November 12, 2025 • 10 mins
A marine biologist made the news after saying he wants to meet the shark who bit his face again, and it's prompted a debate about sharks.
Shark attacks have sparked safety concerns about the ocean's leading apex predator, but one expert has been quick to label the fear around sharks 'sensationalised'.
Marine biologist and Shark Week presenter Dr Riley Elliott says people kill more sharks on average per year - and they should be more afraid of us.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talks'd be follow
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Doctor Riley Elliott. He is a marine biologist and presenter
on Discovery Channel Shark Week No One Has Shark Man.
He's spent a career studying sharks and has long been
an advocate for the misunderstood apex predator of the sea,
and he joins us on the line. Now, Riley, how
are you good? Afternoon?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Good afternoon, guys, how are we going?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Very good? Thanks for talking to us? Now, Riley, should
sharks be more scared of humans or humans scared of sharks?
Speaker 5 (00:41):
I think if you went with simple maths and look
at the statistics of who kills who the most, you know,
humans kill one hundred million sharks a year and sharks,
you know, tragically kill about six to ten people a year.
So I think the sharks should definitely be more afraid
of us. And in the commercial fishing fleets that do
most of that damage.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Do you why do you think we spend so much
time fearful of sharks? Is it just because of that
movie that came out in the seventies, Jaws? Because with
the limited amount of attacks and the limited amount of deaths,
even though there's some terrible tragic ones that absolutely happened,
and of course there was that one in New Zealand
and two and why he But do you think it
(01:21):
has been sense likely? It seems like sensationalism. Sensationalized is
that a word sensualized? It's not sensualized.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
It's look that the movie Jaws obviously had a huge
part of playing it. But I think it's just the
boogieman factor. And I did a corporate speaking event the
other day about this't it? And it's very mirroring the
Boogieyman factor to the Jaws factor, because we all know
what the Boogeyman is, but you don't probably actually know
what it is at all.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I had to google it.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
It was like a sixth sixteenth century monster they created
to make kids sleep, and they said that they didn't sleep,
it would crawl out of the under the bed and
grab them.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And it's just like a terrifying thing.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
And it's the fact that it's under somewhere where you
can't see that it is terrifying. And I think that's
the same thing with a shark, Like if we go
walk into the savannahs well number one, you're expecting to
see a line.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Number two.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
If it nails you, you probably be like, well, I
asked for it. Whereas we go float on the ocean
and we see it as like a recreation area, even
though it's the absolute wild and there is this animal
that looks beneath you, you don't see it. So I
think I think there's an element of just that boogieyman factor.
But also, to be honest, it's probably one of the
(02:37):
worst ways you could go is being you know, taken
by a monster.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You know, so.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
It's obviously not statistically justified the amount we fear them,
because like everything you see around you kills more people
than sharks, like pencils or bees or whatever. But like
you know, at the end of the day, we're terrified
of them.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
And you know, it's changed.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
A lot through people getting exposed information sharks themselves and
learning more about them.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I was really skewed of sharks, and you know, even
to the point where it's sometimes think about them. When
I was swimming in a pool in Central Auckland, but
I went swimming with some sharks and a weird thing happens.
And tell me if this has happened to you. I mean,
you've got you You've had so much experience with sharks,
but there comes a point where they stop being monsters
and they sort of just become big fish when you're
(03:26):
looking at them, oh one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
I mean on my license plate it's like shark ram,
but below it feared to fascination. It literally happens like that,
I click of the finger and I used to do
a lot of shark eer tourism.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
It's how I transition, so to speak.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
And as soon as you get eyes on them and
you're in their domain with a mask on, you know
in good clarity water that the fear isn't there, and
you realize they don't actually care about.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
You at all. Yeah, they're being on with their day
and you actually just start enjoying it.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
And like you say, they just become these big, beautiful
fish and you want more.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
And I mean that's really what drove me on my trajectory.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
There's there's a much different feeling though, when you're floating
on a surfboard and bad visibility at dusk.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
You're dawn, which is what we all do as surfers,
and to.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Be you know, brutally honest, I'm definitely afraid of sharks
when I surf, like you should be because you're not
playing by the rules. It's like, like I said before,
it's like playing tennis and the savannahs, but you're blindfolded.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Now. Yeah, well it's just but it's the risks you're
willing to take to do what you do.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
You know, mountaineers, skiers, they take on avalanches. It's terrifying
to me, but you know, they do their research, they
figure out what the season is, where to go, They've
got mitigating, mitigating measures, and and we do do that
as surfers too. So at the end of the day,
I think if you go play in a wild animal's environment,
you know, you generally got to take on some risk
with it.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, how smart aren't sharks? Are they a steep above
regular fish and maybe a steep below auca and dolphin?
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Ah, Like, I'm almost insulted with how I have to
add to that because it's it's let me put it
this way, they're the longest existing animal on earth, so
they've been around before trees, before any other animal, so
they have four hundred million years of instinct built into them.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
They're born you know, most of them.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Like a great white's born at one point five meters
dumped by its mum, she leaves no print or guidance.
Yet that thing can navigate around an entire ocean, get
to some places at the right season for food, migrate
to another for another point, find its mates to mate
in the season.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
You know that no one teaches them that, and they
somehow can do it magically.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
And you know, they do have senses I think that
are more mechanistic, you know, like like more like a
you know, robotic in.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
The sense that they're that refined.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
They don't almost waste time on emotion. They're just they're
just getting on with their job. And so I think
there's a big difference between like an orca dolphin mentality
and a shark. And I think, to be honest, that's
why I feel far more comfortable swimming with a shark
than an orca, because an orca might just wake up
and be pissed off that day and have an emotional
flare out of it, you know, versus a shark, which
(06:01):
can be quite predictable if you understand what you're looking.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
For, right, Yeah, that that kind of that kind of
makes sense. The predictability is same thing with the people
that deal with you know, crocs and such. So can
you fight off a shark?
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Well, funny you say that because a kite surfer in
Margaret River in Western Australia just got smoked by a
great white when he was kite surfing and he landed
on it after it ejected him out of the air,
and he started bashing it with his hands. And you
can imagine the shark it thought that this was like
a fish skimming on the surface and whack number one,
I get home into five glass in his mouth number two.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
So that's getting feed into all hell on its head.
Until's oubt of that.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Because sharks aren't stupid, they don't take on foreign situations.
They've evolved to hunt very specific prey and so if
all of a sudden the shark realizes, oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
That's not what I thought it was.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
You know, ninety eight percent of great white attacks on people,
the shark never comes back, unfortunately. No, it's about getting
you know, medical assistance asat because they've got very sharp
teeth and we usually bleed unfortunately. But you know, sharks
don't eat people, they don't hunt people. They make mistakes sometimes,
(07:16):
but you know people are, oh whatever, you surely they
eat people.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
But it's like we can all accept the shark is
very good at what it does. It's a very capable predator,
and we suck in the ocean.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Compared to everything else from that, so if they wanted
to hunt us, they'd be eating us every single day
because we're pretty easy to.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Gat Yeah, speaking of catching, how how do you actually
go about tagging a great white shark? What's the process
of that?
Speaker 5 (07:43):
So we just tagged fifteen down at Stuart Island this
last summer, and what we use is basically a spear
gun that's customized, you know, to.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
The right power.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
It's got like a tip on the end of it
that inserts a dart, so it's kind of piercing the
ear of the shark, but it's at the base of
the dorsal fin. And then a little string holds onto
a tag that floats, and when the shark comes up
to the surface, the tag connects with a satellite into
my computer and tells us where.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
The sharks are. So you basically lure the shark.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
We got to where the sharks naturally aggregate, and then
you lure the sharks along the side of the boat
and you take a very specific spear gunshot to launch
the data and under the skin and the shark kind
of goes what was that like? When you get a
year pierced and it starts circling around doing its normal thing,
and we're able to track them anywhere in the world,
and you know you can you can download literally the
(08:33):
Great White app and you can see where the fifteen
sharks are right.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Now and what it calls.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, very cool.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
So people can sponsor tags.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
You know, you sponsor a tag, you name your shark,
you can see anywhere.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
How do you do that?
Speaker 5 (08:50):
You can go to the Sustainable Ocean Society website and
there's a lot of information on there.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Just look up my profiles.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
On my social media's and there's a lot of information
I've been posting recently about offering sponsorship. People can, like
I say, sponsor a tag. It's about four thousand dollars.
They're very expensive, but the scientific equipment and you name
your shark and then you and the public and see
where these sharks go for you know, a year or more.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
That's cool because you'd be like, hey, do you want
to see my shark? Here, this is where it is.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
It is fascinating.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
They go, you know, as far as a couple are
up in Tonga, a couple are off Sydney right now.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Up in the Great Berier, reached New Caledonia.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
One was down by Nelson, one was down at Stuart Island,
so that they get around.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, you got a favorite. I'm just looking at We've
got Happy and Bubbles, who was kind of circling around Australia.
Shingo was up near Tonga, which is really nice.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Well, I mean I found that one fascinating because it's
right in the Vivoo Island group, and some of my
friends who do while watching up there actually saw it,
which is pretty incredible because not many people realize that
these sharks go up to the tropics in our winter.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Like I said, they're not stupid.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
They got there for thermo benefits and to follow the
well migrations.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
So yeah, Shingo is really cool. But I've always liked Bubbles.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Because I just love it when people name them not
jaws or not something terrifying, and it's like it takes
off that first, you know, layer of fear, and then
people go oh okay, I'll hear what bubbles does.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, breaks down a lot of that fear. Riley.
It's been really great to chat with you. Thank you
very much for coming on and giving us your expertise,
and hopefully we'll catch up again soon.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
No, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
If you want a sponsor a shark, look up my
social media as I go. That's a stain the Ocean
Society website. So thank you very much for having me. Guys,
have a great afternoon.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah you too, and that's great. We'll put that information
up on our website as well. That is doctor Riley
Elliott no One as shark Man.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
For more from News Talk st B, listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talks'd be follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Doctor Riley Elliott. He is a marine biologist and presenter
on Discovery Channel Shark Week No One Has Shark Man.
He's spent a career studying sharks and has long been
an advocate for the misunderstood apex predator of the sea,
and he joins us on the line. Now, Riley, how
are you good? Afternoon?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Good afternoon, guys, how are we going?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Very good? Thanks for talking to us? Now, Riley, should
sharks be more scared of humans or humans scared of sharks?
Speaker 5 (00:41):
I think if you went with simple maths and look
at the statistics of who kills who the most, you know,
humans kill one hundred million sharks a year and sharks,
you know, tragically kill about six to ten people a year.
So I think the sharks should definitely be more afraid
of us. And in the commercial fishing fleets that do
most of that damage.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Do you why do you think we spend so much
time fearful of sharks? Is it just because of that
movie that came out in the seventies, Jaws? Because with
the limited amount of attacks and the limited amount of deaths,
even though there's some terrible tragic ones that absolutely happened,
and of course there was that one in New Zealand
and two and why he But do you think it
(01:21):
has been sense likely? It seems like sensationalism. Sensationalized is
that a word sensualized? It's not sensualized.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
It's look that the movie Jaws obviously had a huge
part of playing it. But I think it's just the
boogieman factor. And I did a corporate speaking event the
other day about this't it? And it's very mirroring the
Boogieyman factor to the Jaws factor, because we all know
what the Boogeyman is, but you don't probably actually know
what it is at all.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I had to google it.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
It was like a sixth sixteenth century monster they created
to make kids sleep, and they said that they didn't sleep,
it would crawl out of the under the bed and
grab them.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And it's just like a terrifying thing.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
And it's the fact that it's under somewhere where you
can't see that it is terrifying. And I think that's
the same thing with a shark, Like if we go
walk into the savannahs well number one, you're expecting to
see a line.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Number two.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
If it nails you, you probably be like, well, I
asked for it. Whereas we go float on the ocean
and we see it as like a recreation area, even
though it's the absolute wild and there is this animal
that looks beneath you, you don't see it. So I
think I think there's an element of just that boogieyman factor.
But also, to be honest, it's probably one of the
(02:37):
worst ways you could go is being you know, taken
by a monster.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You know, so.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
It's obviously not statistically justified the amount we fear them,
because like everything you see around you kills more people
than sharks, like pencils or bees or whatever. But like
you know, at the end of the day, we're terrified
of them.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
And you know, it's changed.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
A lot through people getting exposed information sharks themselves and
learning more about them.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I was really skewed of sharks, and you know, even
to the point where it's sometimes think about them. When
I was swimming in a pool in Central Auckland, but
I went swimming with some sharks and a weird thing happens.
And tell me if this has happened to you. I mean,
you've got you You've had so much experience with sharks,
but there comes a point where they stop being monsters
and they sort of just become big fish when you're
(03:26):
looking at them, oh one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
I mean on my license plate it's like shark ram,
but below it feared to fascination. It literally happens like that,
I click of the finger and I used to do
a lot of shark eer tourism.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
It's how I transition, so to speak.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
And as soon as you get eyes on them and
you're in their domain with a mask on, you know
in good clarity water that the fear isn't there, and
you realize they don't actually care about.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
You at all. Yeah, they're being on with their day
and you actually just start enjoying it.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
And like you say, they just become these big, beautiful
fish and you want more.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
And I mean that's really what drove me on my trajectory.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
There's there's a much different feeling though, when you're floating
on a surfboard and bad visibility at dusk.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
You're dawn, which is what we all do as surfers,
and to.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Be you know, brutally honest, I'm definitely afraid of sharks
when I surf, like you should be because you're not
playing by the rules. It's like, like I said before,
it's like playing tennis and the savannahs, but you're blindfolded.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Now. Yeah, well it's just but it's the risks you're
willing to take to do what you do.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
You know, mountaineers, skiers, they take on avalanches. It's terrifying
to me, but you know, they do their research, they
figure out what the season is, where to go, They've
got mitigating, mitigating measures, and and we do do that
as surfers too. So at the end of the day,
I think if you go play in a wild animal's environment,
you know, you generally got to take on some risk
with it.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, how smart aren't sharks? Are they a steep above
regular fish and maybe a steep below auca and dolphin?
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Ah, Like, I'm almost insulted with how I have to
add to that because it's it's let me put it
this way, they're the longest existing animal on earth, so
they've been around before trees, before any other animal, so
they have four hundred million years of instinct built into them.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
They're born you know, most of them.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Like a great white's born at one point five meters
dumped by its mum, she leaves no print or guidance.
Yet that thing can navigate around an entire ocean, get
to some places at the right season for food, migrate
to another for another point, find its mates to mate
in the season.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
You know that no one teaches them that, and they
somehow can do it magically.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
And you know, they do have senses I think that
are more mechanistic, you know, like like more like a
you know, robotic in.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
The sense that they're that refined.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
They don't almost waste time on emotion. They're just they're
just getting on with their job. And so I think
there's a big difference between like an orca dolphin mentality
and a shark. And I think, to be honest, that's
why I feel far more comfortable swimming with a shark
than an orca, because an orca might just wake up
and be pissed off that day and have an emotional
flare out of it, you know, versus a shark, which
(06:01):
can be quite predictable if you understand what you're looking.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
For, right, Yeah, that that kind of that kind of
makes sense. The predictability is same thing with the people
that deal with you know, crocs and such. So can
you fight off a shark?
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Well, funny you say that because a kite surfer in
Margaret River in Western Australia just got smoked by a
great white when he was kite surfing and he landed
on it after it ejected him out of the air,
and he started bashing it with his hands. And you
can imagine the shark it thought that this was like
a fish skimming on the surface and whack number one,
I get home into five glass in his mouth number two.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
So that's getting feed into all hell on its head.
Until's oubt of that.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Because sharks aren't stupid, they don't take on foreign situations.
They've evolved to hunt very specific prey and so if
all of a sudden the shark realizes, oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
That's not what I thought it was.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
You know, ninety eight percent of great white attacks on people,
the shark never comes back, unfortunately. No, it's about getting
you know, medical assistance asat because they've got very sharp
teeth and we usually bleed unfortunately. But you know, sharks
don't eat people, they don't hunt people. They make mistakes sometimes,
(07:16):
but you know people are, oh whatever, you surely they
eat people.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
But it's like we can all accept the shark is
very good at what it does. It's a very capable predator,
and we suck in the ocean.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Compared to everything else from that, so if they wanted
to hunt us, they'd be eating us every single day
because we're pretty easy to.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Gat Yeah, speaking of catching, how how do you actually
go about tagging a great white shark? What's the process
of that?
Speaker 5 (07:43):
So we just tagged fifteen down at Stuart Island this
last summer, and what we use is basically a spear
gun that's customized, you know, to.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
The right power.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
It's got like a tip on the end of it
that inserts a dart, so it's kind of piercing the
ear of the shark, but it's at the base of
the dorsal fin. And then a little string holds onto
a tag that floats, and when the shark comes up
to the surface, the tag connects with a satellite into
my computer and tells us where.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
The sharks are. So you basically lure the shark.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
We got to where the sharks naturally aggregate, and then
you lure the sharks along the side of the boat
and you take a very specific spear gunshot to launch
the data and under the skin and the shark kind
of goes what was that like? When you get a
year pierced and it starts circling around doing its normal thing,
and we're able to track them anywhere in the world,
and you know you can you can download literally the
(08:33):
Great White app and you can see where the fifteen
sharks are right.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Now and what it calls.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, very cool.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
So people can sponsor tags.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
You know, you sponsor a tag, you name your shark,
you can see anywhere.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
How do you do that?
Speaker 5 (08:50):
You can go to the Sustainable Ocean Society website and
there's a lot of information on there.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Just look up my profiles.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
On my social media's and there's a lot of information
I've been posting recently about offering sponsorship. People can, like
I say, sponsor a tag. It's about four thousand dollars.
They're very expensive, but the scientific equipment and you name
your shark and then you and the public and see
where these sharks go for you know, a year or more.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
That's cool because you'd be like, hey, do you want
to see my shark? Here, this is where it is.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
It is fascinating.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
They go, you know, as far as a couple are
up in Tonga, a couple are off Sydney right now.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Up in the Great Berier, reached New Caledonia.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
One was down by Nelson, one was down at Stuart Island,
so that they get around.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, you got a favorite. I'm just looking at We've
got Happy and Bubbles, who was kind of circling around Australia.
Shingo was up near Tonga, which is really nice.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Well, I mean I found that one fascinating because it's
right in the Vivoo Island group, and some of my
friends who do while watching up there actually saw it,
which is pretty incredible because not many people realize that
these sharks go up to the tropics in our winter.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Like I said, they're not stupid.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
They got there for thermo benefits and to follow the
well migrations.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
So yeah, Shingo is really cool. But I've always liked Bubbles.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Because I just love it when people name them not
jaws or not something terrifying, and it's like it takes
off that first, you know, layer of fear, and then
people go oh okay, I'll hear what bubbles does.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, breaks down a lot of that fear. Riley.
It's been really great to chat with you. Thank you
very much for coming on and giving us your expertise,
and hopefully we'll catch up again soon.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
No, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
If you want a sponsor a shark, look up my
social media as I go. That's a stain the Ocean
Society website. So thank you very much for having me. Guys,
have a great afternoon.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah you too, and that's great. We'll put that information
up on our website as well. That is doctor Riley
Elliott no One as shark Man.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
For more from News Talk st B, listen live on
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Rewarded for bravery that goes above and beyond the call of duty, the Medal of Honor is the United States’ top military decoration. The stories we tell are about the heroes who have distinguished themselves by acts of heroism and courage that have saved lives. From Judith Resnik, the second woman in space, to Daniel Daly, one of only 19 people to have received the Medal of Honor twice, these are stories about those who have done the improbable and unexpected, who have sacrificed something in the name of something much bigger than themselves. Every Wednesday on Medal of Honor, uncover what their experiences tell us about the nature of sacrifice, why people put their lives in danger for others, and what happens after you’ve become a hero. Special thanks to series creator Dan McGinn, to the Congressional Medal of Honor Society and Adam Plumpton. Medal of Honor begins on May 28. Subscribe to Pushkin+ to hear ad-free episodes one week early. Find Pushkin+ on the Medal of Honor show page in Apple or at Pushkin.fm. Subscribe on Apple: apple.co/pushkin Subscribe on Pushkin: pushkin.fm/plus
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Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com