Full Show Podcast: 11 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Hello you, Great New Zealands. Welcome to Matt and Tyler
Full Show, Podcast number two, forty fourth Tuesday, the eleventh
of number twenty twenty five. Deep conversation about billionaires. We
went philosophical hard and then we somehow just descended into
a listing animals that people head on the farms, like
some kind of Noah's Ark situation.

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Speaker 3 (00:55):
Kid Ey, you welcome into Tuesday show. Really good of
your company is always hope you're having a pretty good
day if you're listening in this beautiful country of ours.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Can I Matt again A Tyler got a great New Zealanders.
I'm a ranked with racked with anxiet at the moment right,
absolutely rap with anxiety because I'm running the Queenstown Marathon
on Saturday. That's bag yep, So that's forty two k,
and I've been moving house. I've been involved in this
other secret endeavor and I've and I've failed to be

(01:28):
doing the requisite training.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
I can see why you know that anxiety is starting
to build because you've dedicated a lot of this year
to training for this particular marathon.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
And I had to schedule building up to the marathon
where I was doing longer and longer runs. I did
some half marathons, but this weekend I was supposed to
do my final thirty five k run, right and I
couldn't because I was moving house.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
So in fact I haven't hadn't. I haven't really done
a run in about two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
You've had a lot going on. But as we talked
about last night, mate, maybe this will play into your advantage.
I know nothing about running, so anyone who knows anything
about running, they'll probably say shut up, Tyler, but maybe
give you legs a break for two weeks might actually
play playing to what you're doing here.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Has there any running expects out there nine two nine two.
Is that a good idea to just, due to a
life precious give up your training right at the last
hurdle before the marathon?

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Come on, because I could have rolled an ankle or something.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
True. Maybe this will be the making of me.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
That does happen quite a bit. I think for runners, one.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Thing's for sure. My legs will have to fall off
before I don't finish this marathon.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I'm just going to keep going and going. Hopefully there's
not a Paula Redcliffe situation. But apart from that, nothing's
going to stop me.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
You've registered under your your actual name, haven't you.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yep? Someone says, who cares? Matt, what a horrible thing
to text?

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Come you?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Text of that ends in five seven two. You are
a better person that you don't even care that someone's
just sharing their life story around running a marathon on
the weekend. Who cares?

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Secretly?

Speaker 2 (02:58):
You sad? Sad, small small person.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Well, secretly they do care quite a bit, because they
care enough to text that through and they're listening to
our show. So you know you can say you don't care.
You know you you love this.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I'm going to be thinking about the small minded, sad
person when I'm running as I achieved great things, like
I'll be thinking about how pathetic that texture is on
seven too, is man? You Come on, mate, you all
care about what other people are up to. We enjoy
the stories of other people's lives.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Just be a bit nicer. Come on, it's only Tuesday,
for goodness sake. Good luck to your mate. We'll be
watching you well and looking forward to following you on.
I'm pretty sure I can just log onto the website
and drink it.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
It's going to be slow, it's gonna be good, mate,
Like there's no I'll just be sitting on the couch
eating some popcorn watching you go.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
So I've got no moral stancey to say, you know,
go about faster, Matt. But good on your.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Matt says you've done the work. Two weeks won't make
any difference, Thanks Matt. I appreciate that you left the
thirty five k way too late. This should have been
done six weeks ago. Break it down to four time
ten k. You will be fine. Sis Martin, thank you
so much that you two.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
It's a positivity.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
You're better humans than the person that said who cares mat.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah, you know, come on, do better, come be better?

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yes, all right, if you are tracking me, you'll probably
be watching.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
You'll go.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I think he stopped. I think he's.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Going backwards for some reason. Oh he's coming fifty k
Is he jupped in a Texi or something.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
He's been involved in a Paula Redcliffe.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, looking forward to seeing how you go, mate. Right
on to today's show after three o'clock. This is a
great story. Totung is oldest wildlife park is at the
market for sale and it comes with hundreds of cute
and cuddly animals. This is Marshaland's Animal park near McLean
Falls that was launched thirty five years ago. Now the
owner's sons were the original founder's sons, Terry. He has

(04:51):
put it up for sale with around two hundred and
eighty animals. This includes guinea pigs, real pigs, calves, sheep, deer,
giant African ostriches, texas, long hoards, clydestale horses. The list
goes on. So whoever takes us on, you're a brave,
brave people.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, it seems stressful to me, and I think there
is a Matt Damon movie with the same plot going
on there. We brought a zoo. I think it's cool.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
That's right, it's a good movie.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
But yeah, let's talk later about you know, have you
taken on an interesting business? Maybe not a zoo because
he's not too many of them, but up for sale,
but I know a theme park of tourist attraction, you know,
something interesting.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, looking forward to that after three o'clock. After two o'clock,
a great story about criminal records and how that can
shadow many people for life in this country. So it
was a story of a gentleman called Richard, didn't use
his last name, but he landed himself quite a great
position as a sales representative. This was in October this year,
as an employment contract was signed. It was all looking good.

(05:45):
He was making friends with the colleagues. He got a
Yuke to drive home, but the next day called into
a meeting, stood down immediately and sent home in a taxi.
And the reason for that is his voluntary criminal record
check and only just landed in the manager's inbox, and
despite decades having passed since he broke the law, he
was let go. So it'd actually done prison time thirty
years ago. But as he said, I paid for my

(06:07):
crimes over thirty years ago, but this week I paid again.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, I'm with him thirty years Come on, you know,
clean slate up to three decades since you did the crime.
You're a totally different human being, you know. So we
want to talk about you know, have you employed someone
who's done time or have you been employed after doing time?
Because yeah, if we never give people a second chance,
how do they become productive members of society?

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, looking forward to that. Just before we get to
this topic, there was a nice text here from Craig.
Get a Matt. I'll sink a beer for every kilometer
you complete up to you, Matt's if I get pissed
or off. So that's very generous of you, Craig. That
is good motivation. I know I'm not forty two beers.
I have the weight of Craig's health. Yeah on me.

(06:52):
That is a great off of Craig. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Someone here says, Matt, I've seen you. You have long
torso and short legs syndrome. Does that mean you're going
to be doing more steps than the average runner. That's true.
I do have a long torso compared to my legs.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
I have noticed that.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, yeah, no, look, there's so much support coming through.
Good on you. Yeah, we should easily bring this up
as a topic a little bit later on pushing mind
over matter easy money.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yeah, nice, keep that motivation coming through.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
This is good from Mike shredded m muscle fibers still
haven't fully healed. If you train too close to the
main event, your legs will be fully loaded and healing,
and your fat cells will be full of energy.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Nice. See it's all looking good. You're feeling better already.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, all right, all right, I'm older than you and
I did it. It can with no training at all.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah, got on that tex stuff. Yeah, well done. Right,
let's get into this one because we've already had a
whole bunch of texts about it. But there's been a
whole bunch of pushback against billionaires, certainly over the last
couple of years, but it's ramped up in recent months.
The newly elected New York mayor Zoran men Dami, he
said not long after his election, I don't think we
should have billionaires full stop. In Billie Eilish, very famous musician, singer, songwriter. Actually,

(07:58):
as you mentioned before, her brother writes the songs, but
very talented. She said at a function, I quote, I
love you all, but there's a few people in here
that have a lot of money, a lot more money
than me. If you're a billionaire, why are your billionaire?
No hate, but you give your money away, shorties was
the quote. Closer to home. The Green Party in Chloe
Swarbrough have obviously made no secret that they would desire

(08:19):
or love a wealth tech attacks and that billionaires, anyone
who reaches a billion dollars should be made to give
back a whole bunch of their money. So it's going
to be a good chat.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it, Because the assumption
is if someone else has got the money, then you
should have it instead of them. But those who hate
billionaires say, and you know, in a world of supposedly
finite resources, that the concentration of resources on one person
is unfair, particularly when some are poor. They think that

(08:52):
their billionaires have undue influence because of their wealth. And
you know, there's accusations that they don't follow the law
the same way as US US plebs have to. But
those who love them, you know, they point out that
they spare in headation job creation. You know, to be

(09:12):
a billionaire, you generally have to have a whole lot
of people that have also got wealthy on the way
through and businesses and and you know, life changing opportunities
for hundreds of thousands of people.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
You know.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
The other argument for them is they're shining light of ambition,
showing what humans can do, what the possibilities. And also
another thing that people like about billionaires, if they do
like them, is that they can allocate money towards things
very directly. Unlike governments that have to have policies and
discussions and all that kind of stuff. You know, they
can just throw money at a startup they like and
get things going. Sports teams, oh my goodness, I love

(09:49):
a sports team.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Billionaires.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Billionaires love a sports team. And what a billionaire can
do to a town by building a stadium and supporting
a sports team, and how it can bring a whole
community together, that is quite something, you know, and not
to mention there philanthropy, that they're billionaire is so.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
But what do you reckon? Should there be billionaires one
hundred and eighty ten eighty come on through nine to nine?
Who is that text number? The phones are lighting up?
But love to hear your thoughts back in the moment
is sixteen past one.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
And thank you for all your lovely support about my run. Okay, yeah,
all right.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
If you want to send about a hate through as well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Absolutely welcome. Yeah, I mean, and as you say, there
is a reasonable chance of a Paula Redcliff.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
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Speaker 3 (10:34):
They'd be very good afternoon, Jet. It's nineteen past one, Matt.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
What's a Paula red Cliff? Don't look it up? Okay.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Anyway, we're talking about billionaires. Yes, we are talking about billionaires.
There's been a lot of pushback about the idea of
billionaires in general. So the question we've asked you is
should they exist full stop? Or are they good for society?

Speaker 7 (10:53):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (10:53):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Stan?
How are you.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Your thoughts on billionaires and the calls that they should
not exist?

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (11:03):
Gooday, boys.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
You okay, yep, we can hear you loud and clear.

Speaker 8 (11:09):
Stand Okay, yeah, no, I just think it's quite the
critical of the left to sort of poke the boy
ax at billionaires. When billionaires fund some of the a
lot of their causes. I'm thinking of people like George Soros,
who funds a whole range of left wing enterprises political enterprises.

(11:32):
Also Neil Singham who's hiding away in China, who's a
big wall you'd call them a communist. I guess he
is a big funder of left wing political parties and enterprises.
So to turn around and say, oh, yeah, we've got
to get rid of these billionaires and they should give
all their money away, I think it's quite It's quite

(11:52):
ironic and quite laughable.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, it's interesting in the United States, isn't it? Because
the left over there they have their billionaires that they like,
and then they hustle the other side for billionaires. But
Karmala had more billionaires backing her than Trump.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
Did you know?

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Trump is a billionaire. But what do you think do
you think it's that you know, one of the other
complaints about billionaires, and you know, you're kind of pointing
it out, is that they have undue political influence due
to their resources.

Speaker 8 (12:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that that cuts both left down
and right, you know, But I guess it's it's their
money they want to have. I just wish it would
be a bit more open and honest so we know
who's funding what. I sort of followed a bit on
the on the what in America, how people like Zius

(12:44):
they have all these cutouts and they fund this their
money through a number of NGOs and that two. I mean,
some of the things they are funding when you when
you track it all down, they're pretty not very nice.
I mean, he was a big funder of Black Lives Matter.
In fact, two of the founders who declared themselves Marxist

(13:04):
each have used to work for Open Society Foundation. I mean,
this is this is the kind of you know, this
kind of going on. Is that happened in America and
you know, possibly to a lesser extent here.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Do you think what about the argument that when there's
poor people, you know, people that are really really struggling,
that is somehow morally gross to have that much more
than you need, say, you know, once you've got one
hundred million dollars, two hundred million dollars, three d million dollars, whatever,
do you really need ten billion dollars? And not just

(13:41):
morally morally it's their money, but do you think that
there's a moral argument that that much wealth constrained on
one person is is wrong.

Speaker 8 (13:52):
But I think a lot of these people don't have
a billion dollars. I mean, I doubt any of them
have a billion dollars sitting in cash.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
In the bank.

Speaker 8 (13:58):
Most of its assets, most of it's businesses that are
built out in shareholding in those businesses. So you know, yeah,
you could argue they could probably get more of it away.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
And I think a lot of it a lot too,
don't they stand? But yeah, but just on that, is
it a fair argument that you know that old old
saying that you need money to make money, but I
think it is true. Once you reach a level of wealth,
then you have the ability to take advantage of a
system that is well set up for people with a
heck of a lot of money, arguably billionaires. Right, So,

(14:32):
share markets, acquiring new companies, all the other elements and
ways that they generate their wealth. Is that air a
fair criticism of that system? And perhaps that's why some
people at the lower end get aggrieved by it, because
they think the system and the deck is stacked against them.

Speaker 8 (14:49):
Well, you take people like well Bill Gate, it's not
a favorite of mine, but he didn't start out with
a bundle looad of money. Most of these people, I
mean some of it's inherited, but a lot of these
are self made.

Speaker 6 (15:03):
You know. And I think there's a lot of envy.

Speaker 8 (15:07):
Quite honestly, a lot of people don't want to get
off their bum don't want to take chances, don't want
to risk anything, don't want to work hard, and then
they just want, oh, wealthy people should give me some money,
you know. Yeah, I mean, quite honestly, And I think
you know, if you if you don't have a reward

(15:29):
for your labors and a reward for your hard work
as you as you wouldn't have under under socialism, you know,
why would people be inventive? Why would people be on
trip for an aerial They just wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, I mean, if that's definitely shown through history, and
if you go to the extreme of you know, communism,
I mean it's been proven over and over again that
that leads to innovation, you know, absolute lack of innovation,
economic collapse, and horrifically oppressive governments. But I guess we
we we want something that's you know, some people would
argue that they want something more in the in the middle,

(16:05):
which is probably what we do have. We do actually
have that something in the.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
Middle here in New Zealand.

Speaker 9 (16:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, I think to go back to one of your
points before, it is interesting because people do think, and
this whole current chat about Elon Musk becoming a trillionaire,
he's not. There's there's there's incentives if he makes it
to get that trillion dollars and that would be trillion
dollars and worth you know, and shares, et cetera, then
the amount of wealth that have been generated for other

(16:34):
people will be massive. It's it's a it's a crapshoot.
So I think people sometimes gets mistaken and they think
that someone has one hundred billion dollars in the bank.
But if we just take Graham Heart in New Zealand,
I wonder how much money he could just get out
from an f poss machine. It certainly wouldn't be certainly
wouldn't be his total value.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
No, a lot of us.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Be a lot more than me.

Speaker 8 (16:54):
Yeah, But I like you, I mean, like you say,
And the thing is, what did he start off with?
Wasn't he just a driver?

Speaker 6 (17:02):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Do you begrudge someone that that that because That's the
other thing is we live in these capitalist societies which
where people can break classes, they can you know, people
talk about kings. You know, Graham Hart can go from
a career driver to a king. Back in the old days,
you have to be born into being king. Yeah, you know,
not necessarily, he's not a king. He doesn't have political power.
But if you know what I'm.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Saying, yeah, to get those to the upper hierarchies of society.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
That used to be only a birthright. You know, Hey,
thanks so much for your call, Stan.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, thank you very much. O under it eighty ten eighty.
What's your thoughts on this one? Should billionaires exist? Ninet
two nine two is the text number as well twenty
six past one.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the make Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Meaning profit time again.

Speaker 10 (17:44):
The number is a large net profit of two point
five three billion, which is up over twenty percent. Antonio
Watson is the AMST CEO. How comfortable are you talking
about numbers this side?

Speaker 7 (17:53):
They are very big numbers, and twenty percent in the
costant living crisis is very uncomfortable. And that headline number
has caused for a whole lot of accounting noise valuing
our derivatives and the actual underlying number is four percent.

Speaker 10 (18:04):
The margin is up three basis points. How do you
defend that we've.

Speaker 7 (18:08):
Had to put in one point two billion dollars of
extra capital that comes at a cost to us, So
our shareholders are wearing part of the pain of the
additional capsule as well, and I think that's fair.

Speaker 10 (18:17):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Vida News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Twenty nine past one. Should billionaires exist? There's a lot
been a lot of pushback against billionaires in recent times.
What do you say the sixties?

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Come on, guys, Hedge fund managers have control of billions,
even trillions of dollars. They can swing markets. Whereas the
hate on these guys, why pack on the successful people.
It's a very very very good point. This personal says
China as communists and they are at the forefront of innovation.
So what's that saying about capitalism and creating innovation? Well,
is China at the forefront of innovation or are they

(18:50):
are the forefront of plagiarism? And also, you know, I
wonder how you'd go living under the rules that are
applied on the citizenship of China.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah, when you've got more than a million people under
your thumb, you can get some stuff done, no doubt
about it.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
I mean it's a dictatorship. I don't think you would
love it over there as much as you think you do.
You might not be able to ring talk back radio
and share your opinion freely. Mike, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
Hi, guys, how are you today?

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Very good?

Speaker 6 (19:22):
Yeah, nice day here in Auckland.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Nice breeze, it is beautiful, humanly, it's lovely.

Speaker 9 (19:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (19:27):
No, My point is, you know, we're born into this world.
There's no expectations for anything. We don't ask to be born,
so we come into this world and you know, there's
no guarantees for anything. And money has come out of
the ground for thousands a year or hundreds centuries centuries,
and that's where it's come from, mainly resources, gold and

(19:48):
things like that. And it's sort of like the economy
sort of like if you had a ream of paper
and you threw it down a staircase, some of that
paper is going to land in big clumps on some stairs,
and some of those bits of paper are going to
land in very small quantities on other steps. And some
people are lucky and with money and some aren't. It's

(20:10):
just the nature of life on earth, is how I
see it. And if just the roll of the dice
is no guarantees being born into this world. But the
thing is, if someone is lucky enough to accumulate huge
amounts of money, like I don't.

Speaker 6 (20:27):
Know, the Google fluke or YouTube fluke.

Speaker 11 (20:31):
Facebook fluke, well then that gives opportunities for the rest
of us to be innovative and come up with goods
and services that these billionaires are going to share some
of their money. They're not just going to give it
away willing early. That's ridiculous. But if you can come up,
say if you're an artist in a sculpture and you
sculptured art, So if you did a bronze sculpture of

(20:53):
Matt and Tyler sitting behind a talkback desk, yeah, and
you knocked on Bill Gates's door, and so you look
at this bronze sculpture, would you like a million dollars?

Speaker 6 (21:05):
Would you like this for a million dollars?

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Well?

Speaker 11 (21:06):
Yeah, and this this love awesome.

Speaker 6 (21:08):
And here you go.

Speaker 11 (21:10):
And it's far better in my experience to earn the
money you get, no freebies and handouts, it's just dead
money that there's no satisfaction from that.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
So yeah, I agree with a lot of what you're saying, Matt,
but I do because I think it's logical arguments around
people and capitalism. This is how we've got a head
of society, and people should be rewarded for the hard
work that they put into whatever whatever endeavor that they
go for. But the fact it remains that inequality is growing,
and we can argue about why that is, but then

(21:41):
that starts to lead to social unrest, and we can
argue about the merits of you know, people are putting
the hard work in to earn the money and the
wealth that they have, but you can't get around aside
the fact that social unrest is growing around the world
because of inequality, and that's a tough thing to try
and address right and where the targeting super wealthiest a
way to do that. I don't know if that's going

(22:02):
to be that successful, but that is a major concern
going forward that the more inequality grows, then the more
you have populist populist leaders coming to the fore you
have social unrest around around the world and that is,
it should be of a concern to everybody, including billionaires.

Speaker 11 (22:18):
Can I say something course, yeah please, yeah, okay, okay,
this is extremely cynical. But if the government all of
a sudden decided and said, right, all the money in
New Zealand, we're going to take it all and divide it.
Every single citizen is going to get one million dollars,
then no one would turn up for work. That will
be down at the beach. There will be on their
boats fishing and things. So unfortunately, that's just the nature

(22:41):
of how the economy works, I'm sorry to say in
my opinion.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yeah, no, fair enough to Mike. Great to get you
on mate, nicely articulated.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
I think there's something you know in the in the
point you know, the human species, which is us, our species.
Are we all supposed to just just grind on all
on the same level, with the same level of output,
or do we want to take bag bag bag giant
steps forward every now and then do things that know
run of the human milk, human will do you know,

(23:12):
you know, as Michael saying, those works of arts commissioned
by the super rich, the innovations made by those that
are sort of striving for astronomical success. You know, should
you not be rewarded for changing the world. There's kind
of a view that we all should be on the
same level. It sort of comes back to that, you know,

(23:34):
what is it comparison is the thief of joy? So,
you know, should we all just be able to look
at each other and go, this person's the same because
because actually it's kind of hypocritical in New Zealand, because
for most of us looking at you, Tyler, you know,
someone could hassle a billionaire. You could sit there, haressling
a billionaire. But there's so many millions and millions and
millions of people in the world that would look at

(23:55):
your life and say that you've got too much and
you're too very true effluent, and there may be you
may be closer to a billionaire then a lot of
the poor people in this world are to you.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
I'm a one percentage A lot of peop will, no
doubt about it. But you're right. Fortune favors the brave,
and people laughed at Elon Musk when he said he
was what he was going to do, and Bezos and
everybody else. So that's a very fair point, right. We've
got the headlines hot on our tails, but can you
get your views of eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number.

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Speaker 3 (25:42):
Thank you very much. Raillan. We're talking about the pushback
against billionaires in recent times and keen on your view,
should billionaires exist, does they need to be some regulations
involved in that sort of wealth or is that a
sign of a successful society? Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Hey, guys, China is in a pure communist state. It's
a very mercantile. There's plenty of billionaires. It's effectively capitalist
dictatorship with Jujingpin characteristics. That's from Brennett. Yeah, I mean,
some people have mis heard what I was saying. I'm
not saying there's no innovation in China, but it does
have an innovation problem. You know, I've been reading quite
a lot about it recently, and that you know anything

(26:18):
when you're controlled by the government. But I mean, let's
just say, if you become a billionaire in China, and
there have been famous situations where billionaires have just suddenly
had everything taken off them or have been disappeared for
a while.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
But also you'd be a billionaire in China and then
you call jijinping pooh beer and see how you go?

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, well, they're famous case of Jack Maher and I
know he's not the only one, but the billionaire founder
of Ali Barber went missing for a long time because
he dared too And I don't even think the criticism
was that much of China, but they effectively made him
disappear and said we own you and you don't forget that.
And then he popped back up and said, I love
this country and I love Jugen.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Well, yeah, I mean all these people that are texting
in and hastling me for having a go at China
and the freedoms in there. Yeah, you know, I wonder
how you'd go ringing up a talkback radio station in
China to say the kind of things you say about
the government.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yeah, would you go, Well, you get a knock on
the door very fast, how would.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
You go, Graham, welcome to show.

Speaker 14 (27:15):
Hey guys, it going good.

Speaker 6 (27:16):
Thank you, Just a quick a side.

Speaker 14 (27:18):
Let's see Carlo Science managed as usual trick of crashing
into someone in the grand privious weekend.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Get him started, get started on.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Oh my god, that guy and that's and and that's
what he said about our boy.

Speaker 6 (27:33):
Leave.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
He goes, oh, it's it's this guy. No, it's always you, Carlos. Yeah, anyway,
don't get it. Don't get us started.

Speaker 14 (27:43):
A couple of points I just wanted to make. I
think that the the the little angst against billion is
gems from two things. So one is the view that well,
we need to continually think of new ways to divide
it up, when in fact that it's infinite. And the
second thing is this view of what capitalism used to

(28:08):
be versus what it is today. So what I mean
by that is, you know, if you look back in time,
sort of billionaires used to be people that own railways
or oil fields or telephone companies, sort of things that
it was very difficult to survive without, whereas today most billionaires,

(28:28):
and if you look at the Magnificent seven as they're
called on the Stock Exchange, Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Meta, Microsoft
and Video and Tesla, they don't really own anything except IP.
So that well is primarily generated from the intellectual property
that they create. I mean, I noticed the makes cards,
but even people say then that it's actually a giant

(28:48):
data research project, not not actually a vehicle company. So
that's the kind of thinking that goes into oh that
there shouldn't be billionaires. It's like and even said in
your intro, you know it, has the world got enough resources?

Speaker 9 (29:04):
I mean.

Speaker 14 (29:06):
People like Peter Bet didn't kind of wait, cup one morning,
go ship man. There's always rockets lying around. If only
someone bought them all and created a rocket monopoly, I
could build a space company here in New Zealand. He
built it from scratch, that there was no company beforehand,
and I think that's the misnomer. The left spends a

(29:26):
lot of time thinking about how we can take the
pizza and cut it up in more interesting and diverse ways,
whereas the right kind of things, well, how do we
make the pizza ever bigger. I do respect the view
that you can't just pillage theirth of resources in order
to make ever more money. But like I said, wealth

(29:47):
creation these days is very much around intellectual property more
so than monopolistic resource ownership. And that's the difference. A
couple of thoughts on China and innovation. There read somewhere
that basically the Chinese government needs the Chinese economy to

(30:08):
grow between five and seven percent a year to remain
in power, and the only way it can do that
is through running a capitalist economy, because when your standard
of living is constantly increasing, you're less likely to overthrow
your government than if you're living in misery in your
life is getting worse. Another interesting anecdote I had was

(30:30):
I read a study somewhere that talked about innovation out
of the Communist the Soviet Block from the end of
the Second World War to the full Burmham Wall. And
basically the study looked at everything the Soviets created that
wasn't either stolen from the West through espionage or copied
or was built on the back of, you know, basically

(30:54):
capturing German scientists alf the war. And they came up
with one specific example.

Speaker 6 (30:59):
And I.

Speaker 14 (31:01):
Doesn't matter how many how long I'll give you to
guess what it is, you never will. And the study
said the only thing they could think of that was, well,
find that was completely innovative that came out of out
of the Soviet era, was out of Hungary and it
was rubric.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
And that was hanging on a minute, what.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
About what's that? What's that? Fantastic huh video game, that
really simple one with the drops brocking down? Why am
I forgettings? Maybe maybe Tetris as well.

Speaker 14 (31:31):
I'm not sure that.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
So so when you when you look into you know,
China and and you know so obviously the capitalist part
of it. But but you know, as I'm getting a
lot of abuse from the text Hitchines saying here, but
but but you look at you know, the innovation there.
I mean, you cannot deny that there's a lot of
plagiarism going around, and there's a lot of ignoring of
of of of copyright, right, I mean.

Speaker 14 (31:54):
That abs yeah, they I mean even the deep think
AI model they were launched recently supposedly was innovative. That's
then going into the source code they found, uh evidence
that some of it was copied from US versions and
that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
You've always got to ask the question. And you look,
I'm no expert on it, but if everything is you know,
you look at Tektok for example, at the end every
company in China is effectively owned by the government. You
can have billionaires, you can have the success, but you
always have to be asking that question on innovation. You know,
of the people above you, and is this an acceptable

(32:32):
thing to do? So there are limits. There's always limitations
on what you do in a way that there isn't
in free, democratic societies. It's just the way it is.
And they're huge. You know, the infrastructure projects they have
in China are absolutely phenomenal, and the way some of
their city's runners are amazing. But I don't know if
everyone here would want to give up the freedom that

(32:53):
we have here to say and do what we want
just for some really kick ass bridges. I'm not sure.

Speaker 14 (32:58):
Maybe they would, Yeah, but as you say, it's still
it's a communist government underpinned by quite thy capitalist system.
And you know, you can tell that like when Trump
started applaying tariffs to China, lots of people said, or
China doesn't care because you know that they've got lots

(33:21):
of other trading partners. But there was the key financial
report that said the Chinese government started buying up shares
on the on the Shanghai Stock Exchange, and that's always
an indicator that they are concerned about the economy because
so many Chinese have their wealth invested in stocks. And
again it comes back to that question, is they want

(33:43):
to continue to raise the standard living, so they started
buying up stocks to ensure that the market didn't for
They're also currently propping up the real estate market by
by you know, hundreds and not trillions of dollars. You know,
there's all those ghost towns and problems, problems.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
And then you know, look into the population collapse over here.
It's an interesting problem. We've all got that.

Speaker 14 (34:07):
Yeah, but around yeah, trying to maintain a sense of
continuing to build wealth.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call, Graham. Going
to go to an air break, we certainly do.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Thirteen to two, but taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Tylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
I'd be it is ten to two. Plenty of texts
coming through.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
On nine ten nine two, m Matt says this teester,
M Matt, you're not as wildly as you think you are. Well,
I don't think I'm that worldly a should you? To
be honest, I grew up on a farm in the
deepest of the South Island.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Good place.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I would never claim to be
particularly worldly. China has passed Germany and engineering engineering initiative.
This is from someone an engineer who visits there every
six months because of products we buy from them. You
never seen any of the one hundred and thirty staff
being suppressed or gagged and ideal with them daily. You
are ignorant. Well, maybe I am, but I also know

(35:07):
a lot of people go over there, and I've recently
been having some dealings with some people that work with
the We're embedded with the Chinese government, and the freedom
that you speak of is a bit of an illusion
that may be rolled out for you, dear Texters, So
thank you for that, but you cannot you can't put

(35:30):
next time you go over there, dress up as as
Pooh Beer. And when you go over there and you're
visiting there, next time you're over there six months and
dress up as poo Beer. Good to walk around and.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Then text us back if you can from the prison cell.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
And then go to America and dress up as Donald
Trump and see which place you get in more trouble
for doing it.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Good experiments, But thank you very much for that text.
All right, we've got to take a quick break. But
when we come back, we have a chat to Matt
who reckons there's people good with money and people who
are bad with money. It's simple as that. So we'll
get us thought shortly eight to two.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Mattie Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred. It's
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
New Dogs. It is five to two.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Matt Welcome to show your thoughts on this. Should billionaires exist?

Speaker 15 (36:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (36:20):
Okay, So I was kind of going to put it
back to you and Tyler as well and just have
it sort of an interactive uhally about it. So basically,
basically we've got people attacking billionaires. I've seen billionaires. You've
seen them, and and you do get to a point
where if you start to see just how much money

(36:42):
they actually have put together, it can actually make you
feel sick. Like I've been there, and it's like, man,
do you really need all of that? Could you not
have shared some of that? And I think with fat
wealth there probably is like a sort of a bit
of a responsibility to do something to help people if

(37:05):
you can. But in saying that, I don't think you
can force them to do it. And I think that
a great deal of billionaires probably i'd say more often
than not. Quite so terrific anyway, and they do do
a lot to help people. They make a lot of
serious And it was there not a key with you
who donated enough? Was it one hundred million dollars for
the ward in the hospital?

Speaker 6 (37:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (37:29):
Yeah, So there you go. That's one man. Everybody probably
doesn't much like that he owns that much money. But
the New Zealand government couldn't even put a ward on
that hospital. But oh no, a wealthy man came along
and there it is. You now have your ward. You're
welcome like that was up to him that he's a
host of his money.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Hey, Matt, I'm really enjoying this chat with you, but
we have got the news coming in hot. We've we've
run a bit long and a few things. Would be
able to talk to you again after the news. Would
you be able to hang around for it?

Speaker 16 (37:57):
Oh yeah, I'll try and hang on here.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Good on your Matt. Appreciate your thoughts. I can tell
that you've thought through them so well. Look forward to
talking to you after the break, yep.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
And we're going to carry this on as well. One
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number of call.
Should billionaires exist or are they? Do they provide some
value to society? Love to get your thoughts on this
nine two ninety two, the text number, News Sport and
where they're coming up. Then we'll get back to our caller, Matts.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
It'd be good day to you. Welcome back into the show.
Six past two. So we have been talking about the
pushback against billionaires in recent times, a lot of pushback
overseas but also here in New Zealand. So we've been
asking you do you think billionaires should exist?

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah? Do you celebrate their innovation and job creation? Or
do you think in a finite world of resources, it's
somehow morally wrong and unfair to have that much money
when some people have nothing at all. That's discussion. One
hundred and eighty ten or eighty is the number. And Matt,
we had to cut you off for the news, so
welcome back. When we left, you were positing a few

(39:09):
questions to Tyler and I.

Speaker 16 (39:12):
Yeah, so you hear me, all right.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yep, you clear as a bell.

Speaker 16 (39:16):
Okay, So all I was saying is I think we've
all seen multi billionaires with all their toys and felt
a bit sick with you. Almost could think that they're
a little greedy or whatever. But I think a lot
of people have responsibility to do good, and a great
deal of them do. I think a lot of them
aren't just obsessed with hoarding money and trying to live forever.

(39:39):
I think they take a bit of joy from spreading
their money around as well. And like you say, they
create jobs and pay a lot of tacks. And so
the question I was was going to ask you guys,
is like, have you ever met someone who's really good
with money?

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yep? I have? I think of a couple.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yep, yep. I can think of a few people.

Speaker 16 (39:59):
Yeah, And I hate to do this, but have you
ever met someone who's just terrible with money?

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I meet that person every morning in the bathroom mirror.

Speaker 16 (40:08):
Yeah, it's fair enough. And so I think that's just reality, right. So,
like for every intelligent person you meet, you might meet
a person you think, man, they're highly intelligent. The dark
side of that is that somewhere else in the other
side of there has to be someone who's not quite
that intelligent. So it's the same as that. So basically

(40:30):
a classic example that I would give is like if
you take you must have heard the stats on our
first division lotto winners and how often they are bankrupt
within two years. It is like a great percentage eighty
plus percent or something. You'd have to fact check me,
but it's appalling. So basically, these are people that have

(40:50):
won lotto and they just can't keep it together for
two years. So to the whole argument of taking all
the money off the wealthy billionaires, I've not heard any
other argues other than other arguments other than to redistribute it,
which would mean everybody gets a piece of pie. So
I think that if you hand certain people a whole

(41:14):
lot of money, like that guy that was on earlier said, hey,
if you gave everyone a million dollars, everyone just wouldn't
go to work tomorrow. Well, actually that's not true. There's
a lot of people that have a million dollars in
their bank and still go to work. In fact, they're
not content with that. They grow their businesses more, they
hire more people. It's not that's a classic example of

(41:35):
what he thinks that but that's not true. Like we
all know a millionaire who goes to work. Surely I
can name some. So basically, the thing I think is
if you just redistribute all the wealth and people who
are great with money get some, and people who are
bad with money get some, then the people who are

(41:57):
terrible with money will just lose that money quite quickly,
and it'll basically it'll become cyclical, and you'll end up
back where we are, which is the PA That's the
way it got there, you know, in my opinion, because
most of the people that I've met who are really
wealthy and grow their wealth heaven inherited it. They they've

(42:19):
usually come from a really tough upbringing or background, and
they've been really, really highly motivated. They've had a lot
of boogie, They've taken huge risks, a lot of them,
and many of them have just made massive sacrifices ones
that I'm not like, I'm not a wealthy I'm just tradesman,
so I'm not a wealthy man. So I'm not defending
them from any other perspective that I respect people who

(42:45):
they have put a lot of effort in because I've seen.

Speaker 9 (42:47):
Them do it.

Speaker 16 (42:48):
Like they'll buy a house and then they'll sit on
a paint can you know, they don't buy furniture because
that's not what they're interested in. Like, these are the
people that when you're out partying, they stayed home and studied.
Like they've made those choices and they got that degree.
They I mean, you could say they're stingy. Maybe yeah,
they're stingy. They started off.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
You hear those stories of incredibly wealthy peeping people inserting
their credit card into the machine rather than use the
pay weights.

Speaker 16 (43:18):
Yeah, yeah, and like yeah exactly, Matt and Donald Trump,
like yeah, he's is he a billionaire? I think he's
a billionaire, but he's been bankrupt a number of times.
So as long as you're happy to, you know, take
all of those risks right like that. Not many people are.
I'm not, but I think it goes hand in hand
with like a tall poppy syndrome, which we've kind of

(43:42):
had a bit of a reputation for in this country,
where you can't just be happy. Like I want Tyler
to be a millionaire, I want Matt to be a millionaire.
I want everyone to be a millionaire. I actually really do.
And if everybody in this country builds everybody in this
country up, we'll all pay more attack all of a sudden,
Oh my gosh, we'll be able to power doctors, will

(44:03):
be a power nurses more. All are these people that
are struggling will have a bit more money. What we
need is boogie, What we need is commerce man like,
not not jelly.

Speaker 17 (44:14):
Like.

Speaker 16 (44:14):
I don't like seeing people who are just bitter and
because I'm not I'm not a wealthy person, but I'm
not gonna say, oh, look at that rich guy, I
should have some of his money, Like, I just don't
see it like that. I've chosen to buy certain things
in my life instead of investing and shares with that money.

(44:35):
And they they grew their money and I didn't in
that area, and so oh no, look what happened. They
have more money than me.

Speaker 18 (44:41):
Who knew?

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah, well, I mean it's like everything, there's always someone
richer than you, and there's always someone poorer in you,
but we choose to always look. So a lot of
a lot of people are just looking at billionaires and
focusing totally on those people. But they're not focusing, you know,
comparing themselves with the majority of people in the world
that aren't born in New Zealand. Who would look at

(45:03):
us and think our like disgusting community. You know, the
amount of stuff we own and wait as they wouldn't
believe it, and then they wouldn't believe that we were.
Not only that, but we feel that we're poor and
we envy other people, you know, while we get our
food out of the fridge. The biggest concern is that
we don't get overweight with it. We're on these strict
diets to try and stay thin. You know, they would

(45:24):
look at us and go, not a huge difference between
you and a billionaire.

Speaker 16 (45:27):
There, Oh you are, like I was raised in West Africa,
so you are living someone else's dream, I promise you, man.
And and if you want to wake up in the
morning and forget that and just be a bitter, twisted,
upset person, I can't. I can't anymore because I've seen
true poverty. Like we used to tip, like not purposefully,

(45:52):
but if we were driving down the road and we'd
had enough of what we were drinking, we would tip
our drink out the window and there would be three
mug like three bowls underneath that catching it in a fight.
Like it was terribly poor over there. And I can't
tell people it. You kind of have to see it.

Speaker 9 (46:13):
For yourself.

Speaker 16 (46:13):
But I personally wake up in this country every day
and I'm really, really, really rich. Yeah, you know, and
what do they says, You've got ten dollars in coins
in your car. You're in the top nine percentile in
the world or something. It's crazy something.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
So there's all these people that are pointing the finger
and saying this disgusting wealth everywhere. But could you could
give away a lot? You could give away a lot.
I remember I was in India once and I got
confused with the money and I handed some money out
for some some roses. I saw something outside the car
and he was selling roses and I handed some money out,

(46:50):
and I handed way way more money than I intended out,
and it just caused this huge sensation. And it wasn't
even a lot of money really, but to me, and
I was just thinking that, you know, to them, to
that guy, that money that I handed out, you know,
that's that's that's I'm like.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of king handing out that sort
of money.

Speaker 8 (47:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (47:12):
Yeah, So and you are, remember that you are? You know,
it depends on your perspective, Yeah yeah, yeah, And that's
really interesting.

Speaker 9 (47:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, hey man, I'm so glad we kept you over
the over the break because you had some fantastic things
to say.

Speaker 16 (47:26):
Really sure, I really had to say so, thinks thak
thaks go.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Thanks mate, what a great call and what a great philosophy.
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call love to hear your thoughts on what Matt
had to say. Is being born in New Zealand winning
the lottery of life and do we forget that sometimes?
And billionaires of course as well. How do you feel
about their existence? Should they be heavily taxed or do
they actually contribute to society?

Speaker 6 (47:50):
Well?

Speaker 2 (47:50):
I think heavily sex But anyway, it's better to have
government control businesses, says Mike, rather than big businesses control
and government with bribes and backhanded deals. There you go.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Yeah, it is sixteen plus two.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Your home of afternoon talk mad even Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty eight you talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Afternoon to your nineteen past two. We've been talking about
billionaires and getting your thoughts about whether they should exist
at all? Is some people around the world in a
New Zealand say, or whether they contribute a lot to society?

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Just thinking about what the last guy said. I was
in Africa for a trip once, says Michelle, a Texter.
We were traveling on a truck. I found a small
village where this lady washed my clothes for me. I
got the washing powder for her. I gave her five
US dollars. She cried. I then took all my washing
back to the truck, and everybody took theirs down to
this lady. She made a fortune that day, but the

(48:45):
entire village I would have done well out of it,
as well.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
As a gorgeous story. But it puts things into perspective. Niko,
how are you, mate.

Speaker 12 (48:54):
I'm fine, Tyler. I just want to say. One thing
we must have realized is that the French Revolution was
fought over the divide between the reach and the poor.
That's two hundred and forty years ago, in seventeen eighty.
We still have a reach and before today, and it
is going to be like that one hundred years from now.
It's a sad hility that will always have been made.

(49:19):
There's nothing we can do about it. Even if you
listen to Elvis Peasley, some baghetto song where these things
about this wasn't fifty seven years ago that he made
that song about. But were people struggling and they're still
struggling today. It's a sad reality.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Justly on that I mean, isn't that? And it might
be hyperbolic to a lot of people out there, But
you mentioned the French Revolution. That was a massive time
of upheaval in the history of Europe and in many
parts of the world because of that very reason, because
of growing inequality, and that had enough of the powers
that be in the royal family.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Well, there are people in the States pulling up in
front of rich people's houses with gallatines five exactly. People
still remember what happened back then.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (50:03):
No, I personally, I'm just a manager for the automotive
and Co Company, But I do love billionaires, although industry
will not exist without them. Microsoft doesn't employ hundreds by
employ thousands. Amazon doesn't employ hundreds by employee thousands. So
if it was me and I know what I'm going

(50:25):
to say next is going to make a swabbri choke
on a kale and tofu sandwich. But I personally think
billionaire should not even pay personal text because they do
contribute enough.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Wow, that's bad.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Yep, it's a bold statement.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
The ass all billionaires or specific billionaires.

Speaker 12 (50:46):
Well, you know you can must probably go means testing them.
But I would say if a billionaire does contribute to
the economy or that country, or even to the global economy,
then yeah, don't let him. A typical example is Amazon,
and a typical example is Microsoft. Ware by owned by
private people. And most people have created those companies which

(51:08):
can jobs, which place business tax, and most people that
work place income tax, so it's literally feeding their economy.
Governments can't run economies. Governments do not have a money
to run economies because I need to do it off taxpace.
And if you give everything to the government to take
a billionaires out of a picture, they will not be
enough money to sustain the country, it's people, it's infrastructure,

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and give everybody as job, they will not be enough money.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Now do you think, Niko that let's just say a
billionaire who's got a super yacht and various other things,
several palaces, giant mansions, who doesn't give anything back, would
that be morally wrong? Would it be morally wrong to
be that wealthy? And you know, as you point out,

(51:57):
they're giving stuff back with their businesses and the income
tax and such with their businesses. But to be sitting
with a huge amount of wealth and excess resources and
to not be a philanthropist of some sort, do you
think that would be morally wrong?

Speaker 6 (52:14):
It depends on the matter.

Speaker 12 (52:16):
Depends on how they made the money as well as minute.
If it doesn't, I don't know how he can make
billions without having an industry to make it from people
to work for you. But you know, even if a
guy doesn't do philanthropical work with all these billions, I
really don't care as long as he does contribute to

(52:37):
the economy in the form of having a business that
employs people, that gives the taxes to the government's coffers.
When I've got no problem. You can have six or
seven boats, and if he wants to give me one,
I'll take it from.

Speaker 18 (52:52):
Yeah, but I.

Speaker 12 (52:52):
Would not knock him down. The most probably worked hard,
or if he hasn't, his family has worked hard to
achieve and they they don't make that money because they think,
you know what, I'm going to be so rich, I'm
just going to give money away. No way they make
it to become rich to have a good lifestyle. Some
of them becomes exuberantly rich, like Elon Musk. But they

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still give back Elon Musk and there's some satellite thing
that he's got starlink, he said, just going to save
those people from space that were stuck in the spacecrafting.
So they do give back in that form. Narsok couldn't
do it, America couldn't do it, but Elon Musk did it.
And people must appreciate that if he wasn't that reach,

(53:33):
you wouldn't have that facilities and that ability to.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Do are they, Yeah, that's sport when it comes to
Elon Musk has type of altruism as innovation, right, And
I think he got into the idea of space X
because he was worried about the planet that we live
on and we may need Mars at some stage.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Yeah. Well, I mean, whether you agree with Elon Musk
or not, he has his principles that he believes and
he follows them. Free speech he thought that was a problem,
so he bought X. Worried about paralyzed people, who's got
neuro length, your reusable rockets, what you're talking about with
the Mars, and thinking that there needs to be he
believes in consciousness it needs to be at least two

(54:09):
places in the solar system with human consciousness. The Internet
that you know, they're starlink that you're talking about, Nico's
that's global Internet access. He's disrupted the auto industry, the
largest ev charging networks, those the batteries just going on
he bought. If you're an American, you might care that
he's brought high tech manufacturing back to the States.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
But you know, he cares about humanity, no doubt about it.
Whatever you think of Elon Musk, he deeply cares about humanity.
But he does have a.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Huge for what he believes is important. Because of his
great wealth, he has the ability to wield influence that
the likes of you and I don't. And I think
that's what makes people a little bit uncomfortable what he
cares about. He gets to influence and that worries some
some people, but not you. Nico. You love the billionaires, No, I.

Speaker 12 (55:01):
Love a billionaires. I don't know if you guys knew
that somewhat of a place in Western Trailer Contry member Remotel,
he said to them, look, I'll bold the batteries for
this place, and if I boilded in time, then you
guys can buy of me for cheap. Buddy, if I
don't boulded by the deadline, then I will have run
this country or boast batteries, and I'll pay for it

(55:22):
for as long as the tell them exists. And this
is the kind of man that Elon Muski's.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Na so much for your call, Thank you so much
for your cool neck.

Speaker 12 (55:31):
So we like to, you know, we do.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
The question that we started with was, you know, should
billionaires exist? Nico goes not only that, but he.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Loves them, Yeah, love him and don't take them a thing.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Absolutely loves the mansions and the boats have to have
staff to run them. Says this text. The top ten
percent that pay income tax in New Zealand pay forty
two percent of all the tax in New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (55:53):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Ah, but this sex says, guys, the top ten percent
of New Zealand is pay eighty percent of the income
tax in New Zealand. Or I think that's actually the
correct number.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Yeah, keep those texts coming through. On nine two nine two,
we're going to take a quick break in his twenty
seven past two.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Twenty nine past two, we've been talking about billionaires. Has
been a lot of pushback against billionaires around the world.
But how do you feel, oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty are they good or do you say they should
be done away with?

Speaker 19 (56:29):
This?

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Says Musk is a Nazi? Did you not see his salute? Well,
I think that's been massively debunked, and there's I mean
every single person, you know, instantly, every single person that
was accusing of of that has been seen holding their
hand in that particular way, so that one's probably debunked.
Whatever you think of of Elon Musk. What is the number?

(56:50):
What is the number of what the top ten percent
in New Zealand of Ernes's pay tax. It's a large
percentage of the money coming in, but it's very hard
to work out exactly what it is across all the
different different types of tacks that are paid.

Speaker 9 (57:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Yeah, that's the tricky bar. But we'll try and find
out that information. I think stats does have that, because.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
George says, you absolute muppet, eighty percent is not the
correct number. Okay, George, we'll send us, send us George,
send us your working.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
So we know, yep, give us the evidence George nine
nine two is that text number? But Debra, you reckon
it's pretty good to have billionaires?

Speaker 19 (57:28):
Hi, Matt, and hello Tyler. So yes, I think it's
perfectly okay to have billionaires. I thought I found out it.
I'd learned it all by myself once because I heard
on the radio someone was interviewing a man from an
Englishman who probably forty years ago began thought to himself,

(57:48):
I want to start up a chocolate making company. I
want to start up a chocolate making company which makes
absolutely beautiful chocolate.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Wasn't Willy Wonka, No, I don't think a lot of
Willy Wonka.

Speaker 19 (58:03):
So the story, So the story was, you know that
this Englishman had to borrow a lot of money and
then he had to take a trip on a ship
with some people who believed in his ideas over to
Africa to find some people who would plant help him
plant a plantation of cocoa bean plants. He had to

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go through you know, four five, six, seven, eight, nine,
ten years. Whoever, however, before the trees were ready to
produce cocoa beans, which he then had to back in England,
he made a come, he made a factory, he had
to pay builders to build the factory. He had to
employ engineers to build phenomenal machinery within that factory to

(58:47):
create glorious little chocolate, different ones, and you know, lovely
wrapping and a beautiful box at the end that all
the chocolates fitted into. He had to pay the workers
or the employees in Africa. He had to play the
ship man with all of his container loads of huge cocoa.
You know this common true name. And so I worked out,

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and then eventually after about ten or fifteen years, over
those years, he paid hundreds of people employment wages so
that those people they were very benefited. They actually had
a life because they worked for someone and that he
paid them a wage. But he had borrowed that money,

(59:30):
so he had stress on his mind, he has to
pay this money back and find this is a real
true story. And then after ten or fifteen years, he
finally got over all of the bills that he had
to pay and all of the loans he had made,
and all of the lives that he had given life
to because they worked for him and he paid them away.

(59:50):
He finally started to make a profit after ten or
fifteen years, and in my heart, I thought, I'm so
glad you're making a profit. And are you a billionaire? Now,
I'm so glad you are because you had a dream.
You took a lot of people on board with you
with your dream. They helped the your dream, and you
paid them a wage all the time. And guess what,

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all around the world people enjoyed the beauty of a
fantastic chocolate.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Who was That's one thing.

Speaker 19 (01:00:20):
I can't member's name, but there's a man.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
That's the man I've also loved, Jeremy.

Speaker 19 (01:00:30):
I've also lived in a city in New Zealand and
there was a man who did a similar thing, but
not with chocolates. He did it with another vegetable or fruit.
I'm not going to just say which one it was.
And I thought, no, we're not talking about that at
the moment. So he made a life for other people.
But he was the one who went overseas to create

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markets overseas for his projects. He beard all the stress
and I'm saying and then he gave fruit to another country.
He gave fruit to people in New Zealand. He gave
works to people in New Zealand, the same as the
Englishman gave work to people. They give work and if
they become billionaires, I'm very happy for them. They've been

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through so much tension.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
And then yeah, thank you so much, Debri. We've got
to go for the news.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Yep, we'll go here for sharing hot on our taial.
But thank you very much. It is twenty six to three.

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Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Thank you very much, Rayleane.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Now, a lot of people are convinced, like I was,
that Deborah was talking about Willy Wonka there in that chat.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
It felt like it sounds like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Willy Wonka hiring the Apulius since this texter he did.
You were right, Matt at the start she was definitely
talking about Willy Wonka. And this person says, amazing, Debora
could remember every detail of that Willy Wonka story, but
not what his name was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Yeah, he was the master capitalist, though wasn't a Willy Wonka.
Very very smart man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Oh, the.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Devious though very devious.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
I'm mean, I don't know if I trust them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Their working conditions were pretty tough, the old on polymps.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Yeah, I mean, there's questions around the plumper's polymper's situation.
But also, you know, inviting a bunch of kids into
a factory and then nearly killing most of them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know what the morality is
of that story, but good order, but I loved them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Sometimes people will watch a movie and think it's a documentary.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Very true, right, Jacob, how are you? Mates?

Speaker 9 (01:03:34):
Oh you good?

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Thanks, wem And you want to talk about redistribution of wealth?

Speaker 9 (01:03:39):
Well, yeah, and I just I heard oh I forgot
his name, great chet though he was on the phone
phone calls again, Matt, Yes it was I heard him
talking about redistribution. Yeah, and I just didn't hear much
pushback about it. And I'd just like to I'd like
to clarify from the reasonable left wing in this country,
which doesn't include the Green Party or to Party, Marty,

(01:04:01):
I'd like to confirm you hear. Yeah, there's still the
reasonable left in this country. And when we say redistribution,
nobody is talking about going into your bank account and
giving it to someone down the road. That's theft. Well,
everyone admits that theft, and no one thinks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Well, I mean, but I mean that that sort of
does that, I mean, that's kind of what taxes though
isn't it to a certain extent, and we will.

Speaker 9 (01:04:24):
Of course, yeah, of course looking to a libertarianism, you know,
from there, from there with you man. But in this country,
most of the capital which needs to be in the economy,
the argument is that it's held in property and it's
not being used. Yep, that's the argument. The argument is
that it's stagnant capital, and so redistributing it doesn't mean

(01:04:46):
redistributing it to poor people. I mean redistributing it to peoplehere.
They're going to use it and build businesses instead of
buying three houses.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Right, So just redistributed into the stock market, redistributed into
starting businesses and trying trying other stuff rather than property
to make money.

Speaker 9 (01:05:06):
Well, yes, and that doesn't necessarily I mean government businesses.
It just means our country is too small to have
an economy built on property ownership and houses.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
We're too small.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
We have our eggs and multiple baskets. You're quite right,
and I think there's many I think Liam Dan wrote
a piece about we've got a lot of our wealth
tied up in property.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
The problem is that no one has the It's very
hard for people to you know, once you've gone down
a track, Jacob, that we have and people have invested,
and maybe the settings were set wrong quite a long
time ago. And I know people talk about that stock
market crash in the late eighties that and you know,

(01:05:44):
the whole of the country everyone was investing in the
stock market and then it crashed, and then the whole
country got a collective fear of investing outside of property.
So once those decisions have made been made, and we've
we've gone this far down the path that we are,
and we may need imagine a major writing and that
writing might happen whether we want it or not. But

(01:06:07):
it's hard to do it without pain, isn't it. And
that and that pain will be felt at the you know,
at the ballot box, anyone that tries to do it exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:06:16):
Well, yeah, and when it gets that the New Zealand
feeling of egoitarians was really strong, like we really care
about equality, Yeah, we do. And no one wants to
take away someone's money that they've worked hard for, right
because it's not fair. It's just blatantly not fair. Yeah,
But I think we can also recognize that. You know,
I hate to bleep my own case for a minute,

(01:06:36):
but I work forty hours a week, and unless I
find a partner who also works forty hours a week
in a pretty decent job, I have no hope in
hell of owning one bit of earth in this country.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
I mean, where do you where? Where do you want
to live?

Speaker 9 (01:06:51):
I even hawks may, I've got no plans for moving.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Yeah, it's just that because it was recently, because I
interviewed someone recently that said that two people on Oh
you're saying you need a partner, but yeah, two people
on the waves can buy can buy a townhouse for example,
you know what I.

Speaker 9 (01:07:07):
Mean, requils with two people. Yeah, and that's fine, that's
great as it is, like we're lucky to have in
that position that that's available. But I also think in
the spirit of Krewe fairness and being able to give
it a go, anyone should really be able to. And
the problem is is that good people. They are good people,
And I don't want to misconstrue what I'm saying. They
are good people that even though they are holding two

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or three or four or five houses, they're good people
and they're not bastards. That doesn't mean they want to
make everyone poor. But I don't think they realize the
damage they're doing to their children's generation.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
That's all.

Speaker 9 (01:07:41):
That's all I think. I don't think they realize the
damage that they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Yeah, well, thank you for calling, Jacob, and well well
presented of your opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Yeah yeah, nicely said. And a lot of people will
share your your thoughts on that, Jacob, Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Can
you hear your thoughts on how you view billionaires? There's
a lot of pushback on billionaires. Nine to nine to
is the text number as well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Have a chat with the lads on eighty ten eighty
mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
That'd be it as fourteen to three.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
So I said to George rather churlishly, if you're going
to hassle my numbers seeing your numbers, you did, and George,
to his credit, has sent his numbers in. Yes. Around
what tax brackets pay?

Speaker 15 (01:08:26):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
What earners in this country pay? What share of the tax?
So income tax year. Based on ID data and Treasury
distribution reports, the top ten percent of individual earners in
New Zealand pay about fifty percent of all income tax
collected in New Zealand. So the top ten percent pay
half of all the tax pretty much, forty five percent
to fifty percent. This means for every one dollar of

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income tax collected, roughly fifty cents comes from the top
ten percent. The top two percent contribute about seventeen to
twenty percent of all the income tax. The bottom forty
percent of earners contribute less than ten percent of income tax. Jesse,
he makes everyone pay tax, but income tax burden is
heavily carried by the top earners. Yeah, and that's why

(01:09:08):
it's a little, you know, like this whole push that
the reason why you aren't doing well is because that
the people are doing well in the top percent are
greedy as a pretty hard cell. I know, it's sort
of a divide and conquer us versus them kind of
political politics of division, and you know, you blame these

(01:09:32):
other people in society because for what's happening. But you've
got to say, if the top ten percent are paying
fifty percent of the tax, then they are already doing
their part, and you are already taxing the absolute but
Jesus out of them if you're already if you also
include GSD in the situation, so you know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
You're right. And if I'm trying to put my you know,
feet in the in the shoes of people who say
that billionaires are the problem and we need to redistribute
the wealth, I think they feel that the deck is
stacked against them.

Speaker 7 (01:10:04):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Jacob mentioned that he couldn't get into a property. So
there's a whole generation there that feel that the system
is tilted towards those at the top, or older generations,
and they feel like they're missing out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Whether I agree with.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
That, I don't know if I do. There's always a
little bit of luck involved in life, and people who
work hard and get to the top, and we talk
about the billionaires who have been successful, but we always
forget about the thousands and tens of thousands of people
who could have been billionaires but for whatever reason saidly
didn't get to that point.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
It's survival bias, isn't it. You go that this person's
a billionaire because they got there and they always were.
But for everyone that got lucky, there are so many
that risked it all and ended up with absolutely nothing.
So in any kind of economy do we need is
the reward of the potential of being a billionaire? Such

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a big carrot that people are willing to do these
big gambles and risk it all and potentially create incredible businesses.
Do we need a massive carrot? And then when if
you take that carroat away and say, well, there's a
ceiling and I don't know who decides that ceiling of
how rich you are? Yeah, you know, we decide that
amount you're allowed to get to. If we say that,
as then do are people going to take less crazy risks?

Speaker 6 (01:11:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Yeah, that innovation and motivations.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Because you need you need people taking risks for an
economy to grow. Absolutely, don't you need the insane risk
takers and probably one in a thousand of them become believable.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Well, poet, it is ten to three back in a mow,
one in a million.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News
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News Talks EDB. It is seven minutes to three a
couple of weeks before we get to Brian, who owns
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I have no issue with wealthy people, but I also
have the view not all the so called top earners
are living comfortably. People on a wage doing huge hours
are among those top earners, but are nowhere close to

(01:12:07):
being able to live with out paying closer attention to
where their money is going to. The issue is more
with those top five percent in the amount of texts
they managed to avoid compared to the bulk wage earners.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Thank you for that text. This text says, why do
you keep talking about luck with reference to billionaires? I
find the harder I work and plan, the lucky I
am in your world, never mind the hard works, taking sacrifices,
sleepless nights to get there. Yeah, but I mean there's
also definitely luck because you can work really really hard
and come up with a fantastic idea, but the exact

(01:12:38):
right brand name doesn't come to you at the time,
and some it does to someone else. Yep, you know,
there's so many different situations. I mean a classic one,
of course, is the you know, Beta platform as opposed
to VHS. Right, Yeah, so VHS was an inferior platform
to Beta, but VHS, you know, signed the right deals
with the right companies and succeeded, you know, yep, so absolutely,

(01:13:03):
you know success as the saying goes as we're luck
and hard work collide.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Right, Yeah, one hundred percent. Timing. You know, there's many
people that a timing products. They just presented them at
the wrong time. Maybe it was a little bit early
outside of the ze guist of what where the will
was at, So that timing is a mess a part
of it. There'd be thousands there with a great product.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
But yeah, and there so there's lots of people that
absolutely work their butt off and are very talented and
for what there reason things happen, you know exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:13:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
So that's so you know there's there is luck involved.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
Brian good to chat with you.

Speaker 18 (01:13:37):
Yeay, guys, so very very quickly and forty two see
me retired now start of my business fifteen years ago
after a hard slugs in the corporate world, managed to
buire house relatively debt free. Now, so I mean, we
hear about this Welsh distribution, so they also want to
distribute my debt because they can have all of it

(01:13:57):
to play on. One and then the last point I
hear is this tax avoidance. Tax avoidance is illegal. No
one avoids tax. But if you're not smart enough to
understand how our tax laws work, and find what deductions
you can do that are legitimate. Then you need your

(01:14:18):
head read. But if you want to look at my
provisional tax, my provisional tax as around about twenty five
to city thousand every every quarter. So you know I
do pay a lot of tax. But that also means
that I earn a lot. And so you know people
who say, oh, you know, just agree, Well, okay, you're

(01:14:39):
this jealousy. That's what it comes down to. I also
being sent me retired, now give a lot to community
trusts and volunteer at least twenty five hours a week
to other community groups. Good because my business allows me
to do that. Now listen, I'm seeing retired. I don't
need to work as hard as I used to to

(01:15:00):
do that. So what do I do with my time
to apect to the community.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Well good on you, Brian. And would would you say,
just to take it back to billionaires, would you think
that a billionaire, someone in a position with that kind
of money should morally be giving stuff, giving back and
you know, employing for philanthropy where they can.

Speaker 18 (01:15:19):
Do you think this is a moral Yeah, well most
of them do, don't They? Like you got gold Gates
and his foundation. Elon Musk has his just Beazls has
this foundation. Certainly a billionaire that doesn't. They just kids
it all for themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Well, thank you so much for you call, Brian, appreciate it.
Sh We put the billionaires to bear. It's been two hours.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
It's been a full on chat, enjoyable.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
I've got billionaire chat fatigue. Let's move on.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
So yeah, let's talk about zoos and animals. That is
coming up very shortly after News Sport and where they
gets delivered by Ray Lean. That is coming up very shortly.
You're listening to matt and Tylope. You have been a
good afternoon. Stay right here, will be back shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
You're new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
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Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
Sibby, very good afternoon, you welcome back into the show.
Seven past three. Really good to have you with us
as always. So let's have a chat about this story.
A zoo is for sale in New Zealand. This is
Totong's oldest wildlife park. It is hit the market for
sale for the first time in thirty five years. It
was launched by Harold and Eileen Marshall all that time ago,

(01:16:30):
and their son Terry is now the owner. So it's
two hundred has two hundred and eighty animals. That includes pigs,
guinea and the original variety carves, sheep, deer, giant African ostriches, longhorns,
Clydesdale horses. The list goes on, but Terry says, they've
done the dash and now's the time to pass on
this beautiful zoo to some brave soul who wants to

(01:16:51):
take that on.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Say, hang on a minute, what have they got on? There?
Can go again?

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
So this is just a small sample. So they've got
guinea pigs and regular pigs, Guinea pigs, yep, guinea pigs,
and I imagine that Cooney Cooney. You can't go past
to Cooney what with guinea pigs or the guinea pigs
and then the regular role in red Yeah kept in cookie. Yeah,
they're in the calves. So that's nice. Sheep, deer, giant

(01:17:17):
African ostriches. Now that's a selling point, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Right, that's that's the first beast that I've become excited
by out of their collection.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
Yeap, what keeps going on? Wait for this one takes
us long horn. Yeah, yeah, pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
They're not a bad cow.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
Yeah, Clydesdale Horse, big fan.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Of Clydesdale Horse, huge fan of them. And they're Harry Hofs.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
And that is where the listing said least. So, I mean,
look zoo or is that a I.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Guess it's a petting? Is it a collection of Yeah?
I mean what what makes a zoo? I thought you
had to have an elephant in there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
You need a re alligator or something, something a little
bit of Oh I've got a six year old rabbit
as well. I just spotted bed right, So that again
not not sold for you. You need something a little
bit more feisty, a little bit more spicy. I can't
help you there. I'm sorry. There's so there's nothing. There's
nothing that spicy. No pinglings, no pengues, no what else

(01:18:14):
we got here. Let's just see if I can find
something that's that's gonna sell it to me. You got
a giraffe in there? No drafts? No, Oh, there's a goat.
There might be a few goats. Actually, still nothing for you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Well, like, I'm all for the seven, big fan of
it and stuff, but I'm not going to travel a
long way to see a goat, you know. Yeah, what
about a Hyaenah? Yeah they got a hyaena.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Sadly they don't, but that would be amazing if they
did have a hyaena there were there was what you
need if you're going to take on this pitting zoo,
just get some hyaenas in there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
I was got excited about the hyaena.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Yeah, sadly no, they'ven gone there far, but the sounds.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Less like a zoo and more like the farm I
grew up on. Maybe maybe because I grew up around
all a bunch of livestock, It's not as impressive to me,
but absolutely kids would love it. Go out there, pats
some bloody she you know, spend some time with a
giant African emu?

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Was it Ostrich? Pretty close?

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
I think the tomato emo is just Australian.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Yeah, I think they are slightly smaller than the old Austria.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Anyway, Sorry, i've bogged you down. You had you were
going somewhere before I started running a Noah's Ark type
investigation on you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Well, you've got me now, because now I want to
find exactly I need an itinery of all the animals
that I've got on this bidding zoo. But the question
we want to put to you is, I mean, one
who would be brave enough to take on something like that.
That's huge, two hundred and eighty animals, But it might
just be a farming operation. So if you're good with farming,
maybe you know two hundred of those animals is just
sheep and cattle. But have you ever taken on a

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bit of a crazy business similar to this, whether it
was a cinema that you decided was a passion of
yours to do up an old theme park? I mean
there's a lot of stories out there on taking a
bit of a punt on something that's a bit unusual.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Yeah, an unusual company. And look, as I was saying before,
there was a movie We Bought a Zoo starring Matt Damon.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Yep, pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Yeah, I haven't seen it. It's hard boy, yep. That's
a few tragedies in it, but it's heartwarming and stuff.
But there's lots of different theme parks and movie theaters.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
You mentioned, yep, old cinema.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Yeah, that dream business and how did it go? Is
there is there business in is there you know weird
areas that there are businesses you can get into like
a local little museum that people make. Is there people
running museums in school team once and making making a
decent living out of running a museum.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
That's a fantastic one O. Eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is an umber to call nine two nine two?
Would you put something like a campground in that category?
Maybe there's a lot of people that take on a
campground situation, which is that's a bit of a punt.
It's an unusual thing to do to say, you know what,
We're going to quit our corporate jobs and buy a
campground and run that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
And supplementary question I've got on the top of this
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is how many animals?
Is two animals in a domestic setting? So this is
a zoo and I might be mixing up the issues here,
but this is a zoo, right, But like, if you're
just running a house, then how cats is too many?
I'm going to say anything over three? So is there

(01:21:11):
anyone out there that is running more than three cats
and has a good, good argument for say five cats?

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
Yep? And is anyone running six dogs that is crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Just for a laugh?

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
Yeah, just for a laugh.

Speaker 12 (01:21:24):
Dog.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
Six dogs is a lot of m.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Is there anyone that's running as zoo essentially at their
house just for just for fun, you know, like some
people just start collecting so many animals. If you if
you went round to their house, you could you could
charge entrance to get in because they've got so many
different animals going on.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
Yeah, love to hear your thoughts. I e one hundred
and eighty ten eighty so crazy businesses and also how
many animals are you running in your house? Love to
hear from you. It is twelve past three news talks.
That'd be very good afternoon to you. It's quarter bas three.
So we started off this conversation talking about Marshlands Animal
Park and Torong up for sale twelve million bucks. If
you want to be brave, twelve mil it is it's

(01:22:02):
a lot of hic aces, lot of space. Yeah, sixty
three hectares right, So it's no property that's not.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
The combined value of the goat and the guinea pigs. No,
even a petting zoo is still a zoo, says this text.
You're right, Actually that's I was looking for the word
for a zoo with farm animals and is petting zoo,
but it's still a zoo.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Now, I've got a list for you on all of
the animals they've got, so I'm not going to go
through already the ones that you see. You went that
keen on. Here's some new ones for your ol peckers.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
I love an ol packer.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Yeah, turtles and goldfish.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
A lot of time for turtles goldfish take or leave?

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
And I don't actually know what this is, but tea
moor and miniature ponies.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
A team, A team, timu minisi pony.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
A team or miniature pony?

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Oh no, those are yeah from team or.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
Yep, miniature pony?

Speaker 9 (01:22:44):
You like?

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
You like a small small horse?

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Love a Shetland pony? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
That nice so beautiful coat on them? And eels can't
go past eels? Who doesn't like it? I don't like
any you don't like ils?

Speaker 9 (01:22:53):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
This person has texted through nine two. We're running a
zoo at our house. Three dogs, two cats, one dark,
one turkey, seven chickens and a rooster.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Yeah, that's a petting zoo right there, the turkey.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
How about this texture? Hi, guys, our house is eight dogs,
two cats, five goats, a horse, and it's not a
lifestyle blocks.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
It's a life seat to eight dogs. You're a brave person.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Wow, I have a mini zoo. I have two highland
pet cows, four pet sheep, two horses, two water dragons. Terrifying,
and two blue tongues.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
What's a blue?

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Two cats? Is that this person running two blue tongues
in their mouth? Or is that some kind of animal?

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
Oh it's a lizard, a little gecko, blue tongue, g ecko.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Wow. Nice Sarah, welcome to the show. Hello, you're running
a few animals?

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Yes?

Speaker 20 (01:23:47):
Yeah, I just got in the can. Who's you guys talking?
And I was like, we fall firmly in that category
of So I'm a bitness and I bring home work.
So we've got four cats, a dog, four chickens, two
rats indoor and outdoor fish and missus duck who's a

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wild duck who's just brought ten babies home. So, and
that's all on a very normal sized section.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Okay, So can I just go back, just so, can
I just do a bit of a roll corps on
your Noah's Ark situation?

Speaker 14 (01:24:22):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
You've got four cats, four cats, a dog and a dog.
How many rats are these? Free range rats? They're just
living in the attic or their pet rats.

Speaker 20 (01:24:32):
Yeah, no, they gorgeous little pet rats. So they're lovely,
lovely little boys that are not the wild ones from outside.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
So, and you got missus Duck with ten duck lings. Yeah,
and what am I missing there? I've mister, I've got
I've got your cats, I've got your dog chickens.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
How many chickens?

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Four chickens?

Speaker 20 (01:24:51):
Four chickens.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
That's not a bad setup. I mean, how much of
your day is spent feeding these animals.

Speaker 20 (01:24:57):
They are the first thing we do in the morning,
the first thing I do when I get home. And
then yeah, the weekends are admin for the animals in
the tanks. Pages.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
And I've got a question for you, seriously, Missus Duck
has gone off and come back with ten ducks. Were
the eggs involved in the process or has she stolen
these ducks off ducklings off another duck.

Speaker 20 (01:25:20):
Yeah, she's she's brought them home. She we've been feeding
her west the neighbors, so that she goes between a
couple of houses and.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Now she's kidded up, kidnapped ten baby ducks from some
other poor So there were there were eggs involved. She
laid the eggs.

Speaker 20 (01:25:38):
Yes, I just don't know where there were I see.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
So this isn't a crime streets. Yeah, but so there's
a there's a there's there's a mister duck around somewhere there.

Speaker 20 (01:25:49):
Drake it was, Yeah, but we haven't seen him for
a while.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
I think he's typical, Yeah, typical as he's done them.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
It's just flying away scarpet.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Yeah, responsibility. I thought ducks and drakes often appeared for
on our phone. We had mister and Missus Dark also
well named you.

Speaker 20 (01:26:12):
Guys, I google it, and apparently they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
They don't know. I'll tell you what our Mister Dark
was a terrible piece. He was always hassling their hens,
was he? Yeah, it was getting up to some into
species freakingness that I didn't approve of.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Yeah, that's bad behavior. That is we want to see.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Sarah. Are you getting a lot of these animals because
you feel sorry for them when they come into the
clinic because you're a viet nurse.

Speaker 12 (01:26:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:26:41):
Yeah. So two of the cats are little where they
were little strays that came in and that what we
call foster fail. So they come home temporarily and never leave.
One of the chickens was in somebody's backyard locally, and
they didn't know where she came from. So we went
and brought her home and she lives with like just

(01:27:02):
we just added her to the flock. The dog we
got deliberately, the rats we deliberately, but the others we
just kind of collect along the way.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
So that's lovely. And missus ducks is she loud? And
side probably know no longer now that she's.

Speaker 20 (01:27:16):
Got what if she could, but we don't let her.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
So what's going to happen?

Speaker 20 (01:27:21):
You're too far on the crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Train, Sarah, you're looking down the barrel of having eleven ducks.

Speaker 20 (01:27:30):
Yeah, well, though they'll fly away when they're ready. We've
said neighborhood wild ducks before, and they don't stay. They
once they get fully seither and big enough to look
after themselves, they actually they go. I don't know where
they go, but they go.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
What's the collective noun for ducks? I guess it's just
a is it a wardling?

Speaker 16 (01:27:50):
That's a flock?

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
That makes sense? Sounds That was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Mate, That that makes that makes a lot more sense.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
Sarah, thank you very much. That's a heak of an operation,
you guys, are running all the best out there, listening.

Speaker 20 (01:28:02):
To everyone with all of their versions? What about crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
What about this?

Speaker 6 (01:28:07):
Sarah?

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
You're like this text to come through. We have fifteen dogs,
two cats, a cockertoo, big pud, too many goats, one horse,
five chucks, two ducks plus three wild ducks. Wow, see
it looks like ducks. You have one duck. Suddenly you've
got eleven ducks.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
Yeah, ducks, they multiply very fast.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Thank you so much for your call, Serah, good luck
ant were cheers, Sarah, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
So can you hear from you? How many animals are
you running in your household? Can you beat? Serah? I
mean there's so many ticks coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Is that paradise ducks? The ones that mate for life? Yeah,
maybe that's not right. Yeah, mister duck was a terrible pest.
That sounds usually when missus Duck died.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
He was batman.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
He was a bad man.

Speaker 9 (01:28:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
Twenty two past three.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty
eight on news talks, Eppy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
There's twenty five bar three. So we were talking about
this petting zoo up for sale. But it hairs gone
into how many animals are you running at your particular household?
It is great, we'll get some fantastic dicks.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
I find so much joy in just these lists that
these lists of animals that people are running, keep them
coming through. One hundred eighty ten eighty nine two. This
Texas is twelve sheep, two horses, two dogs, six cats,
fifteen chickens, five ducks, four geese, six turkeys, sex turkey,
six turkeys, one rabbit, two cocker teals, one canary, one turtle,

(01:29:34):
pond fish, and some pet cows all on our dairy farm.
That sounded like a Christmas song.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
That is an old McDonald situation. That is fantastic bit.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Yeah yeah wow. So I'm just looking at this here. Yeah,
that's that's that's impressive. The amount of turkeys they're running.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
What do you do with it? Like genuine question? Why
would you have six turkeys?

Speaker 6 (01:29:57):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
I mean is that just save them up for Christmas time?
Or are they just genuine pets? I mean they just
sound like a pain in the ass turkeys.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
We ended up with the spit. We ended up with
six cats on the I grew up in because I
think they just sort of were in the general area,
and then they just come past the house after a
while and stay there. My dad had to build a
cat hotel that was like six stories high, and then
they turned the cats, turned the bottom story into an abattoir.
They just bought dead rabbits back there on a farm.

(01:30:27):
You can, you can, you can become a hub for cats.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
Yeah, you can't turn them away, can you?

Speaker 6 (01:30:32):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
How many animals are you operating in your particular household? Y'a, Linda?
How are you good?

Speaker 15 (01:30:41):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
How are you very good? So you hear quite a
few pets as.

Speaker 15 (01:30:44):
A kid, Yeah, when I was when I was younger,
we my grandma lived with Mom and I. We had
seven dogs, seven cats. We had a crimpy hinder. We
also had take any pokes. My brother had twenty five pigeons.
He sold them, but they flew back to our place

(01:31:08):
homing pigeons.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
Sorry, so twenty five homing pigeons. That's a scam. You
sell them and they come back.

Speaker 18 (01:31:15):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 15 (01:31:16):
And then one of our cats, because we've got a
creek behind us, fall in this mess of eel and
donates it to my nena and lift it on your bids.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
Still alive.

Speaker 15 (01:31:27):
W I've got wonderful memories of having all these animals, you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
Know, growing up, So that is lovely.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
Did you have a favorite?

Speaker 15 (01:31:39):
I liked all my animals. I loved all of them,
so yeah, I can't really say I had a favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
So how many animals are you running at the moment?
You lenda, Oh, I'm down to one cat.

Speaker 15 (01:31:49):
That's enough for me.

Speaker 8 (01:31:50):
I'm on my own.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
That's manageable. One cat's definitely manage That's okay. Hi, Matt
and Tyler. We have a life sentence block and running
two cours five sheep which now have seven lambs, five
guinea fowl, along with as many wild ducks that want
to free feed, two rabbits and a doc.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
I love that dark of the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Yeah, they're mobile. How many ducks? Yeah, their wings give
them the ability to just join whatever. We used to
have got a problem with geese joining the sheep right
because because geese can get confused and they just think
they're a sheep. But because they're more agru than your
average sheep, they end up ruling the sheep.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
It happens quite a lot geese just fly in and
say I rule now.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
People will back me up that that geese gets into
your sheep and then they start running the whole shop.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
Nine nine to two. If you face that and also
love how many animals you're operating in your house. It
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Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we've been talking
about Tyrang's oldest wildlife park, Marshall's Animal Park. It's up
for sale for the first time since it was set
up thirty five years ago, and along with the sixty
five hectares of property you also get two hundred and
eighty animals. So we've asked the question how many animals
is too much? And how many you're operating?

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
So this has sort of turned into a list of
the amount of animals that people have.

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
Yeah love types. Yeah, okays.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
Another one this is from Chris. Three dogs, two Border
Collies and a Pomeranian. I see okay, right, So that's
the domination of the three dogs. Yeah, five cats, lost
count of the chucks, an African gray parrot, three cows,
a horse to goose, two guinea fowl and the missus
is trying to convince me to let her get more geese.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
And some lambs all on nine acres. Cheers love it, Chris.
I actually think Chris is on the line there. So
I got some questions. Get a Chris. Yeah here you
got good mate. So how's the missus going with the
convincing you to get those extra lemmys?

Speaker 5 (01:35:04):
Oh yeah, it's a bit of a struggle, isn't it.
Lamb we had lambs last year but that went that
went south real quick. I won't go into those details,
but yeah, she wouldn't mind some more lambs for free
the next year.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
But eating lambs, yeah, I can't go wrong with that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Are your African grade parrot?

Speaker 15 (01:35:26):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
They're incredibly smart, aren't they? The other one says, yeah,
you was not pretty clear, all right talking?

Speaker 5 (01:35:34):
Yeah, he's my partner's bird. But he imitates my voice
and accent down to a tee And it's quite infuriating actually,
considering he hates my guts something fierce. I go, I
go to give him a scratch, and that he just
tries to bite me and he's bitten me in a

(01:35:55):
bloody hurts.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
And so what of the sevistapole goose whether he g
is at uh so.

Speaker 5 (01:36:04):
I didn't know this until after it's got them. They're
actually somewhat endangered geese, the Eastern European breed and quite fluffy,
so if you look them up on Google, extremely fluffy
looking geese, beautiful.

Speaker 9 (01:36:24):
We got them.

Speaker 5 (01:36:25):
We got them because we've got halts around the place
and supposed to be good protectors and keeping the hawks away.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
Right. Hey, have you had any weird experiences with your
African gray parrot? Because I had a friend who they
had one on the farm and they went away and
when they came back, the parrot had been impersonating the
working dogs. So they came back and the dog had
been the parrot had been whistling, and that just running
the sheep ragged to the point where the sheep were

(01:36:55):
basically falling down dead with sweat because African gray parrot
had just been hurting them all day.

Speaker 12 (01:37:03):
I haven't had anything like that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:04):
No, but he does tell the dogs to get out, Yeah,
shout up and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
Yeah, love it listen of course, ye no, no, they
don't listen anyone. Hey, thank you so much, good luck
out there.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
You set up.

Speaker 9 (01:37:20):
Yeers God.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
All right, good luck mate, Thank you very much. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
How many animals you're operating in your place? Love to
hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
We have a one times bearded dragon, four cats, one dog,
eleven chickens, three pet lambs and three cows. This is
a fabulous chet. We aren't so crazy after all.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
Yeah, exactly right. Love to hear your situation nine two
nine two or oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty it
is twenty four to four back in a month.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
It's a fresh take on took back. It's Matt Heath
and Tyler Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty youth talk.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
B afternoon to you and it's twenty one to form.
We're talking about how many animals you operate in in
your household.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Yeah, so I was talking before about the phenomena of
geese skinning confused and thinking they're sheep and moving in
with the sheet on your farm. You looked at me, Tyler,
like I was making it up.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
You don't beieve Yeah, I know, I did not believe
it happened to.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Us at our house. I can show the pictures I'm
looking happened regularly. We must have been on the geese
flight pant plan. So a goose is going somewhere see
some sheep and goes, nah, I'm going to I'm going
to join the flock and live as a sheep. The
problem is that they get they get very bulshy, and
they start being head cheap. But then you know, the

(01:38:34):
sheep gets shorn and the goose doesn't recognize the sheep
and loses it or against discompopulated and sometimes flies off
because it goes, what are these beasts?

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
These aren't my mates?

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
But yeah, yeah, mate says the sex's a true story.
I've seen it myself. A goose turned up at my
uncle's farm, decided it was a sheep and spent a
couple of years running with him. It would be border
into the yards with all the sheep and even go
through the dip. I think it got bored after a
couple of years it flew off, probably because the ram
wasn't giving it the loving he was giving the other girls.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Yeah fair enough, so.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
You don't want that from a goose's perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
Yeah, that's a tough situation for the ghost. But I'm sorry, mate,
I didn't believe you, but clearly it is a thing.

Speaker 14 (01:39:14):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
It is a phenomena. Yeah, geese that think they're sheep
love it. But you never see a sheep flying off
and joining a flock of geese, Yes, never see it
never goes back the other way.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
George, How are you mate?

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
Only in its dreams?

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 13 (01:39:32):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
I've got a story that I think you and the
older gentlemen of your listeners will have a chuckle. And
when I get to and that was the end of it,
that has been I'll finish. Okay, cut me off before that.

Speaker 6 (01:39:46):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:39:48):
I got a pet mouse and I was fifteen. Little
white mouse did find kept in a little shoe box.
Got took petty on it and made it a mousehouse,
which is two story large, like two apple boxes on
top of each other, lovely up and downs, up and downs,
you know, forty kilog you know, forty pound apple boxes.
Those wouldn't win, and on top of each other. And

(01:40:09):
put a ladder up between the two stories, and made
bedrooms down the story and upstairs. I made all the
play area with round about things to run on and
do this, that and the other. And it's sorredly enjoyed itself,
and I'd take it out and i'd put it on
my shoulder and I would go under my jersey when
I went out, and i'd bike out with this mouse
under my jersey on the shoulder. And when we went

(01:40:29):
to buy tomatoes from a lady that poked its head out.
That was quite interesting experience. So anyway, this I got,
I took pity to this mouse, and I got another
one to keep it company because I didn't know what
gender it was, So anyway, yeah, that was good. They
enjoyed itself and spent a lot of time in the
cotton wall bedroom get out of sight. We ended up

(01:40:52):
with about thirty after two generations. And my father was
there one Sunday afternoon with the mouse box out of
the shed, sitting on the ground with a shearing sheep
shearing shears, and he's going to demolish them. No, no, no, no,
I'll take them to school. So I picked the thing
up on the next Monday and I put it on
the back of my pushbike and I bought the school

(01:41:13):
with this huge box and full of mice to school.
When my biology teacher was rapped because he wanted to
have something a class that was alive regarding animals, and
that was fine, and we had a biology lesson at
one point where he decided we could use these and
every kid, every boy at Boys High Palmerston North at

(01:41:35):
fifth form was allocated the mouse and there was a
bell jar with chlorine in it thoroughform minute and everybody
bopped them off and then we all dissected them. Okay
and up to saying them that was the end of that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
Yeah, wow, you put those mice to good use, I
think in the end, George.

Speaker 4 (01:41:52):
But it was the most memorable biology class everybody could
remember and talk about for years.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
Did the parents advice?

Speaker 4 (01:42:01):
The original of the parents knew and they all do
it work.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
Don't tell them the parents, the parents of the kids,
I thought you're talking about the parents of the mice,
all the mice, all.

Speaker 4 (01:42:13):
The mice before Pess came.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Absolutely the rip. George's thirty mice.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
Yen eighty is a number to call, Sharon. How are
you good?

Speaker 15 (01:42:27):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
What animals are you running? Sharon?

Speaker 21 (01:42:31):
Well, at the moment we've only got four sheep, one
cow and carp and two cats. But at one stage
we've had, like they say, lifestyle blocks about lifestyle and
more of a work life kind of balanced.

Speaker 9 (01:42:49):
I try to do that.

Speaker 21 (01:42:50):
But we've had a fellow deer, We've had pegs, We've
had goats, We've had I had ninety nine chickens, which
is because you were allowed more than one hundred chickens property. Yeah,
I am shock. We back then you could sell the
eggs to the shop without any of the dramas you

(01:43:11):
have now. And we've had used to breathe given for
the point of dogs, and we've had yeah, cats, Like
I said, what else is be had or pigs? We
had purgancy for now and he tried to spreading things
except lamas and now packers. Really it's quite fun.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
Well, why no, Lama's new packers.

Speaker 21 (01:43:37):
We just didn't really bother with those.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
I mean you have to actively go and get them.
They don't just appear.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
Had shown them as well. I take it you know
they've got the long coats.

Speaker 15 (01:43:49):
Yeah, I guess so too.

Speaker 21 (01:43:50):
No, we just I don't know, we just never bothered.

Speaker 12 (01:43:52):
It's not we don't like them, it's just being never
bothered with the nettle.

Speaker 21 (01:43:55):
But the deer were the best. They were absolutely beautiful,
and the pant they were lovely, and they kept it
nice and good looking.

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
Yeah, good on you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
You ever going to get up to those kind of
numbers again this year? And you think you're going to
be running in ninety nine chickens again in your life?

Speaker 15 (01:44:09):
No?

Speaker 21 (01:44:09):
No, Well, the problem was that we didn't have any
get schools on our garage to meet when they kept
coming and waking it up at two three in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
So off with ninety nine heads.

Speaker 3 (01:44:20):
They would have gone to a good stomach, I'm sure. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
How many animals are you operating in your household? Love
to hear from you in nine two nine two is
the text number, Julie, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 4 (01:44:35):
Good thing?

Speaker 17 (01:44:36):
Who? I haven't got them at the moment, But I
had two black and white brother Ray, who I called
Maka and Latte nice, and I had hate to stay
at my brother's face for a while while while my
house was getting fixed. And one day when I was here,
I saw this little black flash out the corner of

(01:44:56):
my eye, and they went for they had catch where
he lived, where they answer they had catch with it
as so I couldn't felt pretty for this POI little cat,
so I hear it. And then I managed to get
hold of a humine catching cat thing and caught it
in the trap and brought it home to my place
and I let it out in my lounge room, which

(01:45:18):
was now the cat's room. And one day she was
always always hide behind the door when I went into
feed her and tried to day and make sure she
had food, work and clean as a trades, et cetera,
et cetera, And she hide behind the door. And when
I opened the door, I saw that call out Holly,
and she go at me. And then one day I

(01:45:42):
was in my bedroom and I was coming through to
the kitchen and I heard this little noise and I thought,
you know what's fair? I thought, so it's this little bird.

Speaker 22 (01:45:51):
And I thought, no, it's not.

Speaker 17 (01:45:52):
It's kittens. Since she had three little kittens on me
known to me, wow, And that was what that was,
what all the spitting was about. And it took me
exactly six months from the day quarter till the day
I was actually able to touch her.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
She was just so wild, right, And so whatever happened
to that particular cat, that particular.

Speaker 17 (01:46:14):
Cat is still here. Her three babies. We went to
one week to two weeks sorr. We went to cat
Rescoo and one went to a friend of mine's a
friend of a friend of mine, and I still see
pictures of that one. And I got Holly Spade. And
then this little black, half grown skitty chitten tuned up
and I got a trap and trapped her as well,

(01:46:36):
and she's now in with Holly, and she's also Spade.
And I've got one dog at the present time. And
I think that's about it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
Nice. That is plenty for anybody. Cheerly, thank you very much.
The old wildcats A couple of teks here before to
play some messages. Guys. I have some sheep called Sela, Teddy, Pip,
Pop Monkey, Monty, Blackfoot, Million, Molly Buster, Ziggy Babs, and
a ram called Elvis. I've got a pony also called Patch,
who Elvis craw with, so they were best mates. And Luna,

(01:47:10):
my dog. Six Paradise Ducks visit every year too. Peel
but love it. That's from GeV.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
This is a wholesome story. When Top Gun two came out,
our kids had a pet lamb named Maverick. Then a
Canadian gosling ended up with the mob of you. So
I caught it and put it in with Meverick. So
it was Maverick goose reunion.

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
Robby. That is nice.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
Cheers Robbie here.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
That is a beautiful story. Right. Oh, eight, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? How
many animals are you operating in your house? Bagtory? Shortly?
It is twelve to four.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used.

Speaker 3 (01:47:47):
DOORGSB newstorgs their b It is nine minutes to four. Taylor.
You've had a fear workers sheep over your well animals
all together over your lifetime.

Speaker 22 (01:48:01):
Yeah, guys, so in a past life, I guess you
could say me. My ex partner and her mother in
law lived. They last while blocked about twenty two acres
or so, and there were well over one hundred and
fifty sheep at one point.

Speaker 12 (01:48:17):
Too many six cows.

Speaker 22 (01:48:21):
We had two Kearney Kearney pigs and a New Zealand
white and they were all breeding pigs. So at any
stage there were probably twelve plus tuglet six dogs between
the two houses. We had five cats up at our
place because my partner was my partner was a cat rescuer,

(01:48:47):
like she fostered cats, like while they were being put
up for adoption for other houses. Yes, you know, people
wanted to adopt kittens or cats and stuff. So she
took that on for herself. And then on top of that,
we had obviously I've got three kids, so three three
range kids as well.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
That's a that's a lot of work for not much
financial gain. What you're running there, isn't it that That's
that's why that skit starts to get called a life
sentence block over a lifestyle block. Tyler. Yeah, Taylor.

Speaker 22 (01:49:20):
Although although the plus side was or the home kill
you know, we we we did, we did do home
kill as well. So obviously throughout the year in different
phases would have all that kind of different meat available
for us.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
But were you eating, were you're eating the old packer?

Speaker 15 (01:49:40):
No?

Speaker 23 (01:49:40):
No, no, that was a that was a neighbors right
right right, because because look with an interesting though, like
you know, with the l packer with the long neck,
that is there good eating?

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
And then I mean you you probably I'm probably asking
the one person because you have an eat one Taylor,
But is a good eating in the el packer's neck.

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
It's a good question, do you know, Taylor, No, I
have Nick. Oh yeah, you can get l packer Nick rosettes.
They cut from the neck with a central bone kept in.
This cut is best suited to moist, low and slow
cooking methods.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
So there you go, jelicious. You were about to say something, Taylor.

Speaker 22 (01:50:20):
Oh yeah, I was just about to say that. These days, however,
I think far too far, too many animals as well.
Behind me, I have one dog and I call it
quits at that these days.

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
Yeah. Nice, you've learned, you've learned. Yeah, yeah, very good. Right,
just another couple of texts then we'll wrap this one up. Afternoon,
Just listening to your program on the way home. We
have a lifestyle block with which my husband works from
as a master seddler. We have three horses, ten sheep,
two cows, twelve hens, two cats and two dogs. Love
your show on the way home. I live around top

(01:50:52):
or Cheers from Chrissy.

Speaker 9 (01:50:53):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
Guys have a ship called Sola, Teddy Pit, Pop Monkey, Monty, Blackfoot, Millie,
Molly Buster, Ziggy Babs, and a ram called Elvis.

Speaker 3 (01:51:03):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
I have a pony called Patch, who Elvis grew up with,
so they are best mates. And my dog six Paradise
Ducks visit every year too, you go, gav Yeah, living
in the dream fantastic A right, I think that's where
we'll leave it. Yeah, all right. That brings us to
the end of another edition of Matt and Tyler Afternoons
on a news talk as z B. Thank you so

(01:51:25):
much for all your calls and texts. It's been a
fantastic time. The Sir Paul Holmes Broadcast of the Year.
Heather Duplessy Allen is up next on the show. But Tyler,
I wanted to play you this. Look, I haven't managed
to organize the song I wanted to play, So we're
just gonna have to We're just gonna have to let.

Speaker 3 (01:51:45):
It go where we just see. I mean, we've got
that is that coming through? Here we go. We'll look
forward to this, will it be? I mean we've had
so many various conversations that it could be anything.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
Okay, So I'm gonna give you five seconds to name
why I'm playing the song when I'm finally playing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
It, Okay, Right, I'm looking forward to this. The anticipation
is high. We're just waiting for that to come through,
Andrew anytime. Now we've only got we've only got about
forty seconds left of the show mates. We've had a hurry.

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
What could it possibly?

Speaker 3 (01:52:13):
What you have to sing it? Andrew? I think, all right, you,
oh mate? Well worth the way. It's pure imagination from
the original Willy Wonka movie. Because we had Debra who
called in about some sort of chocolatier who became a
billionaire by employing some small people in some far flung country,

(01:52:34):
and we all assume it was probably Willy Wonka she.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
Was talking about. I'm concerned that Deborah watched the Willy
Wonka movie, the original Gene Wilder movie. Out got confused.
I thought it was documentary and rang in us to
tell us the story, the success story of your young
chocolate tear.

Speaker 3 (01:52:51):
All right, we got there.

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
It brings us in the show. See you tomorrow afternoon.
Until then, give him a taste of key where you
seem busy?

Speaker 6 (01:52:58):
Will you go?

Speaker 5 (01:52:59):
All right?

Speaker 9 (01:52:59):
Then?

Speaker 6 (01:53:00):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
Love you.

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
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