Full Show Podcast: 13 November 2025

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Hello you, Great New Zealisen. Welcome to Matt and Tyler
Full Show podcast number two four two four, the thirteenth
of November twenty twenty five. Thoroughly enjoyed. Today's show ends
with absolutely great chat with doctor Riley Elliott, the shark Man,
about sharks, and some great talk about sharks and people

(00:37):
ring in with their shark experiences. It was just very,
very interesting. And then we had the existential threats to
humanity and we had the American Border hysteria, and it
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Speaker 3 (01:06):
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as always, Get a.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Mets, get a Tyler, get everyone you Great New Zealand
thanks tuning in for the show. To the show. Now,
I've got a bit of a cautionary tale. Love this
already a cautionary tale, got ai. Yep. So I was
trying to get my internet sorted yesterday and I was
on the phone for a very long time and there
was there was sort of some problems going on. I'm

(01:37):
understanding what the modem was, and I was like, look
at that red buttons on it's is at yep. Then
that means that the connection isn't there. So the person
on the other end of the call center sent me
some instructions around around sorting out the modem, right, okay, yep, fair,
even though this isn't what I needed, but that's all right, right, okay,

(01:57):
So anyway, it's just to connect the hardware. Step one,
Step two, excess motim in face with all the details.
Step three, bah blah blah, all this way all the
way down. But then when we get to the bottom
here at the bottom of the email, right, this is
the following with a big green tick. This version follows

(02:19):
every structure instruction you gave. Every brank line replaced, friendly
greeting using the customer's name, informal but professional Kiwi tone,
clear ownership, and resolution, accurate steps added, a useful tip
and a touch of personality, correct sign off format. Oh mate,

(02:39):
say they chet gpt me you got them?

Speaker 3 (02:42):
You got polished out by chet GPT.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
So they've copied and pasted not only the steps to
try and get my internet going, but they're failed to
delete the bit from chet GPT. Oh the product is
in there. My favorite bit is check informal but professional
Kiwi tone.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, and do they nail that?

Speaker 5 (03:04):
Well?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
All ready bit here. If you ever run into speed
yeshes trailver booting both modem and the ONT it often
clears up temporary network hackups. That was the nice little
that I mean, that's nicest.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, it's very polite. I don't know if there's much
of a Kiwi tone in there.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah. Plug the one port of your TG seven eight
nine vac V two into the land one port on
your optical network termin I don't know if.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
That's straight up AI that yeah, straight up.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Well, I don't know if that's a friendly sort of
informal but professional Kiwi tone. But there you go. Just
just remember everyone, if you're going to use your AI,
make sure when you copy and paste that you don't
have that little bit at the bottom where the AI
is talking to you with chet GPT's summarizing what it's
done because it's a dead.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Give Yeah, you as a human can still check that
over and that is great mate. All right, on to
today's show after three o'clock. This is going to be
a good hour. We want to have a chat about
shark experiences. Great story overseas marine biologist. His name is
Mercurio Hoyos. He was conducting a tagging expedition of Costa
Rica when a female shark turned and bit him in

(04:13):
the head and face as he tried to tag its
dorsal fin. It's quite a gnarly scar if you see
the story. But amazingly he did survive. And now he
says he thinks the shark spared his life, and now
he hopes to meet that shark one day again.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
So what so he thinks the shark spared his life
on purpose, had mercy on him?

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, had mercy so crushed his skarle and bit his
cheek and then decided you've had enough, young man.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
This is a warning. Sounds more like it didn't like
the taste of him than he spared him. I mean,
sharks aren't famous for their empathy. No, they're more famous
for being just killing machines. Yeah, but yeah, as we
were saying before the shark to our I'm supposed to
explain this, who cares. We're on from twelve and some
parts of the country and on from one another parts

(04:59):
of the country, So on the twelve o'clock hour, if
you care, we were talking about the sharks. Yes, so
we kill about roughly one hundred million a year humans
and and whereas sharks kill roughly nine humans a yet,
so we're definitely winning that.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Battle heavily weighted, Yeah, in our favor.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
But yeah, we want to talk shark attacks after after
three o'clock. I one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine
to two ninety two doesn't have to just be a tax,
but your encounters with sharks, because I find that kind
of stuff very interesting.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
And we will be catching up with doctor Riley Elliott.
He's a biologist and presenter on Discovery Channel Shark Week.
He's also known as shark Man. So if you have
got any questions for Riley that is after three o'clock.
After two o'clock, big question posted on social media that
has gone absolutely ballistic, and the question is pretty simple.
It's been asked quite a few times over recent years,
in your opinion, what is the biggest threat to humanity?

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, so Science Girl was investigating this, so it was
pretty interesting. Am I sorry? AI? Misalignment biggie, that's a
biggie according to people engineered pandemics and biotechnologically biotechnological risks
is that number two? Yes, number ten, that's pretty high.
Nuclear awards three. This is existential risks. Yes, you know.

(06:07):
Existential refers to a potential future event that could either
cause the extinction of humanity or permanently and drastically curtail
its long term potential. Yeah, this text has said if
I hear where's this text? I said before someone said
they'd vomit if they hear the word existential more than
twice on the show.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
I did see that text, and I wondered that if
you is that why you mentioned existential threat? That poor
old John is probably just spewed up into his lab.
I think it was John. He did sign his name.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
It's troubling if your puke, your gag reaction is to
the word existential risk. Yeah, so nuclear war is in there,
and there's also natural pandemics, asteroid and comic impacts as
in their soup of volcano eruptions nanotechnology number ten, we've
got climate change. So existential risks, what do you think

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they are to humanity? One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
That's going to be a good chat after two o'clock
right now, though, let's get into this one. So a
story in the Herald today and it says or claims
New Zealanders are thinking twice about traveling to the United States.
They say concerns are growing that political views and online
activity corps could cause trouble at the border. Some travelers
and academics say this is down to what they see
as a new hardline immigration and security measure approach, which

(07:22):
is creating anxiety for some Kiwis. However, others reject suggestions
of widespread targeting and say the number of kiwi's having
trouble at the border is insignificant compared to the tens
of thousands who travel on a yearly basis without any problems.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, so, is this just a media beat up? Because
I've got a bunch of friends that have gone over
to the States in the last year and it's just
been the same as it always has been. So thirty
six what was the number exactly happened to thirty six people?

Speaker 3 (07:51):
So thirty six people needed assistance from in fat when
entering the United States. That was up from nine last year.
But look, that is where stats can get a little
bit undone, right, is that has the number of keiw
wei's gone over to the United States this year been
more than last year?

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Potentially?

Speaker 6 (08:09):
No?

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Less? Oh less, it's sound ten percent? Yeah, and that
maybe to do with anxiety around getting in. It could
be also anxiety around the exchange rate, or anxiety around
the cost of living crisis and things like that. So
there's a lot there, So who knows. I'm trying to
think of a joke around im fat and America but
in getting fat, But I can't. I can't, I can't.

(08:31):
Someone might be able to help me.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
It's got the pieces, got it all there, it just
needs to be six together.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Someone might help me miss that. So, yeah, have you
been to the States recently, because I'd hate for people
to be unduly anxious about it if they don't, you know,
you know, if it's just a media beat up. It's
harder to get into the States for New Zealanders. So
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Have you been to
the States recently? Have you had problems or has it
been the same, because it's never been that that It's

(08:57):
always been reasonably intimidating getting into the United States.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
It's super scary. I've only been a couple of times.
But yeah, you're not making friends at the border. No,
you know, they treat you as you may be a
potential threat. And that's always been the case. That's the
whole point, right.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Well, I mean nearly Well what countries do that, Yeah,
I mean getting them to India that is an interesting situation,
right if if you're not an Indian citizen so much
it's quite for long Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I one
hundred and eighty ten eighty been to the States recently.
What was it like? Did you get strip searched in
your social media perused or was it just straight through

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with the ESTA like it always has me?

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Come on through nine two nine two set text number.
It is quarter past one.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
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Speaker 7 (09:43):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Very good afternoon tore it's eighteen pass one. So we're
talking about traveling to the United States. The story in
the Herald makes a claim that apparently Kiwis are a
bit anxious about heading to the United States because they say,
or some people say, that things are a bit tougher
at the border if you have some political leanings, and
it makes it a bit tougher to get through. But

(10:06):
is that really the case, Lovety, of You're experience sosz
e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call the text number.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Lad's wife and I went in and out of Alaska
and May with no issues. Most having problems may not
have the right visa for their visit. Yeah, Alex, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 8 (10:24):
Hello, Hello, how are you very very good?

Speaker 9 (10:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (10:28):
No, We went to the States in August and no,
I didn't have any problem whatsoever. And the airport staff
we're all friendly and yeah nice.

Speaker 7 (10:38):
I didn't feel.

Speaker 10 (10:39):
Didn't feel threatened or uncomfortable, and just shot through fairly quickly.
The only thing that took a bit of time is
that you have fingerprinted and you've got ten digits. Yeah,
so it does take ahile to get all the fingerprinting done.
But apart from that, No, it was it was easy.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
There's something about whenever I go into the States that
fingerprinting process where it doesn't quite work for me. You know,
I'm never doing anything wrong or I'm not trying to
smuggle a thing, and I've got my Easter, but I
just get nervous at the finger printing and I don't
roll up properly and they go, sir, put your hand,
put your down hands, SA spread your fingers, sir.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
That's terrifying because then you get a few more security
guards coming up just to watch over you.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
We were you were, were you traveling? What? What port
did you go through?

Speaker 6 (11:21):
Alex We mentioned to.

Speaker 11 (11:24):
All, sorry, I'm in the paramets just started writing stuff.
Hopefully that's not too loud. So we flew into into
Texas and out of New York and I would also
say though that, yeah, look what you read here in
the news. It was really very interesting to what we
experienced on the ground in the form of everything. Really,

(11:49):
I we didn't find anybody in America who wasn't happy
with Donald Trump. The streets were very, very clean. And
also traveling around, yeah, not difficult. I found it. I mean,
if you want to go into Vietnam. That's a real
bunch fighter at the airport.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
What's going on in Vietnam of them? Has that changed recently?
Have they really stepped up? No?

Speaker 11 (12:11):
No, no, no, it hasn't changed. It's just that the visas,
you've got to have your I think it's you've got
to have your twenty dollars US sort of.

Speaker 12 (12:19):
Did you get the right.

Speaker 11 (12:20):
Visa as you go in lots of pre visas, so
that was far more difficult to get in the US.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, well think you for you call Alex good to hear.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
I mean, is this an lax situation, because that's that's
the only airport that I've flown into from, you know,
into the States. I flew into lax and that was
when I was scared shitless my French that it was.
It was a terrifying experience going through customs that there
was no smiling going on, and I felt like I
was being treated as as a terrorist. Really, you know,

(12:50):
they put me felt like they put me through the ringer.
But maybe that is just lax. That would have been
two thousand and.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Twelve, right, so that was under Barack Obama.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, yeah, and it was terrifying, But maybe it's just
an lax thing that that's always been a little bit
tougher than some of the other airports.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Well, there wereorried about terrorists, aren't they. Yeah, And I
mean I've never been really terrified at lax something through
there so many times.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
But.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
It's just a weird vibe. It's a low ceiling, you know,
if you get into it, there's a big queue. There's
someone walking around the gunyah going sir, sure, yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Oh, one hundred and eighty, ten to eighty is that
number of call. We've got full boards at the moment,
but love to hear your experiences. So story out today
saying that it is harder for keys to get into
the United States?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Is that true? Well, is it saying it's harder. It's
saying that there's thirty six as opposed to nine last
year that we had to deal with m fat right, so,
and the volumes of people going into the United States.
I'm just really questioning whether this is a huge media
beat up that it's harder to go into the States
than it was before. And if it is, why why
would people exaggerate how hard it is to get into

(13:57):
the States. From New Zealanders to what end to make
people feel bad about their travel some Texas here, this
says easy solution, boycott the US. That is a bad
solution because the United States is one of the greatest
places in the world to visit. Yeah, the variety of
the United States. If you decide to just take the
United States off the places in the world to visit,
you're not doing anything good for yourself.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
You'll lose a lot. One hundred percent. Yeah, oh, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call.
It's twenty two past one.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
So let's look at the employment side of the mix.
Scumming scandals of Brian Roches. Of course, the Public Service
Commissioner and is with us.

Speaker 13 (14:32):
I think we're in a really difficult position.

Speaker 7 (14:34):
The public is asking very valid questions.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
I think I said, how many questions should I ask
you on cost? And you're going to say, I can't
say anything.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
That probably covers it.

Speaker 13 (14:42):
And I know that's frustrating, but I am not going
to create a technical foul.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
If you are in a job and you've done nothing
wrong in your new job, can you exit a person
with them having done something poorly in a previous job.

Speaker 14 (14:54):
I think the issue is if the information had been
available to you at the time.

Speaker 7 (14:58):
Of the appointment, would it have been relevant. That's the
part of this matter.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Defendant News Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Very good afternoon to you. So have you changed your
travel plans in the United States because of media headlines
saying that changes to the border makes it a bit
harder for key Wes to get in? Oh e one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call in?
Nine two nine to If you've recently been to the States,
how was it, How did you find it? What was
it like on the grounds? Mike, how are you mate?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I'm good to yourself, very good.

Speaker 13 (15:30):
That's the story. Just come back from the States two
days ago, went into lax went across to New York
to the East coast. What you've got to remember when
you go into the States, and what a lot of
people forget is they tend to think that it's like
going into New Zealand, and it's not. So you're an
alien when you get off the plane, and they're going

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to treat you as that and talk such time as
they've authorized you to go in with the appropriate checks
and balances. And the little tricks you can learn is
make sure.

Speaker 8 (15:59):
Your polite, have your esta done, have all your paperwork.

Speaker 13 (16:04):
In your hand ready to go. You know you're going
to get photo bakes photographed and finger printed and all
those things. Just smile, be polite, and you go straight through.
My wife and I have been in there many times
and we've never had an issue at all. What people do.
Some people try to argue that they should be able
to take a water bottle and when it's full of
water and all this. Everybody knows that they are looking

(16:27):
at explosives and looking for terrorists and those sort of things.
And all you've got to do is do we bit
of research before you go if you've never been before,
and make sure that you're baying all the worlds. They're
all clearly set out electronically, and make sure you're abye
all the rules. And we've never had an issue.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
One another one just well, I'm not sorry to interrupt
your mike, is having an address that you're staying at.
So having the hotel address or the address you're staying
out ready to the question and have it all.

Speaker 13 (16:58):
If you see people and there is a question where
you stay in and they go, oh should I don't know?
I remember, darling, do you know? And you know and
behind them is five people in the line thinking you're
a total dickhead.

Speaker 15 (17:11):
So you have all you have all that.

Speaker 13 (17:13):
Stuff ready to go and your fly and you just
fly through when but just be aware that you're.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
An alien until you're not.

Speaker 13 (17:24):
Yeah, that's how they You've got to look at it
and say, this is not New zeal.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Do you think that's a country that? Do you think
it's true? Mike that just in general and America, they
spend less on making their sort of what do you
call them, their government operations. They spend less on making
them look swinky and flash. So when you arrive say
at Lax, because it is paid for by the taxpayer,

(17:49):
it's a bit run down, it's a bit scummy. Whereas
if you arrive at you know, so Awkland the airport,
it's beautiful. It looks like you're entering a bank, So
that there's a level intimidation. Would you say they're at
LAX just because they're not used to that?

Speaker 13 (18:03):
Absolutely was the way they the uniforms they wear, the
way they talk to here. They all got to look
on the face. They all caring a gun all, you know.
But what you do is when you're in Rome, you
do it the Roman way. So my wife and I
like to say we travel invisible. We know if we
were in boots, we're going to have to take them off.

(18:23):
Anything above your ankle. We don't have water on us.
We have all our paperwork. When somebody's yelling at you
and saying go to number three and pop this up
here and put out there, you just smile and you
just do it. And when they say you've got to
empty your pockets, you make sure all your pockets are
empty before you go into the X ray machine.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Beside, Yes, so was it sorry? You were just saying,
make sure your pocket seem to do all that kind
of stuff. Yeah, that's that's good, good advice bout off
that kind of thing. But we're you went this year
and you've obviously been a lot, You travel a lot.
Is it any different than it was a question.

Speaker 13 (19:06):
We need to know we found it. You know, everybody's
talking about mister Trump and some of the weird things
are happening, and when we were there, of course, the
snap program the free food for the people that needed
to stop, and they were starting to close the airports
and thinks we had all that.

Speaker 8 (19:23):
But we didn't.

Speaker 13 (19:25):
When you've got everything ready to go, you don't notice
the little things because you're not exposed to it. You're
not going to argue with anybody. And the other thing
we found coming out of lax last on Sunday. Last Sunday,
they started biometric release of you. So if you've done
everything right and while you're in there and everything's in order,

(19:49):
you just you're not talked to by a person. It's
a machine that takes another photo and says, yeah, that
tune is to kind away, you go and and you're out.
So we had no issues whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
I thank you so much for your call, Mike. Yeah,
awesome to hear. Well, we're not getting anyone coming through
that had any issues, So why is it that we're
being told to freak out and be anxious about going
into America.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
If there's someone listening that did actually get pulled aside
when you tried to travel to the States, love to
hear from you. How was it, What was the experience?
Did you get stripped down and did you get incarcerated?
If you were listening out there and this has happened
to you, or even if you've got some so called
shoddy treatment, come on through. Nine two ninety two is
the text number.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Hey, a lot of people talking about, you know, getting
into the States is actually sweet ass. Using domestic flight
in America, the domestic airlines. Now, that is when you
get involved in a shit show.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty full on right where the
headline's coming up. But we've got full boards. If you
can't get through, keep train. It is twenty nine to two.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Jose talks.

Speaker 16 (20:49):
There'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble
with a blue bubble. A survivor's advocate says there needs
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the IPCA is highlighted, senior police staff failed to address
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was arrested and prosecuted for harassment. A think tank researcher

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Works beginning on the Hawks Bay Expressway Corridor, which will

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include seven kilometers of four laning two lane overpasses and
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(21:57):
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You can get the details at enzid Herald Premium. Back
to Matte Eath and Tyer Adams.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Thank you very much, Raylean.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
So do you think that media headlines are overreacting to
US border checks? Many media organizations say it's tougher for
Kiwis to get into the United States, But is that true?

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Love to hear your experiences. This text is true of
a lot of texts from people that are coming through
that have been the States recently. The thing you noticed
in the States is that Kiwi's and Kiwi media talk
more about Trump than they do. You don't hardly hear
about Trump when you're traveling around the States. Yeah. Yeah,
you'd be lucky to go five minutes without hearing in
New Zealander bleating about Trump. Wonder why we care so much?

(22:40):
Why is it? I just had some friends that came
back from the States and said they didn't have a
single conversation about politics when they were over there.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Is it because it's way more interesting than what's happening here.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
It's a kind of that small country syndrome that you
want to look further afield to where it's a bit
more exciting.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, we're outward looking, aren't we. Amy, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Thank you, Hi, nice to have you on. So you
were actually detained at the border?

Speaker 7 (23:03):
Amy, Yeah, well, I guess.

Speaker 17 (23:06):
So.

Speaker 9 (23:06):
I was flying into LA to work in a summer camp,
and I scanned my passports like get those self scanned things,
scanned my passport and that like flesh red for the
man at the front like called me over to him.
So it's like fresh eighteen, like first OI walking over
and I was like, oh, hello, Like here's.

Speaker 15 (23:24):
All my papers.

Speaker 9 (23:24):
I didn't know what papers he wanted, gave them all
to him, and then he just like went on his
radio and then three officers like all armed up, one
of them and had like a oh, it.

Speaker 17 (23:33):
Is for me.

Speaker 9 (23:34):
And all I'd done was tix my dad and see
that I've landed. I'll call you when I'm at my
next gate. And then I was like trying to ask officers.
I was like, oh, like what's going on? And then
they'd put me into this room was like a whole
lot of other people, and I like kept.

Speaker 15 (23:47):
Asking, like trying to just understand.

Speaker 9 (23:50):
Why I was in this room, and no one would
answer my questions, and they told me I can't go
on my phone or they'll take it off me.

Speaker 15 (23:56):
And then I accidentally went on my phone, so.

Speaker 9 (23:59):
They took that off me and put me in a
separate room and I was in there for I think
about four hours.

Speaker 15 (24:03):
But I didn't know the time.

Speaker 9 (24:05):
And then I finally got spoken to, and I think
they thought my visa was fake because people had been
faking their visas or something.

Speaker 15 (24:15):
But it was so scary. It's like an eighteen year
old school grown in a room.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
So and then when I when was this amy last? Year,
like June June last year.

Speaker 8 (24:28):
Yep, so I.

Speaker 15 (24:30):
Now will never go back through LA because it's terrifying.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
So that was when Joe Biden was the president. Yeah,
so boy, so the glock was out.

Speaker 9 (24:41):
And the other two you had, like I don't know,
like guns across in but yeah, no, very scary.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
I'll tell you what though. How was the camp summer
camp job?

Speaker 9 (24:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (24:53):
So cool? I highly recommend so much fun.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
That's so cool that people do that. And as an
eighteen year old, you know you're brave enough and adventure
enough to go over and do something like that. Everyone
I know that that has done a summer camp job
is just absolutely life changing.

Speaker 15 (25:10):
Yeah literally?

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah? And how long? How long did you do that camp?
Summer camp? So you what do they call them? You
were a director? What do you call what's the name
when you work on a.

Speaker 15 (25:21):
Camp?

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Counselor counselor that's right?

Speaker 12 (25:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Whereabouts was that?

Speaker 9 (25:26):
That was a New Jersey but it was done our
drive from New York City so it was really cool.

Speaker 15 (25:31):
We had our weekends could just gone to the city.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Oh how good?

Speaker 15 (25:34):
And yeah cruiz round which was me?

Speaker 2 (25:36):
And how long did the kids go to summer camp?
For Sorry I'm off topic for people listening, but I
find this summer camp stuff so interesting. How long do
kids go to the summer camp? Because's quite a long time,
isn't it.

Speaker 9 (25:47):
Yeah, And it kind of depends on what camps you
go to. Like I had a friend also from New
Zealand that went to one and she was looking after
Bob Mully's granddaughter or something. So they had like all
these famous people coming, whereas we had I was like
a charity campaig. Yes, so we had lots of underprivileged
kids coming from like the New.

Speaker 15 (26:03):
York Bronx, right, and so they would come for a
week and then go and then we'll get them again
for the next week and that. But I was there
for six months. But I was also there for spring
as well, so I did a longest since then people
usually do. They usually just do the summer, which is
three months.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Have you been back to the state since then?

Speaker 17 (26:20):
No? I haven't.

Speaker 12 (26:21):
I want it.

Speaker 15 (26:21):
I want to go back and to my friends.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
But yeah, because you had made incredible friends with the
other counselors, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 (26:29):
And lots of them are like from all over the world,
so it's really cool that I can go see them whenever,
but it's got a hustle.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, thank good on y Amy, Thank you for your call. Yeah,
great caller. If I could go back in time, might
have been it. Summer camp looked like a great, fantastic time.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yes, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. We'll play a message and come back
with Richard who was in the States two weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
It is twenty to two.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
It'd be very good afternoon to you. It's eighteen to
two o'clock and we had been chatting about getting into
the United States. A story out today and the Heralds
makes claim that or many commentators saying, are Kiwis are
anxious trying to get into the States and it is
harder than it's ever been.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Is that true?

Speaker 6 (27:16):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Eight hundred the sixers said we had issues getting into
the States. Who are coming from Italy via Zurich to
San fran At Zurich. My daughter nineteen was one of
about forty randomly selected to be swabbed stomach between toes,
carry on bag et cetera. I see swabbed the stomach,
so they rub the front of your tummy, so right
inside between the toes, carry on bags, et cetera. Before

(27:39):
we could board the plane. Then a lot of repetitive
questions at San fan hasband and son came from New
Zealand straight to why I no issues at all? Experience
put us off traveling via the States. But I mean
that could happen to you going into any country. Yeah,
I've had I've had the fall once over in another room,
arriving in my own.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Country, yep, with my own past. I always seem to
get the bomb chick when I go into Australia. I
don't know why. There's something about me that sees excuse me, suk.
You just stand over here, we're doing a random bomb.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Chick, right, and I always get that. I often feel
like you might blow up the studio. You just said
that looks.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Well, maybe this is the problem. Why didn't you tell
me this before?

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Is this the day that Tyler comes in with an
improvised explosive device? It all makes sense now, Richard, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 18 (28:21):
I mean, are you?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Are you very good?

Speaker 15 (28:23):
Thing?

Speaker 7 (28:24):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Thanks for calling? You've just been in the States.

Speaker 18 (28:28):
Yes, I've been a number of times, saying most recent
one was just about two weeks ago. So I actually
actually had no issues. And I was there for about
four weeks and went through Washington, d C. Philadelphia, Virginia,
New York City, LA, and Las Vegas. And thank you more.

(28:51):
There is some rough bitch is within America, but like
a lot of things have been done and being cleaned up.
But as far as the airports interested consaid, I absolutely
had no issues, no problems at all.

Speaker 7 (29:02):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
And is that a common experience for you, Richard, if
you traveled to the United States a fear few times.

Speaker 18 (29:11):
And I've traveled to pay quite a few times for
different parts of America. But this time, I think a
lot of people, a lot of the media, let's probably
just hype it up or blow it up. And even
I was a bit scared and going this dune. But
when I went into absolutely no problem and they just

(29:31):
know it's not my question what you're here for, and
check a passport and it's just like within a minute,
me and my wife were and absolutely no problems at all.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
You know, happy day. It's good to hear. There you
go so you don't have to worry about it's Richard.
A couple of texts here, Hi, guys, this is all
a media beat up on Trump. Nothing has changed with
regards to getting into the US. The only thing that
has is if people don't do their job, they are
held accountable.

Speaker 7 (29:59):
Being.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
One thing you've got to do in the States is
if you're going over there to work. Because I've traveled
over there a lot to film stuff and and we
haven't had the right visas. Parts of cameras are in
different bags and tripods and such. Because you have to
have permits to you know, per film over there, and
you have to sort it out. And if you're going
to be working there, that's a very different thing than
just on on the esta, right, definitely. Yeah, So you

(30:23):
know that that'll get you in trouble.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Absolutely, you know if you plan to work and you
don't have the right visa, and quite rightly, you're going
to be pulled to the side. Curtis, you are visiting
American Is that right?

Speaker 17 (30:35):
I am a little nervous to be talking on the radio,
but thanks for letting me speak for a minute.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
So well, just just before we continue, what you've got
to I love your accident. What part of the States
are you from, Curtis.

Speaker 17 (30:49):
I grew up in Colorado and Wyoming, which is basically
the crest of the Rockies, and I live in Idaho,
which is just one state in from the West coast. Good.

Speaker 7 (30:58):
Yeah, well so.

Speaker 17 (31:04):
It's it's It saddens my heart to say it, but
I would not come to the It States right now.
They're in incidents like a Canadian woman who overstayed her
visa for one day and she went in to renew
it and they put her in jail for two weeks
without contact with the lawyer, detained her. I believe, with
the lights on all night, no sleep, no comfortable bed,

(31:27):
just laying on the floor. And the more friendly you
are to the United States, and the more of a
democracy you are, the more Donald Trash hates you. I myself,
I will be I have a burner phone on me
right now, and before I enter customs, I will be
deleting everything on my phone. One thing that you should
keep in mind is that they use biometrics. They scan

(31:49):
your face, but they also scan your Facebook, your Instagram,
anything else you might have to see. If maybe you've
said something like oh, I support the Palestinians or some
other thing that the administration or i'd call them regime
would want to be looking.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
What's what that Canadians because wasn't that Because the problem
right now is all the news we get, when you
look into it, it's often not true. But I read
about that Canadian one that that turned out to not
be exactly as the media is reporting it with with
that woman was that was detained. I'll just look it up.
But I think that was because because sometimes you'll have
to have met Curtis that these things come out on

(32:28):
social media and they come out and when you actually
look into them, they're they're they're quite different. But I've
had going into Canada's quite The Canadian border is quite
an intense situation getting in, isn't it.

Speaker 17 (32:41):
In my experience, I even did commercial work up there.
I was searched all but one time I've been to Canada.
But they're very nice about it and the rights. Yeah,
and it's it's a wonderful country. I may be I
may be missing some information, uh you know, on the
Canadian woman, but I tell you this has happened multiple times.

(33:02):
Another risk that you may face is that uh, they
they are a new thing which the Supreme Court in
the United States has been uh or the court system
in general below the Supreme Court has been striking down.
Is this idea that you can deport people to any
lousy country that you that you want to. For instance,

(33:22):
you're probably all familiar with a man from El Salvador
who they continue to try to deport to some country
in Africa. I forget which one. But you your your
due process in other words, you're right to a trial. Uh,
your your ability to speak.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Of the lawyer, or if you're if you're if you're
not an American citizen.

Speaker 17 (33:44):
Yes, which is not which is not constitutional.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
But we're we're so in America because in New Zealand,
if you're not a citizen, then you get deported. If
you come to New Zealand and you and you're not
here legally, you get deported, right is it so? Is
it different in the States, And it is here in
New Zealand.

Speaker 17 (34:04):
You absolutely have a right in the United States to
do process no matter where you come from. Unfortunately, with
this administration, they will violate that right.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
So as a as a different now than it was
under under Biden and Obama.

Speaker 17 (34:23):
Only in action, the law is still the same.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Right right? Okay? And so and so how you in
New Zealand? What's your what's your immigration status in New Zealand?

Speaker 17 (34:36):
Well, I'm actually I'm touring. I I would uh, I
would actually love to come down here on the construction
work a little plug. Uh I do materials testing and
civil work. I would love to, But mainly I'm just
down here to get away from my own country's craziness
and and see something new.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
You're covered from back surgery, so you're on holiday.

Speaker 17 (35:00):
I am, oh.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Well, well, I hope you're enjoying the country. And and
how did you find getting through New Zealand immigration? Did you?
What's the vasa situation? Getting into New Zealand.

Speaker 17 (35:11):
Out of the states, you just register, They recommend seventy
two hours prayor to your departure that you register with
easy ETA, and they just I think they just go
through your background and make sure you're not a risk
and once that's approved, once you once you arrived, you

(35:31):
you just fill out either electronically or will pay per
form declaring your intentions. And then probably the hardest part
and very understandable, is they want to look at the
bottom of your shoes. And stuff. Make sure that you
don't have you know, we have grass.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
We haide a hand sandwich coming into the country. Yeah,
and how long how long can you I should know this,
but how long on that visa can you stay in
New Zealand?

Speaker 12 (36:00):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (36:00):
You know it seems like it's ninety days right, Yeah,
and I certainly you know I plan to come back.
They also requested you have a an airline check it
out of the country for some reason. So yeah, mine's
scheduled for the nineteenth and it's you know, it's it's
an amazing trip. What an amazing country you have?

Speaker 2 (36:22):
And uh, well and well, I hope you have a
fantastic time here. And welcome to our country, Curtis, and
thanks for calling and have a great day.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
What a great man. Fantastic love it. Oh, one hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is
eight minutes to two.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Back of the mo.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Matt Heath, Tyer Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
It's Matt Heath and Tyer Adams. Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
News talks be.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
News talks, they'd be news is hot on our tail.
But let's have a check to.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Bleak mates, good, I'm Tyler.

Speaker 6 (36:55):
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Very good?

Speaker 7 (36:57):
Good? Good?

Speaker 19 (36:59):
First off, Curtis dude, welcome man. What an awesome accent?

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, lovely.

Speaker 19 (37:04):
Number two, you were talking about getting the swab bomb
explosive swab every time you go through the airport. Okay,
So the same thing was happening to me, right, So
every time me and wife covered up to Auckland or
cross where we were going, I was always getting selected
for the swab down. Now the key to it, apparently
is sen maven first. All right, they take if they

(37:29):
if they swat people in pairs, they take the first
person that comes through.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
All right, So throw her under the bomb bas so
to speak, not literally, but get here on the swab duty?

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Where's the chivalry longer? But hang on, Blair, your misses?
What is it about her that when she goes through
first she doesn't get swapped? Does she look less swappable?
What's going on? Does she looks less dodgy than you?

Speaker 13 (37:54):
Oh?

Speaker 19 (37:55):
There's probably that, But she doesn't go through first? You know,
it's it's in the queue. It's just how it's turned out.
It hasn't been planned. But I've got, I've gone, I've
gone through first, she's following and they have grabbed me
and said, you know, blah blah, read this card and.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah there you go. Okay bleia yea. Thank you for
you the advice.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
I'll try that next time. I'm an Aussie. Nobody tell
me I'm trying that and I'll see how it goes.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Send the missus in first. She needs a good.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Swabbing, I think sometimes right New Sport with a fast approaching.
Great to have your company, as always, stay right here,
will be back very shortly. You're listening to Matton.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
Tyler talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons US Talks.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
It'd be very good afternoons. You welcome back into the program.
Great last hour the previous house, So thank you very
much for that. But we're moving on because it's going
to be a great chat as well. So it was
a question posted on social media Science girl is her name.
It's gone absolutely ballista as in viral, thousands and thousands
of comments and shares. It's a question that has been

(39:00):
posed a lot in recent years. So here it is,
in your opinion, what is the biggest threat to humanity?

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, and it was interesting. The results there came back
AI misalignment, power seeking or uncontrolled superintelligence. It was the
number one, yep. And responses was the number one, which
might just be recncy biased. That's the thing we're thinking
about about. The most biotechnological risks was number two. Engineered

(39:28):
pandemic surprises me a little bit. Then that's number two.
The nuclear war. Yeah, I agree with that one. But
what do you reckon? Is the biggest existential risk to humanity?

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Eighte hundred eighty ten eighty is the number of call
nineteen nine two.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
And apologies to John who texted before and said if
he heard a news talk z'd be broadcast to say
extential existential risk again, he'd thrown up. Yeah, sorry mate.
So if you're still listening to John, yeah, I'll try
and say existential risk less because it's an existential risk
to you vomiting.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Yeah, so big one though for you, mate, I mean genuinely,
can you look at any on those lists and think
that that is a real possibility in your lifetime?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
I think we underestimate nuclear war. I think people think
that was sort of an eighties issue, but there's still
a hell of a lot of nukes around, and technology
is the way it goes. It's going to be easier
for rogue operators to get nukes in the future. Yeah,
I don't know if that means the end of all humanity.

(40:30):
I mean, it depends how you define an existential risk.
So an existential risk, according to the Oxford Dictionaries to
Find refers to a potential future event that could either
cause the extinction of humanity or permanently and drastically curtail
its long term potential. So that's a bit that's a
bit different, isn't it. Drastically curtail its long term potential

(40:52):
is different from extinction. And I imagine if you had
twenty five nukes going off even yeah, which is a
very small part of the global arsenal, I can imagine
that curtailing our potential nastily absolutely going to go. Well,
I mentioned this to you.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
It's a movie that's on Netflix at the moment called
House of Dynamite, And you know, it's an average kind
of movie when you look at the third part of
the act, but it's very well researched, and the premise
is that there's an intercontinental ballistic missile that's been fired
to the United States, and they don't know who's fired it,
so it goes through the various elements of the US
government and when they spot this. But what was terrifying,

(41:30):
and again this is very well researched, is their ability
to shoot down one of those into continental balistic missiles.
It's very minimal. I've effectively got one shot as it's
heading into the into orbit and if it gets there
and they miss it, then that's bug it. But then
it kind of goes into Right, we don't know who
did it. But here's your options, mister president, and we
suggest you go all out. Go for Russia, go for China,

(41:54):
go for North Korea. But it's a terrifying watch. Granted
it's just a movie, but the ability to actually make
decisions if that was to happen, say North Korea rogue state,
well worth watch.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, this texasys is the biggest risk to humanity is
humanity South? But what about super volcanoes.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Yeah, don't forget about super volcanoes, which came in at.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Number supervolcanoes comes in at number seven.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
That's pretty high. It's pretty high.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
The massive eruption ej Yellowstan Yellowstone adjecting ash causing years
long global cooling and crop failures, or asteroid orchomic impacts,
collision with a large near earth object causing global dust clouds, tsunamis,
and climate disruption. That's at six, so you know that's
not humidity itself. No, there are things that are outside

(42:42):
even the control of human beings.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
So come on through. What do you think is the
biggest threat to humanity? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number nine two ninety two is the
text number?

Speaker 2 (42:52):
This is interesting. So jc's humans are the biggest risk.
There are too many of us using too many resources.
Then you have crazy humans that could end at all well,
interestingly enough, number eleven biggest risk to humanity at the
moment is, according to this is population decrease.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Right, that is a terrifying so element to it.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
So there actually aren't enough humans at the moment.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Need to have more babies. Yeah, yeah, right, Beck. It
is eleven past two.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Very good afternoon too. So we are talking about what
you think are the greatest threats to humanity. It was
posed on a social media and it's gone blestic. So
can you get your thoughts on this? One hundred and
eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Do you agree that the number one is AI misalignment,
power seeking or uncontrolled superintelligence Advanced AI system especially those
achieving or surpassing human level intelligence, becoming misaligned with human values,
pursuing goals that lead to human extinction or subjugation, such
as resource optimization at humanity's expense. That sounds pretty scary.
That's what most people think is the biggest threat to

(44:02):
us at the moment. Edward, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (44:06):
Oh hey, there, I was waiting. A couple of people
already said I wasn't going to say, but I'm surprised
that number one isn't humans. I mean, we talk about
nuclear war, we talk about AI. We're the ones that
create this and allow it to happen.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, apart from in this list, apart from
you know, asteroids, commets and super volcanoes. Then that you're right,
they're all our fault AI.

Speaker 6 (44:34):
Yeah, we did, and if we don't control it. H
I mean there's also those movies about the robots taking over.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Yeah, I mean that there's a tricky position for us
to be. And if we're our own biggest threat, I mean,
you know, that's a pretty you know, what do we
do about that? You need humans here, And if we're
our own biggest threats, then we're you know, up the
creek without a pedal.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
So how do we sort ourselves out edward?

Speaker 6 (44:58):
Well, the problem is we've got to stop ignoring the
destruction we're doing to the ecosystem. I mean, there was
no such thing as mic group plastics and all that
sort of climate change and all that before we came along.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Well, there was there was a lot. There was a
lot of climate rage going along before we came along,
I mean ice age and such.

Speaker 6 (45:16):
Oh yeah, there was those, but we've accelerated that.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
My I remember, I remember when I was that primary school.
Once said was my school teacher said, what is who's
more powerful? Humans or nature? And I said humans, miss
so Larry, Humans And she said, really, what about the sun?
What about what about comets? What about all these you know,
natural phenomena? And there was undoubtedly there are the nature

(45:42):
is stronger than humans. Definitely the sun it's pretty powerful.

Speaker 6 (45:46):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they're just like the things like
we know the population and insect populations that we destroyed.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
I mean that does scare me?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
What I about that? By the biodiversity losses number ten
on this list of irreversible as described as a reversal
ecosystem degradation leading to loss of life support systems and
vied by climate and pollution. I mean that what's happening
in the oceans is terrifying, Edward. And we need the bugs.

Speaker 6 (46:13):
We did the bugs, and we do need the ocean,
and we do need those sea creatures in there. And
the sad thing is we all know it, we all
know we're doing wrong. But do we change?

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Do you do you think you are doing enough to
protect the bugs and the oceans? Edward?

Speaker 6 (46:35):
Well, I'm sitting in my sex cylinder cars making a cigarette.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Good life man, So you're you're doing your bit? Yeah yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (46:46):
Mean I recycle, I try to reuse things. I try
to have as little waste as possible. But but really,
you know, I'm buying I'm buying products that made them,
factories that are pumping smoke out of the episode. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Well that's the thing, isn't it. I Look, I'm shifting
house at the moment. Edward and the amount of cra
app I've bought that I don't need. And so if
you're if people are worried about you know, their effect
on the environment and you know, wastage of resources and such,
we could we could start by not buying so much
crap we don't need that we have to throw and

(47:22):
a skip wm move houses. That that that might be
a good start from from someone like me.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yeah loless Edmund when you move Yeah that too, Yeah,
And then we could.

Speaker 6 (47:31):
Up cycle things, you know, I mean, Oh, there's a
crappy pair of drawers, Shall we fix them or to
thrum out and get no one?

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Are you talking about underies or are like an actual
furniture not draws drawers? Oh right, okay, yeah, yeah, tap
your own undies.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
You can throw those out, throw out the throw out
the crappy drawers.

Speaker 6 (47:47):
If we've got holes in the sock, yeah, jeans or
Grandma would darn the socks and past the jeans. And
we're just on the bin these days.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
And I think that, I mean, if people could get
back to and cobblers. You know, you had a pair
of shoes that they would last years, you go and
take them to a cobbler. And they'd fix them up. Yeah,
I mean, no one's doing that anymore. Most people have
twenty five pairs of shoes that they just finally get
around to throwing out. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (48:11):
The bottom of my wardrobe is piled high with shoes
that I'll never wear again and alex Tronics, so that
faltern't the bin, give a new one. Yeah, we're a
throwaway society.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah, all right, fair enough.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Enjoy that ciggy and give the car a few revs.
He would, but it makes make some good points.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
You're still on the analog vapes. It's it's it's I
was going to say it's good to hear, but it's
pretty booge.

Speaker 7 (48:33):
It's the vaping.

Speaker 6 (48:36):
I mean you're still speaking, just doing it differently.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah, true. Yeah, all right, Edward, thank you so much
for your call. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. We've got full boards, but we'll take a
quick break after that.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
We'll have a chat with Dallas.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
A little bit cryptic here. Biggest threat he reckons is
feeling he's chosen all my country as special.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
So we'll break that down very shortly. That's not only cryptic,
I don't understand the sentence. So I'm looking forward to
talking to Dallas. What is the biggest existential threat to humanity?
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine nine two.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight on News Talk.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
ZIB afternoon to you twenty two past two. We're talking
about the what is in your opinion, the biggest threat
to humanity?

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Guys, the one that's about to decimate society is actually
population collaps due to falling birth rates. Have a look
at Japan, South Korea and China's projections and what it
will do to their economies. Yeah, population collapse is a
terrifying if you look into it, and what's happening in China,
South Korea that it is terrifying and New Zealand. Yeah,

(49:44):
but particularly on Japan. As I've said before, they're selling
more adult Nepeas than than babies. Nappe's Japan Japan at
the moment, Tullas, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 14 (49:56):
Hi, guys, just in passing a terrifying notion is the
idea of limited nuclear war. You know that's that's a
terrifying idea and a false.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Swun isn't it limited? Limited?

Speaker 20 (50:10):
New Q?

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Well, what do you mean by that? Dallas?

Speaker 14 (50:12):
You know that you can you can take out another
small country and not affect anyone. And I think a
lot of young people might have this notion, you know,
from who haven't seen the destructive effects of nuclear that
we have. But I agree that the biggest threat is

(50:35):
humanity itself, but not all humans. It's only those humans
who feel specially called to be special, superior to everyone else,
or either them or their country, or their ethnic group
or their religion the superior to everything else. This is
the greatest threat because from that, if you feel called

(50:58):
by higher power to fulfill God's will on earth, you
know through your eyes, that's a very terrific.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
It's interesting, though, isn't it, because there's been a decline
in believing in God and our country, particularly in a
cline in church going. Do you worry that there's a
saying that there's a god like God sized hole in
everyone's heart and it can be filled with spirituality, But
now people seem to be filling that hole with politics,

(51:33):
and it can kind of have that effect where people
become zealous for whatever particular tribe they've decided to decide
to sign up to on the political spectrum, does that
concern you at all? Else?

Speaker 14 (51:49):
Yeah, especially a Republican party in the American movement has
been refused religious fervor and religious in timemism with political
The two have come together that the world's going to
end soon.

Speaker 7 (52:03):
But that's through.

Speaker 14 (52:05):
Whatever, you know, whether it's restoring of Israel and make
it ready for Christ to come again and all the
sort of thinking.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Do you worry that you do? You worry with that
kind of thinking. That that the reason why we we
concentrate a lot on America because that's where all the
social media comes out of, and our media is very
obsessed with America more so than even within America. We
we look that way, whereas there's a lot of other

(52:34):
stuff happening in different countries that are bigger than the
United States of America that we just are not concentrating on.
A because they're not democracies, therefore we don't hear everything
that's going going on, and and B because you know,
they don't they don't create the media that that we
freely take on.

Speaker 14 (52:53):
Yeah, Like for example, China has they feel they're got
a divine right to take over Taiwan. Russia feels they
have a to right, divine right to take over Ukraine.
The Palestinians they have a divine right to live in Palestine.
The Israelis feel they have a divine right to conquer

(53:14):
Palestine and live exclusively there themselves. So yeah, it's got
this divine right is a very dangerous thing, I think.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
I mean, do you do you have any do you
feel like you've got any divine right to any thing? Dallas?
Is there anything that that you think that you would
protect with with your with your life, any small page.

Speaker 14 (53:37):
That's a good question, Matt. It's like about another hour's
discussion there.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
There's a lot there, There's a lot.

Speaker 14 (53:43):
Yeah, yeah, I'll have to think about that. But I
feel we want I mean, as humans, we all feel
we're sly. We all sort of feel we're going to
live forever, especially when we're young.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Do you think I'm not you know, I'm not. I'm
not religious in the traditional sense, Dallas, But more and
more I'm leaning towards that idea of spirituality because I
can see that loss of community, and I think for
most people, because you're talking about fanatics, right, but for
most people. When you look at what religion is to them,
it is that sense of community and that sense of selflessness,

(54:17):
selflessness that it is not just about them. There is
more to this universe, whatever they believe in, that is
far bigger than they are, which makes them care about
other humans a little bit more.

Speaker 14 (54:28):
And you're not a threat to humanity because you've got
a genital philosophy on that and so it's mad and
so have I. We are not the threat. It's the
fanatics who have error they are the threat. The ones
who might be AI and might be nuclear, they are
the ones that are the real threat to hear. It's

(54:49):
not the average Joe blow he's just trying to get
through life, you know, and has a threat. Like Buddhism,
it's no threat. Hinduism is no threat because it's that's
sort of gentle religions. But it's the monotheistic religions that
they're more violent.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
And yet people that follow Hinduism and Buddhism have invaded
countries and.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
I've got their enemies.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Often often the problem is people who aren't actually following
the faith that they say they are, you know, they're cheery,
pecking parts of it to do what they want to do. Hey,
thank you so much to be called OWT. Let's appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Yeah, very interesting role. We've got the headlines hot on
our tail, but taking more of your calls. One hundred
and eighty ten eighty What to you is the biggest
threat to humanity? Nine to niney two is their text number?

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Just the little questions for a Thursday afternoon, something like
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons on newstalks. He'd be
news talks.

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(56:07):
all recommendations from a banking probe by the Finance and
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to focus more on competition. The Police Commissioner says he's
assured proper process has been followed, with police still prosecuting
the woman at the center of the Jeven mix skimming scandal,
on charges of sending abuse of emails to the officer

(56:30):
running the initial prosecution. After senior police staff failed to
address the woman's original serious allegations against the then Deputy commissioner,
she was charged with harassment, a prosecution now withdrawn. Detours
are up on State Highway seven near Culvidon in North
Canterbury after a serious single vehicle crash. The key we

(56:52):
should be favorites to win next year is Rugby League
World Cup, so it writes Ben Francis. You can read
his full column at ends at Herald Premium. Mack now
to Matteith and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Thank you very much, Raylans.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
We are talking about what is the biggest threat to
humanity at the moment in your rise.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Or this is going back to a top we had
on a few days ago. Billionaires. Is this texture of
the biggest threat to humanity? Well, one billionaire is trying
to set up set up a colony on another planet. Yeah,
he's trying to save the sanity. That billionaire might save
the existential crisis crisises, save us from existential crisises. So
we'd seen it. So I'm trying to say they're communism

(57:29):
is the greatest threat. Well, yeah, you've got to say communism.
So what do they think. It's between seventy five and
one hundred million people were killed by communism in the
twentieth century. Yep, you know Mao, Stalin, pole Pot and
the like. Yeah, through you know, man made famines, the Goolags, executions,

(57:52):
so many executions under communism.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Yep, what Stalin did to the people of Ukraine, I
mean cheapers. So communism yeah, yeah, hasn't really worked out
well in the past.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Yeah. So someone says billionaires, someone says communism, We may
not find we might not find the answer to what's
the biggest existential crisis threat to humanity? That's our James,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 17 (58:13):
Hey mate, you nearly get it right, Billiamaire's got a
big part, But it's totalitarium is the most biggest danger.
And you know, the best radio hosts that you've ever
had on there, the Laden Smith used to talk about
it regularly with Ian Wishard.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
And all the best pipes.

Speaker 17 (58:35):
Yeah, government, government overreach, you know, And and the danger is,
of course, you know, the digital ideas coming. We're going
to try and get rid of cash and then we'll
lead to the social credits China sort of system. And
it's basically government knows a reach, which is like communism.

(58:56):
That's on one of your adverts. Just beforehand, I heard
that they had an announcement that they're trying to get
some children to be signed up for key. We say
the right from birth, and it's like that's government over
reach because here we say there's not a guarantee fund.
It's got no government guarantees. So you're paying money in

(59:18):
from birth and there's no guarantee that you're going to
get the money.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
So, James, with this kind of situation, do you think
that's an existential threat to humanity existing? Or would humans
beings just operate in a Pink Floyd video style drone
like state.

Speaker 17 (59:37):
Well, yes, that last one is the thing good. You've
got to refer to George Orwalls nineteen eighty four where
they keep saying there's too many people and all this
and AI is going to make us all irrelevant, you know,
and our freedoms are gradually going. You know, the seventies

(59:57):
and the eighties were wonderful times to grow up. The
lack of freedom and the government control. I tell people,
you know about the tax in New Zealand. Every governm
that we've ever had is only thought about more ways
to taxes. And yet they're still thinking of more taxes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
James, you think with that, do you worry at all
about the things that are bigger than humanity? The super volcanoes,
the the comets, the asteroids. That doesn't, that doesn't, that
doesn't take up your worry. You're worrying time.

Speaker 17 (01:00:31):
I'm a Christian believing God, and it's the you know,
the billionaires that are out there, they're the ones telling
us when they're flying around in their billion dollar jets,
we've got to give out our nice coffees when they're
roman around the world using all these resources, saying, you
know that that the climates are issues, and they keep

(01:00:55):
changing the agenda. You know, at first it was global warming.
Now that the Earth is actually cooling, so they're calling
it climate change, which no one will deny that there's
always been climate changing, but man made climate changes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
This b es well. I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Anyone flying around on a private jet who says you're
no longer allowed to use plastic straws. I get the
hypocrisy there is that you don't get to say that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Even I'd take that down to flying business class. Yeah,
I mean I've got from a flying business class. I mean,
I'm a big fan. But you can't. You can't then
lecture other people if you're flying business class, you just can't. Yeah,
And as soon as you're getting on a private jet
then that's out out the windows. Shut up, Harry, shut up, Megan.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
That specific. Yeah, one more point, James.

Speaker 17 (01:01:46):
Yeah, like you elites having too much control. And a
good example of that is Larry Think of Black Crops.
You might remember that when Jasinda went to Harvard to talk,
she also called into Black Rocks to meet with a
Larry Think of Black Rocks. And then last year we
had lux and go to America and who did he

(01:02:06):
meet with? Larry at Blackrock? And now Larry Thinks is
also one of the boards and we'll heads on the
world economics for them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
So yeah, Well it's an interesting thing, isn't it Because
people talk about individual billionaires, but then you look at
things like Black what you know, asset managing and you
know those kind of investment funds. You know they're operating
trillions of dollars. Yeah, so you know your boss of
black Rock might not be the richest person in the world,
but you wields a lot of power with the amount

(01:02:40):
of assets, and you know what black Rock owns, and
what Blackrock owns, and the decisions that makes on stock
markets and where Moneys goes. You know, they have a
huge amount of power. Hey, thank you so much for
you call, James. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Oh eighte hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
So we're talking about the biggest threat to humanity? What
is it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
In your eyes?

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
It's on the back of a social media post that
has gone ballistic thousands and thousands.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Of comments and shares.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
So I love to hear your thoughts to eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. What are you worried about?

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Nine to nine?

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Who is the text number? Plenty of texts coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Don't blame Bono, He's all right, okay, Okay, Well, it's
just that when Bono when I went to a U
two concert. Okay, I'll get back to my we'll take
a break and when I come back, I'll complain about Bono,
My plain about him. Okay, yeah, love it. It is
twenty one to three.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
I'd be afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
It's nineteen two three, and we have been talking about
the what is the biggest threat to humanity in your eyes?
On the back of a social media post that has
gone absolutely ballistic in terms of viral.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
The six is, why don't you guys use AI on
your show? You're both so ill informed? I love that
people will have that faith in AI. That's probably why
it's one of the most It's number one here on
the perceived threats AI misalignment. That's telling if people, why
don't you use AI and your show? You're both so informed?

(01:04:08):
AI is how would I put this? Unreliable at best? Yeah,
I'm sure it would help you at least stop spreading misinformation.
I love this. I love people that tell you that
you were ill informed and then say the stupidest thing
I've ever read in my life. As your teacher's comment

(01:04:28):
about the power of the sun, did you remind her
that we have the power to block it out? If
you think if AI is telling you that humans have
created anything with an a trilliant, as powerful as a
star or a black hole. Then you need to get
off AI and just use your brain for a think

(01:04:49):
a second. Every single thing on planet Earth is at
the behest of the energy that's coming from the Sun. Yea, everything,
the tetonic plates, every part of it. You know, the
Earth only exists because it was a bunch of space
dust was orbiting around the Sun and it consolidated into
our planet, with the heavy minerals in the center, the

(01:05:10):
crusts going out. Everything is the power of the Sun.
There is absolutely nothing on Earth that is even comparatible
that has been made by human beings that compares with
the Sun. And nuclear you think it, nuclear weapon or
a nuclear war is anything. The Sun is a giant
fission expl nuclear reactor. It is just the most powerful

(01:05:35):
thing obviously in the Solar system.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
I love this man, get at them, but yeah, that
last line, I mean, what is it Monty Burns who
just wants to put up some sort of bloody blocking.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
The Sun? Isn't that powerful because you can put up
your umbrella and you can block the Sun with it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Make you for that laugh?

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
I needed that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Absolute muppet to block it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Just block it. My point on Bono was I was
at at one of his concerts, and I knew that
he had helicopped it out to White Hecke Island for
the day, and then helicopter to the sound check yep,
and then taking a chopper back to our Hiki Island,
and then a chopper back to the show. Oh right,
And then on the screen I had all these pictures
of starving people and was asking you to donate to

(01:06:19):
the climate and climate change and donate money two dollars,
and he was going, come on, give us some money,
and I was like, yeah, mate, or maybe you don't
take four helicopter rides in one day, Bono before you
asked me to pony up another two dollars after I've
already paid two hundred and fifty bucks with a ticket
to your quite good show. Actually, yeah, it was nice
to get a good change to take it though, great change,
great singer. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

(01:06:39):
that number to called get a meverick.

Speaker 8 (01:06:42):
Goody. I've been waiting a long time for you guys
to bring up that subject. And I love the way
you guys bounce off each other. Sometimes you just ripped
me up there, just I've pierced our eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Oh, thank you so much, Maverick. That's what a nice
thing to bring up and say.

Speaker 8 (01:07:00):
Now, Kyle, just before I get into my very brief
theory on our greatest threats, what's your book titled?

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
My book is titled a Lifeless Punishing Thirteen Ways to
love the life You've got.

Speaker 8 (01:07:15):
Okay, I must grab a copy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Well, I'll send you a coffee. Could I could see
if you if you text, then your address Because someone
before or audaciously asked for a free copy, and when
I said I'll get my publishers to send him one,
he said, no, I'll send you a gift first and
then you send me one. So I've got one assigned
to someone that that that doesn't didn't didn't. It's going
to be complicated. So if you send me send me

(01:07:37):
a text through on nine two nine two, Maverick, I'll
get one signed out to.

Speaker 8 (01:07:41):
You, okay, and I'll send you a copy of my
second book. Oh, this is great, called How the New Abnormal?

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
How to Survive the New Abnormal?

Speaker 7 (01:07:51):
Yeah, plost covid.

Speaker 8 (01:07:53):
Oh, brilliant strategy strategy to handle all the craft that's
going on.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
I'd love to I'd love to give that a read. Maverick,
thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:08:01):
Thanks. Now, in my mind, my theory, I'm affigure you
thinker like you are our biggest threat from the natural environment,
which is, I think God made could be right and
could be wrong our earthquakes, right, which then cause tsunamies yep,

(01:08:22):
which they caused you know mayhem. I mean, was it
ten twelve years ago Sri Lanka in that area where
hundreds of thousands chid.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Boxing day tsunami? Yeah, that's right. Would you include and
they're just sort of general geo that that kind of
activity and including because you know, volcanoes and super volcanos
are all all interconnected with with the tectonic plates and stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:08:47):
Oh yeah, definitely. And we are part of the Ring
of Fire. Luckily we don't get hit too often because
we have thousands every year of small earthquakes that relieve
the tension.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm not saying this to
scare anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Is just reality.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
But you know, as you'd probably know, Meverick, we're being
or scientists have been waiting for the Alpine. It's overdue
and that will happen at some stage. It's just a
matter of when not I and trying to think about that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
With it towns like Wellington and Queenstown that I worry about. Yes, yeah, yeah,
beautiful and sorry you go on.

Speaker 8 (01:09:25):
Yeah, man made threats. Digital technology way ahead of anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
You mean in terms of AI.

Speaker 8 (01:09:37):
Or radiation. I'm halper sensitive, unfortunately to a digital radiation
or otherwise known as electromagnetic field, and it nearly coilled
me twice in the last five years. I'm luckily be
sitting here talking to you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
I really am what happened there?

Speaker 8 (01:09:55):
Maverett computers in my cars. I bought a brand new
youth back in twenty twenty and it was with cdsch
nulogy and it fried fried my body. I didn't know
what was happening. I thought it was me. It took
seven months to work it out, and I've meant to

(01:10:17):
get it repossessed, thank God, because I repeat the paper
and the second comes just to listenly fully electric was
the last year, and I spent too much time in
it one day and fried me again.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
And and what what was the symptoms of you know,
what what symptoms did you experience from the frying.

Speaker 8 (01:10:42):
Swelling? We like you would not believe blood coming out
of my skin and wow, lots of two layers of
so far two layers of skin for about seven months
and a bever itching like sunburn.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
A right, and did you did you go and see
a physician about it? A doctor about it? And if so,
what did they say?

Speaker 8 (01:11:03):
He said, God, you were very, very sick.

Speaker 7 (01:11:07):
You better go to hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
And what did you do? And what did you do
to recover? Because you sound reasonably healthy now, Maverick.

Speaker 8 (01:11:16):
I'm eighty percent, which is as well as I'll ever be.
I'll never get to one hundred percent again, but i
am seventy three years of use today and every birthday,
thank you. And I've been trying to get New Zealand
house in acc to recognize the fact that some people

(01:11:36):
are sensitive to digital technology. And more and more it's
technology grows and gets small powerful, it's going to get worse.
But guess what they don't want to know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Yeah, well, Maverick, we're glad you're doing pretty well now
and you sound pretty chipper for seventy three years old.
But all the best to you, my friend. And as
Matt said, make sure you take three year address.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Yeah, it's amazing. Maverick has text through his address from
about twenty different addresses. How many phones does he have?
That's fascinating, isn't that for their free book? I'll just
assume these are all Mavericks and then get the books
in out to the right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
We're gonna play some messages. But oh, one hundred and eighty,
ten eighty. We may have time for another call after
the break. But can you hear from you in your opinion?
What is the biggest threat to humanity?

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Ten? Do three?

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
The issues that affect you and if it have fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
ZIB News Talks it be.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
It is seven two three, and we have been talking
about what is in your view the biggest threat to humanity?

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
The six says suddenly is your muppets. Yeah, so I
think they mean Solo fly is. Yes, well, I guess
the same thing, son Solar solftly is. You know when
one of those that they can release just just your
run of the mill soulo flare is you know, as
much as energy is a billion atomic to bombs just
a number out of my butt. Yep, let's just say

(01:13:03):
a billion atomic bombs. Luckily, a lot of energy, a
lot of energy. And then then you get those massive
electro men that waves torrents of them traveling towards the
Earth at speed of light. Yeah, and they can potentially
disrupt shortwave radio transmissions.

Speaker 9 (01:13:17):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Can they take out settleites? I think they can interrupt satellites,
can't they?

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
I think they can if they're big enough. Yeah. But
I mean in the end, the Sun's going to kill
us all. Yeah, just in about five to seven billion years,
which is good when it expands into a red giant
and sort of engulfs the Earth. So even if we
readly time, we've got a bit of time. Have we
got the five billionaire plan to deal with the Sun
turning into a red giant?

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Someone else's problem?

Speaker 9 (01:13:43):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
I think we've got time for new can We've got
to be quick mates?

Speaker 17 (01:13:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:13:47):
Okay, then, yeah, wors enemy is ourselves. We don't learn
to get on with each other and just get it done.
We could be brilliant if we put it, but we've
got to get were the world's going to get together
and do it together, you know, not separate. As separate
as we are.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Now, how do you reckon we get on the same page?
You can, because there's what eight billion of us right now,
And so how do we get together.

Speaker 12 (01:14:13):
I'll get all our main scientists together, and I'll tell
those politicians how that. Just shut up and get on
with it, you know what I mean, because all the
scientists together, I think for the common good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Yeah, but what about the fact that all humans are
political and so these scientists they often have political agendas
of their own and need someone else to tell them
to just stick to the facts and stick to it,
to what's good for humanity and not be pushing their
own agendas.

Speaker 12 (01:14:42):
No, you're exactly right, but it all bolled out the money.
And now the number one thing is money, and golden money.
Just money, that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
It is, golden money that makes the will go rounds
for some people.

Speaker 7 (01:14:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Well yeah, I mean, so what causes you know, nuclear
war being sitting at number three on this list of
existential threats to humanity? I mean what starts wars? Often resources? Yeah,
also often beliefs, yep, political differences. Yeah, the ways that

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they think they can run the world. To reckon, We've
saved the planet this hour, Tayler.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
I think we have, thankfully. I know it's been worrying
a lot of people, but Thank god we solve that one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
I hope we've saved Maverick. Yes, he was a great
New Zealander.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
I loved his school yeap, and looking forward to seeing
his book as well. Actually fantastic our thank you very
much for all your calls and texts on that one.
Coming up after three o'clock, let's have a chat about
Shark's great story about a marine biologist attacked by a shark.
Pretty gnarly and he wants to find the shark again.
He loves the shark.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Today is my kind of show, Existential threats to the
humanity into shark attacks.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Yes, and we're gonna have a chat to a man
you may know. He's no one as shark man, Riley Elliott.
That's all coming up very shortly, but get on the phone.
Z one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine to nine
two is the texts.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Your new homes are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Matty
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sebby.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Good day to you, Welcome back into the show. I
hope you're having a good Thursday, seven past three. This
is going to be a great chat. We want to
talk about sharks. This is after a story marine biologist.
His name is Mercurio Hoyos. He was conducting a tagging
expedition off Costa Rica when a female Galapagos shark turned
and bit him right in the head and face as

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he tagged its dorsal fin. It's a gnarly scar if
you see the picture. But amazingly he did survive. Clearly
the hoses on his scuba gear were severed. He heard
his skull crush, but he now says the shark spared
his life and he'd love to meet this dear shark again.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
That's interesting. First of all, how would you know it
was the same shark? But secondly he thinks that the
shark made a decision not to eat him. I don't know.
I don't know if sharks have that kind of higher thinking.
They've been around for a very long time, but i'd
describe them more as just killing machines. I think it's
more likely he bit bit his head and went, well,

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this isn't very tasty, because you know, sharks don't normally
they're not evolved to eat monkeys, and so when they
come across humans, I think it's never a good feed
for them. Yeah, you know, it's not like a nice
a nice fish, a nice big fish, even a seal.
A seal a lot of blubber and seal. We're kind
of even fat, and as we're terribly obese, we're not

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much of a feed for a for a shark, are
we No.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
And it's a good point because he's scuba diving, so
arguably he's gone a wetsuit on and he probably looks
like a nice tasty seal.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Bite into it and go, oh, there's bony monkey. Yeah,
what is this stuff?

Speaker 17 (01:17:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Where's the fat?

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
But I love that he was sort of a glass
halfful sort of positive spiritual person that said, no, the
shark spared me.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Yeah, well, they can be misunderstood creatures. I know for
some people. I've got to say I have never had
a major shark encounter, and I've done a bit of
spear diving, but a free diving for power. But I
I've always had that fear that they're out there and
always kind of like have the eyes at the back
of my head so to speak, when I'm diving, but
never a dog fash is as far as I've gone.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Did you see Jaws was out the fiftieth anniversary of
Jaws was out earlier this year. You could watch in
cinemas and I watched Jaws again, and what a fantastic
movie that is. But before Jaws, and before the book
that Jaws is based on, which is only released about
less than a year, I think before the movie came out,
people weren't as scared of sharks as they are now.
Sharks have gone inside our hits, they have, and we're

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very worried about sharks. We're very focused on sharks now.
But as I was saying before, very unlikely to be
attacked by a shark, very very unlikely. The ISAF, the
International Shark Attack File recorded seventy three shark attacks globally
in twenty twenty one. These are the last stats I
have twenty twenty one. Yep, this is from my book,

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of which nine were fatal. On the other hand, the
chance of a shark attack being attacked by a human
are much higher. We kill over one hundred million of
their kind of year, which is roughly eleven thousand sharks
per hour, or three per second, three sacks nine.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Or stop it stop counting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Already that three seconds, we've killed more sharks than they
killed us in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
They are massively at gunns.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
So in the shark versus man battles of the species,
we are kacking their asses absolutely, and sometimes, as I
say before, we will just nip their fin off for
a shark from soup and let the rest of the
shark just float to the bottom of the ocean.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
A bug on man in some places in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Which isn't very very good. But I think a lot
of us in New Zealanders, a lot of us in
New Zealand, we are maritime people. We love the ocean.
We're out fishing all the time, We're out pesting the
coasts of our beautiful land. So a lot of us
have experienced sharks. And you know, a couple of years ago,
my son and I and my buddy Mike and his

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son Miller, we're out fishing up on Fung Bay, beautiful
and a bloody marco came up, but the snapper off
my son Lyon as he was pulling it in.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
That is that's that's scary.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
It was cool, Yeah, a lot it was. It was
cinematic how it sort of sort of breached the surface
and came up and then just.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
Actually got out of the water to cake a fish.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Can a Marco? Would a Marco eat a human? Because
because because Then then the next day we were snorkeling
and my son said to me, hey, your dad, Hey dad,
is that that Marco that ate my snapper? He came back,
is that in the water with us now? And I said, well, technically, son,
all sharks are in the water with us right now,
because you know, it's one big amount of water and

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we're in here, so every single shark in the world,
in the world is kind of in the same water
with us now.

Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Yeah, And he's their kingdom. And he said, Dad, can
I get back in the boat now? That's been a
good dad.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
I eatee hundred eighty t and eighty love to hear
about your shark experiences. If you've ever come up close
with a shark while you were swimming. I eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call him?
If you know about Marco sharks. They look pretty gnarly.
All sharks do. But I imagine there's been a few
Marcos who have had a chicky bite on a human
from time to time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
What are the bad ones? The whale sharks sweet airs.
That's not going to do you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Tiger sharks are pretty feisty. So I hear great great white. Yeah, yeah,
you probably want to stay away from a great white around.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
There's a few of them around, fov. Yeah, come on through.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
number to call? Nine to nine two is the textas
twelve plast three US talk said, be very good afternoon.
So we're talking about shark experiences. Love to hear yours
if you've come up close with one of the EPIX predators.
I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
I met and Tyler. Worldwide, more many more people are
killed by cows than are killed by sharks. That's from
Peter from Levin. Yeah, stay away from cows. Yeah, well
we live in the same where we live in Land,
so yeah, yeah, kind of makes more sense.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
We deal with them a lot more than we deal
with sharks, and most of us.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
And a bull will miss you up. Yeah, yeah absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Craig, how are you mate?

Speaker 7 (01:22:02):
Yeah? Good mate. Hey, look, I don't want to bore
you too much here, but I'm sure there are other
people haven't seen stories. I've been an ocean dweller since
I was seven years old, you know, so like start
off and surfing, and then went into kayaks, fishing and things.
So I've been pretty use having sharks around me all
my life. They just they just here. They're part of

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the environment, and it's very rare that they kind of
get aggressive, to be honest. So I started off surfing
down regularly seven years old and went over to Indo
and Thailand and surfed over there, and you got used
to seeing tiger sharks in the water over there. Everybody did,
and it was kind of everyone understood that they don't

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have a go at you. They're just mooching around the
same roofs looking for further.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
So if you see it, if you see it, you
see a shark, you see a shak, then you you've
experienced no fear.

Speaker 7 (01:22:58):
Craig, No, not at all. I mean, you notice it,
you take it, you pay attention because you want to
make sure it's it's not something big, a little mongly.
But but that's pretty normal seeing them amongst the ways
when you're surfing, when you're surfing in countries like that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
So there's nothing, there's nothing, no sort of tips that
you'd have in the back of your mind if one
did come at you.

Speaker 7 (01:23:22):
Oh, absolutely, yeah, Like you don't want to look like
a victim. So if you see a shark that coming,
maybe raking yourself up to the bottom from the bottom
of a little bit and coming up, then he's maybe
a little bit more aggressive. So you just pulled your
legs in close to the board, stop flapping your arms about,

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and eyebore them. If you need to even stick your
hand with the water and actually in the face to face.
Really yeah, he'll back off.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
They will get in face. Do you think they back
off because you've intimidated them or they back off because
they go this is a weird creature. This isn't this
is an online menu. I don't need that thing.

Speaker 7 (01:24:02):
I actually think like in those countries I'm talking about,
they see serpents all the time, so there's nothing new
about us. It just might be one that's a little
bit bigger, bit more aggressive. It's not about intimidating them
so much as making them aware that you're aware of them.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Right, yeah, I see what's saying. Yeah, So so you
know they're revolved to see eyes looking at them. They
want they want to attack, you know, more stealthily. They
don't want to they don't want to tax something that's
staring at it and maybe injure them.

Speaker 7 (01:24:31):
Yeah, pretty much. And you know, as I like, as
I said, I did that for many years and I
never saw anyone get attack by a shark. And all
those year surfing, and then I've gone on to fishing
from kayaks around New Zealands and going after big fish,
going after you gettings and things on a kayak, you know,

(01:24:52):
maybe five kilometers out the sea, you know, and you
get some big boys want to come and have a
look at you there. And that's a little different.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
I mean, it's a mental game, is what what kind
of sharks are those that you're seeing five kl leaders out?

Speaker 7 (01:25:10):
Mostly Marco's Oh yeah, you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Stats on Marco's there, Tiler. So I was saying, can
a Marco take you down? And it's very rare, isn't it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
So Marco sharks have been responsible for fifty attacks on humans.
This is you know, since records began, with two resulting
in fatalities.

Speaker 7 (01:25:29):
Yeah, and I see the same thing like that. They
kind of act like to act quite aggressive, like they'll
jump out of the water, they'll throw themselves down just
to let you know they're there really, and that's that's okay.
So but I mean, I honestly think most of the
sharks we have in the water around New Zealand are

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really just checking us out. So take the time, don't
don't do things to aggravate them. Like I've seen guys
go out seriously kayak fishing and they're catching fashion throwing
into the back of the kayaks and they're bleeding into
the water and it's like, what are you doing? Yeeriously,
if you want at tension, you've got it, do.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
You think, Because yeah, it's interesting. Because and this guy
that's been attacked by by the shark, he said that
the sharks spared him. And I think the sharks probably
don't don't have that kind of cognitive ability. But in
your in your travels, what about sea mammals, you know,
an orca. I feel like an orca could do some

(01:26:33):
damage and it might actually decide to I think an
orca is more likely to, you know, either spare you
or decide to target you.

Speaker 7 (01:26:42):
I've had orcas came up around me, and I've also
had sothern right wall's come up around me, and they're
just beautiful animals really, and they're really intelligent, so they
don't see us as food.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
They don't see us as a seal.

Speaker 7 (01:26:57):
Yeah, they don't see this as a seal. It depends, honestly,
it probably depends on what you're looking like. If if
you're swimming, that could be quite a different response to
what I see in a kayak. Yeah, so you be honestly,
there's probably quite a big difference here. But in the kayak,
I've had some pretty interesting I've had the odd bronze

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whil I came up and have a bit of a
push on the kayak nice you know, and I've given
them a slap on the head with her.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
Was there to push them away, saying you're getting a
little bit closer.

Speaker 7 (01:27:30):
Bit close, you're getting a bit close to mate, And
they do respond to that. So it's like, okay, yeah,
this this is not an easy meal. So I'll just
go away. And they weren't looking for me anyway, they
were just looking for my catch.

Speaker 9 (01:27:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Yeah, so bronzewell, I mean, so they're quite big though,
aren't they, Like they save around three meters.

Speaker 7 (01:27:52):
I had a bronze whale I once swim towards me
with a fin that looked like it was twenty meters
that in the air monsters in my terrified state there
was out looks.

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 7 (01:28:03):
It was probably about a meter of fit, you know. Yeah,
and she was she must have had pups around that
was fishing out the back of Mount Monganoi and the
Mount Mongonery harbor. Yeah, and she was not happy with me,
and she made it very well known.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
How did you know? How did you know that this
particular bronze wader.

Speaker 7 (01:28:21):
Was a she? Because it's mostly the females had gone
to the back of Mount Monganuy, so they're going to
breathe and they're feeding on the sting rays, right. So yeah,
but she was annoyed, obviously, and she let me know
that she was annoyed. So it was like a yeah,
move on, experience, I'll just move on.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
Yeah, So how did she how did she? How did
you know she was annoyed?

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
What did she actually do?

Speaker 9 (01:28:47):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
She charged the kayak ah right, yeah, yeah, that's a
telltale sign.

Speaker 8 (01:28:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Thank you so much for you call Craig. Yeah, fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
I don't know that's making me feel better about sharks
or worse. But I mean Craig's not fussed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
I just just punch a bronze wailer in the face
and it all it'll head off.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Yeah, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that I'm
going to call? Well, if you can't get through, we've
got full boards.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
But keep trying.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Love to hear your shark experiences. It's twenty two past three.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Well, here's an interesting shark fact fact. According to Steve,
shark will only attack you if you're wet right and
stacks up.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
Zby afternoon, it's twenty five past three. We've been talking
about shark experiences on the back of a marine biologist
who was bitten on the face by a shark off
the coast coast Costa Rica. But he loves sharks so
much he is looking forward to meeting that shark again
one day.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
This Texas says in New Zealand, bull sharks are the
ones to look out for, and make sure you check out.
The orcas in Wahiki swimming right past two kids in
the water while they were hunting stingray and Orca loves
the sting ray, isn't it? Certainly does, Sean, Welcome to
the show.

Speaker 21 (01:30:00):
Yeah, good afternoon, guys.

Speaker 7 (01:30:01):
It's nice to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
It's nice to have you talking to us, and thank
you so much for ringing. That was a weird sentence,
but it's good to talk to you, Sean.

Speaker 21 (01:30:09):
I just on that brief the previous guy, Craig, I
tend to agree pretty much wholeheartedly with what he's talking about,
and I'd like to briefly just mentioned something about the
young lady that was killed and why.

Speaker 19 (01:30:23):
He beat a few years ago.

Speaker 21 (01:30:24):
Oh yeah, yeah, and before I carry on though, but
my deepest condolences to the family, friends, lifeguards, ambulance stuff, whoever.

Speaker 6 (01:30:33):
Was involved with that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
That was horrible.

Speaker 21 (01:30:36):
What a hectic time. But yeah, that particular day, like
that incident happened in the afternoon, But that particular morning
at the bone Down entrance of Darren Harbor, I'd been
out just over the bar and I saw four different
types of sharks that morning. There was Marco's are white,

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the bronze whalers and blue sharks that I saw all
in the same morning.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
What's a blue shark familiar with them?

Speaker 21 (01:31:09):
They are like, they're like a long, skinny shark with
long fins. They're pretty docile, pretty pleasant ocean ocean dwellers.
But these sharks are all within a mile or two
of the entrance.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Is that quite rare to see that variety of shark.

Speaker 21 (01:31:31):
It's the first time I've seen that many, that variety
of sharks in such a small space of time on
one given day. And I'm quite a regular FIS show
out of that area.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
Yeah, I mean, it was a tragic incident, wasn't it.
But but do you do you think that's maybe why
the great white was in there, that he may have
been following in these smaller sharks.

Speaker 21 (01:31:51):
Well, I kind of wanted to let you guys know
because you're going to be talking to Riley, I understand. Yeah,
And it's not far from his home turf, and I've
actually seen him and his crew anchored up in the
Bone Town Entrance sharks, so he might be quite familiar
with the area, I imagine he is, and he may

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be able to shed some light on why there was
so many sharks in that particular area at that particular time.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
So you saw, you said, you saw a great a
great white shark, that morning. Yeah, I mean, I mean,
how many great white sharks would be around that area
in any given time, and would you think that was
the same shark?

Speaker 5 (01:32:36):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:32:36):
Many many?

Speaker 21 (01:32:38):
Yeah right, Yeah, it's a nursery basically a nursery for
bronze Whaler's great whites, and I'm not sure about the marcos,
but definitely a nursery for great whites.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Yeah right, I'm just actually having a look and I
remembered Daisy, the great white who was tagged I think
about three years ago. But there's a website you can
go to Sustainable Oceansociety dot co dot nzid. They've got
an app and for the great whites they've tagged, you
can see roughly where about where they are around the country.
So at the moment, if I just zoom in on

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why he there is a great white? I think the
last time it was checked was just off the coast
of way. He his name's Tuckami. But it's a great app,
you know, it's it's fascinating to see where they are
traveling to and sometimes they go, you know, quite some distances.

Speaker 21 (01:33:29):
Yeah, I believe that's Riley's app or Riley's information that
that's supplied to that app.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
I think you're right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just
thought I just thought maybe you could mention it to
Riley when you speak to him and see if he
has any any thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
Absolutely, yea, we will. Sean, thank you, thank you for
your call. Yeah, that was tragic, that nineteen year old. Yeah,
that was a that was a horrible story. Yeah, I mean,
and the chances are so small when you look at
the numbers around of the world and for one to
happen in New Zealand like that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
Right, We've got the headlines coming up, and then as
Sean mentioned, we are going to have a chat to
Dr Riley Elliott. No one is shark man. He's got
a wealth of experienience when it comes to sharks. So
we'll have a chet to him in a couple of minutes.
And we are taking more of your calls on oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It is up pass three.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Youth talks.

Speaker 16 (01:34:20):
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(01:34:40):
A bill to end the record long US government shutdown
has passed its last vote and now needs the President's
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Bay hospital worker today sentenced to three months home detention
for taking a cake containing cannabis oil to a staff lunch.
Rain continues to dampen the nearly three thousand hectares burnt

(01:35:03):
out in toyurid Or National Park, with aerial and ground
surveys yesterday fighting no new fire activity. North Canterbury's historic
at Anui Hotel is reopening doors after a new operator
this month or under a new operator this month. It's
been closed for more than a year. And a dramatic
helicopter rescue on the Coromandel Peninsula today after a bystander

(01:35:27):
photographing the rescue of two people at a Pitty Tower
blowhole also fell into rough sea. All three had to
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Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
You can read more.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
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Speaker 16 (01:35:47):
Back now to matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
So that story in the news about the taking a
weed cake to a staff function. Yes, I was talking
to a nurse the other day that I met, and
she was saying that her teenage son had a had
a systeamer lunchbox full of brownies with his name on
an app'osolutely for no one else. And she, I guess,

(01:36:12):
maybe being a little bit naive about these things, thought,
how dear my teenage son just make brownies for himself
and not share them with everyone else. It's fair for
a mom to think. And she was about to go
to work and she thought, you know what, I'll have
a couple of these brownies before I go in and
do my shift. And she opened them up and she
was about to slam these quite clearly weed brownies when

(01:36:32):
her son came running out. He don't touch thos, so
it can happen. It can happen.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
Yeah, easy mistake. And who doesn't like brownie? You just
gotta figure out what's on them.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Meased doing this job, you accidentally ate your teenage son's
weed brownies and tried to do a news talk zb
radio show show. That'd be difficult.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
It would be an experience, that's for sure. Right, we
are getting back to our discussion about sharks and doctor
Riley Elliott. He is a marine biologist and presenter on
Discovery Channel Shark Week No One Has Shark Man. He
spent a career studying sharks and has long been an
advocate for the misunderstood apex predator of the sea, and
he joined us on the line.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Now, Riley, how are you good? Afternoon?

Speaker 22 (01:37:12):
Good afternoon, guys, how are we going?

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
Very good? Thanks for talking to us. Now, Riley, should
sharks be more scared of humans or humans scared of sharks?

Speaker 22 (01:37:21):
I think if you went with simple maths and look
at the statistics of who kills who the most, you know,
humans kill one hundred million sharks a year and sharks,
you know, tragically kill about six to ten people a year.
So I think the sharks should definitely be more afraid
of us, and in the commercial fishing fleets that do
most of that damage.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Do you why do you think we spend so much
time fearful of sharks? Is Is it just because of
that movie that came out in the seventies Jaws, because
with the limited amount of attacks and the limited amount
of deaths, even though there's some terrible tragic ones that
absolutely happened, and of course there was that one in
New Zealand and twenty two and why he But do

(01:38:00):
you think it has been sensellate? It's sense likely, sensationalism.
Sensationalized Is that a word?

Speaker 22 (01:38:07):
Sen It's look that the movie Jaws obviously had a
huge part to play in it. But I think it's
it's just the Boogieyman factor. And I did a corporate
speaking event the other day about this, and it's it's
very mirroring the Boogieyman factor to the Jaws factor, because

(01:38:27):
we all know what the Boogeyman is, but you don't
probably actually know what it is at all.

Speaker 14 (01:38:32):
I had to google it.

Speaker 22 (01:38:32):
It's like a sixth sixteenth century monster they created to
make kids sleep, and they.

Speaker 11 (01:38:37):
Say that they didn't sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
It would crawl out of.

Speaker 22 (01:38:39):
The under the bed and grab them, and it's just
like a terrifying thing. And it's the fact that it's
under somewhere where you can't see that is terrifying. And
I think that's the same thing with a shark like,
if we go walk into the savannahs well number one,
you're expecting to see a line number two. If it
nails you, you probably be.

Speaker 5 (01:38:58):
Like, well, I asked for it.

Speaker 22 (01:39:00):
Whereas we go float on the ocean and we see
it as like a recreation area. Even though it's the
absolute wild and there is this animal that lurks beneath you,
you don't see it. So I think I think there's
an element of just that boogie man factor. But also,
to be honest, it's probably one of the worst ways
you could go is being you know, taken by yes,

(01:39:21):
a monster.

Speaker 5 (01:39:21):
You know.

Speaker 22 (01:39:22):
So it's obviously not statistically justified the amount we fear them,
because like everything you stee around you kills more people
than sharks, like pencils or bees or whatever. But at
the end of the day, we're terrified of them. And
you know, it's changed a lot through people getting exposed
information sharks themselves and learning more about them.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
I was really skeared of sharks, and you know, even
to the point where I sometimes think about them. When
I was swimming in a pool in Central Aukland, but
I went swimming with some sharks and a weird thing
happens and tell me if this has happened to you.
I mean, you've got you You've had so much experience
with sharks, but there comes a point where they stop
being monsters and they sort of just become big fish

(01:40:05):
when you're looking at them.

Speaker 22 (01:40:07):
Oh a kind of I mean on my license plate,
it's like Sharkman, but below fear to fascination. It literally
happens like that I click of the finger and I
used to do a lot of shark eer tourism. It's
how I transition to so to speak. And as soon
as you get eyes on them and you're in their
domain with a mask on, you know, in good clarity
water that the fear isn't there, and you realize they

(01:40:28):
don't actually care.

Speaker 14 (01:40:29):
About you at all.

Speaker 21 (01:40:30):
They're being on with their.

Speaker 22 (01:40:31):
Day and you actually just start enjoying it. And like
you say, they just become these big, beautiful fish.

Speaker 5 (01:40:35):
And you want more.

Speaker 22 (01:40:37):
And I mean that's really what drove me on my trajectory.
There's there's a much different feeling though, when you're floating
on a surfboard and bad visibility at dusk, you're dawn,
which is what we all do as surfers, and to
be you know, brutally honest. I'm I'm definitely afraid of
sharks when I surf, like you should be because you're
not playing by the rules. It's like, like I said before,
it's like playing tennis and the savannahs, but you're blindfolded. Now, Yeah,

(01:41:03):
well it's it's just but it's the risks you're willing
to take to do what you do. You know, mountaineers, skiers,
they take on avalanches. It's terrifying to me, but you know,
they do their research, they figure out what the season is,
where to go, they've got mitigating measures, and we do
do that a surface too.

Speaker 5 (01:41:17):
So at the end of the day, I.

Speaker 22 (01:41:19):
Think if you go play in a wild animal's environment,
you know you generally got to take on some risk
with it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
Yeah, how smart aren't sharks?

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Are they a steep above regular fish and maybe a
step below auca and dolphin?

Speaker 22 (01:41:31):
Ah, Like, I'm almost insulted with how I've done that
because it's let me put it this way, they're the
longest existing animal on Earth, so they've been around before trees,
before any other animal, so they have four hundred million
years of instinct built into them. They're born you know,
most of them like a great white's born at one
point five meters dumped by its mum. She leaves no

(01:41:54):
print or guidance. Yet that thing can navigate around an
entire ocean, get to some places at the right season
for food, migrate to another for another point, find its
mates to mate in a season. You know that no
one teaches them, and they somehow can do it magically.
And you know, they do have senses. I think that
are more mechanistic, you know, like like more like a

(01:42:17):
you know, robotic in the sense that they're that refined.

Speaker 5 (01:42:19):
They don't almost waste time on emotion.

Speaker 22 (01:42:22):
They're just they're just getting on with their job. And
so I think there's a big difference between like an
orca dolphin mentality and a shark. And I think, to
be honest, that's why I feel far more comfortable swimming
with a shark than an orca, because an orca might
just wake up and be pissed off that day and
have an emotional flare out of it, you know, versus
a shark, which can be quite predictable if you understand

(01:42:42):
what you're looking for.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
Right, Yeah, that that kind of that kind of makes sense.
The predictability is the same thing with people that deal
with you know, crocs and such. So can you fight
off a shark?

Speaker 22 (01:42:58):
Well, funny you say that because a kite surfer and
Margaret River in Western Australia just got smoked by a
great white when he was kite surfing and he landed
on it after adjected him out of the air, and
he started bashing it with his hands and you can
imagine the shark it thought that this was like a
fish skimming on the surface and whack number one to
get a home bunch of five glass in his mouth

(01:43:19):
number two. So that's getting feed into to all hell
on its head and so it's out of there. Because
sharks aren't stupid, they don't take on foreign situations. They've
evolved to hunt very specific prey and so if all
of a sudden the shark realizes, oh my goodness, that's
not what I thought it was. You know, ninety eight
percent of great white attacks on people, the shark never

(01:43:39):
comes back, unfortunately. Now it's about getting you know, medical
assistance asap because they've got very sharp teeth and we
usually bleed out unfortunately. But you know, sharks don't eat people,
they don't hunt people. They make mistakes sometimes, but you
know people are, oh whatever, you surely they eat people.

(01:43:59):
But it's like we can all accept the shark is
very good at what it does. It's a very capable predator,
and we suck in the ocean camp to everything else.
So if they wanted to hunt us, they'd be eating
us every single day because we're pretty easy to gat Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
How you speaking of catching, how how do you actually
go about tagging a great white shark? What's the process
of that?

Speaker 22 (01:44:22):
So we just tagged fifteen down at Stuart Island this
last summer, and what we use is basically a spear
gun that's customized, you know, to the right power. It's
got like a tip on the end of it that
inserts a dart, so it's kind of piercing the ear
of the shark, but it's at the base of the
dorsal fin. And then a little string holds onto a
tag that floats, and when the shark comes up to

(01:44:43):
the surface, the tag connects with a satellite into my
computer and tells us where.

Speaker 14 (01:44:49):
The sharks are.

Speaker 5 (01:44:49):
So you basically lure the shark.

Speaker 22 (01:44:52):
We got to where the sharks naturally aggregate, and then
you lure the sharks along the side of the boat
and you take a very specific spear gun shot to
launch the data and under the skin and the shark
kind of goes what was that like when you get
ear pierced and it starts circling around doing its normal thing.
And and we're able to track them anywhere in the world,
and you know you can you can download literally the

(01:45:13):
Great White app and you can see where the fifteen
sharks are right.

Speaker 14 (01:45:16):
Now and we're going to take this.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
Yeah, very cool.

Speaker 5 (01:45:21):
So people can sponsor tags.

Speaker 14 (01:45:24):
You know, you sponsor a tag, you name your shark,
you can see anywhere.

Speaker 7 (01:45:27):
How do you do that?

Speaker 22 (01:45:29):
You can go to the Sustainable Ocean Society website and
there's a lot of information on there.

Speaker 5 (01:45:36):
Just look up my.

Speaker 22 (01:45:36):
Profiles on my social media's and there's a lot of
information I've been posting recently about offering sponsorship. People can,
like I say, sponsor tag. It's about four thousand dollars.
They're very expensive, but there's scientific equipment and you name
your shark and then you and the public can see
where these sharks go for you know, a year or more.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
That's cool because you'd be like, hey, do you want
to see my shark here, this is where it is.

Speaker 14 (01:45:59):
Yeah, yeah, it is fascinating.

Speaker 22 (01:46:02):
They go, you know, as far as a couple are
up in Tonga, a couple are off Sydney right now,
up in the Great Brier Reef, New Caledonia. One was
down by Nelson, one was down to Stuart Island, so
that they did around.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
Yeah, you got a favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
I'm just looking at We've got Happy and Bubbles, who
was kind of circling around Australia. Shingo was up Neartonga,
which is really nice.

Speaker 17 (01:46:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:46:23):
Well, I mean I found that one fascinating because it's
right in the Vivoo Island group and some of my
friends who do whale watching that there actually saw it,
which is pretty incredible because not many people realize that
these sharks go up to the tropics in our winter.
Like I said, they're not stupid. They got there for
thermo benefits and to follow the whale migrations. So yeah,

(01:46:44):
Shingo was really cool. But I've always liked Bubbles because
I just love it when people name them not jaws
or not something terrifying, and it's like it takes off
that first, you know, layer of fear and then people
go oh, okay, I'll sear what bubbles does.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
Yeah yeah, yeah breaks down a lot of that fear.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Riley.

Speaker 3 (01:47:02):
It's been really great to chat with you. Thank you
very much for coming on and giving us for your expertise,
and hopefully we'll keetch up again soon.

Speaker 20 (01:47:09):
No, I appreciate it.

Speaker 22 (01:47:10):
If you want to sponsor shark look up my social
media so go. That's a stain the Ocean Society website.
So thank you very much for having me. Guys have
a great afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
Yeah you too, and that's great. We'll put that information
up on our website as well. That is doctor Riley Elliott.
No one as sharkman Beck in the moment is qulled
it to four have a.

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
Chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Matt Heathan Tayler Adams afternoons us talk.

Speaker 3 (01:47:34):
Sa'd be having a great chat about sharks and plenty
of ticks coming through a nine two nine two.

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
How cool is that site where you can track the
great white So good? What a great man, Doctor Riley
Ellen is Zelana.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
If you want to go check it out, just go
do Sustainable Ocean Society and dot co dot ins it
and I think you can yeah. So it's called the
Great White app and you can get it on the
App Store and Google Play as well. How cool, The
sixer says, guys, you should take a look at a
channel on YouTube. There is a channel called the Malibu
Artist doing amazing drone photography slash video photography footage of

(01:48:06):
southern Californian great white highlighting how much they do not
want to eat humans.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
That is awesome. I'll check that out.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
This is a good text here. Gooday, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
Oh geez, I just lost it. We had a thousand
ticks just blast through.

Speaker 17 (01:48:21):
Here it is.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
We had our two kids, age around fifteen, one rather
large shark, one mother sorry that one of the kids
was hanging its feet outside a donut behind our boat
around carpety and flying along until he heard a weird,
high pitched noise, then saw a huge fin about ten
meters off. So we quickly turned the boat off and
slowly reeled on the donut, trying not to panic and

(01:48:43):
thank goodness for the kids in the back of the
boat without them. No, I never saw it again, but
freaked us out.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
Hey. We had a call from Saun I believe it
was before and he was saying that on the day
of that terrible attack in way he I think was
in twenty twenty two with that young lady lost your life.
He said that he saw a bunch of sharks, different
types of species out there, four species, and he was
asking us to ask doctor Riley Elliott if he knew

(01:49:11):
anything about that, and we just asked Dr Elliott off
here and he said he doesn't think that there was
there was a factor on that day, the number of
species that were in there, or you know, it was
just a very unfortunate thing that happened. Yeah, good to
get an answer on that.

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
And just speaking of Dr Riley as well, if you
do want to sponsor a shark, you can email him
to direct It's just n zed Sharkman at gmail dot
com or go to that Sustainable Ocean Soociety dot co
dot NZ websites. All right, taking a few more calls
on shark experiences, Mario, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 20 (01:49:44):
Yeah, hi guys, how are things good?

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
Thanks for calling?

Speaker 7 (01:49:48):
Yeah? Good, yeah good.

Speaker 20 (01:49:50):
Yeah, from what I've what I can understand over many years, apparently,
and I hope you agree that a shark can smell
blood like a I no speaker, blood from maybe a
mile away?

Speaker 15 (01:50:01):
Is it?

Speaker 7 (01:50:01):
Have you heard that before?

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
I've heard, Yeah, it's about I think it's around a
kilometer away, isn't it that they can they?

Speaker 9 (01:50:07):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 5 (01:50:11):
Yeah, but this is.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
I'm not sure how do they do that? The ability to.

Speaker 20 (01:50:16):
Chew, well, you know, it's absolutely amazing, and I think
I think it's an insult to the animal kingdom if
we think that they are lesser than us. I mean, yeah, sure,
they talk a different language that we don't understand, and
you know they've got abilities like the dolphins and what
have you that that just beyond our comprehension. Yeah, but

(01:50:37):
I mean, yeah, so it's so intriguing, and if you're
someone like David Edinburgh, I can't understand why he's just
like the god of nature and it's so intrigued by it.
As a scientist, absolutely amazing. But if I'm thinking that, okay,
take for example, if you've got a lawnmowing guy and
his mode lawns pushing a petrol exhaust fume lawnmower for

(01:51:00):
ten years and his blood's full of petrochemicals, some start
comes up and has a nip and then takes off. Well,
of course, I mean the sharks are selective. They're not
going to like that blood, are they.

Speaker 3 (01:51:12):
Yeah, yeah, fair point. But you're right on you know
how we measure intelligence, and you can't compare them to
the likes of the orca, or the dolphin, or indeed ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
Well, there's some things that we do better than them,
and there's some things that they do better than us.
You've got to say that the sharks have skills we don't.
I'm intrigued. I've never found out why it is that
how it is that sharks can can sense blood from
over you know, five hundred meters away, But I'll look
into it. Interesting when you bring up Sir David Edinburgh,
so he turns one hundred next May far out.

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
What are good innings? Yeah, yeah, it is eight minutes
to four back in the mow.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between.

Speaker 5 (01:51:52):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
That'd be it is five minutes to four. Hey, So
the sharks can smell blood, but the molecule of the
blood has to get to them, So it has to
get to them in the in the in the sea
flow right, Ah, right, But they can sense one part
per ten billion. That's incredible, so not much of it
has to get to them anyway. Thanks so much for listening. Everyone,
love the chat today. It's been a great old time.

(01:52:18):
The Great and Powerful heatherdopsy Ellen is up next. But
right now, Tyler, my good buddy, tell me why am
I playing the song by Europe? Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
The final countdown? Because we had a great chat. I'm
assuming we had a great chat about what is the
ultimate threat to humanity and for some people might feel
like a bit of a countdown or we'll be final,
let's be sure.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
Yeah, so you can listen to that chat on our
podcast will be out very soon. What a show we had,
American Customs, Hysteria, Existential Risks of Humanity and Charks. How good?
Pretty good? Anyway, you seem busy, so we'll let you
go until tomorrow afternoon. Give them a taste of Kiwi
from Tyler and I

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
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