Full Show Podcast: 10 November 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 10th of November, Treasury has floated the idea of more asset sales - but what is the public appetite?

Then, we are to spend millions of dollars to tackle increased methamphetamine use, but what about the looming threat of fentanyl?

And to finish the day, what are the rules around leaving things free for removal on berms? 

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Talk sed be very good afternoon to you. Welcome into
Monday show. So great to have you with us as always,
and a big welcome back to you.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Met he get a mates, Thank you, Tyler, I thank
you everyone. No one said they might not be I
don't know what I'm thinking of them.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Oh you can always thank people. Thank you for what
you said. Welcome back. No, it's good to be beck,
is what I mean to say. It is good to
have you a back mate.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I've forgotten how to speak after not being on the
radio for a week.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, but you lose a pretty fast. Yeah you do.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, yeah, it's only I won't have been away for
a week, but it feels like a lifetime.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Well, I well, thank you for holding down the fort
while I was way was what I meant to say
to Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Good on you. Yep, No, no, I did what I
needed to do, mate, But you were sorely missed and
there was a lot of texts and through saying where
the hell is Matt Heath? But you're back now, So
that is the thing that matters.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
It's going to be huge over the next three hours.
We've got a lot of great stuff on the show today.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
We certainly do. After three o'clock it's going to be
a great chat. We've already had dozens and dozens of
texts in regards to this topic. So this is on
the back of an unused child's bike from the Prime
Minister's garage. It made it into the Police Gifts Register
this year. It's one of many items recorded, but this
one stands out because of how it came about. So,
according to the register, Christopher Luxen insisted on giving the

(01:39):
bike to a member of the Diplomatic Protection Squad, saying
it would help him clear some space in the garage.
The officer wrote that he initially tried to decline, but
the Prime Minister encouraged him to come and take a look,
and eventually the bike was accepted with the supervisor and
a sergeant present, and it made a bit of space
in the Prime Minister's garage as well.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, so this is interesting, but it's also the idea
of free to a good home. So if you've got
some stuff in your garage or your moving house, as
I am at the moment, and there's some stuff that
you look, you don't want to take it to the dump.
You don't want to get rid of it. You can't
be bother selling it, as basically the situation. A lot
of stuff you eventually get so tired of shifting. There's

(02:19):
some stuff that you just want to put on the
street for it to a good home. But there's got
to be some rules around that, right. It has to
be of a certain quality. You can't just put some
rubbish on the road, on the berm and just try
and get rid of that way. So you can't be
getting rid of something that you know is intrinsically flawed.
So the person that gets at home is actually just
getting a piece of rubbish. Right morally, you can't do that, right.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Like a dining room table with three legs, you just
cannot put that on the side of the road.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, And like this textas says I gree with Matt,
free to a good home. I put a dining room
table out on the berm. It was gone quickly, But
if it didn't go I would have bought it back inside.
That's the other thing. It's not gone when it's on
the burm. You're putting it up for tender yep. And
if it doesn't go then it's your rubbish.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Still, Yeah, there's a window, and how long that window
is will break that down. But there's going to be
a great chat a three eight o'clock. After two o'clock,
the government has rolled out this new action plan to
fight the surge and methamphetamine use, which is nearly doubled
from seven hundred and thirty two kilo that's in twenty
twenty three to fourteen one hundred kilo just over in
twenty twenty four. So the thirty million dollar initiative will

(03:24):
fund tough A border checks, law enforcement operations, maritime patrols
to disrupt supply, Chaine a change, and expanded addiction and
support services, all designed to hit supply demand and organize
crime at the same time.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Do you think this will help? You think this will
get it done? Is it's the right balance of punishment,
enforcement and rehabilitation around the No doubt. It's a horrific problem,
the meth problem in our country. But also it struck
me I was thinking about this that that you know,
we kind of we didn't get ahead of myth, that's
for sure, because it's everywhere, and it's just drawing our communities,
just drawing rural communities and stuff. But fentanyl is on

(03:58):
the way.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
So supplementary question to the question of whether these this
is going to fight the meth this new government initiative
is are we ready for the fentanyl and the fentanyl
folding that is destroying Canadian cities, the zombies on the street,
the horror that's happening to lives in California, that's all
coming to New Zealand, it certainly is, So are we

(04:20):
ready for that?

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah? Do we need to get ahead of that? That
is after two o'clock. But right now, let's have a
chat about the idea of so called asset sales. It
is controversial mini circles. But Treasury has raised the alarm
about the government's finances. We know we're broke. They've worn
that the rising costs and slower revenue growth of pushing
the budget towards an unsustainable path. They are suggesting the
government consider selling or recycling some state owned assets to

(04:44):
help balance the books. So it's already dividing opinion. Of course,
as it often does, critics warn against offloading important assets,
while supporters that maybe necessary to get the finances under control.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, well, we spend a lot of money on COVID
and then Gabrielle, so we don't have a lot of
cash going on at the moment.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
We've got a lot of debt and so currently we're.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Borrowing just to pay for the basics. Yep, you just
can't do that. Everyone knows you can't keep doing that.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
It's no way to run a budget, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
So sure, in twenty thirteen, there was a referendum and
everyone said, well, sixty five percent I believe I'm just
off the top of my head, I think sixty five
percent of people said no to asset sales. But then
there were some asset sales, there were the mixed ownership
models and such. But now it's twenty twenty five and

(05:33):
things have changed. So do we need to start thinking
about asset sales again under these new even more intense
financial conditions that the current their government's in and the
countries again? Because yeah, I mean, does the government need
to be running TV stations? I mean, it's a good question.
Do we need to be running key.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
We Rail yep. Do we need to be owning banks
NZ post? Yeah? Do we rarely? Do we want our
government and by extension us to be trying to operate
those sort of things. I w e One hundred and eighty
ten eighty as the number to call.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
John says yes, Matt. If you say key rail again
and is going to extend down the phone and hit
you on.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
The ear, well, that's all of a talent.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
That's just asking the question about Kivy Rayl and wow,
can can you do that?

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Jane? John? If you can do that, that's impressive.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
John.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Actually, I don't mind being hit around the ear if
you can. If you if you have the ability to
extend down the line and hit me around the air,
then go for it.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
You can't say something like that without proving it.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
But we, as in the taxpayers have given so much
to Kiwi Whale in my opinion, the government should own electricity, water, road,
rail and medical.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Jeers Well, thank you very much, John. I mean, look
just on that to John. You've got to say John
that if we've given so much to Kiwi Rail, are
we actually getting much back? And how much we've pumped
into that particular organization. That's a whole It's the whole
point of it, right.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
This is the test here. Fentanyl is here, not coming
Come on, guys. Yeah, everyone knows that fentanyl is here,
but not in the myth was here before we called
it pe There was myth here and then there was
an explosions as it as it came into the country
on mass right, it shocked. So everyone knows fentanyls is
on a different topic, is here and it's been mixed
with other drugs, but it's not here in the way

(07:12):
that it is in Canada.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, okay, yeah, And the question is do we need
to get ahead of it? It is here, and do
we need to pump some money into it? But that
is after two o'clock because right now we are chatting
about asset sales or the idea of it. Is it
sensible to have that discussion. And if you look at
some of the organizations the government runs, which ones do
you think would be right at the top of the
list for maybe flogging off? Oh eight, one hundred and

(07:33):
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Nine two
nine two is the text number? Come on, guys.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 2 (07:47):
It'd be at sixteen past one. Just before we get
to the topic about asset sales. Just a heads up,
we are going to cross to our man on the
ground live from the Central Planateau. Obviously a significant fire
event happening in tonged Edo. There is a stand up
happening just after one o'clock, so we will have a
chat to Mike Scott who is there to get the latest.
That is a little bit later on. But back to

(08:07):
this top topic. Rather spit it out, Tiller about asset sales.
So Treasury has warned we're in a dire financial position
and it suggested we need to have a serious debate
about looking at some of our government assets to potentially
flog off some or all of it. Now, Mike Hoskin
was chatting to our Prime Minister as he always does
on a Monday, and he brought up the idea of

(08:29):
selling off assets. Here's what was said.

Speaker 6 (08:31):
I think we need to have quite a mature conversation
about assets in New Zealand. I think it's been a
very simplistic one of you that flog them off or
you keep them. But you and I don't have the
same cars that we had when we first started, and
we don't keep our assets forever. And actually, when you
look at what KWI saver funds do or super funds do,
they rotate assets through a portfolio. I don't think our
government agencies do a very good job of managing their

(08:52):
assets in general. In fact, we're the fourth worst and
the OECD and running an asset management Fifty percent of
our most capital intentsive agencies haven't had asset management plans,
which means they don't even know what they own and
where the.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Assets actually are.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
But if you look at something like pump, which is
a whole bunch of farmland that the government owns and runs,
why for the next out to what twenty thirty one,
we're going to have high prices for protein and red meat.
We're pretty bad, I imagine as a government run farm
relative to other farmers doing that job much better. And
that could give young farmers an opportunity to get into
some land.

Speaker 7 (09:24):
Palm is probably your best example. But you go down
to Gen Taylor's the politics gets in play, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, there will be a whole bunch of politics.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
But I think I'd like to keep it a level
up and have a principled conversation.

Speaker 7 (09:35):
Reckon you can do that well, I'd like to try,
is reny broadly speaking correct?

Speaker 6 (09:39):
Though, I think it's a good challenge. I think there
is a lot that we can do around government efficiencies.
For sure, We've got a hell of a long way
to go still there. I think we can grow the
economy quickly. But I think this is a legitimate, good
conversation for us to have. But there is genuine case
for if you look at the success stories of Singapore
and other places, you know, recycling assets so that actually

(10:00):
the New Zealand taxpayer gets money from assets that then
is deployed to another asset that actually creates value for
them that is more useful for them. That's good And yeah,
I seven nineteen sixty two, Riley off, I don't own
it anymore.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
So that was the Prime minister's thoughts. What have you
got to say about that?

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Well, let's go to peak from New Plumpus thoughts. Welcome
to the show, Pete, you know.

Speaker 8 (10:21):
Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 9 (10:22):
Yeah, I'm against it, don't they learn? Like you know,
when Roger Douglas sold everything like the post officers and
that we sold half of our electricity companies. We got
fifty one percent share in them, and we know what
that is. It's all about greed. This shearholders are putting
their hands in their pockets and not really putting what

(10:43):
they should really back for the infrastructure. We wonder why
our power bulls are hours so high. Do they not
learn from the past. I'm a bit disappointed in Crystal
Luxe and even thinking that idea we brought the railways
back from there was at Australia Owen ran it down
to the ground. Now we spent all that money and

(11:04):
maybe going down the same track again. What are they on?

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Well, you got to say that the railway situation was interesting.
Ninety ninety three we sold it for three hundred and
twenty eight million, and then I believe we bought the
KeyWe rail back for six hundred and sixty five million.
So you've got to say that that wasn't a great
deal going on there. But Pete, would you agree that
we it's not a good way to run a country
when we're having to borrow money from overseas just to
keep the basic services going.

Speaker 9 (11:30):
Yeahbi once we got very little assets. Now what the
government owes? Do we really want to turn into a
third worl come, that's a way a game will sell everything.
We end not like they end up having China coming
in buying us out.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Do you think what about let's go for some specific
ones that have be mentioned here? Do you think the
government needs to own, say TV and Z.

Speaker 9 (11:55):
I think we still should have a station because you
never know what happens, Like there's so much unheavil right
now with China. I mean he's still going to have
basic that sort of stuff because it's something has so
we still have for a TV station, we sell off
and got enough and be gonna have China running our
TV station. No, thanks very much, but you could.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
But you know, back in the day maybe that was
the only way you could get information out. But nowadays,
you know, the Internet means that we're very capable of
communicating with each other without you know, flicking on a television.

Speaker 9 (12:30):
Yeah, we're still going to have basic infrastructure like our
post offices. It's even a thing about selling that now.
The post office now is running basically how they're running
and as the curies are doing Okay, you can get
stuff cured pretty quick, as you know, you've heard about
it taking two or three weeks. Aget long it turn
the post. Now what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, but that doesn't that, you know, sort of promote
the argument that we should flog them off because we're
terrible at running some of these organizations. I mean, you
know you can look. I agree with you on some
of the power companies and that gets complex when you
look at the gen tailors. But that is a critical
part of our infrastructure. But in zed post key We
Bank that never came to fruition. There were big promises
made about Kiwi Bank, It's going to shake up the industry.

(13:12):
That never happened. They're still trying. Does it not make
sense to look at some of these assets, Pete.

Speaker 9 (13:17):
No, I don't think what we have we don't own
much now. So if you want to get everything, we
had nothing We all reliant on, like our fuel we
got rid of Marsden point when they want to just
look at what they are doing, I know, we just
you get to a stage as you've got to borrow
and is not you can't sell all you all your

(13:38):
duels at the end of the day' otherwise you have
nothing leet. It's not good for the country, and we
sell our prime things like post office. Well have you
ever bit of pride and dignity hold on to what
we what we still have left.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I think if you call Pete appreciate that someone says
good luck finding someone that wants to buy a TV INSI.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, I mean how would they sell it for?

Speaker 10 (13:57):
You?

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Would have reckoned be interesting to work out. I mean,
I don't think selling TV in z it is going
to solve a problem.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
No, it's not going to get much. I mean that
might tie us over for a day or two.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
I mean, let's just say you get a billion dollars
for it. Okay, let's say you get a billion dollars. Yeah,
that's that's handy. That's not bad, it's handy. I'm not
sure if you could get a billion dollars for it.
I'm not sure who's buying TV channels these days. But
if you could, then then then that would stop us
having to borrow a billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, yep, that's a lot of money. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. How do
you feel about this idea of looking at some of
our assets to get them ready for sale. The ones
that are underperforming. Love to get your views. Nine two
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Speaker 2 (16:11):
It is twenty seven past one and we're talking about
asset sales. Treasury is nudging the government to sell state
assets that are underperforming. So what do you say, Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Someone points out, wasn't TV three sold for one dollar?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah? Yeah, yes, so does anyone?

Speaker 3 (16:27):
How would we find out what the market value is
for TV ins it and whether there.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Is people people jumping up and down. I can see
Land Corp absolutely, yes, that's some coin.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
You know that that was absolutely worth the money. The
post office? Is there people jumping up and down to
get into the I mean you know courier post is
fantastic yep. Fantastic business, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (16:48):
They could take it on absolutely yep.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
You know, let's go through some of these these companies
or organizations Treasury has suggested. So obviously TV INSID, as
you mentioned in posts, Kiwi Bank, Kiwi Rail, New Zealand
Rails transpower and some of our airpoints are airports rather
met service and quotable value. So what do you say
the six is, Matt Tyler, the government needs to get
rid of the public owned TV in Z and are

(17:12):
in z They should also sell another twenty five percent
of in New Zealand. Why are we running farms? We
should be selling them off. Even some dockland could be sold.
He is neil on your neil So that's what Neil believes.
But what do you reckon, Helen. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 11 (17:25):
Oh hello, yes, great topic. Now just a few thoughts
that come to mind. Not the whole picture, mind you,
but they could be they could be charging for the
bottled water that goes out of the country for which
they don't pay anything the bottling companies. That's worth a

(17:47):
bubble two. And then the student loans of Falters, and
the child maintenance the Faulters who who were hiding overseas.
Then the stick on the Willis's tax cuts, which he
was born not to do because it was unsustainable. And
there must be quite a few other things they could

(18:09):
look at. I'm against the asset sales and it's absolutely necessary.
I'm actually against them, but there we are. But anyway,
I'm fully believe, you know, a strong believer that they
should be charging for the bottle of water instead of
letting it go out as it is.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, fair enough, Thank you for your call, Helen.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, I mean, I guess we've got a what's the
we've got. The problem that we have is that we're
borrowing money from overseas just to run the core things
that we need in this country. And so is the
solution to tax everyone more? And fine news taxes?

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Is that the solution? But does that actually grow the.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Economy or is it just shrinking the economy and making
things worse down.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
The track exactly?

Speaker 3 (18:55):
And or should we flick off some assets to try
and help the situation?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, because it's not selling the whole family silver, is it.
It's looking at say the likes of TV and D.
We brought this up, and how much is that actually worth?
But when was the last time they actually maged to
pay a dividend to the government eatu. I think finally
they managed it last year, but it was ten years
without any sort of payment and there was money pumped
into it from the government. So how's that for a
performing as set? That it's costing us money to to

(19:21):
prop that up? And you can argue the same. KEII
Bank has just got five hundred million dollars from the
government to try and make it sustainable and compete with
the Aussie banks. I mean, this is just propping up dead,
dead horses, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (19:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:33):
But I guess, I mean the problem with the banks
is a bit you know, Ideally we'd want a bank
that can pick with the Aussie banks, so all that
money isn't just leaving our country, right. The problem is
for a bank like Kiwi Bank to compete with the
Aussie banks, it needs to get a lot of capital,
and the capital it needs to get probably comes from overseas,
which means overseas ownership. So it's in a kind of
a bit of a catch twenty two situation with the

(19:56):
idea of Keem Bank to solve a problem. To solve
that problem, it kinds of has to become part of
the problem. I guess you could argue.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah nicely, said right. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. We got the headlines
hot on our tail and coming up very shortly. We
are going to have a chat to Brad Olsen, the
CEO of Informetrics, to get his thoughts on this idea.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
John says he'll give ten cents to the government for
Radio New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Okay, it's good offer. That's a fair offer. That's ten cents.
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Speaker 2 (21:48):
Thank you very much, Raylian. So as we've been discussing
a discussing treasury as nudging the government to look at
potentially selling off some state assets that are underperforming or
are no longer fit for purpose. To discuss this further,
we are joined by Brad Olson, the CEO of for Metrics. Brad,
could they have you back on the show? Good afternoon,
team Brad.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Are we currently borrowing more money from overseas to run
the basics of this country? So are we basically going
in debt just to stay to tread water?

Speaker 13 (22:21):
Yeah, Unfortunately we are having to borrow for sort of
just the daily costs, which of course means that future
generations have got to pay that back, but they don't
get any of the benefit because it's paying for payments
that are going out one time only sort of right
the second So that doesn't make a huge amount of sense.
It's a tough one economically, but on the current forecast
that's going to continue out until the end of the decade.

(22:42):
So it is challenging when you're in deficit. You have
to pay for all of that sort of gap in debt.
And I think the point that the Treasury has come
out with with their investment statement of saying, look, let's
actually have a bit more of a conversation around like
why does the government own certain stuff at various points
over time. It's bought things, it's acquired things, it's held
on to things. But why should we own a TV station?

(23:06):
Should we own farms? Should we own tricity companies? Maybe
the default answer that should be maybe not instead of
definitely yes.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
So if you look at those assets though, say TV
and Z New Zealand posts, kere We bank Land Corps
seems like quite a good one. But are they are
they difference makers if we sold there? I mean, how
much is TV and Z worth?

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Well?

Speaker 14 (23:28):
All up?

Speaker 13 (23:29):
The government or Treasury reckons that the government owns about
ninety nine billion dollars worth of assets that are sort
of more commercial in nature, so they're not your vital
infrastructure like roads and similar I think that's about three
hundred and forty odd billion that you get with hospital skills,
roads all that no one's talking about doing anything with them.
There's a couple I think there's nearly two hundred billion

(23:50):
worth of commercial investments, so you know the like acc Fund,
the Superfund. Again, no one's discussing getting rid of them.
You might always change exactly what they want to do
with their money and what the government requires of those
managers to fund or to look to increase those investments.
But it's anet and billion dollars worth of assets that
the effectively their companies of different descriptions that you go, well,

(24:14):
why is the government going to be better at deciding
on how these assets play out than the private sector,
especially when some of them are you know, they're not
fully owned by the government either, and so there's other
influences other investors that sort of want a certain return.
And I think, look, the point here is more not
necessarily just to sort of, as some people put it,
you know, you sell the family looms and then you know,

(24:36):
you just sort of spend it on the day to day.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
It's more, if we want more.

Speaker 13 (24:40):
Investments into certain areas, which apparently is a country we do.
We know we've got an infrastructure deficit. Is the government
better to recycle out some of the assets that they're
not currently getting the best performance from or don't think
are the best things to hold and instead use that
money to invest in other things that they do think
are more important, like over time, you do it just
you're spending an investment as a household. I think that's

(25:01):
healthy for the government to consider too.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Now, I think most people agree that, you know, private
ownership is more efficient than government ownership. But then that
brings in the profit over public good part of it.
So what are the risks around that of selling these
assets or parts of these assets.

Speaker 13 (25:16):
Yeah, there's difficult elements, and I think you know, people
are always concerned when they see some of those big
profit numbers. But again that's the risk that investors are
taking around, you know, putting their money in at some
times they might not be making as bigger returns. But importantly,
remember that there's still a profit you know, expectation from
a number of New Zealand companies that are still owned

(25:37):
by the government, like in New Zealand TV and Z
all of those they are expected to turn a profit.
They're expected to make money. So this sort of idea
that you know, government owned stuff shouldn't be making money
is actually completely wrong. It's deliberately set up to do that.
And instead you then go well, how do you sort
of potentially make sure that there are some elements of

(25:58):
maybe not control, but regulation around what comes through. There's
still regulation, for example, around different elements of how the
media works and what things can or can't be published
and everything else, so you don't lose control of that
as a government, but you just don't sort of have
to then be playing in the ad revenue space or
everything else. So look, there's a whole raft of these.

(26:19):
I guess the sort of challenge in the question is
if you sort of were to get a bunch of
New Zealanders to write out a bunch of assets that
they think the government should hold and what the government
does hold, how many people are writing down what we've
currently got, and how many people have got other stuff
that they think is more important that would be better
to swap in an outfull You might well have the
same value of investments at the end, but it might

(26:39):
be in different areas, sort of more social areas where
normally the private market might not provide that sort of stuff,
be it you know, healthcare, bed, infrastructure or otherwise.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
We're talking to Infometric CEO Brad Olsen. Now, energy sector
is the one that everyone brings up. So the current
price of electricity in New Zealand, how much is partial
asset sales responsible for that price increased?

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Well, I don't think.

Speaker 13 (27:04):
I don't think a huge huge amount, because again, government
retains you know, a fair whack of those those companies.
They can you know, exert control. And I guess the point,
right if you're the government and you own an electricity company,
but you're at the same time saying, well, the electricity
companies are not doing good for the people of New Zealand.
And that's sometimes the comments that come out from various
politicians like, bro, you own them, do something with it,

(27:27):
like either use your power or like get rid of them,
because there's sort of no point in holding something, collecting
the money that comes in from the profits and then
going oh, well, the thing that I own is not
doing the thing that I want it.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
To make it. That's what ownership's for.

Speaker 13 (27:39):
And I guess that's probably the big challenge right of
the last couple of years, is that people have gone,
will hang on, we're owning these things, we're not clearly
exerting the control that we think we want to. What's
the point of that ownership again, which is why this
conversation is going up. And I guess look, the point
really when you look at the likes of the energy
companies and similar is if government hasn't made bigger calls

(28:01):
or sort of had more direction on what they want
from those energy companies, then it sort of can't say
that there's you know, that they've done anything particular to
energy prices, because clearly the lever's been there and nothing's
been pulled. So it does be the question, what's the
point in having something if you're not going to use
the ownership rights over it.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
It's very nice, you said, Brad. But the tricky part,
correct me if I'm wrong with the when it comes
to the gentailors and the electricity company is the untold
hundreds and hundreds of millions various government has pumped into
the infrastructure. Then you look at the idea of selling
them off and all that costs sunk into that, and
then to bring in an overseas owner to say, yep,
we'll buy those those infrastructure assets off you thank you

(28:39):
very much for your years of pumping millions into that.
Isn't that kind of where people get a bit concerned
is as a country we've looked after that for a
long time and now they're going to put it up
for sale.

Speaker 13 (28:51):
Yeah, to a degree, it can be, although your sales
price should include all of that sort of sun effort
to be put into it. But I think, I mean again,
I don't think anyone's made the cast that it has
to exclusively go to an overseas investor. You know, if
you ask people if you're starting to see this coming
up from a few different companies in New Zealand around
you using key we say assets to go onto infrastructure.
I mean, you know, the likes of Simplicity has talked

(29:13):
about that recently too. So there's clearly options to try
and sort of provide more of a commercial directive but
also sort of you know, maybe not keep it fully
and let's call it government ownership, but at least provide
the option or the opportunity for New Zealanders to still
do it. And again I guess the challenges right, I mean,
you heard from the Finance Minister recently who said, look,

(29:34):
we didn't think we were being a constraint on the
energy companies, but the more and more we talk to them,
the more and more they say, well, look if the
government's not willing to put money in themselves to maintain
their current holdings, then maybe as an energy company we
won't invest quite as much. That was the point that
was always made, and so government sort of said, look,
we've never held back on you. It's just that no
one's really asked the question as directly. So the next

(29:56):
couple of years, I dare expect that you might well
see the government either need to pony up more investment
to put more into the energy sector to help things out.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
That's sort of the challenge.

Speaker 13 (30:06):
If we've got pretty limited amounts of money in, is
there a decision that New Zealanders are okay with putting
that level of investment in. That's the compromise that you've got,
and it's a very very delicate balance.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Now going to Keiwi Bank speaking of delicate balances, and
I would say sort of a catch twenty two situation.
So the idea of Kiwi Bank is to compete with
the Aussie banks, and so not so much money is
going overseas because we feel like we might have sold
off ben Z and such back in the day for
a bargain and then get got absolutely rinsed on that.
But for Keiwi Bank to compete, then we need to

(30:42):
bring sort of sell off a large percentage of it
and then it becomes the same thing as the Aussie banks.
So do you think that that is a solvable problem?
And do you think there's enough money in New Zealand
for if you you know, you ownly New Zealanders were
allowed to buy into Kiwi Bank, do you think that
is a possibility to make a competitive bank in those
in that regard?

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Look, I think that one's tricky.

Speaker 13 (31:03):
One of my greatest challenges just conceptually with that one
is that if you're going to own a bit and
cares a government, but you're not going to use that
bank to do your own banking. If you're not going
to back the thing you own, why should anyone else
like that?

Speaker 2 (31:16):
It becomes a real challenge.

Speaker 13 (31:18):
And so again, if it's not making it, you know,
the difference that it was intended to, If it's not
providing that sort of you know, huge difference that people
expecting when it was set up, you do I think
have to ask do we keep doing the same thing
and not getting what we want? Or do we need
to change tech either by yep, changing the investment levels
or whatever, But sometimes by saying is this still you

(31:38):
know the top priority for what we're doing with our money?
Are we better to let other people own it? And
I mean like there's a lot of talk of the
likes of the profits and that going off shore. I
mean that there's a little bit of there's elements of
that all the time and different investments that we make.
But at the same time, there's also the advantage of well,
the banks still provide a pretty important service when it

(31:58):
comes to mortgages and otherwise there's still a lot of
people that are employed to hear domestically buy those operations,
and a lot of the time those high profits are also,
over time at least have been funding those higher capital
buffers that the banks have been required to hold by
the reserve banking case things go wrong. So yes, some
big numbers and we saw some more I think out today,
But that also means that if things went in the

(32:20):
wrong direction, you hope it never does. You hope the
regulations there, but if it ever does, there's still protections
in place because of those higher numbers that have been
coming through so Catch twenty two in multiple different ways
on the banking front, Yeah, Brad always fantastic to get
your thoughts and analysis.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Thanks so much for coming back on the program. Thank
you having me Feiste love. That is Brad Olsen's CEO
of Informetrics. So you've heard Brad's thoughts on this, I'd
love to hear yours. Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten
eighty doesn't make sense to look at some of our
underperforming as sets to get them right for sale? Or
does that ideare concern you bank? Very shortly it is
fourteen to two.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
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hundred eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tylor Adams Afternoons
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Speaker 2 (33:04):
They'd be Treasury wants the government to look at as
its sales.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
What do you say?

Speaker 2 (33:08):
How one hundred and eight ten eighty is that numbered?

Speaker 15 (33:10):
Call?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Get a Hamish good guys? How's it going very good?
So you're working on your trek through at the moment
for land Corp?

Speaker 16 (33:17):
Is that right?

Speaker 15 (33:18):
No?

Speaker 17 (33:18):
No, I'm working for someone else. I've never worked for
land Corp.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
I am.

Speaker 17 (33:24):
I know that you know what it does, and I
know that their costs are probably a little bit higher
than a lot of commercial guys. But yeah, my thing
is with the whole.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
Sale of it.

Speaker 17 (33:37):
I think it's a great idea, but you know, the
average farm size for one family would be a five
hundred hectare farm to support one family and maybe a
couple of kids. The deposit on that is three million
dollars minimum cash. Now, I don't know anyone in my

(33:58):
sector who aren't existing farm owners who can come up
with that sort of capital, let alone the banks, you know,
going to party.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
So just rowing back to Landcorp and looking at at
the assets that they've got and I just had a
wee look on PAMU website. So it's around three hundred
and sixty thousand hectares. To a layman, that sounds like
a very valuable, you know, slice of New Zealand that
could be sold off to be better managed by Would
that I mean, would it go to everyday kiwis? Do
you think hamoush or that could be off to internationals?

Speaker 17 (34:32):
Yeah, that's what I wanted to talk about is at
the moment spread mainly sheep and beef sector. I can't
talk about the dairy because I'm not a dairy farmer,
but you know, most of the farms that are getting
sold at the moment, are getting purchased by overseas investors
to go into pine trees, and you know the government's

(34:52):
done a little bit to slow that down, but I
know I've got friends and family members who their farms
are getting sold and you know, the next generation is
unable to come up with the capital to buy it.
So the farms are getting swallowed up by the neighbors
farm or going into pine trees, and I think like

(35:13):
they are. PAMU is looking at leasing or going into
equity shares with these farms, which is kind of like
renting a farm which which you know has you may
have to have two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to
get in, which is doable for you know, for a
farm worker.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Sounds like a good plan. Amos, thank you very much
for your phone call. And you know there's a lot
of chat about Parmeu in that land call. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Well, I mean if you're if you're renting it and
you're running a little business there as a farm, then
imagine efficiency would become very important to you.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, when one right, We're going to play some messages
back very shortly though it is eight minutes to two Matt.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
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Speaker 3 (36:01):
So where we didn't like asset sales in this nation
back in twenty thirteen when we had the referendum, do
we we go to sixty five percent against it? And
I think it's a political hot potato, isn't it?

Speaker 18 (36:11):
It is?

Speaker 3 (36:11):
We still went in and did some after that non
binding referendum. But things are bad at the moment financially,
and sure sure no one thinks, surely no one thinks
borrowing money from overseas to pay for core services as
a sustainable.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Way to run an economy.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
We're already taxing the absolute crap out of our citizens.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
So what do we do?

Speaker 3 (36:31):
We can go on about the massive cockups like key
we Rail where we paid an insane amount to buy
back a guarded business. That's not a great asset sale situation,
there is it, But surely each case is different. Maybe
we could look at each potential sale in its own
merits Taylor the right mix ownership model where it works
and you know, not engage in the usual Henny Penny

(36:52):
response to anything that is brought up for discussion and
maybe find some kind of balance that works for the
great country of ours. You know, maybe esset sales should.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Be in the mix. Yeah, yes, open.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Do we need to own a TV station?

Speaker 19 (37:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Good question.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Will that bring in the kind of money that make
a difference.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I don't know much as it worth, but let's look
at Langcorp.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Let's have a look and let's have a discussion about it.
That would be cool.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, nice summary, and thank you very much for everyone
who takes and called on that one. Right coming up
after two o'clock, we're going to take you live to
the Central Plateau to get the latest on this massive wildfire.
Authorities have just had a media briefing, so we're going
to have a chat to New Zealand Heralds Mike Scott,
who is on the ground. Then we want to have
a chat to you about more investment government investment going

(37:32):
into tackling myth amphetamine, but also should we be looking
ahead to the fentanyl crisis that is ravaging many parts
of the world. That's all coming up after two o'clock.
Great of your company. As always you're listening to Matt
and Tyler newsport and weather fast approaching. Stay right here.
We'll be back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Talking with you all. Afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons news Talks.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
It'd be very good afternoon, Sue. It is six pass two,
just before we get into our next topic. Firefighter's face
another day battling to bring the Tongadedo National Park fire
under control. The large fire on the Central Plants I
broke out on Saturday, triggering evacuations of trampers and residents,
including Fucker Pupper Village. Authorities have just finished a media

(38:18):
briefing and New Zealand heralds Mike Scott was there. He's
on the ground and he joins us on the phone. Now, Mike,
very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 20 (38:27):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Who was at the stand up and what do we
learn about the situation?

Speaker 20 (38:31):
Mike, there was a multi agency stand up, so we
had doc we had been police, Local, EWE and Marech
with curtains.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
And what came out of that media briefing? Mike, I
understand we've we've found out roughly how many hectares have
been destroyed by this fire.

Speaker 20 (38:53):
Yeah, twenty eight hundred hectares has been destroyed so far,
which sounds pretty bad, but actually there was a little
bit of good news out of this briefing. The fire
is way more contained. Weather has been helping been quite
wet here, and so the kind of things are looking
a bit better. There's also not so much wind, not
like in the weekend when it was hot and dry

(39:14):
in windy.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
So have we seen the worst of the spire, do
you think, Mike?

Speaker 20 (39:19):
Yes, yeah, we have. The residents of the Fucker Papa
Village are actually going to be allowed to back this
afternoon so they can return to their homes, which you know,
that's obviously a good sign. The fire itself, the main
part of the fire has actually been kind of contained,
and so it's split into two flanks, and those flanks
aren't quite as devastating as what the fire was like yesterday.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
And what does it smell like at the moment, Mike?
Can you still smell the smoke there? Are you still
seeing some flames in the distance.

Speaker 20 (39:48):
No, you're not. When I arrived at six o'clock this morning, Yeah,
it was smoky and you could definitely smell it right now. No,
it seems like quite a nice crisp alpine day. It's
very cloudy here, so we can't see any flames or
any smoke at the moment.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
So you say twenty eight hundred heck tears have been
affected by the file. What sort of specific damages occurred
in that twenty eight hundred he tears.

Speaker 20 (40:14):
It's mainly just the destruction of the bush. It's sort
of a subbale pine sort of bush, very slow growing,
quite devastating, actually, Camien from Dock he was saying that
that's the worst impact. There's probably been some impact on
the track, you know, the tong we were crossing in
the Northern Surgeon as well, but not as much as
what they thought. They think that that can be sort

(40:36):
of rectified really quickly. It's the bush that's been damaged
that's the real harm. The good users is that the fire,
when it split into these two flanks, it was able
to be diverted away from public village but also towards
crucially not hit beach forest or the kiwed that resided.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
There was there any information, Mike about how this may
have started the fire?

Speaker 20 (41:00):
No, they hadn't let us. There's only speculation at the moment,
and there's an investigation going on and sins North last.
We're going to give us any more information on that
at the moment.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, And the message from Western kurtin the mirror of Rupai,
who obviously was we are back open for business. We
want people to go back, and I suppose that is
an important thing for some of those businesses down there, right, Mike, Oh, definitely.

Speaker 20 (41:23):
This is an area that's been hit consistently for the
last five years. You know, you've had ski field closures,
You've had the shadow and closure. You know, they're obviously
suffered through COVID and they even had the sawmills closed
down rather he So it's like it's just been kind
of punched every year. So this is just the latest one.
So you really do feel for them. But you know,

(41:44):
Where's as a positive guy. He's going to be looking
to try and make things now come back to life
as quickly as possible.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Sounds like some good news all around, Mike, that they've
got it under control and people can start going back,
But it sounds like there will be a bit of
clean up to go before this is all over.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (42:01):
I look, those firefighters will be there for days actually,
because you know, while the fire the main things might
be gone, there's going to be still clean up and
making sure that there's no flames underneath the ground. Really. Yeah,
so you're still a long way to.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Go, Mike, really appreciate your time this afternoon and coming on.
Thank you and all the best down there.

Speaker 20 (42:18):
No worries, thank you.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
That is the New Zealand heralds Mike Scott on the
latest on that wildfire and tonguededo. So thankfully it appears
that they have started to contain that fire and residents
have started coming back. So that is good news because
it was pretty full on. Right, let's get into this discussion.
This is going to be a good one. We want
to have a chat about the money that is going
to be added in in the fight against meth and fetamine.

(42:41):
This is thirty million dollars and this will go to
a whole bunch of various things when it comes to
methan fetamine, tougher borders, law enforcement operations, maritime patrols, a
whole raft of these sort of things.

Speaker 18 (42:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
We talked to Ethan Griffiths this morning about these rafts
and he had a good sum up of it. This
is political reporter Ethan Griffiths. First, a bunch more maritime operations.
This is customs, this is the defense force, even the
spies that the GCSB will be working to crack down
on the importation of drugs through the Pacific, boosting enforcement
abilities as well in accepting more communications. They also want

(43:19):
to work with the maritime sector on more broader controls,
like strengthening background checks on port workers.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Over recent years there's been quite a number of high
profile cases of port workers smuggling drugs in and of
course there'll also be more money for health services for
community's hardest hit by myth and a new ad campaign
to raise awareness of meth harm.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
So that is a good list for the government to
put that thirty million dollars towards. And no doubt about it,
methamphetamine is an absolute scourge. I think that was the
words Paul Goldsmith used. But no doubt about it that
I think we were underprepared to deal with the methm
fhetamine when it had our shores originally, right.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Yeah, So you know myth was around and about and
then look, I'm going to say two thousand and three
it really exploded.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Then the word p started being used in the media. Yep.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
I remember us flying and back from from London, and
I've been there for quite a long time and I've
had one of those experiences. We get on in the
New Zealand flight and you hadn't heard a Kiwi accents.
You know, you hear ki accents from your Kiwi friends,
but you hadn't heard it in positions of authority, and
you know, you get on the plane and yet you
hear it. Welcome to a newt nowhere around anyway. And

(44:28):
then there was a there was a hero newspaper there
and I opened it up direct. So I'm flying out
of London and it's got this article on P. And
I had no idea what P was. I'd never heard
of P, and and there was There's two articles. Actually
there was P and there was dog attacks. So I
was going back to New Zealand and I was thought
there was a new drug called P that was destroying
the country and everyone was being attacked by dogs.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
It's hell of a thing to come home to, yeah,
I was.

Speaker 19 (44:51):
I was.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
I was terrified as I arrived home. And you know,
when I got back, I found out the P was
meth and feitamine, which had been around for a while,
but was really exploding and you've got to say that
ripped through New Zealand. We weren't prepared for it, as
you say, and look in twenty twenty five, we're still
trying to deal with it. So I eighty ten eighty.
Do you think this is the that this will help?

(45:11):
Do you think the government's got the right balance of punishment,
enforcement and rehabilitation across the whole kind of thing? But secondarily,
we've got a big, big drug wave coming this way
and it's already here.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Fentanyl yep. I had some the other day after a procedure. Yes,
so clarify that, ye legal, fentl yep. But there's also
you know mdm A being cut with ventanyl that's coming in.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
But it's going to be here more and more and more.
And we've seen what's happening in Canada with the fenty
folding and just the streets of zombies just standing there.
You can see it out of the United States of America.
It's happening all around the world.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Horrific. Yeah, So are we ready?

Speaker 3 (45:50):
We haven't even dealt with this. P Are we ready
for a new drug wave? A very different one. It's
a downer rather than an upper. But you know, what's
the situation with drug enforcement in this country and we
are you know, drug enforcement and dealing with that public
health harm of drugs in this country going forward because
we've got.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
More coming yep. Can we learn from where we got
it wrong with meth and fetamine and get ahead of
the fentinyl crisis that is here and it is fast
approaching more, more and more. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is that number? Four nine two ninety two is
the text number? Back? Very shortly. It is a quarter
past two.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Wow, your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said.

Speaker 15 (46:36):
Be.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Very good afternoon to you. So we're talking about the
increased investment from the government into battling meth and fetamine.
But the secondary question we all know methan fetamine is
an absolute scourge in New Zealand and I think it's
fair to say we're a bit slow off the mark
and dealing with now internal Oh now, my fentanyl is
coming in hot. Are we prepared and should we be
looking seriously at trying to get a head of fentanyl

(47:01):
before it takes hold. Oh, eight hundred and eight ten
eighty is that number? Coour You just have to go
on line.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
If you don't know what we're talking about, just look
up fenty fold and this the zombies that are covering
the streets of certain North American cities. Canada has been
hit incredibly bad, incredibly badly by fentanyl and it just
seems to take people's lives away from them and they're
just quite happy to stand on the streets swaying back
and forward.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
It's like some kind of dystopian future. It's horrifying. Yeah,
they're walking dead and it's coming to New Zealand. Yep,
it certainly is. On the line? Is former police Minister
Stuart nashta a chat about this kid? I Stewart, How
are you so, Stuart Nash? Fentanyl?

Speaker 3 (47:42):
You've looked into this problem, haven't you.

Speaker 12 (47:44):
Yeah. So when I was Minister of Police very early on,
so this would have been twenty eighteen, went across the
United States and had a look at this and this
is when the fenttal epidemic was in full force and
right across North America. Actually, and we've never really had
an opahoid problem in New Zone. There's been small pockets
of heroin in the past, but never fent on in
the way that's hit North America and not really Europe.

(48:09):
You know, Methan Thetaman is an absolute scourge. And what
happened is when the five oh one, you know, these
were the gangs. This is what was when Australia started
sending back all those really bad guys and the guys
at the Commachios and the band Deitos and these Australian
gangs got well established here. And what happened is they
bought with them their international networks, professionalism and in a

(48:33):
much more mercenary way of doing business. And when I
say doing business and talking about the importation and the
distribution of betem Fetterman and that's when it really took
off from this country, and we weren't prepared for it.
I don't think we were prepared for the level of
sophistication that these Australian gangs brought in and couldn't speed.
We've paid the price for it. I think, please do
a much better job now in terms of things are

(48:55):
coming in. Look, we've never the reason why I'm slightly skeptical,
that's going to hit our shores in the way that
it has Canada, for example, is because traditionally the New
Zealand market, we've paid the second highest price the mythm
theta mean that any country in the world outside of Japan.
And so the gangs. You know, even when I was

(49:15):
Minister of Police, so we're talking six years ago now,
they estimated the gangs were making five hundred million dollars
out of meth atheta mean, so that's that's profit out
of illegal drugs. And so there was never really a
business case to bring fentalel into this country because so
much money was being made out out of metha theta mean.
The distribution networks are well established here by the gangs

(49:36):
the police. At one point, the gangs were far more
sophisticated than the police in terms of distribution but also avoidance.
The police are. You know, they're investing heavily now in surveillance,
and I think that the new money put them by
the government is probably overdue but well needed. But the

(49:57):
level of sophistication that the law enforcement agencies need in
order to be ahead of these gangs is significant. So
the investment required is massive.

Speaker 20 (50:07):
But but the thing is here.

Speaker 12 (50:09):
There are two sides of this coin, right, So there's
a supply and there's a demand. So you go really
hard on the supply. You hit these guys with the
full force of the law. You know, you give the
police the powers that they need to go really hard
against these guys. And some of those powers are reasoning
with Chiconian, but I backed them one hundred percent. But
then there's a demand side. And I've always believed that

(50:30):
that drug addiction should be treated as a as a
health issue as opposed to a criminal issue. And the
problem is if we start locking a whole other people
up with addiction problems, then you don't deal with the issue.
We really do need to invest in addiction and mental
health services if we were to get on and get
this under control, but also get the buy in from

(50:52):
the community. And there've been some fantastic programs up north.
There was one where the police worked very closely with
the DHB and it worked, had great success, but it
sort of didn't get rolled out across the country unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
So Fentanela is already in New Zealand and being fixed.
And were you know you hear about that people you
know shoving it into two M D M A and such,
and obviously there's huge risks with that. Whereas do you
know how that's getting into the country, with what the
pathways to fentanyl being, you know, arriving in New Zealand.

Speaker 12 (51:26):
Well, I hear you saying that, but as far as
I'm aware, including I'm wrong in this, it's not showing
up in the wastewater. So what happens is police test
wastewater continuously, so we know from all the wastewater testing
we're the methm fetomen there's who's using it how much
that that's why we can say, you know, East Coast
and North Island, Northland, for example, there's a lot of

(51:48):
mythm fetomine in Moost communities. It's why we can say
down and crost Use there's a lot of ketamine. Because
we the police have and the scientists have, are really
good facts around around what's coming. And every now and
again there was intentally did show up and I remember
back in the day we was always a bit of
a mystery to us and in the end we thought

(52:09):
it was probably a medical clinic cleaning out at supply
or something along those lines. But I'm not aware. But
if I'm wrong on this of of fentanyl showing up
in the wastewater and all these illegal drugs show up
and the wastewater in a way which is which is
quite specific and very detailed. So if you know, if
you've heard that methin fetamen is coming, and the only

(52:30):
way we would know that the level and the scale
of it is through this wastewater testing.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
So well, it's coming, it has been coming. I haven't
seen wastewater fentanyl showing up, but it has been found
in drug testing at festivals and stuff. You know when
that when you know someone takes their their drugs up,
you know, you know, drug people, the people that drug
dealers aren't the most what you call it above board opparatus,
so they'll fix it with whatever whatever it takes to

(52:57):
sell the the product cheaply. But you know, you don't
know if that fentanyl that has been used in that situation,
or if it's just one particular person who has access
to the fentanyl that is legally available in New Zealand,
you know, and is buying it off of people that
are getting it legitimately, which is a lot of the
way that the whole heroine the cooking up the heroine

(53:18):
situation work back in the day, so we all know.

Speaker 12 (53:21):
By the end of summer, a federal is a problem
in this country, like you say, because of the festivals.
And actually the drug testing is something that I pushed
hugely when I was Minister of Police because I thought
it was vital. You know, if people are going to
these festivals and taking pills, they need to know what's
in them. And you know, there were some people who
believe know what you do as you're bury hidden and
sand because people shouldn't be taking legal drugs. Well, of
course they shouldn't, but that's not dealing with the reality

(53:43):
of the situation we find themselves in. If fentanyl is
being mixed in with MDMA, and back in the day
it wasn't vental, it was almost everything else has been
mixed in with the DNA, so I think I think
at Rhythm and Vines, I went up there one on
the first of January, and all the pills they tested,
I think sixty percent of them weren't what they said
they were. But if there is fentanyl being mixed with

(54:04):
m DMA, then I have no doubt we will see
deaths this summer at festivals. And I hope like hell
that that we're that we're wrong and we're not seeing
fentanyl cut in with md A in any in any
sort of scale. If as mentioned the stuff that used
to show up in the waste water, we it was
so minimal we just thought it was perhaps a clinic
getting rid of old stuff, right, because of course you

(54:26):
can get ventanel. I mean, my son broke his leg
seven weeks ago and he was given fentanyl.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
I've had ventanyl and I've had ventanyl.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
We're talking to Stuart Na's former Minister of place. I've
had fentanyl after a procedure recently, and I can tell
you it's it's one of the most euro euphoric experiences
of my life. I was lying in the bed after
the procedure on fentanyl thinking where can I get more
of this? I was seriously, I was seriously thinking where
can I get more of this? Once it wore off
and I was sitting on the couch at home, I

(54:55):
had a big went into a trough of some kind
of deep you know, the higher you go, the lower
you get afterwards.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Kind of situation.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
But after that, I thought, I can see why people
give up their entire lives for the stroke.

Speaker 12 (55:06):
Yeah, but what used to What happens in the States
and Canada, North America is they regularly prescribe opioids for
pain relief, and so people became and the numerous programs
in this and such and vari intant documentaries, and what
happens is people do become adapted to it, and once
the prescript runs out or the medical professional sysue now
no longer need this in order to deal with the
issue that you came to us for that they're past

(55:29):
the point of addiction. But what happens in New Zealand
is very very rarely people prescribed opioids over the counts
for pain relief. So you haven't got the opportunity to
become addicted. It's the reason why we haven't got a
thingful the epidemic, because it's just not that the opioid
prescription is not part of our sort of medical DNA.

(55:50):
You do have it, like you say, in the situation
you're in, like my son is, but it provides very
quick pain relief and it is very effective at that.
But you know, no doctor would have given you a
one month prescription of fentanyl in order to manage pain
after an operation. So you know there.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Sorry to jump in there. We're we're really enjoying this
chat and it's great to chat to you as a
former police minister who looked into this. So you're right
to hold there. We'll play some messages and come back
with a few more questions. Fit sure, yep, brilliant. We
are talking to Stuart Nash, former Minister of Police when
it comes to getting ahead of the fentanyl crisis. It
is twenty seven past two back in the monc.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on News Talk said, be good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
So we're having a discussion about fentonel. It is on
the back of the Metham Phetamine Investment or to battle
the methan fedtamine crisis in New Zealand, but should we
be doing more about fentanyl. A man who actually ordered
an action plan on fentanyl back in twenty eighteen is
Stuart Nash, former Minister of Police who's stayed on the
line for us. Stuart, thanks again for holding on, Stewart
A you there is.

Speaker 12 (57:01):
We've really got to give the police the tools needed
to go hard on this and a lot harder than
they are like a set infiscation, you know, don't have
a limit on this. I think matches of the same
view as I am Mike Mitchell, the current Minister of Police,
is you've got to give the police the tools to
go really hard against these gangs. They make a lot
of money.

Speaker 6 (57:20):
Out of this.

Speaker 12 (57:22):
They do quite a good job of protecting their assets
and hiding it. Police often know who the people are,
but often are constrained by you know, by the law
in terms of what they could do. My view has
just given them the powers necessary to go really hard
and learn from what happened with regard to meth embetterment

(57:42):
and the amount of money the gangs made. As mentioned,
if federal is coming to the country, and I'm not
convinced that it's because of the amount of money the
gangs are making out of myth em betterment and the
distribution networks and the international supplies they've got all sorted
out that if it is, and we see it at festivals,
then we will see deaths of that. There is no doubt.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
So as a former Minister of Police who has been
across the criminal side of jug abuse. Is the carnage
of uppers like myth namin something to be worried about
more than the you know, the carnage from downers.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Like opioids like heroin and fentanyl.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
I mean, obviously there's personal tragedies in both, but I'm
talking about the carnage for the wide of community that
we see from mithan fetamine abuse.

Speaker 12 (58:24):
Now there are both bring their own level of carnage
and destroy lives, Detroit families, Detroit communities. And I was,
I was in San Francisco recently, and you know, I
used to love going to that place. I felt safe
for New York and ID in San Francisco. You know,
the opioid epidemic in the States is horrendous. And when
I see President Trump going after these drug runners, you know,

(58:47):
I actually back that stance. It is a real problem
in the States in a way that I don't think
we're aware. You know, all we see on the news
is is the US Coast Guard or the Navy going
after these boats that are that are running drugs from
I think predominantly Columbia. But it is a you know,
if anyone hasn't been to the United State so or

(59:08):
hasn't seen the images of the carnas, this is creating
across North America. Then go online and you'll find it.
Because there are more people that die every year, I
believe from fentanyl red doses. Now, these are the people
who die let alone, and we're addicted to this thing
than died in the Vietnam War. I think I've got
that stat right. If I haven't, it's pretty stark anyway.
So Americans are dying by the thousands from a from

(59:30):
federal overdoses and methan phetamine is you know, it's a
problem in Middle America. Of that, there's no doubt. But
like I said, I haven't heard of ventinyl coming into
this country. When I got back from the States, I
bought about fifteen Time magazines. It was the first time
that Time magazine had ever devoted a single issue to

(59:51):
one issue, and it was the fentanyl and the opioid issue.
And I gave this to the police and my colleagues
and said, we've got to have a strategy in place
in case we see fenton in this country, even if
it's in the bottom draw, as soon as we see it,
we've got to pull it out and be ready for it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yep, Stuart, really good to get your thoughts on That
is Stuart Nash, former Minister of Police, who actually drafted
an action plan when it came to fentanyl.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
In twenty twenty three, seventy two thousand, seven hundred and
sixty people in the United States died from overdoses involving
synthetic opiids opioids such as fentanyl.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Yeah, they cannot establish a foothold year there you go. Yeah,
but what do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty, So we're pumping an extra thirty million dollars
into battling methamphetamine. Do we need to get serious about
the likes of fentanyl? And what are you seeing on
the ground? Really can get your views? Nine two nine
two is the number, Stuart Nashe Yeah, you can keep

(01:00:48):
it clean, good man.

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Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
Rayleen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
So we are talking about the investment in the fight
against Metham fetter Me, but we've also asked the question
should we be preparing for fentanyl that is ravaging many
parts of the world. And just on fintanyl, if you
have ever tried it overseas, I'd love to hear from
you the no judgment. Obviously I had one hundred eighty
ten eighty. How easy was it to get a hold

(01:02:35):
of Obviously it was and can be prescribed to patients
over in America. And if you've been to places in
Canada we have seen the finifold or the United States.
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
number to call?

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Or if you've tried fintanyl like I have. And when
I say try, it was injected into my veins during
some kind of procedure. Yeah, what procedure was that one
it was for It was either going up the back
or down the throat. I can't remember which one it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Was, right anyway, it was good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Yeah, just because it's really interesting to hear people's experiences
of it, because you can totally see how the felon
folding happens, because you would give up a lot to
feel as good as you do on And just before
we continue on a side note for future reference on
the show around this is around a bunch of texts
we beginning. We don't support a participate in cancel culture
in any way. We will talk to whoever we feel like.

(01:03:26):
You can cancel whoever you want, but I personally don't have.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
To follow anyone's rules. Again nicely said, So don't tell
me who I can can't talk to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Boom.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
We saw your teas and we don't care exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Yeah, the sexus is I live in a Salvation Army
social housing community. You're more likely to be picking a
drunk or stoner up in the car park rather than
facing a potential attack from one of these crackheads, both
of which happen. They are very different types of drugs.
One type is lethal to the years that the other
is potentially lethal to the junkie and innocent people. Yeah,

(01:03:57):
that was the sort of the point I was trying
to make, because whilst it's horrible to see someone destroy
their life folded over with fentanyl or any of these opioids,
there's not so much run around attacking other people. Yeah,
that's wide a social cost, because I don't know that
for a fact, that that's my perception of it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Yeah, I mean, it certainly destroys the life of the
people taking it in their families. But I think you're
right when you look at methamphetamine and the anger and
craziness that some people can be when they're on it,
it's a fair point. Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? Good afternoon caller, Carrie.
How are you?

Speaker 20 (01:04:33):
I'm very good?

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
How are you very good? Thank you for calling? Your
thoughts my thoughts?

Speaker 21 (01:04:39):
Okay, So I'm just ring laying back.

Speaker 14 (01:04:41):
So I had to have an ambulance called a few
months ago. When I was in the ambulance at the time,
I didn't realize had a pneumonia. So they were doing
all my obbos and stuff and need ambulance and then
they said, lot, we'll give you some pain release, and
they all of a sudden said they were going to
give me fentanyl, showed it away and say hang on,
hang on a two bad things and they assured me
every takes that on the fine, we're going to give

(01:05:02):
some fence and all my.

Speaker 22 (01:05:03):
Partner was there and they said, hey, no, no, we
do is not wright, So I questioned it.

Speaker 21 (01:05:08):
I in the end, yes, they gave it to me.

Speaker 23 (01:05:10):
Was the worst experience I've ever had.

Speaker 21 (01:05:11):
They gave me ten miles injected the fenel one to me,
oh my god, just from from a medical perspective, they said, it's.

Speaker 22 (01:05:18):
Fine, there's no harm.

Speaker 24 (01:05:20):
I tell you what.

Speaker 22 (01:05:21):
For two weeks later, so after.

Speaker 21 (01:05:23):
Effects of the sentinel was absolutely horrendous.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
So what kind of affects did you experienced, Garry?

Speaker 10 (01:05:29):
What? What?

Speaker 22 (01:05:30):
So it was almost like arming. I'm going to say
comdowns off drug. That's how bad it was for.

Speaker 21 (01:05:36):
Shak's nauser hot hole blushes.

Speaker 22 (01:05:41):
I saw about a week. I felt like I was tired.

Speaker 21 (01:05:46):
Yeah, it was absolutely My consent is the ambulance officers
are actually they have it on board and they will
give it a well you can ask for more.

Speaker 22 (01:05:54):
As I said, I was very reluctant.

Speaker 21 (01:05:55):
And wanted after they say, look it's fine, it's just
ten miles, it's going to be fine.

Speaker 25 (01:05:59):
It's going to help you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Did you talk to anyone after Carrie?

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Did you talk to anything anyone about these you know,
side effects after effects?

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Did they give you an explanation?

Speaker 22 (01:06:11):
So I went to my doctor afterwards and explained to her, Now,
so you just put it down to okay, something like
bringing your body so your body stopped.

Speaker 9 (01:06:18):
So they just kind of.

Speaker 21 (01:06:19):
Faked it off as it stuff like an unknow and
drug and it just called it sometimes but nothing was
done because you find now and you're fine my concerns.

Speaker 19 (01:06:28):
I wasn't fine.

Speaker 22 (01:06:29):
It took a few weeks so years, that's freely people
on pain on an ambulance.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
How did you feel?

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
How did you feel when you were when when the
fentanyl was in your system, you know, when it was
doing its pain relief.

Speaker 22 (01:06:41):
Do you know what when I suppose with them five
seconds of them giving it to me, I felt like
my arms were swaying and my head was doing red
movements that I felt like my mouth was talking but
nothing was coming out. Well, I actually thought I was
not in control of my body.

Speaker 19 (01:06:57):
Wow, that's how I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Set It's interesting that these sort of these strokes have
massively different effects on different people. But you know, like say,
if you're given a fentanyl by you know, ambulance officers
and then mon shuring you, it's obviously very different than
someone taking it on the street.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
But that's very interesting. Hey, thank you for sharing that
with us, Terry. Yeah, you didn't get any of those
sort of crazy side effects.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
What I got was massive youphoria, absolutely intense euphoria Whilst
I was on it, and then when I was home
on the couch when it wore off, absolutely dropped off
a cliff misery, right, just sitting there, just feeling like
the world was just the most terrible place. So my
experience of it was thinking and what I took was

(01:07:38):
fentonel on a bunch of other stuff. When you went
through what it was, when I say tock, it was
given to me for a procedure, yeah, yeah, all legitimately
it was injected into my bloodstream. You know, I didn't
really know what I was getting at the time until
I looked at what it was afterwards. But I just
thought about it, this is the highest and the most
euphoric experience of my life, followed by just absolute misery.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
So I was thinking about those people on the street.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
So you know, you're taking this drug, and if you
get it, you can feel like the world is so
good that you can just stand on the street fold
it over like zombie. But once you're off it, you'll
feel terrible. So surely and you look around and go,
I've just been standing on the street like an absolute
loser for hours.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Just fold it over.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Yeah, but you know, if you take some more, you're
going to be back on this high. You know, those
are the drugs that cause a lot of problems because
they become the cause and the solution to all your problems.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Yeah, that is a dangerous drug. Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten to eighty if you have had it during
a medical procedure in New Zealand, love to hear your
thoughts to you. If you've tried it overseas, obviously we
can hear from you. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? It is caught to
to tree. I'll just work out.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
I'm going to read this text from trash but it
made me life laugh, so i'll i'll maybe sense of
that and read that out next.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
They'd be for a good afternoon to you. So we
are talking about fince andel. It's on the back of
thirty million bucks going into fight methamfitamine. But do we
need to take fentanyl more seriously? And have have you
been on it, whether it's a medical procedure or you've
been prescribed it. Love to hear from you. What is it, like,
how dangerous could it be if it gets a foothold
in New Zealands. This text to Trish says, Hi, guys,

(01:09:20):
I had it up one end and down the other two.
That fintanel is lovely from proof. It's a great tax.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
It was put a lot better than that. But you know,
I thought, I thought, you know, I'm just going to
sense something one day back from holiday, so I've got
to be on my best.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Baby.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
I was recently in hospital for a colonoscopy and given fentanyl.
I definitely can't say that I wanted more. I have
a whole section of the time between the end of
the procedure and speaking to the doctor and being transported
to the recovery area that's missing from my memory. Though
it took about a week for me to feel normal
after the procedure, I was constantly feeling woozy and tired.
When my son was recently working in North Carolina, he
came across someone doing the fence he fold while driving

(01:10:00):
down the street of a small town in America. Yes,
so it's hurt everywhere, but yes, interesting. Those kind of
opioid style drugs effect people in different different ways. But
there's certainly. I think a lot of people have experienced
that thing. When you come out of a procedure and
you're the chattiest person in the world. You think you're
the funniest person in the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
World, and then you have to come down and all
the professionals.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Are like everyone comes out here talking this stuff feeling
like they're amazing. Steve, welcome to show.

Speaker 8 (01:10:29):
Yeah, good advice here, very good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
See you're on fentanel at the moment, mate, Well, not
right now.

Speaker 19 (01:10:35):
I.

Speaker 9 (01:10:36):
Am.

Speaker 19 (01:10:36):
I am. Yeah, I'm on permanent ventaal patches because of
my cancer. I started on twelve point five megs. I'm
out to twenty five. I'm just about needy to go
up to the next dose because it's not working that well.

Speaker 18 (01:10:50):
Now.

Speaker 19 (01:10:50):
I changed my patch every three days and I absolutely
hate it. I'm middle of the night, I'm much sweaty.
I've got to have showers two or three o'clock in
the morning. If I don't change my patch within the
space of a easy three days, within an hour or so,
head starts pounding. It's just I'll tell you what. I

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absolutely hated. I wish I never got on to it,
but I had a choice between that and staying on
oxycodon and stuff which actually made me paranoid and and
this stuff. And I'll tell you what, if you ever
want to go on it, stay away from it. I
absolutely hate it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
Does it Does it bring you relief when when when
the pictures patches are working?

Speaker 19 (01:11:34):
Oh it does absolutely absolutely, But it's a false relief
that still in pain. But it's it takes that high
edge off. It just keeps me in a My head's
not always spinning. But we get to that stage where
I'm just sort of burr and I sleep, and I
fall asleep every couple of hours for half an hour

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or so, and I wake up and I'm good. Two
hours later, I'm back to sleep again, you know. And
it's just functioning as a mission. And it constipates you.
You know, you appetite goes down the window. You just
cure you what guys?

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Yeah, that's that sounds like that sounds like such an
incredibly challenging situation you're in, Steve, so you know, best
witches to you and and and stuff. But does it
what does it do with your mood at all?

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Does it does? Does does it?

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Does it bring a level levity when you when you're
you know, first putting a new patch on at all.

Speaker 19 (01:12:33):
Ye, yeah, absolutely, From the first of a half hour,
that goes, oh this is good, you know, for about
half an hour, and then all of a sudden it
drops again. And yeah, it's just a sudden drop from
half an hour. Can almost time it, you know, And
I've got to have a sugar rush before I have
it to kind of keep me functioning, you know. And

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that Yeah, it peaks and flows, you know what I mean,
It's peaks and dips all the time. It's just I
don't see how people get any pleasure out of it.

Speaker 16 (01:13:06):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:13:06):
I used to do hard drugs years and this is
nothing like it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
What kind of hard drugs were you doing years ago?
Were they ups and downers, both, all them, a whole lot,
you name it.

Speaker 19 (01:13:19):
I don't even think. I don't even think pretty much.
Are bar meth? You know, back in the daylight. I'm
sixty two years old, you can they help. But it
was back seventies and eighties, you know, the eighties and nineties,
you know, going to festivals and sweet Waters and the
lights of all the good concerts over the years. To
imagine what it was like. Yeah, yeah, it's a different euphoria.

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But now it's just it's a false euphoria.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Yeah, I'm not sorry to hear that, Steve. And as
I said before, absolutely all the best thoughts go out
to you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Yeah, absolutely, thank you very much. Oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call your fentanel experiences.
We're going to play some messages, but begged very surely
it's eight to three, the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Issues that affect you and a bit of fun along
the way. Mad Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
News Talks here, b We're going to carry this on
because we've got a whole bunch of people who want
to have a chat about their experiences when it comes
to fentanyl. But a few texts to the News.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
I've had fincannyl after surgery, says Kim several times and
no issues. Also had kidamine at the same time. I
have no desire to continue. I have a knee surgery
coming up and we'll have the same I can't take
tramadol or morphine.

Speaker 19 (01:14:30):
That.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Yeah, traveadol was an interesting one.

Speaker 11 (01:14:32):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
I've talked four on the show about how I had
was on tramidol for a very long time, and they
became addicted to it and it was difficult to get off.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
It's pretty good stuff, this one. It's no doubt about
it telling what it's good stuff until you've got to
stop taking it.

Speaker 15 (01:14:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Yeah, that didn't sound like a good experience, that last part.
This is good ticks here. I was giving FINITL when
I set my arm in a small New Zealand hospital
where there was no anesthesia. It was the most distressing
episode ever. I thought I was dying never ever again.
That's from Ross, so very different experiences here. Right, We're
going to carry this on because so many people want

(01:15:06):
to have a chat and keen on your experiences. Oh
hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you want to send
a text, you more than welcome. Nine two ninety two.
We'll get to a few more of those very shortly.
But new Sport and weather is fast approaching. Really good
to have your company is always hope you're having a
good Monday afternoon. Say right here, you're listening to matt
and Tyler will be back very surely.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Your new home are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sevvy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the program at
six past three. So we've carried on our discussion about
fentanyl because we had full boards and so many people
texting through A nine two ninety two. The conversation started
on the back of the thirty million dollar investment to
fight methamphetamine, but more and more people are coming through
on the dangers of something like fentanyl and the reaction

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they've had when they were prescribed or given fentanyl in
the hospital.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
Yes, so look it up online if if you're interested.
The Fenti folding, that's a rife and the likes of
Vancouver in Canada, and San Francisco and parts of California
as well, you know, other parts of California.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
It's it's horrible to see.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
These these fentanyl addicts just bent over. There's there's an
our boss, Will was telling us about an advertising campaign
that he saw in Canada, which was what was that
was don't get bent for the fence.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Yeah, that was a PSA from the government, which is
a nice line.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
But because you just folded and half standing, you've got
to see it. These people are on their feet, but
they just can't even bring themselves to stand up straight,
so they just stand. It's the most terrifying thing. It's
it's like the Day of the Triffids or something. It's
like it's a dystopian future where people are just just
standing there, the humans, but they're just more like plant life.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Yeah, it is like out of a horror movie, no
doubt about it. But I won't if they won't hassle you,
they won't do anything to you. You can walk through them.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
And there's tourists going down for have a lot, which
is which is horrific when you get a situation where
humans are just becoming so so just you know, disconnected
from reality that they're just standing there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
They don't even care if you come and look at them. Yeah,
it's like a black mirror episode, isn't it. Oh eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've been prescribed
or I had fentanyl, I had to go for you,
and are you're worried about it taking hold?

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
Here in New Zealand, the Stick says my father had
FENTONYL mixed with oxy after his bypass surgery. He was
incredibly high all the time. An HDU nurse called me
earlier early one morning and said he was demanding to
talk to me. The first thing he asked me was
whether he was alive or dead. I had to convince
him for a while that he wasn't dead.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
It was horrible.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
He couldn't remember anything really after he went off it.
It took him weeks to get back to normal.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Well, if you have to convince someone that's still alive,
I mean, that's quite full noise.

Speaker 25 (01:17:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
Well, I was talking to someone who had had a
kidamine experience and he told me he didn't know if
he was walking up or downstairs. So if you're if
you're walking downstairs or upstairs and you can't tell the
difference between up or downstairs, Yeah, that's a disconnection from
reality and a recipeed to fall down some stairs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Yeah, absolutely, or fall up stairs.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
It's always better to fall upstairs than downstairs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Yeah, nicely said that's your PSA. Bruce. You want to
have a chat about your wife's experience in Canada.

Speaker 25 (01:18:20):
Yeah, she was maybe there on horribly with one of
her girlfriends, and she went to one part of Vancouver
and when she came home, she told me she'd seen
these people that were drugged out.

Speaker 19 (01:18:30):
You know.

Speaker 25 (01:18:30):
I said, what do you mean.

Speaker 16 (01:18:31):
She goes, oh, the ben home and I said, now,
are you kidding me?

Speaker 25 (01:18:34):
And she goes, no, no, seriously.

Speaker 16 (01:18:36):
She showed me some photos of people she'd seen and
they were doubled over walking along the street with the
head towards the ground, and I was going, it doesn't
look right. But she said, there's a huge problem in Vancouver,
as you've already said on air, with fentanyl, not just
the US, and it's if that comes here, will be
in the same boat basically. So I think we need

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the government needs to fight the possibility of fentanyl coming
in here as well as the other drugs that are
on a fight as well.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
Yeah, it's interesting. You know, we were talking to former
Police Minister Stuart Nash before and he was saying that
the cash incentives for the exams, for the exams for
the the My son just finished his exams, so they've
got that in my head.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
He texted me anyway, Congress, by the way, for the
gangs exams.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Gangs isn't quite the same here at the moment because
we're the second most valuable market for meth and fetamine
in the world. Bruce, the world just just think it's
like a premium place to bring it in. It's worth
so much risk because we'll pay such an insane amount
of money for it. Not not not the way with fentanyl,
but but but we don't we don't want want it here,

(01:19:45):
you know, And it feels I'm not sure what the
stats are, but you know, back in the day, I
grew up in Dunedin and heroin addiction used to be
a really serious thing down there. But I feel like
heroin addictions on on the way, so it would be
it would be a punish of where that Canadian situation
came here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Thank you so much for your Bruce, appreciate it. It
does worry me, and I know this is where it
kicked off this conversation, but with myth amphetamine and I
think you were coming back from the UK and obviously
came into this pea crisis, but I was in the
South Island and you know the truth is it didn't
really reach the South Island for for a long time.
So we're kind of looking at it as as you know,

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little old South Island. What's yeah, the myth? What's this
pea business?

Speaker 10 (01:20:26):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
How do you get ahold of this pea? And nobody
could really get a hold of it would probably smoking urine,
you asked yourself exactly. So I was a bit confused
by that being a South Islander, but big of South.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
Island you might not be so confused about it. Just
in by the friends I grew up with Indonneeda.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
University was a good time. But that almost saved a
lot of people. I think that I was hanging around
with a university or they might have experimented with that stuff.
Because so little was known of it that by the
time we figured out it was a massive issue and
quite scary, people left it alone for the most part.
But I worry that the same might happen with fentanel. Right,

(01:21:03):
that's so little is known about it, then unless we
get on top of it, people will just try a
little bit and then boom, you've got the fentifold.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Yeah, don't get bent for As they say in Canada,
John says, hey, boys, I was in Canada last year,
a small city in the middle of Saskatchewan, and I
was blown away by the number of.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Cooked people on the street. I assume it was fentanyl.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Now, I have traveled a lot and been to so
many places in the world, but this was as bad
as I've ever seen it. God help us if we
become like this here cheers John. Canada is becoming known
as the fentanyl capital of the world. You know, it's
known for its beautiful forest, It's incredible landscape. It's trying

(01:21:44):
to punish New Zealand with tariffs whilst getting punished by
America with tariffs. What else I'll tell you what as
a huge Dodgers fan across the world series recently and
what the Dodgers did to the Blue Jays, there might
be some people jumping on the fentanyl to deal with
them the pain of that particular situation.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Yeah, nicely said right. It is thirteen past three, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've had experience with fintanyl,
we want to hear at nine two ninety two. Is
that text number back in the mo the news talk said,
be very good afternoon to you. We're talking about fintanyl
on the back of the investment to fight myth and fetamine.
Do we need to do more about fincinyl O E
one hundred and eighty ten eighty Is that number to call?

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
Tyler Matt Note Vancouver has decriminalized drugs from Doug.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Yep, yeah, yeah, it's a fair point. I mean, that's
why it is such a problem in many parts of Canada.
Why don't we just add one hundred percent tariff on
illegal drugs? That says Sarah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
Now you're thinking, you see the problem with these drug
dealers is that they don't operate. You know, they're not
doing their ID. You know, they just cannot be There's
one thing I know about drug dealers. They cannot be
trusted to do the right thing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
How funny that Alex you had or friends had a
pretty serious situation when it came to finanyl in the US.

Speaker 18 (01:23:00):
Yeah, very good friend of mine from San Diego. He's
in the seventies now he lost the sun as Sam
had an overdose because we're from drugs that were laced
with sentinel. So absolutely broken.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
Well that's that's really rough and sorry to hear that.

Speaker 20 (01:23:17):
To do what what what?

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
What drugs were were laced with fentanyl?

Speaker 18 (01:23:23):
I think it was just coke, right, I think it was.
I think it was cocaine. And that's what they'll do. They'll, they'll, they'll, they'll,
I'll cut it with sentinels and to save products. I mean, yeah,
so that that harm was lying could kill your kids.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
That is so heartbreaking, Alex, so heart break. How old?
How old was his son?

Speaker 18 (01:23:42):
And it's the early twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
So you can see, I mean, the the absolute scourge
of that particular drug in a place like the US.
It's something that you know, we just cannot let take
a foothold in New Zealand.

Speaker 18 (01:23:58):
Absolutely the comments have stamped it out. If they sign
in the in the bottom drawer is absolutely valid.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Yeah, thank you for your call, Alex, Yeah, thank you
very much. Two N two is that text number. I've
just looked up the fenty folding and it's like a
Michael Jackson Thriller video. It's pretty accurate, actually very accurate.
Kind of but uh, they kind of stay in the
second part of the dance.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Yeah, they're kind of like there in the warm down
after the dance the whole time. Yeah, you know, when
you just sort of let it all out.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
I just did you watch that? This is off topic.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
Did you watch that reenactment of the Thriller dance from
the video in Times Square the other day?

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
No, back and watch the Thriller video. Yep, if you
get a chance.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
What a fantastic video that was it's a different era.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Fantastic. Yeah, he was ahead of his time. Michael Jackson, Mike,
how are you? Yeah? Good, thanks, Tyler, how are you
not too bad? Do you want to talk about fentanyl?

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:24:54):
And hi Matt, you're back and better than before.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Oh, thank you. I appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (01:25:01):
Yeah, less hope. So anyway, Yeah, now I just did
a little a quick bit of Google AI research, and
I don't think there's a major risk of ventanyl coming
into New Zealand due to the fact that it's such
a cheap, cheap, cheap, dangerous.

Speaker 15 (01:25:16):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
Yeah, we were just saying that that point before. Yeah,
that that the as we said a couple of town
Stuart Nash was on before saying that, and we were
also saying just that there's not.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
The money in it for the gangs.

Speaker 5 (01:25:26):
Yeah, yeah, So why you know, like I don't know,
in the States, it's like a dollar a pill or
something or five up to five bucks sometimes, And why
is any gangster going to risk a fifteen year jail
sentence to make a to make a I don't know, well, well,
five thousand dollars profit.

Speaker 19 (01:25:42):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
The thing about it, The thing about it, The thing
about it, Mike is the way it gets in there is,
as the previous caller said, if it is cheaper, then
you can sell coke and you can cut fentanyl in there,
so people think that they're getting some of the effects
of it whilst you know, making even more profit because
that's what drug dealers do. They cut it with whatever
they can that's cheaper, so they make more profits.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:26:05):
No, but I mean, no one's going to risk big
jail scense and they're going to risk it for methamphetamine
with all the big money.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
But anyway they might do that. I think they might.
They're doing that right now.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
They're cutting it with MDMA, they're cutting it with cocaine,
so so they're still making their big money, but they're
making more money by putting fentanyl in the mix. And
and you know that fentanyl that can lead to overdoses
and debt.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:26:31):
But the thing with fentanyl is it's not one of
these chemical drugs that you know, some gangsters can mix
up in their garage or a laundry tub. It's manufactured
by pharmaceutical companies. You can't just make it yourself. And
so obviously in the States, the pharmaceutical companies are being unscrupulous.
They know of the dangers, but they're pushing it through

(01:26:51):
the medical systems over there, the doctors and everyone because
they're making money from it. They're profiting, and it's just
going over prescribing, I would say, and it's going out
onto the streets and causing mayhem. So you know, same
old story. Any business wants to make a profit and
some of them can be unscrupulous and look at what's happening.
So yep, that's my point.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
All right, Thank you very much, O, Mike. I appreciate it. Yeah. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call.
Plenty of texts coming through on nine two ninety two
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
I recently broke a rib, loved kidamine and fentanel. Can
see how they could become addictive. Tramadol was terrible, had
crushing depression and hallucinations when I came off it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Yeah, thank you very much for those texts coming through.
We're going to play some messages, but back very shortly.
It is twenty one past three.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call, oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
So here's a text on the fentanal situation. About five
years ago, I had to have an emergency at appendix
removal as I was in Homoro Hospital getting assessed before
going to Dunedin for sugery. They said they were giving
me some pain relief and it ended up being ventanyl. Honestly,
what a feeling. Gave me a small insight into why
my brother who was a drug addict and passed away

(01:28:05):
from an accidental overdose prescription of illegal dry Sorry to
hear that you vaun Chase that feeling for most of
his life. Yeah, but that was my same experience on
fentanyl was it felt so incredible. I could see why
it destroys lives. Because if you're on it and your
life is pretty horrific outside of that and you can

(01:28:27):
feel amazing, you'd be wanting to be feeling amazing, And
especially if you're one of these fenty folders in Canada
or wherever, San Diego, San Francisco. You know, once you're
not on fentanyl, you realize you've just been standing on
the street folded over for an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Your life's not great, is it?

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
You can see why they keep going for you can
feel amazing. How the hell can people think there's no
risk of fentanyl here?

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Yeah, well Mark who rang before he did an AI
search on it, so that's why he thinks that he
just did a simple AI search on it and then
his opinion was made up for him.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
So you need these days, right, Thank you very much
for all your phone calls and texts on that, and
we'll see where we get to on the old fentanyl situation.
Clearly they're pumping a lot of money into methanphetamine, which
is a good thing, but God help us if fentanyl
does take a foothold here in New Zealand. Great discussion, right,
let's get into this one because there's so many texts
already coming through on this. So the story that kicked

(01:29:24):
this off was about the Prime Minister and he needed
some room in his garage. So this is on the
back of the police gifts register, and on that register
was a bike that Christopher Luxe and gifted to one
of his diplomatic protection squad saying it would help him
clear some space in his garage. The officer tried to
be polite and say, look, thank you for the offer,

(01:29:45):
but that's really not needed. But the Prime minister convinced
him to take the bike, which he did, and now
he's got that extra space in his garage. So that's
kicked off the discussion. But it's more about and we
see it day in and day out in various streets
and suburbs around New Zealand, putting things on the berm
for free. That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
So I just recently, well when I say recently, across
the weekend, I was moving house, and you know, there's
there's there's things that fall in the in the middle
ground between going to the dump and and well, it
actually becomes a point in you're shifting where you can't
be bothered selling stuff. You just want to get rid
of it, but you don't want to take it to
the dump.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
So it's so good.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
I had three barstools that I'd pay quite a lot
of money for, but I just couldn't be bothered dealing
with it, I mean shifting for ages, so I put
them on the street with free or a good home.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
That would have been snapped up fast. They went really quickly.

Speaker 12 (01:30:32):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
But what are the rules around that? So we'll just
get to bottom of this. So I think it has
to be something desirable before you can put it on
the burm with free or a good home, and you
have to be honest about it, so it can't be
something that looks good but when they get it home
they find out it was rubbish, because then you're just
unloading the rubbish situation, and you have to be prepared
to take it back off the You know, you put

(01:30:53):
it on the burm, but if it hasn't gone by
by by by I'm going to say five o'clock, right,
maybe seven o'clock. You say seven o'clock, okay, then you
have to take it back inside.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
It's strict twenty four hours.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
You haven't discharged your responsibility on the items with the
free to a good home out on the street. Yeah,
that that hasn't been just your response hasn't been discharged.
You've you've got an offer to.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
The community and if that's not taken, then that that
becomes your responsibility again. If you know what I'm saying. Yep,
I've got another one. And this is probably obvious to
a lot of people. It's got to be outside your place.
You can't drive down the street and just set it
up outside somebody else's home. That's obviously. If I've seen
that happen. I've seen it happen. Oh, you cannot do that. No,
that is because then effectively what you're saying is, I'm
not coming back for that. So no matter what happens,

(01:31:36):
I'm not coming back.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
If you drive down the street with an unrepairable piece
of white war like a dishwasher that doesn't work anymore,
and you put it out in someone's boom for someone
else's boom with a free to go home, you're a
bad person.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Yeah, that's a taser in right. Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. What are
the rules when it comes to putting free staff art
out on the boom? Nine two nine two's that takes number?
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Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Thank you very much, Raylean. So we're talking about putting
free items on the outside of your home if you're
moving or if you've got something that's kind of too
good to take to the dump, but also you can't
be bothered selling it. What are the rules ins and
outs of putting free stuff on your booms. Oh, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Also, what's some really good stuff you've got, because I'm
feeling like I gave some of the greatest deal of
all time with three quite expensive barstools that I put
on the road with free for a good home. They
went at about thirty seconds, and I was thinking, maybe
they're more valuable than I thought they were. I knew
they were valuable, but I was just sick of moving
stuff and I was, I know, couldn't be bothered selling them,
and they just went just like that. So some people
must have got some amazing stuff, just people at the

(01:33:58):
end of a large shift or a large clean out
where they just don't care anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
You've got to be so fast. I mean, if I
saw you post that up on the community page, would
have gotten the truck and drove around there as us
as I could.

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
But that's a totally different thing posting on the community page.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
I've done that before. Yeah, that's totally different.

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
So remaining in your house, just putting them out on
your bern and just to all and sundry, just anyone
that drives past.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
Yeah. O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. What
is the best find that you've got free on the
side of your streets? Sorry you go, I was saying
nine two nine two is the ticks number. Craig's ticked
through tasing me, matt As, that's what I've done, the
old night dump and run. You're a bad man, crag,
You're a very bad man.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
So I mean that is just ingenuous that the night
dump and run is one thing and on and it's
totally terrible thing to do, and you deserve to be tased.
But a piece of rubbish that you don't know work,
that you know does not work, and you put on
the side of the road like a piece of white
where just wash us, say, for example, and you put
fred or a good home on it and you know
it doesn't work. So you're making that someone else's problem. Yeah,

(01:35:04):
that's low.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Yeah, I've got to say I got stitched up with
one of those. There was two things that I've picked
up in Auckland. One was an ottoman on the side
of the road, beautiful ottoman. Loved that. And the other
was a chair that I picked out near titt Dungy
just randomly. I was walking the dogs with a chair
on the side of the road. It was like one
of those antique almost rocking chair style things, and then
chuck that in the back got at home may have
said what the hell are you doing bringing that thing

(01:35:26):
into the house, But it turned out the springs were buggered,
so when I went to sit on it, I'm like,
you dirty bugger. I've driven there all the way from
Tide Dungy. I felt really ripped off. Scareer, be weird. Yeah, Mags,
welcome the show.

Speaker 26 (01:35:39):
Yeah, Hi, just a funny thing that happened to my
husband and I. We just moved into a new place,
and we didn't sort of pack up and get rid
of a lot of this stuff before we left. Anyway,
when we finally sort of got settled down, I had
a really nice sun chair, you know, like, you know,
would you lay down on And I said, oh no,
we don't need this. So we sort of looked like

(01:36:00):
an aparkun country type of place. And outside our place
was a roundabout and it was all grass. So I said,
I lift was just leave it there, which we did do,
and I said, and we were on the way out,
you know, going to town, and I said, we'll just
leave it there and we got a little bit away
from there sit down the road, and I thought, oh,
BOW must forgotten my handbag, so I went back again.

(01:36:24):
We went back again and there was a van picking
up the chair and I went over to say to
say hello to him, just to have a joke, and
he says, well, you can bloody well move off. He says,
I was here first.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
That is great bags.

Speaker 26 (01:36:44):
So I thought, oh, this could be a bit of
a fight here, but it was all right, we're all
happy around. But it was like immediately there was somebody
there popping it in the van and he told told
me to get lost because he was there first.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Yeah you go.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
I mean, if it's on a boom, is it good
to go? Does it need to be on a burm
with a sign? I wouldn't even just grab something. That's
that's hard to know because someone's moving house and they
just put something on the boom where they're waiting moving
the truck ground or reversing the truck, and you go,
that's good to go. It's got to have the free
to free or free to a good home thing hanging
off it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Maybe there's why I went wrong with the chair, because
there was no sign on the chair. So maybe they
were just getting it out ready to take to the dump,
and I did them a favor.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
The sticks said, someone dumped the fridge outside our place once,
so I put a sign on it saying free goes.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
Well it was gone in thirty minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
You bad, bad, evil, evil person, especially a fridge, because
moving a fridge is such an absolute wound.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
Yep, you've got to hire a trailer usually unless you've
got a utes to be able to take it back.

Speaker 18 (01:37:42):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
Those poor people when they plugged it, and they would
have got it into the kitchen ready to go and
then realized it's absolute junk.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
I hope you've done a lot of good stuff in
your life. Ratherwise, you've got a calmer bill to pay.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
Welcome to the show, Yes.

Speaker 27 (01:37:57):
Today putting stuff out on the streets free, My first
option would be ringing the nearest topic tunity show.

Speaker 17 (01:38:08):
Yeah, generals come and to things up.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
Sometimes I have done that.

Speaker 27 (01:38:16):
My wife and I have done that several times because
we're decoffing an old house stuff that the shop love
it so some of them.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Sometimes the op stop is absolutely overrun with stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
You don't think it's a legitimate You don't think it's
a legitimate thing, noel to put it on the road
with a free to a good home.

Speaker 27 (01:38:35):
But I have done that free to be a good home.
Generally it does go.

Speaker 5 (01:38:39):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 27 (01:38:41):
Op shops and what could any benef on you have
of that?

Speaker 24 (01:38:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
No, that's that's that's that's fair. That's fair.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
If you bring them up and say do you want
to have three bar stools, you can come and get
them in the yours?

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Yeah, good on your know, yep, fair enough to wait.
One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
What are the rules if you put free stuff on
the boom? Love to hear your thoughts? Nine two nine
to two if you want to see the text. So
what's the best thing you actually picked up for free
on the side of the road. Really keen to hear
about your your fine? You're gott to be so quick
for that, And I know it's very different, but the
people we put stuff up on the old community pages,

(01:39:14):
that stuff goes within seconds. This is an interesting point.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
If you're good at fixing things, then you'll get this
business is washing machines that side of road. If you're
good at fixing things, good to go, So you know
if you back yourself. You've driven around, you see a
washing machine, you back yourself to fix it.

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Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
That's brilliant, Thank you very much, Julie Sai'd be so
back to the discussion we've been having about the rules
of putting free things outside of your house for anyone
to come and pick up. I wait, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 15 (01:41:44):
This?

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Is this this text? Maybe laugh even though it's tragic.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
I lost a lawnmower when I left on the grass
verge while I went inside to get a glass of water. No,
what that's that's dishonest. Someone that comes across a lawnmower
on a grass verge and it doesn't have a free
to a good homes that's just theft.

Speaker 19 (01:42:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Well, if there's nobody around, I'd consider if I drove
fast and just saw a lawn mower. No, XL wouldn't
because the lawns would have been half done and he
would have been getting a glass of water.

Speaker 3 (01:42:10):
Yeah, you don't have to be sure, Like I'm still
understand that this person is still knowing that the burm
way how much is remaining?

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
Oh, you poor bugger. You should have called the police
at bad stage. Oh there's a great ditch though, Amy,
How are you?

Speaker 15 (01:42:24):
I'm good?

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
How are you good? You've got a great story.

Speaker 29 (01:42:28):
Oh god, it was actually really bad. I was having
in the UK my early twenties in a big flat
here and people coming and out and they're traveling around
Europe and stuff, and we actually ended up getting bad bugs.
And so when we told the landlord, he said, look,
I'll be around in a moment. I'll just pop them
out in front of them to leave them against the

(01:42:48):
mattresses against the house, and I'll I'll.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Come and where this is going.

Speaker 29 (01:42:52):
And he came to take the moune knock from the
joor and he said, where are the mattresses compating to
the dump? And we went well, they were just leading
up against the house and he went out and they
had it.

Speaker 23 (01:43:01):
They weren't.

Speaker 29 (01:43:05):
And they were like full of bad bugs. I felt
so sorry for the But that's the thing that it
doesn't have a freedom.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
On it exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
See.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
I think I think those people might have got what
they deserved because you're just grabbing something.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Yeah, So you know, it's a good point. The more
you talking about the sign, the more I think it
is vital weekly. You need a sign.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
Bid bugs hard to get rid of those people might
have been plagued, but bid bugs for for years to come.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
That is a great story. Yeah, thank you very much, Amy, Marie.

Speaker 12 (01:43:38):
How are you.

Speaker 15 (01:43:39):
I'm fine, Thank you. Just putting things out on the
boom doesn't always work on the same as that guy
that went to get the drink of water. I was
mowing the boom and I went to empty the catcher,
which is down the side of the garage. And when
I came back, the sky was just picking the law
my run and he saw me with the ketcher walking

(01:44:03):
towards him. He said, it's the shore.

Speaker 20 (01:44:04):
So's the year.

Speaker 16 (01:44:05):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
The saciousious because I think you would put a lawnmarer
in a different sort of position. You wouldn't have it
in the position if it's going to be going and
it's free to a good home. It doesn't sit on
the lawn like that with grass and the catcher still
being operational.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Thank you for your call, Mariy. Yeah, thank you very much.
So there's a rising time. It's rife in our community,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
People grabbing lawnmowers and pretending like they think that they're
free to a good home.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
I think at that point you're right, they're just straight
up theft.

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
This is the same type of person that would see
lawn outdoor furniture in the front of someone's yard and
they've put them in the yard.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
They're free to a good game. It's close enough to
the street. I'll take that. Phil. You've got a situation
with a bike.

Speaker 19 (01:44:51):
Oh yeah, you get a boys, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
You're good?

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
Excellent exit.

Speaker 24 (01:44:55):
I did have here somebody There was a child's bike
dumped out, was just outside my place here in christ Church,
and I left it there for a couple of days,
just thinking that it might have been a kid, know
that's just dumped it for whatever reason. It's going to
come back and pick it up in that But no
one showed up. So I held on to it and
I got on Facebook and I took a photo and said,

(01:45:17):
anybody missing this bike is at my place. Waited for
a week. Didn't get any replies apart from a mate
who was going to fix it up and take it
away himself. But he didn't. He didn't in the end,
But so I rang up here in christ it's a
place that recycles bikes, you know, old bikes and fix
them up and fixes them up and that for free

(01:45:39):
and that. So they were quite happy. I talk it
down there and they were happy to grab it. And yeah,
so hopefully some child or family you know, got a
good bike that they could afford because they that's the
whole thing was with their charity. I'm not sure it
was chatty, but the whole thing was they fixed the
bikes up, you know, so they cost a lot less
than him to go and buy a brand new bike.

(01:46:00):
So maybe a family and the low income can afford it.
So that's what I've done with that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
It's a nice thing to do. Yeah, that is great.
I mean, look, if you can repurpose it to go
to a charity, well done, John, How are you?

Speaker 20 (01:46:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 30 (01:46:13):
You know I had a fridge and freezer that I
didn't need to I'll put it out on the front.
By the time I went out, I wasn't sure if
I was going to dump it or make a sign
or whatever. So I wanted and I thought, well, I
heard a car pull up, and I thought I went
out and had look, it was gone already. But by
the time I walked inside, it was gone.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
No sign needed, John. Someone was ready to.

Speaker 30 (01:46:34):
Go, that's just the first problem. The biggest problem I
have with it is they must have either not had
enough room or something like that. But they dumped off
a rusty.

Speaker 31 (01:46:43):
Old barbecue and a box of other old rubbish, and
and they were just scattered everywhere. And the barbecue was
an old fishing line kind of think of that. All
that all dragged down the road of the fish shops
on it. So to pull all of that up the
cats that didn't get it, and I had all this

(01:47:03):
really messy, horrible, rusty rubbish falling apart that I then
had to dump.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
But that is some terribley behavior on them. So clearly
they picked up this track on another street then was
swung by John's Street. Well what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
They're driving to the dump and they go, well, I
want this fridge freezer, but I don't have space for it,
so dump that's not on No, a terrible crime that
was committed against me. I had this nice mountain bike
that I thought, you know, my kid had got too
big for it. So I was like, this mountain bike
would be make a kid happy, right, So I put
it on the street free to good home. The bike
went and the person had just dumped the free to

(01:47:37):
good home sign on the ground with a bike. Oss,
I think that you've got if you're taking a free bike,
and this bike was probably worth five hundred bucks at
the time. It's a free at least have the decency
to take the sign with you and put that in
the Rabbish.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
You can't just take the bike and dump the sign
because it's doing you were doing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
I wanted to get a taser and follow head out
on the streets and try and find that person on
that bike and taser them for that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
There's some bad people out there, right O one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We'll
have a chat to Dean get eighteen. You've got a
fridge story as well.

Speaker 23 (01:48:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, put a fridge out on boom and
had free on a sign. No one took this reach.
It didn't look wrong, but no one took it. So
we took away the free sign, put one hundred dollars
on it and got stolen.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
That's smart. That is a good strategy. That is a
good strategy that played out well for you.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
You know that one before we said the mattress with
bid bugs. Spison said, haha, I grabbed a mattress that
was leaning up against a leading up against the wall
and got big bugs. Oh but this was in London, Okay,
so was that previous story?

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
Wasn't in London though, was it?

Speaker 19 (01:48:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
We're going to have to write it back. We might
have found the victim of the old big big bugs.
I mean, are they a victim if they took it
without a sign?

Speaker 5 (01:48:47):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
No, yes, your fault, buddy, were a receiver of karma.
I think we got time for Derrek before we got
to play some messages.

Speaker 8 (01:48:55):
MATEA oh guys, look, I just want to follow up
on our mower, the one about the mower and mate,
and we're driving along in an Auckland suburb and we
saw a moron street sorry on the burm and I said,
I think it's been left out, So I pulled over
and he ran across and pulled it over, pulled it

(01:49:16):
back and just about to put it in the back
of the car, and the guy yelled out and he
said what are you doing? And I said, oh, just
grabbing the mow then, and he s just spent the
toilet and it came back and the ending was that
there was rubbish right along as an organic collection. And
there was just poles of rubbish everywhere, and we just
thought the mo was ononder them.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
Whether yeah, that's almost fair enough? Almost well yeah, because
that's that blurs the line.

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
If there's an organic on an organic sign kind of
blurs the line with whether you need to look for
the free for free to a good home sign. I
think before you grab something free, you can't grab it. Yes,
it's got the free and initiate it's an organic season,
then it's free for.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
All power tools outside the outside at someone's house. If
they don't have a sign on them, chances are they
being utilized right then and there.

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
If there's an organic sign, be very careful what you
leave on your boom.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
I'd say exactly one hundred eighty ten eaties a number
call back in a mow. It is nine minutes before the.

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Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
Used talk said, be very good afternoon, Jiar. We've been
talking about free stuff on the booms outside of your house.
What are the rules? Couple of texts to wrap it
all up. Getay, guys, I had my good barbecue beside
the corner of the house and came home and found
it was gone. Check with the wife who said the
inorganic collection was today. That's sucks the sixty seth cura.

Speaker 3 (01:50:41):
I was vacuuming the house, put the two big rugs
over the front one point high fence to get air
and sunlight. Finished the cleaning, went back and they were gone.
Brassed me off. Cheers Eddie, Sorry about Eddie. That's why
I going back. If it hasn't got free to a
good home or free on it, and then it's just
someone hearing their rug over the fence again exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
That is thieft at that point. This one years ago,
I found a cool old motorbike parked along rubbish out
for collection. I shot home, got my trailer, chucked it on,
proceeded to go to work where the sharp work mate
found a current rejo plate bent up under the sea. Whoops.
Realizing what I had done, I phone Newlyn police station
to report my fine. They trecked down the owner, who
phoned me and later came around to grab it back.
He was very understanding my bed.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
So before we had that person who's who had a
mattress and put it out on the street in the
UK yep, and had bed bugs. And the landlord was
coming around to get it because they had big bugs
to get rid of it. And then someone took it
because they thought it was free from a good home,
right and so. And then we had someone here that
messaged in before saying that they grabbed a mattress in

(01:51:43):
London yep, and it had bed bugs on it. Yeah,
and there wasn't a free good home. Do you think
what are the chances that those two things are mixed?

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Sounds highly likely. I mean, how many people won take
old mattresses on the street in London that have bed
bugs in them and two put them out and they've
got beer bugs on them. I mean that's too uncanny. Yeah,
I think we've figured it out.

Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
It just speaks to the vastness of Matt and Tyler
Afternoon's listenership, doesn't it.

Speaker 19 (01:52:06):
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Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
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sing everyone. I love the chat today. It's been a
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