42):
guy said, well, let's try and look this car again,
and we couldn't real it was. And you know this
is in the days of no seat bets, mate, There
were the amount of impact injuries from kids flying from
back seats and the other driver had the old Stirling
right in the chest.

Speaker 7 (01:49:01):
So scary times, the scary time.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
And how was the kid that obviously you know, going
through a wing?

Speaker 6 (01:49:08):
They also hope the police got a hold of us
where to go to the local police station to report it,
and well to be our view of it, because we
were we were trailing the car.

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
But man, that was you don't forget that in a hurry, John,
or ever as you say, you know, I can imagine
that vision of that kid flying through the windscreen wouldn't
be something you'd ever forget.

Speaker 6 (01:49:33):
They were saying, it's better to be late and be
dead on her arm.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
Oh exactly, mate. So did they ever find out what
happened to the woman? Did she So? Was it just
a moment of carelessness that that she bounced off the
van and then it all went wrong?

Speaker 6 (01:49:45):
No, apparently what the police said to us, and we
were only teenagers, like they said, it was a medication
issue that she had got out of killed her. Other
things were involved. But you know, don't you don't need
to tell children any more than they need to know. Yeah, yeah,
and it was it was a long time ago. It
was a different, different thing, but you know, cas John,

(01:50:09):
any speed, mate, you can fall off at a park
and break your.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
Lead Yep, exactly mate.

Speaker 3 (01:50:13):
And as you say, John, that was the time before seatbacks,
but now no excuse, just put your seat belt on,
and I think most of us do. But that's exactly why,
because you know you have a child that goes through
the windscreen and luckily that child was the right I mean,
that is that is a crazy story, Thank you very much, John,
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. What is the worst
driving you've seen on the motorway or open road in

(01:50:35):
your lifetime or recently as well?

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Can you get your views? Nine two nine two? Is
that text? Number? This one?

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
This text the here craziest thing I've seen on the
highway are people doing sixty to seventy k?

Speaker 17 (01:50:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
Very good, very good?

Speaker 3 (01:50:50):
And this one from Sr's not very happy with me, Tyler,
you were just as bad by laughing at the bad
driving out there.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
You need to grow up. What else do you do
but laugh?

Speaker 22 (01:50:59):
Is?

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
I love you?

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
I see your text comes through quite a bad but
I mean it's it's to the level of crazy that
what else are you going to do except for laugh
and just say the.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
World's a crazy place.

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
Sometimes oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is that
number to call back very shortly?

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
It is twelve to four.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talk Z.

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
It'd be very good afternoon. You we're talking about crazy
behavior you've seen on the road after quite a dramatic
piece of footage that you can watch on the Herald
right now, after a stolen car was on its rims
and spun out of control on the highway.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
Get a moston how are you?

Speaker 24 (01:51:38):
Oh good the first time caller. But what happened to
me in the dog this morning? We were walking I'm
from christ Church and we were walking past they Peck
and Saved supermarket. Suddenly I heard that this car came
right up over the path through the Pack and Save

(01:52:00):
shrubs and things, ended up in the car park of
Peck and Save and it would still about six the
caves and now, and just when we were only about
three or four steps from being right in the middle
of where the car came through.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
Wow, that is that is scary.

Speaker 7 (01:52:23):
Yeah, In anyway, I.

Speaker 24 (01:52:25):
Got in touch with Peck and Save and the menagement
came out and it's all where the carrie took potus
and things, and they were getting in touch with the please.
But the lady got out the car and just said, oh,
the car's okay. Oh, just the front wheel kep. He
wants chipping back and she gave it a kick and
jump and the car took off smartly. I think you

(01:52:48):
could have killed that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:50):
And what did she say to that? She said they
then took off, said she shouldn't have a license. Moston
that is that is some pretty crazy behavior. Glad you're okay,
and the dog as well. I've got to say, Marianne,
how are you?

Speaker 16 (01:53:05):
Hey?

Speaker 24 (01:53:05):
Good?

Speaker 22 (01:53:06):
Thanks? Hey, Look this was also a little while ago,
but still got PTSD when I think about it.

Speaker 16 (01:53:12):
Family.

Speaker 22 (01:53:12):
We were traveling from you know, the road from Matatar
and you go past Zesprey going into cheap Hooky.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
I've never driven a band, but I hear it's beautiful.

Speaker 22 (01:53:24):
Yeah, it is beautiful, but it's one lane. You know,
it's one lane each way. It's not a big road,
or it certainly wasn't there. Anyway, we come up behind
this car with a trailer on it and hanging on
to the back of the trailer and his little bloody
you know, red top gum boots would have been a
preschool Is this little kid hanging on to the back

(01:53:46):
of this trailer when the car is going like seventy k's.
It was unbelievable. I mean, maybe you've been helping the adults,
you know, mucking around, and you'd jumped onto the trailer,
but like there was no safety net or anything like that.
So we came up behind and then you know, we
don't want to get too close in case the kids
fell off. Yeah, and then we you know, ran over them.

(01:54:09):
So we honked and flashed and toutored and and we
didn't want to pass these guys because of the road.
It's not it's not a wide road, because sometimes people
speed up when you go to pass them, and we
didn't know if that was going to happen. Anyway, this
went on for like several minutes and we were.

Speaker 4 (01:54:26):
Absolutely bricking it.

Speaker 22 (01:54:28):
But for some reason, I don't know why, Maybe they
realized what the honking and the you know, they pulled over.
So the kid, you know, the kid made it. But
I suppose the lesson here is like around trailers and
little kids, and you know, I'm sure they were good parents,
but the little kid just got on that trailer and.

Speaker 5 (01:54:51):
It could have ended very badly.

Speaker 2 (01:54:53):
Well, it's seventy k.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
I mean, you know there were times that I was
in the back of the trailer on my parents orchard,
but that that wasn't at seventy k.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
You're right. You put the kids in the trailer, tied
them down, at least for goodness sake, Brenda, how are
you hi?

Speaker 4 (01:55:08):
I used to paint roads right.

Speaker 16 (01:55:13):
And we were doing relaying the lane markings at the
corner of we were a row of Victoria av and
the inside lane was completely blocked off with cones, literally walls,
the wall all up the side of the lane, all
up the side by the pedestrian by the footpath. The

(01:55:33):
pedestrians couldn't get there. And I just put the super
super effective paint stripper on the two arrows and so
there was a quite a line of cars because it
was down to one lane. Yep, this guy came up
the inside, got out of his car, moved about ten

(01:55:57):
cones and drove over the paint stripper on the two arrows.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
What a decade, What a dickad well, Its lovely.

Speaker 16 (01:56:07):
I could just watch it look up on the lower
panels of this car.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:56:12):
The only person that he stitched up well, apart from
your beautiful paint job, was his own car. So good routins,
I say, Brenda, but a great story. Thank you very much.
There is all the time we have for today.

Speaker 4 (01:56:23):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
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down at the Alternative Commentary Collective as part of November,
they are going non stop until they get a hole
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Speaker 3 (01:56:42):
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Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
They need it right now. Thank you for today, But
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