Full Show Podcast: 06 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good at you, Great New Zealanders, Welcome into podcasts two
three seven. Really good day today. We had a great
shet about freedom camping. There's a bit of controversy going
on down in Queenstown when it comes to the freedom campers,
as there often is, but that was a great hour.
Then we had two solid hours talking about the Hodaki
golf and this new Marine Protection Act that's coming in
that sees commercial operators. They're okay, recreational fishes. Mum and

(00:40):
Dad's going out on the boat catching a feed and
you can't do it. So that racked people up. But
it was a great show. As always. Met is off
this week, by the way, he's back next week, so
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Speaker 1 (00:56):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 3 (01:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:06):
Very good afternoon two. Welcome in to today's show. Hope
you haven't a great afternoon. It's a beautiful Thursday in Auckland,
but great to have your company as always. Right to
today's show, it is a big one for you. After
three o'clock, let's have a chat about Michelin Stars. It
turns out that there has been some Michelin Stars judges

(01:29):
in the country over the last year in secret, judging
everything from ingredients and cooking techniques to flavor and consistency.
Officials hope this will boost tourism, showcase local produce and
elevate New Zealand's dining scenes. So if you don't know
the history behind the old Michelin Star, it was created
in nineteen hundred by the tire company Michelin Tires, but

(01:51):
it now covers almost fifty destinations in The Michelin Guide
obviously has never had a presence in New Zealand or
Australia for that matter. Louise Upston, the Minister of Tourism
and Hospitality, says an estimated thirty six thousand more international
visitors could result from the Guide's move into New Zealand,
warn it could put pressure on chefs and focus too

(02:11):
much on prestige rather than every day dining. So is
that something you actually care about when you peck a restaurant.
Have you ever been to one of these select Michelin
Star restaurants and what was it like? Was it worth
the money? Was it expensive? Fine dining? To me, I
think just does not appeal the same way it used to.
We all know the costs of going out have skyrocketed

(02:33):
in recent years, that's no secret. But I went out
to a fine dining experience some months ago and it
was a bit of a special treat. It was a
birthday celebration just for me and my lovely partner, Mave
and the food was phenomenal, beautiful, the white Star, very attentive,
very lovely. Everything was was fantastic, But it was just

(02:53):
the portion sizes. After two hundred and fifty dollars and
three courses, I left still hungry. And call me old fashioned,
but I think when you spend two hundred and fifty dollars,
shouldn't you leave a place satisfied but keen to here
for you? Is there a bit of a pushback for
you when it comes to find dining or are you
right behind the idea of Michelin Stars coming to New

(03:14):
Zealand to celebrate our great hospitality venues. That is after
three o'clock. After two o'clock, a storm is brewing over
the Daki Golf where a new marine protection laws have
local fishes saying they've been shut out of their own backyard.
This is the long taled Hodaki Golf te Karpa Mowana
Marine Protection Act. It's banned recreational fishing and newly created

(03:37):
high protection zones. It's all part of a push to
restore the golf struggling marine life. But there is a
bit of a kicker, the fishes say this is commercial
operators can still apply to operate in some of those areas.
So a convoy of boats is set to roll out
across the harbor later this month in protest under the
banner Prioritize Looking after Kiwi's organizers say it's about fairness

(04:00):
that locals, not overseas fishing companies, should have the first
rights to New Zealand's waters and resources. So keen to
hear from you. If you're a fisher person, if you
are involved in the industry, how do you feel about this?
Our commercial operators put ahead of local recreational fishes who
just want to catch a feed for their families that
is after two o'clock. But right now, let's have a

(04:22):
chat about freedom camping. So more controversy when it comes
to freedom camping this time and not for the first time.
In the Queenstown Lakes District Council, they've recently passed a
by law which sets out fifteen new restricted zones where
freedom camping is permitted under some pretty tight rules. They say.
The goal is obviously to manage the huge boom in

(04:42):
freedom camping that's seen overnight stays in the district jump
thirty percent in the in a year. It's a big
move after the council's last by law was struck down
in court, leaving them powerless for an entire summer. But
there is some controversy, particularly over one of those areas,
it's called Beacon Point in Wanaka, where locals and the

(05:03):
groups Save Clean New Zealand say freedom camping could damage
fragile wetlands and create safety issues and just be a
nuisance to locals who like to enjoy that area. So
what have a chat to you about freedom camping? What
is it like where you are in New Zealand. I've
always been a bit funny of the pushback to freedom camping.
I think that is one of the freedoms and the
beautiful things we've had in this country for a long

(05:25):
time that whether you're a Kiwi or a guest of
this country, you can park up if you've got a
self contained vehicle in most places around the country, and
as long as you're not a dickhead, then you get
to stay there for a couple of nights. So it's
a common sense thing, and I think most Kiwis and
visitors have that respect when it comes to freedom camping.
But it seems time and time again there's massive pushback

(05:49):
to any of these beautiful areas or freedom camping being
able to exist in those areas. So really keen to
have a chat with you on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Are you still facing a bit of a pushback when
it comes to freedom camping in your area? And what
is it actually like? I see there's another story that
was published this morning about some freedom camp causing a
bit of upset to Auckland's Scouts group. This is in

(06:11):
Herne Bay and they say that they are defecated and
leaving trash all over the place. So clearly there are
still some freedom campers who are taking the mix, so
to speak. But I think there are fines in place
to be able to deal with that is they're not
the Motor Home Caravan Association members. I know there is
a heck of a lot of you. I think about
four hundred thousand is in there. How do you feel

(06:32):
about the freedom camping rules as they sit at the moment?
Are they working and do we just need to be
a little less sensitive about freedom campers who want to
park up in some of our most beautiful parts of
the world the country rather and just stay a couple
of nights. It is something that you can't do in
many other places in the world. You can do it
here in New Zealand as long as you're not addict

(06:54):
about it. What is wrong with that? Can you get
your views? Nine two ninety two is the text number.
And that number again, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty it is twelve past one.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
They'd be afternoon. So I'm talking about freedom camping. There's
more controversy in the Queenstown Lakes District. They've finally got
through a by law when it comes to freedom camping,
and they've selected fifteen spots around that area where freedom
campers and self contained vehicles can pull up. But the
locals still aren't happy. So that's why we're having a
chat about this. It seems to be a continuous scrap

(07:32):
on both sides when it comes to freedom camping. So
do we need some sort of national law. It's always
the councils who enact these various by laws and you
can park here and you can stay here, and then
the locals fight back and we go back to square one.
So what is wrong with just having a national freedom
camping policy? And we don't have to get so precious
about people in self contained vehicles that's already the rules,
being able to pull up on the side of the

(07:54):
road or these beautiful spaces to stay for a couple
of nights. What is so wrong with that? It is
something you can't do in many other places in the world.
You can do it here. So have we got a
bit precious when it comes to freedom camping? Love to
get your thoughts on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
get a Mike, Hey, Mike, or might come back to Mike.

(08:16):
I just wonder maybe if that fader is down there
in the back locky. Let's try Colleen. Hello, Colleen. Yeah,
we might just have a wee fader issue with the phones.
Mike and Colleen. You just told there and we'll just
figure out what's going on with that phone system. But
a couple of techs coming through on nine to nine two.
Gette Tyler. I live in Tikapo. The issue is with

(08:38):
the juicy vans. They took away the freedom camping areas
eight years ago. Doing this has caused a bigger problem.
Now they just park up anywhere, leave rubbish, make a mess,
washing themselves in the public toilet. It absolutely stinks. And
this one a lot of freedom camping areas are now
just sealed car park areas with maybe five allocated parks

(08:58):
next to each other. Queenstown could have invested lots of
their tourism allowance to infrastructure like toilets or what other
councils have done Kiwi cash scheme whereby you have a
tag that takes a few dollars if you use the facilities.
Some councils welcome freedom campers and others just do their
best to deter them. Most people I meet are very respectful.

(09:19):
I find the North Island is one big rubbish pit,
not caused by campers but by tradees etc. Turning their bottles,
cans and rubbish out their window. Look at the sides
of every road, it's not just camper rubbish. And that's
a great point, isn't it. You know, when you talk
about people doing or behaving badly when it comes to
the sides of our roads, it's not always just freedom campers,

(09:41):
is it. I think fair to say a lot of
key we chuck stuff on the side of the road
and defecate and urinate and all the rest of it
as well. Mike, I think we've got you there. How
are you? No, still don't have Mike. I'll tell you what.
We're going to take a quick break. You guys just
told them I'm stalking to hear from you. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty and just he heads up.
Matt is off this week. He will be back next week.

(10:02):
But we are talking freedom camping and love to get
your thoughts and experiences. Are you pro more freedom camping
and a little less sensitivity or do you think the
rules need to be tightened up. Back very shortly. It
is eighteen past one.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Job ads are up, so it is at the bottom
of better times coming well.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
Were two indicators in there that were positive.

Speaker 6 (10:25):
So there was really strong growth in the hour's work
that was up zero point nine percent for the period.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
So that's positive because of course when people.

Speaker 6 (10:33):
Are working more hours, that suggests there's more activity going
on in the economy and they're able to get more.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
Income into their family. Also, there's been.

Speaker 6 (10:41):
A shift away from part time to full time employment
because you had the full time employment rate up in
the part time rate down a bit. So those are
two positive indicators.

Speaker 7 (10:52):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
For a good afternoons you. It's twenty one past one.
We're talking about freedom camping in New Zealand. There's a
couple of stories today. A bit of controversy down in
the Queenstown Lates district with one particular site on lake
locals aren't happy. And in Auckland Saint Heliers, the local
Scouts group says that freedom campers are a bunch of
dirty buggets leaving trash and tificating all over that site,

(11:17):
so they're not happy. But what do you say, Mike,
I think we've got you now, Hi, Hi good?

Speaker 8 (11:23):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree with those restrictions. When you're
discussing pristine, beautiful areas like the Queensland Queenstown Lakes District.
You know, you yet, the wildlife's incredible, the scenery, just
the the green, clean image of New Zealand, and that's

(11:45):
very important for visiting tourists. So we don't want dirty
old toilet paper and number two's floating around the place
at all, because we've got our reputation at stake, and
word of mouth goes a long way around the world.
And you know, freedom camping all over the place making

(12:06):
a mess and leaving rubbish and cars not being able
to part properly because there's vans in the way and things.
I mean, you know that that that's disruptive. So I'm
all for it. And further further to that is the
fact that if camp freedom campers are restricted from camping
in those areas well, then that creates an opportunity for

(12:29):
new startup businesses camping grounds. People buy a bit of
property heck there or something in the area close by,
and they can make a living. The government gets tax
from that when people pay money per night to stay,
creates jobs, a whole lot of benefits from restricting people
from you know, from messing up the pristine environment that

(12:52):
we need to impress tourists with. So yeah, I think
it's a great idea.

Speaker 9 (12:56):
And you know that that.

Speaker 8 (12:57):
You know, if you call the restrictions a cloud, well,
a cloud has silver lining and all of the side
benefits that flow on from this definitely benefit everyone.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
I mean, you've raised a lot of good points and
a lot of good reasons why people get fed up
with freedom campers. But I'll just read you out this text, Mike,
and it it's kind of where I'm sitting here, see
is hi Tyler. I don't own a camper, but if
I did, I was born and bred in New Zealand.
This is my country. I'll park wherever I damn where
I want to from, Brad, That's kind of where I'm
coming from. I mean, the international tourist thing is a
side thing for me is you've got to bring them

(13:32):
into the freedom camping discussion. Absolutely, But the whole idea
that there are rules that are dictated by accouncil and
where you can park up and sleep for the night
doesn't sit right with me as a New Zealand and
that was something I always was able to do when
I was younger, and then over the last five six
seven years, this freedom camping debacle has tried to dictate

(13:53):
where I can do that. Can you understand that that rationale?

Speaker 8 (13:56):
Mike, Absolutely, But too many people are responsible and they
spoil things for everyone else. I mean, if people, I mean,
if you're sleeping, you're not going to be viewing the scene.
So go up the road on the main road, sleep
in the gravel pit on the side of the main
road somewhere. I mean, you know, there's easier said, but

(14:17):
you know, just actually can lead to your next segment
after two, about the money and revenue situation with restricting
fish private recreational fishes from fishing in the harbor, but
leading to Michelin, but I don't want to go down
that rabbit hole this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's a fair point. I mean, it is,
You're right, there's some similarities there. Absolutely, Mike. Always good
to chat with you. Mate, thank you very much for
kicking us off. Oh waight, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? What is your thoughts
on when it comes to freedom camping? Have we got
the settings about rights? Or have we got a little
bit too over sensitive when it comes to freedom campings?
Do we need to loosen up a little bit, maybe

(14:58):
get the government to sort out the regulations rather than
individual councils who can't seem to make up their mind,
or get everybody on board. Colleen, how are you hello?

Speaker 10 (15:08):
I really like everything that he.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Said before made some good points.

Speaker 10 (15:13):
Yeah, absolutely, it's all good and I agree as long
as you if you want to do a number two's
bury your poos ye and yeah. And the other thing
is the bloody rubbish. I've just driven past you're talking
about stalias. I just have driven past Mission Bay and
there's hundreds of people there in the water and the

(15:34):
last thing you want to do is come across the
pile of you know those or rubbish.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, I mean that is to me, that's a weird sight, Colleen. Like,
I know I'm advocating here that I think you should
be able to park up in a self contained vehicle
pretty much anywhere in New Zealand, but when you're parking
up in the middle with cities, I think that is
a strange thing. So, you know, my argument is changing
as we go along, and that's not necessarily a bad thing,

(16:00):
but having maybe some regulations around residential areas I think
is very different to the likes of Lake Wanaka, which
is kicking off at the moment that is not close
or next door to to anybody's property. That is public
space and it's by a very beautiful lake. I just
don't think there should be much much of a problem
with people using something like that. And if they are

(16:21):
being grubby and they there's some bad behavior, then there's
fines that can be utilized to sting those people.

Speaker 10 (16:28):
Yeah, they definitely need to bury their dodos. To lead
dodoos anywhere.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
They should give them a spade when they hire the
camper the juicy rental should give them a wee spade
to go along with it.

Speaker 10 (16:41):
Oh god, there at might at ten that's probably eight
thousand of them. I mean, it's like it should be
part of a cat.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
It should be Yes, yeah, yeah, good on your Colleen.
Thank you very much for giving me a buzz I.
Eight hundred eighty teen eighty is that number to call
Keen to get your thoughts on freedom camping? Are the
rules about rights? Or have we gone a little bit
silly and clamping down on these freedom campers. It's all
kicking off down in Queenstown and up in Auckland as
well in Saint Helier's. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is number to call back very shortly. Got the headlines

(17:10):
coming up. It's twenty seven past one.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
You talk said the headlines.

Speaker 11 (17:18):
With blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble with a blue bubble.
New Zealand has no new measles cases today, with only
three of the seventeen confirmed cases still infectious. Labor says
it hopes to increase uptake of cervical cancer screening with
its promise to make it free through its proposed health medicard.

(17:38):
Lifelins asking the government for a two million dollar bailout
after it's had to reduce operating hours for helping people
in crisis to seven am or from seven am, I
should say to Midnight. New York's young new mayor, Zoran
Mamdani says he's open to conversation with his president who's
threatened to withhold funding if Mamdani won. Former Green MP

(18:01):
Kevin Haig As returning to Parliament to become the party
chief of staff. He said leadership roles at the West
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Sanctuary says there's been interest in buying the facility and
caring for the Big Cat after it announced this week
it would have to put down the remaining lions. It
says it's exploring the possibility Silver fir and Star Catherine

(18:25):
Hall on juggling professional netball with medical school studies. You
can see more at Ensen Herald Premium. Back to matt
Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Thank you very much, Raylean. We are talking about freedom camping.
There's more controversy down in the Queensound Lakes district. They've
finally managed to get a bylaw through when it comes
to freedom camping and have allocated fifteen areas where if
you've got a self contained vehicle you can park up.
But the local stall aren't happy. And this was after
they tried to get a bylaw through last year and failed.
It got taken to court and they were unsuccessful. And

(18:57):
then there's a story this morning about the freedom camping
in Saint Haliers in Auckland. The local scout halls say
that there's some really grubby behavior going on with the
freedom camp in that allocated area. Defecation, trash, bad behavior.
So what do you say, I one hundred eighty ten eighty.
Have we got the settings right or do we need

(19:18):
a more general overview from central government rather than letting
councils dictate. O one hundred eighty ten eighty is that
number to call? Get a bob?

Speaker 9 (19:27):
Yes, good afternoon.

Speaker 12 (19:28):
You're talking about one of my favorite subjects, camping.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
I'm glad you've rung up and this is a great subject.
We've got full boards, so people are interested in this one, Bob.

Speaker 9 (19:38):
Look, I've been a motor home and a member of
Motor Home Association for over thirty five years.

Speaker 12 (19:45):
So I'm very familiar with what used to be and
what is now, and especially the Queenstown Lakes area. The
queenstownd Lakes basically in their heart of hearts acts of
actively discourage freedom camping.

Speaker 9 (20:00):
They don't like it. They do everything they can to
stop it.

Speaker 12 (20:04):
Fort to the Motorhome Association is a big enough organization
and have taken to the court a number of times
and one every time. But from my perspective, many years ago,
back in the early nineties, I used to organize parking
on a terrace overlooking the One airfield for the biennial

(20:25):
war Bridge over One air show.

Speaker 10 (20:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (20:27):
Great show, and yeah, I don't know where you've been
to it, but I've been many times.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, about fifteen years ago I went to it and
I was blown away. It was amazing.

Speaker 12 (20:35):
Well, I think I've done I think I've been fifteen times.
But you will have noticed the motor homes up on
the terrace across the road from airfield.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Did.

Speaker 9 (20:45):
Yeah, well that's that. I used to organize them.

Speaker 12 (20:47):
Right, And in doing so I fell foul of the
Queenstown Lakes Council because they accused me of well, the
words they use were setting up a tent city. So,
being particularly you know, cautious, I said, no, I don't
even own a tent, so I'm not setting up a
tenth city.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Good answered.

Speaker 12 (21:09):
They later on found that I had parked on this
property on private land with the owner's permission, and even
everybody up there had paid a three day.

Speaker 9 (21:18):
Pass to be at the air show. So the Warbirds appreciate.
In fact, I used to work.

Speaker 12 (21:23):
With their general manager guy. He's moved on and passed
away now, the guy Davin Johnson, and he worked with
me and we put people up on his terrace, you know,
for the last time was there was actually twenty eighteen,
which was before COVID, and that was our last show.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
That we did.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Well, go on you for fighting the power, Bob, But
just quickly before you carry on, why do you think
Queenstown Lakes District Council was so anti freedom camping Because
I think they.

Speaker 12 (21:48):
Want the rich and famous to come and spend their
big dollars in the big flash hotels and in the
lodges and things like that. They do not like the
thought of motor homes parked.

Speaker 9 (22:00):
You know.

Speaker 12 (22:01):
Well, well I've always parked cautiously. One of the places
at Queen's Sa I parked. I was with Lake Hayes,
fairly raggedy.

Speaker 9 (22:09):
Road down onto Thing.

Speaker 12 (22:10):
I just to park under the bushes. The locals we're
self contained, were totally don't prove in the bushes. We
don't do any of that. But in twenty twelve, of course,
the you know, in alliance to the British, the government
board in the Freedom Camping Hall. But basically it's said
that you can park self contained vehicles can park anywhere
they like unless there is good reason that they should

(22:33):
not do so, and which case councils were able to
decide that's a good place. You can park there and
know you can't park there, but with a reason. It's
a wetland, or it's a bird center, it's something like that.
But Queenstown, they have been many countries. I live in
the Bay of Plenty and the Western Bay of Plenty
is is very.

Speaker 9 (22:53):
Open with that.

Speaker 12 (22:54):
There are numerous freedom camping sites. It is purely Queenstown.

Speaker 9 (22:59):
Lakes that is the main issue.

Speaker 12 (23:01):
Oh sorrytar Mandal closely, but I think Thames is falling
to line now. Basically Queenstown Lakes they don't want us.
They actively discourage us or try to in the grounds.
Oh we love you to come here, but here's fifteen sites.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well again, Bob, you know, I say, with all due respects,
grew the Queen's Tall Lakes District Council. This is our country.
You know, they've got jurisdiction as a local council. But
where we should be able to park up and stay wherever?
We damn feel like as long as we are abiding
by the rules and not being dickheads. And there's as
I understand it, Bob, there's fines that can be dished

(23:38):
out if you are leaving trash or bad behavior or
defecating or all those things we don't want to see.

Speaker 12 (23:45):
Well, as for that, the INNS in MCA the Motor
Caravan Association is very pro policing its own members. If
you complain about a motor home, you pick the well,
they only give a registration, but they do have a
wings with a number on it.

Speaker 9 (23:58):
But to just give a registration.

Speaker 12 (24:00):
So this van being a dickhead and it's got the
wings on it reported to NS and MCAA, they will
take quite severe action, as much as expelling. They can't
find them, of course, because I'm not a legal identity,
but they can certainly suspel or suspend members from the
association stopping am using their facilities.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Well that, yeah, that is good because I know there's
some serious discounts if you're part of the association. How
many members have you got, Bob.

Speaker 12 (24:26):
I believe there's something like one hundred and thirty five
thousand family memberships relating I think to in the vicinity
of something about sixty thousand motor homes, right, so it's
a big fleet.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
So with all this in mind, Bob, because this is
what does my head, and there's all these various councils
making up or trying to make up their own by laws,
would it not make sense for the government to step
in here and say, here's the regulations, here's the laws,
here's the fines that can be dished out and taken
away from the councils.

Speaker 13 (24:54):
Well, they do.

Speaker 12 (24:54):
The government brought in this twenty twelve Biofreedom Camping Law
which allowed it to do but it had to go
back to councils to actually differentiate, differentiate, you know, the
places you can from the places you cannot. And a
lot of Queenstown Lakes I believe they say which could
other councils say yes, sefty fine, Queenstown Lakes say no.

Speaker 9 (25:19):
And that's what they actively, I believe, actively pursue.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, Bob, thank you very much for giving me a buzz.
That's some good information there, and you've got a lot
of experience and one hundred and thirty thousand members for
the Old Motor Home Caravan Association. If you're one of
those members. Love to hear from you. I imagine you
would concur with what Bob was saying, but love to
hear your experiences when it comes to freedom camping, and
particularly the Queenstown Lakes District Council. Are they as anti

(25:42):
freedom camping and motorhome and caravan as Bob was saying? Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number? A
quick couple of the text here, Hi, Tyler, I'm from
Wonakah and people there love to put the infrastructure into
any sentence when complaining or having an opinion. Freedom campers
are like the neighbor's cat. You put food out for
your own cat, but the neighbor's cat keeps taking the

(26:05):
free lunch around a major, well known hostel for eighteen years.
They are a pain in the ass. Keep those texts
coming through on nine two nine two back very shortly.
It is twenty one to two.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Your home of afternoon talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams. Afternoons
call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
They'd be very good.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Afternoon cheer. We're talking about freedom camping. Do you think
it does good for our tourism and for our general
freedoms of traveling around our beautiful country or does it
cause more harm than benefit to local communities? Love to
hear your thoughts. So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number? Call get a craig.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Yeah, good mate.

Speaker 7 (26:42):
Yeah, a lot of interesting calls coming in and you
can sort of understand both sides of the coin here.
It's sort of a you know, that's how it works.
But I would say like I traveled in a house
bus round about eighty of nine years around New Zealand
and always had an ad on the back for building

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deck fences, doing concrete work, that kind of thing. So
I've just you know, a working holiday if you'd like
to put it that way.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
It sounds lovely.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah, pretty cool way to live.

Speaker 7 (27:15):
The biggest issues I did actually find, to be honest,
which is kind of instantly listening to this was round
Queen's Town until I got on side with the local
park ranges and things, because I was just cleaning up
rubbish and banging rubbish and they found me doing that
quite really so that that gave me some cut off

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points if you like. But it is I can sort
of understand people being abut to set by it. But
at the same time, why have we taken away all
the toilets and rubbish if we want people to you know,
we want tourists, yet we're doing pretty much everything we
can to make it really hard for them, So toilets

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and showers and things like that. It should just be
set up a way to make you know, not only
to keep it cleaner and envie, but also to make
it a better experience of people that are traveling here.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
So true, I mean on both of those accounts. The
removal of rubbish spins left, right and center for locals
as well as tourists. I mean, that is crazy town
and the access to toilets in many parts of the country.
You're right, you've got to have that infrastructure there. And
it's not to excuse the bad behavior of people who
are freedom camping and others. As you say, a lot

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of it is locals who are dumping trash. But yeah,
that is a big part of it. And again it
comes down to councils. It's the councils who removed all
the rubbish spins and don't want to front up for
some decent toilets.

Speaker 7 (28:46):
Yeah, well I'm in Watomo now I've been living here
for quite a few years, and the same issues are
sort of occurring here. So you've obviously got a lot
of freedom campers coming to wait Tomo for the caves
and different things, And I honest, to be totally honest,
I don't see them leaving the big messes. I quite

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often see local going things that are that's pretty much dodgy.
So I'm not sure if you can just hammer the
freedom champers. I mean, I'm sure there's a few of
them who are not responsible, but the majority I don't
see them leaving rubbish behind. If I am cleaning up
after the locals.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, yeah, wel good on you. I'm glad someone's cleaning up. Craig,
you're a great New Zealander. On one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call a couple of
sects here, Hi, Tyler, we are traveling in a self
contained motor home at the moment, and the great majority
of your phone calls about freedom camping this afternoon are
talking through a hole in their heads. We've just been
to Rua Kaka with ten vehicles parked alongside us. The

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council had a toilet for the public to use and
there was not a problem. Tay Happy has shower and
toilets which are new set aside for people on the road,
and in my opinion that is what town should do.
After all, aren't New Zealand trying to get the overseas
visitors back into the country that's from Claudia. Yeah, I'd
have to agree with that. That infrastructure is a big
part of it. But as I said, this is you know,

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this is a country we grew up and to have
counsels try and dictate where you can and can't park
up and stay, to me is just a little bit
on the nose. But what do you say, Oh one
hundred and eighteen eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 14 (30:19):
Get a phil Oh good afternoon. Now I meet the
side of the freedom camping. I used to be very
very happy with it until the Rugby World Cup twenty eleven.
That's when everything changed. Freedom camping to me is freedom, yeah,

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and as in a free to stop where you like,
park where you like and enjoy yourself. Now, even prior
to that, when I used to go tramping with my son,
we would hike in the bush a lot. Okay, there's
no facilities, but we always dug a hole and did

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our business and covered it up so no trace left whatsoever.
But the absurdity since the Rugby two are twenty eleven,
it's all turned to custard. The Council has far too
much say in the matter. They dictate what you can

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or cannot do. They hire security people companies to do
the Council's dirty work. It's just left a sour taste
in my mouth over the years, and quite frankly, this
year I decided I've had enough of all this nonsense.

(31:47):
I sold no motor home about three four months ago
and I'm not doing it anymore, simply because I don't
feel happy doing it. It's just turned so political. Lovely
vehicle I had, fully self contained. I sold it for
one hundred and thirty thousand dollars. It had everything in

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there that you had, just like being at home, totally
responsible at all times. I'm currently a member of the
nz MCA. I will not be renewing my membership because
even the club itself has turned political over the years

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as a part.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Of that fella, and that's a shame to hear. But
clearly you've made up your mind because it was not
enjoyable anymore. But do you think a part of that
is because it did get so political, as you say
after the Rugby World Cup, and I'll take your word
for it, that was about when this freedom camping debarcle
kicked off. That it kind of turned a whole bunch
of New Zealanders against people who were just wanting to

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enjoy our country and travel around and park up and
be respectful. But it was almost that vigilante action that
was almost spurned on by councils.

Speaker 14 (33:03):
That's quite correct. Sadly, I feel better now that I'm
out of it all together. The nz MCA was formed
for one reason, and that was seventy odd years ago
to Originally it was a caravan club. There was a

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separate caravan club and a person wanted to join the club,
but who was not permitted to because he had a
converted bus. And that's how the nz MCA started. So
members had to have a self propelled vehicle simply because

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the caravan club would not welcome any anyone with a
motor home or converted bus. Unfortunately, we're going into a
full circle now and the nz MCA has opened it
up to fifth wheelers caravans, a vehicle that can be
classified as self contained. So the format of the club

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has changed considerably over the years. And so I've had
enough of the club. I've had enough of the councils,
the government or the controversy, and I'm out of it.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, well, I'm sorry to hear that. Vell. It sounds
like you've here. We can tell you've had enough. You've
had enough of everything when it comes to freedom camping
and you're out, which is a shame for yourself. And
ain't you going to fight that power? This is your country.
You can't let diddy old councils dictate where you're going
to park up and enjoy this wonderful country of ours?
Or can you if you disagree, love to hear from you, Oh,

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eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Should counsels have the
right to restrict freedom camping in sensitive areas? Or should
people be able to camp everywhere? It is ten minutes
to two bag very shortly, Mad.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on, Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty, it's Mad Heathen Tyler Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
News for a good afternoon eight to too. Have we
got the settings right when it comes to freedom camping
Love to get your thoughts. Nine two nine two is
the text number get a Sheryl.

Speaker 15 (35:20):
Hi, how are you, Tyler?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
I am fantastic on this Thursday afternoon. Hope you are too.

Speaker 15 (35:25):
Yeah, no, it's pretty cool now, I mean I'm This
is one of my pet subjects for the simple reason
we live on a beach which we paid a lot
of money for and pay huge amount of rates to
have that privilege of living close to the beach. Sadly,
the beach is not monitored or considered to be of
value to the community by either councils. It's got a

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regional council and a district council that are supposed to
take care of it. So consequently, over mostly over the summer,
we can have a beach that is, it's a beautiful beach,
but it has a lot of issues around the birds
and the lagoons and things like that. But we can
have up to sixty campers and motor homes and cars

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which they have got the classification but are not fully
self contained, and they just take up the whole beach
and they just don't move on. So consequently, we have
our locals. We can't go down there and comfortably go
and access the beach because you've got to fight your
way through vans and people sprawl everywhere. But I do
understand there is a need for people to be able

(36:31):
to go and have that opportunity to freedom camp. So sadly,
when you've got when you're in that space, when you know,
I would be happy to see a part of our
beach allocated for all freedom campers. There is a toilet
close by, but it's not it's for people who like
to walk. And we've got lots of bushwalks and things
around the area.

Speaker 10 (36:51):
And I can.

Speaker 15 (36:52):
Understand people don't want to go and pay the seventy
dollars a night to camp in a motor camp site.
Most of them have been taken away now hence the
reason people freedom camp. But it's getting that balance right,
you know, and.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
On you because there's nuance here. I'm not talking about
carp lunch park up wherever you want for however long
you want, anywhere in New Zealand, but that flexibility, and
that's exactly a way around at Cheryl that you allow
people to come to a part of the beach so
everybody gets to enjoy it. And that's the whole point
of it, right is this is all of our country
and we want visitors to enjoy it as well. But
it's about their common sense and putting some things in

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place that everybody or as many people as possible win.

Speaker 15 (37:32):
Well, yeah, and it should be in my opinion, it
should be. Aby should be sufficient signage to advise people
because at the moment we're telling people about where they
can camp and where they can't camp, and they say, oh,
but Google Maps have sent us here. Well, Google Maps
doesn't say anything just because somebody's posted, oh we stayed
it so and so and it was really nice. All

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of a sudden, everybody else goes there. But we need
proper signage. We need including a limited stay time. You know,
two days is perfect. Move on, let somebody else come
and enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Good on your share, and that's why should you know,
the central government should jump in and just help with
some of those regulations as well. Jay, we've got about
sixty seconds, but you are pro restrictions on the freedom campers,
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (38:19):
It's easy for people around the country to go, oh,
they're personal rights, personal rights, but once you've lived somewhere.
I'm from Queenstown where people are you know in abundance.
For example, we've got a street called Park Street in Queenstown.
It's very high in housing. They're paying fortune and rates.
The whole street at the lakefront street, whole street full
of camp of vans, people washing with soap in the lake,

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which we shouldn't be doing.

Speaker 9 (38:44):
Yeah, yes, there's.

Speaker 16 (38:45):
Two everywhere we've had dogs or on poo. It is
out of control and that's hard for you guys to
understand that. But it needs some sort of tidy up.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, and that's very fair. I have seen that Jay
when I've been down in Queenstown and that's not something
that any residents should live next to. But now it's
been a great discussion and therein lies the problem that
there's a lot of nuance. And clearly, if you're in
a tourism hot spot like Jay, the behavior is next
level bad and you get people washing themselves in the
lake and defecating all over the show. But then you

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get many other places where in the country where you
should just be able to park up, enjoy our beautiful
country and not have the council try and dictate where
you can and can't go. Great discussion though there will
be plenty more on freedom camping over the next couple
of months. I'm sure as we get into summer. Coming
up after two o'clock, I want to have a chat
about fishing regulations. It's all kicking off in the Hodaky

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Golf that is coming up very shortly.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
That'd be very good afternoons. You welcome back to the program.
It is six past two, so fishermen wanting to catch
food for their families are upset at a new act
stopping them from fishing in areas of the Hodaky Golf,
but commercial fishing could still be allowed under that act.
A convoy of fishes will tow their boats across Auckland
on November the twenty second, saying the new Hodaky Golf

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Marine Protection actors pushing them further off short into unfamiliar areas.
Ben Chazelle is the organizer of the One Ocean Protest,
and he joins me, now get a Ben, Hey, how
you knowing very well? So under this act, how far
will you have to go out? It's a fairly significant
area they're going to be targeting right, Yeah.

Speaker 17 (40:26):
There's a lot of new zones introduced, but they're sort
of scattered around. For example, you know, basically all the
whole inside of Kiawah Islanders has completely blocked off, So
there's a lot of guys that you have little batchers
there or little beach side things. Kids that would fish
off the wharf they can know no longer do that.

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But then you've also got the Noisies, which is a
very very popular place and still a lot of fish around.
Guys that used to have that is, you know, almost
like a guaranteed spot. They now have to find new,
unfamiliar areas, so you're to be a lot more travel
involved for the majority of fishermen.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
So the big bone of contention with all this being
is that you and and thousands of other other fishes
feel that it treats recreational fishes, you guys who just
go out and catch food for your families, primarily compared
to the commercial operators.

Speaker 17 (41:21):
Yeah, has been going on for quite some time. You know,
just look back at Tony Orton's resignation letter, you know,
and he was involved in the so called consultation process
for the public or the recreational sector. He goes on
to state that, you know, he basically felt it was
a predetermined outcome. We haven't been listened to for a
long time. Well, every other organization that has an interest

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in the golf and of the white in New Zealand,
they will have their favor, but we don't have ours,
and we represent a very large number of people.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
You know, has this often been the case, I mean,
this particular actors has been proposed and as you say,
there wasn't much public consultation of any to be able
to get the thoughts of recreational fishes. But does it
feel like it is time and time again the commercial
operators they get some allowances and exemptions and it is
the recreational guys who tend to miss out. And arguably,

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whether you agree with this, that the recreational guys would
probably do less harm to the oceans than the commercial guys.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Yeah, well look at that.

Speaker 17 (42:23):
I mean, looking at the statistics, recreational takers around about
five percent of the total take for the country. But
it's important to note that what we're doing here, it's
not an attack on any commercial fisher men and women,
you know, if they're doing what they need to do
and what they know how to do to feed their families.
But recreational and I don't even like using that term

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because it just makes it, you know, look like running
on it's for fun. But you know what, I like
to call it the public fishing interests and never listen
to you know, you just have to look at even
boat rams getting shut down for condos to get built
on and even guys that have launchers. You know, there's
marinas getting shut down so they have to move their
boats further afield's. It's in every aspect. This is just

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the one that's that's hold in everyone's tongues at the moment.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
You know, would it be easier to swallow being if
if there were no exemptions for the commercial guys as well,
that these areas are high protection areas for everybody and
everyone's got to abide by that. Would that be more
in line with with what you guys are asking for here.

Speaker 17 (43:30):
One hundred percent?

Speaker 9 (43:31):
You know, it's.

Speaker 17 (43:34):
It's really hard pill to swallow, and it also sets
a very very dangerous precedent because you know, make no
bones about it, this is going to happen to the
rest of the country, and the rumors that are the
next on the agendas, you know, the Newson area. So
having this little loophole now might only seem like an
insignificant amount, but it allows for a very very dangerous

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president to be set and things to be bent, you know,
going forward potentially.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
So what do you guys want to see if you
you know, can get some traction here with the powers
that be on this this HbA for the Hodaki golf
what what would you be calling for? What do you
want them to change?

Speaker 17 (44:16):
The main thing is like as you say, it's if
you're if you're calling it a high protection area, how
are you still howing commercial fishing to exist in there?
And you know, the main thing really is we need
a seat at the table. We need to be taken seriously.
The marine and fishing industry, recreationalized contributes a huge GDP

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to the country. And we're all walks of life where
we're rich, we're poor, we're from all over New Zealand,
so everybody you know, we we fish, we care, and
we vote as well. So people need tate that into consideration.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Does it come does it come back to being you know,
the idea for a lot of New Zealanders out there
for many generations is you can go out on the
boat and catch yourself a feed for the family. You
feel that right is slowly being eroded.

Speaker 17 (45:06):
It is, and it's been eroded by bit, and you
know there's certainly people out there that says, oh, it's
only small amount, it's only a small amount. We'll look
back far enough at all the small amounts. They all
add up to a large amount. And I guess this
just came about due to just getting frustrated and saying no,
that enough is enough. You know, we've had enough. I'll

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use the voice I have and see who else is
interested in. It ends out there was a lot.

Speaker 10 (45:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
I mean you've got how many people have you got
in your Facebook page the New Zealand Fishing community. It's
about one hundred and ten thousand, is that right?

Speaker 17 (45:39):
See hundred and ten thousand. So where a group runs
slightly different than a page. It's very interactive between members.
But I think we're the largest in the Southern Hemisphere
as a fishing group. So there's a huge, huge voice
and other people were bringing this up, and I thought, right,
you know, now's the time to do something that we
probably let the ball slip with the whole ky golf.

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We've got a bit complacent thought it wouldn't happen, and
then all of a sudden it has. But maybe we
can help the rest of the country and maybe we
can get some of these toy adjustments to the hurricane
golf changed as well.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah, so you've got the protest on November twenty two, Ben.
If people are listening and they want to get involved,
how can they do that. Have you got a website?

Speaker 7 (46:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (46:23):
So at the moment we're just running through the Facebook
page one Ocean Protest. We also have an Instagram channel
as well, just to try and reach some people. But
if there's any interest in there that can jump on
there and follow that. They can also join the Inns
Fishing Community Facebook group where it's more of a discussion
based forum. But yeah, that will keep everyone up to

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date with everything that's happening. So we're all set for
the twenty seconds. We had another meeting this morning with
police and Orphan Transport, so everything's a bove board and
ready to go.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Yeah, well, good luck for that. I've got a final
question for you, Ben though ec and your time as
a fisherman, and I take it you've done it for
some time maybe your whole life. Have you noticed in
the whole Achey Golf which I take it as your
primary primary fishing area, have you noticed to drop off
and catch over the last couple of decades.

Speaker 17 (47:15):
I guess we're some species, you know, maybe like John
Dorian and journers, but in particular, nothing substantial. I'm no scientists, though,
you know. I do talk with some guys that operating
there on a commercial basis and they say they haven't
noticed the difference. But we all have a part to play.

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It's not just us, or it's not just the commercial industry,
where we're all responsible for our shared Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Absolutely being go well on November the twenty second, and
thanks very much for coming on the program.

Speaker 17 (47:49):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
That is being a chazelle. He is one of the
organizers of the One Ocean protest that's happening on November
the twenty seconds. But keen to get your views on this.
So the Hodaki Protection Act. If you're a recreational fisher,
how do you feel about this? The fact that there
are some allowances or exemptions for commercial fishes. Does that
great at you? And where does the balance like? Because

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no doubt about it, we have a or we should
have a strong commercial fishing industry in this country, and
you're hoping a lot of those profits stay insuran and
it employs a lot of people. But where is the
balance when you are trying to protect sensitive areas and
allow those fish species to regroup and to boost back up.
Does it make sense when you exclude recreational fishes but

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you still allow some commercial operators to come into it?
And where you operate it as a fisher person, have
you noticed a significant drop in the catch? And I
will say unlucky enough. My partner's family has a batch
in the Mlboro Sounds and every summer it seems like
it gets harder and harder to find fish. And anecdotally,

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again I'm no scientist and Ben CD's no scientists, but
you do see those reports saying that our fishing population
are struggling around the country. So if you're going to
have protected areas, should that not apply for commercial as well?
Really keen to hear what you've got to say on this.
One oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two ninety
two is the text number is? Well, it is sixteen

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past two. Back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Wow, your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
afternoons call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Very good afternoon to you. So there's a lot of
anger over the new protection acts around the Hodaki Golf.
It has been voted through and it will create new
high protection zones, all part of a push to restore
the golf struggling marine life. But the kicker is, and
this is what has caused the upset. Commercial fishes can
still apply to operate in some of those areas. They

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are part of some of the exemptions. So what do
you say when it comes to these protection areas of
our ocean? Should it apply to commercial fishes Israel as
recreational recreational fish is hard done by when these sort
of rules are put in place, And I think no
doubt about it. There is a ruggle for marine life
and ecology up and down the country. Oh one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call love

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to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Get a Kevin, Yeah, good a how are you?

Speaker 2 (50:18):
I'm not too bad? What's your thoughts?

Speaker 9 (50:21):
Well?

Speaker 4 (50:21):
My thoughts? My thoughts are I'm the seventy year old,
so I've seen the dem station of the fishery and
coralmandle with the docks nets. I've seen the Koreans going
out to the out to the Alderman's and raping and
pillaging out there, and I've seen you know, the commercial
take and so forth. I agree, I agree to agree

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with the last guy you had on. But my take
is that you must cut the recreational from seven fish
to five and you must get the long line only
in the Gulf. I've seen the devastation of scottops on
the east and east coast right. They don't have a

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scotop seeing it wit you hanger anymore because the snow
scullops there's on it and the latest is the latest
is the ewe at Longer Brow. They want a total
ban on taking everything from from the foreshore because the
bush loads of immigrants going up there and they're coming

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out in the little red gum boots and wrong sticks
and so forth, and there's just nothing there for fish
to come in.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
For well, you'd hope. I mean, that's all part of
the ecology, right Kevin. And it's not just h yeah,
it's not just visitors who are taking advantage of that.
I think you know that is one of the freedoms
we have in New Zealand, that the shellfish limits are
there in anybody who comes to our shores and New
Zealanders as well, which is I think is a good thing.
Is able to you know, to go down there and

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get themselves a feed of muscles or shell fish or indeed,
as long as it's not a hoday golf apparently.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
Yeah, but you you talk just be talking about freedom camping,
you go on the hatfields for those, well, just had
to put some big rocks up by the bridge there
to stop the islands staying there all over over somewhere
and going out and setting nets and just sitting there
weekend when they go out, when one family goes out
and they set the net, and then they go home,

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and then the next family comes in. So it's not
the same people doing it all the time.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
But that's the rules problem, though, wasn't it given? Because
those rules are allowed and anybody can go and do that.
But here's you know, hence where the problem lies across
the board.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Yeah, but they've been thrown they've been thrown out of Wenderhum,
they've been thrown out of Shakespeare because they're doing it
at Shakespeare and they've been thrown out of Arkle's Bay,
and and and with the increase of population before sure
down to the bottom to the low tide mark is
kept so fish breed, fish can come in and feed
right and so forth, you know, you know, and some

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of these restrictions you've got on the inner cower around
those islands and that sort of thing. Even the noisies,
if they just brought it back and just removed the
removed the only had long lines for the commercial guys
inside the barrier.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
I think a lot of people would agree with that, Kevin.
But do you think that's realistic. I mean, clearly there's
an exemption for the commercial guys.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
Police. I used to work with a guy called George
and the corrimandle and people taking people taking undersized power
and that sort of thing, you know. And he wished
to nail and left right in the center.

Speaker 9 (53:33):
In the center.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
But when you when you and I hear what you're saying, Kevin,
and you've got a lot of experience here, but when
you tweak the rules somewhat to say you can do
this type of fishing and not that type of fishing,
it just opens it up for people to float the rules,
doesn't it wouldn't it be better that in the case
of the Hodarky golf that that's commercial guy's recreation where
everybody is banned from that area for a certain amount
of time until the fish populations bounce back. And indeed,

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down in the South Island parts of the Molborough Sounds
that you say, there's no fishing in those areas until
the fish populations bounce back for a couple of years.
You know, That's what they did with the par went
down in Kai Quarter and that that made sense. Everyone's said,
fair enough, no power for a couple of years because
they're devastated.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
You take a lovely, lovely poor nights up to you, right,
we used to us to get used to have it.
There's a writ used to be a ring around where
you couldn't do anything to dive inside that. Well they've
made that, they've expanded that. But the commercial guys all
that inside that now there with the w's the.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Sense and that well that's craziness. There's craziness. But I
do know, Kevin, you know there was there was some prosecutions,
big prosecutions about some of those commercial guys who went
too far into that that marine reserve and work quite
you know, it's not.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
It's not least enough, you know. I see trawlers. I
see trawlers dropping the gear off, off, ring to light
and when you ring, when you ring mat, they say, well,
what's the name of the boat? How the hell from
takapoona beach? Can I see the name of the boat,
but you can see the gear going down.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
You've raised a lot of good points, Kevin, and and
you're right, it is pretty hard to police all of
our coastlines around New Zealand. Perhaps there needs to be
a funding boost for fishery New Zealands. I think I
think the fines are pretty well set though, Kevin. If
they get the guys, You're quite right, you've got to
get them first. You don't reckonize stron enough.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Go harder Australia. Mate. When I look at when I
look at Texas, when I look at what's name and
and and the penalties and the policing and the SAP forth.
You know, even if even if they put a license,
if they have a license license to fish, hey like
they do with trout, And if you're caught, you lose
your car, you lose your gear. Boom boom boom.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Yep, hey, not a bad idea. We'll see if others
agree with you. Kevin, thank you very much for kicking
us off. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call? How do you feel about
these increasing marine reserves? I got to say, I got
no problem with a marine reserve. In fact, I think
it's vitally needed. Clearly, there is a problem with our
ocean ecology up and down the country and they need
time to bounce back and they need to have a

(55:57):
bit of a breather. But when you've got these rules
like the Hdaikei Marine Protection Act, but you still allow
exemptions for commercial guys to come in, where is the
sense in that? And I under stand commercial guys. The
industry is huge in New Zealand and it employs a
lot of people and they need to make a profit.
But if you're going to declare a marine protection or

(56:18):
sensitive area, then that should be for the commercial guys
as well. Right, they can go a little bit further out.
But what do you say, Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It's twenty six
past two. Back in the Mic.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call, oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on news talks'd be for.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
We good afternoons. You we're talking about the Hodaki Marine
Protection Act, a whole bunch of new areas in the
Hodache Golf that excludes recreational fishes. But what's upsets a
lot of those recreational fishes is that there is exemptions
for commercial operators to apply to still fish in those
so called protected areas. So does that make sense to
you or is it fair enough When you've got a

(56:59):
commercial operation you need those dollars coming in. Should you
put commercial operators before recreational fishes? Many would argue that
it is a right of passage in New Zealand to
be able to go out on a boat or go
on the rocks and fish and bring home some food
for your family. And some of the commercial operators are
taking those profits off overseas.

Speaker 13 (57:19):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Can you hear from you? Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number yet a Mike?

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Yeah, afternoon, Tyler. I don't prison the hierarchic golf, but yeah,
I can't believe that they can keep the recreational people
out and let commercial carry on, especially like and even
worse had trawling and everything like that.

Speaker 9 (57:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Yeah, but the trawling is a big one, and I
think a lot of people would agree that they need
to do something about the trawling. It just devastates a
lot of that ecology.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
But what I want is what affects, what affakes me,
and what I want to talk about was like, yeah,
I fish on both the west and the East coast
of the North Island, but on the and die the
lower East coast of.

Speaker 13 (58:04):
The North Island.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Great the Parware area. They took fifty percent of the
limit away from recreational. It used to be about ten
they changed it to five. And at the same time,
the recreation and the ewee take was not altered. I
just got it. I couldn't believe that. You know, you
do talk about the commercial industry is being a lot

(58:31):
of money, but the recreational is an industry in his
own you know, boats, fishing, bait, ice, petrol, you know,
it's a huge industry in his own Yeah, I mean
as well.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
I mean that's what it comes to. Yeah, I mean,
it's fair point, mind, And that's what it comes down
to right is I think if we're all trying to
be fair minded here, we can understand the need for
marine protection zones. But when it is a protection zone,
it should mean that everybody stays out of there, because
the whole point of those protection zones is to boost
back up the fishing population and let the ecology repair

(59:06):
and and you know, the ability for the ocean to regenerate.
So then when you allow exemptions, it defeats the whole
purpose and it makes a mockery of of what a
so called marine protection zones. And most of us would
care about our oceans and our fisheries, even even if
you don't go out and fish. I think it's something
we should all deeply care about, is the health of

(59:26):
our oceans. And that to me makes no sense that
you allow an exemption for commercial guys to jump in there.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
Correct, correct, But as when those women's cut and quota,
it should be equal amongst the three parties, the commercial
and the recreation. But it's always the recreational anglers that
are on the on the on the behind tit. You know,
they just get slashed all the time. And as next

(59:53):
to none or smaller reductions to the e and traditional
gathering and the commercial guys still commercial fishermen nature. They
are embarrassed by that power cut on our east coast side.
They were allowed to carry on with full quota when
recreational took fifty percent production.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Yeah, no, look, I think it's fair. There's got to
be some some tweaks all around, Mike, and it's got
to be that if it is a protected area, it's
protected from everybody, because that's the whole point, right we
I think most of us can get behind a protected
area and the reasons for that, but you've got to
make sure that nobody goes into that protected area. But
what do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten

(01:00:37):
eighty is the number to call headlines with railing coming up.
Then we're taking more of your views on this one.
It is twenty eight to three.

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to Matteeth and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Thank you very much. Raylean, and we are talking about
the Hodaki Marine Retection Act. It's going to exclude recreational
fishes from large parts of the Hodaki Golf. The protected
areas are scattered around some of the more popular spots
that recreational fishes go. But what's upset a lot of
them is that there are some exemptions for commercial fishes.

(01:02:20):
So does that make sense for you? Eight hundred to you?
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
Couple of texts here? Ageto mate, I'm a deep sea
trawling skipper. I won't give my name as it's a
pretty small industry. Personally, I'd say the rationale behind letting
the commercial guys into the reserves is that it gives
NPI a real time look at the state of the fishery. Interesting.

(01:02:42):
Thank you very much for that text. Having grown up
in the golf, I find the fishing for snapper is
much better now in my fifties. But what I have
noticed is the growing number of sharks everywhere. They used
to be rarely seen but are prolific now. Kenny, hear
from you if you agree with that, more sharks in
the Hodaki golf Tyler. I'm all for marine reserves. They
serve their purpose, but I think we need to stop

(01:03:03):
all commercial fishing within five to ten k's of the shoreline.
Leave that for the recreational fishes and the commercial fishermen
can have the other one hundred and ninety k's from David,
Thank you very much. Keep those ticks coming through on
nine to ninety two. Hey you Steve.

Speaker 9 (01:03:20):
Tyler. Hey look, just a couple of thanks. Commercial fishes
out in any increase in the biomass there just get
sucked up by those guys. So I think that's a
that's a moot point. But I do have a solution,
right and that well, and one other thing too. What
these high protection areas and no go zones are going
to do is going to push people in smaller boats

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further out and dangering people's lives. And that worries me
because it can get pretty narly out there in the Gulf.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
I do have a solution.

Speaker 9 (01:03:51):
My solution is this, and that is that if you
want to get for a troutfish, you need a license.
If you want to go and shoot ducks and pheasants
and quail during the shooting seaton, you need a license.
If you want a first out there, then I say
you need a license. But the fee for that license
should be invested into a fish breeding program where they

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can breed snapper. And I know they're breeding kingfish up
in one Garay as one of the research outfits, but
they can breed a lot of fish. And one of
the other things is with these commercial guys fucking fish
out of the harricky golf. I think from memory they're
taking something like was it four hundred thousand tons of

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feedby mass, which is anchovies, you know, sprats that type
of thing out of there. If that's stuffs not there,
you're not going to grow the snapper and the kingvesh
and the other but thesis because there's nothing for them
to eat.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:04:49):
One of the other things that has been happening out
there as well that a lot of people aren't aware of,
is that there has been some muscle bed seeding out there,
you know, you know, in the in the golf. But anyway,
and I wouldn't have a problem with a license, but
the well, then the only problem you have with was,
like to think, and the government, any government of any

(01:05:10):
stripe getting involved as all of a sudden, it all
goes out the front door and there's you know, huge bureaucracy.
Therefore for such a little return, that part that scares me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Well, I think the admin would be hopefully pretty straightforward.
I get what you're saying though, Steve, but you're quite right.
The old fishing license is common over in Australia and
many other parts of the world, and I imagine most
fair minded recreational fishermen wouldn't mind paying for a license
to you know, to be able to fish in particular seasons.
I mean the good ones. They go through all the

(01:05:41):
rest of the plava, make sure they get their day
skipper's course and maybe further than that, and they spend
their hec a lot of money on fishing gear. So
you know, a couple of hundred bucks for a season
I don't think would be out.

Speaker 9 (01:05:51):
Of the question. Well, you don't even need a couple
hundred bucks. I think that fishing in New Zealand is
one of the biggest recreational sport. I think what to
call it the sports?

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
It's one of the.

Speaker 9 (01:06:01):
Biggest recreation of pastimes. Look, even if you charged seventy
five dollars per angler per annum, it would be huge. No,
I haven't done the numbers, but I would expect that
it would be huge.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
I mean the ring fencing, as you say, that is
the added complication, and I agree it should be ring
fenced into going back to marine protection, but I would
do you think that would be enough that if you
put money in you you probably know better than I do. Steve.
If you put that that sort of funding into the
likes of boosting a fish population and species regeneration, is

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that enough outside of just these marine protection zones that
they are setting up.

Speaker 9 (01:06:41):
I would say yes, because one of the things that
with fish breeding in the Gulf in the what would
call say a haphazard manner, a lot of the eggs
or whatever loss a lot of eggs are eaten by
small fish or whatever. It's an environment where we can
breed fish. I think that the mortality rate would would

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you know, minimal, would get a far greater you know
what I'm looking for. Increase the biomass. Then you can
let them go wherever you want. But they stopped taking
all the sprats and the anchovia's out. You know, there's
plenty there for them to eat. And I know with
the muscle bed seating that brings in the crab, that

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brings in a whole lot of things in the snap
of color and eat the crabs. And I was out
there on the weekend and I was up around between
cow ow And and Little Barrier, and I was in
the middle of a work up there which went for
about forty minutes. There were well over a thousand gannets.
There were dolphins going flat out and there were three

(01:07:44):
whales there at.

Speaker 18 (01:07:45):
The same time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Wha, what an experience.

Speaker 9 (01:07:48):
It was just seriously, the water was turquoise, there was
so much year in it from the birds and the
just going crazy. But you know, looking at looking at
my chart plotter, that was skinny out there, like you know,
very very skinny.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Yeah, thank you very much, Steve. And Steve's right, it's
a multi pronged issue that we've got going on here
with our ocean health. Surely, if you've got experience in this,
love to hear from you on Old eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. But we can all see it. There's a
lot of things going wrong. And it feels even with
these marine protection areas and the fact you give exemptions
to commercial fishes to go in there, it doesn't make

(01:08:27):
any sense to me. But it does feel like we're
trying to put out a scrub fire with one fire extinguisher.
I mean, it feels like some stronger regulation is needed
like this from Bob. He text through and said moving
fisheries so all areas get a two or three year
recovery time from all fishing around the country. That is

(01:08:47):
what needs to happen. Do you agree with some more
some stricter regulation around these protection areas that some need
to be exempt for one two seasons to allow the
fish to recover. Nobody goes in those areas for a
couple of years, and that moves around the country. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
It is seventeen to three. Very shortly. You're listening to

(01:09:09):
newstalks 'b.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons news Talks'd.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Be very good afternoon to you. We're talking about fishing
and recreational fishes and commercial fishes after the Darky Marine
Protection Act has been passed through. That means that recreational
fishes will be excluded from many parts of the Hodarky Golf.
But the kicker is that commercial operators will have some
exemption to apply to still fish in those areas. Does

(01:09:39):
that make sense to you? Are like one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call? Gid A James.

Speaker 17 (01:09:44):
Yeah, you get out here, you go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Not too bad? What's your thoughts?

Speaker 19 (01:09:48):
Well, the main thing about private anglers is we fish
our backyard and the commercial guys don't. They follow the
follow the species around the around the country. So you
know that they're debilitating us as individuals mainly because that's
where we fish.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
You know, Yeah, we're not as.

Speaker 19 (01:10:07):
Mobile as in The main thing is if you if
you're back to truck up a lot. Back to back
to when they put in the quata management system, which
at the time they thought was they called it the
gold standard. That's nice, but at the time it was
better than what was there. And Mary at the time
realized because of course Mary have rights in the treaty
to fish, the only group of people in New Zealand

(01:10:28):
that actually have.

Speaker 20 (01:10:29):
The right to fish.

Speaker 19 (01:10:31):
So the Sea Lord deal was reached and Mary had
a portion of the of the quota. But ever since then,
whenever anything's been tried to change with quota, like when
they tried to put them the sentry out around the Candex,
Mary opposed that. When they tried to put minimum wages
for cruise in New Zealand, because at the time most

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of the indigenous catch in New Zealand was caught by
foreign foreign vessels, they tried to bring in the minimum wage.
The only people that opposed it was the mari entities.
And then now you got this and anything you like
in the background, the same things going on here, and
it's the same people with the same vest interests. So
every time you try and change anything to do with

(01:11:14):
commercial catch, you're basically talking about a treaty claim and
no one wants to renegotiate that. And so that's why,
that's the main reason why the people that always end
up on the on the bitter end of it as
the private anglers.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Yeah, well, no doubt about it. The recreational fishes always
seem to mess out. But I will say with this
Hodikei Marine Protection Act, James E. We are upsets. They've
they've had massive opposition to the fact that commercial operators
have exemptions to get into those areas.

Speaker 11 (01:11:43):
So on this.

Speaker 19 (01:11:44):
Particulation, right, But those are because your average, your normal average,
you know, every day marriage, just like everybody else, is
the same rights everybody else to fish. Because when when
the quade a mansion system came in and they negotiated
their portion of it, that's when they actually signed away
their rights. So so that put them in the same
boat as everybody else. No pun intended.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
But I think it's fair to say, James on it
that you know, Marie, protection area should just be that
it should be protected from everybody, right, That's the whole
point is to reboost the population. And they put in
place because there's a serious problem with the ocean health
and their biodiversity in that area. So having any sort
of ex you wanted to fix that.

Speaker 19 (01:12:24):
If they actually want to affix that, they would ban
bodom trolling. And that's the main thing. It decimates. Everywhere
you look at Norway, they ban bottom trawling and the
into areas of Norway, and their population of fish went
through the roof. Everybody knows.

Speaker 9 (01:12:37):
That's what it is.

Speaker 19 (01:12:37):
But what I'm saying to you is that the reason
behind the push for commercial is the reason why, because
they do not want to have to get into a
position where they're effectively renegotiating a treaties treaty sediment. So
that's the underlying reason why. And if anyone's no reason
why the commercial guys always have rights and ours are
always getting diminished, that's the reason why. Because they don't

(01:12:59):
want to renegotiate a treaty sentiment.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
James, Sorry, that's the way it is no good on you, James.
Thank you very much for your court. Love to you
your thoughts. Do you agree with James that the reason
if you're in the industry is that the primary reason
or is there a little bit more to it? There's
no doubt about it. Shane Jones, as as Minister of Fisheries,
he has backed the fishing industry to know to the

(01:13:23):
nth degree and he I think does that because he
can see the profitability of that particular industry. But he
is in bed with the fishing industry.

Speaker 18 (01:13:35):
So is that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
The pressure he is getting as a minister and the
people that are talking to him, that means that there's
no action on the likes of deep seat trawling. Love
to get your thoughts if you're in the industry, keen
to get your analysis and you'll take on this one.
If you want to text through anonymously, you're more than welcome.
Nine two niney two is that number will take more
of your calls very shortly. It is ten to two three,

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the issues.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams. Afternoons news talks'd be News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Hawk z'b we are talking about the Hidaky Golf Marine
Protection Act, but it also takes into account the rules
for recreational fishes up and down the country. It's not
the only area that has been turned into a sensitive
or marine protected area where recreational fishes can't go. The
kicker with the Hodaki Golf is that there's an exemption
for commercial fishes and companies to come in and continue

(01:14:31):
their cash. So does that make sense to you? If
it is a marine protected area, should it be protected
from everybody?

Speaker 9 (01:14:37):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
GeTe Ralph?

Speaker 18 (01:14:41):
Oh, good afternoon. Firstly, I'd like to take you back
a few years when they install cameras on a lot
of the boats around our whole fishing fleet, and they
were totally ignored by the ship's captains and the staff
and those boats yep, and not to cost hundreds of
thousands of dollars to put them in, and yet they

(01:15:02):
got their own way again, and we know who runs
the boats. So that's that lot. Coming a bit closer
back into the local stuff that's happening now. Everybody knows
that anyone that goes out fishing doesn't matter where they
come from, they take what they want, and it's we

(01:15:24):
don't have a big enough staff to stop all that
sort of thing. And we know there must be thousands
and thousands of tons of fish dragged off from all
these all different reasons and ways that they catch them.
And used to going to Australia every second or third year.

(01:15:44):
And I go to a place called Allah Dullah, which
is about three to four hours south of Sydney, and
that was the place where they say going back from
gone to Wonderland. That's where New Zealand was joined to Australia.
And at that particular part, it looks like somebody's gone
out with a huge cement bloody trawl, a massive one,

(01:16:07):
and gone out as far as you can see, and
there's just flat rock for miles and miles, and I
presume it goes up to the bottom of the sea
as well. That's another thing. And while I was there,
he saw some guys caught five or six quite big
fish there and I went over, what are you catching here?
And he said, Tyler, And I said what do you

(01:16:30):
mean what Tyler? He said, oh, he said, oh Kiwi Taylor,
A right Taylor. And that was that was quite quite interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
So on the whole just because we've only got sixty seconds, Ralph.
But but you're you're mainly against the exemptions for commercial
fishes in these new protected areas.

Speaker 9 (01:16:52):
Oh yeah, kick the baggers out. They don't deserve to
be there there, crooks.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Okay, fair enough to throw a grenade right at the
last minute. There, Thank you very much, Ralph. We're going
to keep this going because we've got full boards and
so many ticks to get through. But love to get
your thoughts on this ma Rene protected area in the
Hadarky Golf and the exemptions for commercial fishes. Does that
make sense to you? I think it's no doubt about
it that Shane Jones, as the Oceans and Fisheries Minister,

(01:17:17):
he has been lobbied hard by the fishing industry and
you could argue he's done that because he can see
the commercial benefit of the fishing industry in New Zealand.
But as of August he did confirm a suite of
pro industry changes to the Fishing Act and that included
some vessels being exempt from having cameras on board. So
it does it go too far in favor of the
commercial operators to be able to act without cameras on

(01:17:43):
board and be able to jump into marine protected areas
if they apply and the government says yeah, sure, go
for goal. But recreational fishes, you guys have got to
stay away. Love to get your thoughts. I wait, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call
if you want to send a confidential text if you're
in the industry nine to nine two. I'd love to
get your thoughts. If you are in commercial fishing. We

(01:18:04):
will carry this on, of course though new sport and
weather coming up. But ODIs reading sitting on the dock
of the bay to take you up to the news.
Stay right here back in a mow.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
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Speaker 7 (01:18:19):
Talk.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
It's Matty and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sevy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Sorry, good afternoons here. We've been talking about the Hotaik
Golf Marine Protection Act and we're going to carry this
on for the next half an now because I don't
want to get to Michelin Stars after three point thirty,
but we're taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty to bring you up to speed. There's a
bit of tension rising over this new Marine Protection Act.
So it's closed off certain hygh protection zones to recreational fishing,

(01:18:48):
aiming to restore fragile marine ecosystems, but commercial operators can
still apply to fish in some of those same areas.
For local anglers, it feels like they've being shut out
of their own backyard, they say. Families who just want
to catch your feed are being pushed further offshore into
unfamiliar and sometimes unsafe waters, while industrial fleets continue close
to shore. So does that sound right to you? O?

(01:19:10):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty When you create all the
government creates a marine protection area, sensitive area? Should it
be protected from everybody? O? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Nine two ninety two is
the text number. A quick couple of texts and we'll
get back to the phones. Hi, I've been fishing my
whole life in the Bay of Islands and Hodaki Golf.
Can someone please explain why they don't restrict fishing during

(01:19:33):
snapper breeding times? Dozens of boats out targeting work ups
with breeding snapper. It makes absolutely no sense. That's from Tim.
If anyone can answer that question from Tim, please by
all means nine two ninety two is that text number?
And this one from Roger Gide Tyler. I think it's
great to have fishing reserves. Let's do some quick mass.
One summer weekend, two days, five hundred recreational boats per day,

(01:19:56):
three people per boat, six snapper per person. Answer is
eighteen thousand snapper every good summer weekend, not to mention
all the other times. Thank you very much for that text. Roger,
get A Bruce I Goeta.

Speaker 21 (01:20:09):
Guys love your show. I'm really passionate about this one.
There's a couple of things I'd like to touch on.
I remember growing up years ago when television first came out,
there was an ad on that it's always stuck with me,
and it said the concept of food from the sea
is the oldest man himself. Now that's something that's always

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stuck with me, and you know, like people who were
born in the forties and fifties. I grew up in
Auckland and used to ride my bike to down on
the wharf and watch Freddy Lad take off and I
could always get a snapper off the wolves or the
groins out there, and never came home without a fish.
And I don't know what it's like now. I haven't
fished the Gulf for probably twenty or thirty years, but

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as far as I remember, it was just an incredible
fishery that was always abundant. So that was a bit
of a reminisce.

Speaker 6 (01:21:04):
O.

Speaker 21 (01:21:04):
The second point is I've done quite a bit of
fishing in Australia too, and over there you have to
have a boat license which is attached to your driver's license.
You also have to have your boat registered with the
government like a car. It also has to carry the
prescribed safety gears, so it's like a warrant of fitness.

Speaker 11 (01:21:27):
And what.

Speaker 21 (01:21:28):
They have water police that will come around and they'll
also breathalyze you on the water, so it's exactly the
same conditions in a boat on sea as if you
were in a car on the road. So that was
interesting that one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Would you before that, Bruce, that's come up, you know,
time and time again about the idea of licenses for
those who go out and go fishing. Would you be
in favor of that? Well?

Speaker 5 (01:21:56):
I would be.

Speaker 21 (01:21:57):
But I think also over there that the jet skiers
are a real issue with the recreational swimmers, and I
think they I don't know what they're like here because
I'm in the far North and they want to talk
about the deep sea fishing, which I've been involved with shortly.
But yeah, I think it would be I think it
would be going to be something probably wouldn't like as

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far as their fairness mindset goes. But I definitely think
that that, you know, the cowboys out there on these
powerful jet skis can cause problems and it won't be long,
I'm sure before during the summer crowded beaches, someone is
injured with these things that go flat out. And yeah,
they're fun, but I wouldn't like to be hit.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
I hate them. I hate them. And I know people say,
shut up, Tyler, they're good fun, and I imagine they are,
but they do my head on the jet skis and
they are financially. I've ridden the jet skis before and
they are, you know, motorbikes of the sea. But when
I just want a better piece and quiet and the
Molbra sounds and then they come honing past, I just
think a bugger off. Go to a little bay. But
that's just my take, Bruce.

Speaker 21 (01:23:00):
Yeah, I concur with you there. The The other the
next point is these quotas. My family had a quote
we sold at but as far as I know, I'm
not sure these quotas remain the same. And people that
bought these quota it's very valuable. They're allowed to catch
a certain amount of fish every year. Now I'm not

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sure on this, but I think if the government wanted
to stop the fishing, they'd have to start looking at
buying back those quotas, and that would not be cheap
because they are really they're worth gold. If you had
a crayfish quota forty years ago and you sold it,
you you know people that have done that or people

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that have sold quotas, we know exactly what I'm talking.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
About absolutely, So how does that work? Bruce? Just as
the layman's I understand, you know, and I've known families
to have pretty significant quotas for muscles and the Mulborough
Sounds and empower as well, and they sold that for many,
many millions of dollars. But they did very well out
of it themselves. How does the quota system work now?

Speaker 21 (01:24:08):
Go? Well, the genesis of the thing was if you
were back in the day, the government decided they need
to do something about it because everyone was out fishing.
So if you could register and make a case that
you were actually a fisher of commercial needs or method
or whatever, you could buy a quota for what fish

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you wanted, and they were pretty cheap, but you had
to pay for them and you had to have it managed. Now,
over time, those things exponentially grew as they stopped handing
out quotas, and it was a supply and demand thing,
which has pushed the price of them up astronomically to
as you say, to millions. But what I'm seeing now

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in the far North in Doubtless Bay is that we've
got the long line boats that are going out during
the spawning season off Tokyo Beach and I last counted
there was nine boats. They're just about finishing now, but
during the spawning season they will lay five thousand hooks each,

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and they could be working the inshore long liners, which
means they only go out probably about ten k's and
there laying five thousand hooks. They come into the Monganui
and the moana boats are there twenty four to seven
unloading the school snapper. And that's this spawning season. And
it's prodigious up here and depending on the water temperature,

(01:25:33):
which is warm at the moment as opposed to the
last year, which was called the fish are just abundant.
It's just an incredible season this year. So those were
long liners and they are just ravaging the sea. And
the only fish you get now are the bigger fish
that are lurking around the outcrops and the rocks and
the edges of the edges of the of the islands.

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So the savvy fishes are still able to get big fish.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Yeah, but that's it, Bruce. You've been fishing all your life,
And that was a question that I posed last hour,
very early on, and I've just heard it anecdotally, but
it certainly feels like those who have been fishing for
decades have noticed a huge drop off from traditional areas
where you'd always get a fish to now very rarely
getting any catch, or certainly not the cats that had

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done ten twenty thirty years ago, which is you know,
that's a concerning thing. And hence why, as you say,
with the commercial fishes and the five thousand hooks that
they've got on their long lines, it just feels these
marine protection areas that they're setting up and then allowing exemptions,
it's laughable, because there's a serious issue going on with

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our ocean health, and it's just band aids. You know,
it's trying to put out a bush fire with one
fire extinguisher. You've got to go full hog or nothing,
or else We're going to be in a real state
of affairs, and that affects everybody at that point, including
the commercial fishing industry. They were already starting to.

Speaker 21 (01:26:58):
See that absolutely. And the last point I want to
talk about is the is the harppook of the deep
sea halfpooker boats. There's only about three of them. I
was involved in the industry, and we're going out about
four to five We're fishing in four to five hundred
meters of water. We're using electric reels on lot on

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rods with three hooks with lights.

Speaker 9 (01:27:23):
And the boats.

Speaker 21 (01:27:24):
I haven't been out, but the boats are pulling up hooker.
They're about twenty k's off the shelf, four to five
hundred and they're pulling up hooker that are as big
as me and my head could fit inside. These things
are forty or fifty years old, and they're catching so
many that they're filling the deck and they're hitting grounds

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that have never been fished before, and anyone that knows
the pooka, the hard hooker, these things you can stand
them upright holding and they're as big as you round
the girth and you could fit your head inside them.
And they are pulling tons and tons of these things out.
They're not going to domestic market. The moana boats one

(01:28:08):
again cuting. It's criminal. It's our children's legacy. Yeah, that
this minister is spelling. And we've all our birth writers
been able to go down to the sea and get
a feed.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Exactly, b We've got to protect that, yep, one hundred percent.
And a lot of people would agree with that, no
doubt about it. And that's what it comes down to, right,
is that this is our country and the health of
the ocean affects all of us. And when you hear
stories of Bruce who's been fishing all of his life
and seeing that drop off and the catch that you

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can take as a recreational or find as a recreational fisher,
and slowly see that part of New Zealand life that
many of us love get eroded away. And then to
have marine protected areas there excludes recreational fishes every day.
Kiwis who just want to go out and get a
couple of fish for the family and still allow exemptions
for commercial and other It just makes no sense. It

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is laughable. But what do you say our one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call it?
Seventeen parst three? Surely us talks that'd be it is
twenty past three. We're a bit late here, Fraser. How
are you?

Speaker 4 (01:29:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
Good mate, good notice to talk wise.

Speaker 9 (01:29:19):
Where I've been out here about forty years on on
great Berry Island and the decline in our poor old
golfers pretty sad that nothing like it used to be.
The size of the snappers way down the snappers there,
but the average size has just come way down. Species
have declined. Sculpts are just about that coming back in

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a few places, but crays are really bad. But the
thing is there's no restrictions on us out here, so
there's going to be a lot more pressure on the
barrier because both get here and the drones that you know,
the boats are bigger and more powerful these days. But
the thing is, you know, they can make all the
rules they like, but without enforcement. As a few people
have said, it's a joke, and I mean if this

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island was off anywhere in Australia, there'd be one at
least one that fisheries patrolling place.

Speaker 22 (01:30:11):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:30:11):
So we've had a poaching problem at it for the
last two years where guys are coming with dive tanks
and taking taking packles, craze the reds and power and cure.
The local boards of confronted them and they just basically
give them the finger and we've rung fisheries. We have
sent them fighters to the boat and they say they're

(01:30:32):
onto it, but nothing happens. The boats keep coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
That surprises me, Phraser, that the fact that you've caught
caught people poaching and have undersized crayfish or female crayfish
during breeding season and they don't they don't turn up.
I would have thought that a phone call and instantly
you send a couple of guys out straight away to
catch them as soon as they land the boat, because
that's an easy win for them, isn't it. And as

(01:30:58):
I understand it, you know that, yeah, the fines are
pretty excessive. If you get caught with undersized fish or
or too many or too many power or too many
cray they'll they'll take it a court for that, as
they should.

Speaker 9 (01:31:09):
But the fishing, the fisheries boats aren't there. They haven't
got the funding for it. They try to do it
all from from behind a desk. You know, it's just
it's just not happening. There's a lot of people out
here that will back me up on that one too.
And we I mean we haven't we haven't caught and
we know they've taken them because we've seen them, you know,
gos to sort of spider them with binoculars and stuff.

(01:31:30):
But anyway, they've got they've got to stop commercial that's ridiculous.
I've got to go. They should. They should have done
this ten years ago. This place was the Harpy Golf
was designated marine park over twenty five years ago, and
I've done nothing since. Yeah, you know, we've got Tenner
barons everywhere. You know, John Dorria gone, Gerner gone. Even

(01:31:52):
our car white are not the same.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
And it's heartbreaking mate. As you say, you've been out
there for forty years doing it, and to a less
lesser extent where I do most of my fishing because
I'm lucky enough. My partner's family has a bitch in
the Molbra sounds. But they've noticed it. You know, her
dad has been been there all his life and he
knows is it every summer that the catch is dropping off,
and it's it's harder and harder to find where the
fish are. And you're going to go further out and

(01:32:16):
your spot on mentioning the fisheries offices, because this is
the whole point, right We're talking about the Hodarky golf
and this Marine Protection Act and the fact that they've
allowed exemptions. But this is a multiprog situation. We don't
have enough fishery officers. It's a joke of a situation
when there are marine areas enacted and then they allow
loopholes and exemptions and there's just not the follow up
to actually try and sort out what's going on with

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our ocean health.

Speaker 9 (01:32:41):
Yeah, it's very sad and it's very much sadness. No
from what we could use to we could get skolfs
sit out in the bay, the freedom for them, and
that's just those gone.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
So what's what's the answer mate? I mean, as you say,
we're going to get some more funding into fisheries officers
to get more out there, get some more boats on
the water to patrol. Is that actually enforcing and setting
up more of these marine reserve areas where nobody goes into.
Is it a raft of things that need to happen
at this point?

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:33:12):
Absolutely, But we need enforcement. We got coast card boats right,
billions of dogs with the Coastguard boats up and down
the out and down the country. Why can't they be
dual purpose? I mean, sure a lot of people are
going to be retrained, but the boats are there and
they're doing nothing for it. My months of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Yeah, Fraser, you're a great call. Thank you very much
for giving me a buzz. Got to take a break,
but we'll get through to another couple of callers who
have been waiting for some time. It is twenty four
past three.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
Matt Heathen, Tayler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
This is news Talks EDB Breaking news.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Yes and breaking news. Former Deputy Police Commissioner Yvonne Mcskimmen
has pleaded guilty to possessing child sexual exploitation and bestiality material.
Just repeating that. Former Deputy Police Comissioner Javon Mcskimmen has
pleaded guilty to possessing child sexual exploitation and bestiality material.
There'll be more on that in the headlines, but that

(01:34:18):
is the breaking news just coming through to hand, and
there'll certainly be more on that as the afternoon progresses.
We will get to the headlines now and when we
come back we're going to pick up this conversation we've
been having about recreational fishes and marine protection zones. Stay
right here you listen to news talks there be It
is twenty seven past three.

Speaker 11 (01:34:39):
News talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's
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Jevin mix Skimming has pleaded guilty to possessing child sexual
exploitation and be steality material. He's admitted three representative charges
of possessing objectionable material in the Wellington District Court this afternoon.

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Health officials say the response to the National Measles Immunization
Week has been great so far. Of one hundred and
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Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Thank you very much, Raylen So significant news about former
Deputy Police Commissioner Jevin mcskimming. There'll be plenty more on
that on Heither's show after four o'clock. But let's get
back to our discussion about recreational fishes being excluded from
parts of the Hodarky Golf under this Marine Protection Act
with the exemptions allowed for commercial fishes. Does that make

(01:36:16):
sense to you? O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
and if you are a recreational fisher, will you be
attending this protest on November the twenty second, Love to
hear from you. Get a Sam, there you go. Yeah,
not too.

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
My father was a commercial fisherman in the hierarchy. A
lot of good comments on there, especially guy from the
Great Barrier. There's plenty of snapper in the hierarchy, but
they're all small, so the bigger ones are harder and
harder to come by, right, A lot of the numbers
haven't been thrown out there yet. So like back in
the seventies and the eighties, the quotas are up around

(01:36:53):
six seven thousand tons a year of snapper we're taking
out of hierarchy alone, those numbers are around anywhere from
a thousand to fifteen hundred tons a year, so they've
actually dropped considerably over the past few decades.

Speaker 9 (01:37:08):
The Kuyper Harbor.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
The Kayper Harbor produces almost ninety eight percent of the
North Island's snapper population for the North Island, right from
down the west coast. But there's no there's no bands
in the Kayper Harbor, and they take more tonnage out
of the harb each year than they do with hricke.
They take upwards in about sixteen hundred tons a year
of snapper.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
And why is that, Sam, I mean, this is part
of the problem. Right, is that you get you get
an act like this in the Hodaki golf And I
think a lot of us can understand marine protection areas
and the need to repopulate those fish species. But when
you got the likes of the Kuiper harbor, and as
you say that the tonnage being taken out of there,
nobody's asking questions. This is where it's all falling.

Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
Over politically and money that money driven. The first one
of the first callers was talking about how the ewe's
will the ewis own fifty percent of quotas in New Zealand,
and it's sort of sort of like an arsonist lighting
the fire and then ringing the fire brigade. And I
would say there is some element of that happening as well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt there needs to be
some tweaks, I think too, and you know it can
get leaks the older Yeah, the bottom trawling.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
Bottom trawling screws everything, right, But if you look at
anything anything on a commercial scale anywhere in the world,
whether it be whaling or fishing or deer hunting, look
back in the eighties or the seventies and eighties when
they commercialized deer deer meat, and all of a sudden,
deer populations decreased, and you can go weeks to months
at a time without even seeing the deer, whereas now

(01:38:42):
when they remove that, they're they're like a pest again.
You see them everywhere. You can see them just over
your backfence sometimes. So it's all to do with that
bottom trawling in the hierarchy that that has caused the
problem with the with the sea beds and been able
to restore it. But the snapper itself like one snapper.

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So you say you take a sixty sixty centimeters snapper
that that can produce anywhere from six to ten million
eggs in one spawning season. That's just one snapper. Now,
if you take a snapper of turner and fifteen turner
fifteen mills, which you cannot take, that can produce anywhere
from sixty to one hundred thousand eggs per season. So

(01:39:23):
if they want to fix it, the best thing they
should do is one not limit this amount of snapper
you take. Limit put a tolerance on the sizing, so
you can't take anything over six hundred, and you can't
take anything under three hundred or anything over five hundred
because something over five hundred can still produce six million

(01:39:45):
eggs a year. So the amount of snapper in the
Hawrechi is not decreasing, it's actually probably increasing. It's the
amount of snapper that are able to produce the eggs
each year that are no longer there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
What's the size limit at the moment in that part
of the country. There must be a size limit for
three hundred, so that's thirty centimeters. That's a pretty small snapper.

Speaker 4 (01:40:08):
It is very small, and it's twenty seven out the
west coast, so yeah, and how.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Many can you take?

Speaker 9 (01:40:15):
Seven?

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
Seven?

Speaker 10 (01:40:16):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
So would it be a combination of you've got to
increase the size limit to maybe say forty five centimeters
and maybe reduce the catch that you can have two
per per ficient.

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
Yeah, I don't think you need to reduce the amount
of the catch because you understand that to fuel the
boat up now it might cost you you're from three
to six hundred dollars in a day to take your
boat out if you're going down to the Hierarchi. So
there's got to be an element there that a give
and take. But what that suggests is they're like not
taking anything under under four hundred and not taking anything

(01:40:50):
over six hundred for two or three years. That would
definitely increase the snap population in the size, but the
actual amount of snapper there, Like you can go out,
you can't get away from those little ones, Like there
are that many out there. You can't get away from
the buggers and anyone that says you can't find snappers
because they don't know what they do, but they're just

(01:41:10):
they're out there and this is just huge numbers. You
can't get away from them.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
Yeah, I mean that blows my mind. I didn't realize
it was as low as thirty centimeters when you look
at the size limit for blue cod and the mulbra
sounds and we all know why because blue cod is
in a dire state there. But that's thirty two centimeters
and snapper is a far bigger fish than blue code.

Speaker 4 (01:41:28):
But if you look at you look at the numbers
itself that they're taking out of the hawki. So recreational
fishing take about eight hundred and forty odd times a
snapper a year, and commercial is only just digress house
so it's really not that much difference as far as
the actual tonnage goes.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
Yeah, Sam that's great information and you're right giving the
numbers and that context is vitally important. So thanks very
much for ringing up. I got to take a quick break.
When we come back, we'll have a chat with Kevin
and Andrew. Kevin is on the fence about how this
Marine Protection actors operating, so we'll get to him very shortly.
It is twenty three to.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
Four Mattie Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Van Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
The'd be very good afternoon to you. Excuse me. We
are talking about recreational fishing and the introduction of the
Hodikey Golf Marine Protection Act. So recreational fishes in Auckland
are pretty upset, many of them very upset that they
won't be able to fish in some of those protected areas.
While commercial operators have some exemption they can still apply

(01:42:31):
to fish in those so called protected areas. So love
to get your thoughts on this alright. One hundred and
eighty ten eighty and how dire is our ocean health
around our coasts of New Zealand. Are you've seen a
drop off in the number of fish you're catching? Nine
two ninety two. Is that text number is Well, he's
a quick text before we get back to the phones.
Get there. I'm a recreational fish show and I probably

(01:42:51):
see this a little bit differently than most. Yes, Shane Jones,
for all his good points, he is definitely a very
sympathetic to the commercial fishing industry. In fact, he has
said he owes a debt of gratitude to the industry.
For me, the HPA's should be marine reserves, then it's
fair for the next big issue is the green lobby
groups have used our recreational voice and screwed us. In

(01:43:14):
just a bit more facts to it's only half a
dozen small local vessels catching fish for local markets, not exports.
Thank you very much for that. Hey you Kevin got
that name, Tyler, See you get your thoughts.

Speaker 22 (01:43:28):
My thoughts are maybe the fisheries industry is pushing it
out because of all the illegal fishing that's done off
shore by the public around the hierarchic golf like undersized snapper,
undersized power and muscles, et cetera. So maybe the government

(01:43:57):
has thought, well, we can't catch them all, so we'll
just push it out where they can catch them.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
Do you think there is a lot of illegal fish
going on from the recreational fishes.

Speaker 9 (01:44:10):
Given.

Speaker 22 (01:44:11):
Yes, I do around Haraki golf, undersized catches being brought
up and so forth. You can get, you can fight,
photograph them. You know, there are only tiny little snappers
and they go on the back of the car, and yep,
it's destroying our natural fishing order that goes on.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Yeah, it certainly is. And I think any right right
minded person would if they if they see any sort
of undersized catching going on, would absolutely slam those people
because that is there. You know, that is the huge
part of the problem that you get people absolutely taking
the purse and and screwing around with our ocean health
by taking those undersized fish and seafood and and muscles

(01:45:00):
and all the rest of it. But does that mean
we need to have a you know, twenty four to
seven policing going on in that area of the country.
I just say that because there's a someone who's done
a little bit of fishing and the morble sounds. As
I've mentioned many times, and I don't want to keep
going on about it, but it's well known with people
that I associate are worth and speak to, and most
of the people I know who who do recreational fishing.

(01:45:21):
You'd never even consider taking a juvenile fisher and undersized fisher.
It wouldn't even go through your head to consider it.
So these people that are breaking the law, clearly, they
need to be caught, they need to be dabbed in,
and they need to be driven through, you know, dragged
through the courts.

Speaker 22 (01:45:37):
Yes, one per one hundred percent. I'm actually from the
South Island myself, although I live in the North London.
I know the marble sounds. I've actually pushed the road
and through what's that cricket's name around? I owned a
batch around there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
Round former black Cap, is it? I don't know if
there was a cricketer around. Yeah, and Queen Charlotte is
it Queen Charlotte sounds is it?

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
No, he's a a rowing Oh right, yeah, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Beautiful part of the country, but the fishing is a
little bit harder there these days, I've got to say, given,
But your bang on point, and is that the case?
Is there a lot of illegal fishing going on in
the likes of the Hodachey Golf And I know I
don't want to be naive here clearly, and I know
that illegal fishing goes on, but the penalties can be
pretty pretty severe. If you are caught taking undersized fish

(01:46:32):
or too many over your catch limit and power and crayfish,
they can take your boat, they can drag you through
the courts. There are our significant fines, but do they
need to go harder? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Get a Dallas mate.

Speaker 5 (01:46:46):
Here?

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
You going very good?

Speaker 9 (01:46:48):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Are you a marine scientist?

Speaker 20 (01:46:50):
Yes, I've got a background of marine science. I worked
as a fisheries observer for a few years there as
a basically working for MPI out on these commercial boats.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
Fantastic to chat with you, So let's have a chat
about our overall health of our oceans around New Zealand coastlines.
Are we in a dire situation at the moment? Dallas
is anecdotal evidence of recreational fishes not being able to
find as many fish anymore. Is that the reality that
you're seen as a scientist.

Speaker 9 (01:47:20):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 20 (01:47:22):
It can sort of go both ways, like also as
a recreational fisher you know, being here for the past
ten or so years, it's has been quite an increase
in difficulty in actually going out and catching a feet,
probably because of my poor fishing ability as well.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
Yeah I've been there.

Speaker 20 (01:47:39):
Yeah, but anecdotal evidence and hearing basically stories from around
the traps around the country, and that you know, it's
getting harder and harder to go out and catch a peak.
And the simple truth is, you know, there's this non
nutfish lit global stops, national fish stops are continuing to decline.
There's no if it's butts around that, it's pretty clear,

(01:48:02):
and it's just about sort of what's causing that and
then I guess what we can do to bring it
and to the future.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
So on the first question, what's causing it? What do
you think is the primary reason for that drop off
and the numbers of fish and the general decline and
that ecology.

Speaker 20 (01:48:19):
Yeah, it's a difficult one because the easier answer is
obviously overfishing. You know, it's quite direct. You catch too
many fish, you're going to add less fish in the water.
But you know, there's a whole lot of different evidence
to I guess point to the storm runoff. There's climate change,
there's ocean percentification. So just to sort of say that

(01:48:40):
it's one thing is sort of the wrong thing to do.
It is a you have to look at a holistic approach.
But in saying that, you know you have to focus
also on what we can do. There's not much we
can do on a microscale off for global warming, you know,
in terms of overfishing. We can have a look at
what we can do in terms of how and fish
we catch. The slot limit that I think it's Kevin

(01:49:02):
or someone else is talking about, so having a minimum
legal size as well as a maximum legal size and.

Speaker 17 (01:49:08):
Then talking on that.

Speaker 20 (01:49:09):
You know, New Zealand plans to be world leading and
so many different things, especially in the fisheries area. Yeah,
we're sort of falling behind in the in the I
guess fisheries compliance space. In Australia they have this slot
rule for Barrmundy, for flatheads, for a whole of different
fish species where they have that maximum size limit as

(01:49:30):
well to ensure that we can release those breeding fish
and make sure that they can go out and do
their job and make more little baby fishies.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
Yeah, which is important. You know, that's exactly what we
need dellas So in the Australian situation as there there's
clearly more policing going on. Are there stricter rules for
those who are caught taking too many fish or undersized fish?

Speaker 20 (01:49:54):
I think New Zealand is pretty good generally at I
guess the what can happen if you do break the rules?
You know, as you said before, they've got quite a
lot of authority, a lot more authority than the police
for that matter. You know, they can seize your boat,
they can seize your car, they can seize your house
even if you're selling, if you've proven to be selling

(01:50:15):
illegal fish out of your house, and whereas the police
they can't really do that. But in Australia, yeah, there
is quite a lot of funding. There's a lot of
resources behind it and actually putting the to get the
money where their mouth is, whereas New Zealand it's going backwards.
I actually applied to be a fisheries observe a few
years ago and I've basically got told you funding is

(01:50:36):
being cut and they're scaling things back, which is quite unfortunate.
And you can see that out in the water. I
don't think I've ever seen a fisheries boat out in
the Hurracky Golf.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
And I fished quite a lot, yeah, which is saying
a lot Dallas. So when we look at the you
know what kicked off this discussion about the marine bretiction
zone within the Hodaki Golf and marine reserves in general,
that seems to me that's an easy way, well, an
easier way to try and allow these fish numbers to

(01:51:07):
bounce back in vulnerable areas is that everybody is excluded
from sudin areas for a certain amount of time until
things start to change. Are we not doing enough of
that or is that not going to achieve what we
need in this scenario?

Speaker 20 (01:51:24):
Yeah, well, I guess there is a space for high
protection areas and marine reserves, although that it's sort of
like a it ought to be a last resort. It's
sort of a band aid, whereas you really need to
look at the bigger picture. You know, there's less fish
because they're catching too many fish. But if we say,
if we're trying to achieve thirty by thirty, that being

(01:51:46):
thirty percent of our oceans as a marine reserved by
twenty thirty, yet we maintain the same amount of fish
we're taking out of the water. All we're doing is
concentrating that one hundred percent of the fishing efforts within
the remaining seventy percent, and that is what's happening or
what will happen out in the gulf here. You know,
they're still going to be the same amount of people fishing,

(01:52:06):
the same amount of fish being caught, just within a
smaller area. And someone actually demin analogy a little while ago.
You know, I've got I used to have a dog.
The dog did a lot of ships in my yard.
I didn't want any dog shits in my yard.

Speaker 22 (01:52:22):
So what I do?

Speaker 20 (01:52:23):
I figured the dog ship swing it under the fence.
My yard is beautifully clear, you know, it's it's immaculate,
Yet my neighbors full of shit.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Good analogy, Yeah, yeah,
exactly right. So Dallas, if you could, if you could
make a wave a magic wand and and change one
thing with the New Zealand to try and and turn
this around in terms of the ecology of our oceans,
what would it be.

Speaker 20 (01:52:50):
Or if I'm just looking at the ecology of the oceans,
it is probably figure out how we reduce our overall
fishing pressure, both well across recreational, customary and commercial. But
we also have to prioritize kiwis and you know, the
public because it is a public resource and we need
to be able to go out and catch a feed,

(01:53:12):
so the government needs to prioritize that over everything else.

Speaker 10 (01:53:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
Great, great to chat with you, Dallas, really good. Dallas
was a marine scientist and also a recreational fisher. So
a foot in both camps, so to speak. Will take
another couple of calls. It is nine minutes to four
back in the month.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
everything in between.

Speaker 3 (01:53:33):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks'd.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
Be it is six to four you Jen, We've got
about ninety seconds. How are you good?

Speaker 13 (01:53:43):
Thank you?

Speaker 22 (01:53:44):
Tyler?

Speaker 9 (01:53:44):
Good.

Speaker 13 (01:53:45):
Discussion today has been Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
You're a good person to chat too, because you're a
recreational chatter skipper.

Speaker 9 (01:53:50):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (01:53:51):
Since nineteen ninety full time the Auckland public and visitors
from overseas out on Theherrikee Golbs enjoy that snap of vision.

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
Yeah, what a great job. So what's your take on
all of this? Are you you're effected? I take it
by this new Marine Protection Act?

Speaker 13 (01:54:07):
Definitely, These areas we're fished like the noisies and the
maker henails, and yeah, it is a bit of a
you know, a bit of a smack in the chop
saying that you can't fish that, yet other things are
still allowed. The bottom trawling and the gill netting is
completely unselective fishing compared to what the public do with lines.

(01:54:30):
And you know, the public I've taken out are always
respectful what's going on in the fishery, using circle hooks,
releasing fish carefully and really minimizing the impact they have
in their activities. Ye, a bottom trawler or a gill
netter does not.

Speaker 2 (01:54:45):
So that seems like a no brainer. There's been many
people who've rung up over the past two hours and
mentioned the bottom trawling, and I don't think there's been
anyone who sees bottom trawling is a good thing. So
is that political preciate You gene to take it to
the government or the coalition to say this is actually
something New Zealanders care about and it should stop because
it's not good for anybody. It screws up the the

(01:55:08):
fishing areas where bottom trailing is allowed to happen, and
it needs to be banned.

Speaker 13 (01:55:13):
Well, yeah, I mean it's pretty obvious. You know, there
must be some underlying reasons why it hasn't been accepted,
you know. And I just think the regulations they're bringing
out and the banning in certain areas, I think is
just wallpapering over a bigger problem. Yeah, and they're not
wanting to realize you know that quote A holders want
to catch the fish the easiest way they can, and

(01:55:35):
I don't think they're really were too worried about the
damage they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
Yeah, just a quick we're going to go about twenty seconds.
Have you been out the last couple of days, Eugene,
that was morning because it was beautiful, mate. I mean
they have been absolute stunning days. And what do you
usually catch?

Speaker 9 (01:55:49):
What's the go to?

Speaker 6 (01:55:51):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:55:51):
We're catching I mean we're using lure fishing a lot
these days, and it's a lot cleaner and once again
more selective. Nothing's gut hooked. And you know, it's harder
to catch fish these days, Tyler, No doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
Something has to be done, Yeah, Eugene, Really good to
chat with you, and what a great job you've got. Right, great, gush,
Thank you very much. That is all the time we've
got for today. But just a reminder, if you're interested
in the protest. It's happening on November the twenty second.
You can go check it out. Just google One Ocean
Protest and you can get all the details there. Thank
you very much. As always, we're going out with a

(01:56:24):
bit of Born to Be Right Wild because we had
a great chat about freedom camping, So go Haard. It's
your country, take ownership of it. Park where you like
and enjoy. We'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
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